tech-chat-2

[pure garnet]

you upgrading?

[shell void]

naw spark is the one with an alex drawer

[pure garnet]

i need to buy a table for my pc this week

the o11d as a shelf looks fucking ridiculous

[edgy laurel]

thats what an old H210i is doing right now.. and i'm reminded of this fact when I move it to clean every week

[turbid locust]

Or I just wall mount

NO WALL MOUNT CASE THO

[shell void]

my big ugly full tower pc just stays on the floor

below muh desk

[turbid locust]

pc on carpet is punishable by death

[shell void]

nah it's fine

[edgy laurel]

not even a front panel

[wheat void]

How does wall mount alleviate noise

[turbid locust]

less fans = less noise

[edgy laurel]

bigger fans = less noise

[turbid locust]

fresher air = lower fan curves

[wheat void]

I've never actually tried that

[shell void]

this case has a side mount psu so the carpet doesnt really matter at all

[odd sable]

more wall between you and computer == less caring about the noise it does make

[shell void]

the bottom intake fans arent having a great time but i dont care

[wheat void]

Hard to imagine open air beating fractal torrent

Then again

[turbid locust]

hard to imagine? it’s open air lmfao

[shell void]

it's optimal

[wheat void]

Yeah. Excessive blow is excessive noise

[shell void]

(the front panel has a flip cover for the front i/o that annoys me)

[wheat void]

Open air is nominal and least turbulent

[shell void]

i hate this case but it works and im too lazy to rebuild in a new case

[wheat void]

Holy shit Mac

[edgy laurel]

#tech-chat-2 message

[edgy laurel]

this is pretty elite

[wheat void]

Conceptually so simple yet....

Why did it never occur

[turbid locust]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[wheat void]

I replaced my fuckin GPU shroud for Noctuas but the solution was just

[shell void]

the i/o cover door broke off of my older enthoo pro so it gets to keep its front panel on

yes those are 5.25s

[topaz veldt]

Damnit qd3 are out of stock everywhere

[shell void]

the Z890-E and Z890 Hero got dropped another $15

i think this is the cheapest theyve ever been

[vagrant cargo]

what do you guys think gpu wise amd will do? for me i want to see them actually do a gpu that beats the 5080 or is similar to the rumoured 5080 super / leaked , personally i think if they put their mnds to it next gen they could make a 4090 / 5090 competitor card and if they sell it for under 2000 pound they could maybe get good pr from various reviewers this leads to more postivity towards price to value and possibly better sales and market

[turbid locust]

I think they will continue to offer worse GPUs at a not even better value

[vagrant cargo]

personally i would find it very funny if a new hardware company came out with their own 5090 like gpu whats not the big 3

[edgy laurel]

Intel reading this like "excuse me?"

[vagrant cargo]

from what ive seen information wise anything with amds new cards seems all over the place, talks they cancelled stuff and it not been cancelled

in my opinion we need a new generations equalivant to the 7900 xtx

[turbid locust]

that’s the 9070XT

lol

[vagrant cargo]

yeah but doesnt the 9070xt struggle against 5080 and the 5090 a bit

[turbid locust]

as does the 7900XTX

[shell void]

AMD doesnt plan to have anything better than 9070XT until their next generation

[vagrant cargo]

seems weird they finished this gen with the 9070xt , they could of defintely did more

[turbid locust]

AMD was at most competitive with the 5070Ti this generation

[shell void]

as far as i know they are planning to launch a flagship gpu again next generation, but i don't think it's going to beat the rtx 6090

[vagrant cargo]

for me i kind of feel amd is targetting the lower value gpu lines a little too much they need a higher priced gpu offering to at least have some full comptetion with 5080 or the 5090

but tbh we only got a couple months until ces 2026, i swear this year went by too quickly

[turbid locust]

They’re doing the exact opposite of this because they can’t compete lmao

[vagrant cargo]

for me i would be interested to see if intel trys to do high end stuff

[turbid locust]

They’re targeting lower end to gain market share

[shell void]

people will not buy a $2000 radeon gpu because the radeon featureset is weak compared to geforce

[vagrant cargo]

heres the thing all they need to do is sell it for under 2000, so for example 1,500 to 1,700

[shell void]

amd still hasnt put out their version of ray reconstruction so rt/pt gaming is basically pointless on radeon

their framegen is far inferior

FSR4 upscaling is okay, but DLSS is available in a much larger number of titles, and FSR4 only works well on the 9000 series

[vagrant cargo]

personally out of intel and amd and nvidia, im mostly keeping a eye on intel and nvidia

because i am interested in seeing intel try to take a crack at doing a card on the level of the 5080 or 5090 if possible

[turbid locust]

The 5070Ti was just the better buy this gen for anyone in 9070XT price range

[vagrant cargo]

for me at the moment i have the palit 5080 gamingpro oc

[shell void]

afaik Radeon doesnt have an equivalent to RTX HDR or RTX VSR either

i wouldnt be surprised if Adrenalin is still a buggy mess

[vagrant cargo]

tbh i havent used or tried out any of the ray tracing stuff for games on nvidias software or on steam

i just have no sort of desire to do so

[heavy spire]

Pricing has been wack in EU, 5070ti has been like 150$ more expensive in some places here

[turbid locust]

I went from a 7900XTX to 5070Ti to 5090 in the last like 8 months

[vagrant cargo]

if im playing a old game i want to play that version

[turbid locust]

Tbh I would pay $150 extra for the more efficient card + DLSS lol

but that’s me

[heavy spire]

I prefer DLSS as well, but its a hard sell for people on a budget who doesnt even know what DLSS\FSR is

[vagrant cargo]

i went from a 4080, mine broke to 4080 super then when i moved to a new town in the uk it rained alot i thought my pc was safe however some rain gone through the box with my pc in it and some how only effected the gpu so that broke i then went to the 5080 , i waited for palits ones to release as with palit on the 5080 you can 3d print a new face plate for the gpu using software palit them selves provide

[turbid locust]

Well people on 1080p probably shouldn’t care anyway

[heavy spire]

But yeah, if the price is similar I'd go 5070ti

[vagrant cargo]

my friend is actually currently making me a 3d model of a CONTROL face plate (a design based on the video game CONTROL) FOR my 5080 , once thats done he is gonna print it for me with his 3d printer

i would love a pc or set up heavily based or inspired on CONTROL and the fbc or the hiss, even the foundation

tbh i am considering modifying my antec flux pro case to have either the FBC logo or maybe something linked to the hiss or the board

i know im gonna be going aio in the next couple of months the ones with displays so i can add to the theme

[scarlet hinge]

uhhhmm a 3d printed face plate, that may melt

just warning you

[teal orbit]

I think that means your GPU itself is melting too

[scarlet hinge]

yea i forgot the melting point of pla is insane

like 220f or something

but what if the plate just warps do to high temps

[topaz veldt]

Its not going to melt

[turbid locust]

5nail find me a wall mount open air case plz

[teal orbit]

ever heard of duck tape

[topaz veldt]

bro just make one

[turbid locust]

but

[topaz veldt]

literally all you need are lag screws

[turbid locust]

[topaz veldt]

lag stud*

screw into wall, with a stud, adapted to 6-32

boom, mobo on the wall

[turbid locust]

shelf

[topaz veldt]

wat

[wise bear]

plank

[topaz veldt]

rail

[turbid locust]

do I just install a shelf and put pc on shelf

well ngl I have a space to put my pc off my desk

[topaz veldt]

you have a trashcan?

[shell void]

damn near a different game

[turbid locust]

I have like a dresser type thing next to my setup I could just slap my pc on

I still want a badass desktop speaker setup I think

[shell void]

i slightly regret not just buying a pair of KH-120ii instead of these kefs

[merry stirrup]

i must die lit

[shell void]

die geeked

[merry stirrup]

live fried

[edgy laurel]

<@&750150305383186585>

[fringe vigil]

Thanks bro redeemed

[steel stream]

Consume??

