tech-chat-2

[hoary hatch]

Unless they have a bunch of super defective dies, cutting down GB202s is so wasteful with how expensive large dies are getting

[pallid marsh]

I really thought the 5080 would be a $1000 4090

[indigo walrus]

Yep. Same story in CAD pricing. I'm happy I bought back in November just before prices started to skyrocket.

[frank zealot]

one 5070 is 580
the rest are 630+

[merry stirrup]

im happy my 5070ti was 700 cause mac is my goat

[fallow crown]

Is the performance difference from a 2080 to a RX 9060 XT big?

[merry stirrup]

yeah

1440p anyways yeah id say its night and day

[frank zealot]

nani, the fuck?

[merry stirrup]

lol

[fallow crown]

Even worse here

[frank zealot]

Even at MC, 5070 TI's start at 1K USD

[hoary hatch]

If GB203 was like 450mm2 they could have made a much more compelling 5080

[frank zealot]

and I'm sorry:

5070 TI at 1000 USD vs
5080 at 1270 USD?

jesus christ, wtf

[pallid marsh]

I hardly know anyone that bought a 5080

[cosmic gazelle]

encountered my first hard wall

[civic reef]

Isn't 1000 the 5080's MSRP

[frank zealot]

yes

[cosmic gazelle]

memory will straight up fail to boot at tcl 9 lol

[frank zealot]

jesus, my 7900 XT is now going for 600-800 on ebay. 0.o

[fallow crown]

$1700 here btw..

[civic reef]

Is that a good price?

[pallid marsh]

What fools are buying fsr 3.1 cards for $600

[civic reef]

1375 here

[frank zealot]

700-750 was new pricing back when the 7900 xt was "Current" for quite a while

[civic reef]

Yeah that's not a good price then

I'd say 500 is probably the highest it should be

[frank zealot]

I paid 825 for mine, as a "premium" model.

so I could literally sell it for nearly what I paid, 3 years after I bought it.

Purchased March 22 2023

[topaz veldt]

I want a 5070 Ti

[merry stirrup]

get one

[frank zealot]

I wouldn't pay 30%+ over MSRP for one

... why would you buy anything other than the 700$ 9850 bundle?

[pallid marsh]

I'm getting that $599 7800x3d bundle wait nvm only $100 savings

[frank zealot]

x870 board instead of B650.... same ram, and only 20 bucks more than a 9800?

[frank zealot]

there's an argument to be made there, but still a B650 instead of x870.
I'd probably do the 700

[pallid marsh]

I thought it was $200 difference I can maths

$100 is a small price to pay

[frank zealot]

this ain't bad tho. (The only intel bundle they have lol)

[merry stirrup]

not bad at all actually

great even, means the ram was only 100$

329 cpu 100$ board 100$ ram

[cosmic gazelle]

ayo floppa every setting i’ve tried on primaries is either stable for hours or errors in 60 seconds or less… is that normal or is it probably because of the dual rank mismatched dimms

[merry stirrup]

some ic's behave that way

[cosmic gazelle]

it makes it easier tbh

[merry stirrup]

primaries arent important and you should probably do them last in the future

[low sorrel]

low key

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah i was gonna say, they’re already done lol

[frank zealot]

yup, the intel bundle is arguably worth buying.
The 9850 X870 is also well worth buying.

[cosmic gazelle]

10-11-10-23 was the limit

anything below that on any value errors

[merry stirrup]

how long r u testing?

[cosmic gazelle]

did 9 hours last night just to double check before i start secondaries

[low sorrel]

9800 bundle is probably gonna have it's price drop eventually right?

[merry stirrup]

multiple things? you should be doing yc like vt3 along with ur typical ram test

[topaz veldt]

I have a spare 9800X3D for sale

[frank zealot]

not bad? but going to 32gb will push it to 500 or more....

So if you're chill with sticking to 16? Maybe worth it

[cosmic gazelle]

i can try but y cruncher spikes my cpu temps to a scary amount

[merry stirrup]

for someone who only expects to game on their computer thats still the best deal for gaming

[merry stirrup]

whats a scary amount

[cosmic gazelle]

one core hits like 92-94 on 1.28v

[merry stirrup]

thats whatever

look into an 11$ delidding tool tho

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah

[merry stirrup]

as long as it doesnt throttle its fine and even if it does its probably no that deep

[low sorrel]

holy shit a single 16gb stick is 200 bucks???

[frank zealot]

it is really solid

[frank zealot]

MC has them starting at 140-150

[cosmic gazelle]

hwinfo64 reported no throttling on 1b benchmark so there’s that at least

[merry stirrup]

whats the cooling?

[cosmic gazelle]

i haven’t even touched cpu multiplier yet tho

pa120 open air

[merry stirrup]

are you doing manual volts then? or nah

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah

[merry stirrup]

why manual volts on auto ratio

[cosmic gazelle]

motherboard autos 1.31 during avx

[merry stirrup]

lol so you cant even cool stock

yeah a delid gonna be required

[cosmic gazelle]

no 1.31 is nowhere near stock on a 4790k this motherboard just overvolts

[merry stirrup]

but also. the motherboard kinda has nothing to do with it

[cosmic gazelle]

it 100% does

old motherboard ran 1.19 at same boost

[merry stirrup]

haswell is sick, and the cpu does the voltage controlling

the motherboard gives it an input voltage then the cpu delivers it to the cores

called FIVR

[cosmic gazelle]

i’m aware

[shell void]

yeah that could be the problem, i just switched to the aorus master silent vbios to test, and im getting ~2720MHz instead of ~2760MHz, probably because the fans are spinning slower than the matrix 800w vbios

[cosmic gazelle]

what’s possible is that the h87 was only doing the stock 4.2 on all core at 1.19 and the z97 does a default boost override to 4.4 and auto voltage regulation doesn’t know what to do so it just chucks a shitload of voltage at it

[topaz veldt]

oh you were on undervolted 800w

[merry stirrup]

is there a multicore enhancement setting or something then?

[fringe vigil]

hi

[cosmic gazelle]

but 1.3v is like a normal overclock voltage for the 4790k and i can cool 1.3v barely

[merry stirrup]

something like that probably wotn be named the same

[topaz veldt]

i haven't messed with the bios on this 2nd 5090 TUF OC

[cosmic gazelle]

think so yeah

[merry stirrup]

ok disable that cause thats an oc then lol

effectively anyways

[cosmic gazelle]

it’s been stable and i’m not throttling yet so i’ll deal with that later

[merry stirrup]

fair enough id drop voltage more later if you can, barely able to cool 1b is hardly not throttling

[shell void]

yeah i’ve been daily driving the matrix vbios for all of my various profiles since it leaked

[low sorrel]

man i need more storage space how much is a 1tb ssd these days anyways:

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah, on haswell from what i’ve gathered tho increasing frequency at the same llc and core voltage doesn’t really change temps much

so i’ll see what i can get before doing delid

[civic reef]

Oookay talking to a guy on the Whats of Apps
Apparently he has a system with an R7 2700

Tomorrow we can see what it is

[low sorrel]

low key do i pickthis up?

