tech-chat-2

[edgy laurel]

That offers the performance you're after, in the games you play at your preferred resolution

Drop this idea of an ideal "pairing"

its not a relevant metric

[alpine creek]

as in would i better getting a cpu on par with them, like its not causing a botle neck

[edgy laurel]

You're talking about all latest gen / modern parts. Bottlenecks are not something you should be concerning yourself with

That stupid word needs to be banned until people understand what it means lol

[alpine creek]

i do because i wont be upgrading for easily 7 years

[edgy laurel]

that has no relevance

what is relevant is once again, buy the best you can afford. thats all that matters

especially if you plan to keep it for 5+ years

Mods, can we warship "bottleneck"

[alpine creek]

your a very dismissive person, could just say wether you think the pair would work and if it would matter about bottleneck, quite rude icl

[edgy laurel]

If the GPU would work.. of course it would work. If thats the best you can afford, then thats the best option.

No one can answer this mysterious "bottleneck" question because it simply doesn't work that way. You've been led to believe its this static "thing" that needs to be avoided but its not that simple. Every system has a performance bottleneck that will change depending on the game.

If there wasn't one, you'd have unlimited performance.

[devout ridge]

not just on the game, but also the resolution and exact settings you choose

[edgy laurel]

And we know that isn't the case.

[fleet marsh]

My pc's bottleneck is my pc.

[edgy laurel]

My bottleneck bounces between my self imposed framerate limiter or GPU performance depending on the game. In some UE5 titles, its my CPU.

[brisk jolt]

he generally answered your question- you literally specified nothing.

[edgy laurel]

In some others, its just the engine itself.

There is far more to this concept than just your CPU and GPU pairing.

[devout ridge]

common problem for smaller dev teams

[grizzled lily]

i knew it tech people got something hard stuck up their a** 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[devout ridge]

Providing accurate, well nuanced answers means we have a stick up our asses?

[wraith steeple]

At least it's not like ye olde days when the rig you brought home would be impossibly obsolete a few months or in some severe cases the second you brought it home from a major retailer or the mom and pop shop

[grizzled lily]

guys chilll

[wraith steeple]

[edgy laurel]

I'm sure its the way I went about it but this question, or rather misunderstanding comes up multiple times a day, year after year.

[brisk jolt]

This all stemmed from ZTT

[alpine creek]

simply dont answer

[edgy laurel]

Ha, yeah I was gonna say, blame the youtubers

[brisk jolt]

well, mostly.

[devout ridge]

And continues to exist because many other tech creators like to perpetuate the idea

[grizzled lily]

not everyone has time research and understand all parts, all good, given the question ans provided

[devout ridge]

So you don’t want an accurate answer but instead an incorrect one that feeds into your preconceived notions of how PC performance works?

[grizzled lily]

my love chill

[edgy laurel]

Yep, so they're told not to worry about it

[devout ridge]

Anything from the most recent generation will perform admirably for the foreseeable future

[wraith steeple]

And in said ye olde days that was why 486 (and to a lesser extent) Pentium overdrives became a thing

[devout ridge]

also true for the previous generation

[grizzled lily]

Just get 9070xt; you will not be disappointed.

[edgy laurel]

End of the day, guy wants a GPU to last him 7+ years. You buy the best one you can afford, period. You can elaborate on games you play/intend to play and resolution but 7+ years is a LONG time and games are getting harder and harder to run.

This is the only thing that makes sense, not worrying about some hypothetical "pairing".

[devout ridge]

9070xt wasn’t one of the options they suggested

[fleet marsh]

i mean... im thinking about getting a 5070 ti just for wow in 1440p lol. kinda a waste lol

[brisk jolt]

go back to watching ZTT for advice im sure you’d like brainrotted easy to consume content over people with experience and knowledge who have a way deeper understanding.

We would hear you out- But you didnt state any specifics and started lashing out

[grizzled lily]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-chill-gif-4825138080902567122

[edgy laurel]

Two keywords come up everytime in these situations. "pairing" and "bottleneck". Its at that point you know you've gotta clear up these misconceptions on what matters and what doesn't because they've been misled.

[grizzled lily]

eliajah streaming

[devout ridge]

we can indeed tell that from his status

q is either writing a whole essay or a single sentence, no inbetween

[edgy laurel]

Is that a q? I don't understand any of those characters

[devout ridge]

it looks like a q

closest thing to an english character in their username

[edgy laurel]

Too old to even know how one does that

[devout ridge]

copy paste some unicode iirc

[brisk jolt]

too lazy to find out

I dont know, and uh, I dont care

[edgy laurel]

and that lmao

[alpine creek]

I'm saying if its an annoying question then just ignore it and let someone else answer, and the reason I say I didnt like your answer originally is the way you dismissed my thoughts, takes 2 seconds to be polite, as well the fact that i was asking because if there is a gap in performance now, as someone who doesnt know alot about it i assume with time some games will be more cpu dependant or gpu so if one is weaker in 7 years i thought it could lead to a bigger bottle neck, and yes i didnt state specifics becasue i was rushing for an answer because im excited about a new pc, and you say i lashed out i simply said that i thought his approach was very dismissive, and that if a question annoys someone and they are going to let that be portrayed over text to simply ignore it. I also find it quite funny how everyone jumped at me for saying so, apologies for thinking people dont mind helping out others

[devout ridge]

there’s the essay

[grizzled lily]

guys we want more minds in tech we need newcommers

[brisk jolt]

sorry little one but

[devout ridge]

your a very dismissive person, could just say wether you think the pair would work and if it would matter about bottleneck, quite rude icl

[edgy laurel]

still concerned about bottlenecks. Going to be really upset in 7 years when his GPU is the performance bottleneck in every title.

[devout ridge]

crisis is what happens when you try and predict the future of gaming

[edgy laurel]

As it might be today at 4K in AAA titles

[devout ridge]

in 7 years we might be running 8k games or something, it’s impossible to say

best you can do is buy the best thing you can afford right now, and hope for the best

[grizzled lily]

whenever someones angry, it good the shake the body aggressivly and also test to see if you notice your saliva taste change, that way you can remain calm

[devout ridge]

what

[grizzled lily]

facts no troll

[pure garnet]

if you want to keep a card for almost a decade buy the top end of the stack

but playing crystal ball is dumb

[low sorrel]

damn more money = more performance

[pure garnet]

if you need to upgrade you need to upgrade, that's how it works

[slim plume]

Can someone help me with this? I'm trying to switch cases so I gottatake my gpu out but no matter how hard I try I can't pull it out its a 4080 super and I have been pinching the bottom on the lever thingy too

[brisk jolt]

-i turn left now. goodluck to everybody else

[pure garnet]

did you take the screws out?

[slim plume]

Yes

[edgy laurel]

I'm going to try one more time to try and help you understand that this worry about "bottlenecks" is making your goal of building a PC more complicated than it needs to be.

I have a 7800x3D and a 4090 and I play at 4K. If I play vampire survivors, a top down basically 2D game, my "bottleneck" is my self imposed framerate limiter. If I play Alan Wake 2, my bottleneck is my GPU. If I play (at least back at launch) Stalker 2 my bottleneck was my CPU.

You always have a performance bottleneck and it shifts around

The people that need to care about this are the people trying to play games with a 13y/o CPU and say a 5070. That CPU has no chance of keeping that GPU fed with data to allow it to perform at 100% in modern titles. Not a chance in the world.

[pure garnet]

what board

[slim plume]

Only thing holding it in is its wire

[slim plume]

Gigabyte smth

[pure garnet]

does it have a quick release?

[fleet marsh]

may have to add dw -20 gpu oil to get it out

[slim plume]

Idk

[low sorrel]

you use a self imposed fps cap?

[brisk jolt]

take smth like a pencil and push the lever done

[pure garnet]

oh wait you meant the cable? i thought it was stuck in the slot

[slim plume]

Push it which way

[edgy laurel]

Global 116fps, yes. Remember, I play on a 4K120 display.

