although qvl is for 9500 but
#tech-chat-2
pure garnet
tbf 8k seems fine
running 6400mt with 200s mode off and getting the fps of a 12900k 🤑
topaz veldt
on a 4 DIMM mid board I'd expect 7600
you might be able to do 8000
after 8000 you're competing with Apex/OCF board stability
pure garnet
surprised the master is a mid board
topaz veldt
All 4 DIMMers are suspect
pure garnet
i have a 970 in my closet
frank cypress
i have a 970 in my closet
its where it belongs
pure garnet
i think i paid 40 bucks for it
arctic bronze
unironically using Maxwell v2 in 2025
Whys that lol
shell void
xeon 7 CWF announced
arctic bronze
i have a 970 in my closet
I have a gt210 somewhere
shell void
12x 24-core 18A chiplets 
pure garnet
i owned a gt710 for all of 30 minutes to use for macos but the outputs were too dated even for 2019
arctic bronze
12x 24-core 18A chiplets <:LETSGO:811384045970784287>
But its intel 🙂↕️
arctic bronze
i owned a gt710 for all of 30 minutes to use for macos but the outputs were too ...
I also have a 710 lmao
arctic bronze
only available gpu rn
Didnt you have like 3 2080ti?
merry stirrup
I also have a 710 lmao
mines better
frank cypress
or dead
merry stirrup
Didnt you have like 3 2080ti?
😔 dont bring it up
frank cypress
😔 dont bring it up
🥀
merry stirrup
ennui teach me how to explode
arctic bronze
ennui teach me how to explode
Step 1: explode
merry stirrup
oh thanks
frosty prism
mines better
mine does not even have a fan
merry stirrup
mine does loser
merry stirrup
mines racist
arctic bronze
It loves to race!?!?
frank cypress
ennui teach me how to explode
6 morbillion volts
merry stirrup
no its eally slow at that
frank cypress
vcore
merry stirrup
oh okay
arctic bronze
well it's a gt730
Imagine not having the superior gt710
frank cypress
I still need to ship my gt610
arctic bronze
Poor
pure garnet
265k and master calling to me like the goblin
frank cypress
265k and master calling to me like the goblin
no balls
pure garnet
it would be so good 🥀
arctic bronze
If you dont own decade+ old hardware for fun, you are poor and should explode
merry stirrup
this is real
arctic bronze
🤩
frank cypress
i need to look at the only game i play's performance with it before i order
nuh uh
pure garnet
i can't just pull up the gn video either because the benchmark doens't match in game perf
frank cypress
265k for optimal discord chatting experience
frank cypress
holy fuck im getting old
I cant bend over and touch my ankles no more
my back is too stiff
💀
frank cypress
it would in fact be joever
merry stirrup
what if i end up with mac bin 265k
0 oc?
shell void
almost all arrowlake cpus have mac bin pcores
shell void
is good game
pure garnet
i just won't play it
shell void
i wonder if other cpus will be announced today too
shell void
i wonder if other cpus will be announced today too
okay i found the schedule and no they won’t
amd and nvidia are going to self glaze themselves but aren’t launching new stuff
pure garnet
next business day air
merry stirrup
this mac signature better be good
pure garnet
i've had to install 3 linux systems back to back
first week of classes is so fun yippie
brisk jolt
amd and nvidia are going to self glaze themselves but aren’t launching new stuff
wow
just wow -_-
shell void
@topaz veldt some new toys for your datacenter
topaz veldt
<@257554812013379587> some new toys for your datacenter
what is this
merry stirrup
100 million cores
shell void
it’s the next gen of xeon that was just announced today
topaz veldt
interdasting
shell void
the efficiency core variant of xeon 7
fringe vigil
Snail
topaz veldt
I am prob skipping 8000 M/Ts because its limited to 512GB
shell void
18A RAHHHH
topaz veldt
brought to you by TSMC
shell void
afaik this is 100% intel fab
intel 18a compute chiplets, intel 3 base tile, and intel 7 I/O
topaz veldt
it says 2 x 12 channel 8000 but xeon 6 is limited to 2 dimms per channel, 512GB
shell void
_brought to you by TSMC_
brought to you by our Lord and Savior Saint Patrick Gelsinger The Apostle
random flame
12x 24-core 18A chiplets <:LETSGO:811384045970784287>
I honestly forgot what project Clearwater Forest was meant to be.
And if it was one that ever got axed or something.
devout ridge
old xeons my beloved
topaz veldt
snail how’s mafia toc
bro im like 30 mins in and then i went to play the other day and for some Geforce Now game didn't fully sync to my Steam, so its like behind, so I stopped
fringe vigil
🤦♂️
topaz veldt
That laptop can run mafia lol
through Geforce Now, that's my macbook pro 14 M4
fringe vigil
What res 1080p?
edgy laurel
I don't think he knows what GeForce Now is
edgy laurel
No, not really. Its a streaming service
fringe vigil
Yeah I know
green marsh
wasn't this the board that was shown here yesterday ? https://www.techpowerup.com/340298/industrial-itx-motherboard-from-dfi-surfaces-with-intels-upcoming-panther-lake-processor
hoary hatch
Michael posted it
hoary hatch
i need a ptl-p laptop
4+8+4+12 in P variant TDP and laptop build would be sweet
frank cypress
its just like gaming on a local PC
it was really good a few years ago
when it was back in beta
I used it a lot way back cause I didn't have a descrete gpu
shell void
4+8+4+12 in P variant TDP and laptop build would be sweet
yah 16” 16:10 99.99WH 3840x2400 240Hz with 4p8e4lpe 12xe3 is essentially peak laptop
merry stirrup
youre peak laptop
shell void
you’re not folding me buddy
merry stirrup
https://youtu.be/qE9tOjjtK4Y x Gamers, 1 CPU coming back?
i WISH
edgy laurel
16 of these
shame, shoulda been 16 Framework AI Max 395 boards
or even the $800 AI Max 385 board
shell void
underclocked 7950x3d
edgy laurel
why is Elijah doing this and not Jake. Need more Jake
shell void
still a potent cpu
merry stirrup
why is Elijah doing this and not Jake. Need more Jake
love jake
miss alex
two favs 🙏
edgy laurel
ya but gaming, AI Max 385 boards would still be faster
maybe even Linus can't get allocations for 16 of them..
frank cypress
16 of these
I love modt boards
shell void
do they have a dgpu in these systems?