[pure garnet]

imo just crack the lid now, the stock tim is over a decade old and cooked

[civic reef]

T710 is apparently Crucial
Is it Crucial or the Fanxiang company on the Heatsink

[shell void]

the silent vbios is actually doing its job of keeping the fan speed lower 🔥

[low sorrel]

what

[shell void]

looks like if i stay under 300W then itll keep the fans at the lowest 30% / 1000rpm value

[pallid marsh]

Buy gpu you dumb blunt

[low sorrel]

but if i can't store games

[civic reef]

Listing says "T710 2TB"

[low sorrel]

how will i plat it

[civic reef]

I am inclined to believe it's not a Crucial T710, but I still have hopes that it IS said drive

[pure garnet]

jerry continuously torturing himself with a 3060 at 4k for the bit

[cosmic gazelle]

you think it’d be worth it to just replace it with more thermal paste? i don’t really want to spend the money for lm and nail polish

[low sorrel]

amazon listing in the facebook listing is of a fanxiang

[pure garnet]

i saw a good drop on my 6700k

[pallid marsh]

It's driving me insane and I'm not the one playing at 30fps

[pure garnet]

i don’t own it anymore to have data to hand you but i wasn’t even running prime 95 on the stock tim without throttling

[cosmic gazelle]

even spread with a credit card or just gloop it and let the ihs spread it out

[pure garnet]

i just glooped it

[cosmic gazelle]

ok i can do that

[low sorrel]

hey im playing at 60

[pure garnet]

if i did it again id probably thermal right helios that thing

[low sorrel]

with dlss performance

[pure garnet]

because it’s basically ptm for $10

[civic reef]

Again, I did note that I saw the Fanxiang branding, but was trying to be hopeful that it's just the Heatsink brand

[pallid marsh]

$4* for v1

[low sorrel]

to be fair i do not care if it's fanxiang or cruial, it's a 2tb ssd for like 100 usd which

feels wrong to say that it's a good deal

[cosmic gazelle]

eh i already have a big ass tube of mx6 and i doubt it’s that big of a difference

[civic reef]

Torture methods banned by the Geneva Conventions

Please tell me it's ATLEAST the 12gb

[civic reef]

I'd honestly not risk it

Unless he agrees to let you test it with hwinfo first for the controller

[pure garnet]

yeah works enough for a temp fix either way

[civic reef]

If it's atleast PCIe 3.0x4 TLC, then good deal

[pure garnet]

nt-h2 is what i slapped in there

[low sorrel]

seems to be this https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/fanxiang-s880-2-tb.d1587

i think

[cosmic gazelle]

i’ve heard on 4790k you don’t even need a hair dryer and you can just delid it cold

but i would have to verify that first lol

[pallid marsh]

2c is huuuuge that's what the lady's tell me

[civic reef]

Different inscriptions on the Heatsink, I don't think it is

[topaz veldt]

Sushi night gents

[cosmic gazelle]

@pure garnet before and after results, pretty legit tbh

(i have no idea im just happy it went down)

[pure garnet]

not bad

[cosmic gazelle]

that’s just frequency and primaries

[pure garnet]

i had to use cold weather for my 7800x3d subs

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/y-cruncher_-_pi-1b/submissions/5949998

[civic reef]

Yeah not a match I think
Resistor layout is different from the TPU image on the left

[cosmic gazelle]

is the time i should reference the computational time or the total time elapsed

[civic reef]

Okay wow discord stretched it in a hilarious way

[low sorrel]

oh wait tpu is s880 then listing is s880e

[civic reef]

Smh
!!!!!!

[pure garnet]

total compute

that’s what submits anyway

you should install bench mate even if you don’t submit anything to hwbot

just make sure if you wanna submit to hwbot you read their rules because you have to pull up cpu z tabs for verification

[cosmic gazelle]

the online ranking says i have equivalent time to a 6700k with 3200 ddr4 so thats kinda cool

[pure garnet]

you can probably cut like 10s off that run with optimized settings

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/y-cruncher_-_pi-1b/submissions/5450804

[civic reef]

@low sorrel
Heatsink matches the Fanxiang S660

I reverse image searched it

[pure garnet]

obviously this guy is on ln2 but you can copy his ycruncher settings

[cosmic gazelle]

5.6ghz is wild

[civic reef]

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/fanxiang-s660-2-tb.d1989

[low sorrel]

ope

[low sorrel]

still decent value

[topaz veldt]

I want to consolidate to one pc for me

[wise bear]

FINALLY

HE SAYS IT

[civic reef]

https://ssd-tester.com/fanxiang_s660_2tb.html

[merry stirrup]

i like my dual pc setup

[low sorrel]

HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN LURKING

[merry stirrup]

streaming pc is quite nice

[cosmic gazelle]

just buy an epyc 9965 since we know that’s the plan anyways

[wise bear]

idk 5 minutes

[topaz veldt]

this is stupid

[civic reef]

I'd say buy it tbh

[plucky finch]

hiii lovely tc2 gamers

[wise bear]

omg hi momo ✨

[plucky finch]

hows everyones evenings tonight!!

[pallid marsh]

Sup neeerrd

[turbid locust]

ITX is clean tho

[vestal granite]

my evening tonight is good today

[edgy laurel]

damn, if only someone had told you that beforehand

[low sorrel]

god damn everyone was lurking

[plucky finch]

i just sat down

[wise bear]

I just had a lovely shower & washed my hairrrr, and I'm currently waiting for my groceries to get delivered :D

[plucky finch]

i was grabbing parts for my senior design project

[low sorrel]

@wise bear do i buy this

[pallid marsh]

With enough hot water?

[vestal granite]

cold water to rinse conditioner out, lifehack

[fringe vigil]

Idk

[low sorrel]

it would be a cold day in hell before i shower in cold water

[wise bear]

it was a hair washing day, I was already limited in my hot water usage

[vestal granite]

no you dont shower in cold water you just rinse your hair with cold water

[wise bear]

yea

[vestal granite]

closes the hair follicles up to retain moisture and prevent frizzing and whatnot

[wise bear]

idk is it compatible w/ the ps5?

[vestal granite]

at least thats what the old lady hair stylist at JCPenny told me when I was 12

[plucky finch]

bro who cares about water temp. lifes too short to worry about stuff like that

[wise bear]

my HAIR

[vestal granite]

hair cares

[low sorrel]

I think so

[edgy laurel]

no one does this

[plucky finch]

me with north african descent hair

xD

[wise bear]

I am a very white girl.

[fringe vigil]

You African?

[low sorrel]

no @vestal granite does

[vestal granite]

you do not brush your hair you comb your hair

[plucky finch]

u can be white and african

[low sorrel]

we know

[wise bear]

If I go out in the sun I reflect enough sunlight that people think Gondor is calling for aid

[fringe vigil]

Are you white or black

[plucky finch]

nope!

none of your buisness

:)

[vestal granite]

well you pretend you brush your hair because using a comb doesnt have the handle on it and brushes feel more sturdy to use but youre functionally just combing your hair you would get the same result

[edgy laurel]

jorj's lack of a filter at it again

[low sorrel]

if you layed down on a snowy sidewalk you would cause a pile up

[wise bear]

noo I'm a little to beet-red to blend into snow

[vestal granite]

im sicilian so im basically african if you consider how many times sicily has been invaded by every country

[wise bear]

silence, simpleton

[fringe vigil]

Bro

You’re not african

[wise bear]

its called a joke, airhead

[plucky finch]

ngl u kinda ruining the vibes

[wise bear]

HE ALWAYS DOES

[vestal granite]

thats jorj he be jorjin it up

[wise bear]

jorj is a total tool

[low sorrel]

first time walking to jorj

[plucky finch]

unfortunately not

[wise bear]

idk man I'm on sl with a chicken strip basket

im vibin pretty hard

[pure garnet]

i have been at work for 2 hours and done maybe 3 minutes of actual work

[wise bear]

nice

go take a celebratory poop

[vestal granite]

and yet you still havent done your clash of clans clan war attacks kyoko

[low sorrel]

?

[pure garnet]

dude the only people in my clan are my alts because i get bored and speed run a new village

[vestal granite]

that wasnt nearly funny enough to warrant an edit

[wise bear]

no see everything in that image is actually useful

Unlike jorj.

