tech-chat-1

[jaunty apex]

Like you're starting to dip into high level enthusiast/enterprise territory with what you're wanting

[hardy horizon]

I did a NAS build,

the original plan from like November didn't happen because I ordered everything and then the third party seller on Amazon ghosted me and took my money and it took 3 months for Amazon to finally give me my money back... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g9PTW9

The hard drives are allegedly going to be here today but they've been delayed 5 days in a row now so who knows when they are going to show up

[empty quartz]

I think i might have an extremely large memory bus width for a laptop

[jaunty apex]

Ah went back to Jonsbo ok

[flat cliff]

2070 super founders edition and a 5600x stock cooler. How hot will the air coming out be because I'm having an argument/debate about if the PC case I 3D printed is good or going to melt onto the components and be worse then using nothing.

[empty quartz]

2070 Supper

[hardy horizon]

I was told and I do honestly believe that my old 14900HX and 4090 combo was overkill for what I needed to do. So I didn't need a level performance quite that high but I needed something relatively similar to that but I also need it all day battery life capabilities when doing mundane things like web browser activities.

This was something the Intel could not do no matter what even just web browsing you got Max an hour out of it maybe 90 minutes if I was really lucky.

That's when Apple came in because you have the ability to sit there and sip power at 3 to 4 Watts all day long and then when you need to get something done it fires up and goes and you have amazing performance per watt so even though the battery may not last as long as you think that it should it's also using considerably less energy per calculation.

[flat cliff]

What about it?

[empty quartz]

2070 is not dinner

[flat cliff]

I never said it was.

[empty quartz]

Supper means dinner

[flat cliff]

Oh typo

Fixed it

[hardy horizon]

Solution?
So I clearly need more RAM and storage, I feel like having more cores would also help give that boost I'm looking for.
With stuff off loading to the GPU, am I correct saying the M4 Pro 14C simply won't be enough of an upgrade and still has the tiny memory pipes.

It was mentioned to me most likely the CPU is waiting on the RAM. And that I probably have enough IPC, but need bigger pipes.

Since I just bought this a few months ago and am losing $1,000 getting rid of it I wanna make sure I don't have to do it again.

36GB won't be enough Ram from the M4 BabyMax.

So that leaves:

M4 14C pro 48GB 1TB ($2,950) - probably not enough of an upgrade to justify.

M4 MAX 16C 64GB 1TB ($4,050) - probably enough for my needs
-M4 MAX 16C 128GB 1TB ($4,850) - "overkill" but shockingly BELOW market value to add 64GB ram ....

[flat cliff]

How hot the air gonna get?

[empty quartz]

If you need memory bandwidth get the max

[hardy horizon]

High end yes, enterprise no ...

[jaunty apex]

Yeah apple just has their shit down when it comes to software and their hardware integrating with it or vice versa. Far as the memory issue goes relative to performance and desired efficiency.. Guess you just need to spend more on a mac

[hallow jasper]

you want us to tell you how hot the exhaust air will be on a GPU?

[flat cliff]

And the CPU if that matters but yeah I don't have a thermal camera.

[empty quartz]

@hardy horizon as a resident apple salesperson/technician, get the max; go for base storage with upgraded ram, and get an external drive

[hallow jasper]

Well, good luck. That seems like it can probably be worked out with some math knowing its a 215W TDP card

[empty quartz]

Its still funny how im fully certified for repairs, but i am not working as a technician lol

[flat cliff]

Uh how?

[hallow jasper]

Math

[hardy horizon]

So my Intel did 2k, same as M4 max, my M4 pro 12 core does 1,300.

What i didn't know was how much stuff on Mac gets offloaded to GPU because the GPU is substantially more efficient... Having that baby GPU is hurting me. Originally I was told Jeep you didn't matter cuz Max don't have the ability to game and I mean I've tried it in the rare titles that I have that are compatible and ... yeah it doesn't work and neither does G-Force now.

[flat cliff]

But what math? I do not feel like we have enough variables here.

[hardy horizon]

That's the issues I don't KNOW what I need.
We were sitting at 100% all core load, 24 GB of swap active Memory pressure 3... and I don't have a way to know, was the CPU running at 100% because it was waiting on RAM? OR was the CPU at its maximum abilities?

These both have very different solutions 😭 $$$$

Having performance for heavy workloads, and battery life for light workloads in the same device is very difficult to find, apple is the only one in the game. The big X9 panther lake competes with M5.

So you are basically stuck with Apple it's just I'm not familiar enough real world to know what I need.

[clear canyon]

why you doing @lethal bay like that

[empty quartz]

Whats the main use

You’re quite wrong to say the least

[hardy horizon]

Like if you told me hey build yourself a Windows laptop that's actually really easy for me. I know I like large bit bus for my Vram, I slumped for a very long time you met 16 gigs of RAM then I had a machine at 32 gigs which was fine and then for my most recent one I went 64GB ( because you have to disassemble it down to the FRAME to replace it) and that for me is really the sweet spot.
From there it's really about like CPU architecture differences and some other stuff like that I do have kind of like an underlying baseline that I do like a lot of L3 cache but again it depends on architecture.

So for Windows laptop this is actually really easy.

• 5080 mobile if I want the same performance as I have with the 4090, honestly if I'm buying a rig probably going to go ahead and take it up to the 5090
• mini LED screen or OLED certified for HDR 1,000
• 64 GB ram
• good keyboard (Lenovo level)
• And 100wh battery.

The one thing I would seek out is a strong iGPU if available, so that way when I'm doing less intensive tasks ideally we can actually sip power.

When I want to Mac, I have never actually owned one. And my last experience interacting with one was eMac. So I was lost and heavily depended on users feedback.

Messed up, WAYY under bought, and now gotta buy a different one.

[hardy horizon]

Okay so my M4 MAX, 128GB, 1TB would be the recommendation?

[empty quartz]

Same soc, same ram, base storage

Is it a macbook, or a studio?

[hardy horizon]

That is base for MAX

[hardy horizon]

Macbook 14

[empty quartz]

Stay with that then

Wait

M5 max is out

[hardy horizon]

Honestly if I'm just looking at it from the limited information I have...

it just straight up doesn't have enough power. It has plenty of IPC for single core but I need a lot more multicore. (20% maybe) And MUCH more GPU.

What I misunderstood is, to me binned was always like cherry-picked good chips... What people were talking about binned M4 pros (12 cores) ... those are all defective M4 pro 14 cores and that makes sense ... because mine runs 10 Watts heavier than anybody else's does to get the same level performance.

[hardy horizon]

I know,

[empty quartz]

I just found out

[hardy horizon]

Here is my concern with M5 pro/max

[native path]

How many generations do you guys think we're away from the macbook air getting 120hz?

I've been more tempted than ever to get into macs especially with the deals they're at, the new $1099 512G version might do it for me. Really really want to wait another year for 120hz though

[empty quartz]

A few

[empty quartz]

Honestly, 120hz isnt really important on the airs

[native path]

Darn

[empty quartz]

Probably a bad take tbh

@native path what would be the main use of the device?

[hardy horizon]

"But with the brand new M5 Pro and M5 Max that Apple literally just announced today, they fundamentally changed the architecture. They created a completely new three-tier CPU system, and they removed the standard Efficiency cores from the high-end chips entirely."

[native path]

It's really not but it's more of a good to have, everything I use is running at 120hz or has the "ProMotion" display in it, it wouldn't feel as nice going to a 60hz display on the mac

[hardy horizon]

So my plan with Just activating low power mode and having it limit to 15 watts whenever I don't need it to do anything intensive may not work anymore ..

[empty quartz]

Id say wait for m6 pro’s

[hardy horizon]

Efficiency Cores (The Battery Sippers)
These are the tiny background-task cores designed purely to save battery.
The Catch: They are completely gone from the M5 Pro and M5 Max. You will now only find Efficiency cores in the base-model M5 chips (like the MacBook Air).

[hardy horizon]

It won't, the air is all about "24 hr battery life"

[native path]

Mainly to learn MacOS a portable machine to access my homelab from wherever i'm at

[hallow jasper]

One of those cases where AI might be somewhat useful.

What you have:

Die size: 545 mm²
Process node: 12nm
TDP: 215W

What you'd still need:
Fan/Airflow data

Fan speed (RPM) or, ideally, the volumetric airflow rate (CFM or m³/hr) the cooler moves
This is the single most impactful missing variable — exhaust temp is essentially a function of power dissipated divided by mass flow rate of air

[empty quartz]

Apple raised the price of the airs

By $100 cad

[native path]

Was thinking that as well

[hardy horizon]

More SSD on all base models

So 512 instead of 256

[empty quartz]

Yeah

The pro 14 used to cost 2099 cad

[hardy horizon]

So technically as Tim Cook made it clear that they would be cutting profits heavily in order to gain market share during this hardware price crisis You actually are saving $100!

[empty quartz]

True

[hardy horizon]

Every config is CHEAPER than before

[native path]

Well the M5 might do it for me

[empty quartz]

Id say wait for the a18 pro/a19 pro macbook

[hardy horizon]

Hell One of the biggest issues they finally fixed! Previously you had to get a mini or studio to get the M4 Pro with 64 GB Ram...

If you want it on a MacBook you were forced into the big Max chip. Now you can get it on the pro and save over $2,000 versus previous year!

[native path]

Nah i'm good on those

[hardy horizon]

Soo yeah. Apple did exactly what they said they were going to do They came out absolutely swinging!

They are now the value leader in the entire personal computing market nobody else even comes close

[empty quartz]

Do you know how insane the ppw on the a18pro/a19pro is?

[hardy horizon]

And that new a19 MacBook Air so that way they can stop building M1 air for schools. If they really do launch it at $499
unfortunately Intel'a panther lake is going to be a complete sales flop.

