tech-chat-2

[fervent chasm]

is it? What’s the performance like compared to 9950x3d?

[patent gorge]

but why should you build a separate system

[cosmic gazelle]

way worse but still pretty good

[merry stirrup]

yes it is but if you wanted faster for gaming you wouldn’t be bought it

[merry stirrup]

because ram can’t make a 9995wx have faster cores

[fervent chasm]

Btw when I first bought the parts for the system it was so I could have 4 PCs in 1 that I split my GPU between

[pure garnet]

the better question is why are you buying a consumer platform if you need that much ram

[steel stream]

idk if you can even afford the ice

[cosmic gazelle]

i was more so saying like, a full time video editor who plays games sometimes or something idk

[merry stirrup]

a full time video editor has enough money for 2 computers and probably wants that

this is the whole scenario i’m getting at here

[fervent chasm]

Holy shit I just had an idea

[patent gorge]

then again 9995wx can already easily run 2TB of ram at 6400 because it's RDIMM with a good IMC

[merry stirrup]

6400 isn’t a good ram speed

[fervent chasm]

My case can do 2 mobos, is there any really tiny mobo that has 4 dimms?

[pure garnet]

9133 or bust

[patent gorge]

considering almost everyone runs ryzens at 6000, 6400 is a pretty good speed lol

[fervent chasm]

4x48 + 4x32 build

[merry stirrup]

yeah i run at ddr5 10600

[pure garnet]

isn't 6400 rdimm in gear 2

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-idea-have-angel-mr-gif-22114962

[merry stirrup]

i don’t think so idk

[pure garnet]

im pretty sure all the threadrippers only do 2:1

the new ones at least

[fervent chasm]

Well it chose 4400MT/s when set to auto

which is below JEDEC I think

[merry stirrup]

people who are buying the big core count configs with big memory generally need their computer for that and that is what it’s “fast” in, while gaming remains more than quick enough to enjoy yourself

[cyan canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drugs-drug-snow-animal-gif-10335506710319479131

[fervent chasm]

lol

[merry stirrup]

the opposite applies for people who buy gaming pcs and do some productivity on the side

the scenarios where speed and capacity are starting to conflict is like, db caching or something

[fervent chasm]

What about 4 gaming PCs in 1

[pure garnet]

yeah

[merry stirrup]

10 gamers 1 cpu

[fervent chasm]

I think the 285k can handle 5 game(r)s

[merry stirrup]

i don’t

[fervent chasm]

13900kf was able to handle 3

[merry stirrup]

thing hits like 70% cpu usage in apex soemtimes

[merry stirrup]

not bad i think you’d just run outta p too quick

[fervent chasm]

Where’s 13th gen

[merry stirrup]

285k vs 13900k is minute

so it’d probably be the same

and you lose threads which may matter

[fervent chasm]

Hyper-V is pretty good at resource management so in reality I can set all VMs to use all cores and it should work fine

[pure garnet]

the 14900k is in there anyway

[merry stirrup]

what a system man

[fervent chasm]

It booted 5000MT/s

[patent gorge]

is that a testbench

[fervent chasm]

Is the memory training supposed to feel faster between 13900kf and 285k? I feel like it shouldn’t

Maybe I’m misremembering how long it took

[merry stirrup]

yeah

[steel stream]

when did you get b580?

[merry stirrup]

A750

And idk yesterday

this too

[steel stream]

oh lol I thought it was a b580

[merry stirrup]

i think it’s similar on my setups

[topaz veldt]

I do love the intel gpus tho

[merry stirrup]

really pretty

[topaz veldt]

I only sold mine because they were just more shit to lay around

[merry stirrup]

idk if it’s a me thing but apparently you can’t overclock the ram on them

probably transcoding or i’ll get my 3080 back from my gf with it

[topaz veldt]

Hmmmm I forget

I do know that OC on them was like insalely tempermental

[fervent chasm]

Is it any good with any codec?

[merry stirrup]

3080 would be fun to blow up again

[merry stirrup]

mine seems to just do the max supported offset

[topaz veldt]

I think this new BIOS for Z890 Apex might be ass

[merry stirrup]

2.7ghz just like dat

[turbid locust]

deditated wam

[shell void]

i’ve never tried tuning my b580

i haven’t even launched a game on it

its been a hdmi adapter since i bought it

[merry stirrup]

i’ve done 3 fire strike runs

[steel stream]

my b580 did handbrake benchmarks, gamed in my brothers system, now lives in my nas

[arctic bronze]

10 cpus 1 gamer

[fervent chasm]

@topaz veldt

Remember what we were talking about

[shell void]

@edgy laurel new sub2 dev vlog, maybe we are actually getting it this year

[fervent chasm]

Oh no it can’t even post 5400

I have to look back at our chats floppa and see what we did to run 5600 stable

[steel stream]

say whattttt

[topaz veldt]

No I don't

[shell void]

me and the tc2 boys hopping in multiplayer subnautica 2 early access

[fervent chasm]

The active cooling for SSDs

[topaz veldt]

But that's not active cooling

[fervent chasm]

I know but it’s chonky it reminded me of it

[steel stream]

gotta see whos gonna die first

[topaz veldt]

I never said SSDs don't need heatsinks

[fervent chasm]

Oh I found it

[shell void]

why are you sick reacting to subnautica 2 snail?

[fervent chasm]

I know you just said that one we were talking about was shit and not worth to cool

[topaz veldt]

its just that the 9100 Pro, no matter what heatsink, overheats

[merry stirrup]

i think it’s gonna do linux now

[topaz veldt]

I did not like Subnautica

[shell void]

GOONER GAME

i’m sold

[fervent chasm]

Rivals is a gooner game

Yah I have to clear cmos again ffs can’t even post 5400

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-itinsistsuponitself-gif-26249772

[pure garnet]

are you even touching the voltages or just sending shit and praying auto does all the work

[merry stirrup]

submautica to me was too boring

[fervent chasm]

Auto till I cap then changing stuff

[shell void]

if you’re doing 4x48 then i would immediately punch in 1.25vsoc

[pure garnet]

you’re just wasting time

[pure garnet]

they’re on core ultra

[shell void]

o

[fervent chasm]

It can do 5k auto

[steel stream]

how dare you

[topaz veldt]

Anyone have a Ring Doorbell?

[merry stirrup]

1.4 sa
1.4 vdd2
1.45 tx (what your sample likes)

[steel stream]

my parents do

[merry stirrup]

highest you can boot at those, daily that

[topaz veldt]

is it hardwired?

[fervent chasm]

No timings stuff?

[steel stream]

think so

[merry stirrup]

i’m giving you baselines

[topaz veldt]

do you have access to it in the app

[merry stirrup]

you adjust from there use those cpu side voltages

memory side voltages are what you deem to be safe

[fervent chasm]

You said memory training takes as long as it wants to right? Should I just keep waiting until I get a boot failure screen?

