tech-chat-2

[graceful marten]

idk really

[indigo walrus]

If you do a mix of gaming and productivity on your computer... once you go 1440p you'll never go back.

[pure garnet]

and then once you go 4k you dont want 1440 again

[graceful marten]

is the 1440p quality over 1080p for the same price but you get like 100hz less, like 1ms on the 1440p instead of 0.3ms of the 1080p

they are basically the same price

[indigo walrus]

* unless you use apps whose developers don't understand DPI scaling.

[oak vector]

lmao yeah

[pure garnet]

i mean yeah if you play 1998 games use the 1998 screen res but

for basically anything modern that's not an issue

you could also just swap to a lower res for that

[warped mountain]

Okay, now the parts list is updated

[oak vector]

Oh what’s that, 4K?
Yeah um that button is smaller than what the human eye can see now

[pastel cape]

i don't get taht joke

i mean once i switched to 1440p yt was small

[graceful marten]

I basically only play single player games like rdr2 and gta story and Assassin's creed. So should I go with thd 1440p just to get better res in the games?

Because I dont... really need 280hz 1080p for games like that 😃

[pastel cape]

yea i just switched back to 100% on yt and it looks so small damn

[warped mountain]

That cooler rated for 95 can handle 140+ ... Right?? I mean I know I cooled all core overclock 1950 x on a d15.

But that was a flagship cooler

[oak vector]

Some apps just scale so badly they become unusable at a normal distance without scaling it up

[topaz veldt]

A cooler rated for 95W can handle 140W+? Is that the question?

[pure garnet]

nothing you do on a nas is going to max that cpu out, you can also just powercap it

[pastel cape]

oh

[topaz veldt]

unfortunately not true

if running ZFS it'll hit 100% CPU during scrubs

[pastel cape]

i could prob use a 4k mointor but 4k mointor is just unreasonable tbh

because i have to sit so close to my mointor because my desk is so small

[warped mountain]

Yeah I was pushing 400w through a D15 ... and I know damn well she wasn't rated for that, but worked fine.

[warped mountain]

So Ethan explained to me that he chose the K because it's going to be better binned and therefore should be more memory stable

[topaz veldt]

K is not better binned its just unlocked

[warped mountain]

In theory that means that I could pull the voltage down for any given clock.

[topaz veldt]

and memory OC ability does not matter in a NAS what so ever

[pure garnet]

you would literally benefit from the ppi more then

larger viewing distances mask lower ppi

[turbid locust]

afaik Intel doesn’t even bin IMCs

[topaz veldt]

I know this is rhetorical but have you looked into how ARL works at all?

[warped mountain]

Yeah that was my understanding too. Idk why he chose it then

[topaz veldt]

not at all

So anyway... my 265K mITX build is power limited to like 105W

otherwise it overheats when Plex analyzes for intros/credits

[pure garnet]

the 245k is the runt of the arrowlake design

[topaz veldt]

They're all going to need to be power limited on a low profile cooler

[warped mountain]

What does ARL stand for? I'm not familiar with that acronym

[topaz veldt]

I have tried like 3 - 4 different low profile coolers and they all hit over 100C without power limiting

[edgy laurel]

arrow lake

[pure garnet]

yeah i meant in reply to ethans thing

[pastel cape]

ah

doesn't that mean smaller mointor tho

[young void]

Luckily intel handles being power limited fantastically with less loss then one myte expect

[pure garnet]

no just higher res

[warped mountain]

Oh NOPE... I just typed up a whole thing and then remembered it's lunar Lake not arrow Lake 💀

[edgy laurel]

this was hilarious

[merry stirrup]

this sounds like skill issue i wont lie

[pastel cape]

ah

[oak vector]

just shunt mod imc ngl

[pastel cape]

i want a oled 1440p mointor

[turbid locust]

This is one of the comments sent here of all time

[pastel cape]

hm

[merry stirrup]

mmmmm ddr5 9000

[brisk jolt]

truly a statement of all time

[brittle trellis]

I didn't say anything about that at all, I just chose it over the KF because you'll need the Igpu

[topaz veldt]

oy vey

[brittle trellis]

I didn't put much thought into the cooler beyond it definitely fitting in the case

[merry stirrup]

he got kinda close to what i told him

[brittle trellis]

A different one is probably needed

[merry stirrup]

i told him that K skus have unlocked SA voltage which allows higher memory speeds

[topaz veldt]

yeah most don't - its a trial and error thing. I have the ID Cooling 67mm jawn and yeah even with a noctua fan on it, I have to set short and long power to 105W

[warped mountain]

Ahh, maybe it was the guy that said that he likes to go see his nass that recommended the K for the bin? Idk it's hard to keep track of everyone

[merry stirrup]

CML server B)

[pastel cape]

i play older games sometimes in the ui gets so zoomed out so its better to play at like 1152x864 lol

[brittle trellis]

@warped mountain what's the current list looking like?

[warped mountain]

So "glued together" design, I read Intel's brief, obviously they're not going to brag about what's bad

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-mood-me-face-gif-7842240

You mentioned undervolting it

I am not sure you are familiar enough with the concept especially on ARL, but further, there's not a ton to be had on this platform

[warped mountain]

Well if you have a superior Bin chip it can run the same ghz at a lower voltage yes.

[topaz veldt]

You are more than likely going to have to power limit the CPU if it does any all-core work for any appreciable amount of time

[warped mountain]

I just ment in general, but if they're not bines then it's irrelevant

[oak vector]

Thank you
I think it’s a genius idea ngl

[topaz veldt]

Forget "superior chips"

ARL undervolt/OC is like.... 1-2% gains and savings

[brittle trellis]

I didn't look at the case too hard, would a 240mm AIO fit?

[warped mountain]

You mean don't just pull an AMD and Target 100c sustained? 😜 I tease I tease. Yeah kind of figured that when I saw "125" TDP

[topaz veldt]

The CPUs do not have hyper threading and so the P core are already on a performance deficit

TDP is irrelevant

[warped mountain]

#tech-chat-2 message

[topaz veldt]

my 265K will gladly do 175-200W

a far way from the "125W TDP"

[warped mountain]

Okay

[topaz veldt]

It will, in fact, hit 250W with the right power profile in BIOS

[warped mountain]

Your case wouldn't work iirc

[brittle trellis]

What price to performance nutter has been touching this

[warped mountain]

So in theory if it says 125 TDP that means you need a cooler rated for 125 TDP obviously everybody calculates TDP differently so it doesn't actually matter it's just a guidance point.

[topaz veldt]

No, not in therory, at all, ever. This has never been accurate.

[warped mountain]

That's what I just said.

GN did a whole deep dive of educational content on it.

[brittle trellis]

You can't be using an ITX board for this.... It allows absolutely zero future expansion and is a waste of money

I'd ditch the case entirely and figure out how to mount it all in one of the spaces you have

[warped mountain]

There was some .... Modifications necessary. Snail pointed out we had nowhere near enough memory for the array size.
I had to change the motherboard to fit inside the case 🫤 not particularly thrilled about that if you look at them other board you'll see why... Nevertheless it's what's necessary.

[edgy laurel]

Noctua has a good article on this topic for those interested. https://www.noctua.at/en/expertise/guides/noctua-standardised-performance-rating

[brittle trellis]

Ditch the case idea then, it's going to be mounted in a hole anyway

[warped mountain]

Yeah about that .... I spent 5 hours this morning trying to find a case that would fit in my biggest spot.
#tech-chat-2 message

[brittle trellis]

Figure out how to mount the drives safely by themselves

[edgy laurel]

The problems with TDP (Thermal Design Power) ratings

[warped mountain]

Especially if you're telling me I cannot hard mount it

[brittle trellis]

Exactly, so ditch the case

Figure out how to mount the drives

Screw the rest to some plywood

[topaz veldt]

Oh you know what's fun

hang on let me see something before I make this statement

[warped mountain]

#tech-chat-2 message
We can use spot 2 but that's going to require me to Mount the case screwed down to a place of plywood and you said don't do that, I presume due to the risk of high frequency vibration.

[topaz veldt]

lol yeah so.....

[pastel cape]

what happens when i push flash bios button when computer is on

[pure garnet]

it blows up and destroys itself

[warped mountain]

Disregard, no we cannot use that space because the case would have to fit through a one foot wide opening (see that wooden strengthening beam) and so far we've cant find a case that can do that.

[young void]

[pastel cape]

great sarcasm

[topaz veldt]

Is this TrueNAS deployment going to run plex

[young void]

Probs just fails and cancels still not recommended see manual for more info

[warped mountain]

It can I was just going to use hexos and just use the file system to have everything sorted. Or can you not do a file search/ browse like windows?

