tech-chat-2

[young void]

[low sorrel]

Why do I need a sample of dishsoap

[steel stream]

idk man

[low sorrel]

Why are they giving out bottles of dishsoap

[ripe needle]

Where the usuals at?

[steel stream]

no idea

[edgy laurel]

around here somewhere

[steel stream]

not home sorry

[hoary hatch]

Cuz you dirty

[topaz veldt]

Guys... NH-D15 G2 vs LF3 280? 265k build

[hoary hatch]

In what chassis

[edgy laurel]

Ncase M3 Grater

[steel stream]

lf3 280 probs

[topaz veldt]

Hmmmmm

[steel stream]

idk how G2 would look inside of there

[edgy laurel]

can run the 280 without vertical mounting the GPU, right?

[topaz veldt]

It looks nice

[topaz veldt]

Yeah

[edgy laurel]

they only had these two

[edgy laurel]

i love how even there they aren't showing the FE card expelling any hot air lol

[topaz veldt]

Lol

[edgy laurel]

even though its theoretically blasting the motherboard and RAM with 600W

[topaz veldt]

That's the thing, I dunno how to position an AIO in that to not suck

Rear intake top intake?

[edgy laurel]

oh shoot thats plenty of room

i dunno if you already have the G2, thats more than enough for the 265k

[topaz veldt]

I have two extra lol

And an LF3 280

[edgy laurel]

oh

[low sorrel]

@young void what's good cheese for lasagna

This is not because I just bought 10lb of lasagna

[young void]

Riccottaaa

[edgy laurel]

big 'ole dollops of it

[young void]

Frig holding the baby excuse my stroke lol

[topaz veldt]

I like crumbled sausage in lasagna

[young void]

It does get rather toasty just a hot card by nature keks

We lost Jerry in the lasagna saucee

https://tenor.com/view/lasagna-pastas-baking-cooking-italian-pasta-gif-13243462

[low sorrel]

Smol problem there's no ricotta

[young void]

Mozzarella, parmesian? Mayhaps

My kids think im a jungle gymm

My legs are not traffic cones ahhhh

XD

[low sorrel]

Never mind it's just 4x5lb buckets

[low sorrel]

I don't think I need that much ricotta

[pallid marsh]

@young void how much money did the tooth fairy give your child

[young void]

Was just $10 this go around

And some glitter and other fun things

[low sorrel]

Am I the only one who always knew that the tooth ferry was just your parents

[pallid marsh]

Damn the tooth fairy is rich now I got a quarter per tooth

[young void]

Burnt dollar for yours truly

[young void]

All my holidays died by like kindergarten/first grade but I try hard to make things special forem. They myte know but I still try

[odd bison]

bro is active since 4hrs how jobless are we here?😔

[pallid marsh]

He is a child

That can't get a job at Burger King

[young void]

Need to decorate soon just gotta get to it. Maybe tonight if I cant sleep

[livid lantern]

i pray decorate doesnt mean christmas decoration

[steel stream]

lol @edgy laurel just extracted with like 6 people

[odd bison]

nah wendy's

[steel stream]

we found one poor arc and killed it firing squad style

[livid lantern]

this queen reactor thing is BS

[young void]

Just the decor stuff to get situated its alot probs just gonna spend alot of time untangling and testing for a single dead light to fix the lot

[steel stream]

well yeah, ferries do require adults to operate, big ass boats

[young void]

Think I fixed them all last year but soon to be future me problems

https://tenor.com/view/ferry-ferry-boat-seattle-miss-america-dancing-gif-12003231

[ancient wind]

I am a professional director and VFX artist and I need the most and highest speed ram I can get. I have a PRO Z790-S which takes DDR5. Currently I have 64gb of teamgroup T-create 6000mhz. What do you guys recommend?

[pallid marsh]

Wrong time to buy ram

[edgy laurel]

I think you're asking a very volatile question

[ancient wind]

black friday no?

[pallid marsh]

Ai is eating the supply

[young void]

Thats honestly probs fine if between cl30-36 I would rec keeping what you have unless upgrading capacity

[ancient wind]

ahhh.

[edgy laurel]

Are you not aware that RAM prices have tripled in the last 3 weeks?

[low sorrel]

Is this worth?

[ancient wind]

I honestly did look at it and get confused yeah, but didnt think much of it

[low sorrel]

Its birch

[pallid marsh]

A basic 32gb kit of ddr4 cost as much as ddr5 did a few months back ($110)

[edgy laurel]

also for a professional workstation, you're not going to get an appreciable upgrade over what you already have

[ancient wind]

yeah I need much more tbh, thats the main issue

[pallid marsh]

Wouldn't a professional want jedec reliable ram?

[ancient wind]

But if im upgrading the size I may aswell get the fastest too

[ancient wind]

Not familiar

[young void]

If money's not a factor gskill ddr5 Trident z models seek the tightest timings at 6000 for AM5

I run their cl 30 and cl36 kit. Snails runs their cl 28s but spendy

[ancient wind]

I currently have 6000mhz on my current set, not possible to get any further to 8000 maybe?

[young void]

If running a ryzen cpu anything over 6000 isnt beneficial outside of quick benches unfortunately

[ancient wind]

What is this cl30 and cl36 term

[young void]

If running intel a 8000 kit is good

[brisk jolt]

snail runs CL26 no?

[brisk jolt]

cas latency

[young void]

Ram sub timings itll show on the box as the first set of clocks

[pallid marsh]

Lower cl better

[ancient wind]

I have an intel i5 13th gen. 14 core, 3.5 ghz

[young void]

Maybe, hes a wild one i wouldn't put it pastem

[brisk jolt]

he said he has multiple c26 kits

[ancient wind]

Okay intersting

[brisk jolt]

I think he only goes for the godbin kits tbh

[ancient wind]

Actually it says my clock speed is 4000, I actually never realised. Should I overclock to 6000, I think that is what the point of the teamgroup RAM I currently have is for anyways

[young void]

Gotta run to the store rq but one of these guy can help ya im sure

With a solid intel kit

[ancient wind]

Alright thanks, take care

[young void]

The misses said she'll drive ill browse

[young void]

Also yuss this is slower then speccd in bios enable xmp in the bios ez menu

[brisk jolt]

Go into the BIOS and enable XMP

[edgy laurel]

if you've been running without XMP on this whole time.. oof

[ancient wind]

yeah i feel like I made a big mistake loool

what differences will I notice when editing from now on?

[edgy laurel]

you tell us

[ancient wind]

because I feel my ram has always been a bottleneck

and this may be why

[young void]

Ram is literally sold out rn and the prices. .

What is even happening

[ancient wind]

looool

[edgy laurel]

Don't mean this is a negative way but given everything you've said, i'm not sure if you're qualified to make that statement lol

So enable XMP and see if you can tell

If you can't, and I havea feeling that'll be the case, you don't need anything faster

[young void]

Should be a good jump

I honestly dont know if I can rec any 128gb kit in this economy, after checking amazon. Waiting a few months if you can tolerate is highly advised

[ancient wind]

Qualified how? In the sense about my knowledge of ram? loool

[ancient wind]

yeahhh ill defo wait

[edgy laurel]

2x64GB is $700 USD minimum

[low sorrel]

@frank zealot What do you think of a 150 dollar birch block that's 72x25x1.75 from costco

[edgy laurel]

2x48GB is $350 USD minimum

[young void]

Just if you dont notice 4000-6000 anything special would be a much lower noticeable improvement

[ancient wind]

okay here in the UK its not that bad damn, I can get 128 for 400 right now

[brisk jolt]

We’ve had artificial CPU and GPU shortage back in late 2024, now a ram shortage. Whats next?

