tech-chat-1

[vital zenith]

Well the ball is back in Intel's court. In the meantime I should find the actual game developer support email and ask if they know what's up.

[rigid fjord]

pst = power share technology, it's how they daisy chain them

[gusty wagon]

I enjoy your advice as much as a beloved shot of reserva exclusiva

<3

[hardy horizon]

Yeah you might want to see if somebody has one that you can try out, Even now, Windows is in particularly amazing using touch inputs.

[gusty wagon]

Derek's like a watered-down malibu

[urban dune]

u asked and we answered

[hardy horizon]

If nothing is maxed out or doing weird load on load cycles then it's the game and hardware is not going to fix it.

[gusty wagon]

Yes but neat is the way

[flat cliff]

Ah, but the listing without PST in the title also has pics of it daisy chaining and then they also have a max version that's the same size fan and seems to be same specs but less idk? Maybe something is different?

[dusty sky]

maybe yea

i kinda only have windows installed for lockdown browser and cad
and adobe actually

[warm linden]

Read my previous message

[dusty sky]

i main linux for everything else

[rigid fjord]

not enough performance there that an OC to the 7900xtx couldn't match tbh, unlike a 5090 or rtx 6000 pro in comparison

[urban dune]

the 5080 ocs very well

[rigid fjord]

if it doesn't directly have pst on the end, it don't daisy chain

[dusty sky]

i think ill end up doing used thinkpad and galaxy tab or oneplus tablet maybe

thinkpads have good battery life generally right?

[flat cliff]

What's the diff between the pro max and regular just curious?

[rigid fjord]

some do, look for p14/p16 or t14 models

[dusty sky]

ok

[urban dune]

its like the 5080 vs 4090 both can be oced

[rigid fjord]

rpm's and static pressure

[rigid fjord]

2% difference in performance between a 5080 and 7900xtx, and that can be obtained via OC and alos is within a margin of error

[fringe prairie]

depends

[urban dune]

really?

[fringe prairie]

i’d also take a look at elitebooks. hps version of the thinkpad for less than a thinkpad

[dusty sky]

also theres this, good deal?

the seller apparently doesnt reply back often so hopefully he replies

[rigid fjord]

yes, depends on how well someone does the OC to the 7900xtx

[urban dune]

you can oc the 5080 better

[formal sonnet]

Impossible to say without knowing the exact CPU, RAM, and storage configuration, as well as the battery cycle count.

[rigid fjord]

would need to see the specs but something tells me no quite quickly about it

this is the pst part to arctic fans @flat cliff

[flat cliff]

OK I think I'm just gonna return the fans and pick up the same ones with PTS from micro center. Assuming nobody buys them tonight or tomorrow morning they have 2 open box ones for $7 that's a dollar more on amazon I think? Not the 5 pack but I already own two case fans and so what if I spend $5 more its not gonna take a week to ship.

[ivory mountain]

in raw performance theyre close but id buy a 9070xt for the native fsr4 support

[urban dune]

5080 is faster than both and it has dlss4.5 and better rt and cuda

[hardy horizon]

Do not pay anything more than the prices listed here.

[hardy horizon]

Oh I misunderstood, yeah that's a downgrade, why change down?

[hardy horizon]

No.

[ivory mountain]

No shit the 5080 is also $1300

No point in buying a 5080 when the 5070ti exists tho tbh

[urban dune]

5080 is way faster in llm

[ivory mountain]

Who cares its $300 more than the 5070ti minimum

[hardy horizon]

5070Ti 16GB are $1k tho.

[dusty sky]

what site is this

[ivory mountain]

Yeah and the cheapest 5080 is 1300

Cheapest 9070xt is $729.99

Idk why derek even brought up a 5080

[urban dune]

cuz i thought they wanted a upgrade

[hardy horizon]

Yeah so it's 30% more $ to buy, offers 20% more performance, and will resale for 40% more down the line.

[ivory mountain]

Fair enough

[hardy horizon]

Bestlaptop.deals

[dusty sky]

i needed that site lmao

[swift stream]

one of the good uses of ai lol

[rigid fjord]

up to you dude, the multi pack is the one i'd go for personally, if you can't get a 5 pack of them the alternative would be thermalright tcl's

[gusty wagon]

I'm back. Honestly, i've fallen out of keeping up with performance and pricing

My uncle wants a low-budget PC for his kid, to run roblox studio and minecraft

1. Core 5, Core 7, R5 or R7
2. 16GB RAM
3. 1TB SSD
4. the equivalent of a 60- or 70- class GPU

[hardy horizon]

It's okay, It only lists things that have affiliate revenue links available for them. And like I understand. I do try to avoid models that have not been reviewed by Just Josh because at least his reviews are fairly consistent.

[dusty sky]

lol

[hardy horizon]

Gaminglaptops.deals is Jarrods website

[hardy horizon]

I should probably explain, It's Just Josh's website

[gusty wagon]

Other than playground, apple has been pretty handy with their implementation of AI

[dusty sky]

i dont watch much tech yt lately, especially not ltt

[urban dune]

budget?

[gusty wagon]

Apple* intelligence, not artificial intelligence

[hardy horizon]

70 class? So not low budget at all because you're talking about a PC that's going to be at least $2,000.

(70- class is 5070Ti BARELY)

[gusty wagon]

Those specs are likely a recommendation from a retail employee. They're asking for a build below 1000SGD (750USD)

[rigid fjord]

amd wise, you'd be looking at either a 7640/8640/8645 or 7840/8840/8845 cpu wise which you can just game on the igpu easily for those games, of you can fork out a good chunk and look into getting a laptop with the 8060s in on amd side or a b390 on intel's side

[urban dune]

i think nvidia 60 class like 4060 5060

[rigid fjord]

tbf 5070 is completely skippable when it comes to mobile dgpu's, it's either 5060 or go straight to 507ti

[hardy horizon]

Oh umm .. is APU okay?

[gusty wagon]

I was thinking of APU, too

[hardy horizon]

Same on desktop tbh.

[rigid fjord]

like i said, for amd side, these be the cpu's to look at, intel side you'd want to look at core ultra 200 series or panther lake with the b390's

[gusty wagon]

I forwarded your advice to him

[hardy horizon]

With that budget it basically NEEDS to be unless You are willing to go used. Assuming You want anything resembling reasonable perf/$

[hardy horizon]

Wait laptop or desktop?

[rigid fjord]

760m/860m (gtx 1630 equivalent) on the r5's and 780m/880m (gtx 1650 equivalent) on the r7's on amd side

[gusty wagon]

The stupid thing is, the selection looks like a desktop list so i was intending for it to be used. However, the teacher who gave out the recommendation prefers new over used

[urban dune]

teacher?

[gusty wagon]

Why am i doing a presales role for infra acquisition

I owe yall one. Still, its too early on a saturday

[flat cliff]

I could but I don't need all 5 I'm paying more per fan but I don't need as many. My case now has 2 but I need better airflow if I'm gonna switch to my 3D print one its only PETG. Or maybe I won't even buy a third fan and stick to 4 right now? Idk I'll see how it goes. Thanks for the help so far. Price per fan I think I'd pay one fan less for 2 less then the 5 pack I don't need.

Stuff to think about the open box fans are cheaper then amazon per fan in singles. Anyways thanks have what I need to decide now, should have checked amazon before so I don't make a second trip.

[hardy horizon]

Desktop honestly 8700G hits just right, pair with 1080p screen and boom great starting place.

[gusty wagon]

This is good

[rigid fjord]

this is quite literally a 7840h put on desktop format

[gusty wagon]

I know my uncle's budget and I was almost convinced he could get a Macbook Neo

[hardy horizon]

Now if you say hey I want a $500 laptop.... That gets more difficult because gaming APUs home turf is in laptops and OEM charge a premium.

[hardy horizon]

Yes I though They were building a PC, not just buying a laptop

[hardy horizon]

I mean .... No BUTTT m3 air 👀

[rigid fjord]

sometimes a laptop is the more budget friendly for what's going to be played on it, also depends on the kid's age

[gusty wagon]

I have a M3 Air

M3 iPad Air

[gusty wagon]

Oh yeah, he just now told me its for a 14yo niece

[hardy horizon]

I rarely see that be the case when you say $500 maxed budget. Because with the laptop you're paying for the keyboard the screen the case the battery, etc.