[turbid locust]

uh the $1,300 per speaker ones???

[odd sable]

is that just RT on vs off?

[shell void]

[shell void]

i think theyre $950/ea but yeah theyre pricey

[shell void]

yah it's pathtracing versus raster

[turbid locust]

yeah no thanks

[odd sable]

but no other changes?

[turbid locust]

I think some JBL 305p’s would be more than enough lmao

[odd sable]

FOV was changed, so it seems like at least something more than just flipping on/off RT was done

[shell void]

theyre both 1440p -> 2160p DLSS, and it's pathtracing + ray reconstruction versus raster with screen space reflections disabled

SSRs are wonky in that game and nuke performance

[odd sable]

SSRs are wonky in general, because of how they work

[shell void]

i dont like them

[odd sable]

but thats a large part of why it looks so shit

[shell void]

i typically disable them in every game because they murder performance and dont add much

[odd sable]

you turned off reflections entirely, ofc it looks bad

[shell void]

here's one with max SSR, it doesnt really change anything

the wall tiles arent the same color because it cycles and i was impatient

most of the time SSRs do not improve the experience, and in the rare cases they do it's still not worth it because it annihilates performance

[odd sable]

its not as good as RT, but its considerably better than with them off IMO

[topaz veldt]

Chevy SSR

[shell void]

what a goofy car

[odd sable]

side by side on those, its not as drastic as RT yes/no, but it very much is visible

[shell void]

yeah the floor looks a little better

[odd sable]

particularly with the ground, and side of the staircase

[shell void]

it doesnt add any accent lighting ambience though 🥀

[topaz veldt]

michael

[odd sable]

yes, RT better, raster tricks only get you so far

[shell void]

snail

[topaz veldt]

what should i buy for my PCs

[shell void]

how is the 285k loop coming

[topaz veldt]

just waiting on parts

[shell void]

didnt u have a distro plate problem or something

[topaz veldt]

yup, thats in the mail back to me

that was just that the drain was on the mobo side of the case and I want the drain on the back side

[shell void]

wasnt that already modified once before?

[topaz veldt]

nah

[shell void]

oh i thought you sent it in once before and had to send it back in a second time

[topaz veldt]

no no i fucked up and put a label on it that sent it to ECS Tuning lol

my printer only printed one out of two labels, and i assumed the top one was the one back to the distro guy but it ended up being to car parts place so I had to return-to-sender it

[shell void]

astaghfirullah that's annoying

inshallah the plate will look spectacular once it's installed

i keep eyeballing this board because it's cheap and has nitropath

we have hero at home

[steel stream]

lol I remember Richard Hammond bought this for Top Gear once

or the grand tour

[wise bear]

aussie-ass mf

[topaz veldt]

should look ok

im going mostly function on this one

MBP M4 on left vs ASUS Zenbook OLED on right

honestly... its very similar but MBP is much brighter

[shell void]

the macbook looks much better to me in that photo

[steel stream]

I'd recommend Tandem OLED for laptops now but idk what laptops are using them (Also MBP looks better to me)

[topaz veldt]

the MBP looks like more backlight but the brightness is way up - in person the black backdrop is basically identical

[shell void]

yah macbook local dimming is op

every time i look at mine it makes me sad that miniled gaming monitors are electronic waste in comparison to it

[teal orbit]

macbook displays are OP

i played some HDR video on the display ones at costco

[topaz veldt]

I do wish this thing was OLED

its very good for what it is, but hnnng could be so much better

[shell void]

once the macbooks go oled itll be roughly twice as bright as your zenbook

the tandem oled panels do 1000nits fullscreen instead of the 400-500 that most amoled laptops do

[topaz veldt]

that will be cool

I am going to sell this as soon as the next model comes out

[shell void]

2026 m6 hopefully

i dont think the m5 models will be oled yet

[topaz veldt]

ah 🙁

[shell void]

we are in purgatory snail

no new cool tech until late 2026 early 2027

[topaz veldt]

the other cool part about this laptop is every now and then I will watch a youtube video and the audio is like... its weirdly 3D

[autumn rain]

MacBook displays are always top tier to be honest

[steel stream]

NVL 🙏

[shell void]

u have the 16 right?

[topaz veldt]

14

[shell void]

oh

i assumed the 14" speakers would be crap

[topaz veldt]

nah they're kind of amazing

[shell void]

🙏

you and i might be the only buyers of it because techchat2 is zen 6 pilled

[topaz veldt]

I will buy it

at least twice lol

[shell void]

gotta get 8p16e big cache and 16p32e frfr

[steel stream]

So torn on what to buy 🥀

[shell void]

if i get it then im just getting one 16p32e

i dont care much about the 8p16e big cache variant

[turbid locust]

I will get whatever’s most performant for the money

I’m buying a new board either way

[steel stream]

I just want big cache to do good so the X3D stans finally have some comp

but I would also probably get 52 core

[topaz veldt]

i will get the big cacher

[shell void]

as far as i know dual big cache is not physically possible because it's just one giant ccd, but if it somehow happens then thatll be cool

[steel stream]

I also don't think Intel would do that with Mr Lip

[shell void]

yeah it doesnt make sense from a logistics standpoint

even if it did somehow fit

[steel stream]

I just hope we get big core and big cache

but very curious with how the launch will go

I think big cache is happening for sure

[shell void]

i havent seen any proof it exists other than jaykihn saying it does

whereas we have seen 52 core novalake ES in shipping manifests

[steel stream]

I just think big cache should happen to compete with X3D

Or maybe Intel is trying to cater to the high core desktop niche

Side note, if the right image is the pin out, why make the schematic like that 🥀

[shell void]

seems like they wanna have a cpu for every use case

[steel stream]

🙏

[topaz veldt]

My one dislike for this MBP is the stupid clamshell mode

[steel stream]

interestingly they don't say gaming, but high performance desktop

So stoked to see PTL stuff in the coming weeks

[shell void]

52 core is confirmed but big cache remains to be seen

285K already beats 9950X in core performance so it's not like they need to reclaim that

hopefully by "high performance" the CFO meant offering a big cache sku too

[shell void]

i dunno wym

[topaz veldt]

do we think big cache could save intel gaming?

[steel stream]

it's just gotta compete with Zen6X3D, or at least get close

[topaz veldt]

so like... I usually close my laptops and slide them into 3D printed underdesk brackets i made, and plug in an USB-C/etc. for monitor so its out of sight out of mind but Apple can't do that. You have to plug in power, keyboard/mouse, and monitor, otherwise it won't do monitor output

[steel stream]

the issue is that most cpu reviews nowadays that people watch are all gaming content. If big cache replicates the performance leaps that X3D could do, I think YTers could sing some high praise

[shell void]

inb4 it wins by 15% and amd fans go back to their old sayings of "bruh it's a small difference nobody cares"

as was the case in ryzen 3000 days

[steel stream]

"ok but now compare power usage and temps 🤓 "

[shell void]

you cant just run one usb c cable to a dock or monitor?