edgy laurel
do they have a dgpu in these systems?
aww shit, i didn't get that far.. lmao yes
shell void
if so then no strix halo probably wouldn’t be a faster cpu for gaming
pure garnet
@merry stirrup @turbid locust @shell void im comitting
shell void
7950x3d > 9950x in most cases
pure garnet
265k+master
merry stirrup
https://tenor.com/view/yes-yas-wwe-scream-gif-17625417
YES YES
turbid locust
<@369668313208324100> <@379175754774216717> <@609826649197772821> im comitting
enjoy
pure garnet
almost put my credit card into tc2 good god
shell void
hard to argue against $500 for both of those combined
shell void
one 9800x3d on its own, or a 265K AND a high end motherboard? 
frank cypress
hard to argue against $500 for both of those combined
265k is kinda value goat for productivity ngl
merry stirrup
one 9800x3d on its own, or a 265K AND a high end motherboard? <:Pepothink:922566...
and 4 games iirc
edgy laurel
so 7945HX3D + 9070XT x16
frank cypress
like, they're cheaper than the 9700x here and destroys it in cou rendering
pure garnet
wait how much more is 285k
pure garnet
yeah im good 265k it is 😭
merry stirrup
529$
merry stirrup
only the 265k is cheap here
shell void
it’s that way here too
frank cypress
the 245k is also weirdly expensive
shell void
it’s that way in europe too
merry stirrup
245k is 200$ still yeah
pure garnet
ordered
merry stirrup
300$ for the KF
pure garnet
merry stirrup
intel cannot price cpus
pure garnet
gonna run an eco tune till i get an aio
frank cypress
245k is 200$ still yeah
its like 400 cad for a 265k rn and 360 for a 245k
pure garnet
nah cut clock a lil bit for multi core loads
shell void
a phantom spirit will cool it stock
frank cypress
there is no world where you buy a 245k at that price
merry stirrup
nah cut clock a lil bit for multi core loads
just let it do that itself
pure garnet
will a d15s
shell void
i don’t think it even hits PL2 in cinebench lmao
merry stirrup
will a d15s
yes
merry stirrup
just let it do that itself
better not to hurt the already bad stock gaming performance
pure garnet
i thought with 200s mode it was pretty decent
merry stirrup
yeah then knock down 200mhz and you suddenly lose the 5% you gained
im sure its more than 5% but you get it
you also dont have an 8k rated kit, idk if you can even turn it on
you should at the least run 200S boost NGU/D2D clocks
both at 3.2 iirc
pure garnet
i'll pickup an 8000 kit a bit later
hoary hatch
you also dont have an 8k rated kit, idk if you can even turn it on
It'll run up to 8k
merry stirrup
It'll run up to 8k
he doesnt have one
he has a shitter 2x24 kit
that im sure will do 8k but not at 1.4v
hoary hatch
Oh bro should get the vipers
pure garnet
it does 8k at like 1.65v
merry stirrup
Oh bro should get the vipers
allegedly they die
edgy laurel
so I guess Nvidia frameview works with AMD GPU's?
shell void
it’s probably 8000cl40 1.45v
merry stirrup
youre the test dummy tho so have fun
hoary hatch
allegedly they die
Now you fucking tell me?
merry stirrup
Now you fucking tell me?
learned that after and i dont believe it
shell void
allegedly they die
?
merry stirrup
its like saying corsair ram dies, all ram dies
shell void
o
fringe vigil
I’m hungry
merry stirrup
2 people in hwbot with them said they randomly died but i simply dont believe it
shell void
that kit is obsoleted anyway
hoary hatch
the red 8200 kit specifically apparently dies often
Fuck
merry stirrup
you have a warranty youre fine
run them unitl/if they die
if not youre fine 
theres no obvious reason why theyd die
its literally just like saying corsair ram sucks because it cant do xmp
hoary hatch
Corsair ram sucks because it can't do xmp
topaz veldt
yeah im good 265k it is 😭
buy my 285k lol
merry stirrup
always bad kits, probably just a coincidence that it ended up being 2 people in hwbot with them
pure garnet
unless you were selling it to me for 300 bucks i think i can live with the 4 less e cores
merry stirrup
what about 385
topaz veldt
unless you were selling it to me for 300 bucks i think i can live with the 4 les...
with that attitude I don't think you deserve a 285k
hoary hatch
They should call it 386
pure garnet
what about 385
for what i do i don't think it's worth it but yeah that's a fair price
merry stirrup
i mean i dont do very much on my pc anymore multicore wise and i still have a 13900ks
merry stirrup
They should call it 386
i agree with this heavily
another special edition like the 8086k
pure garnet
i do stuff multi core wise i just can't justify the cost increase
merry stirrup
i do minor video and photo editing so its not that deep
pure garnet
part of why i wanted a 14900k last semester was for the extra cores
merry stirrup
need nothing huge or fayust
pure garnet
but 20 vs 24 isn't as big as 16 vs 24
wraith steeple
topaz veldt
i'll need one of your itx boards
I sold one - down to just the one I use
pure garnet
i do minor video and photo editing so its not that deep
i package stuff for our schools linux repo
so i compile a fair bit
we have xeons on campus but they're so old and shared that the 12900k beat it easy
merry stirrup
LOL
hoary hatch
40 sandy bridge threads shared between like 8 people
Beruhv
Sandy bridge?
Let them die already
pure garnet
they keep the nice infra for researchers
topaz veldt
bro so many businesses still on sandy
pure garnet
but yeah like 90% of backend is old i'd bet
hoary hatch
bro so many businesses still on sandy
Tell them to move on
topaz veldt
Tell them to move on
No they keep buying my DDR4 ECC DIMMs
random flame
Though to what?
