tech-chat-1

[indigo basin]

it works

[carmine yew]

lets goooooo

[indigo basin]

I have 64 gigs of LRDIMM

money up 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[hardy horizon]

225% APR, \

[carmine yew]

500$/gb RAM! LETS DO THIS

[hardy horizon]

nah, 64 GB was nearly $12,000

sounds crazy .... but so did 300% in 7 months ... and yet here we are ...

[odd marsh]

what math

[hardy horizon]

1mmt

[carmine yew]

I'm pretty sure it did 200-300% in like 2.5 months

RAM I bought for 100 bucks in september was over 300 before xmas

[hardy horizon]

from last night talking about affect of a new fab coming online in teh future

yeah, but all an increase in supply in an constrained environment is set the new normal baseline price.

• right now we are at ~$8.60 per GB DDR5, it was ~$3.13 about 6 months ago. so about 19% increase per month

prices will continue at this rate for at least 18 more months. so ~$179 per gig will be the new normal for about 4 years before supply increases to bring prices down 15-30% ....

thats $11,456 for 64 GB ddr5 BTW ....

[final smelt]

Hello there, I’d need to borrow your brains for a few seconds.
I have this case for my ASUS ROG Ally: https://www.amazon.se/dp/B0CT83VTD2?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

I’ve connected an external hard drive (I’ll try switching to an SSD later, but I’m starting with the hard drive since that’s what I had at home).
However, I’ve run into the problem that I can’t charge the Ally while the hard drive is plugged in. So I’m wondering what the best way to solve that issue would be.

What I’ve been thinking about is some kind of USB‑C splitter or hub that can handle both power input and data. Ideally something that can be attached using the straps that come with the case (there’s a long one and a short one). But I haven’t found anything that feels like a good balance between portable/small and functional.

Do you have any ideas or suggestions for alternative solutions or products that might fit my idea?

[thorny saddle]

Meanwhile me

[indigo basin]

entire gdp of tuvalu

[thorny saddle]

I guess I should sell some

[indigo basin]

i have 7 pennies to my name what can i get with that

[thorny saddle]

the containers are $10/ea

[indigo basin]

ram included?

[thorny saddle]

no

[indigo basin]

😔

[odd marsh]

I'll take 2, nice display pieces

[rigid fjord]

you mean non-existant supply for non-exisistant ai demand currently

[hardy horizon]

and because im lazy

The growth rate over the 6-month period was approximately 174.76%
APR (Annual Percentage Rate): 349.52%
APY (Annual Percentage Yield): 654.93%
Projected Price in 18 months: $178.39/GB

[hardy horizon]

you must roll around with private security

[hardy horizon]

wym, there are purchase commitments (meaning you have to pay even if you decide you dont want the goods) through 2027.

[gritty panther]

a

[frigid zenith]

Man i love it when my 3 month old son will be 7.5 trillion pounds by the time he is 10

but on a more realistic note

Surely ram prices dont more than double from where they are now right?

[hardy horizon]

you are kidding right??

[frigid zenith]

Absolutely not

Im actually fully being genuine

[hardy horizon]

we arent anywhere near the peak

[indigo basin]

it was like £200 for 256 gigs of LRDIMM a few months ago

it's now close to £2000

[frigid zenith]

They are reaching a point where consumers probably wont be able to pay much more

[indigo basin]

data centers will pay

[hardy horizon]

and?

[indigo basin]

they don't care about consumers they care about revenue

[hardy horizon]

they arent the buyers they want anyways, too little profit margin

[frigid zenith]

I understand that

[hardy horizon]

AND ... consumers will continue to pay in increased goods costs. since everything is microchip controlled now.

[frigid zenith]

Yet even there interest is waning. Not as fast as it would but relatively it is slower than before

[hardy horizon]

said the same thing with 3090 pricing ... and yet 3090 TI sold out, then 4090, then 5090

[frigid zenith]

While Degrowth hasnt hit the AI companies yet the growth has slowed a significant amount

[hardy horizon]

not because of lack of demand. because of bottlenecks

[frigid zenith]

No, demand is also most definitely one of the factors at play

[hardy horizon]

like a shortage of jet turbine generators (considered "temporary" so no emissions limits) that are needed because the powergrid has been neglected for 50+ years in teh USA.

[frigid zenith]

I forget the exact figures but one of the largish ai platforms reported stagnant user numbers for the first time in a long time

Companies like Dell and Apple are shifting the main narrative away from AI

[hardy horizon]

no its not, its just clear they cant go parabolic like they wanted to because it takes 15+ years to build teh power plants they needed yesterday.

[hardy horizon]

user base has been VERY fluid the last 6-8 months

[frigid zenith]

Yes, Meta, Google and all have insane capex

[plain cypress]

Mmm Facebook slop

[hardy horizon]

yeah, so they cant just bail on commitments, maybe they wait to order for 2029.

[frigid zenith]

Oh absolutely

[empty quartz]

@thorny saddle

[odd marsh]

I just took a fat shit

[plain cypress]

Hell yeah bro

[hardy horizon]

meanwhile the country that masters it first controls the universe ... literally ..

[odd marsh]

thank you thank you

[frigid zenith]

Butsimilarly AI stocks are also feeling the slight wavering of sentiment

[plain cypress]

Spelling...

[tired bear]

bro dont use antistatic bag under the motherbord when powered up

[empty quartz]

I hate a stroke trying to read this

[hardy horizon]

yeah, brian moves faster than fingers sadly

[empty quartz]

Ai will fail

[indigo basin]

are they conductive or is it a risk of melting

[frigid zenith]

ORacle and openai's deal basically fell through, the NVIDIA investment is 30% of what it was supposed to be and so many more like those

[indigo basin]

or both

[frigid zenith]

All this does is point more strongly to risky bubble that is moving much faster than normal

[indigo basin]

oh they are conductive

thank you

[jovial swan]

Fellas
https://www.bilka.dk/produkter/acer-nitro-16s-ai-16-gamer-baerbar-amd-ryzen-ai-7-an16s-61-r87a/200352980/

How is this thing.

Its got a Ryzen 7 350
RTX 5070 TI
IPS 165 hz 1600P display
32 GB ram

[jovial swan]

Its one of the cheapest RTX 5070 TI laptops

[frigid zenith]

Also all of the people i've been talking to in both the engineering and sales/management sides of the bigger tech giants are talking about a sudden slowdown in the internal AI push.

They're definitely flogging it to whoever they can but the push towards internal implementation has basically just stopped

[hardy horizon]

Agentic, thats how the capex has been justified. he who hits it first ,patents, trademarks, etc and they are a untouchable king from teh license fee revenue.

[frigid zenith]

Also im going to betray a certain level of ignorance on my part but from what I gather, aren't LLMs fundamentally limited in the ceiling of what they can achieve. Like at the end of the day it is just predicting the next word that people would use?

[tired bear]

anti static bags are slightly conductive

[hardy horizon]

yeah we had teh buffet talk last night lol. i said 40% unemployment in us and everyone lol ... housing was 10% unemployment, however, there was an intrinstic floor to those values, the land worth and limited supply. if this is a bubble there is no floor

At the peak of the dot-com bubble in March 2000, the global stock market capitalization-to-GDP ratio reached approximately 91% to 110%. This metric, often called the "Buffett Indicator," signifies that the total value of global stocks was roughly equal to or slightly higher than the entire world's economic output (GDP) at that time.

As of early 2026, the Buffett Indicator is flashing extreme warnings, exceeding 220% and surpassing 1999/2000 dot-com bubble levels. Driven by intense Artificial Intelligence (AI) investment, this ratio of total U.S. market cap to GDP suggests severe overvaluation, indicating potential for significant, long-term market underperformance or a sharp correction

[indigo basin]

pink antistatic should be fine no?

[tired bear]

pink ones are slightly, the darker ones with stripes are lots conductive

[indigo basin]

mhh

[hardy horizon]

teh current LLM's yes next word prediction

[indigo basin]

alternative is putting it bare on plastic but couldnt that damage the solder joints

[thorny saddle]

?

[thorny saddle]

bro I spit my beer out

[odd marsh]

my bad

[tired bear]

hp got absolutely scammed for these lol (<200 euros for 64gb)

[thorny saddle]

Hard to tell what I am looking at

[tired bear]

one of their z2 workstations

[indigo basin]

what card is that

[tired bear]

rtx 2000

[tulip sparrow]

CUDIMMS makes a BIG difference on Core ULTRA over standard DDR5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05HRLuU--jI

[thorny saddle]

Duh

[buoyant bridge]

Is $100 for a M1 Mac Mini good?

[tulip sparrow]

They did NOT Even test CUDIMMS on Ultra

[hardy horizon]

yes, $60 in 2019 money

[thorny saddle]

Ah - we have some of those with RTX Pro 6000s i think

[buoyant bridge]

If this is a Z2 isn't that ECC?