[steel stream]

I don't nah, but we were talking about it the other day

in the famly GC

[merry stirrup]

yes, change memory retry count to 1/the minimum

[fervent chasm]

Or after a certain point do I just use the jumper

[merry stirrup]

i mean yeah if it doesn’t turn on you’re gonna need to fix that

[topaz veldt]

i have a hardwired one that just went offline the other day but its been like -5 to 5 deg, it seems even though its hardwired it NEEDS the battery, and my running theory is that the battery ran down in the cold. But otherwise, I dunno wtf it went offline for days

[steel stream]

oh wack. Surely they could have figured out a solution that doesn't need the battery

[pure garnet]

does the board not have a post code

[fervent chasm]

Oh I forgot about those

[fervent chasm]

That’s cool I don’t remember my old board having the option to change anything about memory training

[topaz veldt]

I think this is it

annoying AF

[pure garnet]

whats the point of wiring it if all it does is charge a battery

[merry stirrup]

meant for if your power goes out and someone breaks in

it is however annoying that it doesn’t work lol

[topaz veldt]

if your power goes out you have no internet

i think its lazy engineering

[merry stirrup]

does it not have local recording?

[fervent chasm]

VDD2 CPU?

[merry stirrup]

yeahc

[topaz veldt]

no

[fervent chasm]

SA is Internal VCCSA?

[fervent chasm]

And tx is VDDQ CPU?

[topaz veldt]

yes

[fervent chasm]

Just wanna make sure again SA is VCCSA it makes sense but because of Asus I’m scared to change the wrong voltages

[topaz veldt]

yes

what do you mean because of ASUS lol

[fervent chasm]

The old board was Asus and had different terms for everything compared to the other boards

I say everything I’m over exaggerating but a lot of stuff was different

[topaz veldt]

yes thats BIOS

what are you trying to do

[fervent chasm]

See how fast I can get the 192gb running

Stable

[topaz veldt]

I am going to guess 5600

[fervent chasm]

Alright I’m trying 5200 with it

[fervent chasm]

That was the old high

[turbid locust]

This is a fair take

[fervent chasm]

I was hoping the better IMC and mobo would help

[merry stirrup]

z890 should do substantially better

[merry stirrup]

so real

once you get past that tho asus bios pretty peak

[topaz veldt]

though to be fair ASUS at least, for timings, provides the short word for everything in BIOS

[merry stirrup]

generally bug free and fast

[fervent chasm]

When there are bugs are they bad

[turbid locust]

It is tbh

Asus has the sauce

[merry stirrup]

yeah like the pbo menu not working on am4 boards in the ai tweaker

its just always ignored i checked

[topaz veldt]

Well you can look at ASUS boards working and ASRock still hasn't acknowledged that 95% of failed AM5 CPUs are in their socket

[turbid locust]

unless you’re on the purposely nerfed Asus blue bios

[pure garnet]

i should buy a z890 apex fr

[fervent chasm]

That’s what I tested and it seems to have booted

[merry stirrup]

yeah its weird i hate asus

[topaz veldt]

buy mine

[turbid locust]

no

[topaz veldt]

why are we at 5200 if you had 5600?

[merry stirrup]

spotify occasionally handing me a classic

[turbid locust]

Floppa did I tell you I got 8600 booted on z790 lmao

[merry stirrup]

yeah

8400 bench

[fervent chasm]

That was on old board and cpu I’ve moved and just trying to get anything above JEDEC rn with minimal changes

[merry stirrup]

im top 4 hd7950 single card in firestrike now lol

[fervent chasm]

Nvm lol windows already froze on the boot screen

[pure garnet]

but core tuning for my dead end socket

[merry stirrup]

top 1% but the 970 is gonna have to wait till i have a higher power iron so next week

cause i have basically mangled the card with my 45w iron i figured it would be ok cause it was fine on the 7950

not really just a fat glob of solder bridging a couple things that doesnt want to melt or wick up cause low watt

[topaz veldt]

I told you this is not going to go well

[merry stirrup]

so i cant even power it on anymore 💀

but ill get an 862D next week

[pure garnet]

i need a 3rd z890 board for my 1 265k

[turbid locust]

it’s not worth it. Asrock will eventually fix their bios for that board lol

[merry stirrup]

hopefully

[fervent chasm]

It’s definitely a user error it ran 5600 just fine and can’t do 5200 on the new setup

[topaz veldt]

Did you guy see KitGuru on X870E Taichi OCF?

[merry stirrup]

i think?

[topaz veldt]

If it doesn't auto 5200 its not user error

[merry stirrup]

was the old setup z790

[fervent chasm]

some d4 board

[topaz veldt]

hard set it to 1.4v/ddq, CL46 52 52 128

[merry stirrup]

wha

[fervent chasm]

Oh oops sorry

I’m thinking of my old old setup

[merry stirrup]

so yes it was z790

[fervent chasm]

Probably

[topaz veldt]

lol what

[merry stirrup]

you cant just expect it to work at the same settings it did last time thats not how this works

[turbid locust]

what board are we currently working on

[merry stirrup]

its completely different, the cpu is NOT the same

this is not a ryzen situation where every cpu is gimped by the same soc die and then they just swap out the cores

[pure garnet]

just put the jedec in the bag

[turbid locust]

what platform is dude on rn

[steel stream]

what is this system even for

[merry stirrup]

z890 i think idk

[turbid locust]

how are we not doing 5600 on z890

[pure garnet]

a low end gigabyte z890 4 dimmer trying to do 4x 2r h24m

[merry stirrup]

192gb

[turbid locust]

oh lmao

[merry stirrup]

he had a good z790 board prior if i remember right idk

[fervent chasm]

Gigabtye Z890 GAMING X WIFI7

[devout ridge]

kek

[pure garnet]

there’s a 60% chance it just explodes

[turbid locust]

me when I nerf my performance by adding ram I don’t need

[fervent chasm]

No it was a shit one

[merry stirrup]

the aorus pro x?

[fervent chasm]

No

It came with the prebuilt

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/nachoduty-gif-22831985

[fervent chasm]

Looked shitty was shitty

[merry stirrup]

i see

[cosmic gazelle]

dude

[topaz veldt]

bro insists on 192GB in 4 DIMMs

[turbid locust]

#tech-chat-2 message

[cosmic gazelle]

9900k are 200 bucks rn wtf

[fervent chasm]

That’s not it

[turbid locust]

What do you need 192gb for

[pure garnet]

honestly take 2 sticks out until you get a hang of what voltages do

[merry stirrup]

the arc card so GOOD MAN

[pure garnet]

you’re starting on the wrong side of the pool

[fervent chasm]

3VMs + host running windows

[topaz veldt]

When it comes to large amounts of RAM:
[ ] Affordable
[ ] Reliable
[ ] Fast

Pick 2.

[turbid locust]

so you need a home server not 192gb in main rig

[steel stream]

why does each VM need 48GB

[fervent chasm]

this is a home server and my main

[turbid locust]

yeah don’t do that

[merry stirrup]

do you see the prollem here

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-mood-me-face-gif-7842240

[fervent chasm]

Each 32 + whatever else

[merry stirrup]

shoulda kept your old setup too

[topaz veldt]

what on earth do you need 32GB for in a VM

[merry stirrup]

then gave it a kit of ram from your main

[fervent chasm]

They share the GPU, point was to not need 4 PCs, instead 4 thin client to remote into it and share resources

[pure garnet]

how long would it take to 50000% karhu 192gb of ram

[fervent chasm]

They’re all daily’s technically

[topaz veldt]

sharing the GPU for what?