This sounds like an "ain't broke enough to bother, too much to upgrade" sort of thing to me. Lol.
hoary hatch
No they keep buying my DDR4 ECC DIMMs
Not if they're on sandy bridge mate
But yeah I can take those dimms off you buck a pound
shell void
@frank zealot your 7900XT has been given a second wind
you can now use XESS2.1 upscaling and framegen in many single player games
topaz veldt
Not if they're on sandy bridge mate
ah right
shell void
i wanna try 4x32 on my 9800x3d again with a different dimm layout
frank zealot
<@303850546564169739> your 7900XT has been given a second wind
Dope
pure garnet
yeah it does that's neat
steel stream
you can now use XESS2.1 upscaling and framegen in many single player games
XeSS <3
topaz veldt
wait michael does the master come with a ram fan
no it comes with a DDR Wind Blade
pure garnet
i should've got the master ai top that literally wouldn't fit in my case
shell void
i wanna try 4x32 on my 9800x3d again with a different dimm layout
last time i did: 1a gskill, 1b siliconpower
apparently it’s better to use two of the same dimms in one channel
instead of every other
makes sense ig
pallid marsh
shell void
supposedly option 2 is meta
i tried 1 last time and i was able to post 6000 no problem so maybe i could stabilize it with option 2
pallid marsh
pure garnet
supposedly option 2 is meta
surprising that mixed stick per channel is meta
shell void
option 2 makes it so that you’re using the same kit in one channel
one kit per channel
option 1 is two kits per channel
icy mortar
why is buying smartphones so hard
shell void
it’s not brother
you wait until september 10th and then you preorder an iphone 17 pro max
icy mortar
it’s not brother
so if i list you a few you can tell me which is best?
icy mortar
you wait until september 10th and then you preorder an iphone 17 pro max
man i actually trusted u 
shell void
i just gave you the sauce
pure garnet
so if i list you a few you can tell me which is best?
yeah sure
icy mortar
i just gave you the sauce
ill sauce you up man
shell void
i’m not familiar with chinese phones
if i had to buy an android it’d probably be the s25 ultra
pure garnet
is the 245k decent
shell void
is the 245k decent
it’s a fine cpu but it’s way overpriced when 265K is so cheap
pallid marsh
Smh no pixel option
pure garnet
yeah the 265kf was only $4 more
icy mortar
it’s a fine cpu but it’s way overpriced when 265K is so cheap
"just get the 9950x3d"
brutal 💔
wraith steeple
Yep with the cost, might as well go 265K TBH
pure garnet
realme GT7 (eu specs), xiaomi 14t pro, oneplus nord 5, S24 FE
i'd get the nord tbh
i trust qualcomn on tsmc more than the mediatek stuff
pure garnet
Yep with the cost, might as well go 265K TBH
i did im just looking at cheaper bundles for someone else
icy mortar
i trust qualcomn on tsmc more than the mediatek stuff
chip isnt really too relevant since im not really gonna be gamin on it but fair enough
green marsh
China board with 9955HX3D ? https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-9-9955hx3d.c4036
pure garnet
chip isnt really too relevant since im not really gonna be gamin on it but fair ...
battery life is why i went for the tsmc one
unless the mediatek is also tsmc
icy mortar
unless the mediatek is also tsmc
id but the GT7 has a 3nm chip with 7000mha battery
pallid marsh
I care about phone software support
pure garnet
@shell void do you like this board
icy mortar
I care about phone software support
i think 4yr regular and 5-6yr security im unsure
green marsh
I care about phone software support
to be fair, that is kinda solved from this year thanks to EU
frank zealot
@edgy laurel looks like the main ssd in my pc died (again)
green marsh
every phone sold in EU will have to have 5 years of software support from the END of the sale of that model on the EU market. Which even if we talk about phone sold for only a year means every single phone introduced to the EU market after June this year will have to have 6 years of support
frank zealot
Womp womp
pallid marsh
<@609826649197772821> do you like this board
Damn no fancy way to unlock the pcie slot
green marsh
dear god
pallid marsh
every phone sold in EU will have to have 5 years of software support from the EN...
I'm happy they did this
frank zealot
every phone sold in EU will have to have 5 years of software support from the EN...
That's a little nuts
green marsh
wraith steeple
Hyte really catering to the weebs
pure garnet
Damn no fancy way to unlock the pcie slot
1k usd btw
wraith steeple
green marsh
meanwhile Thermaltake "let's glue 7 pieces of wood on front" Nordic series of cases 😄
like are they serious ?
pallid marsh
Bottom pic looks so bad lmao
shell void
<@609826649197772821> do you like this board
i wish it was 1dpc but otherwise yeah i love overkill boards
pure garnet
im trying to figure out what the ai top has on my board
didn't know the master was gonna be such a lowly model when it used to be high end
frank zealot
Bottom pic looks so bad lmao
What do you expect from TT
green marsh
Lian Li is getting weird too
wraith steeple
Speaking of premium boards, the MSI MEG Ace is that one MSI board if I wanted to spend an extra premium (and can overlook the goofy aesthetic), that would be it
pallid marsh
It has a hill
pure garnet
out of the boards rn i think gigabyte has the best design language
pallid marsh
Nzxt toilet bowl pc
shell void
out of the boards rn i think gigabyte has the best design language
idk x870e apex fucks
i think gigabyte takes the white crown for sure though
wraith steeple
Phanteks NV5 faintly appears
pure garnet
amd frown emoji
green marsh
i know i am weird with this, but 2 PCIe slots is just disgusting 🙁
green marsh
at least it has good USB
frank cypress
i know i am weird with this, but 2 PCIe slots is just disgusting 🙁
fax
shell void
real motherboards are expensive
frank cypress
my x570 godlike is kinda ass but 4 pcie slots is nice
pure garnet
i should get clearwater forest
frank cypress
real motherboards are expensive
neeed
merry stirrup
and to think theyre all 16 lanes
shell void
i should get clearwater forest
supposedly there is no diamond rapids hedt :(
if granite rapids hedt launches then that might be the last for a while
merry stirrup
do i leave work early to play with my new graphics card 
steel stream
supposedly there is no diamond rapids hedt :(
Wasn't gonna drink today but now I guess I have to
pure garnet
why does intel only get white apex boards
frank cypress
@wraith steeple thanks it seems to be working well
green marsh
my x570 godlike is kinda ass but 4 pcie slots is nice
3x x16 (x8/x8/x8 if all filled) plus one open ended cx1. Then one U.2 x4, one M.2 4.0 x4, one M.2 4.0 x2
hoary hatch
Michael where's Michael
steel stream
do i leave work early to play with my new graphics card <:thonk:7179791325496606...
Do you even have to ask
hoary hatch
Michael it's so joever
merry stirrup
its over
hoary hatch
Intel projects 17% IPC for CWF darkmont over SRF cores
Sierra Forest should be based on alder/raptor lake style e core?
