tech-chat-2

[merry stirrup]

wall of sadness for this one easily

[pallid marsh]

It works 4 hours at a time right?

[steel stream]

At first yeah, but now that it's been used a bit more it happens pretty much instantly

I just have to go into a different menu and it shits the bed

[pallid marsh]

Why not the new 43watt Rx 7400?

[merry stirrup]

is amd gonna give me one or sumn

[pallid marsh]

That fuckin sucks man

[shell void]

yeah it's good guy amd

just call up lisa

[steel stream]

Yeah, first big boy TV and this happens, but C'est La Vie, at least I have warranty

[fringe vigil]

im jel of usa

they got breezy for the us LEG of his tour

[merry stirrup]

truue hollon i got her on speed dial

got one of them

fortnite ebay gaming computers in today

employee's child

[merry stirrup]

the crap prebuilt ones with rgb leds on the front and the fortnite girl in the picture yes

HP pro desk with rgb 🔥

basically this but a little better/different

[pallid marsh]

Can I see the dead pixel spot

[merry stirrup]

it for some reason had a 3TB HDD

[merry stirrup]

and 128GB king fast drive

basically i replaced all of it, 6500 to 6700, gt 730 to a k1200, kingfast drive to a 256gb micron drive

[merry stirrup]

oof

[steel stream]

gets worse depending on the pixel shift but it's def there

[pallid marsh]

Who pinched it

[edgy laurel]

https://www.pcgamer.com/software/the-steam-performance-overlay-will-finally-show-cpu-temps-but-it-will-require-kernel-access-to-do-so/

Nice.

A recent Steam beta client update announces: "Performance Monitor now supports CPU temperature on Windows and Linux. On Windows this requires a kernel mode driver, and there is an optional to disable if you don't want that. The driver is only installed and running when Performance Monitor is visible at full CPU detail levels and only if you don't disable the driver in the In-Game settings."

[steel stream]

idk, but my roommates opened it so it's their fault

Stupid samsung making their TVs so thin

[pallid marsh]

I want a thick properly cooled tv

[merry stirrup]

i geniunely hate it

picking up my oled shouldnt feel like its going to break down the middle with 2 people lifting it

theres just no reason for the tv to be that thin it is a hazard more than it is cool

[steel stream]

imagine the brightness

[steel stream]

yeah the thickness on my LG is the bare minimum, Samsung makes their shit way too thin

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel just met the winner of this year's white marlin tournament, beat Jordan by 1 pound

[steel stream]

OLED monitor sure, make the top half thin who care, the base is usually thick enough, but I shouldn't have to be Indiana Jones to pick up my TV

[merry stirrup]

literally

[pallid marsh]

Y'all seen this?

136 inches

[wild trench]

free install, defo worth it

here again

[edgy laurel]

Nice, though I don't know how Jordan is.. should i?

[wild trench]

anyone wanna help me buy a pc 👉👈

[merry stirrup]

no

[pallid marsh]

Give me your credit card and I will do it for you

[wild trench]

bet

[topaz veldt]

#23 bro

[pallid marsh]

Just ignore the $150k order from bestbuy when I get it

[wild trench]

no worries, see those pop up all the time on my bank statements

1. used, good condition NUC12DCMi7 (intel NUC 12 extreme)** 980 or 1,076.29 USD **

• I7-12700 12 core
• Samsung 980 PRO M2 1TB
• Kingston fury renegade m2 4TB
• intel arc b580 that i guess ill take out 🤷
  can also probably get this one for $980 after talking to the seller

2. i buy the minisforum um790 pro new 1116 USD

• minisforum 833 USD

• R9 7940HS, better wattage since its a laptop cpu but worse performance than the i7 as stated

• 32GB 5600MHz RAM

• 1TB M.2 (with space for another one im pretty sure)

• for reference 4tb m2 is 283 USD for me
  seems to be a worse CPU, better RAM, rest idk

those are the main ones
then there's also

3. ASUS NUC 14 Pro RNUC14RVKU700000I 1230 USD

barebone with Core Ultra 7 155H and get the rest separately
barebone is at 791.15 USD
just over 300 for the storage in total
130-140 for the DDR5 memory

-# here are the links i would buy from if u wanna have a look (norwegian sites) https://www.proshop.no/Stasjonaer-Mini-PCBarebone/ASUS-NUC-14-Pro-RNUC14RVKU700000I/3275263 https://www.proshop.no/Stasjonaer-Mini-PCBarebone/Minisforum-MINI-PC-Minis-Forum-UM790-Pro-Ryzen-9-7940HS-32GB-RAM-1TB/3345948 https://www.finn.no/recommerce/forsale/item/415046426?ci=3

i'd use it as cloud storage for 3d and video files and probably some note taking, i wanna try to set up video streaming which would be 4k HDR to a tv and/or to a galaxy tablet though im thinking this may be handled by a firestick?, an occasional minecraft server host, preferably capable of handling a heavy modpack like atm or rlcraft, these modpacks are particularly heavy.
maybe some other game servers sometimes, discord bot host, website host
Also if i went with the used one i guess i could use the dgpu from the used pc (which i didnt include in the price estimate, the gpu is around 400$ maybe a bit less) as a tiny render farm for blender 3d projects, though this is not at all necessary just a little bonus 🤷

im also kinda new to this so would explore for more to do

this is what i need help with ^

if anyone have other buying options feel free to suggest them, those are the ones ive got currently

[shell void]

@merry stirrup @pure garnet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tJMUFluY6I 👁️

[pure garnet]

goatzoid upload

[wild trench]

#tech-chat-2 message

bottom paragraph is the important part if you just wanna know what id use it for and wanna suggest from there

[pallid marsh]

https://a.co/d/csOAr4z $899 with coupon

[wild trench]

that a good cpu? i dont know what these are 🙈

cpu speed and cache sizes look big

[pallid marsh]

Newest one if I recall right

[wild trench]

that looks like a great buy thanks

one issue, may not be one but may be one

amazon is kinda iffy where i am, and ill need to pay a 25% import tax. that brings the number to about 1275 if we also take into account the lower storage, still seems like it could be worth it, what do you think?

[pallid marsh]

Why list things in us dollars if your not in the us

[wild trench]

cuz itll be easier than everyone converting NOK to USD

[pure garnet]

yeah but it makes stores worse

[wild trench]

either way most things are more expensive here so you'll have to apply at least some offset to any price expectation you had anyaways

[wild trench]

yea, i have mentioned it previously tho

so $1200 for this thing then, still better than the other ones? either way thanks for the suggestion

also i am absolutely open to getting desktop a cpu as well i just want a good all-round option for price convenience in size/noise and be sure that it can handle what i described

[pallid marsh]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009099997732.html 8.8k 32gb 1tb

[wild trench]

still probably import fee idk. 875 usd before import fee if there is any. is aliexpress safe for these kinds of purchases?

[pallid marsh]

Yeah they have a pretty good customer service

[wild trench]

i mean thats definitively the best so far if its without import tax but i dont think it is 😬

the import tax stuff for norway is confusing idk how it works but i think its safe to assume itll be on pretty much anything over like $1-200 or something

maybe they got live chat and can answer 😂

[pallid marsh]

I added a Norway address and it came out to this.

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel https://www.wboc.com/news/2025-white-marlin-open-concludes-with-big-catches-bigger-payouts/article_e59c7345-a275-4b29-8800-fd9d31bcee9c.html

[wild trench]

i dont believe that price 👀

waaat

i think you may pay it when you pick the parcel up though

i hate the import tax stuff idk when i need to pay it or not 😭

[edgy laurel]

Is this like a thing he does? I’m completely unfamiliar

[pallid marsh]

The all mighty ai told me it should be added at checkout.so idk

[wild trench]

talking to their CS now

[wild trench]

does feel like a 1v1 doesnt it 😂

yea defo will be paying import fee, applies to everything over 3000 NOK ~294 usd

[south shuttle]

well, from my experiwnce with their phones and monitors, etc. lg tends/used to price stuff way too high and then drop the price by 50% in less than a year sometimes, unsure if that’s the case for their microwaves and home appliances

[topaz veldt]

Oh yeah he runs like an $8 million Bayless 72 or 90 ft

I meant met one of the fishermen/captains/owners of the Bill Fisher which is the one that displaced him to second place

[south shuttle]

not 50% for their monitors, more like 30% because they sell decently, but with their phones

they used to do 50% off before a new gen has been released

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel his sport boat's out of Jupiter, Florida when he has it. Brought up to like North Carolina and Maryland to do this competition every year

[south shuttle]

🤣 i’m savin this

[pallid marsh]

LG is always having sales at my company so it tracks

[wild trench]

@pallid marsh i mean these still seem like viable options. what do you think?