[tired bear]

yes but its udimm

[buoyant bridge]

doesn't matter that won't boot in Intel consumer stuff and AMD stuff will often run into issues with it

ECC ram is usually cheaper used nowadays

[frigid zenith]

Yes, I've been looking at this. I was very up to date with GPT-2 when it came out and then ocasionally kept up with gpt3 in 2021. I saw the base that the model was built on and honestly its limitations were so glaringly obvious both then and now. Pardon my language but this just seems like they are intent on polishing a turd

[tired bear]

its literaly running an I7

[buoyant bridge]

i7 XE?

[tulip sparrow]

My AMD 8840HS is on par with a Z2 Non extreme CPU so my laptop is on par with a "modern" handheld and I only paid $650 for it

[indigo basin]

i think theyre referring to the chipset

[buoyant bridge]

consumer i7s dont boot ECC

[frigid zenith]

Like surely people understand that no matter what they do, just because it glitters doesnt mean its gold

[buoyant bridge]

No consumer i7s after Sandy bridge don't boot ECC period

[indigo basin]

which gen is sandy

[tulip sparrow]

Doesn't ECC depend on the MB for intel?

[buoyant bridge]

2nd gen

[indigo basin]

thats what i thought

[buoyant bridge]

Mobo and CPU

[frigid zenith]

damned insane

[tulip sparrow]

Sandy would indeed be 2nd gen

[hardy horizon]

gotta spoon feed improvements to keep hype up

[buoyant bridge]

The CPU needs to support it to boot, the Mobo needs to support it for it to use ECC

[tulip sparrow]

I have an Ivybridge i5 on my secondary PC

[indigo basin]

uh

[tired bear]

as i said its ECC UDIMM

[indigo basin]

12th gen onwards also supports

[tired bear]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241063/intel-core-ultra-7-processor-265k-30m-cache-up-to-5-50-ghz/specifications.html

[indigo basin]

ECC

[buoyant bridge]

there's new Z2s???

[frigid zenith]

Man just talking about ram prices makes me want to cry. I just spent 110 usd on a singular 16gb ddr4 sodimm stick

[tired bear]

yea g1i

[buoyant bridge]

I thought those went out of production after 12th gen

[tired bear]

those were g9

they switched product name a bit

[buoyant bridge]

Ah

makes sense core Ultra boots ECC since Intel killed off desktop Xeons again though

[tired bear]

i like it now
g1i = intel
g1a = amd
g1q = qualcomm

[buoyant bridge]

(they'll be back in 2-3 years)

[buoyant bridge]

Better than Lenovo

Lenovo is just G6

[indigo basin]

machines create machines

[buoyant bridge]

I had both an AMD (fuck that thing and it being completely locked out of running anything but GAC windows) and Intel T14s G6

they're both just a T14s G6

[empty atlas]

is a 2tb sata ssd still good enough for 75 bucks?

[tulip sparrow]

Pretty sure this is the one about CUDIMMS for IIntel Core Ultra CPUS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wchwh-quceA

[indigo basin]

the only AMD stuff i own is my laptop

[tired bear]

which one

[buoyant bridge]

If you're getting a 2TB ssd for $75 new it's not a 2TB ssd

[buoyant bridge]

I'm not touching AMD hardware for at least the next 4 years with the stunts they pulled recently on laptops

[tulip sparrow]

IT sucks that SSDS are limited to 8TB max in size

[buoyant bridge]

??? There's litterally 100TB SSDs

[tulip sparrow]

I have a AMD laptop and a AMD cpu in my desktop

[tidal geyser]

what do you mean, refreshing a refresh is the best idea

[indigo basin]

what did they do?

[tulip sparrow]

@buoyant bridge find me one on amazon

[buoyant bridge]

They required all the business laptops to be locked into running W10/11 pro/enterprise briefly

[tidal geyser]

wat

[empty atlas]

not new, it’s used. off a retailer in the uk with a 5y warranty - the brand is Somnambulist (unknown), but does have prior sales Amazon so the storage size should be legit as they do test these sort of things.

[indigo basin]

how does a CPU even know what OS its running

[tulip sparrow]

Isn't that just the PRO line of CPUS?

[hardy horizon]

sata6? so 550MB/s?

[buoyant bridge]

Notice how I said business laptops

[tulip sparrow]

SATA is plenty for gaming still

[buoyant bridge]

And you have to get a pro CPU to have oobm

[tired bear]

no

[tulip sparrow]

Consumer nvme drives don't seem to be beyond 8TB at least I haven't seen any

[buoyant bridge]

They required OEMs to lock systems with OOBM from having security keys loaded, forced secure boot on (impossible to disable) and if you bypassed it it'd wipe the SSD and no loading the Microsoft UEFI certificate authority so even distros like ubuntu wouldn't run

[tired bear]

bling blings

[indigo basin]

oh ew

[empty quartz]

Installed gnome :D

[tired bear]

this is more due to physical size limitation on m.2 drive form factor

[indigo basin]

im not a gnoblin, im a gnome!

[empty atlas]

this is the details on that model which i can get from Amazon, wouldn’t be buying it from there though as it would be from a used retailer

[tired bear]

dont

[buoyant bridge]

They only thankfully did this for one gen and there is a way to remove these locks as of February but still it was bullshit they even did it

[hardy horizon]

how important is the data youll put on it?

[buoyant bridge]

The way to remove them is sending it back to the OEM and having them flash the bios clean though which is also equally bullshit

[tulip sparrow]

So a 2.5" SATA SSD for $75 makes sense thought you ment m.2 sata ssd

[indigo basin]

what did the sectors that need linux on laptops even do about that then 😭

just not upgrade?

[hardy horizon]

$75 is in a "used" condition

[indigo basin]

surely thatd take a chunk of profits

[buoyant bridge]

AMD doesn't sell well in the business sector anyways

nothing really happened any business using linux is buying Intel anyways

[empty atlas]

it’ll only be basic stuff like games - i’ve got a 500gb boot M.2 SSD & a 1TB HDD already

[indigo basin]

the only reason i even have an AMD laptop is because it was £600 for a 4060 and a ryzen 5

[tulip sparrow]

I am looking at a "PRo" based MiniPC since that seems to be the only ones out to repalce my i5 3570k system

At least the 8845HS PRO

[buoyant bridge]

Those weird miniPCs are probably not following AMDs rules you'll be fine

[tired bear]

122.88TB lol

[buoyant bridge]

AMD made the OEMs do it it's not built into the CPU or chipset

[real quiver]

why does trying to upscale a video to 20K crash my encoder instantly

this is a very necessary task i must partake in

[buoyant bridge]

Running out of memory?

[indigo basin]

i yearn for the money to be able to buy this kind of hardware

[tulip sparrow]

I plan on installing linux on it for HTPC/NAS suage

[tired bear]

just 37000 euros per drive currently on mouser

[real quiver]

i can try cpu encoding but i might be waiting until the heat death of the universe

[hardy horizon]

as long as you wont care is the data disappears randomly AND keep ALLL data on that drive exclusive to that drive. why not?

[indigo basin]

could buy 2 whole cars for that

[buoyant bridge]

Yeah but this fiasco was rules AMD forced OEMs to follow I dobut these weird companies that aren't even buying the CPUs from AMD have that issue

[tired bear]

tbh before ram boom it was less than 10k

[real quiver]

amd cpus don't have issues with linux

my truenas deployment has a ryzen 7 in it

[buoyant bridge]

AMD is hated in the business sector because AMD has basically no rules for OEMs and IT teams don't wanna do research into hardware

[frigid zenith]

Also speaking of laptop lads. What the consensus on the new snapdragon X2s

[hardy horizon]

i am just run it on swap bro!

[tulip sparrow]

Example https://www.amazon.com/AOOSTAR-GEM12-PRO-8845HS-Fingerprint/dp/B0F12H9LVQ

[real quiver]

amd gpus CAN have issues with linux compute though

as i learned

[buoyant bridge]

Yeah these wouldn't even do that because they don't follow the 1 or 2 rules AMD sets for OEMs anyways

these little mini PCs violate the contract a OEM signs to buy CPUs from AMD

[tired bear]

amd gpus have issues with compute overall as most code is writen for CUDA

[real quiver]

i found that a 1660 super does not enjoy running yolov9 extra large

especially the 640px version

[buoyant bridge]

Like these CPUs are bought back market

[real quiver]

it doesn't help that rnda 1 cards never even recieved ROCm drivers to begin with

[hardy horizon]

its Apple, so 24GB ram +512 SSD = 500GB ram, just run it bro

[tulip sparrow]

Basically thinking something like that with a 5 bay DAS attached in a Raid 5/10 config for NAS usage

[real quiver]

i also need to invest in some actual PoE cameras

gopros are not good security cameras

[tulip sparrow]

Should be far more compact then my current i5 3570k based tower I currently have

[buoyant bridge]

weird question why does nobody build server farms in upper alaska or Yukon Canada

[real quiver]

because it's alaska

[buoyant bridge]

yes.. it's cold in upper alaska

[tired bear]

staff+ power

[real quiver]

very little power grid infrastructure outside of cities and very very difficult to get resources there

[buoyant bridge]

They can't need that many on site staff?