[pastel cape]

idk i never realise i had one until i looked up my mobo

and idk how i didn't see it

[topaz veldt]

ARL igpu isn't supported in current mainstream linux distro kernels

[young void]

Happens little things

[pastel cape]

ig i never needed it so

[warped mountain]

Does it not just run Arc drivers

[topaz veldt]

no

[warped mountain]

🤬

[topaz veldt]

It runs on kernel modules

[pastel cape]

i updated my bios when i first got it but about it

[young void]

Ooofs, dang

[warped mountain]

So I need to change the CPU/motherboard

[topaz veldt]

it requires like... 6.16

No what you need to do is research lol

[pastel cape]

and i only looked up my mobo for the specs of it

[pure garnet]

supposedly 6.9 and newer works

[warped mountain]

I did, I figured the stronger internal GPU would stop me from having to use an dGPU and since we ran into the ITX issue that was actually rather important.

[pastel cape]

until now i saw the back of it online and i was looking if my mobo had one

[topaz veldt]

Also if your board has a realtek 8216 NIC it does not work without blacklisting existing drivers and building kernel mods

[warped mountain]

Maybe I should just run windows server?

[pastel cape]

might update bios but idk if i need to tbh

[brittle trellis]

DITCH THE CASE

[topaz veldt]

Yeah here's the thing - you didn't find out if it works with the OS.... which is only something I have mentioned like 20 times

[warped mountain]

I explicitly chose it because it has 5 gig Intel

[warped mountain]

I don't recall you ever mentioning that.

Which was my mistake obviously

[topaz veldt]

Are you kidding me

[warped mountain]

You told me to check and see if the OS worked with arrow Lake?

[brittle trellis]

It's not worth using a case if you have to kneecap the capabilities of the system

Figure out a way to mount 6 drives safely

[topaz veldt]

Bud, I build 1,000 node solutions. I consider everything. I have told you, time and again, to consider all facets. I even used the word facets.

You have done almost zero compatibility research

All you have done is replied with $User said to get X

"Oh well $USER_X said get it, why is $USER_Y contradicting that?"

[warped mountain]

Yeah I read that. I didn't understand that you were saying to check arrow Lake versus the OS ..... I thought you were simply saying that it's "out of my league and I don't possess enough knowledge or brain capacity" in order to set up a flash parody system and since it sounds like you work on these I took you at your word...

[topaz veldt]

Fuck USER_X and Y, why are you not researching if your shit even runs on what you intend to use it on

[warped mountain]

I never considered that it wouldn't.

[topaz veldt]

Always assume brand ndew bleeding edge shit won't work

and then find out if it will

Here's another gem -

[warped mountain]

So I owe you a massive thanks! You just save me building the entire system which is going to be frustrating in an ITX only to find out I can't get it to do what I needed to do

Thank you all knowing one 🙏

[warped mountain]

It's been out a year...

[topaz veldt]

You don't seem to know how linux works

Linux supports it - how much do you know about building kernels from source?

Because the TrueNAS distributions are not on latest kernels

[warped mountain]

🤬 it ... Anyone know of any ITX x399 boards? Imma go pull out the 1950X

[edgy laurel]

https://youtu.be/xwJhhPCweWk?si=jGJnwBVlpM_vjiHc

[topaz veldt]

Rewind all the way back to when I said just buy a fuckin Synology

[pure garnet]

what is truenas based on, debian?

[warped mountain]

And somebody pointed out that the CPUs will not be able to keep up with my use case.

[topaz veldt]

ehhhhhh

[topaz veldt]

I have 100TB behind a Synology

[pure garnet]

either way it doesn't matter but just for reference the original arc cards i think just recently are fully supported on debian

[warped mountain]

Is it able to transcode video on the fly?

[topaz veldt]

No because NAS are not transcoders

[pure garnet]

so consider that for support times

[warped mountain]

Yeah... So maybe I should just do what I originally was going to do and do it the wrong way?

[topaz veldt]

Its supported in Linux Kernel 6.13, but that wans't mainstream in any distro like 3 months ago when I played with it

[warped mountain]

Windows 11, I guess hardware raid 6 via LSI and just have it as a share network drive?

[topaz veldt]

Hardware RAID will fail rebuilding with 22TB+ drives

[warped mountain]

Doesn't Windows off for a weird software raid thing I remember combining disks back in the day

[topaz veldt]

Storage Spaces, and its ass

The reason ZFS is used is because of how it "re-silvers"

[brittle trellis]

Well a simple fix here then.... Go down to alder or raptor lake

[warped mountain]

The issue is going to be finding an ITX board that has eight sada ports on it and whose chipset natively supports raid 6.. I can do 10 butt yeah. I know most of them will do raid 5. But if I remember correctly from a year and a half ago it was stated that raid 5 is just going to give you false promises

[topaz veldt]

I think you failed to read above

"RAID" will have a high failure rate DURING a rebuild on disks > 20TB

[warped mountain]

Right via the LSI card

[topaz veldt]

No, via "RAID"

ZFS is a filesystem not a "RAID"

google ZFS rebuild vs RAID rebuild

[warped mountain]

Ohhh so you're saying you've been using like on board the motherboard raid is not sufficient?

[brittle trellis]

Ditch. The. Fucking. Case.
Get the Matx board from my original list, 6 drives (no fucking LSI needed) and figure out how to mount it all in one of your spaces

[topaz veldt]

This is what I have been saying yes "RAID" is dead

[indigo walrus]

* Depends on the NAS, but in general, this is true or most pre-built NAS devices. I do have an older DS918+ with a Celeron J3455 CPU that includes Quick Sync video transcoding but... it's pretty anemic. Handles a couple 1080p transcodes fine, but only 1x 4K transcode, and that HEAVILY depends on the codecs being used.

[edgy laurel]

i feel like this guy has infiltrated LTTCord for the sole reason of confusing and frustrating TC2 for over a week

[warped mountain]

Like when you go into not the BIOS but you can do the RAID before the BIOS and everything like that (I'm going off of memory from my EVGA x58 here)

[young void]

XD

[topaz veldt]

Dude prob doesn't even need transcoding and can just use direct play or stream or whatever it is where the end point transcodes

[brittle trellis]

Actually not the Matx board from the original list, go down to raptor lake so it actually works

[warped mountain]

Ahhhh I misunderstood I thought you meant like active raid cards.

[pure garnet]

go down to alder, cheaper, same igp

[topaz veldt]

No - it's why I have emphasized that its important when you "DIY" to actually understand the technology and what you're trying to do

[warped mountain]

I think my s25 ultra can play all of my media formats... Pretty sure

[brittle trellis]

Less ecores

[pure garnet]

oh no

not the old slow atom cores

[indigo walrus]

Sure, there's Windows Storage Spaces... if you like losing your data. As others have noted, ZFS is better.

[topaz veldt]

Yeah we went down this route also - how someone with zilch experience on a DIY solution trying to build a 64TB+ usable "NAS" is going to learn painfully if they don't research

[brittle trellis]

Don't be an idiot

[edgy laurel]

neat https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MfYoJkiwSqCXg8cm5-Ac4oOLPRtCkgUxU0jdj3tmMPc/edit?gid=1274624273#gid=1274624273

[pure garnet]

believe me im far off from dropping down

[warped mountain]

This NAS will not survive without a case giving overall shared rigidity. I won't be able to mount the hard drives in a secure enough way (without literally bolting them together) to where they won't be thrown around if I have to slam on the brakes on the freeway or when driving down dirt trails.
I did originally think no case. But then I thought about it and I was like yeah you're talking about 1.5 to 2 g's at times it's not going to stay in place 💀💀

[young void]

They did the work so you dont have toooo

Very cool

https://tenor.com/view/ddjoedirt-ddjoedirtrighon-ddright-on-gif-2436723797052097026

[brittle trellis]

The fuck are you on about? There are plenty of isolated drive cages that you could use. It'd be absolutely no different than in a case, other than the fact it'll actually fit without being handicapped

[topaz veldt]

Once you read thru it and then factor in A) the cost of the things that can do hardware decode and B) if they are vendor locked on disks... its prob cheaper/easier to build a Plex server separate of a NAS, at least it was for so long as I have read that doc

[brittle trellis]

You have no pcie cards to secure, the only concern is the drives and it'll be easy when you actually bother to think about it properly

[warped mountain]

Okay, so your suggestion is to screw everything down here on that plywood? Can't wood be conductive or not at the voltage and amperages we're going to be using? The platform is 9.5 inches wide.