Now there's a rumor they're going to be limited to 8 gig I hope that they don't make that mistake I hope they give 16 gig.. I know Apple is paying 250% more per memory module.. but yeah

[native path]

Haven't really looked into the Neos but, honestly i'm not that interested even if it has good value

[empty quartz]

Even though i already have an overkill laptop, im still gonna buy that a18 pro macbook

[hardy horizon]

Again I'm not actually rooting for Apple to succeed I think they've become very very complacent... Although you do appreciate the prices haven't really gone up I don't really like that they also haven't plummeted..

However I have never ever ever once said hey you know it would make best for consumers to have a less competition in the market...

[native path]

Lol yeah i'm gonna be moving away from my G14

[topaz shale]

i wonder if the a18 will be any good

[native path]

I'm sure it will be

[topaz shale]

idk why im expecting my M1 to be better (its still quite good)

[hardy horizon]

All of our mobile devices from our cell phones to our tablets and stuff have way more horsepower than they actually need... Now are you going to be running local LLMS on it no.. But like remember $500 device so you're talking about actually completing with Chromebooks because there's no such thing as a current hardware generation Chromebook that's cheaper than that.

And remember you are still getting Mac OS You're not getting a browser based OS.

[native path]

Is it confirmed $500?

[topaz shale]

no i dont believe so

i think ive heard 599 but nothing from apple yet

[hardy horizon]

It's will be under current air sales price,

[topaz shale]

which is retailing for like 799

[hardy horizon]

It won't be somebody did the comparison where the m1 technically will be better in certain things but in the real world the a19 Pro will actually do better especially performance for what

[native path]

I was assuming it's gonna be about the 700-800 range

[hardy horizon]

$650 sales prices

Rn they're a bit spicy but that has more to do with what else are you going to buy instead when you can't afford a Windows machine... I'm more looking at like what they were around Black Friday and stuff like that

[native path]

These new M5 airs have wifi 7 right?

[hardy horizon]

Because like why would you only pay $100 less for something that's right above an m1 in performance when you could just spend that extra $100 and get m3 performance which is double...

[hardy horizon]

Maybe.. I think air might I know on Pro M5 does not It has 6e but M5 Pro and Max have seven

[native path]

Welcome to the apple ladder

[hardy horizon]

No not worth it for Apple at that point. Because even though the device won't be machined aluminum and some other things like that and have cheaper production it still doesn't make sense to make an entire production line and go through the r&D If you're not going to sell the units in meaningful numbers and the only way you're going to do that is if it's cheap enough to make sense and since they knew before going to this progress that they weren't going to be raising the prices of the air... It's got to be at least $200 under air pricing and I think it's going to be more like 350...

[native path]

It's probably go on sale to $500

[hardy horizon]

Apple was extremely clear that they are using the current DRAM shortages and their lucrative contracts to monopolize it to gain substantial market share in exchange for profit cut.

[hardy horizon]

$499 has a really nice ring because they're targeting customers that are comparing it to Chromebooks

I was really hoping that they would get playful with it and do like 5c where you have a high quality product that just is made from inexpensive plastic but fun colors.

But Apple doesn't like colors anymore 😩😭

[gray sierra]

kordell bro if you didnt have mac what laptop would you be getting

[hardy horizon]

I mean they've widely reported that that motherboard that's inside of the iPhone Pro the DRAM on it is costing them 250% more than it did at launch. And it sounds like that's very similar motherboard to what will be going into this new cheaper MacBook

I really hope that they consider a small size so like a 12 because I think the current Air 13 is a little bit too big

[hardy horizon]

1mmt I have my if this damn thing doesn't work out I'm returning it and buying this instead.. saved

[gray sierra]

1mmt??

[native path]

Yeah it has wifi 7 it's a wrap for me i'm getting it

[hardy horizon]

One moment

[hardy horizon]

Okay so I really really liked my Lenovo I just couldn't stand the lack of reliability... And that their next day repair premium that they charge you is only if they bother to get parts and they made me wait 4 months for them to find some used parts to throw into my rig and then they had it for 6 months out of the first 13 months and refuse to extend the warranty the amount of time that I was without the product... Yeah

Soo if the Mac doesn't work out ... I'm just going to say screw it I need to go sort of back to basics with it ...

[clear canyon]

bro just buy a laptop

[hardy horizon]

It will suck though going up to what's probably going to be 9 lb with the charger

[clear canyon]

its not that deep

[hardy horizon]

I did 😩

[clear canyon]

then why are you writing wall of texts here

[hardy horizon]

But yeah I considered them before but I had to take him off my list because I could not stand how bad the screen was It was just unacceptable.. now that they have mini LED 🤷

Will it be perfectly optimized no... But I'm ordering it with the water cooler so I'll have the raw performance to where I don't care I don't need the quality of life features Just give me the horsepower.

[native path]

Your laptop will be water cooled?

[hardy horizon]

No I am undecided if I would go X3D or if I would go for Intel and get the 128GB because x3D is limited to 96 GB

[hardy horizon]

That one has the water cooler that sits on the desk

[native path]

Ahh icic

[hardy horizon]

I did see that I can technically buy some of the final stock of the second gen of my 9i from Lenovo but it has an 18-in screen and the screen quality is worse than my 16 was

[hardy horizon]

Typically this brand would be known as XMG

I would prefer a higher resolution like the 3.2 k at 16 that I'm used to.. but 🤷. I'm sure this one will last longer than my Lenovo did which was 18 months before I had to sell it at a $4,000 loss 😩

[wispy thunder]

if they don't like colours they wouldn't get rid of the black iPhone pro lul

[hardy horizon]

No no COLORS!

[wispy thunder]

Also I think A18 is rather interesting depending on how Apple will tune it

it has built in RT, for one.

It matches the M3 in single core

[wispy thunder]

actually even better than the M3 in single core

[hardy horizon]

Yep, And honestly single core maybe dual core performance if you want to get spicy is all that matters in this class of device.. I mean my buddy has a freaking Chromebook and I was trying to use it the other day and I was like what the hell is even this did you get this for free or something??

And it was one of the better ones cuz it was the Samsung one 🤮

[wispy thunder]

yeahhh

[wispy thunder]

just last gen

[hardy horizon]

And that's the thing is I never thought we would see true market disruption by Apple..

We've seen innovations that have redefined segments but like even the iPod it was revolutionary but it didn't really create a bunch of competition in the market It just created a space underneath it for things priced below it like the zune

[wispy thunder]

and it's far more vibrant irl

[hardy horizon]

Other than 5c which was their first attempt at a cheap iPhone I don't know of another Apple product that really put the heat to the industry

Maybe AirPods but then also like that was a thing that people don't really enjoy

Tell Gen z is back to wired headphones they're like I'm not paying $250 to $400 for some earbuds that I'm going to lose

[hardy horizon]

No I want BOLD colors, those five C's in person were jaw droppers

Remember that's also because we're assuming that this cheap one will be made out of plastic and I think that that's completely expected I wouldn't even knock them for that as long as it's durable plastic not some cheap junk

[wispy thunder]

That's true actually, the last times it really happened I'd say was the Apple Lisa with GUI, then iPhone 6 with the reversible connector

[wispy thunder]

also the comment about wired headphones - they HAVE become far more popular... with high end sets at 300USD too lmao

20 bucks gets you something decent, 100-200 is a midrange sweetspot, 300-1k for high end

[hardy horizon]

Which.... ridiculously.. is like the going rate of a set of halfway decent wireless earbuds

[wispy thunder]

but that's the thing

you don't get features like ANC and Transparency in wired buds

you just get sound quality that's unmatched by tws

[plush wren]

purple on the iphone 14 pro max was the best color imo

[hardy horizon]

I would argue you don't need them.

[wispy thunder]

Eh

I'd say it's a really nice to have

iems can't isolate out bass the way anc can

which makes planes, busses, etc. far quieter

[native path]

I'd argue it's worth the money if you're regularly on public transport, ANC has made my trips far more enjoyable

[wispy thunder]

^^

But then ANC on budget buds have gotten really good

I use Galaxy Buds FE, it was half the price of my iems and sound decent, but the ANC makes me use them a ton

[native path]

Apple's got me by the balls I haven't tried other ANC in ears

[fringe prairie]

the new macbook "neo" should also be colorful

[native path]

I own a set of XM4s for planes and whenever I feel like using headphones but 90% of the time im on my airpod pro 2s

[hardy horizon]

What you mean they are way quieter than they used to be everybody just stares at the phone the whole time

[fringe prairie]

i dont want to hear the engine noise of an a321 neo while im listening to music

[wispy thunder]

You live in an area where the rails are silent and your busses are electric? and float?

[native path]

Traffic doesn't go quiet because of phones

I can't tell you how many times my XM4s and airpods pros have helped me on flights

[hardy horizon]

Sometimes I forget this is global people. Here public transport's not useful It just isn't.

The few places that they are, you're being charged a premiums living those areas to where it makes more sense to just own a car instead and not live there cuz it's cheaper.

[native path]

Well technically I could count how many flights i've been on but you get my point

[wispy thunder]

I use public transport whenever it's faster than driving, which when going straight through the city, the train having priority actually halves the time

[hardy horizon]

Is that the small premium one or the one with the iPhone Pro chip for cheap?

[native path]

I live in Singapore where buying a car is at an extremely unreasonable cost and most people are on public transport, I take the train and bus daily

[wispy thunder]

but the bus to get to the train uses an 8.9L Cummins ISL, hardly a silent engine

[fringe prairie]

iphone pro chip

[plush wren]

motorcycles?

[hardy horizon]

Oh ... None of my wired earbuds dont do that but I buy the ones with the silicone tips or foam tips that seal to your ear

[native path]

Not my typa thing

[plush wren]

damn

[wispy thunder]

brother I've probably spent more on tips than you have on earbuds lmao

[native path]

😭

Cordell's got money idk if that's true

[wispy thunder]

nothing quite beats ANC for isolating out low frequency noise, tho many of my iems isolate out more high-pitched sounds.