[pure garnet]

way too long i’d assume

[turbid locust]

87 years

[fervent chasm]

Anything, mainly gaming

[steel stream]

6-7 years

[topaz veldt]

This is incredibly impractical

[pure garnet]

why are you even overlocking this machine then 😭

[merry stirrup]

the arc cool

[turbid locust]

yeah literally run jedec

[fervent chasm]

Just wanted to see how fast it can go

[pure garnet]

just leave it at jedec so the hopes and dreams that fuel that setup stay alive

[steel stream]

aarc goated man

[turbid locust]

it’s not like XMP is faster than jedec anyway

[merry stirrup]

refi and faw man

and rfc

legit all you gotta change

[pure garnet]

does faw not auto 32

[topaz veldt]

no

[merry stirrup]

faw meaning like all the pieces to it too i didnt bother to type

rrds and faw

[topaz veldt]

not auto 32 all the time

[merry stirrup]

does for me but rrdl is always some fuckass value

[pure garnet]

i haven’t looked at what a board autos since the ocf so i just assumed it did

[edgy laurel]

👀 will check this later

[pure garnet]

none of my amd systems have ever used expo

[merry stirrup]

is 72fps in timespy anything

[pure garnet]

it’s always just jedec or a tune

[merry stirrup]

man gpus are beyond me

[topaz veldt]

but again as I told Daniel the other day - the people who need 192GB don't want it unstable

[pure garnet]

yeah

[steel stream]

yeah no idea

[pure garnet]

especially if you have multiple users of the machine

it needs to be stable and reliable

[fervent chasm]

Well I am trying to see highest stable

[merry stirrup]

ok so apparently 14k gpu score is like cracked so we'll see what i can get

[edgy laurel]

i dunno what you're doing but its cool

[fervent chasm]

Guys I don’t need over JEDEC, I just wanted to see how fast it can go stable just to see it

[topaz veldt]

thats on the package

[merry stirrup]

this time im just running an arc card and overclocking it (no hardware mods)
but wdym

[pure garnet]

you’re aware posting doesn’t mean stable right

[fervent chasm]

Yes

I ran OCCT for the 5600 one

And all the ones before that

[pure garnet]

a whole hour????

[merry stirrup]

ok floppa prediction th is is gonna be 13.8k pts based off previous timespy exp

[fervent chasm]

Yes this was months ago I spent days

[pure garnet]

dude for that much ram you’re looking at like

[merry stirrup]

heres proof its not done yet

[pure garnet]

a long ass time stress testing

[fervent chasm]

Yes lol I know

[merry stirrup]

i was way off LOL

[topaz veldt]

to fully, reliably test 192GB you need a 95% coverage of capacity for like 5 days

[fervent chasm]

I was very in tune with how to OC because floppa basically taught me

[pure garnet]

a final just run jedec has hit

[fervent chasm]

I just forgot a lot and now I’ve got the stuff to see how high it can really go, trying to see if I can get it higher

[fringe vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-squint-chicken-gif-3745278061410768328

[merry stirrup]

i continue forward first run was 12k

[steel stream]

bit worse than 28K

[fervent chasm]

floppa remember when the AI tune did better than yours but only for a few minutes

[merry stirrup]

yeah

[pure garnet]

i put the ocf on my desk but i don’t know if im getting to it today

but if i don’t do it today i can’t do it until friday

[merry stirrup]

i wish i could actually run on my desk but i cant

[fervent chasm]

I’m gonna see if I can recreate the 5600 stuff on this setup, I shouldn’t have to worry about voltages if they’re the same right?

[topaz veldt]

I just reinstalled windows on my 285k because I f'd it up with RAM OC

[merry stirrup]

voltages are completely different cpu side

[pure garnet]

oh no i’m gonna just daily it for the gskill comp

[topaz veldt]

they're not the same at all its an entirely different platform

[fervent chasm]

I had to reinstall many times from the OC because corruption

[steel stream]

been there done that

[topaz veldt]

Yes but I am chasing 9000+

not 5600 😛

[fervent chasm]

This was on the 13900kf tho

[merry stirrup]

i am gonna blow my shit up for the gskill oc comp i fear

[pure garnet]

i am also chasing 9000+

[edgy laurel]

wait, this is a thing and some of you are actually doing it? neat

[pure garnet]

yeah

[merry stirrup]

me mac and kyoko are doing it

[edgy laurel]

Ahh, nice https://www.gskill.com/community/1502239313/1739270308/G.SKILL-Announces-OC-World-Cup-2025-Competition-with-$40000-USD-Total-Cash-Prize-Pool

[pure garnet]

meant to reply to guilty but yeah

[steel stream]

damn you guys are gonna get 40K?

[merry stirrup]

rn guilty im basically practicing making content

[fervent chasm]

Wait wtf

[pure garnet]

no we’re doing the online one to win ram

[topaz veldt]

yeah we're gonna try to do things

[pure garnet]

unless we magically do well enough to get an invite to taiwan

[fervent chasm]

Look at this

[merry stirrup]

capture card setup, score overlay, allat

[fervent chasm]

That’s cool

[edgy laurel]

if one of you legitimately gets past the qualifier and gets invited, that would be sick

[merry stirrup]

we'll seeeee

[steel stream]

floppa going to taiwan

[merry stirrup]

i reckon itll be people like seby and stuff again

[pure garnet]

i would assume the only one of us with a decent enough chip would be the floppa

[merry stirrup]

i would love to just to watch

[steel stream]

Mac will get invited to taiwan but somehow will end up in Azerbaijan

[topaz veldt]

I cleared off my bench in the garage for some nice temps

[topaz veldt]

where he'll listen to chris brown with jorj

[merry stirrup]

maybe

[fervent chasm]

@merry stirrup you said to set retry to lowest amount?

[pure garnet]

jorj plane interception

[merry stirrup]

yes i hate it

[steel stream]

Mac bin plane ticket

[fervent chasm]

Ok I set it to 1

[pure garnet]

asrock splash screen be upon ye

[fervent chasm]

It was set to 0 but I guess that means keep going

[pure garnet]

15 minute delay

[topaz veldt]

also gigabyte = doo doo mem oc

[edgy laurel]

still haven't seen any of your LN2 orders. y'all are slackin

[pure garnet]

gigabyte voltages are so conservative i wouldn’t be surprised if it’s hindering the cpu

[fervent chasm]

The board officially supports 5600 for 4x64 on some kit

[topaz veldt]

bros cpu idles 87C

[merry stirrup]

intel what could "performance boost" mean as a slider

[pure garnet]

my z890 master autos like 1.25v sa

[edgy laurel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rude-why-are-you-blaming-me

[topaz veldt]

That means exactly nothing

[devout ridge]

pushes 12v direct to the die, for the highest heat output possible

[merry stirrup]

mac actually has played with Ln2 before btw hes the only one with sub 0 exp outta the oc people here

[edgy laurel]

where is your cardboard ducting, jay

[fervent chasm]

Doesn’t it mean it runs stable with that kit out of the box?

