tech-chat-2

[slim pebble]

The Tomahawk led their testing though for max frequency.

[edgy laurel]

if they want to put in a stupid high end feature only some people will use, i still think it should be an SFP+ port

[slim pebble]

Those differences are tiny though

[shell void]

yeah like where's the sfp or u.3 or mcio or other prosumer features

it's just a $1000 beauty board for rich noobs and youtube showcases

[edgy laurel]

I know one of 5nails board has a x4 SlimSAS port

that I think he's using? or was trying to

[shell void]

the hero has that

[slim pebble]

It just hangs off the chipset

You’re still sharing those same PCIE 4.0x4 lanes

[edgy laurel]

Its a feature, they still work just fine

[slim pebble]

Oh definitely, I think you can do slimsas to u.2 to an SSD

Or to a slot or whatever

[topaz veldt]

So fucking annoying the 5090s dont work right with the G9 Neo

[steel stream]

buy another one to make sure

[topaz veldt]

lol

I have confirmed on two, I am convinced

[edgy laurel]

wait, why?

[topaz veldt]

This is a ridiculous question I have always wondered - are all DP ports on Nvidia GPUs given the same priority in terms of refresh/etc.?

wait why what

[edgy laurel]

what doesn't work?

[topaz veldt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/1kb71e2/samsung_g95nc_57_g9_5090_240hz_flickering_fix/

same issue on G9 Neo 49"

[edgy laurel]

things get weird when you require the use of two "heads"

[topaz veldt]

two what

i got one head bro

its big, but its just one

[slim pebble]

What wait, how?! I was going to get one of those monitors

[edgy laurel]

there is more than one https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/discussions/396

[topaz veldt]

Yeah man - been an issue since the day I got my 5090 TUF OC

[edgy laurel]

why sometimes depending on the displays used, you may only be able to run 3 monitors

[steel stream]

i don't see the problem, just pretend like you are at some super shitty rave /s

[topaz veldt]

Interesting

[edgy laurel]

instead of the 4 you have physical outputs for

When a display is connected to the GPU and is set to DSC mode, the GPU may use two internal heads to drive the display when the pixel rate needed to drive the display mode exceeds the GPU’s single head limit. This may affect your display topology when using multiple monitors. For example if two displays with support for DSC are connected to a single GeForce GPU, all 4 internal heads will be utilized and you will not be able to use a third monitor with the GPU at the same time.

[topaz veldt]

I am only looking to run the single 5120x1440 @ 240, but she flickers bad

Going to try HDMI once I get off this call

[edgy laurel]

but I haven't actually read the problem yet lol

[slim pebble]

It’s such a pretty monitor

[shell void]

if you enable "VRR Control" in the monitor's OSD then flicker should totally go away, but input delay will go up by a few milliseconds, and you might feel occasional microstuttering

worth a shot though IMO

[edgy laurel]

i'm going to assume its not as simple as a flaky cable

or, that that's been tested

[shell void]

hes experiencing it on two different 5090 systems and two different monitors so it's probably just a 5090 + g9 neo issue unfortunately

[edgy laurel]

sure, but if its been the same cable the whole time, never can be too careful. the dumb shit is what can bite you

[final glacier]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Desperate-measures-to-save-Intel-US-reportedly-forcing-TSMC-to-buy-49-stake-in-Intel-to-secure-tariff-relief-for-Taiwan.1079424.0.html

[topaz veldt]

with that on it flickers

I just disabled

[topaz veldt]

no, multiple cables, multiple G9 Neos

[shell void]

it's under System at the bottom

[edgy laurel]

rtings

[topaz veldt]

that is on

[topaz veldt]

ah shit, right, this is not hdmi 2.1

Its a driver issue/GPU issue

[shell void]

oh weird

i havent heard of enabling that causing flicker

it usually eliminates flicker at the cost of latency and potential stutters

[topaz veldt]

yeah its a weird issue with 5090 and G9s

[edgy laurel]

so, it is, but that display requires more at 240hz

and it doesn't support DSC over HDMI

[topaz veldt]

its only at desktop, too

[shell void]

do you have g-sync set to fullscreen and windowed?

ive had issues with 50 series and having g sync enabled for windowed apps

stuttering, flickering, etc

[edgy laurel]

i hate when i forget to toggle that back on

[topaz veldt]

where dat

[shell void]

so i set it to only fullscreen if i use it

[topaz veldt]

wait wait

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-releases-geforce-580-88-whql-game-ready-drivers.339459/

[edgy laurel]

if its off, by default, VRR doesn't work for me in borderless

[topaz veldt]

Samsung 57" Odyssey Neo G9: Momentary flicker may be observed when resizing window [5243530]

maybe this driver will fix it

[shell void]

inshallah

[topaz veldt]

I am on 577.00

[edgy laurel]

The driver also fixes flickering issues during window resize with the Samsung 57-inch Odyssey Neo G9

thats the 57 though

[topaz veldt]

Gonna give it a shot

[shell void]

577.00 was the most rock solid driver for me so far

i have chrome issues again on 580.88

but if it might fix your g9 issues then thatll be cool

[topaz veldt]

People said some 572.xx version fixed this, but it breaks game support obv

[edgy laurel]

totally different monitor

but yolo

[topaz veldt]

different monitor but for some reason the 57" and 49" have the same issues generally

OK lets see

[young void]

Called you a goat in nvidia 🐌

[slim pebble]

I think I’m still on 570 or 575? Old ass driver.

[topaz veldt]

Nope, still flickers

[shell void]

[steel stream]

agony

[topaz veldt]

annoying af

[steel stream]

time for a new display

[topaz veldt]

lol the prob is I can't get rid of these

[shell void]

does disabling vrr entirely make it go away?

[topaz veldt]

let me see

should I do that in the monitor or nvidia control

[edgy laurel]

if you just turn VRR off completely

oh shit.. dammit michael

[edgy laurel]

thinking the same thing

[topaz veldt]

Let's see

[edgy laurel]

turn off VRR on the monitor too, just for the sake of it

[topaz veldt]

disabling G-Sync in NCP fixed it

[edgy laurel]

AdaptiveSync = off

[shell void]

i guess youll have to join the dark side of no vrr

[edgy laurel]

its cute, he's still in NVCP

[topaz veldt]

They haven't pried it from my hands yet

[edgy laurel]

lol

[topaz veldt]

I mean... i wonder if I really need VRR

[edgy laurel]

well, see how the no VRR life is and if you have tearing issues that bother you

[shell void]

i care about vrr a whole lot less now that framegen is a thing

[topaz veldt]

yeah

[shell void]

using framegen with vrr setup properly is lame because then your rendered framerate gets limited

[edgy laurel]

using it with this is https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1lokih2/putting_misconceptions_about_optimal_fps_caps/

[shell void]

no way man

[edgy laurel]

so smooth man

[shell void]

i mean sure it's smooth, but you get stuck with rendering less than 60fps on your 120hz 116fps display

58fps best case scenario

often quite a bit under that especially with lows

[edgy laurel]

how? i'm seeing a nearly locked 116fps

[shell void]

i prefer to just render like 100 and enable 2x and have lower latency

[shell void]

yes and half of those are generated

[edgy laurel]

that is, if I use FG at all which isn't always.

