tech-chat-1

[ocean axle]

its a $155 diff

[rough salmon]

id have spent that extra

[native path]

OK thats less than the tax it doesnt matter

[ocean axle]

932.32 vs 1087.70 to be exact

[native path]

negligible difference

im counting it as i hit the mark

[sinful cobalt]

or I go for the LG C5 thats inbetween

42” 144hz 4K TV ez

[south arrow]

Oled taking over this year

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-build-kiryu-sento-gif-9113617536452897181

[ocean axle]

only reason im not still using my 48C1 is because i moved, and its big

[rigid fjord]

if they're ikea ones with a melamine face or sound hollow like a fire door, they'll want extra support tbh

[native path]

ill take a look when they get here (about 2 weeks im told), i may add an extra leg in the middle for support

[rose stream]

D a y u m . . .
Mood...

[rigid fjord]

if you can, get one of the extendable legs

[native path]

yeah, was thinking about the adjustable leg from ikea

[rigid fjord]

similar ones on amazon also, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08H4RWFR2/

[native path]

IS THAT $35 FOR ONE LEG?

i guess they're cheaper the more you buy

[rigid fjord]

yeah, there's some where you can screw in the lower legs for locking them off at their adjustment point if you have an issue with the friction style this and the ikea ones have

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09YCFR6MM <- $40 for 2

also the footpad is unscrewable for adjusting

[native path]

its ikea time

[native path]

this looks like a pretty cool option

[rigid fjord]

friction locking on this one right?

i.e. twist one way to loosen, and the other way to tighten it

[native path]

appears to be, yeah

[rigid fjord]

nice to have the options available more so nowadays

[native path]

i'll take a look into all 3 options and see which one matches my table the most to be honest, it just needs to have the same height as my other table legs and i wont touch it again

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-build-kiryuu-sento-frustrated-scratching-head-gif-14494357818538469456

[gentle robin]

That would be be a 5090

[ebon marlin]

You are homosexual

[gentle robin]

Its more of a should I stay with my porsche or buy a track spec porsche

[gentle robin]

I indeed am not and i am sure about that

I will buy the 5090 or 6090 if they fall under 3000 euro

But my 9070XT nitro is well good for the moment

[rigid fjord]

yeah, which is why i'm thinking of the one you can lock the adjustment on tbh, set and forget with it

[gentle robin]

As the 5080 doesnt seem to have that big of a boost in performance

[rigid fjord]

missing your caffine fix?

[sinful cobalt]

“i was gonna buy a bugatti but i saw gas prices so im buying the cheapest ev out there”

[sinful cobalt]

worse

knowing that my refund review is only gonna be out on monday

[gentle robin]

Is your purpose to present the lack of intellect or what?

The 5090 is currently like 3500

The astral is like 4000

[rigid fjord]

then you suddenly see electric prices go up

[gentle robin]

As soon as the astral falls under 3500 or the basic 5090ts fall under 3000 i will buy one

The 9070XT nitro is also a 1k GPU, so I do not see the comparisons you are trying to make

[sinful cobalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055103856465428532/1489108393493921843/image0.gif

[sinful cobalt]

buying a 9070xt nitro for presumably 1k USD has gotta be one of the biggest fumbles oat

[gentle robin]

Switzerland, what can I say

A good 5080 is like 1800 here

[gentle robin]

I mean I bought it for 800 euros, so close to 1k US

[sinful cobalt]

whats ur cheapest current 9070xt u can find anywhere

post tax

[gentle robin]

669.99 euro

[native path]

wait a 9070xt is $650 usd here

[gentle robin]

771us

771 USD

I found one for 650 euro

Thats like 750ish USD

The nitro + is the most expensive you can get rn here

[sinful cobalt]

i mean at least thats still understandable but that 5080 is not inline with anyt lol

[gentle robin]

Wdym inline with anything?

[sinful cobalt]

2k usd for a 5080 assuming its a shitty model

[gentle robin]

ROG astral

I will spend more for looks then just shitty cards

Thats why I bought thr nitro+

It looks good and was more available then the 5070ti or 5080 at that time

About close to 1 year ago

[rigid fjord]

and this is how nzxt fools people with shitty products because led's and looking good

[gentle robin]

I didnt buy my things because it was basic stuff to max performance. I bought a lot of those things to look good aswell. I bought an 150 euro AIO to cool a 9800X3D even tho a normal air cooler would be enough (Lightloop 360)

I bought veganange RGB DDR5 and not the stealth versions

I bought an ROG board even tho a normal tomahawk would be enough

[south arrow]

I get aio for the extra vent fans tbh

An easy way to populate 3 fan spaces

[gentle robin]

I only own a H6 Flow RGB

[rigid fjord]

also buying a nitro+ means performance as well as looks, when it comes to amd cards

[gentle robin]

Ofc i took that into account, as a nice extra

But like a quicksilver is also close for a lot less

Or mercury

[gentle robin]

I mean also true

An AIO is also a nice to have anyways

Like if AMD decides to bring out a Intel type beat CPU that pulls 240W, im strapped for it

[sinful cobalt]

thats not uncommon

[iron glen]

wsg rauko

[pearl apex]

Hi chat so rn I have hex os installed on my old pc and I have zipline installed on it, I have a cloud flare tunnel setup and pointed at the right ip and port with my domain but cloud flare can not reach zipline, I can reach zipline from my local pc but going to my domain errors 502

[brave brook]

i can't justify 5090 price for work, meanwhile people are buying it for gaming 😄

[rigid fjord]

contemplating on how much rum i should knock back

[iron glen]

as your personal doctor
i say all of it

[valid garden]

worst GPU I ever used fr

[ivory mountain]

idk why u thought it'd be good

[rigid fjord]

could be worse, could be xfx instead

[valid garden]

the preformance is great for what I used it for, MSI just had a small brain moment and put a GTX 960/1060 OC cooler on an RX 580

since im poor the only thing I could replace it with was basically the same card just with an insane arctic cooler

[native path]

zipline is a file sharing service?

[pearl apex]

Is a webserver

[native path]

yeah to share files?

[sinful cobalt]

@native path highk after the refund do I just grab a 27” tandem WOLED 280hz glossy to bide time till 4K 32” tandem

[pearl apex]

Yeah and?

[ebon marlin]

https://stupidpenisx.com/i/status/2040474320380600756

Pirat_Nation 🔴 (@Pirat_Nation)

Steam is developing an FPS Estimator feature that predicts a game's FPS based on your PC hardware.

It will do this by analyzing anonymized data from other Steam users with similar hardware configurations.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 4, 2026, 4:59 PM

[native path]

im just wondering

anyways are you able to access zipline locally

[wheat torrent]

I use zipline

[wheat torrent]

Ofc, you have to host it locally to be able to host it remotely

[native path]

well he cant get it to work

[wheat torrent]

I also use cloudflare for zipline

[native path]

you arent running into issues tho cheez is

[wheat torrent]

But I just have a port open locally and then forward it on cloudflare tunnel

[rigid fjord]

tbf when the a6000 pro exists, the 5090 is pointless

[rigid fjord]

clippy, the only assistant that did truely help in windows

[empty quartz]

I need to somehow justify getting a pair of arc b70’s for myself

[brave brook]

5.7k euros ? for home use, even the 3k euros for 5090 is hard pill to swallow

and anything between 32 and 96GB VRAM is in a zone of 'not really much to do with local LLM there'

[empty quartz]

Its only 150 with the right stuff

[rigid fjord]

better than a 5090 for both gaming and work use, also has a fuck ton more vram,

[empty quartz]

A6000 pro is older than the 5090, and not better

[grizzled frost]

never understood why the less than 96gb rtx pro cards existed

like 90% sure rauko meant the rtx 6000 pro blackwell, not the a6000

[empty quartz]

“Budget”

[empty quartz]

I know

[rigid fjord]

yup, my bad

[grizzled frost]

in that budget a couple 5090s makes far more sense

a single 64gb rtx pro is more than 2x the price of a single 5090, so just buy two 5090s and get more compute

[empty quartz]

Arc b70 would be even better for workstations since it actually supports multi gpu

Even has vram pooling

Iirc

[brave brook]

for LLM it is not really usable. ~32GB is for models like Qwen3.5-35B-A3B or Gemma4-26B-A4B. Then next level are models like Qwen3.5-122B-A10B, which would require ~90GB VRAM (both with reasonable context length)

so the 48GB cards sits in middle of nowhere

[brave brook]

B70 has the issue of "intel support is even worse than AMD for LLMs"

[empty quartz]

@brave brook something even better for llm’s would be an apple sillycon

[wheat torrent]

Comfyui dynamic ram is pretty nice

[brave brook]

prompt processing speed is horrible from the benchmarks i seen

[rigid fjord]

actually no dude

[brave brook]

even the M5 Max are hitting only ~2k tokens/second for prompt processing, which is horrible compared to 500t/s of my dual 1080 Ti setup

[empty quartz]

How much ram though

[latent gull]

wouldnt the whole selling point of the blockchain integration be to keep validation after the store is closed?