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-memes-2024-meme-laughing-laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-5489379135775576248

[merry stirrup]

didnt change anyhting for the 7950 so i assumed same would apply here

i think 40c under max load is fine tho

[pure garnet]

when i did this i had my rad like directly in front of the unit

[merry stirrup]

dont do that

[steel stream]

i bet it's like the power maximum slider in the nvidia app

[fervent chasm]

I thought the list of support for memory is based on their XMP/EXPO profile being enabled and running stable

[merry stirrup]

youll make the compressor turn off way faster

have it a little be in front of so it doesnt trigger the humidty sensor so quick

your compressor will stay on much longer

[edgy laurel]

daniel don't let the ram nerds bully you. i don't know shit. at least you're tryign to learn

[pure garnet]

i got like 30 min of runtime like that

[fervent chasm]

They’re not bullying me lol

[merry stirrup]

i am building a single stage within a month

[edgy laurel]

lol

[topaz veldt]

the prob is that we have told him not to do what he's doing but he's doing it anyway and its failing

[steel stream]

they have to take out their RAM oc frustrations someway

[merry stirrup]

wish a floppa some form of luck

[devout ridge]

pop the humidity sensor out and let it dangle randomly for the coolest results

[fervent chasm]

I haven’t even tried anything yet

I set it to auto and 3 voltages changed

[topaz veldt]

you've tried to boot 5200 and it crashed

[fervent chasm]

my skill issue

[topaz veldt]

bud there's no skill in 5200

if it doesn't boot 5200 its hardware limitation

[fervent chasm]

[edgy laurel]

can floppa get it working

[merry stirrup]

did you try this tool snail? works better than the driver for me and isnt regarded

[merry stirrup]

probably although i have no 4 dimm ddr5 experience because i dont hate myself

[fervent chasm]

What’s the fastest you’ve got ddr5 running with 4 dimms on a dual channel setup

[topaz veldt]

Yeah I tried that back when - there was a way to go passed the Intel tool for clock speed

[merry stirrup]

guilty ive overclocked ram for 7 years competitively or something

[edgy laurel]

i don't doubt it

[topaz veldt]

I would never run 4 DIMMs of DDR5 in dual channel

[merry stirrup]

5? idk

6-7

[fervent chasm]

Well then you can’t tell me what speed is skill in something you haven’t tried

[edgy laurel]

stop it

[topaz veldt]

I have 16 DIMMs running 8000 DDR5

[fervent chasm]

On a non consumer board and cpu

[devout ridge]

ddr5 64gb dimms exist now, no need for 2dpc on consumer platforms

[devout ridge]

potato potato

[devout ridge]

8 channel EYPC? or some dual socket system

[topaz veldt]

You seem to mistake "I would never" as me being unable to do something. I could do that, if it worked. I could also put a pool in my basement. Just because I haven't wasted my time doesn't mean I don't know how it'll end up.

[topaz veldt]

Xeon 6

[fervent chasm]

I’m not arguing if you’re better than me or anything or your skill, it’s just you’re trying to compare totally different things

[topaz veldt]

There is a very well documented physical shortcoming with 4 DIMMs of large capacity, DR, in dual channel, DDR5. Its plain and simple.

[devout ridge]

How many channels is that?

[fervent chasm]

doesn’t mean I can’t try to see how fast I can get it since I have the time

[topaz veldt]

12? Honestly forget

[merry stirrup]

i personally fw the idea of learning ram oc on 1dpc tho

this is like learning how to drive in a rally race

[devout ridge]

16 dimms in 12 channels?

[topaz veldt]

its 512GB, whatever the topology is I am not sure

[topaz veldt]

You can try all you want but its like trying to get a good paintjob out of a spray bottle

[devout ridge]

Ah so the "16 dimms" thing was just a ballpark of "i have lots of dimms going really fast" and less a specific claim

[topaz veldt]

yes

[devout ridge]

Cool, I just misunderstood then

[merry stirrup]

the more i look at the bdie in this computer the more i like it

i thought it was quite ugly at first

[devout ridge]

I'm mildly curious how far i could push my dual 48 crucial dimms

[topaz veldt]

But, unironically, the MRDIMMs are limited to 512GB max (I think its 8 channels 1 DPC? I dunno) - point being it doesn't support multiple DIMMs per channel... because of 2026 physics

[topaz veldt]

I had 96GB running at 6400 CL30 on AM5

[merry stirrup]

i like em tho

[fervent chasm]

Ofc, and I’m fine with that, again it’s for my own fun and learning

[edgy laurel]

those are kinda great, actually

[fervent chasm]

I just don’t understand the hate you have for it

I feel like it’s a little over the top

[merry stirrup]

they look good in a white computer but i still dont like that thyere offwhite

[devout ridge]

Yeah my 7800x3d would likely be the issue before the RAM itself

[topaz veldt]

It doesn't work. Its like running 30 psi of boost on 87 octane. There's people out there "going to try it for myself" ok fine but it simply doesn't make sense and any success is purely incidental - it doesn't work well

[devout ridge]

Do you recall what timings you were using? i'm mildly curious if they'd work for me

[topaz veldt]

yah that was on a 7950X beast that did 6800 1:1

[merry stirrup]

probably a zen timings screenshot somewhere

[edgy laurel]

of the 6 million zentimings screenshots posted here in the last 2 years

[topaz veldt]

I am sure I shared it here but Discord doesn't search images

[merry stirrup]

hey man a lot of them have good info just sayin

[topaz veldt]

let me see

[pure garnet]

every one that says b850 mlg is a world record for that board

[devout ridge]

Do yall have a good guide for manual ram OC?

[pure garnet]

i’m the ONLY submitter

[merry stirrup]

ddr4 guide with ddr5 values

really no different

[edgy laurel]

your organization and archiving may be of use lol

[topaz veldt]

sorta

[edgy laurel]

Benchmate is useful for this

[fervent chasm]

tRFC and tRFC2 are the same right?

[topaz veldt]

no

[merry stirrup]

learn applicable voltages for each platform
learn how your ic behaves and what it is
use community results to base ic results off of

[fervent chasm]

My tRFC is locked

[edgy laurel]

oh

[merry stirrup]

tRFC2 is used as tRFC1 on intel

[fervent chasm]

I remembered something about this

[merry stirrup]

kinda not kinda is

issue with bench mate is that you still have to open things like zen timings or asrock timing config or whatever for the screenshot

so its not super helpful unless you also are benching things to compare as well

if you just want to screenshot your stable timings just doing that works too

[pure garnet]

floppa i put the ocf in once i get back from dropping off my dogs

👍

and the 9800x3d is going in the mpower as a homework daily for the interim

[devout ridge]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/resources/overclock-ram.html would something like this be a good resource?

[merry stirrup]

find integralgfx one on github for ddr4

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

ignore ic specific and platform specific values, those are where you have to do further research to find applicable values for your config

[topaz veldt]

possibly this

[devout ridge]

Much appreciated!

Time to drop it in and watch it fail to boot!

[topaz veldt]

thats going to take like 1.65v+

1.3vsoc (or more)

[devout ridge]

What would be the max voltage for 2x 48gb crucial dimms on AM5

[topaz veldt]

its about cooling

[merry stirrup]

dont even try it

[devout ridge]

What would be a voltage where going above is ill advised, so i know what not to do

[merry stirrup]

micron reverse scales with voltage for one (at least if you have like d die)
and it wont boot tcl 28 at 6400 ever

[merry stirrup]

youll see best results at 1.25ish volts

(im assuming their 24gbit is similar to their 16gbit though, so still look it up yourself)

[devout ridge]

stock my dimms are apparently 1.40v

[merry stirrup]

but it will never boot 6400 at c28 i can confirm that

simply not even worth trying

[fervent chasm]

can giving too much voltage cause a crash after booted?