[brisk jolt]

down

[slim plume]

Yea the cable

[pure garnet]

the levers down so you kinda just gotta pull it

[brisk jolt]

OH BRUH i thought he was talking about the pcie latch

[grizzled lily]

https://tenor.com/view/but-i-commend-you-dj-tambe-ink-master-i-salute-you-sending-praise-your-way-gif-758579579689928870

[pure garnet]

same

[slim plume]

Down as in when I pull out out pinch it towards the place I'm holding or pull it down opposite to where I hold

[brisk jolt]

none of the above

[slim plume]

I tried😭

[brisk jolt]

for the cable pinch the latch and pull out

[pure garnet]

if your psu is modular honestly just unplug it at the psu side if you can't get it out

[brisk jolt]

12vhwpr takes quite some effort to pull out

[edgy laurel]

Can't reach through the screen and do it for you.

[edgy laurel]

daily limit on "like" exceeded

[slim plume]

Can I ship one of yo to my house to help with Ts in so done🙏

[brisk jolt]

press down onto the edge of the cable (to the left)

ur pushing it on the right side

[edgy laurel]

put the camera down, hold the latch and move it back and forth. We can't do this for you.

[pure garnet]

side to side even

[edgy laurel]

that

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/jeonqmi-monkey-escape-gif-21816255

literally how it feels sometimes pulling out the 12vhpwr

[edgy laurel]

videos where you're using one hand and holding a camera aren't helpful. Videos in general aren't helpful.

[brisk jolt]

NO DONT TAKE THE SCREWDRIVER-

[edgy laurel]

You need to get in there and just get it done

[slim plume]

For me to get it done I need to be moving it in the right way

I feel like I'm not

[brisk jolt]

use your thumb and some other finger to pinch the edge of the connector that has a release latch and pull out

can you show the top of the cable

[edgy laurel]

Its a connector. You pull it out and life experience tells you that might include having to go side to side a bit to work it out. All while making sure to hold the clip.

[brisk jolt]

wibbly wobbly wibbly wobbly wibbly wobbly

[edgy laurel]

i don't understand why this needs to be explained over the internet or what good it would do

[brisk jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/296167427652321302/1085962676531892375/20230316_215636.gif

[edgy laurel]

Engage your Mk.1 eyeballs and problem solve.

[brisk jolt]

kiroshi optics

[edgy laurel]

if only

[brisk jolt]

the other side of the cable prob should be like this, you want to aim for that latch and press down, pull out

[pure garnet]

professional cable uninstaller guilty

[slim plume]

That's what I have been doing 💔

[brisk jolt]

yeah as i said its hella tough to pull out

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-24409967

[slim plume]

How much force should I use while squeezing it like so much I feel like it could break orr

[polar prawn]

just enough so you can feel the latch bend open a little

it’s sturdy and not going to break from squeezing

[slim pebble]

I hope it’s not melted in or something horrible like that.

[slim plume]

I can't even get it that far💔

[slim plume]

I don't think so I have not seen any deformaties

[brisk jolt]

that is one fuckass cable position for a card im ngl

[edgy laurel]

42.7in.-lb's, no more no less

[polar prawn]

i just had to take unplug mine for the first time today to install a ssd and it was pretty surprising how much force it required

[slim pebble]

The latch needs to bend a little more, then wiggle back and forth/up and down. See if it loosens

[slim plume]

What's LB to KG I'm Australian

[polar prawn]

just squeeze the shit out of it and wiggle it left/right as you unplug it a bit

[pure garnet]

i can't wait for the next 12v 2x6 revision that involves screws like the vga connector

[polar prawn]

ignore them they were meming

[pure garnet]

must be tightened to 56nm or not warrantyable

[edgy laurel]

That was a joke. You have 5+ people trying to help you unplug a cable over the internet...

[slim pebble]

Just TC2 things

[slim plume]

A very tuff cable

[slim plume]

Idk what this means

[pure garnet]

you would have better luck pulling the cable if you put down the phone

elbow grease brother

[polar prawn]

just do this but the latch is on the bottom for you

[low sorrel]

press the thing and pull buddty

[edgy laurel]

you know kyoko you're probably right. at this point just pull it from the PSU end

[slim plume]

I have been trying for the past hour like

[slim plume]

That's what I have been doing

[edgy laurel]

no, you hit your "like" limit in that first video. no more

[low sorrel]

pull harder

[pure garnet]

if it didn’t come out in 5 minutes that’s what i would’ve done

[brisk jolt]

concentrate and muster all ur strength to pull it out

[low sorrel]

grab a friend

[slim plume]

But what if I break it

[edgy laurel]

then you break it

[slim plume]

I have none walkable distance

[low sorrel]

if

[brisk jolt]

ur not gonna break the connector

[polar prawn]

it’s not going to unplug if you keep half assedly trying to pull it out

unplug the card from the motherboard first if you’re that worried about breaking something

it should make everything easier

[vagrant cargo]

what in the hell did amd just do?

[pure garnet]

no more rx 6000 drivers

[brisk jolt]

unplug the PSU end if its modular
take the card out
and PULLLLLLL

[oak vector]

I heard the word Australian and I was summoned

[slim plume]

I have unscrewed it all I just have the last one in so it had some support

[brisk jolt]

they nuked day 1 drivers for rdna1 n 2

[slim plume]

Oh wait good idea

[slim plume]

Loo

[edgy laurel]

no more day 1 game optimizations, thats all.

[pure garnet]

well it’s the bug fix only branch now

[edgy laurel]

feature complete

[pure garnet]

so parity with you know, 9 year old pascal

[edgy laurel]

and like with that, people are acting like their 6000 series card is going to blow up tomorrow

[raven pivot]

How's that amd fine wine?

[pure garnet]

it still sucks for the age of the card though

[edgy laurel]

not the end of the world

[brisk jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381193840159358976/1429172046046433390/IMG_7512.gif

[polar prawn]

Has anyone used syncthing before? I’m trying to keep files on two windows laptops synced whenever they come online at the same time without a central server and it seems like a good option

[raven pivot]

Dat amd fine wine tho.

[wraith steeple]

Expecting gaymers to grasp this is asking way too much

[edgy laurel]

Your 6900xt will stop working entirely! -- what they hear.. probably

[shell void]

i will accept any and all opportunities to crap on radeon

[dapper junco]

I'm currently lightly using it to sync up my note folder
it has its quirk imo.

[wraith steeple]

Media Illiteracy! Media Illiteracy!
Edit: sung in the same connotation as Electricity song from School House Rock

[slim plume]

In trying to pull the cable out of the PSU and I can't even do that I'm pinching down hard on the lever and cable and pulling out incredibly hard but it just won't move

Is there some technique I should use or smth

[edgy laurel]

no

[brittle trellis]

I suggest a gym membership

[edgy laurel]

Examine the connector in front of you with your eyeballs, problem solve how its meant to latch and unlatch, then use your fingers to remove it. If it isn't coming out, either you're not strong enough or your not holding the latch. This isn't solved in any other way.

[slim plume]

Trust me thats not the problem physically I'm healthy

[young void]

Can try yee old left and right wiggle but be sure the clip is pinched to where its not hitting the plastic tab*

[raven pivot]

Remember when people thought amd gpu got a decent % bump in performance from a driver update?

[slim plume]

I just rly don't wanna break this

[dapper junco]

I would say the connector can withstand a decent pull

[polar prawn]

what issues do you run into?

[merry stirrup]

guess who is very ill

this floppa

[edgy laurel]

was this discovered in the last 2 hours

[young void]

Sorry floppa fams it hit us like a brick wall

[slim plume]

I GOT IT

[wraith steeple]

I'm at work

[slim plume]

From the psu

Quite easy

[merry stirrup]

no i skipped work today i just forgot to mention i was sick to chat

i’m bored waiting for ycruncher

[edgy laurel]

I was going to say you've been talking RAM for like 10 hours straight in here lmao

[merry stirrup]

lmao

[young void]

Drink lots of water, ibuprofen/Tylenol combo for the fever

[raven pivot]

I love talking about ram.

