tech-chat-1

[green kernel]

is it repairable?

[wispy thunder]

what microphone is it?

[spring latch]

gain

[green kernel]

i dont have any external settings,,

[green kernel]

W2O2A

[wispy thunder]

W2O2A doesn't bring any results up on Google

can you send a picture?

[azure topaz]

windows has a gain option, can try that, look in your control panel under sound and then recording and see if the settings are any weird there

[wispy thunder]

In most cases though, a mic that doesn't really exist on the internet isn't a mic worth keeping. I'd replace it

[sharp lance]

bottle neck much? (spare pc)

[wispy thunder]

it's fine

[sharp lance]

depends on games ig

[green kernel]

no, all seems normal. maybe its broken

[hallow jasper]

the mystery of dhcp

[azure topaz]

yeesh yah

[spring latch]

no but the IP shouldnt have changed when I rebooted a completely different machine

[clear pebble]

Pc keep crashing when wifi dies and I press restart adapter, then if wifi does work, it dies and turns off on me when I hope on a game, any ideas?

[hallow jasper]

Why not? The only time that statement would be accurate is if you have all MAC based static leases.

[hearty olive]

in older games <2021ish probably not, but newer games thrash 4c/8t

[icy sundial]

So I ordered a $90 self-professed Creator microphone from Amazon. It arrived. And despite it being a Logitech microphone, a blue Logitech microphone at that, it uses fucking mini USB to connect to the computer. Not freaking micro USB. Mini.

The cheap China microphone I am replacing was a USB C at least

[spring latch]

pretty sure that could ruin local communication
rebooting windows 7 PC (on a different router, we have a chain here) into macOS
probably shouldnt bump a DietPi laptop on another rotuer from 174 to 175
idk

[sharp lance]

beamNG sure does. cyperpunk runs decent on it. teardown is eh. def a little better from the 1660 super i had in it

[wispy thunder]

brother the only reason that mic still exists in its mini-B form is because people like u keep buying it lmao

[hearty olive]

it would certainly help you out to run an extremely minimal windows install

[wispy thunder]

the blue yeti is literally older than some people in this server, being released in 2009

[sharp lance]

yeah def

[hearty olive]

remove any OS overhead

[icy sundial]

All it had to do was say mini USB in the name and I would have said no

[hallow jasper]

It didn't, you're conflating two things. Post hoc ergo propter hoc at work.

[wispy thunder]

well that's on you for not researching it properly

[sharp lance]

tiny 10 is windows 10 enterprise so thats a no due to not being able to make an acc

[icy sundial]

I mean don't get me wrong. I might put my old mic in the box and return it still

[wispy thunder]

just get a razer seiren mini + mic arm and call it a day

[icy sundial]

You don't necessarily need 40 gbps transfer rate for audio anyway. I'm not recording Platinum albums or anything or even gold albums for that matter

[spring latch]

who the fuck uses a microsoft account you have to be a nerd or apart of a school to do that

[wispy thunder]

don't bother with cheap garbage, don't bother with the yeti

[wispy thunder]

don't bother with "features" that you'll never use

[icy sundial]

And to counter your point, the only reason they're still using mini USB might be because if it's not broke, don't fix it

[hearty olive]

tiny 11 versions are not secure and you can do all the same stuff by just running raphire w11 debloat script, and then deactivating unnecessary services in services.msc

[wispy thunder]

if you want something better than the Seiren mini, get a elgato wave 3. It's a lewitt mic

[hearty olive]

? people who want to be able to use their pc?

[sharp lance]

oh alr thanks

[wispy thunder]

no, it's because it's cheap to manufacture and people buy the mic anyways

[spring latch]

nobody wants to have one otherwise

[hallow jasper]

Hello, hi. I have hardware from this decade and don't own a tin foil hat so it works just fine.

[icy sundial]

Trust me, it's all cheap to manufacture these days

[spring latch]

you dont need a microsoft account to use the pc

[sharp lance]

microsoft being the data hungry company they are needs you to have a microsoft acc for certan things. also i have a windows 10 activation key linked to my acc so windows is activated

[hearty olive]

if you do use the raphire script, be sure to use a custom setup and don’t just use the default

[spring latch]

idk what id be missing out on besides like wsl or something

[sharp lance]

i manualy debloated my main pc (took 2 hours) i was really bored

[spring latch]

that being said you shouldnt use tiny10 ever ever ever

[icy sundial]

Titus tools in the house

[sharp lance]

found that out

i also cant find the atlas os download

[spring latch]

atlasOS converted to a playbook thing a long time ago

[icy sundial]

I might have missed it in the back scroll but what are you trying to use this particular installation of Windows for

[spring latch]

although I think I have an old 2023 iso in my google drive somewhere

[sharp lance]

i think i have a atlas iso on my main pc

[hearty olive]

yeesh wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy

[spring latch]

I only really think tiny10 is good for low end systems with a storage problem, think, Celeron N3060, 16GB eMMC

[hallow jasper]

Oh, we're at that weird point in the day where the hacked up "custom" Windows ISO evangelists come out. The only thing worse than the "linux for desktop" crowd.

[sharp lance]

i was sick and i didnt wanna play any games and there were no good youtube vids on my recomended

[icy sundial]

Agreed, just manually exclusive allow

[spring latch]

I just use what I use and then have people tell me my computer gon get fucked

[thorny saddle]

Hi

[spring latch]

h

[wispy thunder]

When you're still moving a million units per year or something like that, even the 1ish dollar difference in the type C port + the proper implementation is a million dollars per year.

[hallow jasper]

this is degen hour, stay away

[verbal prawn]

hey atleast linux for desktop does make some sense for some people

[sharp lance]

is there a windows 10 version

[spring latch]

ive used all 3 primary OSes and none of them are good. but I have to pick one so I just deal with it

[verbal prawn]

why are you on a eol OS

[wispy thunder]

I love how y'all are still on windows at the end of the day

[spring latch]

if ur talking to be its because I dont give a shit

[spring latch]

well windows 7 better than windows 11

[verbal prawn]

lol what

[icy sundial]

Idk the more I think about it the more I don't care after reading reviews

[spring latch]

id rather malware steal my data than microsoft

[sharp lance]

linux doesnt have the kernal lvl anticheat shit yet so most online games wont work (im pretty sure)

[hearty olive]

it isn’t technically eol anymore you can get extended updates for free

[icy sundial]

It's male USB A on the other end so who cares

[azure topaz]

havent seen argus monitor in a long time waow

[hearty olive]

@sharp lance https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater this one probably

[icy sundial]

I just want to tell people they are idiots

After killing me

[verbal prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-buddy-okay-alright-yeah-sure-jr-munoz-gif-14666172

[sharp lance]

old but gold lmfao

[spring latch]

I already know im a fucking idiot dont tell me

[wispy thunder]

https://people.kernel.org/bleung/how-to-design-a-proper-usb-c-power-sink-hint-not-the-way-raspberry-pi-4
You'd think so.

[fringe prairie]

yes most online games dont work

lots of industry standard software also doesnt run natively

[sharp lance]

once all that stuff works im switching to linux

[icy sundial]

I just go the network route? It's not hard

Exclusive allow with layered controls like a human centipede of piholes

[spring latch]

you cant tell people its not hard to do something just because its easy to you, thats why I dont recommend linux. I like it, but not many others will

[wispy thunder]

most people don't care.

[icy sundial]

The digital menstrual cup of personal data

[spring latch]

????

[verbal prawn]

what

[sharp lance]

i use linux on my laptops

[wispy thunder]

"Most" children use Chromebooks nowadays.