[merry stirrup]

yes thats reverse scaling

[fervent chasm]

I think the voltage you gave me is what’s not working

[merry stirrup]

a LOT of things do it and its why you cant just mash voltage on most things

[merry stirrup]

what i gave you isnt high lol

[fervent chasm]

I know but it won’t do 5k at that voltage but auto does

[merry stirrup]

did you forget the part where i literally specified tx is going to be board and cpu specific

[fervent chasm]

No I’m just thinking out loud

[merry stirrup]

okay sorry

[fervent chasm]

It’s fine lol

Nothing to apologize for you’re helping me

[topaz veldt]

@merry stirrup I dunno if my CPU peaced out or if latest BIOS is cheeks but my 32/38 NGU/D2D stopped working well

[fervent chasm]

I tried 5k with the old 5600 timings with the voltages you said

[merry stirrup]

38 d2d is pretty high tbf and really not all that useful, i lost a not even measurable amount of performance from 28 to 38 d2d in yc

[pure garnet]

you gotta stop changing 40 things once

[topaz veldt]

dudes literally just find 4800 JEDEC primaries and put those in, set to 5600. Do 1.45v on dimm/vddq, 1.3sa, 1.39 imc, etc. and if it doesn't boot its not the tune

[topaz veldt]

its just weird that it isn't stable any longer

[pure garnet]

for booting shit just type in sky high timings it won’t matter

[topaz veldt]

thought it really could be BIOS changes

[pure garnet]

i did cl56 or something

[merry stirrup]

are you latest bios?

[topaz veldt]

yeah

[merry stirrup]

did you flashback back or did you normally update back

[topaz veldt]

as of today

[merry stirrup]

this is the problem

[topaz veldt]

why come is it a known thing?

[merry stirrup]

9k stopped working latest microcode for me i am going to assume same thing is happening to you for other things

had to flashback backwards

[topaz veldt]

can you just flashback?

[merry stirrup]

yeah dont use normal bios flash feature

[topaz veldt]

which microcode you running

[merry stirrup]

i think its 0x11a?

[topaz veldt]

like sept?

[pure garnet]

you still on tu 03 floppa?

[merry stirrup]

yeah

[merry stirrup]

tl 03 yeah as of now

[topaz veldt]

I will give it a shot - maybe its why 9k peaced out too

[pure garnet]

i gotta flash that today

[merry stirrup]

thats just how far i went back, newer could work, but idk

[merry stirrup]

100% will have best bench results on 2.07 dont try anything else iirc

at least since its sweat time

[pure garnet]

dual bios

[merry stirrup]

best for core tuning

[pure garnet]

i need to do daily today

[merry stirrup]

oh ok

i need to get the rules written down and an os setup ig

maybe take the ocf out and put it on the bench for cooling idk

likely just put the y40 on the table

[merry stirrup]

do you want the 9 profile?

did mac tell you what seby has said about sa so far on core ultra

[pure garnet]

i have to grab it but i’ll be on h24m

[merry stirrup]

okie

[topaz veldt]

I would be surprised if I degraded anything, so its prob bios

[pure garnet]

and no i didn’t hear what seby said

[merry stirrup]

apparently has been running 1.65v on air for months w/no issue

apparently ambient sa degredation is just kinda not possible/pretty hard to do short term

[topaz veldt]

1.6v vccsa?

[merry stirrup]

1.65, yes

[topaz veldt]

wild

One thing I hate is ASUS color scaling of fields

[merry stirrup]

its all scary

[topaz veldt]

like vnnaon 1.05 is purple lol

[merry stirrup]

lol

[topaz veldt]

thats worse than red

[merry stirrup]

yeah

[topaz veldt]

theres a few fields like that

VDDP in AM5 BIOS i have like 1.15 and its purple

[merry stirrup]

yeah on my am4 board most of my values are purple for bench cause i hate am4

[topaz veldt]

also bench

[merry stirrup]

seriously if i kill this cpu i have lost nothing of value

[topaz veldt]

i have been running 8000 CL30 and 32 24/7 without issue

[merry stirrup]

rn im just on optimized 8000 as of recent because ive been on the test bed

but since i have the chance to get paid for blowing up my 265k

[fervent chasm]

Oh wow it might just be windows that’s so fucked up that I doesn’t boot anymore

[merry stirrup]

i think ill take that route

the older hw i have is just more fun to bench cause its scales much more aggressively

30-50% perf increases are wild

[topaz veldt]

I had a like 2 hour distraction this morning

I use optical out of my 285K (lol I know, why) to my DAC and it wasn't working

[merry stirrup]

augh

toslink is no fun

[topaz veldt]

the output named itself SPDIF Realtek blah blah

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-rigby-disgusted-looking-away-slowly-turning-head-away-gif-12054983991679964282

[topaz veldt]

I didn't think anyhting of it - reinstalled Windows because it was otherwise fucky

turns out... something fucked the driver up, it should be "Digital Output (Realtek blahb lah)"

[steel stream]

i love audio drivers

[merry stirrup]

oh thats gross

[topaz veldt]

I don't even install them - so winders musta dunnit

[merry stirrup]

i hate windows driver handling sometimes

[topaz veldt]

but there I am

with a new toslink cable...

running it through the cable troughs of my desk....

[merry stirrup]

i usually disable windows doing anything with my drivers at this point i just put that shit on a usb drive for hwatever system

[fervent chasm]

@topaz veldt you were right it wasn’t the tune I borked windows

[merry stirrup]

LOL

[topaz veldt]

liveboot ubuntu and run occt

[fervent chasm]

Gonna get stuff from my desktop first

[merry stirrup]

i figured out the arc control performance slider garbage

so the card can do a max 300mhz offset to the core

that slider is a percentage increase till 300

[topaz veldt]

if you just liveboot nothing gets touched

[merry stirrup]

god thats so gross

[fervent chasm]

I have to fix windows tho

[topaz veldt]

then you can determine if its the OS

no you can access the windows install thru live ubuntu

[fervent chasm]

I have all my stuff on there, either fix it or move it

[topaz veldt]

there was a hack to make it move more

[fervent chasm]

Ik but I still wanna save the files I haven’t backed up in a while

[merry stirrup]

yeah on older drivers

[topaz veldt]

ya I was playing that game for a while

[merry stirrup]

i wonder if i can oc mem on older drivers cause no ram oc on a gpu is kinda stupid

[topaz veldt]

I swore you could do vram OC on it

but i dunno i did Intel/AMD/Nvidia all at the same time it got dizzying

[merry stirrup]

"yeah we're gonna stop you from doing the one thing that every gpu really likes when you do"

[topaz veldt]

"Stahp - our shit is already barely working"

[merry stirrup]

lmao its like amd stopping you from ocing hbm cause it would put a hole in the vrm of cards with it sometimes

and the hbm itself too LOL

[topaz veldt]

its fine

it is cute how much heat came off the 2 slot A770

[merry stirrup]

yeah id imagine the power limit on it is pretyt high

[topaz veldt]

like it was making every bit of 9070 XT heat but.... not doing as much

[merry stirrup]

the a750 gets 228w

which is nuts i didnt expec that

[topaz veldt]

I think A770 was only 250-275W

[merry stirrup]

LOL

[topaz veldt]

there was a hack around that also

[merry stirrup]

thats still bad

tthis card doesnt really seem to scale with temp at ambient its kinda sad

70c and 40c bench like identical clocks

the 7950 got like 70mhz, which for a card that starts at 800mhz thats a shit ton

[devout ridge]

if a frequency is unstable, what would i increase/decrease to try and make it stable

[merry stirrup]

freq for what

[devout ridge]

ram

[steel stream]

freakency

[merry stirrup]

set timings to a baseline value then try various voltage changes one at a time

[devout ridge]

Where would you get baseline values from?