[edgy laurel]

If you want 6400CL42, but then again for your needs you don't need bleeding edge, just capacity https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/LPvscf/corsair-vengeance-128-gb-2-x-64-gb-ddr5-6400-cl42-memory-cmk128gx5m2b6400c42

[ancient wind]

Ill change it in the morning when I next boot up and let yall know

[brisk jolt]

it seems that Q4 is just a shit time to buy stuff lol

[edgy laurel]

even that kit..

[ancient wind]

woaaaaaaaaah

[ancient wind]

alright thanks ill keep this in mind

[topaz veldt]

6400 CL42 holy shit

[edgy laurel]

interesting that that kit is 399, while the second cheapest is 605

[topaz veldt]

CL42 should be illegal

[brisk jolt]

holy same energy

[edgy laurel]

i always chuckle at UK Amazon. Baskets instead of carts, dispatched instead of shipped

[topaz veldt]

They won't use our words because we said "fuck your tea"

[edgy laurel]

lol

[devout ridge]

except the south, we like our tea

the south stole their accent, and their love of tea

[edgy laurel]

(i'm drinking irish breakfast tea right now)

[devout ridge]

except we didn’t share the accent

[topaz veldt]

bro its night time

[devout ridge]

brit’s ditched the old accent but the southern us didn’t

[edgy laurel]

it does nothing to me, i just like it

[devout ridge]

perfect time to have a cup of coffee imo

I routinely drink espresso before bed, it’s the only way i dream

[devout ridge]

adhd?

[topaz veldt]

I can't eat breakfast sausage at night though - it has the word breakfast in it

[edgy laurel]

i mean, probably? not sure how thats related

[devout ridge]

Adhd affects how caffeine impacts the brain

[edgy laurel]

One of THOSE??? na, breakfast is good 24/7

[topaz veldt]

its not the caffeine its the fact that the book is titled "Rise and shine, kiddo!" and you're reading it to go to sleep

[devout ridge]

it affects how stimulants in general affect the brain

that’s why people with adhd take stimulants as medication

mellows you out, balances out your norepinephrine levels

[ancient wind]

xmp profile 1 or 2?

[topaz veldt]

XMP 3

[devout ridge]

whichever is faster with lower latency

usually that’s 1, but some brands are quirky

[ancient wind]

no option

[topaz veldt]

its over then

[ancient wind]

where do I check latency? I see the speed, p1 is 5600, p2 is 6000

[topaz veldt]

you want all the XMPs you can find

[devout ridge]

pick p2

[topaz veldt]

they're like pokemons

[devout ridge]

once you achieve enlightenment you can unlock the legendary XMP 4

[brisk jolt]

Plan C

[ancient wind]

while im in bios is there any other things I could change lol

uhhh it said memory overclock failed

i tried to take a photo but didnt have time

[edgy laurel]

p1 time

hopefully you're on a recent BIOS

[odd bison]

is the ram alive ?

😭

[ancient wind]

i actually tried it p1 first because i saw it was more stable and I think I would prefer that

[ancient wind]

yes lol

let me restart my pc again

[odd bison]

good

i tho bro killed his ram

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-anime-anime-clap-clap-anime-gif-27407498

[ancient wind]

nah i just went intk windows and it still showed 64gb

[odd bison]

my friend killed his cpu he clocked it 70%+

[grizzled lily]

Also, really odd question, I heard you could run dual gpu with lossless scaling, do you reckon I could run both 9070 xt and 5070 ti?

[ancient wind]

well thats stupud

[odd bison]

and he had cheap ass fan

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[ancient wind]

that would probably cause some crazy ungodly errors

[odd bison]

never clock cpu if no water cooling system

😭

[ancient wind]

i have like 10 fans

[fervent elm]

Fiber and any other provider cant come soon enough

[ancient wind]

but im not oc it lol

[odd bison]

normal

it was a expensive intel K series too

😢

[odd bison]

250$🤯

[ancient wind]

i guess no xmp lol

[odd bison]

great u killed ur ram

🤫🗣️🔥

[ancient wind]

no i can just turn xmp off and its fine

[odd bison]

but it will go from 3200 to 2900

mt/s

[ancient wind]

it was originally 4000

[odd bison]

then it will go like 3200

[ancient wind]

but xmp would bring it to 6000

[ancient wind]

wsit what

[odd bison]

what is max mt/s of ur ram?

[ancient wind]

6000

[odd bison]

is it 4000 max or 6000

[edgy laurel]

4800 base, 6000 xmp

[odd bison]

oh then 5,200 mt/s depends on model

[ancient wind]

well actually 4000 base but yeah

let me try xmp p2

[odd bison]

which company bios you have?

[ancient wind]

msi

[odd bison]

ok

its pre bulid or own bulid?

[ancient wind]

own build of course

[odd bison]

never heard the name

[ancient wind]

teamgroup?

[odd bison]

😭

nah i dont think they sell in my country

[ancient wind]

its a pretty well established company lol

[ancient wind]

ahhh

okay well p2 loaded fine

[odd bison]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-project-sekai-empty-miku-nightcord-n25-gif-18144515840753142505

[ancient wind]

okay cool

[odd bison]

dont blast ur pc tho

[odd bison]

🙏

[ancient wind]

well this ram is built specifically for overclocking so

[edgy laurel]

how so?

because you're not doing so hot so far

[odd bison]

wtf need 64 gb 😭 32 is well enough or more than enough

[edgy laurel]

do you know what they use the PC for?

[ancient wind]

Loooooool i think thats a me error

[ancient wind]

absolutly not, I want to get 256

[odd bison]

for anything 32 is enough

😭😔

[edgy laurel]

You're dead wrong.

[odd bison]

when piece of software need all of 64gb ram?

[ancient wind]

I edit video codecs which have 3gbps data rate lol

[edgy laurel]

64GB is baseline for a pro workstation

bare minimum

[odd bison]

just get 1tb ram at this rate

🙏

[edgy laurel]

can be done

(not on that platform)

[ancient wind]

Video editing and 3D animation is very taxing

[odd bison]

does any motherboard even support 1tb

[edgy laurel]

Many

[odd bison]

ram

[edgy laurel]

but not consumer platforms

[ancient wind]

I had a 3D model of the entire of westminster london, which all needed to be loaded into my ram. It didnt, so I had to simplify the model by 70x

[odd bison]

for servers ofc

but for normal usage

[odd bison]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-dead-nah-bro-gojo-dead-gojo-nah-bro-gojo-satoru-gojo-gif-13021841178994756702

what is bro onto

[edgy laurel]

Computers come much more powerful than home desktops for video games

[ancient wind]

You can never get enough ram for video and VFX prod lol

[odd bison]

but normal Consumers cant get hand on powerful pcs

at least at a limit

[edgy laurel]

sure they can, if they have the budget

[ancient wind]

many do

[odd bison]

Nvidia still as many GPU which out class 5090 in raw power

[edgy laurel]

Go buy this Threadripper 9995WX system with 7x 5090's https://www.overclockers.co.uk/8pack-supernova-mk3-amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-extreme-pc-sys-8pk-00076.html

[odd bison]

ik my guy that i am part of the server

🙏 bro think i live under rock

[edgy laurel]

you kinda sound like it

[odd bison]

Your assumption is wrong.