[hardy horizon]

Throw the magic keyboard on it sell it to him for $700. "komPutER"

[gusty wagon]

I just got it T_T

[hardy horizon]

They plays the fortz nite and amoungDus

[gusty wagon]

I use my ipad to read comics and watch youtube

[hardy horizon]

Tell them to use GeForce now in a browser on a $200 Chromebook 💅

https://tenor.com/view/theodoros-gif-18371963

[gusty wagon]

I would've sprung for the neo if i didn't get it

[hardy horizon]

It's slower than your ipad

By a lot

[gusty wagon]

Comes with warranty and a full laptop

[rigid fjord]

usually yeah, but i raise you these

[gusty wagon]

A charging brick, too

[hardy horizon]

Yeah but like 👀 a LOT slower ...

[gusty wagon]

I get you

[hardy horizon]

They said new

[gusty wagon]

prefers new

[rigid fjord]

used -new was stated

[gusty wagon]

My second choices for him would be a M2 macbook pro

[rigid fjord]

so new was preferable but at the same time, used can be considered if the specs are right

that elitebook with the 2tb nvme inside looks juicy

on a side note, anyone who's used a handheld that has the amd z1e inside already knows what the performance of a 7840u is like

[gusty wagon]

[hardy horizon]

Wouldn't you just m5 at that point?

[gusty wagon]

That's 60% over budget

[hardy horizon]

M2 pro chips, The battery life wasnt as good as m3 pro chips, but better performance.

[hardy horizon]

Ahh I thought it was selling for $999 us when new air is $1099 rn, less if you get a m4 that's in the 700's

[frail sequoia]

Is that intel based or apple silicon

[azure topaz]

unified memory, its apple

[hardy horizon]

So exactly what I originally said.
The NEO is designed for schools, because the m1 is expensive to manufacture and they finally stopped production in 2025.
For all intents and purposes the A18P is an m1(-) in multithread, and a m3(+) in single thread.

The ONLY miss was the battery, I know Apple doesn't like to do mixed material products and they had to make it out of aluminum if they wanted it to be able to be fanless...

But I would rather a 60wh battery vs the 36... Then we could GENUINELY have a conversation about 24-hour real world battery life.

[gusty wagon]

[urban dune]

does anyone here own a blackwidow v4 mini?

[versed ferry]

My M1 iPad Pro go BRRRRRRRRR. Love this thing. It even has 2TB of storage that I absolutely do not need for this device (Got it for over half off on Ebay brand new)

[topaz shale]

a18 probably performs better than m1 considering the iphones cooling got it just below m1

[flat cliff]

Does Intel need a new board at 6th gen or 7th gen? For CPU? My friend has a really old PC with a 6700k and not the money to just spend $300+ on new PC right now but we wanna emulate games like little big planner but 6700k slightly not able to fully run multiplayer. So can we put in 7th gen or need new board?

[grizzled nova]

gen 6,7,8,9 share lga 1151 socket

[flat cliff]

8th and 9th gen share the same board? So the random old OEM PC with a 6th gen can put in a 9700k?

I thought they same socket no allow bios upgrade for 8/9th gen?

Or no?

[grizzled nova]

this is correct
6/7 share a bios 8/9 share a bios
all share the same socket
so 6 cannot upgrade to 9th gen

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/u7cvdn/is_it_possible_to_swap_out_a_6th_gen_i5_for_a_9th/

i hear that you can mod it
but no clue how

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1057525-9th-gen-cpu-in-a-6th-gen-motherboard/

[flat cliff]

So only 7th gen upgrade that's not that much extra dam.

[grizzled nova]

yea
i7 7700k is the best for lga 1151-1

[rigid fjord]

1151 has 2 versions of the socket, it requires a mod of the cpu and also messing with the bios to get a 9th gen cpu working on a mobo for 6th gen

[grizzled nova]

intel really likes to release the same socket twice

[rigid fjord]

nope, this is the only time they released the same socket twice

[grizzled nova]

2011-X

[rigid fjord]

completely different tbh, it's not the same as how 1151 has a v1 and v2

[grizzled nova]

ok

[rigid fjord]

1151 v1 = 6th +7th gen, 1151v2 = 8th + 9th gen

it's a minor change in the pad layout

[grizzled nova]

2011-1 = 2011v1 + 2011v2, 2011-3 = 2011v3 + 2011v4

but i get what youre saying

[rigid fjord]

1151 v1 pinout

1151 v2 pinout

[flat cliff]

OK so that not happening just getting them to upgrade the CPU at all will be a lot. I don't know them in person and I doubt they know what a bios is and if I try and explain they call it big scary at least at first. Dam so just 7th gen it is that not much better then the 6700k they have and the 6700k not quite able to reliably do LBP multiplayer emulation.

[rigid fjord]

yeah, 7700k would be the one to get

[flat cliff]

Dam, that's back when its margin of error better per CPU release from Intel? The only reason a few gen later better for real is margin of error better adds up after a while?

[warm anvil]

Ello

[flat cliff]

Isn't that not much better? Or I wrong?

[warm anvil]

Is this coolio

I swapped from hyprland to niri

[flat cliff]

I know it better but like it worth convincing them to buy the CPU and do the upgrade when they call this big scary already or?

If its 1-2% better it not worth it.

[grizzled nova]

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_6700k-vs-intel_core_i7_7700k
its like 7%

[rigid fjord]

it's better, i believe it has multithreading

[flat cliff]

OK so I'll think about it. I wanna convince them because I wanna play LBP together and rpcs3 people (well someone on the discord) said yeah for single player but maybe prob not but try it for multi player.

So better CPU will help that and they have the i7 when i5 is min spec for some other games they play like farming sim so it help there as well but idk you can always play at slightly less then min spec to boot so yeah not to helpful min specs.

Anyways but they don't got much money at all so...it be little hard to convince them to upgrade especially if it not to much performance and they would call doing all this scary they that kinda person even though I solder motherboard fixes for lunch with my skill. (OK not the missing pin LGA sockets but the other kind.)

[flat cliff]

I thought the 6th gen also had that?

[formal sonnet]

Depends on which processor. If you're referring to the i7-6700k, then yes, it had Hyperthreading.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=97129,88195

[flat cliff]

Dam 7th gen i7s go for like $50 still that's dirt cheap to me but not to them they in Europe so prob more like $60 and to them they less fortunate in Germany so that not just yeah what the hell kinda money especially after they just bought farm sim 25.

I want them to upgrade so they can play farm sim and little big planner together a little better but might have to just say let's see how it goes with what you got. (I would have advised against farm sim and they bought off discount code website seeing as i5 6500 is min spec but they no ask me and no returns now).

[flat cliff]

Yes I was talking 6700k vs whatever you can put in the prebuilt motherboard that it has.

It looks like that's a 7700k and that just looks like an over clocked 6700k. So dam basically no with the budget they have that not good enough to tell them to buy with how little performance gain there is (or I wrong on this) the fact that they in Europe and how much the CPU off eBay gonna cost and that they financially less fortunate then a lot of us.

[formal sonnet]

At this point, I would not upgrade from a 6th gen to 7th gen processor. They're better off saving their money to upgrade to a whole new platform. Intel's 6th / 7th gen CPUs are 10 and 9 years old, respectively, at this point.

[flat cliff]

Prob not that that ever gonna be any time soon. $35-40 for me is nothing I'll say fuck it, go to the movies and spend that on a pretzel the tickers and popcorn alone but I know I'm more fortunate then most (maybe not in US but a lot still here as well).

I wanna tell them to just upgrade and be slightly smoother for the gaming together but we might just needa make what they have work unfortunately so rough farm sim and maybe maybe not LBP online dam.

[plain cypress]

Yikes

[obtuse yew]

Got these for free today courtesy of the American healthcare system being wasteful as hell, I'm aware that these are haswell era products but what can I do with them?

I really only see usability in two of the things here but maybe someone has ideas

[formal sonnet]

The RAM could be installed in a compatible PC. Same with the CPUs. Same with the GPU.

If you don't have a compatible PC, you could get one, or sell them as parts to someone else.