[topaz veldt]

nah the MBP doesn't seem to want to charge thru and use video out and keeb/mouse in all over one

[steel stream]

I fear that even if Intel has a good launch, people will just always dislike them

[teal orbit]

if your cpu doesn't draw 350W in mprime small ffts then i don't wanna hear it

[shell void]

well i dont need people to love companies, but it is annoying when people lie or shill

[steel stream]

i meant dislike as in dislike the products, not the company

but yeah I get what you are saying

[shell void]

i assumed you could just run one cable to a monitor that has 90-140w usb power delivery + dp-alt

and then plug your keeb/mouse into the monitor

[topaz veldt]

that might be but i can't also run keeb/mouse with one cable

[steel stream]

fuck I fucked something up damn it

[shell void]

i don’t have any peripherals that connect with usb c 🥀

idk if i should blame apple for abandoning usb A or blame keeb/mouse companies for insisting on using usb A for high end products in 2025

[brittle trellis]

Desktops still often only have one C on the motherboard and one C on the case if you're lucky

[topaz veldt]

I am pleasantly surprised by the IO on my z890 apex

[steel stream]

I think I've got like 4 USB-C ports on my mobo

my rear IO is pretty solid

[brittle trellis]

z890
Yeah I'd fucking hope it has good IO

[shell void]

i think msi puts four usb c ports on the rear of their nicer boards now

it’s about time we get mice with receivers terminated to usb c so that they don’t require dongles to be used with many laptops

[brittle trellis]

You nerds with higher end boards aren't representative of the normal computers

[steel stream]

💪

[brittle trellis]

That would make sense

But still cheaper laptops often only have 1 and it's probably for charging aswell

[topaz veldt]

Hmm @shell void this ProArt monitor does have USB-C DP Alt Mode

so I prob need a special cable for that yeah

[steel stream]

oh shit I only have two LOL

but i have ⚡ lightning gaming⚡

[steel stream]

where's that mobo that is oops all USB-C

[wheat void]

I swear everybody got optical audio but me

[steel stream]

I no longer use optical audio so

[wheat void]

Still using cheapass analog converter

[steel stream]

yeah I've got a good DAC now

[wheat void]

What outputs that dac got

[steel stream]

I mean it's just built into my amp, but it's got an RCA preamp out which I use for my desktop speakers

[random flame]

Ooooo I remember these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms8uu0zeU88

[odd sable]

oh, that reminds me, second TC video to watch today

[granite dirge]

i really hope i get the job i applied for... working at ikea would be so fun

[odd sable]

that one came out as i was finishing up the cat video, but had to go to work...

[steel stream]

till you get lost in it's maze of halls and corridors for eternity

[vagrant cargo]

whats this i hear about amd and them buying a ai company?

[pure garnet]

i mean they already were one so not surprising

[steel stream]

I know they invested in OpenAI a bit, haven't heard about them buying one

[vagrant cargo]

i can see this really working in amds favour for the new gen gpus

[steel stream]

What company did they buy

[vagrant cargo]

if they add or collab with open ai with their gpus it could be a postive

[steel stream]

eh it's kinda nothing compared to NVIDIA

AMD did $5B, NVIDIA did $100B

[vagrant cargo]

i know but them having something like that to add to their next gpus or even improve fsr

could really give them a foot hold

[steel stream]

they're just collaborating with OpenAI to give them GPUs, OpenAI isn't really helping them develop GPUs I think

[vagrant cargo]

maybe, maybe not

but it is interesting because in my opinion amd could use ai in their next gen gpus to maybe create a card on same level as the 80 to 90 gpus that nvidia normaly does

im curious next gen if amd is gonna still only do low to mid end gaming gpus or if they are gonna try and directly compete

so take over the market in stages, grab shares from low to mid end area then go for high end

[steel stream]

it'll probably be low to mid end GPUs

even if they do a higher end GPU, I don't see it competiting with a 90 Class card

[brisk jolt]

i sold my AMD stocks at 225 then it went 240 like… right after i went to sleep lmfao

[vagrant cargo]

well in my opinion it depends on the tech they use and ai because amd wouldnt just invest in a ai company and not try to utilize that partnership for their own gpus unless their gonna use it for cpus

[pure garnet]

how is large language models making the gpu die faster

[steel stream]

it's not the fairest comparison but like XTX was 9000 Shading units, the 4090 was 16000. AMD hasn't released a high end competitve GPU in a while

[pure garnet]

the amd stock with openai thing was that they sold them shares extremely cheap as a thank you for placing an order for a giant quantity of instinct cards

[steel stream]

Large language models will not do that

LLMs != DLSS or FSR

[brisk jolt]

their growth is literal just openAI glaze

[vagrant cargo]

i think if amd did do a high end competitive gpu it would work in their favour at least from a market stand point imagine they make a gpu with slightly less power than a 90 card nvidia normally does but charge lets say like 1,500 for it

[dreamy grove]

Would it be better to get MacBook Air with 24gb of ram and 512gb ssd and bigger screen or base MacBook Pro

[pure garnet]

i'd personally get the pro for the miniled display

[vagrant cargo]

most people would go for the one that costs 1,500 because the jump in performance probably wont be lets say above 25 percent

[steel stream]

It won't be slightly less power though

[pure garnet]

why would they charge $1500 when they can charge $1800

they're not gonna match and massively undercut because that's leaving money on the table

[steel stream]

AMD is a fan of high profit margins

[dreamy grove]

Is the screen on pro that much better than a bigger Mac book air screen

[pure garnet]

no they're about the same size

14 inch vs 13.3 iirc

[dreamy grove]

I was going to get 15 inch air

[pure garnet]

then it's about an inch smaller

[dreamy grove]

I’ve upgraded it so it would be the same price as pro

Ok I’m asking is it worth having a smaller screen with the pro for the better display

[vagrant cargo]

for me at ces im very interested what intel and amd bring gpu wise, im curious if intel will try and go for some of the high end market

[pure garnet]

to me? yes

[random flame]

And so far has proven to be getting good at getting them in whichever way that works best.

[pure garnet]

intel can't go for a market they can't make a card for

[teal orbit]

air isn't miniled?

[pure garnet]

no it's ips still

[teal orbit]

erm acktually miniLED is also ips 🤓

[random flame]

Which strangely involves actually giving us down here and the businesses up there actually good products to some extent?

[steel stream]

mostly in their CPUs, pennies on the dollar

[pure garnet]

boba means dork in english

[teal orbit]

i think it means balls

[pure garnet]

@dreamy grove

personally i'd get the pro for the display quality but i'd go in person to a best buy or something if possible and see if you like the size

[random flame]

I say strangely, mostly because half the time with the major companies, you'd nowadays tend to expect something half-assed in quality and overpriced anyway.

[random flame]

And pretty good ones for scale too.

[vagrant cargo]

i have a filling amd is gonna pull something thats gonna catch nvidia off guard, well i hope they do

[random flame]

Though as much as some rumors are hard to believe to be potentially a thing... I wonder if the chances of them using Intel's foundry would result in something interesting.

[vagrant cargo]

because imagine if they do get back into the high end card making and undercut nvidia price wise, its gonna give them great news coverage and pr from various tech review companys most likely linus tech tips

[random flame]

There was a strong reason for them never using Intel that normally would change up over the years.

[teal orbit]

warship bugged my message and it can't be deleted

[vagrant cargo]

someone i know said it be interesting if intel collabed with amd to make a high end card, its very doubtful but would be a interesting thing to happen if it did

[steel stream]

If AMD ever used Intel Foundry's I'd be sad because I love Intel lol

[vagrant cargo]

worse thing i have ever owned from intel was my first ever pc was a prebuilt and had one of intels crappy air coolers in it

[random flame]

The first one we started with was just originally Intel made stuff only for themselves and their own products with partnerships made (like with Apple, MS, and so on) being for their chip designs manufactured in their processes.

[shell void]

that would be an intel win bro, more intel revenue

[steel stream]

I just see them taking the mid range market tbh, I don't think AMD will get close for a while, especially since they really love Ryzen instead

[random flame]

Then that changed and then it was just because the two of them were obviously heated rivals.

[steel stream]

true, but it would feel wrong

[shell void]

tbh im an intel foundry shill not an intel design firm shill

an amd cpu fabbed by IFS would be cool

[steel stream]

IFS > Intel Design, but I still like both

I still prefer Intel Designs over Ryzen and TR

[random flame]

And then the third one, closest to recent after Intel finally opened up their foundries, AMD's engineers knocked Intel's processes for "not being good enough".

