tech-chat-2

[wise bear]

no no no no no no

[low sorrel]

coopa

kyoko

[merry stirrup]

😭 💀

shes on the board bro

[pure garnet]

you can buy it stateside too

https://www.newegg.com/asus-motherboards-intel/p/1JW-000C-019W5

[merry stirrup]

crazy

[pure garnet]

oh wait that was marketpalce

[steel stream]

holy gooner bro

[merry stirrup]

yeah kinda nuts

[pure garnet]

i'll take 3

[merry stirrup]

culture shock by anime on motherboard

[pure garnet]

rog chan is fire

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hand-back-away-dog-leave-disgusted-gif-15798798190133447846

[merry stirrup]

that + that one colorful card+ the anime corsair ram

[wise bear]

no i hate it

[pure garnet]

WAIT SHES IN THE BIOS

[merry stirrup]

WHATT??

[merry stirrup]

LOOL

i need gooner bios bro this isnt fair

[pure garnet]

they got her superimposed in the background like a random sleep paralysis demon

[merry stirrup]

how do i add this to my ocf

why is there no oc-chan

bro.

[steel stream]

me when I want to do mem OC but end up gooning instead

[merry stirrup]

ok the more i look at it the more its just cool

[pure garnet]

i'd buy the apex version of that shit in a heartbeat

[merry stirrup]

this board has a bite taken out of it though

you tell me why idk

[pure garnet]

which way

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-licks-slime-gif-7826310196799265789

[pure garnet]

this goes hard

[merry stirrup]

the more i see them the more i just begin to fw it

damn they put fake pretty ladies on this shit? fire

[merry stirrup]

i like red it looks cool

[pure garnet]

bro folded after like 5 pictures

[merry stirrup]

swaying my hobby from oc to anime boards

[steel stream]

GC2, Goon Chat 2

[merry stirrup]

this looks so wrong

i meant id put the board in my computer

there was no ayo pause moment so i think im somehow fine

[pure garnet]

the oled screen goes all black and you just see the shame in the reflection

[merry stirrup]

LOOOL

[merry stirrup]

😭

[wise bear]

lmaoooo

[merry stirrup]

post goon clarity

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-ren-stimpy-wake-up-day-ruined-gif-22521235

[merry stirrup]

one - metallica

[steel stream]

there's a version of that gif that fades to black but i couldn't find it

[merry stirrup]

i know this works but it doesnt

they only want 30$ for that board btw

i might just import all the old hardware i want i think it would end up cheaper as long as i did it all at once

[merry stirrup]

Hope this doesnt get seized 🙏

[teal orbit]

NGL I am not a big fan of the miku aqua color

[steel stream]

la cocaina?

cocaine

[whole lake]

so i opened the VIA app of my lemokey, and assigned the Y in layer 1 to the <|> key...
fn + y ➡️ <
fn + y + ALT GR➡️ |
fn + y + SHIFT ➡️ >

problemo solvedo 💯 👌

[merry stirrup]

my super buy haul

[steel stream]

oh that's not warshipped

[merry stirrup]

its all gooner boards

[teal orbit]

solvedo

[merry stirrup]

LOL

[whole lake]

i gotta rhyme it

[merry stirrup]

exactly that thank you

[steel stream]

TIL Half Mast by Empire of the sun is a thing

[teal orbit]

problemo solucionado

idk if that's right or not

[wise bear]

yeah its a good song

[teal orbit]

I think it rhymes

[merry stirrup]

how is it still this bad

[steel stream]

The Spins is way better

[teal orbit]

no lowballs

[steel stream]

I know what I got

[wise bear]

walking on a dream is one of my favorites because it gives me okgo vibes

[teal orbit]

Did they drop it into a crucible is that what that says

[merry stirrup]

basically

[teal orbit]

Lmfao

[merry stirrup]

me too bro

[teal orbit]

inter

[wise bear]

mutton steamed buns

[teal orbit]

lmfao

[steel stream]

I use inter i9 11900KF

[merry stirrup]

google translate is a treasure ai couldnt replace

[wise bear]

"treasures"

[teal orbit]

I'd like to buy a treasure from the fish pond owner

[merry stirrup]

pond pond

oh ok

STRIP

[wise bear]

dinner first, damn

[merry stirrup]

"there is only one"

5600 12gb also a crazy sample

hes honest about them being binning rejects lol

@pure garnet

[pure garnet]

hwbot would be jealous

[merry stirrup]

i would listen to the sub rules and actually take a photo of my rig if i had those

[pallid marsh]

Sold

[merry stirrup]

anime lady in the bios might just be the pinnacle of computing

[wise bear]

I want a cat themed build

that'd be better than anime girls

[merry stirrup]

you can have cat girl but not just cat dont be fooled

[wise bear]

no I want just cat

[merry stirrup]

how about this cool guy

[wise bear]

do I look like a closet christian?

[merry stirrup]

no, raging

[pallid marsh]

While I fiddle in the bios I can fid... Rage at the anime girl for having it crash

[merry stirrup]

LOL

[wise bear]

HANDS REMAIN ON THE WHEEL

[merry stirrup]

im having too much fun at the fact theres anime bitches on computers

[edgy laurel]

[pure garnet]

floppa selling his ocf for a z890-h roji

[pallid marsh]

But the radio station is playing ads now

[merry stirrup]

i must.

also pretty good

this is getting pretyt overpriced

[spiral quarry]

ah you mean a pc for the cat

[wise bear]

no

pc but cat themed

[spiral quarry]

Peyton out here tempting me with ideas

[arctic bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/pills-drugs-medicine-blue-pill-red-pill-gif-12463860

[wise bear]

yessssss

meowtx

[merry stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01IQo7pYugQ

[pale beacon]

In which game ? 😁

[indigo walrus]

Wait, but what if... what if we take both pills? Then what happens, Morphius?

[merry stirrup]

you become both gay and straight

but not bi

[arctic bronze]

you split into a good and bad version of you

[merry stirrup]

(thats like the underlying point of the movie right)

[arctic bronze]

each taking the path that the pill was based on

[merry stirrup]

yo hold on floppa duplication glitch

unpatched 2025

[arctic bronze]

lol

[merry stirrup]

there are millions of us

[topaz veldt]

The game called my garage

[pale beacon]

Hmm S58 with 1212HP ?

[merry stirrup]

@pure garnet another am5 chip dead

in our circles

[merry stirrup]

non x3d non new board

killed a 7600x

[pallid marsh]

What model of asrock board?

[merry stirrup]

not asrock

both recent chips have been msi

[pallid marsh]

Oh my

[merry stirrup]

@pure garnet's 7800x3d (and 9800x3d) on x870e tomahawk or whatever
my friends 7600x on msi b650pro -p or whatever

b650m-a wifi i think

[pallid marsh]

Was it on the latest bios?