[icy sundial]

A slim slim minority do

[spring latch]

good for you

[gritty panther]

ewww linux users

[icy sundial]

A slim slim majority do care I mean

[icy sundial]

Git gud

[wispy thunder]

Linux is cope for broke ass hardware

[verbal prawn]

this is coming from a person that used arch for a year daily. It's not for everyone and that's fine

[spring latch]

im gonna get my friend to join this server and chokeslam you through the floor into the ground (/j)

[azure topaz]

in most cases i couldnt agree more i wont hold you

[gritty panther]

linux users are the vegans of the pc world

[sharp lance]

chud

[icy sundial]

Arch is like...defacto not for everyone

It's the anti anyone Linux distro

[verbal prawn]

no but linux in general isn't

[spring latch]

thats calling all linux users bad, in which case, simply not true

[sleek ibex]

Eh it's mostly the Arch Users that make Linux their identity

[icy sundial]

I know that's the point you failed to make

[spring latch]

its arch users that make people hate linux

[icy sundial]

But I getcha

[azure topaz]

no, its not, but when a certain group is the loudest, it ruins it for the rest

[ivory mountain]

yeah no you dont stop larping lmao

[gritty panther]

linux nuthugging im outta here brb

[icy sundial]

I like ubuntu and uh Debian once a month

[azure topaz]

wont hold you most of the good press on linux is just about data privacy which to be entirely gonest with you most people dont care about

[verbal prawn]

last i've heard i've never seen anyone get their banking info stolen by microsoft

[azure topaz]

i interact with linux literally every day

[spring latch]

literally with malware I reinstall windows and reset passwords and shit, with microsoft I cant do much they already have it the second I use it

[azure topaz]

but linux has its uses

[ivory mountain]

as long as i can game i give 0 fucks about what OS someone uses i just wanna game

[azure topaz]

and for the most part thats not being a typical desktop os but do what you wanna

[spring latch]

this should be the point tho if it works it works

[azure topaz]

yeah if it works for you i kinda couldnt care less

not my computer

[spring latch]

its when people start to complain when its an issue

[icy sundial]

Usually when I use Linux it's a specialty distro like Paladin or Kali, or something made for raspberry pi

[azure topaz]

i use ubuntu and debian

[ivory mountain]

with info stealer malwares they get your info sent to usually a discord webhook lol, including any logins, payment info, addresses, etc

this is then sold or USED by the malware creators, and it locks u out of ur accounts

[hearty olive]

i feel like linux is honestly preferable for pcs that won’t ever game but what do i know

[azure topaz]

and nothing else and it will remain that way

[icy sundial]

My man

[spring latch]

I mostly use debian based shit, like dietpi

[verbal prawn]

yeah i could leave linux on my laptop i could care lessd

[hearty olive]

debian is nice but it’s so 2010 feeling

[azure topaz]

i use cli bro

[icy sundial]

Pcs. In general, no servers, yes

[sleek ibex]

Linux is perfectly fine for me gaming wise as all I play are single player games. emulators, and Clone Hero

[azure topaz]

this is my gui

[ivory mountain]

i just like it for wobbly windows ❤️‍🩹

[icy sundial]

Lennox is best for the bare Bones specialized use of a particular setup in most cases.

[azure topaz]

or this

[verbal prawn]

🔥

[icy sundial]

It capitalizes on the freedom to either do specifically only what you want or whatever you want

[verbal prawn]

floppers when teach me tarkov

[hallow jasper]

I don't care.

-most people.

[azure topaz]

when i have any desire to play

[spring latch]

I only like macOS as the middle ground
it supports a lot of software
and easy to develop on

[icy sundial]

It's not a bad thing. I'm just glad it's there for when you need it

[wispy thunder]

Autodesk doesn't work on Linux

[ivory mountain]

my windows install kept corrupting and i just gave up and went back to linux but thats just a me thing mostly

[hallow jasper]

I just wish linux users would stop telling us about how they use linux. Just compute in silence like everyone else.

[icy sundial]

I've been using both for almost 30 years and I've never had a Windows install just corrupt

[spring latch]

every machine has weird specific quirks, some obvious, some are never discovered

[azure topaz]

fr

[icy sundial]

Let alone keep corrupting what the hell were you doing?

[spring latch]

this 100%

[icy sundial]

I know it's not immune to corrupting but continually corrupting?

[azure topaz]

my server doesnt go "liiinnnuuxxxx" when i turn it on

[ivory mountain]

"how do you know a linux user is around you"

oh trust me they will tell you

[azure topaz]

(it does however make annoying hdd sounds so i know its on anyways)

[verbal prawn]

imma be honest the only reason why my laptop has arch on it right now is for neofetch

[icy sundial]

I have a Danzig windows sound pack

[azure topaz]

MAMMAAAAA

[ivory mountain]

idk how yall do servers i just use websites 😭 yall have too much patience

[verbal prawn]

i could honestly care less what os it has

[icy sundial]

Only because it exists

[azure topaz]

AM I DEEMONNN

I NEED TO KNOWWWWWOWW

[hallow jasper]

thanks for telling us you run linux and why, jerry. Thanks a lot.

[verbal prawn]

no problem gulity

[azure topaz]

what could this entail

[icy sundial]

Did you seriously just jump into the conversation? Not having any idea that that was the topic of discussion

[spring latch]

server.js
a website
node server.js
go to website

of course its more complicated but the point is

[spring latch]

... he's been here for a while, im a moron and even I remember that

[hallow jasper]

You must be new here

[sleek ibex]

Tell your children not to walk my way 🗣️ 📢

[icy sundial]

All of the probably top 15 windows sound effects are replaced with sound bites of Glenn Danzig

[azure topaz]

uhh uhh dirty black summer uhh uhh

uhhh glenn danzig getting beat tf up by like, every other band ever

[icy sundial]

I don't know dude. It's one of the oldest digital artifacts I still have

[thorny saddle]

What the holy crap is going on in here

[spring latch]

this made me imagine fucking bohemian rhapsody im a fucking moron

[azure topaz]

i change my windows sounds my self cause hte default error/windows just telling you no sound is quite annoying

[wispy thunder]

14 yr olds who think they know a lot

[spring latch]

people are fighting for no reason

[azure topaz]

linuxers

[icy sundial]

Like when an error happens instead of the DINK sound it's Glenn going 'Yuh!'

[uneven steeple]

Can someone help me with a GPU error code 43 driver issue?

[verbal prawn]

linux users

[spring latch]

when will we learn it doesnt matter what you use just SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!

[icy sundial]

I just walked into what happens everywhere lol

[spring latch]

myself included I constantly flaunt about my terrible OS choice, I also need to stop

[azure topaz]

wondows

[spring latch]

sevne

[icy sundial]

Complacency comes with age

[hallow jasper]

I thought all the linux users would be over in that 3 page forum thread being mad at Linus for something he said on Fridays wan show

[fringe prairie]

theyre in #public-chat and #linux

[icy sundial]

You got your wife that takes care of your kids, and then you got your dirty side piece like Tails

[hallow jasper]

i'm mistaken, its 4 pages now. people are writing novels

[spring latch]

what? I'm not following anymore

[azure topaz]

lol they made fun of linux users on techlinked yesterday too

[icy sundial]

Windows vs specialized Linux distro

[ivory mountain]

larp larp sahur

[sleek ibex]

I haven't kept up with WAN show lately

[icy sundial]

And by kids I mean my work and gaming

[ivory mountain]

i havent ever watched it whats it even about

[spring latch]

😂

[hallow jasper]

thats a question for the ages

[icy sundial]

Yes yes

[hallow jasper]

WAN = weekly analysis and news

[sleek ibex]

Live podcast talking tech and answering questions via Floatplane or Twitch

[ivory mountain]

ah

[icy sundial]

Nothing and everything

Unscripted Linus, imagine

[hallow jasper]

Its always on time and never runs long

[sleek ibex]

[icy sundial]

Dialogue diarrhea that runs along your leg but also keeps you warm. It's a win win

I'm a fan

[spring latch]

can we get this guy out of here

[hallow jasper]

well, thats quite an image

[icy sundial]

Lol I wasn't hating

[spring latch]

shit you remind me of a specific ai

[icy sundial]

Chuckles, can you spare a chuckle

[spring latch]

nah that guinea pig is under the ground bro

[azure topaz]

you WISH

[icy sundial]

[azure topaz]

this guy also is too, RIP

[icy sundial]

My day is immeasurable and my disappointment is ruined

[spring latch]

another guinea pig will join that one soon as she passed away last night! RIP Rambo 2021-2026, RIP chuckles 2020-2021

[icy sundial]

I got a rabbit

[spring latch]

arent they like good at kicking

[icy sundial]

I think they are considered the Chads of rodents, except ferrets

[spring latch]

rabbits... arent rodents

[icy sundial]

But Piratesoftware managed to ruin an entire species

[spring latch]

although very closely related

[icy sundial]

They are if they train hard enough

[spring latch]

????

[icy sundial]

My rabbit is apparently a gangster

Sorry I'll never post a pet outside of the pet channel again

[floral pecan]

Being asked what’s a good thermal paste to get, idk shit about thermal paste

[spring latch]

isnt MX-4 good?

[floral pecan]

The only paste I’ve heard is mx 4 and noctuas stuff

Good*

[icy sundial]

The Mazda?

[fringe prairie]

yes

[spring latch]

the fucking arctic mx-4

[formal sonnet]

Those are also the 2x thermal pastes I've been using over the last 10+ years.