[topaz veldt]

I dunno how else to tell dude when you're trying to build a NAS solution there's pretty much every imaginable compatibility consideration to be made

[topaz veldt]

You may have missed the part where all of this nonsense is going into an RV

[pure garnet]

i think this guy may be in too far

[edgy laurel]

picked one randomly that can do everything on the list, $720 before drives

[topaz veldt]

which model

[edgy laurel]

https://www.newegg.com/p/14P-006A-00085

only 4 bays

[topaz veldt]

eaaaah

[edgy laurel]

but dual 10Gb

[pure garnet]

how many bays to we need for this again

[topaz veldt]

64TB+

usable

[edgy laurel]

no idea, i'm not making any points just poking around at whats available

[pure garnet]

is this not just define 7 xl and learn hypervisors time

one for drives and one for jellyfin

[random flame]

. . . .
How the hell did I miss all this for hearing to SMP owners argue over paying a 15 year old and then about taking a percentage out of each other's earnings from their respective servers?

[topaz veldt]

If only this was that straight forward...

[pure garnet]

oh wait can't you run docker containers under truenas

so you could just have jellyfin anyway

[turbid locust]

yeah

[topaz veldt]

[X] mITX
[X] Wants 4 GB/s data transfer speeds (big GB/s)
[X] Going in an RV
[X] No network on said RV

[topaz veldt]

yes but that doesn't solve some other issues

[brittle trellis]

I didn't miss that at all, which is why I'm saying what I'm saying

[random flame]

Is the next step adding said missing network somehow?

[topaz veldt]

namely the Z890 realtek NICs don't work until later kernels and or kernel mods, igpu support isn't until like kernel 6.13

[topaz veldt]

No idea I have been ignoring that part - they said wifi is fine..

[brittle trellis]

You really don't think much do you?

[topaz veldt]

We are on like day 3 of wtfery

[random flame]

I mean... I guess that counts then? Lol.

[brittle trellis]

You don't just screw a board down to a piece of wood, you mount it on standoffs, or if you are lazy, you get a cheap case and cut the board tray out of it

[topaz veldt]

Put it this way - I flew from PA to FL, drove 4 hours, took my boat 400 miles round trip, put my boat back in storage, and flew back to PA from Miami, and we're still talking about this

[warped mountain]

No it's day 2, it was supposed to all be ordered 10 hours ago.

[warped mountain]

Oh ... I was totally going to just screw it down

[frank zealot]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Jonsbo-s-new-N6-NAS-chassis-combines-high-drive-capacity-with-M-ATX-flexibility.1160348.0.html

New thing, might just fit

[random flame]

Damn... I somehow failed to notice this all was happening.

[topaz veldt]

it was 11/7 that you began this next chapter of meandering

[topaz veldt]

lol its trailing behind like 9 days of laptop scrutiny

[frank zealot]

It's been a hell of a ride

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel so back to that boat + tide situation - its getting better a little but I think I fucked up my rotator cuff

[warped mountain]

So I should buy this is what you are saying and it will be better then what we are trying to build? https://www.amazon.com/Synology-8-Bay-DiskStation-DS1823xs-Diskless/dp/B0BSTNV5TG
And then later when I get starlink I can stream my media anywhere in the world? We already know the games can't go on there. But I presume it can store things other than just media? Like files too right? Remember I want to move away from paying for cloud storage eventually.

[topaz veldt]

that has a AMD Ryzen V1780B

There is no hardware transcoding ability

Again, I stand by - NAS are NOT Plex boxes

[warped mountain]

It does not, my available space is 370 mm (W) × 315 mm (D) × 450 mm (H):

[topaz veldt]

Plex box

[warped mountain]

Yeah I mentioned intentions, we just started actions last night

[topaz veldt]

Not Plex box

[devout ridge]

this bad boy with a 3060 and a couple 4tb m.2 and you’re set for plex

[topaz veldt]

Its got a 265K - I use igpu with quicksync

[warped mountain]

Now you're just being obtuse intentionally with the sole intention of defame ... it was not 9 days...

[lethal topaz]

whats the m.2s for

[devout ridge]

That works too, running 2.5in ssds in the gpu space?

[devout ridge]

storage…?

[topaz veldt]

No need - I mount storage remote

[devout ridge]

Ah that makes sense

[young void]

Things that need the lil extra umph

[lethal topaz]

the only m.2s in my setup is one dedicated to truenas os, and another dedicated to docker app files

[topaz veldt]

I think I have a 1TB 990 Pro in it for OS, but otherwise its 2.5 Gbps wired to like 100TB+ of Plex storage

I was thinking of putting a 5070 Ti or 5080 in it just for luls

[random flame]

I dunno, it's still funny to me out of context.

[devout ridge]

so the exact size of the NAS you linked, no more no less?

[lethal topaz]

thats pretty fire, how much redundancy do you have?

[devout ridge]

i would say read the context, but it’s several days long now

[warped mountain]

Okay, what do I need to do the things that I want to do cuz clearly I'm not on the same page as everyone else.

-I want to stream (locally for now) an original quality 100Mb/s HDR/DV 10-bit, 7.1 sound. That way I can enjoy The Full experience.
-I need it to protect my data with redundancy.
-eventually it will be hooked up to starlink (that way I have access to it remotely) but in the meantime I'll need the ability to pull about 300 GB of data at a time for when I'm not physically on site.
I don't think there is anything else TBH, we will be limited by network throughput it sounds like.

[topaz veldt]

Its 8 x 18TB Exos in.... 2 disk parity

[random flame]

[devout ridge]

100Mb/s is not as much as you think it is

[topaz veldt]

Buy a NAS, buy a Dell SFF with intel CPU

Build nothing

[devout ridge]

old office PCs ftw

[lethal topaz]

i would kill for some sffs

[brittle trellis]

Please get your brain checked

[warped mountain]

Yes, this was my measurements. We might be able to get a 5cm here there but not really.

[devout ridge]

also how much bloody storage do you need?

[lethal topaz]

10 billion petabytes

[warped mountain]

I'm aware, I'm just stating what my requirements are.

[devout ridge]

you can get 14tb drives for around 200USD

[warped mountain]

Can you explain that setup? Like how would it work.

[devout ridge]

step one, buy Dell SFF
step two, install drives
step three, install truenas
step four, install and setup plex
step five, done

[frank zealot]

The n6 should fit in that

[warped mountain]

We currently have 64 TB not backed up. Now was mentioning just to hold our current data we need to make sure we don't go over 80%. So we would need at least 80 TB. I add 8 to 16 TB per year.

[devout ridge]

small business or personal use

[warped mountain]

No no he said NOT to do all that, that it won't work because compatibility.

[devout ridge]

who the hell is “he”

[warped mountain]

Snail he says he does this for a living.

[devout ridge]

i majorly dislike vague antecedents, i mean it kind of depends

is the nas for yourself, or a business

[brittle trellis]

A dell SFF isn't going to fit 6 28tb drives

[frank zealot]

You can't put 8+ drives in an oem box

[devout ridge]

You can stick em in a 3d printed enclosure ontop of it

HBA and some longish cables and you’re set

[frank zealot]

Speaking of:

3d print an itx nas case. Several exist

[devout ridge]

you can also transplant the guts into a cheap 4u case off amazon, like 100usd

that’s what i did for a while

[frank zealot]

Too big

[topaz veldt]

Guys do I do this for a living?

[frank zealot]

You work?

[topaz veldt]

Barely!

[devout ridge]

definitely just an expensive hobby afaik

[topaz veldt]

You're not wrong

[warped mountain]

It's the depth that will be an issue. Actually you're right it should I'll just have to turn it 90° 🤘 hell ya we got our case. And it supports M-ATX as requested

[lethal topaz]

i would ask but i dont want to set the convo back 3 days

[warped mountain]

It's for me personally, the last time I did this was back on x58. And I just ran Windows 7 and set it up as a map network drive.

[frank zealot]

https://www.printables.com/model/714333-modular-4-12-bay-nas-itx-case-modcase-mass

[warped mountain]

The problem is is I only have limited places where I can actually put it. So like under the closet the platform's 9.5 wide but whatever goes in there has to be 12 in or narrower in one dimension.
In the front closet which is where I prefer it to be. The sizes I gave is what's required to get it into it particularly the width of the door

We did jokingly say we could put it right above the inverter but it would have to be 26 wide 12 deep and under 17 tall and we couldn't find anything that would do that

[topaz veldt]

I need to figure out how to make this hobby a career

[pure garnet]

now put it in a camper

[warped mountain]

You still haven't explained like how I would interact with this setup.

[topaz veldt]

If you need that explained you're not going to do well bud

[young void]

Snails a silly goose

[pure garnet]

you would interact with it like literally any other nas

[frank zealot]

Same as any nas

[warped mountain]

So N6 case, last gen board, and CPU ... Order wait 2 days for arrival build this weekend!

[topaz veldt]

Like if I have to explain why you'd use a NAS with a separate Intel-based CPU SFF PC... what are we even doing here

[warped mountain]

What's the point of this sff??

[pure garnet]

the transcoding...