[low sorrel]

idk im bored and photoshop was already open

[vestal granite]

i stopped playing clash of clans when i made it to 5000 trophies and got my closure

[pure garnet]

my main base is cooked so i kinda just gave up

my peak is like 1500 because i can’t win defenses

[vestal granite]

i cant win defenses either

[pure garnet]

i also didn’t really upgrade my troops so i’m just cooked

[vestal granite]

mine werent even max lvl for town hall 10

[low sorrel]

hypotheically

if i bought a numpad

[vestal granite]

i was town hall 10 in 5000 trophies when max lvl was th16 or 17 or something so every battle was +10/-40 and every defense -50

[low sorrel]

and then shoved magnets into the keyboard and the numpad case

[pure garnet]

i don’t think mine are maxed for th9 and i’m like th13

[low sorrel]

could i just make an magnetically attachable numpad

[pure garnet]

i just upgraded the town hall and ignored the rest of the game

[vestal granite]

yes if you add magnets to stuff it becomes magnetically attachable this is true

good instinct

[low sorrel]

thank you

[vestal granite]

question: if i have, for example, a table with rows like
name,current_price,etc
what is the best way to go about storing a series of historical pricing information so that people can parse it as a csv reasonably easily? im thinking somethin like 30d_price and then its just 30 data points like 1,2,3,4,... is that something that people would be able to intuitively understand

it'd not technically be a csv it would be a tsv (so i can use commas to separate)

[edgy laurel]

fuck if i know

thats the kinda thing I'd throw at an llm

[vestal granite]

thanks google love that

price_history_daily_starting_2023_09_01_in_united_states_dollars

it makes a good point you know

[fervent chasm]

pretty sure google search throws the fastest possible result with a relatively small model, not a smart one

[gentle loom]

what’s a really quiet 850w PSU ? I am going to get a better psu in a few months as this one is so loud

oh and really good like gold rating or platinum

[vestal granite]

get any high tier one from psu cultists tier list and itll be quiet

[gentle loom]

link

corsair’s power supplies are shit never buying them again

[edgy laurel]

thats going in the vault

[gentle loom]

my pc is super quiet all I can hear is the psu fan

[vestal granite]

lol

make sure you read any disclaimers on each individual listing, they specify things that are important

[south shuttle]

which corsair psu do you have

[vestal granite]

fellas what are those called are they footnotes i feel like theyre called footnotes

[edgy laurel]

old info, not updated in years

[vestal granite]

gg

[edgy laurel]

this is the new new https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/2/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?pli=1#gid=1973454078

[pallid marsh]

We don't allow the spreading of lies here

[vestal granite]

is that the router ero one

[edgy laurel]

i think so

or he at least contributed

[vestal granite]

i just like when the name router ero is on the tier list it makes it better because he has spiderman pfp

[south shuttle]

he has a corsair rme

[vestal granite]

damn someone should tell him that corsair power supplies are shit

[edgy laurel]

oh yeah

[south shuttle]

which are indeed loud

[south shuttle]

rme fan is pretty shitty

it's a hong hua ha1225h12f-z

which has horrendous qc issues when it comes to noise

i have many of them

[vestal granite]

i replaced my psu's shitty fan with an arctic p12 and everyone was like noooo you cant do that because because its unsafe and itll overheat

[south shuttle]

i decided to snap one's blade like a cracker

[gentle loom]

this garbage one

[south shuttle]

the plastic is not really strong on the fan either

[south shuttle]

same lol

[gentle loom]

you can do that?? alright imma do that got spare arctic fans

[south shuttle]

someone told me that i won't do better than the engineers

[gentle loom]

I’ve stripped apart 5 power supplies before so I got experience 😂😂

[south shuttle]

despite the replaced fan in the psu pushing more air

at less noise

[vestal granite]

i wont recommend it because it is unhealthy and potentially dangerous to open power supplies

[south shuttle]

you gotta wear insulation

[gentle loom]

I got 4 arctic fans laying around

[south shuttle]

and make sure to not touch anything that could zap you at 6 elixir

[vestal granite]

this is how i did mine, the fan doesnt technically fit because the psu fan is a 135mm

[gentle loom]

I am aware you can short the capacitors with a screw driver correct?

[south shuttle]

wym

[vestal granite]

yeah if you want to be sacrificed to zeus the god of thunder

[pallid marsh]

Yeah but you can also die opening a psu

[gentle loom]

someone said you can do that

[south shuttle]

that was a joke clearly

[gentle loom]

I’ve opened many psus even a random cheap shit one lol

[edgy laurel]

I mean this with the utmost respect. You should NOT be opening your PSU.

[vestal granite]

dont do that, dont short anything if you dont know exactly what youre doing

[south shuttle]

if you bridge caps like that you could damage something

[gentle loom]

I opened a 750w arctic psu before on a old pc to clean it lols and a 600w evga one bronze one and a xbox one original psu

[pallid marsh]

Only ceos and politicians should open psus

[south shuttle]

you need to use resistors ideally

[gentle loom]

https://tenor.com/view/epstein-epstein-files-epstein-island-jeffrey-epstein-trump-epstein-gif-147873707617354730

[vestal granite]

i drive my car without a seatbelt all the time and i havent died yet

[edgy laurel]

From the RM750e review, done by probably the best PSU reviewer out there right now.

If you want my expert opinion, Corsair’s RMx line is among the best in today’s market, so if you want a PSU for the next 5-10 years, I suggest you don’t think of the extra cost and get an RMx ATX v3.1 PSU since besides increased performance you will also get low noise output and increased reliability.

[cosmic gazelle]

you people are opening your psus? holy shit

[south shuttle]

xigmatek?

[cosmic gazelle]

hehe sounds like sigma tech

[south shuttle]

holeee shite there is a 230v power cord next to you it's going to kill you

[gentle loom]

why was this shit psu recommended? it sounds horrible

[vestal granite]

thing is, when i opened mine to install the fan, im not touching anything except the top fan grate

[gentle loom]

it clicks when turned on and off it makes a whirry sound it sounds horrible

[edgy laurel]

he mentions RMx, not RMe.

[south shuttle]

take all safety precautions

[edgy laurel]

Based on reviews and others that have that unit, yours just sound defective.

Or you have something hitting the fan

[south shuttle]

but no electricity shall kill you if you wear insulation :)

[gentle loom]

I did that when opening mine I gently cleaning away from the capacitors and the fan etc and blew the dust out with a pump then put it back together

I don’t touch any capacitors lol

I used a toothbrush to clean

[vestal granite]

i dont clean my PSU thats what filters are for

[gentle loom]

it so prettyyyyyyyyyyyy

[south shuttle]

don't be like capacitors are more dangerous than 230v outlet

[gentle loom]

I bought a second hand pc before and the psu was filled to the brim with dust so I gave it a quick cleaning 2 years ago

[vestal granite]

what about 120v outlet

[south shuttle]

first of all most of them bleed right after being unpowered

but ofc that mechanism can fail

[gentle loom]

I hold power button when my pc is unplugged for 5 seconds to make sure most of power is drained.