[south shuttle]

so are they still doing the high msrp strategy?

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel https://www.baylissboatworks.com/boats/bayliss-82-hull-29/

[wild trench]

the amazon one comes to $1200 when all is said and done and the aliexpress one (with 32gb ram 2tb storage) comes to $1,067.03

[pallid marsh]

Yeah and bundling vacuums with shit

[shell void]

@topaz veldt the asus monitor legitimately spontaneously died while i was using it with less than 6 hours of power on time

i would tell you if i bumped it or spilled on it or whatever

i am astonished

it went blank while i was just watching youtube and leaving back in my chair, and now i can’t get it to display from any source, not even its own OSD

[edgy laurel]

seriously

[shell void]

tried my two pcs and two different hdmi cables, but the OSD won’t even display

[frank cypress]

holy shit the last nvidia sessions was so technical 😭

[edgy laurel]

wild

[shell void]

as serious as a heart attack

legitimate spontaneous unexplainable death

[frank cypress]

Istg I only understood 15% of it

[shell void]

i wasn’t even touching my peripherals i was leaned back in my chair

[edgy laurel]

Well, back to Best Buy.. I guess?

[shell void]

the monitor gets power and i can tell that it’s receiving a signal because it wakes from sleep, but nothing is displayed

[frank cypress]

it was about how sony imageworks developed their SPEAR GPU renderer

but they went really into the weeds about how it works and how they optimized it and they used so much acronyms

[shell void]

i’m going to let it sit unplugged overnight and if it’s still blind tomorrow then back to Bestbuy i go

[edgy laurel]

thinkin of just getting an exchange for another or na?

[frank cypress]

how does this happen

[shell void]

idk man i’m astonished

it’s like it just killed itself randomly

[shell void]

tbh no i’ll take the refund option if possible

but if i’m forced into an exchange then whatever

[frank cypress]

should've sent it off to a therapist 😭

[shell void]

the brightness and refresh rate are nice but the C4 just has a magical black level in all lighting conditions

and is better calibrated

[edgy laurel]

TBH I thought you were going to hold out for the WOLED model

[shell void]

i wanted to but the october delay annoyed me

[edgy laurel]

but I guess while its out in some places, still a ways off for us?

[shell void]

i guess this is my punishment for being impatient

[edgy laurel]

or is it just the 165Hz variant that some regions got?

[shell void]

i’ve only seen people be able to buy the 165 so far

but reviewers got sampled the 240hz

[edgy laurel]

this was a good joke. deserves some recognition

[shell void]

[edgy laurel]

someone got warshipped couldn't even tell who

[frank cypress]

I think i heard some interesting info about ILM while I was there

apparently they use the apple vision pro with some custom software for previs there?

like to share their work for review and stuff for live production (I.e mandolorian)

[edgy laurel]

was this show local?

[frank cypress]

I thought that was a bit fascinating

[frank cypress]

Siggraph yeah

they're in LA next year

or it's not really local I guess, they just jump around year to year

and they have an Asian version

[edgy laurel]

I meant local to you this year

[frank cypress]

which is in HK this year I believe

[frank cypress]

oh yes, it's in Vancouver this year

[brisk jolt]

rip

[shell void]

i wonder if the weirdness i saw earlier was a warning sign

[frank cypress]

got an Nvidia hat too from the sessions as well

[edgy laurel]

what was that again?

[frank cypress]

Its not a 6000 blackwell WS edition but I will take it

[edgy laurel]

worth the entry fee

[frank cypress]

not when it was free for a lot of people 💀

nvidia literally had a code for a free pass on their website

I only found out after I paid

[shell void]

i got this error after i updated my graphics drivers, and then there was stuttering and artifacting for a minute

[brisk jolt]

[edgy laurel]

well thats bizarre

[shell void]

yeah i’ve never seen that error before

that makes three dead asus products for me lol

two boards and this monitor

[frank cypress]

didnt the board also murder a few of your ssds too

or was that a diff company

[shell void]

yeah the strix took my 4tb 990 pro with it

[frank cypress]

[brisk jolt]

asusbad

[shell void]

tbh i’m not too upset just yet because i wasn’t in love with the monitor anyway

[steel stream]

oh dope

[shell void]

if i’m not allowed to get a refund then i’ll be sad, but until then whatever

[steel stream]

already?

[shell void]

yeah it just committed seppuku with less than 6 hours of power on time

[brisk jolt]

its been 1 day bruh

[pure garnet]

do not run thermal paste through the wash

[wild trench]

Need help figuring out what pc to buy
I want a pc to be used as a server / not primary computer for cloud storage for 3d and video files and probably some note taking, i wanna try to set up video streaming which would be 4k HDR to a tv and/or to a galaxy tablet though im thinking this may be handled by a firestick?, an occasional minecraft server host, preferably capable of handling a heavy modpack like atm or rlcraft, these modpacks are particularly heavy.
maybe some other game servers sometimes, discord bot host, website host

I'm also kinda new to this so would explore for more to do
If i went with the used one i guess i could use the dgpu from the used pc as a tiny render farm for blender 3d projects, though this is not at all necessary just a little bonus 🤷

option 1: GEEKOM A9 Max AI $1200

• Ryzen AI 9 HX 370
• 32GB DDR5 RAM 5600mhz
• 2TB NVMe SSD
  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FJ213R6G?csmig=1

option 2: GMKtec EVO-X1 $1067

• Ryzen AI 9 HX 370
• 32GB LPDDR5X RAM at 2900mhz according to pics??
• 2TB NVMe SSD
  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009099997732.html?mp=1

option 3: used intel NUC 12 extreme, good condition $980

• I7-12700
• 32GB DDR4 RAM 3200mhz
• 5TB NVMe SSD
• Arc b580 (gpu is low priority)
  https://www.finn.no/recommerce/forsale/item/415046426?ci=3

option 4: minisforum um790 pro $1116

• R9 7940HS
• 32GB DDR5 RAM 5600mhz
• 1TB NVMe SSD

option 5: ASUS NUC 14 Pro $1230

• for this one i would buy the barebone with Core Ultra 7 155H and get the rest separately
• barebone is at 791.15 USD
• just over 300 for the storage in total
• 130-140 for the DDR5 memory

[low sorrel]

wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9alJwQG-Wbk

[pure garnet]

holy yap

[steel stream]

dawg whatttt

[low sorrel]

#1106613567966429224

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[steel stream]

that is crazy michael

[shell void]

we are both going through defective display troubles

[steel stream]

Stay strong my brother I got your back 🫡

[pure garnet]

and it messed up your 6900 xt, what a board

[brisk jolt]

he said ur back not ur sides

[edgy laurel]

this is going to get burried in 5 minutes. use the forum or #1106613567966429224

[shell void]

chat i think this is a sign, we both bought qd oleds and both had problems

this is further proof that woled is superior

[steel stream]

inferior tech fr fr

[topaz veldt]

Weird

Probably because it's QD OLED

[shell void]

that’s what i’m saying

[steel stream]

5nail has joined the cause

[steel stream]

(I will continue to use the S90D if it gets fixed)

[steel stream]

ok ok not bad not bad

[pure garnet]

qd oled killed my ips display

[steel stream]

I like it

[frank cypress]

yuhhh

[hollow hedge]

was looking at a qd oled just now lmfao, but apparently they arent good for eye strain

[steel stream]

should have gotten mark to sign it smh /s

[frank cypress]

haha ill ask him tomorrow

he's really swarmed over there

people kept coming to ask about the GB10

[hollow hedge]

nvm actually a woled, still both bad for eye strain apparently

[shell void]

nah woled is eye friendly

[steel stream]

this is extremely anecdotal evidence about failures, I like the panels, but I will agree WOLED on tandem OLED on paper will be better

[pallid marsh]

"our" mark?

