tech-chat-1

[elder yacht]

Money 📉

[rigid fjord]

try increasing your edc and tdc with what the guide suggests

[snow wedge]

if you're getting a stable fps you like playing currently than an oled monitor will for sure feel like a bigger difference

[elder yacht]

It's just comp titles like rust and CS2, and some games with too many npcs that are bottlenecked.

[abstract siren]

Hmm... okay, what really wonders me is, that i'm not getting higher than 3.4ghz even on single core benchmarks... so i don't think that it is a power related problem.

[snow wedge]

bottlenecked but are they still at framerate you can live with?

[elder yacht]

Yeah, rust is really CPU heavy, (like 50% gpu usage on some servers) but I still get 60 FPS.

[snow wedge]

than yah id go with the monitor

if things that you wanted to play felt unplayable/upsetting than upgrade the cpu

but ur not changing from like 1440p to 4k

[snow wedge]

so the cpu strain should be similar

[whole field]

have any of you guys ever heard of an ssd brand called fikwot

[elder yacht]

A bit more due to 3440x1440p to 2560x1440 but yeah

[snow wedge]

I mean it the opposite way anyways lol

but yeah its still 1440p to 1440p

[untold trellis]

What would be better 16gb ram at 3200hz or 32gb at 2666hz

[snow wedge]

ddr3 ram

[formal sonnet]

Yes, they're one of a few hundred no-name brands I do not recommend anyone purchase, ever, for any reason.

[untold trellis]

It’s ddr4

[elder yacht]

Yeah, my friend bought a 1tb fikwot ssd I think

[snow wedge]

ddr4 2666hz in 2025 is crazy

[elder yacht]

Thx

[untold trellis]

No it’s because I have 2x8gb 3200hz and 2x8gb 2666hz dk if it’s worth using the slower ram as well just for the extra ram

[snow wedge]

do not mix ram kits like that

[untold trellis]

Why

[elder yacht]

Ddr4 is crazy in rammageddon, get ddr3 lmao

[untold trellis]

It says if I set the speed to the slower one it’s fine

[snow wedge]

true

[whole field]

yeah i tried looking some stuff up about their drives because a coworkers son bought one for his pc and is wondering why its not showing up in his drive list so i figured it'd be some poor quality stuff

[elder yacht]

DDR 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 adapter tower

[snow wedge]

@elder yacht I mean im cpu bound still with a 9800x3d so

10 year old game btw fml

[elder yacht]

Battlefield 6?

Also W 5090

[snow wedge]

tarkov

[elder yacht]

Oh lol

Is that game that cpu intensive??

[snow wedge]

its weird because othertimes

its maxed out gpu

but thats when visiting traders or small maps

its prob cause im on pve too tbh

so im running all the ai locally

[elder yacht]

50/50 chance, either 100% cpu or gpu

[snow wedge]

yeah I prob should overclock my 9800x3d

[cerulean loom]

Thank ya, I think that’s so dumb how you have to have a 11th gen chip to use one of them

[snow wedge]

it tops out more than the gpu

I dont even have to run games with dlss

[elder yacht]

T H R E A D R I P P E R

[snow wedge]

nah

need single core performance

maxed at 40% cpu usage

[formal elm]

for gaming?

[elder yacht]

T'was a joke

[formal elm]

unless you playing city skylines or factorio that would surely perform worse no?

[formal elm]

ah

[snow wedge]

I have a lot of thermal overhead so I can prob get like 10 fps or so from a nice overclock

[formal elm]

im gonna test out cachyos and finally make the switch to linux gaming (from windows 11)

[elder yacht]

Yeah, but cities skylines will still be cpu bottlenecked in 20 years

[formal elm]

shouldnt be missing out on much from what i can tell

[formal elm]

yeah true

[elder yacht]

My 5080 stays at 60C but never wants to pull the 450W it's got access to

[formal elm]

ill keep gta online and fortnite on a separate drive with windows but everything else should run on linux through proton so ill be interested to see how well it runs

[steel umbra]

at full speed

[cerulean loom]

Wait so I can?

