tech-chat-1

[serene python]

what was the other one

[pulsar root]

Oh dang the GB10 is $3000

[steel umbra]

chat do i sell or risk it until monday?

[pulsar root]

It has bad price to performance; for $3K you could get a 5080 atleast

[stray portal]

ermm idk

[tall sandal]

WTF

[craggy cove]

5070 ti maybe

[tall sandal]

oh hell nah man

[gilded harness]

it isnt even for gaming 😢

it probably dominates in ai stuffs IDK

[pulsar root]

Yeah it’s probably a workstation gpu

It won’t have the gaming drivers but it would have the performance required for AI related tasks

I’m confused why it shows up on this list ngl

[stray portal]

im crine

[median warren]

https://tenor.com/view/those-who-know-trollge-those-who-know-gif-16176966405947683739

[stray portal]

warship has filters for some crazy words

[steel umbra]

can't sell now

neat

[clear canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-ride-let-it-ride-diem-gif-13460879079669063039

[steel umbra]

._.

[steel umbra]

i screwed them at the last moment

+another $6

10x streak on swing trade is crazy

i mean gambling

[frail sequoia]

You sure thats food and not a living organism

[wise estuary]

is anyone else with me on why i never wanted to update to win 11? i mean over 4 times due to default settings i was unaware were extremely unstable, combined with updates fucking up caused file system corruption multiple times, that ive had to fix, most recently my drive permissions were screwed by bitlocker keys resetting so i had to disable and reclaim perms after.

[fringe prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-this-music-off-take-off-headphones-butterfly-headphones-girl-this-music-not-it-butterfly-headphones-girl-sad-gif-3137476126605972722

[steel umbra]

set these welcome mats

[wise estuary]

primary vector being windows updates..... this is exactly why i stuck with win 10 till the bitter end

[steel umbra]

anyways that's all lmao that was a lot of fun

[wise estuary]

anyone else have win 11 update corruption, as if its just expected to happen from time to time? XD

not a SINGLE time on win 10. every few months when a new batch of updaates hits on win 11

[craggy cove]

i just disabled bitlocker on my pc from the beginning

fuuuck that shit

[wise estuary]

i had no idea it was enabled by default, because thats stupid right? XD

i only realized after a win updatee caused keys to reset completely blocking permissions.

what a pain in the ass changing perms from SYSTEM to my user name after disabling it. if id only known.

and its not fast, it takes like a whole day

i do have like 8tbs tho

and its mostly full of games

alls good now... but they neeed to stop using AI to code. its getting consistently great at corrupting file systems in various ways..... i think it might create a super worm if we let it run loose any longer XD

status quoe rn is... break all laws of robotics, ai is robitic intelligence, and we let it literally nuke a company for fun, and their response was to up the subscription cost XD

nuke a database.... yea we understand your pain, we are now charging 50.99 more tho.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/claude-powered-ai-coding-agent-deletes-entire-company-database-in-9-seconds-backups-zapped-after-cursor-tool-powered-by-anthropics-claude-goes-rogue

thats alot of money to pay to be greifed and trolled by a robot XD

cant say its not hilariously i told you so tho.... also thats one funny ass ai. it even gave them a verbal double bird.

or teext based

often times the funniest comedy skits are real situations lol.

[frail sequoia]

My laptop force updated to win 11

I use win 11 iot enterprise ltsc 24h2 on my pc and that is stable

[wise estuary]

there was no choice, i did extend it by a year for security updates, but my ssd died in NOVEMBER after well over a decade of life. straight up kicked the bucket.

[frail sequoia]

Rip

[wise estuary]

since then ive had to repair windows 11s file system like 3-5 times

not once with windows 11

[frail sequoia]

I never have

[wise estuary]

people saying "its easy to fix" ignore the fact that your average user cannot and its unacceptable despite our potential ability to fix it.

[frail sequoia]

Ive had bitlocker force enable on multiple occasions tho before I swapped to enterprise

[wise estuary]

i might just have way too many missmatched components and about 50 things plugged in.

win 10 had no issue. but win 11 doesnt like something

its fast, but win 11 seems to love to cause file system corruption surrounding updates

on a repeated basis

[frail sequoia]

I have 15 usb ports total if we include the front panel io and my usb hub but remove 1 usb port since the hub takes up 1 of them

[wise estuary]

my subtle suspicion and reason i never updated till i was forced to is actually true....

i have way more things plugged in, likely what causes system hangs on restart, but the issue truely is windows updates causing file system errors, and straight up failing.

i fixed permissions but my recycle bin was still corrupted, i had to reset it 3 times, on the third restart it worked... no idea why it took 3 tries. but i stopped getting error messages the third time.

so im not sure i even trust win 11 to function properly unless it wants to XD

[frail sequoia]

Try the iot enterprise version

[wise estuary]

im sure its fine on a system without an octopus attatched and mismatched components.

[frail sequoia]

I cant say how to activate it but its easy with a web search or 2

[wise estuary]

fast parts, i chose what was best, not what matched a team.

for the price

[frail sequoia]

Im running a b450m ds3h v2, 16gb Kingston ram, 1tb nvme, rx 6600xt xfx speedster merc 308 black edition gpu, evga 600w w1 bomb psu, r5 4500 and stock cooler

[wise estuary]

if i can do an inplace upgrade using a file i could do that... but im fked if i have to reconfigure my octopus of devices..... its pretty deeply configured, took me a week last year.

[frail sequoia]

Im gonna be using a 50" 4k tv on 1440p for sim racing and 1080p for other stuff

My tv has a game mode that let's me have little to no delay

[wise estuary]

i got a 5800x, 3070 ti (btw this is the best buy rn for a sub 300 dollar card in terms of 1080p performance, was when i got it for 400 vs 900 for thee next step up.) 32 gigs, and an rog strix b550-f

[frail sequoia]

Lucky

[wise estuary]

you can still buy a 3070 ti for 280 tho... 8 gigs but its the highest performing card at the price point. because it was a total flop at its msrp comparatively. it didnt have a place except for niche resale.

the problem is its 8 gigs but packs way too much punch for 8 gigs. so it only fits a 1080p experience.

and its still a monster to this day at 1080p

[craggy cove]

i just need a camera i dont want a sentry turret 🙏

[wise estuary]

looks like youre shopping on temu

[craggy cove]

aliexpress

[wise estuary]

theres your problem

both

[craggy cove]

nah this site is goated

ive bought 3 cpus and basketball shoes from here

[wise estuary]

for components, not quality complete devices

[craggy cove]

idk i just want a cheapo wifi camera

[wise estuary]

and you can infact buy used or overstock cpus from there

[craggy cove]

if i go on reddit theyll just say "spend a little more and buy something quality" and its 300€ more

[wise estuary]

google best cheap wifi camera and look at price points

aliexpress cameras are about as useful as watercolor

[craggy cove]

well im trying to find a good brand from here

[wise estuary]

whats the point if you can only tell if something happened, but cant see details

[craggy cove]

problem is i know nothing about cameras

most reviews point to amazon links which i simply cant buy from

[wise estuary]

thats why you ask google or some search what the best cheap wifi cameras are

you get articles to look through and cross reference

price points, benefits and drawbacks

[empty quartz]

Im kinda tempted to get a tesla v100

Nvidia tesla v100*

[craggy cove]

🙏

[wise estuary]

main problem, you asked reddit and they gave you non answers that basically amount to projected self loathing XD

[craggy cove]

alternative: seo slop articles

[wise estuary]

google is better since you get actual articles and review sitees

[empty quartz]

@craggy cove what are the wifi cameras for?

[wise estuary]

whatever you want them for

[empty quartz]

Home security?

[wise estuary]

or just having one to make sure you didnt leave the stove on

[craggy cove]

uh pointing at a shed

[wise estuary]

or some shit

[craggy cove]

im not sure either

[empty quartz]

So security…

[craggy cove]

yeah but like

[wise estuary]

why are you asking?

[frigid blade]

I love my Reolink cameras

[empty quartz]

I can give a recommendation

[wise estuary]

the point is always clarity and range.

[craggy cove]

theyre over 30€ rip

[wise estuary]

for a price

what price point?