[steel stream]

nah 18A and 14A on top

[steel stream]

I would be sad if AMD used IFS to make a CPU bottlenecked by infinity fabric

[random flame]

Now... That rumor that I'm certain I might have heard once in my lifetime and only as a misunderstanding originally (back with the Canyons and the first mini pcs out of Intel that AMD provided graphics chips for) is somehow now about AMD potentially considering them.

Honestly, if it happens... I'd be impressed they even got that far to begin with.

[vagrant cargo]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/graphics-cards/amd-reckons-its-next-gen-gpus-will-beat-nvidia-at-any-sort-of-ai-workload-and-were-praying-that-rubs-off-on-the-companys-gaming-graphics-cards/

just came across this

[random flame]

Well they were going off their reputation with the 14+'s and 10A's years of production issues.

[final glacier]

openai seems to be betting on it

[steel stream]

seeing is believing

[random flame]

Since those were the only two set in stone as their current bleeding edge at the time of that comment the AMD rep made.

[vagrant cargo]

at best amd is gonna probably have a great showing at ces 2026

[random flame]

18A Intel was still trying to get going at the time when it is was said to my recall.

[steel stream]

We aren't expected cool hardware till late 2026/2027

[vagrant cargo]

feels like just a few months ago it was ces 2025 but that was back in janruary , this year shot by

[random flame]

So I figured they didn't much hopes in them enough to consider for... Well, anything that wasn't stuck on their older nodes.

[steel stream]

iirc 18A yields were being reported improperly, and they are much better than what was actually said

[random flame]

Though if the rumors do end up being true... Then I kinda wanna know what AMD's people might end up choosing to partner with IFS for.

[shell void]

yeah it was so bad that pat gelsinger had to personally go on twitter and post "you guys have no idea what youre talking about, yields arent even represented as percentages"

[steel stream]

God I miss Pat

[shell void]

there have been SO MANY "18A sucks!!!!" articles posted by media outlets that have no idea what theyre talking about

[teal orbit]

what are they represented as

[shell void]

defect density

how many defects per silicon area on average

[teal orbit]

is there like a standard silicon area size

[shell void]

you can use a percentage if you specify a chip design and performance target, but otherwise a percentage on its own is meaningless

[teal orbit]

oh that makes more sense

[random flame]

Honestly, when all that was going, I was kinda in the dark and being all like "this sounds like an early mass production phase thing and nobody's giving them a chance really so they can prove otherwise if there isn't any, so I'm just... Gonna give the benefit of the doubt for now."

[shell void]

outlets were just throwing 10% out with no other information

no info on what chip was being made or its targets

completely meaningless figure

[random flame]

I had some thoughts that they might've had issues, but with how people were knocking it, part of me didn't take it that seriously.

[teal orbit]

it still seems liek it's supposed to be a percentage, plus with the info of what exactly theyre fabbing

[shell void]

IIRC Broadcomm was testing out 18A at that time, and their switch chips are basically reticle limit in size

if the 10% came from only 10% of those ~750mm chips coming out flawless then that would make sense

but the outlets provided no info so we have no idea

[teal orbit]

retical?

[steel stream]

hold on let me find you a video

[random flame]

Because frankly it wasn't like they had anyone seriously working things out with them to become a customer anyway it seemed like besides Broadcom, at least to consider them anyway.

So it just felt like really they weren't giving IFS a chance regardless and media was just doing it's usual of beatdowns with little evidence to go off of.

[shell void]

lithography reticle limit, it defines the max size that a single chip can be

the larger you make a chip the worse the yields are, especially if youre not allowing for defects

[steel stream]

https://youtu.be/B2482h_TNwg?si=urDpSMs1tv4Fxqn_ Recommend this video

[vagrant cargo]

ai been used to boost production times? or stuff like that i mean if nvidia, intel or even amd do that we could see maybe more gpus or even more varietys of gpus with nvidia this could mean we see a super card half a year before the next line releases

[teal orbit]

it shall go on my watch later list that is 3k videos long

[vagrant cargo]

i mean i can see how ai would help production wise but it probably will lead to more faulty gous

gpus*

[shell void]

vibe coded gpu drivers 🔥

[teal orbit]

can't be worse than amd already is

[steel stream]

legit I think 50 series drivers was a test for this

[shell void]

nothing has been worse than 50 series was from january to may

[steel stream]

full tin foil hat

[devout ridge]

"more faulty GPUS" would completely nullify any production benefits

[shell void]

yeah idk how else it couldve ended up so badly

[random flame]

AMD's gotten a lot better these days.

[steel stream]

I would ask Mark but that's def gotta be some NDA shit lol

[random flame]

Nvidia's fine still too, but then like... That fumble with 50 series really burned everyone somewhat.

[devout ridge]

outdated joke, AMD hasn't had driver issues in years

NVIDIA has had more serious driver issues more recently than AMD

[shell void]

adrenalin still sucked when i switched off of my 6900xt earlier this year

[heavy spire]

Heard rumors years ago about Nvidia experimenting with AI coded drives

[random flame]

And then AMD chose the right time to really buckle down and fix all the issues before release instead of trying to beat Nvidia to the market again.

[heavy spire]

Or AI optimized drivers

[steel stream]

it was def 50 series drivers

[teal orbit]

maybe. it's still terrible especially on 7040 series mobile, especially on linux

[random flame]

As for Intel, I'm honestly just glad for them having figured out some of the driver overhead problems.

[teal orbit]

i suppose it could be the "same" driver issues but still they are happening today

[random flame]

And that's just for Battlemage. Next up is Celestial, since the igpu for that will be coming first.

[vagrant cargo]

what is intels next couple of gpus anyways?

[steel stream]

Xe3 iGPU out

Intel is speaking more about PTL recently

[teal orbit]

i'm wishing for an intel GPU that's an upgrade from my 6800xt but that might be a pipe dream

[random flame]

Celestial and Druid.

[steel stream]

Yeah I don't think we know anything past Druid

[random flame]

Though if we'll even get to Druid will depend on how well they do.

[steel stream]

Arc is staying as iGPUs for a long while I think

[hoary hatch]

Literally tomorrow

[random flame]

Anything past it... Yeah, they didn't plan that far into the future from the start and if things don't improve, they might drop dedicated altogether and stick to integrated as they've always been.

[steel stream]

the Xe iGPUs are kicking it

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/giddy-grin-smile-gif-13354595

https://tenor.com/view/giggling-kicking-feet-giggling-and-kicking-my-feet-teehee-on-my-puter-gif-18200422943103727659

[teal orbit]

i always forget the names so i call it Castlemage

[shell void]

i think the continuation of arc dGPUs depends on how well their workstation cards sell

[steel stream]

the workstation stuff seems awesome, but idk how enterprise is gonna react

[shell void]

jaguar shores my beloved

[steel stream]

If we are lucky we get Celestial dGPUs, Druid is a coin toss

[random flame]

I imagine they not only will stick around, but will end up becoming about as huge to compete with what AMD's pushing now. Will be hard to do, but I can't see them not seeing that and deciding to avoid addressing that part of the space.

[steel stream]

tbf 12 Xe2 cores in the iGPU is already kicking ass

[shell void]

gold chips are so pretty

[shell void]

lunarlake has 8 Xe2 and beats zen5+rdna3.5 chips in mobile so itll be cool to see how 12 Xe3 does

[random flame]

I forget if those specific ones had the tensors and rt cores in them.

[shell void]

rdna4 was a massive improvement over rdna3 so i hope xe3 is a big improvement too

[steel stream]

oh shit I forgot it was 8

[steel stream]

Xe2 was a pretty decent jump too

[random flame]

Don't forget though: AMD still has UDNA coming very soon.

[steel stream]

🥱

[shell void]

not very soon

[random flame]

Well... Still.