[edgy laurel]

but most teenagers sound like this lol

[odd bison]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-grandpa-gif-11055948006915227502

u sound like this now

[edgy laurel]

That guy has a clue 😆

[ancient wind]

oh my goddd, this vfx clip which my pc has been struggling with just plays back so cleanly now

wow

[edgy laurel]

🙏

[odd bison]

back in my days Syndrome😭

[ancient wind]

thanks everyone for the help

[odd bison]

every one gets it after they pass there 20's

[ancient wind]

now I just need to wait for prices to go down so I can stock up on more RAM

[edgy laurel]

Highly suggested to not try and just add a kit to what you already have, not unless you want to deal with having to lower the speed even more

Replace it with a 2x48GB or 2x64GB kit

[odd bison]

remember yall were dumb as us not born with godly amount of Experience or knowledge

🤡

[ancient wind]

I already have maxed out 4 slots so id do a full replacement dont worry

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Overclocking-High-performance-Productivity-Applications-Mirror-like-Gold/dp/B0F61WVZJH/ref=asc_df_B0F61WVZJH?mcid=09660814a84c333e83a339da50ce4113&hvocijid=10899794235191415134-B0F61WVZJH-&hvexpln=74&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696285193871&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10899794235191415134&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9210454&hvtargid=pla-2281435176618&psc=1&gad_source=1

[edgy laurel]

Wait, you're 4x16GB now?

[ancient wind]

this seems good, the max ram my mb can handle + 6000mhz

[odd bison]

why not get another build and add extra screen

[ancient wind]

yeah unfortunatly

[edgy laurel]

no wonder you can't hit 6000 lol

[ancient wind]

ahh is that the issue?

[edgy laurel]

this is a horrible idea

[odd bison]

10,000 mt/s 🤑

[ancient wind]

How come, its cl28 6000mhz, 192gb? I dont see a downside

other than the ugly colours and rgb

[odd bison]

white bulid are clean too

[ancient wind]

and the price but im not buying now

[edgy laurel]

you will when you try and likely fail to get anywhere near 6000

[ancient wind]

Yeah I have a white one

[pure garnet]

4 dual rank sticks at 6000 on am5?

[ancient wind]

Well id rather more capacity and 5600

[edgy laurel]

not am5

[pure garnet]

that is what we call a pipe dream lol

[edgy laurel]

iirc

i think he said 12th gen? maybe? unknown board and BIOS revision

[ancient wind]

i5 13th gen, 14 core 3.5ghz

[pure garnet]

yeah that's still not happening

[odd bison]

guys is it safe to use thunderbolt to charge the laptop?

[ancient wind]

so I need to upgrade cpu before my ram?

[topaz veldt]

upgrade your CPU into RAM

[pure garnet]

no consumer platform right now is doing 4 sticks of dual rank at high speed

[edgy laurel]

If you really want 192GB+ you need to get off that consumer platform

[pure garnet]

if you really need capacity you shouldn't have to chase speed anyway

jedec ecc unironically your play

[odd bison]

how do even get Corporate level market as a consumer😭

[topaz veldt]

If you really want 192GB+ of RAM you probably don't

[edgy laurel]

amazon

[ancient wind]

Okay well I could do with 128gb, I just want as much as I can tbh. I didnt know there was caviats to having more ram. I just got the 192 number from the max my mb can take

[pure garnet]

you can buy epycs off newegg

[odd bison]

sadly newegg does not ship to my country

💔

[edgy laurel]

the point was, anywhere you buy pc parts

[pure garnet]

well judging by the $800 budget you had earlier you didn’t have epyc money

[odd bison]

idk i put my address it say cant not be shipped to your location try another location

[ancient wind]

Okay so I should just get 128gb 6000mhz, which would in reality clock at 5600mhz?

[pure garnet]

don’t they have 2x96gb kits now

[edgy laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-jurassic-park-ellie-gif-3369502172022922564

[pure garnet]

i’d just get one of those

[odd bison]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-judah-meme-fnaf-meme-man-fnaf-meme-fnaf-title-screen-gif-23823003

[pure garnet]

oh wait that’s ecc

[edgy laurel]

i was gonna say, we just got 64GB UDIMMs

[ancient wind]

that wouldve been crazy

Would it really be a problem to run 32x4?

[odd bison]

2x128gb? ddr5

[pure garnet]

i mean it'll run just give up on turning on xmp

[ancient wind]

I mean xmp p2 works right now

[pure garnet]

if you really need the capacity it really shouldn't matter

[pure garnet]

16gb sticks are single rank modules

[ancient wind]

yeah cpacity is much more important to me

[topaz veldt]

"Is this thing that you are all saying won't work really not going to work?"

"Yes, avoid that"

"OK but"

[pure garnet]

a 32gb stick is a dual rank module in 99% of cases

[ancient wind]

I am just trying to understand, I wasnt aware on all of these caviats

[topaz veldt]

There's a reason why server CPUs, which handle a lot more memory, have like 4, 6, 8, 12 memory channels

[edgy laurel]

rupi is fine, trying to learn and actually has a usecase

[pure garnet]

1dpc 1r
1dpc 2r
2dpc 1r
2dpc 2r

is the general order for hardest to run at speed on consumer platforms

[ancient wind]

Can you explain the term dual rank module?

[odd bison]

12 🤯

what if 12 2x256 ddr5

[edgy laurel]

you know they don't know what that means

[pure garnet]

yeah i realizied after hitting enter

[edgy laurel]

genuinely trying to learn so dumb it down!

[pure garnet]

dual rank means the chip has to talk to the chips twice sorta

in the simpliest terms

[ancient wind]

is this the reason why the ram goes in slot 2 and 4 first?

[pure garnet]

that's 2 different channels

consumer boards have 2 memory channels

[odd bison]

its possible ik but might be more than 20k bulid

[edgy laurel]

can that hit all those maximums at one time. 3TB 8800 MRDIMM

[topaz veldt]

No - 512GB max

[ancient wind]

gotchu

[topaz veldt]

I am showing you a 12-channel CPU

[edgy laurel]

thats small potatoes for pro level gear to do big jobs

[idle lodge]

is this a good channel for software development feedback?

[edgy laurel]

not really, honestly

[idle lodge]

saw #development, I go there

[pure garnet]

depending on the board slots 1 and 3 can be a bit weaker to answer why 2-4

signal goes to those slots first then 1-3

[edgy laurel]

probably not the best server

[topaz veldt]

this is the most DIMM slots an AM5 consumer board should have

[ancient wind]

For video editing I found out capacity is much more important than speed so I think I can make the compromise

[edgy laurel]

inb4 "why is there 3"

[topaz veldt]

every time

[ancient wind]

bro i was just about to say that, typed it out and all

I would actually like to know

[edgy laurel]

we've been around the block lol

the third looks different, its not for RAM

[idle lodge]

hmm, maybe, I will stay because I am looking for feedback for the steam frame, if any developer uses it here

[ancient wind]

ahhhh

[idle lodge]

trying to work on the pcie stuff

although I have no kit yet

and the entry fee is like 100 USD or something

[edgy laurel]

Its a riser card for more m.2 drives

[ancient wind]

oh wow that actually looks pretty neat, any benefit to this over pcie?

[edgy laurel]

it is PCIe

[idle lodge]

any concerns with heat dissapation on it? does it include a heat spreader?

[ancient wind]

ahh...

[edgy laurel]

just a fancy riser for more slots

[topaz veldt]

its pcie in another area

[ancient wind]

interesting okay

[topaz veldt]

they are pcie 4.0 only

and hang off the chipset, so meh

[idle lodge]

heat should not be an issue then

[odd bison]

is it for ram? the heat Distribution

[idle lodge]

that heat spreader looks like it needs airflow and cannot be very passive

[edgy laurel]

read above. DIMM.2

[odd bison]

ok

[edgy laurel]

its in a better position than the same drives stuck under the GPU flat against the motherboard. heat isn't really a concern

[ancient wind]

will there be a speed difference from 128gb to 192gb even if both are four sticks? What is the factor that induces the speed to be lower?