[sleek ibex]

Whatever comes with your cooler is fine. Though I've been fond of Duronaut

[icy sundial]

Idk I've had a tube of kryptonaut for like 6 years

[fringe prairie]

thermal pad could also be an option

[icy sundial]

And then the Noctua one

[floral pecan]

I’m not the one who’s building

[fringe prairie]

helios v2 is cheapppp

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/zhuang-fangyi-zhuang-fangyi-dragon-dragon-girl-gif-17711825278584358889

[spring latch]

I just bought random shit, was too liquidy and the existing thermal paste wasnt terrible, had to mix but I must say the CPU is keeping cool

[icy sundial]

Oh I got some good pads too

I haven't used them yet though

[floral pecan]

I’ll just go with mx 4 then

[icy sundial]

Mostly because I think I bought them when I didn't need them

[spring latch]

save em

[sinful cobalt]

5nail got me on the duronaut train and i got 6 tubes for free (ive used 3.5 of em)

[icy sundial]

These

[floral pecan]

Can I wipe my ass with that

[sinful cobalt]

you can try

[sleek ibex]

As much as it's a pain to spread, it's great stuff. Switched to that from KPx

[sinful cobalt]

I dont even bother spreading it tbh I just rely on good placement and mounting pressure

[floral pecan]

I bet my ass will be very cool after using those pads

[sinful cobalt]

its so hard to spread i dont find it the effort

[sinful cobalt]

put some chili padi up there too it’ll be very cooling

[sleek ibex]

I use the pea or line across the centre and call it a day

[floral pecan]

I use the it’s not enough method

[icy sundial]

90% of the value of thermal paste is in its application more than its price tag

[sinful cobalt]

a simple pea for AM5, as for my 265K i did a straight line

[icy sundial]

I mean of course the cheapest shit imaginable isn't going to be as good as Arctic or grisly shit but

[sinful cobalt]

I repasted a 3080 with it and it was a PAIN to spread properly

its not pretty work spreading it

[icy sundial]

We're talking a variance of a few degrees as long as it's applied correctly

[sleek ibex]

I use Phasesheet PTM (Rebadged Honeywell PTM7950) for GPU dies for whenever I WB them for that reason alone

[sinful cobalt]

PTM was too expensive for what the dude wanted

he wanted a quick job no hassle

[fringe prairie]

tr heilos

ptm alternative for like $5

[icy sundial]

[sinful cobalt]

is it as good?

im also not sure which to use for GPU dies, AM4/5 or LGA 1700 version

[plush kettle]

Lol

[icy sundial]

Eww that got deleted?

[plush kettle]

They auto mod the word that comes before pack

[fringe prairie]

the v1 isnt as good. v2 no clue

[icy sundial]

Ohhhh

Makes sense

[fringe prairie]

i use v1 on a laptop. got it for $3.50 and its been fine for me

of course you probably have much stronger components so

[icy sundial]

Slow

Sorry that was a test

[sinful cobalt]

I’d probably just place my bets on gambling if any PTM7950 online from china is real from reviews

[rigid fjord]

think the v2 is reformulated, bit like how mx-4 -> mx-5->mx-6-> mx-7 has gone through

[icy sundial]

Now that somebody brought up thermal pads or pastes on a laptop, that's honestly the best use for using better paste or pads

I mean swapping pads are paste

[fringe prairie]

i just wanted to get rid of the stock LM

[icy sundial]

Because you can't control in the vast majority of cases the means of heat dispersal other than that

I'm still purely air cooled so I invest mainly on heatsink and lapping

With kryonaut my homie

I used to use Arctic silver 3

[rigid fjord]

do not get kryonaut

[icy sundial]

It works

[sleek ibex]

Arctic Silver.... I haven't used that in ages

[rigid fjord]

you have to redo it every 6 months

[icy sundial]

Unless you're saying there antisemitism or human trafficking involved

[icy sundial]

I know

I like having a reason

[fringe prairie]

i have a tube of this at home somewhere lol

[icy sundial]

What's the Noctua one? Nh-17

I have tons of that

I'm a Noctua word before pack

[rigid fjord]

a really bad reason, mx6 or mx7 instead would be better to use

[sleek ibex]

Noctua NT-H1/2

[fringe prairie]

nth1 i think

[icy sundial]

Dude I've reseated and repasted my set up every 6-8 months for years

Why even like hardware otherwise

[rigid fjord]

you don't need to do it that often, literally only once every 4 years

[icy sundial]

I should really go back to Arctic silver 5 to be honest. But again the need for that level of performance edge doesn't exist anymore

At least not since the single core overclocking days

[rigid fjord]

and if you use ptm7950/helios on the cpu, it's once in whenever

[hallow jasper]

AS5? What year is it

[icy sundial]

You're pushing the maximum life expectancy of mid-tier if not low tier thermal paste. I just like to deep clean the inside of my computer at that rate

And you can't deep clean any air-cooled computer without breaking it all down. And while I'm at it, I might as well squirt the squirt

[rigid fjord]

no, no you're really not

[plush kettle]

Deez

[icy sundial]

So are you trying to talk somebody out of washing their car because they like their car?

[hallow jasper]

No, thats not at all what they're saying.

[rigid fjord]

i still have 2 more years before i even need to think about doing a repaste on my cpu

[icy sundial]

I don't do it for performance, I don't do it because the paste dies out. I do it because it's the amount of cleaning that needs to be done before it starts to look dirty

[hallow jasper]

All it takes is a simple benchmark run to determine if your TIM application needs redoing. NT-H2, in my experience, goes for many years.

[rigid fjord]

literally a repaste only is needed if you're doing a cpu upgrade or there's a significant temp increase

[icy sundial]

And a Dusty air-cooled PC gets worse with time so I might as well tackle it while it starts to look dirty before it starts to perform dirty

[stable beacon]

i still have the super long post problem and i thought i was just getting frame skips but i think its unstable im not sure if i can test if the cpu might've been fried a couple months ago

[hallow jasper]

Stop wondering how things look and simply benchmark

[icy sundial]

And I've been doing this for years. It's not like I haven't seen a few degrees temperature improvement after doing it.

It's compounded from all the other things I clean, not just the thermal paste. But every time like clockwork

[hallow jasper]

Because you've been doing a thing for years has no bearing on its necessity.

[icy sundial]

Okay so how often should I clean the inside of my computer?

[hallow jasper]

Whenever you want

[icy sundial]

When I start to clean it when it starts to look dirty and the alternative being let it get dirty enough to affect performance

[rigid fjord]

once in a while, don't need to do a full stripdown for cleaning it

[icy sundial]

There's literally no point in not doing it as long as I'm willing to

[hallow jasper]

No one is suggesting what you should do, simply refuting the claims that modern thermal paste needs to be change at the intervals you're suggesting.

[icy sundial]

I totally agree except for the time that someone said I shouldn't use the thermal paste that I use because it has to be changed every 6 months

[rigid fjord]

for enough dust to build up to affect it, you either need to be in a super dusty location, or a good couple years of build up

[icy sundial]

Which I responded with. It doesn't matter because I change it every 6 months anyway

[hallow jasper]

I do a Cinebench run and if nothing is out of the ordinary, another year we go. Simple.

We're on 3 with the latest NT-H2 application. Simply zero need to unmount the cooler.

[rigid fjord]

not enough dust build up in 6 months to affect temps

[icy sundial]

Well I guess I live in a super Dusty location

Because the trigger isn't a 6-month timer, it's it's me seeing dust buildup on the edges of my case fans or my fan filters or my heatsink fins

I also like CFMmaxxing

So even in a mid-range Dusty environment, my computer makes it seem like I'm in a high dusty environment

[hallow jasper]

Its pretty normal to pull of the filters and give them a clean regularly. This shouldn't require a full teardown

[icy sundial]

I know it doesn't require one

[sleek ibex]

I keep my filters for intake and remove the ones that are exhaust personally

[icy sundial]

I don't know about you all but I like building computers especially when I get to do it for free

Especially when it makes everything look new and I get 3 to 5 ° temperature improvement

At most on occasion

[thorny pilot]

Hey, I just replaced the thermal paste on my CPU and reset my PC and noticed my cinebench scores are about half of what they should be. I have an i9-13900, and upon checking task manager the clock speed seems to be steady around 2.72 ghz and the fans are very very slow. Does anyone know why this should be happening?

[icy sundial]

It ain't easy running 35-40°C at max load while also going for silence

[hallow jasper]

Aircooled, with a modern desktop chip at max TDP isn't doing 35-40c

[icy sundial]

I'm tempted to start reseating with liquid metal just to upset people

[rigid fjord]

my front panel is quite literally a removable filter, though i have to move my pc to get at the one for the psu

[icy sundial]

This is why max TDP is avoided

[hallow jasper]

Name the chip and show Cinebench score results or you're just yapping

[icy sundial]

I always had fun with the specs you make not the specs you buy

[rigid fjord]

i look at tdp and laugh

65w tdp = 88-100w power draw in reality

[icy sundial]

Tdp is just how high the bar is raised for the amount of cooling required

[hallow jasper]

Either its ancient or some super low power chip but nothing recent is doing 40c under max load on an air cooler. I'm referring to Ryzen 5/ Core i5 full desktop parts from the last 4-5 years.