[snow wedge]

im talking about the CPU my 5090 even at like 550w only hit like 60c

more worried about power connector at that point

[elder yacht]

I love being poor in everything but my pc (my desk is literally my family's 20 year old dinner table

[elder yacht]

Yeah lmao, but at 550w it's only drawing 475 from the 12vhpwr

[steel umbra]

yes

[cerulean loom]

So would it be a bad idea to put the drive I’m going to boot off of there?

[steel umbra]

you set that in bios (the order)

[snow wedge]

yah but still nerve wracking with a 2k card lmafo

[elder yacht]

It's 2:36 am should I sleep?

[cerulean loom]

Alrighty I was worried about loosing all my crap lmao

[snow wedge]

sleep is for the weak fr

[elder yacht]

It doesn't matter if it breaks remember "the more you buy the more you save"

[steel umbra]

no!!! i lie it all goin to explode and turn thermonuclear ultra999x

[quick stag]

pcbway is wild for randomly finding my GitHub repo I had for a cs class and then decided to give me 130 bucks worth of prints for me to just say thanks in the readme

Im not even popular

[elder yacht]

I need sleep to install my vertical mount tmrw or today ig lmao

[snow wedge]

it sucks amd gpus suck at the high end

[cerulean loom]

Lmao

[snow wedge]

the 7900 xtx pmo so bad

could barely play anything at 4k

[elder yacht]

Wish the 9080 XT existed, would have bought it over the 5080

[snow wedge]

duopoly market sadly

[formal elm]

my 7900 gre is great and i play games in 4k lol

[rigid fjord]

try it and see

[elder yacht]

Also I calculated once, I'd need 300k$ worth of hamsters to run my pc nonstop

[abstract siren]

👍

[elder yacht]

Are you German?

[abstract siren]

Yes I am, you too?

[snow wedge]

on like low settings barely passing 60fps

[elder yacht]

I'm Swiss lol

[abstract siren]

Ah, nice!

[formal elm]

it runs cyberpunk well at 4k high

[snow wedge]

couldnt even pass 50fps on modded skyrim

[snow wedge]

yeah with no ray tracing or anything

[formal elm]

why would i be using ray tracing on a 7000 series amd card lol

[snow wedge]

different strokes ig

[abstract siren]

You like climbing?

[snow wedge]

thats the point Im not anymore lmafo

[elder yacht]

Do you play CP2077 on your 5090?

[snow wedge]

havent tried it yet

[elder yacht]

Yeah I do

[formal elm]

ray tracing so overrated imo anyway i cant even tell the difference and i halve my fps

[snow wedge]

biggest reason I swapped was stalker 2 which doesnt have ray tracing either

[abstract siren]

Nice, me too! How random!

[snow wedge]

I can understand thinking its overrated and not worth the performance drop

but u can obv see the difference lmafo

[elder yacht]

I get 80fps on CP2077 Psycho RT + Dlss quality

[formal elm]

only if im staring into a puddle lol

[snow wedge]

the lighting is completely different

way more than a puddle

[elder yacht]

Nice!, 2 guys who like climbing and PCs

[formal elm]

when im playing cyberpunk i dont look at puddles much im usually running around or driving a car

[snow wedge]

u can see it on characters faces

you can see it the most on cars lmafo

[abstract siren]

Jup, nur ich bin absolut am verzweifeln!

[thorny ingot]

Do the front panel and he audio cables seem in all the way?

[snow wedge]

u can literally see billboard reflections off the car

with raytracing

[elder yacht]

The rt hate is just cuz they can't run it, it looks beautiful

[snow wedge]

fr

[formal elm]

the raster is already super good in most games so its hard to notice the differences with ray tracing

[elder yacht]

Wieso bist du am verzweifeln

[formal elm]

obviously there will a be difference but i can only tell in a side-by-side comparison because to my eyes it seems pretty negligible and id prefer double the fps for smoother gameplay which has a big impact

[ivory mountain]

im ready for rdna 5 thats when ima upgrade next honestly, i wanna try out raytracing but its a slideshow on my 6900xt

[elder yacht]

*probably shouldn't talk in German due to the chance of a mod coming in here and warning or muting us @abstract siren

[snow wedge]

its not the worst thing ever but even in raster there are plenty of games like stalker 2, like monster hunter wilds without raytracing where it just falls short even though the card is near a grand

[abstract siren]

I send you a dm

[mint umbra]

with these memeory issues wonder if valve will delay steam machine release

[snow wedge]

like I dont want to spend 800$ on an xtx and have choppy barely 60fps in satisfactory lmafo

[clear canyon]

Yeah i was about to warn about that lmao, didn't want yall to get in trouble

Was finding the rule to show 😂

[clear canyon]

Thats much more of a cpu limitation there lol

[snow wedge]

nah it was gpu

[clear canyon]

How?