[topaz veldt]

4 DIMMs of that capacity will basically be stuck around 5200, 5600 if you're lucky

[ancient wind]

okay so it is the amount of sticks and not the capacity?

[edgy laurel]

why 2x DIMM's max is recommended if speed is a concern

[topaz veldt]

its a combination of both, but both will be dual rank, so they are equally not ideal

[pure garnet]

once you get above 16/24gb sticks you're in dual rank so they're about the same

[ancient wind]

I believe capacity is most important for me

[pure garnet]

what are you doing with this memory

[ancient wind]

Okay makes sense

[edgy laurel]

Generally if you're finding yourself in a position where you need 128GB of RAM+, bleeding edge speed is less of a concern.

[ancient wind]

I am a director and VFX artist so I am always dealing with very large files and fast data rates

[ancient wind]

yeah I believe so

[edgy laurel]

you want your projects to fit entirely in RAM no matter what

[ancient wind]

More or less, at least certain areas before I render it out, usually you work incrementally with more intensive projects. Sometimes a single clip can fill the entire ram so you need to render that out by itself as a different file once you have composited it

[shell void]

did u see the 128GB 4R CUDIMMs?

[ancient wind]

Some frames are 300mb so imagine that x 25fps, it gets rough

[edgy laurel]

I feel like a threadripper system with 256GB+ GB might truly benefit you

[ancient wind]

looooool maybe once I can afford that

[ancient wind]

its definitely a requirement at some point in my career for sure

[topaz veldt]

get PCIe 5.0 NVMe for scratch space

[idle lodge]

most people do not need gen 5

[ancient wind]

I have a NAS for all my storage and cache files so no worries there

[idle lodge]

is there somethiing you need the extra bandwidth for?

[ancient wind]

its more just the general playback

[topaz veldt]

NAS is infinitely slower than scratch space for larger video files

[idle lodge]

they heat up a lot

[ancient wind]

okay true you are right

[idle lodge]

I just have a large ramdisk for my stuff

[ancient wind]

I do only have 10 gigabit

[odd bison]

why do ssd heat while having large file transfer?

[ancient wind]

rub your hands together fast for 10 mins

[idle lodge]

electrons being pushed in/out capacitors generates heat from friction

[odd bison]

even in 3gb

file size

[ancient wind]

rub your hands together for 20s lol

[odd bison]

no like external ssd stay more cool then nvme ones

[topaz veldt]

I think in the case of editing, instead of trying to have like... 512GB of RAM, think about having 96GB of RAM and an NVMe that does 15 GB/s transfer, kind of solves the issue

[idle lodge]

as long as it has proper cooling you should be fine

dont buy a gen 5 ssd without cooling

[topaz veldt]

You don't need anything special for new PCIe 5 NVMe

[ancient wind]

I think my main problem with this is the actual storage space too though, each project can be like 3tb alone

or are you suggesting once finished I then move to my NAS?

And have the nvme as a temp work solution for live projects

[topaz veldt]

So get a 4TB PCIe 5.0 NVMe

Yes make PCIe 5.0 NVMe as "scratch" (what its called in premiere), put the source files there, etc. export to wherever, and then migrate all the data to a NAS once done

[ancient wind]

fuck adobe I dont use prem looool

[topaz veldt]

whatever its all the same, different terms is all

[ancient wind]

Sounds like a pretty good solution to be honest

[ancient wind]

yeah no worries lmao, both work the same

[topaz veldt]

Thats how its done, people can't afford 512GB of RAM

[ancient wind]

what drive and pcie reader should i get that can handle those speeds?

[topaz veldt]

I use WD SN8100 4.0 TB

I have a few of them, no issues with any of them

[ancient wind]

okay thats pretty good, I already have my main nvme slot filled for my C: drive though, where would I put it for max speed?

[ancient wind]

ahh and I dont have any free pcie either because of my network card lol

[ancient wind]

gadamn

[topaz veldt]

You'd want to put a PCIe 5.0 NVMe in a 5.0 slot

Your C:\ can be wherever

your board prob has multiple slots

[ancient wind]

okay this is my motherboard

c drive in the lower one? scratch in the top one?

is it tricky to move a c drive?

[edgy laurel]

do you need to do anything?

[ancient wind]

i mean my c drive is in the top one right now

[edgy laurel]

thats pretty normal

[idle lodge]

usually the closest one to CPU is the fastest or latest gen, so unless you are using an older generation SSD i use the top one

[edgy laurel]

That doesn't strike me as a Gen5 capable board (but i'm too lazy to look it up) and unless you have a Gen5 drive in the first place it won't matter.

[ancient wind]

yeah but did you not mention to put the scratch drive that needs the crazy speeds in the top one?

[ancient wind]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[topaz veldt]

proposing he use a Gen 5 drive for scratch space

[ancient wind]

okay thanks

[edgy laurel]

That depends on what drive youhave and the capability of the slot

[topaz veldt]

vs trying to get like 192GB of RAM

[ancient wind]

well lets say its the one you sent which is 14,000mb/s

[topaz veldt]

scooch the NVMe down to another slot and jam an SN8100 in there

set that up as the scratch space, see how your editing goes

[edgy laurel]

don't use that for real information that you aren't fact checking. that board does not have a Gen5 slot. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z790-S-WIFI/Specification

[ancient wind]

forgive my ignorance but would that not make my windows slower on a slower slot?

[topaz veldt]

@ancient wind look at this funny stuff

[ancient wind]

ahhhh..

[edgy laurel]

you're missing a lot of perspective here.

[edgy laurel]

What drives do you have now

you have 2x Gen4 slots, if you have 2x Gen4 drives moving them around isn't going to do anything for you

[ancient wind]

Well I figure that now yeah

[teal orbit]

you could even downgrade to like gen 3 and probably not notice for the vast majority of drives

[ancient wind]

I have 1 nvme 2 ssd, and a NAS

[edgy laurel]

so 3 SSD's, two of which are SATA and one NVMe. Putting all your scratch files on an NVMe may speed workflows up a bit

[ancient wind]

I apologise, ive always heard to put the c drive in the fastest slot otherwise there may be issues.

[edgy laurel]

and you have a free slot, from the sounds of it

[topaz veldt]

Windows won't care if its on a PCIe 3.0, 4.0, or 5.0 you really won't notice

probably wouldn't notice if it were on a SATA SSD personally

[edgy laurel]

its a "rule of thumb" for something to tell people who don't know what they're doing.

but if you have more specific needs, there is more nuance to it

where are these project files stored now?

[grizzled lily]

guys should I live stream my first comp build?

[edgy laurel]

If they're truly this large and need to be loaded in and out of RAM, having them on NVMe may genuinely help

[ancient wind]

On my NAS which is what I edit off currently. It runs at 10 gigabit

[ancient wind]

yeah I can see it being very benificial

[topaz veldt]

Dude this is your issue

I am willing to wager $5,000 your NAS, even though it has a 10 Gbps NIC, is not doing anything near that

[ancient wind]

I mean not all of my work uses these massive massive files but there is some crazy projects which require it

[topaz veldt]

Do not throw RAM in a build that has a bad workflow

[ancient wind]

Nah it is reaching it

I have 6 data drives with 2 parity, 200mb/s each

[edgy laurel]

5nail isn't one to tango with over storage and network performance unless you know your shit. strap in

🫡

[pure garnet]

please not another nas i can't take it

[topaz veldt]

What is the RAID config?

