tech-chat-2

[inland dome]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[steel stream]

and still couldn't figure out their PC issue apparently

[inland dome]

What issue

[edgy laurel]

The hyper obsessed over temperature are a weird bunch

[pallid marsh]

Still a valid statement

[inland dome]

I mean I don't know what did it, but the cpu is working as well as it should

[steel stream]

no stop it

[inland dome]

Yeah I was obsessing over stupid stuff because I spent a lot of money on it, 8 months later I'm not terrified of it getting warmer than usual

[pure garnet]

if my pc hits 80c it’s going to explode

[inland dome]

80c??? How daring are you?! It shouldn't go over 60c!!!

[devout ridge]

60c? that’s so hot! can’t be over 23c

[pure garnet]

i think enabling pbo should display a giant multicolor warning that 95c is a normal operating temp for amd cpus

[devout ridge]

nah, let natural selection run its course and lead people to nerfing their own hardware

[edgy laurel]

I'm in favor

[inland dome]

It really should to be honest

[edgy laurel]

as they attempt to mimic the same thermal profile as the 7th gen i5, their last CPU

[inland dome]

I honestly did think at first that if a cpu could boil water at its temperature at high altitude* it was high, but i then realized that (at some point), like an idiot, I was literally trying to mimic a 2600

[pallid marsh]

I love when people give coolers bad reviews when using Ryzen 7/9000x cpus because it gets to over 80c!

[edgy laurel]

things changed from Ryzen 5000 on

[inland dome]

Yeah I was not a believer

I did not think these things actually TRIED to hit 95C by boosting until they did

That being said I can't exceed 75C in cyberpunk at max settings at 1440p dlss quality (including crowd density)

I did something right at least

[edgy laurel]

AK620?

[inland dome]

Putting more load on the cpu than ever at the actual boost clock, and getting roughly the same temps that is

[floral spear]

I never had a problem with temperatures

[inland dome]

A620e

Asrock's standard profile must set the fan speed to like 60 once it hits 80 or something

[edgy laurel]

stock fan profiles are garbage

[inland dome]

Yeah I didn't realize just how bad they were

[edgy laurel]

I had an AK620 on a 7900x a while back, basically two 7600x's.

ran silent

custom flat curve

40% flat to 85c, then 60%. 90% at 95c but it never got there. -40 all core

[inland dome]

That's insane, think its much better than the A620 Pro SE?

[edgy laurel]

no, they're effectively the same

[inland dome]

Hm, something to do with the CO?

[edgy laurel]

just a normal dual tower

[elder relic]

MSI is actually so sad. I found a x570 + 5900x for 190€ and the board does not support ecc. I'm thinking about just buying this for the cpu and reselling the board so hard rn

[edgy laurel]

not really sure what your problem is to begin with

[inland dome]

Mine is at -20 because its been stable forever, think maybe turning it down even further would do more for temps then?

[edgy laurel]

or if there is one at all

[inland dome]

There's really no issue, just curious how your temps are so low if its basically the same cooler on a much hotter cpu

[edgy laurel]

i mean, i didn't say anything about temps, just fan speeds

[civic reef]

Changed my mind about buying the laptop first

Should I find RAM to buy first? Or buy a cpu first? Or all at once when I have the capability?

[edgy laurel]

but it stayed under 85c even during Cinebench runs

[inland dome]

Thats nice, I think I stayed around low 80s personally

80% past 75c or something like that though, that's double the speed for similar cooling

[edgy laurel]

just a matter of case/fan setup and ambient temps at that point. or mount quality

[inland dome]

You know what my stock montech air 100 fans are probably part of the culprit, have no clue how fast they spin

Either way its not much of an issue, I cant hear them with headphones on anyways

But yeah I've been enjoying the performance of it, got my 5070Ti curve at 3150 @ 990, +2800 Mem MHz

Cyberpunk at max settings (psycho RT, not PT) gets about 300 or so fps with MFGx4

[devout ridge]

how do you like mfgx4?

[inland dome]

Its actually quite good

Its probably because its well beyond 60fps base, but I can't say I notice much if any visual quality loss on Preset M

[edgy laurel]

@shell void @steel stream @turbid locust they hate us cause they ain’t us

[steel stream]

they're all just jealous!

[turbid locust]

you have to build your setup around it lmao

[wraith steeple]

[steel stream]

makes it look dope as fuck though

well to some people

[fringe vigil]

What good windows laptop is better than MacBook

[indigo walrus]

"Better" in what way? For what purpose? Hardware on it's own is just that: hardware. What you actually want to do with said hardware largely defines whether or not it's "better" for your specific needs.

[fringe vigil]

Multitasking, work, editing

[indigo walrus]

What kind of work / editing? Also, all computers are capable of multi-tasking - it just boils down to how familiar you are with how each OS handles multi-tasking. Some prefer the Windows UI, others prefer the MacOS UI.

[fringe vigil]

I used to use mac but I think I’ve forgotten how to use it

I think windows I prefer

editing like premier pro, after effects

[indigo walrus]

For things like this, I tend to recommend Dell's XPS 16" lineup or Lenovo's LOQ / Legion (consumer) or ThinkPad P (professional) series if a Windows laptop is what someone is after.

[fringe vigil]

What about pro art

Which leveno one

[indigo walrus]

Given the horror stories with ASUS warranty process, I cannot recommend any ASUS products (except their Pro Art monitors) in good faith, even if ASUS has smartened up and started to publish service manuals online.

[cosmic gazelle]

you can usually find good deals on 6000 gen zephyrus g14s on used sites that are good for editing

[indigo walrus]

As mentioned above... the LOQ or Legion (Pro) series, or their ThinkPad P series.

• https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/d/laptops-for-creators/
• https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/c/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/
  If you want to know what to look for, NoteBookCheck is a great place to start.
  https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ranking-Best-laptops-for-editing-photos-and-videos.163696.0.html
  IMPORTANT: As with every product, there is no "best" - rather, "best" is relative to your needs.

[cosmic gazelle]

and that 6800s is a compute focused card from what i remember

like i might be wrong but im pretty sure this is good value and this isn’t even a good price

sorry discord bugged and those messages sent out of order

16gb ram is not ideal but there’s plenty of listings with more

[edgy laurel]

jorj did you buy a high end Asus laptop and then mysteriously return it like 6 months ago

[wraith steeple]

Oh?

I don't remember this

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-interested-interesting-eat-gif-12379645417545842169

[pallid marsh]

Idk it's lacking lewd anime stickers

[edgy laurel]

ok yeah he returned it back in June

[fringe vigil]

whats an rtx pro 2000 blackwell equivlanet to

[cosmic gazelle]

like a 6700 xt according to techpowerup

[pallid marsh]

2080 super

[edgy laurel]

omg from: jorj "laptop" is quite the read

[indigo walrus]

Google search tells me its cores are "equivalent" to an RTX 5060, however, you cannot compare workstation cards to consumer cards straight across as they are designed for different workloads.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/1o6pzmv/p1_or_t1g_can_the_rtx_5070_keep_up_with_the_pro/

[edgy laurel]

more than enough for video editing

[cosmic gazelle]

aren’t most nvidia workstation cards just overpriced gaming cards that are just “””validated”””

or is that not true anymore

[merry stirrup]

i saw this lol

[fringe vigil]

nice choices

[cosmic gazelle]

e cores in my editing laptop

jorj do you actually take your editing rig places or do you just like the form factor

[fringe vigil]

i edit at home

desktop

[cosmic gazelle]

why a laptop then

[fringe vigil]

can take it places

[edgy laurel]

lol

[fringe vigil]

and sit on my bed

[cosmic gazelle]

are you actually GOING to take it places?