[merry stirrup]

fuck if i know

that shouldnt matter its not X3D

i think it was updated at least once in its life

[pallid marsh]

My buddy has one with a 7800x3d I built him

[merry stirrup]

i think the boards are all overvolting the soc

my boy even has the hump starting to develop on his chip

[pale beacon]

1200fps 0,1% low 🤯

[pure garnet]

my 9800x3d didn't die but i just returned it to avoid issues

[merry stirrup]

wasnt it beginning to show the same signs

which is why you returned it

[pure garnet]

it was doing the sleep thing but that also is probably just the board

im like 90% sure the board killed the other chip though

because it wasn't even show a desktop stable earlier

[merry stirrup]

idk if it was doing that before on the 7800x3d then died fully i feel like its somewhat valid to consider it a symptom

[pure garnet]

i put the cables on the psu already

[merry stirrup]

hes doing everything he can before it shows up

[pure garnet]

just bored

[merry stirrup]

so real

[pure garnet]

i can't game so i'll probably just do most of my work for the week

then when i wake up tomorrow i'll pull apart other pc if ocf is out for delivery

if it's not then i'll leave it together

[pale beacon]

Skill issue isn't avoidable 🫣

[topaz veldt]

Nope

[pale beacon]

What else

[topaz veldt]

Just an m50

[pure garnet]

was ist das auf englisch

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/maybeeeee-try-not-to-laugh-gif-12778510

[pale beacon]

Fähigkeitsprobleme sind nicht vermeidbar 🫣

[fringe vigil]

its g

[pale beacon]

Looks like it makes a lot of bra bra bra ratatata and sututututu sounds

[fringe vigil]

Pretty pink

[pale beacon]

Why "an" ?

[topaz veldt]

huh?

In english we say "an M50" or "an apple"

[topaz veldt]

Its actually this

[pale beacon]

I thought only before a e o u i

[topaz veldt]

Thats for spelling

but in grammer you would generally not say "a em fifty"

[pale beacon]

Ah that's why

[topaz veldt]

Yeah I messaged you btw

[pale beacon]

But y is an exception ?

[frank zealot]

Sort of.

A Unicorn
An Umbrella
A Meat Cleaver
An M50

[pale beacon]

A year

[topaz veldt]

check your DM

[pale beacon]

Y = why. In polish y is vowel

[frank zealot]

In English y is sometimes a vowel

But not always

[topaz veldt]

its a vowel in english sometimes also

[pale beacon]

Yeah, that sometimes exceptions are wild

One letter can be spoken differently

[frank zealot]

Sky - vowel
Yank - consonant

[topaz veldt]

or like... byksky

bykski

[topaz veldt]

I want a new 3D printer

[fringe vigil]

can yoiu make a 3d print of this snail char

[topaz veldt]

If you have a model

@fringe vigil did you see my snail incorporation in my white build

[pale beacon]

By buy bai b-I

[pale beacon]

Where is the a in sky it should be ski

[wise bear]

this is why i got a new ap

thats over wifi

[fringe vigil]

yh obvs you showed me that first lol

[pallid marsh]

My ISP is still giving me free speed for the past 20 days now we pay for 250 and are getting 800

[wise bear]

holy shit this is with MLO on

[frank zealot]

Daaaaaamn

[topaz veldt]

wtf

from what device???

[wise bear]

tplink be9300

[topaz veldt]

what client

[pallid marsh]

Can you get that full speed from steam?

[wise bear]

asus zephyrus g14

[topaz veldt]

I will have to test my MBP tonight to U7 Wall Pro

[wise bear]

probably with a less-compressed game

[merry stirrup]

thats great i understand the point of the new ap i just dont understand the ppoint of the speeds over wifi

i dont even have antennas on my computer

[pure garnet]

you got two of them and use neither?

gluttonous beast

[merry stirrup]

i dont use wan typically

when i use bluetooth im close enough to my computer that it doesnt matter if i do or not

[pure garnet]

i put it on just for bluetooth

[merry stirrup]

i hope you open your box and find none

[pure garnet]

you WILL be sending me one

[merry stirrup]

ooh this retest ended better, more like i remembered

[pale beacon]

Hotspot at work

[pure garnet]

bro wtf is that speedtest

[pale beacon]

Literally the name of the app

[pure garnet]

yeah but why is it 90s ricer edition

[pale beacon]

What? What's that

Ah you mean gauge

Like in the fast&furious

I'm using this app since I remember

10, maybe 15 years

[merry stirrup]

helping bro tune his micron d5

[pale beacon]

Lol, just updated it

[merry stirrup]

it’s so ass

it either doesn’t boot 8/8 scls or doesn’t boot 8/12 rrds at 6000

both of which are extremely bad

[pure garnet]

dude has ads in the speedtest

[pure garnet]

are there any obvious hynix subtimings i should know

[whole lake]

so simply i opened the VIA for lemokey, and assigned the Y in layer 1 to the <>| key...
fn + y ➡️ <
fn + y + ALT GR ➡️ |
fn + y + SHIFT ➡️ >

problemo solved 💯 👌

[merry stirrup]

appropriate trfc value

[pure garnet]

672 inshallah

it's like 170ns which is close enough to 160 for me

[whole lake]

did some1 say 6 7 ?

https://tenor.com/view/scp-067-67-6-7-six-seven-sixty-seven-gif-13940852437921483111

[merry stirrup]

sounds good to me

[pure garnet]

well it is at 8000

[merry stirrup]

i run 580 which is like 119ns

at 9133

[pure garnet]

okay i got the math problem

[pure garnet]

i gotta run 780

well, "gotta" it's a safe value for my ic

[topaz veldt]

I run like.... 700 something

9000, dunno what the ns is

[merry stirrup]

tck/ghz i think or other way around

155.5ns

[pure garnet]

ns = cycles*(2000/freq)

[merry stirrup]

no that’s long and slow

timing / ghz value

[topaz veldt]

also which is trfc in asrock tool its either trfc2 or trfcsb or something

[merry stirrup]

trfc2

[topaz veldt]

where did trfc1 go

[pure garnet]

automate it broski

[merry stirrup]

i just keep whatever delta there is between the two

pb is usually lower cause it’s just half the dimm, so it’s like -60 of set

[merry stirrup]

changed i forgot why

[pure garnet]

my favorite calculator

[merry stirrup]

calculator

aka my brain

but still mines more efficient erer

(took it from some guy who called me an idiot and stupid for using the other one)

but like unironically

[merry stirrup]

i think it’s gone cause of the introduction of trfcpb

which is trfc1

me thinks?

[topaz veldt]

i dunno

its all wtf

[pure garnet]

yeah but now when i change speed i can just change 2 numbers

actually i changed it so it's the other way around

now i just punch in speed and desired ns and it vomits out trfc

[merry stirrup]

incrddible

[pure garnet]

now im ready for the sauce

[merry stirrup]

LOL

[pure garnet]

hey if they advertise it

that mean it can do it right

honestly surprised asus hasn't written some ai thing to auto tune ram yet

[merry stirrup]

kinda w/ dimm fit

[arctic bronze]

[rich idol]

any go-to cpu stress tests?

[pure garnet]

for what?

[rich idol]

temps

[pure garnet]

ycruncher vt3 for realistic, prime95 small ffts for worse case scenario

[rich idol]

i know i can use MSI afterburner to see temps, but i don't know of any good software to put the CPU under load

[pure garnet]

cinebench r23 for 10 minutes is also a realistic rendering test

easiest one to setup vs ycruncher

[merry stirrup]

ycruncher is my goat

do you want the vt3 script?