[teal orbit]

you reminded me I need to build a new nas

[ancient wind]

my bad 😭 im a hobbyist in these senses, but I do take this stuff seriously

[edgy laurel]

nothing will be that bad again, don't worry

[ancient wind]

z2

I use truenas

[topaz veldt]

So your NAS has a double-write penalty, meaning it effetively writes at the speed of one drive

[teal orbit]

3?

[topaz veldt]

1

[edgy laurel]

write isn't really much of a concern here though, right?

[topaz veldt]

Yes it is if its his scratch space

[teal orbit]

why would double write divide it by 6

[edgy laurel]

oh, true

[ancient wind]

Wait I may have gotten the config name wrong, t is writing at the speed of 6 with 2 parity

[topaz veldt]

If he is working off of the NAS its going to be ass

[edgy laurel]

if these are big files, absolutely

[topaz veldt]

It doesn't matter bud - 6 spindles ain't doing shit for editing videos

[ancient wind]

Yeah im sure it wont be as fast as an nvme

[teal orbit]

I think it would be fine

[topaz veldt]

It won't be as fast as a SATA SSD

[topaz veldt]

I know it won't be, but thats OK

[edgy laurel]

Take that money you were going to spend on memory and slap a 4TB or 8TB NVMe in that second slot.

[topaz veldt]

Here's how I know

thats like... 24 SSDs

[edgy laurel]

Move as many files as you can to it and work off of there

[topaz veldt]

And CIFS/SMB blows - it does nothing near 10 Gbps on spinners

[edgy laurel]

what software are you working in again, out of curiosity?

[topaz veldt]

Thats 1 Gbps brother

[ancient wind]

lol yeah im proving your point

[topaz veldt]

yep

Ditcht the memory idea, go get a 4TB SN8100 and put it in a Gen 5 slot

[edgy laurel]

man, even things like timeline scrubbing are going to suffer

[ancient wind]

actually its my gpu that cant handle the frames, wait how do I do a comprohensive nas speed test

[topaz veldt]

yup

your GPU is fine

A 5070 Ti is more than enough to edit 4K videos

[ancient wind]

this is 5 layers of 8k lol

[edgy laurel]

hey he's got quicksync 😉

[topaz veldt]

it will give no shits about it

NVENC is going to grind that up

the problem is if your source files are behind that 1 Gbps NAS

[livid flame]

I see 2 Ethernet. Is he using a motherboard with 1gbps and 2.5gbps and only using the 1? Not that it is his problem but…

[ancient wind]

well it was reaching 2 fps which was restricting the amount the nas could read per sec, how can I test the speed of the nas by itself?

[edgy laurel]

by the looks of it, he's got one of these

[ancient wind]

I have a NIC, one is just my internet and other is my NAS

[ancient wind]

exact one yes

[topaz veldt]

Not worth it if his NAS moves so slow - ditch the NIC go on board 2.5 Gbps and get a slot back for NVMes

[edgy laurel]

are.. are we sure he's actually talkign to the NAS over 10Gb?

[topaz veldt]

Only he can confirm

[ancient wind]

how can I test the max speed of the nas

[topaz veldt]

copy a file lol

[ancient wind]

I am actually curious

[livid flame]

If he’s not using up to 10gb, what’s the point

[ancient wind]

ahh bet

[edgy laurel]

try to break that 933Mb/s

if you're hard limited there, something is up with your config

[teal orbit]

it being 933 specifically makes me think there's a 1 gigabit bottleneck somewhere. That sounds similar to what kind of overhead youd normally get

[ancient wind]

thats write speed though, what about read speed

[edgy laurel]

yep

[livid flame]

Hang on, he is using a NAS of spin drives? Will he even use that bandwidth?

[ancient wind]

right okay

[edgy laurel]

it should be able to do over 1Gb

[topaz veldt]

its going to do 600 MB/s reads

thats my estimate

[edgy laurel]

would need to know more about how everything is wired

this NAS isn't also wired to a switch/router on your network independent of the 10Gb link to your PC, is it?

[topaz veldt]

I suspect its direct connect

[ancient wind]

I have all of my drives plugged into a HBA, then plugged directly into a NIC.

[edgy laurel]

uh

someone help me translate that lol

not computing

[livid flame]

So you’re asking for 10gb but your nas is transmitting at 1

[ancient wind]

That was only because my gpu was bottlenecking the frame rate, how do I test read speed alone?

[teal orbit]

Is your nic plugged into a switch, then PC plugged into a switch

[pure garnet]

copy a file off it

[ancient wind]

nah I am afraid I dont own a switch

[livid flame]

It sounds like your nas is only capable of 1

[edgy laurel]

basic network file copy from the NAS to your PC and see if you can break 1Gb/s

[teal orbit]

Huh so it is plugged directly into your PC?

[topaz veldt]

@ancient wind does your TrueNAS have a 10 Gbps nic directly plugged into the PC

[teal orbit]

There's truenas?

[livid flame]

It doesn’t by the sounds of it

[topaz veldt]

It does by the sound of it

[ancient wind]

yes

10gbps on both ends

[edgy laurel]

I thought it was safe to assume their NAS was also using a 10GbE capable NIC...

[teal orbit]

theres this beautiful thing called iperf3

[topaz veldt]

useless for testing storage

[teal orbit]

Oh I meant to test the network link

[edgy laurel]

A basic file copy will prove out any concerns over a 1Gb/s bottleneck in about 3 seconds

[teal orbit]

since the hypothesis is that there's a gigabit bottleneck

[topaz veldt]

@ancient wind copy a 5GB file (or so) from the NAS to the desktop

[ancient wind]

yeah from my nas to my C: this is what I am getting, uhh not very good

[topaz veldt]

Am I good or what?

[edgy laurel]

well alright then

[ancient wind]

looool

[edgy laurel]

thats good though

[topaz veldt]

That's "good" for NAS speeds but that's very poor for timeline editing

[ancient wind]

https://tenor.com/view/kneel-knight-princess-gif-2124832552032785629

[edgy laurel]

of course

[topaz veldt]

because there's two things at play - throughput but also IOPS

[ancient wind]

yeah my thoughts

[edgy laurel]

but at least the 1Gb/s mystery is debunked

[topaz veldt]

yup

[ancient wind]

is this the hard drive limitation or what

[topaz veldt]

that 100 MB/s is the write penalty of RAIDZ2

[topaz veldt]

Its a combination of spindles and the protocol

There are ways you can cheat but its not going to be better than a local NVMe

If we set you up for iSCSI we could use ZIL inside the TrueNAS box which would use its RAM as a write tier and would mask the shitty performance of the pool

This is my TrueNAS

[ancient wind]

damn thats good

[topaz veldt]

but thats with iSCSI, all flash, and 4 x 10 Gbps links in MPIO

[ancient wind]

no idea what you said tbh

[teal orbit]

nas nerd

[topaz veldt]

Basically "Windows File Share" out of TrueNAS sucks AND the spindles performance sucks

TrueNAS does nice things, but SMB just sucks

[ancient wind]

damn right okay

[wise bear]

this explains why my smb share likes to vanish sometimes for no reason with no error logging

[ancient wind]

so what were u suggesting me to do?

[pure garnet]

i just sftp everything to mine because i haven't felt like setting up samba

[topaz veldt]

The problem is worse though - even that 600 MB/s seems OK, but if you were reading like small pieces of files rapidly (like you would timeline scrubbing) it can prob only do like 100 IOPS... a local NVMe will do like 100,000 - 500,000 IOPs

[topaz veldt]

I am still suggesting you get a 4TB NVMe in the machine as "working space"

[ancient wind]

so basically the solution for me is to get an nvme and thats it, got it

[pure garnet]

yeah that would be your best move

[edgy laurel]

NAS is still useful for "offline" storage

[topaz veldt]

Yup

[ancient wind]

I feel I should still upgrade my ram aswell just because thats a seperate issue, I think ive reached my limit of 64 regardless

[topaz veldt]

Save your raw footage and exported footage redundantly, etc.