[obtuse yew]

I could, but the ram is rdimm which is where the issue arises

The compatibility is abysmal dogshit

[grizzled frost]

install it in any board that supports RDIMMs

there's dozens of platforms, and hundreds of mobos/cpus

[obtuse yew]

Hmmmmmmm

Suggestions?

[grizzled frost]

anything with rdimm support, take your pick

[rapid forum]

I have a school
Lenovo 300e Yoga Chromebook Gen 4
Disabled: dev mode LDE crosh USB boot

[obtuse yew]

Like you said, there are hundreds of CPUs, I have no idea where to start here

[rapid forum]

How do I add my own browser based on Chromium?

[grizzled frost]

i mean start by deciding what you actually want to do with said computer

[grizzled frost]

if you don't know how to answer this question, you don't have the relevant skills to design your own browser

[obtuse yew]

Oh hey I have this exact Chromebook and probably an equally restrictive district, you are locked to chrome and bing iirc

[grizzled frost]

contact the system supervisor and have them unlock it for you, otherwise we're unable to help you as doing so would be illegal

[obtuse yew]

Most likely a server of some sort, thinking about storing games on it

[grizzled frost]

"a server of some sort" is equivalent to saying "a computer of some sort"

[rapid forum]

I hate the restrictions and need to design this browser as a school project luckily I have an unrestricted M5 max for development

[grizzled frost]

get an LGA 2011-3 system and have fun

[grizzled frost]

contact the system supervisor and have them unlock it for you, otherwise we're unable to help you as doing so would be illegal
or just use that M5 max

[obtuse yew]

I was looking into that, there are so many cheap x99 boards on eBay

[grizzled frost]

Take your pick of ones that have the features you want

[rapid forum]

I can’t really bring a 16 inch personal device into 6th grade

[grizzled frost]

Real quick, how old are you

13 or <13

[obtuse yew]

[rapid forum]

13

[grizzled frost]

I'm gonna just pretend you're 100% truthful and go with that

[obtuse yew]

Just sweep the elephant in the room under that rug over there...

[grizzled frost]

I mean if it's a school project, how exactly does the teacher intend for you to do the project

[rapid forum]

It’s coding and I got crosh unlocked for it but 4GB of RAM would take days to build Chromium

[grizzled frost]

Again, it's a school project presumably assigned by a teacher, ask said teacher how you are meant to work on the project

[rapid forum]

Ok I’ll do that Monday

[obtuse yew]

Apparently one of those cheap microatx boards out of china actually supports it

And it can be bought brand new

[grizzled frost]

no one actually manufacturers X99 boards anymore, "brand new" means sitting in a warehouse for the last 6+ years

[formal sonnet]

New-old stock. Not always a bad thing... just something to keep in mind. Certain components (like capacitors) don't stay minty fresh on a shelf forever. You're unlikely to get warranty support for new-old stock either.

[obtuse yew]

Still unused tho

[obtuse yew]

Unfortunately they don't stay minty fresh when they have been in use by a server for the last 10 years either

[grizzled frost]

buy from ebay, and make sure you get something with a return policy

[obtuse yew]

I will eventually, I have another project I'm working on right now and I happened to get my hands on this stuff

[unborn whale]

Alright odd question

I’m looking to get a camera for my dorm room and I was looking into just getting a really long cable and connecting it to my computer and running background code to have it detect people and everything.

My one issue is finding a cheap camera that doesn’t have some shitty 2 foot cable that can’t be removed.

Any suggestions for cameras? Don’t need anything fancy

Maybe not an odd question it seems average.

Addition: cannot connect to internet

Edit: at least not a required connection

[obtuse yew]

Extension cable

[gusty wagon]

No, no

13-25 and 25-50

[grizzled frost]

i hate that i'm in that first category with literal children

[gusty wagon]

... hah

[glossy veldt]

i find this place to be trustable

Iroh, how to backup an entire hard drive over an ethernet cable?

context, i have a compaq presario m2000 with all the stuff and XP, I don't want XP but i want to keep a backup of it

[frosty oriole]

Weird question, but are there any monitors that behave like TVs?
I'm trying to use a capture card to capture my Steam Deck, and it won't display a video out on any computer monitor. On TVs, it works completely fine. But I don't have space for a TV on my desk.

[glossy veldt]

there are small tvs

my little brother has a 19" tv as his monitor and works fine with hdmi

so there are tvs that look like monitors

[frosty oriole]

Jeez, that's small haha. I'll have to see what there is then.

[glossy veldt]

its good for 1080p and built in graphics

[wheat torrent]

Is this thing fast enough for a sata to usb adapter

[glossy veldt]

usb of the devil

[wheat torrent]

I assume this allows my monitor to have working usb port

God damn there are 2 of them per monitor

I have total of 6

[glossy veldt]

they're usb B 3.0

ig they'll work for external storage unless you are hooking anything faster than an SSD

[brave brook]

it's USB3, usually used for PC to monitor connection, for printers (but those usually only do 2.0) and for 3.5" hard drive adapters.

[glossy veldt]

oh i was going Paranoid with the Sata 3 part

[brave brook]

(damn, typing SATA3 instead of USB3, early hours)

literally just woke up LOL

[glossy veldt]

3 am here, we're on the same deliriums

[wheat torrent]

Ah so it wouldn't be able to reach 400MB/s

Its whatever then

[glossy veldt]

in fact, usb b 3.0 is supposed to reach 450mb/s

[brave brook]

like this

[wheat torrent]

Oh really

Just to explain further, I have a simple sata to usb adapter but it's very short

And my computer is pretty far away so it's hard for me to swap drives

And was thinking what if I connect it to the monitor

[brave brook]

if it uses the same connector, yes, you can replace it, up to 3 meters offcially for USB3

[wheat torrent]

But anyways side topic...

I thought maybe I can use the stand my monitor came with to get one of my monitors to be the same height but why the hell is this thing so big

[brave brook]

if monitor has USB3 hub, sure, that is the point of USB hubs

[wheat torrent]

Yeah I have 6 of those cables

[brave brook]

no, i meant you can obviously use that cable if the target device already has the connector for that cable

[wheat torrent]

Hmmm wait is it 400MB/s split across 2 usb a

[brave brook]

well yes, if you use both at same time. You can still just use a long cable instead, if 3 meters is 'long enough'

[wheat torrent]

Also sata to usb is already one adapter

If I do sata to usb to monitor to PC

won't there be too much overhead?

[brave brook]

again, no.

[glossy veldt]

monitor and usb hub are different things

you are doing sata to usb to usb

only issue would be if the monitor hub is passive rather than active

[wheat torrent]

But there is still a hub in the monitor I assume that converts

[brave brook]

USB 3.0 extension cables are also a thing

[wheat torrent]

True

[glossy veldt]

also what are you copying that you need the 400 mb/s

[wheat torrent]

What I'm supposed to do with 40cm cable

[glossy veldt]

if it's a spinning hard drive I'll blow up

[wheat torrent]

Sata ssd

[glossy veldt]

video files? games? documents?

[wheat torrent]

Anything

Projects, games and other shit anything

[glossy veldt]

you do also know that if both pcs are connected to the same modem you can use a shared folder

[glossy veldt]

and most of the times Ethernet cables and ports on modern pcs are gigabit+ even if your data plan is like 300 mbps the system can operate at gigabit

[glossy veldt]

you need a nas dude

[wheat torrent]

I already have a nas

[glossy veldt]

my goodness

[wheat torrent]

Also 1000Mbps is not enough for sata SSDs

[grizzled frost]

that’s like 10k in silicon in this economy

[wheat torrent]

It will saturate whole bandwidth

[brave brook]

hopefully you connect each of them to the PC at least once a 3 months, or more often.

[wheat torrent]

Yep

So it's fine to connect them to my monitors?

[grizzled frost]

NAS’s aren’t limited to gigabit

[wheat torrent]

My hardware is

[grizzled frost]

my NAS is 10g, and i could aggregate up to 40g

[wheat torrent]

I will upgrade sometime

[brave brook]

yes

[fringe solstice]

what do you guys think is the solution for the ram prices?

[grizzled frost]

waiting till the AI bubble pops

[glossy veldt]

buy a ddr2 server with 256gb of ram

[wheat torrent]

Nothing you can do

[grizzled frost]

or theft

[wheat torrent]

Its out of your control, don't try to control something outside your control

Anyways

[fringe solstice]

what if it never pop

[formal sonnet]

Waiting for the heat death of society Machine Learning bubble to pop.