[frigid blade]

lol the ones I got were $1XX each

[empty quartz]

https://wuuklabs.com/products/wireless-security-camera-system-2k

[craggy cove]

its pointing at a shed through what is basically a tunnel? but yeah price range, cheap

[frigid blade]

There’s tiny 1080p cams on aliexpress

[empty quartz]

$200 cad

[wise estuary]

featureless small cameras under 20 usd then

[craggy cove]

so i only need one camera that doesnt need to move

[wise estuary]

so features only up the price, so for quality sake its JUST a camera that connects via wifi

[empty quartz]

Alternatively, if you really wanna go cheap, you can get a dirt cheap phone that has usb 3.0, and set it up to record to a nas or smt

[frigid blade]

Aliexpress

[wise estuary]

this

https://www.amazon.com/Camera-Popular-Cat-Eye-Wireless-Activation/dp/B0D9W12D2N

[craggy cove]

yeah no nas in my uncle's weird shed house

[wise estuary]

lol, if you want it

[frigid blade]

You want a cheap wifi cam there you go

[wise estuary]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805969155978.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

oh yea XD

[empty quartz]

Hear me out: I sell my rog ally, and buy a rog ally x to have 24gb of ram instead of just 16

[craggy cove]

is this where banks get their cameras from

[empty quartz]

Fake news: thats still better than bank cameras

[craggy cove]

repurposed nintendo ds cameras

[empty quartz]

Still better

[wise estuary]

its not that bad for a few bucks.

if all you want is a view

[empty quartz]

You need one of the original logitech quickcams

[frigid blade]

It’s not bad but you want to record on a separate devices locally and remove Internet access from the cam

[craggy cove]

or the camera from a gaming laptop that costs thousands

[wise estuary]

i have a logitech lifecam from 2006 thats 1080p, still on top of my monitor since i was a kid XD

[frigid blade]

I don’t trust those cheap mini cams to have access to the internet

[wise estuary]

it works shockingly well

[empty quartz]

I have a logitech quickcam for notebooks that has one of the worst mics and cameras ive ever seen

This exact model

[wise estuary]

i been building pcs since i was like 10, so i always had a setup, alot of my parts carried over, and i just got rid of my last drive that finally died,

[wise estuary]

lifecam is slightly newer, about thee same quality and sound, theyre solid dead cheap products

[empty quartz]

I still have my 1st hdd from my first desktop

[craggy cove]

still no clue why they even bother putting mics on webcams

only good for annoying bad teammates

[wise estuary]

you cant kill them, and they are better than passable with modern standards, even 20+ years after them

and they weree always dead cheap

[empty quartz]

I just use my xlr mic as my funny mic

Idk why i typed akg

[craggy cove]

back when i had a gaming laptop i just used the webcam mic from that

[wise estuary]

logitech products might be totally mid almost ALL of the time, but they are so durable and solid they last almost generations

[craggy cove]

lol, lmao even

[empty quartz]

Not all logitech products are mid

[craggy cove]

help my logitech g... is double clicking

[empty quartz]

Their gaming peripherals are pretty solid

[craggy cove]

the superstrike thing is cool tho

[wise estuary]

nah, i have a solid nice mouse... but i also dont see this thing dieing any time soon. if ever like my old mice, aside from the mouse buttons. g604 lightspeeed

[empty quartz]

After like 9 years, i upgraded my logitech g900 mouse, and g910 keyboard

[craggy cove]

but their keyboards suck, headphones suck, and you can get chinese clones of their mice for like half the price

[wise estuary]

and im using an enhance aluminum mousepad

aluminum eliminates so much friction you have to relearn the mouse

[empty quartz]

I think i win in the mousepad category

[wise estuary]

ah.... you can win, id probably have a mental breakdown seeing faces in the dark XD

[hexed tapir]

Should've drawn a mustache on it

[empty quartz]

He did

[wise estuary]

wide eye linus is too much

[hexed tapir]

Sweet

[craggy cove]

it might be time to let this one go

[empty quartz]

I love my logitech mouse

[hexed tapir]

You can wash it you know

[craggy cove]

its like a swamp to move on

[craggy cove]

and remove years of hard work?

[hexed tapir]

Bath tub cold water , dish soap and an old tooth brush

[wise estuary]

but no, trust me, aluminum mouse pads are sick... but rare and kinda expensive

[craggy cove]

i just washing machine mine

[hexed tapir]

Big tin shilling on aluminum

[empty quartz]

I hand wash

(Yes i hate myself)

[wise estuary]

the smoothness of a beaded finish aluminum mousepad removes any hitching and tiny motions translate without issue.

[stray portal]

yo my pc so cool

so much fps (bedrock)

[craggy cove]

doing that leaves weird stripes on mine, even doing it thoroughly many times

[ionic peak]

Gym for the hands

[wise estuary]

yea, ive noticed how gross normal mousepads get by having to wipe layers of grime off it to make it smooth again. so ordinary mousepads might be the most unsanitary thing in existence if used by random people regularly XD

its fkin caked foam

looks stupid... but it glides.

https://www.amazon.com/ENHANCE-Metal-LED-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B07FST72QY/ref=sr_1_6?crid=3SHY2MCJAKL21&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Nz7i7Itec8wcXHglzS0HRKB4VLGUBzltKhTiYZ-vlOCEfoUB9W_Ho7rVavcoZhxiu5BpFHIdH7GcplHlLlYiyaKSFdC3gibN2nMjZlXiun5010cbLpBb0OC-f4FS-e3v2MWGzO0jAzm_WVFwYvXRgSbig9IN8ilMZu86b3wEoD8PNBwp8ykYl7ew4KB7XYMZayR9N_nzF49zHuB5454ddWX2mvn0rHsTbUPivfFCBNGX-RdWKgwHQtYPDVpXjd4IFmzWmVKhcB63YxtmIpqqSn6dDNh2wOzwqAXHfdKHi_U.eib23_Vub1ZwUwvbLtA-T6Uefe1JGgQlzAqMBloJP7c&dib_tag=se&keywords=rgb%2Baluminum%2Bmousepad&qid=1780087987&sprefix=rgb%2Baluminum%2Bmousepad%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-6&th=1

[hexed tapir]

Bro doesn't know how to shorten links

[wise estuary]

its heavy too, this isnt an aluminum casted sheet over a rubber backing, its a solid slate

[craggy cove]

referal scammer, ban

[wise estuary]

idc to shorten them, it linked. also im lazy.

[hexed tapir]

On Mobile it takes the whole screen

[craggy cove]

yoo 1tb sata ssds for sale 50€???

[wise estuary]

change the font size and get better glasses

[craggy cove]

fanxianq 😭

[wise estuary]

also im joking coopa.

literally dont care to shorten links, or care if i see long links personally.

im just chatting and you pop in

sorry tho

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-cat-peace-solluminati-slowdown-gif-12491735774807202486

[empty quartz]

Should i go touch grass?

Its about 1100 hours total

[wise estuary]

call if you need help XD

[ionic peak]

*64GB

[ionic peak]

nah

[clear canyon]

Only 300?

[snow mauve]

front leaning rest position

[stray portal]

i have vsync or it capped idk

i have 300hz monitor

[clear canyon]

Lol, nice

[gaunt spade]

now make this the mousepad

[steel umbra]

@clear canyon i just outperformed s&p 500 median and current

didn't realize

@empty quartz what do you think acer

[naive temple]

quick question, how big of a thermal pad i need for a aorus elite 3060 ti

and which thickness?

[grizzled frost]

https://google.com

[steel umbra]

thermal putty is better

[grizzled frost]

Thermal putty is easier*

[steel umbra]

easier and better

[grizzled frost]

Easier and worse generally

[steel umbra]

no

[grizzled frost]

You can't get as high of compression as compared to a pad

so lower thermal conductivity

[latent gull]

but realistically for a 3060ti, does it matter?

[steel umbra]

the opposite, just get a good putty

putties can get much better compression than pads

if you go with like ht10000 or halnziye hy2x6

or upsiren thin bond line series

utp-8 putty outperforms any pads within it's price range

but that one is not low bond line

it's still lower bondline than majority of good pads tho

[naive temple]

why is it easier

[grizzled frost]

You don't have to try and find the right thickness and size of pad

[steel umbra]

no need to care about thickness

it's more reusable

[latent gull]

just schlop schlop on

[naive temple]

isnt it easier to just stick a pad on lol

[grizzled frost]

Do you know what thickness though?