[frank zealot]

Going in lots of circles

[topaz veldt]

I am almost convinced its a poorly trained LLM

[warped mountain]

Oh, why can't you just do that in the NAS?

[topaz veldt]

holy shit dude

[pure garnet]

NAS -> sff pc (jellyfin, transcodes, et. al ) -> client devices

[warped mountain]

Ok

[lethal topaz]

host a fuck load of mc servers

[warped mountain]

Fine

[low sorrel]

were the training data

[frank zealot]

No llm is this bad

[low sorrel]

homebrew llm trust

[lethal topaz]

senior design project for a cs major

[low sorrel]

^

[pure garnet]

senior is putting this too highly

[low sorrel]

we're in a youtube video

[turbid locust]

want

[pure garnet]

this is a llm written llm

[frank zealot]

Hs sophomore

[low sorrel]

"can i trick the ltt discord server with my homemade llm"

[pure garnet]

mac i will be the 4th mpower owner soon

[turbid locust]

unless

[lethal topaz]

yall must not have seen how sad some senior design projects are

[pure garnet]

nah i already gave the flops my address

[frank zealot]

Given how dumb actual humans are here, probably

[pure garnet]

the 12900ks will surely do 7200 on it

[warped mountain]

So this and the $2,000 empty Synology unit, and it will do everything I need?

Plus the HDD's obviously

[turbid locust]

unless you want my AYW OC and 14900k

[pure garnet]

im not paying for the mpower but i may be tempted another time

[low sorrel]

oh cool https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/1outblw/a_severe_g4_geomagnetic_storm_is_underway_right/

[pure garnet]

i do want a 14900k but i've spent a lot lately

[turbid locust]

oh lmao

[pure garnet]

im giving him a 12700k+2070s for it

[turbid locust]

swag

[pure garnet]

then when i get bored of tuning it i'll probably use the mpower in my new nas (i will not have a 9 day saga)

and retire the 7500t i use now

[turbid locust]

Z790 Mpower NAS is based

It’s like using a Ferrari as a golf cart

[pure garnet]

12900ks nas too

[turbid locust]

my Nas is a 7700x so

[pure garnet]

this my current setup (i know it's unreliable so nothing important is on it)

[warped mountain]

Actually this is a WAYY better deal then the minisforum!

[lethal topaz]

yall giving your nas some very nice specs

[pure garnet]

dude just buy a thinkcenter tiny off ebay for like 50 bucks

anything skylake and newer can transcode 4k fine

[brisk jolt]

BMW M power?

[warped mountain]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/146584573166?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-166974-028196-7&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=146584573166&targetid=2274564709393&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9030038&poi=&campaignid=22364224318&mkgroupid=182402920691&rlsatarget=pla-2274564709393&abcId=10241509&merchantid=5563309988&geoid=9030038&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22364224318&gclid=CjwKCAiA2svIBhB-EiwARWDPjiN0VWKMQnaouzGpI3dAiCTHkNug_wygnIa6gwVy8cbaN-5bfRj-RxoCKfAQAvD_BwE

Lenovo ThinkCentre M600 Tiny Desktop PC – Intel, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD, Windows 10

[pure garnet]

that's haswell i'd do a bit newer

https://www.ebay.com/itm/267446026209 like this is plenty for your needs

6 threads

[lethal topaz]

holy shit my encoding may take less than 10 hours

[indigo walrus]

That, or a Dell Micro Form Factor PC. (The only reason I like the Dell's better is because their barrel jack style power adapter is much more readily available should I need to replace it. Otherwise, Lenovo's Tiny is just fine too.)

[pure garnet]

like if it's just jellyfin this is what your pc is gonna be doing for 90% of it's power on time

[pure garnet]

that's fair lemme look at optiplex micros

https://www.ebay.com/itm/127485349950 160 for better cpu and more ram

[brisk jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381193840159358976/1429172046046433390/IMG_7512.gif

[pure garnet]

and then you can host jellyfin on windows/linux distro of choice

i'd assume you'd like windows more

[warped mountain]

Okay so that and the $5,500 for the Synology and used drives. And we should be golden, it will do everything that I need?
Well we still need to do the wifi lol. I don't have a device with an ethernet port.
The good news is that's really easy, is a very small space so all we need is a fast one we don't need one that has particularly strong signal.

[pure garnet]

well you wire the nas to the sff box over ethernet

and the jellyfin server if you buy the optiplex i linked has wifi in it

[indigo walrus]

Yas, I have 3x of these with the same processor just waiting to be repurposed.

[warped mountain]

Yeah, ohhh those have built in wifi? Hell yeah. Is it relatively strong? It's going to have to get through a fridge 😅.. and it's at the very back of the unit.

[pure garnet]

it's an ac 8260 i think

so about the same as any laptop of the same age

[indigo walrus]

They have a built-in WiFi receiver ... technically I think Windows still lets you broadcast WiFi from a computer, but that's meant as a way to share a wired ethernet connection to other devices. What's your plan for the Local network that devices like phones and tablets will connect to?

[pure garnet]

im pretty sure the plan is just jellyfin over wifi

which that thing can do fine with no external configuration

[warped mountain]

Perfect "The Intel AC 8260 Wi-Fi card has a maximum speed of 867 Mbps on the 5 GHz band and 300 Mbps on the 2.4 GHz band, for a combined theoretical maximum of up to 1200 Mbps."
So it should have no issues watching media, while also moving files around. 🤘

[warped mountain]

I guess to the SFF it sounds like. I'll have to see if Samsung still has the setting where you can connect to Wi-Fi without internet access and it will still use the 5G.

[pure garnet]

do you own a router

[warped mountain]

No

[pure garnet]

even with no actual internet it'll still broadcast and do ip assignment for lan

i would pick one of those up then as well

then when you want starlink you just hook it up to that

[warped mountain]

Oh, yeah that's what I was talking about at the end of this #tech-chat-2 message

Wait I need dual ports on the sff huh? One in to connect to the nas, one out to connect to the router out

[pure garnet]

no

i mispoke earlier, nas will connect to router

and then the sff will also connect to the router ideally

[warped mountain]

Okay, ya that was my understanding

[pure garnet]

then you'll have a dead wifi up but local stuff like jellyfin will work

[indigo walrus]

I would strongly recommend looking into an actual local network. Doesn't need to be crazy, but having a dedicated router that supports the ability to receive a 5G signal using a SIM card would be much easier to manage / setup than playing with Windows networking.
https://engineerswhovanlife.com/van-life-internet/

[pure garnet]

also you might be able to get like tmobile 5g internet for cheap

and use that on the go

[warped mountain]

There's going to be way too powerful for my tiny space. But it's wifi 7 so that's good. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09HJJN7MS?linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&tag=cnet-buy-button-20&ascsubtag=70a8f0be6e61482980f6eaa15ce1c93b

[pure garnet]

when do you pickup apex

[indigo walrus]

Yup, that's an option too, though I've found that lots of Cellular Modems are quite... lackluster when it comes to features. (Some can't even do local Static IPs.) Even if you don't currently plan to connect such a setup to cellular, you can just leave those parts out of your setup and stick to building a robust local network.

[turbid locust]

Tomorrow

[pure garnet]

i wouldn't bother with a mesh setup for a smaller camper

1 ap will handle everything fine

[warped mountain]

No they triangulate it so if you start moving they disable it, and where the campers currently parked Is on The Fringe of all the towers they won't let me subscribe here otherwise I would already have it cuz something would be better than nothing.

[turbid locust]

Apex for <$400 is quite humorous ngl

I’m getting an Apex for like barely more than you guys paid for OCF

[pure garnet]

im jelly bro i wouldn't have the minion motherboard if it was in stock at the time

but i mean it works fine for what i do

[turbid locust]

OCF horizontal dimms is

but yeah

[pure garnet]

no that's the tachyon

[turbid locust]

oh

[pure garnet]

ocf has normal dimm placement

[warped mountain]

T-Mobile would probably prefer that 😅 I use 400- 500GB a month

[turbid locust]

there’s definitely a generation of OCF with horizontal dimms

[topaz veldt]

you thinkin evga z790?

[turbid locust]

maybe

either way horizontal 1DPC ATX boards are so hot

[topaz veldt]

I don't like them

[warped mountain]

Yeah I investigated it my buddy had Verizon and although it was very.... Temperamental (okay only works well in the middle of the night because it has final priority on towers..)

But your address has to be approved and where the campers currently located is not allowed and if you try to use it on the go, like starlink, it just won't work and you'll get your account disabled for TOS.

[pure garnet]

im gonna try and get stuff for a ram fan moun tomorrow

so i can get back to tuning my cpu

[warped mountain]

Oh it's just capable of mesh, it's able to work standalone, it was just the best rated Wi-Fi 7 on the list I saw.