[fringe vigil]

what kind of q is that

yeah if i go somehwere ofc

[indigo walrus]

Serious Q: when you say you'll "sit on your bed" with the laptop... where exactly are you planning to place the laptop?

[fringe vigil]

on a laptop stand idk

[cosmic gazelle]

because people spend money on laptops that just sit on a desk 99% of the time anyways

[pure garnet]

i put my laptop on a book

[indigo walrus]

Okay, good. Or at the very least, just ensure the laptop is placed on something flat and rigid, like a piece of finished plywood or a plastic laptop cooler / pad / tray. Just don't want anyone suffocating their expensive device. I have one of these - it has fans, but I don't even use them - I just use it on my lap to ensure the laptop isn't suffocating.
https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/targus-targus-lap-chill-mat-awe55ca-awe55ca/10132892

[fringe vigil]

is that a fan

[cosmic gazelle]

i paid for the whole cooling system i’m gonna use the whole cooling system dammit

[fringe vigil]

inside of it

[indigo walrus]

Well if you read my message, you'll find out... even before I added the product link, my message explains. 🙂

[fringe vigil]

oh yeah

i want it bigger though

more room to put a mouse on too

[indigo walrus]

Sure, the one I shared is just an example. There are lots to choose from - gotta do your research.

[fringe vigil]

aight ty

[cosmic gazelle]

if i can’t encase my laptop in memory foam and its cooling system still maintain 50 c across cpu and gpu they just didn’t make it well enough

[edgy laurel]

aww @steel stream I found the fit

[cosmic gazelle]

is that d1

[edgy laurel]

no lol

[cosmic gazelle]

oh i never understood d2 always seemed confusing

[edgy laurel]

just old d2

[cosmic gazelle]

and the lack of an anti aliasing option that works always pissed me off

[floral spear]

I wanted to try destiny but

I can't even play 40K Darktide daily so what's the point

[cosmic gazelle]

warframe is pretty good if you invest hundreds of hours into it but it sucks for a casual player

[edgy laurel]

i stopped playing d2 simply because it felt like a job

[cosmic gazelle]

i wish rust was playable without literally being a full time job

[shell void]

i have not heard this noise before

[brave panther]

credit card swiping simulator

[shell void]

what a stud

[floral spear]

Same reason why I quit GTA V, that and they did an account reset

[edgy laurel]

na, none of that unless you just buy stupid cosmetics. not necessary in any way

[shell void]

oh my lord Razer brought back an Unc mouse as a limited edition with a meme price

[cosmic gazelle]

i hate gta v because everyone just hacks in 100 bajillion dollars and bombs you for a living

[edgy laurel]

how does one quit GTA. you play the story and then its over

[brave panther]

i ment gazilion DLC's
without them story is full of holes lol

[edgy laurel]

oh, well yeah I mean, with how much time I put in and the enjoyment, $100 a year was nothing.

[cosmic gazelle]

once i was playing red dead online and someone had made themselves the sprite of the ufo and started bombing me

that’s when i knew rockstar didn’t give a shit

[floral spear]

Online

[brave panther]

imagine someone just getting into it and them realising that full experience costs 585$ right now

[edgy laurel]

i'm pretty sure thats not always the case. I remember talking about a deal recently where everyexpansion was bundled for like $35

[floral spear]

I am cringing so hard right now

[analog scroll]

That's a funny mouse

[floral spear]

Mom keeps mistaking the router color

Fucking up the info with Support

[brave panther]

total there are 16 dlc's and this bundle contains 7

[edgy laurel]

oh yeah, it was all this but no longer available https://www.greenmangamingbundles.com/bundles/destiny-2-expansion-bundle-2025/

[brave panther]

but this is still 9 items, out of total of 16

[reef lance]

If you don't have HWInfo up 24/7 what are you even doing with your life?

[edgy laurel]

yeah I have no idea beyond that what you do and don't need

[edgy laurel]

living it. stopped doing that years ago

once you realize its effectively pointless

[reef lance]

Number go up

[brave panther]

yea, if i might have gotten it

[floral spear]

Mostly online, the thing is to get your dopamine up you have to do heists and grind out money

[brave panther]

but still full experience is expensive af

[edgy laurel]

there was a point in time where I had a whole monitor that only showed hwinfo graphs

[floral spear]

Since without money you're just driving around Los Angeles with a rickety car

[shell void]

that monitor still has a higher resolution than what most people are using today

[floral spear]

The job update did made it much more lovely but still

[edgy laurel]

i hope it went to a good home

[brave panther]

i stopped at 20 mil lol

[floral spear]

I had a 1.5 trillion

Lost it all, 10 year old account

[brave panther]

how

cheated in money?

[floral spear]

I dunno tbh but they claimed I had illegal items inside my GTA online account

Suspended me for 30 days and now I can't do shit

[brave panther]

too many biker gang properties smh

[turbid locust]

X is the most useless social media platform on the planet I stg lmao

[edgy laurel]

see, you called it X

[turbid locust]

Trying to change my username on an account and it just errors and rate limits despite the username being available

[edgy laurel]

I actually just looked at it the other day and uninstalled it

[turbid locust]

yet they just released a premium handle feature for premium subs

[edgy laurel]

nothing of value was lost

[turbid locust]

so that’s fuckin cool

[turbid locust]

Because Twitter was better than this

the entire platform feels vibecoded now

[shell void]

it is

and 80% of the platform traffic is bots

[edgy laurel]

guys, getting old is being excited that you installed new windshield wipers and a cabin air filter today

[turbid locust]

new wipers are fire I don’t blame you

[edgy laurel]

the joy from seeing how dirty my old cabin air filter was was great

[edgy laurel]

oh, mine were torn and horrible from the last ice storm

[turbid locust]

ffffffffffffffuck yourselves

how do I hit the limit when none of them go through

[turbid locust]

I’ve been wanting to get some good ones, I’m a fan of a the Rain-X Silicone ones. Right now I just have the ones that came with the car lol

[edgy laurel]

Bosch Icon's

project farm to the rescue

https://youtu.be/g3S8udUSKtY

[steel stream]

that black armory gear was so good

[fringe vigil]

mf messed her up time for payback

[inland dome]

It's destiny though

[edgy laurel]

🙏

[steel stream]

i finally got all my taken gear in D2 for brightdust so I got some more fits

[floral spear]

This new router

Fucked up the range so badly I'm crine

[floral spear]

https://tenor.com/view/duke-dennis-laughing-duke-duke-laughing-duke-dennis-laugh-gif-14016184592364785644

[hoary hatch]

https://youtu.be/SXViJFcsxW4
My man's given up on GPU reviews and went full math teacher

[wraith steeple]

Absolutel state of Tech YouTube

[shell void]

@pure garnet @merry stirrup $350 Tachyon O_O https://www.ebay.com/itm/236603320204

[pure garnet]

is vcc important

nova lake delayed

it has never been more over than it is now

[fervent chasm]

you can usually lose 1 and be ok

[wraith steeple]

Damn tech is boring now

[shell void]

i just learned that it's for core power 2 minutes ago while researching, and i also have no idea how good the og rev 1.0 non-x tachyon is

[pure garnet]

i can't imagine that board would do muchbetter than my mpower would in my hands

[shell void]

if it's for actually supplying power and not signaling then it's probably okay to lose one

[pure garnet]

my next board is gonna be asus again because the mlg is starting to behave oddly occasionally

[shell void]

it's okay i wasnt expecting to actually have a z990 board and cpu in hand until january or february anyway

im still expecting them to hold its desktop launch at the end of this year

we'll have more official info at computex

[wraith steeple]

This week is not going to be a fun one

But needed for sure

[floral spear]

yea its ggs this new router sucks

[south shuttle]

what kind of clickbait is this

[wraith steeple]

