tech-chat-1

[snow mauve]

do you want it cause of all the sata ports?

[grizzled frost]

i'd assume they want them becasue it's cheap asf

[snow mauve]

i remember that being the one i really wanted back in the mining days lol. but the caveat at the time was you could not use all the ports/slots at the time and was pending a future firmware update

like i think 19 gpu right? but nobody could use all 19...

[deep musk]

you can get a bunch of sata controllers in x1 cards, woeth it ngl, (If you'll use it for storage)

[frail pecan]

thats part of it, but mostly for the cheap cost of it

im not aware of much cheaper motherboards

[snow mauve]

for that cost just get it, then figure out the nuance lol

[grizzled frost]

they don't even have a bunch of SATA ports, they have a bunch of USB3.0 to PCIE or PCIE x1

[snow mauve]

send me one too

[grizzled frost]

You'd need PCIE risers in addition to a bunch of HBAs

[snow mauve]

sorry my bad, its the high gpu slots right

yea and whatever riser cards/cables you get...double the order 'just in case' 🙂

miner's regret

[grizzled frost]

As i said, they ahve a bunch of USB 3.0 to PCIe, or PCIe x1 lsots, so with risers you can get a fuck load of PCIe Slots

low bandwidth slots mind you

[deep musk]

ohhh yeah, the pcie slots are in the weird "random" places on these, right?

[elfin solstice]

Guys this will be my first ever build(it’s 1500dollars if there’s only americans in here)

[snow mauve]

the board would come with some supporting purchases of course to fully exploit

[bold kindle]

in some situations, even DLSS 4.5 Quality sucks. like in POE2, constant flickering of pixels, DLAA is perfect though.

[grizzled frost]

are you getting a 7600x3d or a 9700x, cause those are very different CPUs

also the fuck do they mean you get whatever storage and PSU they feel like giving you

[elfin solstice]

Depends if budget allows

[grizzled frost]

that sounds sketchy as hell

[median warren]

correct me if im wrong, but £4300 for a 9850x3d, 32gb of ddr5 ram, 2tb of m.2 storage and a 5090 isnt a bad deal

[elfin solstice]

That’s not from the store that’s just notes i took

[grizzled frost]

It is indeed a good price

[median warren]

Although ofc it is a prebuilt so there is less customisation but damn its not bad

[bold kindle]

i would not say a good deal. i'd place a good deal price on that at 3500

[median warren]

but 5090 dude

[bold kindle]

oh nvm sorry

[grizzled frost]

You'd struggle to find a 5090 for 3500 dude

[median warren]

those aint cheap

[bold kindle]

yeah that's probably decent

[median warren]

5090 alone is £3000

cheapest 5090 i see right now is £2990

[bold kindle]

what would it cost for one identical but 5080?

so i can see what your market is like

[median warren]

uk market, let me see

[bold kindle]

considdering the 5090 is comically overpriced overall, maybe that PC there is a sick deal, isn't the 3090 like 3000?

for me it costs 3000 usd, only the 3090

[snow mauve]

yea i still can't fathom doing basically a car downpayment for a gpu

[median warren]

here, all of these have 5080s

[snow mauve]

i nearly felt sick paying $800 for my last gpu lol

[grizzled frost]

3090 is like 1000usd

[junior merlin]

Not getting 64GB of RAM for $4000 is kinda crazy

[median warren]

wdym

5090 takes £3000 of the £4300 budget

so you have £1300 left over

and its a 9850x3d

[bold kindle]

ok i'd say all of those are decent deals, including 5090 if you value that part

does not seem liek they are overcharging for the building.

[median warren]

here are the exact specs of the 5090 system

i love scan, they are actually quite transparent and make it easy to see exactly what theyre putting in

[bold kindle]

is it 3000 pounds too?

[median warren]

yes 5090 is 3000

[bold kindle]

then it's a steal, if you're ok paying 3k for the GPU

[median warren]

i have a pc right now, got a 4080 super and 14700k so i dont need it, just saw and seemed like a banger deal

[bold kindle]

do you have an oled or a 4k monitor?

[median warren]

i do not

but im not buying the pc cause 4080 super enough for me

[grizzled frost]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2ftQqd
same build 150 pounds cheaper

[bold kindle]

i think either of those comes far before a 5090, for price to visual value. i've actually learned that 4k matters if you want to avoid seeing pixels on edges. but Oled matters more for literally everything else.

[grizzled frost]

resolution isn't what's important for "seeing pixels", PPI is

[median warren]

hang on

[bold kindle]

oh x) then stop daydreaming about GPUs and get an oled or 4k 😄

[vast otter]

Love the way he roasts the current generation and apple.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KfkH9VIccMM?si=t2RIWxNqBZtxR-0b

[median warren]

i do want to get an oled but my monitor works fine so no reason to switch

[grizzled frost]

you say that until you get an OLED

[bold kindle]

4k oled is pricy, and might not be worth it considdering that oled still isn't without minor drawbacks.
i'll likely upgrade my oled i just bought in 2-3 years, if things like grayscale on woled is fixed. and priced come down.

[grizzled frost]

once you have an OLED, you can never go back

[median warren]

okay wait

[grizzled frost]

you can get a 4k oled for like 600usd

[median warren]

scan is actually insane with the £4300 price

i made the same pc in pcpartpicker, i mean like same components, same brands etc, its £5316 https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/8VRzNp

[drowsy isle]

Too bad these phones arent really in the us

[median warren]

and theyre selling it for £4300

[drowsy isle]

Its ptetty much samsung or apple and google

[grizzled frost]

yeah, cause they're not paying 5316

the list i linked will perform identically

[median warren]

ah yeah

i guess it helps if your company is nvidia, amd, corsair and etc partners

[median warren]

that is true, but one thing someone wouldnt get with it is the 3 year warranty

[bold kindle]

my ambitions not 2160 though, i want 2880p, i think that's gonna be the ''retina'' era.

[grizzled frost]

vast majority of those components come with a multi year warranty

[median warren]

yeaaah but, they also come out free of charge and fix it for you or replace any damaged parts so, that kind of warranty you arent getting

so it is worth it for someone who has the money and doesnt want to build it

[grizzled frost]

true, but it's not some insane deal

it's a reasonable price with a 100 pound markup

[median warren]

hear me out

i sell my pc, i throw in the money i have right now, i nuke my bank acount to pretty much 0, i got a 5090 pc

i will not do that tho

[grizzled frost]

Sounds like a really poor financial decision

[median warren]

😭

yes, i wont do it

[bold kindle]

for someone with a shit PC i'd only reccomend 5070ti from nvidia this gen.

upgrading from 4080 super is crazy

[median warren]

i wont

[bold kindle]

the 5090 is also an oven, keep that in mind for summer

[median warren]

im planning on not upgrading for the next 5 years ish

[median warren]

yeah so is the 4080 super

[median warren]

do they only make £100 on it? they surely make more

like i wonder how much it costs them

[bold kindle]

and again, it's WAY more worth it upgrading monitors before buying any top end GPU, i actually said 4k was overrated just days ago, but now i really want it. now that all the other things are perfect 😄

[grizzled frost]

Oh they make far more

they'd make 100 pounds if they bought at consumer prices, which they don't

[median warren]

i wonder how much they get it for considering theyre partnered

[grizzled frost]

no idea

[median warren]

https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/custom/gaming/pages/star-wars-inspired-pc oh my god, look at this computer

they make custom pc requests omg

that is so fucking cool

look at this aio

[bold kindle]

they can sell it at a ''loss'', they make heaps of money from selling the parts. so you can expect some builders to sell prebuilts cheaper then its parts, it's a GIANT sale for them, 4k in one go instead of 500 here 1500 there.

[median warren]

surely they dont sell it a loss tho

[median warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zG9AmhhVcQ

the detail...

im sorry but no one in this server has a pc, that is cooler and more detailed than this

this is an insane build

[wispy thunder]

most people here are running 10 year old systems and don't have that kind of money

the other people have taste and would rather not have sharp edges on their pc waiting to slice a finger

[median warren]

yeah i mean, these are more art pieces than pcs tbh

[wispy thunder]

yeah exactly

[median warren]

i love that water pump

[wispy thunder]

and personally, I don't like how any of it looks.