[wise bear]

illmatic was his best album tbh

[ancient wind]

yeah I like it to just store everything

[edgy laurel]

and that 10Gb link will be nice to move things back and forth, but your "scratch" space for projects will be much happier on NVMe

[ancient wind]

facts 💯

[ancient wind]

alright nice

[wise bear]

I remember for a long while on amazon when you searched "nas" you'd get that album in the top 5 results

[ancient wind]

I dont think ive ever edited off an nvme that will be interesting

will my life change lol

[topaz veldt]

it will change your life

[edgy laurel]

lmao

[topaz veldt]

lol

[wise bear]

kek

[young void]

[ancient wind]

i feel like ive learnt so much today about how dumb my whle config is

[livid flame]

It’s not dumb

It’s just not used to its full potential

[edgy laurel]

workign with what you had and the knowledge you had. now you just know more

[ancient wind]

no xmp, editing off a nas which wasnt even 2gbit loool

[topaz veldt]

its not dumb, and its working as it should, you have to modify your workflow

[young void]

Happens, people dont know stuff till they do type deal

[wise bear]

gouda
swiss
pepperjack
aged cheddar

all on sourdough with caramelized onions with spicy tomato soup

[topaz veldt]

But at least you're not trying to spend poorly on 128 - 192GB of RAM only to fine you're still hitting the NAS for editing

[livid flame]

I’m one of those few people in life that really do not like cheese

[wise bear]

ya girl's gonna ball out with the grilled cheese tonight

[ancient wind]

alight thanks alot fellas, its 5am for me so im going to sleep now ...

[livid flame]

I still struggle to understand you cheese people

[ancient wind]

actually really helpful all of you

[edgy laurel]

good luck!

[topaz veldt]

Come back and report that its better

[ancient wind]

well once my invoices get paid ill buy the nvme and lyk

[young void]

Nvidias a cursed disc lol cheese fiends everywhere

[livid flame]

Curious. If he’s buying that much ram why not an 8tb nvme

[edgy laurel]

he's not buying RAM, but he may be getting a big NVMe now

[livid flame]

Sorry if he was^

[ancient wind]

Well I thought my 30tb nas was enough, unknowlngly it was the issue

[edgy laurel]

thats exactly what we just finished figuring out lol

[ancient wind]

ima still get more ram tho lol, just after

[livid flame]

Will need a mortgage for ram soon tbh

[topaz veldt]

I know a broker

[livid flame]

I got 3 kids. May have to make atleast one a console scrub growing up to afford better PCs 😂

[edgy laurel]

does he like bmws

[livid flame]

I know far too many mortgage brokers tbh

[topaz veldt]

Memory brokers

Portable mortgages is a cool idea not gonna lie

[wise bear]

Brian: "Peter already identifies as a woman and is therefore a woman"
Stewie: "At karaoke I identify as George Michael but that doesn't make it true"

I'm fucking dead dude

[livid flame]

Put that on twitter and you’ll probably get 24 months jail time in the UK

Free speech is dead

[topaz veldt]

Sounds like y'all need a no kings rally

[livid flame]

3 things you can’t disagree with on twitter without getting jail time in the UK. 1- someone else’s gender identity, 2- women’s football being an elite sport, 3- King Charles being the father of Harry

The latter hasn’t been proven nor disproven, nor has the people that have silently disappeared from media over the years that isn’t the BBC.

[topaz veldt]

I dunno we dumped some tea so we don't have to deal with that

[grizzled lily]

yoo this guy in microcenter store said that sk hynix p41 2 tb has a write bug

[pure garnet]

he’s not wrong

slc cache fills up and never comes back

[livid flame]

Sounds like someone at microcenter needs a new job that pays better. He’s helpful

[grizzled lily]

damm it imm have to return it plan ruined😭

any other 2 tb other than some biwin or samsung?

[grizzled lily]

they ssid sk did release a fix but it works 50/50😂

[grizzled lily]

like how am i supposed to check that firmware for ssd

[livid flame]

The company I work for has existed since 1977. It got its first big company contract in like 2007. Yet I’m considered “OG” by the company for being here before 2020 and being one of 70 employees then.. Im so confused.

[grizzled lily]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[strong ocean]

you were just 70 employes back when you entered? i got confused sorry

[livid flame]

Yeah and we are like 350 now, I think I was number 63 iirc in 2019

[young void]

At least youre valued fam

[strong ocean]

i mean in that case you are a OG in a respect way you were there before they got to 3 digit number of employees

[livid flame]

Tbh bonus 10% salary bonus every year. Pay rises without asking. I can’t grumble.

[wise bear]

thats based

[strong ocean]

see? sticking with smtg does have value

[livid flame]

If I continue doing project work alongside my actual role I will ask for a pay rise for the first time ever tbh

[strong ocean]

im not even working yet on what i want, finishing collage while being a robotics teacher to children in a bunch of different private schools xd

[livid flame]

Invent robotics for farming instead

It’s mega money.

[strong ocean]

nah im not into robotics just doing that to have money for tuiton and live life

[young void]

There's a neeeed rn

In oregon every day 16 workers gone, 10 workers 8 workers its sad tbh but I get both sides

[livid flame]

My company are investing in a strawberry picking robot next year. The catch? It’s got to pick at 4 different height levels. Apparently we have paid a company stupid money for 3 years to develop the first one that can do that much at a time

[strong ocean]

but giving lessons made me realize i really do love being a teacher so i might consider teaching computer engineering in some collage since im doing that degree idk yet theres more money programing for international companys

[strong ocean]

so you work for a robotics company thats cool

[young void]

Did my time in the vineyards, and the strawberry fields, and the blueberry fields, and the meat processing factory during grave, and hurst/whatever name they change to seasonally berry farm

[livid flame]

Teaching is amazing. I’d love to do it. Problem is I would be shite at it

Naw I don’t do robotics. I work for a fruit company.. of sorts

[strong ocean]

the robotics i do are design for kids so nothing special tbh its called robothink they are present worldwide idk if u know what it is

[wise bear]

"fruit" company

or fruit company

[young void]

Strawberry where the worst pay by the pound

Work all day for scraps

Then walk 10miles+ home unless you catch the van

[strong ocean]

go pick the ones that are swarmed with spiders idk the name of the fruit xd

[livid flame]

We pay our pickers above minimum wage and a weekly picking bonus

[young void]

I got immancipated at 16 still grateful I could at least get by though

[livid flame]

Only place in the uk to do that. It’s mad.

[strong ocean]

its sad i never been to uk and part of my family is from there

[livid flame]

Sort of. Originally import and pack it. Now we grow some, import lots, export a little and manage some UK farms. Oh and own a couple of South American farms. In 6 years with this company I’ve seen madness in growth. They only imported fruit when I joined.

[wise bear]

I was implying apple or adult objects

[livid flame]

We are kind of like EA tbfh, we buy up other companies and made a group of companies. However we didn’t sack people and hired more tbh

Well… Apple…

Wouldn’t surprise me if we have an arm like that secretly

[strong ocean]

ho thats actaully a cool expanding strategy

i mean pretty used from must BIG companys straight up buying out other smaller companys but still

[livid flame]

60m turnover in 2019 to 750m in 2025.