[plush wren]

u have been talking about laptops here for like 2 months i swear 😭

[topaz shale]

cordell is a coked up CEO of a tech start up or something the way he be buying tech

[hardy horizon]

But I also have a policy that I won't fly unless absolutely have to because the airlines are just respectful to their paying customers and treat you like dog shit then unfortunately I've always had some kind of ridiculous issue either with TSA and ICE taking over the airport for an hour and a half for no reason as far as I could tell... Or a plane is delayed then flies at top speed to meet the connecting flight but then they gave away the gate so then I'm sitting there in an airport trying to reschedule flight for a number of days later and then I go ahead can I get compensation and they go here's an email and then they never respond to the email...

[wispy thunder]

Imagine being american

must suck

[fringe prairie]

ive never had an issue with flying

or with TSA

[native path]

I go on a 19 hour flight twice a year, sometimes 4. No ANC would make me miserable

[wispy thunder]

^^

[fringe prairie]

or with any airline company, both american and international

[hardy horizon]

It's never faster here. I used to commute across the Metro and it comes out to an average of 18mph ... When you drive your average miles per hour during that same traffic period is over 35mph ...

[native path]

I've never had issues with TSA either

[wispy thunder]

I actually enjoy TSA somehow

oftentimes the agents are just people who need a laugh

[native path]

Sure there are some airlines better than others. I've flown ANA, Delta, Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Korean Air. Haven't had any problems

[hardy horizon]

Ahh yes, That makes sense in somewhere like that or if you said like New York City and you lived only in New York City. But here it's just to spread out and Amtrak even though they're technically have priority on the line it's whoever has the longest train it it's never Amtrak so like all of the options are really crap if I'm honest You just drive where you need to go or you get on a plane and pray that it goes well...

[wispy thunder]

so you drop a stupid joke say have a good day and everyone behind u in line gets a better experience

[wispy thunder]

Airline policy is quite interesting since it seems almost none of it is standardized

[hardy horizon]

Yes I think it's going to put the industry on notice I really do think that Apple has such an upper hand that I would consider not releasing my panther lake based laptops if I was a Lenovo or Dell or an HP..

[native path]

I've really only taken the NYC and DC metro. Been on the Amtrak a couple times, again ANC is life saver

[wispy thunder]

For example: Westjet tends to do harder landings to save wear on tires at the cost of some passenger comfort, whereas China Airlines always butters their landings to the point you can't tell when you actually hit the pavement

[hardy horizon]

Death machines here. You're basically invisible

[plush wren]

in singapore?

[fringe prairie]

ptl is going to crush the a18 pro. this is aimed at people buying like the omnibook 5 or ideapad 3/5

not the xps or yoga

[wispy thunder]

PTL is also gonna be expensive

[fringe prairie]

starting at $1300 for some models

[wispy thunder]

Lunar Lake was already stupid expensive to the point where the only reason you would buy is for the efficiency

[hardy horizon]

Ahh, yeah I don't really listen to earbuds that much I do have a pair of Galaxy Pro 3's.. too bad one of the microphones is dead and they don't make any silicone replacement tips for them They expect you to buy literally the entire set of earbuds again which is absolutely ridiculous

[fringe prairie]

mba actually seems solid now that the base storage is 512gb

cant wait for some crazy costco discount

[wispy thunder]

you can get replacement tips from 3rd party, or even more boutique tips like Azla TWS

[native path]

Nah you'll be alright on a bike in Singapore, I just rather not drive one

[hardy horizon]

I really don't.. what it is is I've been trying to like deal with technology that I have so I don't spend as much as I used to and smaller transactions and it's just getting to the point where I can't put off purchasing some of this stuff anymore.

Like that damn ass that was supposed to be a 2018 project... But now that I'm sorry to actually lose data like I need to just make it happen.

[wispy thunder]

My fav eartips thus far has been Azla Crystal 2, Spinfit Omni, and Final type E

[tidal geyser]

i just got mine for 800$

[hardy horizon]

The laptop is just more of I don't have that kind of time to just sit around and wait on things like that because my time is in very high demand so unfortunately it's one of those situations where although I'm not directly making money from it it enables me to have a better work-life balance because the workload doesn't change just the amount of time I have to take to get it done does..

[tidal geyser]

258v in a DAM fine laptop too

[wispy thunder]

you just got yours right before they're outdated

lul

[tidal geyser]

panther lake is not cheap

[fringe prairie]

you could get them for $799 months ago

[wispy thunder]

that's what I said

[fringe prairie]

well before ptl was announced

[tidal geyser]

not around my parts

[fringe prairie]

dell 14 plus was commonly going for $799. ys7i was $899

[native path]

I've really been looking into getting a macbook nowadays, i've been using my zephyrus G14 for the past 2 years and it's a pain in the ass to use. Don't know if I got a crap copy but it's just been having issues every single week starting with a crap fan then some boot problem. MacBook Airs on black friday discounts look incredible

[sage echo]

hi yall

[wispy thunder]

I've been using my Zephyrus G16 for 3 years now

got a battery replacement and 2 keyboard replacements

Kinda really done with it

[tidal geyser]

cheapest its been is 2k around my parts for the dell

[fringe prairie]

i did a battery replacement on my zephyrus g15 recently. repasted with tr heilos almost a year ago

[wispy thunder]

I want a Macbook for the fun of it

[hardy horizon]

No when micro center did their grand opening in Phoenix which I think was November is when I bought the HP with lunar lake was just simply wasn't enough power for me unfortunately.. And then I bought the MacBook M4 Pro but because I didn't know my workload at the time I was kind of buying it off of recommendations and I wasn't able to ever sample it against any of my workloads.

And at the time I still had my Lenovo was just in the shop which is why I had to buy one when they told me it could be six or seven months before I get my unit back..

What I never really planned on was getting my unit back and then finding out parts are completely suspended on production and non-existent so if it breaks again I can't do anything about it...

So now we're basically looking for a single asset solution I think it does make sense to buy a Mac studio for the house and then a MacBook Air from the go... But I'm never home enough to where I think I could justify that and but since my ISP is terrible at the house with inconsistent speeds I don't think like remoting into its really going to be viable

[native path]

I sent it in to replace my crap GPU fan and they replaced my CPU fan... And once it came back it was out of the warranty period.

[fringe prairie]

ill probably get a macbook next not gonna lie

[wispy thunder]

First thing I always do nowadays is remove whatever paste or liquid metal the laptop uses and repaste with PTM which never needs repaste

[tidal geyser]

1.5k for the lenovo

[sage echo]

i dont hate macboocks but they are too restrictive for me i'd say

[native path]

The MBA M5 with wifi7 and 512gigs of storage is a steal to be honst

[plush wren]

ye the macbook is what i remember last

[tidal geyser]

life time lowest btw

[native path]

What does it restrict you from doing

[fringe prairie]

yeah my temps are a lot better now and i dont have to worry about any LM shenanigans

[sage echo]

compatibility, customisation

[plush wren]

prob just the os for compatibility

[native path]

Compatibility?

[sage echo]

but i dont hate it its still a very well respectable OS

[fringe prairie]

compatibility from what

[native path]

Eh I guess so

[fringe prairie]

games, most autodesk software, and solidworks is honestly all i can think of

[sage echo]

i use niche tools from like the 2000s

[fringe prairie]

ah

[wispy thunder]

wait since when could white names talk?

[tidal geyser]

random school software

[fringe prairie]

most of mine worked fine

only issue was siemens and solidworks

i remoted into a desktop whenever i needed to use siemens

[tidal geyser]

someone in my class has a mac and cant do that much some days

has to use some 10 year old 8th gen hp laptop

[latent gull]

tax software is a weird one ive run into before

[humble scroll]

Is 8gb enough ram for davinci resolve? 1080p60, 15min ish timelines, lower effect, apple silicon

[fringe prairie]

i would aim for 16gb

in general 8gb soldered is poo

[sage echo]

but i prefer Windows (ik bloated asf) but im just used to it, if someone uses macos for their whole life, they would prefer macos

[hardy horizon]

No just TIRED. I'm so annoyed with companies not being held accountable by any of our laws and basically just releasing the consumer there's no reason why a $5,500 machine should go COMPLETELY out of support 18 months after production...

[humble scroll]

I just got a really good offer on an m2 air 8gb under 500 so I’m tempted

[plush wren]

Bros gonna start the linux debate now

[native path]

^^^^

[sage echo]

oh god no

[tidal geyser]

price?

[humble scroll]

485

[plush wren]

barely under 500 brochacho

[sage echo]

currency?

[humble scroll]

USD

[fringe prairie]

honestly during the brief period where i used a macbook air i didnt mind macos sequoia at all

[native path]

I woulda just said 500

[fringe prairie]

tahoe was an issue for me

[tidal geyser]

500$ for 8GB of ram

[humble scroll]

fair after taxes pretty much will be 500

[tidal geyser]

i have seen laptops with 64GB go for less

even recently ish too

[humble scroll]

Windows laptops with ddr3 sure

[hexed tapir]

There is a reason apple raised the minimum amount of ram to 16

[sage echo]

i used a macbook air a few times for a few projects, its alright and it worked, i just like the fact that multiple brands can use windows but macos is only for apple (which is completly fair)

[hexed tapir]

8gb is web browsing levels of ram

[tidal geyser]

i just got a 32GB laptop for a reason

[hardy horizon]

Okay so I guess I'll tell the story
It wasn't actually an issue with TSA in and of themselves. I arrived at the proper time for the airport ICE was sitting there with a bunch of detainees (?). there is 20 lanes for this TSA, there's about eight lane with pol working, It wasn't busy. I was the behind the next person in line and then the ICE agent walked up to TSA and made them close ALL of the lanes and then proceeded to take each individual through once at a time...

My gate for my flight was directly behind TSA, I got to watch my plane arrive watch, everybody board, i get the call about "hey are you coming" and watch it depart because it took over 45 minutes for them to process six people because they insisted on having all 18 TSA members that were on the clock standing next to the metal detectors....

[hardy horizon]

And then most of my flights involve a layover at SeaTac which I absolutely despise so I tried to avoid the layover times and try to keep them down to 45 minutes to an hour..