[rigid fjord]

nvidia's new nvlink backplane, that's what you want for llm's

[brave brook]

how is that relevant ? if the model fits, i care about how long do i wait for that 30k context of Claude code to be interpreted 😄

[rigid fjord]

you grabbed the source code from the leak?

[brave brook]

and for that 60-120k or more context of debate with LLM

[brave brook]

you didn't need to, setting up Claude code to talk with any LLM is just environment variable settings

as long as the LLM talks Anthropic (which LM Studio, Ollama and llama.cpp all can do), you just set environment variables and it talks to your model and servers

[empty quartz]

M series can have 256gb of ram on just the gpu (on paper, in reality its closer to like 250-253gb)

[rigid fjord]

but if you did, you could take out a couple background parts that make it monitor

[empty quartz]

If you have one of the older studios, you can have 510gb of vram

[brave brook]

there is always the python and rust rewrites if you want that

[brave brook]

but we are again back to prompt processing, that is important to me. Huge VRAM is nice for bigger models, but i am fine with the lame 35B Qwen3.5 model for now. Sure, would be nice to have the 122B model, but not at cost of needing to buy 4x B70 Pro instead of 1x B70 Pro/2xRX9060/2xRX9070/2x5060Ti

[empty quartz]

What model did you use for your benchmark of llm on your 1080ti setup?

Was it qwen3.5 35b?

[brave brook]

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.5-35B-A3B-GGUF - UD-IQ4_NL, 17.8 GB. with ~120k context length. On average on this setup it gets ~400-500t/s prompt processing, ~20t/s token generation (in claude). In chat the generation is higher

unfortunately i am not willing to pay thousands for this. ~1.5k euros is tops i would pay right now

[empty quartz]

@brave brook this?

[brave brook]

more or less. search for unsloth

but the diff is not big

[empty quartz]

Got the unsloth model

Im curious how my m1 max will hold up

[brave brook]

keep in mind the prompt processing is the issue for me, so throw it a ~30-50kB text file to process 😄

[median warren]

opinions on what the quietest aio could be?

[empty quartz]

Can you dm me one?

[brave brook]

i don't really have one, that is the size of initial claude code prompt usually

[mellow sonnet]

running that fucxker without cooling

well the fan is directed at it but no heatsink

[tidal geyser]

oki

[frosty gyro]

Not really that bothered but i got 32gb ddr5 today but in my task manager it says i have 31.1 😭

[mellow sonnet]

kinda crazy how you can just use a cpu without cooling or perform a repaste while its running

[frosty gyro]

anyone know why?

[tidal geyser]

windows

[brave brook]

usually just take a random long webpage/PDF, copy-paste the content and then ask it to sumarize it. and then on developer tab count how long it takes for it to leave prompt processing 😄

[native path]

https://cdn.frroosst.com/6YZYcYig.png

[ivory mountain]

hardware reserved

[mellow sonnet]

rest is hardware reserved and reserved to igpu

[frosty gyro]

oh

[native path]

hah i have more ram than you

[tidal geyser]

get rekt

[mellow sonnet]

its a safety thing

[frosty gyro]

been scammed for 900mb (10 million dollars)

its allg ig

[tidal geyser]

ram prices fell of a cliff and im poor again

[frosty gyro]

damnn

[native path]

im only scammed for 800mb

[brave brook]

do you have an IGPU ? Reserved memory for that, it doesn't have it's own RAM

[frosty gyro]

i legit just upgraded to 32gb ddr5 and a 9800x3d today

[mellow sonnet]

get real lil bro

[native path]

yea i have a 7800x3d

[frosty gyro]

i was having alot of issues at first but i managed to fix it

[ivory mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-its-so-peak-gohan-crying-gohan-its-so-peak-peak-gif-11211568239007237362

[frosty gyro]

ongg

[native path]

i need a new motherboard to get to this level

[frosty gyro]

bro i bent the pins on my usb 3.0 header

[frosty gyro]

i cant get it in anymore

[mellow sonnet]

oh my god its installing an update thats why the fan began screaming

laptop cooling ahh

[tidal geyser]

i just got a motherboard

im back on desktop

[frosty gyro]

what do u actually use that much ram for though

[tidal geyser]

even better, im on linux :3

also i never even touched 32 on windows

[frosty gyro]

is linux any better for windows?

[tidal geyser]

uhm

[ivory mountain]

arch user try not to mention theyre on linux challenge impossible

[mellow sonnet]

its going to explode

[frosty gyro]

do i loose out on performance if im running pcie gen 4 on a 5070ti 💔 ?

[tidal geyser]

hey arch users would be very offended about that

im not a arch purist

[mellow sonnet]

absolutely not, the difference between 4.0 and 5.0 is so minimal youre fine without 5.0

[brave brook]

Like this chart - 2000t/s prompt processing - would be worth investing. 1000t/s - barely double of my current free HW. And these are M5 Max and M3 Max (src https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1s5np41/m5_max_vs_m3_max_inference_benchmarks_qwen35_omlx/)

[frosty gyro]

alright thanks cos my motherboards pcie 5 but i use a gen 4 riser cable so

[tidal geyser]

well no pcie 5 is 2x as fast

but for gaming the difference is next to nothing

[mellow sonnet]

fuck you mean no bro people told me otherwise here months ago

[frosty gyro]

my pc literally wasnt working with my new motherboard before because of the riser cable

it was constantly crashing and lagging

[ivory mountain]

yes u are

[tidal geyser]

wat

every pcie version has been 2x faster than the last

but it does not mean its better for gaming

[frosty gyro]

when does it actually matter?

[brave brook]

looking at debate from link above, Qwen 3.5 seems to be ~2-3x higher numbers than llama 7b numbers (https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/discussions/4167), but that would still put the base m4 mac mini with 24-32GB RAM only to same-ish speed as my current setup, and it would cost me more than buying the dual GPU options

[tidal geyser]

for other equipment than gpus

like networking

[frosty gyro]

oh right

[ebon marlin]

Even the 4090 runs at full performance at pcie 2.0x16

[frosty gyro]

ah ok

not to educated on that stuff just know the basics of building a pc

[brave brook]

another post https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1s4bggo/benchmarked_qwen35_35b_moe_27b_dense_122b_moe/. I mean i can test out the m4 mini with 24GB RAM next week, so i can see how will it perform - but i have my doubts if it is worth it

[mellow sonnet]

this server has people who sometimes say completely opposite things

who to trust 💔

[brave brook]

with PCIe connectivity of the GPU, the bandwidth only matters when transfers are occuring. Which do not happen as often as people would think. Which is why often the losses from going slower generation or less lanes are smaller than people expect

going from 5.0 x16 to 1.1 x16 you lose 26% of performance

3.0 x16 is 4% loss... with 5090, at 1080p

at 4k, the differences are even less

[mellow sonnet]

so all vram important things do benefit a newer pcie version where regular usage doesnt

[clear canyon]

I had a stroke reading this

[mellow sonnet]

read better

[brave brook]

no, pcie speed doesn't hurt other gpus either. 5060 Ti 16GB going from 5.0 x8 to 3.0 x8 is also just 4% performance loss. The game engines simply do not transfer enough data back and forth for the PCIe bandwidth to be the limiting factor.