[wispy thunder]

what

[icy sundial]

You can counter any level of TDP with the right airflow and the right heat dissipation

[hallow jasper]

This guy is just bs'ing at this point. Not sure if its for attention or what

[icy sundial]

How much heat for how much power is being drawn. Therefore, if it's drawing X power it's creating y heat and the y is what you mitigate

[rigid fjord]

tdp means nothing realistically, it's not the power draw the cpu actually has

[icy sundial]

Tdp at least in what the community thinks is it draws x amount of power. Therefore it generates y amount of heat

[hallow jasper]

Still waiting to know what chip we're talking about and proof of this temp under full load (and scoring where it should be scoring in known benchmarks)

[rigid fjord]

65w tdp cpu btw

[hallow jasper]

You can't just make wild claims and not expect to be called on it

he got real quiet

[icy sundial]

What are you cooling with?

[rigid fjord]

i've made this cpu pull 97w and it didn't go above 80c at the time

[icy sundial]

If you say an AIO I'm going to act like I walk out of the room only because you would like that too much if I did for real

Wait I guess I should have clarified the miscommunication here. What do you all think I mean when I say Max load

[rigid fjord]

currently an lf2 240mm, but i could slap my freezer 34 esport duo and still get the same results

[icy sundial]

I'm not talking about prime 95 for 24 hours

I'm talking about the most I use it for

Which is probably a mistake on my part

[hallow jasper]

max load is max load. a single 60 second long Cinebench R23 run is max load

[icy sundial]

Yeah I was referring to Max in HW monitor

Like the max my setup has ever gotten with Temps constantly being recorded

For the uninitiated

[hallow jasper]

brother

[rigid fjord]

hwmonitor does a lot of misreporting tbh, use hwinfo

[icy sundial]

Nevertheless, the highest I've ever seen

I actually use both though

The whole gamut CPU Z all of them. Crystal for desks. Both versions obviously

Of course I use the anime version because why not?

[hallow jasper]

a benchmark run

[rigid fjord]

i run a light OC on my system also, so there's a small effect there

[rigid fjord]

fuck yeah, sweet score dude

[icy sundial]

So what do you do to get the most out of that?

[hallow jasper]

truth be told I froze my ass off for that. Sadly don't own that CPU or GPU anymore

[rigid fjord]

that's cinebench r23 running in realtime for that score

[hallow jasper]

That was also with an AK620 air cooler

[icy sundial]

I was born too early for a 30.4k bench to be how my dad said he met my mom. But I'd support it

[sleek ibex]

Deepcool: Ya Russkiiiiiiiiiiiiy IYKYK

[icy sundial]

That sounded like a shrouded insult but it wasn't LOL

[hallow jasper]

may they be free one day

[icy sundial]

Fins for the win

[rigid fjord]

tbf, they still be selling it under other names on amazon

[icy sundial]

I honestly miss single core overclocking

Or overclocking in general

Yeah yeah Uncle

[icy sundial]

Mad respect in this economy

[hallow jasper]

2023, the time of that run, was a different time

and we thought DDR5 was expensive then

[icy sundial]

I'm just glad I built my 16tb nas 3mo before the crash. Now I have a nest egg for my grandkids

[rigid fjord]

when i was using a b450

[versed ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-smash-cpu-gif-9399687

[icy sundial]

Ever since the hardware performance plateau I quit going for current gen hardware and started building around practicality

Not the hardware performance plateau but the hardware specs to gaming demand ratio plateaued I guess

You've been able to overpay and overspec your gaming computer two fold for a decade or more at this point.

[hallow jasper]

Fund to get rauko a new chip

[icy sundial]

Dual threadrippers

Started GoFundMe

[rigid fjord]

nah, i could do that by just selling my ram

[ivory mountain]

couldve given bro a 5600x if i didnt fucking break it

[icy sundial]

Ayooooooo

[rigid fjord]

already has oone

[icy sundial]

I have another admission that you all will think is hilarious and probably judge me for

[rigid fjord]

my ddr4 literally could buy me a 7600x + b650/b850

[icy sundial]

I'm currently running 48 GB of RAM

[rigid fjord]

if ddr5, this is fine, if ddr4, bad bad juju on you

[icy sundial]

I used to do hardware for a Fortune 50 company. I could literally build a fort for my niece out of 1 TB in nvmes and 4gb sodimms

I should probably get on selling that shit

[icy sundial]

When is 48 good no matter what?

I haven't tasted the luscious sweet teat of ddr5 yet. I'm still rocking am4 bruh

[rigid fjord]

when it's ddr5 because 2x24gb sticks exist naturally there and it's not a mixed config causing the imc to be in a hybrid/flex mode

[icy sundial]

I also haven't been able to tell the difference so my doctrine and code have yet to fail me

For example, I'm playing Resident Evil Requiem 120 to 160 FPS with all but three settings maxed

Volumetric fog, chromatic aberration and uh....

Something else but all 4k nonetheless

That's all I give a shit about these days

[ivory mountain]

peak peak peakiem

[icy sundial]

Save a lot of money not caring about sitting on a cinebench score. And you do in fact sit on it but I get it. I've been there. It's just more expensive to be there now than it was

[rigid fjord]

when i changed the mobo over before putting in the 5600x

[icy sundial]

I hots a 5800x

It seems aight

Maybe I should bench so you all can laugh at me

[clear canyon]

?

[icy sundial]

That was kind of tongue-in-cheek but

I know there's only one CPU for my socket. That's better than what I've got and I have ddr4 maxed out

For my motherboard at least

[clear canyon]

wdym one cpu thats better?

[icy sundial]

Uh

The x3d

[clear canyon]

for work loads, there is more than 1, same for gaming

[icy sundial]

For the am4 socket, there's only one CPU considered better than the one I've got and it's the x3d version apparently or at least last I checked

[clear canyon]

no

[icy sundial]

Well then I'm talking about gaming or my needs. Not in general of course

[clear canyon]

x3d wise, there is the 5600x3d, 5700x3d and 5800x3d

[rigid fjord]

pbo tune it, and do an actual oc on the ram then go bench it

[icy sundial]

But also pure numbers. There's only one better for my socket

[clear canyon]

no?

[rigid fjord]

5500x3d also

[clear canyon]

i forgot about that one

[hearty olive]

buy the 5100x3d amd puts out in 2028

[icy sundial]

Whether those numbers play out to be better, I'm saying the expectancy of the socket I'm using

[rigid fjord]

most do, it's a wierd one

[clear canyon]

idk what ur saying but its not correct

[sleek ibex]

Isn't AM4 a decade old at this point

[clear canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-ellie-cat-explosion-cat-explode-meme-nuclear-explosion-nuclear-ellie-gif-11491440842155618054

[clear canyon]

stop making me feel old

[icy sundial]

Then what's the correct version of what I'm saying?

[rigid fjord]

still viable because ram cost

[icy sundial]

That's not a challenge. This is me trying to learn

Or you know what I mean? It's not like being snarky or whatever

[sleek ibex]

fair point

[clear canyon]

idk what you mean tbh lol

try wording it differently

[wraith tree]

i have a pc that has ram locked to 2300 because of an oem mobo. how much do you think that will effect performance the ram can go to 3200

[clear canyon]

a good amount

[icy sundial]

As far as I know for my motherboard, I've capped out the type of CPU I can get aside from maybe one other CPU

[clear canyon]

like 20%

[icy sundial]

So I'm going to ride this platform out until I can rebuild an entire new setup on a new socket

[clear canyon]

you can use any am4 cpu in ur board

[icy sundial]

I know this sir

[sleek ibex]

If anything I'm just surprised to see AM4 see more releases

[icy sundial]

I'm saying they aren't going to keep making am4 CPUs

[clear canyon]

true, am4 is persistent

[icy sundial]

Or start making them again?

[clear canyon]

you never know, they keep rereleasing new cpus every once in a while

[icy sundial]

My entire point is if I upgrade anything it's going to be not a new part and what I've got. It's going to be a completely new platform that will facilitate upgrades for the next 5 years

[wraith tree]

the pc has a 10700 and a 2060 do you think it can run most games 100 fps+?

[icy sundial]

Aka am5

[clear canyon]

new AAA games, no, but older games and indie games, sure, depends on the game tho

[gilded harness]

"most games" is tough

[icy sundial]

Well I don't want to know so please don't tell me

I always need a reason to drop another $2,500 on something new and shiny once every 5 years

I'm a word before pack for AMD

[clear canyon]

what?