[pure garnet]

should be fine then

[turbid locust]

I wonder if 5nails ram fan bracket will work on this apex

[topaz veldt]

It uses ATX hole spacing

[pure garnet]

im ngl im gonna go to home depot and grab some L brackets

and hang it from my aio fan

[turbid locust]

Assuming it clears my AIO that’d be really swag

[pure garnet]

i couldn't find any brackets online like snail has

[indigo walrus]

Sounds like you need to find an alternate provider... 😉 One designed for your use-case. I have zero experience with these types of providers, but basically, you want a provider that offers cellular specifically for "van life" or RVs.
https://mobilemusthave.com/pages/mmh-data-plans
https://nomadinternet.com/

[turbid locust]

Isn’t the 265K super air cooler friendly anyway

[pure garnet]

thingaverse just had stupid fan covers

yeah i ran mine on a d15s with 0 issues

i just needed an aio for this fishbowl

[turbid locust]

I ordered a Peerless Assassin Mini for some reason the other day

[pure garnet]

i have one of those in my closet

only thermalright cooler i've liked tbh

wait isn't this literally what i need?

120mm fan on one side and screws into the top of my aio fan

[turbid locust]

Could work

[pure garnet]

i'll add it to the cart but i'll still look in person

what z890 do you have to resell with the bundle

[turbid locust]

I would like to design my own brackets but I need to force myself to learn CAD

[turbid locust]

AYW

[pure garnet]

i do not own a 3d printer anymore

i threw away my elegoo? or whatever because it was all sticky and i never used it

was a hand me down

[warped mountain]

All right snail since you were the only one that identified the compatibility issue after nearly 12 hours of conversing with both tech chats.

You think this will do everything I need and keep up with my needs? https://www.amazon.com/Synology-8-Bay-DiskStation-DS1823xs-Diskless/dp/B0BSTNV5TG
Paired with this.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/127485349950

That is your ideal setup for the requirements.

[turbid locust]

my Neptune 4 Pro was an absolute PITA but I got it printing consistently now

Involved me converting it to open source lmao

[pure garnet]

it was literally soaked in resin and all of mine spoiled

so i just had 0 interest in actually using it

[turbid locust]

Feel like an A1 Mini would be perfect for folks like us

[pure garnet]

when i move out i'll probably pick up an extrusion one

[brittle trellis]

The comparability issue of the 245k being too new for truenas? How'd that evolve into giving Synology money

[pure garnet]

since i'll have an apartment and not a 10x10 room for my stuff

[turbid locust]

A1 Mini is 180x180x180mm build volume

More than enough for pc related stuff

[pure garnet]

i checked if i could return the ocf but im out of the return window

otherwise i would've had a friend pickup an apex for me and ship it here

the ocf is fine but having a bios written by adults would be a major up

[turbid locust]

Yeah Floppa was complaining about the bios to me in DMs yesterday

[topaz veldt]

lol i warned you dogs

[pure garnet]

i mean my main issue is resolvable with a 12 dollar splitter but

next time i'll go asus and be comfy with it

[warped mountain]

Yeah the 5G home internets go final on priority on cell towers by design. What that means is you can have at night 300 Meg service but then in the middle of the day you may only have 4 or 6 service. Which can be a little inconvenient having to wait until 11:30pm to get real internet speeds.

That's why I was just thinking starlink mini ($299) at $165/month. I wonder how gaming is? 35 upload will be fine?

[pure garnet]

ordered the fan bracket

so i can go back to real adult memory tuning on friday

and not 1.35v baby land

[topaz veldt]

My company issues us Verizon 5G hotspot/modems and its not locked to a geographical location

[warped mountain]

@topaz veldt said it was the best for my needs. Always view them as a piece of shit closed ecosystem but apparently he likes them.

[pure garnet]

games don't really use a ton of upload bandwidth

[warped mountain]

They were talking about the 5G home internet boxes. Not the hotspot modem ones

[warped mountain]

Yeah, but the streaming media will.

[indigo walrus]

Tada. Nobody's setup is perfect, and their setups may not be right for you, but hopefully this gives you some ideas.
https://www.youtube.com/@TrentTheTraveler/search?query=starlink
https://www.youtube.com/@Ryantwomeyy/search?query=gaming

[turbid locust]

Wait does the apex come with a goofy ass ram fan? Lol

[pure garnet]

yeah like the master

oh crap i need another a12

[topaz veldt]

it does but it did almost nothing for me

[pure garnet]

eh i'll just sack the bottom intake actually

[turbid locust]

Ah

[pure garnet]

it doesn't do much

not buying another $40 fan

[turbid locust]

I can’t remember what I’m using as a ram fan rn

I think it’s a Pure Wings 3

[indigo walrus]

Not if you're streaming locally... you're not planning to attempt using mobile internet to stream video outside of the local network connection, are you? That's usually a HUGE ToS violation that you'll get your account shutdown for...

[topaz veldt]

I have an extra nf-a12x25 G2

[pure garnet]

i use a p12 pro in the other pc but it's annoying

[brisk jolt]

arctic pros goes hard

[topaz veldt]

I am done with P12s

[pure garnet]

yeah on my ears

[brisk jolt]

goddamnit

[warped mountain]

Because if my media file is 100 Mbps, and we're trying to send it over a 35 Mbps (max) upload, if we want to view it in the original quality we'll have to wait for it to download which will take longer than the length of the movie about three times as long so 10 hours... Again assuming Max capable speed.
Or I guess that's where the transcoding comes in to try to bring it down to a stream size that will max out the upload.
That's the system you guys engineered right to be able to do that?

[pure garnet]

we cannot control your internet speed

the setup is capable of more than then internet

[turbid locust]

I would pay a subscription to not have this guys messages appear in my chat

[indigo walrus]

"you guys engineered" - I hate to break it to you, but you're the one engineering the system. We're just sharing anecdotal advice / suggestions. 😄 Running your own "van life" / RV network + internet requires lots of work. Kudos to you wanting to do it, but it's not a cakewalk. Not trying to be rude here; just setting expectations.

[warped mountain]

I know about the vanlifers and their sponsorships. I actually originally wanted to do a built-in hard Mount PC and then just have everything wireless and have it display output to the TV but then I saw 5090 prices and decided not to and buy a laptop for less than the price of the 50 90. Lol

[pure garnet]

if you buy the stuff you linked earlier you can theoretically do gigabit if the drives are fast enough

so your choke for remote access will be your upload regardless of setup

and the download speed on the client

[warped mountain]

Huh? Wait like you're saying I can't access my media library over the internet?

[warped mountain]

No I understand that I'm just saying that that's the whole point of the sff is to transcode to the available upload speed?

[pure garnet]

the point of the sff is to be a box that handles everything beyond storage, including transcodes yeah

[brittle trellis]

The whole point was to eliminate their stupid movie watching method for when they're not home

[topaz veldt]

I am just shocked this is still going on at the phase that it is

[pure garnet]

also what made asus decide to just start dumping ayw boards stateside

[warped mountain]

???

[pure garnet]

we've gotten like a dozen models

[indigo walrus]

Read any provider's Terms of Service... even most home internet providers technically FORBIDrunning servers / hosting things. People do this all the time (my Synology is accessible to a few friends externally, as are a couple game servers) but that doesn't mean I'm not violating my ISP's Term of Service. Also... CG-NAT is fun. 😏

[turbid locust]

afaik non OC skus have been available for some time

[pure garnet]

i guess they gatekept the cool ones then and i never noticed the lame ones

[warped mountain]

Wait does starlink even give outside accessible static IPS?? I remember that when I did business support for AT&T they were sticky IPS. Starlink does not 😭

[turbid locust]

Apex has suspiciously few fan headers

[indigo walrus]

No. It's all CG-NAT. To my knowledge, you must rout connections through something like Tailscale, assuming you have devices compatible with the client software / connection method, at least.

[pure garnet]

how many

[turbid locust]

I’m seeing 3 regular chassis 4 pin headers

[pure garnet]

ocf has 6 (+1 additional pump if you count it) total

[warped mountain]

Oh so it's going to be like AT&T when businesses didn't want to pay for IPs..

it'll work for a while but if there's a system update it will change, the issue is if I'm not with the RV... I can't make the updates or even know what the IP is changed to..

[pure garnet]

4 are chassis fans specifically

[indigo walrus]

No, it's not like that at all. CG-NAT means you CANNOT route connections to the IP address at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT
Again, there are ways around this, but they technically violate the ToS and require much configuration.
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1g33tp0/you_can_host_a_website_behind_cgnat_for_free/

[warped mountain]

Open ports and what not

[warped mountain]

???????

[turbid locust]

Asus wtf does this even mean

[pure garnet]

sounds like 2 of those run 100% perma

[turbid locust]

yeah like wtf

[pure garnet]

and the dinky fan uses an asus specific header

[turbid locust]

I will splice a resistor don’t fw me

[indigo walrus]

I highly recommend reading up on CG-NAT before purchasing anything for your mobile living situation. You may find that what you're trying to do it either not possible at all, or requires a complex amount of knowledge.