[shell void]

if youre limited to 116fps and youre using 2x framegen then you are rendering at most 58 frames

[edgy laurel]

I'm happier to go to Performance mode (transformer) over using FG

[topaz veldt]

You guys start talking full greek to me

[pure garnet]

the good side

[topaz veldt]

I just enable G Sync and play games... except for the G9 neo lately because it flickers

[wise bear]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one lost in all of this shit

[edgy laurel]

wait so you're saying the base framerate is being brought down? I'm talking about when I start at say 90-100

[pure garnet]

the only place i want my display to go into power saving mode during use is my phone really

[topaz veldt]

Guilty and team go full nvidia driver speak deep

[shell void]

mhm

if youre using 2x framegen and you have a 116fps limit with VRR

you are rendering at most 58 frames per second

[edgy laurel]

its one of those things where I guess if the end result feels good, meh

[shell void]

yeah if it hasnt bothered you up until now then whatever

i enjoy VRR more without framegen and vice versa

[edgy laurel]

nothing is going to help that one city in Diablo though, except maybe a 14900k

[shell void]

VRR w/o FG
FG w/o VRR

[shell void]

same generally, but not always if im using ray reconstruction

it gets pretty smeary and warbly

anything below quality annoys me with ray reconstruction

[edgy laurel]

Yeah I can't notice, which i'm happy about

[shell void]

with basic raster lighting even the performance mode is still really clear

[young void]

I need to play more games and test things

[shell void]

i need to find an elevator, it's very noticeable in there

[topaz veldt]

i need to find a food for lunch

[edgy laurel]

Cyberpunk, if i'm honest, has some strangeness to it

[topaz veldt]

that game is odd

[edgy laurel]

graphically

[wise bear]

sushi or ramen

[turbid locust]

I made a Chicken Cesar Salad

[topaz veldt]

ehh i don't feel like going out

[topaz veldt]

im thinking something along these lines

[wise bear]

who tf said anything about going out

[pure garnet]

does dlss just struggle with trees a lot

[topaz veldt]

i don't have a fish to eat

[edgy laurel]

damn, i miss Palermos in Lansdale. The most badass grilled chicken on their salads

[pure garnet]

i found transformer quality at 1440p to still be a downgrade

[wise bear]

My guy, instacart

[topaz veldt]

you don't let instacart pick sushi

[topaz veldt]

solid - there's one in blue bell also

[steel stream]

instacart :(

[topaz veldt]

The only time I go out for lunch is if I have to go on site (rare) or if I am running an errand, otherwise I just make something

[turbid locust]

Do not use delivery for produce/fresh stuff lmao

[wise bear]

fuckin' idk, chicken blt

[turbid locust]

You will end up with the worst shit

[shell void]

watch the road, the crosswalk, and the sidewalk
observe how everything softens and smears in motion, and also sorta looks like it's flashing or warbling

those are artifacts caused by using ray reconstruction with a low render resolution (1080p)

[topaz veldt]

always fails

[shell void]

if you cant see it then count yourself lucky that youre not as picky as me i guess

[wise bear]

I dunno dude, wallyworld does a good job of picking me good ears of corn & sizeable tomatoes

[turbid locust]

HWS doesn’t want my 7900XTX

[steel stream]

yeah I notice it, but idk if I would during general gameplay

[shell void]

it's really obvious if you fullscreen the video and watch this section of the road

[shell void]

i see it constantly while trying to play and it's annoying

everything looks like it's smeary and out of focus until you stop moving

[steel stream]

yeah I see it

[steel stream]

Half the times with DoorDash my stuff gets messed up, I can't imagine someone going grocery shopping for me

[shell void]

but then DLSS Quality without Ray Reconstruction is really impressive, idk if i'd be able to confidently pick it out in a controlled blind test

and nearly doubles the framerate

[wise bear]

Why are we reconstructing Ray, I thought he died like 4 years ago

[shell void]

it's only ray reconstruction that annoys me

[wise bear]

you can't reconstruct decomp

[shell void]

holy optimal

[wise bear]

dammit sim you beat me to it

[frosty prism]

haha

[edgy laurel]

my 10th gen U series chip has a conniption trying to play this back in browser, lemme download it

[shell void]

it's 75Mbps av1 xd

i wanted to make sure that compression wouldnt be confused for what i was trying to show you

[frosty prism]

im so considering a quest 3

sweet sweet av1

[shell void]

pretty nice display for the price

and the passthrough is so much better than q2

[frosty prism]

considering going for one of em used for like 400$

its so spensive still

well ok for what you are getting not at all

[shell void]

theyre probably not making much per unit sale

they wanna get you with game pricing and such

unless they upcharge you on storage, in which case they are making money off of you xd

[frosty prism]

quest + or meta+ or whatever it is

[shell void]

but if you get the base 128GB model and use it for PCVR then it's a pretty good value

[frosty prism]

i just buy everything on steam as i just cant do the quest store it just feels worng

[frosty prism]

ofc that is the main plan

main thing is seeing if anyone is interested in a quest 2 tbf got the elite strap and a case

[edgy laurel]

I dunno if watching this back with dropped frames on this 1080p TN is doing much justice to it

[shell void]

yeah probably not

fullscreen the video on your C2 when you get home

[pure garnet]

did you get mega downvoted

[turbid locust]

No, just zero comments or interest shown lol

Like if it’s the price, I put OBO bruh

at least lowball me like

[pure garnet]

xtx really sits in a weird spot rn huh

[turbid locust]

Yeah

[pure garnet]

didn't realize it was that close to 5070ti/9070xt but with mega power draw

[turbid locust]

Yeah

9070XT is basically a more power efficient XTX with better upscaling

[frank zealot]

and better RT

[frosty prism]

way better

[frank zealot]

and cheaper

[shell void]

yeah you might as well pretend RT doesnt exist on rdna3

ive seen cases where the 9060XT 16GB embarrasses all of RDNA3 in RT gaming

[frosty prism]

wat

[brisk jolt]

what is RT on RDNA3

[arctic bronze]

How come rx 7000 fell off so hard?

[frosty prism]

still fine enough

[shell void]

nonexistent RT performance and no access to good upscaling

[arctic bronze]

I see

[frosty prism]

it still has usable RT performance

[shell void]

no not really

[topaz veldt]

@shell void UPS replied - they said "fuck Zotac"

[frank zealot]

RDNA 3 was cool? Kinda?
But after the RX 9000 series, it got clowned hard

[brisk jolt]

the XTX is at most pulling it to a 4070 in RT

[topaz veldt]

ehhhhh

[frosty prism]

at 1440p its about a 3090

[topaz veldt]

thats not a good comparison

[frosty prism]

20% worse then a 4080 super

[topaz veldt]

A 7900 XTX having "about the same performance" as a 2-3 year old card prior to it... is not good

as a former 7900 XTX owner I honestly never ran RT on it, it was that bad

[frosty prism]

i still run RT

[shell void]

you might as well pretend RT doesnt exist if you have a RDNA2/RDNA3 card

[frosty prism]

where is the XTX

[shell void]

it does okay for the games that force a minimal amount of RT functionality, but i wouldnt enable it on purpose

[brisk jolt]

i ate the xtx

[green marsh]

somone in my country is selling that stupid thermaltake case

😄

[frosty prism]

i suspect 3k

2017 psu and a 3090

[green marsh]

nah, he is selling just the case and fans

[frosty prism]

lga 1200 too?

ok maybe not

[shell void]

found it

[topaz veldt]

@shell void I am watching that Tech Notice video... dude does weird shit

He ran a 360mm aio with the outter fans on one speed and the center fan plugged into the CPU header

[green marsh]

also super old NZXT cases being sold

[shell void]

[frosty prism]

its not THAT far from a 9070 but yeeeaaa its still some basic distance from a 4070 even

[frank zealot]

So, since I love finding weird shit on FBM....