[merry stirrup]

you don’t even know

[polar prawn]

so I’d rate the force needed to get the connector out of the card like 3x as much as from the psu

[slim plume]

Ok

[raven pivot]

I helped a random fb marketplace person to oc his ram to 6000 cl30 because it had hynix m die.

[slim plume]

I GOT IT

@edgy laurel @polar prawn ilysm

[polar prawn]

hell yeah

[dapper junco]

The Android version is a 3rd party fork and so it has a weird quirk where the sync progress percentage will sometimes not updating.
as for pc to pc sync, I forgot what quirk I ran into when I'm using it atm

[edgy laurel]

all it took was some passive aggressive insults

[merry stirrup]

broski i have an ip kvm specifically to overclock my ram at work

[edgy laurel]

is this healthy

[raven pivot]

LOL

[young void]

XD

[merry stirrup]

you’re mad i get paid to mess with my own computer

[brisk jolt]

i suggest you start by practicing pulling the motherboard 24 pin

[merry stirrup]

look at how terrible this thing looks rn

[merry stirrup]

pull clip wiggle up and down

and out

[young void]

She may not be pretty but if it works

[merry stirrup]

not side to side

and not just straight out

it’ll rock out it’s really not that difficult

[slim plume]

Now I need to figure out how to remove the glass panel on the new case

Then I’ll get the motherboard out

[young void]

The 24 pin is usually pain

[merry stirrup]

i have issues plugging in the cpu 8 pin cause i usually do it at poor times

[pure garnet]

i do it outside of the case now

i’ve learned my lesson on that

[merry stirrup]

yeah

[pure garnet]

had my wife do it outside the case as well

[merry stirrup]

i should i’m just silly

i just built her computer

[young void]

I think its time to raid the kitchen

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-gif-26515278

[merry stirrup]

i ordered killer burger cause i was told its good

we’ll see

[young void]

As long as it gets to you before the fries get soggy its where its at

[merry stirrup]

no fries cause they wanted 8$

ain’t no way

for about a dollar of potato’s and 3 minutes of labor

got me FREAKED up

[young void]

It do be a bit pricey xD

I landed on hotsauce on a tostinoes

[merry stirrup]

fire

[lone scarab]

booger

brurger

regrub

[strange radish]

yo im looking for a white ram 6000-6400 speed, 32gb, can someone help me find a good one? (US amazon)

[slim plume]

What should I add

[shut pasture]

i mean it depends what u are doing with it

[south idol]

OLED monitor

[south idol]

Cheapest from known brand

[slim plume]

It’s a 240 Hz and I just got it I don’t rly need an oled I only play Valorant

And some other storyline games

[south idol]

No need to go overboard with the setup either, time to enjoy it

[brisk jolt]

a 720hz 720p oled

[slim plume]

How much are they usually

[brisk jolt]

like 69420 dollars or smth

[slim plume]

….

[brisk jolt]

its satire btw

[slim plume]

Good

[brisk jolt]

clean setup but pretty typical

I want em messy setups to flex

[stable turret]

This is why I don’t recommend purchasing Radeon 5000 or 6000 cards despite how good their performance is. AMD decided to cheap out all RDNA 1/2/3 series cards and took away most of the computation (matrix) unit (CDNA) and made them effectively only good for rasterization. In the same time, NVIDIA kept the computation (datacenter) unit on their graphics card, aka the tensor cores, which made nvidia cards much stronger at interference, upsampling and frame generation than RDNA 1/2/3. please realize, as a profit driven company, AMD doesn’t care about you at all, and all they want is just profit, through means of whether or not hurting the consumers. While NVIDIA still actively maintains rtx 30 series, AMD already made announcements ditching their counterparts, without even getting the drivers on par in terms of performance with NVIDIA. Shitty companies will always do shitty practice, and when AMD introduces UDNA, RDNA3 will be ditched as soon as possible as it’s totally a completely different architecture. RDNA4 will stay a bit longer as it resembles the next gen UDNA, however don’t expect anything from a shitty company AMD, and they will not deliver anything. Don’t ever expect them getting the drivers good before totally abandoning you. If you are someone who pays some level of respects to yourself, avoid AMD graphics cards PLEASE, and go nvidia.

[wheat void]

[merry stirrup]

seems that my chip only needs .95v vnnaon for 40d2d

perhaps maybe* its running ycruncher at least and has been fo 10 minute

[shell void]

10 minute stable? youtube comment section tuner approved

[merry stirrup]

30 whole minutes now

[steel stream]

its good to go

[edgy laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/not-laughing-unfunny-spider-man-gif-25376785

[turbid locust]

Why are you like this

[pale grove]

fuck upscaling

I like my frames raw

[turbid locust]

AMD drivers are open source. RDNA 1 and 2 users will be fine. Lmfao.

[thin python]

where do i ask question when fixing software problems

[steel stream]

#1027757333117415424

[steel stream]

I was waiting so long for him to start laughing

[thin python]

wait can u reinstall windows without resetting data? I have the your it administrator has limited access problem

[edgy laurel]

no, thats not a reistall

thats the janky built in "reset" feature

[thin python]

oh

[edgy laurel]

not a proper reinstall

[thin python]

i think the "your it administrator" problem has not been solved yet

[edgy laurel]

the login you're using is not an admin, or something funky with your install

[timid rover]

💀

atleast it's better for competitive gamers

[autumn rain]

Gomenasai back at it again

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/minisforum-spooks-customers-with-price-increase BOO!

Not an interesting article but a funny one

[dapper junco]

at this rate we aint gonna have a consumer gpu segment soon
or the ai bubble can pop and after one smol recession we can all have funni gpu to play with again

[edgy laurel]

thats why he doesn't recommend purchasing 5+ year old products.

No other reason..

[shell void]

[steel stream]

I <3 using ewaste

[dapper junco]

nvidia can do the funniest thing next ngl

but they have the ai toy

[steel stream]

I think NVIDIA should stop developing drivers for everything but blackwell

[shell void]

true akn

it’s time to abandon people on antiquated lovelace gpus

[dapper junco]

I mean they almost rendered their driver unusable just a while back

[steel stream]

NVIDIA is for people with money, can't be driving 65 in the left lane

Since when did the connections start using images instead of words

[edgy laurel]

the what

[brisk jolt]

me looking at the idiot passing me when Im going 247 in a 90

in km*

[steel stream]

the NYT connections

[steel stream]

I always drive at the perfect speed, if someone is driving faster than me they are an idiot

[brisk jolt]

whatever speed the lion drives is the correct one

[edgy laurel]

Oh, didn't even know that was a thing

[steel stream]

Killing time today, so played it for the first time in a while, and it had pictures instead of words

[autumn rain]

Mom and dad told the lion he can stay up an extra hour because it’s Halloween

[steel stream]

i've never seen the game have pictures

[pale grove]

I think they had a couple pictures once before but not all pictures

[steel stream]

interesting

[pale grove]

wait that might have been emojis instead

[fierce halo]

Are Intel arc GPU's any good for story mode games, hitman gta6 and so on?