[grizzled frost]

it will

[brave brook]

i seen that dumb video too 😄

[wheat torrent]

This is so infuriating

I cannot to align anything I hate it

I thought about using the monitor stand that it came with but it takes so much space (side monitors)

[fringe solstice]

only if they create a new type of ram cheaper and more affordable with the same properties, hmmmmm...

[glossy veldt]

"this is so infuriating"

[wheat torrent]

What

It definitely is

[fringe solstice]

why?

[grizzled frost]

not possible

[wheat torrent]

Because I don't have access to purchase good monitor arms in my country

[wheat torrent]

That's why

[grizzled frost]

also the price to produce the ram isn’t the problem

[wheat torrent]

Can relate

[grizzled frost]

it’s the demand to supply ratio

[fringe solstice]

where do you live at?

[wheat torrent]

Moldova

[grizzled frost]

it’s a largely fixed supply, with an ever growing demand

[fringe solstice]

is who controls it, right?

[glossy veldt]

fuck you all with all the letters

[fringe solstice]

oh

[grizzled frost]

nope, it’s the fact the demand is through the roof and into the stratosphere

[glossy veldt]

you make a problem and sell a solution

[grizzled frost]

what

[fringe solstice]

well... take a look

[glossy veldt]

that's

way more pixels my dude

[fringe solstice]

hmmmm, makes sense

[grizzled frost]

ram supply is also largely fixed, since it essentially runs at max production constantly, and takes years to expand the production capabilities

[fringe solstice]

what matters is not how many pixels but how big is your screen i think, i probably heard it somewhere

[grizzled frost]

both matters

[wheat torrent]

Did they change their mind about not wanting to expand production?

[grizzled frost]

No, but it takes years to build new fabs

[wheat torrent]

Or they still standing on business

[glossy veldt]

1044480 pixels (768p) vs 1440000 pixels

[wheat torrent]

Yeah but they said they won't anyways

[formal sonnet]

Even if they decide to expand production, it can take multiple business years to actually produce...

[grizzled frost]

who is “they”

and why wouldn’t they?

[wheat torrent]

One of the 2 from south korea

[fringe solstice]

that's true and is very expensive to build more factories and being able to atend the demand

[wheat torrent]

I mean there was an official response a while ago it was few months

[glossy veldt]

yall crying abt ram

[grizzled frost]

the cost isn’t really the issue, it’s the time investment

[grizzled frost]

i’m not, i got enough ram

[fringe solstice]

the big monopolies

[glossy veldt]

i say that

[grizzled frost]

a plurality of “monopoly” is rather funny

[fringe solstice]

true

[fringe solstice]

well, i wish we had enough competition for this market

[dusky spindle]

is it normal for my system to become extremley unstable after any type of overclocking?

[fringe solstice]

looks cool

[glossy veldt]

it's really rare and in fact you should buy a new pc and give me your old one

[grizzled frost]

it’s not even that they go out of their way to become monopolies, it’s just that it’s incredibly difficult to produce high quality, high yield samples in mass

[wheat torrent]

Rather than rapidly expanding facilities, we will pursue a strategy of maintaining long-term profitability.

We will minimize the risk of oversupply through a capital expenditure (CAPEX) strategy that balances customer demand and pricing.

– Samsung – via Hankyung

[dusky spindle]

its a pc recentley upgraded from a ryzen 7 1700 to a ryzen 9 5900xt

[fringe solstice]

100% since youre going beyond what is expected normally when we are talking about perfomance

[grizzled frost]

given you’re asking that, you’re inexperienced with overclocking, which means it’s quite easy for you to cause instability

[glossy veldt]

well, overclocking is making hardware run at above it's designed specifications it's obvious that it'll become unstable

[wheat torrent]

This was a while ago so I'm wondering if they changed their mind

[dusky spindle]

oh ok

[grizzled frost]

that it can become unstable, not that it will

[glossy veldt]

don't overclock

[fringe solstice]

damn dude, i wish it was far easier

[glossy veldt]

you get negligible performance gains on new hardware

[grizzled frost]

lithography hard

[grizzled frost]

cpus, yes, ram, depends, gpu, depends

[fringe solstice]

i have seen a video about it, it is extremely difficult to make those chips, especially for processors

[glossy veldt]

have you seen the dude who made his own lithography

and made his own chip

i mean it's not complicated to understand but the actual practice is insane even for decades ago

[fringe solstice]

guys, why we can increase much more violently the clock of a integrated gpu than of a dedicated gpu

[glossy veldt]

and newer technologies literally explode mercury beads at an amazing rate

[fringe solstice]

thats soooo coool

[glossy veldt]

igpus don't run that fast i think

[fringe solstice]

yeah, it is like rocket science stuff

[glossy veldt]

and since when can you increase their clock

[wheat torrent]

Interesting thingamajib

[glossy veldt]

such a thing

[formal sonnet]

Nice. A headphone hanger.

[wheat torrent]

One would have to read the manual to understand what it does

Never mind

[wheat torrent]

That's extremely useful actually

[fringe solstice]

well, i will give you an example. i have a ryzen 5 8600g with its integrated graphics which run natively at 2.8ghz i could put it to run at 3.4ghz

[wheat torrent]

Bit I am unsure if I'll end up using the stands anyway there is no reason for the stand to be so god damn big

[glossy veldt]

40 gb hdd is brutal

[glossy veldt]

oh i never touched an amd processor from the Ryzen series lmao

[fringe solstice]

you can through the bios only

[wheat torrent]

Like why is the stand the same size as the monitor.... 32"

[glossy veldt]

my newest and most powerful cpu is an i3 10100f

[glossy veldt]

because that's the size of a fucking tv

[fringe solstice]

damn bro

[glossy veldt]

how do you even fit 32" of screen into your eyes

[fringe solstice]

sounds good, i will look that up

[glossy veldt]

its a good enough cpu

down in Argentina it's considered good

up there and to the right on Europe it's garbage and outdated

[frosty oriole]

Me getting 15 - 25% more performance on my CPU and 20 - 25% more performance on my GPU from overclocking:

[fringe solstice]

how could people not destroy the chat channel with spam and bad images in here, this sounds like a very pacific place and i like it

[glossy veldt]

moderators who lurk

[fringe solstice]

oh, so you are from argentina

[glossy veldt]

hi mod

[fringe solstice]

:).

[glossy veldt]

mhm

it's a big place with beautiful lands

[fringe solstice]

im above you though (geographically speaking)

[glossy veldt]

and horribly out of date technology

[fringe solstice]

similar to my country

[wheat torrent]

Yeah nevermind, same height as my arm mount except it takes most of my desk space...

[fringe solstice]

my honest question is; why there is so many monitors in the same place

[formal sonnet]

For desks where I can't use VESA mounting arms, this is why I avoid monitors that use V-shaped stands. I prefer the style of Dell's square base monitor stands.

[wheat torrent]

I mean I guess I could place the stand on some books

[wheat torrent]

Yeah it's pretty good

[wheat torrent]

Look at the other stand

Much smaller profile on the desk

But idk if that one is certified for curved 32"...

Yeah idk what to do

I guess I'll live with crooked monitors...

My cat is sitting on one of my other monitors

[fringe solstice]

cute cat

[wheat torrent]

That's not the usual response I get but I agree

[fringe solstice]

well, i thought at the first time looking at it that it was a rat. but i changed my mind to say it lol

but your cat looks unique, rare skin you cat got

[wheat torrent]

Usually it's rat, testicles and its synonyms, goblin and gremlin and other

He does feel like testicles especially when oily

Anyways

I shall try to figure this out

[wheat torrent]

Actually do y'all reckon I could sell those Samsung arm stands for anything worthwhile (right one)

[fringe solstice]

well, my question would be as follow; why do cats developed this type of skin

[wheat torrent]

They feel quite premium but no idea who would buy arm stands

[wheat torrent]

Human made

Selective breeding

Like pugs dogs

[fringe solstice]

yeah, i dont think that natural selection would allow something like this to exist. I dont see a lot of benefits on looking like this

[wheat torrent]

No hair is a benefit for human

[fringe solstice]

oh

[wheat torrent]

Except now they get skin cancer way easier

[fringe solstice]

i forgot that we dont have hair either

[wheat torrent]

And they can't regulate body temperature sometimes and die from heat

[fringe solstice]

it worked for us at least

[wheat torrent]

I don't mind my cat laying on my PC

[fringe solstice]

damn

[wheat torrent]

Though he did climb one time over my monitors because he couldn't sneak under them

[fringe solstice]

the good thing is since he/she doesn't have fur is far better since itll not left hair behind everywhere

[wheat torrent]

I'm glad I have arm mounts because if I had arm stands it would of been a different story

[fringe solstice]

oh, ain't you afraid of he breaking stuff?