[cosmic marsh]

its so goofy to the point that it looks like ai

[median warren]

just realised its not even an aio lmao

its a water pump and block

[cosmic marsh]

yup

[median warren]

it kinda does yeah, but its all star wars inspired

they probably spent like, if brand new when these components came out, lets say £3000-£3500 cause idk whats in it, on the actual pc parts

and like double that on the man hours and work to make it look like this

that is a custom chassis, pretty sure that shit is made from scratch

[cosmic marsh]

yeah

the attention to deatail is insane

[median warren]

yeaaah, must have spent 100s of hours making it

and you know, anyone can ask for a crazy pc like that, they do take custom pc requests and they display their custom pc builds like this

but the price is of course going to be through the roof, although clearly worth it, if youre into this type of stuff

@cosmic marsh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H13HBFeK00

[cosmic marsh]

woah

the water block is the lake

[median warren]

yeah

and the rusty pipes are the well, pipes/tubes

its so well done what the actual fuck

this one will get anyone excited

okay im gonna stop spamming these now but damn, how did they fit a 3090?

[cosmic marsh]

no more custom pcs?

[median warren]

they do still do it

[cosmic marsh]

link is broken

[median warren]

https://www.scan.co.uk/help/3xs/configuration/custom-shop

this works for me

you have to fill out the form, and someone will get in touch for a consultation

god damn, this is some serious stuff

[cosmic marsh]

fr

[median warren]

this one has to be my faveourite

[cosmic marsh]

they need to make a war thunder one

[median warren]

get in touch dude, if you have like £10-15k, they got u

[cosmic marsh]

10-15k🥀

[median warren]

im just guessing

but it is not cheap

[cosmic marsh]

as an unemployed person thats ask is MASSIVE

https://klipy.com/gifs/ninja-ninjaishyper

[median warren]

i wonder how much they charge though

because some of these pcs have their cases built from scratch or in this case a modified crt

so its a lot of labour

[cosmic marsh]

wouldnt be surpised if its over 10k

[median warren]

and you pay for the actual components themselves

[cosmic marsh]

ram takes 45% of the budget

[median warren]

😭 hopefully not for long

[cosmic marsh]

the prices started dropping finally

[median warren]

just 1 more year and we will be back to reasonable ram prices

[cosmic marsh]

yeah

and then i can actually get 16 gigs more

cuz greedy windows takes it all

[median warren]

grrrrr

[median warren]

how

also why does it say committed 54gb

i have 32gb of ram

[cosmic marsh]

page file im pretty sure

[median warren]

anyway, my current usage is sitting at 14gb

its not THAT bad

[cosmic marsh]

mine is at 12

compared to linux with like 1.5

i have no idea where windows needs more then half of it

[median warren]

stealing your ram to run gemini ai models

[cosmic marsh]

nah its training copilot for windows 12

[median warren]

i cant wait for windows 12 where copilot messages my friends on discord for me and plays my games for me

[true stirrup]

Ram is meant to be used
If your other programs need more then windows will free up that space

[cosmic marsh]

nah uh windows will happly got give anything to other programs and make my pc laggier and laggier

[snow mauve]

"guess what site <xyz> just visited! thought you should know!"

[dusty egret]

I'm at this medical facility for my grandma's heart appointment, sure let's just leave some of the network infrastructure out in the open. There is a locked network rack with open space still next to it so like wtf

[median warren]

i uninstalled copilot, thankfully

[cosmic marsh]

im still on 24h2 so im safe from copilot

[snow mauve]

lol wow

[wise estuary]

better than my last job, literal rats nest because you had 6 people making changes and the whole thing stopped working and just stayed a mess

[snow mauve]

a $200 rack would hide all that

[median warren]

im not sure what im on because i disabled windows updates LMAO

[cosmic marsh]

you can search for "winver" and it shows you

[dusty egret]

This is literally a foot next to it

[wise estuary]

but... for a hospital.... isnt that illegal to have your server infastructure and access in public spaces? thats a complete privacy violation.

[cosmic marsh]

depends on the country

[wise estuary]

i mean... being able to have direct access given potential, to anyones records is a pretty big hole in security

so any country in the first world

im just wondering why they would ever have the entire floor switch in a patient room, thats hilariously loose security.

[wise estuary]

reffering to this

its a hospital, they dont need that many, and theres a few dozen

[wise estuary]

id say potentially this is just visitor network, but thats far too robust for hotspot nodes and terrible network speed.

as is the norm

if this is anywhere in the us, thats definately bad practice.... trust based architecture, but that doesnt work in a hospital that needs what seems to be atleast 3 floors

[abstract wigeon]

moving from iphone 12 mini to pixel 9 pro XL is crazy i went from charging my phone 3/4x a day to zero

[stray portal]

Ive been on 25h2 no copilot anywhere

Its not even that bad just uninstall it

[wise estuary]

those pipes appear to be transmission lines that run between floors, for that ammount theres atleast 3, 2 if its wide not tall.

[dusty egret]

Yeah it's a 3 floor building, and not a small one either

[wise estuary]

anybody could do SERIOUS damage to the infrastucture with access to that.

and worse, but thats a hypothetical.

[median warren]

@cosmic marsh 24h2

[wise estuary]

physical damage primarily is the concern immidiately

[elfin solstice]

What would you guys pick 64gb of ddr4 or 32gb of ddr5

[median warren]

ddr5

[stray portal]

64gb of ddr4 its more useful

[cosmic marsh]

are you looking for mainly gaming?

[elfin solstice]

Only gaming i don’t use stuff like blender that’s why i’m getting a 9070xt

[cosmic marsh]

ddr5

[kindred halo]

Then 32GB DDR5

[wise estuary]

but yea youre right, thats not right at all.... thats a mid-center room thats supposed to be a network room, they turned into a patient room for convenience. i DONT think thats legally ok in the US. so your milage may vary, that would normally be a staff only locked carded room.

[cosmic marsh]

32 gigs is enough

[stray portal]

For gaming the ddr4 is better, more ram allows for more stuff and more intense game

[wise estuary]

its probably midcenter, that way longer runs dont need to be made for dumb reasons

[cosmic marsh]

bruh what?

[stray portal]

Ddr5 gains are not essential

Especially for gaming only

[cosmic marsh]

what about future proofing

[elfin solstice]

This is the specs i’m looking for

[stray portal]

Useless word

[south arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/future-squidward-spongebob-gif-4767609

[stray portal]

Why even buy a pc its gonna expire just be future proof and imagine your games

[wise estuary]

hes right being price concious about it.... but cpu concious and futureproofing is the otheer side.... more speed does NOT equal better gaming if its enough to exceed the demand games have to begin with speedwise. capacity over speed sometimees meets need.

but ddr4 is not an upgrade path anymore, the shortest lived modern dram generation.

ddr3 was forever

[stray portal]

Ddr4 based systems will still last for a big while

[wise estuary]

yes, but there will be no future cpus that work with it

or new ones for that matter

[elfin solstice]

This is my first ever pc so it’s not even an upgrade it’s full on new stuff

[wise estuary]

i got ddr4 at end of life and a 5800x for dirt cheap.... so thats a thing to consider.

[stray portal]

Yea but the best ddr4 cpus out there both amd and intel can still support the best stuff and will continue to do so perfectly fine

[long lynx]

@elfin solstice what did u get

[elfin solstice]

These are the specs i’m aiming for

[cosmic marsh]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TxKcqd

[north hill]

bit of pad seepage, but other than that, it looks great

[cosmic marsh]

i already had a simular list i just changed the cpu, you could use this

[wise estuary]

ironically just said that. then again currently its only a good idea if the price difference matches the future cost, and that means timely, not 10 years from now, but if its 2, the purchase is at a loss.

[elfin solstice]

This looks like a black version of the 1080ti

[north hill]

1 gen up

[long lynx]

thats a really solid and good build

will last for years

[wise estuary]

id say ddr4 if you want what you can get now for the next 3 years or so. ddr5 if you want an upgrade path for the next 6

[long lynx]

get 2 gb on the next m2 ssd and you will be fine when it has filled up

[wise estuary]

higher initial cost

[elfin solstice]

I’m looking for longevity

[wise estuary]

ddr5 if you plan on the next 6 years with that mobo and cpu combo

but want to upgrade

[stray portal]

My 5700x and 7800xt i expect to last 5+ years, especially that when i upgrade am5 will be obsolete

[wise estuary]

ofc, but im speaking in hypotheticals too, but im not being overly generous that things wont change.

i WOULD go for ddr4, but if you plan to change or upgrade in the near future dont.