[pure garnet]

sure

[rich idol]

I assume "23" means the year? maxon seems to only distribute the 2024 version now, unless they have some archive of old download i'm not aware of

[pure garnet]

just search cinebench in the windows store

https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pgzkjc81q7j?hl=en-US&gl=US

they moved to here

[rich idol]

gotcha

[merry stirrup]

okie hollon

append this to the end of a ycruncher shortcut

id give you the shortcut but its version dependant

[merry stirrup]

pause:1 stress -TL:0 VT3

[merry stirrup]

im sure you could make it smarter and just have it look for any version of ycruncher and put that on the end of it but im lazy so diy

[topaz veldt]

this is why god made environmental paths

@merry stirrup I learned something...

[merry stirrup]

hm?

[topaz veldt]

Oh nm, they were wrong

Someone told me the 2X24GB Gskill 6000 CL26 was EOL

Does minecraft work on a Nintendo Switch 2?

[indigo walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/1l69qac/if_anyone_needs_to_know_minecraft_on_the_switch_2/

[rich idol]

While i can't confirm, i don't see why it shouldn't

[topaz veldt]

are there any good Pokemon games for Switch/2?

[indigo walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Switch/comments/1ltwfuo/just_got_a_nintendo_switch_2_which_pokemon_game/

[indigo walrus]

I'd share my favorites, but I don't (and will never voluntarily) own a Nintendo-branded nVidia Tablet so long as Nintendo's draconian Operating System / software restrictions are in place, so I can't speak to the Pokemon games on Switch 1/2.

[topaz veldt]

lol ooook

[arctic bronze]

Random

[topaz veldt]

yeah thats on the list

buying this for my kids

[arctic bronze]

Minecraft on the switch 😔

I can feel the hand cramps coming

Reminds me of the ds version of Minecraft

[topaz veldt]

lil bro plays on PC w/ controller

[arctic bronze]

My hands cramp using a controller

[pale beacon]

My son's Switch is 6 years old. But since he has a PC (few months) plays less and less

[pure garnet]

new za is well received

[topaz veldt]

i dunno what that is

[pure garnet]

pokemon legends za

[arctic bronze]

I can only play on pc now, controller feels too bad

[pure garnet]

pokemon scarlet violet also run at 60fps on switch 2

[pale beacon]

For few arcade games controller is not that bad

[topaz veldt]

he plays on PC but on controller

[toxic grotto]

IMO, nah, the last good Pokémon games were Ds/3ds era. I’ve heard arceus is good but the graphics and gameplay hitches really turn me off

[devout ridge]

i use my switch for mobile gaming when i go on trips

otherwise it pretty much just collects dust

[toxic grotto]

Last game I played on switch was metroid dread and that was 2 years ago or more :p

[devout ridge]

i mostly play pokemon arceus, mario kart, and stardew on my switch when i do use it

i have a pretty limited library on it

[topaz veldt]

damn memory prices are up

[toxic grotto]

I wish arceus looked better. If it didn’t look like someone put ocarina of time in a toaster I probably would’ve liked it

Mario kart 8 deluxe goated tho

[pale beacon]

KingBank 48GB 8400C38 went from 152€ up to 350€ 💀

[topaz veldt]

I wonder what my fast DIMMs are now

honestly still not ba

bad

[pale beacon]

Are now, what?

Worth

[topaz veldt]

I have 9000 CL42 2x24GB I think I paid $399 and they're $379

[pale beacon]

How come

[hoary hatch]

I enjoyed sword/shield
I've heard mixed things about the new release

Sword/shield was great but sadge no national Pokedex so my life is ruined

[pale beacon]

I paid 99€ for 7200c34, they are now 245€

[hoary hatch]

Okay people in that reddit thread had some valid Sword/Shield complaints

I wouldn't say it's a bad game but yeah I didn't feel particularly challenged

Maybe I enjoyed it so much cause it was my first pokemon game in 10 years 🤷

[toxic grotto]

Sword/shield felt half finished and kinda phoned in. And then we knew why when they released the DLCs. The DLCs were longer than the main game :p

[hoary hatch]

Damn I should get a switch 2

[hoary hatch]

There was DLC?

[arctic bronze]

Get a gt210

[toxic grotto]

Especially coming off the heels of USUM which had so much in them and increased difficulty, SWSH just felt like nothingburgers

[hoary hatch]

It certainly felt like "ah we need to learn how to publish a game on the new platform"

[hoary hatch]

I skipped 3DS generation entirely so my pokemon journey was Diamond/Pearl/Platinum -> Shield

[toxic grotto]

Well they said everything they cut was to make time for redoing the models and animations for the switch, but then they re-used all the models and animations from the 3ds, and put most of their work into new stuff for the dlcs unfortunately

[toxic grotto]

Ahh you missed the best ones IMO, I can see how swsh would seem perfectly fine. And they are fine. They’re just not great not offensively bad. They’re just fine.

[hoary hatch]

$30 for a Nintendo DLC?!

Bruh

[toxic grotto]

60$, there were 2!

[hoary hatch]

Oh, it's $30 for the bundle now

[toxic grotto]

Oh I think originally it was more, maybe 40$ for both or something

[hoary hatch]

Lmao, I was like "woah, a mainline pokemon game with 3d graphics"

[toxic grotto]

Yeah, and weirdly enough it was the same 3d graphics! But you also missed black/white and BW2 which were both great, gen 6 is forgettable, and gen 7 is awkward, sun/moon is mid, but USUM is great

[hoary hatch]

I bought black version 2 but I never finished it

I could probably make a profit if I sell it

[toxic grotto]

Definitely, I think it goes for something like 90-120$ from any resell store, eBay is probably less

[hoary hatch]

Wtf

I don't have the box tho

[toxic grotto]

Most the resell stores don’t either, but yeah used Pokémon games make bank

Ds games in general are hard to find and especially the really wanted ones

[rich idol]

im having trouble installing the wifi driver, ethernet is fine but no wifi, i have the driver on a thumbstick, starting it gives me the "do you want to allow this app to make changes on your device?" thing and i click yes and then nothing, the "install.bat" file just flashes a CMD window for a second before closing it and then nothing

[hoary hatch]

The Cars DS game case has gotta be worth like $400 now, right?

[toxic grotto]

Action replay :p

[hoary hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/this-master-ball-does-shine-pokemon-pokebals-gif-22336582

[hoary hatch]

hmmm

good thing is all my games are authentic

everything was bought new from retail many many years ago

[toxic grotto]

There’s a lot of inauthentic ones that flooded the market cause they cost so much

[hoary hatch]

I do want to get a switch 2 and play some of the switch 1 pokemon games at a reasonable FPS

[devout ridge]

REAL

such simplistic fun

[fringe vigil]

kachow

[wise bear]

I dunno how but sure

[pallid marsh]

How many movies are you downloading?

[wise bear]

OH its from watching jellyfin

that amount includes local network transfers

[brisk jolt]

girl whatchu downloading doing 17TB in a month

[bitter shuttle]

i need more storage in my nas its filling up like a bucket in the rain

have only 1.5tb left

anyone have any good storage options

which hardrive should i buy next or should i buy bunch of sata ssds or is there any high capacity nvmes

[indigo walrus]

Buy a bunch of external WD EasyStore drives in whatever capacity meet your needs during Black Friday sales week (in November) or Boxing Week (around end of December). That's how I acquired 2x 18TB whitelabel helium filled WD Enterprise drives for $299 CAD each back in Winter 2023.