[clear canyon]

Type a proper sentence and use punctuation

[brave brook]

usually only smaller VRAM situation is where it hurts, like 8GB cards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LhS0_ra9c4

[mellow sonnet]

dgaf, not a native english speaker

[clear canyon]

There you go

[mellow sonnet]

i absolutely get it

[empty quartz]

@brave brook just testing the t/s with just a normal sentence

32.75 tokens/s

[clear canyon]

Which ai

[brave brook]

yeah, token generation is fine, it's when it needs to process long input is the issue i fear, because claude code usage starts with claude sending it a ~25-30k prompt telling it what tools can it use etc. And that takes good ~50 seconds on my dual 1080 Ti setup, because it processes prompt only at ~400-500t/s. And from what i seen, a base M4 mac Mini with 24-32GB RAM should give me similar numbers, which would make the investment not worth it.

going from 50 to 20 seconds (~2k t/s prompt processing) with something like dual 9060 XT would push it to a very usable territory on other side. I mean the current setup is not horrible, i fire a prompt to it, it takes some time for it to do the first prompt and due caching next prompts are relatively OK. But when it decides to compress prompt at reaching ~100k prompt length, well, that is a good 3-4 minute break 😄

[brave brook]

Qwen3.5-35B-A3B in Q4

[clear canyon]

Have you tried the new ollama release? Its pretty cool, its the MiniMax-M2.7 and it has self improvement built in

[brave brook]

running it with latest llama.cpp. Ollama and LM Studio have a bit worse performance and less configuration 🙂

[clear canyon]

Nice

How good is the self improvement

[brave brook]

not sure what you talk about tho 😄

if this https://x.com/JulianGoldieSEO/status/2037262406104313879 then that's just an openclaw logic thing, is not reallyt tied to ollama or minimax - it is just processing information to text files based on certain logic

Julian Goldie SEO (@JulianGoldieSEO)

This free AI stack is way more powerful than most paid tools.

And it can run on your computer 24/7.

MiniMax M2.7 + Ollama + OpenClaw gives you:
→ a self-improving model
→ a free local/cloud runtime
→ a real AI agent layer
→ API switching inside OpenClaw
→ skills that get

▶ Play video

X · Mar 26, 2026, 8:16 PM

[empty quartz]

i might try running a local model on my workstation

probably will run like crap

gpu only has 12gb of vram, plus 128gb of shared

[brave brook]

you can always run something smaller - depending on what you want from it. For example Qwen3.5-9B can still do good enough text summarization, or vision tasks.

[empty quartz]

@brave brook just tried to get it to make a program that detects movement, and it hit 34 tokens/s

i have a 25gb gpu

Didnt mean to ping

[brave brook]

you can either use opencode and configure it against your LM studio (via OpenAI compatible provider), or do stuff like https://lmstudio.ai/docs/integrations/claude-code if you want to use claude code. I also set few others (CLAUDE_CODE_ATTRIBUTION_HEADER=0, API_TIMEOUT_MS=3600000, DISABLE_TELEMETRY=1, DISABLE_ERROR_REPORTING=1, CLAUDE_CODE_DISABLE_FEEDBACK_SURVEY=1, CLAUDE_CODE_DISABLE_1M_CONTEXT=1, CLAUDE_CODE_AUTO_COMPACT_WINDOW=115000 - this one to whatever context length you have in lm studio) and ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_SONNET_MODEL/ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_HAIKU_MODEL/ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL to the model name in the LM Studio/Ollama/llama.cpp/vllm. And boom, it talks to local LLM instead of the paid sub 😄

[frosty gyro]

is overclocking a 9800x3d worth it? will i see a decent increase?

[rigid fjord]

nope, it's like the difference between pcie gen 3 and gen 4, it works out to 5fps difference total

[craggy cove]

pbo +200 curve -20 and forget

[rigid fjord]

@frosty gyro this but also run a stability test

[frosty gyro]

aight

[ebon marlin]

https://stupidpenisx.com/i/status/2040474466497552669

Snowl (@Snowl_OW)

LMAOOO

QRT: Snowl_OW
Thank you @PulsarGears for including the normal mouse and some extra goodies with the April fools limited mouse!!! Not expected but very fun and enjoyable :D

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 4, 2026, 4:59 PM

[craggy cove]

g502 users in 2026

[glacial crypt]

Nothing wrong with the G502

[craggy cove]

the wireless one is like 130€

and theyre heavy

[azure topaz]

i mean for the people using them sure

[craggy cove]

though some people just dont care ig

[azure topaz]

but yeah its a pretty overpriced mouse for wat u get, battery good tho logitech batt management

[craggy cove]

though i can never go back

[azure topaz]

i had to go from a superlight to a g502 while waiting for a new mouse

[glacial crypt]

Some people like the weight

[azure topaz]

terrible

[craggy cove]

i have 2 g502s just sitting due to circumstances

[craggy cove]

both have the usb a side cable exposed

logitech quality cables

[glacial crypt]

I love the G502

[limpid ivy]

Using a g502 X plus at the moment after someone stole my g304

[azure topaz]

scyrox v8 and saber v2

[glacial crypt]

I love my G502 X Plus

[azure topaz]

the scyrox is great but it doesnt like my mousepad

[limpid ivy]

Though I have always been a use to heavy mice

[craggy cove]

i now use fingertip grip (probably cause of my mouse) so i doubt the g502 is very usable to me anymore

a used viper v3 pro for like 60€ seems nice

but im probably not hardstuck because of my mouse

[limpid ivy]

Mx Master series was the only mouse I have used in the past. That rubber material did not last.

Well till I put something on the Mx Master 3s, seems to be helping in the meantime until that one becomes gross.

[sharp ivy]

I use a mouse

I do like the weighting of my Certified Data OK-520

[craggy cove]

is that why my b650 still has a ps2 port

[sharp ivy]

My Sony Vaio still has PS2 port

and it is only like 23 years old

[tranquil wharf]

been a long time since I last used a heavy mouse

[craggy cove]

the vaios are weird machines

sony is so dysfunctional man

[sharp ivy]

My RC-310G certainly is

[latent pasture]

gameurrs who want to blame 100000 things before their skill issue will riot when their muh lesser response time port is removed

[tranquil wharf]

sounds like the same crowd who still swear by CRTs

[craggy cove]

or do they want me to pay extra to rid my eyes of this dinosaur port

lesser response time yes but

wtf do i plug in to it

high performance ps2 keyboard / mouse

[craggy cove]

nvidia pulsar sadly snatched crt's chain

for latency fans atleast

[tranquil wharf]

we already got sub-1ms on wireless mice/keyboards, latency has been a solved problem for a while already

in terms of peripherals at least

[sharp ivy]

the black levels are fantastic and they're pretty satisfying

[craggy cove]

well the superstrike seems cool

wayyy too expensive tho

waiting for the chinese brands to copy it and buy it in like 5 years used

or if my aerox 3 wireless dies

3 payments of 59.99€ 🔥

[robust minnow]

do any of you guys know where i could find the geforce led visualizer for controlling the geforce gtx brightness on older cards?