[stray portal]

Yes exactly

Imo ddr5 only worth if upgrade very frequently

Rn atleast

[wise estuary]

my 5800x is an overkill beast for all games, but im not counting on other onboard technologies to NOT screw us over with upcoming user hurdles they keep adding, like secureboot, tpm, and now even more that effect games themselves.

so whos to say theres no dram check to make sure its authentic and not chinese spychips!

XD

i just dont trust it wont require new cpus to play new games as it has in the last big generational leap

[stray portal]

Personally id like to keep my system for a long while maybe even 10 years

So only upgrades id do are a gpu upgrade if games get too hungry

[wise estuary]

same, thats why im sad i dont use it enough when im so busy.... its nice, but i feel like ill be forced to rebuild to play new games when i finally have the time to do so.

[wise estuary]

absurd vr setup etc for such a system when i built it about 4 years ago, or rather this is my iterative system thats no longer the same ship as it was roughly 19 years ago.

not a single part, but its been changed over my entire life

different ship, same heart.... once you upgrade it past its original parts.

the case has changed too

[elfin solstice]

Sad

[stray portal]

Theseus paradox

[wise estuary]

nah that was trash, whats sad is i lost the original part in november, my samsung 840 pro ssd. lasted since 2012

[elfin solstice]

Do you guys think this will be the case?

[wise estuary]

and my even older wd black 2tb that cost an arm and a leg as a kid.... well that still works after passing over 100,000 tbs during its lifetime. but it cant work in my now gpt system natively, i have to use a hot-dock that i just keep active all the time. actually this is way better because i can use fullsize drives and ssds as usb sticks.... and also the m.2 to usb i got with one of my m.2s

[mellow sonnet]

that thermal limit aint doing shit, why is that?

[stray portal]

6090 will likely cost 19 billion dollars

High end gpus will likely cease to exist for the masses as budget gpus get better and ai stuff gets better

[wise estuary]

once cost of living and actually living rises too high, who actually imagines there wont be a total economic collapse, because i cant imagine it not happening and im just bracing for impact. cause honestly prices of tech have risen in direct correlation with everything else and its already a joke.

[elfin solstice]

Why are your components this warm 😭

[mellow sonnet]

who am i to know why it runs that hot

[elfin solstice]

Do you use liquid cooling or something

[wise estuary]

is it running at fullspeed, trying atleast? what even is the gpu

[wise estuary]

if its a 30 series or 40 series theres a speecific gpu issue that occoured for some useers awhile back that cause the temp limit to stay fixed, obliterating the performance.

[frosty gyro]

anyone own the thrustmaster t128

[south arrow]

The whatt?

[mellow sonnet]

so basically the 65 limit i set is just the default of 84 from factory?

[frosty gyro]

its a wheel lmao

[south arrow]

XD

[wise estuary]

i have the thrustmaster T150 wheel but idk about that

[frosty gyro]

does the software work for u?

[wise estuary]

if you need to know how to make a ps4 wheel work with ... yes

do you need a download for it? or whats going on, i use that in my racing sim

t150, same software tho

[frosty gyro]

i have the download, but it just doesnt open

[mellow sonnet]

what does this even mean in afterburner

[wise estuary]

do not set a 65 limit ever.... they are designed to work against that. keep it stock. they want to boost.

you can do more complex things to lock in, but dont mess with that

unless you know, but its not practical use.

[mellow sonnet]

but i want that shit to not have a hotspot of over 100

[wise estuary]

hotspot is the keyword.

the node might be off if its reaching more than double temp.

or it might be a reading that looks bad to the average user.

[mellow sonnet]

near 110c hotspot does not feel healthy

[stray portal]

I think thats fine for the hot spot tho

[wise estuary]

no thermal limit exists if the operating temperature of said point exceeds indefinately, it becomes null at best, functionally crippling at worst.

you reecieved null atleast

[mellow sonnet]

the thing is the power doesnt back off at all with that temp limit

it should at least limit the wattage

[wise estuary]

dont over-achieve temp limits your cooling system is incapable of.

[mellow sonnet]

dude its a stock card

the hell are you on

[wise estuary]

thats what i mean, hes messing with things he knows nothing about.

[stray portal]

What gpu do you have

[wise estuary]

no he was trying to fix temp limits he said

[stray portal]

My 7800xt doesnt go past 75 when i game even in most demanding stuff (i rarely play demsnding stuff but yk)

[fickle ivy]

I have tried like 30 different tutorials for the past 14 hours and every single last one has failed on the final step

[mellow sonnet]

just tell me a solution to ts

jesus

[wise estuary]

dont do that to a stock card yes if thats what you mean, cards arent static, they can be dynamic and boost at stock, if you mess with limits without fixing and overclocking, or doing a base usually failed overclock..... youre seeing numbers that mean nothing

[mellow sonnet]

what the fuck are you talking about

[wise estuary]

solution, dont touch temp limits without locking the boost rate.

[mellow sonnet]

bro i have done absolutely nothing to boost or other shenanigans

[wise estuary]

boost rate means the card can fluctuate its performance, meaning temp limits are crippling rather than helpful, anything shy of 90c or at 90c, bad, is still functional, test the limits so you can get the most performance, or underclock if you want cool and quiet.

[mellow sonnet]

im literally asking about the temp limit and why isnt it limiting the fucking thermals

[fickle ivy]

Why does this shit have to be so complicated everyone makes it look so easy and I've tried a million different things but I can't make anything work

[rigid fjord]

because you don't want to learn, and want to bitch about it

[wise estuary]

sorry, then it might be a driver issue, test it with driver 566.36, easy to download rollback, and then update if it doeesnt change anything, thats the last known solid driver. it wont hurt your system, i did it yesterday to test vram differences between new and old known best.

theres issues with newer nvidia drivers causing fixed thermals and or other issues similar

[mellow sonnet]

nothing has been changed, i only lowered the temp limit

yet that temp limit looks like a suggestion rather than a limit

[fickle ivy]

So the 30 different tutorials isn't learning

[wise estuary]

its a suggestion to the system, but what is the exact problem when it comes to performance?

im assuming there is one if theres a problem

[rigid fjord]

if you're whining about it and not reading more, yes

[mellow sonnet]

the problem as you probably failed to read is the insanely high hotspot

[wise estuary]

setting a temp limit wont magically make heat dissapear thats the problem, and if your room temp is room temp.... your pc will be higher inevitably forever and always and that fixed reading might actually cause thermal runaway if nvidia hadnt made it safe to ignore.

110 isnt insanely high for a hotspot.

a laptop can run at 95 and work fine, and a hotspot is usually a reading from a node.

[mellow sonnet]

a temp limit could limit the wattage thus reducing the heat output

[wise estuary]

a node isnt 100% accurate, it may measure the heat on the EXTERIOR not the interior, aka the heatsink temp not the component, whatever hotspot means depends on the gpu and manufacturer

[mellow sonnet]

so if the gpu temperature reads 90 its fine?

[wise estuary]

you looked too hard at stats and got worried man, youre not having problems

[bold kindle]

the old king and the new king

[mellow sonnet]

the fans ramp up quite fast and loud when the gpu is already warmed up and a sudden load is pushed

[wise estuary]

its not fine, in a desktop thats a crappy gpu that needs the thermal paste or fan replaced.... on a laptop thats just a cheap gaming laptop

[bold kindle]

why can't Asus just have their product models there, instead of that lawyer jargon 😄

[mellow sonnet]

that gpu is like 2 years old at this point i dont think it needs new paste

[wise estuary]

but have you experienced any actual performative issues.

[mellow sonnet]

no it runs at full performance at all time

[wise estuary]

technochondria man. dont look at statistics you dont know much about, i assumed you had an actual performance issue related.

[mellow sonnet]

runs beautifully, just the cooling is kind of shit

[wise estuary]

thats fine if its running fine, but your temps aside from "hotspot" keyword, are immaculate.

[mellow sonnet]

no dude im literally asking about a suspiciously high hotspot and a thermal limit that doesnt work

[wet ember]

My 2K PC cannot handle a game update and navigating a game menu simultaneously

Absolutely pathetic this thing. Other than that it rips

[wise estuary]

the limit is a suggestion, as you cannot possibly cool a device in any way MORE than room temp allows. 65 would mean its colder than your room in almost every situation. and hotspots are surface temps usually. so the surface of the heatsink that gets smoldering

[bold kindle]

don't GPU fans run out of life long before the paste

[wet ember]

I've heard quantum computers use liquid nitrogen to cool

[wise estuary]

no the opposite.

[mellow sonnet]

the paste dries faster than fans

[wise estuary]

if only, but also not.... can you imagine the shielding tech we would have to buy for millions of dollars.