[shell void]

as far as i know the first wave of zen 6 chips are still using rdna3.5 graphics XDDDDDD

that disappoints me greatly

[heavy spire]

From what I've heard UDNA wont reach 90 class levels, but its raytracing will at least be around blackwell levels

[steel stream]

Everyday I wake up and I am happy I have a CPU with QSV

[random flame]

And then of course... Nvidia's igpus...
I'm just throwing them in because eventually they might do something? I dunno. They're just... There as usual, just to be there.

[steel stream]

AMD is not touching 90 class for a while

[pure garnet]

i hope they buff the igpu in the desktop ryzen chips a lot because the one on zen 4 is barely useable even for desktop tasks

[shell void]

i know the iGPU in zen 6 desktop is rdna3.5 for sure, and i think the first wave of zen 6 laptop chips is also rdna3.5 which is the more damning fault

[random flame]

Eh, as far as integrated goes, the only one I'm interested in seeing for a real showcase will come from console as usual. I wanna see what we get out of the PS6's apu, especially given it's cpu choice.

[heavy spire]

For gaming? Probably not, but might be some workloads where it shines

[steel stream]

AMD APUs are pretty good, when they throw a good amount of wattage at it...

I like AMD APUs but still needs some work

[random flame]

The gpu I know is just basically following the same pattern as what they started with jumping from the PS4: the count of units/CUs in the gpu on the Pro model will become the count for the base model in the next system to come, then they just do it on the next graphics arch with different design optimizations and then update the API for it.

[shell void]

i wonder if $INTC will hit $45 tomorrow

[steel stream]

me when Intel PTL talk

[shell void]

cant wait for my pantherlake laptop that akn will buy for me

[random flame]

The cpu choice meanwhile honestly caught me lil' off gaurd, considering Cerny and co. helped architect the next apus using a new bridge. That big one was three chiplets pretty much with a massive gpu, and then a cpu with 3 Zen 5 cores and 11 Zen 5c cores.

[steel stream]

Can't wait for my pantherlake laptop that michael will buy for me

Ill buy yours if you buy mine

[random flame]

But then for the PS6's apu, they went with just Zen 5c and 5lp cores.

[steel stream]

PS5 Pro APU is funky as fuck lol

[random flame]

And it was 11 total with one 5c core disabled.

[steel stream]

Mark Cerny is a funny guy

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/macron-thick-walking-wide-macron-wide-macron-walking-gif-17545021

[steel stream]

cause the GPU in PS5 Pro is like 3 different RDNA techs right?

[random flame]

But it does fit a theme going on, one that's been there since the PS4.

[steel stream]

what time is the intel talk tomorrow?

[random flame]

Somewhat? It's RDNA2 still, just with RDNA4 rt algorithms, which is just a fix and more of RDNA3 architecturally anyway.

[steel stream]

Mark Cerny was on crack making that

[random flame]

So raster and compute is RDNA2, and then rt is just RDNA4.

[shell void]

9am

[steel stream]

EST?

[random flame]

Oh and then a WGP count increase.

[shell void]

yah 9 est

[steel stream]

sweet

I'll be getting back from the gym tomorrow at that time

[random flame]

Giving us 54 CUs, up from 36 CUs, which is the same count of CUs in the PS4 Pro.

The PS6 now will also recieve 54 CUs.

[random flame]

Originally, devs (specifically triple A) wanted a 16 core cpu... Which wasn't cost effective. So Sony asked AMD to give them 8 and had to be space and energy efficient so the design wasn't a complete hotbox. Thus, they used Jaguar arch.

Then came the PS5 and they decided to do similar again, this time with Zen 2 cores... That they stripped down the SIMD registers in for space savings.

[steel stream]

Ah but not broadcasted, just like a Press Release

[topaz veldt]

whats the topic(s)

[random flame]

Technically, what they requested from AMD that time is essentially one of the earliest forms of "C cores" to ever exist, but not involving cutting the cache only.

[steel stream]

mostly just PTL (laptop stuff) afaik

[topaz veldt]

lame 🙁

[random flame]

So now, to me, it just sounds like Cerny decided that now that AMD has C cores for Zens 4 and 5, they'll just use those because they do to the same effect what he and company requested back with the PS5's cpu.

Just this time, they'll at least give a full 8 cores for devs to use, rather than a 4+4 with extra steps and maybe one unusable for system reasons.

The two 5lp cores will basically do what that Marvell ARM chip that existed outside of the apus for both the PS4s and 5s in terms of system management.

[steel stream]

nah man it's totally cool and awesome I swear

just trust me bro

[random flame]

Which essentially means they can:

• Cut out having two arches to bother programming with.
• Can keep the OS contained to one cpu instead of two.
• System-allocated ram can now be properly segmented instead of having two separate memory sub-systems to have to pay for.

[topaz veldt]

I trust you thats why I am asking.... is this cable DP Alt mode capable? https://a.co/d/h99MiNy

[shell void]

these two

[brisk jolt]

50/50 either it does or it doesnt

[topaz veldt]

Miguel is that a DP Alt mode cable

[frail marlin]

will my 550w psu be enough for a 5070 + 5600x

[topaz veldt]

yup

[shell void]

how long does your cable need to be? will 4 feet work?

[frail marlin]

u sure?

[topaz veldt]

I'd have to measure - why

[frail marlin]

im getting a lot of mixed answers like i tried different psu calculators and one tells me its enough and the other says its not enough
i check on the website of the gpu and it says minimum 750w psu

[shell void]

this is the king daddy version of what you want, but it's only 4 feet because that's the max that the official standard allows for a passive copper cable https://www.amazon.com/Club-3D-CAC-1570-Certified-Type-C®/dp/B0DN6FT9FQ

[topaz veldt]

I'll order that and make it work

[slim pebble]

One of the mods on the GN discord just had their 4090 melt connector. I wouldn’t call 12VHPWR melting uncommon either, the spec is horrible.

[brisk jolt]

Some guy using the fuckass msi one had his melted back in July and now again

[slim pebble]

The GN discord mod was using a gigabyte windforce with a water block on it.

He ended up fixing it himself, soldered on a new connector.

[topaz veldt]

nice

that's what I'd do

[brisk jolt]

Where’s the connector from? directly from PSU?

[autumn rain]

Love hearing that after I upgraded to a 5080 lol

[topaz veldt]

5080 won't melt nothing

[autumn rain]

that's my general understanding, but a bad connector is a bad connector

[brisk jolt]

Unless you OC it to 450w theres like 0 chance, the 5080 doesnt have the capability to use all 450w anyway

These just sound straight up unlucky

[autumn rain]

That's what I'm thinking

5080 was plenty for me, and I got it for a decent deal of like 850usd or so refurb. Held up great so far.

[slim pebble]

I guess the hardest part is removing the old connector and all of the old solder.

Like getting to that point here is like 90% of the problem

[teal orbit]

one of those solder suckers could come in handy

[topaz veldt]

you have to use low melt solder to wick it away

[shell void]

RTINGS casually dropping bands on fridges to test

apparently the Bosch 500 is goated

[brisk jolt]

doing sidequests for 100% game achievement

[shell void]

it's $3200

[shell void]

fr they just be reviewing everything

[teal orbit]

rtings reviews keyboard switches now too

[brisk jolt]

keyboard switches are cheap compared to fucking fridges

[shell void]

bbaovanc is my favorite keyswitch reviewer

[brittle trellis]

Buy once, cry once

$160/year if it lasts 20 years

[topaz veldt]

That's a value 😬

[shell void]

dont you dare come into this chat to flex your refrigerator bro

[topaz veldt]

Lol

[shell void]

you have a 5-figure luxury refrigerator, don't you?

youre banned

you probably have a frickin built-in

[topaz veldt]

I have a massive fridge ya

I don't think it was over 10k

[topaz veldt]

Our other fridge is more reasonable

Big fridge in main kitchen is Electrolux double

[shell void]

ive been watching videos about built-in fridges for the last ten minutes

[topaz veldt]

Other kitchen / setup is GE Cafe

[shell void]

like this? that's cool beans

[topaz veldt]

ya

[shell void]

this is a bigger flex than your 5090s

[teal orbit]

This is bait

but lichicx raw big bump is the best if you can find them in stock anymore because apparently there's still stock floating around

[whole coral]

The fridge in this home lol

[whole coral]

Gas stovetop lol

[topaz veldt]

?