Although the core code name was Sierra glen
Which isn't directly related to any consumer e core name
wraith steeple
<@708496784359555124> thanks it seems to be working well
steel stream
Intel projects 17% IPC for CWF darkmont over SRF cores
explain what this means i dunno
idk what CWF and SRF is
hoary hatch
Clearwater Forest Sierra Forest
shell void
darkmont is basically just skymont ported to 18a and given avx10.2
merry stirrup
finally
steel stream
so many codenames to keep track of
hoary hatch
darkmont is basically just skymont ported to 18a and given avx10.2
So we don't have a great analog for SRF cores on desktop but I thought they were supposed to be basically raptor lake e cores
steel stream
I feel like an Intel lover poser
hoary hatch
I mean 17% sounds pretty good though right
Sky mont was supposed to be yuge over gracemont
I guess SRF was possibly based on crestmont?
steel stream
Sky mont was supposed to be yuge over gracemont
I mean they are no?
I'm looking up codenames as we go
So let me know if I get anything wrong
shell void
just be chronically online like me
pure garnet
praying that the bf6 code isn't locked the cpu
i wanna sell it to somebody instead of using it
shell void
i don’t think they’d put that much effort in
pure garnet
amd did
hoary hatch
I mean they are no?
They are which is where I am confused by darkmont in Xeon only 17% IPC over previous xeon
pure garnet
at least they used to they'd automatically tie the game to your steam account
hoary hatch
Chips and cheese doesn't have a Sierra Forest review rip
hoary hatch
i wanna sell it to somebody instead of using it
Uhhh
I had to download authentication software for the previous game bundles AND had to link my redemption account
@fringe vigil
Not muted
fringe vigil
hi
hoary hatch
But his messages went bye bye
pure garnet
I had to download authentication software for the previous game bundles AND had ...
damn
merry stirrup
praying that the bf6 code isn't locked the cpu
iirc it has to be in your computer and itll probably be just like amd or nvidias
hoary hatch
Yeah it checks for the hardware
steel stream
They are which is where I am confused by darkmont in Xeon only 17% IPC over prev...
Ohhhhh ok now I get it
tight shuttle
Idk if this counts as self promotion, but am I allowed to showcase my iPad 6 on iPadOS 18?
(Not intending to promote anything, just to show it)
hoary hatch
If you're not trying to sell it or make people subscribe to a YouTube channel it's fine
green marsh
praying that the bf6 code isn't locked the cpu
every single AMD code i ever received was tied to activation tool, which checked if you had the qualifying hardware
pallid marsh
If you're not trying to sell it or make people subscribe to a YouTube channel it...
Or your only fans channel
pure garnet
you can flash modded ipsws with checkm8 now? neat
tight shuttle
you can flash modded ipsws with checkm8 now? neat
Not necessarily that but I had to ssh into the iapd
It's a very complicated process
pure garnet
wait ssh-rd exists still?
green marsh
praying that the bf6 code isn't locked the cpu
Once you receive the coupon code from a participating seller, claim your reward by visiting www.amdrewards.com and create an account or login with your existing account. Please note that it may take up to 48 hours to validate a newly created account on the AMD Rewards site. Once logged in, follow the instructions provided to exchange your coupon code for the game activation code.
Some AMD Rewards promotions require that the qualified AMD product is installed in the participant’s system and verified before the game activation code can be issued. For full terms and conditions, please visit: amdrewards.com/terms.
tight shuttle
wait ssh-rd exists still?
And yes
pure garnet
i used that on my iphone 4 😭
pure garnet
> Once you receive the coupon code from a participating seller, claim your rewar...
it's intel gamerdays
green marsh
it's intel gamerdays
no idea then, had only amd and nvidia codes. check the terms ?
pure garnet
i mean i'll just find out when the stuff comes
it didn't make or break the order for me
edgy laurel
AMD and Nvidia's process requires a software tool that runs locally to verify hardware
Unclear how Intel's system works, can only get this far
You will receive a Master Key
run the Intel® Hardware Scanning Tool (Intel HST) which will scan your device and determine if your product(s) qualifies
pure garnet
i don't understand why they can't just email me a steam key
if i bought the cpu why do they care if i give the code to me or sell it
edgy laurel
Intel probably doesn't, just like AMD/Nvidia. Likely part of the terms agreed upon with the publisher they're partnering with.
I've given codes out to close friends from hardware purchases, but its required them giving me their Nvidia and Steam/Battlenet logins and logging in as them
Not something most internet randoms would be willing to do, and its a huge hassle
topaz veldt
Intel doesn't have a tool
edgy laurel
according to their fine print, they do
topaz veldt
I think if you provide a receipt/SN#/etc. you don' thave to have a tool
I forget - I have activated a number of games from Intel I don't remember ever using a tool
fringe vigil
almost finished metro 2023 redux
edgy laurel
guys trying to get around it when redeeming a key https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1f57o91/is_there_a_way_to_bypass_intel_hst_verification/
pallid marsh
zenith fog
<:HMM:1126310195199488040>
But where
edgy laurel
Asus lets you pre-order it
pallid marsh
Asus site
zenith fog
Nice
hoary hatch
according to their fine print, they do
They do
I've used HST twice now
It verifies the hardware then you have to link the platform account with the Intel software redemption account iirc
serene sonnet
If I’m planning to build a system with a ryzen 5 5700x, should I even consider the b450 boards, or just go straight to b550? I see conflicting information about it, like it should be fine with a bios update on most, but what do I actually lose?
pallid marsh
B550 you want pcie gen 4
serene sonnet
I should’ve clarified this will be a server, but ig that would be nice for SSDs
topaz veldt
I know why i didn't have to use HST
it was because I had it on my 285K despite getting vouchers with 265K/Z890i Nova
arctic bronze
I should’ve clarified this will be a server, but ig that would be nice for SSDs
what is the usecase
topaz veldt
So I did have their tool but not on the machine I got the software with
serene sonnet
what is the usecase
Mostly just planning to use it as an all around homelab thing, run some game servers and other probably quite light projects
arctic bronze
do you have a gpu for it?
cerulean cosmos
@edgy laurel
serene sonnet
do you have a gpu for it?