[hardy horizon]

alaska is ALL fuel oil for power

[tulip sparrow]

I assume there are some up yonder but staff would be a BIG issue with the low amount of people living up there

[hardy horizon]

so it will be .30/kw PLUS .30/kw fuel surcharge

[buoyant bridge]

I was up in Alaska recently it's pretty baren

[thorny saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-if-you-say-so-whatever-sassy-gif-16833750252917735958

[real quiver]

it's also the construction being unfathomably expensive compared to the lower 48

[buoyant bridge]

Build a solar farm

[tulip sparrow]

Pretty sure the state of Alaska pays people to live in the state

[hardy horizon]

solar doesnt work up there

[real quiver]

alaska doesn't have sun for multiple months

[tired bear]

DC i visited had 4-5 operators on shift 24/7 + security

but that one was small

[buoyant bridge]

no this is actually true

[tulip sparrow]

Geothermal should work I would think up there?

[buoyant bridge]

Alaska does pay people to live in certain areas to do government jobs

[hardy horizon]

because the sun is most intense at equator. in winter you get basically zero power generation even on super sunny days

[buoyant bridge]

you get housing pay for some govt jobs there

[tired bear]

you are confusing alaska with iceland

[real quiver]

not enough power and also would mean building near a vent or something

[buoyant bridge]

Didn't think about that

[hardy horizon]

used to LOL, now they are broke and stealing peoples money vs balancing a budget, and its liek $1,200 a year

[real quiver]

there is seismic activity up there but again it's just not a viable option for that much energy

[buoyant bridge]

They're broke because they suck at doing a lot of shit and have to pay settlements constantly

[hardy horizon]

thats not true lol. yes up in Barrow (cant spell its native name) bet below that no

[tired bear]

that doesent matter, it matters how deep you have to drill for sufficiant temperature

[buoyant bridge]

I'm guessing Yukon is the same case + the rough terrain not being suitable for building?

[tired bear]

you can drill anywhere, you will eventualy hit hot shit

[real quiver]

*the sun is gone for significant parts of the day during winter months

is that better

[real quiver]

i mean there is at least one active volcano in alaska so i'm sure vents exist

[thorny saddle]

white or black?

[buoyant bridge]

black case with white internals would be wayyy cooler

[thorny saddle]

wrong

[real quiver]

it's just so much more expensive and complex than any company would want to do

[buoyant bridge]

also why did you do my sideways fan thing

[thorny saddle]

excuse me

[tired bear]

mix it up

[buoyant bridge]

I used to have 2 92mm fans hanging from the top fans in my case

[thorny saddle]

I used to have 4 x 80mm fans on the side of my self made plexi panel lol

These builds require fans blowing on the memory

[buoyant bridge]

Mine where just to redirect air to the CPU cooler intake

[thorny saddle]

These are running very OC'd memory

[buoyant bridge]

I have 4800 mhz ddr5😭 😭 😭

[thorny saddle]

this is 8000 CL30 and 9000 CL42

[hardy horizon]

yep, cant really do current neuclar because of simestic (though iirc molten sodium removes the Fukashims risk)

[buoyant bridge]

oh wow

[real quiver]

also getting water to a datacenter would be a lot more complex probably

idk it's a lot of money for not a lot of reward

[ivory mountain]

for ur house? white

[thorny saddle]

don't worry about the house

[ivory mountain]

i smell 6700xt

[thorny saddle]

just pick your favorite

[hardy horizon]

yeah, more that 90% of Canada population lives within 100 miles of US border, though the local goverment built out free EV chargers.

[ivory mountain]

ik im saying since the walls of ur house are white the white pc goes very well with it and i like it more like that

[buoyant bridge]

This is the PC I actually use in my house

[thorny saddle]

it won't be in my kitchen

[ivory mountain]

durr durr durr

[hardy horizon]

ehh, kinda. its mostly like private companies who pay extra, then charge you to stay up there LOL

[buoyant bridge]

does Alaska not do the govt housing pay anymore?

I had 3 years of govt work there where I was paid $650 by the state of Alaska and $300 by the federal government just for "housing" since it's a "unfavorable working place"

[hardy horizon]

not really, its straight up not investing the PFD fund, and piss poor future planning. citizens wont allow a sales tax until the govt proves they can do math. and teh goverment is in down on teh pensula ... not even remotly close to the communityies they serve..

[buoyant bridge]

My husband in the military got an extra $1100 on his paycheck when he was stationed there too so

[hardy horizon]

yes

3.5hrs in Fairbanks for reference

[hardy horizon]

actually no, plenty of water in alaska

[hardy horizon]

yes due to cost of living vs lower 48

[real quiver]

wouldn't they have to either build pipelines to transport it to the data center or drill wells

i'm not very familiar with alaska besides the fact it's cold, big, and mostly remote

[hardy horizon]

build it on the bank of a river.

[ripe spire]

Nyoom

[topaz shale]

spoiler alert

still no oled

[ripe spire]

Spoiler alert, still don’t want or need it

[vast otter]

https://youtu.be/xxtZ9DnQJVk?si=0w5mqVYCjS7RucDr

[thorny saddle]

and fuckin racing line wtf

[thorny saddle]

Rust.org/rust.htm

[topaz shale]

i be eyeing asus' new tandem oled

that monitor is sick af

[mellow sonnet]

screw oled, wait for qdel to arrive in 2-4 years

[ripe spire]

Lmao 😂

[sleek ibex]

Like I told you in WCE, nice to see something different in terms of what you usually see these O11 builds have

[buoyant bridge]

god this is so much nicer and faster

I found out the link from my server was only at 10/100 for some reason

still maxing out the NIC sadly

need to put a new 10G card in since 4 way striping WILL overwhelm upto I think a 4G link?

[thorny saddle]

Thanks though like I said they're just O11s

[sleek ibex]

I know it's just refreshing to see something different for a change

[real quiver]

See I just get to write to four hdds at the same time so I figure out when I run out of memory real fast

My write speeds go full poopoo mode

[robust trail]

So I ordered a set of these : https://kineticlabs.com/switches/hmx/hmx-frog-switches and I liked them so much I ordered ALL of the stock they had left.

🙂

switches fo life yo

[real marsh]

They'd better go ribbit when I press a key

[robust trail]

lol

[real marsh]

[robust trail]

I don't use the GMMK daily

I have a ducky one x mini as a daily driver

the gmmk is a backup now

[real marsh]

Fair fair

[thin bloom]

i'm getting one of those for my new build to go with my old keyboard and mouse

well i looked them up. when i first looked up defender norton 360 showed up and when i looked up totalvirus virustotal showed up. i can't decide what one to use to scan my whole pc

[orchid lion]

Anyone have had this happen to Arctic P12 Pro fans? 2months old and the fan stopped spinning 5 mins later 🙏

[thin bloom]

hmm. i might sound stupid but have you cleaned the fan blades or loosen the fans so it's not hitting the chasse?

[random jetty]

Okay so I got a new pc and it needed an sdd so put one in and it doesn’t boot? I’m new to this can anyone help, it’s a msi motherboard

[thin bloom]

is it turning off and on or is there no power to it?

[random jetty]

It’s turning on but not
finding the drive

I know the drive works

[grizzled frost]

what motherboard, what drive

well actually, #1027757333117415424

[random jetty]

Seagate ssd and a msi 970 gaming?

Barracuda ssd

[grizzled frost]

there are literally dozens of "seagate barracuda" SSD's

exact model necessary

[random jetty]

Sorry I’m new to this

[grizzled frost]

that is not an SSD

[tidal geyser]

xd

[random jetty]

Oh hdd idk anymore lol

OH WAIT

[grizzled frost]

it quite literally says "HDD" on it lol

[random jetty]

Guy to told me it need an hard drive actually

[random jetty]

So im in the clear

[grizzled frost]

what

[tidal geyser]

this close nuf

[random jetty]

Man I’m sorry

[grizzled frost]

SATA SSDs smh

[random jetty]

Okay okay put where do I put it? What connections because there’s like 3 of the same one

[grizzled frost]

doesn't matter, also there's 6 of them

[random jetty]

Oh must be blind

[grizzled frost]

plug the SATA data cable into the board and HDD, then plug in power for the HDD from the PSU

[random jetty]

Very helpful photo I shall update

[tidal geyser]

das a nice pic

[grizzled frost]

i mean you literally just plug it in where it fits

[random jetty]

I can’t find the spot for the little one

[frigid blade]

Oh my god not this again

[grizzled frost]

i retract my previous statement, i forgot people exist without grey matter

[frigid blade]

I still can’t believe it fits

[grizzled frost]

use the image as a reference, and look at it with your eyes

[thin bloom]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wtf-trending-mrbean-D8qJlXpO3MVccXZ9mA

[random jetty]

Yes my eyes are broken tho but I am going to google

[thin bloom]

wtf happend

[frigid blade]

On the mobo? Usually right side near the edge of it, there’s a few

[tidal geyser]

people

[random jetty]

Oh my god I’m blind thank you

Now that all this is plugged in it’s good to boot?