[topaz veldt]

yeah?

[vale cosmos]

got a nice piece of analog tech today!

[whole coral]

I so want to switch from gas stovetop to induction stovetop

Unfortunately I looked at the back of the gas stove and there’s no 50 amp plug

The breaker has 50 amp busbar but I don’t think the kitchen has a plug for it

[topaz veldt]

I have induction also

prefer gas

[vale cosmos]

i've found gas to be nicer to cook on

but i've also never used a nice induction

[shell void]

ive never used a gas stove

[vale cosmos]

i hate my current coil stovetop

[oak vector]

hallo

[topaz veldt]

so much nicer to do like stir fry, etc. on

[oak vector]

my iphone 12 unfortunately passed away the other day
but
I got hella nice people around me so I'm getting an iphone 14 pro max tmr hopefully 🫶

[topaz veldt]

@shell void I have a burner that holds a true wok, bowl bottom

[whole coral]

Gas >>> traditional electric though

Just better thermal control, etc

[oak vector]

oh for sure

[topaz veldt]

induction is not great imho

[whole coral]

Ehhh. Idk

[oak vector]

I have an old electric hotplate, I'd rather commit death than use it honestly.

Then the culinary school I'm attending rn has these epic gas jets holy crap

[topaz veldt]

I do though - I have both, basically don' tuse the induction range

[whole coral]

Wonder why you don’t use it

[oak vector]

Induction isn't actually awful in my experience
I'd take it over what I have now

[topaz veldt]

its not as good to cook on

[whole coral]

Hmm

[topaz veldt]

and you have to make sure your pans are ferrous

[whole coral]

Yeah there’s cookware capability

[brisk jolt]

would yall reco a overkill (for me, but scalable)mesh ethernet+extended wifi setup for $300 (2.5Gbps ports)
Or a powerline adapter for ethernet for $100 (1gbps ports)

Mainly want to get better stability over Wi-Fi, which powerline adapater achieves. Problem is the speed might lowk be slightly slower, same or only slightly higher compared to Wi-Fi

Mesh is way more expensive, but has more features and freedom to expand

[turbid locust]

Milage varies super hard with powerline depending on the wiring in your house

[brisk jolt]

Also the mesh is 3 pack for $300 (In my country’s pricing ofc)

[turbid locust]

Powerline was completely unusable for me

[brisk jolt]

Mine should be fine, its all one circuit

[turbid locust]

Mesh works great but why do you need 2.5g?

[brisk jolt]

Because the mesh comes with 2.5g ports

[turbid locust]

Any cheaper options with just gigabit?

[brisk jolt]

Like- I’d get higher speed and basically same consistent latency

[turbid locust]

do you actually use anything with 2.5g

Otherwise there’s really no point

[brisk jolt]

Yeah I dont really like my options

my room wifi also sucks shit for mobile use

[shell void]

you’re not allowed to have two stoves in ZTT buddy

[topaz veldt]

lol not at all

[brisk jolt]

I dont mind spending the $300 but its like

Ouch

[topaz veldt]

michael this house has two dish washers, range/range top, 2 ovens...

the guest addition has a full kitchen lol

[turbid locust]

There’s gotta be a cheaper option lmao

My TP-Link Deco mesh system was like $150

[brisk jolt]

There were- but for some reason market here from what I see is filled with Wifi 7 ones which my router is, but overkill lmfao

[whole coral]

I like the dishwasher in this home tbh

[turbid locust]

weird

[whole coral]

Insides

[grave lion]

@topaz veldt you still got that xtx?

[turbid locust]

That things long gone

[grave lion]

lowkey thinking of getting a new case + psu + wc kit

[shell void]

how much to rent the guest addition?

[grave lion]

pc doesnt feel fresh anymore and I think its become susceptible to power surges recently

[brisk jolt]

@turbid locust had to scroll damn far but I found a gigabit one, 3 pack for $100

[topaz veldt]

hell naw

[turbid locust]

what wifi version

[brisk jolt]

6

[turbid locust]

Mint

[topaz veldt]

we de-guested it, its just more house now - once we're done the patio we're going to de-2nd kitchen it

[grave lion]

gg
what'd you get rid of it for

[topaz veldt]

when i got rid of it I picked up a 4080 Super, but then I only kept that for a couple weeks and got a 4090, now 5090

[grave lion]

ballin

I just have an itch to build onto my current rig

[topaz veldt]

I'd get a 9070 XT

(which I also got, but sold)

[grave lion]

needa get a new case methinks

im still eyeing the y70

and some good EK kits

[topaz veldt]

EK stuff is hard to come by right now

I just bought the last EK Velocity 3 block in the US I think

[grave lion]

odd

didnt think that'd be an issue in the big 25

[turbid locust]

I want to watercool but like

[grave lion]

but yea lookin for a 1200w psu / y60 (maybe) / wc kit / block maybe

Just need to freshen up the build

not really tryna get rid of my 7900xtx

[brisk jolt]

What’d you get? Half of me says to agree and go through with the mesh while the other half wants overkill wf7

[turbid locust]

I got these https://a.co/d/59sp0kL

Water cooling seems really cool but the process seems miserable

[oak vector]

looks like my mum's
small

[hoary hatch]

I assume all the prime day whatever's are equal or worse than what we'll get next month

[brisk jolt]

What stings is that this kit locally costs the same as the Wifi-7 one

[turbid locust]

weird

[turbid locust]

Probably lol

[grave lion]

thats like half the fun

its like complicated Legos

[turbid locust]

The idea of having a silent system seems really nice but

The thought blocking a $2000 gpu stresses me out

[grave lion]

yeah thats my main thing
the xfx merc 310 model is HELLA loud

[topaz veldt]

I got semi bored recently and started custom looping my 285K/5090 build

[grave lion]

god that is sexy

you making me want to do it even more

wish the taichi wasnt 200$ above current retail price

are they don making those?

[topaz veldt]

they dont make any 7900 xtx any more

[grave lion]

god my spelling

[grave lion]

what

[topaz veldt]

nope

[grave lion]

what'd i miss lol

[topaz veldt]

everything you see is old stock

[grave lion]

did we get a 9090?

[topaz veldt]

the RX 9000 series lol

nah the 9070 XT is basically as fast or faster than 7900 XTX at only 325-340W

[grave lion]

damn

eh whatever its a 2 year old card ig

[topaz veldt]

ya

[grave lion]

wish we got performance though with the new gens

[topaz veldt]

well 9070 XT supports FSR4

[grave lion]

dont want to go nvidia, but will if I have to

[topaz veldt]

so thats kind of nice

[turbid locust]

blocks are pricey

[topaz veldt]

I bought a 9070 XT to play with for a bit it was decent

[grave lion]

eventually im sayin

I dont think I want to upgrade rn considering everything
but ive had a ton of issues on my gpu recently

[languid nimbus]

285k?