No
arctic bronze
<@232505783592550400>
thats so ugly
serene sonnet
Oh wait right the 5700x doesn’t have that, I have cheap GPUs laying around
pallid marsh
<@232505783592550400>
Needs the cigarette lighter
serene sonnet
I just use those
arctic bronze
that works
serene sonnet
Forgot the iGPU on regular models was a 7000 series thing
arctic bronze
@cerulean cosmos 5700g is a great option wdym
cerulean cosmos
<@232505783592550400>
ii believe it was designed by bmw
arctic bronze
Forgot the iGPU on regular models was a 7000 series thing
yeh lol
cerulean cosmos
<@1153514357850898535> 5700g is a great option wdym
budget?
pallid marsh
<@1153514357850898535> 5700g is a great option wdym
Stinky pcie gen 3 and half the cache
serene sonnet
<@1153514357850898535> 5700g is a great option wdym
Realistically I don’t need to get an APU when I could just have gotten a cheap GPU, but luckily I have the radeon version of GT 710 basically xD
arctic bronze
Stinky pcie gen 3 and half the cache
it has igpu, and it works fine, I use one in my homelab and its given me no issues, it does my NAS, game servers, other VM stuff and vpn
arctic bronze
Realistically I don’t need to get an APU when I could just have gotten a cheap G...
you lose a pcie slot tho
cerulean cosmos
you lose a pcie slot tho
thats where a gpu would go anyway...?
turbid locust
Boss left for the day time to shitpost on discord for the rest of my shift
arctic bronze
thats where a gpu would go anyway...?
no?
arctic bronze
its a server, it does not need a dgpu
steel stream
Boss left for the day time to shitpost on discord for the rest of my shift
Amen it's what I am doing right now
arctic bronze
igpu works fine
pallid marsh
Boss left for the day time to shitpost on discord for the rest of my shift
I do this all shift
turbid locust
@merry stirrup have you received the gpu
cerulean cosmos
<@369668313208324100> have you received the gpu
he got pursed!
serene sonnet
you lose a pcie slot tho
Eh, probably getting an ATX board so I can have some extra, though like worst case scenario, wouldn’t I be able to run headless without GPU, or does the system just not boot, been so long since I experimented with such
pallid marsh
Boss left for the day time to shitpost on discord for the rest of my shift
Oh Mac Asus is selling a $1999 5090 tuf right now
arctic bronze
Eh, probably getting an ATX board so I can have some extra, though like worst ca...
you need a gpu to setup
turbid locust
Oh Mac Asus is selling a $1999 5090 tuf right now
this one?
pallid marsh
Yes
serene sonnet
you need a gpu to setup
One that I could take out later, no?
cerulean cosmos
Oh Mac Asus is selling a $1999 5090 tuf right now
how does a b650 for $40 sound?
pallid marsh
<:HMM:1126310195199488040>
MSRP bb
arctic bronze
and if you do anything with gpu passthrough, you will need a minimum of 2 gpus
latent thicket
I’m building my first pc rn and the cpu power slots is an 8+4 but my psu only has 2 8 pin connectors is it okay to only use the 8 pin with a 9700x?
arctic bronze
One that I could take out later, no?
correct
cerulean cosmos
and if you do anything with gpu passthrough, you will need a minimum of 2 gpus
eatx
turbid locust
I’m building my first pc rn and the cpu power slots is an 8+4 but my psu only ha...
yeah but one of those 8 pins should split if you care
pallid marsh
I’m building my first pc rn and the cpu power slots is an 8+4 but my psu only ha...
Yeah it's not a hungry cpu
pallid marsh
how does a b650 for $40 sound?
If it's not asrock great
arctic bronze
funny e atx moment
eat x
latent thicket
Thanks guys 🙏
cerulean cosmos
Thanks guys 🙏
yw le;
serene sonnet
I’m probably going to get something like the asrock b550 pro4 atx board (or similar) when time comes tbh, 2 pcie x16 slots and 2 x1, should be enough for any use cases I plan on doing, also leaves expansions for network cards possible
cerulean cosmos
pallid marsh
I’m probably going to get something like the asrock b550 pro4 atx board (or simi...
Or nvme cards
serene sonnet
If it's not asrock great
Is the asrock issues only with recent platforms?
cerulean cosmos
someone asking abt pc building never having touched one
pallid marsh
Is the asrock issues only with recent platforms?
Only am5 mostly 8 series boards
serene sonnet
Oh then that doesn’t affect me planning way back on 5 series
pallid marsh
Oh then that doesn’t affect me planning way back on 5 series
Could get a i7 12700kf for $161 over the 5700x
arctic bronze
my homelab runs a asus tuf x570
serene sonnet
Like realistically I won’t be running a lot on this server, I did fine with an i7-9700k, it’s just the fact, I had that server through school lol, and when I built my server at home with a little worse CPU, it’s motherboard decided to give up
pallid marsh
Could get a i7 12700kf for $161 over the 5700x
8p 4 e cores
arctic bronze
Could get a i7 12700kf for $161 over the 5700x
peepee poopoo
pallid marsh
Smh
serene sonnet
Could get a i7 12700kf for $161 over the 5700x
This has to be a joke
steel stream
I love my 12700K for my home lab
arctic bronze
pallid marsh
Why would it be a joke it's only like $11 more over a 5700x
arctic bronze
Why would it be a joke it's only like $11 more over a 5700x
no x3d upgrade options 🙁
serene sonnet
Oh, that must be your region then, because that for $161, that’s like how much more it costs than the 5700x here
steel stream
no x3d upgrade options 🙁
snoozefest
arctic bronze
snoozefest
explode
shell void
12th gen > 5700x3d anyway bro
arctic bronze
12th gen > 5700x3d anyway bro
for game server, na
but less cores, so yeah
peepee poopoo
shell void
i would just disable the 4 Ecores in a 12700K tbh
pallid marsh
Oh, that must be your region then, because that for $161, that’s like how much m...
Yeah USA
arctic bronze
whys that
queen shale
montech king 65 pro or aerocool p500c ??
arctic bronze
iv never ran intel newer than 8th gen so idk about actually using them
serene sonnet
Yeah USA
Yeah, over here in sweden, that cpu is at least $100 more than the ryzen 7 5700x
arctic bronze
started on amd and currently on amd, got intel stuff via free computers
merry stirrup
<@369668313208324100> have you received the gpu
goin home in 15 so we'll see it in action in like an hour
turbid locust
WOOOO
merry stirrup
YIPPIEEE
turbid locust
You’ll get to see my embarrassing wack ass signature
merry stirrup
the whole world will too
shell void
it's crazy to me that there are people who have never owned an intel computer
merry stirrup
(16 people in tc2)
pallid marsh
it's crazy to me that there are people who have never owned an intel computer
Hey that's me
arctic bronze
You’ll get to see my embarrassing wack ass signature
can i see your wack ass banking info and creditcard info
turbid locust
can i see your wack ass banking info and creditcard info
Sure!
merry stirrup
Hey that's me
rlly?
serene sonnet
Yeah, over here in sweden, that cpu is at least $100 more than the ryzen 7 5700x
Soo uh I’m still probably going the ryzen 7 5700x for those plans
merry stirrup
i have dailed one singular amd platform
turbid locust
it's crazy to me that there are people who have never owned an intel computer
That was me until 14900k lmao
merry stirrup
i have dailed one singular amd platform
and i hated it even besides it being slow
shell void
i just wonder how thats possible because amd had nothing worth buying for like 15 years
turbid locust
i just wonder how thats possible because amd had nothing worth buying for like 1...