But then they'll be a delay for takeoff or arrival and then they'll give my gate away so then I get to sit on the tarmac in a hot ass plane for 40 minutes watch my connecting flight arrive board and then to part because they gave away our gate....

[fringe prairie]

nah

[hardy horizon]

Arizona

[fringe prairie]

seatac so you fly delta

or alaskan

im in the dc area and never have i had issues with american or united nor with TSA. this is at DCA too so security is tight af

[hardy horizon]

The issue is... We are in an affordability crisis in the strongest consumer market of the world which is the United States. The top 10% are doing over 40% of the overall spending in the entire economy.

So somebody has to buy a computer they're going to look for something that's going to last long time and is affordable and when you say hey you get 7 years of updates in the Mac will work completely as it does today in 7 years they're going to gravitate naturally towards that.

Also the problem with panther lake is embedded memory... Which means it is directly impacted by the availability of NAND..

[fringe prairie]

and i flew like a month ago

[hardy horizon]

WAYY over the target MBa and new cheap MacBook market.

[tidal geyser]

why

are

we

typing

like

this

[hardy horizon]

Not really 16 GB 258v with OLED display and 3TB 4 ports was $600 ...

[fringe prairie]

yes but $1300 for 32gb ram and 1tb storage

[tidal geyser]

on what

the msi way too hot laptop?

[fringe prairie]

that or $1559 for swift 16

[tidal geyser]

the swift looks decent that i do need to say

[fringe prairie]

if i wanted to spec a macbook air 13 with 32/1tb it would be $1699

1899 for 15"

the pricing already sucks for ram/ssd upgrades from apple and its only going to get worse once their current deals expire

[hardy horizon]

Yep, That also means they in theory solved the issue if you got a MacBook with only a single nan chip and then you were limited to like 2.5 GB/s. Sounds like 14GB/s is the new (1TB+?) expectation.

Which if Apple SSDs had more durability that is when I could actually have a conversation of maybe you don't need to upgrade the RAM? But like I think m5 face just got much better because you actually have efficiency cores and we'll see how these M5 pros do with the elimination of efficiency cores. ....

[hardy horizon]

I know just $$. I paid $40 for some memory foam ones and I hate them I'm much prefer the stock Samsung ones.

[tidal geyser]

is the swift being sold for that price RN?

around my parts we only got the dual screen PTL and its 3k

[hardy horizon]

No it wasn't, single core sure but the problem is is so much as multicore that having half the performance is a problem... A 500 center bench score is a synthetic benchmark sure but the way that that shows up is ridiculous

like I don't know six to eight hours waiting for windows to update.....

[fringe prairie]

i dont even see it on their site. no clue how josh got that price ngl

[tidal geyser]

wat

[fringe prairie]

realistically though if i were to get a mac again it would be a refurbed pro

[hardy horizon]

Yep! Why even though I really like their products on a lot of them hit every single target I'm looking for I won't buy another Asus. I'm really on the edge about buying another Lenovo with how disgustingly they treated me

[tidal geyser]

are you high kool?

[hardy horizon]

Ehh, If you know terminal there's so much you could do

[sage echo]

fair

[fringe prairie]

6-8 hours to update windows sounds like a network issue ngl

[hardy horizon]

Yeah this was a concern. But since now they're cheaper than Windows laptops of the same performance level I mean as long as the performance you get through parallels makes sense for you $50 a year is nothing Just pay it and have all the benefits of a Mac and that insanely low price.

[tidal geyser]

took me like 15m but more due to windows update just taking its time

[fringe prairie]

ive had w11 on slower laptops and it never took 6-8 hours to update kek

[tidal geyser]

while i was installing some games

multi core is still close to a 12700h

[fringe prairie]

the laptop mentioned

[hardy horizon]

It's for apple intelligence. That's why they originally did it

[tidal geyser]

the thing i love the most is not having to listen to the stupid fans

[hardy horizon]

Yeah United was the worst experience that I ever had when they said oh yeah we'll compensate you send the email and I sent them 12 emails and didn't get a single response and when you call the line they say nope you have to send an email but then they refuse to respond to the emails they'll be over $900 for their own policy...

[hardy horizon]

It's So it's readable so it doesn't look like a massive blob of text.

[tidal geyser]

is he replying to every message sent in the past hour

[fringe prairie]

yes

[hardy horizon]

I presume you're referring to me

[tidal geyser]

the spacing makes my brain hurt

[hardy horizon]

32GB of from is $300 on its own, I doubt panther lake we'll be able to hold that price.

[fringe prairie]

anyways i ordered a $1 apple watch band

[hardy horizon]

Why are u doing an air with upgrades? Just go MBP. It's a WAYYYY better value

[tidal geyser]

i ordered a 100w usb-c adapter on ali so i can sell my old 12700h acer laptop i got for 15$

[hardy horizon]

It's VERY competitive with market right now.

And Tim Cook said, not until next year will they raise their prices they're focusing on capitalizing on market share. Right now it's cheaper to get a 64 gig of RAM upgrade from Apple than it is to try to buy one as sticks ....

[fringe prairie]

$2100 for m5 with 32gb son
m5 pro only does 24/48gb for some stupid reason. you need to get the m5 max to get 36gb

[hardy horizon]

That was the Lunar Lake issue.

[tidal geyser]

no?

i know considering im using one right now

[hardy horizon]

No I had 2 258V's One with a shitty drive one with a good drive and then I put my 990 Pro in one to make sure it wasn't just a drive issue.

[tidal geyser]

how long ago

[hardy horizon]

Nope CPU was at 100%

[tidal geyser]

2hrs it was more than fine

[fringe prairie]

you just have bad luck im ngl

[tidal geyser]

maybe he got a laptop where they forgot to take off the protective plastic on the VRMs or something

well 2

[hardy horizon]

Yes, bug windows updates make it crawl because it doesn't have enough throughput.

[tidal geyser]

well that bug is long gone now

[hardy horizon]

And how much is x9 with 32GB?

[hardy horizon]

November

[fringe prairie]

dunno most prices arent out

x7 and x9 are the same thing anyways, no clue whyd you spend extra on the x9

$1599 for the swift sonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[tidal geyser]

skill issue, i dono mine is fine

[tidal geyser]

tbh i would not really call something a certain price until its out

like the 5090 is meant to be a 2000$ card and even sold for that at one point but well yeeeaa

[hardy horizon]

That's good, I really like the unit but it was like hey I just don't have the performance here. It just absolutely fell apart with anything multithreaded. And of course you know it's Intel not Apple silicone so you have really bad single core. It was literally UNUSABLE. If it was trying to do a Windows update in the background like you couldn't even browse the web.

[tidal geyser]

i was just downloading a windows update, downloading a game and webrowsing at the same time

i could feel it heating up but the cpu was not maxing out

[hardy horizon]

You need x9 to match M5 is what I saw. But ya you could go x7 for a bit less performance.

[native path]

+1

[hallow jasper]

This is all wild to watch.

[native path]

I've had these problems on most windows laptops I get i'm just gonna swap over to apple and see how life is on the other side

[native path]

what

[left trellis]

SIMMMM

[tidal geyser]

yes

[left trellis]

IVE BEEN WAITING

https://www.ebay.com/itm/206106383741?

THOUGHTS ON THE GAMBLE

[tidal geyser]

yolo

[wispy thunder]

IDK about the mount but I really like the elastic fabric that the AliExpress straps use

[tidal geyser]

WTF 62, GOD NO

[left trellis]

so I go for it....

[left trellis]

he sent an offer of $50 so about 64 post ship and tax

[left trellis]

HUH 😭

[hardy horizon]

Does it get hot?

[tidal geyser]

i would not use more than 20$ on socket repairs

[hexed tapir]

https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/p/macbook-pro-2020-13-inch-m1-8-core-and-8-core-gpu-16gb-ram-ssd-512gb/e63fbcce-86af-47d9-b079-80fb1661e4b2 I would personally slightly downgrade the CPU for more ram or spend about $100 extra for a m2 16gb model

[tidal geyser]

nope the acer is actually pretty decent

[wispy thunder]

16gb on windows is stupid nowadays, 32 is the new 16.

[tidal geyser]

taptic trackpad can even be used as a drawing tablet

[left trellis]

all of the nicer lga1700 ddr4 are so expensive tho 😭

[wispy thunder]

What's the point of getting a super nice laptop that freezes every time it has to access swap

[fringe prairie]

the x9 just clocks higher than the x7. otherwise its the same 4/8/4 + b390 as the x7

[tidal geyser]

yea

[hardy horizon]

Can you actually buy it for $2k tho? Or is that the MSRP in the same way that the 5090 MSRP is like $2500 but they're currently changing hands for $5,000

[tidal geyser]

seen with a lot of laptops the X7 only getting 8533 vs X9 getting 9600

[fringe prairie]

$100 extra for 14" m1 pro imo
https://www.ebay.com/itm/296226656308

[hardy horizon]

Because of how the memory pricing is normally it makes sense to go from an air with upgrades just straight to a base Pro. Because you're getting $600 screen with that upgrade too.

[hexed tapir]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8jv6h/asus-b760m-ayw-wifi-d4-ii-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-ayw-wifi-d4-ii $99 expensive?

[hardy horizon]

Agreed, but at least of the time it didn't make sense because the amount of money you were paying was like seven or $800 to go from 16 to 32..

We're rapidly approaching to where that price is "reasonable" 😭

[left trellis]

2 nvme slots 💔

[left trellis]

So what should I do 😭

[tidal geyser]

invest the money

[wispy thunder]

Yeah that's why I said lunar lake is expensive.

[flat cliff]

When something says PETG high temp how higher is the glass transition temp?

[hardy horizon]

U mean the new M5's? They don't actually do that, they just slow down.