Going to bring along one of my Arabic speaking cousins for the appointments. I just have a better time explaining my symptoms in Arabic better than English and speaking IRL has gotten worse recently

[cosmic gazelle]

am i trippin or is this a really good deal

[south shuttle]

mid

[shell void]

if that's usd then it's not interesting

[floral spear]

meh

hey michael

[shell void]

hi

[floral spear]

Planning on buying a 200$ monitor

[edgy laurel]

only been talking about it for weeks

[shell void]

for 200 you can get 2160p160hz or 1440p320hz ips, pick whatever suits you better

[floral spear]

👍

me haz decision

idk why they use ai generated shit for their monitor filler

[shell void]

[pure garnet]

one of the monitors of all time

[floral spear]

truly

well either that or the innocn 320hz

[shell void]

i would get a 320Hz model from Innocn or KTC

it isnt worth giving Acer a premium for a monitor that isnt really better than the other chinese brands

[floral spear]

fair enough

[inland dome]

I hear a lot of good about innocn

If you're getting an ips you should see if they offer mini led options for it

[floral spear]

I miss my Mini LED AOC Monitor

[shell void]

innocn is the oem for a lot of the chinese brands

ktc used to be a manufacturer for samsung

[floral spear]

lowk idk why

I want to get thsoe monitor divider shit

[shell void]

might still be idk

[shell void]

did it kaboom or somethin?

[floral spear]

mom broke it in a fit of rage

and I dont think abusive mother is a part of the AOC Warranty

[brittle trellis]

Was it something you paid for yourself?

[floral spear]

fully it was my first gaming monitor

[brittle trellis]

you can have her charged for that then

[floral spear]

eh

[brittle trellis]

[floral spear]

now I use a 24g4

since the 24g2ze isnt getting sold anymore

its a good 180hz monitor but I desire that 240hz and above

[inland dome]

I think the Koorui GN10 isn't getting sold anymore either, but I can vouch that mine is excellent

It is a VA panel, but the colors look good enough when set right and the same goes for the blacks and whites

Brightness variation goes from almost black to I have to squint just to avoid going blind

[viral cave]

Anyone now why my Samsung Galaxy A04s wont turn on after needing a update?

[topaz veldt]

Nor I across my many 5090 Master Ice but dude insists I am the minority. Whatever.

[gentle urchin]

what, you can get 1080p160hz as best for that in Sweden

where you guys gets all these extra pixels & hertz from

[indigo walrus]

The Pixels & Hertz Store™, obviously.

[topaz veldt]

wifes friend sent her this - they came home to it

[brave panther]

https://se.pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=192001080&D=155000,600000&sort=price&page=1

[brave panther]

Nuts!!

[gentle urchin]

Neat, 180hz 1080p 24" dropped to 1500 sek from danish proshop

[karmic folio]

https://tenor.com/view/strong-kitty-rope-cat-climbing-gif-20311491

[fringe vigil]

[brisk jolt]

throughout the 4 gigabyte cards ive used none have also have had this noise kek

[edgy laurel]

@topaz veldt guy is complaining about the SATA power cables pushing on the side panel. Needs to learn that daisy chain method

https://imgur.com/a/iaDzSYS/

[brisk jolt]

“learn more”

[merry stirrup]

someones gotta figure out something revolutionary and fast bro

[topaz veldt]

Bro they have no idea

[merry stirrup]

they gotta put us in the lab together we'll cook something up

[dapper junco]

or what shit gpu releases do to a man

[merry stirrup]

what

im agreeing with that lol thats what i mean

tech is currently very boring and stagnated

[shell void]

NVL-K save us please

[dapper junco]

Yea, I'm just translating that to meme speak

[brisk jolt]

we need more pantherlake availability for now

[shell void]

u buying?

[brisk jolt]

i honestly might if the stars properly align XD

Im first gonna swap table and monitor since I’ve a guaranteed buyer for it

[shell void]

cool beans, a mini pc, or a laptop?

[brisk jolt]

a 14” laptop

[shell void]

[brisk jolt]

for another device its between a 14” panther, a panther handheld or a redmagic tablet

The first 2 rn basically are no options lol

admittedly this 8945HS laptop config is hella slow

[shell void]

i can only find one ptl laptop in stock that's brutal

[brisk jolt]

i might not even be able to get a PTL degice for a sensible price this year so the redmagic tablet looks good

[shell void]

eh we're only in february i wouldnt lose hope, the cpu literally just launched xD

[brisk jolt]

Im glad I avoided buying a AMD handheld because of that Z1E blunder

[shell void]

the one ptl laptop that i can find is from HP with 16" 2048x1280p 120Hz OLED + X7 358H + 1TB + 32GB for $1450

[brisk jolt]

i shit you not over here thats gonna be 2K USD equivalent

[shell void]

a similarly spec'ed dell is $2.2K

but it's OOS

[brisk jolt]

every US price I see, remove that $ and x2 it, thats what I see

[merry stirrup]

need ai snatch

[steel stream]

ayo?

[hoary hatch]

AI what now

[low sorrel]

@steel stream @topaz veldt first time using an osprey cuz i found it in raid

[brave inlet]

can someone tell me roughly what my cyberpower prebuilt would be worth usd

i7 11700f
3070
32gb ddr4 3200mhz
500gb ssd
2tb hdd

[hoary hatch]

11th gen is worth practically nothing

[brave inlet]

well the whole pc

[vestal granite]

id guess like 600-700

[hoary hatch]

Ballpark $600

But to be honest, a whole PC usually sells for less than the value of the individual components

[brave inlet]

okay thank you

im just gonna keep it whole i dont feel like parting it out

[hoary hatch]

You should be able to get $600 for it

[edgy laurel]

Jacob Collier has Kii Three's. Good lad.

[reef lance]

It's honestly the weirdest thing about the second-hand PC market.

Like I get the logic, but still.

[devout ridge]

Nice rack

[reef lance]

But that also doesn't factor in all the "I know what I got, sonny" people trying to sell their whole computer

" i7 9700K, 1080ti, 16GB DDR4 2000mhz, 128GB SSD, 1TB HDD: $1500 no lowballs. I know what I got."

[arctic bronze]

Me when i walk into my girls house and ponder apon her new rack

[devout ridge]

if i met a girl with a server rack, i'd fall in love immediately

[arctic bronze]

It was a breast joke

[devout ridge]

really?

[arctic bronze]

🤓

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-nice-rack-i-like-that-joker-gif-15367680

[devout ridge]

me when 5nail posts pics of his rack

[shell void]

@hoary hatch hear me out

wildcat lake intel compute stick

god that would be so cool

[arctic bronze]

Blade

[unborn scarab]

i love linus's tech tips

[edgy laurel]

congrats

[arctic bronze]

No you dont

https://tenor.com/view/meninblack-men-in-black-erase-gif-13992462

[topaz veldt]

Sigh

[dapper junco]

Cloudflare is shitting itself again?

[topaz veldt]

Iunno

[arctic bronze]

Yes

[arctic bronze]

Yes

Also explains why amazon and discord is running like shit rn

[turbid locust]

finally unwashed

[arctic bronze]

Shower time

Just messin

[turbid locust]

first time on in over a week I touched grass trust

[arctic bronze]

Anyways, good job

[brisk jolt]

Oops- I didnt add enough detergent. Back into the washing machine ya go

[keen wigeon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/so-tired-blinking

trying to build out this openclaw crap on my network. What a shit show. Maybe I should have RTFM

[limber void]

yes

[lone scarab]

elijah - cocacola

[burnt socket]

I think bros calling elijah

[low sorrel]

did it just have a 30 hour delay? #tech-chat-2 message

@edgy laurel it worked lmao

[low sorrel]

ugh ill get unwashed as well

[pallid marsh]

Give free dedicated ddr5 rams

[green marsh]

here it is kinda hard considering it is all snowed over

[civic reef]

Your newest primary appearance in the 8v8 gaming setup video was honestly one of my favourite videos from LTT in general

You should become the primary host on LTT smh

[topaz veldt]

Was messing with it also, couldn't figure it out in 10 mins so I walked away

[livid flame]

I like the rotational hosting LTT does. Content to suit skills and interests of those hosting. Good setup they got.