May I present, a Banana... thing....

[shell void]

yeah youre not even getting 60fps at 1440p and you dont have access to good upscaling

so i wouldnt bother purposefully enabling RT

[topaz veldt]

yeah 7900XTX is in a sad spot

[shell void]

at least you can get decent framegen now with xess 2.1

[topaz veldt]

no FSR4 and not good at RT

if you just play raster though its decent

[frank zealot]

yooooooooo:

[green marsh]

people in US having hard time finding classic beige ATX cases. Meanwhile here even AT is cheapo 😄

[topaz veldt]

We don't have a hard time finding them at all

[frosty prism]

look at this person wanting to build people computers

[topaz veldt]

whats wrong with it

[green marsh]

people always complained how they can't get them cheap. Here they go for 5-10 euros

[shell void]

KABOOOOM

[pure garnet]

the strix aio with the bomb psu and cheap everything else is kinda fire

[topaz veldt]

I dunno who that is, but you can go to like any library/public school discard day and get all sorts of e-waste

[frank zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-anna-kendrick-pitch-perfect-pitch-perfect2-mic-drop-gif-14161200

[green marsh]

also the radiator will make noise after some time

[topaz veldt]

why

[green marsh]

air bubbles at inlet

[topaz veldt]

pump is below the highest point bud

[green marsh]

which saves the pump from having air bubbles. But not the radiator inlet. You want pump bellow highest point AND radiator inlets being bellow the highest point

[frosty prism]

every build he has pics of the tubing is on the top

[shell void]

@topaz veldt i really wish the Z890 Aero D was available in USA

such an awesome EATX white board

[topaz veldt]

You are overthinking this - the inlet/outlet doesn't matter, the radiator is always going to have something flowing at its highest

[frosty prism]

ok well here the rad is on the top

[topaz veldt]

Its nice to look at - which it wasn't eatx

[shell void]

it being eatx is half of its aura

[frank zealot]

which is fine.

As long as the rad is the highest point in the loop, and it is.

[topaz veldt]

its all of my despise

[pure garnet]

the gigabyte ice stuff is honestly really nice looking for white boards

i just don't wanna overpay for paint

[shell void]

yeah they easily make the prettiest white boards

[topaz veldt]

installed

[frosty prism]

well over time there will not be enough water to return to be able to be pumped

[shell void]

cool beans

id love to see what that computer looks like with all of the lighting set to purple

you always do toothpaste color

[topaz veldt]

can't change the color of the DP logo

[slim pebble]

That is really clean looking!

[green marsh]

it will work, as flow will be going. But it will make bubbling noises

[pure garnet]

if my aio has burnt off considerable amounts of fluid it's being replaced anyhow

[topaz veldt]

It won't though - I have done it... its not like the radiator cares that the tube is at the top vs. the end tank

[brisk jolt]

intel back at $20 we are so back

[shell void]

i have run front intake aios for years and havent had issues

[green marsh]

whe new or when some of the water evaporated ?

[topaz veldt]

I have a 7800X3D stuffed behind a sofa that has run this since new

[pure garnet]

i prefer the look of top mount but yeah i run front mount without issues

[topaz veldt]

There is going to be a void in the AIO no matter what

[frosty prism]

its fine but best practice is tubing being on the underside

[topaz veldt]

it literally doesn't matter, they're not vacuum filled

[shell void]

if you care about lifespan then your bigger concern would be not running the pump at 100% 24/7

put it to 50%

[topaz veldt]

This is an HTPC and I cannot hear it

I've built like.... 20 machines like that, doesn't matter

if there is that much air in the AIO it won't matter if the tubes are on top or bottom

[edgy laurel]

when the whole "tubes down" thing started, I was very confused. It was never a problem for me years before.

[pure garnet]

did gn say tubes down or something

[topaz veldt]

Nah dude - its GN stuff misunderstood

[pure garnet]

i remember people flipped out over aio placement bc of that

[topaz veldt]

It literally doesn't matter

[shell void]

just dont have the pump be the highest part of the loop, and dont run your pump at 100% signal 24/7

[topaz veldt]

The radiator is quite literally a series of tubes, having the rubber tubes in a spot doesn't change the air or not

[pure garnet]

if i use the artic all in one cable it's not pinned to 100% right

[topaz veldt]

I run my DDC pump 100% for..... since my 9900k 🙂 still going 🙂

[edgy laurel]

pretty sure my EK360's pump has been 24/7 for nearly 5 years

[shell void]

i havent used the combined cable, but i think snail played around with it

[topaz veldt]

the combined cable on Arctic shit is fundamentally broken

[pure garnet]

i'll swap to the other cable when i rebuild then

[topaz veldt]

It works, but the speed is basically "i dunno"

[shell void]

that's nice

[final glacier]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/pci-sig-announces-pci-express-8-0-set-to-offer-up-to-1-tb-s-of-bandwidth

[shell void]

ill continue running 50% because ive done testing and there's no performance difference but it's much quieter

[topaz veldt]

they are multiplexing the VRM fan and the pump speed over the same wires, and that makes the detected speed faster than it is

[topaz veldt]

what bout 48% though

or 52% 😐

[edgy laurel]

so they're combining tach signals?

[topaz veldt]

ya

[shell void]

ive tested 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100

[edgy laurel]

that can't end well

[shell void]

there's basically 0 performance gain over 40% on my LF3 420

[topaz veldt]

It "works" but if you're trying to set things by RPM or understand RPM its erroneous

[edgy laurel]

yeah

[topaz veldt]

So the prob is your combined RPM reads like 4600 RPM... but the pump can only do 2900... so its like... wtf is it doing

[shell void]

if youre running a custom loop with a lot more water and rad and two blocks then you might want more pump speed

[pure garnet]

my combined is reporting 700rpm

[shell void]

but i think they just default to 100% on aios so they evaporate and die faster tbh

[edgy laurel]

maybe i should lower my EK360's pump lol.. i don't even remember where its controlled. probably the BIOS, that board had a pump header

[topaz veldt]

I just run 100% pump because quality pumps don't really make a ton of noise, AIOs I guess can, I dunno - I just run all my pumps 100% I have never had a noise issue

Boards run AIO pumps at 100% by default

[slim pebble]

Ray tracing does not exist and makes no difference 😄.