[shell void]

eye strain reports with woled are rare

[hollow hedge]

doesn’t it make letters look weird?

[steel stream]

Oh I am sure lol, poor dude

[steel stream]

QD-OLED does because of the sub pixel layout

[shell void]

on the 1440p models it’s not amazing yeah but all 1440p monitors have crappy text

[hollow hedge]

ahhhhh

[shell void]

it’s just not a high enough resolution

[hollow hedge]

on 4k itd be fine then?

[steel stream]

yes

[pure garnet]

if you can't get a refund just chargeback tbh

[steel stream]

I used a 1440p QD-OLED for months and it was fine

[pallid marsh]

But now you need a 5090

[shell void]

charging back bestbuy and getting banned for life 🔥

[steel stream]

there is no way Michael doesn't get a refund

[hollow hedge]

😭

[frank cypress]

the man himself

[edgy laurel]

I never did get the whole weird text thing. been 2.5 years on OLED now

[hollow hedge]

i have a 4080 coming on thursday, guess ill have to send it back:(

[frank cypress]

no more FE cards for you (not like you could ever buy them cuz of bots)

[steel stream]

If I get real close to my laptop I have issues with it, screen door effect, but have to be close. QD-OLED def had the issue at 1440p

[wild trench]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1404986148207464559

[pallid marsh]

clearly your old person eyesight can't see it

[hollow hedge]

this is what im on abt

[pallid marsh]

Funky M

[edgy laurel]

whats the problem here

looks like letters on any display you zoom that far into

[merry stirrup]

i don’t really understand it

[hollow hedge]

well the letters not being sharp isnt good for your eyes apparently

[frank cypress]

huh

[turbid locust]

text looks mad fucked up on my C4 with the wrong scaling set

[merry stirrup]

it’s not like i’m squinting at my monitor

[frank cypress]

thats just a pixel density issue no?

[edgy laurel]

have you compared this to an LCD of the same pixel density or are you running blind here?

[hollow hedge]

idk because they were talking about 4k monitors in the vid i watched

[hollow hedge]

ill have a look ig there are any comparisons, rn im running shitty 1080p ips

[edgy laurel]

I can see 4 people in this chat in the last 2 minutes that daily OLED monitors

[pallid marsh]

I only daily oled phones 😢

[merry stirrup]

meow

[edgy laurel]

WOLED's and QD-OLEDs

[frank cypress]

mreow

[brisk jolt]

he probably will tbh

[hollow hedge]

maybe theyre just blowing the problem out of proportion

[hollow hedge]

the P version of the middle one is what i was gonna buy

[merry stirrup]

it is indeed not that deep

[frank cypress]

from what I gathered its just woled superiority

according to this chat

idk i don't know what it's like to own either because im too busy buying shitty 2080tis

[merry stirrup]

iddk chat do i have a woled

[brisk jolt]

i have qdoled and im fine with it since I dont have flashbang lightint

[hollow hedge]

the p version would be woled so i guess it wont be so bad

just worried about my eyesight

[pallid marsh]

If you want good text go E ink

[frank cypress]

mate you're probably overthinking it

[edgy laurel]

silly little things keeping people away from greatness. meh, their loss

[frank cypress]

I saw someone saying their tn monitor is better than their oled monitor was while they had it

[hollow hedge]

damn thats a huge difference

[frank cypress]

the other day

almost fell out of my seat

[pallid marsh]

110% a troll

[wild trench]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009099997732.html
anyone know what the ram speed is here? seems like its 2900mhz from the picture but i didnt think that was a thing for lpddr5x?

[topaz veldt]

I'm single-handedly using my monitor like a normal human and experiencing pure monitoring

[frank cypress]

I dont think he was ragebaiting

I think he's just dumb

[topaz veldt]

Make monitors display pictures again

[pallid marsh]

On drugs or legally blind

[wild trench]

theres another pic saying 7500

[hollow hedge]

looking at it now isnt the woled better than the ips lmao

[wild trench]

makes more sense 🤔

[pallid marsh]

All Oled is better then ips

[edgy laurel]

don't you think the now 5 people here that daily OLED's would have told you this was some huge problem?

[brisk jolt]

i refuse to acknowledge their opinion about HDR if they main TN

[frank cypress]

I think their argument specifically pertained to for esport use

[edgy laurel]

the world needs ditch diggers too

[frank cypress]

but i refuse to believe it's better than an oled monitor for that either

[brisk jolt]

the grass is greener here

[hollow hedge]

yeah i just like making 100% sure by asking a billion questions before doing anything

[pallid marsh]

Maybe I'm too sober to understand this

[edgy laurel]

MobLand. Good show (i'm currently binging). Tom Hardy stars, drives an RS6

[brisk jolt]

play kerosene

[topaz veldt]

Oh sweet, I'll dow.... stream it and see how it goes

[edgy laurel]

not kid friendly.. or maybe even wife material lol

[pallid marsh]

Stream it from the original provider paramount

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbits-invasion-laugh-lol-gif-19505066

[topaz veldt]

yes paramount plus

im signing into heimdall which is how i get to paramount

[merry stirrup]

paramore plus

[hollow hedge]

i guess since so many people have a oled monitor here i might aswell ask if anyone has a PG32UCDP currently

[topaz veldt]

oh apparently my paramount plus already has it

[edgy laurel]

nope

[frank cypress]

argh

[steel stream]

fuck that

[frank cypress]

monitor ruined

[topaz veldt]

Matte screen > screen that won't turn on

[steel stream]

How to ruin your monitor in one simple trick

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-breakdown-no-way-omg-wow-gif-15655816

[steel stream]

Ok frick you bud not cool

[edgy laurel]

oof, timely

[frank cypress]

too soon

[edgy laurel]

i'm giggling out loud over that

[topaz veldt]

apologies all

[steel stream]

but it was funny 5nail

[shell void]

@topaz veldt did u get mum’s lg c5 installed?

[steel stream]

frick you, but it was funny

[topaz veldt]

yep she's enjoying it

[shell void]

spectacular

[topaz veldt]

unfortunately the C5 and G4 have different remotes

[hollow hedge]

im confused so is woled matte? or is matte/glossy a completely different thing

[pallid marsh]

https://www.paramountplus.com $13 for a month for no ads and downloading!

[shell void]

the new remote seems like a downgrade

[edgy laurel]

Asus chose to make that one matte, like its sister from LG (and LG Display makes the panel used in both).

[turbid locust]

@edgy laurel I can only find servers on BF4 where I have like 100ms ping

[topaz veldt]

its kind of.... simpler but also ... it has like an AI logo instead of a microphone, so that was fun

[edgy laurel]

really? hold on..

[low sorrel]

so expensive

[shell void]

WE LOVE AI

[turbid locust]

Yeah it's all german or french servers lol

[frank cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

ok clanker

[shell void]

don’t worry i’m not a clanker apologist

[topaz veldt]

Is it me or is Mafia: The Old Country kind of a flop?