[mellow sonnet]

fans will run essentially forever, especially ball bearing ones

speaking of ball bearings i should probably oil up mine

no idea if i should

[wise estuary]

quantum computers in my opinion are completely insane, and new breakthroughs are actually scary. its fascinating to see something even the engineers dont fully understand working.

mad science

[bold kindle]

i hear about gpu fans going bad, but i've never thought gpu repasting was expected

[wise estuary]

those things are like frankensteins monster

[bold kindle]

is it just about keeping it cooler, or preventing throttling, because my 5080 is at 50c when it's maxed, so i can't imagine a repaste will ever be needed to avoid throttles.

[wise estuary]

its not, nor is fan replacement.... newer cards use alot more robust heatsinks. they last their lifetime often enough. older ones tho, youd have plenty of cheap coolers from places like oh god whats that arctic cooler that was pretty universal over a decade ago.

it used to be normal to have to after a few years, the fans would bind. the 10 series was really what changed the 3 year gpu cycle to like 10.

[valid fiber]

unless the temps gget critical i won't even consider repasting my GPU

[wise estuary]

again prices have drastically increased. but so has longevity. or rather it did, were hitting a cold spot rn with tech following the apple trend again.

[wise estuary]

critical yea, i get what you mean, if i lose 10 degrees but no performance, my biggest enemy is vram still. beyond that yea.

its a founders 3070 ti i got for 300 a few months after it came out, i made it out like a bandit

brand new, looks like it was tested, but no peelies were removed, and no dust was present, and it smelled like plastic. only issue was a slightly bent power pin that i straightened out to plug it in. took 2 seconds and a look or two at it.

[valid fiber]

watecooled 3090

got it used for about 750€ in 2023

[wise estuary]

the biggest irony is the problem wasnt even on the card, it was on the included power adapter lol

so i just got majority off because of a faulty adapter.

[wise estuary]

damn, you got a completely insane deal then

[serene python]

overpaid

fml

[wise estuary]

but 300 for a 3070 ti because of a bent adapter pin is also an insane deal, founders too. nicest looking, maybe not the niceest to repair tho, luckily i didnt need to and it was "working" but not over a certain... oh probably because a quarter of the voltage was missing.

[valid fiber]

was the regular used price for it at the time

and the extrernal radiator is up for the task

[wise estuary]

clock this thing out as much as i can, but honestly it stays cool, the limit isnt really the graphics, its more the 8 gigs.... honestly id never pay full or close to full price for thata even then... because of that, so. yea i guess i can barely use the performance headroom because of the vram lack.

thats a pretty crazy rad setup for a gpu. but its a 3090, so thats not even 1 amped 3070 like mine, its 2 amped 3080s.

[valid fiber]

i got the radiator and the case in 2010 i think

was way overkill at the time but now it's starting to make actually sense

[wise estuary]

i really support the adaptible vram movement, if we can actually make modules that are up to the task..... because if i cant utilize my horsepower because my tank is too small.... thats the same as if i had that issue with my cpu, imagine a 5800x with 16 gigs, but you cant ever get more if you dont replace the 5800x but you cant utilize it fully without.

[valid fiber]

it would be great if we could upgrade vram just like ram

[odd marsh]

that's not gonna happen

[wise estuary]

thats like letting you into a park without ride tickets yk.... you cant buy any unless you leave and buy a ticket for the park that lets you buy ride tickets. a temu scam.

[valid fiber]

i know...

[wise estuary]

it probably will in the next decade or so.... the issue is becoming extremely relevant to server farms. and you know who actually runs the demand.

[odd marsh]

signal integrity will most likely not let it happen

[wise estuary]

ecc memory is a thing for ram, so why not vram

the technology is mostly all the same

[odd marsh]

that is a thing already

4090 has it too iirc

[wise estuary]

signal integrity tho? if its onboard on the gpu as a ram slot as it has been for the weird conversion slot we got in a way.... it would be like laptop dimms

[deep musk]

Yep

[valid fiber]

whats the advantage of ECC?

[wise estuary]

no i know that, i mean actually a norm

[odd marsh]

VRAM runs at an order of magnitude faster then current RAM

[wise estuary]

for server farms as i mentioned, its resistant to errors that cause data corruption, on a stack that can cause issues despite your best effort.

[wise estuary]

yes, my point is not that its the same, but the technology is, and it will likely be integrated if vram targets are a huge financial weight on the card developers. much the same, in function. not in complexity. but. why is that out of the question?

[valid fiber]

is there a relevant power penalty?

[wise estuary]

signal integrity only affects things when its passed from ram to cpu, but if the chips are slotted and compact directly in line with the gpu this isnt an issue if theres no intermediary interference.

as part of it, the slots, as they are, but not for m.2. itd be somethingg like a VDIMM

drastically faster and smaller, but also an upgrade path not part of the initial buy

[odd marsh]

with a connector they have to go through additional contacts then different traces and so on, with higher frequencys it's important to keep traces and contacts as low as possible

[wise estuary]

its an idea, not a concept.... but also id assume based on demands and testing waters, this kind of approach, this is a hypothetical, not even a theory.

[odd marsh]

look at the 980 ti compared to 5090, they're already making the vram be as close to the chip as possible

[wise estuary]

but theres no way diminishing stats like 8 gigs for a card that can run 4k with ease, and the current cards even slightly better aree good enough for some users. and price points are highly outpricing even farms on individual cost.

and you cant upgrade vram, so its priced out for even operating businesses that had to shut down due to the shortagee

see what i mean

oppertunity missed for chip manufacturers and developers in the company alike

[wise estuary]

not my point, add some onboard like 8g and brach that off other optional connections to slots for "vdimm".....

i made that up, its just what makes sense.

i pay nvidia once for a card and thats it, or not even them, ive never actually paid them directly. so why cant they even try to get me to spend more on it? i actually dont want that at all usually.... but when they wont even offer you the option to get more out of what you bought thats bad too.

[snow mauve]

i've seen a few videos of guys doubling their 24gb cards to 48gb with minimal work

probably a warranty voider though 😄

[wise estuary]

modularity cant be crushed, or we wont even be able to afford a pc, if phone prices are anything to go off.

[normal tusk]

whats the subject, socketable gpu vram?

[gentle kestrel]

how is swapping every memory chip minimal work

[snow mauve]

well, i guess that's relative word heh

[odd marsh]

bga soldering is no big deal

[wise estuary]

yes, because obviously its crushing server farm costs, and genuine business as much as consumers lol

[gentle kestrel]

vdimm is a ram voltage and signal integrity is required for vram to function

[snow mauve]

minimal in regards to risk/reward

[odd marsh]

I think so

[wise estuary]

doesnt it make sense, i have ram for my cpu, why wouldnt i have vram for my video card.

[snow mauve]

i know this, SOMETHING needs to change. so that consumers don't get shut out

[odd marsh]

except one runs in MHz and the other in GHz

[normal tusk]

dont think any demand exists for socketable gpu vram, doesnt make sense for enterprise customers and the signal integrity problem is probably too difficult to solve with no financial incentive

[wise estuary]

its simply the way its inaccessible to consumers, you cant make a good gpu work to its full potential, because they limited it to a roughtly 40% effective rate by not adding enough vram, thats like a disposable vape, but shrinkflated with 40% fluid and you cant see it....

[wise estuary]

1000mhz is 1ghz

[gentle kestrel]

you could possibly bolt a few cudimms on but why add $50 bom per unit

[normal tusk]

i thought all vapes were disposable ive been putting them in my garbage disposal for years

[gleaming rose]

its not easy, maybe it wouldn't even take an hour but you have to be careful of surrounding components, and you can't forget to reball (if you need to)

[rigid fjord]

the demand for it was in the late 80's to mid 90's after that it became obsolete

[odd marsh]

actually you are right and valid here

[wise estuary]

can you not offboard gddr? i mean they are chips, my question is the temps and heatsink technology, not the ability to make a chip thats actually smaller than a dram chip fit.