[topaz veldt]

ya

[languid nimbus]

Aren't they just laptop CPUs or I missed a generation

[topaz veldt]

not a laptop cpu

[languid nimbus]

Damn

[turbid locust]

cpu generation so underwhelming people don’t know wtf it is

[grave lion]

I just heard about it too

[languid nimbus]

Same applies to Ryzen im just a bit out of date on CPUs

[topaz veldt]

smokes my 9950X in R23

[turbid locust]

R23 is my favorite game

[languid nimbus]

With their AI Max 999 or whatever it is

[topaz veldt]

R23 is how I make my money

if its fast in R23 its fast in making me money

[turbid locust]

Are you using your systems at home for making money

[grave lion]

but can it run doom

[topaz veldt]

yes

[turbid locust]

Word

[topaz veldt]

I do moonlighting shit and yeah, main rigs are work rigs

[turbid locust]

hmmmm I’m intrigued

[topaz veldt]

side hustle brutha

[turbid locust]

put a brutha on

[topaz veldt]

y u think im on at 12:22AM lol

[brisk jolt]

Im sitting in the cafeteria going over my networking options

[grave lion]

because its 9:22pm

[topaz veldt]

sorry you guys lost tonight, go phils!

[grave lion]

timezones are a myth by big time to sell you more clocks

[grave lion]

what

[turbid locust]

Imagine they sold clocks by timezone tho lmfao

[topaz veldt]

apple would

[grave lion]

aight cyall later

[topaz veldt]

later yo

[grave lion]

by later I mean when I make a horrible financial decision

[turbid locust]

is it some magical shit

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[turbid locust]

I’m tryna put my 14900k to work bruv

[topaz veldt]

bro im doing sidework scripting shit for clients lol

[turbid locust]

oh shit that requires skill fuck

[topaz veldt]

ha yes

[turbid locust]

I need a marketable skill

I stumbled into a better job than i deserve and now im just… here

I eventually finish my degree I guess lmao

[brisk jolt]

im going insane

i think i forsake the R5 back to the R3 and get the overkill mesh

[turbid locust]

I mean it’s your money lol

[brisk jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766854199446863924/1213298486116618310/image0.gif

[wraith steeple]

[topaz veldt]

Nothing new

[livid flame]

And there’s me… when I get bored I eat

[grave lion]

ngl im obsessed
whats the part list for that

[scarlet iron]

How does DLSS override work like what does it do?

Is it like for example if a game has DLSS 2 it'll override it with DLSS 4?

[brisk jolt]

yeah its possible if the settings are configured for it

[scarlet iron]

I also read that it can include features like framegen and others how would you tune it's settings ? Nvidia app or Nvidia overlay

I doubt you can tune it through ingame settings

[lone scarab]

i set background apps fps to 20 on nvidia app and shit set curseforge fps to 20

🤔

even tho it wasnt in background

[scarlet iron]

Nvidia moment

[lone scarab]

also that

i forgot its name

i turned it on and it messed up with visuals

[scarlet iron]

Whatever you're doing also sounds unnecessary unless you're on laptop trying to save battery

[lone scarab]

i am on laptop but not saving battery

but yeah i was just trying it out

this

[scarlet iron]

Yummy my Z Flip 5 screen and other spare parts arrived today

[scarlet iron]

Sounds gay

[lone scarab]

at first it made stuff in games look way brighter then it messed up totally

[lone scarab]

😛

i sometimes am

[languid nimbus]

So your partially gay

[lone scarab]

sometimes for someone

i am straight but sometimes i am gay depending on the situation

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-sink-door-open-door-meme-gif-11027748423699535107

[languid nimbus]

Well Tbf you can be gay to get some advantages like free stuff from a parade

[lone scarab]

what parade

[languid nimbus]

A parade

[lone scarab]

ok

tho i am not gay

[languid nimbus]

You are sometimes

[lone scarab]

oh yeah i forgor

my bad

[languid nimbus]

So you are half and half

[lone scarab]

nah

i am 100% straight but sometimes im 25% gay

[grave lion]

me with the homies

[lone scarab]

i said sometimes

[languid nimbus]

How do I call this sexuality

[lone scarab]

you dont have to

[languid nimbus]

Three Quarter-to-gay

[lone scarab]

maybe

[languid nimbus]

My friends are so gay sometimes

[lone scarab]

they are straight

dw

gays have female friends

actually a good way of getting into female friend group

[scarlet iron]

Gay

[scarlet iron]

It's called bisexual

[topaz veldt]

so prob not the most appropriate convo

[scarlet iron]

that's what a gay person would say

[topaz veldt]

Lets get back to tech chat 2 please

or go back to TC1 with dumb shit 🙂

[lone scarab]

4 u

[stable turret]

just spent $5 (shipping included) and got those fans, lemme install them later and see if they improving my overclocking scores

[raw sierra]

hey quick question , buying a 2tb m.2 to replace my hard drive. any recommendations on what to use to migrate my data

[edgy laurel]

you mean your stress test.. results

When is the next Q&A? We have so much to learn from you

[grave lion]

yo spark

[edgy laurel]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8jmzd972leo

[daring bridge]

uh idc

[wise bear]

Noooot surpriiised

It was only a matter of time tbh

[devout ridge]

i sent in my ID the day after the leak thank god

[wise bear]

I've never had to send it

[devout ridge]

i got falsely banned for being underage, so i had to appeal

[wise bear]

Lol

[edgy laurel]

never provided my ID so w/e

at my age though, its a positive thing when you're carded 🤣

[daring bridge]

they also never asked me too (do they even need to in the EU?)

[daring bridge]

ye

[stable turret]

Prob in a few days but we are not sure

[wise bear]

I'm slowly not getting carded anymore :(

[stable turret]

Latest benchmark scores of NVIDIA vs AMD Radeon

Higher is better

[edgy laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-nicholas-cage-gif-13481115

[daring bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/love-death-robots-gif-10387649645616875075

[brisk jolt]

ig im buying a litre of isopropyl alcohol

[stable turret]

I just did it a few days and bought a lite of 99% isopropyl alcohol for $1

[brisk jolt]

and a litre of distilled water

[stable turret]

Are you trying to dump your gpu in the water and clean it?

[lone scarab]

lol

[brisk jolt]

nah imma get a year worth of tech cleaning

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-updates-gpu-roadmap-panther-lakes-graphics-confirmed-as-b-series-xe3p-listed-for-next-arc-family @shell void @hoary hatch hmm?

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-details-xe3-gpu-architecture-for-panther-lake-up-to-12-xe-cores-and-50-performance-vs-lunar-lake 50% increase, but you have 50% more GPU cores

[shell void]

5060 has 50% more shaders and rops than 5050, and they use a similar amount of power, but 5060 is only 25% more powerful

so there seems to be a decent uplift with Xe3

oh cool they announced XESS3 with MFG

doing something before and better than Radeon for the 5 millionth time

[slim solstice]

How to shift apps from one drive to another and the other drive has a windows install and i want to use the other install with all of the apps in my current

[edgy laurel]

Ok lets back up a second

(no pun intended)

[slim solstice]

?

[edgy laurel]

Installed applications, not games?

[slim solstice]

No game yeah

[edgy laurel]

So something you ran an installer for, picked the install location and so on?

[shell void]

okay but tom petersen how well does Xe3 run Wizard101?

[slim solstice]

I'll worry about mc

[wise bear]

?????

[slim solstice]

Yeah

No games only apps

[edgy laurel]

You don't, then. You install them on the other drive

[wise bear]

moving an installed app can very, very easily just break it

[slim solstice]

But I don't want to configure all the shit agian and there's some unobtainable apps in there

[slim solstice]

Im going to try easeus pc data transfer by putting the ssd in my laptop

[edgy laurel]

So determine how to backup settings, if its at all possible

[devout ridge]

often times app data isn't stored in a single directory, so you need to move lots of directories at once, and retain their locations

[edgy laurel]

So you're not asking how to move apps, you're asking how to clone a drive?

[devout ridge]

which is almost impossible other than just cloning the whole drive

[slim solstice]

Just wanted to check with the "
pros

[wise bear]

Every. day. is some new cryptic problem

[slim solstice]

Clone only the apps

[wise bear]

not possible.