[steel stream]

todays was pretty easy ngl

[dapper junco]

wait no way they do have pictures

[pale grove]

I always fail the connections I'm so bad at it

usually the blue and purple ones I've never heard of before, this time it's the only ones I got correct

[steel stream]

I'm ok, but sometimes it's real annoying

[shell void]

B580 is decent but it’s kinda weak

it’s like a 12GB RTX 5050

[autumn rain]

They are pretty good budget cards, but GTA6 doesn’t even have a PC release date yet as far as I’m aware

[edgy laurel]

the type of game doesn't really play a role. speaking of, GN just put out a video on the state of Arc this morning. https://youtu.be/fhECKZQI_Y8?si=kArIXPI_rGd9PpHt

[fierce halo]

Sadly they are not avlbl in India

[edgy laurel]

I wouldn't intentionally put myself through that

[pale grove]

a lot of the things are like "people famous only in the US with a letter in front"

I don't know these people

[fierce halo]

I'm on a tight budget

A very tight one

[shell void]

idk how the indian market is or what your budget is

[autumn rain]

B580 was a game changer for a few of my buddies, but it is a little difficult to spec for it. Unless there’s been some big change in compatibility that I’m not aware of, you need a generally midrange CPU for it to not bottleneck

[shell void]

anything less than a 3060 Ti is going to struggle to run new demanding games

[topaz veldt]

Soooo 9950X3D back to crashing directx last night

[autumn rain]

The 3060ti should have had 12gb of VRAM

[topaz veldt]

@merry stirrup @shell void what do we think the odds are of degrading a RAM kit w/ 1.6vdd/1.56vddq daily driver?

[shell void]

i don’t think you need that much vddq but it shouldn’t be a problem

i know 1.6vdd isn’t a problem for hynix d5

[topaz veldt]

I just pulled the 6000 CL26 32GB kit out and put in 6000 CL26 2x24GB, perhaps the RAM is the issue

[shell void]

there have been people dailying 1.75vdd since 12900k

[topaz veldt]

on air though?

[shell void]

if ur worried about temps n lifespan then i would try to minimize vddq

[burnt mortar]

My DDR3 running 1.65 daily loves it

[dapper junco]

Is today's theme ||famous fictional characters||

[green marsh]

well, RAM and SSD price increases. Did customers expect them to eat costs forever ? Others change prices at whim with no prior notification

[burnt mortar]

HBM2 moment

[fierce halo]

35000rs is less?

[edgy laurel]

I have no idea what that means

[fierce halo]

It's my budget in rupees

[dapper junco]

The purple connection tricked me a bit ngl

[topaz veldt]

I am worried the DIMMs might be degraded

well, not worried, but yeah

[lone scarab]

for gpu?

[fierce halo]

I wish to spend this much only for CPU and gpu

[pure garnet]

that’s not much even in the us for both

[topaz veldt]

Anyone have Warzone installed?

and on an AMD 7800X3D/9800X3D/9950X3D?

[frank zealot]

Think the risks of buying a manager an OLED/QDOLED are worth it in an office setting?
https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-24-012-085&tpk=9b-24-012-085

One of the higher-ups needs a better screen than his 24" 1080p. I talked him into a 1440p UW display.

[rigid orchid]

Is amd dropping game ready drivers for rdna 1 and 2?

[shell void]

i wouldn’t buy a qd oled for a normie because they’re temperamental about ambient lighting, and how you clean the screen

[shell void]

w-oled is fine though

[frank zealot]

I may just go with a decent VA/IPS instead

[shell void]

prob better

[rigid orchid]

Rdna 1 I can understand, but why rdna 2?

[frank zealot]

RNDA 2 is only 1 year newer than 1

[shell void]

6950XT has decent raw performance still, but it lacks modern feature support

[pure garnet]

it’s still early in the usual lifecycle but it’s radeon so what do we expect

b5 42 inch is 550 today

[rigid orchid]

There are a lot of people still on 6700 xts and 6800 xts

[pure garnet]

i got one in my closet

[topaz veldt]

Nope

[edgy laurel]

and their 6700xt's and 6800xt's aren't going anywhere. will still continue to play games like they've been doing for the past 5 years

[shell void]

RDNA2 barely supports RT so AMD can’t do much to optimize its performance in new RT games xd

[pure garnet]

turing owners taking another w

the 2070 super has entirely outlasted the reddit backed 5700 xt

[shell void]

turing barely supports RT too tbf

even the 2080Ti eats shit if you enable RT and Ray Reconstruction

[graceful marten]

I just realised I bought a white psu for my all black pc 😛

[dapper junco]

Its a bad look for a company who was quoted talking about how they champion longevity and support nonetheless
Just for argument's sake, RTX 20 series is still getting latest game ready updates

[graceful marten]

All cables are white aswell, it will look good.... perhaps 😂

[shell void]

some contrast perchance

[pure garnet]

dlss carries it being usable in general though

2019 card can use dlss 4 tensor model

[dapper junco]

Yep, some contrast could be a good thing

[graceful marten]

The other psu is also non modular so it is a pain in the ass for someone who has never done this before

[shell void]

yeah and the performance falls off of a cliff if you enable Ray Reconstruction with it

which is required for RT to not look like shit

at least it can somewhat do RT i suppose

AMD still has no reconstruction denoiser so even the 9070XT can’t really do RT

[graceful marten]

Also the 8 pin for the cpu power, is it small enough to slide in behind the motherboard tray? It should be right?

[lone scarab]

not much tbh

thats like 350 euros total

unless you buy used

[civic reef]

I have the latter
Only because the 20 series counterpart in price was a 2060 standard

Not even a 2060S

Fun card tbh

[pure garnet]

which still isn’t much

sleep working reliably everytime is so beautiful on the new board

[lone scarab]

he probaby doesnt have more money ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell void]

i ended up not buying neither the iPhone 17PM nor the XG32UCWMG

[lone scarab]

so used is the best thing he can do in this case

XG32UCWMG nice name

[pure garnet]

are you keeping the 13 another year

[shell void]

idk tbh

[fierce halo]

I understand

[sly moon]

I got my 6800 last December. It’s within 10% of the 9060 xt. I have no reason to upgrade. Anyone know if there is a good place on the amd site to send complaints via?

[toxic grotto]

I’m enjoying the 17p that was a free upgrade from the 13

[brisk jolt]

tbh imo i feel like anything below 40 series just sucks at RT in total

excluding the shitty 60 class cards

[pure garnet]

d2d and sleep are acting up again

guess we going back to 32/30

[wise bear]

Moooorning

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[pure garnet]

doesn't happen on these, happens on 34/34 and 32/32

[shell void]

i swear you’ve never had a pc that could sleep

[pure garnet]

i mean it sleeps fine the issue is it fails prime 95 the second it resumes from sleep

whereas it doesn't with that d2d

[wise bear]

me for 2 hours before I got up

[pure garnet]

doesn't really make sense but i guess some voltage rail isn't enough to bring it back

[brisk jolt]

its 11:22pm for me rn gang i think im gonna die of death

woke up 7am for sch, went to work 5-10

[gloomy vault]

🙀

[brisk jolt]

and btw meta cant listen and follow instructions properly

[gloomy vault]

i dont use meta ai

[brisk jolt]

i mean christen you fuck

[gloomy vault]

oops

Oyea the $20 1080 works lmao

[brisk jolt]

1 month later kaboom not anymore

[gloomy vault]

USD$15 deal of the century

[gentle gale]

[e-mail]

[gloomy vault]

meh its just a display card for the minecraft server so

[pure garnet]

the 13700k was a champion like no other

even when actively degrading it was rendering those catgirls and sleeping just fine

(i will just leave the interlinks and not care any more)

[topaz veldt]

Yeah... ASUS 5090 TUF OC is broken

Swapped Gigabyte 5090 Master ice in and it works fine

[pure garnet]

that sucks

all dx 12 again?

[sly moon]

I guess that could work. Is that normally where big complains go?

[edgy laurel]

its where people that think they're going to make a difference go

[timid rover]

even better than gddr5/6

RX Vega 56/64, Radeon VII.

[burnt mortar]

I love HBM2 don't get me wrong

[timid rover]

me too

8GB 2048-bit 💀
16GB 4096-bit 💀

[burnt mortar]

Xd

[pure garnet]

and this makes a difference in games how?