[civic reef]

Do away with rotational hosting and make Elijah the only one upfront /s

[shell void]

@turbid locust i got the 5090 down from 410W to 235W while hitting the same fps cap with the same graphics settings 👀

[young void]

Hm

[brisk jolt]

slide the tech king

[fringe vigil]

some horror game free rn

[young void]

@rocky shoal

When she awakens she will be stoked xD

[shell void]

2600MHz @ 870MV for peak efficiency, and 2800MHz @ 950MV if you want a little more performance for a little more power

the curve:

sorry about the late reply i was catching a quick victory royale

curve shaping doesnt work well below 870MV, and above 950MV youre burning a ton of power

[brisk jolt]

im currently running 2800 .95v , ill try 2600 .87

thanks king

[shell void]

i only just made this 870mv profile so i dont know if it's stable yet

ive been running 2800 @ 950mv for like a month without an issue

[brisk jolt]

I think I previously tried 2600 0.875v and it was stable

but power wise it wasnt what i desired

[shell void]

yeah it’s not a huge drop in power from 950mv

[topaz veldt]

might do this in my sff

[shell void]

dropping from 1.1v to 950mv is colossal though

[shell void]

good idea

the 2800MHz 950mv config is a huge wattage drop and still equal to or better than a stock 5090FE

[topaz veldt]

My sister was over last night, was showing her it - my son was in arc raiders for like 10 - 15 mins and she was like "my god its like an oven"

[brisk jolt]

medium rare beef in hotpot is so peak

[young void]

XD

[brisk jolt]

I showed a friend 400w and he thought that was already batshit crazy

[topaz veldt]

ha yeah imagine like 150W CPU and 600W GPU in a shoebox

[brisk jolt]

I could possibly do that but the 5090 would need to be outside the case- too fat

some people just underestimate the coolers on these cards

[topaz veldt]

I wish macos would show wtf its doing when copying files

[brisk jolt]

The guy who tried my monitor was like “Dude, this looks like those tiktok edits but in real time”

[shell void]

xd

my full tower case gets toasty if i run the 5090 unlocked so i can only imagine how it would be in sff

literal compact space heater

[topaz veldt]

yah - and the case is full aluminum so it only accentuates the heat in that if you touch it, its seriously warm

[young void]

https://tenor.com/view/cold-yoshi-abandoned-yoshi-gif-22803951

[brisk jolt]

not to mention loud fans and coil whine they can hear

[topaz veldt]

im already friggin sweating

[brisk jolt]

If I dont open windows or the AC, max output 5090 makes me start sweating in like 5 minutes

[topaz veldt]

its like 1000 deg under this animal

So my father in law was over last night. He has xfinity internet, 1 Gbps. He is like "Hey so I am switching internet"

I thought wow maybe FIOS - no, he said his cell phone provider, AT&T offered a crazy rate and they'll be out to install it next week and he'll cancel xfinity after he's happy with it

I am googling AT&T residential fiber... not coming up with anything

[brisk jolt]

“May I introduce you to 10gbps-“

[topaz veldt]

.... dude they sold him fucking 5G home internet

He HAS cable

He has freaking 1.2 Gbps cable today.... and they sold him 5G LTE

[brisk jolt]

Reminds me mines due for a recontract

[topaz veldt]

So yeah needless to say, he's cancellinjg that shit

[brisk jolt]

1gbps to 10 gbps soon

[topaz veldt]

But I am so pissed off - total predatory move

[brisk jolt]

All companies are pretty much predatory

[topaz veldt]

Dude how are you going to be like "oh you have xfinity cable... get our 5G its better"

thats insane

[brisk jolt]

Selling lies

[topaz veldt]

Would have fucked up his whole home internet experience

They never mentioned to him its cellular he has no idea

Also his house has TERRIBLE reception lol

[brisk jolt]

they’re praying that the folks dont do a google search and preying on them

Good thing ya told him in time 5nail

[topaz veldt]

Yeah he usually runs shit by me but he had forgotten and just figured hey its like 1/2 the price yolo

[fringe vigil]

cute piglet

[young void]

Most us company's except like maybe consumer cellular are pretty predatory

Fine print yada yada rada rada

[topaz veldt]

USA BABY!!!!

LFGGGGGG

[young void]

Gotta get theirs in suppose

[topaz veldt]

USA just beat Canada

[young void]

Ohhh right right

[topaz veldt]

sorry not yoru comment lol watching the hockey game

[young void]

https://tenor.com/view/hockey-player-head-slide-celebrate-gif-15957095327867322367

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/merica-bald-eagle-eagle-america-american-gif-2277187416326490184

[fringe vigil]

canada lets go

love them guys

[young void]

Heya snails, if lurkin why's crypto tanking so hard rn?

Haven't been in the loops

[arctic bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-nfl-football-crying-crying-happy-gif-20762708

[steel stream]

huge goal

just the best to ever do it

[young void]

Time to stalk wallets and transfers, grumble grumble

[topaz veldt]

LOL STFU

USA mfers

[topaz veldt]

amazing game, so pumped, we needed it

[fringe vigil]

are you proud to be american snail

[topaz veldt]

fuck yes

[fringe vigil]

y

[topaz veldt]

unserious question

[young void]

Snails got that slice of the American dream if there was to be one

So like, ya know

[fringe vigil]

its a scary place

[topaz veldt]

then stay out

[young void]

https://tenor.com/view/florida-man-chandlers-wildlife-alligator-gator-rodeo-gif-22660176

Just a big lizard pup

[topaz veldt]

we don't need any more scaredy cats

[fringe vigil]

Sure

but I’ll come to nyc and Miami

and florida

and maybe Texas and San fran

[topaz veldt]

just make sure you leave when you're done 🙂

[fringe vigil]

What if I meet a girl and we get married

[topaz veldt]

Then I pray for her

[fringe vigil]

and vegas

oh and can’t forget LA

[young void]

Idk about that last one fams but maybe the nice areas

[topaz veldt]

lol

bro picked all the terrible spots

[young void]

I was just thinking NYC and Florida like lol

Goon central

[fringe vigil]

I’d love Compton

[topaz veldt]

Compton isn't as bad as it was

you should go to Baltimore

[fringe vigil]

Yeah sure why not

don’t think anything will happen unless you go at night on your own

[young void]

Downtown Texas clubs get crazy

There's a whole channel on youtube to their fights, gets taken down and they have to rename it every few months

[topaz veldt]

Austin 6th street gets wild

[fringe vigil]

Send me if you find them

[young void]

https://youtube.com/@txstreetfights3?si=XpKtfbWPmDuBJ84R

Lol like their 3rd or 4th remake

Missing a handful of their old vids but meh

King of the streets is more brutal if looking for extreme bkfc

[fringe vigil]

None of them can even fight

[topaz veldt]

Canada looks so depressed

[young void]

Viewer discretion is advised
https://youtube.com/@kingofthestreets?si=ctlRhybC6B8WARO2

These ones get gruesome

[fringe vigil]

Looks illegal

[young void]

Its certainly country based id imagine

I know Amazon added bare knuckles fights but not quite to the same degree, of fight till one drops

[steel stream]

the only cool part of Canada is Banff national park

[young void]

Its all 6th street xD a slum fs

[topaz veldt]

yeah i discourage my dudes from going out on 6th when we're down

[young void]

Homies look out for homies lol

[keen wigeon]

The biggest hurdle for me was dealing with the insane security shit. I’m trying to run over my home LAN. I don’t need session tokens, secure whatever shit and freaking device pairing. The security posture is built so ironclad that it is a disservice

[topaz veldt]

yeah the bearer token shit?