[edgy laurel]

yeah i can't say I've ever heard it either

[shell void]

my lf3 420 pump is super noisy at 100

and i can hear water sloshing around

[topaz veldt]

Yeah some AIO pumps are noisy, I had a DeepCool LT520 that had it, returned it

[topaz veldt]

too much air

[shell void]

60% is inaudible from where i sit, and 40% is pretty much inaudible period

[slim pebble]

I can’t hear anything over the roar of about 10 P14 pro max fans

[topaz veldt]

I can't hear anything over my fps

[edgy laurel]

you can't hear anything over your coil whine 🤣

[shell void]

do you keep them at 100%? xd

pro and max fans are so frickin loud at max speed

[frank zealot]

dats a cool case you won't see often:

[edgy laurel]

3000RPM? Thats way too fast for 100% all the time

[slim pebble]

No that’s only when I’m running some bench, lie CB23 all core stress or OCCT memory test

They aren’t bad when gaming

Gaming isn’t all core 100% for 20 minutes

[edgy laurel]

😆

https://www.ign.com/articles/over-9000-people-were-sitting-on-the-battlefield-6-open-beta-on-steam-messing-about-with-settings-nearly-as-many-people-who-were-playing-2042

more than were playing 2042

[topaz veldt]

zero coil whine this round brother

[steel stream]

that means your FPS is too low

[frank zealot]

thank you FBM for showing me some truly random, bizarre shit:

[shell void]

woah

just the fans in my pc case amount to 28W

[steel stream]

LTT will buy it and put a PC case in it

[shell void]

my UPS went from 199W to 227W when i changed them from off to full speed

[steel stream]

but that looks fucking awesome

[wise bear]

Somebody totally used this for a certain kind of storage chest

[frank zealot]

I wouldn't, there's probably lead in that shizz, and... you do NOT want that

[wise bear]

Hey some people are mega stupid, so

[frank zealot]

they are at that

but honestly, nobody need booty or coochie lead poisoning

[wise bear]

I was trying to be LOWKEY

[frank zealot]

I ain't no Loki

or am I?

[wise bear]

yeah I know, hightumbler

[frank zealot]

Okay, this is a thing, but not worht the money:
Dude wants 85$ per dell tiny on that

[topaz veldt]

Check it out

[merry stirrup]

85$ for the whole rack sure

not for one though 💀

[frank zealot]

it's worth well over that, but it sure as fuck ain't worth the 4 grand he's trying to get

[topaz veldt]

@shell void check that vid out above - also, I leave the side glass off... so it'd be as loud as possible really

[merry stirrup]

why would you ever need a cluster that large

this is a workload that would benefit more from a single 750ti if he needs that many machines in the cluster

memory ig but damn idk

[topaz veldt]

thats someone who got SFF PCs free from work

[frank zealot]

each of those boxes has 2 SODIMM slots. ain't all that good for RAM

[wise bear]

I bet it's some dude who got the entire stack on wholesale from a company doing upgrading en masse

[topaz veldt]

my on R740 is more powerful lol

[slim pebble]

Even the TUF?

[merry stirrup]

yeah but he actually set them up

[topaz veldt]

yeah its not hard

also theres no such things a kubernetes on "bare metal" - you deploy worker VMs, its VMs

[wise bear]

I'd do maybe 4 of those sff pcs just as a little cluster project to learn but I ain't running that many

[edgy laurel]

ok ok, thats pretty good. (now we find out you're on a different PC again 🤣

[topaz veldt]

Listen for yourself

[topaz veldt]

ha I am on both, or 3, or 4, always

[merry stirrup]

yeah idk i wouldn’t take the time 😭

too much effort to ultimately end up selling it right after

[slim pebble]

That is so gorgeous

I love the EK block

[wise bear]

I mean if its the little 19.5v powered units they're low-power enough that I wouldn't care leaving them running with a workload 24/7

[frank zealot]

holy fuck, well, credit for one way to advertise a phone:

But your description is... uhhhh.....

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-otter-rubbing-eyes-tired-irritated-gif-16638234

[frank zealot]

those were certainly all words

[topaz veldt]

there's 40 of them, if they draw even 7W each thats like 30W more than my entire R740 with 768GB of RAM and 6 x 10 Gbps NICs, etc.

[wise bear]

I've seen better posing from a dead gopher

[wise bear]

I was meaning if I had like, 4 of them

[steel stream]

what dead gophers are posting in your state??

[topaz veldt]

oh

[vestal granite]

i hate gophers

[wise bear]

Oregon's a wild place, dude.

[steel stream]

Rodent hater?

[vestal granite]

gopher hater

[steel stream]

cool

they kill your parents or something?

[vestal granite]

they would if they could

[steel stream]

kill all gophers?

[vestal granite]

not all of them just like enough to control their population for maybe the next 50 years

evil

those ones have to go, but these ones can stay:

[steel stream]

gopher aficionado

[frank zealot]

For sale "computer"

What's in it? Stuff. And DDR3. (from a pic)

[wise bear]

decent case

[frosty prism]

huh bet it would make a decent server

[frank zealot]

I wouldn't. 50/50 it even turns on

and I wouldn't trust a 1000W PSU that doesn't have the balls to put a name brand on the side

[young void]

It's the mystery orange fluid by the fan for me

[frank zealot]

for me, it's the blue CCFL Inverter next to the orange fluid

[frosty prism]

:3

[young void]

For 100$ myte be worth playing with/cleaning ups

[frosty prism]

yea no 50 take it or leave it

[frank zealot]

it does have some variety of gpu

probably trash, but it has one

[young void]

Right right

[topaz veldt]

I have a TT 1200W PSU that is OG tank... I should recable it and make people cringe

[frank zealot]

@edgy laurel
you peep this thing?

[young void]

Make hasteee

[topaz veldt]

too new

[outer radish]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpu-coolers,4181.html

[edgy laurel]

I hate it

[topaz veldt]

HW Cannucks did one too

[frank zealot]

solid reaction

[topaz veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bv7Tn4zqRc

Similar

[edgy laurel]

I saved this just to link it when this is asked... over and over again

[topaz veldt]

I am kind of bummed - my cooler wall is completely full

[shell void]

where will you set the jiushark jfk15????

[edgy laurel]

I bet my cooler isn't on there and you know what, it works just fine

(i didn't actually watch it lmao)

[topaz veldt]

that name is illegal

[shell void]

JiuShark JFK 🗣️

[topaz veldt]

D15 G2 is boss

[edgy laurel]

ngl I dont' really click on most tech videos right now, nothing really new and interesting that we don't already know at the moment

[topaz veldt]

(I have to NH-D15 G2s on my wall lol)

$300 in air coolers just chillin (pun)

[hoary hatch]

Oh good

The early 9060 non xt rumors were wrong

[edgy laurel]

i only bought the one for no reason. still NIB

[hoary hatch]

It is a cut down die

[topaz veldt]

which one

[edgy laurel]

FS140v3

chonky heatpipe boy

[shell void]

my nhd15 chromax is collecting dust

[topaz veldt]

ah yes

[topaz veldt]

same

[shell void]

so many d15s

[topaz veldt]

Theres a 3-4 heatsinks on the floor

SFF ones

[shell void]

is that a d14 in column 1, row 2, slot 2?

[topaz veldt]

yup!

[shell void]

[topaz veldt]

no wait

yes yes its a D14 and original D15 next to it

[shell void]

this one

[topaz veldt]

yes'm

[shell void]

this shelf kinda throws off the column and row order

[topaz veldt]

its all kind of random

$100 if you want to come zen it

#michael_heatsink_sorting_services

[shell void]

my remote consulting service is $250/Hr, if you want me to travel then that'll be $1000/Hr

[willow ruin]

Is this tablet battery expanded or nah? The corner plastic support is off, screen pops up now.