[orchid lion]

Has not had the time to even get dirty yet. It def not hittin the chassis as the sound continues even with the back panel removed (like in the video). Rotating it by hand feels like bearing is damaged. Idk if Arctic will do smth about it though. I bought them from my local pc parts store new and their warranty process is horrible 😄

[grizzled frost]

yep

[thin bloom]

did it short circuit or got to hot?

[grizzled frost]

both

[frigid blade]

Pretty sure they plugged in an m.2 into a SATA power cable

[grizzled frost]

mate they put a M.2 SSD into a sata power cable

that's 12v

[random jetty]

It’s loading thank you guys so much especially @grizzled frost and @frigid blade

[grizzled frost]

Happy to help

[random jetty]

And I apologize for my slowness 😭

[frigid blade]

If you still don’t understand the issue the gamer, that’s not where you plug in an m.2

[grizzled frost]

Everyone was a novice at some point

[random jetty]

I’m really more used to ancient boards and this one is a bit old but yea thanks again

[jovial swan]

@tidal geyser do you reckon this might be a decent sidegrade to my desktop?

https://www.elgiganten.dk/product/outlet/msi-vector-16-i9-14hx3210244080-16-barbar-gaming-computer/884211?qid=d6f0a0915bd0e447ab4aee76db64cf50

[grizzled frost]

AM3/AM3+ qualifies as ancient

[jovial swan]

12K dkk aint bad. Might be a generation old but still

[grizzled frost]

it has 2 PCI slots

[frigid blade]

When will we see desktop GPU in laptops instead of the poopy mobile versions

[grizzled frost]

never

[frigid blade]

I prefer more iGPU development over the mobile GPUs

[lone sparrow]

Hey guys, is there a dedicated channel to scream why are my 1% lows so bad on my PC

[thin bloom]

You can take gamble and see if they will warrant it

[grizzled frost]

Don't need a channel, just a pillow

[lone sparrow]

[frigid blade]

RAM issue?

[lone sparrow]

No idea I just swapped to 2 sticks from 4 and i thought that would fix it, It in fact did not lol

[grizzled frost]

that would only make it worse if anything

[frigid blade]

Bruh

[lone sparrow]

I have a VERY powerful machine for mostly work but i do game and yeah my 1% lows are kinda bad 😂

[frigid blade]

With consumer CPUs, you can only have 1 of the 2, either higher capacity slower speed, higher speed lower capacity

[grizzled frost]

define "very powerful"

[tidal geyser]

its gonna hvea HORRIBLE battery life

[lone sparrow]

5090 Aorus master, 96GB (48GBX2), my CPU is a little dated with a 13700K and all my HDD's are Gen4 M.2's

[thin bloom]

It's probably what you said. I don't know what's going on in the image. I'm tired and don't feel like processing it

[frigid blade]

Reminds me of the steam review with them saying they have an ultra powerful gaming pc and it was a 1650 or something

[grizzled frost]

all your HDD's are gen4 M.2's?

that's like saying all my cats are german shepherds

[lone sparrow]

Ram is a tad slow since i only needed high capacity sticks and now low CL.

[frigid blade]

CL not important

[grizzled frost]

CL important for 1% lows

[lone sparrow]

well they are running at 5.6GHZ CL38

[frigid blade]

With 4 dimms?

[frigid blade]

Bro this is just words

[lone sparrow]

No 2, sorry if the above was confusing I was using 4 sticks 4x16GB i swapped to 2x48GB

[grizzled frost]

CL38 is not exactly a good CAS latency

especially at 5.6MT/s

[tulip sparrow]

The fact that MMOFPS games never really took off in the west is certainly a headscratcher

[frigid blade]

What’s the difference between your 1% lows and average?

[grizzled frost]

and what application

[lone sparrow]

Most games my 1% lows can drop to 1/4th of my average fps which is around 130-144

So i can have 30-50fps 1% lows

[jovial swan]

Ah fack. Well nopey dopey then

[lone sparrow]

And its for pretty much all games.

[earnest prawn]

what is a good and affordable and to expensive curved gaming monitor ???

[jovial swan]

Is the Lenovo legion 5+ with a RTX 5070 alright? I play BF6 at 1440P with DLSS on at all times, and it never exceeds 8228 MB Vram usage.

[jovial swan]

Ultra and overkill settings btw

[jovial swan]

MSI MPG 27 inch 180 hz SVA QHD display.
Atleast its cheap here in denmark.

[frigid blade]

I think the issue is the combobulator

[tidal geyser]

cpu?

[jovial swan]

What the heck is a combubulator

[lone sparrow]

I guess a good example is Dota 2 since it's very optimized and I still get some pre bad lows.

[earnest prawn]

it does not look curved at all or is it just the pics

[jovial swan]

Theres 4 different choices, all right around same price here

R9 8940HX
R9 9955HX
R7 Ai 350
I7 13650HX

[jovial swan]

Its mildly Curved.

[jovial swan]

I want something that can work alright for on-the-go gaming, like on a train or smth.

[frigid blade]

Are curved monitors actually beneficial for anything

[jovial swan]

No idea, Ive always used them, so got no clue about normal ones

[frigid blade]

I understand the idea behind it, it kinda wraps around for the eyes

[earnest prawn]

is it a good wide screen ?

[tidal geyser]

AMD Ryzen™ 9 9955HX

zen 5

[frigid blade]

sim who is your pfp?

[glacial crypt]

On to something?❌ On something?✅

[fringe prairie]

9955hx if you need performance
ai 350 if you need battery life

[glacial crypt]

def the 9955HX

[south arrow]

[lone sparrow]

okay back had a call so yeah this is normally my worse 1% lows on dota 2

[tidal geyser]

ok

[lone sparrow]

That's on 4k Ultra-wide 3840x1440 but as you can see its not really using much of my GPU/CPU its just struggling

[tidal geyser]

engine issues i dono

[lone sparrow]

Yeahhhhh I swapped to Vulkan to see if it was a D11 issue did not fix it. Those numbers are pre much the same across the board on any game.

[earnest prawn]

what is a good and affordable and to expensive wide gaming monitor ???

[ivory mountain]

i LOVE microtransactions im going to buy this

[cold skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-wtf-gif-18188575

[plain cypress]

Lol achievements

[quasi moat]

Meh

What’s up with your upload?

[frigid blade]

ATT moment

[lone sparrow]

It shows up worse in benchmark tools since the 1% low is 1/10th of the max fps 😂

[quasi moat]

I used to live in ireland. And I’d be pulling less than that on average so it’s okay

Ireland didn’t care about coverage until 3 years ago

[frigid blade]

Home internet I got gigabit symmetrical but idrc about mobile

I’m usually connected to wifi when I’m out anyway

[quasi moat]

Growing up there I would walk to our local post office/restaurant to get wifi

[frigid blade]

I went to our library

[gritty panther]

beef PC 13700k + 5090

[frigid blade]

I remember playing Roblox in the library everyday after school

For hours

[gusty wagon]

Hello people

[gritty panther]

wazup

[lone sparrow]

CPU is a little dated but i didnt need to upgrade it for the work i do even though i have been tempted to swap over to AMD

[gusty wagon]

How long does a X470/X570 motherboard typically last?

[south arrow]

[cold skiff]

You went to a library?

[cold skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/pulling-the-pet-collective-cat-give-it-to-me-pull-the-string-gif-18191542

[gusty wagon]

Go back to your tztokjad

[tidal geyser]

until it dies

[cold skiff]

I should of gif’d until it did now instead

[gusty wagon]

Sigh

[tidal geyser]

its 2 generations old well 1 is more correct

[cold skiff]

Too busy 1 ticking karams

[gritty panther]

my 3D printer that doesnt poop is finally coming

I dont usually pre-order/beta test stuff

[lone sparrow]

More in the sense its dated to be pair'd with a 5090

[tidal geyser]

not really if you're doing like 4k native on everything

or DLAA or whatever its called

[gritty panther]

you're fine tbh

[lone sparrow]

My normal Res is 3840x1440 or ultrawide

[gritty panther]

who's playing at 1080p anyway

[cold skiff]

At 1440p a 5090 is held back by all cpus still

Game dependant ofc

[gritty panther]

13700k + 5090 is still a solid combo. you dont need X3D

[cold skiff]

Comp gamers

[lone sparrow]

Yeahhhhhh i thought that could be the case. Its 5090's bandwidth is just so high i dont see modern consumer cpu's keeping up

[gritty panther]

but if you have a 5090 and with a 1080p monitor. id rage

[lone sparrow]

but i still dont understand why my 1% lows suck

[gritty panther]

nah 13700k is fine

[gritty panther]

it's probably just game being shitty

games are coded like sh

[cold skiff]

You’ll be pissed to know what top pro cs teams do then. 5090 + 9800x3d. 4k monitor and 1080p or less res

[lone sparrow]

Its for all games

Expect RE4 (remake) that ran at near perfect 1:1

[gritty panther]

they're pros. not us

[cold skiff]

Pros gotta come from somewhere and cs is in that transitional stage still of finding new players

[gritty panther]

or maybe do a clean install of windows first as a sanity check. 13700kf should be plenty with QHD super mega ultrawide

😆

[lone sparrow]

I've been tempted its just my PC is setup with Python/Machine learning work so I'd be spending days reinstalling everything 😂 and since its not Linux and I already had to fight Windows to the death to get stuff working I'd rather not

[gritty panther]

sounds like a lot of work lol

[cold skiff]

I guess windows died then if you’re still here?