[drowsy isle]

Upgrading my 14 pro max

[fringe solstice]

sounds good, i personally prefer android

[wheat torrent]

Didn't break anything yet

[fringe solstice]

i hope it continues like this

[wheat torrent]

My setup is evolving but backwards

Back then I somehow managed to align it....

[fringe solstice]

it already look amazing, im just concerned about the amount of cables under the desk lol

[wheat torrent]

Adding a 4th display didn't help especially since those arm mounts weren't tall enough even back then

[wheat torrent]

No that was before

[wheat torrent]

This is now

I've moved my desk from the window and yeah I can't align the monitors anymore no matter what

[fringe solstice]

i dont think that there is space sufficiently for a fourth display

[wheat torrent]

Look at the message I replied to

[fringe solstice]

maybe they are not level

[wheat torrent]

They are not level, not the same height, and are tilted forwards and are not aligned

[fringe solstice]

well, if it is working then is completely fine

[wheat torrent]

Oh and the distance between each of them is not equal

[wheat torrent]

Idk

[fringe solstice]

thats what i thought

[wheat torrent]

I am thinking I could swap my side monitors to use their original stand and I place the stand on some books or something

And I keep the middle monitor on an arm mount

[fringe solstice]

try hanging them from the wall

[wheat torrent]

Don't have access to good wall mounts in my country either

[fringe solstice]

damn

[wheat torrent]

Like if I use arm stands I need to raise the stands by around 10 cm

[fringe solstice]

where do you live at?

[wheat torrent]

See the height difference

Idk if I should even try it

[wheat torrent]

Moldova

Though I'll be honest I could have the side monitors to be lower, won't be same height but it would be somewhat aligned

Yeah I'll give a try

[fringe solstice]

yeah, i dont know how it would look like. i might look crooked

[fringe solstice]

i just noticed, i have asked you the same question bf lol

[wheat torrent]

I mean the solution would be to purchase an sim rig

But there is none in my country

I could buy from aboard but they already cost ~1000 dollars

With taxes I would be paying like 1350USD

It feels absurd to pay such amount for some metal IMO

[lapis talon]

How's thermalright cases in the $150 USD range compared to Lian Li cases in the same range?

[fringe solstice]

oh, i was going to buy one yesterday. but i changed my mind because i was afraid of not using it a lot and regreating after it

[lapis talon]

Can give it to me for free if you won't use it

[fringe solstice]

yeah thats a lot of money

[wheat torrent]

Indeed

[fringe solstice]

i didnt bought it yet, i was going to

[lapis talon]

Ah

[wheat torrent]

I should probably read the manual

There is warning stickers all over this thing

I forgot how heavy those things are

[fringe solstice]

yeah

[cosmic stratus]

Why the ever living FUCK are second hand 5800x3d 450$

It was at 350$ a month 2 ago

What the fuck

[gaunt spade]

welcome to erf

[steel umbra]

that’s two tray 7700

brand new or used from china

[cosmic stratus]

[steel umbra]

or a 7800x3d + 7400f

[wheat torrent]

It is not working 😢

Idk if it would be worse or better

[gaunt spade]

more like 3

[fickle ivy]

Do you guys think I could run a 280mm with no fans on a 40 watt CPU?

[wheat torrent]

Which is better

[gaunt spade]

why tho

[fickle ivy]

My friend gave me an AIO with no fans

[gaunt spade]

wich cpu is it

[fickle ivy]

I5 12500t

[brave brook]

you mean no screws either ? you can always zip tie other fans to it. If you have screws for it, then even better, just use any other fans

[wheat torrent]

Parandroid what are your thoughts

[brave brook]

you could grab a pair of Arctic P14's for like 6-7 euros a piece and call it a day

without fans there is nothing to cool the radiator other than convection. Even a 35W TDP CPU iwll put out enough heat to make AIO too hot after prolonged use

[fickle ivy]

I've got a 240mm AIO right now but the one he gave me is a bit nicer

[brave brook]

you can use any 140mm fan on the 280mm AIO

[fickle ivy]

Im aware

[wise bone]

Hi chat, how's it going? 👋

Just a general question on what type of thing to pursue next:
I have two almost-identical servers (i7 4790/4790K 16GB DDR3 GTX760/GTX660 with each different storage amounts) in two different locations (one at home with no internet access and runs completely local and one at a online accessible location) which both run Windows 11 Pro, both can be accessed via remote desktop & SSH through their own methods obviously due to one machine requiring to be in a local network.

I've messed around with port forwarding, RDP, SSH, FTP and Hyper-V with no clue what to try and do next. Considering I'm under the age of 18 and have been doing this in my own free time, I do consider this a very good achievement to get into my ideal pathway as a possible Server Maintenance officer or similar.

Any new things I could try on these machines?
Thanks y'all, peace ✌️

[steel umbra]

put 4 monitors vertically

[topaz shale]

yes

[topaz shale]

get off windows

try a different os. you can try and deploy a bunch of OSs easily using ProxMox

ive been a big fan of TrueNas recently kind of goated

[wise bone]

I've been trying out TrueNAS, and other linuxes via HyperV as I'm undecided to switch due to data being stored on drives that have a large amount of on hours and the way they're configured may not be easy to move them from windows to Linux.

[steel umbra]

@wheat torrent

[topaz shale]

yeah youll probably want to do external data backups before swapping os of your nas

the datasets almost certainly wont mix well

[wheat torrent]

...

Is this bait

[topaz shale]

2x2 is actually goated

do you have a drawing tablet or is that just an old monitor

[wheat torrent]

I'm not a security guard at a mall 🥹

[wheat torrent]

Drawing tablet

[topaz shale]

ah

lowk drop a monitor

4 is too many

[steel umbra]

well the second one you drew makes no sense at all

[topaz shale]

i would know

[steel umbra]

if you have smaller screens then put them in my example 2 at the most right or left

[topaz shale]

im going down to two (ultrawide + main)

[wheat torrent]

4 is perfect

[wheat torrent]

All are 32"

[steel umbra]

then do one of this

[wheat torrent]

I can't do that man

Whole problem is I don't have access to tall enough arm mounts

[topaz shale]

do a rhombus

[wheat torrent]

And sim racing setups are way way way too expensive

[steel umbra]

what about wall mount

two mounted on wall, two on arms (the table)

[topaz shale]

there is always a way. for any budget. some sketchiness may apply.

[steel umbra]

i mean the way you want it ark is you will end up with a 96”+ wide screen

with bezzels and gaps almost 100”

[topaz shale]

i dont have a good cpu cooler so my test bench is using an intel stock cooler on an am4 platform

[steel umbra]

100” is 2.5 meters man

[topaz shale]

gravity mounted

[wheat torrent]

This is what ive been using for months and it's ideal for me I'm not switching to another layout

My problem is that with time the monitors drop down because shit mounts

[steel umbra]

250cm is a royal bed diagnonally to put it in a perspective

[wheat torrent]

And it's almost impossible to align them

Like this is how much it tilted

[topaz shale]

tighten it

[wheat torrent]

And I even had zipties reinforced

[steel umbra]

oh you have curved monitors and a flat

[wheat torrent]

Or course

[topaz shale]

you could just blow up your setup

[wheat torrent]

This is how it looks right now (the legs on right are just for size reference)

So I was thinking of putting the side monitors on their own OEM stands right

And I think this would allow me to align them better at the cost of some desk space...

Does this make more sense

[topaz shale]

if you cant afford gas shock mounts then sure

gas shock is surely better though no?