[merry stirrup]

run manual loose primaries and auto everything else besides rrds, faw, and refi

[devout ridge]

what would rrds, faw, and refi be set to then

[merry stirrup]

like if on ryzen 42-58-58-58-128 is probably a fine baseline primary value but i only have experience with micron d die and the hynix kits

refi should go to the max you can bboot, my micron didnt do 65535, so if it doesnt work at that try 49152 and it should work

rrd's (not just RRD_S) should both be set to 8, faw 32

if that doesnt work try rrdl 12

shouldnt need to change anyrhing else

generally if those boot theyre gonna work so

[devout ridge]

Then from there just slowly reduce timings till it's unstable, then either back timings up, or increase voltage?

[merry stirrup]

find max bootable/set desirable, get a baseline stability report then proceed from there

if its not stable at the max you can boot or your desirable frequency you may have to adjust voltage or go down another ratio or two before you can even set a baseline level of stability

[devout ridge]

what would be the upper limit of comfortable RAM temps?

[merry stirrup]

you have to try to change as minimal variables as possible as to not waste time when something fails, it seems too much but it saves you time in the end to set baselines for yoursself

[merry stirrup]

not unstable. it doesnt matter

[devout ridge]

keeping the stock XMP timings but changing to 6200 has seemingly just worked

verified it's in gear1

[merry stirrup]

i doubt it, go run a stress

[devout ridge]

running OCT rn

[merry stirrup]

oh its over 6000 its not in g1 i dont think

verify with zen timings

[devout ridge]

I did, i made sure to force it to gear 1 in bios

[merry stirrup]

seems legit

[devout ridge]

sending a screenie in one sec

[merry stirrup]

i have finally gotten 1000 pts over stock on the arc card

it only took like 10 runs of timespy bruh

[devout ridge]

5 minutes in, no errors detected

[merry stirrup]

i do not fuck with 2000 fclk at 6200 but it is still better than 6000 so whatever

[devout ridge]

2000fclk was what it was at on 6000 lol

[steel stream]

anyone know if 591.86 is a good driver or nah

[merry stirrup]

yeah i know

[devout ridge]

what would be better

[merry stirrup]

2 third of your mclk = fclk or if you can do 2133+ always do that

[devout ridge]

3000?

[merry stirrup]

impossible

2200 is where a "good" chip will max out

[devout ridge]

when trying to increase, what's a good amount to increment by?

[merry stirrup]

.

[merry stirrup]

you dont have a lot of options just go test bro

theres like 6? ratios above 2000 to 2200?

[devout ridge]

oh lol, i thought it was a text box, didn't realize it was a dropdown

[merry stirrup]

past not testing like an idiot/change a million things at a time theres not that many wrong steps you can make at this point

fafo with shit. document results

[steel stream]

set every voltage to like 2

[devout ridge]

i'm smart enough not to do that at least

[steel stream]

I highly recommend an excel spreadsheet

[merry stirrup]

i do too

[steel stream]

anything in life can be fixed by an excel spreadsheet

[devout ridge]

i'm gonna try to avoid touching voltage as much as i can for now

see what i can do with just timings, then report back

[merry stirrup]

make sure its not left on auto then ;)

figure out what it is in os then manually set that so the board doesnt decide to change it by itself

[devout ridge]

only voltage on auto is VDDG CCD Voltage, and VDDG IOD Voltage

[merry stirrup]

minimize variables

[merry stirrup]

yippie

these are useful for minmaxing some cpus

[devout ridge]

Should i set those as fixed values?

If so, what would they be

[merry stirrup]

ccd will never need more than 950, iod will never need more than 1050

[merry stirrup]

not unless youre trying to max out your cpu fr, not really useful

most cpus dont care about it being adjusted anyways

some will and its cool when they do

[devout ridge]

Cool, so all the voltage is good? everything else is fixed values that came from the XMP profile

[merry stirrup]

you may discover that the XMP voltage could be too high and you could see better results on something lower

but yes

basically lower things after verifying a base line as low as theyll go then mess with voltages to get lower to work

then minimize voltages after finding lowest stable values

then you have a complete tune

after about a week of work

unless you go find other peoples results on a similar configuration (really just the ic and platform matters) and copy their max stable settings and hope it works

[edgy laurel]

yo so Gemini in Chrome can do some interesting things. Since it can analyze open tabs i figured.. why not ask it to summarize what someone's been talking about

[devout ridge]

for some reason i remember memory training longer than it is rn for my setup

[merry stirrup]

shotgun clocking is technically faster

but only if youre such an idiot youre smart yknow

basically knowing the rules means you can bend them is what im saying

[edgy laurel]

I asked it to summarize what "m1sty" was having trouble with

[merry stirrup]

interesting

[merry stirrup]

as a noob its pretty stupid but humans were granted with pretty goated pattern recognition so if you fafo enough you learn where most things will generally top out

and ofc theres fast and slow ways to find what is the lowest you can do for a value

do binary sorts for your max value

[pure garnet]

swapping to 265k now

[merry stirrup]

yEAAAHHH

BLOW IT UPPP SHWATY

[frank cypress]

lowk kinda neat

but also freaky

[merry stirrup]

everyone cheerlead for kyoko

[edgy laurel]

honestly pretty useful

[merry stirrup]

the arc card has an interesting coilwhine noise i wont lie

a strange arcing sound ill see myself out

[frank cypress]

wait thats what you bought from Kyoko?

[merry stirrup]

yeah

[frank cypress]

👀 b580?