[edgy laurel]

yeah I guess you're right.. I didn't even look at that. Didn't have any issues though

[steel stream]

nothing but a silver back number crunching clanker

[frank cypress]

copper veined rust buckets

[hollow hedge]

all i heard is you cant swim

[steel stream]

one of my favorite movies of all time, still a clanker

[turbid locust]

I am getting bodied by these german players that have clearly not gotten off the game since 2017

[steel stream]

ask Jorj

[edgy laurel]

pretty good filter system, like a real server browser should

[pallid marsh]

Wall e is a monster

[frank cypress]

hol up wall e gets a pass cause he's cute

[steel stream]

Oh Ja und jetzt wir shitten on der Mac

[turbid locust]

you can air strafe like a mf in BF4 why do I not remember this

also this game is using almost all of my 8 p cores lol

[pallid marsh]

He gutted his fellow robots for parts

[shell void]

apple tv remote mogs all tv remotes

[frank cypress]

they dont need it no more

[edgy laurel]

if there is one thing I always remembered, BF games utilized the shit out of your CPU. always have

[topaz veldt]

i mean... ugh, dreams

[steel stream]

they're all clanker filth

[shell void]

cute RC boat

[steel stream]

AppleTV mogs*, everything about it is fantastic in tvOS26, it just looks and feels great

[frank cypress]

lmaooo

[shell void]

i’m still on 18.5 or something

[pallid marsh]

Try finding a free one during the next hurricane

[shell void]

is OS26 out of beta yet

[low sorrel]

isn't the ingame server browser kinda ass and your supposed to use battlelog or smtg

[steel stream]

Give me audio passthrough you cowards \

[topaz veldt]

naw these won't be free in a hurricane

[steel stream]

public beta atm

[topaz veldt]

60' walk around is unreal

[steel stream]

The only issue I have had is that albums won't load in apple music when selecting from my recently played

[shell void]

i’m guessing it’ll be pushed to the stable public channel when the new phones launch

[low sorrel]

when tf did they change several people are typing to multiple people are typing

[steel stream]

The AppleTV apps and Apple Music are absolute delights on AppleTV

[turbid locust]

@shell void @merry stirrup any point of disabling intel igpu or

[steel stream]

yuh

[topaz veldt]

if OCing high it can f with shit

[steel stream]

If we get a new AppleTV this year I will buy in a heartbeat

[shell void]

i always disable whatever i’m not using but that’s just a freak thing

[topaz veldt]

in the case of RPL the iGPU is nice for quick sync but if you're going for max clocks its going to fuck ya up, if you were to put a display on the igpu you'd see it corrupt video output pretty quickly

[vale cosmos]

what new features\ are you looking for?

[steel stream]

audio passthrough + HDMI 2.1

that's all i want

[pallid marsh]

Better ai Upscaling

[steel stream]

upscaling and auto HDR could be hype

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-leonardo-di-caprio-fist-bite-suit-bored-gif-5065709

[shell void]

i’m expecting the next apple tv to have 10gbps usb c, wifi 6e, and AV1 support

[pallid marsh]

Burn Your feet on the grill

[rocky torrent]

10gbps for what

[steel stream]

shenanigans

[vale cosmos]

linkedin

[steel stream]

I just want Atmos passthrough that's all I want

let me ditch the fire stick

[pallid marsh]

To access your legally downloaded media on your server

[vale cosmos]

lol

[rocky torrent]

oh fax

that's still so overkill though

[shell void]

i have no use for the 10gbps usb c

i’m just expecting it to have it because it’ll be using an a17 pro soc most likely

which is from the iphone 15 pro which had 10gb usb c

[topaz veldt]

i want SFP+ in AppleTV

so I can stream from providers at 50 mbps

[shell void]

so true

thunderbolt 5 on apple tv is ESSENTIAL

[steel stream]

yes give me a full 40 gbps port on the AppleTV

[topaz veldt]

i want infiniband

[steel stream]

AppleTV is already so good I can't really think of much more they could add, other than support AV1 and WiFi 6e like michael said

[topaz veldt]

they could add Google Store app

[shell void]

i probably won’t upgrade my apple tvs because they’re fine

[steel stream]

I am a broken record lol, but if the audio passthrough is actually good on the new one I will buy one

the old one becomes a coaster

[pure garnet]

is it time to replace my 2nd gen

[turbid locust]

motherboard tracking is in all chinese so I have no clue

I guess when I start seeing english words, it's close

[brisk jolt]

yes

[pure garnet]

3rd lga 1700 board?

[turbid locust]

2nd

[brisk jolt]

get urself a 5090 while ur at it

[pure garnet]

8000 this time

you got this

[turbid locust]

praying for 8200

[pure garnet]

apparently my chip is artificially capped at 8000

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-anime-cinderella-grey-gif-5241121930609346212

[turbid locust]

Zen 4? yeah

[shell void]

it may be yes

2nd gen uses A12 bionic which is an iPhone XS so you won’t get tvOS26 support afaik

the 4th gen launching this autumn will be your move

[rocky torrent]

this means no liquid glass tv

[pure garnet]

no bro i have the 2nd gen

the one with the a5

720p max output

[shell void]

not the apple tv 4k 2nd gen?

[edgy laurel]

funny little apple TV.. Nvidia where that Shield 2 at

[pure garnet]

the actual 2nd generation yeah

[shell void]

does it still work well

does it even let you launch current versions of apps

[pure garnet]

last i booted it up youtube and netflix worked fine

apps were old and ios 6 era but played back okay

[shell void]

720p max output is jokes

[pure garnet]

if i move to ohio maybe i get like a 42in oled

and a new apple tv for media

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/fsr-amd-fsr2-radeon-upscaling-gif-14361789650951144310

[pure garnet]

fr

[edgy laurel]

🔥 ❤️

[shell void]

looking forward to putting my c4 42 back on my desk ngl

27 is too small

[brisk jolt]

remind me what happened to it again

[shell void]

the c4 is fine, it’s just taking a little nap

[pure garnet]

rn a 27 inch monitor is the closest i have to a tv

[shell void]

the XG27UCDMG committed seppuku

[turbid locust]

wish they'd chance the class logos back to the old ones ngl

[pure garnet]

i wouldn’t mind a tv but that’s more money than i wanna invest rn

[brisk jolt]

michael reinforcing my thoughts to not buy an asus monitor

[shell void]

watching videos on a 27” on a desk is cozy

it just looks weirdly small in games

when i first loaded up cyberpunk i was like wtf

[brisk jolt]

but that ppi is good tho

[pure garnet]

nah like i have a 27 inch monitor on my dresser with a fire stick on it

[brisk jolt]

its like in the 160 range

[pure garnet]

and creative pebbles for speakers

[edgy laurel]

i remember when you first got that C4. you specifically noted that the size was part of the wow factor

[shell void]

it’s really gamechanging for a game like cyberpunk

i imagine it’s similar for single player RPGs

[oak vector]

Wsg chat

[edgy laurel]

embarrassingly I couldn't tell you what the old ones looked like

[edgy laurel]

works out that most of those, at least I, sit back with a controller

[turbid locust]

BF4

[edgy laurel]

oh, yeah I guess that makes far more sense lol

[shell void]

27” is comfy when you’re leaning forward with gamer neck to play a FPS game, and when you fullscreen a youtube video

[turbid locust]

or even the BF1 ones

[shell void]

but it looks goofily small for a game you wanna relax and play

[turbid locust]

I like BF1 more I think

[shell void]

of course this all depends on desk size

27” is gonna look big on a standard 24” desk

[oak vector]

I love 32 inches

[pure garnet]

32 4k would be cool for ff but i wouldn't want it for comp stuff

[turbid locust]

BF4 logos but with BF1 Assault logo

[pure garnet]

crazy how your display died of no valorant though

[oak vector]

I mean I wouldn’t mind a 4K tv as a monitor honestly.
But 1440p 32inches is pretty solid

[shell void]

i played one game of swiftplay on it and i had to scooch the monitor up to the edge of my mouse mat

[edgy laurel]

1440p 32" sounds awful

[oak vector]

It’s better than my 1080p 32 inch tv I was using.

Also no it isn’t 😭

[edgy laurel]

well, thats true..

[turbid locust]

mike u wanna play val

[shell void]

no monitor rn mac

[turbid locust]

oh?

[shell void]

once i have a screen on my desk again yes xddd

[pure garnet]

where did the c4 go

[shell void]

i’m in bed and i just have the assumedly broken XG27 sitting unplugged on my desk

the C4 is taking a nap in the hallway

if the XG27 still doesn’t respond tomorrow then i’ll box it back up

[turbid locust]

wait it died wtf

[oak vector]

RIP

[shell void]

yeah it didnt even make it through an 8 hour shift

i had around 6 hours of screen time and it died

[turbid locust]

wtaf

[young void]

For real

[shell void]

my room must be haunted

[frank cypress]

do u have a ups?

maybe your house has really dirty power?