[vestal granite]

you know what mechanism can fail? your heart, when a capacitor the size of your heart discharges into your body

[cosmic gazelle]

meanwhile i’ve been running a cx750 at like 85% capacity for 4 years and she’s doin just fine

[edgy laurel]

me, eons ago, deciding to individually sleeve each wire in a non-modular PSU

[vestal granite]

did you survive

[edgy laurel]

i dunno

[cosmic gazelle]

have you been assessed by any chance

[merry stirrup]

i dont think so

[south shuttle]

i'd much rather touch any psu capacitor that has been unplugged ofc from 120/230v than touch 120v

[vestal granite]

id much rather touch neither

[south shuttle]

same

[edgy laurel]

the result

[south shuttle]

just wear insulation if you disassemble a psu

[gentle loom]

what is that fan

[merry stirrup]

its peak

[gentle loom]

I had that fan similar fan on my old old pc

[shell void]

that's the most vibrant fan ive ever seen

[vestal granite]

looks good, how long did you have that PSU after resleeving it

[edgy laurel]

garbage 2010 spec blue only crap

[south shuttle]

ideally discharge the psu as well

[gentle loom]

on my i7-4790k pc with a rx 580

[vestal granite]

it looks like i can press E on it to collect it

[edgy laurel]

probably like a year lmao

[vestal granite]

thats why i asked

[south shuttle]

and absolutely make sure the gloves you wear are indeed insulation and not conductive

[edgy laurel]

your fingertips never recover from all the de-pinning

[south shuttle]

most plastics will do

[edgy laurel]

but I had an MDPC tool which I wish I still had for the nostalgia

[south shuttle]

i'd never recommend anyone to disassemble a psu without insulation

[cosmic gazelle]

hey would you look at that

that’s exactly what i’m working on now lmao

[vestal granite]

when i replaced my psu fan it was on the floor in my underwear at 2AM because the fan started squeaking in the night and it scared the shit out of me

[edgy laurel]

og blue led, clear plastic fans were all the rage

[vestal granite]

cool msi armor rx 580

[merry stirrup]

not cool

[cosmic gazelle]

it’s a piece of shit tbh

but i paid $45 for it

[merry stirrup]

worst rx 580 model that isnt a blower by like a lot

[cosmic gazelle]

it hits 73c at 1.1v so honestly not that bad

[merry stirrup]

my test bed

[merry stirrup]

open air + not bent currently

[vestal granite]

i had an msi armor rx 480 for a while

[edgy laurel]

test bed / ...?

[cosmic gazelle]

to be fair i don’t ever plan on casing this system so it’s fine

[merry stirrup]

/ oc rig / streaming pc

[edgy laurel]

ok @cosmic gazelle i keep meaning to ask.. is that notch?

[vestal granite]

you mean creator of terraria?

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah i have no allegiance to him it’s just been 10 years since i made it my pfp and i can’t bear looking at anything else

[edgy laurel]

on point with the ragebait, well done

[cosmic gazelle]

how do i get zentimings type readout on intel btw

[vestal granite]

that reminds me, i have chorizo tacos to cook so im gonna go cook chorizo tacos to cook

[merry stirrup]

pyhwinfo which does not support your cpu

[cosmic gazelle]

lit

[merry stirrup]

so find an asrock timing config version that supports z97

youll have to check forum posts and allat

[cosmic gazelle]

asrock?

[merry stirrup]

yes just do it it works

not motherboard dependant you just have to find the right ver for your platform

[cosmic gazelle]

okay

[merry stirrup]

usually shortened online to like "asrtc"

[edgy laurel]

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77 OC Formula/index.us.asp#Download

[cosmic gazelle]

that’s ivy bridge

[merry stirrup]

nee d for z97 prolly diff

[edgy laurel]

if you go to the downloads on an old board, there will be links

the RAM software is different?

[merry stirrup]

the version matters a lot

[edgy laurel]

2012 spec

[pallid marsh]

That office chair is giving me swamp ass just looking at it

[edgy laurel]

this is why i'm saying look up an old board and go to the downloads

[merry stirrup]

its fine

[edgy laurel]

ez pz

[merry stirrup]

yeah but a z77 board prolly wont work

[cosmic gazelle]

awesome

[south shuttle]

and make sure it's not thin forgot to mention

[merry stirrup]

disable core isolation and memory integrity

[cosmic gazelle]

was already off i just had the driver blocklist on

[pallid marsh]

You need to go to Reddit to get new EVGA z790 Bios updates lmao

[merry stirrup]

oh weird mine works with it on but old ver

[south shuttle]

@gentle loom

considering what you told us so far i recommend taking precautions

[pallid marsh]

But it's itchy

[south shuttle]

bridging capacitors with a screwdriver? even if you mean it going into the gnd it can still damage the caps

[cosmic gazelle]

well something’s going wrong because apparently my tWTR_L is 429496729

i think the driver still hasn’t loaded properly lmao

[merry stirrup]

nah

tWTR isnt a real register and therefore can be negative

if you have your tWTR set low enough or if the value is weird enough itll spaz out

try a different version but if that doesnt fix it its whatever

[cosmic gazelle]

well every single other timing is also reporting wrong

so there’s that

[merry stirrup]

okay yeah then different version lol

[south shuttle]

hey... then wear layers of thin gloves... just make sure math doesn't play agaisnt you which could send you into the hospital

[vestal granite]

oh I was thinking of ConcernedApe

[south shuttle]

you also don't want plastic melting and sticking onto your fingers

when working w high voltage

but i guarantee you that won't happen with a psu 😂 you'd be long dead before that (and it just won't happen with that voltage and duration)

[karmic folio]

https://tenor.com/view/calentando-calorcito-pink-panter-pantera-rosa-gif-8762409839427069667

[south shuttle]

anyways things that keep you alive when you touch a capacitor: the caps bleed out normally (unless it fails which it can or the psu has no bleed built in), insulation, dry skin and if all of this fails (don't rely on dry skin lol) you roll a dice if le powah goes through your heart or not, duration matters.

[gentle loom]

I already took apart 5 psus and I’m still here lols but yeah would a 120mm arctic p12 fit inside my psu?

[south shuttle]

inside the rme yes the p12 would fit but you need an adapter

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/50-cent-whathesaidfuckmefor-fuck50-gif-25306610

[cosmic gazelle]

@merry stirrup looks like 1. you’re correct that it’s basically the only option on my setup and 2. i may need to do some digging to find a version that works because shi ain’t workin

[gentle loom]

oh great another adapter lol

this psu fan noise is driving me nuts

idk if you can hear it

[south shuttle]

well unless you want to solder

[merry stirrup]

find 4.0.14

[edgy laurel]

can't hear anything

[south shuttle]

you have to definitely discharge the psu for that

[south shuttle]

it's really annoying irl

[edgy laurel]

huh?

[south shuttle]

you can hear the noise very audibly across a whole 4 meter room

[gentle loom]

listen to this stupid thing

[vestal granite]

sounds like your fan is making noises

[edgy laurel]

if you can hear that under idle conditions, return the PSU

[south shuttle]

i have many of the fans inside his psu

[gentle loom]

i’m idle right now

[edgy laurel]

#tech-chat-2 message

[gentle loom]

only thing open is a browser

[south shuttle]

it's a feature of budget B-A tier psus

the fans are just cheap

[gentle loom]

can I get a psu that’s dead silent and is very good? like list one right now that is exactly that

I don’t mind if it’s over 750 watts

i’ll drop €300 if it means a silent psu.

[edgy laurel]

does that exist? of course it does. they also have hybrid modes where the fan doesn't spin unless certain load conditons are met

[gentle loom]

how to enable that for now

[edgy laurel]

my fan is annoying as hell (ball bearing) but I never hear itbecause I have the hybrid mode on

your PSU doesn't have a switch for it

[gentle loom]

it’s driving me nuts my whole pc is silent and all I hear is that annoying ahh sound

[edgy laurel]

so its just on all the time

[turbid locust]

i never hear my RM1000e

[edgy laurel]

their psu sounds defective

[south shuttle]

normal as well

about third of my ha1225h12f-z's are mostly inaudible

third arrived with rattly bearings

[gentle loom]

list 1 psu that is exactly what I asked 750+ or more watts doesn’t matter atp and is dead silent and very good?