[boreal ginkgo]

Can someone check my build over 🙏

[hard dew]

Can anyone tell me why this might be happening?

[brisk jolt]

maybe bcs ur crossposting

[low sorrel]

no

[indigo walrus]

Because whatever you're running is using your GPU, then not using your GPU.

[brisk jolt]

average expedition 33 enemy attack:

[pale beacon]

I like this type of sarcasm

[indigo walrus]

It's not sarcasm?

[pale beacon]

Then what else

[hard dew]

That type of idiocy that keeps us from evolving as a species.

[indigo walrus]

Excuse me? You asked why your GPU usage might be going up and down. I provided an answer. If there's more to your question, elaborate and the answer might be refinable. I am unable to read minds. Context is key.

[pale beacon]

I'm assuming it is an AMD GPU

[brisk jolt]

kirashi is literally on point with whats happening lmao

[hard dew]

Maybe put a little more thought into your response and it might not need to be refined so many times.

2080 Super.

[brisk jolt]

elian 2.0 incoming

[hard dew]

First half is tabbed into the game, second half is tabbed out.

Perfectly smooth and stable

[brisk jolt]

did you try
fullscreen the game
or play in windowed borderless

[hard dew]

Then while game window is active

[random flame]

Hmmm... The struggle of figuring out how exactly to word this...

[hard dew]

No idea what that is and I am not clicking on it. Were you trying to contribute something useful?

[random flame]

Contribute to what exactly? I don't even know what your topic is, nor was I even here for it.

[low sorrel]

@wise bear I should NOT HAVE drank that boba

[livid flame]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-see-anything-ken-jeong-ben-chang-its-so-tiny-cant-see-gif-4279507211752143591

[random flame]

Zoom In... Activated.

[hard dew]

Heres another interesting tidbit. In NVIDIA 3D settings, I set it to maximize performance, and the peaks last longer

[livid flame]

It’s almost like it’s giving you what you asked for

[hard dew]

Try not to speak

After changing this, the peaks last longer for a short while, then go back to how it was before. Not sure what else I can change at this point

[livid flame]

I guess there’s a support channel for a reason

[pure garnet]

change the computer fr

[random flame]

Why are you only screenshotting the graph and not the entire Task Manager window so people know the rest of the details?

[oak vector]

Helo

[random flame]

Btw, for a sec of doing a re-shot of this paragraph had me thinking in the THX sound rapidly going up as a zoomed in. Lol.

[random flame]

Hoyo Bill-DOT-e.

[livid flame]

Hi billy. I am glad you are real

[oak vector]

[oak vector]

Hii jp

[low sorrel]

how much jellyfin do you watch

[brisk jolt]

that guy really thinks the world is centered around him and that he’s the mc

[oak vector]

💀

[oak vector]

Some crazy entitlement 😔

[summer raft]

World revolves around his mom

[pure garnet]

fix my computer bro

[hard dew]

It's because of her gravitational pull.

[oak vector]

Something something very funny joke about gravitational pull

[pure garnet]

is that ai generated

looks like it

[livid flame]

But he’s a slayer… AND he’s ace!

He got nothing on buffy though

[lone scarab]

nice pfp

[brisk jolt]

he’s the type of person to be the hero that gets sat down in some fictional media

now I can go on yapping more but I think I’ve already crossed the line

[livid flame]

If there’s a line I haven’t seen it for years

[hard dew]

Entire task manager as requested I guess

[lone scarab]

some games do give spikes depending on what and how much they'r using

try another game

[livid flame]

I mean. It means nothing. You need to describe what you’re doing, for how long and put all ya specs and everything and all detail in the support channel

[lone scarab]

just try another game and if works fine then there is no problem

[hard dew]

Happens in every game but OSRS

[livid flame]

I’m ashamed to say you’re a fellow osrs player. I guess it’s not just for the autistic anymore but for the ex wow players with zero ability in anything other than hype 🙁

[lone scarab]

hopefully

tf is osrs

[livid flame]

If you’re not autistic in any way don’t worry

[lone scarab]

bruh

[hard dew]

I wish that message meant something

[livid flame]

(Old school RuneScape)

[lone scarab]

yeah just googled

[hard dew]

So games run smoothly in background, but then become unplayable when they are active.

[pure garnet]

computer not computing

[livid flame]

Support channel

#1027757333117415424

[lone scarab]

his computer is working the opposite way

[brisk jolt]

How do we know its like, them turning up the graphics all the way up so it’ll stutter in game

[random flame]

Which game(s) were you playing that caused these unusual spikes again?
What were the settings for them when it happened?

[hard dew]

I play on low settings. My system doesn't sweat for any game.

[livid flame]

And they’re also using an AMD a-10 lol

[lone scarab]

alr simple asf guys #1027757333117415424

[hard dew]

This has only come up in the last couple weeks. My build is 6 years old

[oak vector]

“Guys why game lag”
And it’s just cyberpunk maxed out rt 4K

[random flame]

Okay, but you didn't mention which game(s) exactly.

[hard dew]

Never played cyberpunk

[livid flame]

Hes probably got his HDMI in his motherboard

[oak vector]

Honestly just sounds like windows update or driver tomfoolery

[hard dew]

How long did it take you to come up with that one

So i'm on slightly older windows, and I actually installed an older graphics driver from the last time things ran properly. Same issue.

[oak vector]

😭

[oak vector]

Did you wipe and install the old drivers
Or just install

[hard dew]

Older windows, Older graphic driver, I don't play any games newer than 2019. Never had an issue until these past couple weeks.

[oak vector]

Hm

[livid flame]

“Slightly older windows”… tf just say which version you attention seeking goon

[hard dew]

last ditch, some would say "clean your pc" but i keep mine sparkling like a showroom ferrari unlike these other neanderthals

Yes, i'm having an issue ive never had playing the same games since I built my pc. i'm seeking attention.

people with older hardware seeming to have fixed this issue, but me doing the same steps and the problem persists

[brisk jolt]

atp just nuke the entire windows

[livid flame]

You’re literally that kid that got bullied at school for being weird

[hard dew]

yeah, only the kid that got bullied at school for being weird would say that. sorry boss. chin up

Every game. It only dips when the game is the active window.

Why would a game run perfectly smooth in the background rather than when it's the active window. You would think it would be the other way around.

[oak vector]

Have you tried resetting windows 😔

[brisk jolt]

it’ll be 2026 and this guy can still go on trynna pick a fight over this rather than nuke windows

[oak vector]

Nuke windows is my default response to most issues I can’t fix after 3-4 tries

[livid flame]

Tbh I’m confused why he has shared and dedicated gpu memory. But I’m not asking anything cause he will just be cryptic and drag it out longer

[hard dew]

I think you won't ask because you won't know what you're talking about.

[livid flame]

I always thought that happened when vram got full but he’s only using 5gig

I guess there’s a few reasons why

[hard dew]

What does dedicated and shared gpu memory have to do with a problem i've never had before.