[grizzled frost]

who is using 3 or more nvme drives

[hardy horizon]

Yes

[wispy thunder]

No, 16gb lunar lake

[native path]

What if I wanted more memory it's $400 more from the speced air

[grizzled frost]

depends on the exact product, you’d have to check for that specific item

[wispy thunder]

Or any high end Windows laptop with 16gb ram

[left trellis]

me

[grizzled frost]

there’s more than one formulation of “petg high temp”

[gaunt spade]

😊

[left trellis]

its a budget build fr 💔

[hexed tapir]

Now it's 6 total for $25 extra

[flat cliff]

But like on average?

[gaunt spade]

i asked when will the seller ship the laptop

[hardy horizon]

Yeah they were charging an exorbitant amount for the upgrades because they felt like they were in a position of power.
With panther lake they're not going to have a choice They have to charge an exorbitant amount because it costs them an exorbitant amount.

[bright anvil]

Best college laptop under 1.5k

[flat cliff]

Like can I consider it over ABS?

[hexed tapir]

MacBook

[grizzled frost]

a generalization like that is at best unhelpful, at worst actively misinformation

Look up the specs for the specific filament you’re looking at buying

[tidal geyser]

good luck

[left trellis]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[bright anvil]

I know but I was hoping that wasn't the case

[native path]

It really just makes the most sense

[bright anvil]

Thanks i was thinking of going framework

[wispy thunder]

Framework is MacBook pricing without MacBook power

[bright anvil]

Yea I know 😭

[tranquil wharf]

doesn't that require x4x4x4x4 bifurcation mode support 🤔 would need to check if mobo supports it

[tidal geyser]

make a post in https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1106613567966429224 and actually say what you need it for fully like software and such

[hardy horizon]

Ahh ya IDK, makes more sense to buy Mac once you say Lunar Lake costs $1,400 for 32 GB one.

[wispy thunder]

What are you going into?

[hardy horizon]

So what are you saying? I guess more directly like what would you be comparing?

[flat cliff]

So its not as easy as saying usually PLA or usually PETG melt at x temp it varies more then that?

[bright anvil]

Yep but it is not apple apple is an amazing product but I dont want one

[tidal geyser]

this place is hell

[unique aspen]

yall help im legit gonna freak out

[bright anvil]

Buisness administration and infromation systems

[tidal geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1027757333117415424

[hexed tapir]

If you want performance and all day battery life it's one of the only options

[bright anvil]

Just update your graphic driver

[bright anvil]

Yea 😭

[unique aspen]

its on latest i think, it got installed when i got windows from usb

[grizzled frost]

“PETG high temp” isn’t pure petg, so it’s hard to say

[native path]

A $1699 MBA with 1TB storage and 32G of memory, compared to a $2099 MBP with 1TB storage and 32G of memory. How is $400 more better value?

[tranquil wharf]

more performance?

[bright anvil]

Integrated or gpu? If its a gpu they update like 6x a month

[grizzled frost]

better processor and more cooling

[unique aspen]

intel HD 5500

[tidal geyser]

petg high temp is just petg with less g

[native path]

All day battery and lightweight, pretty much the college dream unless you're in engineering

[hardy horizon]

Hmm try this:
Needs:
Wants:
Nice to have if possible:

If you fill this out maybe we could probably guide you a lot better. because what you're getting now is best overall for most cases, but it may not be best for your use case or what you're looking to do.

[native path]

$400 worth?

[bright anvil]

Idk check intel graphics hub

[native path]

I'm not really informed on the processor gap between the MBP and MBA, in order to get more memory in the air you need to upgrade to their 10 core GPU chip anyway

[bright anvil]

All I need is good multi tasking and good keybord for notes in class i have a pc ill sync it to for any substantial work so I was thinking the fw 13

[wispy thunder]

Then either MacBook or wait for panther lake and see how much those are gonna be

Framework keyboard

[bright anvil]

Ahh is there any good framework laptop keybord?

[hexed tapir]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/g1gs0ll/a/Refurbished-13-inch-MacBook-Air-Apple-M4-chip-with-10‑Core-CPU-and-10‑Core-GPU-Silver 24gb ram 1tb SSD for $1190

[wispy thunder]

Framework 16 is just bad for the price. 13 I'd say is acceptable at best.

Omnibook ultra still has one of my fav keyboards

[bright anvil]

You should see the college discount i get on that lol I can get it for 800 from the college site

[hexed tapir]

No brainer for $800

[bright anvil]

Id not be buying for the price with the fw id buy it for supporting the cause the mac is an amazing option but I dont like how they lock you in

[wispy thunder]

Okay, what 3rd party supports Framework modules?

[hexed tapir]

Don't waste money and get a $800 m4 MacBook

[native path]

Don't think this is true, the 24g memory and 1tb SSD is a refurbished one

[native path]

+1

If you don't need it now, wait for the back to school deal and get free airpods along with it

[hexed tapir]

Spend the saved money on studying snacks for the year

[native path]

But I think prices will rise considering those will be the M5 macbook air by then

[bright anvil]

Yea the college bookstore gives like a 30% discount on all apple products

[wispy thunder]

They always sell a couple gens back - M1 was sold till 2023 I think

[native path]

You get a discount off the refurbished store?

[hardy horizon]

Well if you need a ram upgrade, you need sustained performance.

• a fan so it doesn't down clock
• $600 screen upgrade
• Resale value
• Better Keyboard
• M5 Pro CPU with double the memory bandwith

AND If you could get by with 24GB, you could grab a m5 pro base config with the normal $400 discount from retailers.

[wispy thunder]

Education discount can be more than Refurb

Esp since Refurb is always 1 or 2 generations behind the latest

[native path]

Not the one coopa sent though, M4 24G memory 1TB SSD

[wispy thunder]

To prevent people from buying new, returning then coming back a week later for open box discount

[bright anvil]

Idk refurbished but all I've seen from the store has been new m4 that spec for the 800 for those prices ill double check

[native path]

$1190

When I think about it more that's a genuine steal

[bright anvil]

Yea i only get the student on new stuff

[native path]

It would be $800 for the 16G memory 256GB ssd version

[bright anvil]

Ahh i missed the storage also i dont need any storage on my laptop I have a 4tb pc for stuff

[hexed tapir]

$850 for a m4 air 13" 512gb 16gb refurbished

[native path]

I dunno what presumption you're under that it need sustained performance because you're using more memory. I could be doing multiple tasks at once needing the memory without all of the processor performance

• It's designed to not need to fan, knowing you're buying an AIR you wont be doing tasks that need need it, and it's designed to handle the performance
• Is it an objective $600 screen upgrade?
• A laptop is meant to last, resale value is a point but it shouldn't factor a $400 cost difference when buying your laptop
• Neglibible
• The M5 MBP at $2099 has the standard M5 chip, not M5 Pro

[bright anvil]

If I do go mac my main wory is the linking to my pc for compatability

[native path]

$800 for the standard 256G 16G is a great option then

[native path]

What do you need comptatible between your PC and laptop?

[fringe prairie]

@tidal geyser b370 is crazy good, matches xps 14 b390 in some games
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Honor-MagicBook-Pro-14-2026-Laptop-Review-OLED-all-rounder-impresses-with-Panther-Lake.1238776.0.html

[native path]

Or go refurbished and get double the storage capacity for 50 bucks more, great choice

[hexed tapir]

I would personally go refurbished for $50 more and get 512gb

[native path]

^^ I would too

[bright anvil]

All my files and presets so if I am working on my pc I can transfer to laptop and back and forth so mainly stuff like office 360 and stream deck profiles and functions

[hexed tapir]

Crazy how $50 for 256gb upgrade is a good deal now

[bright anvil]

Ikr

[unique aspen]

i think i found issule

[hexed tapir]

$50 used to get a 1tb nvme

[bright anvil]

Holy.... when did you last update

[unique aspen]

2015

[bright anvil]

Bro

[unique aspen]

i only did the 21h2 update

[native path]

Your office 360 would be fine, no clue about stream deck profiles I don't own one

[hexed tapir]

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/share-mac-files-with-windows-users-mchlp1657/mac never used it I never owned a apple device

[native path]

I thought the main selling point of linux is to use it the way you want to

[bright anvil]

Ok than I think i have to bite the bullet and get an Apple 😭

[native path]

Yeah this would work

[ivory mountain]

Some people are miserable and dont let people enjoy anything

[unique aspen]

edge on linux 💀

[hexed tapir]

Apple has the best price to performance and features now

[bright anvil]

I do wonder how the new android Chromebook will performe i hope they are out before next semester

So I can see the performance

[native path]

Whens your next semester?

[unique aspen]

i love updating

[bright anvil]

Fall 2026

[ivory mountain]

Arch tag yet uses w10

[unique aspen]

wait did it say bios updates ?

[native path]

I'd hold off on the mac till the summer, there's a back to school deal from apple yearly where they give you free airpods when you purchase a macbook with the educational discount

[unique aspen]

it failing to post

[bright anvil]

Got into my dream college

[native path]

No it definitely posted

[unique aspen]

it fails after bsod

[bright anvil]

Oooh I should do that might swap out my bose quietcomfort earbuds 2

[warm anvil]

no never update ur bios its a scam made by the government and lizard people

[hexed tapir]

Unless apple starts charging more because of ram and SSD pricing check in weekly on the site/news for that 😆

[unique aspen]

it posted

no gpu driver tho

[bright anvil]

What about any samsung laptops? I use a fold phone would those be worth it bc of the ecosystem?

[ivory mountain]

Samsung laptops are doodoo ass

[native path]

I don't think they will honestly, the education laptop wouldn't be $800 anymore but you're paying a little more for airpods and for the M5 air

[bright anvil]

@native path ok thanks for the advice I got to get back to my class

[native path]

Pay attention 😭

[bright anvil]

But procrastination is so fun 😂

[hexed tapir]

For $999 Samsung has a 16gb 512g Galaxy Book5 with a lame 2 normal P cores CPU https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241860/intel-core-ultra-7-processor-255u-12m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

[bright anvil]

Yea prob going mac unless framework gets cheaper

[fringe prairie]

you can spoof samsung apps to think youre using a galaxy book so nah

[bright anvil]

K. also hyped for fh6?

[fringe prairie]

yes

[mint umbra]

still having issue with my cylone 2 contoller where xinput wont connect to pc but onlyp like playstation and nitendo mode it works

when on linux

works fine on windows

[hardy horizon]

Thai base config can be had $400 off from retailer

[hardy horizon]

If all you need is a good keyboard, HP or Lenovo depending on preference/price. Consider Lunar Lake at the ~$350-$450 price point.