[edgy laurel]

nothing about that is normal

[south shuttle]

and third began to rattle or create additional noises after 6 months of use

[turbid locust]

My 1300W Gigabyte bench PSU is rattly asf but otherwise fine

[cosmic gazelle]

@merry stirrup 2.0.8 works it looks like

except for frequency

[merry stirrup]

seems legit

[south shuttle]

well, you're actually bit lucky if you get a good ha1225h12f-z

[turbid locust]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-atx-3-1-compatible-1000-w-cybenetics-gold-power-supply-black-rm1000e/p/N82E16817139337 mine is silent 🤷‍♂️

[edgy laurel]

i don't know what that is and probably no one else here does either

[merry stirrup]

the fan in ur psu

[shell void]

jensen didnt sign it? that's truly a sign that we're in dark times

[south shuttle]

a fan inside a lot of psus

[cosmic gazelle]

is it normal for those 2nd row timings to all say 0

[merry stirrup]

those are RTL's you basically wont ever be changing them

but yeah, normal

[cosmic gazelle]

okay thanks

[gentle loom]

fuck corsair

shitty ram doesn’t go to 3200mhz only 2800mhz and my shitty psu making shitty noises

[edgy laurel]

thats not how that works

[turbid locust]

https://www.newegg.com/be-quiet-temperature-controlled-quality-fan-1000-w-80-plus-gold-certified-power-supply-black-bp028eu/p/N82E16817222042 this is probably quiet lol

[turbid locust]

if you limited yourself to only brands nobody has ever had issues with you'd not be able to buy anything

[south shuttle]

not the top end fan but 100% better than ha1225h12f-z

[edgy laurel]

do you keep typing that out

[south shuttle]

yes

[edgy laurel]

i'm not surprised

[merry stirrup]

i can type out like entire timing charts from memory

[topaz veldt]

funny story - I moved my family room PC to clean it / dust it, put it back, and the fans were spinning like mad. I spent like 15 mins updating fancontrol, booting BIOS, etc. Turns out it was the knob on the back of RM1000x getting bumped to like 80% for the override of the PSU fan 😐

[south shuttle]

core reactors from xpg adata, some seasonic psus, rme, coolermaster mwe have the hong hua

[edgy laurel]

also, not surprised

[south shuttle]

and many more

cooler master mwe has actually the even worse version

not a fdb ha1225h12f-z but a rifle bearing

it's unsurprisingly even louder and more rattly

[topaz veldt]

There's not going to be any new hardware for like over a year 🙁

[south shuttle]

i had one and it was the loudest modern psu i've had

[edgy laurel]

doh

[topaz veldt]

threw me for a loop I forgot about that stupid knob

[pallid marsh]

Good excuse to buy rtx 6000 Blackwell

[topaz veldt]

I was actually considering it this AM but the prices went up

[edgy laurel]

lightning round, answer quickly. whats in my SF750 Platinum and SF Leadex platinum se 1000w

[merry stirrup]

your leadex is a ball bearing thing and its loud and annoying

[topaz veldt]

ball hair

[south shuttle]

i gotta google that

[edgy laurel]

i found the eco mode switch on day 1, now i never hear it

[merry stirrup]

yah same

same fan is in my G2, also loud and annoying

[edgy laurel]

i don't doubt it, somehow

[merry stirrup]

1300W g2 and 1200W leadex based on the same platform

[south shuttle]

@edgy laurel old platinum sf750 or new?

[edgy laurel]

2020 spec

[shell void]

we all genuinely should just buy AX1600i while theyre still easy to find for cheap because future gen parts are getting silly

[topaz veldt]

Yes we should all buy Dark Power Pro 1500s

[turbid locust]

am i stupid why does my NAS not show capacity

[topaz veldt]

because its not a mapped drive

[edgy laurel]

not a mounted drive

[shell void]

is that one that you were having issues running the 800w matrix bios with?

[turbid locust]

word

[merry stirrup]

map network drive not location

[topaz veldt]

Nah I just needed to flip a switch

[shell void]

oh good

[topaz veldt]

It supports single vs multi rail

[turbid locust]

swag

[merry stirrup]

same

[topaz veldt]

same

[turbid locust]

this guy uses class A ip's on LAN what a nerd

[merry stirrup]

the colllection is growing

[turbid locust]

reserve IPs in your DHCP range like a man

[merry stirrup]

reserve a dinner table w/a woman

[edgy laurel]

oh shit

[turbid locust]

Your mother already got the open table invitation

[merry stirrup]

coffins dont get out much

[turbid locust]

they do when im around

[edgy laurel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ohhh-whoah

[merry stirrup]

(my mom is alive and well)

[turbid locust]

for now

[merry stirrup]

now thats just menacing

[turbid locust]

thats what she said

[merry stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/tweak-gif-9306576739412501377

[turbid locust]

reinstalling CS2 since apparently X3D go brrr

[pallid marsh]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-nvidia-rtx-6000-ada-generation-48-gb-gddr6-full-height-pcie-40x16-4-dp-graphics-card/apd/490-bjms/graphic-video-cards yeah $9k for a blower one

[topaz veldt]

they were $8999 for the FE style now $like $10k+

[turbid locust]

I still want a 5090 FE

I will trade my TUF for it

[edgy laurel]

for a hotter and louder model?

[turbid locust]

2 slot

[cosmic gazelle]

bh has one for $6300

[turbid locust]

fire

[cosmic gazelle]

used, what a steal 😉

[turbid locust]

thats only over 3x what i paid for my 5090

[craggy ice]

guys anyone hav a problem when starting The crew motorfest

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah a problem with ubisoft making shitty car games

sorry sore subject

[craggy ice]

i need help

no YT vid to help

[edgy laurel]

#1027757333117415424

[craggy ice]

even in hindi

iam that despreat

[pure garnet]

my pc explodes when i hit start

[pallid marsh]

That's why they have 5 PCs

[craggy ice]

i get ghost screen

sound but no image

[cosmic gazelle]

just use a fire extinguisher dumbass

[pallid marsh]

Talk to the devs or #1027757333117415424

[edgy laurel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tech-support-helpdesk

[pure garnet]

try giving the pc a covid test

it might’ve forgot the booster

[craggy ice]

i search but i cant find article

[cosmic gazelle]

lemme tell you, ubisoft and ea ports to pc literally suck so much and they don’t care to ever fix them

so it very much could just be a game problem

[pallid marsh]

Just add the games to steam

[craggy ice]

but my bro's works fine

[craggy ice]

i bought it from there

[pallid marsh]

Play on your bros PC ez fix

[craggy ice]

i not gay

[edgy laurel]

everyone is stunned and confused

[craggy ice]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hbo-the-sopranos-SHniZhVxkTDdm

[turbid locust]

hmmm Marathon's requirements are quiet modest

[craggy ice]

i need to play with bro

[pure garnet]

okay that sounds way more

[pallid marsh]

Bro is talking about balls after stating he is not gay

[craggy ice]

balls have nothing to do with that

[pure garnet]

balls and playing with his bro is fine but god forbid you launch the game on the homies pc

[edgy laurel]

gotta be some sort of language barrier issue going on here

[south shuttle]

so 2019? nr092l it's still decent and superflower one may be HA1425M12B-Z but only 20% confident

[cosmic gazelle]

ima launch it on the test bench and see if i can get 60fps since the requirements are so low

[craggy ice]

https://tenor.com/view/car-wash-boys-to-the-yard-shake-family-guy-the-simpsons-gif-5470492

[edgy laurel]

why do these responses not make any sense

[wheat void]

diddnt all, like, pre-ubisoft-ea live service era pc ports blow, like, it was a rarity if button hints had keyboard textures

[turbid locust]

I still think we need a standardization on what "minimum" and "recommended" mean

[craggy ice]

So you suggest i refund ??