[young void]

Business Isa boomin

[livid flame]

I worked in a huge company for 10 years. Fucking hated it. Loyalty gets ya nothing I originally thought

[strong ocean]

now pocket 200 M and run they wont notice (jk)

[livid flame]

I am kind of a product of nepotism though tbh

[young void]

Not in most places but on rare occasions with good people

[strong ocean]

huff as long as you are doing your job i dont blame anyone for using contacts

[livid flame]

Had a friend asking me for 5 years to join them tbh

[strong ocean]

i had the change to abuse nepotism cause my dad knows some big head guy in Cisco, even got on the interview ( i was in the first year of collage) i ended the meeting sayin to be completely honest i havent learnt enough yet to be fully productive on your company so out of respect for you your name and company i would like to postpone this opportunity after i finish uni so i can be productive and deserve the paycheck at the end of the month idk why the guy was shocked in a good way for the answer and kept my contacts and all lmao

[strong ocean]

yeah i work at Teleperformance for 3 years (you might know it as a "black company") and yeah overworked underpaid thankfully enough saved money to pay for uni and got out of that hellhole

and that situation only gor worse with every year that passed on teleperformance loyalty its actually worthless

[livid flame]

There’s definitely some industries where ‘direct’ hire rather than sourcing works. IT for me is one where it can work really well.

I think like everything depends where in that industry you sit. If you’re 1 in 1million or 1 in 1000, you’ll have a drastically different experience.

[strong ocean]

i mean yeah i think so i had that experience in where im working now since we are all a couple of people teachin in a bunch of schools everywhere in the nation so everything like good effort gets noticed by coordinators and stuff

[sturdy tusk]

Anyone know how to fix this issue, I factory reset led my laptop, and now it says no output devices found, I’ve tried installing drivers and it just isn’t working

[orchid mountain]

if i have a 4070 super would it be worth the upgrade if i got a 5080 at msrp?

[odd mantle]

well that's really up to you, if you find your gpu incapable of do things you are doing the maybe?

wouldnt recommend a generation upgrade unless its like 4060 to 5080 or sum

[civic reef]

Banana Republic

[teal orbit]

that's a tower in btd6

[civic reef]

It's a real company that overthrew a government with the help of the CIA for bananas

[thick parcel]

if money isn’t much of an object and the bigger number makes you feel better then sure, go for it.

Otherwise
If there are games you currently play with disappointing performance and you’ve seen that the perf of the 5080 in those same games is up to your standard then it’s probably worth it.

In any other scenario, I really doubt it’s worth it for you. Hold off for a more meaningful upgrade.

[topaz veldt]

Arc Raiders this AM - deployed 3 times. Teamed up with people 3 times. Killed 3 times by them.

[wraith steeple]

[topaz veldt]

hi

[wraith steeple]

Hello

[ancient wind]

AFTER i get a scratch drive, and after ram prices go back down, would these two work together well?

[topaz veldt]

What CPU do you have today

[gloomy vault]

if you already have an lga1700 mobo and decent cooling then its pretty good

4 sticks though even then it still likely run XMP @ 6000

[topaz veldt]

I would not get 6000 in intel

Intel runs Gear 2 so 6000 on Intel is not the same as 6000 on AMD

[ancient wind]

i5 13600k

pretty good for my current config

yeah id honestly be happy if i got to 5000+ mhz, capacity matters more to me than speed

[topaz veldt]

What is your ram usage today

[ancient wind]

I currently have 64gb which is no where near enough and maxes out instantly

[strange ginkgo]

you can never have enough ram

[ancient wind]

does it work with xmp? it does only say expo or is that just what it is optimised for

[ancient wind]

well thats what I thought too before i was told about how more ram can actually make it slower lol 😭

but yeah more ram is inherently better for what i need

[edgy laurel]

didn't we do all this yesterday

4x48GB 6000CL28 on a Pro Z790-S ain't happening

[ancient wind]

no im not expecting 6000

but i do need just max capacity

im happy with if i get 5200 or 5600

[proven cairn]

Hope you have an aio

[brisk jolt]

https://youtu.be/cYj-EpZqFfY

what the fuck…. is he driving on!!!???!!

[edgy laurel]

what do you mean?

[proven cairn]

Hey gang

[strange ginkgo]

yeah i was told the same thing and i ignored it and maxed out my board

with x3d CPU's ram speed is less relevant

[edgy laurel]

this was explained in great detail yesterday, its not as simple as you're making it out to be

in fact multiple hours were spent explaining this

192GB of RAM is fine, but you simply can't achieve the same speeds as someone with a 2x DIMM kit on a RAM OC board

[ancient wind]

nah but I have a whole lotta fans, my pc runs pretty cold and gets only a little warm

[ancient wind]

yeah exactly, which I am now made aware of and am fine making that compromise

[strange ginkgo]

custom looks are much more fun than AIO

[ancient wind]

like i said capacity is more important for my work than speed

[dense pelican]

how the hell do you remove a GPU when you can’t reach the pci latch because of a big cpu cooler?

[ancient wind]

screwdriver

[edgy laurel]

A tool

[strange ginkgo]

chainsaw

[ancient wind]

i was mainly curious if my cpu choice made sense or not if I was to upgrade to that capacity of ram

[edgy laurel]

If you find yourself in workloads where throwing more cores at the problem will make you more money, go ahead. Otherwise probably a waste of time

and money

[ancient wind]

well I need a cpu that can handle the amount of ram, and will great on both mult and single core

[strange ginkgo]

what CPU do you want to get?

[edgy laurel]

And you have an 13600k from effectively the same generation?

[ancient wind]

yes currently

[edgy laurel]

The CPU isn't a concern for RAM capacity compatability

[ancient wind]

i9 14900k

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-reportedly-working-on-arc-b380-panther-lake-xe3-igpu-for-gaming-handhelds @shell void

[ancient wind]

oh right? i thought it made a big difference

[ripe needle]

Huge

[edgy laurel]

Within reason. You're talking about two relatively modern chips.

[ripe needle]

B580 soon?

[ancient wind]

Oh alright okay, so maybe I dont even need to upgrade my cpu then?

[steel stream]

within the 13th gen and 14th gen family it won't make a super meaningful difference

[steel stream]

we already have one...

[ancient wind]

oh okay great

[ripe needle]

I knew that I was just testing you

[edgy laurel]

13600k to 14900k will only make sense if you analyze your workloads right now, determine if you're hammering all your cores at once and if adding more cores will speed up workflows fast enough to help YOU complete projects faster. Thus, making you more money. If you can't answer this, then don't do it.

[strange ginkgo]

mmh i does matter my 5800x3d for example can only handle up to 128 GB

[edgy laurel]

We're not talking about old AM4

[strange ginkgo]

still ram limits still apply the CPU he wants can only up to 192GB

[ancient wind]

Yeah for alot of the things I do all my cores do get very worked up, e.g. multi layer sequences. But there is also alot of single core processes which I feel I am a little behind on

[steel stream]

out of context for this conversation

[ancient wind]

With only 3.5 clock

[edgy laurel]

[ancient wind]

i think it makes sense for me to see how my cpu handles the new ram and go from there?

[edgy laurel]

its not 3.5, it'll be faster, much faster in practice

5+GHz

[ancient wind]

Id have to check it actually

[edgy laurel]

3.5Ghz is just the base freq

[strange ginkgo]

relevant for the statement he made 🤷‍♂️

[ancient wind]

I think you are right yeah

[edgy laurel]

no need

[brisk jolt]

are you ragebaiting or just this, like, a reverse genius

[edgy laurel]

DNF isn't working with the full context from the multiple hours last night

[ancient wind]

alright thanks

[steel stream]

yes this is absolutely what you should do

[ancient wind]

just need to wait for ram prices to go down lol

[brisk jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381193840159358976/1429172046046433390/IMG_7512.gif

[steel stream]

yeah, shit's crazy rn

[edgy laurel]

just keep in mind buying a 4x64GB kit and getting it running optimally isn't going to just be as simple as installing it and flicking on XMP, most likely.