[tranquil wharf]

superstrike is interesting indeed

I'm surprised that hadn't been done before

[craggy cove]

maybe i understand it wrong but isnt it just like a hall effect mouse

wooting was expensive af and now u can get hall effect keyboards for like 50€ new

[tranquil wharf]

pretty much

don't remember the actual tech used, but it's adjustable actuation point similar to HE

so there will probably be others on the market soon

haptic feedback and the travel being much much shorter than for any keyboards probably makes it somewhat different technologically than the keyboard stuff

[craggy cove]

yeah the haptic thing is weird

[tranquil wharf]

I mean it's kinda necessary

when the travel to actuation is like 0.5mm lol

[craggy cove]

this was already in laptop touchpads so i wonder why nobody did this before

[tranquil wharf]

wasn't necessary with a mechanical switch

[midnight wind]

It's probably for getting into bios in stages where USB might not be active

Because PS/2 has higher latency than modern USB so that's not even it for gamers

[craggy cove]

why is it a lower-midrange feature tho

[midnight wind]

Idk

[craggy cove]

put like empty space instead of it

[tranquil wharf]

they got spare room on IO panel on lower range mobos

[craggy cove]

i dont like that its there cause idk

[tranquil wharf]

so might as well slap on stuff that costs 30 cents like PS/2

[azure topaz]

its for liquid nitrogen

generally when the board is super cold the usb controllers drop out

ps2 does not have that issue

if its on a shitter board its just leftover from making a higher end board with the same pcb design

[craggy cove]

LN overclocking my b650m s2h

[tranquil wharf]

except who does LN2 XOC on a midrange board

[azure topaz]

people who have ln2

[azure topaz]

.

[craggy cove]

ln on tap water

[balmy tapir]

i really dont think ln2 cooling is a major reason boards still have ps2

[azure topaz]

😭 well it for the most part is

this is my Z890 OCF, notice anything?

[tranquil wharf]

I notice an extreme lack of IO

[azure topaz]

yeah but still freakin ps2

[craggy cove]

spam usb c

[craggy cove]

and separate keyboard and mouse wow

[azure topaz]

sometimes the USB controller doesnt work while cold, and if the PCB design already has it why not keep it

[balmy tapir]

id have to think its more related to legacy/businesses still needing ps2, ln2 overclocking just cant be that big of a market share to be the main reason

[craggy cove]

with ddr5 can 2 slots be the standard

[azure topaz]

yeah dawg legacy businesses need ps2 on the ocf

Z790 apex

[craggy cove]

can someone email gigabyte

[azure topaz]

Z690 aorus tachyon

[tranquil wharf]

no IO shield

[azure topaz]

im sure there are other uses for them putting it there but the only explained reason ive ever seen is for the oc boards, and its the only one that really makes that much sense to me

it just being left over from typical xoc designs makes sense

[craggy cove]

can you explain the lack of integrated io shield mr wise guy

[azure topaz]

thats because gigabyte is regarded

[craggy cove]

i dont ask ai i ask floppa

[azure topaz]

google the board its just a whole freakshow im the first place

jjust weird

[tranquil wharf]

only ever had one mobo without integrated IO shield but that's because it was a server board

[balmy tapir]

i mean even with oc boards how many people are really doing subzero cooling? im a bit outside of the OC scene, but idk it just doesnt seem like it is a large enough market of people to be a big contributor

id really just guess it doesn't cost anything to add and they still have function outside of usb

[craggy cove]

gigabyte invented side io with that usb a port

[azure topaz]

it is required for anyone to do sub zero cooling

[craggy cove]

6x sata for your overclocked nas

[azure topaz]

it doesnt matter if its 8 people. those 8 people are sponsored by asus and asus wants records lol

same for the other vendors

oc for vendors is like the racing world to consumer car companies

big marketing

[balmy tapir]

yea fair enough

[craggy cove]

"easy stable ram oc"

[azure topaz]

it is the best DDR5 board on z890 so

[craggy cove]

this is the type of oc my "ai" z87 board would recommend me

[azure topaz]

i mean look at the apex with insanely niche oc focused features, you think they wouldnt put ps2 on the boards for ocers as well?

there is no consumer in the world using that slow mode button

[craggy cove]

rename it to turbo

[azure topaz]

true

[native path]

this looks so cool wtf

[midnight wind]

Interesting

I think I might have an old PS/2 mouse from a gateway PC with windows ME somewhere

[azure topaz]

yur

[craggy cove]

vga for extreme overclocking

[normal tusk]

and also i think technically ps/2 keyboards are lower latency technically technically

err at least if you had a modern ps/2 keyboard

if such a thing exists

[tranquil wharf]

"this sub-1ms thing has lower latency than that sub-1ms thing" - I don't think these arguments make sense anymore

[azure topaz]

usb doesnt have true N key rollover. boom.

[tranquil wharf]

peripherals combined adding like 2ms to the total 50ms end-to-end latency and gamers being like "must get lower latency peripherals, SURELY I'd be able to tell if it was 49ms instead of 50ms"

[azure topaz]

and yet x3d is raved about

[tranquil wharf]

....what?

[azure topaz]

X3D helps the CPU access things faster because it doesnt have to keep them in slower memory instead, slower meaning on the scale of nano seconds

[tranquil wharf]

X3D is raved about because it gives double digit performance gain in a lot of titles, not because "lower latency"

[azure topaz]

the performance is from the lower latency bro

[tranquil wharf]

[azure topaz]

😭 do you understand how the levels of cache in a computer work?

[tidal geyser]

floppa im back on desktop

[azure topaz]

decided laptop wasnt for you?

[tidal geyser]

7600 with 96GB ddr5

[azure topaz]

or just have two now

[odd marsh]

No I didn’t pay attention in class

[tranquil wharf]

latency perceived by humans directly for individual actions is a completely different topic from latency that affects the roundtrip time of something that is done 100k per second internally in the PC

[tidal geyser]

nah more like i wanted to build something maybe a friend was interested in but he poor and i got a 7600 for 100$ and a b650 for 100$

and my ddr5 and 7900 XTX has just been sitting doing nothing for months

[azure topaz]

yep but i was being an asshat but it turns out you didnt get it right away so meh

[azure topaz]

eh not bad

[tranquil wharf]

fair enough

[azure topaz]

game of semantics sed

[tidal geyser]

sadly im back at 200w vs 100 on lappy

[azure topaz]

tc1 my goat

[azure topaz]

im buying ryzen here soon

[tranquil wharf]

problem with being silly is that there's always people who'd say that exact same thing and actually mean it

[azure topaz]

yeah im not that braindead its okay my bad though 😭

[azure topaz]

not for daily but im buying it

[tidal geyser]

i needed something zen4 so i can use znver4 packages

[tranquil wharf]

nah my /s detector is definitely slightly off today

[azure topaz]

getting an MPOWER

[empty quartz]

Do i get a bulova, tissot, or citizen?

[azure topaz]

which i will probably not give to my mom lowkey

and a 7800x3d which is going to my mom

[empty quartz]

Hai floppa

[azure topaz]

hello

sick ass board tho im excited

[native path]

my mom has a 9800x3d here so she's winning

i lied for clicks

[azure topaz]

yeah and i have a 13900KS sitting doing nothing so whos really winning

[tranquil wharf]

on a semi-related topic, I noticed my dad always used crap mice, and I just casually gave him a maya x acting like it's just a random cheap mouse lol

[azure topaz]

lmao

[native path]

well my mom has a macbook air with 24gigs of ram

[empty quartz]

I stealed

[craggy cove]

basically the same as my i5 6500 and heaps of mining board celerons

[azure topaz]

i will bin 9850X3D's at work and have a goated am5 combo

[craggy cove]

quantity > quality

[native path]

cant believe she was deadset on getting 24gigs

[empty quartz]

I have a pentium g4400 collecting dust

[azure topaz]

i have a lot of things sitting collecting dust

[empty quartz]

Im going to consume that

Hungy

[azure topaz]

going to kyoko

[craggy cove]

im going b4b with my 660 ti

[azure topaz]

i have more expensive wall decorations youre larping the pc love

[tranquil wharf]

I give my unused stuff away usually

[craggy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-memes-jjk-ryu-jjk-larp-larping-gif-9136261405032725470

[native path]

the only thing she does is use google chrome with multiple tabs open, her tech team at work originally got her a m4 mackbook pro with 32gigs of memory because the pro has "fans" and "works well for multitasking"

[azure topaz]

i give anything good away

[empty quartz]

DAMN.