[burnt mortar]

I had 2 Vega Frontiers 1 VII and multiple normal vegas

[timid rover]

I have R9 Nano

[burnt mortar]

Games that eat Rebar as their fine wine love it

[timid rover]

which it has 4GB 4096-bit

HBM (1st generation)

[pure garnet]

so good nobody used it for consumer cards again

[burnt mortar]

Yeah because of the price u Dumbo lol

[timid rover]

due to being more expensive than GDDR VRAMs

[burnt mortar]

AMD manifactured them at a loss

[pure garnet]

the 5090 is $2000

are we really saying if hbm provided a massive gain in performance in games they wouldn’t use it?

[burnt mortar]

It's not just about the performance gains though

HBM is not on your PCB like traditional GDDR

[pure garnet]

if it was more performant for games they’d have kept using it

[burnt mortar]

A VII beats a 2080 in AC Valhalla due to HBM and Rebar

[pure garnet]

and the 2080ti?

[shell void]

hbm is cool, but $2000-3500 for the 5090 was already nuts xd i dont need it being $5000

[pure garnet]

throwing it on there to make the spec sheet prettier

[shell void]

in my testing gaming performance doesnt meaningfully improve with memory oc on the 5090

[devout ridge]

Don’t kid yourself, it wouldn’t be 5k, it’d be 7-8 knowing nvidia

[pure garnet]

leave hbm on the datacenter where it belongs

[shell void]

5090 is power choked because people would lose their mind over a 1000W gpu

[devout ridge]

i wouldn’t mind it with EPS 8pins

4 8 pins wouldn’t be half bad

[pure garnet]

floppa gonna hook that shit up to his breaker directly to oc it

[devout ridge]

dedicated circuit for just the GPU

that only leaves 440w for the rest of the PC on north american breakers

only 1440w of budget on 120v15a

[pure garnet]

i thought you weren't allowed to continuously use all 15a

[devout ridge]

Correct, which is why it’s only 1440w

[timid rover]

i reject 12vhpwr

[pure garnet]

oh that was after the ~12a okay

[devout ridge]

15*120=1800, 1800*80% is 1440w

[shell void]

my circuits are 20A

[devout ridge]

Not the norm in most of north america

nor are 20a rated PSUs

europe is mostly 200v 15a right?

[shell void]

i think it's completely reasonable for people to become comfortable with dedicating a single 240v circuit for a high end desktop

[devout ridge]

albeit slightly different flavors of 200v

[shell void]

that doesnt seem crazy at all to me

[devout ridge]

(230/240/208)

[shell void]

it's a major appliance

[devout ridge]

For most people that’s not what it’s perceived as though

[shell void]

yeah thats fine they can buy a 6060 or whatever

ill take my 1000W 6090 and 52 core NVL cpu

[devout ridge]

I would too, but i just don’t see there being a substantial enough market for cards like that

people already complained 600w was too much

[pure garnet]

wizard 101 will finally run well

[frank zealot]

1500W PSU with dual 12VHPWR might just run that well

[pure garnet]

safety margin is for people afraid of wires

[shell void]

works on my machine

[pure garnet]

shoutout valve for somehow making rtss render in the middle of my screen

[sly moon]

I don’t think I am gonna make a difference I just wanna add to the public response

[devout ridge]

would have to be 120v20a or 240v

[devout ridge]

that’s not the issue, it’s that if there’s a small issue breakers take forever to trip just above their rating

IE a 15a breaker at 15.5a will take forever to trip

[pure garnet]

oh so i must've been going crazy over then

because my room and my sisters room shared a 15a circut

and our 2 pcs + my ac would knock it off pretty consistently

[devout ridge]

i mean it’ll trip quite quick at 16a

and a lot of components will have transients that go a bit above their- mate you had an AC on it

those are easily 1000w+

even the stupid window units

[pure garnet]

still do

[shell void]

20A circuit life

ive had my window ac going full blast with my pc setup cranking over 1000W simultaneously

[frank zealot]

1500a can do a 15a circuit

[devout ridge]

Not with US electrical code, there’s a limit of 80% for continuous loads

[frank zealot]

And no pc will be at 100% that often

[devout ridge]

Doesn’t matter, a PC is considered a continuous load

It’s not about whether or not it would physically work, it’s about whether it abides by US regulations or not

It would absolutely work without issue, but it doesn’t abide by us regulations

[slim pebble]

This is the way!

[low sorrel]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpu-drivers/amd-clarifies-that-rdna-1-and-2-will-still-get-day-zero-game-support-and-driver-updates-discrete-gpus-and-handhelds-will-still-work-with-future-games

That was fast

[slim pebble]

That said I hope the 6090 uses a lot less power for the N2 node

[edgy laurel]

I don't think anything is changing, just clarifying the wording

people took the original report to be new games won't work on their cards

which, if you had a brain, didn't say that at all

[pure garnet]

this announcement is still one of the best marketing campaigns for their competitor though

[shell void]

i think Rubin uses N3P, and it’ll use the same or more power

[pure garnet]

just push the dummy no fixes driver like nvidia does to old cards

[shell void]

power density is going to continue to go up

[devout ridge]

I really hope nvidia just ditches the 12vhpwr connector for the 60 series

it’s just a shitshow that isn’t worth trying to save

[shell void]

counter offer: TWO 12v-2x6 connectors 🔥

[devout ridge]

counter offer: 4 EPS 8 pins

[pure garnet]

why not just a 24 pin

[devout ridge]

cause the 24pin is mostly low voltages

and a single 24 pin is far harder to plug in than 4 8 pins

and the 8pin eps connector already exists, and you aren’t locked into a single connector for every card

[shell void]

i’m happy with 12v-2x6 so far

unplugging three 8 pins was annoying

[devout ridge]

quite a few people aren’t, and for good reason

i’d rather have the hassle of plugging in/out 8pins than melty connectors

[shell void]

as long as my card doesn’t melt i’m chillin

[devout ridge]

that’s the thing, it likely will at some point

[shell void]

i’m using a high quality psu without any adapters or extensions, and i have two working hands wired up to a decent brain so i should be okay

[devout ridge]

Plenty of people with that exact setup have had issues

There is no way to entirely remove the risk

You can certainly reduce it with what you described, but it doesn’t eliminate it

[turbid locust]

melting connector shit was blown way out of proportion

For every Reddit thread you see with a melted connector there’s another 100k people not having an issue

But “Nvidia bad” so yk

[frank cypress]

i mean

it's still kinda a ridiculous issue to have

[arctic bronze]

Hi

[edgy laurel]

Eh, its more nuanced. Is everyones card melting? No. Is it a bad design that wasn't necessary with a certainly increased margin for failure? Hell yes.

[shell void]

yeah i would’ve preferred if the 5090 had two connectors and an 800w limit

the connector does have some margin, if all power wires are making even contact then it can safely sustain 1000W with some airflow in the case

[frank cypress]

give me a 75w only 5090 with no external power cables

[shell void]

skull emoji

[frank cypress]

make it half width too

[devout ridge]

I wish the pcie slot evolved to include power

with how long GPUs are, there’s plenty of room for it

[frank cypress]

6000 blackwell pro sff if you will

[shell void]

600MHz take it or leave it

[frank cypress]

sold

[edgy laurel]

All true, but manufacturing tolerance inconsistencies with everything being smaller has been problematic, or at least more problematic than the old system with big, chunky connectors.

[devout ridge]

give me big ole spade connectors

[frank cypress]

lemme plug my shit straight into the wall

[frank cypress]

yoooooo

[shell void]

that would be based

[devout ridge]

4 slot card to accommodate the C13 connector and onboard PSU

[shell void]

three prong AC connector on the rear io

[devout ridge]

finally we can run the 6090 on a 300w atx psu

along with a 1000w onboard psu

[civic reef]

Is Newegg's 2 year protection plan worth getting

[devout ridge]

does the thing you’re buying have less than a 2 year warranty?