[steel umbra]

you can roll logs of putty within a minute

but assuming it's a first let's say 5 minutes

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/67-log-clash-royale-KR5Wxh6jOFRz4SALlr

[steel umbra]

i got logged

[supple basin]

My fav clash character

[naive temple]

what if i put too much

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bebe-jugo-guio-mSp17qypsdDIL4OHLY

[naive temple]

im ordering this bs off temu lol

[gaunt spade]

log from temu

[distant spire]

now I’m broke, thanks apple

[gaunt spade]

6k

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-gato-orange-fgWkTmhl5nGpBleFmx

[distant spire]

💔

[tidal geyser]

2900$ for the cheapest b390 laptop in Norway and that is 16GB soldered ram

[gaunt spade]

no power adapter includid

[steel umbra]

bargain

[gaunt spade]

too much

[distant spire]

thats the worst part, genuinely diabolical

[tidal geyser]

a 5090 laptop here 16GB ram bc ai, is 3000$

[steel umbra]

aliexpress is suggested

[gaunt spade]

i can get a 32gb 1 or 2tb for 1100-1200$

[steel umbra]

it's a waste

[frigid topaz]

Bro why is my rtx 3070 heating up my room allot by just idling, pisses me off

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/spongebob-sponge-clam-QCn40r4lhB0uMYoyKX

[steel umbra]

like too much paste

[distant spire]

get a neo lol

[tidal geyser]

can the NEO run 4 windows VMs?

[naive temple]

why

[distant spire]

Ahh sorry missed this… just took the ram spec

[naive temple]

wont ruin anything tho?

[steel umbra]

cheaper

[steel umbra]

only your wallet

[hexed tapir]

You should get a steep discount for getting the British English keyboard

[tidal geyser]

i bought a 275HX and 5070 ti laptop for 1900$ but the battery life is horrible and it makes enough noise to make ears bleed

[steel umbra]

most putties squeeze out with most gpu mounting pressure

[distant spire]

Is this lore I am unaware of

[naive temple]

yeah me no want that

[gaunt spade]

which model

[naive temple]

https://tenor.com/view/mmhmm-mmhmm-meme-mmhmm-gif-mmhmm-twitch-gif-23291803

[steel umbra]

50g of utp-8 costs like 16 euros

[tidal geyser]

acer predator 16S, they claim 5hr battery life but eeehhh nu more like 2-3 for me.

[gaunt spade]

acer <---- problem

[tidal geyser]

i know the bios is fucked

[gaunt spade]

did you not watch reviews

[tidal geyser]

if i try to change anything in the bios now it hard freezes and i need to hold the power button

[steel umbra]

if you want to go cheaper there's cx h1300 13.5wmk

[tidal geyser]

both yes i did not but also reviews really liked it

i bought it before checking reviews but they were positive

[gaunt spade]

i dont buy laptops unless the bios is unlocked and sometimes modeable

[tidal geyser]

so what 20 year old laptops

[gaunt spade]

nah new ones do too

[tidal geyser]

what ones

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/monkey-thinking-4AwFO4f2VLo2fIFFA2

[naive temple]

can you find me any decent one on temu, i cant seem to find those

[steel umbra]

i don't use temu

also prices shown to me are different to yours

[naive temple]

yeah, only good quality thing i found is arctic tp3

but only 0.5mm is available

[hardy horizon]

Worth it to keep trying to troubleshoot?
During free trial internet was fast AF, COD had zero issues. Now it just disconnects all the time, or teleports me around the maps.
Issue isn't COD. It's the connection.

[tidal geyser]

why are you using cellular to play competitive games

[hexed tapir]

Van life

[hardy horizon]

No hard lines property management doesn't want them "tearing shit up"

Can go 1.5mbps DSL. Tho I imangine 768kbps upload will be an issue if ping isn't

[tidal geyser]

im betting you moved the transceiver modem cellular thing

[latent gull]

or they deprioritized traffic

[tidal geyser]

iv never touched cellular so no clue how that works

but its hard to believe that is a thing

[latent gull]

a lot of cellular things only guarantee the speeds and priorty bandwidth for the first however many GB

[viral kayak]

forza 4 was peak

[hardy horizon]

Nope, I got better signal.

[viral kayak]

i remember playing it during christmas right after getting my xbox one

[tidal geyser]

sad

move to Norway Kool we got fiber fkn everywhere

[hardy horizon]

Always is from day 1.

[latent gull]

..?

[tidal geyser]

i have never touched cellular networking before but probs worth it to ask in https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/387022787480387605 instead

[viral kayak]

fiber is standard in my area (idk about the rest of norway)

[tidal geyser]

i think the stats are like 86%+ or something have access to install fiber for their home not sure how many are using it

[viral kayak]

we are. only shitty thing is that its one of those old ones that are above ground so its more exposed to damage and weather

[steel umbra]

where

[tidal geyser]

xd kvetinky was searching for that one

[hardy horizon]

TMHI is provisioned for last line from day 1. TOS says zero speed caps.

[viral kayak]

got a ad for star link the other. couldve been something if you didnt have to go on the roof to wipe snow off it

[steel umbra]

i stumbled upon da message

[hardy horizon]

It's a 8 gig symmetrical at the street from Google .....

[naive temple]

also, how much g of thermal paste i need to repaste gpu?

[tidal geyser]

wait its google air fiber?

[tidal geyser]

like 0.3-0.5

up to die and so on

but just buy PTM for direct die

[naive temple]

whats that supposed to mean lmao

[viral kayak]

what the fuck is air fiber

[gaunt spade]

what the fuck is a kilometer

[tidal geyser]

ask google

[tidal geyser]

have you not heard people talk about PTM?

do you not watch LTT

they fkn sell it

[grizzled frost]

literally anytime they install a CPU they plug PTM

[gaunt spade]

ptm expensive

[naive temple]

hey dont hate me im just a noob

[hardy horizon]

You don't, they can snow melt. If you get heavy snow get the dish that has the bigger heater.

[tidal geyser]

its like 5$

[gaunt spade]

yea and a tube of multi use thermalpaste is cheaper

[tidal geyser]

PTM costs money yes but it also gets better over time

[hardy horizon]

1g tube is more than enough TBH.

[gaunt spade]

yea its really good tho

[tidal geyser]

its going to live longer than the gpu or whatever you put it on

[naive temple]

yeah i was gonna order arctic mx 7

2g

[tidal geyser]

but you need to keep doing it

and it performs worse

[hardy horizon]

No GFiber is literally at the street with 8 gig symmetrical (I assume you need a business account to get that)

[grizzled frost]

AT&T just recently dropped off a business card for 1g symmetrical fiber for 35usd/month

[tidal geyser]

wait so you have the ability to get fiber but need to be a business?

[gaunt spade]

edge

[hardy horizon]

No actually

[naive temple]

is this the one

u are talking about

[tidal geyser]

that is fake

just buy mx7 or whatever

[hardy horizon]

They laid the line 8 weeks ago.

[tidal geyser]

i would try as hard as i can to get fiber if you do online gaming then

[hardy horizon]

They have .... Decided .. each faber company gets a portion of the city. Don't like the service? Move houses? So monopoly

But property management would let them run any lines. Still single pair telephone lines.

[steel umbra]

it's going to be oem pcm

which is decent but def not as good

[tidal geyser]

yea

i tried buying the fake stuff but well its fake

[steel umbra]

unless it's oem pcm5000 or below

that's bad

[craggy cove]

fb marketplace

[steel umbra]

nuuuuu

[steel umbra]

but send link if you can

[craggy cove]

#gatekeeping

[median warren]

I found ram that's on sale, discounted by £110

2x16gb DDR5 6000mts

[grizzled frost]

From 1000usd to 890usd?

[median warren]

£440 to £339, so maybe just a hundred

[hexed tapir]

Back in my day that would be the regular price

[median warren]

But hey, progress is progressing

[median warren]

I bought my 7200mts c34 32gb kit for £140 💔

Back in the day, aka 2025

[hexed tapir]

So long ago

[gaunt spade]

not worth it

[median warren]

Very worth it

Cheapest 6000 mts 32gb kit I've seen

The 2nd cheapest was like £360

[hexed tapir]

I refuse to pay scalpers including the manufacturer scalping it

[median warren]

Lmao

[hardy horizon]

but it's supply and demanddd ($150/TB QLC SSD pricing) 🙃

SD cards at 5x price

Freaking 30TB NEW HDD were $300 18 months ago. Noe $600 for 24TB refrib (data center salvaged) drives...

[hexed tapir]

My also QLC but small 2230 gen 4 2tb SSD for the steam deck was $130 last year

[hardy horizon]

Oh 128GB used to be ~$300. Now you get MAYBE 32GB for that. 128GB is over $1k 😭😭

[hardy horizon]

Mmmhmm

Or my fave. 4TB t7 external. Normally ~$250. $1,300 now .... $1,300 💀💀💀

[gaunt spade]

should i sell my 4tb ssds for scalper prices

[hardy horizon]

My NAS build came out to $3,200 with 96TB renewed drives..
It's literally a $1,500 build from a year ago with 120TB NEW DRIVES !