[azure topaz]

i keep things i have uses for or is garbage

[craggy cove]

why the mid album tho

give that away

[azure topaz]

like nobody wants an RX 570 4GB thats kinda fawked

[empty quartz]

I do

[azure topaz]

go dumpster diving then

[craggy cove]

oh hey i have one

[empty quartz]

Yummers

[craggy cove]

0 signs of life

idk what to do with it

[azure topaz]

oh mine works totally fine its just a mining card and modded

[craggy cove]

how many broken psus do u own 🔥

[azure topaz]

no psus of mine do not turn on

how many units over 1kW do you have?

[tranquil wharf]

had 4, gave one away

[azure topaz]

so we're twinning

[craggy cove]

quangzhi 2000w 95+ emerald btc psu counts?

[azure topaz]

as one

[native path]

what the fuck is a 95+ emerlad

[tranquil wharf]

my remaining 3 1kw+ are all AX1600i

[azure topaz]

i have 3 computers within 2 foot of me

[craggy cove]

but 1 doesnt work, 1 shuts off randomly, 1 works but the cpu 8 pin is missing (idk how)

[azure topaz]

HOW

[craggy cove]

i got it included with some stuff

[azure topaz]

how do you know it works without the 8 pin

[craggy cove]

i have 0 clue how they managed to do that

[azure topaz]

thats only useful for like, some wires

[craggy cove]

it was with a cpu mobo ram combo, it supposedly worked but they somehow broke it while removing it

[azure topaz]

eeeegghh i see

[craggy cove]

0 clue how

[azure topaz]

goated

[craggy cove]

did they remove it with scissors idk

[azure topaz]

i have 1300 G2
the superflower 1200W
and da msi 1kw

[craggy cove]

i have a bunch of pc parts but theyre all dogshit 🔥

[azure topaz]

same bro same

[craggy cove]

ok larper

[azure topaz]

other than a handful of shiz

[craggy cove]

u dont know the trenches

[deep musk]

Got a new mobo for my server a gigabyte b550 eagle wifi6 (atx) gonna replace my current mobo (a random asus b550 micro atx) gonna love the 4-5 x16 slots (not all of them are wired for x16) instead of just the 1 x16 and 2 x1 that I have currently

[craggy cove]

how many amd semphron combos do u have

[azure topaz]

dawg my first computer was a dell optiplex 790 and an rx 570 😭

[craggy cove]

mine was that semphron combo

idk the model but solitaire and freecell was fire

i still have 0 clue how to play freecell

[tranquil wharf]

my first computer was an intel pentium III 450mhz and... I forget the GPU

[craggy cove]

the hdd still has the og windows xp insttall with pictures n stuff

[azure topaz]

yeah im not old

[craggy cove]

but something was failing last time i tried it

[tranquil wharf]

[craggy cove]

toaster

[azure topaz]

i mean technically my first computer was like a pentium 3 or 4 but i didnt know how to use it

windows ME thing i got for free at like age 9

and before my gaming optiplex i had a way shitter dell optiplpex 780 with a core 2 duo but i dont count that one

ive only been pc gaming for like 6 years total idk

6 or 7

[azure topaz]

its a 4 core FX bro

thing draws idk 45w

even clocked

[craggy cove]

i see am3 and i assume toaster

[azure topaz]

am3+ smh smh smh

[craggy cove]

two sides of the same turd

[deep musk]

Finally gonna be able to use more than one dgpu

[azure topaz]

ragebait

haswell fart computer i got recently for some oc fun 🔥

[tranquil wharf]

what's your use case for multi gpu

[craggy cove]

hey my h81 pro btc has mobo molex too

[azure topaz]

shit and fuck, probably

[craggy cove]

pci e 6 pin on motherboards before it was cool

[deep musk]

Many (non headless) vms and/or a small ai model

[tranquil wharf]

well, AI can easily use up any gpu resources, so I guess there's never too much gpu for that purpose

[deep musk]

My fatal1ty mobo also has a input molex connector

[azure topaz]

i have no idea if its actually useful

even for multi gpu

id imagine sure if you run more than 4 gpus on 1 board it might be useful but like

[craggy cove]

molex to sata lose all your data
mole to gpu...

[azure topaz]

why is it on my extreme4

[deep musk]

If I remember correctly it’s to supply the watts for the power connector of the pcie slot before 24 pin was a thing

[azure topaz]

well you remember incorrectly lol

[craggy cove]

24 be a thingy

[deep musk]

Damn, not surprising

[azure topaz]

yuo see somethin on that board that looks kinda like a 24 pin?

[robust minnow]

How do we feel about using this PSU for the little PC?

[azure topaz]

maybe not cause the res, but you get it lol

[craggy cove]

unethical, disingenuous, discombobulate

[deep musk]

Hey, don’t need to be mean, I just tried to help ><

[craggy cove]

castles made of sand

[azure topaz]

if you think that is mean big dawg respectfully ignore me before you cry or something like the last guy who said that

just a lil sarcasm, nothing against you

[robust minnow]

I low-key lost the big 72 pin psu cable thinging so im gonna eyeball it and pray I get the pin out correct

[deep musk]

It was condescending tbh

[kindred halo]

Silly little pfp :3

[craggy cove]

floppa how much 800mhz ddr4 do u have tho

[deep musk]

Thanksies >w<

[grizzled frost]

0

[deep musk]

0

[craggy cove]

i will keep milking it

[azure topaz]

besides my server i have very little DDR4 in general

[craggy cove]

its so bad im proud of it

[kindred halo]

The phrasing can be seen as malicious / rude / condescending to some

Even if you didn't mean it

[grizzled frost]

i have a fair bit of ddr4, but it’s all in use

i don’t have a single unused ddr4 dimm

[craggy cove]

i have 64 in various quantities and speeds

32 will be going in a build rest i will sell

oh 80 actually i remember nwo

[deep musk]

I have a single unused 4gb stick

[craggy cove]

ram prices are seemingly going down ?

[azure topaz]

64 in my server, 16GB bdie in the am4 oc rig, like 5 other mismatched dimms of various quantities

[craggy cove]

or green sticks are just cheap idk

i bought some 2x16gb 2666mhz green ram for 80€

[grizzled frost]

what prices are you looking at

[kindred halo]

What language is your display username in? And what's it mean?

[tranquil wharf]

I have a single 32gb ddr5 rdimm stick that I bought as a temporary replacement for when I had to RMA my main kit

[deep musk]

French, it means door handle

[grizzled frost]

those used to be like 15-20usd a dimm

[kindred halo]

Had a feeling it's french

Didn't at all think it'd mean door handle

[kindred halo]

What's the story behind it, madam?

[kindred halo]

It didn't send as a tiny image smh

[azure topaz]

not really that good homie

[craggy cove]

maybe im desensitized

[azure topaz]

😭

[craggy cove]

kinda regret it yeah

[azure topaz]

yes thats what, like 110 US?