[livid flame]

Well you’re rendering from 2 different devices and wondering why you’ve got stuttering and low drops on one of them…

[hard dew]

I'm not sure that's the case there chief

[livid flame]

Oh wait you’re video encoding

Tf this guy. Just get out. Without a full story it’s boring

[hard dew]

Imagine having the full story and being clueless

[livid flame]

There’s not a full story. You’re being a muggy little twat. It’s boring.

[brisk jolt]

for all we know it could be a PSU issue, a OS issue, a platform (CPU/Mobo/Ram) issue

it doesnt specifically just need to be tied to the card

[hard dew]

6 years. 0 changes to hardware or settings. restored OS and drivers to older versions when everything was certainly running smoothly. nothing i play makes this machine sweat. you have people on older hardware with the same issue fixing it in one way or another, and my attempts to use those same fixes don't work.

[leaden dawn]

Have you tried Linux

I just hooked into the convo I meant to reply to an earlier message lmao

[hard dew]

No, you won't catch me being that pretentious just yet.

[brisk jolt]

Yeah then what do you want us to do? Maybe looking at Event Viewer can help you identify what could be wrong.

[leaden dawn]

Oh you're the one with the lumpy GPU chart

[hard dew]

I'm assuming you didn't need your glasses for that one

[leaden dawn]

Not like the rj11 port no

[livid flame]

Tbh he should just burn his pc. Wants help but dismisses anything anyone says and doesn’t expand. Deserves poor performance. Hope it never gets resolved

[hard dew]

I remember learning about that too

[leaden dawn]

Learning about what? I'm talking about something that happened earlier today

[brisk jolt]

I know this type of character very well. Self-delusional. Thinks he's him.

[blazing ivy]

Always wanted to try a Dark power PSU this one looks like a banger

[hard dew]

"We're not as smart as we thought we were, let's throw insults."

[blazing ivy]

Titanium 80 plus and cybernetics Titanium

[livid flame]

The lads immediately bullshitting saying lowest settings and using 5gb vram

[brisk jolt]

i wonder who was talking about "intelligence" in TC1 earlier but lacks any himself

[leaden dawn]

The people touting their intelligence with that level of arrogance probably aren't as smart as they think

[hard dew]

Pause

[livid flame]

So I wouldn’t bother putting anymore time into someone that devoid of realism

[hard dew]

PAUSE

[leaden dawn]

Bro this is a text chat

[livid flame]

Can we just ban him from tc1 and 2

[brisk jolt]

Search SPL PSU tier list to know how good it is. Every dark power is rated A.

[hard dew]

You wanna run that back? Call me a bullshitter again.

[livid flame]

You’re a big billy bullshitter

See I said it

[leaden dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/windows-users-gif-19739672

[leaden dawn]

Is this not normal tho

[young void]

Be sure the app/game is set to use the graphics card and not the igpu if applicaple

[blazing ivy]

I've read the cybernetics report on it its looks top tier. https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2952/

Tested by Aris hardware busters

[hard dew]

Not applicable

[brisk jolt]

SPL' is more direct in telling you about its rating

no need to read a full report

[hard dew]

But i said pause because of an interesting call out

I have proven i play on low settings. Why does 5gm ram usage matter?

Less than 2 for the game, by the way

Background recording is also off.

[brisk jolt]

if you’re capping out on vram you’re gonna experience a lot of stutters. However this would not be the case as you’re not hitting the cap

[leaden dawn]

Through all the lumpy graph pics I've seen from you over the past few hours, I don't see one in #1027757333117415424

[young void]

Graphics_1 sus

[hard dew]

Almost like that's been the case for 6 years as previously stated.

I've never capped any usage, I use 1080p monitors, I never push graphics on any game. This is literally a brand new issue i've never had that started happening over the past week or two

[young void]

Just looks busy is all idk full context but 83% is up there

Give or take temps

[hard dew]

Temps are well within range

[brisk jolt]

Dude did the context just go in one ear and out the other?

[young void]

On 52c at 83%

[hard dew]

I have literally never had a problem, and I have never played a demanding game on this PC.

[hard dew]

rather chilly, no?

[young void]

Yeah id expect it warmer unless you just turned it on tbh but thats fine could just be getting old. Couldn't say for certain

[hard dew]

Its been hours.

[young void]

Lmao

Frigging warship

Mad sus

[hard dew]

If that warrants a hmm, sounds like we might be getting somewhere

But again, this has never been an issue. Ever.

[young void]

Idk what that means but I find it odd forsures

[hard dew]

So we're frosty.

I've got decent fans and my house is an ice box

Never had temp issues.

[young void]

Not sure, but I do wish ya lucks if I think of anything crafty I'll swing through

[hard dew]

I appreciate it.

You're the second intelligent lifeform I've encountered here lol

Any chance I just need another graphics card? I've had this 2080 super for 6 years. But I can't imagine with people still having 1080s going strong that that would be the case.

[brisk jolt]

im at a loss of words for this guy’s lack of intelligence

[leaden dawn]

Intelligent Lifeform = posting AI overview evidently

[young void]

As for an upgrade up to you if it makes things unplayable myte be time

[hard dew]

It's just weird that it was playing flawlessly just a few weeks ago and now this. Like, there hasn't been a noticable decline in performance that I could tell. Just straight off a cliff.

[blazing ivy]

I like when searching Be Quiet Dark power this video pops up https://youtu.be/eZTTrn5fKj4?si=MKqlgfgQFkz9IbSU
"this is a BE QUIET!!!"

2012

[young void]

Tiss odd but all you can do is your best

[hard dew]

Thanks for the help. Much appreciated.

[leaden dawn]

If temps are low I wonder what voltage and or clocks are at

[blazing ivy]

reminds me what was the go for them back then from what Linus used to say back in the day in the videos "its german like my car.. they good"

[leaden dawn]

That aged

[low sorrel]

Just like Linus

[blazing ivy]

highly recommened watch for what Linus said in the video alone

[low sorrel]

Isn't he pushing 40

[young void]

Something seems off but it'll certainly take some digging, (can check on msi burner for it being up to spec if ya havent Ace) but even then even if it's off it's a rabit hole to fix*

[low sorrel]

Man when I started watching LTT in like 2015 Linus was in his 20s what happened

[leaden dawn]

Life

[young void]

https://tenor.com/view/adder-adderko-snake-ouroboros-overwerk-gif-21047022

[livid flame]

Decay

[raven citrus]

I know what i got no lowball

[livid flame]

$200

I can probably buy it new for 500

[vagrant cargo]

Its a good thing I brought a aio cooler day before it arrives my air cooler decided to die

So got to wait a day and I got a aio cooler

Anyways whats everyone upto today? I got some pc stuff ive done including cleaning a gpu and also ordering my cousin some pc parts he wanted and building him a pc

He went for a full amd build except for the gpu he went for a 5090

Then anymore spent ordering stuff and me building it including modifying his pc case to be themed and hes grabbing that later and hes paying me for it

[lethal topaz]

recently ive been degoogling my life

ive cut dependence on google photos, and soon google drive entirely

[livid flame]

I wonder if @hard dew can explain my low gpu usage. Cause he is super smart and all ya need is 1 graph.

[green marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqZEmVmdO7A i still own pair of these boards... Also is that Luke in background after intro video (0:06-0:08) ? Who would think these will make a media empire one day 😄

[fringe holly]

Anyone have Oled monitor ?