[wheat torrent]

I can't buy them

[topaz shale]

they are like 50$

[wheat torrent]

There is no good mount in my country for 32" monitors

[topaz shale]

single arm mounts for each one

[wheat torrent]

Best option I can buy would cost me 1350 USD after taxes

[high elm]

can you not import

[topaz shale]

if its 1350 then its not the best option

[wheat torrent]

Yeah

[topaz shale]

you can fly to another country and bring them back for cheaper

[wheat torrent]

Delivery fees are like 100-200 USD

[high elm]

wtf

[wheat torrent]

And then taxes are 30% with the delivery fees

And around 20-30dollars for broker fees

[high elm]

my aio from china’s delivery fee costed me $5 for express

[wheat torrent]

You don't live in a shithole as mine

[high elm]

including the freight forwarder

[topaz shale]

check aliexpress

[steel umbra]

where do you live

[wheat torrent]

My country is not part of schengen

And not a part of EU

[steel umbra]

where

[wheat torrent]

Moldova

[topaz shale]

Lithuania?

oh

[high elm]

ok moldova makes sense

[steel umbra]

just travel and bring stuff with you… you live next to ukraine

or would that get hugely taxed

[steel umbra]

that is part of eu

[topaz shale]

oh whoops

[wheat torrent]

Like those mount arms in the picture on paper "should" support 8kg monitors... But If you look at the tilt it's so big

I tighten them as much as I can and they drop right away

[steel umbra]

well the issue of curved monitors is that they center off mass is further than of flat monitors

[wheat torrent]

Even the metal is bent

[wheat torrent]

Yep

There are some more expensive arm mounts but the problem is they aren't tall enough

And for 32 inch I need quite tall mounts

Especially with my drawing tablet under

[steel umbra]

then don’t get a “monitor” arm but some kind of industrial arm second hand

and do some diy

[proper gull]

Or just get a monitor arm that isn't made of reused tin cans

They exist

[steel umbra]

he lives in moldova

[proper gull]

...and?

[wheat torrent]

The population in my country is like 2 million
The people who buy such hardware is probably a very very small percentage

So the chances I can find something used is so slim

[steel umbra]

no quality arms available

[proper gull]

if they can afford 3 of those monitors they can afford to import something

[wheat torrent]

the person I bought the monitors from did have a sim rig but he said he paid like 3k euro for it after taxes

Importing sim rigs is even more expensive because of how heavy they are

[steel umbra]

no reasonable delivery company exists that wants to deliver to moldova

[high elm]

i’ll be the first one

[proper gull]

Then hop in the car and go over to Romania

[steel umbra]

by reasonable i mean cheap

[steel umbra]

he doesn’t want to do that i guess

anyways i live in EU and it’s kind of a hell to import things if you don’t know what you’re doing

€15-30 (depending on the company) fee if you don’t deal up with the customs yourself

€3 processing fee

fixed import tax (23%)

[wheat torrent]

Here is aliexpres for example

[steel umbra]

• duties 0-25%

[wheat torrent]

326 USD shipping fee

[topaz shale]

cheaper than 1350

[wheat torrent]

Right but the 1350 is a sim rig

[high elm]

wtf

[wheat torrent]

This is some cheap ass mount

[steel umbra]

and in my country (not in some other eu countries) if you don’t want to pay that €15 companies charge to deal up with customs themselves you gotta get a special type of electronic id

basicly if your item is over €150 or doesn’t have prepaid vat, even if it’s worth €2 you’ll end up paying as a newbie at least €18-19 in taxes

[high elm]

yalls country’s suck bruh wtf 15€ to deal with customs

[steel umbra]

and that’s just eu

[wheat torrent]

Idk what this is but it costs 470 USD to buy and 470 to ship

And add 30% on top for taxes

[steel umbra]

lol not really, dhl and as well some other major carriers charge €30

[high elm]

china post charges $0

[steel umbra]

but other eu countries allow you more easily to initiate your own customs process

[wheat torrent]

I guess this is what I would need

700 USD shipping fee

[steel umbra]

right, but china post is not the way western companies ship things

btw china post hands those packages to local carriers nowadays too

[high elm]

yea

[steel umbra]

so even if it goes through china post, i still get charged €15

[wheat torrent]

I bought my tablet from china

I got it with a student discount on top of some discount the company was doing at the time

When it arrived in my country the border tax motherfuckers made me pay tax on the MSRP price when the product was brand new

They said discounts don't matter

But it's not a new product so it's always on discount it's a few years old

After I paid I had to wait around a month or so

For them to do the papers so I could pick it up

I was so pissed the whole time tbh

[proper gull]

You could build that whole thing yourself for just the cost of the shopping fee

Aluminium extrusion is cheap

[glossy veldt]

16:9 on a 4:3 sucks so so bad

[opaque silo]

when are we bringing back 3:2 to PC

[steel umbra]

give 10:9

or 1:1

orr hexagonal screens yess

[glossy veldt]

well im watching 2013s sci fi on a 2005 laptop, is this rizz?

[azure topaz]

what

what’s supposed to be attractive here

[formal sonnet]

No, rather, I've heard the kids say it's "cringe" or something like that.

[azure topaz]

is firmark downloaded yet

[glossy veldt]

shhhhh

[peak saddle]

hot take lcd on some oled phones are fire example xs max because especially in bed 1 they are more durable 2 no pwm refreshing

[glossy veldt]

ive heard about pwm refreshing but i used a monitor that would constantly flicker for over 3 years and became immune to it

pwm flicker?

[glossy veldt]

it's now at 62% and i believe it was at 80% something earlier

or more idk

it immediately dropped to 33%

poor xp has no idea on hows the battery doing

we shall hibernate!

[brittle kernel]

ok I probably shouldn't be here

I'm a programmer, not a PC builder

uhhnmmm...

does anyone use Neovim-

[fallow yacht]

only for that specific scenario

otherwise you're downgrading the experience

[ebon marlin]

I'm not gonna buy a flagship product that has an LCD screen

LCD drains the battery more significantly due to its backlight

I'm currently using a very fragile phone and I'd never choose LCD over OLED

[tidal geyser]

i now have a project idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfSO-LCKmrA

[ebon marlin]

I used to daily an iPhone 11 and upgrading to an OLED phone was a whole new experience

Durability on OLED isn't an issue either aswell

[tidal geyser]

im betting he means brun in

[ebon marlin]

You rarely ever break the screen itself rather the glass protection the screen has

[tidal geyser]

eeeehhhh

i VERY rarely see the glass being broken and the actual screen itself being fine

but yea no if you drop your phone it being LCD or OLED has little to say

[tidal geyser]

OLEDs have also come a long way so burn in aint as big of a issue but yes can still happen but its important to remember even LCDs or other tech like it can burn in

[stray portal]

I use micro

[stray portal]

why didnt it work 😡

[brittle kernel]

nice. switching to cd

[abstract wigeon]

why is there so much macbook neo hate when it’s the only mac id consider buying

[stray portal]

maybe because of the wallpaper

[bold olive]

cuz the people who hate it doesn't know snapdragon laptops exist

[abstract wigeon]

?

[bold olive]

both are 'mobile chips'

[abstract wigeon]

snapdragon laptops are not using phone chips

[ocean axle]

Some do

[bold olive]

they're under the arm architecture, which is the norm for phone chips

[abstract wigeon]

oh? i didn’t know they made ones that weren’t X elite

[bold olive]

hence it's in quotations

[abstract wigeon]

can’t really compare

[bold olive]

certain applications cant run on arm

check ltts 30 day snapdragon daily challenge

[abstract wigeon]

yeah but they still aren’t mobile chips

[ocean axle]

But the x1/x2 chips are more comparable to the m series

[abstract wigeon]

an x elite is a very different power class to an iphone chip like an iphone chip is very different to M series silicon

besides apple has been on ARM for years now, nobody cares about the architecture

reminds i still need to try asahi at some point..