I had issues with it also

I just want open unauthenticated shit for a lab I ain't trying to call out to cloud shit

I get it but yeah it was annoying, I put it down lol

@turbid locust what as that tool you were editing Curve Optimizer in windows w/

[young void]

Sighsss they are re releasing Diablo 2 and I dont think I have the strength to not play it

[topaz veldt]

Any Apple Mac people here

[fringe vigil]

When??

[young void]

https://diablo2.blizzard.com/en-us/

Just a update to graphics, and a new dlc with a new charachter

[wraith steeple]

[young void]

🧙‍♂️

[fringe vigil]

wasnt this on there already

[young void]

Not sure when they dropped it, but new to me

Never seen warlocks gameplay

Ngl I purchased Diablo 4 with expansions and didnt touch it once. Ive had no time

[edgy laurel]

interesting. i've not been paying attention and thought the warlock was coming to D4

[young void]

Mayhaps wouldn't suprise me if they added it to the others around the same time

[edgy laurel]

doesn't look like I own D2, at least in bnet

probably played it on a CD way back when

[fringe vigil]

Diablo 3 goated

[young void]

Squints at the old disc collection xD

[young void]

Working on that one with the misses but also been awhile since we worked on it

[fringe vigil]

Yall don’t play on pc

[young void]

I do for for that one on the series x

[edgy laurel]

I love D4, play at least one character each season

[young void]

When the babys alittle bigger ill certainly give it a playthough or two at least

[whole coral]

What the fuck

75 mph wind gusts. Yeah I’m gonna lose power lmao

[young void]

Kinda salty my master chief collection didnt include halo reach, and for some reason the 360 edition on the Microsoft store is unavailable

[whole coral]

We are absolutely prepared

[young void]

But still have all my 360 reach dlc

[keen wigeon]

I do have it running, it is actually doing some development work for me

[edgy laurel]

ok so i'd need D2 Resurrected and the DLC

[young void]

Baal runs for days xD

[keen wigeon]

had to use tailscale to get around the security posture. There's a freaking "lan mode". You would think that would do the trick and you could have some sort of login page but nooooo. lol

[steel stream]

oh different D2

[edgy laurel]

ya

[young void]

https://tenor.com/view/same-gif-8650053

[steel stream]

I have forgotten how to access my copy of Diablo 4

it's now an ancient knowledge lost long ago

[young void]

Epic mayhaps?

[edgy laurel]

either bnet or steam, right?

[young void]

If not bnet/Microsoft

[steel stream]

I think bnet, but I've got no clue what email

[topaz veldt]

I might hit you up if I can't get it going

[keen wigeon]

I have the openclaw running on a dgx spark and gave it another dgx spark as a lab

it is absolutely not the fastest on earth but for fire and forget coding tasks? I can wait a few hours.

[brisk jolt]

dude i was trying a game on my phone with the controller, I said in VC “my phone overheats fast” and someone said “haha imagine no vapor chamber”

this isnt gonna work but still

[pure garnet]

i mean when i was copying stuff to an external ssd i sat a u9s heatsink on top and it didn’t throttle anymore

[brisk jolt]

genuinely idk how i can even get this shit idea to even work in the slightest

[pure garnet]

u must buy iphone 17 pro for vapor chamber

that’s honestly the biggest upgrade i got, my phone doesn’t try to melt itself when plugged in now

[brisk jolt]

i wasnt being serious but I jokingly said “you wanna play ah boy” 😂

[low sorrel]

@topaz veldt that hockey game was an actual goalie diff

[brisk jolt]

How did you do it? Did you set the coldplate or the heatsink onto the phone

[low sorrel]

give all the golds to your goalie holy

[south shuttle]

20 inches of snow??

[turbid locust]

SMU debug tool

[shell void]

only one spark?? surely you need 8 of them in a cluster

[keen wigeon]

I have 5 total but I am not going to cluster them like that, if I wanted beast mode inference I'd start stuffing A800s into machines

[cosmic gazelle]

the suspiciously 48 raspberry pi shaped cluster in the corner

[steel stream]

scoreboard scoreboard!

Also Canada should not have gotten gold in curling that is blasphemy

[low sorrel]

3v3 is blasphemy for a gold medal game

[turbid locust]

I learned how curling worked over the past week and my brain exploded

[steel stream]

😛

[steel stream]

it's a bit wack ngl, but I am going curling in a few weeks now

[wraith steeple]

So you have to push it, sweep it, and yell like idiots and hope for the best..... Got it

That's the impression I got from watching how curling works

[shadow anvil]

I've put this in the tech support channel too but no ones responding so can someone help me get my sim racing rig working? when I plug in my wheelbase it works fine and the same with my pedals but if I plug them both in together instead of only plugging in one they both disconnect from the pc entirely, all I can think is that it's the motherboard at this point since I'm using a strix z270e board with an I7 7700k in it

[steel stream]

don't forget sweeping

[shell void]

oh you have 5? that's pretty sweet

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/cheaper-macbook-reportedly-referenced-in-macos-tahoe-26-3-could-mean-trouble-for-sub-800-windows-laptops

[shell void]

i have very low expectations for these tbh

m4 air already got to like $750-800 on sales, and you can find lunar lake laptops with 32GB of ram and 1TB SSDs for $800

if these new A18 macbooks have 120Hz and eventually drop to like $500 then they could be interesting i suppose

[hoary hatch]

I think M1 MBA is still on sale for $650

Or was not too long ago

It seems like this would be a replacement for that

Oh it just went out of stock at Walmart

[topaz veldt]

Canadians are gonna spin it

[topaz veldt]

you on apple right

[shell void]

i am excited for mac day in general though

itll be cool to see M5 Max Macbook Pro, M5 Ultra Mac Studio, and the new monitors

[topaz veldt]

If I am trying to back a mac up most shit lives in /users/{username} yeah?

I did a time machine backup but that is a compressed/proprietary backup file

I want to be able to hit the files individually

[pure garnet]

what can apple strip from a budget mac to even hit that price target

[signal osprey]

base ram/storage?

if its base you might aswell get the new air

and m5 air is gonna be out in 2 weeks

[shell void]

i have no idea

[signal osprey]

instead of m5 u get a18

uh or like u get smaller trackpad

[shell void]

using last gen phone processors

[whole coral]

Up to 2 feet of snow here

My forecast explicitly calls for 23-24 inches

[pure garnet]

i don’t think 60 cents less of glass will change the bom on a laptop enough

[whole coral]

Also a chance of 30+ inches of snow depending on banding

[shell void]

A18 Pro w/ 8GB instead of M5 w/ 16GB and a cheaper design, but i really do not understand the appeal in launching a $700 neutered macbook

you can still get a M4 16GB air for $850 new on amazon

[pure garnet]

it’ll hit on college campuses

[topaz veldt]

@shell void i dunno why but i bought a mac mini

[signal osprey]

so its different and "worst" than air and pros ig? why has apple been giving base model iphones 60hz screens

apple gave airs a much smaller trackpad prior to m2

[shell void]

the base iphone has 120Hz this year so maybe this new macbook will be the start of base model macbooks having 120Hz

thatll be the only way they win me over

[shell void]

theyre adorable

what do you do on it

[topaz veldt]

I got a m4 pro jawn with 48gb and 1tb

[topaz veldt]

no idea honestly

[shell void]

XD

it probably has great resale right now because of the 48GB

[eager elm]

anyone have closed back headphone recommendations

[shell void]

yeah $2000+ used from what im seeing

[topaz veldt]

the 64gb was OOS

same with 2TB

so 48GB 1TB it is

[shell void]

DCA Aeon Noire X

[shell void]

that's a powerful mac to just have sittin around doin nothin

[topaz veldt]

it'll be like my base machine that hangs around and i can tear apart any other

I forgot my USB switch is USB-A so ordering a cable for that, but its cabled up to the 321urx nicely with BT mouse/keeb

[shell void]

oh fair enough, itll be great for doing anything except local gaming for a long time

have you tried geforce now on that?