[lone sparrow]

probz

Windows does not like a ton of Python stuff, while Linux loves it but I'd rather have ease of access with gaming then swap over to linux

[cold skiff]

Depends what you play

[lone sparrow]

Yeah i guess so XD

[cold skiff]

And/or if you want dual boot for games that aren’t Linux-able

[lone sparrow]

Well the big test will be RE9 I'm going to see how my PC handles Ultra+Path tracing when it releases in a few hours

[frigid blade]

Yes, was a 1 minute walk

[cold skiff]

If your work flow was smoother and your productivity was boosted 50%. Sounds like a dual boot is worthwhile to just switch OS for games when you want to

If it makes no difference, not worth it I guess

[cold skiff]

Who uses a library in 2026 except…. We gonna see you in a fans film now?

[frigid blade]

I said I used to… when I was a kid

[cold skiff]

You been hanging with Bonnie again? Well out of I guess

[lone sparrow]

I do think some of my 1% low problems stems from using a Vertical mount I just swear those PCIE Riser cables can't handle the bandwidth on the 5090 correctly.

[frigid blade]

When I didn’t have a computer

[cold skiff]

Ohhh my bad. Thought you meant today 😂

[cold skiff]

You’re increasing latency

[molten tendon]

would #1106613567966429224 be a good place to ask home sever building questions

[cold skiff]

But even with increased latency and if it was PCIe 4, you lose like 2% most

[lone sparrow]

yeah its on Gen4 its a Gen5 cable but if i run Gen5 it can cause my PC to crash.

[cold skiff]

If ya riser is damaged internally or not secured correctly you’ll see a performance drop that’s noticeable

[lone sparrow]

Vs Global benchmarks for like Steel Nomad I'm like 2-3% behind so i dont think its causing major issues

but it could be causes the bad 1% lows

[cold skiff]

What’s the ram ya got

[fringe prairie]

could try linux via wsl2

[lone sparrow]

I have 2 48GB sticks running at 5.6GHZ CL38

[cold skiff]

13700k with 5600 cl38 sounds like the reason for poorer 1% lows

Intel likes speed and tight timings

[lone sparrow]

Was happening with my old sticks which were 5.4GHZ but CL32

but those were in Quad config

[cold skiff]

It’s not like having a 7/9x3d. you can get away with poorer memory because of the cache. Intel loves speed on all generations using ddr5

[lone sparrow]

ahhhhhh

[cold skiff]

I should say Intel NEEDS better speed and timings on memory

[versed ferry]

2-3% behind the average? If that's what you mean it's okay. The thing that sucks about most benchmarking software like 3DMark is that the benchmarks are always skewed higher because of everyone overclocking. It's really hard to use it to tell if your hardware is performing optimally at stock in comparison to other people at stock unless maybe you go to the website and do individual comparisons on the leaderboards with your same CPU/GPU. Even then it can be kind of fucky. I do really wish there was a benchmark software out there that force you to do absolute stock settings (as much as they possible can) for true comparisons.

[cold skiff]

His issue is 1% lows that are lower than expected. Turns out, we can now expect those lows because 13th gen and slow ddr5

[lone sparrow]

It's to bad i ended up going for a MID 96GB kit to save a little money I was originally looking at this Ram, but i dont need 192GB, but they only sell those modules in an, X4 kit so I would have had to sell 2 of them.

Price in AUD not USD

so it's not a terrible cost.

[cold skiff]

It’s worth learning and finding out how you can manually overclock your kit tbh

Will help with your lows

[lone sparrow]

It's already overclocked

[cold skiff]

Yeah but manually you could tighten the timings

[lone sparrow]

Yeah I tried that, Memory became a tad unstable

that's its current "stable" setup

[cold skiff]

A fun thing to do when manual overclocking is literally step the CL down to the next level

A lot of kits are capable of just that out the box

There’s people in here that are super with overclocking ram. That can help when they’re around tbh

[lone sparrow]

I tried CL32/34/36 and it would not boot currently. This Ram is honestly quite mid i think its 5.6GHZ CL40 base rating.

I should of just went with the Biwin 😂 Instead of Corsair I could always return my new memory but its a moment

[versed ferry]

Ah alright. I saw the 1% lows things but I thought he was talking about his score in general. I guess I wouldn't know, I currently have a 6600MT/s 32-39-39-76 kit. I did originally have a 5600MT/s 36-36-36-76 kit but I'm not sure how that affected my benchmarks, I'd have to dig through old ones.

[versed ferry]

Do you know what dies you have? (I don't know if you already said or not)

[lone sparrow]

It's Micron while the Biwin i was looking at is SK

[teal sinew]

i forgot that tech chat 1 is an option

ive been only using tc2 for a couple of years

[versed ferry]

Yeah I just don't know if Micron makes more than one die type like SK Hynix has M and A dies (I honestly don't know, I've never heard anyone make any distinguishments with Micron DDR5). What I can say is that I have SK Hynix M-dies and they're great. Don't get me wrong, I've only messed around with trying to actually OC my ram once but I reverted it just because I think my 96GB 6600MT/s 32-39-39-76 is enough and I just don't feel like messing around with it anytime soon (if ever), but it did seem to OC nice. I know everyone says A-dies are the best for OC'ing, but damn M-dies really get the job done if you're just looking for fast stable ram with, especially if you don't plan on going over XMP settings.

[versed ferry]

I've noticed

[cold skiff]

M2B in sku name says micron b

[versed ferry]

I switch between them depending on what people are talking about tbh

[teal sinew]

many years ago i used to exclusively use TC1

[cold skiff]

I got a micron b from Corsair also. They’re not the best to oc,

[teal sinew]

then i realized that the adults are in TC2 so i moved there

[cold skiff]

Adults?

I came here for the Roblox kids

[teal sinew]

[versed ferry]

To be fair most people click on Tech Chat 1 since it's the first on the list. A lot of people just assume TC2 is just a backup.

[cold skiff]

Too soon? 😬

[sinful cobalt]

ayo

[versed ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-meme-funny-sigma-roblox-meme-gif-13853433426522925059

[cold skiff]

If you can’t joke about the most powerful people in the UK and US being scumbags. Who can we joke about 😭

[clear canyon]

i mean you dont gotta talk about politics

[cold skiff]

Shaming the 1% is not politics

Hawking was no politician

[clear canyon]

that is lol

[lone sparrow]

Yeah no idea on the M/A die part all i know is this memory does noit like being overclocked much

even dropping from CL40 to 38 was annoying

[cold skiff]

He was just too smart that he needed to be smited and still became the top 1% club

[lone sparrow]

So with a 13th gen Intel its pre much get ultra low CL RAM or have bad 1% lows

[versed ferry]

If you ever want to know this is the easiest way I know of (or at least this is the way I usually do it.) On HWINFO.

[cold skiff]

IIRC with intel speed matters more, then latency. Good balance of both helps

[teal sinew]

micron doesnt give a shit about overclockability, they adhere to and develop specifications with intel

[cold skiff]

Micron didn’t give a shit - that’s all you needed to know tbh

Like Nvidia. Us peasants just get the slop from micron

[azure topaz]

no ram vendor really cares they just accidentally make good ic’s

samsung made b die on accident and it still has glaring issues that can’t be overlooked

[teal sinew]

most of the geforce gpu lineup actually has better gpu core quality than the quadro/pro lineup

the exception being the rtx pro 6000 blackwell having a better core than the 5090

[lone sparrow]

its B-Die

[ivory mountain]

first RE game

[teal sinew]

i thought you meant samsung ddr4 at first and i was going to say sweet

[queen spire]

Umamusume🔥💯

[tulip sparrow]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/26/business/warner-bros-discovery-paramount-deal-netflix.html

[lone sparrow]

😂

[versed ferry]

Ah, well that's nice at least. Rev B is considered better than Rev A Micron. Man it just sucks with the ram shortage right now. Can't blame you if you buy that kit and then sell the other two sticks. It just sucks because I thought my 96GB kit was expensive when I bought it, compared to prices now it might as well be gold. It's dumb. Do you really need a 96GB kit? (Just wondering what you do). I really didn't need 96GB personally, I just decided to go all out with the rest of my build and figured it wouldn't hurt because I may get into things that eat up more ram here and there.