[merry stirrup]

a750

[frank cypress]

oh sick

[merry stirrup]

do they have a b580 ill steal that too

(i have no need)

[frank cypress]

lmao I just wasnt sure what card they had

[merry stirrup]

yeah i think this was their only one idk

a very pretty card man

[steel stream]

ok kind of cool

[cosmic gazelle]

are alchemist drivers as good as battle mage drivers now

[cosmic gazelle]

like are they the same driver

[merry stirrup]

i play 3dmark

[cosmic gazelle]

okay different person then

[merry stirrup]

i wanna try it on linux i think tho

[cosmic gazelle]

wish more companies or aibs would make cards like this

[merry stirrup]

ill have a fatter version of guiltys second computer

[cosmic gazelle]

yknow maybe i don’t want the 6090 turbo virgin deluxe

and i just want something simple

[hoary hatch]

It's so inconsequential
But the 8+6 pin on A750 annoys me so much. Just make it 8+8 Intel 😭

[merry stirrup]

yeah never saw the point

let me oc the vram on it intel 😭

it doesnt even say the vendor of the mem what a freaking L

i hate this shit intel stop it

why does a gpu need a pl1 and pl2

20 seconds of marketing power

[steel stream]

sorry all they know is CPU

[civic reef]

Jealous

[merry stirrup]

i dont get it for a cpu either but its especially stupid on a gpu

[civic reef]

I am stealing your A750

[merry stirrup]

20 second of higher boost clocks before you get into the game because youre on a loading screen

speeds up nothing

at least the 30 seconds of my cpu boosting high technically makes the game load faster 😭

[civic reef]

Although I could probably be able to replicate its performance (sorta) if I install that one RT Emulator for my 5700 XT

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-egg-man-i-dont-know-smile-not-sure-gif-25766015

[merry stirrup]

i would kill you in any form of rt

no way around it

[civic reef]

Get higher framerates in the menu smh

[merry stirrup]

intel basically designed ts for rt and dx12

[civic reef]

Oh I don't expect to beat your card or even match it at all

[merry stirrup]

probably as fast in raster tho

[civic reef]

Just Match - by a technicality - most of the features

Yeah, 5700 XT scores only 2% lower on TPU (I know it's not too accurate, but close enough)

[merry stirrup]

yeah i mean i basically just bought it cause its cool and i wanted more gpus to blow up

[civic reef]

If shipping didn't cost two billion, I'd buy the shroud / dead card after you execute it

[merry stirrup]

i have never killed a gpu with oc

[civic reef]

How have you killed GPUs then - if any?

[merry stirrup]

i mean i technically killed a 280x but it was still working

i effectively killed it though, if not made the lifespan much lower

i basically made it impossible to take apart and have 3/4 of the mounting pressure

(the standoff on the heatsink for the core screws itself came out

w/how the card is designed it woulld be very hard to disassemble it from there or even put it back together

was an L moment for me

[civic reef]

Oh, bloody hell..

I assume it was an accident? Making the card pretty much impossible to take apart before you yourself are disassembled?

[merry stirrup]

yeah i was just taking it apart and yeah that happened

i actually used that card just like that for the better part of a year

it was fine i mean it didnt perform any worse, it couldnt oc at all anymore tho (but i never tried before taking it apart, so who knows if i caused that)

[civic reef]

Also, back to ARC for a moment

I might honestly buy a Pro B50 just because it has 5700 XT raster at 75W

[merry stirrup]

a score

[civic reef]

What do you mean couldn't OC at all?

[merry stirrup]

it just wouldnt oc good

[civic reef]

As in, would bluescreen above base maximum wattage?

[merry stirrup]

with any offset on core or mem it would always crash

[civic reef]

Oh

So... Not completely impossible, but just very unstable.

Fair enough, atleast you didn't blow it up lol

[merry stirrup]

yeah i mean i was also a noob

one of my first pcs

[civic reef]

I.. Can't tell if that's good or bad, I haven't used 3DMark in ages, nor do I remember my results

[civic reef]

Atleast it was a 280x.. Wait, when did this all happen?

[merry stirrup]

idk 2019

[civic reef]

Ah, so the 280x was out of useful circulation, and not any sort of high end card by then

[merry stirrup]

was useful to me 💀

all i could get, wasnt bad

like a weirdly high power 3gb gtx 1050ti

[civic reef]

Huh, that's odd

[merry stirrup]

pretty similar performance

[civic reef]

Alleged raster is 7% better than the NVidia card

[merry stirrup]

yeah but you have shit drivers and no vram along with that

[civic reef]

Funnily enough, that was my first card ever - bought by my sibling

[merry stirrup]

going from an already puny 4gb to 3gb is not fun

then + it also drew anywhere between 200 and 300w depending on how it felt

not a fun card

but it was all i had at the time nad it was epic

[civic reef]

Speaking of VRAM.. GDDR5 was already a thing in 2013?

[merry stirrup]

i think i paid like 40$

[merry stirrup]

yeah

[civic reef]

Seems odd, but fitting

DRAM DDR3, VRAM GDDR5

[hoary hatch]

Just separate GDDR and DDR numbering

[civic reef]

Now it's DRAM DDR5, and VRAM GDDR7

[merry stirrup]

GDDR5 is based off DDR3

so it makes sense

[merry stirrup]

pretty sure anyways? idk

seems like it could be DDR4 cause the 7950 i have is hynix AFR but idk if thats a DDR3 thing too

[hoary hatch]

Don't forget the X versions

[merry stirrup]

X is stupid and micron only

or something like that

[topaz veldt]

I have more GDDR7 than most people have DDR5

[civic reef]

Oh, didn't know that

[topaz veldt]

160 GB of GDDR7 lol

[civic reef]

Well, makes sense atleast

[topaz veldt]

I should desolder that shit and send it to china

[merry stirrup]

lets do port royal on the a750 for fun

[civic reef]

Was the previous GDDR3? Because I heard Video DDR4 wasn't really great, and barely used

[merry stirrup]

GDDR4 was fine but it wasnt around for long

quickly phased out for GDDR5

not too many cards with it period

[pallid marsh]

Put it on the disappointing 5080

[topaz veldt]

5080 lame

[merry stirrup]

go find me a GTX 1060 with some G5X on it please

[cosmic gazelle]

why is gddr4 a downgrade

[civic reef]

Aye aye

[merry stirrup]

more efficient per clock as clearly put there, it was replaced in a year/less

cant blame it lol

[civic reef]

Oh

Odd, I heard that it had instability issues / wasn't much of an upgrade over GDDR3, making companies stick to the older tech until GDDR5 came around

[merry stirrup]

literally had like 2 years of development maybe 3 total

im sure wikipedia says why it was worse and was left quickly but i mean the cards with it were fine

just not many existed

[topaz veldt]

I just got an "emergency change" sent my way for approval... for cutting over to 100 Gbps WAN on corp RA VPN ffs

[merry stirrup]

better than i thought

[civic reef]

Oh hey

Apparently, NVidia made an 8GB GD5X 1060, but never released it

[steel stream]

I like seeing the slow transfers/s for HBM, and then seeing bandwidth skyrocket

[merry stirrup]

theres 6gb and 5gb ones with g5x its kinda just random/rare

[cosmic gazelle]

meanwhile p2000s are a dime a dozen

[edgy laurel]

not going to pretend like I know why that is

[merry stirrup]

when yoou have so much surplus g5x that it cant go on 1070s or something you get desperate to do something with it

[civic reef]

Can't go on 1070s? Why?

[merry stirrup]

binning

[civic reef]

Was the processor in the 1070 incapable of working with 5X?

[steel stream]

HBM is the stacked memory, so you can just have heaps of it, and with more memory = more bandwidth

[merry stirrup]

1070s came with g5x normally

[civic reef]

Oh

Forgot what that is, give me a second

[edgy laurel]

oh, yeah i meant why the transfers are slower

[merry stirrup]

im saying if the excess ram that they made cant run at the frequencies on the 1070, they get desparate to do something with it

[civic reef]

Yeah, identical to what Google told me

They should've sold me the VRAM

[steel stream]

if I had to guess, hard to make a controller that can keep up with that density

[civic reef]

I am sure that mighty 5 year old me (in 2016) had important things to do with VRAM

[edgy laurel]

wait what

[civic reef]

Hm?