[wraith tree]

true

[icy sundial]

Ever since it was ATI for GPUs and since the athlon64

[clear canyon]

bro idk what ur talking about

[icy sundial]

There's a word here that can't be said

[clear canyon]

ur giving me mattp vibes

lmao

[icy sundial]

Here's the reference

[sleek ibex]

Not something that happens often.... Since Intel's LGA 775 platform (that platform went from 2004 - 2011)

[icy sundial]

Yeah what does persistent mean exactly

I mean, yeah, the quad core Duo is persistent in that it's used in POS systems at Walgreens

People don't upgrade because their CPU of all things goes out of support or stops working

[clear canyon]

im aware

[icy sundial]

It's a word before pack for ass

Anyways

7900xtx is my homie

He's gonna be the nonconformist 1080 in 6 years

[gilded harness]

like my pc isnt really capable doing 100+ fps in some games i play at max settings anymore (without dlss or whnatever)

[rigid fjord]

intel's lga 1151 tbf is the only one close to am4

[icy sundial]

Don't disrespect your wallets sacrifice by being offended

Whoever

[clear canyon]

what?

[icy sundial]

That was, funnily enough, what I upgraded from

[rigid fjord]

well yes, that 3070 has issues due to vram

[icy sundial]

AMD is my Dallas cowboys except they win on occasion

In the GPU league

[clear canyon]

uh

[icy sundial]

Whoa whoa dude I was going to help or try to

I got as far as Facebook marketplace

1060 is flagged noted

[clear canyon]

wth is ur pfp @devout yarrow

[icy sundial]

If you said something wrong in that wall of text you'll get a DM from Autobot saying what it was

At least it did for me

[gaunt spade]

i was just about to say that

[rigid fjord]

<@&750150305383186585> essentially a nsfw pfp

[icy sundial]

I'm on mobile so I'm working with about 7 cm

And I'd say I'm looking at a whole 8 in

[devout yarrow]

Anyways I bought this gpu it is 100% a 3050 6gb, and performs similar to one

Bruh I’ll change the pfp one sec

[icy sundial]

Hold on. I forgot to change my profile picture from my high school graduation photo

[devout yarrow]

Anyways anyone have any idea what brand it is

[gilded harness]

looks random

"made in canada"

[devout yarrow]

I’ve been all over the internet and cannot find a single other one that looks like mine

[icy sundial]

Test

Frick

[gaunt spade]

what does gpuz say

[icy sundial]

Oh my god dude that was so annoying

On mobile, the save button for changing your profile is right underneath where notifications pop up

[gaunt spade]

bro got kicked

[wraith tree]

yea i dont really mean max settings just anything viewable and not triple aaa it just needs to be signficantly better then a 1660 and i5 9400

[icy sundial]

I probably need to turn off notifications for everything but I couldn't fucking hit save

[icy sundial]

He got kicked for his his close up of two hot dogs or something

[gaunt spade]

😭

[icy sundial]

I don't know. I'm working with 7 mm

[gilded harness]

hmmm you could do something with dlss on 2060 at least so

[gaunt spade]

7mm is alot

[gilded harness]

as long as you dont play on freaky monitor like mine i think youll able to get 100+ fps

[icy sundial]

Before I upgrade it to a 7900 XTX

I was running a 5700 XT and the things that got me by were 1440p and FSR

[charred lotus]

PCV0690 RTX 3050 6gb 96BIT PCIE4.0 is what the back reads

[icy sundial]

I wouldn't even sacrifice ultra settings on 3/4 of things but depending on the game and your card you can literally get by

[clear canyon]

no with that resolution unless its old games

[icy sundial]

What monitor has that resolution like? What's the aspect ratio

[charred lotus]

Let me google if pcv is a gpu brand

[clear canyon]

its ultra wide

[icy sundial]

Is that 4K 219 or some shit?

Okay

So it's 1440p ultrawide

[clear canyon]

no? its 1440p

[icy sundial]

Yeah I noticed and corrected myself before you could. Thank goodness

I use an odyssey G9 for work but only at 1080

[charred lotus]

Idk where the guy went but I found it

[icy sundial]

And I haven't gamed on an ultrawide for 8 years

[gaunt spade]

got banned

[charred lotus]

But for $90 that ain’t a bad deal

[icy sundial]

He went the way of having a dual hot dog profile pic

[gaunt spade]

that saus 145$

[icy sundial]

I could have swore he said 3060

[gaunt spade]

nope

[charred lotus]

He said he paid $90

[icy sundial]

I believe you

[gaunt spade]

.

[gaunt spade]

still crappy gpu

[clear canyon]

3060 6gig is basically a 3050

8gig

[gaunt spade]

3060 8 gig is a scam

[charred lotus]

Yea but I mean name a better gpu you can buy for $90 that doesn’t need a power connector

[icy sundial]

I seriously can't believe they're even making sub 8. Gb vram gpus

[gaunt spade]

also 3050 6 gig

[abstract wigeon]

how come ltt revived game link and tech quickie?

[icy sundial]

Even in the 3-0 era to be honest

[clear canyon]

idk

[charred lotus]

I mean for super low budget mini itx builds the 3050 6gb ain’t bad

[icy sundial]

For Budget or for performance?

[charred lotus]

No need to worry about wiring and they don’t make a ton of heat

[gaunt spade]

🥀

[icy sundial]

I guess it depends on the minimum requirements for what you're trying to game

[charred lotus]

The 3050 ain’t a bad gpu it’s just priced terribly, but $90 the performance equivalent is a 1660 super and they are $90 anyways so longer driver support and “Ray tracing”

[gaunt spade]

bro said ray tracing

[icy sundial]

What's the range for ideal mining again?

Was it the 3-0 or the 40 they when they introduced lhr I don't remember

I haven't owned a Nvidia GPU since 8800 GTX

[topaz shale]

for strip mining its y=-58 for diamonds

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fah-faaaah-faaah-fckpmEk1mKHKJXwDGJ

[icy sundial]

BTC is a trigger for me

Hissssss

[charred lotus]

Made the switch to amd and can’t go back, unless I get a good deal idk, I’ve never bought a brand new gpu in my life, I currently have a 7900xtx and I paid like $500 for it

[icy sundial]

That's literally what I've got

[sleek ibex]

Back when XFX made cards for Nvidia

[icy sundial]

Or EVGA for that matter because that's what mine was

I went went One singular build of having Intel and Nvidia at the same time and it was the 8800 GTX build

[gaunt spade]

used to have a 7900xtx too my beloved

[icy sundial]

I want to say my Intel CPU is the q6600 which was a good one because of that one hack

[sleek ibex]

I actually have my old EVGA GTX 285 somewhere

[icy sundial]

My first GPU ever was an ATI 9800 with 256 MB of vram and I pre-ordered that shit

The 256 version it was 128 with launch

[charred lotus]

I have the merc “black edition” but the damn top of the card is aluminum and it looks silver, I mean for $500 I can’t complain but for being a “black” card it should be all black not just the front

[icy sundial]

Dude me too wtf

I don't know if it's the Black edition but it's Merck something with a one and a three or maybe something else

MERC13

[charred lotus]

Yeaaa

[icy sundial]

Dude, it's a solid card I haven't overclocked right now at almost 3100 MHz

[charred lotus]

Niceeeee

[icy sundial]

I was reluctant at first

[charred lotus]

I was tempted to sell it for a 9070xt but they are almost the same performance so I’ll wait a few gens

[icy sundial]

But after seeing how power color has become somewhat known as good I was like fuck it the reviews seem ok

[charred lotus]

Bring back crossfire I wanna have dual 9070xt

[icy sundial]

Power color used to be the ADATA of GPUs

At least in public perception

[gaunt spade]

yea i had that too

[wraith tree]

probably wouldnt play any games that you would use dlss on

[thorny saddle]

hi

[gaunt spade]

as you can see in my bed

[clear canyon]

hi

[icy sundial]

I'm AMD for Life dude. Thank God they're finally in a glory era

[gaunt spade]

amd drivers

[charred lotus]

Is it worth vertical mounting the gpu? I know it kills performance but I have a lian li 011 vision so my airflow is just ok

[icy sundial]

Intel is struggling lately except for budget gpus. Apparently I'll just take people's word for it

Particularly Linus

If I ever build my unborn son a Roblox rig, I'll remember what Linus said about Intel gpus

[charred lotus]

No my buddy bought a intel arc 750 and they are like the performance of a 3060 8gb and he paid like $114 on eBay, idk that seems like fantastic value

[icy sundial]