You could go MBA, but it will cost more, and the keyboard isn't great on any of the macs

[hexed tapir]

We also have rumors that the next gen pros will have TOUCH SCREEN tandem OLED displays

[bright anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

If they do

[hexed tapir]

@hardy horizon wait return your pimped out MacBook and wait for next gen OLED touchscreen

[hardy horizon]

No they aren't great, and snapdragon isnt amazing on compatibility still

[bright anvil]

Yea id go snapdragon but it inst polished enough yet

[hardy horizon]

Finally went out of production in August 2025 iirc. Schools were the biggest buyer.

[mint umbra]

does wallpaper engine not work on linux

[fringe prairie]

no

[native path]

Wtf

I might wait a year and get that

Well actually no I don't think I will, never used touchscreen anyway

[mint umbra]

damn

[hexed tapir]

But tandem olded screens

[native path]

Id be getting the MBA anyway

[gaunt spade]

wallpaper engine is the most useless thing ever

[native path]

That's like saying buying a cosmetic fake plant is useless

[hexed tapir]

What if you can fold it in half and use it like an iPad

[native path]

yeah sure it is but it looks cool

[native path]

Good thing I already have an iPad

[gaunt spade]

you see the plant atleast

you dont go on the desktop to just stare at it

[native path]

Says who

I spend 8 hours a day looking at my wallpaper

[gaunt spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571373155638050839/1421500110696611972/togif.gif

[mint umbra]

as a person who enjoy personalization I like the program alot

[hexed tapir]

I agree on my phone and computer it's just pure black

[native path]

My background is the default Windows 10 bg

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tuff-why-is-he-so-vFEDEcCxckXcSS09PG

[mint umbra]

?

[calm plaza]

The mandela effect isn't real dude, I was at the Computex 2024 keynote. It was awesome

[gaunt spade]

should i buy a 5500x3d

[fringe prairie]

the 5800xt came with an amd branded pa120 what lol

[azure topaz]

lol didn’t know that that’s funny

[native path]

Idk do you want to

[azure topaz]

i assume only if you bought from their site

[calm plaza]

if you can find one for 140 usd or lower and you literally only care about gaming i don't see why not

[fringe prairie]

yeah probably

[azure topaz]

because you probably won’t find one for under 140

[gaunt spade]

150$ new

[azure topaz]

surprising

i’d go ddr5 instead because 6 cores w/no upgrade path blows

[gaunt spade]

ddr5 ram

[azure topaz]

but ram is expensive so do whatever

[calm plaza]

hm, it depends on your priorities i guess. I personally like flexability and cores but i assume 5500x3d has alot of l3 cache. your choice dude

[gaunt spade]

96mb i think

[azure topaz]

6 am4 cores that are at like 4ghz

[hexed tapir]

My new r7 5700x3d was $170 on prime day years back

[azure topaz]

coolin

[gaunt spade]

i can get a r7 7700x for that price

am5 cpus have lowered in price because ram is so expensive

[azure topaz]

170 is a fair price for that lol

that’s not a lowered price that’s just the reasonable price

amd brainwashed you with 300$ 7600x’s

[gaunt spade]

i can get a 7600x for 108$

[hardy horizon]

If its just tasks that don't need cpu performance, apple's swap is fine for that.

• yes, if you are just using a as a Chromebook that is a use case for the AIR.
• YES mini LED 1600 nits is WAYYY more expensive than the 60hz junk screen on AIR. Hell I personally think $600 is low value assessment for one of the best screens in laptops
• but apples resale STRONG, base config pros only loose like $400 per year
• I should m5 pro config above, then take $400 off for retailer discount.

[hardy horizon]

Explain what you mean? You can just upload your files to Google drive or put them on an external.

[calm plaza]

7600x's are not that expensive, amd has however branwashed people to get 5000 series cpus for 300$ and x3d's for 550 minimum

[hardy horizon]

Just use your laptop on a dock? Or you can try onedrive/ Google drive so it syncs.
The most reliable I personally found was keep everything on an external and just plug it into whichever device you're using.

[hardy horizon]

Ahh, didn't know that, can you upgrade to the pro and just pay the difference?

[bright anvil]

I want a laptop that just syncs as an extention to my pc (i use onedrive)

[bright anvil]

Why...?

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/caption-hes-reaching-lY2TAkBV3aspdwbGNX

RAM

[peak swan]

Why not?

[hardy horizon]

M6 WILL have the price hike and cellular, that has been announced.

[bright anvil]

The tissues

[peak swan]

Oh

I had a runny nose

For like 2 days

[bright anvil]

Who needs cell in a laptop???

[grizzled frost]

depends on the person

[peak swan]

Fucking hate carpets

[bright anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-rock-gif-23559354

[peak swan]

Uh apparently thinkpad users
Nah but tbh i get it somewhat

[peak swan]

Bruh, I'm serious

[hardy horizon]

I predict the price hike with be at least $400 on Pro PLUS passing through the DRAM costs to the consumer.

I think we'll get an in-between version without the touch screen (That will be the new MacBook Air) and this new low cost device will be the entry level Mac.

[bright anvil]

I know im just messing with u

[hardy horizon]

I KNOWWW, but we are already near that $5k mark, I prefer not to pay $7k for the same config

[peak swan]

Anyways, i have 2 main phones cuz well one has an awful battery bit i want to try ios as main so yeah

[gaunt spade]

ifone x and s8

[peak swan]

S8 and xs max

[bright anvil]

You need a dbrand skin on those

[peak swan]

Nah

The iphone was cracked when i got it

[bright anvil]

They look so good tho ******* like 3 of them

[hardy horizon]

Is that a thing? Is that one of those Microsoft account things that I don't use because ... Well Microsoft account?

[peak swan]

The S8 was uh well mental issues

[hardy horizon]

"prosumers" insex will bring the MacBook back into the prosumer only world.

[bright anvil]

Yes i can just hop to any windows laptop and have it act like a crapy version of my desktop

[hardy horizon]

Typically the same ones that insist on buying an iPad with cellular

[peak swan]

Anyways, uh cool photography

[bright anvil]

There are people who do that ?!?!

[hardy horizon]

??? Link?

[obtuse yew]

Honestly that seems like an amazing feature if you need to do work while travelling

[hardy horizon]

You would be SHOCKED!

[hardy horizon]

Especially with how carriers incentivize it and charge only $5 to add the device

[bright anvil]

Only devices I use cell are my watch and phone bc when I work i would kill my fold so I use a galaxy watch 7 for any txts

[calm plaza]

nice bank

[peak swan]

If i look at current ram prices, I'm almost a millionaire

[keen folio]

They are seriously shipping MacBooks now without a power supply? Greedy assholes

[hardy horizon]

??

[hardy horizon]

Mine came with PSU

[peak swan]

They deffo got em from recycling centers

[keen folio]

It’s for the new M5 Air

[hardy horizon]

Which is good because apples USB charging breaks 5A spec ...

[peak swan]

Ddr4 and ddr5 holy

[keen folio]

Brand new btw

[bright anvil]

Plus 64gb in the pc rn of ddr5

[hardy horizon]

Oh, that makes sense TBH, before they just included a 30 watt adapter that was basically useless.

[shrewd heron]

What's the situation ram prices rn?

On"

[bright anvil]

It's worth more than the pc when I bought it lol

[calm plaza]

nice, now sell two of those ramsticks to buy one of these

[hardy horizon]

Wait,... $10 -$15 /GB

[peak swan]

Dayumm

[keen folio]

Doesn’t matter. It still should come with a adapter. Considering there are many people just entering the ecosystem. And needing an extra adapter for 50 bucks isn’t really customer friendly.

[bright anvil]

Lol funny thing

Just built it

[keen folio]

Also selling a MacBook without a charging adapter also makes it worth less nowadays.

[calm plaza]

okay now get in it, and turn the water on

[hardy horizon]

$10- $15 /GB. External SSD is $175/TB -$200/TB.

[keen folio]

Nice job

[hardy horizon]

Samsung doesn't care, and they don't include one with their iPhones

[bright anvil]

It is in a customer's house

[bright anvil]

Thanks been doing this since I was 14

[hardy horizon]

What they are actually saying is because you have 24-hour battery life You don't need anything that would charge quickly Just use a normal 5w charger

[keen folio]

Because you can literally use any adapter for a phone. But not for a laptop.

[hardy horizon]

Yes you can, on MacOS

[keen folio]

Funny. My m2 pro doesn’t charge with less than 25 watts.

[hardy horizon]

I regularly charge my MBP with an 20w iPad charger, and have also done 10w charging.

[tranquil wharf]

the whole point of laptops using usb-c for charging is that they don't need a proprietary charger

[hardy horizon]

Maybe an m2 thingm?

[bright anvil]

I use a 65 watt charger for my stuff funny thing tho is my monitor on my pc draws 165😭

[hardy horizon]

Well if in actual spec. My Lenovo won't charge on 5v

[keen folio]

Hmm. Could it be that it depends on the sales region? I’m in Europe. And as you know there are regulations for charging stuff now

[bright anvil]

Yea eu is good for chargers

[tranquil wharf]

well sure, but the point is that if people buy one good charger, they can use it for everything

[hardy horizon]

Yeah so even less other reason to include a charging brick

[hardy horizon]

YEP, That's why one of the options for air was a dual 30 watt charger.

[shrewd heron]

Crazy how in 2005 I paid around 200USD for ocz platinum ram kits which were 1GB each now it's worse.

Its always something with ram I swear

[bright anvil]

It should be an option when buying than make it take off like 10$ for leaving it off

[hardy horizon]

Yep at ddr3 launch 3 2GB sticks were $135.