[random junco]

damn, i got 32gb for £25 (33 usd) like last august ddr4

[hardy horizon]

Hell you could 100% sell for $50 over when you paid for them new.

[random junco]

baaahahah

[random junco]

gatekeeping at its finest

[hardy horizon]

I've been hunting for 4TB TLC . None exist for the $80/TB I'm willing to pay.

[gaunt spade]

i paid next to nothing for them

[random junco]

maybe even higher. if someone buys it, crazy profit, if nobody does, you get to keep 4tb ssds

[hardy horizon]

Even SATA SSD are crazy priced. 120gb from 2017 ~$20. Now over $120

[hexed tapir]

Cheapest 2x16gb ddr4 is green sticks for $185

[gaunt spade]

i paid 75$ for 2 4tb sata ssds

[random junco]

no way? 120gb for over 100 dollars?

[hardy horizon]

You could sell for $300 all day long used.

[hardy horizon]

Yes.... And WD green sata

[random junco]

ive got a 256 right infront of me right now just sitting there

and a bunch of 500s just in a drawer

it came inside a £30 hp prodesk

[hardy horizon]

$6 per GB is CRAZY for that junk level ram. That used to be dominator Platinum low latency high capacity per GB price.

[gaunt spade]

im gonna list the 4tb ssds tommorow maybe i get lucky and they get sold but then i wont have 11tb of ssds 😭😭

[hardy horizon]

Hella nice investment rn

[hexed tapir]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MbTp99/gskill-tridentz-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4800-cl20-memory-f4-4800c20d-32gtzr this sold for $95 just under 2 years ago 4800 cl20 ddr4

[hardy horizon]

Wait120GB sata are "back down" to $40.
But 4TB are triple. $250 per TB seems the "new normal" 🤮🤮

4x price is WILD!

[random junco]

holy shit

[hardy horizon]

Yeah.... Not happy. And of course once I loaded up the NAS with all of my data and deduplicated everything I quickly realized that I had substantially more than I thought I did....

[random junco]

😂

how are hdd prices? i only ever buy used so i wouldnt really know

is it as bad as ssds

[hardy horizon]

I've been warned That this is about around the % where it's going to start to have some performance issues

[hardy horizon]

2-3x for the high capacity stuff

Yeah approaching 4x

[random junco]

ugh

any signs of declining soon?

[steel umbra]

i used to be able to buy 2tb for 100

nm790, not nq790

[hardy horizon]

No lol.

So I will say they may not be the best example because I show in my PC part picker list that those should be $300 but then I just saw a news story that said that they launched for $600 and maybe that's not exactly the same model but it is the same capacity.

[hardy horizon]

My 4TB were EXPENSIVE at $240 each. I had 4TB crucials that were substantially cheaper than that about half!

[steel umbra]

i assume the crucials aren't as performant

[random junco]

i thought crucial was a good brand

[steel umbra]

crucial p3 lines?

[frail sequoia]

Xb360 mc is peak

[random junco]

oh pft i have a crucial p3 500gb

[hexed tapir]

Dec 2021 I bought a QLC drive for $220

[steel umbra]

gotta buy their mid range or high end ssds

[random junco]

well i got the 500gb for £25 in 2023 so i guess i cant complain too much

[steel umbra]

their low end p3xx series are whatever they can find that meets the spec

[hardy horizon]

They were QLC. But when you go to price that stuff today ... QLC aren't 30% cheaper. If it wasn't for 4 terabyte typically QLC is half the cost.

Here is one for a build I did for someone...

[steel umbra]

$60 per tb was norm for good quality ssds

[steel umbra]

p3s used to be $35 at some point

then $45

then $60

[random junco]

and now whatever these are

[steel umbra]

and then now

[hardy horizon]

Now its literally $250 :l

[random junco]

fortunately ive got everything i need

[hardy horizon]

Hell even TERRIBLE. External portable HDD (60MB/s) are 4x if not more.
They're so expensive twice now I clicked on one thinking it was portable SSD...

[steel umbra]

i'm not paying for new hardware

if anything i'll sell my 3090 and buy a used 5070 ti

[hexed tapir]

Think of the HUGE upside you now have ai chat bots!

[random junco]

especially the super helpful support ones when im in the middle of a crisis

[hardy horizon]

$200 for what was $65?? That literally takes a day to fill? And u know they hate shock.

[drowsy isle]

Struck a solid deal

[hardy horizon]

That our costing company so much that now they're changing how they bill and they're billing on compute usage not on prompts...

So when your AI chatbot does break loose and go crazy and do some crazy stuff you never asked it to you get billed for it even though you're prompt didn't say go build me a PowerPoint and it spent 40 minutes building a PowerPoint...

[ancient light]

5060 ti 16gb or 5070 12gb , lt play games like lego batman or heavily modded mc , fh6 ect.

paired w a ryzen 7 5700x 8c n 16gb ddr4 will upg ram later n couldnt really care about 1080p or 1440p

[hexed tapir]

Used to be like $110 😭

[hexed tapir]

5070 has way more raw power

[random junco]

if u upgrade the cpu ur gonna have to get ddr5 btw

[ancient light]

its a prebuilt 🥺 idk anything about pcs

[random junco]

oh

[hardy horizon]

I desperately needed 64 gig at bare min single stick... But they wanted like $600 and I was like NO!

[ancient light]

£1139 for that am i fried

[random junco]

meh its not as bad as others

[hardy horizon]

5070 ti 12GB

[hexed tapir]

5070 any day

[ancient light]

but the motherboard might be poop

[hardy horizon]

😜. The 5070. The only time VRAM really starts to matter is when you get below that 12 gig mark at 12 gig and above go for the higher performance core.

[random junco]

i had a cheap aliexpress motherboard it didnt affect much

[ancient light]

would it be cheaper to build it myself 🥺

[hardy horizon]

(The 5070 TI is out of production It was the only card that made sense in the entire product stack for its price so Nvidia killed it.)

[random junco]

sure but it wont be cheaper if u make a mistake

[tidal geyser]

is it?

[random junco]

whaa whered it go

[hardy horizon]

Technically no. They just supply constrained it so went from like $700 which is expensive but I guess made sense till like over 1400 so now it doesn't make any sense at all.

[hexed tapir]

5080 has better profit margins and uses the same type and amount of vram soooo

It went to the 5080

[granite river]

In early 2025 I bought a Chinese 1 TB Sata SSD drive on Amazon for $43 on sale

[steel umbra]

they might've also improved yield

[hexed tapir]

"$750" 5070ti or "$999" 5080, both use expensive gddr7 16gb

[ancient light]

do ur ram sticks have to match eachother or

idk how this works 🥺

[hexed tapir]

No

[limber nacelle]

Ideally

[hexed tapir]

It's best to match since they will definitely run at the same specs

[limber nacelle]

but you can get away with non matching

[hardy horizon]

" "

[ancient light]

better paying 1219 for 32gb ram instead?

70 pound differencw

for 16gb

[gaunt spade]

9070xt

[limber nacelle]

so 32gb is 70 pounds more?

[ancient light]

yea

[limber nacelle]

when you go from 16 to 32

id pay that

[ancient light]

1139 for 16 , 1219 for 32

[limber nacelle]

afaik ddr5 8gb sticks are a lot worse, but I dont remember the specifics as to why

[gaunt spade]

ddr4

[limber nacelle]

but its also a lot bette- oh

[ancient light]

yes ddr4.