So they are budget gpus right off the shelf

[rigid fjord]

it doesn't kill performance, that's a falacy, the issues is that depending on the case many vertically mount them right up close to the side panel, however with lian li, they have a vertical mount to replace the pcie slot cover

[charred lotus]

And the intel arc “founders edition cards (idk what they call them” look sexy

[icy sundial]

They're breaking into the resale GPU market off the shelf

Again I can't hate on them because at least they are letting AMD get ahead literally everywhere else

To be honest, I've been waiting for Nvidia to acquire Intel for at least 3 years

[rigid fjord]

they ain't letting amd do anything, they've done some shit and it's backfired on them a bit

[icy sundial]

The level of sheer sheer neck break increase in evaluation that Nvidia has seen in the last 5 years is unprecedented

[charred lotus]

Honestly intel should stick to what they are doing, they need to market themselves to the dell optiplex kids and sell more high performance gpus that run off of the pcie expresslanes power. Would make a killing

[icy sundial]

Yeah, you can't ignore it when you look into it, but I can't believe people aren't talking about it even more. It's insane

[rigid fjord]

you'll never have a high performing gpu doing that

[charred lotus]

Not high performance but like good budget gpus

[icy sundial]

12 a share to 180 in 5 years is insane

[charred lotus]

Like 5060 performance but it’s like $210

I’m telling you people would buy those so fast

[icy sundial]

Do the 60 70 80 90 versions of Nvidia gpus operate the same way that Intel does with their i5 7 9

[rigid fjord]

intel has an igpu that already performs like a 3050 as it is

[sleek ibex]

More or less

[icy sundial]

Where they're all the same thing, but they're designated as I-9, i7 or i5 based on the level of defects in the lithography

[obtuse yew]

Wasn't this literally just the b580 before inflation?

[icy sundial]

And then they just bypass all the defects, therefore becoming a lower performing CPU and depending on that they classify it in the tier

[charred lotus]

Yea but the 580 needs power connectors

[rigid fjord]

amd also has an igpu that performs like a 3060 though

[modern sage]

Hello, I recently got a philips dvp3142/12 player from a friend, but I found out that the only way to skip songs is with the remote, which I don't have.
Is anyone here familiar with the player's board? I'm sure the guts for the "skip ability" are on the board but I can't find them

[icy sundial]

Performs isn't the same as numbers on paper. Are you talking about performs or numbers on paper?

I'll believe either one and I have no bias. I'm just clarifying

[rigid fjord]

google will know

[icy sundial]

Don't be one of those dudes in a tech channel dismissing people asking for help dude

That being said, yeah that's a question for Google

[obtuse yew]

That is such a specific ask though you can't expect people here to know

[icy sundial]

[rigid fjord]

it's literally a googlable thing to ask

[charred lotus]

As a man who hates chat gpt, that would be an amazing ChatGPT question

[hearty olive]

problem solved, 5060 performance with no power connector

[icy sundial]

Yeah I just didn't have time to read it before one dude Did the Google it thing

[modern sage]

I'm sorry but did I confuse Linus' Discord server for Reddit? You think I haven't tried?

[icy sundial]

But still maybe I spent too long dealing with tech illiterate people

[charred lotus]

Lol I work at a Bestbuy that’s half my job

[icy sundial]

This guy gets it

[icy sundial]

Yeah, but you're not paid to do it. You just expected to which is a difference

I'm not saying you haven't dealt with it. I've just had to deal with being fired if I don't do it Well I guess is what I'm trying to say

[rigid fjord]

that takes pcie power, and no it has 3070 performance, not 5060

[icy sundial]

I came up with some pretty good hacks for like a better word

Telling someone over the phone to hit Windows key are and then a specific command to opened network connections for example

Is infinitely easier than trying to get them to navigate their mouse in the right place Eight different times

[modern sage]

i was considering asking jewGPT but i thought its better to ask fellow meat n bone creatures

[charred lotus]

Idk I just love gpus that don’t need power connectors they just interest me, idk how to explain it, like obviously you can push more performance into a card with enough voltage and everything else, but to limit a gpu to just what’s available on the pcie lane and just make it run as fast as possible is interesting, like comparing the performance of a 1050ti to like a rx 6400 or rtx 3050

[icy sundial]

There are better sects

[obtuse yew]

We really just had to go there didn't we 🫩

[charred lotus]

🫩

[hearty olive]

ah couldn't see it

a2000 then

[icy sundial]

Oh my God. Speaking of AI, we were recently to told that we are being tracked on how often we use AI

[obtuse yew]

Racism in my tech server?

[icy sundial]

As a metric like the higher you use it the better. What the fuck did I even go to school for

[rigid fjord]

quadro's, by default they take pcie or eps power connectors depending on model released

[hearty olive]

lol no? what?

many many quadros don't take external power

[modern sage]

ye but anyway ima ask the robot for help and if I can't ill just stick to my cd writer/reader for playing discs, if the player worked would look so much better in my room n whatnot

[charred lotus]

Idk I have several no power connector gpus laying around for fun, like a gt 710, a gt 1030, gtx 1050ti, gtx 1650, and a rtx 3050 6gb

[icy sundial]

They're just products of their environment. You can't blame them for how they were raised and what they feel like they need to do in order to survive

[charred lotus]

Ok Sexter

[rigid fjord]

if you did, you would have brought up the pcb for it

[gaunt spade]

hi notch

[icy sundial]

Depending on what you're asking for help with and I can't be bothered scrolling up, try Gemini or copilot

[rigid fjord]

many do take external power

[icy sundial]

They all have their strengths

[modern sage]

something something 40-vp3140-mae2g

[icy sundial]

So.... something something something

[obtuse yew]

[icy sundial]

I like to think the edit was misspelling something

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/speed-ishowspeed-abdullahaljashami-iDEUliJPsgrNIJ23Lr

[charred lotus]

I really wanna overclock the hell out of my gt 1030 and see what performance I can push on it

[icy sundial]

Words go brrrr

[abstract wigeon]

“low budget” and “mini itx” are opposites

[icy sundial]

This is actually an extremely good point

[obtuse yew]

Hey all I'm saying is that you could have at least waited a week to become political

[icy sundial]

I didn't even hear what you said that in response to

[abstract wigeon]

if youre on a low budget you will go atx

[icy sundial]

But I also didn't have to because it's all inconsequential

[charred lotus]

I meannnnn yea but like if you must have a mini itx and you wanna spend as little money as possible used 3050 6gb aren’t terrible

[icy sundial]

Mini ITX is the easiest way to not spend as little money as possible

[abstract wigeon]

nope as soon as you go mini itx youre already spending far more on every part than an atx system, why compromise on the gpu when everything else is a premium

[icy sundial]

You're throwing hundreds of dollars into the budget simply by choosing mini ITX

[charred lotus]

I mean why not

[abstract wigeon]

yes, if you cant afford a better gpu just go atx and get a good system instead of itx and a bad system

[charred lotus]

Your only really spending like $100 more on a motherboard

[icy sundial]

Spending as little as possible. That's a good reason why not

[rigid fjord]

nah, just go matx

[icy sundial]

I swear to God people hell-bent on mini ITX outside of people who just haven't done it before and want to after several other PC builds

[rigid fjord]

100 more on psu also

[abstract wigeon]

sameish prices as as atx no?

[sleek ibex]

mATX has always been popular amongst mid range and budget buyers

[icy sundial]

Unless you want the physical challenges of building a mini ITX build which they are a lot

[charred lotus]

We can send pc part picker list links here right?