[topaz veldt]

yup

[shut pasture]

yes

[brisk jolt]

did he leave or smth

[fringe holly]

I don’t know if I go for glossy or matte

My setup is close to a window

So matte sounds to be the right choice

But glossy is known to be way better

[livid flame]

Changed his name to characters you can’t select. I’m sure it’s against the rules.

someone should probably ask the mods to change it back

[fringe holly]

My setup exposition

[oak vector]

Yo my ups came today

[brisk jolt]

He left the server

[gloomy vault]

🙀

[livid flame]

Lolol. Thats pretty weak.

I guess we didn’t pass the test of getting his made up scenario with little information correct. We are not smart enough.

[topaz veldt]

glossy, you can close the window shades

[proven saddle]

Gaiming chair

[proven saddle]

Monitor has shrimp back

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-shrimp-check-posture-gif-5966522503887123243

[shell void]

my desk is positioned with a window the same exact way that yours is, and i vastly prefer glossy

with and without curtains

[fringe holly]

I just moved to a new city. Couldn’t take my chair

[proven saddle]

still a great chair

[fringe holly]

Do you have a qd or Woled ?

[fringe holly]

It is terrible haha

I plan to change it as soon as I can

[proven saddle]

mine worse lol

[fringe holly]

I don’t want to be in the dark mate

[shell void]

i’ve tried both and i prefer glossy woled, i’m using a lg c4 42 right now

reflections aren’t a dealbreaker, but the contrast loss and magenta tinting of qd oled annoys me

[fringe holly]

Qd oled magenta is meh

I mean behind me, there are some lights

Idk if it will reflect

[edgy laurel]

there are lights behind me, they do reflect... but this isn't a real issue

[fringe holly]

On the glossy

[edgy laurel]

when focusing on the images on the screen you don't see reflections

[fringe holly]

The real point is do I buy the new gigabyte or I wait for the glossy Asus

Gigabyte is matte and 150€ cheaper

[edgy laurel]

eww matte

[shell void]

yes you will be able to see reflections, but they’re on a different focal plane

you have to purposefully refocus your eyes on the reflections in order to see them clearly

[fringe holly]

I see I see, so you guys confirm that glossy will be a better choice there

[fringe holly]

Why ?

[proven saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-12686883553708718330

[devout ridge]

matte just adds a diffusion layer ontop of the normal panel, so you get less color contrast and more bleed

[shell void]

matte panels permanently look dirty, and they have less contrast

it’s a compromise to image quality for people who are insecure and shriek in horror when they see their face on loading screens

[edgy laurel]

when you experience it, its simply a far more impressive image in person. The glossy coating almost makes colors seem to pop off the screen. Meanwhile the matte displays its like a layer of haze

[fringe holly]

Alr

[shell void]

with rare few exceptions like brother @young void who is quite handsome

[fringe holly]

So I have to refocus on WOLED glossy

[shell void]

i’m not sure why he prefers matte panels

[heavy mantle]

good morning

[edgy laurel]

With a lot of people cough5nailcough, it comes down to just not trying it

[rare prawn]

I feel stuck my xcover 7 pro have keyboard lag issues

[heavy mantle]

not again

yk what matt

please save us and your time by copying and pasting this into chatgpt

[rare prawn]

it just blame forse update

[heavy mantle]

no?

[rare prawn]

I did all that and it was just set up 2 day ago

[shell void]

when in doubt blame scamsung

[topaz veldt]

You don't need to be, but you can close the blinds slightly if you have an issue

[heavy mantle]

wait didnt you have a 23ultra?

[rare prawn]

no s23 base model

[fringe holly]

I actually don’t, just wanted to know if 150€ diff is with it to get a glossy instead of a matt

[heavy mantle]

okay then why not use that?

s23 like smears the floor with that phone

[shell void]

it doesn’t have all day battery life when hes doomscrolling under the sun on vacation

[rare prawn]

it doesn't have 2 features i need

[heavy mantle]

removable batteries and let me guess pwm?

[rare prawn]

yes that's why i am so stressed out

[heavy mantle]

i got it right xd

also simple fix

the same amount of money you are spending on removable batteries you could spend on a attachable power bank.... it saves money even and is wayy more environmentally clean when using just one power bank vs an older phone that sucks more power and less yk what you are doing with the phone

also just use a tinted screen protecter or smthn

its a 2$ fix

30ish with the battery bank

still less than the battery alone lmfao

[rare prawn]

that won't solve the problem in 4 years

[heavy mantle]

what

[rare prawn]

what

[heavy mantle]

what do you need a phone that lasts four years on a single charge🧐

[edgy laurel]

gonna be one of those days isn't it

[heavy mantle]

am being entertained

this is so fun

[rare prawn]

i did not say that I meant in 4 year battery would need replacement and stupid company glue it in now

[heavy mantle]

uh no....

if you dial in the right settings on your phone and dont constantly use it and acually do stuff that matters in life, then phone battery life plus battery saving settings plus having a life other than on phone and plus using a bettery bank will like last it maybe for another 10 years or so

i still have my old flip phone from 2003 and works fine and bettery is fine

[rare prawn]

if not constantly use then why have a phone

[heavy mantle]

dude

[rare prawn]

no you

[heavy mantle]

other than calling and texting and maybe a light scroll on the web on your phone and maybe play a game or two through the day

[rare prawn]

and you can't relate with a flip phone

[heavy mantle]

what on earth do you need to use a phone for that long

i think i said it was my old flip phone hmm?

also

[rare prawn]

i use it for discord

and it was my only device on vacation

[heavy mantle]

i think people get away from devices to enjoy there vacation but who knows

[rare prawn]

so I use it for watching videos before we left our home

[heavy mantle]

thats fine am not judjing on what you do just simply use your phone less

it will quite littraly solve all you rproblems, both screen hurting your eyes and battery wise

[rare prawn]

what ever

[heavy mantle]

if you dont clock in a 9-5 using your phone everyday then its going to last you longer and view it better

[heavy mantle]

so we agree?

[rare prawn]

no I disagree because it all blame glued in battery

[heavy mantle]

really?

wait matt how old are you ?

there is now way other than being a little kid or smthn or a student you have to be atleast doing something productive

[rare prawn]

23

i have a job

[heavy mantle]

cool

you have a job yet you spend 8 hours a day on your phone?

yk i have a lecture starting soon

this is some mental practise i get before i meet the rest of the fellow people there lmfao

[rare prawn]

hey not all the time only vacation and 2 day i have off and it more of glue in battery is pure for greed

[heavy mantle]

do you even know the science behind how batteries even work, forget modern ones, how the og battery even works?

its not like companies shrinking ceral sizes and calling it a day

no

[rare prawn]

how do that relate i what company to be required to have like 1450ma battery instead of 1600ma battery but glue in and can't complain

it is also the port on my s23 don't stay in at time

[heavy mantle]

modern battries use basically as best as consumer battires could ghet to compact the most battery juice for the longest time possible, so it isnt greed,almost all modern batteries are tons more effecaint than any removable ones, let alone the system it powering, the modern batteries have so much power for chips that use <10w of power.