[odd marsh]

i fucked up

[rigid fjord]

you can but then you create issues further down the line

[normal tusk]

look at the PCB of a graphics card and tell me where the VRAM is

you will see a common theme

[gentle kestrel]

not without destroying signal integrity no

[keen stratus]

I got a 4th gen i5 and a rx5600xt for some reason when I play sea of theives and like play for a little while My pc crashes and it shows a whea uncorrectable error but now it doesn't crash but monitor starts showing no display error on the screen and there's no audio
Reliability history shows a processor cache error or something like that
This doesn't happen on any other game

[rigid fjord]

one of the issue you create

[normal tusk]

im guessing latency is probably the biggest issue

[wise estuary]

the demand in the public market, im taking enterprise, enthusiast, and creator and generally just enjoying technology. gpus usually exceeded their vram needs in the past, now theey do the exact opposite, i feel let down by my gpu performing at a fraction due to some dumb problem.... the key is unoptimized games, but the other key is companies dont care.

[normal tusk]

enterprise has no demand for this, they will not open up every single graphics card in a datacenter to add more VRAM

and more points of failure etc

[rigid fjord]

dude, there is no demand for this in modern day systems

[normal tusk]

and enthusiasts/creators/gamers makes up for about 5 dollars of profit per year

[gentle kestrel]

what gpu do you have that you think it's being held back soley by the framebuffer size

[wise estuary]

so modularity in the seerver space, where something like "vdimms" would make sense... its absolutely needed, this technological depression financially has ruined alot of actually good companies have to file due to failures.

[normal tusk]

server space does not like modularity

all systems exactly the same and they are perfectly ]happy

[rigid fjord]

when the vram was sockatable and upgradable in the 90's

[wise estuary]

ummm, servers function on their ability to be modular based on raid arrays and modularity as its very basis. what do you mean?

[keen stratus]

any1?

[normal tusk]

even if you COULD convince people to buy a worse product that you have to buy parts for separately (at an upcharge because it requires more manufacturing), the 50 dollars that nvidia would make off of it wouldnt matter to them

[rigid fjord]

and one from the 80's

[gentle kestrel]

that did not answer the question at all lmfao

which video card do you have that is held back by the framebuffer size and not the performance of the card

[bold kindle]

i just got my Asus WOLED, guess what, NO BRICK, AND the stand has an all metal foot, 2 nice surprises. Once again asus proves themselves superior.

[gentle kestrel]

if you're an enterprise buying rtx 6000 pros there isn't a scenario that the card ooms and won't too slow to process data

[normal tusk]

consider this. how would one make a GPU with socketable VRAM AND onboard VRAM so the GPU isn't a non-functional brick OOB

[ocean axle]

mach32 launched in 92

oop, wrong reply

[ocean axle]

mach32 launched in 92

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Mach#Mach_32

[rigid fjord]

my bad then, just that isa being that old, shows itself tbh

[wise estuary]

ive had a 4090 awhile ago, i was working on it, still not enough for some things it claimed. but my 3070 ti, and my 12 gig still arent enough to utilize my full clockspeed at all... its bottlenecking itself in alot of things. and so did this card, and so it did for alot of vram reliant processes. so id imagine modularity as it benefits the rest of the pc market, if the gpu manufacturers wont give us the vram we want nomatter what we pay, why cant they just let is get it from another source by letting us install it. theey wont sell it to us.

12 on my 3060, thats limited and runs better in some games, its actually awful that it does

[normal tusk]

aw shucks, your 12GB 3070Ti isn't enough to fully utilize your Clockspeed™?

[wise estuary]

no man its 8 on this

[gentle kestrel]

oh shit not the clock speed

[keen stratus]

anyone..?

[wise estuary]

fuck... 12 on the 3060

[ocean axle]

would need to be a Wonder card, like this one (88)

[wise estuary]

yea... no im getting 30% in some games.. its fked

[normal tusk]

aw yeah you definitely must need more vram so you can fully utilize your Clockspeed™

[rigid fjord]

or ones that also used edoram as the vram/cache

[gentle kestrel]

im assuming you don't know what bus width is either

[wise estuary]

it really goes to show they sell you a gpu with NOT EVEN CLOSE TO EENOUGH ram to actually see it shine, and you cant even fix that.

[normal tusk]

8 feet

[wise estuary]

that upsets me, i feel slighted by that XD

not you pepe

[gentle kestrel]

the valid configs for the 3070ti are 2,3,4,6,8,12,16,18 and that's assuming brand new ones are made with 3gb modules

so at launch it was really just 8 or 16 in clamshell and 6 years ago 16gb wasn't required

you can't just slap 12gb onto it with 2gb modules

[wise estuary]

yea its a joke..... seen 50 series, i cant even justify.

[gentle kestrel]

i mean if you had a 4090 you wouldn't need to upgrade anyway

[normal tusk]

i dont know... 4090 Clockspeed™ might not be enough to fully utilize its VRAM

[wise estuary]

i get that, restructuring of how the memory channels work to add more, they could, but why would they allow that to pass? gigabyte gets away with trying with nvme.... but thats about it.

[odd marsh]

what do you mean by nvme

are you talking about those 5060s with an nvme slot?

[wise estuary]

its a massivee budget cut, but also they could sell propriotary authorization to do so based on their patent.

well yea, i saw some more that probably never came out. prototypes and some tech demo things.

[gentle kestrel]

the 5060s with nvmes on board aren't for vram

the 5060 only needs pcie x8 so they let you bifurcate the slot to use an nvme in the same slot

[odd marsh]

those are for extra nvme storage due to the 5060 only being PCIe 5.0x8

[wise estuary]

can you really say its so insane to imagine plugging things in rather than soldering, and having a range rather than a fixed chip.

[gentle kestrel]

yes because thats not how chip design works

it has a fixed bus size

[wise estuary]

these are some of the best engineers in the world that have been rejected by their own company for ideas thousands of times

[rigid fjord]

til you see an older amd gpu doing that already and using it not for extra storage

[wise estuary]

i dont see it as realistic for the next 10 years atleast, so technically its not realistic to me either.. but can you really say its not a great idea....

[gentle kestrel]

i would like my video memory to run at vram speeds so yeah keep soldering them on

laptops are already being held back by sodimm

[wise estuary]

and also, its pretty sound, direct to direct, you do know vram is seperate from the chip, so in the same range and same chip and adequite infrastructure would actually be a logistical rather than technical challenge

[rigid fjord]

found it, old gpu that used ram as the cache

[wise estuary]

ram literally is the cache

thats what ram means

[rigid fjord]

@ocean axle ever seen one of these?

[gentle kestrel]

now make this run fortnite

[ivory mountain]

dedotated wam

[ocean axle]

I think I own something similar

[rigid fjord]

this one used edoram as the cache, alonside what was already on the board

[wise estuary]

did you know cpus had everything onboard too?

[ocean axle]

I have a pcxt, and it's got some GPU like that in it

[wise estuary]

the old intel cpus were some wild cards

[rigid fjord]

something like the old creative labs card that did similar also?

[terse pewter]

just found out this chat lost 2 horrifically annoying individuals

life is good

[ocean axle]

Unsure for sound

It's been a while since I opened that thing

[wise estuary]

do you not no agp or pci original?

[gentle kestrel]

the closer the memory is to the chip the better

[wise estuary]

duh..... so what would it mean if instead of on the board, its on the board with a clip instead of solder?

[rigid fjord]

isa is the OG

[wise estuary]

i mean yes, but your idea that concepts irreguardless of context must remain constant

[rigid fjord]

something like this

[wise estuary]

its just abit brick wall.... i cant even propose the idea that you COULD theoretically place a chip base directly next to a gpu chip and create an upgrade space.

[ocean axle]

Don't think it's got anything like that

[wise estuary]

directly in the same line, perhaps less than a mm above.

[ocean axle]

You can do that for the entire die, it's just too damn expensive

[gentle kestrel]

who do you think is developing a memory retention system with 0 signal loss

[rigid fjord]

because you increase signal length by having the vram socketable/slotable and with that also increase latency which you don't want on a gpu

[gentle kestrel]

where do you think it's going too

this is a rtx pro 6000

[wise estuary]

whats the context on cost tho, you still havent explained why having a plastic base with clips and a few mm long leads from the board cost too much... ASIDE from research and development, thats an upfront cost to any endeavour.

[ocean axle]

It's a lot more than that, it's used by engineering test boards (and RMA test boards)

[wise estuary]

and the benefit is more customers and more future customers buying upgrades, i dont usually suppor the apple idea, but if i had options man.

[ocean axle]

Things where the chip in question is swapped out constantly

[steel umbra]

so many ceramic caps

[wise estuary]

what is used exactly?

maybe im out of that loop

[ocean axle]

Fancy retention mechanisms, that are quite large

[wise estuary]

its quite insane ive seen, but what would you compare manufacturing an interface vs manufacturing a chip in cost, vs the potential for an underwhelmed customer to choose upgrade paths that may cost nearly as much but not seem as costly at the time.... im not speaking as a consumer im speaking as someone who would either spend none or upgrade if its feasible.