[rigid fjord]

can be, but it's essentially best of both worlds

[icy sundial]

You just want to build your own console

I can't think of any other two scenarios where many ITX is ideal

[abstract wigeon]

its true

[charred lotus]

I mean i want to have a living room pc and that would be cool

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NhCjXf

[icy sundial]

Like a living room, gaming PC or a living room media? PC server situation

Honestly, you might want to wait for the steam box to release. That's exactly the market. They're investing billions of dollars into creating the steam box for

[sleek ibex]

mATX and even SFF is popular in East and SE Asia from what I hear

[charred lotus]

I mean tell me where in this list did I spend more money then I would on a atx build besides the motherboard

[rigid fjord]

itx is to small for me to fit my hands in the case, and what you're suggesting is all doable on matx and in the same footpring an itx case has@icy sundial

[charred lotus]

And you could honestly use any other gpu you wanted

Mini itx ain’t really that much more expensive yall just ain’t willing to buy used parts

[icy sundial]

Mini ITX is like ultra nightmare mode, hardware enthusiasts and they do it on purpose for that reason

In my experience at least

There's nothing wrong with it exactly, but the goal isn't to achieve anything other than throwing money and time and effort at achieving something you can do a lot cheaper

At least from the challenge hardware enthusiast standpoint

Budget mini ITX build don't exist as far as I'm concerned

[charred lotus]

Honestly I’ve built like 10 pcs at this point I’d just do one because it’s fun and I want a challenge and when it comes to cost it’s only like $100 extra dollars then any other atx build so that’s not to bad

[icy sundial]

That's exactly what I was trying to say

Most of the people I know who built one didn't do it out of necessity or anything. They did it because they haven't yet and they want to because they've done everything else

[charred lotus]

Yes but like $100 extra isn’t really like “throwing money away”

[rigid fjord]

it's more than just "$100" over atx/matx build

[icy sundial]

Depends on who you're asking and if you're only spending a hundred extra dollars cutting costs in areas you wouldn't have to on a full size, build or even a midsize build

[charred lotus]

@rigid fjord Prove me wrong

[rose stream]

[icy sundial]

We're not debating on whether or not you can build a functional mini ITX PC and only spend $100 extra dollars which in itself is asinine

But if you want to build a mini itxpc with the same performance at the same price point as a mid-tower size PC, you're delusional

[rigid fjord]

750w atx psu = 60-100, 750w sfx psu = 100-200, matx/atx mobo = 60-200, itx mobo = 150-400

[icy sundial]

And I mean best value for your money, not a $300 mini ITX and a $300 mid Tower

To performance shit I need more fireball

[charred lotus]

I mean that’s what I’m debating, I’m well away they are a pain to build and they have thermal issues, but cost wise they arnt really all that much more

[icy sundial]

Yeah, those mini ITX psus are almost as overpriced as the motherboards. Those are the two things that'll get you

[rose stream]

It's only "ultra nightmare mode" if you:

• Pick a case with a bizarre or suboptimal layout with really tight tolerances.
• Want a specific level of performance that requires parts with requirements beyond the physical build itself.
• Only want to spend a certain amount without compromise, when compromise in itself is necessary.

[icy sundial]

Price to performance comparison to a mid Tower PC alternative

[rigid fjord]

you do realise the specific mobo you chose is $350-400 on it's own

[sinful cobalt]

I use my tower as a table to put shit on

[icy sundial]

You could spend $400 on a mid tower ATX motherboard and it do everything short of be your girlfriend

By comparison pure hyperbole of course

[gaunt spade]

rich

[sinful cobalt]

not rich just stupid

[icy sundial]

And for that matter, the $400 mini ITX motherboard won't even have an anime girl on it somewhere

[gaunt spade]

rich and stupid

[icy sundial]

Let that sink in

[rose stream]

It is certainly possible to pay less or the equivalent, accomplish a lot, and get something both functional and workable in an SFF pc, unless all the above I mentioned is the choices you end up making. Only THEN it'll be an issue.

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-let-that-sink-in-clxstra12345-flBvI5cFeuS1d3mFQj

[icy sundial]

So going for a mini ITX build while needing to ask basic PC build questions... I feel like I've seen this somewhere before

[sinful cobalt]

Its only a B850M with 32GB of ram

[rigid fjord]

or have long hands

[gaunt spade]

RAM

[icy sundial]

Well go on. Let him in

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/caption-hes-reaching-lY2TAkBV3aspdwbGNX

[rose stream]

And I'm saying that in general as someone who's built and rebuilt an SFF rig in two different cases of different layouts.

[icy sundial]

The cop on the far right looks like when you drag your finger across one of those notebooks that makes the sound

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/let-that-sink-in-6cLvxvKqIMxHMr8PPk

[rose stream]

The weird console/HTPC layout and the easier sandwich/box layout.

[sinful cobalt]

If you dont have a sub 10L box what are you doing

[gaunt spade]

i cant understand this

[icy sundial]

Your tenor searching is unmatched

[gaunt spade]

tank you sar

[rose stream]

Both are actually not that hard, so as long as you're not trying to do stupid intentionally.

[icy sundial]

There's no rational reason to go for mini ITX and let's see have the knowledge and the money and you want the challenge. Or you don't know what you're getting yourself into price wise.

[gaunt spade]

itx cheap

[icy sundial]

Going for Budget even remotely with mini ITX. You're going to sacrifice performance in ways that isn't worth it unless you're confined to wanting the challenge or you live in a fucking van or something and you can't give up an extra 1.5 square feet of space

You can do it, and you can do it well. But you're not going to have more than a mid-tier gaming experience at the benefit of a lunch box instead of a briefcase on your desk

For more money

[gaunt spade]

nah you can do budget small p

[charred lotus]

There’s definitely a want for pcs that size tho, it’s the exact reason people buy consoles and why the steam machine will sell well, well that and some people don’t want to build pcs

[icy sundial]

Yeah, in the same way that I can play Doom off of a raspberry pie

[sinful cobalt]

stay away from itx if you cant cope with the itx tax

[gaunt spade]

nah without sacrificing performance

[icy sundial]

But you can't do $1,000 gaming performance mini ITX that you can with $1,000 mid Tower you can't

[sinful cobalt]

its primarily the case and PSU price as well as expansion

[rose stream]

^You only deal with this btw if you want the most out of the size.

[gaunt spade]

if you look in the right places

[sinful cobalt]

I plan on either a velka 3 or a midori 5L for 2027

[icy sundial]

And I'm not even a word before pack about mid tower. I'm just saying if you want an entry-level gaming PC, you're going to have to put aside your aesthetic ideals of having a Stark cube on your desk instead of a normal computer

[rose stream]

Old pic, but this my rig in it's current case.

[sinful cobalt]

both require flex psus and both at best fit a 5070

[gaunt spade]

velka 3 and those kind of cases pmo

[sinful cobalt]

velka 3 at best fits the 5070 mini, but possibly I could be getting a 5060ti cyclone

Midori 5L would be a 5070FE

[gaunt spade]

i bought one

[rigid fjord]

you're going to have fun finding a capable atx flex psu for it

[rose stream]

I'm sticking with my Meshilicious (as seen in the pic) for a while longer. It's working out quite well for me so far. Even fits my 7900XT, which the PG-OC variant.

[gaunt spade]

buy a knockoff and not the original velka its too expensive

[icy sundial]

If you want to build a gaming computer and you want to get the best performance for your money, don't go mini ITX simple as that. Unless you want to see how much money you can spend for the most challenging and restrictive build experience

[sinful cobalt]

so lets just ignore the enp-7660L. Ok.

[icy sundial]

Most people pay the premium for the restrictive and challenging build experience. They don't do it for desk space unless they don't give a shit about money in any capacity

[sleek ibex]

I've considered getting one of those Meshilicious cases

[sinful cobalt]

Choices are still open till 2027 it just has to be 4-5L

[rose stream]

If your timing is bad on parts, then yes. Otherwise, no, you'd pay only slightly more if you play your cards right for a reasonable amount of performance.

[gaunt spade]

2027?

[rigid fjord]

isn't that like 200-300 for it?

[gaunt spade]

💀

[icy sundial]

We're not talking about a seasoned PC builder making the best with the restrictions of mini ITX if as if it's like an episode of iron chef

[rose stream]

They have a version of it that accepts mATX called the Meshroom S too.

[icy sundial]

We're talking about somebody who obviously doesn't know the restrictions they're putting on themselves by wanting a small, cool looking desktop computer

Not talking about the person who brought up the topic I'm talking about in general

[rose stream]

Dude, I'm not even seasoned. I literally built into a Node 202 as a rookie with little building experience.

[charred lotus]

Why tf is freesync so common my buddy bought a $100 tv a while back and it supported freesync, bruh I bet Samsung smart fridges support it

[sleek ibex]

An itx dual 280 rad case would be lovely

[sinful cobalt]

600w in a flex PSU cant complain

[icy sundial]

Then what's your goal for? What's the price to goal balance you're looking for?

[rose stream]

You're talking somebody who doesn't know what they're doing? THAT Node 202 build was literally my first ever build I did not myself, not putting back together someone else's.

[icy sundial]

You want to play games on your TV in your living room?

[rose stream]

I never do that.

[gaunt spade]

just shove a big pc under somewhere nearby

[icy sundial]

All right me neither even though I wish I did

I would probably put a couch in my gaming room before I put a gaming PC in my living room to be honest, but that's besides the point

[rose stream]

Iiii don't wish for it either because I don't need to?