[deep musk]

It was my summer camp name I was an animator

[craggy cove]

"hmm why didnt anyone else bid on this"

[azure topaz]

really not a ll that good especially if you werent IC sniping so they oc well

[craggy cove]

in my defense prices kinda suck here

[kindred halo]

That's..
Huh, really interesting

[craggy cove]

nah they probably suck

[kindred halo]

Pretty silly x3

[tranquil wharf]

I almost bought 128gb for NAS before the prices went up

[craggy cove]

auctions are unhealthy idk

[tranquil wharf]

so on one hand regretting not buying because the prices are much higher now, but on the other hand... the NAS really does not need that much

[kindred halo]

@azure topaz I almost bought a T14 G2 with a 5650U for $320 earlier this morning

Backed out last second because the money on that is enough for a 30% downpayment on an LOQ

[azure topaz]

ts peak

[kindred halo]

And I'd rather not buy two laptops

[kindred halo]

Looks very interesting
What is the purpose

[azure topaz]

overclock ddr3

[craggy cove]

atleast im not the only one ?

biggest auction regret is buying 4 thermalright daisy chain fans

[azure topaz]

straight fire

fans you can already buy for 3$ a piece

[kindred halo]

To what speeds

[azure topaz]

2666 so far

[craggy cove]

yeah i ended up just putting 5 arctic p12 maxs i found for 15€ in my pc

[craggy cove]

these cost 30€... 2 were reverse 2 were normal, only 1 daisy chain connector

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-dsmsix-gif-17697829494595463624

[kindred halo]

Whoa that's pretty fast for DDR3

[azure topaz]

not particularly

higher than average but its DDR3 lol

you can do like 3000 sometimes although probably not on this platform

& i have no ddr3 experience

[kindred halo]

What's the maximum you could realistically get on it, even if unstable

[craggy cove]

these were a cool find for 5€

idk what to do with them so i gave them to my brother cause he only had 8gb of ram

somehow he managed to put a ddr3 dimm in backwards

and then there was magic smoke

[azure topaz]

2666 so far, idk i have no experience on ddr3

[craggy cove]

the dimm still smells funky

[kindred halo]

1066 above what I believe is JEDEC maximum for DDR3
That's good progress

[azure topaz]

theres 1866 jedec

[valid garden]

wasnt DDR4 originally rated maximum for 2400 or so

[azure topaz]

2133, but ram is weird and will generally double in speed before the generation ends

[distant frigate]

WTF 250 Mbps for $90 a month

[azure topaz]

there was kits of d4 rated for 5000

[distant frigate]

That is outrageous

[valid garden]

AMDs A series APUs had horrible DDR4 support, they forced RAM to be 1866 which means money wasted on 2133

[azure topaz]

well if you had to use one i don’t think you had money for 2133 anyways but

[valid garden]

lol

[hexed tapir]

First gen Ryzen and x370 mobos had horrible ram support

[valid garden]

I used a 9420e for a bit, it is abominal

[rigid fjord]

1866 is a jedec for ddr4 tbh, also i has one of those still, bulldozer cpu but for am4

[valid garden]

2008 mobile core 2 duo runs better

[azure topaz]

idk bulldozer clocked ram ok unless it was just an arbitrary limit

i got my FX 4300 to boot the max ratio the fx board i showed earlier even supports, which is 2400

[rigid fjord]

think i still have the patriot 2400mhz kit around somewhere

[ivory mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-larry-baby-ai-baby-laughing-ai-baby-baby-gif-17394836155970552795

[cosmic marsh]

so smol

what gpu is that

[azure topaz]

its a normal sized computer wym

580 8gb powercolor thing, idk its garbage

displays a picture tho

[tidal geyser]

its not a 4 slot 5090

[cosmic marsh]

hey dont hate on the 580

[valid garden]

really hate my board, wont ever default to iGPU even without a dGPU

[cosmic marsh]

as a gtx 1650 user i got offended by that

[azure topaz]

consider that you just dont have an igpu

[valid garden]

i5-7400:

[tidal geyser]

7400

[azure topaz]

wack then, you got some gross ass prebuilt?

[valid garden]

i dont know if the build would be the issue, they chose a decent board

MSI Bazooka B250M

[deep musk]

Even if you reset the bios?

[valid garden]

yep

[tidal geyser]

m yes decent

[azure topaz]

idk my msi z270 board was fine with IGPU

[ivory mountain]

nice job rpcs3

[deep musk]

Weird

[azure topaz]

i had a z270 tomahawk opt boost

[tidal geyser]

also im 90% sure iv had that board before

[azure topaz]

had the amd version of it myself

[cosmic marsh]

rest in peace my granny she got hit by a basooka

[valid garden]

LMAO

[cosmic marsh]

im a proud h510 user

it was like the only budget thing on stock

[valid garden]

I might be able to hook up my cooked RX 580 for a moment to see what settings I can change

[azure topaz]

i bet it works

[cosmic marsh]

works amazing

[tidal geyser]

look at what i managed to get for cheaper than a a620

[cosmic marsh]

also great bios

[azure topaz]

i try not to uby anything that cant oc ram/cpu

so i generally always buy Z series or at least B series AMD

[tidal geyser]

well eh more like on par with a a620

[tidal geyser]

aint ram OC possible on all A boards while pbo is what can be limited?

[rigid fjord]

and it's a fuckton better than an a620

[azure topaz]

well yeah but im not buying garbage

[tidal geyser]

it got all the bells and whistles

[tidal geyser]

fair nuf

[ivory mountain]

you bought your pc so obviously u do buy garbage

[azure topaz]

true

laugh at this user

[tidal geyser]

3 nvme slots, some nice metal slots here and there and humungus amongus VRM cooling, and i use that for a 7600 that has a wraith prism :3

[cerulean estuary]

Nvme prices are so bad the second hand market looking TEMPTING

[rigid fjord]

if you want to see a somewhat weird one, look for one of the asus a320's

they have one that's atx

[azure topaz]

i dont want to buy an a620 board for a computer that im "not going to overclock" then in a year when that pc is useless for its original purpose go to oc it and get very disappointed

[tidal geyser]

yea i should sell mine before google makes some storage saving thing and crashing the market there too

[cosmic marsh]

go to a junk jard and steal old kingston ssds

[cerulean estuary]

Need it for my ps5

[tidal geyser]

yuh, i just do not wanna buy it due to most of em looking like shit and well they are quite limited

[cosmic marsh]

i once found a pc with in the trash with an athlon 2 gigs of ram and some ahh gpu but it had a kingston ssd, guess what happened to it

[azure topaz]

yeah i dont like boards that arent full cover or at least integrated io shield

i try to tell people thew same thing

[cosmic marsh]

i stole and salvaged it

[azure topaz]

buy the cheapest board that has an integrated io shield as a minimum level of quality

[cosmic marsh]

steal 2 then

[azure topaz]

most people wont ever need any better

[cerulean estuary]

Is it an nvme or a standard sata?

[cosmic marsh]

standard sata

[tidal geyser]

ngl idc about that but every board iv bought for myself come with one so meh

also one thing i just thought of

[rigid fjord]

a shite ssd in the process you took

[azure topaz]

not just for the io shield

[tidal geyser]

every single personal pc iv built myself now has had a asus board :3

[rigid fjord]

sata 2.5

[azure topaz]

generally boards that have an io shield built in are not garbage

or at least generally very usable

not lacking features yknow

[cosmic marsh]

runs all this fine so i aint got nothing to complain about and i still have 65 gigs left

[azure topaz]

more than 1 case fan header, etc

[tidal geyser]

yuh

[rigid fjord]

the a400 is known for dying out quickly

[cosmic marsh]

whenever it dies ill replace it

[rigid fjord]

i used to have 2x 480gb ones of the a400

[cosmic marsh]

i put it in like a one and a half years ago

[cosmic marsh]

after how long did they go kaboom

[tidal geyser]

up to you

[rigid fjord]

had them in for 2-3 years, swapped them out at 65% for a couple mx500 2tb's

[ivory mountain]

someone else in here using a shit ssd nice im on a wd blue sn550 for my boot drive

[rigid fjord]

these used to be good if you have the v1 and not v2

[cosmic marsh]

mine is still going strong at 97%

[ivory mountain]

it came from a skytech prebuilt and i forgot to check lol, i assume its the v2 considering the timeframe i got it vs when the v2 released

[rigid fjord]

that would be the one with the controller swap then

i still have an sn500 that needs retiring

[exotic cape]

hmmmm

[azure topaz]

floppa

[tidal geyser]

do not worry about it

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/big-floppa-for-bk-gif-25780630

[hexed tapir]

Why is it so hot

[limpid ivy]

Hmm dream machine

[hexed tapir]

Think of how hot your room would get 😆

[native path]

I want this

[limpid ivy]

[native path]

But it looks cool, surely it’ll cool my room down

[tidal geyser]

eh unifi stuff aint too bad

[limpid ivy]

I got POE injectors 👀

[native path]

I’m frying fries

[hexed tapir]

Panada room faces the sun in California

[peak swan]

Lock screen

[native path]

O_O

[frosty gyro]

you guys think people will buy a motherboard cpu and ram combo or should i sell it individually

[native path]

People are interested in those

[tidal geyser]

yes

[native path]

Mobo & cpu even

[hexed tapir]

You would get more separate

[native path]

I’d think you get more with a mobo & CPU combo then selling ram seperate no?