[heavy mantle]

thas not how it works

[rare prawn]

The xcover 7 pro is made in 2025

[rare prawn]

That bs

[heavy mantle]

you have to know that even tho modern phones may have lower mha for the batteries, the Soc they use inside the phone sips so little power the power to preformance power watt is wayy greater for older phones, so yes less battry life on paper, but it lasts so much as the mroe modern and effeicnt chips sips little to no power on stand by and not alot when in use that they last wayyy longer than old and power hungry ones

[heavy mantle]

idc

[rare prawn]

that why I believe swaps able should be a law make it work or back to drawing bord

[heavy mantle]

no they shouldnt,

[rare prawn]

with a fat big foot

[bronze mango]

Good way to think of it is like this. Imagine Billy has 10 apples and he eats 3 per day. I have 5 apples but I only eat one per day. Who will run out of apples sooner?

[rare prawn]

that sad that you got convinced for greed

[heavy mantle]

greed when my phone battries lasts 3x more than you lmfao

[rare prawn]

but Billy can swap in 10 more in 30 seconds

[shell void]

just use flipphone matt

[bronze mango]

Most components can be changed if you have some minor technical knowledge

[shell void]

you don’t deserve all day smartphone until you have six figure job

[rare prawn]

shut up

[heavy mantle]

there are smart flip phones tho

that sucks like 1 watt a year

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-otter-rubbing-eyes-tired-irritated-gif-16638234

[heavy mantle]

finaly smart people are back

[steel stream]

where

[heavy mantle]

no offense to matt btw

[bronze mango]

If I wanted to, u could throw a laptop battery on my phone as long as it can output enough current and charges to the same 3.3v or whatever my phone is using

[heavy mantle]

anyways lecture starting soooonnn

bye bitches

[rare prawn]

I don’t need a six-figure salary to justify a tool that helps me work smarter, stay connected, and control my tech environment. I deserve gear that respects my time and autonomy whether I’m earning six figures or building toward it

[bronze mango]

Just because there isn't a slot doesn't mean you can't modify your stuff

[heavy mantle]

okay thanks chatgpt

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-okay-ok-oh-sad-tears-gif-18296782631932096315

[rare prawn]

who cares

[shell void]

mfs will praise nostalgic transparent retro consoles, but then turn around and shame this new asus monitor design

no room for whimsy any more for real

[steel stream]

sick asf though

[topaz veldt]

thats sick honestly so long as it doesn't yellow

[steel stream]

I'd want it in a darker base color but it looks awesome

[bronze mango]

Hardware side is always modifiable, but software side is where you have actual locking down that shouldn't exist imo

[shell void]

hopefully yellowing clear plastic is a thing of the past for all products

[topaz veldt]

erhh

[shell void]

if phone cases figure it out

[bronze mango]

Like my car. There is no public data as to how they mapped the hex code for the ECU, so even if I pull it, I can't modify it. That shouldn't be the case.

I bought the car, so I should own the car and the software values assigned to it

[topaz veldt]

You bought your motherboard, no one gave you the source for the BIOS

[heavy mantle]

ryzen 100

[bronze mango]

Same with GPUs, except even worse because they have a hard lock now where your bios in a way has to add up to the correct value, so you can't even change values when you find what they do

[heavy mantle]

this is like refurbishing an old car and selling it as a new one lmao

[bronze mango]

No

[frank zealot]

translucent purple, green, or orange > translucent clear

[bronze mango]

It's like owning something and doing what you want with it

Which should be what owning something eludes to

[heavy mantle]

i wasnt talking about that

[shell void]

see through green is meta

[heavy mantle]

the rebrand of ryzen zen2+ and zen 3 mobile cpus to ryzen 10 and 100

[bronze mango]

Oh

[rare prawn]

people should have to do that

[bronze mango]

I thought you were talking about modifying software for your devices

[heavy mantle]

oh no lol

[bronze mango]

And they can

[shell void]

good guy amd on their way to rerelease zen 2 apus in 2025 with names very similar to current gen products to purposefully confuse consumers

[topaz veldt]

You see they're doing like a 7500X3D now

[frank zealot]

is that even remotely surprising?

[shell void]

oh wonderful

[frank zealot]

AMD Life Support to never waste silicon is a thing

[shell void]

that could be cool at like $150 but i’m sure it won’t be

[bronze mango]

When are we getting r3 CPUs again?

[heavy mantle]

i would buy the laptop for three carrots and a stick

[frank zealot]

as x3d? 175ish would be fine

[rare prawn]

no I mean swap able battery should be law my system even one would charge it out of phone

[bronze mango]

Just get a soldering iron

[frank zealot]

since MC has the 7600x3d at 300?

The 7500x3d is probably 225-250

[bronze mango]

There are legitimate reasons not to want sockets and connectors

There isn't a legitimate reason not to solder

[rare prawn]

no only bs reason and all phone have lot of concord any way

[brisk jolt]

boom china exclusive at $250

[rare prawn]

like right now my s23 had charged port issues

[bronze mango]

Current handling, space, added reactance, and failure points are all legitimate reasons not to have connectors and sockets

They aren't "bs"

They're reality.

But you can get around this with an iron

[rare prawn]

no they not you are crazy

[bronze mango]

How are any of those not legitimate?

[rare prawn]

because in s23 battery is still socket

[frank zealot]

wireless charging

[bronze mango]

Like is it a matter of belief? Do you just not believe in current limitations or reactance or something?

[rare prawn]

that cause more heat

[bronze mango]

And it comes with downsides

[rare prawn]

ps i am get angry

[shell void]

i need to find the picture of professor jufenstein again

[bronze mango]

You inherently increase reactance and decrease power factor with sockets

[rare prawn]

I never give up

[frank zealot]

in theory, yes, all those points are valid.
But the advantages of making user-swappable parts (in general) I feel outweigh the benefits.

(outside of making it harder to repair so users replace devices over swapping batteries)

[bronze mango]

Except as a designer you now need to limit your product for that unnecessary feature. By soldering it in, the user still can repair it, just with an iron.

[rare prawn]

you do reliis

[frank zealot]

except that the phones are also glued shut so that you also risk breaking screens or covers to replace it

[rare prawn]

no soldier was use

[leaden dawn]

The same user who has a pentalobe screwdriver may not have a proper soldering iron or skills. Making the repair much harder.

[rare prawn]

and it all new phone

[leaden dawn]

I'd know because I was one of them

[frank zealot]

IF swapping involved removing an easy-to-access cover and then de-soldering two pads? I would be a lot less annoyed.

But the difficulty of opening modern devices makes it very different

[bronze mango]

Gluing products shut is unnecessary imo. Not saying that is a good thing. Just that there are legitimate reasons not to socket everything and it doesn't actually limit you as an owner if you're willing to put in effort to modify or repair the product @frank zealot

There are also machining and cost limitations

A socket with a cable costs more than a wire

While holding all those disadvantages mentioned before

[rare prawn]

are you listening new phone are still socket

[frank zealot]

right, but we're talking about modern devices, and just saying "use a soldering iron" is disingenuous, if you need semi-specialized equipment to non-destructively get to the battery in the first place.

[steel stream]

hmm, something seems off

[brisk jolt]

sry brother I went into yo panel

[bronze mango]

Then the issue is with the choice to glue it, not if you can repair it or upgrade it or not

[frank zealot]

Good news! Your delivery will be there 4 days ago!