[rigid orchid]

Amd genuinely needs to fire the Radeon marketing team atp

[wraith steeple]

[neat root]

Anyone know a cheaper alternative to the Meshify 2 Solid? Need space for 6 drives

That also doesnt look like shit

[civic reef]

Open box item, no warranty listed anymore on the listing

Sold directly by Newegg so hopefully higher chance of not arriving in 50 different pieces

Forgot to say, shipped by Newegg too

[fervent elm]

Newegg open box motherboards have a History
Id reccommend the plan

[civic reef]

Their description was fairly vague; But I assume it'll be useful if product arrives damaged or not working?

[topaz veldt]

This 5090 TUF OC is driving me nuts - now it is working

[green marsh]

usb-c on video cards is such a weird thing, they should have kept it, but oh well

i mean nvidia did it on 2080 Ti, and AMD did it on 7900 series. but nothing before or after that

[rigid orchid]

I finally got around to trying rtx hdr and it's really cool

[rigid orchid]

Wasn't it for VR mainly?

[edgy laurel]

was the port purely data or would it do DP-Alt mode direct from the card?

[low sorrel]

I believe dp alt

[steel stream]

yeah it was nice for VR

[steel stream]

I think Jigsaw has modified your GPU for Halloween

https://tenor.com/view/saw22-saw-jigsaw-look-gif-5975392338676516100

except it's mental torture this time

[topaz veldt]

I put the stock cooler back on and its working...

[steel stream]

have you tried putting the water block back on?

[brave panther]

Dp alt, data and some usb pd

[topaz veldt]

I had it on this AM, fails

I have remounted the block 3 times now

[steel stream]

damn

[topaz veldt]

each time I put the stock cooler back on it works again

[steel stream]

damn damn damn

[topaz veldt]

I am going to play on it w/ stock cooler for a while

[steel stream]

that's some weird shit

[stable turret]

i hope it can pull more power and offer more performance

[brave panther]

Maybe you need to re goop it

[steel stream]

load bearing goop

[topaz veldt]

I have

[steel stream]

have you taken it to a priest yet

[low sorrel]

I HATE ARCH SO MUCH

[green marsh]

yes, but i mean, USB-C is OK everywhere else, why not keep one USB-C as PD/USB Data/HDMI Alt/DP Alt on every GPU anyway. It's not like it uses ton of space

[pure garnet]

what now

[brave panther]

you can adapt it to dp or hdmi easily

maybe it would be too usefull

[gentle urchin]

Real & True. Slackware or bust

[low sorrel]

my airpods won't connect to my laptop no more

[stable turret]

try gentoo then

[low sorrel]

no

[steel stream]

get a macbook and an iphone and an ipad and embrace the ecosystem

[green marsh]

i have multiple USB-C to HDMI or miniDP cables without use because i don't have mini DP connectors on monitors anymore, Mac mini has HDMI directly and Macbook Pro i use with a hub which does USB-PD 100W, 2.5 gig ethernet, HDMI and USB

[topaz veldt]

OK so its not the water block @steel stream

[low sorrel]

no

[gentle urchin]

Guys, Guys, did you know, YouTube & YT Music have no ads or sponsors on real smart phones? Just use Android for YouTube ReVanced Extended, gg ez.

[low sorrel]

i mean openbox.ca is selling iphone 15s for like 450cad with apple care+

[steel stream]

Nice, but uh what is the problem now lol

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-gif-14141276552966470862

[low sorrel]

damn very descriptive error

[topaz veldt]

This is what this GPU has been doing for the last couple weeks

I swapped stock air cooler 5090 master in and it was fine

Though maybe I need to spend more time playing on it

[steel stream]

toast? kaput? Maybe try an older driver?

[topaz veldt]

Have tried like 4 - 5 prior drivers, reinstalled Windows, forced PCIe to 5.0, 4.0

[steel stream]

damn

[topaz veldt]

Reset CMOS

swapped 9800X3D RAM in just in case this set is borked

I guess I need to put the 5090 Master back in and play on that for a while and see whats up

[steel stream]

yeah

[green marsh]

today i was debating with coworker about what to buy for the company AI testing. I recommended the framework desktop motherboard as a good start (128GB LPDDR5x-8000 for sub-2k euros is good, even tho GPU only gets 96GB)... and then the discussion ended up with me counting how much memory my computers at home have.

Let's just say i was horrified. 128GB (5700G system) + 64GB (3900x system) + 64GB (9950x system) + 64GB (2950x system) + 64GB (Mac Mini) + 128GB (X99 system) + 48GB (second X99 system) only for the main computers :D. 0.5TB right there :D. Plus the "little systems" with 4-16GB RAM 😄

[steel stream]

i think you need some more

[pure garnet]

what could a 5700g possibly need that much memory for

[green marsh]

it's the server with VMs

it's not like i bought that RAM for that system, it was just something i had 😄

bought then in May 2020 for 650 euros total (2 kits of 2x32GB DDR4-3600)

i mean i have nothing on @topaz veldt's collection of memories 😄

[young void]

Your fans set to any specific %/curve

Something is hanging the question of what or why myte take some tooling with

[green marsh]

his pictures 😄

[young void]

Somewhere a function for get gpu takes to long or is improperly written

To not account for x bool or is just failing

Causing the hang

Still curious non the less

[green marsh]

Thank's Aliexpress, it is sitting 4 days at airport, really important news

really weird choice of picture orientation in the listing

[orchid fog]

Hiya! Im.looking for a case recommendation. So many options so I have trouble deciding.

Constraints:

• 360mm AIO support
• ATX mobo
• 140mm PSU Short ATX
  Extra wishes:
• no needed extra fans, i have plenty of my own
• relatively compact for an ATX build
• Ample airflow for the GPU

I have checked out the o11d mini v2 and its sadly not compatible with my mobo.
Ive seen the Thermaltake View 380 TG which is okay.

But i am also looking for options that arent fish-tank. Like the not yet released Deepcool CH660

[green marsh]

Also new case design dropped on Ali

[green marsh]

360mm aio excludes the need for short PSU

[brave panther]

wtf

[green marsh]

also not sure what you consider compact. Meshify 3 can have 360mm front radiator, depends on your definition of compact

[green marsh]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009336712827.html

[civic reef]

My build looks much cleaner with the SATA SSD in the back and case cables rerouted

[green marsh]

it's pretty much a sandwich case, just cut in half and GPU out in open 😄

[civic reef]

I mean.. Better temps probably lmao

[brave panther]

yes but gpu is flopping around

[civic reef]

GPU out in the open, and for the inside of the case, one less heat producer

[civic reef]

It's not
There's a slot

[green marsh]

Ali has the ASRock 2011-3 server board 😄

still feels weird even after all these years

SODIMM with that 2011-3 socket

[brave panther]

thats asrock rack board layout

[green marsh]

that is the asrock rack board

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009915409597.html

someone probably found some in storage 😄

[brave panther]

no space for asrock logo

[green marsh]

at least they don't do the 20x SATA connector on PCIe x1 card anymore

(not joking about 20x SATA on x1)

[frank zealot]

@edgy laurel @shell void
I want 5 of these:

[wise bear]

Microshaft wtf do you mean "free up some drive space"

[fervent elm]

Grounded scissors?

Wait
Full plug?

[frank zealot]

that plug isn't grounded

[fervent elm]

True

[green marsh]

dude

[orchid fog]

Oh, i know, im just mentioning that it has to at least have support for 140. But yeah i get it

[orchid fog]

I like the meshify 3 a lot, it just bums me that the 360 cant go on top and i dont wanna be feeding hot air to my GPU

[green marsh]

but if you want radiator on top, then that means you need to add 3cm for radiator, another 25mm for the fans, plus the whole motherboard and PSU height... and you can't go under 30cm front to back due GPU lengths

so you end up with what one would consider "big case"

[topaz veldt]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/558040/rtx-5090-crashing-all-games-driver-issue-or-fault/

[wraith steeple]

The absolute state of tech

[green marsh]

once upon a time we had really small ATX cases, but obviously you would need more

[edgy laurel]

I had that case! My first custom and "new" case

I cut a hole in the front panel

[frank zealot]

inverted matx... huh

[green marsh]

that is full atx

[green marsh]

maybe Jonsbo D41 Mesh ?