[limber nacelle]

hmmm

[grizzled frost]

iirc they’re only using half the channel’s bandwidth or something

[ancient light]

no clue what difference it makes but yes

[grizzled frost]

I’m really fuzzy on it, so don’t quote me on that

[limber nacelle]

yeah something to the tune of that

[ancient light]

im not good with this stuff 🥺

[limber nacelle]

just best avoided, though not applicable to them

[limber nacelle]

youre here to learn

🙏

[grizzled frost]

Gotta start somewhere

[ancient light]

so is it worth it 🥺

[tidal geyser]

single channel ddr5 is better than ddr4 as ddr5 splits their memory stuff into 2 different things

[hexed tapir]

So fucking heavy

[ancient light]

that took me so long to understand

[gaunt spade]

1100 pounds for a ddr4 system 🥀

[ancient light]

am i being scammed 🥺

[hardy horizon]

I mean.... In the current environment 🫤. At least it's efficient on the power

[ancient light]

it is kinda expwnsive here for prebuilts tho

its really hard to find a good prebuilt

thats 1640 usd 🥺

[limber nacelle]

I mean, it usually always is going to be more expensive

because you're paying for stuff aside from the raw value of the parts

whether that means the labour in building the pc, the warranty of it, support down the line and etc

[ancient light]

3 year warranty 🥺

[gaunt spade]

i can build a 7800x3d 9070xt for that price

[tidal geyser]

what laptop they buying

[ancient light]

this is gibberish to me

[tidal geyser]

or is it desktop

[ancient light]

i also have no idea how to build pcs

[gaunt spade]

higher numbers

[limber nacelle]

how do you think we learned

[gaunt spade]

its a pc

[gaunt spade]

here this

[limber nacelle]

I legit just watched the ltt guide and read the manuals

[ancient light]

thats like mad long and what if i mess up 🥺

[tidal geyser]

https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=how+to+build+a+pc&segment=startpage.vivaldi.1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1fxZ-VWs2U

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spiderman-spiderverse-across-the-spider-verse-chai-tea-gif-14428002463126744265

[ancient light]

and idk where to find the parts from everything seems mad expensive

[tidal geyser]

pc just stands for personal computer

why do people keep thinking PC stands for desktop pc

[ancient light]

so like its not worth buying that prebuilt 🥺

[grizzled frost]

because that’s the colloquial meaning it has formed

[grizzled frost]

like people that say naan bread, or matcha green tea

[tidal geyser]

im gonna try to destroy that

i hate it so much

[grizzled frost]

You’re able to destroy it no more than you can bury the ocean

yes that’s a reference to john wick, fuck you if you didn’t get it

[gaunt spade]

tomato potato same thing

[grizzled frost]

Tomato PC, same thing

[sleek ibex]

[gaunt spade]

is shakespeare really dead?

[grizzled frost]

no

[hardy horizon]

I mean ... It's IW either it will be good or total 💩

[grizzled frost]

i am him you blabbering blafworth

[hexed tapir]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jw8cbp $1217 32gb diy

[limber nacelle]

"worth it" is subjective

its very dependant on your own personal needs

[tidal geyser]

the laptop market is so fugd

[limber nacelle]

compare what buying a prebuilt can do for you versus what you get when you build it yourself

[ancient light]

what is intel core brochacho i havr no idea on the differences

[random junco]

u never heard of intel core

[limber nacelle]

ask yourself if you need what X or Y offers, and come to a conclusion on your own

[ancient light]

no

[limber nacelle]

🥀

dear lord

[halcyon quest]

whats the best gpu for me if i only play minecraft and fortnite at 1080p and under 250

[ancient light]

give me a break i probably have 🥺

i just got off work

[tidal geyser]

ah dam the last part

[hexed tapir]

Used rtx 2070

[halcyon quest]

yea im kinda on a budget

[tidal geyser]

used b580

[random junco]

ahh i had the super version, amazing

[halcyon quest]

im looking at the 6700 xt and the 3060 ti

[hardy horizon]

Microsoft surface was just like here here's over 30% upcharge 👀. And then you have people like a Lenovo who notoriously have 30 to 50% off offering almost nothing... Like $3k laptops used to be like WOAH... Now they aren't even impressive.

[ancient light]

isnt this literally the same price as the one id buy or is this better then that

[halcyon quest]

but im open to more choices

[gaunt spade]

no 40 series?

[ancient light]

since the one id be buying is 1219

[tidal geyser]

when people come in without a budget the 5090 or ada 6000 pro are the first to be said when someone asks best without a budget

[limber nacelle]

not cheap unless ur lucky

like i got with the 4060 I had briefly

[halcyon quest]

arent the used ones over 200

[hexed tapir]

But mine has better parts

[halcyon quest]

but what if i have a budget?

[hardy horizon]

That's why I'm trying to get GFN to work for Mac gaming.

That way I can sell my 4090 laptop for $2.5k before the market cools!

[tidal geyser]

lenovo is meant to be one of the more well priced laptop brands but its like 4000$ for a laptop with a b390 and i kinda need it to be lenovo as they actually have low level linux support.

[tidal geyser]

i already said used b580

[gaunt spade]

yea u have around 250

[limber nacelle]

the real answer is look locally and compare options

[steel umbra]

i forgot 212 trading offrers post market

[limber nacelle]

then look online and then compare those

[tidal geyser]

we know what is good and bad but they do not

[limber nacelle]

and buy whatever gets 6ou the best value for your money in terms of performance

[halcyon quest]

ebay or facebook marketplace?

[limber nacelle]

why not both

personally ive always had more success with fbm

[halcyon quest]

cuz facebook marketplace has no returns

[tidal geyser]

there is also the risks, a decent chunk of people buy cards that are said to have issues but cant could not be bothered to read the description

[limber nacelle]

but thats anecdotal and its because of my locality

[tidal geyser]

not the end of the world

[hexed tapir]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/287361554528 if you want to use nearly your whole budget rtx 3070

[limber nacelle]

meh

[halcyon quest]

does vram amount matter if imn playing fortnite

[limber nacelle]

if ur that worried test it first

[hexed tapir]

Not for fortnight

[limber nacelle]

ive always been quite lucky with it

[halcyon quest]

im using a ryzen 5 5500 cpu

[halcyon quest]

i can only find a580

[gaunt spade]

time to pack up

[halcyon quest]

i have a budget

[gaunt spade]

no

[deep musk]

You need an rtx pro 6000

[tidal geyser]

sad

[hexed tapir]

What country are you in

[gaunt spade]

it would be way more beneficial for you to upgrade your cpu than your gpu unless you have a gt 710 or sum

[halcyon quest]

california

[gaunt spade]

for fortnite

[halcyon quest]

im getting the microcenter bundle tho

[tidal geyser]

a yes the great country of california

[hardy horizon]

Sad. If Nvidia didn't buy steak in Intel. AMD and Intel would be battling it out for IGPU performance.

Which would make in videos effectively exit from the gaming market actually manageable.. but u know. ARC dGPU is dead.

Panther lake has been murdered by its own pricing.

that also means that now there's not a ton of pressure on Apple to actually incentivize game devs to come back after they were burned when Apple dropped all 32-bit support...

The M6 Will inevitably have a similar core count to m4 except it will actually have performance behind it.. since they neutered M5 pro to make room for M6.
And raw power in an IGP was right up there around that laptop 80-90 class.

Nvidia killed the personal computing market in more ways than just pricing people out.

[halcyon quest]

wait california is astate

[gaunt spade]

what gpu do you have

[random junco]

good night brah

[limber nacelle]

intel sells steaks now?

[halcyon quest]

none since im building one

[tidal geyser]

arc Dgpus are selling like hot cakes just not the consumer ones as much as the "ai" ones or whatever

[deep musk]

I don’t want shit Nvidia to mess with my little intel dgpu department

[limber nacelle]

sounds yummy

[deep musk]

Did you already buy the 5500?

[hardy horizon]

To us government at $20 per share. Government has 500% investment in less than a year ...

[halcyon quest]

not yet

[deep musk]

Get a 5600 instead of the 5500

[limber nacelle]

do they use it for surf and turfs?

grass fed?

[deep musk]

way better for the money

[hardy horizon]

It's already dead.
Intel IGP will go from Arc to Nvidia. ARC dGPU is dead.

[halcyon quest]

im getting themicrocenter bundle tho

[ancient light]

What makes it better im confused

[gaunt spade]

what

[deep musk]

It’s not, they’ll continue making workstation cards

[tidal geyser]

no

[hardy horizon]

2 days of AI firing missiles probably

[halcyon quest]

ryzen 5 5500 16 gb ddr4 ram and a motherboard for $200

[random junco]

the parts

[gaunt spade]

i guess labruh

[deep musk]

The 5500 is such a bad deal that it’s not worth it, at least, get the bundle, sell the 5500 and get a 5600

[ancient light]

theyre pretty much all the same i think he js changed the cpu

[random junco]

so many xx.xx domains availabe

[limber nacelle]

huh didnt know that you could use beef to do that but thats cool

[random junco]

charge ur phone and sleep

[ancient light]

🥺

[hardy horizon]

Well yeah. If you say you're exiting the data center market your shareholders are bankrupt you from a massive sell-off.

But they're not going to compete with Nvidia cuz that would be silly ... You don't bite the hand that fed you. The same hand that could easily retaliate and just make your CPUs completely incompatible arbitrarily and hand the entire plate over too your competitor AMD.