[topaz veldt]

we can make it work

send me an SOW and we'll ink it up

[frank zealot]

Snail, Guilty:
holy fuckballs:

[topaz veldt]

ah caselabs

[frank zealot]

1920 x 120mm worth of rads

that's a LOT of air cooling

[frank zealot]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA:
this one's funny

[topaz veldt]

lol why

oh shit lto5

[frank zealot]

that's over 5PB of tape

and for "Why is this being sold?!?!"

25 LB of PLA Scrap

Because.... useful?

[shell void]

idk can someone melt it down and reuse it?

[topaz veldt]

I guess you could?

[edgy laurel]

Can fit so much computer in this thing. Thats an absurd amount of radiator.

Case: CaseLabs TH10
CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K
Motherboard: Asrock Extreme11
GPU: 3x EVGA GTX 680 FTW
Memory: 64 Gb Corsair Dominator GT 1866
PSU: Corsair AX1200i
OS Drive: 2x 256 GB Samsung 840 SSD´s in Raid 0
Storage drive: 2x WD Red 2TB in raid 0
Soundcard: Asus Xonar Phoebus
Blue-Ray drive: LG

[shell void]

a company that was doing that would probably be buying a lot more than 25LB though

so idk very niche listing

[green marsh]

small caselabs

[edgy laurel]

I love cases where there is a second "maintenance area" thats not pretty but just has tubing and wire runs. the mechanical room of the case

[frank zealot]

that's a chonkity chonker of a Res, too

[shell void]

this is a very interesting piece

[steel stream]

I need more air coolers

[topaz veldt]

I know - which ones?

[edgy laurel]

i'm confused with the bit that appears to rise up and connect to the GPU's

[steel stream]

I've got my D15 G2 collecting dust, might as well buy more and start my own collection

[topaz veldt]

if you need advice let me know

[frank zealot]

lol, FBM: For Sale RTX 1660

[topaz veldt]

Vert? That you?

[frank zealot]

someone's flipping a 5060 for 250....

[topaz veldt]

lolwut

[frank zealot]

which is oddly reasonable

[steel stream]

will have to hit you up for sure

[shell void]

same that bit and the monoblock/distroplate whatever that is above it are weird

[topaz veldt]

lets get thru this together

I miss my full cover blocks

[shell void]

the blingbling dimms and the classified board

that was max aura back then

[topaz veldt]

and EK chipset block

record setter

used to compete on evga forums

[edgy laurel]

My brain read Ghost of Tsushima. Turns out it will be very different. https://discussingfilm.net/2025/08/04/james-cameron-ghosts-of-hiroshima-exclusive/

[steel stream]

I too thought of Ghost of Tsushima

I don't care for James Cameron anymore tbh

[shell void]

the boulders are plugged in at last

i am living vicariously

they look so cool

[steel stream]

Is that a 65"?

[shell void]

55 s95b

[hoary hatch]

TV too small

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-3311871195309494726

[topaz veldt]

that is divorce material

[steel stream]

95 class tv :(

But yeah those speakers absolutely dwarf the TV lol

[topaz veldt]

its to distract you from the small tv

"How small is this TV?"
"CAN YOU HEAR HOW LOUD THIS IS?"

[steel stream]

5nail just listen to the rocks man

[topaz veldt]

ugly

[steel stream]

I like them

[shell void]

wifey doesnt like the boulders?

[topaz veldt]

no visual warmth at all, 0/10

[steel stream]

Excited for my S90D

[shell void]

he bought a 77 g5 and 77 s95f and returned both

because both had firmware issues and werent big upgrades from the s95b

[steel stream]

I think he needs glasses

[shell void]

naw they do have firmware issues

[steel stream]

yeah ik that, but G5 should mog the S95B

Oh well, if they are happy I'll let him live his life

[topaz veldt]

so he got the bill

and wife was like nah breh

[shell void]

pretty sure this guy is single and doesnt have money problems

[topaz veldt]

then why did he buy such ugly speakers?

[shell void]

because theyre good

and i think they look cool

[topaz veldt]

so are a million other speakers that don't look like feet

no one single puts furniture sliders under their tv console

[shell void]

gigachad zoko does snail

[edgy laurel]

Genelecs are god tier but yeah, i'm sorry, they look like such ass

[shell void]

yeah the objective performance of the monitors is incredible

basically full range and flat as a board

dont even need sub(s)

only -6dB at 23Hz with a single unit in a chamber, with two units in a real room that'll be full 20-20KHz range

great horizontal dispersion too, very little difference up to 30 degrees off center

im surprised you guys think theyre ugly tho, i think they look badass

[steel stream]

nah I like them

[turbid locust]

I like them themselves but I think the color is off compared to your background

[shell void]

i asked him about the lighting because it looked kinda sickly but that's just the camera apparently

he's using 3000K room lighting

i hate when people use 5000K room lighting

[steel stream]

I've never ever thought about what lighting I've used

[shell void]

it's something you should learn about

the same room will look totally different with different lighting

[steel stream]

yuh ik that, I just have never bothered with it

[edgy laurel]

yeah that room is way too classroom like

i don't want my home living space looking like that

[shell void]

just a camera thing, he's using 3000K

his phone mustve auto matched white balance and that makes it look a lot colder than it actually is

[topaz veldt]

bro bought table casters vs a good tv

[steel stream]

Imma make my house look like an operating room

[edgy laurel]

didn't wanna damage the floor?

[topaz veldt]

white balance is a thing - if white balanced, they look ill

[edgy laurel]

those look super out of place now that you bring attention to them

[topaz veldt]

like as in diseased, not cool

[topaz veldt]

horrid, actually - they look like they should be in a bar

[edgy laurel]

i was talking about the casters but the speakers too lol

[topaz veldt]

everything is wrong

should be a 65-77" G4-G5 and some walnut speakers out of respect

[shell void]

he did have a 77 g5

[edgy laurel]

they remind me of my buddies PA system JBL's

[steel stream]

give me G5 please

[topaz veldt]

though the wall paint looks like a cheap hotel or public school nurses office so I suspect "taste" is lacking

[topaz veldt]

exactly

[edgy laurel]

but i do bet they sound great

[topaz veldt]

So he didn't have enough money for a new tv stand 😛

[steel stream]

77" makes the 55" look like a baby'

[shell void]

it do be a big difference

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/whisper-gif-20936283

Thats because it is

[shell void]

65 is the max that looks acceptable in my living room

dont have the space for 77

[topaz veldt]

buy a bigger living room

[steel stream]

77" would have been better for me but 65" is just worlds cheaper

[shell void]

id like to have a large room to play with 100" TVs in

[topaz veldt]

so a living room is the one where you put like $5k sofas you dont sit on in

[frank zealot]

TVs on up to 65" are where you can get deals

after that things tend to /go up/

[shell void]

there are good deals on 75/77 too

[topaz veldt]

65" minimum

[steel stream]

the real reason to be succesful

[shell void]

Hisense U8N 75" has been $1100 for like 6 months

[topaz veldt]

100" from 20' is lame

[shell void]

and you can get 77" qd oled for like $1800 if youre patient

i think the lowest i ever saw was $1600 for a 77" S89C

[edgy laurel]

@topaz veldt remember the Justification for Higher Education poster. the classic horribly photoshopped garage and house

[steel stream]

my bb just got another one for like 800 which i thought about but ill take my 65" S90D instead

[topaz veldt]

yessir

it was like a 1990 poster, but it worked

[steel stream]

BestBuy*

[topaz veldt]

like 6 car garage on a beach

[edgy laurel]

I'm just thinking about that now but with TV's, speakers and GPU's

[topaz veldt]

yup lol

[topaz veldt]

im trying to see if i can get a boat up north

yes that one lol

[edgy laurel]

omg it was the 90's, look at those cars

[topaz veldt]

"$wife, maybe we could like.... get a boat in NJ"

[steel stream]

Get a boat in Mi

[topaz veldt]

testarossa, 968 S, 560, vetter with a kit...