[edgy laurel]

seems so

[turbid locust]

They did it right with Uncharted

[pallid marsh]

I always assume 1080p 30 fps is minimum

[south shuttle]

more recent revs of sf750 are nr092p

[wheat void]

I remember dead space 1 having just, gnarly acceleration, apparently under the hood it was translating mouse movement to joystick input

[edgy laurel]

it runs really well. zero complaints

[south shuttle]

but i believe you have the l version

[turbid locust]

which frankly it shouldnt be

imo minimum should be 1080p 60fps at minimum settings, and recommended should be like 1440p 120fps at High but not max settings

[turbid locust]

feel like that would give folks a better range and reference point

[turbid locust]

because this would straight up inform people that if they're below minimum they shouldnt even buy the game lol

and if you're somewhere in between, you can have a playable experience but might have to turn settings down

[pallid marsh]

Wait I just realized they have all 3 GPU companies amd Intel Nvidia

[south shuttle]

@edgy laurel correction the leadex plat se should be RL4ZB1402512EH, someone experienced told me

[cosmic gazelle]

a 5500xt is like way more powerful than a 1050 ti, tf

[edgy laurel]

seems right based on this extremely thorough teardown https://sicomp.vn/news-detail/review-super-flower-leadex-se-platinum-1000w/14

[turbid locust]

this is also a constant ongoing issue

[pallid marsh]

Rx 560 was 1050ti level right or was it the 570

[turbid locust]

I remember a game having the 6700XT and 2070 listed as equal lol

[cosmic gazelle]

570 ish

560 was worse for sure

[pure garnet]

with rt on aren’t they

[cosmic gazelle]

we’re forgetting that 20 series still sucked ass at ray tracing lol

[turbid locust]

@edgy laurel this is what I was talking about

[pure garnet]

i remember when i used to look a the min spec, go “my laptop is close enough” and then play the game at lowest 50% render scale

[cosmic gazelle]

i still do this at school

[edgy laurel]

Yeah I dunno. I do recall getting a popup about GSync but I didn't read it. Though, in the menu it showed it as On so

[pure garnet]

i just hit do not show again

[edgy laurel]

and the gaming menu on my C2 was showing the refresh rate varying

[turbid locust]

it says disabled for me

always has

[edgy laurel]

i guess the only proper thing to do in this situation is...

skill issue

[pure garnet]

mac bin software

[edgy laurel]

but then again, that game honestly felt better uncapped

[pure garnet]

source doesn't feel good below 300 imo

like it's playable but it feels heavy

[turbid locust]

ok yeah X3D did the thing lmao

[edgy laurel]

i'm ok with uncapped as long as there is no visible tearing and its not doing 1000fps causing coil whine and unnecessary power draw

[pure garnet]

real

[edgy laurel]

what settings?

screenshot that shit

[turbid locust]

defaulted to high I think lemme turn em down

[pure garnet]

you can also just do fps_max 600 if it was making coil whine

[edgy laurel]

oh it wasn't, and i'm just talking in general

[wheat void]

300+ watt gpu during a loading screen'

[turbid locust]

this game is using my entire 5090 which is quite funny

[pure garnet]

im basically playing on all low because the game looks about the same anyway

[wheat void]

600+....watt...shi

ay mac do that thing whine at 600

fps

[turbid locust]

but yeah gsync is perma disabled with no way to enable looks like

[turbid locust]

not even a little

[wheat void]

thats premium

[turbid locust]

yeah capped to 138fps just feels blatantly worse

[edgy laurel]

about all i can do with the same settings

[turbid locust]

whaaaaaat

[pure garnet]

it sounds like sacrilege but can you try those settings at 1080p

[turbid locust]

what map, im in a practice casual with bots on Dust 2

[edgy laurel]

i don't know the map but its deathmatch

[pure garnet]

i gotta try cs2 on my other pc sometime

[gaunt lava]

Replacing this HDD on this 2013 iMax is nightmare fuel

Thanks tim apple

[edgy laurel]

that convo about crouch shooting. EVERYONE is crouch shooting

[cosmic gazelle]

oh yeah i won’t even try on post-sandy bridge imacs

it’s not worth the effort

[pure garnet]

is the 7800x3d and 6700 xt an optimal combo

[cosmic gazelle]

well if you have an amd gpu you’re better off dead according to people in this server

[turbid locust]

Ok in CS it's actually a thing

Valorant is different

[gaunt lava]

It's sad, I got this one for free and it's still a good screen and decent hardware, it just needs a SSD.

[cosmic gazelle]

i mean it’s certainly doable it’s just a pain in the ass

[edgy laurel]

what map and bot settings did you join

[pure garnet]

[turbid locust]

just a practice casual on dust 2

[cosmic gazelle]

ah yes these sites work

[pure garnet]

yeah man it doesn't lie

[gaunt lava]

Massive PITA especially for someone like me who can't feel their hands, lol

[pure garnet]

first link off google is the word of truth

[cosmic gazelle]

you should try userbenchmark next

[gaunt lava]

I've heard they're incredibly unbiased

[edgy laurel]

ok this is 290 to 350ish

[pure garnet]

aint no way man

[turbid locust]

I still have a hard time believing there's that much of a difference

[pure garnet]

i can believe it

[cosmic gazelle]

lmao no way in hell

[edgy laurel]

stock everything with shit open in the background, slower GPU, slower CPU.. i can see it

[turbid locust]

ok but like it’s literally a 7800X3D and 4090

[turbid locust]

wow.

you know what fixed it? fullscreen exclusive

[pure garnet]

shit i guess it's true man, google said so

[reef lance]

Man when I'm AMD I'm so mixed whether I should get X3D or not. On one hand it's the best for gaming, on the other hand it is weaker in productivity. At this time I do game more than I do productivity tasks on the my PC, but it's a tradeoff.

[low sorrel]

Oh do you have gsync in windowed mode selected in nvcp?

[fringe vigil]

Chips do you like game of thrones

[gaunt lava]

Not horrible at all for a 13 year old system

[pure garnet]

9950x3d

[turbid locust]

Ok now 138fps feels like butter

[pure garnet]

i'll be dammed @cosmic gazelle

[reef lance]

That's what I might go with when I upgrade (not that specific one but the equivalent). I'm probably not upgrading until they release AM6. I'm waiting until next gen for GPUs which won't come out until 2028 at the latest with how Nvidia is talking and AMD said official support for AM5 will be until at least 2027 (knowing them, longer). So hopefully by the time I upgrade my GPU AM6 will be out. We'll see it's not that big of a deal either way, but I'm hoping it's how it plays out.

[low sorrel]

See, you don't need super high fps for CS to feel smooth

[turbid locust]

Yeah just vsync, gsync, and reflex to actually work properly

seems like CS2’s Gsync implementation just straight up doesn’t work unless you’re in fullscreen

[pure garnet]

playing in exclusive full screen sucks though

[reef lance]

The only way I'm switching to AMD before then is if my 13900K bites the dust and Intel has to give me a refund instead of a replacement, we'll see.

[edgy laurel]

wow, ok so I went and did the proper cap and vsync in NVapp, and reflex is on and it almost feels even better than uncapped

[pure garnet]

alt tab and war of the worlds happens to dwm

[reef lance]

I'd rather not waste the money, especially since the upgrade will be minimal and the fact that I already bought two motherboards for this CPU

[turbid locust]

that stuff is just my global settings

[low sorrel]

Idk borderless windowed works fine for me with gsync nvcp and reflex in CS

[pure garnet]

i’ve had my 7800x3d in 3 motherboards

[low sorrel]

Maybe CS just doesn't like your monitor

[pure garnet]

owned 4 am5 overall

[turbid locust]

It straight up doesn’t work for me at all unless I’m fullscreen exclusive

[edgy laurel]

i'm in fullscreen windowed

[turbid locust]

interesting

[turbid locust]

weird

[reef lance]

Damn. I wish I would have gone with it, but it's whatever now. Can't do anything about it now and at least my CPU is stable at Intel Default Settings with new microcode changes.