[steel umbra]

when you have a monopoly people will buy anyways even with the issues

[wise estuary]

tiny leads are stupid expensive..... ugh, yea we need different methods.

wheres the god damn copper spiders

[ocean axle]

That assumes an in-placd upgrade makes sense. Many don't even for existing socketable things (CPU, memory, GPU even)

[grizzled frost]

no one, because it’s flat out not possible

[wise estuary]

many consumers, i do, but at the same time 90+% dont.... but when it comes to business i think thats where we have our hope... they demand slottable stuff.

[grizzled frost]

connectors inherently have losses

[steel umbra]

socketable things take more space than bga

which leaves less space for actual cooling or other things

[grizzled frost]

connectors also have loss, so you have to run at higher voltages and/or lower clockspeeds

[wise estuary]

but connectors only used a few times are adaptable.... losses are negligable in that context, unless its plug and play at hands reach.

[grizzled frost]

at the speeds we’re talking about it is far from negligible

[wise estuary]

i got a small hdd dock smaller than the hdd in it, and i use it as my secondary, it USED to be my internal secondary, but it works no different, only difference is its on a gpt system not an mbr, so i cant use it natively, and i can also tear it out and plug in any hard drive or ssd with instant access, and an m.2 adapter that works great.

[steel umbra]

also with socketable things you get user errors

which can potentially increase or at least shift the amount of resources you need to put into rma

[wise estuary]

you can, but socketable doesnt mean what i just said right before you posted that, it means permanent, but not burned onboard. if the firmware supports socketable ram and can confirm or reject it at its own will based on specs and voltages, its totally fine.. itll work or not.

socketable vs hotswap

[grizzled frost]

It’ll perform worse than soldered ram for something basically no one will actually use

[wise estuary]

why is that if the difference is source.

[steel umbra]

in manufacturing context shifting resources can be expensive by itself

[wise estuary]

yes thats the real reason.

but also, the real profit if it means giving more options to those that suffer from shortages of not processing power, but ways to keep it all in once place.

its not impossible to create a low latency solution just like dram, with vram, despite it being faster the costs being higher, the research and development just has never been attempted.

[swift moss]

CaptureScreen is absolutely wild

[wise estuary]

sorry guys, i just like to see what could be, when were all suffering, i know its possible, and the hurdles are feasibly possible, but 100% unlikely due to how profit works. the immidiate is the conclusion, there is no question. so dont ask.

but i like to anyways

[left dove]

realtek you have no business having 32-bit audio depth when humans cant tell the difference even from 16 to 24

holy shit

[steel umbra]

it has been attempted and deemed unworthy, bga is so mass produced as of gpus switching to sockets is not economic, research goes into different things

[left dove]

every time I see that list i just kek

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man2-spider-man-j-jonah-jameson-tobey-maguire-peter-parker-gif-26416399

[iron glen]

Did you tell the difference?

[left dove]

from 24 to 32? lmao no

[iron glen]

Awh :(

[left dove]

I have no 32 bit audio

i dont know a single person that does

[iron glen]

That one disabled guy with a neuralink will in a few updates

[left dove]

LMAO

[wise estuary]

the difference is ironically in 16 bit depth of low and high frequency is abit muddy, 44hz is the real spot for hifi.

[left dove]

this one quadripalegic dude got a brain implant to communicate with pcs and as a side effect it restored sensation in his fingers

[wise estuary]

i listen to alot of music with alot of speakers, they actually dont sound different much at all depending on quality. so its all bs aside from subtle high or low tones

bitrate? bit what when it comes to something that could be transmitted by a crack addicted telegraphist

[steel umbra]

bigger number is better tho always

[deep musk]

Tbh that’s not a side effect, that’s a plus

[steel umbra]

i can tell a difference

[iron glen]

I like to think it was less the neuralink and more they just poked the right spot by accident

[steel umbra]

32 is 8 larger than 24

see, it’s not that hard

[left dove]

no it wasn't a neuralink

[iron glen]

"its just better you wouldn't understand"

[left dove]

and yeah, obviously that, but still a cool coincidence

[iron glen]

Oh :/

[wise estuary]

i just think, dont imagine things as youre told, but as you think they are as you see.... if it dont seem right..... why do you agree?

[wise estuary]

in response to this

[modest flame]

oh hell yeah my new 5080 arrives tomorrow

[iron glen]

Poetic

[wise estuary]

literally came off the top of my head

honestly sometimes i think its funny here XD

[steel umbra]

have good time with it

[wise estuary]

you could just say nothing mcsnark

[steel umbra]

pro tip: if you’re buying something from amazon check those stores/marketplaces that buy off amazon returned items

you can get the same item as you’re looking unboxed for 95% off

webcams for 20$ 1$

microphones, usb hubs, etc.

[wise estuary]

thats true, ive been able to get things for less than 20 dollars that cost more than 1000 a few times doing this... but the effort is abit rought.

[steel umbra]

some marketplaces are as straightforward as ordering regularly

if you want to minimize the risk of receiving a broken item you can buy 2

if one arrives broken you ask for a refund

[wise estuary]

for 2 dollars a piece i got 10 180 dollar air fryers and gave them to family and friends and kept 1.... its basically a nuclear toaster.

i love it XD

on amazon those exact ones costed 180 a piece

i got them for 2 a piece

[steel umbra]

yeah i mean they would otherwise shred them or end up in landfills

[wise estuary]

shit fire yes...... but was it better than a cheap black n decker toaster? 10x... for 200% less.

[steel umbra]

or get torn apart for gold and copper

[wise estuary]

convection toaster enough to fit a wholee ass turkey and then a pie.

in a stack so it was tall not wide

[steel umbra]

i bought 20 various microphones €1.5 per piece, original price was €18-35

one arrived broken i fixed it

[wise estuary]

cost me 0 dollars because i played wish back then, and i got thousands of dollars of actual merchandise by doing it. just ignoring offers and confining myself to concession rewards by pressing 1 botton in the morning.

i spent a total of 20 dollars on really dumb shit that i actually liked, it was funny.

[steel umbra]

i can save money of gifts by doing so

no need to buy things at full retail price

[wise estuary]

i also spend 0 dollars using credit to get a galaxy watch 4 for completely free

temu is abit more of a temid game tho

thats poker 2.0 XD i love it, but i wont play until i can abuse it.

tested it, not worth it

[steel umbra]

most of the is a tonor brand, which at least used to be a decent budget brand for sub $25 mics back in 2024 maybe 25

[wise estuary]

i love wish and temu, because they arent games to play as a desperate consumer, but the opposite.... its actually fun because its so sketchy.

[steel umbra]

wouldn’t install temu app on my phone ever

i would probably not even visit their site

[wise estuary]

wish was worse, but it made it way too eeasy to spend 10 get 1000 dollars

actually by just playing the system

temu is legit, probably wish rebranded.

[steel umbra]

as they quite literally have elite programmers to exploit vulnerabilities in browsers and oses

[wise estuary]

i know because i played, this is wish 2.0

[steel umbra]

from pinduoduo

[steel umbra]

pinduoduo isn’t legit.

[wise estuary]

i won, and i cant play this i dont think... its a joblot system, but instead of junk prize to one win.... you get 200+ dollar chances.

[steel umbra]

which is the parent of temu

pinduoduo was caught having spyware

[wise estuary]

wish is either the parent, or the good child

temu is clearly the afterthought

[steel umbra]

wish and temu have even more fake discounts than alibaba/aliexpress

[wise estuary]

those are rarely fake

[steel umbra]

wouldn’t really think you’re getting more than 20% worth of actual discounts

[wise estuary]

i love how fun temu is tho, but it gets boring quickly, because they will offer you anything like oceanstate joblot any time of any day.

[steel umbra]

if a company sells you things at no profit then you’re the product

or it doesn’t sell you things at no profit

[wise estuary]

if i chose to buy a really shit but more functional ev bike... i can get it for 200 on temu, then get 200 more and buy another one, a 2 for 1 deal. and i read the contract, if they do NOT give me that without spending 200 again to get 200 not nott spend on 200 as i read it specifies i get 200 credit that is non-transferable but static currency, would mean they actually might ban me and cause a huge chargeback getting me 2 bikes and them nothing.

its not good, its a bike that moves and its stainless steel... but thats about it..... for 200 thats ok it goes 25mph

[steel umbra]

for 200 you won’t get a good ev bike unless you really look for deals

there are going to be cuts made somewhere

[wise estuary]

scooter thata moves

honestly i have no expectations aside from 10mph and w/e else

[steel umbra]

i’ve compared temu and aliexpress prices in the past and on average aliexpress was cheaper for most electronics

[wise estuary]

but to have to hide that for 200 dollars is pretty bs

[steel umbra]

when you want a usable thing

[wise estuary]

can you find a 200 dollar ebike that exists that isnt a toy meant to be handled carefully?