[lone sparrow]

Yeah sadly I need a lot of Ram for what I do honestly If i could use 64GBX2 i would 😂

[ivory mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/weiii-wei-daitaku-helios-daitaku-heriosu-ダイタクヘリオス-gif-6178655896824404000

[buoyant bridge]

RTX 42069

[steep orchid]

Anyone know what this noise is coming from my power supply, its not this loud but its a subtle buzz, and should i be concerned

[buoyant bridge]

Line Hum

Check grounds if grounds r good psu might be failing

[teal sinew]

the ram pricing spike hit at such an unfortunate time

[steep orchid]

Whats grounds😭

[teal sinew]

we just started seeing 32GB 1R, 64GB 2R, and 128GB 4R DDR5 UDIMMs

[buoyant bridge]

okay so do you have a multimeter or an outlet tester

[teal sinew]

iirc there were some demos of 2x128GB 7200MT/s on the Intel U9 285K at CES

[steep orchid]

nah

[ivory mountain]

hey i have the same controller

[steep orchid]

my pc works fine tho

[buoyant bridge]

well you can't test your outlet ground then

[steep orchid]

Its so goated

[ivory mountain]

ikr

only paid $30

[buoyant bridge]

My PSU does line noise if I use a ungrounded cable

[steep orchid]

Is it coil whine

[steep orchid]

Best controller

[lone sparrow]

I may just return the Ram and go with Biwin since that kit honestly hasn't move much in price since not many people need 192GB of Ram 😂

that isn't ECC

[buoyant bridge]

no that would be your GPU

If it's coming from your PSU it's line Hum which usually comes from a lack of ground

You need to test your outlet to see if it's ground works

[grizzled frost]

by "line noise" do you just mean a 60hz hum from main's power?

[buoyant bridge]

yeah

I've only ever seen it coming from failing PSUs and ungrounded PSUs

[versed ferry]

Fair. Yeah if you need it you need it. Just unfortunate timing. But hey, if you're in tech long enough you're going to get fucked at one point or another, it's just how it be. Found these if you're in the US.

[grizzled frost]

god damn

[teal sinew]

yeesh i paid $160 for 2x24GB M-die

[versed ferry]

(Don't know if you're able to order them or not outside of the US)

[lone sparrow]

Na I'm the AUS we pay even more for Ram 😂

[mellow sonnet]

ram is ram

[grizzled frost]

not all ram is equal

[buoyant bridge]

most ram isn't equal

[versed ferry]

Well you could always download more ram in this trying time.

Nah but seriously though that sucks.

[grizzled frost]

time to build an all flash NAS and download ram (swap space)

[buoyant bridge]

assign more ram*

[lone sparrow]

Our Amazon pricing is also horrible 😂 I dont use it to buy pc parts normally

[versed ferry]

Oh wait shit I'm an idiot those were 24gb sticks anyways. You'd have to use 4 which is less optimal. I was wondering why they seemed so """cheap""". That's my bad. (Even back when I bought this kit 2 years ago for $379.99 most of the time I looked up 2x48GB sticks it would show me 2x24GB sticks)

[lone sparrow]

If i was going to replace the Ram i'd most likely go this since its still priced pretty decent

[rigid fjord]

well defender = windows defender, aka what came with the pc, it gets the exact same virus definitions as the others

[versed ferry]

You can just download it. It's free on the internet. There's a whole website and everything called DownloadMoreRam. What? You really think someone would go and the internet and just LIE?

[mellow sonnet]

ram is just ram

[grizzled frost]

extremely low effort rage bait

[mellow sonnet]

it rams around

it does ram thinfs

[rigid fjord]

there's also those who put berg connectors onto the fan header and wonder why fans no work after

[mellow sonnet]

loge when my ram is doing ram things

[grizzled frost]

typing is hard

[mellow sonnet]

i am barney alive

[rigid fjord]

having a brain is harder for some people

[grizzled frost]

the average quantity of grey matter slowly decreases

[mellow sonnet]

like thus segue to our sponsor

[grizzled frost]

i'm sponsored by cabbage man incorporated

[plain cypress]

Oh my cabbages

[gritty panther]

weheheheheh

[mellow sonnet]

i loved the time when ram was cheap yet people complained about ddr5 prices

[versed ferry]

Yeah I don't know prices in Australia but that deal seems pretty decent (for the current market). I was just seeing if I could find a better deal with a bit faster ram before I knew you were in Australia. I probably would go with that too. It might be inconvenient having to sell the other two sticks but at least you're likely getting them a bit cheaper by buying a x4 kit and you're going to get money back by selling it. Just be prepared for people to ask if you can take $200 and a pack of bubblegum

[mellow sonnet]

people thought 100 was expensive for ddr5

[lone sparrow]

Ow yeah same here when i brought my 4 16GB sticks i paid 240USD for all 4

[gritty panther]

48gb 6000 cl30 was $130 lel

[lone sparrow]

Its just I need even more Ram for my work these days

[mellow sonnet]

my 32 6000 cl36 was 105e

now its 500

[gritty panther]

96gb ram gang gag

[lone sparrow]

yeah thats the big issue idk who would want to buy 96GB of Ram 2nd Hand (even if its brand new) not many people need more then 32GB

[mellow sonnet]

im perfectly fine with 32g

[thorny saddle]

smol ram gang

[mellow sonnet]

sometimes i run out

[versed ferry]

I'm sure you'll find somebody. There's always idiots out there like me wanting to buy more than they currently need. Worst case scenario is selling it on Ebay (or whatever the Australian equivalent is? I don't know if you guys use Ebay or not?) if trying to sell local doesn't go well.

[lone sparrow]

Also trying to flex fast cheap memory on me. Here (thats in AUD) and only $700 over MSRP

[versed ferry]

Some ram is better than no ram

[gritty panther]

Australia doesn't sound like a good place to live. a lot of spiders and overpriced PC hardware lel

[lone sparrow]

Not really over-priced when or medium wage is like 80-100K AUD a year and we only pay 25% more for most PC parts Vs USD pricing

[versed ferry]

(November 2023)

[gritty panther]

I've been into building computers since around 2008. I've known australian pricing have sucked for a long time now lol

I remember people at overclock.net complaining

[azure topaz]

"still priced pretty decent"

1800$

[mellow sonnet]

living in australia must be shit since you drive on the wrong side🧑‍🦯

[gritty panther]

and I hated the microcenter peeps that were buying the magic samsung ram that overclocked good lol

[azure topaz]

😭

[lone sparrow]

thats in AUD

[azure topaz]

that makes it no better

[versed ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bobo-bobo-the-bear-bear-bear-market-stock-market-gif-6294795975158327744

[lone sparrow]

most 192GB kits are over 3K AUD

[azure topaz]

and what do we need 192GB for

[versed ferry]

It's the market we have, but not the market we need

[versed ferry]

He's buying it for 96gb and selling the other half. He said he does need more than 64gb for his use case.

[teal sinew]

if that's $1800AUD including tax then it's like $1150USD pre tax and shipping which is unfortunately a good price for 4x48GB right now

if you actually need the ram for work

[azure topaz]

thats 1250$

oh i see what you mean

[lone sparrow]

I would only need half the kit but the dont sell it in 96GB kits only 192GB kits

[azure topaz]

still wouldnt bring me to justify overspending idk

[lone sparrow]

well 96GB kits brand new are 1200-1400 AUD so i'd be spending an extra $400 for a 192GB kit thats very fast

[mellow sonnet]

should i ask copilot to use less ram and water

[versed ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[azure topaz]

its no faster than any other 192GB 6000 (or anything close) on the market

[mellow sonnet]

great idea

with the best of intentions what could possibly go wrong

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277357627671707739/1279943764630179880/caption.gif

[azure topaz]

brand new kits are 1k aud (checked just now) id just buy that without the intention to resell for my money back to make it a worthwhile endeavor

[mellow sonnet]

1080ti owners get on my nerves sometimes

[lone sparrow]

but are they CL28?

[azure topaz]

CL28 makes no difference to the performance

[clear canyon]

they really old now days

[versed ferry]

It was one of the best cards of all time but its time has definitely passed. It can still be great depending on what games you play, but it's outdated for more modern stuff. It will always be considered a legendary card, though.