[ancient light]

why is the cpoo better id just like to know ill probably end up buying his one 🥺

[limber nacelle]

Google it

[ancient light]

Sigh ok

[gaunt spade]

bro is 15 hours behind

[limber nacelle]

||but in short, more l3 cache||

[random junco]

bro is 15 hours ahead

[deep musk]

@halcyon quest trust as someone with the 5500 it is not worth what it costs at all

[tidal geyser]

intel and nvidia in the mobile market are trying to compete on very different things

[limber nacelle]

but think of the mem oc potential

[ancient light]

it says the amd has more l3 cache i have no idea whay that is but Ok.

[steel umbra]

@tidal geyser i made probably 11th successful swing trade today, no loss swings

[random junco]

faster

[steel umbra]

how lucky is that

[deep musk]

Huh?

[ancient light]

but then u say the i5 is better 🥺

[tidal geyser]

very

[hardy horizon]

Oh I was talking desktop. But Nvidia already said Intel will be using in video RTX for IGPU

[tidal geyser]

no they did not

[hardy horizon]

I just wanted x9 pather lake for $1,800.

[limber nacelle]

r5 5500 are decent at mem oc no? cause its cezanne

[deep musk]

It’s a 5600gt without the igpu

(Aka pcie gen 3, zen2, and very limited tdp)

[limber nacelle]

exactly

[hardy horizon]

"For personal computing, Intel will build and offer to the market x86 system-on-chips (SOCs) that integrate NVIDIA RTX GPU chiplets. These new x86 RTX SOCs will power a wide range of PCs that demand integration of world-class CPUs and GPUs."

[limber nacelle]

wait no its not zen2

its zen3, just cezanne and not vermeer

[deep musk]

Iirc it is

[limber nacelle]

so cut down L3

[limber nacelle]

just performs similar to that of

[tidal geyser]

where is this from also autocorrect changed nvidia to in video

thought you somehow meant nvenc only or smn

[deep musk]

Half iirc

[tidal geyser]

i would also like to see it

[hardy horizon]

Nvidia press release. September 2025 When they bought 5 billion dollars of Intel right after the US government did US government got it for under 20 bucks, Nvidia at $23 stock hit like 130 last week.

[tidal geyser]

fun

[limber nacelle]

yer, 32mb to 16mb iirc

[random junco]

iirc

[tidal geyser]

so the same as those intel with amd gpu cpus in the intel canyon lake NUCs

gonna be interesting but i would imagine it would have the same issues as any old nvidia dgpu

i would first like to see it before i trust it too

[limber nacelle]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/processors/ryzen/ryzen-5000-series/amd-ryzen-5-5500.html

but yeah, you can check here yourself: it's zen3

[tidal geyser]

no mo ccx

[empty quartz]

Huh

[halcyon quest]

rtx 2080 ti or super?

[random junco]

super

[halcyon quest]

whats the diff?

[random junco]

one is superior

its a minor difference but its a difference

[halcyon quest]

all the youtube videos show that the ti is better tho

[random junco]

oh

check benchmarks for what you do

[halcyon quest]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2080S-Super/4027vs4050

it also says that the ti has more fortnite fps

which is basiclly the only game imma play

[tidal geyser]

I FKN KNEW IT

[hardy horizon]

Yes, but it will replace consumer arc. When you buy a portion of a company you get to apply pressure where you feel is needed.

Because the shareholders are in charge of the company. So you're not going to let Intel compete with 12 gig GPUs at $250 when you're 12 gig GPU is $900...

[halcyon quest]

?

[tidal geyser]

UBM

the worst benchmarking site known to any pc builder

[deep musk]

Which resolution?

[halcyon quest]

1080

[random junco]

brah

how many hz is ur monitor

[tidal geyser]

or maybe its that the 12GB vram alone are like 250$

[hardy horizon]

Hmm. Soo 6060. ZERO cuda so can't AI. $850. 💪🤘🏻🤘🏻

[deep musk]

Super will be ok for now but you should get the ti in my opinion ngl

[halcyon quest]

imma get one today any suggestions?

[random junco]

windows posted the exact same post, word for word at the same time

[deep musk]

Good

[tidal geyser]

intel can only compete at low prices and when that dies then what is the point of selling their gpus

[odd marsh]

Pretty good low power performance

[steel umbra]

despite super high spreads i pulled it off within 25 mins

[halcyon quest]

hehe

[tidal geyser]

mobile yea

iv been doing some research

a 5090 laptop is about 30 000nok so like 3000$ while the cheapest panther lake with the b390 that has decent linux support is about uh 40 000nok 4000$

[halcyon quest]

do u think ts is legit https://www.ebay.com/itm/366442863616?

[random junco]

its a bid

not a buy it now

[halcyon quest]

oo facts

[hardy horizon]

And that used to be Intel's choice to make. Now it's a threat to its investor business model.

Which happens to be the most powerful and influential company in the entire world and has the ability for its statements to cause destruction in the world economy... They start to sell, you company is bankrupt in a week.

They say jump, you will thank them for the glorious opportunity and jump as hard as you can.

[hardy horizon]

Who is that?

[random junco]

🪟

[hardy horizon]

$850 for a 1080p LOW card? 20-25 FPS on RT low. Games won't launch unless RT on 🙃

[deep musk]

Ah shit if it’s this price then boooo

[hardy horizon]

Not really. They were showing 1080p med cards should have 12 gigs of VRAM minimum. And that disturbs the market who would like to try to insist that with DLSS 10X frame Gen you only need 2GB...

[steel umbra]

aand im left with this many shares oops

[hardy horizon]

Why would it not though? 70 series (5070 TI) is $999 rn.

[tidal geyser]

the longer this goes on the more the tinfoil hat starts to show

[deep musk]

Cause it’s a 60 card, it shouldn’t be more than 600 CAD

[deep musk]

Im not the only thinking this, thank god

[hardy horizon]

Not really. The company wields an insane amount of global power right now. There are now only 3 countries whose GDP is more than Nvidias worth. Germany, China, USA.

[hardy horizon]

60 series is $300-$350 card. It's entry level. I don't know anywhere that's $600 is considered an entry-level component

I would like to think that I'm wrong. But I've not seen any licensing agreements out of Nvidia for CUDA.

So it seems like they don't want any competition in the space.

[hardy horizon]

Idk I'm pretty jaded from "inflation is transitory" only to have that be a blatant lie. Record profits, stagnant wages, that never corrected for the inflation.
$3,800 mortgages for homes that had $1,600 mortgages in 2019.

[hardy horizon]

But hey maybe Nvidia is going back to supporting gamers and back to basics.
🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻 And we'll have:
6090 be a 48 GB card for $800.
6080 24GB for $700
6070ti 16GB for $550
6070 16GB for $500
6060 ti 12GB for $400
6060 12GB for $350
Gen over gen:
6060 RT performance= 5070 tie rasterized 5080 RT
6070=5080 rasterized, 5090 RT

[drowsy isle]

64gb ddr5 was never that cheap unless find some rare find on facebook marketplace

cheapest were like $160

[steel umbra]

msrp

real price will be $1500 for 6060

$6900 for 6070

and $99999 for 6090

[hardy horizon]

Can't say that ... It's tinfoil 😩

[onyx bluff]

Some of that was also 2019 having benefitted from the fake money printing that we're paying for now

inflation takes time

and the US ran a "free money" policy with, fuck, just look at the chart

so from 2008 until the end of covid, basically, the people who loan you money could borrow money from the Fed (that's how banks work, it's not "It's a Wonderful Life" where the Banks are limited to the value of their deposits, and hasn't been for 70+ years) for FREE

so... they did. they borrowed LOTS of it

[sturdy jewel]

do u gys suggest turning this on. my friend said no and to keep it on default

[valid garden]

who tf needs cuda

[onyx bluff]

this is a fun chart if you want to know where your money went

do you see how the line goes straight up right there in 2020 ?

we're paying for that. now.

[valid garden]

everything is becoming CUDA, Vulkan, and OpenCL these days, fuck CUDA and boom

[onyx bluff]

Nvidia supporting gamers? why?

[steel umbra]

@snow mauve did you sell your stg or hold it? in post-market the stock has dropped down to 5.22 so just so you know

[onyx bluff]

they're a publically traded company which doesn't even report geforce/consumer GPU sales as a line item in their revenues, anymore

they couldn't care less about gaming at all, if they tried.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-moves-gaming-segment-under-edge-computing-gaming-slows-down-due-to-elevated-prices/

[valid garden]

they havent cared since the 40 series.

[steel umbra]

oh just wait until datacenters stop buying their gpus due to poor profitability

[azure topaz]

what’s wrong with vulkan 😭😭

[valid garden]

???