[warped mountain]

Wait, so even if I can see my public IP I can't actually use it for incoming?

[topaz veldt]

on which

[odd sable]

The pump one is also probably a higher amperage one

[turbid locust]

on my fan

[pure garnet]

do you not have a fan hub mac

[turbid locust]

hell naw

[pure garnet]

they’re like $10

[turbid locust]

I wire my fans like a man

[topaz veldt]

which fan tho

[turbid locust]

I dunno

[topaz veldt]

there's like one full speed fan header i think

[pure garnet]

i have the noctua one which was a colossal waste of money but it looks cool

[topaz veldt]

2 of them actually yeah

[turbid locust]

All my fans are audible at max rpm so

that means I hate them

[ripe needle]

Snail

I fixed my pc

[pure garnet]

why did i pay $35 for this

[ripe needle]

Based

[topaz veldt]

I apologize I don't remember your issue

[ripe needle]

I have bad memory i dont even know if i told you 💀

[ripe needle]

Arrives today?

[pure garnet]

does that do rgb or is it rgb

[turbid locust]

I had zero recollection either when he told me last night

[topaz veldt]

it controls rgb and 6 fans

[ripe needle]

Argb is in title bru

[pure garnet]

yeah mine just does 8 fans

[turbid locust]

happens when you don’t live in the middle of fkin nowhere

[pure garnet]

which didn’t clarify if it was rgb or controlled it

[ripe needle]

Why would a fan hub have rgb 😭

[pure garnet]

i’m not a professional in wiring light up toys for children

[ripe needle]

Valid

[ripe needle]

Valid

[pure garnet]

when rgb ssds exist its not unbelievable to mean that clear top meant a light shines through it

[warped mountain]

Looks like IPv6, a VPN with port forwarding, of tailscale/zerotier.

[topaz veldt]

TFW light up kids toy smokes your professional machine

[ripe needle]

My cpu got rgb

[pure garnet]

professional imc loser

[ripe needle]

My mobo got rgb

My psu got rgb

[pure garnet]

the only rgb fans i’ve owned were some corsair thing

so i’ve never actually wired up rgb thankfully

[ripe needle]

I dont think its difficult

If it was nobody would have it

[pure garnet]

i mean market trend is the lights sell so it’s have it anyway

[ripe needle]

https://www.newegg.com/ibritecpu?srsltid=AfmBOorn4rghBUT6jCjJHePSX8RJSTeuz6k62BRYcBxhf3Fn3bexsuy6

[pure garnet]

if stuff all used windows dynamic lighting by default i’d be more interested but i don’t feel like using a bunch of individual software or have ads in my central control application

[turbid locust]

anyways wtf do you tune on ARL cpu core wise

[pure garnet]

the e cores are the main meaningful gain if i remember right

[ripe needle]

My chair got rgb to maximize performance

[craggy wigeon]

Should I set pump speed to always 100% ? Its a bit louder than all the fans

[ripe needle]

does it have rgb?

[turbid locust]

no

Whoever said that shit and made it common “knowledge” I hate them

[turbid locust]

type shit

[ripe needle]

Having anything at always 100% speed is a bad idea

[craggy wigeon]

It has like a screen lol why

[pure garnet]

oh also when you get the apex can you test my d2d bug

[craggy wigeon]

So make it scale with speed along with the fans?

[pure garnet]

i need to email asrock but one more sample won’t hurt

[turbid locust]

I would set a static speed at whatever spot is quiet but still performant

[ripe needle]

Rgb pumps function better

[turbid locust]

My LF3 basically sees no scaling past 80% pump speed

[pure garnet]

just set ngu and d2d to 32/32 like 200s boost and it’ll pass, sleep and resume, it’ll fail in p95 large or vt3

on 32/30 it won’t do that

[turbid locust]

idk what half this shit means

[pure garnet]

happened on floppa’s and akns but not snails

[pure garnet]

they’re 2 ratios for stuff on the chip

ngu is uncore and d2d is die to die

it’s basically fclk

[ripe needle]

?

This brother is speaking Latin

[turbid locust]

INTEL GOT COPE FABRIC?

[pure garnet]

no its just the closest equivalent

[brisk jolt]

no

[pure garnet]

higher die to die means the interconnect between tiles is faster

[turbid locust]

swag

[brisk jolt]

instead overclock your pump-

[warped mountain]

Alright, do y'all see anything else I need to add?

[pure garnet]

but above 30 it breaks with sleep and i just want another datapoint before emailing asrock

because if it doesn’t happen to you then evidently the apex has special privileges

[turbid locust]

Word

[turbid locust]

wealthy privilege

tall and handsome privilege

[pure garnet]

it’s happened on the master, the ocf, and a nova so far

so if the apex doesn’t happen twice then evidently it’s something they need to fix on the ocf

i’m not emailing gigabyte they can kiss my butt

4 bios updates for oled memory

[pure garnet]

fr

[turbid locust]

I will meta game bios versions on z890

[pure garnet]

yeah i’m running a beta bios from ocn on my board

[ripe needle]

What is this for

NAS?

[turbid locust]

Z890 and 265K probably doesn’t even make it to my main rig till this weekend

It’s going straight on the bench

[pure garnet]

that’s valid

[ripe needle]

What is the purpose of a NAS?

[turbid locust]

we do 9k or I kms on the spot

[warped mountain]

Correct this is what Snail recommended for my use case. I always viewed Synology like apple but sounds like they have completely changed.

[pure garnet]

i can’t stabilize 9k so i hope you can

[turbid locust]

Apex diff please

[pure garnet]

nah my imc is just not great

[warped mountain]

"Okay, what do I need to do the things that I want to do cuz clearly I'm not on the same page as everyone else.

-I want to stream (locally for now) an original quality 100Mb/s HDR/DV 10-bit, 7.1 sound. That way I can enjoy The Full experience.
-I need it to protect my data with redundancy.
-eventually it will be hooked up to starlink (that way I have access to it remotely) but in the meantime I'll need the ability to pull about 300 GB of data at a time for when I'm not physically on site.
I don't think there is anything else TBH, we will be limited by network throughput it sounds like."

[ripe needle]

Whats your use case?

[pure garnet]

at hyper specific signaling voltage values i got to boot into windows and take screenshots

the second i opened karhu the pc locked up

[ripe needle]

So youre streaming for your house?

[turbid locust]

I’m hoping Asus black magic just works

[warped mountain]

Yes, then transcoding for remote viewing/general access, my goal is to stop paying for cloud storage eventually and just host it locally.

[ripe needle]

I don’t even pay for cloud storage 💀

Ive never used the cloud

[warped mountain]

I had to because my basic tier just could not keep up with my needs.

[ripe needle]

My brother in Christ

[pure garnet]

hope so

[ripe needle]

Only 2tb for $10/mo?

Holy scam

[pure garnet]

great now there’s 2 of them

[ripe needle]

2tb should be $5 and 5tb should be $10

[turbid locust]

Honestly I think it’ll be up to my ram

I think I’ll need some CKD cope

[warped mountain]

Yeah, I used to have 1.5TB used before I purged.

[pure garnet]

i may get one of these eventually but rn i’m not super interested

[turbid locust]

I’ll do what I need to for the screenshot

[brisk jolt]

hmm $630 SGD for a 265K and a B860I after taxes doesnt sound bad…

sadly isnt a bundle

[pure garnet]

i’m gonna try to get 8000 booted on the ks for giggles

[turbid locust]

RPL can die in a fire

[pure garnet]

adl

[turbid locust]

8000?

[pure garnet]

just booting it

i’m shooting for 7200 hopefully actual

[turbid locust]

lol

[pure garnet]

rn it boots but dies in 15 min but i’m using a z690-e so the memory topology is stinky

idk either way it’ll just end up being a pretty looking nas board eventually

[turbid locust]

I haven’t bought a 2DPC board in over a year

Proud of myself

well technically I have but I returned it

and I’m technically buying one tomorrow but it’s literally not being unsealed

[pure garnet]

i don’t regret buying the master but i’ll probably stick with 1dpc for my desktop

[turbid locust]

Just the peace of mind of knowing you don’t have a board limit is peak

[pure garnet]

that’s basically my rationale too yeah

one less variable

[warped mountain]

But yeah that's the use case, files like this and whatnot.

[turbid locust]

Scrolling z890 Apex owner OCN thread and accidentally finding @topaz veldt posts lol

The amount of people there not getting 9k stable makes me nervous but

[topaz veldt]

you will notice most are 285K owners

[turbid locust]

Man I am not looking forward to 4 hours of driving BEFORE work

[brisk jolt]

more luck outta 265K or 285K for mem OC?