[azure topaz]

CL28 means something if you actually manually input timings and frequencies

[lone sparrow]

Well right now I'm dealing with bad 1% lows due to having a 13th gen CPUI

[mellow sonnet]

even a 4060 is a better choice

[azure topaz]

which it really seems like you dont

[azure topaz]

then this stupid kit of ram isnt going to save you lol

[clear canyon]

yeah

[azure topaz]

C28 vs C32 or some other garbage is not helping your stutters

[mellow sonnet]

adjusting prices for inflation its nothing special from what ive seen

[azure topaz]

most XMP's/EXPO profiles perform pretty similar to eachother, with manual tuning pulling quite far ahead

[mellow sonnet]

that card is priced right where an 80 tier card should be

and then comes the last gtx titan from the same architecture that had a higher msrp than current 4090 and 5090

[azure topaz]

why are you having conversations about pascal with demons

[mellow sonnet]

whats so legenedary about 10 series then if pricing is actually similar

[clear canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-ryoumen-sukuna-creepy-gif-12551825354737287876

[azure topaz]

geniunely kinda lost rn 😭

[clear canyon]

better get found then son

[versed ferry]

Unfortunately, basically any price from back then makes what we have today look great. Especially after the crypto & covid bullshit. And now the ram shortage. We've just been having a bad time

[lone sparrow]

and what do you think would save me XD

[azure topaz]

a better cpu alone or manually tuning memory

[clear canyon]

stealing

[azure topaz]

6000 c28 doesnt magically make ur pc significantly faster than 6000 c38 or anything similar lol

[clear canyon]

manually underclocking ram, cpu and gpu is an epic gamer gigachad move

[azure topaz]

i agree

[clear canyon]

ddr2 speeds on ddr5

[lone sparrow]

Well i have a 5090 running at 3100MHZ so i can't get much faster on the GPU side

[clear canyon]

yes you can

[azure topaz]

what does this have to do with your slow cpu

[clear canyon]

its called duel 5090 ;)

[mellow sonnet]

while it was slightly cheaper than turing id say a 2080ti is a much better choice than a grandpa 1080ti that realistically became outdated the moment rt and upscaling was more widespread

[clear canyon]

or going into server gpus

[clear canyon]

where is gt210

[azure topaz]

not a g aming workload, but you can see most XMP's are pretty similar to eachother

[lone sparrow]

noice

[versed ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-scrooge-mcduck-money-rich-gif-14161225

[clear canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-pcb-ram-memory-chips-gif-13714663

[mellow sonnet]

10 series owners are crying rn because they got no rt, upscaling, no new drivers, and outdated

[lone sparrow]

vibe

[mellow sonnet]

upscaling in like dlss

genuinely who uses fsr on an nvidia card

[ivory mountain]

idk whats more annoying 1080ti users or linux glazers

[clear canyon]

a linux user with a 1080ti

[ivory mountain]

yikes

[gritty panther]

linux users are the vegans of the PC world 😄

[clear canyon]

lol

[mellow sonnet]

and one that uses a 3000 series ryzen because they are am5phobic or modernityphobic

[clear canyon]

I tried "vegan chicken" recently and it tasted like chicken flavored ramon noodles and it has the consistency of corn bread

[mellow sonnet]

slandering every pc user

[azure topaz]

the 2080ti was 1200$+ on launch and had terrible support (for rt) in almost every title when it came out, this just wrong

[clear canyon]

I still have a 3600 and its still good

its nothing fancy but it still works

[gritty panther]

I was a day 1 2080 Ti owner. it was a good gpu

gave it to my little nephew it was only worth $250 lol

[azure topaz]

it was a good gpu, was it 1200$ good?

[mellow sonnet]

doesnt rt actually suck on 20 series

[clear canyon]

yes

[azure topaz]

yes

[gritty panther]

gamed the hell out of my 8700k and 2080 ti PC so id say yes

[mellow sonnet]

if i remember the only real game that supported rt was bedrock

[clear canyon]

i skipped 20 series and went to 30 series

[gritty panther]

I upgraded from 2080 Ti to 4090. my 4090 aged a lot gracefully

[mellow sonnet]

and then all those rtx jokes and memes came from

[gritty panther]

it's been 3+ years. it's still #2 and overpriced on ebay

[azure topaz]

well it went from the fastest gpu to... the 2nd fastest gpu

[clear canyon]

I went from the following:

rx 580
to
3060 12gig
to 4070ti (traded for 3090 when I got 4080)
to
4080

[mellow sonnet]

im pretty fine with my behemoth

[azure topaz]

does it not make sense the 2nd fastest gpu out is the 2nd most expensive lol

[gritty panther]

I bought my 4090 for like $1500

it's $2500 on ebay 3+ years later

this market is fucked and you can tell lol

[azure topaz]

your perspective on the 4090 as if it has aged significantly and is still not one of the fastest video cards in the consumer spectrum is interesting

[rose stream]

I don't quite see it. Either that or I have no idea how to fit that context into the differences between Linux, BSD, Mac OS, and Windows.

[clear canyon]

its coming up to being 4 years old tbh

came out in Oct 2022

[azure topaz]

yeah and we've had a whole 1 generation past it so far. what is mogging it rn besides the 4000$ 5090 lmao

[mellow sonnet]

dude my gpu costed me 1200 euros and now its worth 1400-2000 because of how shit this market is now

[teal sinew]

im glad that i skipped the 4090 because i got to start with DLSS 4 and properly functioning DSC on 50 series

[azure topaz]

it has an age to it yes but saying that like its also not still the 2nd newest gen and 2nd fastest card period is a little weird

[clear canyon]

im happy with my 4080 lmao

[azure topaz]

explain the last one

[azure topaz]

my 5070ti is fine, i need fastest cpu to do anything more with it anyways

the games i want more fps in im cpu limited

[clear canyon]

5070ti is basically a 4080

[azure topaz]

the games i have good fps in im gpu limited and already at 400+ fps

[clear canyon]

yeah lol

my 7800x3d is doing great aswell

[teal sinew]

the display engines in nvidia cards before the 50 series have an aneurysm if youre using monitor(s) that require display stream compression

[azure topaz]

interesting

happy i have a 50 series then

[mellow sonnet]

intels type of company to turn 253 watts into 270

[teal sinew]

you get 5 second black screens when tabbing out of exclusive fullscreen programs, and you cant use DLDSR

[azure topaz]

ohhh interesting

[gritty panther]

I only have 3440x1440 240hz. unaffected

[mellow sonnet]

i had that problem when i used a monitor with dsc

[azure topaz]

yeah so far i havent had really any issues with my drivers besides the common ones like hw acel being fucky

[teal sinew]

unfortunately hwaccel bugginess especially in chromium programs is just a windows 24h2+ problem

[gritty panther]

on paper my PC should be a fireball

9950x3D + asrock board
4090 with 12vhpwr. In reality it's been very stable. I dont even remember a bsod lol

[azure topaz]

Seems to be gone for me now as of a couple weeks ago

Present on my arc card of all things lol

[teal sinew]

ive had a lot less of an issue with it on fully updated 25h2 as opposed to the last time that i tried 24h2 ltsc

i do still get occasional flickering or stuttering

but it's manageable

[rose stream]

And mine should've been a bottleneck. Lol.

[azure topaz]

I’d like to move to a different OS (version) but idk what so far

Everything seems to have weird lil quarks

So I just use normal windows and debloat / change to my liking usually

[gritty panther]

i dont bother with debloating

I have 9950x3d and 96gb ram. it'll be fine.

[teal sinew]

windows 11 23h2 with the branch prediction update backported gives you max performance and no hwaccel bugginess, but it loses security updates later this year, and i think a recent security update broke hibernate on it

[azure topaz]

i have a fast computer and thats not my point

i like my computer to be usable in a very specific way all the time

[clear canyon]

I have the worlds best pc

[gritty panther]

just vanilla windows with all the services for me. I actually like using Onedrive lol

[azure topaz]

random ms telementary, onedrive, etc all get in the way of how i like to use my computer in one way or another, so they get removed

[rose stream]

I have OneDrive disabled on my system.

[clear canyon]

They bug me too much and I dont have actual internet so I cant use it

[gritty panther]

I've been paying for onedrive for years.

[azure topaz]

not really about fast or slow here

[clear canyon]

I have 1 drive deleted

[rose stream]

Then again, I have multiple disabled because I don't rely on most of them anyway.

[clear canyon]

im all speed baby

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/桐生戦兎-仮面ライダービルド-kamen-rider-build-kiryu-sento-sento-kiryu-gif-11157174352445916018

[teal sinew]

i installed w11 pro 25h2 a couple of weeks ago and this has been my first time trying non-pos/ltsc windows since 8.1

it took a few minutes to remove the malarkey but it's fine after that

[clear canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/redar-how-could-you-say-that-sad-how-man-gif-5596391966998442419

[azure topaz]

thats what im on, seems totally fine

[rose stream]

https://tenor.com/view/kazumi-sawatari-kamen-rider-grease-kazumin-dakimakura-miitan-gif-18348527

[clear canyon]

iv never gotten into anime body pillows lmao

[rose stream]

Of course whoever made all the gifs from Build chose some of the most out of context scenes.

Which is hilarious.

[teal sinew]

it's been the best windows 11 experience that ive had so far

[azure topaz]

works like a computer to me

sometimes

[rose stream]

The irony is his body pillow is not an anime in actuality. Lol.

[azure topaz]

i dont think ive had any strange issues so far on this update but i think not that long ago i did complain

[clear canyon]

yeah its an asian woman

[azure topaz]

i figured out how me and all my homies can play bo3 together safely without everyone having to buy the game or download it sketchily lets gooo

[rose stream]

Who is literally one of the supporting case characters in the same show too.