[shell void]

and then there's andrew robinson who has a living room so large that even a 98" tv doesnt look big

[topaz veldt]

I have never desired a big big big TV in common space

[shell void]

this dude could do like 136"

[edgy laurel]

928

[steel stream]

he needs bigger speakers

[shell void]

yeah those are just one of like 50 pairs that he has

[topaz veldt]

not a 928

[steel stream]

must be nice

[shell void]

one day

[topaz veldt]

It could be a 928 S4 but it looks like a 968

[edgy laurel]

it is, 928 S4

[topaz veldt]

there you have it lol

928 S4 and 968 were like the "cross over"

S4 was the most "968ish"

I dated a girl whose mom had a 5.0

[steel stream]

we'll get there eventually buddy

[topaz veldt]

little did I know... part of the Heinz family

[edgy laurel]

and thats a Ferrari BB

[steel stream]

As in the condiments?

[topaz veldt]

yes

[steel stream]

damn

You should have told them Hellmans forever

[topaz veldt]

its ok shes whack AF today - 3 - 4 marriages and chapter 11, im good

[steel stream]

ah

[topaz veldt]

it would have been a crazy life for like 10 years tho

[steel stream]

that old ketchup money

[topaz veldt]

🙂

so like

trying to get to FL but logistics aren't great

im back to debating on shipping boat up here

or... hear me out....

what if i bought a very resalable boat in NJ

[edgy laurel]

and probably a Callaway C4

[slim pebble]

That’s going to trap a bit of money

[topaz veldt]

got a lot of liquidity its ok

@slim pebble as of late i am kind of the "can't take it with me" vibe

nothing nuts tho

[shell void]

lawl jufes' pc had a usb dropout in his latest video

it is a bit silly that he sells tuning courses but his pc has crashed while streaming before

and he had a usb dropout in this latest video

[topaz veldt]

what setup tho

[shell void]

https://youtu.be/dR8XJ8waC_A?t=330

timestamped the drop

[topaz veldt]

that sucks - but a bunch are posting z890 issues recently

[shell void]

it is unreal that i have nitro and youtube premium but i get forced into watching ads when previewing youtube in discord

[topaz veldt]

I don't watch in discord

[shell void]

will that go away if i link my youtube to my discord

[shell void]

i think he still only uses lga1700

[topaz veldt]

as he should

[shell void]

he's monolithicpilled

[topaz veldt]

its not a bad vector honestly

should have kept my sp107

its like casinos "one more round"

[shell void]

yeah we like playing with new stuff but from a realistic standpoint there's no reason for anyone to upgrade off of an i9 yet

they get basically the same gaming and multicore performance as the 285k and 9950x

[topaz veldt]

14900K high sp especially, I should have waited

BUT

from a productivity/RAM perspective my 285K is pretty gnarly

[shell void]

have you gotten over 48K in cinebench with it

[topaz veldt]

no but i am on an aio and 46-47k R23 is enough

[shell void]

never enough

[topaz veldt]

every other day i debate on DD and custom loop

[shell void]

oh i found you

[topaz veldt]

yup lol

[shell void]

DD mora 285K is op

50K R23

[topaz veldt]

I have had higher w/o benchmate

[shell void]

well assuming you have a binned cpu anyway

[topaz veldt]

My 9950X (not sure on X3D) did like 46.6 or something

[topaz veldt]

right - my 285K is mid af

[shell void]

i think 9950x3d might get higher r23 scores

[topaz veldt]

nah

[shell void]

CCD1 on the classic 9950x sux

[topaz veldt]

my best 9950X was hauling

[shell void]

i know sugi got just over 50K with both his 9950X3D and his 285K

but those are both binned out of like 125 samples xd

and DD + MORA

[topaz veldt]

right

and lets be honest... binning 285K is a loss

13900K I bought like 4-6 units but I sold them for almost what i paid

285K... I don't even know if I could unload one

[shell void]

youre gonna have a fun time trying to sell that

[topaz veldt]

I may not even try

[steel stream]

$20 and a firm handshake

[topaz veldt]

I have a spreadsheet tracking what I have tied up in PC shit

its like $40-50k total

but I try not to put more in outside of like a couple grand a year

[shell void]

wtf

[topaz veldt]

ARL is going to be hard to follow that

[shell void]

are you including server stuff in that

[topaz veldt]

no

[shell void]

even with 6 pcs running 5090s idk how youd get up to 50k

[topaz veldt]

9950X3D secondary went away, but 5090s are 1.5X

[topaz veldt]

one PC

2 pc

3 pc

[shell void]

oh right watercooling gear and monitors and peripherals and chairs and everything else

[topaz veldt]

4 pc

[shell void]

i was thinking of just towers with aios and such

[topaz veldt]

nah - it adds up i track everything

and now 5090 vs 4090.... $1800-2000 vs $2900 - 3100

[shell void]

hopefully 5090 value doesnt plummet when 6090 launches

because it should be a much larger performance jump than 4090 -> 5090 was

but that could cause 5090 to keep value if the 6090 just costs even more

[topaz veldt]

it will prob hold 2000 - 2400 which ok with me

I have the sunk funds, I just don't want to lose like $10k a year

i sold each 4090 strix for $2000-2100 which is good

but unfortunately I had to spend +$1200

[shell void]

z790 apex + 14900k + 4090 strix white

[topaz veldt]

honestly.... like;... if i could look forward... sp107 14900k + apex + 5090 master ice

[shell void]

that would be mint

[low sorrel]

lets go i got flagged for ai and now i probably can't go to university even though i didn't use AI

[shell void]

with 8000cl32

[low sorrel]

he told me to write more formally and so i wrote more formally on my next assignemtn

and then he flagged me for ai

[topaz veldt]

nah my z790 14900k did like 8600 cl36

[shell void]

oh nice i think that's pretty good for a rpl imc

[topaz veldt]

it was

[shell void]

i know a lot of people get stuck around 8000/8200 but that may have been from fighting with A-die

[topaz veldt]

buuuuuut i played the cards wrong on that one - I sold z790 apex a04 ahead of z890 launch

its the only platform i really fucked up

btw when i quote 40-50k, thats original price, pcpp adjusts for todays prices

[slim pebble]

Still, your 285K isn’t exactly trash bin

[topaz veldt]

Its not horrid

[drowsy kindle]

is there like a general flowchart on choosing intel or amd for cpu?