[solemn pewter]

If you think anyone in the general population knows anything about laptops other than the brand name and the price, you are mistaken

Nobody in the real world understands what ARM or x86 are. The people who hate the Neo just do not understand what the average person uses a laptop for

[ocean axle]

Before the x elite series release, they used phone chips, they sucked

That's probably why people are hating on apple doing it, Microsoft's attempt sucked

Except, Ms doing it sucked for many reasons, only one of which was the chip used

I have an x1 laptop, it's fine, but it's not perfect

[abstract wigeon]

oh yes of course yeah

completely ignored them my bad

[ocean axle]

The fact that some things don't just work is a problem, but was much more of one the first time around, compounded with the slower CPU

The MacBook neo will be just fine for most people because it's just a bit slower MacBook (vs current lineup)

Which is fine for most people

[tidal radish]

i need a bit of help. i just got a broken iPhone XS Max with 256GB of storage. It got a broken screen and backglass.
its currently on iOS 15.6.1, can i sell if for more if i leave it on that iOS version and repair it or should i just repair and upgrade it to iOS 18.7.6?

[abstract wigeon]

i’m tempted to get an X elite laptop after this one dies, linux on arm looks interesting to me

[ocean axle]

FWIW, mine runs win11

[solemn pewter]

The other issue with X1 Elite was that it was marketed towards power users, but most of the software a power user requires doesn't run on ARM at all. They were needlessly expensive but couldn't do things people needed them to do

[ocean axle]

Also not fast enough really

[abstract wigeon]

i guessed yeah, its meant to be not bad from what ices heard. linux on arm just looks like an interesting learning bit for me

[ocean axle]

My arm laptop is a x1p-64-100

It' was $500, it's not meant to be a powerhouse of a laptop

[solemn pewter]

The end effect was "You can have better battery life with worse software compatibility, and the software that does work is going to run poorly."

X1 Plus was a much better middle ground

[solemn pewter]

Just so long as you're getting it as a hobby, not for real work... You're going to be fighting it a lot

[ocean axle]

I use mine mostly for Firefox, but also a hint of IDEA (which is in Java so runs natively)

[abstract wigeon]

you got experience?

[ocean axle]

And it's perfectly fine, for that usecase

[abstract wigeon]

everything i do on my laptop can be done in a browser so it cant be thag bad

[solemn pewter]

Not specifically with Linux on arm. I've had too many compatibility issues with Linux on x86 laptops, and too many issues with Windows on ARM. Combining them felt like an absolute recipe for disaster

[ocean axle]

With Linux ARM isn't an issue, so long as your CPU/system is supported

[abstract wigeon]

ive also been tempted to buy an m1/2 macbook second hand and shove asahi on it

[ocean axle]

You issue if you have one will be Linux, regardless of CPU

[abstract wigeon]

yeah ive gathered it’s not wfyl

awful*

[solemn pewter]

As soon as you try to use a device outside of its specified use case, you are going to have issues

[ocean axle]

I use Linux no problem on many machines, including some ARM ones

[abstract wigeon]

distribution? i’d most likely be on arch for arm cus im most used to it

[ocean axle]

Linux for ARM is in a far better spot than Windows for ARM is

[solemn pewter]

Depending on your use case

[ocean axle]

In no small part because most things are OSS, so it's just someone recompiling it for ARM

[solemn pewter]

I do a significant amount more on my computer than browsing and using OSS

[ocean axle]

Ubuntu usually

[ocean axle]

Do any of those work on Linux in the first place?

[abstract wigeon]

any idea how battery life differs between windows and linux for arm? in my experience on x86 linux is always a bit better but arm i have no idea

[solemn pewter]

About 50% of them, hence why I'm usually on a Mac, or Windows if I really really really have to.

[ocean axle]

I'm saying that the uarch matters less for Linux than it does Windows

Your problem is Linux in the first place

[ocean axle]

Mostly that'll be down to sleep states working or not (device support)

[abstract wigeon]

so not much difference?

[ocean axle]

I haven't noticed significant differences myself, but I also don't use multiple oses on one computer usually

And rarely laptops in general

So, I just don't have experience there

[sleek ibex]

I just love how the new CRKD Les Paul controllers have the same problem with the frets connection from 18-19 years ago, and the ol' paper trick fixes it like the old Les Paul controllers

[abstract wigeon]

interesting thanks

[ocean axle]

I mostly use desktops

Like, almost exclusively

[abstract wigeon]

i use my laptop at for work and college, so it would never have to be anything powerful compared to my gaming pc

[ocean axle]

My main desktop has a 9950x3d w/ 128gb, my main laptop is an x1p w/ 16gb,

[native path]

I realised this too, just sold off my laptop this morning

[ocean axle]

I still have a couple laptops, I just don't use them for much

One windows (arm) one Linux (x86)

[native path]

Absolutely 0 reason for me to be holding on to a laptop with a 7940HS and a 4060 in it, sold it off for as much as I could before the resale value drops any further

[ocean axle]

Sometimes a portable computer is helpful, and sometimes I break my desktop

[median warren]

I remember I bought an Asus Zenbook duo for uni, and just didn't end up using it/needing it

[native path]

I'm gonna get my hands on the new M5 MBA

[ocean axle]

Oh, yea, both of mine are thin and lights

[median warren]

I got it cause it's got a cool gimmick now it's just collecting dust

[ocean axle]

Why m5?

Why not an older cheaper one?

Assuming actually cheaper

[native path]

The "cheapest" one with 512GB and 16G would be the M5 at ~$800 USD resold

[ocean axle]

Fair enough then

[native path]

I've got the education discount as well, I rather pay the $200 more and get the model released 3 days ago

[ocean axle]

Yee, fair enough

[native path]

Though I think i'm gonna hold off on it till summer, it comes any macbook purchase comes with free airpods

[solemn pewter]

How do they validate the education discount? I've seen people wildly abuse that with other vendors

[native path]

No clue, I believe it's just whether or not you have a .edu email

[ocean axle]

They don't really

[native path]

Yeah I don't think apple in the US actually validates it

[ocean axle]

Afaik

[native path]

You need a .edu email in Singapore to verify

Thanks apple

[solemn pewter]

That's a brutal trade in value, what are you exchanging?

[fallow yacht]

probably a 6s

[native path]

2018 MBA

Think it's the base spec

[magic ivy]

i got an s23, i changed the ram from 4->6 , restarted and now it says sim locked
no password works puk, pin, sim

[tulip sparrow]

Born in 87 and yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inRlup8_3qU

[idle vessel]

anyone here know a good place/way to sell a used pc?
its an am5 system with a 6750xt, 32 gigs of ddr5 6000, etc. pretty modern hardware. im from the uk

[wheat torrent]

32 gb

[idle vessel]

❓

[wheat torrent]

expensive

[serene pumice]

Air cooling is better than water cooling

[idle vessel]

i got in 2024

[wheat torrent]

what the hell

[tidal radish]

THIS is crazy ffs

[rigid fjord]

1985 here so, pretty much yes

[rigid fjord]

ebay is the better one in the uk, and depending on the cpu, that's roughly a 600-800 system

[idle vessel]

awesome

so no selling individual parts?

[ebon marlin]

?

[rigid fjord]

the 6750xt goes for £200-240 on it's own

the thing is, the rest of the system's specs

[idle vessel]

it has a 7500f

and some random wifi b650 i forgot the name of

ram here: #tech-chat-1 message

[wheat torrent]

inflation

[bold olive]

are you even using the melting connector

[rigid fjord]

pretty much as i said for a valuation then in total, but why sell and not just upgrade the cpu/gpu ?

[idle vessel]

when i bought it i wanted to play games but my wants have shifted from that to being able to run openbsd
i also just dont need hardware this powerful lol

[frail sequoia]

Laptop is peak for music in a 2007 tv while cleaning and reorganising my room

[pure trellis]

So, will be there a m5max 2tb+ ram version?