[onyx bluff]

edge computing includes all us gamers, "physical AI PCs" game consoles (switch), workstations, robotics, and fucking CARS and that was just $6 billion of a $68 billion quarter

[valid garden]

I said fuck CUDA

vulkan and opencl are fine, maybe ROCm but thats not universal

[azure topaz]

okay but what part of cuda is making you bring up vulkan

why is it in the same sentence

[valid garden]

im bringing up the 3 main things used in consumer AI

[azure topaz]

vulkan is a rendering api

[valid garden]

and its used for AI too

[onyx bluff]

even if data center shrunk 75% it would still be 3x the size of the whole "edge" vertical. We don't matter to nvidia at all, aside from a marketing exercise at this point

like we're good for nvidia to create buzz on their stock. that's it

[valid garden]

sure, ROCm is better on AMD but Vulkan is catching the fuck up in AI

[onyx bluff]

and I just mean media eyeballs. I don't mean relevant dollars

GPUs are going to get rekt by ASICs anyway

[valid garden]

nmeh

[onyx bluff]

for AI/gen compute

[hardy horizon]

Yes, The problem is is there's no such thing as deflation.... That's a recession.
Which is why when face was Sophie's dilemma of do you let unemployment skyrocket or inflation run unchecked the Fed has always chosen unemployment. Because unemployment can be corrected. (And you come back stronger)

The issue is once they realize the inflation was not going to be transitory and that All that lending that would normally be going to generate new jobs and new opportunities and increase GDP. was just going into making companies more valuable... when they went to raise the interest rates they didn't do enough.
Historically the last time the Fed had to deal with a problem like this it wasn't 5%, it should have been 18% + fed rate. Because that would have caused asset prices to correct. But they didn't ..

And now they have no choice but to drop interest rates because the economy is now stalling which means that this is the new normal. wages will never hit a chance to balance out the prior inflation. and the fed rate fell so now asset holders will continue to be enriched by the devaluing of the dollar.

Full blown K shaped.

[fickle ivy]

Is this a good option for my living room?

[azure topaz]

yes

[fickle ivy]

Thank you

[onyx bluff]

well, I mean, ideally you combat inflation with wage growth and that's just called

you know, growth

but that's not monetary policy that's fiscal

[onyx bluff]

no USBc?

[hardy horizon]

People who spend $850 expect their GPU to do more than game.

[hardy horizon]

They said I was being hard care Tin foil. So I laid out what would be reasonable for NextGen.

[hardy horizon]

They can't. If you refuse and order offered to you because you're waiting on permits or something you go to the back of the line for next-gen which means you're no longer competitive... There's companies with 300,000 GPUs sitting in warehouses for data centers that have yet to be built...

[onyx bluff]

no, you're laying out an unrealistically optimistic view if you'd consider that "cares about games" 12GB 6060 for $350 something that might even remotely happen

[hardy horizon]

Yes, But that doesn't work when you don't have a windfall profit system in place like somewhere like the UK does.

[azure topaz]

i hope i can just sell my 5070tu for like a house or sumn

[onyx bluff]

You can absolutely have wage growth without confiscatory taxes

[hardy horizon]

Well that's where The price should be adjusted for inflation. That's also exactly where Arc was, 60 class is entry level 1080p.

[hardy horizon]

Not when The company receives a bunch of money and literally make money from just taking a loan... because it's lower than the inflation rate and just buy up their own stock to increase their value.

Where is the incentive for them to not do that?

[onyx bluff]

we just have a government bought and paid for by corporations which refuse that to happen from the bottom-up... because those are the workers those corporations exploit for their talent. I don't think it's a coincidence that the tech oligarchy all of a sudden having immunity from the justice department coinciding with the greatest crunch their labor force has ever seen, happened by accident, you know? But the point is - walmart, et al have been doing it for 40, 50 years now

[hardy horizon]

It's like people who bought homes in 2019-2020. The APR was 1/15th inflation... The act of taking the loan made them more money in a shorter amount of time than they ever thought possible.

[onyx bluff]

generally speaking stock buy-backs are poorly understood. It's effectively the same thing as a dividend, but more efficient toward the goal of a market which has equal buyers and sellers

[hardy horizon]

It used to be buying back your own stock with trigger a fire sale from investors. But the investment market has become so disconnected from actual company value that that no longer happens.

[onyx bluff]

leveraging that act, as in borrowing money to do so, would always/should always draw consideration

[steel umbra]

money doesn’t come just out of nowhere at some point they’ll stop buying if there’s no profit and no matter the bubble size can save it

[onyx bluff]

but other times, like, there's generally good reason to do it. Apple for example, quite famously sold Bonds despite their massive cash hoard and buybacks, because they were a lower credit risk than the federal government

and if you view it through that lens

that was a benevolent act for society, according to creditors, quite literally. More stable than the US government, a bond you could just hold and get paid back under maturity. And all the shareholders got richer, too. Sweet.

[steel umbra]

dividends are also poorly understood

some people don’t understand the simple fact that the company company loses value after dividends

[deep musk]

Everything in finance is misunderstood

Ngl

[onyx bluff]

well. conceptually it's easy to visualize as that value being "peeled" away from the stock, and given to you as a dividend

[steel umbra]

i mean the profit i made today it was mainly bc of a large 50m share buyback when the company’s mkt cap was like 38M

[onyx bluff]

it's not new fruit being created. same amount of fruit

[steel umbra]

you know 50m buy back and 38m mkt cap

no wonder it went nuts

that’s why i read company balance sheets

[onyx bluff]

orange slice economics tho

[steel umbra]

i saw huge amounts of undervalued cash

[onyx bluff]

I called AMD back in 20 fucking 15 because they were trading for less than their cash on hand

whole company had something like a 1.5 billion market cap against 2 in cash

and the craziest part is that Lisa spent it all, too 😭 had to sell the HQ to make rent, there

[steel umbra]

i bought suss microtec and waf, soi bc of they had like 1/3 cash on hand and they were silicon wafer producers

well, now they’re 3-8x than less than a year ago

[hardy horizon]

No. The entire mortgage market worldwide in 2008 was less than the size of this bubble... Not the size of toxic assets that caused the credit crunch are less than the size of this bubble... The entire market....

Why do you think the money is flocking into Nvidia? AI is literally "too big to fail."

There's more annual investment into AI than Manhattan and Apollo combined.
This year alone it will be 650 billion dollars... Adjusted for inflation over a period of more than 13 years the spending for Apollo and Manhattan is ~ half of what will be spent on AI this year alone.

[steel umbra]

i ofc sold way before even 1.5x

[steel umbra]

again, no profit is no bueno

[onyx bluff]

this is much more dotcom than 2008

[steel umbra]

no profit = bubble will pop

if it will become profitable then that’s less likely

[onyx bluff]

well, maybe, soon, someday, driven by a catalyst that's likely nothing to do with AI

[steel umbra]

but so far it looks more sad every month

investors expect way too great future returns for AI when there are stocks out there that offrer those return now

[hardy horizon]

The profit will be the bailouts... Governments assuming total risk for devaluation.

[steel umbra]

then it will bring down the government funds as well

[onyx bluff]

everyone says the dotcom bubble popped in march 2000 but look at what happened to stocks (okay, not defence or oil stocks) after 9/11. That's really the event that ended the go-go 90s and brought upon the "need" for an asset bubble from 2003-2007 to help pretend everything was alright

coughs and points at chart from earlier

[steel umbra]

you can’t just burn cash (energy, materials, etc.) for no profit or overall benefit

forever

[tropic mango]

I like built my first pc 2 months ago im 16 and if I posted it on reddit it would've been swept under the rug like the other 4000000 posts of young people building computers

[onyx bluff]

actually, and here's the funny part

[steel umbra]

well then bring the whole economy down with AI yay!!

[hardy horizon]

Yes, in ramifications. The shock from something typically considered unremarkable market correction would be detrimental.

If Nvidia is worth 5 trillion dollars and its stock drops 10% in a single day. That's $500 billion in credit losses. Sure it could in theory come back up...

Or it could be just enough to cause a liquidity crisis at enough banks to cause another global credit crisis.

[steel umbra]

the reason why investors invest is clear right?

profit.

maybe here and there are like few people that don’t do it for profit

[onyx bluff]

I'm not sure I buy this argument at all

[steel umbra]

no profit? = nobody cares unless your service is like charity

[onyx bluff]

Nvidia has plenty of profit

[steel umbra]

plenty of profit doesn’t mean good %

[onyx bluff]

today. at the 5 trillion valuation they're at a price/earnings ratio of 32

which given the rest of the market is like.... normal

[hardy horizon]

Ehh, they said the same thing with tarp money. And the quantitative easing... Which was governments buying up assets that had lost value for the bank and paying them full price.