[shell void]

i do have two UPS yeah

[frank cypress]

hmm weird

haunted fr

[shell void]

what an amateur

[frank cypress]

straight paranormal activity

[shell void]

my LG A2 48” is up to 8412 hours

no visible issues

[pure garnet]

17k hours on my gl83a

[turbid locust]

I think I just hit like 350 on my C4

[pure garnet]

didn't realize how red it was till i got the omen though

[edgy laurel]

11384 hours 😳

[shell void]

spark out here with nine million hours on his c2

[turbid locust]

lol ive had my C4 for roughly 6 months now I think

[edgy laurel]

bought new in Jan 2023

[shell void]

i have 2100 on the c4 42

[turbid locust]

350 hours in 6 months aint bad

[shell void]

that’s very little usage

[turbid locust]

job moment

[frank cypress]

"I paid for the full monitor so im using the full monitor"

[brisk jolt]

stop slurring

[pure garnet]

if the monitors had issues by these low hours i'd be concerned

one day microled or whatever will take over surely

[edgy laurel]

if I can math (which i can't) that works out to 12 hours a day, almost on the nose

[shell void]

i’m fine with 10k hour lifespan but 6 hours is crazy

[turbid locust]

job, employment, 401K, workplace, application

[frank cypress]

bro is really getting his money's worth

[merry stirrup]

buying a new phone every time it dies type shit

[pure garnet]

i've had my side monitor since covid and i leave it on whenever i feel like it

if i got an oled thing would have the final fantasy ui burnt in by the end of the month

[turbid locust]

barely under what my C4 sees... a week

[edgy laurel]

you know what the sad part is, It cost almost half of what my previous monitor cost. that thing was absurdly expensive

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/setsuna-gif-21494988

[edgy laurel]

I made a very stupid financial decision buying it

but its not dead yet

[turbid locust]

I dont see myself upgrading until there's a 240Hz version lol

[brisk jolt]

4k 480>

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-ウマ娘-プリティーダービー-agnes-tachyon-beginning-of-a-new-era-gif-4392724993946552237

[turbid locust]

doesnt exist

[merry stirrup]

adjusted for inlfation?

[edgy laurel]

adjusted for inflation, its a nearly $1800 monitor

and with how far monitor tech has come, today, its kinda shit spec/performance wise

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/rog-swift-pg348q

[merry stirrup]

hey my dg was worse in everything but gaming

mine

[frank cypress]

its wild frrrrr

[merry stirrup]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/s2716dg

[frank cypress]

g4zmn for example, has slight issues but $400 for a thousand zone miniled monitor

[topaz veldt]

Mafia is just Indiana Jones with a different texture and model set

[merry stirrup]

fortnite is just apex but different

[turbid locust]

tru

[oak vector]

Every game is just a different game but different 😔

[topaz veldt]

no its literally the same game

[heavy mantle]

The only pc games i ever play prolly are less than 4

How do you guys get to enjoy games ??

[pure garnet]

the better the pc the less games you play

[oak vector]

True

[topaz veldt]

work hard play hard something something

[brisk jolt]

were so back

tonight- drops 0.01% “were so cooked”

[heavy mantle]

I trie

[heavy mantle]

Am just hard

[topaz veldt]

I know the feeling

[heavy mantle]

real

[brisk jolt]

so true

[heavy mantle]

Well ig i could venture out to the sims world as she always plays sims 4 and i do nothing i mean thats on option

[brisk jolt]

Im currently getting my ass up to play GOW

cp cyberpunk was hella immersive ngl

[heavy mantle]

Cp was alr

I dont like the way cp2077 looks tho

[brisk jolt]

cyberpunk raytraced really stands out

[heavy mantle]

I feel like for some games, i am trying to get immersed in a fictional war and not irl, so why play something that looks like irl

[velvet knot]

don't get your hopes up

this is intel after all

[dusky juniper]

is the i7-8550u considered overkill for programming?

[wild trench]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1404986148207464559

[heavy mantle]

I have more joy in building pcs than actually using them for gaming lol

[heavy mantle]

My intel 4004 is good for programming you are good

[velvet knot]

I too have immense joy when I make a build on pcpp then never make it

[dusky juniper]

damn whats intel 4004

[rocky torrent]

fastest chip on the market

[heavy mantle]

Yes

[dusky juniper]

tf it's the first chip

[edgy laurel]

typing some text in a text editor?

[dusky juniper]

nah like actually compiling it

programming really requires intensive testing on ur local environment

[edgy laurel]

does your compiler make use of multiple cores?

[dusky juniper]

nah it's singlethreaded if im not wrong

at least for my use case rn

[merry stirrup]

will be an L

[dusky juniper]

but when i move onto like c programming, i think it will be multi threaded

[edgy laurel]

or, really it doesn't matter. if you're compiling then no, your 7 generations old mobile chip isn't "overkill"

[dusky juniper]

im not too familiar with c for now so im also not too sure

[dusky juniper]

ah but it should still be sufficient? or it's time for an upgrade

[edgy laurel]

up to you, no idea how whatever you do runs on it or if it is acceptable for you'

"programming" is far too generic of a term

[dusky juniper]

well atm, i do web dev which uses reactjs (if u know what's that), so basically i have to run the client & server side, when i run both, my ram will usually hit 98% usage and completely freezes my laptop

but i think that's just insufficient of ram

[edgy laurel]

this laptop has this chip you asked about?

[dusky juniper]

yep the i7-8550u

[edgy laurel]

And your laptop is freezing?

[dusky juniper]

like minor freezes yes

when i change tabs etc

[edgy laurel]

And you asked if the chip is sufficient? I think you have a different question

[dusky juniper]

only a partial of the pixel will change to the new tab

[dusky juniper]

it's more of like, is this normal for this chip to be struggling this badly, i'm sure this is a pretty good chip

[frank cypress]

not really

its an old mobile chip

[dusky juniper]

damn i see alr

[shrewd notch]

is doom eternal straight up eating vram for y'all?

[dusky juniper]

so ig it's time to upgrade it

[turbid locust]

it do be a game

[shrewd notch]

true

[dusky juniper]

ok it just happened, so like im on a website

when i scroll up, half of my pixels just froze there for like 2s

idk how to explain it but it's just weird af

[frank cypress]

if u feel the need to sure

[brisk jolt]

currently at amazon lmfao

[dusky juniper]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3893342/parts-of-the-screen-freeze-in-place-while-scrollin

ye something like this

is it a bug?

[turbid locust]

is it a bird

[velvet knot]

it could be a mammal

[brisk jolt]

[topaz veldt]

wow

[brisk jolt]

idk why im here

[topaz veldt]

i do

[brisk jolt]

why

[topaz veldt]

you know exactly why

[turbid locust]

lol why does newegg charge for signature upon delivery

is it like that everywhere?

[topaz veldt]

they charge?

[thick parcel]

most couriers charge for signature upon delivery
most sellers don't opt for it unless the item is a high value item

[hoary hatch]

I have to sign for phones but that's about it

I did have a free signature upon delivery from Newegg once years

Except the fucking FedEx guy showed up at 8:30am when I was in the shower 😐

[turbid locust]

lol

[hoary hatch]

I spent 2 hours on the phone convincing Newegg to update the delivery to leave at a FedEx store for me to pickup

[coral ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mJwjVF wdyt chat
i'm gonna switch out the 3060 12gb for a 3080 of the same price (used)
it's a 2hr flight away tho..

[topaz veldt]

weird

[turbid locust]

@topaz veldt Say I were to make a media streaming server with AM5 hardware, would I need a gpu for encoding? if so, what level of performance would I need. Goal would be potentially a max of 1-2 simultanious 4K streams.

[topaz veldt]

yes you would

I did cpu-only based plexing for a while (plex as a VM on xeons) and it took a shit ton of cores to do anything at all

[turbid locust]

ah.

[topaz veldt]

1080p was doable

[turbid locust]

I think my goal is a home server via proxmox so I would be having (probably jellyfin) in a container

[topaz veldt]

plex/jelly as a container is not a good idea

[turbid locust]

ugh

Well how would one set up a "all in one" home server then?

[indigo walrus]

Depends on the carrier. Those that do charge aren't gouging either - signature on delivery increases operating costs as the delivery driver must spend an extra 30-90 seconds (on average) getting a signature when they could be delivering the next package. This is likely Newegg passing on the cost to the consumer.