[merry stirrup]

i think its this

a gigatransfer is probably every channel @ max bandiwdth

hbm has a lot more so 1 gigatransfer = higher bw anyways

[steel stream]

density is hard to deal with

[edgy laurel]

ahh, ok if its measured that way that makes sense

[civic reef]

Unfortunately I doubt NVidia would've sold me their crates of unworthy GDDR5X though

[merry stirrup]

transfer ops per second across the whole bus, so yeah

[edgy laurel]

sorry I was caught off guard that someone currently forming full sentences was 5y/o in 2016

[topaz veldt]

its why we should talk about M/Ts not MHz in mem, but alas

[edgy laurel]

that was like.. a few years ago right

[cosmic gazelle]

what cards have hbm3? i’ve only ever seen 2

[frank cypress]

is there even 5x?

[merry stirrup]

yes

[steel stream]

yeah having a controller that can do that reliably is tough. Especially with higher frequencies as you get into EMI

[merry stirrup]

GTX 1070 and beyond had it

[topaz veldt]

Alright, time to BIOS flashback

[civic reef]

Could've probably put a 1030 chip there, and around.. Well, however many chips of 1GB 5X I can fit onto a commercially available large PCB

[frank cypress]

oh

[merry stirrup]

micron/nvidia only thing for the most part

[civic reef]

Rephrase this question, please?

[merry stirrup]

i dont think anyone else made it

[edgy laurel]

H100 and..

[merry stirrup]

and for anything else

[frank cypress]

I think this is the case for 6x too

[merry stirrup]

for sure

[topaz veldt]

oh I wanted to share something with yous guys

[civic reef]

-If I could secure the funds for it, I think I might just do it

[edgy laurel]

that was sarcasm

[frank cypress]

you bought the 6000 blackwell?

[civic reef]

Ah, my apologies. Was never great with it

Yeah, 2016 has just passed over yonder

[steel stream]

don't forget about those radeon cards

[topaz veldt]

not exactly

[frank cypress]

not exactly -> another 5090?

[civic reef]

Wait, actually

Would that be possible?
Cramming 1GB GDDR5X chips with a GT 1030 chip on some large 200-250mm PCB to make a useless, high VRAM card?

[steel stream]

work bought multiple 6000 blackwells is my guess

[frank cypress]

mi150?

[frank cypress]

oh

[topaz veldt]

I didn't buy anything

[steel stream]

I swore there some consumer cards with it

[topaz veldt]

but I am about to commandeer something

[frank cypress]

I think vega and radeon vii were hbm2

[topaz veldt]

So I deployed a GPU server to a group that "totally super duper needed it" without budget

[steel stream]

ok yeah that sounds right

[shell void]

dont forget the venerable radeon fury

[topaz veldt]

I have not got a chance to setup monitoring on it, but I told them if they don't use it they lose it

[merry stirrup]

got one of those cheap hall effect kits for ps5 im going to do some of my sisters ps5 controllers with it

[topaz veldt]

I can't have a $300k server sitting around doing jack shit

[merry stirrup]

will let you guys know

[frank cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[civic reef]

Despite my age (or lack thereof) - I am honestly in the same boat as you

Apparently, those born during the pandemic are coherent enough to leave "meaningful" comments on social media

Utter bollocks if you ask me, they should be back in their cribs

[steel stream]

hmmmm

[topaz veldt]

I would say this is NOT being used

[steel stream]

"shit run y-cruncher quick!"

[topaz veldt]

Dell XE9680 w/ 8x H200s

[frank cypress]

damn

[steel stream]

that's sad man, that machine must be so cold

[frank cypress]

8x h200 only amount to 300k?

[steel stream]

it's got no watts in it

[topaz veldt]

$30-40k ea

[frank cypress]

I would've expected it to be way more expensive

[topaz veldt]

An NVIDIA H200 NVL (141GB HBM3e) GPU typically costs between $29,000 and $45,000 per card, with common retail listings appearing around the $31,000–$35,000 range.

[frank cypress]

oh

[topaz veldt]

so 8x plus main system overhead its like $300k

[civic reef]

Right, I've got to leave for bed now

Was nice conversing with you all, goodnight

[edgy laurel]

were there some with specifically HMB3?

[steel stream]

Maybe some new ones, but I can only recall the hbm2

[frank cypress]

oh maybe the apple pro card

[steel stream]

how often do you have systems that have low util? I can't imagine very much, you probably want to use the hardware you bought

[frank cypress]

the one that derbauer has?

[fervent scaffold]

Anyone ever use a rgb to argb converter/hub deal?

[edgy laurel]

I was thinking specifically HMB3, not just HMB in general

[frank cypress]

oh nvm

[steel stream]

MI300X

[edgy laurel]

whoops, HBM*

HMB is the other thing

[edgy laurel]

ohhh yeah that thing

[steel stream]

shoutout techpowerup

lets you sort by memory type

[pallid marsh]

Oh they posted the nudes

[edgy laurel]

oh nice, i wondered if you could just do that then got distracted

[steel stream]

@ grok put it in a bikini

[edgy laurel]

i had no context for that comment for like 10 whole seconds

[frank cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-joe-computer-gif-6415300656589330844

[wraith steeple]

[steel stream]

interesting, Intel had some HBM2 cards

HBM2e

[frank cypress]

knight point? larrabee?

[pallid marsh]

The og card Linus reviewed?

[frank cypress]

oh

[edgy laurel]

if you click Add Filter then Memory Type https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/

[frank cypress]

I was thinking xeon phi

[edgy laurel]

you can pick whatever type you want

[frank cypress]

but those aren't gpu per say ig

[steel stream]

true

can't find them on ebay. They must have produced like 2 of them

[frank cypress]

they might also be for a specific client

who might be using it still

[cosmic gazelle]

how many fps in minecraft would this thing get

[frank cypress]

would it even run Minecraft?

shits an accelerator not a gpu no?

[edgy laurel]

thats gotta be a whole node of them right?

[cosmic gazelle]

you can do like a VM and just allocate all of the resources

[frank cypress]

hmm

[steel stream]

arctic sound should probably been EOL soon right? 2021

[steel stream]

yah

[frank cypress]

no idea

[cosmic gazelle]

what platform can this even be used with

[steel stream]

if you have to ask

[edgy laurel]

same thing Nvidia does with their ML compute nodes. AI

[pure garnet]

@merry stirrup dude when i put this away i never cleaned up the 9000 attempts 💀💀💀

almost blew up my install

[frank cypress]

I hope these become worthless so I can mount it on a wall like a painting

[cosmic gazelle]

i mean more so, how can these be coupled to a cpu

[steel stream]

wait 84 years

[edgy laurel]

2023, i wonder how that panned out https://www.techpowerup.com/315350/amd-instinct-mi300x-could-become-companys-fastest-product-to-rake-usd-1-billion-in-sales

[frank cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

elite baller reference

I see u mr akn

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/reference-gif-10758181

[topaz veldt]

More often than not we have over commit so yeah under utilizations usually not a problem

[mighty kestrel]

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