[rigid fjord]

silverstone has the same wattage version for half that in cost

[sinful cobalt]

you can literally search youtube guides and they state what components they use primarily you only need to care about CPU cooler and what GPU model, and they have a full guide on how they routed their cables

[icy sundial]

I just ran 40 gbps USB c through my house and have my big screen 4k as an external monitor

Jk

[gaunt spade]

rich

nvm

[icy sundial]

I mean I could do that, but again I wasn't born. Rich and I didn't become a PC nerd while rich

[rigid fjord]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HH6p99/ <- possible to get this at around $150 equivalence @sinful cobalt

[sinful cobalt]

not readily available

[icy sundial]

I'm pretty sure there's several other better ways to do that than what I said anyways

[gaunt spade]

rich 4k tv man

[versed ferry]

CPU go brrrrrrr

[icy sundial]

I don't even have a 4K TV LOL

I have a 4K gaming monitor though sheeeeit

[rigid fjord]

that's a pain

[gaunt spade]

RICH MUCH PPI

[rose stream]

The reason I started out building in sff first is because:

• I grew up with mostly all-in-one systems like iMacs, consoles, and laptops and I found the compactness suited my lifestyle.

• I've only ever found reasons to build something functional for moving around or putting things into tight spaces where real estate is not a luxury I can afford space-wise.

• I wanted something different that wasn't that limiting, and I can tell you one thing:
  I most certainly ain't limited by my build's size.

[icy sundial]

Don't get me started on my Odyssey G9 for my work monitor

[versed ferry]

I didn't get one until my old TV died two years ago. Got an LG C3. Beautiful.

[icy sundial]

But I didn't pay for that so that doesn't count as being rich

[versed ferry]

Run my PC on it right now

[gaunt spade]

rich j*b

[icy sundial]

Well sonny Boy, if you work hard and sell your soul to the corporate demons that control every waking hour of our lives, you might end up working for one of them dumb enough to write you a check

/S

[gaunt spade]

i aint workin for nobody

[icy sundial]

Well said

[rose stream]

Also, my rig itself actually was an affordable mid-end system when I started out. The only parts of it that got pricey was the mobo and that was because it was in higher-than-usual demand, then I timed buying my cpu badly and missed out on a deal. Those two things aside however, my rig if done with budget in mind could've been done for mid-high end back then around late-2019/early-2020 before the 30 series drop and crypto craze.

[icy sundial]

I started doing a glorified warehouse job. It just so happened to be inventory of computers for a huge company

[charred lotus]

Or you work at Bestbuy and you get really good open box deals, my coworker got a 4060 prebuilt with an i5 14gen and 16gb of ram with 1tb of storage for $250, and I got a 4k full array 144hz monitor for $200

[icy sundial]

And less than 6 years later, I'm making glorified power points for corporate executives to look good to their bosses so their bosses can look good to their bosses and so on

[sinful cobalt]

buying from ali/ebay would also be more expensive than the 7660l

[gaunt spade]

imagine working for someone

[icy sundial]

I'm a senior system business analyst!!!!!!!!

I hate my job. never don't not work for yourself

[sinful cobalt]

still waiting zzzz

[icy sundial]

Close

[rose stream]

That is confusing.

[icy sundial]

Yeah I messed that up

[gaunt spade]

good pay?

[icy sundial]

All right, I am going to give you all some sage advice cuz I'm assuming you all are mid to early twenties if not younger and I don't mean that in a demeaning way

[sleek ibex]

What did you buy?

[rose stream]

... Dude...
I'm 31.

[icy sundial]

Every single Corporation or business for that matter needs somebody with our skills in computers

[sinful cobalt]

a waterbottle and one of em ltt spec cables

[icy sundial]

It's a fine line between being the back of the house fixing the computers required by whatever the fuck the business is doing

And slipping into the business side. Never do that

[gaunt spade]

bro said mid to early twenties ok unc

[gaunt spade]

one foot in the grave already

[icy sundial]

Oh I'm an uncle

Your dad probably beat me up in high school before raising you like shit

[rose stream]

So am I, to 4 kids.

Literally.

[icy sundial]

I'm 39

I thought you all would have known this when I said I've been an AMD fan since they were ATI LOL

[sleek ibex]

My younger cousin and his wife have three kids

[clear canyon]

yeah im 22 lol

[gaunt spade]

ur more then twice my age

[icy sundial]

Unless you had no idea what the fuck I was talking about and I don't know why I didn't realize that

[rose stream]

That's gonna be when I hit 40 or later.
I don't have any foot in the grave till I or God decides they belong there.

[icy sundial]

Do you think I would have given advice to people my age? I am Ernest with the advice fr

If you're good at computers and you get a job and computers, you're going to be injected into literally any possible industry on planet Earth

I guess the real lesson is don't climb the corporate ladder too high unless you want to leave doing what you liked doing originally

[rose stream]

. . .
I just got here.
I didn't see the rest of the conversation yet.

[icy sundial]

Because if your it for an oil refinery or a hospital or a strip club if you get promoted enough times you're not going to be doing IT anymore

[pure trellis]

Oh,my,so positivity in my tc1

[icy sundial]

Hop jobs for better pay

[clear canyon]

depends where you work

[gaunt spade]

im just gonna open up my own computer store

[icy sundial]

Well yeah of course if you work for a tech company but most computer nerds no offense cuz I'm one too. They don't get entry-level jobs at Intel or you know

That's why I'm saying hop jobs because that's the type of ceiling you want to advance into

[rose stream]

Personally, I'd rather just work somewhere local as long as I'm fine with the skillset I learn while there and it benefits later outside of work, like working in the kitchen of one of our pizzerias.

[icy sundial]

Because if your it for a hospital you peak after 20 years of becoming your boss when you started

[pure trellis]

Desk jobs are still a thing in tech corporations, right?

[icy sundial]

But depending on the size of the company which my company is huge like top 50 largest in the country. You can still leave tech while it not being a tech job

[pure trellis]

Still not disappointed, interesting

[icy sundial]

You're speaking tech language while being a corporate shill more or less

[rose stream]

Yes.

[rigid fjord]

dude, from the way you've spoken, it's more like you're in your 20's

[icy sundial]

So correct me you're acting like I'm inexperienced in some field. Let me know how and why

[charred lotus]

Anyone know where one could pick up an rx6400 on the cheap, like some weird Chinese import business that sells aftermarket gpus like soyo for example?

[icy sundial]

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just wondering your perspective because you've obviously experienced different

[rose stream]

Comes off that way to me too.

[gaunt spade]

6400 isnt cheap anywhere

[pure trellis]

I mean,he is still positive about life, that's barely 25

[charred lotus]

I want one so badly

[rigid fjord]

you quite literally assumed everyone here is in their 20-30's

[gaunt spade]

same but its more expensive thrn better cards

[rose stream]

Either that, or I'm just too used to Grillin Dad elsewhere and 5nail here. Lol.

[charred lotus]

Yea but it’s really cool

[rigid fjord]

isn't snail like 28 or so?

[rose stream]

Is he? Ironic.

[gaunt spade]

gotta overpay then

[sleek ibex]

He's close to his 40s IIRC

[icy sundial]

I literally said that disclaimer specifically to make sure that everyone knew I was only speaking to those people. If they needed the advice

[rose stream]

Ah, sounds more accurate.

[icy sundial]

Why else would I say that unless I knew there might be a variance and I knew I might come off as talking down to anyone and everyone here

That's literally what I was trying to avoid. Surely that isn't all you've got. I was hoping for some actual feedback with some weight

[pure trellis]

LTT is like 15 years old and always were targeted to young adults

[rigid fjord]

all i know is that he's around 5-10 years younger than me on that front

[icy sundial]

Linus is about 4 months older than me

[rose stream]

Meanwhile, Grillin (he's Dawid's irl friend from Washington, a.k.a. THE DawidDoesTechStuff) is like in 50s or so and guy's an ex-military who now is an elevator technician with electrical engineering under his belt, while being a pc nerd on the side.

[icy sundial]

And I've been following him ever since YouTube came about and I thought to search for computer tips on YouTube

[sleek ibex]

NGL I am surprised that I am older than Jake

[rose stream]

Even has kid who's probably 20 or so now.

[pure trellis]

Oh,LTT is 17 years old

[rose stream]

Who he also kicked out of our server for being inaccurate, which will never stop being funny. XD

[formal sonnet]

Was gonna say... Plus, when you reach 30+ your back starts to tell you it's time for the grave. 💀

[icy sundial]

November 24th 2008 bro

Which is oddly close to Linus's actual birthday

Actually no it's not his birthday. It's August 20th. I just googled it

[rigid fjord]

i saw a video clip on facebook related to this, and a nursery rhyme

[rose stream]

2008 was a year after my family moved away from my birth home to Virginia.

[icy sundial]

What was your birth home?

[rose stream]

Clarksville, Tennessee.

[haughty compass]

Question, do u guys think this looks like normal wear and tear for 4 yrs of light use and 2 yrs of daily use?

[icy sundial]

I'm not that far due west of Virginia

I'm not that far due north of Tennessee imagine that

This is where @rose stream triangulates