[fervent scaffold]

3080 10gb or 9060xt 8gb

[shell void]

honestly 5060 or 5060ti

3080 falls down to 5060 performance when using the dlss 4.5 models

while using more than twice as much power and being 5+ years old

[topaz veldt]

no just got it - I think it might be OK for some gaming

my MBP M4 (non pro) does decent on some stuff

[cosmic gazelle]

holy cooked take like 0.1% of games have 4.5 right now 😭

[fervent scaffold]

I already have the 3080, picked it up for $300 usd for my wifes pc, im more curious if it was the right choice lol

[shell void]

even ignoring DLSS entirely the 3080 is only 30% more powerful while using more than twice as much power

and again it's a 5 year old used card that already performs subpar with current dlss models, itll only get worse

the used gpu market isnt good right now

[fervent scaffold]

I think it should be fine for what my wife does

Hopefully

[shell void]

oh i thought you got that a while ago and were just telling me now

that's why i mentioned resale

[fervent scaffold]

I just didn’t like idea of less than 10gb vram, and any 9060/5060 16gb cards were just way more expensive

[cosmic gazelle]

i will say the extra 2gb has mattered for me

[shell void]

pretty much any game that has dlss can be upgraded to 4.5

but yes if you mainly play older games or indie games then the 3080 is still a great value used card

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah but the difference is minimal unless you play at up

i tested it on escape from tarkov and thought it actually looked worse at quality

[shell void]

i dont always prefer the new models either to be honest

it's not a direct upgrade, it's the first generation of a new way of handling the upscaling with some pros and cons

[brisk jolt]

4070/4070S or 5060ti

i dont think I can cope with anything somewhat significantly below a 5060Ti 16gb anymore

[fervent scaffold]

3080 is already owned, at the time of looking those cards were a lot more expensive than what i got the 3080 for

[wraith steeple]

[cosmic gazelle]

i don’t know if anyone’s selling a 3080 for 300 bucks anymore tho because people on marketplace are asking $100 for a damn vanilla 1650 now

so there’s that

[brisk jolt]

ur not searching hard enough

and looking at the top idiot results

[cosmic gazelle]

no i mean i just got an rx 580 for 45 for my htpc setup

i’m just saying higher end cards might be more

[fervent scaffold]

I got the 3080 for 300usd. I know its not an insane deal, but way cheaper than a 4070s or 16gb 5060ti

On top of that, wife wanted a white build

[cosmic gazelle]

that’s a pretty good deal now with how the market has become

[steel stream]

I don't have a macbook, just watch iPad and phone

[fervent scaffold]

I couldnt find a decent white gpu for the money

[topaz veldt]

@shell void its this one

[fervent scaffold]

It was $700 out the door like 2 weeks ago for everything

[cosmic gazelle]

bet that thing gets so many fps in resident evil village lmao

[cosmic gazelle]

nice aesthetic

[fervent scaffold]

Over the top for me, but it’s what my wife wanted

[brisk jolt]

3080 for 300 usd isnt bad, over here its about 350 usd/450 SGD

[cosmic gazelle]

my next build will be no rgb all black lol

[brisk jolt]

the 4070 is normally 600 sgd or 450 usd

[fervent scaffold]

Yeah that was too much for me, considering what she plays

[shell void]

beastly little machine

[shell void]

that looks great

[fervent scaffold]

I mean i slapped in a i7 8700k, i think even the 3080 is overkill for what she needs

[cosmic gazelle]

i still play most new aaa games on high settings so it’s still more than good enough

ooh 8700k is certainly aging more than the 3080 lol

[shell void]

i think it's a balanced config

[fervent scaffold]

Yeah I wanted the 9900k but people ask WAY too much for that used still

[brisk jolt]

another day no 5070 mini

[cosmic gazelle]

depends on the res but in newer aaa titles the gpu is going to be sitting at 60% util

[fervent scaffold]

But i got the strix z370e + 8700k together for $100usd

[cosmic gazelle]

as a guy who came from a 5800x and 3080

[cosmic gazelle]

pretty good deal

[fervent scaffold]

The craziest deal was the ram lmao

[brisk jolt]

I started with a 5600 but tbh its a weak chip, current me would suffer on it

[fervent scaffold]

Ddr4, i know, but brand new 32gb kit for $60usd in this market

[cosmic gazelle]

where’d you find a brand new kit for that price

[shell void]

you need to be forced to use an i5 2400 so that you have perspective

[south shuttle]

95% enough for most users

[brisk jolt]

the worst ive dealt with was literally somewhere around that

[fervent scaffold]

Kid bought 64gb for his unit, only used 32, left the other in box, i don’t think he knew what the ram market is doing

[shell void]

yes 3080 is still a competent card and i still think it's the best value used GPU

[cosmic gazelle]

poor guy lol

[south shuttle]

rember 7800xt? it's only 1 gen old

[shell void]

i was just explaining why i would personally rather have a 5060 if im shopping in that price range

[brisk jolt]

the absolute worst ive done was with a fucking chromebook

[brisk jolt]

way past expiration milk

[south shuttle]

i'd have a 5060 if electricity is $$$ and 3080 if $

[fervent scaffold]

Messaged him and showed up within the hour, he had it listed for $80, i had 2 super cheap 140mm fans sitting around, he took those and $60

[cosmic gazelle]

i have a windows mini pc that basically has a chromebook cpu in it, thing runs minecraft vanilla at like 10 FPS it’s great

[fervent scaffold]

By cheap i mean came with some insanely dog shit amazon case

[south shuttle]

also we don't know how long will amd support rx 7000 and 9000, if they do it again what they did to rdna/2 they may not receive the best driver support in 3-4 years

[frank cypress]

"weak chip" 😭 ?

5600 is still fine

[brisk jolt]

I have a T30, 2 thermalright slim fans and the aorus master fan literally sitting around

[cosmic gazelle]

ue5 shader compilation enters the ring

[brisk jolt]

its fine for a beginner in this age- I personally would prefer an 8 core AM4 chip

[hoary hatch]

Walmart has been selling the m1 air 8/256 got $650 for a couple years now

[cosmic gazelle]

this is so cooked wtf 😭

[brisk jolt]

if its just valorant or what not sure tbh

[cosmic gazelle]

isn’t the m4 one $600?

[wraith steeple]

What mental illness am I looking at?

[fervent scaffold]

Wym, its perfect 🔥🔥

[shell void]

i would take the i7 8700K over anything AM4 that isnt X3D

[frank cypress]

i mean I would too... but i wouldn't call it weak still

[brisk jolt]

nah…. I personally think its weak

[cosmic gazelle]

never have an opinion again 🔥🔥🔥

[hoary hatch]

No lol

[brisk jolt]

If i look back at it its like pressing the accelerator all the way and you’re decelerating

[shell void]

womp womp bro tuned 8700k still outperforms ryzen 5000 vanilla in games, and getting a z370 board with an 8700k for $100usd total is a great value

[hoary hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[fervent scaffold]

My golf driving against some wind

[cosmic gazelle]

literally no shot -25% single threaded performance gets better framerates

[brisk jolt]

my 5600 on a PS120Evo was cool but still struggling to maintain above like 90 FPS on NFS heat

[fervent scaffold]

Hey, it was just a tossed together $700 build for rainbow 6, fortnite, and rocket league (wife games)

8700k wasn’t my top choice but im extremely happy for the money

[shell void]

an 8700k and z370 board for $100 is great

[brisk jolt]

tbh i rather go LGA 1700 over AM4 rn due to the shit situation of AM4X3D chips

[cosmic gazelle]

no i think you got a great deal no one’s arguing that

[shell void]

i dont see how you couldve done better

[civic reef]

Is NFS heat a particularly heavy game?