[tidal geyser]

i sold my x670e and 7800X3D individually and the person asked to make it a combo, sold it for like 600$ then bought a b650 and a 7600 for 200$

[frosty gyro]

planning on selling it for like 500 gbp its a 5700x3d, 32gb 3600mhz and b550

5700x3ds are pretty expensive in the uk

[limpid ivy]

In the mid afternoon and evening yea

Why I always keep my window blinds closed so it’s always dark in my room

[exotic cape]

i still need to get to selling my parts

[hexed tapir]

You would for sure have a better time selling it separately, 5700x3d is the second best option for a same platform upgrade for gaming , so people with older Ryzen cpus would be looking for that

[frosty gyro]

ye i bought it for £250 a while ago but im not on am4 anymore so im just tryna get rid of it

i just dont have the boxes for any of it sadly

which is why it would be easier for me to sell it as a whole.

[hexed tapir]

https://www.printables.com/model/499374-amd-ryzen-am4-cpu-clamshell-case own or have access to a 3d printer?

[frosty gyro]

i do not sadly

i really wanna get one though

[hexed tapir]

Or $5-8 for regular

[frosty gyro]

ill have a look thanks

[warm hinge]

I did got my MacBook Air with M5 yesterday and I love it a lot

It works very well

[ebon spire]

Welp yall I officially did a crazy thing

I'm a linux user now

[azure topaz]

eeeuuggghhhhhh

[ebon spire]

I chose CachyOS because that was reccomended to me as the best for gaming

[topaz shale]

interesting monitor layout

[ebon spire]

Yeah its 1080P monitor, a 1440P monitor, and then my Telly being used as a monitor

and I think the tiny thing might be it trying to use my index as a monitor lol

[topaz shale]

whats the last like 480p thing

oh lol

[ebon spire]

I'm thinking the index anyway lol

Like it recognizes it just as a screen lol

[topaz shale]

this is a silly

[ebon spire]

This is a trial run of linux I'm not comitted but um I already like quite a few features lol

[topaz shale]

when i was on bazzite it was the same

lots of features i liked, but i switched back to W11 because i needed the gaming performance

[ebon spire]

One that I'm excited to fuck around with, my Focusrite Solo, Windows just sees it as 1 input

[warm hinge]

Congrats man welcome to the open source family

[ebon spire]

CachyOS sees the mic input and the instrument input as 2 seperate audio sources

[topaz shale]

you should be able to either use direct audio or "Pro audio" which uses JACK which are both technically lossless

[ebon spire]

I'm gonna cream my tar heels pj pants lol

I thought lossless was reserved for the macOS fiends lol

Question how is the latency if anybody has ever tried recording music on linux?

[topaz shale]

i think when using JACK your latency is almost absent

but it uses a good chunk of processing power

Direct just lets the interface handle it

i could also be making this up. i dont know a lot about the different audio processors.

[azure topaz]

jack

[rigid fjord]

hehehe

[fallow yacht]

oh hi

[rigid fjord]

sup

[flat cliff]

I 3D printed a case that says up to 4 drive bays and up to 5 120mm fans. But I can't get enough clearance on the bottom for the two HDDs I'm trying to get in the bottom of the case, if I GWR the drives the sata cables don't have room to stick out.

It says can fit the hard drives though so idk am I missing something?

https://makerworld.com/models/1740435?appSharePlatform=copy

[fallow yacht]

lol you gotta look at this

[tidal geyser]

using the best distro too, totally not biased

[tidal geyser]

and we do not even market it as a gaming distro

btw go to the cachyos site and look athe the user of the console window and say their name

[ebon spire]

Oh Heck its the youuu

[tidal geyser]

:3

[ebon spire]

Well just wanted to say I really like your OS so far, if I could somehow end up getting VR to work properly on here for like VRChat I'd be sold for forever and omg the way the audio sources work in your OS as a musician I say thank you

[tidal geyser]

well i do not do any dev work im just a admin and helper

this might be nice to know about

[ebon spire]

I have an Nvidia GPU 🙁

[tidal geyser]

should work on nvidia

[ebon spire]

Follow up then because I have an index and not a quest lol

[tidal geyser]

but i myself have not had any luck with VR yet but now rebuilding my desktop pc i will try once more

[tidal geyser]

what happens if you just try steam vr?

[ebon spire]

Um idk haven't tried it yet lol

But I know that Cachy was trying to use my index as a display lol

but I should try it and report back

[tidal geyser]

yea

[ebon spire]

Ignroe it missing the one lighthouse that light house is just fucked on its own lol

[tidal geyser]

what DE?

oh wait kde

[ebon spire]

Yeah

[tidal geyser]

wayland kde should work just fine

well as a minimum

omg i think wayland is the issue

or not, i dono

seems like people are raving on about https://gitlab.com/gabmus/envision

[ebon spire]

Ooo okay Ill try it

[tidal geyser]

always fun when something just works on their machine

if its still broken you can try and make a post in here https://discord.com/channels/862292009423470592/1400865136373403708 high chance someone else has faced this issue and fixed it there.

[ebon spire]

Like its promising that it recognizes it kinda lol

[tidal geyser]

it did for me too even one game started i believe but then it never worked again

but i will try once more soon.tm

[ebon spire]

Is there a way to make it not need a password every time I want to install something?

[tidal geyser]

yes but its highly discouraged

passwordless sudo

[ebon spire]

Envision says this so maybe thats the issue or something

[tidal geyser]

you using the aur package?

Getting started#

Upon launching Envision, you will need to select a profile on the bottom of the left side bar.

Profiles that are available by default:

Lighthouse driver: Proprietary SteamVR Lighthouse driver with top tracking quality. Recommended for Lighthouse HMDs.

it really should just work
https://wiki.vronlinux.org/docs/fossvr/envision/

[ebon spire]

I think I might have it also funny that Discord is giving me a quest for MS Azure after I left windows lol

Thank you Sim XD I'm stupid turns out the stuff that was issues was in preferences in envison lol

[tidal geyser]

noice, is it working now?

or well working well

[zinc cargo]

So much for a mac being reliable, this is the second time in 4 months ive had to bring it in to get fixed (ive had it since august) December had to get my logic board replaced due to the battery ic dying and today it seems like either my backlight or gpu dying (signs are pointing towards gpu)

[ebon spire]

No I tried to start it and it says I need to install Monado

[granite sparrow]

im looking to buy a standalone microphone as i keep encountering issues with all, and i mean all my pc audio playing through my mic, even when muted (the mute button on the mic -- this was with a steel series arctive nova 1p)
whats a good standalone mic i could get with a budget of like £50

[tidal geyser]

yea i read a bit more and saw it might have been needed

there are so many tools

always fun when stuff is split

[ebon spire]

Yeah I'm learning that lol

[tidal geyser]

try
paru -S monado

[ebon spire]

thigns are doing things so mayhaps thats good news

I'm so sorry I'm a linux virgin so i have 0 idea what I'm doing with some of this stuff lol

[tidal geyser]

Cough, I might not be a massive amount better

I mostly just needed to use Linux to update my soldering iron but never went back to windows for the most part

I just learnt what I needed, and did not care much for anything else

But I was active and nice enough to be promoted to admin on cachy and from there I have been helping with certain thing

[ebon spire]

Its certainly tryinglol but for some reason everytime I hit start now it just stops itself

[tidal geyser]

you might also wanna save this

[tidal geyser]

paru -S xrizer lib32-xrizer

no wait

vr is a pain in de ass

[ebon spire]