[tranquil wharf]

I just bought a 100w charger years ago and have used that for literally everything that has usb charging

[hardy horizon]

It is an option that you can add when you order if you want

[tranquil wharf]

technically now 240w is a thing but I haven't had a device that would pull over 100w over usb yet

[bright anvil]

Yea but they should add my default and only exclude when chosen so when they price stuff they have the real price its like tesla and their chargers where its like 32k for the car and oh here buy this for 4k (after install)you need it too

[shrewd heron]

Overpriced but they were considered high end for the time lmao

They were tccd chip variants from samsung

[tranquil wharf]

why is it "real price" when most people already have an usb-c charger and don't need another?

[steel umbra]

it wouldn’t say good but better so… still pretty bad
power strips despite being somewhat “regulated” are shit in here even something like a switch inside the strips are held together by wonky springs (that ofc broke so that’s why i disassebled them) and i will not going to go into details about the horrendous solder job
psus aren’t regulated as well something like evolveo, akasa and eurocase… they’re pretty much rebranded alibaba stuff

[hardy horizon]

No because that does not fit the environmental rhetoric of Apple. Because otherwise when they give these retailers all these base models everything on one of them would have a charger. Which would be wasteful

Hell even JBL $150 Bluetooth speaker doesn't include a charger or a cable anymore

[mint umbra]

got wallpaper engine working for linux via a plugin

[tranquil wharf]

nice

[steel umbra]

the issue with not including chargers ever is that when you need them you will buy them separately creating packaging and shipping environmental damage/issue

[mint umbra]

which is nice

[tranquil wharf]

animated wallpapers look nice but the problem is... I never see my wallpaper because I always have something open

[steel umbra]

the move is to save bucks

not to preserve the nature

[hardy horizon]

Well and just like Tesla you don't need to buy a charger in order to use the Mac.

And you don't have to pay $4,000 you can get the mobile charger and it's completely fine Just plug it into 120 volt. Or just go full supercharging and with NACS being the new charge protocol you can even AC charge.

[bright anvil]

Id have to check the numbers if the majority have one that works than I agree

[steel umbra]

otherwise they would let you select a charger w/wo

[azure topaz]

bro look up the msrp of the 7600x lmao

[gaunt spade]

msrp so ahh

[azure topaz]

300$ msrp

[gaunt spade]

you can get a 7800x3d for less

[bright anvil]

I have used that you really do need the hard wired one

But fair point it is possible

[hardy horizon]

Not really, Just use the superchargers.

[steel umbra]

the best solution would be just let people select if they want a charger or not, not force customers either with chargers or without… i know this is not the best solution as some remote areas will always not have everything in stock but better than nothing

[calm plaza]

msrp doesn't mean anything when the execution price is consistently different, besides there's no point in getting a last gen am5 processor anyways. a 9600x goes for at most the same average price. I see newegg listings for 200

[bright anvil]

Not where I live closest one is 30 min away it's also cheaper at home 7$usd for a full charge

[azure topaz]

bro. my point is that when they drop they’re 300$

stop defending amd’s terrible business practices 😭

it doesn’t matter what generation i picked

[hardy horizon]

Right so you're choosing to pay for the $4,000 because you want the convenience that's kind of the point right. It's not necessary for it to operate there's plenty of public infrastructure available.

And again you could always just pay for the mobile connector for $220 You don't have to pay $4,000.

[azure topaz]

the fact a 3600 is the same msrp as a 7600x or 9600x (newer ones might actually be higher) doesn’t make any sense because they all have the same core count

[hardy horizon]

That's Apple's point why we include a useless piece of junk charger that people are just going to throw away in the trash and cause a bunch of waste? Those that need it can choose to add one to their order or source One on their own

[azure topaz]

faster sure but paying 300$ for a brand new 6 core cpu is not on anyone’s bucket list

[hexed tapir]

i5 12600k was $290 6p 4E

[azure topaz]

if you disagree with the fact that the cpus were in fact 300$ and have 6 cores idk what to tell you because all of that is true

[bright anvil]

Yes i am paying for the convenience. I also get it cheaper from home charging for a charge it is workable without the hard wired just not what I like

[hardy horizon]

Right, And Apple's whole thing is minimizing environmental impact that's why they don't include a charger with the MacBook Air when the vascular people have a charger fully capable of powering the air. Included charger on the bigger notebooks because they're continuous power draw of over 100 watts would eat most chargers in that class

[azure topaz]

i made fun of the 9600x here in the past when it dropped because it was 300$ 😭💀

[calm plaza]

does that change anything, 7600x's averages around 225 usd today. lga 1700 is pretty good price to preformance because of its ddr4 support, 13th and 14th gen intel's launch was also bad because of stability problems but those were since fixed. now 14600kf's are meta for mid-high end builds. your thick aversion to amd as a whole sounds less like reluctance and more like whinning from a userbenchmark's alt account

[azure topaz]

what does this have to do with the price of the cpu when they come out

are you excusing poor pricing entirely

[hexed tapir]

Since the Ryzen 5 SKU is the new Ryzen 3 "since we dont have consumer options" it should be under $120 like the ryzen 3300x ($150 inflation)

[azure topaz]

“uhh uhh it got cheaper so it’s fine now” is that seriously your argument

[flat cliff]

3D printing my own case, rughly how hot on the inside of the random case do you think a 2070 super and 5600x get? In PC hardware places I've been told I might get away with PLA but just use PETG and have good case airflow. But in 3D print servers I've been told at least PETG at a minimum and really to do ABS because for long sessions you'd soak through the PETG.

The case from maker world says PETG should be used though so idk? So can anyone help me out here I'm trying to figure out if this would work or not, least in PETG since I can't print ABS.

https://makerworld.com/models/1740435?appSharePlatform=more

[gaunt spade]

is the 9950x a good cpu

[hardy horizon]

"I don't know I think $5,000 is completely reasonable for a 5090 when the same class of card inflation adjusted should only be $1,000"

[bright anvil]

So they include a charger for the higher draw laptops? If so thats where I have had my misunderstanding and im fine with leaving out on anything under like 40 to 60 watts

[azure topaz]

if you do things that need 16 cores

[hardy horizon]

Type shit

[calm plaza]

thats not how inflation works

[hardy horizon]

Yes, 70,96 or 140 depending on configuration

[hardy horizon]

It does though.

[bright anvil]

Ok that is way better mb

[calm plaza]

if markets are consistently selling 5090's for far below 5000 usd that has nothing to do with inflation

[azure topaz]

i didn’t mention intel at all, although, even at the time of the 7600x being 300$ coops pointed out the 12600k being 290 lol

[bright anvil]

I was thinking they were like here's a 100w laptop figure it out

[azure topaz]

at the same time is the keyword

[hardy horizon]

Same class card .....

[azure topaz]

i’m not factoring in ram or anything

[real wasp]

icl im not getting help from my problem in the ticket

[hardy horizon]

Oh no the point was don't excuse piss poor pricing.

[calm plaza]

what are you even arguing bro, you initally said inflation makes retailers sell higher msrp cards for lower prices

thats not how inflation works

[calm plaza]

maybe price increases from similar tier cards can be attributed to inflation, if thats what your saying i guess that makes sense

[hardy horizon]

Oh no on the pros they included charger.

[bright anvil]

Ok good that makes since still I could always use another cord

[hardy horizon]

Oh no I was just saying don't excuse piss poor pricing on MSRPs from manufacturers. That was all, the 5090 was an example. Technically 3080TI is the better example as there was no MSRP...

[hardy horizon]

Oh yes because air does not have magsafe I guess you would not be getting a charging cord

[bright anvil]

Also people burn through the cords like crazy

[fringe prairie]

the air has magsafe

and includes a 60w adapter with the cord

[tranquil wharf]

I wonder what people do to their cords to break them 🤔

[calm plaza]

I literally don't care abound brands, or how bad a launch is. if an msrp is good then scalpers spike the price then its a product ill avoid, if an msrp is bad and i see a good deal for it, especially if prices are consistently good. depending on my board compatability and other things ill likely buy it. its not deep

[hexed tapir]

Use them as rope

[bright anvil]

To k*ll themselves bc of gpu prices

[fringe prairie]

???

[bright anvil]

I have no idea mine are always fine but everyone is know has the most busted cords ever

[gaunt spade]

ram worse

[hexed tapir]

I got my 9070xt for $610 "$10 above MSRP" it's just a skill issue

[bright anvil]

Nah gpu bc it also has ram

[bright anvil]

Wow killer find

[gaunt spade]

gpu prices are way more stable

[bright anvil]

Ill agree for now

[gaunt spade]

ram prices are 4x

[hexed tapir]

November on amazing saw the writing on the wall and pulled the trigger

[fringe prairie]

9070xt is $699 at mc which is only $100 over msrp. not bad

[gaunt spade]

gpu prices arent even close

[hardy horizon]

I see your point yeah I was just saying like don't let them give you a 10% improvement increase over last gen and then charge you 50% more and then not call them out on their BS... 5070=4090 type shit

[hexed tapir]

But now it's too close in price to imaginary MSRP 5070ti $750

[bright anvil]

I am so glad I got my upgrade before ram crisis bc i got a 7 7800x3d 64gb ddr5 6000 a new motherboard and an aio for like 660$

It was 660 with the cash back I got

[gaunt spade]

i sold 128gb of ddr5 right before ram prices went up

[bright anvil]

Noooooooo

[tranquil wharf]

yikes

[gaunt spade]

🥀

for dirt cheap

[hexed tapir]

Nice

[gaunt spade]

😔

[bright anvil]

This is crazy it went up again 😭 it was 800 last time i checked

[gaunt spade]

someone locally has 64gb listed for 600$

someone was willing to give me 96gb for 400$

new

[hardy horizon]

😭😭 My 32 gig Ram alone was $330 😩

[bright anvil]

Buy it and trade it for a car 😭

[gaunt spade]

no cheap cars here

[bright anvil]

430 now 😭

[hardy horizon]

Not really, except for my super cheap cord that came with something I bought from Walmart brand most of my cords are like 5 years old

[midnight wind]

damn buy it and just use the ram

[bright anvil]

Really? That's intersting I live near a huge city and there are always cars for like 600 to 4000

[midnight wind]

I think here $4000 gets you a beater on its last legs

[gaunt spade]

i dont think someone will swap 96gb of ram for a 4k car

[gaunt spade]

its too much

and i want white with rgb

the ram he was selling was crucial something black with no rgb

[bright anvil]

I fell for the 80$ meta cord for link its amazing it is like 12gbps or smth like that it is a fiber line wrapped in copper for power

[midnight wind]

i would pay extra for that

i hate the rgb

[bright anvil]

My gpu feals inadequate 😭

[midnight wind]

tape on some extra mechanisms

[gaunt spade]

this is what i have for ddr5 rn

[midnight wind]

it's so good

[bright anvil]

Dang those are clean those would make some amazing builds

[gaunt spade]

i was gonna make cool builds but ram prices

i had a 7950x3d

[bright anvil]

I think some people now sell ramless pcs😭

[gaunt spade]

and white ram

[gaunt spade]

thats just not viable for me

[bright anvil]

Fair

Also saw people doing surge pricing on ram 😭

[gaunt spade]

7950x3d x670 and 2x32

[bright anvil]

What cases are you useing?