[signal osprey]

yeah it was a really good deal a while back then but now you might as well get m5 air when it comes out, or u might find m4 air for a bit discounted

[fervent scaffold]

I wanted to get her a 12600k and a ddr4 mobo, but good luck finding one in white

For a decent deal

[civic reef]

Isn't a 5600 pretty much a 14400 with 6 Cores?

[fervent scaffold]

Same with anything am4 in white

[brisk jolt]

its decently heavy

[civic reef]

Wait errr
What about a 12600/K? Or?

[brisk jolt]

12400

[civic reef]

I don't quite remember its equivalent

[civic reef]

Oh
What about the x? Same thing?

[brisk jolt]

12400 edges out the non x

[cosmic gazelle]

also horrendously optimized as they are still using frostbite from what i remember

[brisk jolt]

12400 i believe is still like a few % better

than the x

[civic reef]

Huh, that's interesting

[cosmic gazelle]

12400 was/is the budget king for a long while

[civic reef]

Why's that? I've heard the 5600x is quite the budget chip compared to Intel offerings

[brisk jolt]

I was using a 5600 and 4070 super on a F tier PSU

I was so CPU bottlenecked in general

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-computer-fire-gif-21352118

[civic reef]

I'd buy a 12400 but it's like $130 and the 5600x is $88

[civic reef]

One second

[fringe vigil]

cop

[hoary hatch]

I'd argue the Walmart m1 air hasn't been a good deal for a while, cause you can get that for a lot cheaper used, or for the same price get a used newer MacBook

I haven't seen m2/3/4 sold for that low outside of some clearance maybe when making room for the bee models

[cosmic gazelle]

5600x is better for those prices

[brisk jolt]

imo I’d rather get the 12700K, seems like a pretty good chip if you’re locked out from raptor lakes

[civic reef]

Game looks quite nice, but.. Recommends a 1300X.. Odd

[cosmic gazelle]

i mean that’s probably a lot more in this person’s region tho

12700 non k still sell for 200 bucks in the usa

[fervent scaffold]

Currently selling a 5800x, wraith prism, asus tuf x570, and 4x8gb ddr4 all as 1 unit

You think itd be easier in today’s market

[shell void]

14600KF was beyond goated when it was $225 a couple of weeks ago

that with a $90 B760M DDR4 board was a budget screamer

[cosmic gazelle]

gotta just use an ebay auction it’ll get you the money you’re looking for

[brisk jolt]

the real kicker was NFS unbound pushing me slightly below 60

[signal osprey]

oh what i meant was when m2 air was released 650 for an m1 air still pretty good but then m4 air was just too good of a deal compared to it

[cosmic gazelle]

idk what it was but unbound just… didn’t do it for me

didn’t scratch the nfs itch

[brisk jolt]

I think unbound was half done

[cosmic gazelle]

the weird characters really kinda ruined it for me

[brisk jolt]

I made the swap from a 5600 to a 9800x3d within launch week

[cosmic gazelle]

i just want a nfs game like rivals was. no stupid live action cutscenes that no one has ever wanted. just good customization and running from the cops

[civic reef]

I didn't think the Need For Speed games were THAT heavy, bloody hell..

[brisk jolt]

stand proud you were a good chip itself

[cosmic gazelle]

it’s basically just unbound, payback is pretty easy to run afaik

[devout ridge]

if you don't want it, i'll take it

[little bobcat]

What is the difference between the the rog azoth normam and extreme

[brisk jolt]

its long gone

[devout ridge]

google.com

[brisk jolt]

payback is literally a 2017 title

[dawn plover]

NFS Heat is visually a really pretty game, I loved the art style

[civic reef]

I'll have to Google these, I haven't had any knowledge within NFS since I played MW 2012 when I was errr... 7?

Back in 2018 was it?

Or 8 in 2019

[dawn plover]

I never finished NFS Heat bcs I got bored with the story tho lol

[brisk jolt]

this is a decently old pic for me

[cosmic gazelle]

heat and payback are like the same title

[frank cypress]

calm down jeffrey bezos

[cosmic gazelle]

that run pretty similarly from what i remember

[civic reef]

Ooooo DeepCool

[wraith steeple]

My first NFS games were High Stakes and Hot Pursuit (98)

[civic reef]

Mine was MW 2012

[cosmic gazelle]

@civic reef heat and payback both get roughly 40-50fps at 1080p medium on a 1050 ti

so that tells you how demanding those were

[civic reef]

Not too demanding it seems

What's going on with Sestuna then, and going below 60 in heat with a 5600 system?

[cosmic gazelle]

i think he means the new one

unbound was a different engine

looked and performed way worse imo

[civic reef]

There's two?

Oh unbound is 2022

[shell void]

this is flipping awesome

[cosmic gazelle]

clean

[brisk jolt]

dude always has lit SFF builds

[civic reef]

That looks great

[brisk jolt]

Im highk considering a redmagic astra tablet

fuckkk, matte coating

nvm its the dudes screen protector

[pure garnet]

@shell void i have purchased 3 additional copies of final fantasy xiv today

[shell void]

did u introduce 3 new people to the game?

[pure garnet]

no i went to a retro game store and bought 3 cupholders for $5

[merry stirrup]

kyo with 3 friends?

[pure garnet]

more than u fr

[merry stirrup]

bro i need 8 jellyfin transcodes at once

[pure garnet]

xiv too hard to get into to rec to homies

[merry stirrup]

you need half of one

;(

[pure garnet]

nah i just don't transcode

if the homies can't direct play the homies aren't homies

[merry stirrup]

😭💀

[shell void]

i saw that mabinogi eternal (the remake in UE5) development is still ongoing which i am hype about

i launched mabinogi yesterday to test performance in a busy trading city, and i was dropping to 16fps

absolutely peak

[pure garnet]

what kind of nonrespecting homie make you waste compute to playback the garfield movie

[merry stirrup]

that’s less of a waste of compute than 3/4 of the things i let my computer do

[civic reef]

Board power phases are confusing

Sometimes it's simple enough - The amount of black squares is the phases

Sometimes it's not even close

[turbid locust]

Expecting similar performance in UE5

[merry stirrup]

and none of it is important

nice to know that you have a true 12 phase but for our purposes it’s no different than a 6 with doublers

[civic reef]

I mean, it's nice to have, knowing I can install a higher power chip without much worry

Slotting in something like a 5700X3D whenever those get cheaper

Retiring the 5600x to an A320 system LOL

[merry stirrup]

the differences don’t affect you

this is genuinely only a concern if you’re buying the lowest possible end board you can find on the socket

and please just don’t do that

[civic reef]

Okey dokey

Buying a 4+2 phase A520!!!!!

[merry stirrup]

guess what it would work for every chip on am4

mostly fine or entirely fine

4 phases at a low 50a each is still a lot of freaking amps bro

vrm phase count is not about how well the board is delivering power really

just about how efficient it is at doing that

[civic reef]

Then why do I keep getting told it has a chance of killing something if I use a low phase board on a higher end chip 💔

[merry stirrup]

the boards with the high phase counts don’t even use all of the phases at once

[merry stirrup]

because people are braindead and don’t understand that power delivery is in fact not rocket science

[merry stirrup]

because this isn’t efficient

[civic reef]

Oh
Fair enough

[merry stirrup]

and would produce extra waste heat for the vrm to handle

[civic reef]

Wait, is 50A a low current rating for phases?