Ive already got xrizer

or got it setup for xrizer

[tidal geyser]

tried this page?
https://wiki.vronlinux.org/docs/resonite/crashing/

[ebon spire]

Thats wher eI am right now actually lol

[tidal geyser]

xd

i just gave up myself last time i tried VR and just bit the bullet and booted back into windows for the first time in months

[ebon spire]

That migth be how things end up or I do have an extra like m.2 drive I just don't have the m.2 screws, so I might just install windows on this other drive and just use it for VR

[empty quartz]

@azure topaz what is a “faster game road” i was looking at aliexpress and saw this

[azure topaz]

a game road duh

[ebon spire]

Thats my favorite mario kart track

[empty quartz]

Ah, thanks

[ebon spire]

Leave it to a furry to have a possible tutorial and they area lso using CachyOS

[sharp ivy]

lol

although the most helpful videos are usually the ones by a random channel with 29 subscribers and a very strong accent

[ebon spire]

@tidal geyser Their envision looks different then mine

[tidal geyser]

no clue

[ebon spire]

I'm gonna take a break but if I figrue it out I'll let you know lol

[south arrow]

Shout out to the middle east for helping me bypass pixel login couldnt do it w/o them lol

Arabic keyboard at the time still had the web function button

Thus allowing you into the web to login and become the last login user but that was ages ago

[north hill]

arrived a bit early (Dell RTX 2080-Ti OEM)

rear IO shield was slightly bent, but it was very easy to fix

[south arrow]

Yee old plyers, solid gpu. Hopefully last you many years

[left dove]

I love my old turing bby

[north hill]

i'll probably have it until i can afford a 50 or 60 series (when it releases)

[south arrow]

Thats fair should hold ya over

[north hill]

definitely a great card

[green fern]

In other news.

https://futurism.com/science-energy/data-centers-construction-supply

[flat cliff]

I've got a network card PCIE or PCI whatever the short slot it (not full GPU length) it works without this being plugged in so what is it for and where do I plug it in?

[green fern]

But y'all need to remember how nvidia treated gamers

As second fiddle to datacenters.

[odd marsh]

I love nvidia

[green fern]

If theres actually a bubble about to burst, nvidia is up the creek without a paddle.

[odd marsh]

Might be usb I can’t recall

[green fern]

Yes thats a usb header.

[left dove]

read the manual, but it looks like its keyed for USB internally. Probably for using the card if it's free-floating in the case and not in a slot

[green fern]

Usb 2

[left dove]

yes ty captain obv

I totally thought it was a thunderbolt header tysm for your ingenuity

[green fern]

Its probably for Bluetooth if you have it? If youre not using all of the headers, no harm in plugging it in.

[formal sonnet]

Does the network card have Bluetooth by chance? What is the exact make / model of card?

Most PCIe network cards with Bluetooth require a USB header be plugged in for Bluetooth to function.

[left dove]

I've got money on it being for using the card outside of a pcie slot

[left dove]

I have never seen this tbqh

[odd marsh]

I’ve bought a WiFi card before and it did this, it’s pretty neat ngl

[green fern]

I doubt the headers alone could supply enough power for the wifi and Bluetooth modems

[left dove]

that's.. dumb

[green fern]

Power and data i should say.

[left dove]

just pass the bluetooth thru the pcie slot like..

[green fern]

Especially usb 2.0

[left dove]

one internal usb header is 2 ports, so that's about 1.5a@5v

[odd marsh]

I wonder if it’s to mimic the BT devices as USB

[green fern]

Usb 2.0 is 5v at .5a

[left dove]

I hate this thought

[left dove]

but if its TWO PORTS ON ONE HEADER

as internal fucking usb headers are wired for

[green fern]

Yes...thats 1 amp

So 5w

[odd marsh]

That’s my first thought

[left dove]

and nowadays the 5v rail is kinda beefed so power can be higher on single ports nowadays

[left dove]

that.. that makes no sense

onboard wifi+bt devices on motherboards dont use usb

and thats essentially what third party wifi cards are

[green fern]

Well unless you have bifurcation on the card and the motherboard supports it, then you don't need it

But if both devices dont have whats necessary to have that. Then...yeah probably

[left dove]

why would it need bifurcation if it's one dev id and 2 devices behind it

its a 1x slot, there's no bifurcating

[pulsar root]

do yall use tailscale or good ol' wireguard? i use both, tailscale on my offsite OMV, wireguard to just vpn into my network. prob just just use one lol

[left dove]

wifi+BT is integrated into one SOC with two different radios. it's one hwid to the system

[green fern]

You need to separate one slot into multiple with the signals to address more than one device per slot

Like two nvme drives in a card

[left dove]

that.. no

[odd marsh]

Tailscale

[green fern]

Need to split the signals up

[left dove]

its ONE CHIP. TWO RADIOS.

[grizzled frost]

your board either needs PCIe Bifurcation to address a dual NVMe Carrier card, or the card needs a built in PCIe switch

[left dove]

not TWO CHIPS

[green fern]

Thats if they designed it like that

[flat cliff]

How would it free float it has a PCIE connector or are you talking if I took it off its bracket?

[pulsar root]

im always eyeing to rid myself reliance of corp middleman services, and tailscale is somehow both one and not at the same time lol

[grizzled frost]

Lol you do not need bifurcation for a wifi+BT card

Every card in existence is a single chip lol

[flat cliff]

Also I no idea the brand so how I get manual?

[left dove]

its ONE single SOC driving the radios and acting as the pcie device. there is no fucking bifurcation

[green fern]

Again, thats if they wired the card that way, along with using one chip for the bt and wifi modem

[left dove]

if it was installed in a slot in the case, but not in the motherboard, you could probably use that usb header to run the card

[south arrow]

Gpu yiss

[left dove]

thats how they're ALL WIRED YOU NEMATODE

[grizzled frost]

That is how every Wifi card in existence is wired my friend

[odd marsh]

Tailscale has been good for me so far

[left dove]

EVERY fucking m.2 wifi+bt module is wired like that

[grizzled frost]

The fact you just called it a "modem" lets me know you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

yeah, bifurcation within an M.2 slot isn't even a thing

[flat cliff]

Probably does I think I saw Linus on a wan show once say something about he is unaware of a WiFi module that doesn't also have BT but I don't know the make or model of card. I can maybe just mess around and plug into a USB2 header? I have no front IO to be taking up a slot from.

[left dove]

you can't bifurcate a single pcie lane

yeah pcie gen5 0.5

[grizzled frost]

Even on multi lane M.2 slots, there is no bifurcation that can occur, let alone single lane slots designed for an wifi card

[median carbon]

@grizzled frost Remember negative braincells?

[grizzled frost]

I'm reminded daily, i work in customer service

[flat cliff]

Maybe still not sure why it would ever be done like that besides maybe a shitty OEM PC but it was sold as a stand alone card so I can't see why anyone ever would.

[median carbon]

mmm

[south arrow]

Feels, I dont miss doing phone tech support

[left dove]

because if its an older pc with no pcie slots available?..

most older pcs have an internal usb header, like

[green fern]

Oh so you designed every one of them on the market so you know how they all work then?

[left dove]

No I have near 20 years of experience in this field bro, step off lmao

[green fern]

Sorry I doubted you master engineer of all electronics.

[grizzled frost]

My brother in christ, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and it shows

[green fern]

That all companies go to

[south arrow]

They are just saying, no biggie

[green fern]

And you act like you know it all

[left dove]

theres these things called technical standards that people abide by, that makes it easy to know how 99% of most products work my dude

[green fern]

Cool

[grizzled frost]

Find me a single M.2 Wifi card with separate Wifi and BT chips, a single one

[sleek ibex]

[left dove]

I know a lot more than you that's for tiddly-winkin' sure

[south arrow]

Not all they just know this thing, and a few other things ofc

[green fern]

And a Chinese adapter is definitely going to follow them lol

[grizzled frost]

i'm so stealing the phrase "tiddly-winkin'"