AM2 the goat fuck you
merry stirrup
yeah enjoy your phenom x6
turbid locust
My Athlon 245 will mog anything you owned pal
arctic bronze
Amd for life, I did make my little bro a 10100f PC to upgrade from the fx 8350
i love amd cpus
pallid marsh
Bbc
turbid locust
WOAH
arctic bronze
My Athlon 245 will mog anything you owned pal
pallid marsh
Fragmentation
merry stirrup
AM3 dumbass
this is th e only pre am4 chip iremember having
i also had a 6800K i think?
never dailied it, i had an x6 1055T as well
never dailied it
shell void
amd has always been stingy
topaz veldt
my fav
turbid locust
never dailied it, i had an x6 1055T as well
I have a 1090T
merry stirrup
fully licensed install of autodesk 2014 on a branded usb stick
i have hit the jackpot
serene sonnet
Unironically, if I build this server, it will be better than my secondary computer that I use at my other home 😅
shell void
amd had nothing worth buying from 2006 to 2020
merry stirrup
revisit the 1800x in only 2017 games
shell void
intel started spanking amd in the core 2 era and ryzen 5000 didnt launch until 2020
turbid locust
amd had nothing worth buying from 2006 to 2020
I’d have this opinion if I was born in 2010 too mike
shell void
2006-2020
serene sonnet
amd had nothing worth buying from 2006 to 2020
Glad you could include my athlon 64 x2
merry stirrup
intel started spanking amd in the core 2 era and ryzen 5000 didnt launch until 2...
from when floppa was born to 2020
thats when i died
turbid locust
Mike what is that lol
merry stirrup
a cpu coldplate
topaz veldt
Athlon XP 2500+ baby
pallid marsh
intel started spanking amd in the core 2 era and ryzen 5000 didnt launch until 2...
My 2019 3600 was worth it
merry stirrup
socket A
shell void
it's older than me
shell void
My 2019 3600 was worth it
merry stirrup
me too
shell void
slower than haswell-e from 2014 btw
fringe vigil
merry stirrup
some??
man old cpus were so silly theyd just do shit and say nothing
hey this little celeron somehow overclocks to 6ghz, nice. ??? 😭
pallid marsh
<:copium:861860530917605396>
No cope straight facts
turbid locust
The 3600 singlehandedly brought people to AM4
topaz veldt
yep
topaz veldt
did anyone own first gen ryzen/
shell void
yeah i bought a r5 1600 in 2017
topaz veldt
oof
arctic bronze
The 3600 singlehandedly brought people to AM4
i still have mine lol
shell void
it was the biggest piece of dogshit
my fps literally doubled going to a 10900
with a measly gtx 1070
merry stirrup
haswell
turbid locust
I want an 8 core 1600
arctic bronze
I want an 8 core 1600
ack
turbid locust
FzR has one
merry stirrup
isnt there even like 1300s with 8c
pallid marsh
did anyone own first gen ryzen/
My older brother had a 1800x that couldn't handle ram over 2998
merry stirrup
normal sadly
turbid locust
That’s tragic because I have an ES 1700x that does 3200 lmao
shell void
i couldnt get my 2666 lpx to post higher than 2666 on my r5 1600
pallid marsh
It was some weird number just under 3000
merry stirrup
yeah zen1 topped out at terrible values
shell void
skull
arctic bronze
That’s tragic because I have an ES 1700x that does 3200 lmao
i have one that got to 6'4 before
shell void
don't worry about the fact that the 5960x uses 3x as much power as the 5800x after it's overclocked
it's optimal
pallid marsh
$1,000 5960x xD
Sorry it was $1,050
topaz veldt
Q6600 big ballin
shell void
$1,000 5960x xD
yeah but 5820k was $389 new in 2014, and it was cheap second hand by the time that ryzen 1000 launched in 2017
let alone three years later when ryzen 5000 launched
ryzen just didnt really make any sense for enthusiasts until ryzen 5000 launched, we got swindled by tech media shilling it
topaz veldt
I almost built a 5820k
pallid marsh
yeah but 5820k was $389 new in 2014, and it was cheap second hand by the time th...
6cores in 2014 for just under $400 ain't bad tbh
shell void
yeah x99 was very cheap compared to modern hedt
pallid marsh
Oh the 5820k was thirsty af
shell void
Oh the 5820k was thirsty af
when youre doing like 40% overclocks thatll happen xd
i miss cpus having that much headroom
shell void
x99 classy
the giant red e looks kinda goofy
topaz veldt
thats ok
shell void
looks like a nice board tho
fringe vigil
he wants me to shoot with 0 ammo
topaz veldt
Metro is just "ammo hunter"
fringe vigil
snail i dont have any
pallid marsh
Stop missing your shots
arctic bronze
get better at shooting
fringe vigil
i had to use a grenade
pallid marsh
I like the ball bearing gun
arctic bronze
I like the ball bearing gun
you like bearing balls huh
turbid locust
I like bawls
turbid locust
The drink
pallid marsh
you like bearing balls huh
Yeah pumping the tank until it's about to burst then shooting out the load of ball bearings to kill a guy
brave panther
Metro is just "ammo hunter"
i kinda felt the same about half life alyx
pure garnet
did anyone own first gen ryzen/
i had zen+ and it was just as bad
265k should be here friday
sick 
pallid marsh
That's the one with physx 32 support right
turbid locust
That's the one with physx 32 support right
damn my 5090 can’t play it then 
pallid marsh
That's the one with physx 32 support right
Metro 2033 is the one
pallid marsh
damn my 5090 can’t play it then <:pepe_f:715698274329428009>
Get a accelerator card xD
GTX 1630 now has a reason to live
fringe vigil
why u care
pallid marsh
Wanted to know if you missed out on the cool effects
fringe vigil
idk
turbid locust
yippie! (I’m at work for another 3 and a half hours) 
turbid locust
merry stirrup
will install after i snack a little
turbid locust
🫡
merry stirrup
just spent like 30 minutes looking for my native high flame rate cable and it was in the first place i looked
turbid locust
flame rate
merry stirrup
flake rate
steel stream
yippie! (I’m at work for another 3 and a half hours) <:linuth:654379955043696680...