[gaunt spade]

cases?

pc case?

[bright anvil]

Yea

[azure topaz]

nah the phone case

[gaunt spade]

rugged

[calm plaza]

I actually completely resonate with this, what is going on with each generation too is shrinkflation, the 4000/7000 gpus from the 3000/6000 gpus experienced shrinkflation per model, a 4060 for example architecturally paralleled with 50 tier graphics cards of previous generations. It is how it is, companies are scummy. I'd recommend you to look it up videos go really in depth in the capacitor alignment. Some people think its a conspiracy but I honestly those people don't research enough

[azure topaz]

thank you

delay pc case answer as long as possible

[gaunt spade]

i dont have the 7950x3d and ram anymore i sold it seperately for dirt cheap

rn in my personal build i have a 12700k and a 20$ case wich came with 4rgb fans

i have a few cases layng around super basic tho

[azure topaz]

30$ fishtank 🤤

[gaunt spade]

i dont have anything appropriate for the x670

i would need something real good for dat

i have a lianli white 360 aio tho i wanna pair with and also a corsair 360 with a screen

h150i or something lik that idk

[azure topaz]

somethin

[gaunt spade]

this

[azure topaz]

cooler thing

[gaunt spade]

propeler

[azure topaz]

mmm maybe not

[gaunt spade]

fidget spinner pro max

[azure topaz]

tube man

[gaunt spade]

rainbow

usb c

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rukaateto-rukaateto00-kid-patrick-1VAhClIh0Tkz1XvLtF

[azure topaz]

we computing mad hard today

[gaunt spade]

7900xtx i miss you

[azure topaz]

i liked my XFX card but i still am not a fan of amd dgpu

better now tho, most my friends who built this year i recoed a 9060xt

[gaunt spade]

amd drivers are the worst

[azure topaz]

intel hasnt been amazing

[gaunt spade]

i havent had intel gpu

[azure topaz]

knew i was on an intel gpu when i launched a 15 year old cod game (world at war) and it crashed on the menu

it worked fine after that but it only got 90fps which is insanely low

[tidal geyser]

i do not

my lunar lake is giving me more than enough performance

also
pro tip not all NVMEs support ASPM
aka be careful what SSDs you use in your laptop
saying this for no particular reason

[hardy horizon]

Oh yeah it does huh, I must be thinking Abt a prior gen

[hardy horizon]

"only" 😭

[azure topaz]

16e didnt

[warm anvil]

i wish i wasnt a brokie with 0 income

i have so much things and upgrades i want to buy and do

[azure topaz]

steal

[warm anvil]

cant even do that theres no pc stores near me

[gaunt spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368511087139618830/1416186775680057397/togif-1.gif

[tidal geyser]

try beating 0.43w

[azure topaz]

there is surely homes

[warm anvil]

nope

[azure topaz]

yknow whats in peoples houses sometimes

like ricos

[warm anvil]

i live in a place where no one cares about pcs

[azure topaz]

computer 🤤

[gaunt spade]

what do i have in my house

[warm anvil]

puter

[gaunt spade]

yea crappy computa

[azure topaz]

this is a terrible way to think just all the time cause its not true

[gaunt spade]

also ddr5 ram

[azure topaz]

may not like gaming computer but im sure they like computer

[gaunt spade]

and 10+tb of ssds

[azure topaz]

if the place i lived in before i moved to oregon with 1400 people occassionally had some good deals on gaming pcs you can do it too

[gaunt spade]

1400 people is crazy

[azure topaz]

yeah ryzen user

[azure topaz]

it was 900 when i lived there actually wont lie

1400 now when we go back up to visit friends and family

[gaunt spade]

1400 people live in my appartment complex propably idk

[azure topaz]

crazy it even has a school

[fresh sleet]

omg that place must be huge

[azure topaz]

yo my bad look

[gaunt spade]

3 appartments

[azure topaz]

guys its almost 1600

[gaunt spade]

16+stories each

[azure topaz]

a whole 220 people in 6 years lmao

beautiful place though

cant be mad at this

[gaunt spade]

my city has 1mil+

[warm anvil]

50k for me

[gaunt spade]

nice hike

[azure topaz]

i could walk across this place as a 10 year old in less than 2 hours

entire town beginning to end

[gaunt spade]

im in the capital

[warm anvil]

capital of my country is like 8 miles from me

[distant frigate]

https://x.com/fortnitestatus/status/2028919547584233622?s=46

Fortnite Status (@FortniteStatus)

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X · Mar 3, 2026, 7:44 PM

[warm anvil]

it has 350k people

[azure topaz]

theres like 62k people where i live

[gaunt spade]

oh no fortinaet

[warm anvil]

i thought this was a different server icl

[azure topaz]

but i live next to 2 cities roughly the same size (theyre right next to eachother idk why theyre different) with the same amount of people

[gaunt spade]

62k propably in my neighboirhoood

[azure topaz]

so its more like 120K where i live now

[warm anvil]

thought i was talking in the archlinux server and i was about to say why are u posting about fortnite in a linux server

[gaunt spade]

do you have any pc store nearby

[azure topaz]

wow my bad a lot more

[gaunt spade]

eugene

[azure topaz]

that +65k for the other city i live next to

[warm anvil]

lmao eugune

[azure topaz]

eugene krabs

[azure topaz]

there was like 4 or so, none of them insane, but one of them let me take all the stuff they were gonna recycle once

got like 3000$ worrth of working parts from a random expedition lol

[pearl thunder]

Can i ask a quick question

[gaunt spade]

bro only in america

recycling pc stuff

[azure topaz]

youd be surprised

ewaste exists everywhere

[gaunt spade]

not in my country

[azure topaz]

things people see as broken typically dont have value lol

[pearl thunder]

Am i supposed to put thermal paste right on the shiny metal parts? Is it ok for it to get on the green parts

[azure topaz]

ur telling me a dell optiplex motherboard with a broken socket is not ewaste where you live lol

[warm anvil]

metal

[pearl thunder]

And is it ok if it gets on the green parts

[warm anvil]

getting it on the dark green bit probably wont do any harm but itll be annoying to clean

[azure topaz]

marked in red

[gaunt spade]

yea im sayng working stuff

[azure topaz]

yeah this stuff i got wasnt working

[pearl thunder]

Alr precciate it

[azure topaz]

then i made it working

[gaunt spade]

well

[azure topaz]

you gotta fix the ewaste

[pearl thunder]

Thanks dawg, imma get to it

[azure topaz]

yur, spread it around flat against those shiny glassy surfaces

[gaunt spade]

fixeable stuff gets sold to repair shops for dirt cheap

[azure topaz]

it doesnt have to be perfect

[azure topaz]

yeah bruv this was a repair shop lol

general pc/pc repair store

had old used towers, newer gaming stuff, builds to order + diagnostic

[gaunt spade]

so a repair shop couldnt repair it and you did

[azure topaz]

yeah

[bold olive]

chip

[gaunt spade]

stupid ahh repair shop

[azure topaz]

i figure most of it was time/monetary tho

[gaunt spade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-eating-chips-G6TgcESZt8FFk8XV7K

[azure topaz]

it was just 1 guy i think i was just taking a load off him tbh

same store legit doesnt exist anymore so

[gaunt spade]

i wish people donated those kinds of things here

[azure topaz]

just realised this guys name is fucking vlone thug

https://klipy.com/gifs/vlone-swag

[gaunt spade]

im getting
1tb sata
250nvme
128nvme
8gb ddr4 laptop ram
2 1tb hdds
for 75$

[azure topaz]

thats not bad

[gaunt spade]

we can see the shirt cuuuh

[azure topaz]

1tb sata ssd makes it pretty wortwhile

[gaunt spade]

everythings 100% too

[azure topaz]

yeah not bad

[gaunt spade]

laptop ram i will plop into my old laptop with 8gb ram

ssds ill use to flip pcs

i also have someone with 512gb ssds for 25 each

he has alot too

[azure topaz]

not bad

reminds me of the hw i got from work lol

i got lots of rando ssds and ram and shiz

[warm anvil]

menacing

[gaunt spade]

man i wish i could w*rk at a pc repair shop or sum like that

[azure topaz]

the pile

[azure topaz]

i worked as IT for a private company, i had access to a lot more for free than what i took

i couldve taken like 15+ desktops home but thats just too much space taken up for realistically something not worth it

decided on mostly their ram and ssds

then after a while i just took ram cause i dont need 15+ 128/256GB ssds

you would be surprsied how much small-medium businesses are upgrading their computers

[pearl thunder]

That’s enough right? Should i put more?