[edgy laurel]

jellyfin/plex in a container seems to be wildly popular

[turbid locust]

I didn’t think it was that wild of an idea but I hadn’t researched anything about it either

[edgy laurel]

it sure doesn't seem to be given how many people do it

[merry stirrup]

PROXMOX

[devout ridge]

Easiest way

though you have to learn proxmox

[turbid locust]

you bitches I said that

[devout ridge]

I ain't a bitch, i'm of sumbitch, get it right smh

(i was too lazy to read up)

[topaz veldt]

with virtualization and a gpu

or on a CPU with quicksync, more reasonably

[topaz veldt]

check out how storage works from containers

[brisk jolt]

guys

case recommendations aside from fractal north

4 a friend

[devout ridge]

whatever your friend likes

[edgy laurel]

i mean, i'm not doing it i'm just saying if it was such a problem then people would be talking about it and not doing it

[hollow hull]

silverstone flp02

[topaz veldt]

the reason they do it is because they don't know how to do it

the whole point about containers is "docker-compose pull plex && docker-compose up -d" and now plex is running

[edgy laurel]

It seems to work for a lot of people, so it can't be all bad

[topaz veldt]

see above

[brisk jolt]

hes thinking a fractal north but wants to look at others

[topaz veldt]

the entire point of a container is repeat deployments

[brisk jolt]

ATX case*

[devout ridge]

cases are extremely subjective, so realistically only your friend can choose

[topaz veldt]

the uninitiated will run docker from a container because "whats sudo?"

[brisk jolt]

no I need some suggestions to forward to him

Ive suggested APNX V1, Evolv X2 lel

[hollow hull]

do these people actually utilize what a ATX motherboard has that a mATX doesn't

[brisk jolt]

im giving him my ATX mobo

[devout ridge]

a vast majority of people that use ATX boards would be perfectly fine with an M-ATX board- oh that makes sense

[topaz veldt]

@turbid locust the one huge, persistent (no pun intended) issue with running things like plex and jellyfin in containers is hardware pass thru

[turbid locust]

I see

[topaz veldt]

and like... the more "so...why?" topic is - the data within a container is supposed to be ephemeral. So, where do you store the media then?

So you take a framework made for quick "dev-like" spin-ups with complex dynamic overlay networking, etc., etc, you have to do NATs, reverse proxy, etc., and... for why? One container?

Also - then you need to either mount your media inside the container each time you pull it (every time you do an upgrade you pull a new image which will not have your data in it) or you have to make a docker compose file with externally attached storage.... so...... why?

[hoary hatch]

Well the ATX case market is fantastic right now so they're spoiled for choice

[brisk jolt]

I wanna do a build in the evolv x2 ngl

[topaz veldt]

Its just the "a lot of people do it so it can't be bad" -- right, a lot of people get burble tunes on their car too....

[turbid locust]

Yeah fair enough

[topaz veldt]

If you don't have the interest or capacity to learn how things work on Linux docker is great because bleep bloop blop "I run containers"

but you abstracting hardware transcoding away from the service, in fact, more than a VM would, so no its under no sun "better"

If I had like 40 plex/jellyfin servers (and thus had to spend most of my time hiding from the authorities) I'd run docker so I can pop them up quick

[turbid locust]

My goal was to have a “do it all” machine but if it would be a pain then… meh

[topaz veldt]

But yeah as someone who chases lazy devs around for 40,000 containers on the daily... ask me how I really feel

They'd fucking run calc.exe in a container if they could without any actual reason

[topaz veldt]

thats called a hypervisor - containers can still exist, or not, but plex/jellyfin is not the best fit

[brisk jolt]

did you guess 2 letters by any chance

[turbid locust]

So what would be my best option for a home server that does media and a couple other odds and ends

Preferably something that wouldn’t be completely miserable for a noob lol

[topaz veldt]

you'd prob be best served by something with a desktop cpu from intel and like 6 - 8 sata connectors to run proxmox with zfs

proxmox is kind of miserable from having experienced other platforms, but its free and sort of well documented

Proxmox 9.0 GA ships with zfs 2.3 which supports adding disks into existing vdevs

[turbid locust]

I’ll have to look into ZFS

I’m completely oblivious to all this kinda stuff which is why I wanna get into it tbh

[topaz veldt]

yeah zfs is a filesystem that will allow you to have redundancy

think of it as "enterprise grade" software RAID

[turbid locust]

does it have like.. a gui

[topaz veldt]

no zfs inherently does not have a gui, but that's what TrueNAS / Proxmox is

[turbid locust]

I’m not scared of CLI but… I’m a visual learner

[fervent elm]

That usually gets setup by a connected computer

[topaz veldt]

yah thats the thing - like... all of these core techs exist as barebones linux/unix frameworks and then people come around and put front ends on them

[vestal granite]

and the people who make the frontends are geniuses

[topaz veldt]

which is totally fine... but it does require you know some basics about it to be successful

[topaz veldt]

sometimes - othertimes they accidentially delete the zpool because they forgot something

[turbid locust]

Alright so theoretically could I get away with not an Intel cpu

I can throw a gpu in

[topaz veldt]

You could but you'd be buying more hardware

[turbid locust]

Well the goal is to not buy more hardware which is why I want to use my AM5 shit in the first place

[topaz veldt]

yes but

you could sell anything AM5 w/ GPU.... and build a 10th gen intel i5 and go faster

I went from Xeon v3/v4 plex VMs/physical to "hey, I have a spare 7950X" to "sell all that shit and buy an 11600k"

[turbid locust]

Sidenote does core count really matter for enthusiast/home server type shit? I’d want to do media and maybe like self hosted services like VPN, password management, etc etc

[topaz veldt]

yeah, it can

Do you need like 20 cores? no

[turbid locust]

could I get away with like… 8

[topaz veldt]

but for instance when plex scans media to find intros/outros 1 or 2 cores is going to take eons

[topaz veldt]

depends

@turbid locust you are asking like "I need to move some trees could I use an F150?"

[brisk jolt]

7700x lel

[topaz veldt]

If your trees fit in an F150 you can use an F150

[brisk jolt]

Is there any diff between 7700 and 7700x actl

[turbid locust]

Word

[fervent elm]

The only thing that really needs core numbers is virtualization

[topaz veldt]

that's what we're talking about

[fervent elm]

200 mhz stock clocks

[turbid locust]

Well like that’s gonna be my entire use case basically

[topaz veldt]

And mac at home, vcpu overallocation of like 4:1 or 5:1 is "acceptable" usually

meaning you could have VMs provisioned (btw containers run on VMs...) with a total of like 32 vCPU assigned and only have 8 actual threads and experience acceptable performance

[turbid locust]

Yeah I get that

Well 10th gen i9 has 10 so

[topaz veldt]

But at the same time if you have one VM with 8 vCPU that actually pounds... then you could also have no overhead allowed

10 and hyper threading

so it'd show up as 20 vCPU capable

[turbid locust]

Word

[topaz veldt]

which is quite solid

[turbid locust]

what’s the cheapest 10th gen i9

[topaz veldt]

soooo

before you go down that route

[fervent elm]

X79 12 core

[topaz veldt]

the only reason I recommend Intel desktop is because of iGPU. You should ask yourself do you actually need to transcode

[turbid locust]

5nail you know me, I could be entirely over this idea in a week

[topaz veldt]

People will say "No, my TV is 4K and my media is 4K I don't need to transcode evar"

but what people do not realize is that sometimes subtitles enabled is a transcode, sometimes audio formats is a transcode

[fervent elm]

Even then you could get an a310 or a380 and do better esp if you have the am5 shit already
Cheaper than a 200$ 10900

[topaz veldt]

Nah its not

[turbid locust]

I have no fkin idea what the media is I’m planning to just rip my dads entire DVD and Blu Ray collection lmao

[topaz veldt]

Go try using intel drivers in linux

[turbid locust]

how does Linux and/or virtualization handle E cores

[topaz veldt]

it doesn't

so most hypervisors need e-cores disabled

[fervent elm]

You'd need to anyway with the igpu ya?