[turbid locust]

Also cause it’s 2am and I’ve barely slept

[brisk jolt]

or just both completely random xd

[topaz veldt]

there's a benefit to having less tiles and shit

[brisk jolt]

that 265K for $330 SGD seems interesting

the B860I however isnt- Its like all the Z890Is just disappeared

[topaz veldt]

The sudden ARL interest is fun

[turbid locust]

I just think it’s funny to buy into platforms I spent the last year talking shit about

Can’t ever let em know your next move

[brisk jolt]

Was interested in ARL- Just that they had horrible bundles

you TC2 lads however convinced me to wait NVL

[warped mountain]

All right, everything is ordered, I can't wait to see how it does. Hope the write speed isn't too slow lol 64TB is 44hrs at 400MB/s 💀
#tech-chat-2 message

Thank you guys so much for your help, I'll show you the finished results when it's complete

[slim pebble]

I suspect a lot is the sudden price drops and the improvements to the internal clocks

[topaz veldt]

I mean just on LTT TC2 alone

Up at 325 am because my daughter woke up and threw up... Oh boy

[oak vector]

oo whats the mini pc for?

and where are the drives going into (I haven't been following)

[warped mountain]

Was told it was necessary to do transcoding of media from the Synology that Snail recommended (DS1823xs+)

[sage bramble]

guys got a warranty replacement of my g274qpx for mag274qpf x30mv . do i go for it

[low sorrel]

@merry stirrup at least my mem OC was more stable then this

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/s/5cABkZSVbG

[minor herald]

https://tenor.com/biKvV.gif

[green marsh]

one good thing about modern times is that budget cases at 40 euros look way better than the budget cases of that price range 15-20 years ago 😄

[crimson widget]

Not bad

[turbid locust]

Cincinnati cops are my goats

They just do not gaf about speeding

[topaz veldt]

Bro its cincinnati

[turbid locust]

Ik but it’s like the third MC trip ive blasted by one doing like 20-30 over and they just do NOT give a fuck

[steel stream]

"This poor fucker just bought another Macbin, we will let him go"

[wraith steeple]

[edgy laurel]

savage

[turbid locust]

You guys are my favorite haters

[steel stream]

without haters how do you strive to be better?

We're totally just helping you out

[turbid locust]

real

bro my car is dirty af but tbf it snowed like a day ago but RAHHHH MICROCENTER

[wraith steeple]

[steel stream]

anyways I hope you enjoy the platform 🙏

[turbid locust]

Bawls required

That’s what I’m really here for

[wraith steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-happy-mr-burns-simpsons-satisfied-gif-16091269

[wise bear]

I knew it, mac likes balls

[shell void]

[turbid locust]

bawls bro bawls

[steel stream]

Oh cool, Arc Raiders is getting proper duos matchmaking

[turbid locust]

did anyone tell Michael I’m about to be an ARL pleb

[wise bear]

God dammit warship that one was funny

[wraith steeple]

[turbid locust]

I might buy some fans while I’m here too if they have any decent ones

I wonder if I could sell the z890 AYW to a random in the parking lot

[wraith steeple]

MC is now carrying Alphacool stuff

[turbid locust]

ayo?

[wraith steeple]

Fairly recently too

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?fq=brand:Alphacool

Pretty nice to see Micro Center expand their custom WCing inventory

[turbid locust]

Why are there so many middle aged men in this parking lot holding their laptops like a sick child walking up to stand in line at the door

[topaz veldt]

My running joke is... any hardware launch day, we're all lined up like morons, but theres like 8 men aged 60-75 who are mistakenly waiting in the launch line only to want reams of paper

[hoary hatch]

I had a dream that I found an open box 5070ti for $375

But it was a ventus

[turbid locust]

lol bro

[topaz veldt]

When i camped out over night for my 5090 the next morning I told the dudes around me "Wait until you see the dudes showing up at 8AM for reams of paper" - no one believed me

[turbid locust]

seriously tho wtf is so vital to your day to day life that you’re standing outside a microcenter waiting for it to open at 9:57am on a Wednesday

[wraith steeple]

[steel stream]

mf what are you doing

[turbid locust]

I’m here to buy cool shit

But I’m sitting in my car till they open

Like a normal person

[steel stream]

you already ordered right, just pickup?

[turbid locust]

Yeah I’m chillin

[topaz veldt]

Bros are hustlin for 10AM open to get a USB cable for too much money

[turbid locust]

It’s a 2 hour drive back home and I have to be at work in 3 hours. That’s why I’m here before they open. I’m valid.

[hoary hatch]

I haven't bought a USB cable in years

[steel stream]

call off

[hoary hatch]

What are you buying

[steel stream]

wait I thought you lived much closer to MC

[turbid locust]

Told bossman I’d probably be late cause I’m “going to buy cool shit in Cincinnati” and dude said “ok”

[wraith steeple]

I might pick up one of those Apex CPU blocks and those X-Flow rads sometime (though would late on the latter since MC is just recently starting to get stock)

[steel stream]

nice

[turbid locust]

my boss is great ngl

[topaz veldt]

11-18-2025... ugh

I dunno wtf they're replacing I wish they'd say

[turbid locust]

He let me leave like 3 hours early to go buy my 5090

[steel stream]

buy him some bawls

[turbid locust]

lol bro dudes in here “where are the flash drives”

[steel stream]

someone def needed to install windows last night and lost all their drives

[turbid locust]

Wait the 265KF is just $249 here. Do I just bail on the bundle? @topaz veldt

Bundle is $349 with a board I need to sell after

[steel stream]

would you ever downgrade it to a nas or smth

[turbid locust]

7700x is my NAS rn

[fringe vigil]

Let the experts do their job

[steel stream]

if you ever plan on making it your nas cpu get the K

if not 265KF is fine and good money saved

[steel stream]

what if I am the expert

[fringe vigil]

You’re a high school kid buddy

[steel stream]

jorj I am in college

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-7500x3d-launches-at-269-6-core-cpu-with-3d-v-cache-is-13-faster-than-core-ultra-245kf-in-gaming

[topaz veldt]

Bail on bundle bro

[turbid locust]

I did

I was under the impression the cpu retailed for $300 not $249

I was planning to sell the board quick for like $100. That just skips that entirely

[hoary hatch]

5nail, what happened to the TUF?

[turbid locust]

Also MC rep confirmed they just aren’t selling Apex’s anymore

I bought the last one this store will ever see

also I just sent Floppa a banger pic

[hoary hatch]

Another microcenter exclusive?

Oh 5070ti is now technically below msrp

*$20 rebate card

Honestly the black ventus looks fine

[edgy laurel]

-100Mhz from the other MC Exclusive 7600x3D

[hoary hatch]

So if a coworker asked me for PC part recommendations, out here in the PNW, 7600x3d simply isn't an option and 7500x3d probably won't be either?

[steel stream]

i think so, only available in a gaming pc atm

[steel stream]

send here

[hoary hatch]

I mean arrow lake is ass but at least I can order it from Newegg/Amazon/best buy

[steel stream]

damn

[hoary hatch]

At least all the regular AM5 CPUs are available at real retailers

[edgy laurel]

whoa, did you just suggest MC wasn't a "real retailer"?

[steel stream]

and more importantly, that arrow lake was ass?

[hoary hatch]

I don't believe in regional B&M chains

😤

[edgy laurel]

does he get kicked out of the club

[hoary hatch]

Oh that was a lie

I love a real memory controller

[steel stream]

I need to have a conversation with the board but the outcome is not looking great

[solid pelican]

kinda confused what slot the pcie cord goes into on my psu, it says cpu/pcie so does that mean i can use it for both technically or am i stupid

[steel stream]

mmmmmmmk

[steel stream]

fuck yeah lol

[hoary hatch]

Your microcenter is on a farm?

[turbid locust]

LMAO yeah

[edgy laurel]

Mac officially lives in bumblefuck

[turbid locust]

It’s Ohio idk what you guys expected

[hoary hatch]

No
He lives 2 hours away from bumblefuck

[edgy laurel]

damn

[turbid locust]

I have to drive 2 hours to get here

I do not live in this fuckass state

[edgy laurel]

who took the picture

[hoary hatch]

Ohio humbles me

[turbid locust]

My Sentra

[hoary hatch]

Actually my boss bought some real estate near the Intel Ohio site before Intel put that on hold

[edgy laurel]

tell me you didn't setup the camera on a timer lmao

[arctic bronze]

a fellow sentra user

[steel stream]

RIP

[turbid locust]

Video and then export frame

[edgy laurel]

even worse!