[green marsh]

Dimension: 205mm (W) * 392mm(H) *440mm(D) (Vol: 35.4L)

[frank zealot]

I question that 360 aio

can the tubes bend that tightly

[green marsh]

that second is 240mm, but you get the point

one with 360

[frank zealot]

this bend I don't like

[green marsh]

then have the pipes towards back

without the rear fan

[frank zealot]

but you get why I don't like that bend, right

[green marsh]

it's an AIO, it is a disposable item 😄

[orchid fog]

hey that looks great. ill check it out. thanks.

and yes choosing the word compact was my bad, im just saying i dont want a battle ship on my PC like the h9 flow and such

[zenith fog]

[green marsh]

"i know what i got, no lowballing offers"

[low sorrel]

lets go only wrong person

[zenith fog]

Is there 1500 hidden in the case somewhere?

[zenith fog]

Exactly

[green marsh]

my favorite is still this sadness

he has a fullcover for it, but he could have at least reassembled the original VRM heatsink

also Maximus IX Extreme... with G4560

[low sorrel]

only took 35 minutes to fix

[green marsh]

nevermind, it comes with the fullcover only

[brave panther]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-disappointed-disgusting-disgusted-looking-gif-6561690286467128067

[green marsh]

https://pc.bazos.sk/inzerat/184750307/maximus-ix-extreme.php

also just noticed the RAM in the board

[brave panther]

atleast price is ok

[green marsh]

wish i had money and reason to spend on 3090's for AI... there is one for 499 euros (PNY) and one for 550 euros (ASUS TUF)

also people posting photos of computer screens deserve a special place in hell

[brave panther]

only reason to ever do this is bios

[untold axle]

The band night is over finally

My drum sticks beoke

[green marsh]

most boards can save screenshots of BIOS screens to FAT32 formatted USB sticks

[brave panther]

interesting, i mostly take photos of mac addreses for my use only

[green marsh]

F12 on Asrock and ASUS, not sure about the rest

[brave panther]

what about hp shittasttic bios

[green marsh]

probably not

but then do you need to use BIOS for MAC Address ? Why not do it when booted to OS or live Linux distro ?

[edgy laurel]

You can see the hole i cut in the front panel lol

[green marsh]

you can partially see the dual fan hole at top

[brave panther]

i use sccm to deploy windows over pxe

with everything automated

[green marsh]

(and yes, i paid someone to change the front power button and cut the top holes out and paint inside back then a decade and half ago)

[edgy laurel]

certainly had a concept for a theme and cable management (well the best you could do in a case like that)

I had none of those things, my first custom PC in non-handmedown case

[green marsh]

and before someone says something about the GPU being in wrong slot - while yes, it was in a higher up slot, it is only x8 instead of x16, so not much harm done

[edgy laurel]

check the little fan i stuck on the chipset

[green marsh]

had one on my Socket A board

[low sorrel]

@pure garnet why tf does my framework 13 only get 2 hours battery life in arch vs like 10 in windows btw

[edgy laurel]

yeah but it came that way, didn't rip it off an old GPU and double sided tape it to the heatsink 😆

[stable turret]

you should prob optimize it yourself

[edgy laurel]

ahh, my swans in all their glory

[stable turret]

only skill issue exists in the linux realm

[edgy laurel]

lol @steel stream the wallpaper..

[pure garnet]

did you install tlp or power-profiles-daemon

[stable turret]

you can compile the kernel yourself to debloat the system and gives you a better battery life as well

i personally recommend compile everything yourself on linux, this way you can keep only the features you need and debloat the system

[low sorrel]

ppd

[pure garnet]

the 30mb of uneeded device drivers is not using hours of power life

wtf are we yapping

[green marsh]

Aliexpress selling really weird stuff

[pure garnet]

i built a kernel for alpine with every single driver enabled on accident and the disk size was stupid but it worked fine

[stable turret]

and more imporantly, you need to limit how much power your hardware is drawing

[edgy laurel]

this is like the adult equivalent of a car bed

[low sorrel]

also im using arch

[stable turret]

put on some performance limiter, and profiles for lowering the voltage

arch lol sucks

[low sorrel]

no shit

[stable turret]

i use gentoo btw and arch really doesn't offer much customization

[edgy laurel]

speaking of holy shit @topaz veldt

[stable turret]

i tried gento and LFS (linux from scratch) and both offer much better customization

arch is only good for beginners however once you get more advanced, i dont really recommend it

if your using arch, why not just use windows 11

[low sorrel]

whatever man

[pure garnet]

dudes just typing to type

[edgy laurel]

"arch is only good for beginners" "just use windows 11"

this kid in insane

[stable turret]

says someone who probably never used gentoo and lfs a single day in his life

[edgy laurel]

detached from reality

[pure garnet]

im inclined to blame your macos theme but try uninstall ppd and moving to tlp

configuring use flags to save disc space is not that interesting

[green marsh]

i can image a prefab home arriving in a big amazon cardboard box (from Aliexpress) 😄

[stable turret]

i dont usually talk about distro supremacy anymore however arch is made with simplicity in mind and you dont need to compile your kernel and everything yourself

[pure garnet]

both of these distros he’s trying to flex are both extremely documented and simple to setup if you can read

[stable turret]

however personally i believe its quite bloated and fosters bad habits

[low sorrel]

huh

[stable turret]

exactly, gentoo has almost everything well documented

[low sorrel]

lolll

[edgy laurel]

I simply don't take people seriously that push complexity and how from scratch something is as a benefit. These people don't live on the same plane of existence as normal humans.

[stable turret]

and teaches beginners who used to daily drive arch about anything they need to know

[low sorrel]

@stable turret so why were you on windows 11 when you were flexing your 5800x?

[shell void]

arch is the distro that noobs should learn to use if they want to daily linux

[pure garnet]

the delta fans only work on windows 11

[green marsh]

eh ?

[stable turret]

from a beginner point of view, i used to be on the same boat as you, daily driving arch linux

[shell void]

trying to use mint or ubuntu or debian like windows is just not as good of an idea

[pure garnet]

i would listen to them then

[stable turret]

everything works and there isn't much to tinker around for everything to setup properly

[edgy laurel]

i think the designer of that has lost the plot

[stable turret]

i used arch for a few years and eventually came to the realization, if the whole purpose of me using linux is for customization

why am i still using arch>?

and then i joined the gentoo community

[pure garnet]

to quote the goat michael#sexy

if i don’t have a horrible time using niche software on my computer then i feel inferior

[low sorrel]

ill compeletely nuke my arch install and restart eventually

[untold axle]

Bro my cousin 😭

Attention span goes down

He watching shorts and roblox 😭

[low sorrel]

24 w of powerdraw with just discord open and chrome is high af right?