[teal sinew]

there is the occasional stuttering and vrr flickering in chrome, especially if i have a windowed game ontop of it, but it's a lot prettier than windows 10, and it performs better too so im fine it

[azure topaz]

game is so far gone on pc i dont care if i pirate it anyways but piracy is scary from a security stand point

[teal sinew]

all of my best benchmark scores were achieved in windows 11 24h2+ (both games and synthetic)

[azure topaz]

i just cant tolerate vrr

[rose stream]

||Whom he has a penchant for pissing off unintentionally. Lmao.||

[buoyant bridge]

why does illustrator still have the OG ipad pro in it

[teal sinew]

that's fair enough it's kinda pointless on a 360Hz 27" panel anyway

[buoyant bridge]

LMFAO WHAT

[azure topaz]

its gross in windows, in games i use it though ill say

[buoyant bridge]

illustator 2026 STILL has the old imac 27 (but not the 2014+)

[azure topaz]

windows it makes everything feel much more sluggish and blegh

[teal sinew]

im on a humongous 144Hz panel so screen tearing is still annoying and framegen is suboptimal

[azure topaz]

yeah fair

[rose stream]

||Still can't believe he even managed to finally win her heart in the end though. Kazumi's such a dumbass with almost no self control around Misora, it's unreal.||

[teal sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-cat-funny-pirate-cat-copyright-gif-4934137659474778795

[azure topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-cat-funny-pirate-cat-copyright-gif-4934137659474778795

[sinful cobalt]

kazumi if there was an award for being badass for like 2 episodes and being benched:

[azure topaz]

indoubitably}

[azure topaz]

meow

[gritty panther]

im actually using an ipad a16 as a third monitor

it's fun having touchscreen on windows lol

[azure topaz]

sidecar or whatever its called i forgot

seems neat. and yeah i agree, touch screen is a thing i like that i thought i wouldnt

[gritty panther]

i'm using a freeapp called spacedesk. I was surprised how low latency it felt even with just wifi6. decided to use it lol

[azure topaz]

ah nice

idk what i used, but there was a similar thing i used for android and my aida sensor panel way far back

[buoyant bridge]

on macs you dont even need an app for that

apple has it built in its called side car

also the OG 12.9 is too old for that app AND for sidecar

[gritty panther]

yep but I've never used a mac in my life. my only apple device is an ipad.

[buoyant bridge]

the 12.9 is over a decade old btw

[buoyant bridge]

I actually still use a pro 12.9 (2015)

they're suprisingly usable (if jailbroken)

[gritty panther]

I have an ipad under my monitor. I use it for steam, youtube music, discord etc. it's fun lol

[rose stream]

He IS overall badass, so much so that his only true equal is Gentoku who is outright just mental.

[teal sinew]

is that the mythical power modded 1080?

[azure topaz]

yeah

[gritty panther]

I used to have that gpu years ago

[buoyant bridge]

I just have 2 monitors

[teal sinew]

pascal strix cards looked nice

[gritty panther]

me too. ipad is third "monitor"

[azure topaz]

1080 Strix Advanced OC or something

[sinful cobalt]

i mean tbh end of series they are indeed equal but prime rogue has defenses on par with genius

[azure topaz]

advanced matters

[buoyant bridge]

I can just display a ton of stuff on the top monitor as needed

[azure topaz]

cant flash xoc bios on cards that arent advanced, means diff die revision

[buoyant bridge]

it's a 5K 27" so

[gritty panther]

cool monitor

[buoyant bridge]

why is 5K 27 mindblowing

it litterally makes more sense than 4K 27

[teal sinew]

it was only available in $1000 60Hz monitors until this year so most people have never looked at it

[buoyant bridge]

bullshit?

[teal sinew]

im excited about the growth of 27" 5K and 32" 6K gaming monitors starting this year

[rose stream]

Well it's not even about the power class really, it's their personalities.
When it all comes down it, most of the riders and supporting cast have something fairly major to them, even the villains. Thus the only true weak link (and is well acknowledged at times) is literally just Banjou being caught in the middle as their resident idiot. Lmao.

[buoyant bridge]

the Dell UP2715K started out at $699 when it was new in 2015

the Planar whatever it was called was $899 in 2019

the HP Z27x5K was $799 in 2016

the iMac 5K was $1299 for a whole computer

[teal sinew]

$699 in 2016 money is $960 today :p but i understand your point

the reality is that most people have never seen it

[buoyant bridge]

honestly the Dell UP2715K just sold poorly because it wont work with geforce cards

you can't do 5K on it even with a 4090

if you wanna use it on novideo you gotta buy a quadro or settle for not running at full res

the Z27x does it too and its also a huge part of why no iMac 5K shipped with a nvidia GPU

[gritty panther]

I said cool not mindblowing lol. personally I dont really care for 5k 27"

[teal sinew]

just buy a newer monitor that doesnt have a silly limitation 🙏

[gritty panther]

I want 4k ultrawide as my next monitor tho

[buoyant bridge]

does anyone make a 5K 27" 10 bit monitor with DP in yet

except Asus I know they do but its also $6K

[lone sparrow]

So in short its basically a CPU bottleneck

[sinful cobalt]

give him a banana and banjou dosnt need any transformation to fold evolution evol

[buoyant bridge]

the LG UF5K is 10 bit but its thunderbolt 4 only

the reason the UP2715K has its silly limitations on nvidia cards has to do with color and bandwith

even if it was DP 1.4 you'd still never have enough bandwith to run that panel at full spec with a single link

[sinful cobalt]

as good as the pixels sound I dont think i can go below 240hz man

[teal sinew]

Asus recently launched a 27" 5K 180Hz 10bit (8+frc) nano ips monitor called the XG27JCG

[gritty panther]

OLED for me

[buoyant bridge]

might look into it if I buy another 5K monitor for some reason

I paid $800 for 4 UP2715Ks awhile back and they all still work so

[gritty panther]

3440x1440 240hz OLED is pretty decent. I want to go to 4K ultrawide with the 6090. hopefully that isn't $5000 when it comes out sigh

[sinful cobalt]

Oh- I only strictly mean OLED panels, 5/6K are in theory

[buoyant bridge]

5K2K or is there another 4K ultrawide res now?

[sinful cobalt]

theres 5k 165hz oled panel but I dont wanna go back to 165

[teal sinew]

Kuycon sells 5K and 6K monitors with aluminum bodies, and laminated glossy glass screens like Apple, but with real I/O and PC support for a lower price

[gritty panther]

5120 x 2160 165hz

it's 4k but ultrawide

[buoyant bridge]

thats called 5K2K

[teal sinew]

understandable

[buoyant bridge]

because they're the same panels lol

its LM270QQ2 and I forgot what the 6K one but its the same one in the pro display

[teal sinew]

we already have 5K 180Hz right now so 5K 240Hz shouldnt be far off, maybe 2027

[gritty panther]

4K UW that's it.

[buoyant bridge]

every mfg calls that 5K

[gritty panther]

that's confusing

[buoyant bridge]

I have a 5120x2160 panel for my ultrawide the box said 5K

[buoyant bridge]

how? its 5K in the same respect 5120x2880 is

[teal sinew]

we're also seeing monitors with 3x and 3.875x refresh rate dualmode features now so there could theoretically be a 5120x2880p 180Hz and 2560x1440p 540Hz monitor if a company wanted to make it

[gritty panther]

because it's 4K ultrawide

21:9

calling it 5k is kinda dumb imo.

[azure topaz]

bottleneck no not really but if youwant more performance your cpu is currently the limiter yes

[buoyant bridge]

resolutions that are measured in thousand pixels standard are always the first number
ones that are measured to the thousands are the second number

[azure topaz]

bottleneck implies youre losing a serious amount of performance

[lone sparrow]

kk

[buoyant bridge]

IE 5120x2160 and 5120x2880 = 5K
3840x2160 = 4K (most confusing one cus its rounded)
and 2560x1440 = 1440P

[teal sinew]

i refer to it as both 5K2K and 5120x2880p depending on my mood

i don't call it 5K ultrawide though because i would assume you meant 2880p vertical

[buoyant bridge]

5K2K is the actual name for 5120x2160 in vesa spec iirc

[teal sinew]

which would be 6880x2880p

[buoyant bridge]

and 5k3k is 5120x2880 in vesa I know that for a fact

yeah the offical name is 5k2k or WUHD

[gritty panther]

my brain said 2880 but I typed it wrong my bad

[buoyant bridge]

ment 2160 anyways

[gritty panther]

I'm still on 3440x1440. I'll deal with it when I get a new monitor

[buoyant bridge]

theres no actual vesa spec for just 5K

[gritty panther]

hopefully PC gaming still exist in 2 or 3 years

[buoyant bridge]

its 5K2K and 5K3K

[teal sinew]

K nomenclature is silly and gets misused by companies, reviewers, and consumers all the time

so many companies and other people refer to 2560x1440p as 2K when it's actually 2.5K

[gritty panther]

if the 6090 is $5000 it's over 😄

[buoyant bridge]

usually you'll find a vesa label with the offcial name somewhere

LG (and dell) uses the VESA name in spec sheets but a shortened name in names and on products

[sinful cobalt]

theres no way they’ll make a x2.5 jump for a single gen lol

[lone sparrow]

I just want better 1% lows 😂 but worst comes to worse i could always swap to AMD

[sinful cobalt]

the only 5k you’ll see are the beefiest cooling aib cards

[buoyant bridge]

and itll still never run a monitor from 2015 at full res

[sinful cobalt]

also its rare to see michael here

[azure topaz]

try ram overclocking