[turbid locust]

well shit nvm then

[topaz veldt]

no - the discrete GPUs require kmods and or intel binaries while kernel support for igpu has been there for eons

[fervent elm]

Ah

[topaz veldt]

You have to be on very recent kernels to get the intel discretes to work and my success was..... not very successful

[turbid locust]

But yeah like I’m assuming I’m gonna need to transcode

[topaz veldt]

I was building kernel from source to get the b580 to work

[brisk jolt]

Looks like my guy’s going an all AMD build

Like what Michael would say, “Im sorry for your loss”

[topaz veldt]

yeah so if you want an efficient setup then an intel desktop cpu is golden, otherwise sure you can use an nvidia gpu but its a PSU and card and cooling and size requirement

AMD is totally fine its just hotter and more parts

[fervent elm]

1650?
Or maybe one of those lp 4060s?

[turbid locust]

I will likely be grabbing a Jonsbo N5

[brisk jolt]

In all fairness he would be borrowing my 9070XT

[turbid locust]

So theoretically I can fit full size cards

[topaz veldt]

yeah you probably could

but do you really want a GPU drawing like 200W to play movies?

like, my entire ARL plex box drawsl ike 80w

[turbid locust]

lol no

[brisk jolt]

RTX VSR on max quality eats between like 130-200+ depending lmfao

[topaz veldt]

yeah these are the things that come in to play - and then further, an AMD CPU doing audio/intro detection is going to need full blast power to be fast, which mens the cooler is gonna rip

[turbid locust]

frick

[topaz veldt]

so like... the all-in-one-nas-plex-server-thing can't be near the tv you're trying to watch on

meanwhile you'll read people buying retail NAS with ARM CPUs running Plex/jelly in docker and "have no problems". 🤣

"btw I only watch 2 channel video on a stereo tv at 720p"

[fervent elm]

What about an amd apu?
Like an 8700g or smth

[topaz veldt]

zero value

[brisk jolt]

“My 5080 plays 4K Maxed out settings Path Tracing with no problems”

Indiana Jones:

[fervent elm]

Vs a regular igp?

[topaz veldt]

plex and jelly don't support that for transcoding

[fervent elm]

F

[turbid locust]

Yeah besides I would want the PCIe slots for a PCIe SATA card and whatnot too

[topaz veldt]

(and the apu doesn't do it well anyway)

[topaz veldt]

a lot of boards have on board sata of like 6 - 8 ports which is enough

so like... if i can be completely honest

[brave panther]

Lsi card in it mode

[topaz veldt]

you can do it all in one box but its very strategic

or you can build a low power NAS/virtualization box and then do a small transcoder out of an intel something

like a dell sff makes a great plex transcoder

[fervent elm]

12th gen Intel is dirt cheap on the low
12100 box could work

[topaz veldt]

10th gen and 11th gen are more than enough

[fervent elm]

True

[topaz veldt]

people use i3's

there is a matrix of supported transcoding/encoding features - like if you need av1 (you don't) then I think you need 12th or 13th gen

[turbid locust]

where put the storage tho

[topaz veldt]

nas box

[turbid locust]

Oh a separate machine for plex transcode?

[topaz veldt]

build nas box out of what you have on hand

[fervent elm]

Ah
A 10100 is like 50$ on ebay
Cheap 1200 board
Could work

[topaz veldt]

and then buy a like $80 dell SFF box off ebay

[turbid locust]

okay that opens up a new question then: is it fine to do a raid array via container or

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-hmm-come-again-excuse-me-key-and-peele-gif-16137591

[turbid locust]

tbh idk what I’m asking

[topaz veldt]

lol thats ok

[brisk jolt]

I understand like 10% of this conversation

[wild trench]

Maybe you know? #tech-chat-1 message

[topaz veldt]

so your storage, unless you are very experienced, should not run from out of a vm/container

I would run TrueNAS on the nas personally

[turbid locust]

Can TrueNAS do other shit

[topaz veldt]

then whatever small intel plex box you find just connect that via nfs or cifs

[turbid locust]

can TrueNAS do self hosty shit

[topaz veldt]

yes it can - it now runs Linux and can run KVM VMs like Proxmox

[turbid locust]

sick

[topaz veldt]

You can run a "container worker node" like an Ubuntu VM on TrueNAS, and then do all your fucky container shit in that VM

TrueNAS is not as flexible as a hypervisor as Proxmox, but both are imperfect for that to be honest

so the clunkiness on both is about equal

[molten iron]

hey i have Helldivers 2 installed, and I downloaded the Helldivers 2 Mod Manager from Nexus Mods. The website said the file was safe, so I downloaded it and have been using it to add visual/audio mods to my game. I used VirusTotal for all the mods I installed, however, I decided to throw the .exe file for the mod manager into VT and found this:

I have had this thing installed for nearly 7 months now...

I have never personally heard of these 2 antiviruses, however, I did a scan with malwarebytes and specifically selected my storage device where i keep the app, and it said it was clean

[turbid locust]

inb4 container in proxmox in TrueNAS container

[topaz veldt]

soooo - I used to run TrueNAS in a VM with the HBA passed thru

on vSphere

[turbid locust]

Scary

[topaz veldt]

well think about it

so TrueNAS is not a great hypervisor, but it has the best way of managing storage

so I put a like 240 GB SSD in a server with 24 bay backplane connected to an HBA. Installed ESXi on 240GB and the TrueNAS boot volume on that 240GB datastore. Then passed the HBA thru to the TrueNAS VM, it sees all the real disks in the server, and then I present that back out to the host that it lives on via NFS

[turbid locust]

I’m gonna pretend I understood wtf you just said

[topaz veldt]

Then, I could mount the storage that the TrueNAS VM managed, in the server itself, back to the server itself, and VMs on that

LOL its like storage inception

[turbid locust]

I’m not in a position to be buying all the storage and whatnot right now anyway, but want to make a build and have an actual separate “server” machine as I think I’m more likely to commit to it vs having some random tower under my desk

[topaz veldt]

so do you want like consumer grade shit or an actual server server

[turbid locust]

Because I’ve played with proxmox and self hosted stuff in the past and eventually lost interest because the hardware setup wasn’t there/got overwhelmed

[turbid locust]

Well full honesty idk lol

[devout ridge]

you got a rack?

[turbid locust]

I think I want to have the least financial burden as possible to start lol

[topaz veldt]

so do a VM on AWS

[turbid locust]

accidentally spends 5 billion

[topaz veldt]

nah - free tier for one year

[fervent elm]

old 2011 v3 server

[topaz veldt]

yeah don't do that

[turbid locust]

What can one do with this

[topaz veldt]

or if you do have the AM5 shit laying around just put it together with like a shitty sata ssd and an nvme drive

[topaz veldt]

get exposure to networking shit and virtualization shit without having to plug cables in

[devout ridge]

dell r630 my beloved

[turbid locust]

Fair but that’s part of the fun, no? lol

[fervent elm]

Mm 200w

[topaz veldt]

is it?

container people don't like plugging in cables

(I would argue they can't)

[turbid locust]

Also how do cache drives work

[devout ridge]

i like leaving my rack nice and tidy, and in another room, then sitting at my desk doing whatever the fuck i want with my rack via VMs and containers

you slot in drive, you list it as cache during setup, done

[topaz veldt]

they don't

ignore that nonsense

[turbid locust]

word

[topaz veldt]

with a single person using a system nothing is "cached"

data access frequency is too low to do anything worthwhile

[turbid locust]

How miserable would it be to setup network booting on the same system

[topaz veldt]

netbooyxyz

[devout ridge]

uh, you can’t…?