wait what
when did you buy that
turbid locust
uhhh yesterday I think or the day before idk
steel stream
9800x3d?
turbid locust
whenever I crashed out
turbid locust
fully expecting my 9800X3D to not do 6200
steel stream
you're gonna do 6000 and you're gonna like it
pallid marsh
yippie! (I’m at work for another 3 and a half hours) <:linuth:654379955043696680...
I will take it off your porch
turbid locust
no
devout ridge
too late, already did
pure garnet
mac and i trading places
fringe vigil
sup
fringe vigil
All I ever see in here is cpu this that
hoary hatch
Depression? You just need more e cores
fringe vigil
No e core bitches
merry stirrup
my man
have to use shifty adaptor cause i can’t find my cable i got trolled by the 12v2x6 to 2x8 pin included with the psu
merry stirrup
dduing
wise bear
Aww cute, look at how excited floppa is
shell void
Aww cute, look at how excited floppa is
youre so jealous
wise bear
A little, but I'm happy for him
merry stirrup
A little, but I'm happy for him
ur just mad my gpu gooderer
steel stream
Depression? You just need more e cores
so true
pallid marsh
we must not falldown the 5090 pipeline
But Asus is selling the tuf for $1999
steel stream
silence
merry stirrup
we must not falldown the 5090 pipeline
uh
high chance i’ll be disappointed or something and buy a 5090 next month
pallid marsh
<:HMM:1126310195199488040>
Upgrade from the weak 5070ti
pure garnet
265k and 5070ti is meta config
topaz veldt
40 hours until floppy wants 5090
pure garnet
i can't stop looking at the absurdness of the xtreme ai top
got a whole cage for the memory
wise bear
is that camm or dimm
merry stirrup
dimm
wise bear
Huh, neat
pure garnet
is that camm or dimm
4 dimm
brisk eagle
got a whole cage for the memory
Is that an 800$ board
pure garnet
no it's a $999
merry stirrup
yes
wise bear
i bet all of the coverings total up to $99
pure garnet
yeah and that's down from the 2k price in the hub video
brisk eagle
Yikes
pure garnet
i thought the master i got was the top end board and now i see this thing
hoary hatch
got a whole cage for the memory
Oh look, a real socket
pure garnet
and i can't stop staring at it
brisk eagle
It certainly looks nice but only 3 pcie slots would kill me
wise bear
Thaaats not the point of that board
brisk eagle
It has an ai in the bios right?
wise bear
wat
brisk eagle
Idk I read something on it a while ago
wise bear
you cant fit an llm into 256mb
brisk eagle
Yea
pure garnet
wise bear
gigabyte more like gigaboob
pure garnet
do i return the master and get the xtreme
pure garnet
$999 board for my $300 cpu
brisk eagle
So I was right
merry stirrup
even if it was 500
brisk eagle
I think?
wise bear
Oh floppa did yall lose power this morning from the freak lightning storm
pure garnet
lowkey i only got the 265k bc i got the master on the combo
$260 for the master vs $170 for the elite
vestal granite
no power outages here (i dont live wherever yall live)
vestal granite
$999 board for my $300 cpu
no
wise bear
There's some local-ish wildfires that threw a bunch of smoke up our way & caused a freak rainstorm w/ lightning at like 6 am
My two loaves of marshmallow didn't give two shits but my himalayan homo dived under the couch when the first bolt hit 
Wow how is homo greenlit
vestal granite
oh that sucks, here something similar happens when they burn the sugarcane fields upaways. air gets real dry and staticy so its just no rain and a bunch of sky lightning sounding scary as shit and lighting up the sky at night
topaz veldt
got a whole cage for the memory
Rofl a DIMM oven
wise bear
oh that sucks, here something similar happens when they burn the sugarcane field...
It do be kinda fire season in the pnw
vestal granite
i just imagine the PNW as super rainy all the time so im surprised it even gets fires
wise bear
nah its like 91/33 here rn
vestal granite
damn
wise bear
Most of our wild weather comes from la nina/el nino
hoary hatch
lowkey i only got the 265k bc i got the master on the combo
$500 combo?
pure garnet
ye
wise bear
I thiiink we're forecasted for la nina this winter so it's gonna be cold and w e t
hoary hatch
i just imagine the PNW as super rainy all the time so im surprised it even gets ...
It's wet for 6 months followed by dry for 6 months
vestal granite
oh
hoary hatch
But we don't get nearly as much rain as a lot of the Gulf states
It's just always damp here for half the year
Always misting
vestal granite
yeah but its hot down here so it all evaporates quickly
hoary hatch
And then east of the Cascades it's desert
wise bear
The dampness isn't bad per se, but it'll get a little miserable when the humidity starts peaking in the early/mid summer
wise bear
I can't wait for the constant rainstorms
vestal granite
southern gulf states get a lot of rainfall but it just dumps a bucket of water onto everybody and then its evaporated and muggy for an hour or two then back to dry
turbid locust
Excited to go back to a real 8 core cpu tonight and not an 8 core cpu that pretends it’s a 24 core
shell void
interesting coping mechanism
pallid marsh
I paid someone to take your package off your door step already
vestal granite
i hit the UPS truck with a garbage truck already and your package was lost when they were rescuing the contents
wise bear
aw wtf my bltouch didn't come with extra probes :(
edgy laurel
Excited to go back to a real 8 core cpu tonight and not an 8 core cpu that prete...
what the hell did I miss
pallid marsh
Mac is draining his bank account
turbid locust
interesting coping mechanism
Listen I’m gonna talk shit about anything that’s not in my daily rig lmao
shell void
what the hell did I miss
he ragequit z790 because he couldnt stabilize 8000MT/s
edgy laurel
what
turbid locust
yes 👍
hoary hatch
Excited to go back to a real 8 core cpu tonight and not an 8 core cpu that prete...