[stable turret]

my personal belief is, every linux distros work, however some of them are just pointless

[low sorrel]

considering i have a 55 w battery

[pure garnet]

for a laptop yeah

should be like 6w max

[stable turret]

if you want the level of simplicity and user friendly, why not just use windows 11? arch is a beginner distro wannabe and sucks at it compared to the others

and it doesnt offer much customization down the line as well compared to its cousin, gentoo

[pure garnet]

brother none of us care that you compiled your copy of firefox

it doesn't make you seem cooler at all

[stable turret]

i have lots friends using void, nixos however personally i haven't used them significantly thats why i can't recommend them

[low sorrel]

we can all do it

[stable turret]

however you can try them out as well

[low sorrel]

we just do not care

[pure garnet]

arch is bad because it didn't take 20 hours of compiling to have the system work just as fine

[stable turret]

it doesn't really take any skills to compile anything or set any compile flags

even beginners can do it

[edgy laurel]

mars

[pure garnet]

im aware since you keep writing

[stable turret]

compiling everything for yourself is just a GOOD practice

[low sorrel]

you know what this sounds like

[pure garnet]

not much skill is going on in that head

[stable turret]

and arch doedsn't help you with the practice

[low sorrel]

when arch people tell people to switch to linux

[stable turret]

thats why i dont recommend arch

[pure garnet]

fr

[stable turret]

and if your using arch (a very simple to use linux distro and wannabe user-friendly), why not just use windows 11 (the literally best desktop operating system) in the world

[low sorrel]

damn bro just keeps typing

[stable turret]

it really serves no point using arch linux with 2 hours of batterylife (since you suck at linux) and not use windows 11

[edgy laurel]

ragebait pro

[stable turret]

defeats any purpose of driving linux

nowadays i still use every sorts of linux distros daily personally

[low sorrel]

im 99% sure it's because of this very jank mac os theme that i installed on it

[pure garnet]

just vomit for the love of the game

[stable turret]

however all of them are only installed on my servers

i stopped sucking for linux a long time ago

[low sorrel]

you want some dressing for these word salads you keep throwing out?

[stable turret]

at least for my desktops

[pure garnet]

you see back in my day we all compiled our kernels with specific build options!!!!!! these kids nowadays and their perfectly functional prebuilt kernels!!!!!!!

it's not 1995 anymore i can spare the 30mb of spare drivers on my esp that it won't load

[low sorrel]

back in my day i had to add every transistor onto my cpu

[stable turret]

most of them things (not everything) on linux are open-source. its not matter of the theme, but you haven't even customized it yourself (by changing the source code) and recompile it

[low sorrel]

by hand

[pure garnet]

back in my day the computers took up ROOMS

[grizzled lily]

guys monotech 850 W century or Asrock 850W :https://www.newegg.com/asrock-atx3-1-pcie5-1-850-w-80-plus-gold-certified-power-supply-white-sl-850w/p/N82E16817955013?Item=N82E16817955013&cm_sp=Homepage_SS-_-P2_17-955-013-_-10312025

[stable turret]

you need to have some level of software programming skills to master linux, really

[pure garnet]

check the spl tier list

[low sorrel]

ok buddy

[pure garnet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?gid=1973454078#gid=1973454078

[low sorrel]

i installed this on a ferry cuz i was bored i do not care

[grizzled lily]

its a B + compared to monotech as A-

[pallid marsh]

Damn all the kids using chrome os needs programming skills?

[pure garnet]

so get the montech

[low sorrel]

yeah

[stable turret]

i have changed the source code of many linux programs (to this day that i still use) and compiled them to fit my need, and i believe this is the proper way to use linux

[low sorrel]

ok did you commit any of your fixes?

[stable turret]

the same philosophy applies to macos, not everything to use very polished operating systems need to learn programming

[grizzled lily]

plus its 10 dollar cheaper

[pure garnet]

he changed the readme probably

10 dollars is nothing bro

get the a tier unit

[stable turret]

just some of them, since they are not optimized for everything but tailor designed for my own need

[grizzled lily]

what do you look for in power supply other and wattage and ratings

[low sorrel]

ok prove it

[stable turret]

sometimes i need more features for my particular use cases

i dont need to prove anything lol

[low sorrel]

yeah huh keep talking buddy

[pure garnet]

fan type i guess

[stable turret]

although i can throw out my github page but i d rather not

[low sorrel]

uh huh

[pure garnet]

just post it

[stable turret]

lol

[merry stirrup]

people have 1.8 and 1.6v daily’s, i’ve put more than that into my own sticks. make sure cpu vddq is manually set

[pure garnet]

you've talked all this game

[stable turret]

i can provide a screenshot just in case

however you would want more until i post my github profile

which shows my person info, my univeristy

and my linkedin page

so id rather not dox myself here

[merry stirrup]

been running this whole time

[stable turret]

however if you really wanna debug or use some helps with your archlinux

[young void]

Seems bf6 has all sorts of bugs that are gpu dependent reading through some others posts

[stable turret]

LTT here is not the best place

most people here dont have the necessary knowledge to answer your question

[low sorrel]

ok buddy

[stable turret]

i recommend gentoo and arch discord servers for you and they offer quite lower barrier of entry

[low sorrel]

why would i go to the gentoo discord to fix an arch problem???

[stable turret]

all linux distros are not that much of a difference in general

[low sorrel]

also arch forums

[stable turret]

once you get to my level, you would understand

[pure garnet]

@merry stirrup my d2d oc still dies in sleep mode

[stable turret]

once your more advanced, you can start using IRC to join more communities

[pure garnet]

can you check yours at some point

[edgy laurel]

lol @merry stirrup https://linustechtips.com/topic/1625804-i-asked-chatgpt-to-give-me-ram-timings/

[pure garnet]

p95 passes fine, sleep, resume, p95 fails

[merry stirrup]

i didn’t know this was a possibility

[stable turret]

also time to go, to grab my supper

[pure garnet]

thank god

[stable turret]

already 3:22 AM now in mainland china

[merry stirrup]

this is 4ghz d2d .95 vnnaon

[pure garnet]

yeah im back to 30 at auto

[merry stirrup]

okay i slept im waking up and going to run yc again

was at over 290 iterations

[pure garnet]

it failed prime large instantly for me

maybe my cpu just sucks mega

[merry stirrup]

you may be on to something

[pure garnet]

did yours crash

[merry stirrup]

my pc froze before i could open ycruncher

[pure garnet]

okay so it’s not just me

[low sorrel]

nice once

[young void]

DoooOoom

[pure garnet]

like on reboot and stuff it’s stable

but on sleep resume? no chance

[merry stirrup]

i never sleep anyways i don’t really know if im going to care about this

let me see when it stops doing it

it might be related to the voltage more than the clock

[pure garnet]

for me it did it even at 0.85v

[merry stirrup]

i was getting occasional cold boot issues at 0.87 so

[low sorrel]

hey kyoko how many packages do you have

[pure garnet]

like 800ish iirc

[merry stirrup]

okay trying 34/36

[pure garnet]

trying 32/32 on auto

maybe the higher sa is fine for it

[merry stirrup]

ultimate d2d test is just going to sleep this is incredible

[low sorrel]

so that mac os theme is like 700 packages by itself

considering the only thing i've changed since then was adding spotify and i was like at 300 something before that

and now im at 1000

[pure garnet]

so far it's lived longer

[teal orbit]

get those numbers up

[pure garnet]

BRO

[low sorrel]

what

[pure garnet]

you having issues makes me less sad about mine though

[pure garnet]

with sleep and high d2d

so it’s some quirk instead of just my chip being bad

[low sorrel]

do i just nuke my entire install or what

[pure garnet]

i would reinstall and archinstall yeah

womp womp

[merry stirrup]

okay time to wake up

froze again

yeah i’m going to be real idk if i sleep enough for -400mhz+ to be worth it

[pure garnet]

i should make a post on ocn about it

maybe there’s a secondary voltage that we don’t set?

[merry stirrup]

maybe. it seems that this freeze also causes the cold boot bug for me

i’m thinking it’s voltage related if it didn’t change w/clock

[pure garnet]

it stops at 30d2d for me

so that's why i've been dailying that

because i use sleep mode on the regular

[merry stirrup]

going down to 32/34 and seeing

[pure garnet]

@topaz veldt do you use sleep on your 285k pc at all?

[low sorrel]

isn't kinda like how some am4 motherboards can't go past 3600 without sleep issues

[merry stirrup]

i don’t think so i think this is more of a cpu sided problem

[pure garnet]

dropping d2d is always what fixes it for me

[merry stirrup]

the board is definitely not the problem (unless we figure out its ocf only) but idk

[pure garnet]

it happened on master too

[low sorrel]

anyways back on windows and im using a whole 5ws

[pallid marsh]

My old 5600x and x570 ran at 3800 cl16 but my new 5700x3d didn't like that