[topaz veldt]

netbootxyz

[pure garnet]

lenovo used to ship tiny 16gb ssds with hard drives and call them cache drives

[devout ridge]

you need two systems afaik, one to host, one to boot from that host

[topaz veldt]

wait you want to netboot the server?

or netboot FROM the server

[turbid locust]

from

[topaz veldt]

yeah thats a container

[turbid locust]

like PXE boot from server

[topaz veldt]

then you need a pxe boot shit on firewall/dhcp whatever

yeah

[turbid locust]

type shit

[topaz veldt]

i got that shit

[turbid locust]

Would that not fuck with hardware pass through fuckery or

The goal would be to have bootable isos on NAS

so when I go to like set up a test bench or install windows on something I can just kinda not do the whole USB drive and Rufus thing

[topaz veldt]

has nothing to do with hardware pass thru

windows netboot is exhausting btw

i would not count on pxe booting your win11 install

that situation is so completely fucked any more

[turbid locust]

makes sense

[fervent elm]

Theoretically theyre supposed to be able to pull from a number of slow drives to then push it to you quickly but ehhh unless youre throughputting a lot of drives you don't need it (iirc)

[topaz veldt]

thats not how it works

it wholly depends on the filesystem/array type

[fervent elm]

Late night bs from me it is then
Auh

[topaz veldt]

but something like truenas/zfs there is a write intel log (ZIL) that writes to RAM before it writes to disk (this makes it fast) and then there's L2_ARC which is a read cache, which almost does nothing ever at all

[turbid locust]

How much does ram matter

In terms of capacity

[topaz veldt]

depends on how much storage and the use

if you had 100TB of storage I'd say you prob want like 256GB of RAM in a lab

but if you have like 24TB you would be fine with 32GB

[turbid locust]

Cool

[topaz veldt]

the fun part about ZFS memory reqs is... you only need as much memory as you can fill up while it drains

so like... if you have 1 Gbps network, you can technically use very little RAM because you can't write data fast enough over the network that the RAM can't put its contents to disk as fast

there are caveats and such but that's generally how it works

in ZFS if you allow async writes (meaning the data gets written to RAM, THEN disk) you get insane write performance despite the actual storage config. If you have sync writes, you will write to RAM and disk in parallel and that will suck

but so if you have like 10 - 25 Gbps networking and like 10 clients hitting it, 32GB of RAM could fill and not drain down to a shitty like 4-disk ZFS pool fast enough

[devout ridge]

if you do async writes, have a good UPS

[topaz veldt]

or don't care

[devout ridge]

what about those precious linux ISOs you’re storing?

[topaz veldt]

They can be redownloaded 😉

you won't lose anything thats stored, just in flight

[devout ridge]

Fair

[topaz veldt]

if your writes are so crucial then you'd run sync and or not be jank

some methodologies don't have a concept of sync/no, like iSCSI

iSCSI is all async by definition

those are zvols though not datasets

[turbid locust]

1gbps network 🙂

[topaz veldt]

yeah for home/lab use 32GB is plenty (if running VMs mostly elsewhere, too)

truenas needs like 12-16GB of RAM to be good, so 16GB excess woudl let you run a few VMs in addition

[turbid locust]

Yeah I plan to throw my 32GB H16M kit in

[topaz veldt]

yeah it'd be fine

[turbid locust]

hmmm yeah I’ll go ahead and use my AM5 stuff. Gonna be starting with the VM and self hosted stuff first anyways. Storage and NAS later

[topaz veldt]

yeah see if you even want to fuck with it

[turbid locust]

I’ll have to figure out my portforwarding situation and whatnot. Might have to give my isp more money for a static ip idk lol

[topaz veldt]

no you won't

you just setup noip and a reverse proxy

[turbid locust]

adding it to the “fuckin google it, Mac” list

[brave panther]

Just use tailscale for remote access

[turbid locust]

Tried it once and couldn’t get it to work

[brisk jolt]

issue of skill

[heavy mantle]

Wording it like that linguistically makes it to be a hardship of finding a trade or job to have lol

[brisk jolt]

Okay. Ill tell you why I wanna destroy arasaka but Ill only say it once-

[meager saffron]

my laptop has the 9955hx3d i turned off half the cores i can also watercool my laptop: amd has pretty shity idle power draw but better effciency when it actually runs things. This means my poor 16inch laptop 80w battery only lasts like 1hour 30. If you looking for battery life laptop go intel. If you going for pure gaming where 3dvcache is used yes go amd. If your productive like in editing where you might need to have thunderbolt go intel. Heat wise this chip is a fire pit but all cpus 275k/285k and 9955hx3d are all portals to hell if you let it. meaning if i let my cpu go 99c/100c it can to hit max boost clock in games. Even when under AIO ill hit 90s i use x86 utility tool to limit how hot the cpu gets meaning it is infact limited on the clock speeds i went amd cause i wanted teh vcache for games where it isinfact like 10-25% better 1% lows when I do game. I dont know anyone who really wants a long lasting gaming laptop off the battery unless they intend to actually do alot more work on their laptop over gaming. Laptops in general automatcally kick in throttle mode if its unplugged.

[ember cliff]

I opted for remote desktop over that

[pure grail]

If you looking for battery life laptop go intel
this isnt an all amd problem its an HX cpu problem, they use the same chiplet io die setup which is trash for battery life bc of the power to connections needed
the H/ HS/ ryzen AI __ branded ones are monolithic dies and dont have this issue

[brisk jolt]

yeah i wonder why my laptop with HX eats battery

[livid flame]

LOL you bought that hybrid laptop where you can plug in an AIO?

I remember seeing temps go higher on CPU on a review using that block

[pure grail]

rewatched the review of xmg neo 16 with liquid cooler and it sustained 110w cpu 175w gpu at 90c and 70c respectively
without it they were both in 90c's while only having 70w cpu but still 175w gpu

[frosty prism]

And has some of the longest lasting laptop?
The reason yours is bad is due to the extra cache always needing to be powered on so the cpu never fully sleeps, also Intels 285hx and what not arrow lake laptop CPUs are amazing.

[hollow hull]

thunderbolt too good to give up

[frosty prism]

Amd laptops can have Thunderbolt?

Thunderbolt™ 4 with USB Type-C® 40Gbps signaling rate (USB Power Delivery, DisplayPort™ 2.1)
https://www.hp.com/gb-en/shop/product.aspx?id=A3ZH4ET&opt=ABU&sel=NTB

Thunderbolt is just a chip you can slap in wherever you want

Slap some PCIe and a display out from your igpus or dgpu and boom Thunderbolt and some extra power

[fringe vigil]

It’s like I’ve been waiting my whole life

For this one night

[dusky juniper]

?

[fringe vigil]

The fact you don’t get it

[pure grail]

isnt usb4 like required to be functionally identical to at least tb3

[fringe vigil]

Failed vibe check

Inception?

[frosty prism]

fun fact a lot of early x670 boards just used a thunderbolt 4 chip, guiltys does i think

[dusky juniper]

yo chat would a 14.5" 3k oled laptop display be a huge diff compared to a 27" 1440p monitor

[frosty prism]

very

[dusky juniper]

damn rip

i hope i wont notice it too much coz i dont wanna get an oled monitor

[frosty prism]

That laptop would be like 3x the ppi or some shit

[dusky juniper]

ye but i think a larger display will always be better

[frosty prism]

well yes ofc it will

you will sit further away from it so the difference will not be as big

[dusky juniper]

ye

[brisk jolt]

at least twice the ppi

[dusky juniper]

damn alr, but i think bigger size > higher ppi

[brisk jolt]

cant notice the ppi if it isnt straight in the face

[dusky juniper]

true

my current monitor is like roughly 1m away

[minor herald]

i think you shoud be hitting a pixles/arc second targets and fov targets over just ppi/size

[shell void]

XG32UCWMG price increased from $950 to $1100, and availability delayed from mid august to mid september
https://youtu.be/6JuMQvivVCM

looks nice tho

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/luigis-mansion-sleep-gif-23758548

atp michael is gonna make an engram of himself waiting for this asus product to come out

[shell void]

i feel like a dog running on a treadmill with a steak dangling in front of my face

[brisk jolt]

4k 480 gonna come out before ur asus glossy istg

Hows the story on that 6 hour failed monitor

[shell void]

i’m going to have to return it

preferably for a refund

i just tried it again this morning after leaving it unplugged all night and yeah there’s no display

[frosty prism]

rip

[steel stream]

RIP 5070 Ti

[wraith steeple]

[frosty prism]

o hey that is when i start school

[steel stream]

I start the 25th luckily

[shell void]

man we are just getting shafted lately

[frosty prism]

o wow

[steel stream]

Just gotta keep our heads up high

[frosty prism]

i have no clue when i should come in

nope i found out

wow im coming in late

[shell void]

a test of patience

astaghfirullah

[steel stream]

🙏

good things come to those who wait

[fresh grotto]

i love it when you buy a monitor arm that can support your monitors weight and then it slowly looks at you dissaprovingly

ill give it a couple of months before i wake up bcs my monitor broke the arm 🤣