Sometimes, more e cores is the solution
turbid locust
Sometimes, more e cores is the solution
Cinebench accelerators
hoary hatch
Cinebench accelerators
Image 288 of them
edgy laurel
i feel like just yesterday he got this 14900k and now.. selling?
turbid locust
yup selling the 14900k and 9800X3D arrived about an hour ago LMAO
brisk jolt
(mac went on to get CL26)
turbid locust
Had that
shell void
yup selling the 14900k and 9800X3D arrived about an hour ago LMAO
cya nerd
shell void
Mike you glaze Intel so hard just to have a 9800X3D in your rig
my dear boy you are confused
i have several computers in use daily
turbid locust
wise bear
You're now just discovering this?
steel stream
discord gifs being weird for anyone else or 50 series shenanigans
turbid locust
Ain’t never seen that shit in my life
edgy laurel
waduhek
pallid marsh
discord gifs being weird for anyone else or 50 series shenanigans
Legitimately 50 series issues
steel stream
the fact I was able to take a SS implies it's not a hw issue right
edgy laurel
not really
steel stream
if it's on the screen it grinds my discord to a halt LOL
edgy laurel
but like... discord in browser same thing?
fringe vigil
anyway back to gamin
playing what exactly
edgy laurel
playing what exactly
i'm out here mopping up control points
fringe vigil
24
steel stream
but like... discord in browser same thing?
no idea, forgot password for my discord and the email it's tied to
edgy laurel
no idea, forgot password for my discord and the email it's tied to
lol, i do the QR code thingy
no idea what my discord password is
steel stream
lol, i do the QR code thingy
no discord mobile lol
edgy laurel
oh right
steel stream
I am chocking it up to 50 series
edgy laurel
nope
fringe vigil
y
edgy laurel
i'm trying to be true to the "remember, no preorders" guy
neat shuttle
What is better gtx1070 or gtx1660
edgy laurel
What is better gtx1070 or gtx1660
1070, barely
fringe vigil
i'm trying to be true to the "remember, no preorders" guy
and why not its literally the same as buying it
edgy laurel
What is better gtx1070 or gtx1660
hoary hatch
What is better gtx1070 or gtx1660
Whichever one you can get for less money
steel stream
I haven't seen any issues with games or anything with 5070 ti just discord
hoary hatch
Although 1070 is 8gb so I'd pay a few more bucks for 1070
edgy laurel
and why not its literally the same as buying it
the point is, if its bad, you didn't already give them money ahead of time
its a digital game, they won't run out of copies
in reality, it won't be bad enough to prevent me from buying it though
we already know that
topaz veldt
i'm trying to be true to the "remember, no preorders" guy
Lol not me
What if my $99 was the money they needed to make it great
edgy laurel
lol, thats certainly some logic
topaz veldt
Could happen!
vestal granite
what if your $99 was the money they needed to make it worse
topaz veldt
That doesn't make sense
vestal granite
that money hired a paid intern for 22 hours and in that time he created a presentation to implement a game mechanic which resets color settings on your monitor everytime you lose a match
topaz veldt
This isn't a pepe PHP project
vestal granite
i dont use php im not old and withering
hoary hatch
perl
edgy laurel
CSF upload? https://youtu.be/aBRl73fC4-w?si=UpFr4lYdx7xd-48p
topaz veldt
Ruby on rails golang
pure garnet
76f in my room
shell void
BOILING
pure garnet
i need the cool factor of an intel cpu to drop my room temp
hoary hatch
i need the cool factor of an intel cpu to drop my room temp
Paint the walls with Clearwater Forest
midnight night
In Paris I went to a McDonald’s that had a live DJ
turbid locust
i need the cool factor of an intel cpu to drop my room temp
Yeah this ain’t it fam
merry stirrup
i would do 500 for the meme
i meant like worth over the master or whatever the 300$ board is
gettin driveres
shell void
almost gamin time
merry stirrup
benchmark
pure garnet
i meant like worth over the master or whatever the 300$ board is
yeah no the master was the highest end practical one
merry stirrup
that isnt 1dpc anyways
pure garnet
they didn't have 1dpc combos
merry stirrup
would pay not a dollar more for any 2dpc board than u
merry stirrup
they didn't have 1dpc combos
yeah ik im just sayin over 300$ its gotta be to the point where youre getting something competitive
pure garnet
yeah past that i'd rather save for apex
merry stirrup
shouuld i expect driver issues
topaz veldt
The last Master motherboard I had tried to kill me
topaz veldt
X870 Tachyon Ice when
brisk jolt
clear juniper
My 5080 pcie pins have black lines in the middle of the gold pins is that normal?
topaz veldt
instock $600
Ohhhh shit
shell void
they validated a lot of 8400 and 8200 kits on the tachyon
topaz veldt
Who wants my z890 apex 285K combo
shell void
i thought you didnt have any eatx cases
merry stirrup
the graphics card definitely works
merry stirrup
they validated a lot of 8400 and 8200 kits on the tachyon
are we sure this isn’t using CKD
shell void
are we sure this isn’t using CKD
ryzen 9000 cant use ckd
merry stirrup
ah my bad i thought z890
merry stirrup
the graphics card definitely works
gettin in to 3.2 in 3dmark
topaz veldt
cus big white boards look cool of course
OCN threads say the bios is ass
merry stirrup
@shell void seein what i’m seeing?
50/50 power and volt limited
by the end of the test it got to 50/50*
shell void
OCN threads say the bios is ass
sad because the board was being used for XOC by chinese nerds like 10 months ago
arctic bronze
discord gifs being weird for anyone else or 50 series shenanigans
lmao that looks like shit one of my image generating ais make
merry stirrup
7410 steel nomad points
pure garnet
why temp so high
merry stirrup
best is 78 something
merry stirrup
why temp so high
small case w/no case fans+budget card
pure garnet
isn't that vapor chamber card
merry stirrup
idk maybe
pure garnet
no wait that was the zotac
merry stirrup
i paid 700 dollars for it, certainly in my budget
merry stirrup
no wait that was the zotac
yeah not asus prime
merry stirrup
asus prime
brisk jolt
prime doesnt have a VC
pure garnet
yeah i thought he got the zotac
arctic bronze
best is 78 something
ah ah ah! Loogie boogie!
shell void
the temps look fine
merry stirrup
70c core at 320w is fine yeah