[merry stirrup]

not unless you’re doing something on the computer to warrant all of the phases be on

there’s 80a phases, yes

i would assume most things are at 50 nowadays low end

/just as standard

[pure garnet]

people got a LOT of brain rot with vrm around the launch of zen 2/3 when the tdps increased

[civic reef]

I doubt I'll even reach the maximum amperage that's even required to test them

[merry stirrup]

not on am4

simply

[civic reef]

The 5600x is a 65W chip

I = U/P

Oh wait that's not a valid equation here

[merry stirrup]

on am4 your goal is to buy the cheapest board with a vrm heatsink and otherwise the other features you want

[civic reef]

That just gave me 0.18A

[merry stirrup]

volts times amps = watts

[civic reef]

Yeah I know

P = UI

[merry stirrup]

assume 1.2 volts and at 150a that’s 180w

which is not a lot

[civic reef]

It's a triangle
P is above all
So it's
P
UI

I = P/U

Oops

[merry stirrup]

1.2 volts is a reasonable operating voltage to assume for basically any desktop silicon rn (although high) but a ballpark

[civic reef]

My apologies I removed the equation from my memory since now we moved onto basic laws of motion (which I still don't get)

[civic reef]

Oh I was inputting 12v since that's what eps delivers
Oops

[pure garnet]

1.2v at all core seems unrealistic too

[merry stirrup]

not really

my 5700g requests more than that actually

but it is kinda broken so grain of salt

[civic reef]

Which I definitely cannot handle with a 550W and 5700 XT

[merry stirrup]

but the point is that 180w isn’t happening on an am4 chip at all lol

[pure garnet]

at all core load my 9800x3d is sitting right around 1.06v

[civic reef]

65/1.2 = 54A

Seems close to what my i7 4770 was taking

[merry stirrup]

you have an x3d cpu i dont think you should use that for avg consumer silicon

[civic reef]

Which was near 45A last I checked

[merry stirrup]

the cpus that blew up if they got too hot or drew too much power originally

[pure garnet]

vdroop still applies in general though

[merry stirrup]

vdroop is not that extreme most of the time lol

[civic reef]

So it's moreso what each phase can handle, rather than total phase count?

[merry stirrup]

ur not losing 90mv on load line/routing losses on default settings

[civic reef]

I'll try to keep that in mind whenever I am looking at boards

[pure garnet]

wrong word

[merry stirrup]

tbh it’s kind of a nothing burger

[pure garnet]

either way yeah you're not blowing up a cheap a520 with a ryzen 5

[merry stirrup]

you get heatsinks, more or greater than 4 vcore phases, and you’re good for any am4 chip

[pure garnet]

you'd have to run like what, 400w through it?

[civic reef]

I mean, the A520 doesn't have the features I need anyway

[pure garnet]

to exceed the limits

[civic reef]

It's still an option though when I retire the 5600x

[merry stirrup]

assuming 50a stages yeah it’d be a crap ton

only issue is overheating vrm so yeah get a heatsink

[pure garnet]

granted the vrms would just overheat and throttle before that anyway

[merry stirrup]

yeah lol

[civic reef]

Yeah 50A

[pure garnet]

unless you're that one guy

[civic reef]

4+2 it seems

[pure garnet]

who disables vrm throttling and watches his powerdelivery explode

[civic reef]

Unless some being vertical (next to the socket) and some horizontal (above it) doesn't mean doesn't X + Y

[merry stirrup]

not really

but it’s probably a 4+2 yea

[civic reef]

Sounds like Jerryrigseverything

[shell void]

sadly it’ll probably be WAYYYY better after being remade in UE5

[civic reef]

Oh wait, says 6 phase

[merry stirrup]

the # + # is the arragwment of the phase

[civic reef]

It's an A520M-HVS

This thingamabob

[merry stirrup]

so x phases are powering cpu vcore
x phases power memory
x phases power igpu

[pure garnet]

knew it was asrock immediately

[merry stirrup]

it’s very obviously a 4+1+1 or 4+2 or however you wanna call it tho

[pure garnet]

well the big giant things aren't vrms

[merry stirrup]

it’s 6 total phases

[civic reef]

The black cubes?

[civic reef]

4+1+1 is more clear for functionality

[merry stirrup]

https://static.beebom.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/PWM.jpg?w=640

[pure garnet]

the asrockboard is ugly so im using this one instead

[merry stirrup]

a helpful photo

[pure garnet]

but the actual vrm is the stuff in the back yeah

[merry stirrup]

we generally refer the mosfets as most of the vrm yes

those are the jawns that need cooling

[devout ridge]

mosfets get toasty

[merry stirrup]

yeah but they can also hit 110c so it’s like

meh

[civic reef]

Huh, all stuff I don't know!!!! - Except capacitors to a basic degree

[devout ridge]

they get toasty, but handle toast just fine

[civic reef]

Resistors too oops

[merry stirrup]

yeah

resilient buggers

[civic reef]

What are the chokes supposed to be

[merry stirrup]

i think it’s the final stage of output filtering idk specifically

[civic reef]

Oh, okay

[pure garnet]

yeah it just filters

[merry stirrup]

emi and that

it’s basically a capacitor but different

[civic reef]

Still confused.. How do I identify phases from just an image? Through the number of VRMs?

[merry stirrup]

that’s the sick part you don’t

[civic reef]

Since I assume each phase has a

[merry stirrup]

you just make an educated guess for the most part

[civic reef]

Oh

[merry stirrup]

cause who knows if they’re using doublers or even tripling the phase count

i mean many people but that takes experience to be able to point out on board

realistically what you do is find the PWM/VRM controller of the board and give it a google

[pure garnet]

you need a much higher res image than the renders they provide to go identifying controllers

[merry stirrup]

and hwinfo will generally tell you it exactly

[civic reef]

Yeah.. Would only be useful through physical access, since I doubt any board I need to research the power delivery for has a high quality image

[merry stirrup]

yeah but the other qualifying requirements are already above

[civic reef]

Many thanks for all this info though, atleast now I am not incorrectly guessing phases from the number of black cubes on a board

[merry stirrup]

vrm heatsink ( not optional)
has the features you want (not optional)
cheap (optional)

for am4’s purposes anything with a vrm heatsink is enough

if it’s not i will personally send you a fan to point at your vrm

[civic reef]

I assume a VRM Heatsink is well, a normal Heatsink? Like this one?

[merry stirrup]

looks good yeah

covers the mosfets

/most of them

the 2 stages left uncovered are probably memory and igpu

also it’s very common for there to be 2 pwm controllers on a component

[civic reef]

Yeah probably

Hmmmm.. Not seeing any sort of pwm on this

[merry stirrup]

using kyokos beautiful 970 here for this example

that first guy, Q12 is the controller for memory

and this much larger one (i’m pretty sure) is for vcore vrm

[civic reef]

Looks tiny for a memory controller

[merry stirrup]

not a memory controller

a memory power delivery controller

[civic reef]

OH

[merry stirrup]

i am

[civic reef]

Okay yeah fair enough
iirc VRAM takes like 20W so.. Yeah, small controller seems fair

[brave panther]

1 power stage moment

[civic reef]

Either of these two?

[merry stirrup]

likely not

best bet is always by the power delivery itself

on the 970 the controllers are directly opposite of the power delivery

like PCB wise anyways

they’re directly under it

[civic reef]

I am seeing what looks like two VRMs near each black box

Which I still don't know what the name of is yet

[merry stirrup]

here’s another VRM controller from a 580

[civic reef]

Oh, interesting