[steel umbra]

thermal cameras, usb things, peripherals, lenses, connectors, tools, adapters, pastes

cheaper on aliexpress

[steel umbra]

they’re on aliexpress for sure

[fringe prairie]

hm i thought it was

[steel umbra]

but just like your bike, it could spontaneously combust because the manufacturer decided to cheap out on protections

[steel umbra]

a company that wants spyware on your device… i don’t want to ever deal with such entity

[fringe prairie]

that’s like… half of big tech lol

[steel umbra]

they have a team of exploiters, allegedly they moved them to developing temu after pinduoduo was found out to have malware

[south arrow]

Walmart 65inch isnt sub 300$ for nothing lol

[steel umbra]

diskord

although the pinduoduo malware was really invasive

even reading outside the app itself

like if a us company did that, they’d be fined massively

maybe even taken down

it’s different when an app spies within the app which is stated in the ToS or not and when the app spies outside the app for your photos and messages

[empty quartz]

@steel umbra want a 4 minute and 50 second video that takes up 64gb

[steel umbra]

is it 12bit 32k without compression

[empty quartz]

No

[steel umbra]

noob

[odd sparrow]

Chat which phone do i get? I want a good battery, stability, optimised os, sth that will last me for 3-4 years easily. I dont want it to be big, budget is around 800€

[grizzled frost]

iphone 17

[odd sparrow]

How much better is it than android phones approximately

[fringe prairie]

in terms of what

and what are you comparing it to

[frigid blade]

Why does Apple name videos IMG_XXX

[odd sparrow]

Just reliability and battery mostly

[frigid blade]

I noticed that on my phone

[odd sparrow]

Pixel 10 pro

[fringe prairie]

oh easily iphone

[odd sparrow]

Hm i thought it was kinda tighter competition

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/xylibanned-trapped-in-jar-trapped-halp-gif-6991355193835834107

[steel umbra]

it is, just google pixels arenkt very competitive hardware-wise anymore

if you want a little cleaner android oneplus is still somewhat ok

[fringe prairie]

massive phones tho

[frigid blade]

I love my 17pm it’s so big

My old 12 mini is so tiny next to it

[steel umbra]

if you want cheap hardware then asian brands are good

but their android tend to be somewhat bloated compared

and personally samsung is a pass

unless you can get them for cheaper than asian brands hardware-wise or you prefer samsung’s os

[craggy cove]

the 15t is 6.3"

[steel umbra]

oneplus also has ace 5 racing with a whopping 9400e for 300

but rest of the phone is sort of… like a $150 phone

[craggy cove]

i mean id buy a poco x8 pro max atp

[steel umbra]

but you still get an imx882 sensor

[steel umbra]

disappointed there was no poco f8

couldn’t they find any redmi equivalent to sell as f8?

f8 pro and ultra are pricey

[craggy cove]

x8 pro max probably was that

but i guess the cameras were too bad for them???

or is it because its mediatek

and the battery beats the f8 pro and ultra

si c batteries in phones doubling battery life

nova lake doing crazy stuff (hopefully)

half a year ago i thought technology just kinda peaked and zen5% style upgrades are the future

[steel umbra]

probably

[craggy cove]

there are no snapdragon f series phones to my knowledge so its probably that

reverse of what i just said actually

its a bit late

this with some coupons is just unbeatable

no big aliexpress rn sadly

not that i would buy this, my current one is good enough, only the battery sucks

when i wake up my 7700 xt will have arrived

[steel umbra]

yeah it has that imx882-alike sensor, which makes me wonder why it isn’t just f8 instead of x8 pro max

[frail sequoia]

this is peak

[steel umbra]

also i’d like to see something lil better than the imx882

[craggy cove]

how will they sell the ultra tho

its a bit stupid tho

i think poco is making too many phones

[steel umbra]

imx882 was nice like 2 years ago

it has been in poco phones for too long imo

like fine if it’s still in the X series

[craggy cove]

so they have a good deal signed on it

why does this have the same battery as the ultra

also just realized theres no x8 aside from the f8

so just an advanced way of raising prices i guess?

though the x non pro always sucked imo

the pro was always so much better for not a lot more money

same applies with the pro to the pro max now so ??? idk

[steel umbra]

true but i’d appreciate a better sensor, i wouldn’t want to upgrade from an f6 to x8 pro max

only to get the same mid 2024 picture quality

[craggy cove]

i mean

im certainly not buying a poco for the cameras

[steel umbra]

the f6 had good cams at the time

[craggy cove]

set my realtek thingy from speakers to headphones and theyre randomly not quiet anymore wow

[steel umbra]

it made all A series look lame

even the S24

but it’s 2026 now

[craggy cove]

ig i just dont use my camera enough but

poco is kinda the "beggars cant be choosers" phone

if they put a better camera theyll use it as an excuse to raise the price again

[steel umbra]

i wish they would just remove all the secondary junk cameras and put one great primary

[craggy cove]

you will enjoy ze macro cameras

[steel umbra]

but it has to loook like an iphone so nooo way!!

[craggy cove]

higher end poco is just iphone

lower end tries to shame you in to buying a better phone

[steel umbra]

i just use primary for everything on my f6

i rarely need ultrawide

if i want a macro shot i zoom

[craggy cove]

🔥

[steel umbra]

but after 3x digital zoom it looks all grainy and just bad

[craggy cove]

telephoto cameras are made of gold idk

ultrawide is also so random

main camera + bunch of telephotos no more ty

[steel umbra]

1 barely usable camera and 3 junks that’ll take shots like they’re a $20 webcam

[craggy cove]

ANYTHING but a telephoto

[steel umbra]

2mp macro

[craggy cove]

straight up gave up with the 4th one

[steel umbra]

might as well actually take a webcam from junkyard and stick a lens to it

[craggy cove]

one step from fake iphone cameras where its just the lens

[ivory mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-gif-848912551340513

me watching ts

[steel umbra]

i got an ultimate troll idea

take a dedicated camera sensor and build it into a brick phone

[craggy cove]

poco m9 specs leaked 👀

[steel umbra]

or even better take a thermal module

[steel umbra]

m9 sounds way too high end

it has to be n9 pro plus

max

[craggy cove]

NFC 4G

[steel umbra]

i think a nokia phone taking high res thermal shots would give some laughs

[craggy cove]

thermal cameras are nice but niche

so theyre only on garbo "durable" phones with helio chipsets

[steel umbra]

seeing in complete darkness without flashlight is op

you can surprise attack your friends (very not nice 999%)

[steel umbra]

oneplus once experimented with ir

they got nuked with complaints once people figured out you can see through some plastics with ir

you can actually make a near ir camera yourself by removing a filter

[drowsy remnant]

chat i swapped to a 9070 and my system no longer is unstable

does taht mean my rx 7800 xt was a bad card

[grizzled frost]

maybe, maybe not

[steel umbra]

is the 7800xt unstable in diff system

[drowsy remnant]

yeah.

well

it was unstable with LINUX if you tried to do anything with it

windows it was unstable even as stock

[spring latch]

I just tried the 0.38 update for BeamNG on my 2017 PC, lowest settings 144fps isnt impressive but it still looks nice compared to 0.14

[steel umbra]

do you still have warranty

[quasi moat]

Chat gpt is telling me pointing this at an open case PC would make redundant differences

Why tho

Cool air equals. More frames no?

=emerald status

[grizzled frost]

those things spew out moist air

water and pc's don't mix

[quasi moat]

Is there a such thing as a dry air AC?

Is there a name for that

[pulsar root]

water-cooling: cough cough

[grizzled frost]

That would just be traditional AC

[quasi moat]

I’m dumb as fuck and I know that difference

[grizzled frost]

Good, because Megabrains was joking

[spring latch]

dont ask hatgpt

[pulsar root]

ik i am kinda joking

though i think when people think water cooling they dont want it because they dont think anything water should go in a pc

[spring latch]

not that its dry its more that the sudden heat difference create moisture

[quasi moat]

I don’t think I need any cool air more than I already have…. I just can’t get over the fact that it wouldn’t help an open case PC

But if the air it’s spewing is moist. Than yeah. I get it

[grizzled frost]

It would theoretically be a minor improvement, but those don't really put out enough air to be of importance

[quasi moat]

So. The guy that puts his radiator outside his window during the winter…. Is that also bad?