[gaunt lava]

God I forgot how awful these are

[cosmic gazelle]

i love how it’s both right and completely wrong about it being the fastest lmao

[fallow crown]

Does ryzen 5 5600x, and RX 9060-XT work good together? I'm not upgrading to AM5..

[low sorrel]

Also I'm confused on what high dynamic range is in CS

Because it doesn't seem like it has HDR

[edgy laurel]

yeah that wasn't clear

i had RTX HDR enabled anyway

[pure garnet]

yeah

[pure garnet]

the dataset is old i'd assume

[turbid locust]

ffs

[edgy laurel]

unplug the chronus

[turbid locust]

valve is so disconnected from reality i stg

[fallow crown]

Might sell my currentand buy one

But I like Nvidia though

[cosmic gazelle]

new gemini is supposed to be able to access the internet for queries

[gentle loom]

best gpu for a 750w psu?

preferably AMD

[cosmic gazelle]

ada 6000 blackwell and an i5 7500t

[gentle loom]

I currently have the rx 6750xt

looking to upgrade to a better card with 3 fans as my card is quite loud

[cosmic gazelle]

why upgrade the 6750 is fine

oh just switch cases to one with gpu fans

lancool 207 is good

[gentle loom]

what

I built a pc in a lan cool 216 case today

I found out my gpu was making all that noise not my psu..

this noise btw my gpu makes

idle

I’ve just put the fan on the gpu to 50% cuz I can’t cope with it anymore

[cosmic gazelle]

like i said if you have a case with fans pointing into your gpu your fans probably barely need to spin

[edgy laurel]

after all that

[cosmic gazelle]

compounding effect

[gentle loom]

yeah my bad I forgot my gpu made this noise it was in a small case shoved in a corner before barley heard it.

[edgy laurel]

what was it before?

[gentle loom]

it’s been like this since I bought it lol

[edgy laurel]

and why is it making noise atall at idle, it shouldn't even be spinning. what are you using to adjust it?

[gentle loom]

I might lubricant the fan bearing with mineral oil

[edgy laurel]

yeah thats just going to make a mess

[gentle loom]

not sure it does that idle I have zero rpm off

I’ll only do 2 tiny drops

[edgy laurel]

you can't lubricate a fan bearing, its sealed

[gentle loom]

you take the sticker off yes

[edgy laurel]

and using a light oil like that is just going to sling it everywhere

[gentle loom]

what do I do?

[edgy laurel]

no, you're just putting some on top of it

if anything a tiny amount of graphite powder but really, you just replace the fan or the GPU

[gentle loom]

graphite powder?

I can’t find any replacement fans

[fallow crown]

650w is enough for a rx 9060 xt 16gb right?

[edgy laurel]

a dry lubricant, if you don't want the whole GPU to be covered in oil

[leaden dawn]

Mineral oil degrades plastic anyway, would destroy your fans

[gentle loom]

oki

oh yeah I think my pc blue screened because I selected 2886mhz instead of 2800mhz by mistake lol

[leaden dawn]

Damn. That sucks.

[gentle loom]

yeah some reason my ram doesn’t work at 3200mhz anymore

bought it brand new in 2024

£71, it’s now worth £250 or something

[young void]

Linus kinda valid rn

I would've hit yes

Just assuming it was part of the install

Lol

But Luke's got a point dont get me wrong the system warning that something could be dangerous is a reason to be curious

[atomic veldt]

recently got a 5070ti, when i stress test it on occt, it causes minor freezes and when it freezes the light on the gpu turns off? could this be a unstable power delivery to the gpu, i want to also add the pcie slot switch has fell off, anyone help me?

[reef lance]

Yeah like I said in FP chat I am 65% on Linus's side 35% on Luke's side. I'm very new to Linux, I've used a few distros on virtual machines and messed around on Raspberry Pi OS. I get what Luke was saying about the most prompts being Y/N rather than typing a sentence like that, but when you're just trying to do something as simple as installing Steam I would personally just have assumed it was like any other authentication regardless of that. There's been so many things on Linux or Windows that say "This could harm your device" or something similar. I would have never guessed it would be something that bad. But I get where they're both coming from.

[young void]

Right right

[reef lance]

But yeah that argument got kind of bad and I really think it was what they said at the end when they were calmed down, some Linux users are fucking nuts and when you have a 200,000 comments calling you an idiot or whatever things like that made the argument go off the rails.

[edgy laurel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/im-pretending-i-know-what-youre-talking-about-ahmed-aldoori-1

[leaden dawn]

wan show

[fringe vigil]

:nom

Give me that emoji worm

[young void]

I forget where I snagged it

[south shuttle]

you can technically pull the hub from the frame on some models

beware it can cause permanent damage or in most cases wear

you risk snapping the fan blades especially on the ha1225h12f-z

but it’s possible to pull the hub from the frame

@gentle loom

[gentle loom]

?

[south shuttle]

drill a hole

[gentle loom]

I'll just buy some graphite lubricant and use that..

[south shuttle]

you can either lube the fan by taking off the sticker and drilling a hole

or pull hube apart from the frame without snapping fans

[gentle loom]

im not risking it as it's my only rx 6750xt and it costed me a fortune so.

[south shuttle]

and ensuring the anchor isn’t too big so you don’t pull the hub also with some internals or permanently dent them

random pic

if the anchor is big at the tip of the pole/shaft you’ll damage the internals

[south shuttle]

i recommend buying replacement fans then

[gentle loom]

where

[south shuttle]

ebay, aliexpress

[gentle loom]

I don't trust ali express.

cant find any on ebay either

[south shuttle]

they don’t have to be the exact same model as yours but ensure they’re the correct size, have correct screw/mount placement support and start at a reasonable voltage similar to your old ones

and correct connector type

[south shuttle]

pick a good seller

[cosmic gazelle]

any memory nerds in the chat rn

internet info is telling me setting tfaw below 4xtrrd is pointless because it’ll either crash or auto adjust back up to 4x effective

is that true or am i reading bad info

[south shuttle]

s or l?

which platform?

[cosmic gazelle]

wym s or l

what those values do doesn’t change based on platform afaik

[south shuttle]

do you have trrd_s and trrd_l?