I love it

[turbid locust]

lol bro

[steel stream]

Also Navy can you tell someone at Intel to look at my internship applications k thx

[hoary hatch]

This is what the S pen was for

[hoary hatch]

They were all Lip Bu Tan'd

[steel stream]

:(

[hoary hatch]

I'm supposed to get a bonus next month and I am highly considering a Z fold 7

Or do I invest it all and wait for Z fold 8

[wise bear]

me fr
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oH5lMgt3z6U

[steel stream]

upgrade to 5090

[arctic bronze]

or buy 200+ gt210

[hoary hatch]

Anyone wanna give me $80 so I can return this PNY and get a gaming trio OC

[arctic bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[cinder kelp]

is 509.50 CHF or 638.86 USD a good price to buy an acer RX 9070xt or do i wait until black friday and hope for a better deal?

[steel stream]

yeah that seems aight

[hoary hatch]

Oh wow

5070ti review headlines were awful

I forgot this thing launched at basically $900

[steel stream]

how's it been treating you

[solid pelican]

ok so what ports can i use for the new gpu cables for the 5070, this is my exact psu, one of the gpu cables already runs directly from the psu itself

[edgy laurel]

you have two CPU/PCIe combo ports

one of them will be needed for the CPU

leaving you a single port

now, with a 5070 on a quality PSU a single port using a standard daisy chain cable is probably fine but.. what PSU is that

wait, you have 3

[solid pelican]

nzxt c650 80 plus bronze

[edgy laurel]

sorry the weird pin coloration on that middle one threw me off

[solid pelican]

semi modular

[solid pelican]

yea i found this online cause i couldnt get a good pic inside my pc, sorry

[edgy laurel]

so yeah, 3x PCIe/CPU headers.

One for the CPU then the other two are free for the GPU

5070 should have a 2x PCIe to 16-pin adapter in the box

[solid pelican]

ok, so can i use for 1 of the 2 cables the one thats running directly out of the psu? and then get a new cable for the other one?

[edgy laurel]

PSU hopefully came with another cable

[topaz veldt]

Sorry on this IBM call

[solid pelican]

alright ill go look, if it didnt is there a cable that i could buy?

[edgy laurel]

either direct from NZXT (contact their support) or hope someone like cablemod supports that specific PSU

[topaz veldt]

@hoary hatch What I posted on another site regarding 5090 TUF OC: https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-5090-owners-club.1814246/page-1155?post_id=29523702#post-29523702

[pure garnet]

for the price of cable mod you could just get a new unit

[topaz veldt]

😂

[solid pelican]

so i found a cable labled psu on it, looks like another pig tail type cable, i can use that and just use the main port right? i can send a pic of it if it helps

[edgy laurel]

don't use any unknown cable on the PSU that you aren't 100% certain was for that specific PSU

[solid pelican]

it was in with the other cables for the psu, sorry forgot to say that

[edgy laurel]

ok. yeah if you want to be super safe, two individual cables then one of the pigtails from each into the two inputs on the adapter

ugly, but free

buying a fully custom cable or just a new PSU can come later

[solid pelican]

ok, the 5070 comes with the adapter so i can jut plug in the two 8 pins right

[young void]

Cl26 kitt 🤌 tight is right

[edgy laurel]

yep, one from each of the cables

[solid pelican]

ok thank you much appreciated

[young void]

Also if I was a nvidia dev id be searching for the error for the line of code that failed the driver error does seem to indicate it myte be a coding fault. But hopefully they can find the part or maybe just reprogram it (reading snails post) especially with furmark chugging away

[topaz veldt]

i focused on the output of that error for a while but the truth is its just a crash error, the path and file references mean nothing unfortunately

[young void]

Reading comments now but yeah thats a funky one, glad asus and friends where quick to say they'd try and fix it

[frank zealot]

jesus christ, apparently DDR4 RDIMMs have skyrocketed in the last 3 months

[topaz veldt]

We'll see what they come back with

[topaz veldt]

Yes - believe it or not, DDR3 also

[frank zealot]

I just realized one of our HyperV Hosts needs more RAM before adding more virtuals

and the fuck lol

[topaz veldt]

yep

[frank zealot]

Jan/feb: 35-40 bucks a stick

Today: 150-200

[devout ridge]

NO! NOT MY DDR3!

[topaz veldt]

Mhm

[merry stirrup]

mac just dissed me in dms

[topaz veldt]

I was going to throw out some DDR3 32GB 4Rx4 shit

[devout ridge]

How else am i supposed to be 1-3TB of ram for cheap!?!?

[merry stirrup]

its him, middle finger up, holding a Z890 apex

[topaz veldt]

he shared it here also

[merry stirrup]

oh lol

FUCK YOU mac

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel how dumb is this "MOUSE5" overlay I can't even see the firemode

[devout ridge]

i'll pay shipping + the price of a 6 pack of cold ones for em

[topaz veldt]

How do you think I buy spare 5090s

[hoary hatch]

Crime

[merry stirrup]

DDR3 4R shit doesnt run on anything fun or normal

[devout ridge]

I assumed you're just loaded

[whole coral]

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/five-debt-hotspots-ai-data-centre-boom-2025-11-05/ lmao.

Poor investors

[devout ridge]

it'll run on my shitty LGA2011 dual socket system

[topaz veldt]

well yeah but

[frank zealot]

currently you don't lol

[merry stirrup]

but why

[frank zealot]

You go back to january to get cheap RAM rofl

[devout ridge]

big number funni

time to move to DDR2 for my funny RAM numbers /s

[whole coral]

AI is a bubble lmao. Although there are exceptions where AI can be incredibly helpful. Just my view

[devout ridge]

i refuse to feel bad for investors in AI

[merry stirrup]

maybe funny ram power draw

[devout ridge]

good thing i don't pay for power

[merry stirrup]

i can send you 6 DDR3L 8GB sodimms

[devout ridge]

but then i'd be at 1.6666dpc for 48gb more

that would only push me to 560gb in my stupid NAS

[topaz veldt]

I have a bunch of DDR3 to chuck

[hoary hatch]

Hold up

What could you build with the ddr3 instead

[edgy laurel]

thats a fun bug

[hoary hatch]

Table made out of ddr3?

[devout ridge]

modern art?

[hoary hatch]

Use it as flooring?

[turbid locust]

Floppa got the uncropped pic tho lol

[merry stirrup]

ddr3 as an epoxy floor would be fire

[hoary hatch]

5nail lacks imagination

[frank zealot]

roflmao: A Newegg Business seller is listing a 180$ stick of DDR4 ECC RAM with the phrase "NOT FOR HOME PC!"

[merry stirrup]

NOT FOR HOME PC! real shit

[devout ridge]

basically every ECC vendor has to add the "DONT PUT IT IN YOUR DESKTOP DUMBASS" warning

[merry stirrup]

my T5810 is the opposite

except it works with normal dimms anyways so fuck you dell

[pure garnet]

based

[merry stirrup]

no chip in the photo minus points

im going to delid this 265k when refresh comes out

[steel stream]

gonna destroy it

[merry stirrup]

@topaz veldt get a rig with a 265k and oc board be competitive its fun

@shell void buy tachyon

[dawn plover]

It's not just your view, I think AI is overvalued rn

[merry stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/blob-jelly-memes-stare-at-it-bob's-gif-8902687973428544154

[topaz veldt]

I can just swap CPUs out of my plex box

[steel stream]

buy me the board and i'll OC everyday

[merry stirrup]

this is basically what i meant

[merry stirrup]

next gen i will consider giving it to you for oc purposes

[steel stream]

oh i'll buy NVL on launch dw lol

[shell void]

z790 tachyon x

[dawn plover]

why don't we use ECC on normal desktops

[merry stirrup]

close!

[topaz veldt]

its just annoying and I am down a PC right now so... I am tired

[merry stirrup]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-tachyon-ice-z890-a-tachyon-ice-extended-atx-intel-z890-motherboard-lga-1851/p/N82E16813145589

herre you go

[shell void]

i couldn’t help but notice that has an 8 after the z instead of a 7

[merry stirrup]

it should still work dw

[devout ridge]

more cost than it's worth

[merry stirrup]

bios update or something

[devout ridge]

there's basically zero benefit for most desktop applications

[shell void]

you can if you want to, it’s super based

[devout ridge]

also yeah, AM5 has ECC UDIMM support

[shell void]

i’m still leaning towards going W980 + ECC for Nova Lake

[dawn plover]

I know, but if we adopted it the costs would surely come down

[steel stream]

hella based

[devout ridge]

Not really, when you add complexity you inherently add cost

[steel stream]

that would be a cool platform

[merry stirrup]

you are going to pay the most money for your computer and have the slowest

[devout ridge]

ECC is inherently more complex than non-ECC

[merry stirrup]

cinema

there is no way W980 is going to be cheaper than oc boards

[dawn plover]

I think there's a market for people who would pay for slower RAM if it was ECC

[merry stirrup]

then