Cause condescending?

[grizzled frost]

You'd risk condensation, yeah

[quasi moat]

So PC wants desert air. Got it

[grizzled frost]

your PC wants the same air as in your room (assuming your room doesn't exist below the dew point)

[quasi moat]

So a room fan would work better than one of those Amazon desk AC’s

That’s starting to make a lot more sense

Luckily

[sinful cobalt]

Its amusing how I can easily create a sauna with my 5090 at full output because GODDAMN it gets hot after 30 mins

[hushed olive]

is there any way to get the windows media creaton tool to not crash on high capacity flash drives? if I use a 1tb flash drive it will crash the app unless i partition it to 512gb, but the app then creates its own partition too and messes everything up

is there a patched version or something that allows it to accept high capacity flash drives?

[quasi moat]

What he said

My apartment does not have the best ventilation

And I can’t put an ac in my office

[sinful cobalt]

I had the room entirely closed (doors and windows) and streamed to my tablet outside- I came in after an hour and it was definitely above 30c it was actually a sauna

500w from the GPU and 100w from the CPU

you can make it hotter by having water cooling bcs the heat gets dispersed into the air faster

[bright surge]

so, now that its twenty years later, is there a rough concensus on what the BEST CPU for gaming was in the 2004/2006 era, preferably that can still be easily found for at or under $80?

i would like to build a system for playing old games from that era, that run a bit TOO well on new systems, or that dont run at all on modern systems

[spring latch]

mobile or desktop

[bright surge]

desktop

suppose i should have specified that, lol

[spring latch]

Core 2 Duo E6700 looks good its from 2006

[bright surge]

nice

[spring latch]

I like mobile gaming from the mid 2000s tho theres a few undisputed kings for their times

I dont know much about desktop gaming from then lol

[bright surge]

lol

you GOTTA love when the devs put the objectives on the LOADING screen

so an even BAD system by todays standards makes it impossible to know what you need to do next, LOL

[spring latch]

I dont actually know much about the games from then lol im a bit young

[bright surge]

no worries

[spring latch]

all ive got from around then is Portal but thats 2009

still one of my all time favourites

[bright surge]

NOICE, portal is a FUN one

gonna replay it sometime soonish =3

[spring latch]

and ive been working on portal 2 recently

[bright surge]

noice

[spring latch]

much more challenging imo

er but otherwise im abusing my 10 year old PC with BeamNG because I figured why not

[bright surge]

LOL

my 10 year old pc would load the levels of the games im thinking of INSTANTLY, LOL

[spring latch]

runs pretty well

[bright surge]

and, id BET my current one could hold the WHOLE damn game in active memory, LOL

[bright surge]

noice

[quasi moat]

: /

[spring latch]

I think my Arctic Acellero III is doing a good job with the cooling

[quasi moat]

Bot is fkng me

[spring latch]

yes the bot is fucking stupid

[bright surge]

holy crap

my OLD system could hold the whole game in active memory, my CURRENT one can hold all of Battle for Middle Earth 2 if i wanted...

-stupified foxo noixes-

[spring latch]

I got 16GB of memory its becoming a nightmare now

[bright surge]

my old system started with 8

[spring latch]

i must find my other 8GB stick to have 24GB

[bright surge]

then upgraded to 16

, then i felt like that wasnt enough, so put the OLD set back in for 24 total, lol

[quasi moat]

Pic could Make a grown man cry

[spring latch]

what a font

[quasi moat]

Yeah they really lean into the hate

[grizzled frost]

so glad none of my machines had less than 64gb of ram going into this crisis

96/64/64/512

[bright surge]

hand over the DDR5

lol

[grizzled frost]

better put the kettle on, cause i’m coming over

[quasi moat]

I only have 32 of ddr5 6000 cl28

[bright surge]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-mao-mao-maomao-mad-angry-gif-15807781399589496020

[grizzled frost]

i bought it all prior to the ram apocalypse

[bright surge]

you WILL surrender the RAM, and no one will get hurt

[bright surge]

lol

[grizzled frost]

I live in a stand your ground state

[bright surge]

my main system is running 96 gigs, that i got like a MONTH or two before it started, lol

[quasi moat]

Matlab is in a different sever

[grizzled frost]

i’m running 96 in my desktop, bought about 6 months prior to it all going to shit

[bright surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cannon-fire-gif-7232131

[grizzled frost]

both 64gb systems are ddr4 servers

the 512gb system is a ddr3 based server

[bright surge]

lol

NOW i see where all the DDR3 went a couple years ago when i wanted to upgrade my old system again, LOL

[grizzled frost]

MY BAD!

it’s only 8 dimms tho

[bright surge]

lol

[grizzled frost]

4 dimms per cpu

1dpc

[quasi moat]

my lil bro has a 4080 with a 5600x and 12gb of ddr3 or 4 cause his 4th stick of 4BGs was dead

[grizzled frost]

5600x is is ddr4

also i hate that setup

you shouldn’t be running 4x4gb on am4 to begin with

[bright surge]

so, if i carry the one, and use a modern noctua cooler, i should be able to push a core 2 dua or quad to well over 3 giga hertz

[quasi moat]

i bought him the 4080... he had a 6500xt prior

[bright surge]

oooooof

[quasi moat]

he refuses to update at all

i even offered to invest hes so fucking stubborn

long as he can pull 60 frames on dogshit games

[snow mauve]

been wanting those a while...crystal ones right

[bright surge]

considering it sounds like the 4080 is the only thing of value besides the storage, could you maybe just upgrade it while he is gone at some point?

i doubt he would notice based on what you said

also, it feels REALLY wierd that i will probably be paying SIGNIFICANTLY more for the mother board than the CPU...

[snow mauve]

i also got a buttload of ram when it was cheaper. i went ddr4 to bring cost down and i think im glad i did heh

[naive temple]

this has been bought btw 😄

[bright surge]

noice

[native path]

W

[sharp ivy]

Y e s

[bright surge]

https://a.co/d/0gmU7ssh

decent looking MoBo for my porpoises

[ivory mountain]

W bro enjoy

[sharp ivy]

Impressive that your porpoises know how to use a computer

[bright surge]

[sharp ivy]

do they use like a massive waterproof keyboard or

[bright surge]

nyope

[sharp ivy]

how does that work

[bright surge]

just a standard PS2 keyboard

[sharp ivy]

I see

membrane I assume to make it easier on their snoots

[bright surge]

THEY actually DEMANDED i get them nice mechanical keyboards, but still with PS2 connectors, even went on strike till i did

[sharp ivy]

wow

picky

[bright surge]

they are SO picky

[naive temple]

ty sir

[vocal herald]

Hey 👋 what's up

[vocal herald]

Hey 👋 what's up

[ivory mountain]

ur a bot

[green shell]

[ivory mountain]

[snow mauve]

ugh, spider on the ceiling slowly getting closer to me

[green shell]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[ivory mountain]

i had one on my ceiling earlier, it was a baby one

its dead now

[snow mauve]

lol

i dont mind as much as when they try to come right over me. i'm in a garage office which has its ups and downs especially as it gets warmer.

[bright surge]

i wonder how far you could push a Core 2 Duo under an NH-D12L

LOL

[green shell]

Only 1 way to find out

[bright surge]

lol

indeed, and im PROBABLY going to be going with that sort of configureation, lol

[green shell]

https://tenor.com/view/muehehehe-gif-4405977563994366182

[bright surge]

hey linus, wanna sponsor this build in exchange for getting to make a fun video out of it, LOL

in my dreams

[drowsy remnant]

yeah. so its all figured out

[sharp ivy]

epic

[bright surge]

lol

[sharp ivy]

linus should pay so I can waterblock my MSI laptop and see how cool it can run

[bright surge]

im looking to build a top tier gaming pc from 20/24 years ago, LOL

[bright surge]

to play games that dont run properly, either to well or not at all, on my decade old system

[bright surge]

it might have been an ASUS gaming laptop they waterblocked

[sharp ivy]

😎 not quite top tier but still

[bright surge]

they, had FUN in that video, LOL

[bright surge]

NOICE

[sharp ivy]

thx