[cosmic gazelle]

no

people are saying tfaw can be higher than 4x rrd but not lower because mathematically that’s not how the values work

[south shuttle]

well going trrd_s below 4 is like… why and also yes it’s not so stable

[cosmic gazelle]

i don’t have s and l it’s just rrd lol

i think you’re misunderstanding my question

[merry stirrup]

this is true

[cosmic gazelle]

ok thanks

[merry stirrup]

it doesnt matter, whatevers lowest * 4 is the lowest tfaw can be

[south shuttle]

yes

[south shuttle]

thx for info and ye i misunderstood

thought he meant if trrd can be stable at below 4 and if it’s possible

[cosmic gazelle]

lmao @merry stirrup apparently the best ddr2 kits run at a cas latency of 3

[cosmic gazelle]

oh yeah on ddr3 4 trrd is pretty doable

[edgy laurel]

old DDR i sold was 2.2.2.5

[south shuttle]

well only ask me basic questions about ddr5 that’s where i have done 95% of overcooking

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah to be fair ddr5 timings are wildly different on most of em

[cosmic gazelle]

apparently you could theoretically build a 4 core opteron server with 32gb of ddr1-400 and boot ubuntu 22.04 lts

2gb sticks lol

[frank zealot]

For today's dose of insanity

[cosmic gazelle]

this is kinda clickbaity because any ar15 that’s that cheap is basically a toy

[frank zealot]

But it'd still get me more than 64gb at microcenter lol

Or at best buy lol

[merry stirrup]

yeah run 4/4 16

[cosmic gazelle]

there’s no split on d3

[merry stirrup]

neat

[cosmic gazelle]

some resources say 4-18 might be necessary on slower or lower end kits so we’ll see

[merry stirrup]

you may achieve flight my lord

[shell void]

the extent of my gaming nowadays

mindlessly free roaming in cyberpunk or gta while listening to a video

[cosmic gazelle]

4-16 appears to be short term stable we will see what happens long term

like i said, everything that’s been stable longer than a minute has been stable for hours

[edgy laurel]

one day you'll just stumble into finishing the game

[shell void]

takemura will wait forever

[edgy laurel]

its hanako who will wait at embers forever

iykyk

[reef lance]

It's been cheaper. I bought my first AR-15 for $419 (no funny number )

But that was like, 9 years ago

[fringe vigil]

Who’s the top shawty

[edgy laurel]

seriously

[fringe vigil]

Yh tf

[edgy laurel]

haven't you talked about finishing the game multiple times

[fringe vigil]

dude

I finished cyberpunk once, I couldn’t even explain you the story tbh

[edgy laurel]

not to mention, her name is quite literally in the image

[fringe vigil]

Ah

I thought it was the old one

[brisk jolt]

yes keep the “meet hanako at embers” burned into our oleds

[edgy laurel]

you get it

[fringe vigil]

The only mission I remember is the one where you’re stuck in the wall in the hotel

But I’m sureee there was like so many endings and people you could side with

You could be against or with arasaka

[pure garnet]

@merry stirrup i thought about it and it’s not the risers fault

because the z890 master never went into the y40

so i had issues in the h5

[wheat void]

jorj remembers getting stared at by adam smasher

[wispy sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ6RczIC8T4

[wispy sequoia]

Lmao I literally did this. Didn't know it was a meme

[reef lance]

Guys, as of this year there is as big of a gap between the release of Zork and the release of Steam as there is between the release of Steam and now. 23 years. Just in case you felt like you were too young or something.

[cosmic gazelle]

I have decided that I’m skipping tertiary timings and if this current config passes I’m leaving it alone forever

memory oc is fun until youre changing one secondary at a time for a whopping .01% performance gain

[burnt socket]

fun until the dram light is stuck on for more than 10 minutes

[cosmic gazelle]

i mean every mobo i’ve ever used just says you failed to boot and it reset at that point

[burnt socket]

it could still happen on a modern motherboard

it's a no guarantee

[brisk jolt]

so far ive only seen that its mainly an AMD issue tbh

intel would def just boot to safe mode

[burnt socket]

yeah

coughs in shitty imc

[pure garnet]

elaborate

[brisk jolt]

it doesnt only need to be shitty imc to cause the issue

AMD will just refuse to boot into safe mode or anything and just keep the dram lights on indefinitely

[burnt socket]

idk if its my memory sticks or the imc

it refuses to put cas to 34 from 36

[cosmic gazelle]

my b650e boots in to safe mode when i enable bullshit settings that have no chance of working because ai told me to and i didn’t do proper research :)

ask me how i know

[brisk jolt]

you’re still learning about this

i still am but like im an amateur at best

[pure garnet]

because the not entering safe mode is a bios bug not amd's fault

[brisk jolt]

ive only booted into safe mode on AMD once

[pure garnet]

it worked reliably on my asus board just fine

[cosmic gazelle]

kyoko i’m just trying to pass overnight for trefi and im done, ive decided tertiaries are not worth the effort on ddr3 lmao

[pure garnet]

did you set a trfc

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah

[pure garnet]

set trfc+trefi then yeah just rock that

that's 90% of the gain from ram tuning anyway

[cosmic gazelle]

i was clean at stock trefi and 210 trfc and then errored at 20k and 230 so i’m at 18k and 240 now

my motherboard only goes to 30k which i thought was odd

[pure garnet]

that may honestly be the limit for that platform

[cosmic gazelle]

i think so because 20k and 210 errored in 47 seconds

lmao

[pure garnet]

no i meant 30k

[cosmic gazelle]

no i know im just saying

[pure garnet]

trefi is temp senstive you usually can't max it without a fan

[cosmic gazelle]

if 20k errored that fast 30k would definitely be worse

[pure garnet]

do you have a fan on theram

[cosmic gazelle]

i mean the pa120 covers it so i kinda can’t

[brisk jolt]

I think im running like- 8200C40 50k trefi 600trfc on the 265K H24M

[cosmic gazelle]

i wish i knew if that was good or not

i’m running 6200 cl38 stock everything else because i’m too afraid to tune my daily driver lmao

just set it to gear 1 and called it a day

[brisk jolt]

you could still use a ram fan with an air cooler like that just that it wont be as effective

[pure garnet]

i run a 6400 tune on my daily

and then an 8000c34 setup on my other pc

[brisk jolt]

Unless its a REALLY fat air cooler I’d just give up lmao

I have the ITX debuff on my intel build

[pure garnet]

i mean i had a ram fan with my d15s just fine

you just angle it

airflow is airflow

[cosmic gazelle]

realistically for ddr3 i’d rather just run looser timings than deal with a ram fan

not worth my time or money

ok it would appear i have discovered a strange quirk in that trfc could go down by a ton but as soon as i increase trefi i have to put it back to where it was before lmao

dunno how strict they are on that

[pure garnet]

trfc = time after a refresh command is sent before another command is sent
trefi = time between refresh commands

[cosmic gazelle]

my understanding is that they’re related but i don’t quite understand the whole electrical engineering side of this whole thing lol

[pure garnet]

so yeah your refresh interval probably wasn't too thin you just didn't have low enough temp to hold the charge that long

[pure garnet]

i mean figure it's like you're holding something in your hand and talking to someone without looking at it

the longer you go without looking at it you probably forget why you're holding it or what it is

that's trefi

[cosmic gazelle]

that makes sense so how does trfc fit into this analogy

[pure garnet]

idk how to slot that one in as nice to that one

[cosmic gazelle]

lol fair enough

[pure garnet]

but basically trfc it studies for the quiz

more time in trfc is more time wasted on that task specifically

[cosmic gazelle]

good enough lol

[pure garnet]

jedec (default) refresh cycle and interval is designed for basically any environment

but usually you can get away with a lot less time spent refreshing

<@&750150305383186585> the usual scam again

[cosmic gazelle]

think i might have set twtp too low

i just need it to pass 15 minutes so i can go to bed with it running lol

[pure garnet]

also if you ever wanted to touch the daily system, just use the buildzoid timings he has on his patreon

gets you 99% of the way there

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah i have an extremely popular kit so that’s probably not a bad idea

i’m gpu bound 99% of the time so maybe not now

[pure garnet]

for am5 he makes these pdf files you can get for $10 per ic that covers timings for every speed from 6000-8000

[cosmic gazelle]

that’s pretty cool, good business model

[pure garnet]

with recommended voltages and voltage ranges too

[cosmic gazelle]

I have micron ram so probably not much that can be extracted anyways, but maybe i’ll look into that

[pure garnet]

not sure if he made a micron one off the top of my head

[cosmic gazelle]

well technically crucial but same thing different name lol

[pure garnet]

looks like just hynix

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah i don’t think my kit is particularly liked it was just the cheapest at the time and still is i believe

does the job