[shell void]

@rare prawn can you replace my iphone 13 pro max battery for me if i buy the ifixit kit?

[steel stream]

I understand, I forgive you

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/delorean-time-travel-back-to-the-future-marty-mc-fly-gif-11295533

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-sunglasses-shades-t800-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-27448475

[frank zealot]

that's definitely something I've had gripes with for years.

[bronze mango]

And I don't disagree there

I just disagree with the notion that not having some "monkey could replace this" socket or connector and slot means "not upgradable" or "non repairable"

[frank zealot]

not being able to replace glass, a battery, or other things easily is horiffically anti-consumer.

Although since part of it is for water-resistance... it's a tough call there. There are benefits to the "have an un-fixable brick of phone"

[bronze mango]

But I also hate how companies will lock your warranty from you upgrading or repairing their product. They should have to prove your upgrade or repair caused the issue.

[frank zealot]

in the US that is theoretically the law

[rare prawn]

But what can we do

[frank zealot]

you can whine about it on discord ineffectually

[rare prawn]

Since the type lag is big

[bronze mango]

I'm also not opposed to connectors, but there are legitimate scenarios where machining extra access points or sockets or connectors cause actual design limitations and cost

Hence why it should be a designer choice

[rare prawn]

I agree except for battery

[bronze mango]

Batteries are probably the easiest component to replace without needing a connector

And they're also a point where losing any percent efficiency has the most impact

They're also going to be the point where you're going to draw the most power in any design fully running off that battery

[leaden dawn]

Wireless charging exists, where that does, I don't think efficiency is much of a concern

[bronze mango]

Wireless charging is incredibly inefficient

[rare prawn]

Yep

[bronze mango]

But it's also offloading that inefficiency to an external device

[rare prawn]

And that sad

[rare prawn]

Won't you raht swap in 30 seconds then wait 1 hours

[bronze mango]

It's not ideal, but it's like a computer. I'd rather my power supply lose 10% efficiency if that costs me 100w than my CPU draw another 100w

[rare prawn]

Those 2 don't relate

[bronze mango]

They do

[leaden dawn]

How does that relate from socketed designs to soldered ones

[bronze mango]

Where your inefficiency occurs matters

If I have a battery operated device, everything after that battery better be efficient as hell

Anything before is coming from the wall, so it's nice if it's efficient, but your power grid probably isn't gonna run out of power

[leaden dawn]

How much resistance is actually going to make an impact on how much power the motherboard uses though

Like weve used spring contacts on phones since the 90s

[bronze mango]

Reactance and power factor aren't the same as resistance

And in some cases, maybe minimal

In others, enough that your design goal is now impossible

[leaden dawn]

Apple watch batteries have connectors

[bronze mango]

You seem to think I'm arguing connectors can't exist.

I'm not. I'm arguing they have limitations so they shouldn't be forced.

[leaden dawn]

I'm not a designer but I have a hard time seeing what goals would make soldering a better option over a connector. If it's just a red and black wire, I get it but if it's an integrated device like a smartphone.. Less so

[bronze mango]

Efficiency, perhaps a high frequency application, a space limited one, one that needs to move a lot and can't have points come undone, many more

[leaden dawn]

Only thing I can think of is cost saving

[bronze mango]

Then you didn't read what I just wrote

Because none of that related to cost savings

Those are all legitimate reasons to solder shit in instead of giving it a connector

[leaden dawn]

I didn't think of anything you wrote. Doesn't mean i didnt read it

[bronze mango]

Hell, if I could have my cpu soldered to my board, I'd take that option for xoc

[leaden dawn]

Then get a laptop? Lol

Or a console

[bronze mango]

You're not gonna get xoc power delivery and often not the same silicon even with a laptop

[leaden dawn]

Oh extreme overclocking?

Sorry I'm not derbaur

I get that point but that's a really extreme case.. As indicated by the name

[rare prawn]

I still believe it should be law to have swap able battery

[verbal berry]

Its swappable if u open it

[rare prawn]

not the same

[leaden dawn]

I think for personal use daily driver devices like phones and laptops at the very least, I agree they all should have connectors. If it doesn't have that it either be easy or I just don't buy it if I care enough, simple as that

But I have a pixel so there's the glue to worry about anyway. Least no parts pairing I don't think

[verbal berry]

Well ur not getting it idk what to tell u man

[rare prawn]

I mean phone like s23 you have to remove glue

[oak vector]

I mean yeah it would be nice to have an easily swappable battery on a phone

I remember the galaxy s5

[leaden dawn]

I want a fairphone but expensive

And not performant enough imo

[oak vector]

For me, I’d love a phone where I can replace anything that you can break

I mean touch wood my 16e has been pretty good so far
But my 12 was abominable

[rare prawn]

they say the cpu is not the problem it the apps

[leaden dawn]

Why is e/os a $50 premium lmao

Eight years of support vs 5 years "at least" as well

[rare prawn]

I don't see it in USA it is e/os only

[leaden dawn]

I'm not sure I even looked into fairphone 6 that much ngl

[rare prawn]

I was looking at fairphone5

[pure garnet]

paying for a rom is a meme

just flash lineage

[oak vector]

Suspiciously iPhone-esque

Looks cool tho

[leaden dawn]

You can flash e/os too

[pure garnet]

nah the fair phone is real it just took till the 6 to be a compelling enough product

[shut pasture]

but like do u recommend it

also just use a damm samsung or like an iphone

becuase im my country trying to get the parts is so hard to do

[oak vector]

Idk I wouldn’t mind a nice android
Preferably something not super mainstream either

But my 16e shall suffice

[pure garnet]

me? no

i just get a new iphone every 3 years or so

[oak vector]

My average rate is maybe a year maximum lmao

Idk why

[shut pasture]

same i get a new iphone every 2-3 years

[pure garnet]

i had the 12pm then i got the 15pm

[shut pasture]

i got 15pm then 17p

[oak vector]

I had the 12
Then got the 16e

[shut pasture]

i also got the 16e

[leaden dawn]

Buy what you want idc. I have a pixel. I like the idea of fairphone, just out of my budget. I only get a phone (historically) every 2 or 3 years, hoping to keep this one longer since I got it new rather than the Amazon EOL Verizon special

[shut pasture]

it is so damm good for the price bro

[oak vector]

Eh I really wouldn’t say that

Like
At all.

[rare prawn]

I thought they don't ship to USA

[shut pasture]

i think they do right

[oak vector]

It’s a nice phone sure
But it’s not worth 1000 aud

[leaden dawn]

Idk. I'm not buying one rn anyway

[shut pasture]

yes it is not worth 1000aud

im from perth brtw

[rare prawn]

nope no USA in list

[oak vector]

I’m willing to bet I can get a refurb phone that is significantly better for the same price I got my 16e from

[oak vector]

Oh sweet
VIC here

[leaden dawn]

/e/OS is the EU version evidently that follows GDPR, Android is grounded in US law so idk

[shut pasture]

yeah i think so as well but like 16e is still god

good

[oak vector]

Yeah it’s a nice phone honestly
I actually quite like it
And the camera is pretty alright too

[leaden dawn]

Didn't know we became Mac Address