[topaz veldt]

I have debating on buying another 285k @slim pebble but then I tested my 9000 kit on my 265K (but in Z890i not Apex) and it also errored

[shell void]

you could try grabbing the flagship ARL-R part to see if it's a better bin

[slim pebble]

@shell void I thought ARL capped out at less than 9K? ^^

[shell void]

nah

[topaz veldt]

I 100% will

[shell void]

if you have a god chip then you can do 9200-9400 in gear 2, but most people are gonna land at like 8600/8800 without serious FAFO

[topaz veldt]

yeah honstly godmode is 9000

9200 - 9400 is ..... fuck if i know

[shell void]

voltage pumping on a binned cpu

[topaz veldt]

I can run 8600 24/7, 8800 loose, 9000 naw

[shell void]

dailying like 1.77vdd and 1.45vccsa

[topaz veldt]

yeah thats the thing too - I am a weirdo running an AIO on an apex

[shell void]

it's practical tbh

youre getting 95% of peak performance without having to get into DD custom loop or waterblocking your ram

[topaz veldt]

i dunno why but im hung up on the looks of that build

its kind of insane though

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/5mall5nail5/saved/z9YLyc

[shell void]

what do you not like about the build's appearance right now

[topaz veldt]

no i do like it

but at the sake of custom looping

but $8200 build and I am like "eh"

[shell void]

i think i get what you mean

the prices of consumer parts have gotten so crazy

[topaz veldt]

thats dream build for 99% of this server

[shell void]

it's flagship parts but it just doesnt look like $8200

[topaz veldt]

feels kind of fucked up

[shell void]

in my head a balls to walls PC is like $3000 but that's not the case anymore

[slim pebble]

2K is the monitor

[topaz veldt]

still

[brave panther]

expensive ahh motherboard

[topaz veldt]

for a reason

[slim pebble]

Yeah apex aren’t cheap

The AMD apex is ridiculous 😃

[topaz veldt]

both are

[shell void]

z890 boards have crazy overkill vrms because the board vendors were expecting to support an 8p32e cpu that didnt launch

like the z890 taichi aqua and its 28 vcore phases that are waterblocked xd

[topaz veldt]

that's wild

[slim pebble]

I remember that

It would have been amazing

[topaz veldt]

almost every other day i debate going custom on the 285k build

i want to see what refresh does

[shell void]

rip 🥀

[topaz veldt]

@slim pebble i need you to do pac things and tell me how many nvme i can run in z890 apex without slowing down pcie 5.0 16

[shell void]

my beloved 352W 495A champion

[steel stream]

rip

[topaz veldt]

i am debating on picking up another sff box, sf1000, 5090, and a 9800x3d

but i need to find the most compactness sff build

that will also run like a 5090 TUF-astral-master

[topaz veldt]

tldr

meanwhile..... stop me smee

[slim pebble]

Probably a few, remember Intel has some 24 PCIE 4.0 lanes to the chipset.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/cpu-coolers/z790-vs-z890-whats-the-difference/

[topaz veldt]

i know i just want someone to tell me how many nvme on z890 apex i can use lo

lazy engaged

[granite dirge]

Good afternoon tc2 crew

[hoary hatch]

Z890 is such a good platform
Give me a real cpu for it

[hoary hatch]

Read my name

https://tenor.com/view/google-exists-google-search-it-geekboy-geekboy-cz-gif-25933207

[frank zealot]

hopefully the 2026 CPUs actually get to exist and maybe we'll see good features on a new cpu platform

[hoary hatch]

Nova lake is certainly coming

Too far along to kill that

[steel stream]

My good old 20+1+2 VRM for my 265K

[hoary hatch]

Me using z890 godlike for CU5 225

[merry stirrup]

lol z790 apex used and from china on ebay is 550$+

[topaz veldt]

I am pumped for nova lake but i am stuck with a couple lga1851 boards

[frank zealot]

but Z890 is baller, and if they keep the same features for next gen? it'll be all good

[merry stirrup]

theyre all bad

[slim pebble]

At least six by the specs at PCIE 4.0x4 speeds, but most boards aren’t going to have that many slots

[topaz veldt]

I will paypal you $0 if you pull up z890 apex and let me know

[granite dirge]

The ROG Maximus Z890 Apex motherboard features four onboard M.2 slots. Three of these slots support PCIe 5.0 x4, while the fourth supports PCIe 4.0 x4. Additionally, the board includes a DIMM.2 card, which can accommodate two more M.2 drives, bringing the total to six.

[shell void]

M.2_1 is 5.0x4 to the CPU
M.2_2 is 4.0x4 to the CPU

DIMM.2_1 and DIMM.2_2 are both 4.0x4 to the CHIPSET

M.2_3 and M.2_4 cannot be used without stealing lanes from the PCIE slots

TLDR ignore the bottom two M.2 slots

[hoary hatch]

I saw some leaks a while back
I wanna say CPU PCIe count is the same, but maybe all gen 5?
Also chipset DMI is going 4x8 to 5x4

[frank zealot]

4 on board + DIMM.2

[granite dirge]

That will be 1million gil in FF xiv snail.

[topaz veldt]

so GPU + 3

[hoary hatch]

They prioritize the dimm.2 over physical m.2? Seems a little odd?

[shell void]

you can run four and one x16 gpu

[hoary hatch]

Math

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[shell void]

two of those four will be on the dimm.2

[topaz veldt]

OK yes

gotta see if dimm.2 will fit on that pos

[steel stream]

the way it was meant to be used

[frank zealot]

unless you're not using the x4 slots on the board.

[shell void]

he's trying to not steal gpu lanes

if you populate the third or fourth m.2 slots then your gpu drops to x8

[topaz veldt]

i want pcie 5.0 x16 for GPU + as many nvme as possible

[frank zealot]

the chipset can feed 4 m.2's, just not at the same time as the x4 PCIE Slots

[shell void]

top two m.2 slots and two on dimm.2

bottom two m.2 slots will drop gpu to x8

[hoary hatch]

I assume there is a bottom chipset slot that is 4x4

[topaz veldt]

Reason I ask

[frank zealot]

that seems unnecessary.

[shell void]

slots three and four are both 5.0x4 connected to the CPU, and the CPU only has 20 5.0 lanes

[frank zealot]

My Nova can do:
x16 Gen 5
x4 Gen 5 (CPU)
and 5 Chipset Gen4

[vestal granite]

i want gpu with m.2 slots on it

[shell void]

you can see what im talking about in their documentation here

[steel stream]

there are GPUs that already do this

B580 and some of the 60 class cards

[vestal granite]

thats stupid i was saying something stupid why did they do that

[frank zealot]

CPU has 20 Gen 5 lanes. x16 for the slot, and x4 for one NVME

[shell void]

all four m.2 connections on the board are connected to the CPU

[steel stream]

honestly for cards that only have a x8 slot connection, why not do it?

[frank zealot]

which is a weird choice

[vestal granite]

idk that makes sense i dont have a reason to not do it

[hoary hatch]

Imo the 2 lower m.2 slots should be switched with dimm.2 OR the chipset x4 slots

But technically that board can do 6 m.2 and x16 gpu

[shell void]

youd have to be using a single slot watercooled gpu to make use of the two x4 pcie slots

[topaz veldt]

DIMM.2 is cool but annoying

[shell void]

hes using a 4slot chunker and doesnt want to use adapters so the practical answer is four drives

two connected to the cpu on the top two m.2 slots, and two connected to the chipset on dimm.2

[topaz veldt]

vertical, actually

[shell void]

yeah so adapters will not be happening xd

[topaz veldt]

nerp

[frank zealot]

standard Motherboard Design calls for:

x16 Slot for GPU (or other stupid high bandwidth device)
x4 Full-Speed M.2 to CPU for a primary Drive

2-5 M.2 Slots off the Chipset, for additional storage.