[bold olive]

casual linux laptop on the back 💀

[rigid fjord]

tbf it's not that powerful, it's kinda bare minimum hardware for the past 2-3 years

[idle vessel]

the most intensive thing i do on my pc is compile things

i dont really need this lol

[frail sequoia]

It’s a thinkpad with fedora that’s playing the music

[rigid fjord]

which realistically can take a good amount of ram and cpu power, and with some compiling the cache of the ssd

[idle vessel]

im not compiling chromium or anything though lol

am5 is far too much for me

id like to try getting a lot of mini pcs and use them as a cluster

[ocean axle]

Even if it's more than you need, may just want to keep it because your already have it
You get some extreme diminishing returns on a downgrade at the low end

[rigid fjord]

this is like the question someone asked yesturday about going from a 5700x3d to a 9900k

literally going backwards in performance

[ocean axle]

Ok, with the stupid prices of a 5700x3d right now, downgrading that can make sense

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/mclaren-disastercals-gif-3549840301773162905

[ocean axle]

But, just the CPU, to a non-x3d part

Or, up+down to a 12c/16c part

[rigid fjord]

they already had the 5700x3d from my understanding

[idle vessel]

context would be good on my part sorry

i want the money from it too

its not just for the funs i promise

[ocean axle]

Yes, selling that to replace with a non-x3d part may make sense right now

Iirc, the am4 x3d parts have very inflated prices right now

[rigid fjord]

would be fine, but at the same time it's a complete platform change in the process

[dull stone]

do you guys know what i should do with a intel core i7 32gb of ram 256gb samsung ssd 27inch late 2011 imac

[sinful cobalt]

the lga1700 meta has arrived

[ocean axle]

Yes, hence earlier "but, just the CPU"

[rigid fjord]

a very very dead platform

[dull stone]

wdym

[ocean axle]

That socket only had one generation of CPU, meh

[dull stone]

oh also is a inetl core i7 good

intel

[rigid fjord]

1151 v2, as dead as a dodo and no more cpu's made

[dull stone]

oh yeah

[rigid fjord]

2 gens tbh

[ocean axle]

It depends, which one?

[dull stone]

do you guys know what i should do with a intel core i7 32gb of ram 256gb samsung ssd 27inch late 2011 imac

[rigid fjord]

alder lake and raptor lake are lga 1700

[ocean axle]

One, that doesn't kill itself

[sinful cobalt]

the i5s are fine

[rigid fjord]

🤣 fair enough

[dull stone]

i5? that sucks

[rigid fjord]

the non -'k'/'kf' of all 3 are fine

[sinful cobalt]

the i7s and i9s are actively trying to get themselves killed on a daily basis

[dull stone]

mine already did

[rigid fjord]

13400,13700,13900 all fine because doesn't OC

[dull stone]

so now i have to use a chromebook until anortehr cpu arives

anorther

[rigid fjord]

only the 'K' and 'KF' models

[sinful cobalt]

265k supremacy

[rigid fjord]

run linux on it

[dull stone]

i already am

i want to use jellyfin on it

[rigid fjord]

you still could

[idle vessel]

also my current pc does not support openbsd well (or even linux) which of course i could fix by getting a new motherboard but its a hassle

[rigid fjord]

linux natively works with amd though?

[idle vessel]

not the issue, its networking hardware

shouldve specified sorry

[ocean axle]

Grab a cheap nic that works?

[idle vessel]

my case is matx and my gpu covers the other pcie card

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-cat-mocking-gif-13935821400850516732

[rigid fjord]

pcie expansion cables exist so you can move it around for the nic

[ocean axle]

Also m.2 nics

[rigid fjord]

and you can restore link agregation back to win 10/11

which also helps

[idle vessel]

i could do that, but i would lose money from that

i want to sell it for money mainly lol

[rigid fjord]

1 card, 1 onboard, 3 ethernet connections acting as one on win 10

when you combine the connections hehe

[idle vessel]

i dont use windows in any capacity anywhere at all

[azure topaz]

the more and more i watch retro computing content the more and more i want to get into retro computing

[proud island]

Quick question do I plug this connector straight into the GPU? It fits, I just don’t know if I need anything in between

It’s the one labeled 600W

[obtuse yew]

Hmmmmm

[olive sierra]

Is it worth using "Super Resolution" or "Overdrive" on GIGABYTE monitors?

[woven wigeon]

This is why ram is 400% more expensive

Becausr an ai moddel labled an egg milk

[sinful cobalt]

ah yes my viewbait technique I havent used this since the heian era

[azure topaz]

probably not. overdrive is gross and will generally make your image smear across the screen (at least super contrasty things, like a reticle)

[olive sierra]

I did notice a black border around anything with movement with it on

[azure topaz]

super resolution is just down sampling (think running a game at 150% render res instead of 100)

[azure topaz]

this is the best way to go about seeing if you want something on so that’s nice

you tried it didn’t like it may as well trust your instincts

[olive sierra]

I didnt like using overdrive but im unsure about the super resolution

[azure topaz]

super resolution ends up making things that aren’t a game look quite a bit worse

due to jamming 4 pixels into one on your monitor for example fine edges of text may not look good

[olive sierra]

It makes everything in the distance look alot better, but things close up have jagged edges now

[azure topaz]

yeah

[olive sierra]

so its a trade-off

[azure topaz]

also makes whatever game run worse so imo a no

[olive sierra]

Run worse?

[azure topaz]

but if you like it go ahead, i used super resolution(the nv one) in tarkov to make DLSS better

[azure topaz]

it’s running the game at a higher internal resolution and then making it fit on your monitor

[olive sierra]

Nah its like on my monitor

I havent changed any settings in game

[azure topaz]

your monitor likely supports a 4K signal but is only 1440p or similar, same thing different method

[olive sierra]

Its a 1440p 120hz monitor

[azure topaz]

so then this

my homie has an asus monitor that is the same way

[olive sierra]

Im using this monitor on console btw

[azure topaz]

game runs at 4K or an higher res then the monitor handles the translation instead of your gpu doing it (probably)

[olive sierra]

should have mentioned that

[azure topaz]

would depend on a game to game basis then

[olive sierra]

ill probably keep both off

[azure topaz]

some games may support that higher render res on the console and look better

but games that don’t will likely look the same if not worse

[olive sierra]

Thanks

[cosmic stratus]

My dell precision rig has finnally been retired and is now for minecraft server duty 🫡

[kindred halo]

I am currently torn between AM4 & LGA 1200 </3

[azure topaz]

am4

[kindred halo]

I KNOW

But the Z490-F is so prettyyyy......

[azure topaz]

lga 1200 shouldn’t be considered unless you can get a K chip/a decent board with it

[cosmic stratus]

Is lga 1200 12th gen intel?

[azure topaz]

no, 10th or 11

[kindred halo]

That's 1700

[cosmic stratus]

Oh yea go am4 atp

[kindred halo]

Within any real logic, AM4 is the better option

But the Strix Z490-F is pretty as hell,,,,,,,,

[cosmic stratus]

Oh thats 12th gen

[azure topaz]

find a b550 strix then

[cosmic stratus]

Nah you would need x3D chip for that to work imo

[kindred halo]

Priced like a kidney ❤️

[azure topaz]

Z490 isn’t 12th

[azure topaz]

if you were closer i’d basically give one to you

[azure topaz]

it’s 10th

[cosmic stratus]

Oh I was referring to this so I thought-

[azure topaz]

i actively have a z590 board with a 10700 in it lol

[azure topaz]

oh ok lol

[kindred halo]

Tbf the LGA 1200 option is bundled with an i3 10100 & 1x8GB

[azure topaz]

yeah not the play

[cosmic stratus]

Still not worth, yea

[azure topaz]

get a 5600g or some shit

[kindred halo]

The i3 10100 IS better than my current processor, but yeah it's temporary until I can get a 10700K or 11400/700

[azure topaz]

and then it wouldn’t be worth it

[kindred halo]

Actually MAYBE the price isn't horrible? Let's see if anything pops up..

[azure topaz]

you’re spending money twice on a single platform

do not do that if you can avoid it i promise it is better that way

it took me a very long time to learn that and it’s kinda imperative you do too lol

[cosmic stratus]

Very old one at that btw. Id say am4's equivalent would be lga 1700

[kindred halo]

Well, I can definitely order one off Newegg and pay for the third party shipping

[azure topaz]

nah it’s 1200

[cosmic stratus]

Oh

[azure topaz]

am4 is just cheaper and more common probably especially in his area

[cosmic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[kindred halo]

I can barely find anything decent for AM4 used, let alone well priced

[azure topaz]

then you got da options clear

[kindred halo]

An R7 1700 is going for $50 ❤️

[azure topaz]

i mean i’d pay that but it wouldn’t be my only computer at the same time

[kindred halo]

THOUGH, even though it's more expensive, new is definitely doable

A Strix B550 is like 140 on Newegg, so like 170-180 effectively

[azure topaz]

that’s not bad but i wouldn’t