Especially in that board

[ancient wind]

how much WOULD this cost if it wasnt inflated like crazy dyu think

right now its 800gbp

[steel stream]

just gotta be a jedec warrior

[ancient wind]

what would I encounter?

[edgy laurel]

😅

[steel stream]

enabling XMP would most likely result in a black screen and no boot

[ancient wind]

ueah I had that with p1 yesterday, p2 worked fine

[steel stream]

Jedec warrior 100%

[edgy laurel]

will likely need some manual down-tuning

[strange ginkgo]

i think it will come down to 400 when the AI bubble pops

[ancient wind]

okay thats affordable

[ancient wind]

is that easy enough to do? lol

[steel stream]

yeah you should be able to load XMP and then set the frequency to like 4800 MHz or smth

[ancient wind]

damn not even 5200?

[edgy laurel]

YMMV, will have to wait and see

[steel stream]

you can try that first

[ancient wind]

gotchu

[edgy laurel]

when you push extremes, things become less and less predictable

and capacities like this on consumer platforms would definitely be considered an extreme

the hardware isn't really designed for it, no one really bothers doing it, etc..

[ancient wind]

would that possibly result in visual errors in my playback for example? what could occur?

[edgy laurel]

once you get things booting, no

thats your main hurdle

[ancient wind]

oh right thats fine then, ill just beat that hurdle and I should be all good

[fringe vigil]

can you message nvidia live chat to say what’s my progress on my cables

[edgy laurel]

you could just spend $20 and buy one yourself

[ancient wind]

i mean ill go to the highest speed i can, if that truly may be 4800 then so be it

[fringe vigil]

Risk.. could cause fires according to kordell and worm

Unstable voltage?

[edgy laurel]

if you say so

meanwhile, your stock Nvidia adapter melted

"logic"

i linked you this a week or two ago https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920348/corsair-type-4-psu-90-12v-2x6-style-b-cable-cp-8920348

Official cable for your PSU

[fringe vigil]

Not me they’re saying, I don’t want my gpu to cause fire or melt further

But I don’t see how that’s possible

[edgy laurel]

because it can melt from literally any cable

[fringe vigil]

So does it matter if it’s nvidia cable or not

[edgy laurel]

case in point, your stock Nvidia cable melted

[fringe vigil]

After 2 years

[edgy laurel]

you can't prevent the possibility

[fringe vigil]

F it, im just gonnna order that one, also why style B

[edgy laurel]

so all i'm saying is if you want a new cable to use your 4090, just buy that Corsair one. Confirm again what PSU?

[fringe vigil]

Rmx850

[edgy laurel]

yeah thats fine then

[fringe vigil]

Why style b

[edgy laurel]

really up to you but up and over the top is kinda silly

[fringe vigil]

Yh that’s bad

I’m gonna buy and try it out

Does it have 4 connector slots things

[arctic bronze]

Hi jorjy porgy

[fringe vigil]

Hello

[edgy laurel]

Its NOT an adapter

its a full cable replacement from the PSU to the GPU

[fringe vigil]

Oh yh

But why nvidia have 4 of those things

[edgy laurel]

Corsair rates their PSU side connectors at ~300W each

[topaz veldt]

Nvidia goes by worst case

4 x 150w = 600w

but your cable didn't melt on the PCIe 8-pin side

[edgy laurel]

so i'm just think if you dont' wanna wait for Nvidia to send you a new adapter, just buy the Corsair cable and get back to gaming

[topaz veldt]

That said it could be because of high impedence on one of the cables

[fringe vigil]

Yes it did

[topaz veldt]

Yes it did what

[fringe vigil]

I should have stuck with the Corsair one Initslly bec I had bought it 2 years ago but returned it

[brisk jolt]

does corsair sell dis in white

Im too lazy to google search

[edgy laurel]

dunno

don't think so

[brisk jolt]

back to taking a shit i go

[topaz veldt]

I just use cable mod for corsair

[fringe vigil]

Which style

A or B

[edgy laurel]

jorj the "style" is specific to Corsair

[topaz veldt]

thats the safest bet imho

[edgy laurel]

some cards have the 4x sense pins on top

[fringe vigil]

Should I get that one

What’s the difference between the one guilty sent

[edgy laurel]

while some have the sense pins on the bottom

[fringe vigil]

Mine are at top

[topaz veldt]

it doesn't matter if your cable is straight

if you use a 90 it matters

[edgy laurel]

oh boy this is gonna send him into confusion

[topaz veldt]

lol

does he just need a corsair compliant 12vhpwr

[edgy laurel]

yep, he should just buy this #tech-chat-2 message

uk link and all, trying to make it easy for him lol

[fringe vigil]

Oh wow the item is on a back order

Gonna be like 2 weeks for shipping bruh

[edgy laurel]

welp

cablemod it is

[fringe vigil]

Send link

Is one better than the other

[edgy laurel]

its not a matter of being "better"

[young void]

If snails said its good both should be equals

[fringe vigil]

He has non fe cards so it’s good for him

[topaz veldt]

wait a second this is for an FE?

[fringe vigil]

Yup

[topaz veldt]

bro you can't run a 90 in an FE

[fringe vigil]

Wym

[edgy laurel]

sure you can

[fringe vigil]

4090 buddy

[topaz veldt]

Oh lol

mid GPU forgot

[fringe vigil]

[topaz veldt]

I am not a huge supporter of 90 deg cables

[edgy laurel]

cablemod availability on uk amazon is.. not great

[fringe vigil]

Uk ass that’s why

[topaz veldt]

that stinks

Sucks Jorje because I have like 4-5 12vhpwr cables you could just have

[fringe vigil]

Yh

[edgy laurel]

my moddiy cable hasn't let me down

[topaz veldt]

If you were in the Free States of the Bald Eagles I'd just mail you one

[fringe vigil]

u could gift bo7 instead

[edgy laurel]

never misses a chance to beg for game codes 🤣

[topaz veldt]

Its ass dude

[fringe vigil]

Have you seen campaign

[topaz veldt]

I would not gift BO7 out of respect for your mind

I played the campaign for an hour its fucked

[fringe vigil]

Knew it would be ass

[topaz veldt]

the campaign is basically an acid trip co-op multiplayer only with no save points

"Is this soul soil because if it is... I can just enchant my boots." - my son next to me playing Minecraft lol

no idea wtf he's talking about

[fringe vigil]

Oh me n you both

Kinda

[graceful marten]

wtf I just saw a 5090 for 900 usd? 🤔

Seems sketchy as fuck

[edgy laurel]

not from a reputable seller in perfect working order you didn't

[hallow path]

Would anyone have a recommendation or some research pointers for modern cases similar to Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX?
I really liked the all-metal / nearly all-metal feel of the case, and how sturdy the front mesh was. The recommendation doesn't have to be metal, but definitely not something that feels cheap/flimsy.

[graceful marten]

No, its 2nd hand

What makes it more sketchy is that he cannot use the apps safe selling system aswell 😛 Such bullshittery

[fringe vigil]

what type cable is it type 4 or 5

[edgy laurel]

PSU side. RM850x is Type 4

very few PSU's are Type5

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-supply-units/what-is-the-difference-between-corsair-type-4-and-type-5-cables/

[fringe vigil]

type 4 it is

do thye not sell these corsair cables from another site like amazon4