Alternatives could include:

x16 Slot for GPU
x8 Slot (sharing 8 lanes with primary) to allow for GPU + NVME Riser Card

[shell void]

well tkitch the apex says fuck you all four m.2 are connected to the cpu

[hoary hatch]

Yeah.... Stupid PCIe layout from asus

[shell void]

kinda based tbh

[frank zealot]

There was a time when people thought asus was good at this stuff lol

[hoary hatch]

No

[shell void]

5.0x8 is totally fine for a (gaming) gpu and you get to have four drives on cpu lanes

[merry stirrup]

i think my z790e was this way, if you used a drive in the 2nd slot it would get rid of the main slots bw

idk why they didnt take away shit from the sata or other pcie slots but it was stupid

[hoary hatch]

One nice thing about the ProArt boards was they didn't do this

[merry stirrup]

the weirdest part is that it was only the 2nd m.2 slot

[vestal granite]

5.0x8 = 40fps

[hoary hatch]

Quad m.2 all usable without sacrificing slot lanes

Although the last was switched with some sata

[merry stirrup]

the 3rd and 4th were fine

[shell void]

well snail is going to run four m.2 without stealing gpu lanes too

it just involves using dimm.2

dimm.2 seems nice, it's annoying to have to remove my card to access my storage

just sux that theyre chipset only because our cpus have poverty lanes

[hoary hatch]

As high end consumer socket processors replace what used to be HEDT lineups, it would be nice to start getting more PCIe lanes

Or let's do Gen5 x2 m.2 slots?

[slim pebble]

Last AMD board that could do that was an x670e

[merry stirrup]

gen 5x2 with a pcie switch to make it gen4x4 if you have

but pcie switches die and are kind of annoying because of that

[topaz veldt]

its taller than memory tho

[shell void]

it might not work with the jiushark jfk15

or a thermalsiphon icegiant

[merry stirrup]

or a custom hardline loop with the tubes right in the way

[slim pebble]

Yeah not going to fit with an air cooler

[shell void]

should be far enough away to not matter with something like a nhd15

just couldnt use long rectangular air coolers

[merry stirrup]

yeah

they wouldnt have continued with it on the z390? apex

idk when dimm.2 started maybe it was earlier than that

z270 final offer

[shell void]

all consumer platforms pre-9900k are memes

paying out the ass for tiny toothpaste 4 core squares

when affordable hedt was right there

[topaz veldt]

way outside aircooler, which i dont have

[topaz veldt]

respect i7 920 G0 or be banned

[edgy laurel]

past 24 hours

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/kel-mitchell-good-burger-eyes-gif-5354648

[topaz veldt]

sooo don't buy X870(x) ASRock, got it

[edgy laurel]

I dunno why there isn't more public outcry

[shell void]

that's hedt brother

[topaz veldt]

not even

[hoary hatch]

Because "Asus bad" mentality is weirdly strong

[shell void]

lga 1366 is hedt

[slim pebble]

ASUS is an easy target because of their high prices and horrible support

[topaz veldt]

Meanwhile

[hoary hatch]

I see a lot more people telling someone not to buy Asus because "RMA bad" but nobody talking about ASRock killing cpus

[slim pebble]

So I get it

[pallid marsh]

No buy it so you can get in a possible future lawsuit and get $15-40 back 😜

[hoary hatch]

Meanwhile in MSI land 🤫

[edgy laurel]

Like, the whole ordeal seems to be confined to /r/Asrock and no where else

[topaz veldt]

this is called Loss Vegas

[hoary hatch]

Loss mentioned

[merry stirrup]

is this loss

[edgy laurel]

i don't understand that at all. someone tried to explain it once.

i gave up

[hoary hatch]

You just have to accept loss

[topaz veldt]

Gentlepeople - what is worse than running self clean on one oven?

[hoary hatch]

I don't understand either

[slim pebble]

Asrock gets a pass on a lot of things because of their price points

[steel stream]

running self clean on two ovens?

[topaz veldt]

No - because of their underdoggedness

[topaz veldt]

CORRECT

[edgy laurel]

but this is really bad, man.

[slim pebble]

And the fact that they do fix the dead CPUs

Replace whatever

[steel stream]

These exploding Asrock parts have been happening for a while right

[hoary hatch]

It is a cheap CPU killer indeed

[edgy laurel]

since 800 series boards and 9000 CPU's

[hoary hatch]

Idk sounds like you get what you pay for sometimes

[edgy laurel]

600 series didn't have this problem

[hoary hatch]

My one ASRock attempt didn't go well

Still pains me to say this MSI board is excellent

[slim pebble]

If they replace it, then it’s an inconvenience for the people who didnt know to update their BIOS

[edgy laurel]

I was all about Asrock when I saw what they were doing with AM5 and 600 series.

but this.. this has killed that faith

[frank zealot]

So I just looked, since I realized I have a couple Wii Pro Controller analog stick replacement parts here.

Each of the analog stick modules has 14 solder points on it. >.<

[merry stirrup]

😭

[edgy laurel]

and then there is that, its still happening on the latest 3.30

[pallid marsh]

So it's still safe to recommend b650 ASRock

[edgy laurel]

If you can find them anymore

[slim pebble]

Alright, that’s new info to me, they told GN Steve it was fixed and they were taking care of their affected customers

So maybe the latter but not the former?

[edgy laurel]

I dunno, i scroll through the sub every day and i've seen it pop up with people on the latest a number of times

[slim pebble]

Oof

[edgy laurel]

they do seem to be handling RMA's/Returns

[frank zealot]

the 5 points on the right edge are for a ribbon cable to the main controller board.

The other 14 are for the analog stick assembly

[topaz veldt]

@steel stream I'd like to play a game called "CAT diesel regen" or "2x wall oven self-clean"

[topaz veldt]

I can't complain - Z890i Nova Wifi completely no post after 3 months, replaced with brand new

[edgy laurel]

it did take a while, eh

[topaz veldt]

2-3 weeks

[edgy laurel]

oh, i misread

[slim pebble]

Every RMA is 2-4 weeks though

[topaz veldt]

oh i wasn't clear

[edgy laurel]

no i read that as 3 months to replace it lol

[topaz veldt]

my last asus one was 9 days though, but "they suck"

[slim pebble]

@topaz veldt is the wireview pro worth looking into for 5090 cards? https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/wireview-gpu-pro/s-tg-wv-p

[pallid marsh]

Damn 9 days

[topaz veldt]

no just plug it in

[edgy laurel]

stuck in my head now

[slim pebble]

It’s pin and connector temp monitoring, that’s all

[topaz veldt]

useless

[turbid locust]

@topaz veldt zero hits on the XTX

[topaz veldt]

hodl

[turbid locust]

It’s only been like 6-7 hours but damn bro

[pallid marsh]

I would offer but I want fsr4 or better