So the bank gambled and then when the bank was facing losses they just handed it over to the government which gave them a full refund. Any gamble that they made money on the Banks got to keep.

No moral hazard, no risk, When the back goes bad The government issues you a refund. When the deck goes good you get to keep the profits.

[onyx bluff]

fucking walmart's PE is 40

[steel umbra]

40* not 32

[onyx bluff]

I'm on google finance right now

32.33

[steel umbra]

well i guess yes if you do this quarter mb

[steel umbra]

is that long lasting?

[onyx bluff]

yeah soup to nuts nvidia is getting less hype than walmart

I think the whole market is overbought and expensive

moreso than "just" nvidia, or even nvidia at all, really

[steel umbra]

again governments get money from taxes

you pay taxes.

[hardy horizon]

Because AI has already proven in the real world to be a massive force multiplier for militaries.
So now it's blank check for who will rule the world.
That's what happens when you let something that everybody knew was going to be dangerous run rampant, should have put controls on it in 2008.

[onyx bluff]

AMD's PE , for example. 170??? going to have to 5-10x that earnings to return to normal imo and ime

[steel umbra]

what about food? isn’t that proven as well?

food goes up during wars

[onyx bluff]

Tesla's PE of 400 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[hardy horizon]

Well and historically even during the prior war the decade earlier the countries involved in wars economies tend to flourish and grow rapidly.... Interestingly enough that didn't happen.... I wonder why 🤦🏻

[steel umbra]

anyways alr i agree with p/e of 32 on nvidia

but that’s still under 3.3% profit a year

worse than inflation

[hardy horizon]

You can if The interest rate is negative. 😈

[onyx bluff]

I don't mean to belabor the point, I'm js that if there's bubble risk in the asset world it's more from software vendors and unrelated companies experiencing hype than nvidia themselves. they're the ones selling shovels in this gold rush and the smart money is with them atm in my view

[steel umbra]

it’s a common misconception / generalization that we develop better technology during war time, yes you develop things related military much quicker but not other things

[hardy horizon]

Actually no. You invest because the company's value will increase typically proportionate to the amount of inflation and you get profits on top of that.
You can attempt to park your cash in a bank but you're getting paid substantially less than real world inflation. And that's the problem.

That's what pours gasoline on a K shape is right there.

[steel umbra]

but if you look how many inventions were created during peace

i think it’s safe to say wars are pretty net negative

[onyx bluff]

well....... the "trickle down" effect of mil and aerospace tech is much more direct than the financial tax-flow bastardization of the terminology

just look at all of today's world that came directly from Apollo

[steel umbra]

yes but look how much effort was shoved into it

[onyx bluff]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

[steel umbra]

ofc stuff will come out if you shove in so much money

[onyx bluff]

because it was "total war" despite it being a cold war

something like 2%+ of the GDP was the space program

[steel umbra]

imagine if that money was spent on better worldwide education

i think we would have a lot more technology by now

[onyx bluff]

the same companies largely get that budget today. just through the military instead of NASA

it's "basically" the same thing but painted camo instead of red white and blue. which yeah, it's gross and we should be putting the efforts to more "noble" pursuits but let's not pretend that the whole reason we did Apollo was that we were basically firing a middle-finger shaped rocket over Russia to establish a moon war base... if we wanted to! (Could you? hmm? didn't think so. 😤)

so, again, noble? ehh

[steel umbra]

anyways i find last 3 decades of the market as a potential anomaly due to how much it has risen compared to other decades/centuries but it might’ve just changed and higher p/es are the norm

[hardy horizon]

500 billion would be enough liquidity loss in the repo market to cause a shock wave through the global credit system. The headlines alone for 10% single day job could cause people to try to make a run on the stock.

Lehman was only 63 billion. That's all the actual value destruction was.

It will fall down to how much of this is CDO. Whether or not AIG was a moron and took on a bunch of CDOs again. And whether or not the debt losses are spread out enough to allow absorption and spring back.
Wachovia was bleeding $1B dollars a day.

[onyx bluff]

alright nah that's

that's a bunch of numbers that

[steel umbra]

if’s common for nvidia stock to move -2% or +2% a day

[onyx bluff]

lehman's market cap wasn't the

[steel umbra]

it happens like every other day

10% wouldn’t trigger much i think

[hardy horizon]

Yeah but they have massive growth in sectors. They are starting to suppress Amazon's growth.
And most importantly unlike Amazon they have the physical network to do it in the cheap, Amazon has tried for the last decade to do and cannot.
Oh and they're not reliant on a postal service like UPS for goods transportation They own their own.

[steel umbra]

look how volatile nvidia is rn

[onyx bluff]

okay so lehman had fucking $613 BILLION in DEBT

that they were defaulting on

that's the problem lmfao

and yeah, if nvidia of today went down 10% in 2008's market... uh... yeah.

[steel umbra]

btw past growth doesn’t mean future growth

people often use past growth as a proof of future growth

[hardy horizon]

Yeah, but The US government debt has now exceeded GDP so it doesn't matter. Just put more debt on it.

It's never going to get paid every single citizen owes like 144,000 considering for most citizens that's 3 years of gross pay it's never getting paid... The only option is to have the economy attempts out GDP it.

[steel umbra]

terms like momentum are frequently used

[steel umbra]

there were breaking points when greats power fell due to debt

[onyx bluff]

the US GDP in 2008 was 14.7 T. last year it was 31 trillion

[hardy horizon]

Not really. Not if you're a self-sustaining country. Which is what The US was capable of prior.

[onyx bluff]

debt:GDP ratios are not a hard rule of law

[frigid blade]

That number reported by our government is underestimated anyway

[steel umbra]

okay you’re talking nonesense now

yes really* absolutely yes

you can track right now how trump makes prices of grain go up or down

how venezuela, iran and ukraine affected grain, corn prices

[onyx bluff]

Japan's debt to gdp ratio is 230%

people fearmongering about that specific number don't really like

know anything, I'm sorry

[frigid blade]

$2.8B is spent on just interest daily

[hardy horizon]

But what happens to all of the contracts NVD has in place When the demand dries up those contracts dry up .. but all of that investment in infrastructure for these companies Now suddenly stop printing cash and they run into a cash crisis?
TSMC immediately comes to mind. As does ASML.

[onyx bluff]

like, yeah, the interest will eventually be, like, more than this, but... keep in mind the federal government basically refinanced itself at that 0% rate during COVID. that's what that was

[steel umbra]

you can also see how food skyrocketted everywhere during ww1, ww2, depressions, etc.

[hardy horizon]

Well I believe it's more rooted in world war II where The workforce was hypermobilized and building planes faster than they could be destroyed.

[steel umbra]

i agree military technology grows during wars but not technology overall or expect military

[hardy horizon]

But it was less than half of the committed AI spending for this year. And Apollo was an 11-year long program.

[frigid blade]

Interest will double in a decade

[steel umbra]

yes you will get technology when you spent so much money

probably less efficient than organic technology tho

[onyx bluff]

I say, and this is the crazy part, we halve the defense budget, DOUBLE the national debt, and return the $39 trillion generated directly to the american people. rahhh now that's freedom

[steel umbra]

like you get with well educated people

[onyx bluff]

#doge

[hardy horizon]

I know, And as they grow they becomes more and more of a systematic risk

[frigid blade]

Just print $39T and pay off the debts 🧠

[onyx bluff]

yeah half the "defense" budget, we just call it war now

[steel umbra]

2027 usa civil war

[hardy horizon]

Sure, But there were still acid value there They did not have 600 billion in default.

[onyx bluff]

that would let us borrow the 39T from... idk whever we borrowed the last 39T from, it's fine

[onyx bluff]

I'm not sure you know what bankrupt means but uh

[grizzled frost]

The only people that actually call it the department of war are doing so whilst criticizing it

[onyx bluff]

literally false

https://www.war.gov/

that's what it's called now. like, bro

[grizzled frost]

That is indeed what i said

[frigid blade]

Force California to have the US borrow $39T, then declare war on California and as a consequence of the loss have them zero out the debt

[gilded imp]

according to an executive order and nothing more but sure

[deep musk]

Legally it’s still the department of defence, not of war

[grizzled frost]

The only people who actually refer to it as that name are people criticizing the naem change, that is indeed what i said

[onyx bluff]

yeah it's only fucking set in bronze at the pentagon but sure only the haters are doing it as a taunt, or something

[frigid blade]

And we can nuke them also

[steel umbra]

2027 california vs us debt civil war

[gilded imp]

yep.. an executive order

[onyx bluff]

Bold of you to think California is losing that war