[edgy laurel]

at least not for you

[slim solstice]

😭

[edgy laurel]

for this reason #tech-chat-2 message

Its far more trouble than its worth, which is why no one does it

[wise bear]

i swear if this is another "client" hard drive

[slim solstice]

Just need 4 percent cpu and 10 percent ram instead of 90 percent idle and 40 percent ram

[edgy laurel]

what

[wise bear]

Ditto, what

[slim solstice]

My install is so fucked up

[wise bear]

because you keep fucking with it

[edgy laurel]

well thats easy to solve..

[slim solstice]

That my cpu idles at 90 and my ram idels at 80

[edgy laurel]

90 what

[wise bear]

how do you trash an install of windows when I've been running 11 since 6mo after it launched with no reinstall

[slim solstice]

I have stopped doing my experiment after the pandemic ended

[wise bear]

you tried to """"debloat"""" windows didn't you

[slim solstice]

Good pc? My pc from 2016 i don't meet req

[slim solstice]

How do you expect a 10 year old at that time to debloat windows

And i want to use atlasos

[wise bear]

we've seen worse here.

god dammit EVERY DAY with this shit

why us, why tc2

[edgy laurel]

someone needs to take the internet away from this one and hand them a locked down tablet

[slim solstice]

I have already installed atlas os on the other drive

[wise bear]

then you're def not cloning apps

[opaque spindle]

Does anyone know why my monitor gets no signal during windows updates or restarts? It works perfectly fine when booten up as a startup

[edgy laurel]

HDMI?

[opaque spindle]

Yea

Both monitors on hdmi

[wise bear]

That sure is a name

(totally not appropriate for this server though)

[opaque spindle]

(:

[opaque spindle]

Can't change it

[edgy laurel]

Windows treats HDMI as a second class citizen in my experience

[wise bear]

<@&750150305383186585> name change required for user above

i got u

[opaque spindle]

Mobo gives a yellow light during it btw

[slim solstice]

And uh im on a channel of insider that won't let me quit without clean reset

[opaque spindle]

Yeah just get rid of the tits

[slim solstice]

Is thatvga error?

[edgy laurel]

Its quite annoying as my primary display is HDMI but my secondary is DP. If I need to get into the BIOS, oftentimes i'm looking at my secondary monitor sideways (since its vertical)

[wise bear]

someone if you can't help yourself stop trying to help others

[opaque spindle]

So how do I fix it do you know?

[slim solstice]

Wait do you have a smaller display in the pc?

[opaque spindle]

I don't think recent mobos have vga

[edgy laurel]

no. update GPU drivers, see if it occurs with only one display physically connected. just some things to try and learn more about whats going on

[opaque spindle]

Like a led screen or smth? If yes then no

[slim solstice]

By vga i mean display

[slim solstice]

Oh k

[wise bear]

#tech-chat-2 message

Stop.

[slim solstice]

Nah id win

[opaque spindle]

Says it's up to date

[slim solstice]

Mabye try to clean install ur drivers and

[opaque spindle]

I restarted with only only one monitor didn't work on both (didn't give a signal to neither when doing it solo)

[slim solstice]

Try a clean install

[wise bear]

heed your own advice

[opaque spindle]

Yeah idk works perfectly fine when cold booten up

[wise bear]

its probably just some device ID enumeration issue

[edgy laurel]

ok

[opaque spindle]

What's that

[wise bear]

windows display manager likes to be cranky sometimes about multi-display setups

[slim solstice]

I shall deny your forced advice

[shell void]

good content to watch today 🙏

[slim solstice]

But thank you for looking out for e

[slim solstice]

Oh yeah did y'all know that Intel made a new lineup of CPUs with only
y performance cores and so far it's only for soldered on type

[opaque spindle]

So like what do I do?

[wise bear]

well, if it continues to work outside of the update screen, is there really any reason to worry?

[slim solstice]

What if the update failed

[opaque spindle]

I mean it's just annoying yk? If there is an easy fix then yeah if not ig not

[steel stream]

Ok cool, I am super interested in seeing the arch differences between Xe2 and Xe3 if both are still battlemage family

[steel stream]

ok sweet

[wise bear]

no trust i get the annoyance factor but I think this is just one of those things you gotta put up with from windows unfortunately

I get quirky shit like mislabeled displays and games hooking to the wrong monitor

[opaque spindle]

Yea I do got a guarantee at the shop so I think I'll take it for them to test some stuff out when I got a time or unless it gets fixed by itself. Cause I can't open the pc up or guarantee gonna get like cancelled

[shell void]

16 core PTL my beloved

with lpcamm fire

[steel stream]

oh shit there are lpcamm versions?

[wise bear]

sorry what, there's already a revision 2 to wifi7?

le excuse

[steel stream]

I would be super interested in a 8c 12Xe core variant

[shell void]

i have no idea what it adds

[grave lion]

one more wifi

[shell void]

no you need all the corez bro

[south shuttle]

you gotta consider what it removes*

and that’s the green paper in your wallet

[steel stream]

true

[grave lion]

what use is the green paper anymore sir

need more wifi

[wise bear]

green paper buys green flower

[shell void]

WE yes WE need it

[grave lion]

TRUE

[south shuttle]

green flower maple leavy good

(-100% not a joke)

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/wolverine-xmen-bath-water-hugh-jackman-gif-17646804

18A MENTIONED

[grave lion]

I caved n bought an O11 wish me luck ladies n lads

[wise bear]

since financial institutions are such sticklers and buzzkills, near 100% of dispensaries have to operate on cash

oh but you're allowed to have an atm on premises

[devout ridge]

I mean any funds they accept related to dispensaries aren't backed by the FDIC since it's still federally illegal

It's an issue with the federal government more than the banks themselves

[shell void]

oh interestingly

[wise bear]

that carrot in the oval office had better reclass it to class 1

[shell void]

the 4 Xe3 core tile on the shittier pantherlake chip is fabbed with Intel 3

[steel stream]

wack

[shell void]

i’d like to see them put out dGPUs made with IFS

[wise bear]

was ist ifs

[steel stream]

Intel Foundry Service

dGPUs made with intel fabs essentially

instead of TSMC

[wise bear]

Ohhh

i was thinking like, integrated file structures

[steel stream]

Just the 🐐 Intel Foundry Service

I like to see that they addressed scheduling

even though idk what it means

[grave lion]

all the cores

and if one doesnt work in production they should sell it as a lower tiered product

[gentle gale]

16 cores
shit now i want to wait 😭

i'm pretty sure mtl had some sort of lpcamm support already

[brisk jolt]

bold. and stupid

https://tenor.com/view/walking-by-adam-smasher-cyberpunk2077-walking-past-running-past-you-gif-26926773

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-discusses-next-gen-rdna-tech-with-radiance-cores-neural-arrays-and-universal-compression tf is mark cerny doing here

[brisk jolt]

oh great lets call it radiant cores and make it have 0 more actual purposes behind it

[grave lion]

you've never met me

[wise bear]

buuut you bought an o11

[grave lion]

I had a 1030 until 2024

[wise bear]

Objection, relevance?

[grave lion]

relevance is i can buy whatever i want

[brisk jolt]

ok then go buy a 5090

[grave lion]

thats on the list

[brisk jolt]

u said on the list- not that ur gonna get it

[grave lion]

..

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/muhehe-cat-muhehe-muhehehe-cat-muhehehe-smirk-cat-muhehe-gif-17142133339517585968

[grave lion]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-black-guy-homeless-guy-gif-12306843104510607338

[brisk jolt]

u bought an o11 u cant fight for shit

[grave lion]

also smallnail has an o11 blame him

[brisk jolt]

opinion(s) rejected

[grave lion]

you dont have bread in your name

opinion invalidated

[hoary hatch]

INTEL FABBED GPU TILES?!

[grave lion]

its nvidover

[brisk jolt]

Its time for me to hunt for 10gbps broadband