[snow wedge]

satisfactory 4k is hard on gpu

lumen moment

a lot of the stuff I thought were cpu problem would be GPU it was hella annoying

satisfactory still maxing out the 5090

only starts getting cpu necked when global illumination is turned off

but even here u can see a huge difference in the lighting just with lumen let alone ray tracing

@elder yacht

this is native 4k path tracing just with ray reconstruction

like the entire tower shown on the ground is crazy

[lapis fog]

I plugged my usb 3.0 header in but it made like a snap noise and it’s got a lot of play and wiggles a lot I can’t get it back out is that normal?

[snow wedge]

no ray tracing at all

[elder yacht]

Beautiful

[snow wedge]

this is ray tracing psycho no path tracing

[formal elm]

ok nah i take back what i said earlier that looks GOOD god damn

[steel umbra]

i still don’t understand why is there so much hate on scalpers/resellers and why almost entire tech-chat ganged up on me when i suggested it to someone that didn’t have enough money (ram in his regions was 65% cheaper) and then i defended it

[snow wedge]

all good

its a really subtle difference but when u see it its crazy

[formal elm]

the reflections are night and day ngl

[snow wedge]

and DLSS which still has its own problems and artifacting is so much better than FSR its not funny

[formal elm]

how is fsr 4 though ive heard good things

[snow wedge]

path tracing is an easy 60 fps with quality DLSS at 4k

which is absurd

[formal elm]

i can only use the int8 model on my gpu not the fp8 but apparently fp8 is in-between dlss 3.5 and 4

[formal elm]

i wonder if you could run it at like 90 with the foveated rendering that bigscreen are testing on something like their bigscreen beyond 2e

path traced vr cyberpunk would be sick

[empty quartz]

Meow

[snow wedge]

yeah but people hated a lot on the 5090 which some of it is defenitely valid but the things it can do are absurd lmafo

def not "fake frames"

[formal elm]

if the luke ross vr mod would have motion controls i can imagine it being the most immersive vr experience to date (prob still behind half life alyx though since that is made specifically for vr)

[formal elm]

upscaling + frame gen or just upscaling?

[snow wedge]

just upscaling

I get 120 fps with frame gen 2x on

[formal elm]

wow

that is impressive

[snow wedge]

hard to take a screenshot but can call if u wanna see lmafo

it stops frame gen whenever I alt tab for snipping tool

[formal elm]

nah its fine

im more interesting in the fps you can get with it

what is dlss upscaling from is it 1440p -> 4k

or 1080p even

[snow wedge]

1440p I believe

[formal elm]

if its dlss ‘quality’ i believe it is 1440p

[snow wedge]

the problem with DLSS is in motion picture gets kinda smeary

[formal elm]

yeah to upscale doesnt it just spam denoisers

[steel umbra]

like… scalping isn’t all cons no pros (in non-essential goods), if you argue that it’s ethically bad in terms of not adding value, there are the redistribution factors, like buying ram in country X for 100 and selling it in country Y for 250 because the demand is high there and in X it’s low, you level out the demand, though shipping does pollute as a tradeoff for the redistribution, but let’s ignore how much what costs and focus on whenever the thing you resell does make the buyer a bit happier or not for what he purchased your goods (related with lower to high pricing in country’s Y market)
just so you guys know the definition of scalping is buying with the intent to sell immediately for a quick profit, aka reselling, which retailers do all the time

[formal elm]

so it would make sense that motion looks less like native

[snow wedge]

dlss quality + path tracing

[formal elm]

im excited to see what the next generation brings

[steel umbra]

i am happy to listen to counterarguments

[formal elm]

what would be really cool is if amd got some form of cuda alternative and if nvidia had good linux drivers then there wouldnt really be any reason to choose a brand other than raw performance and price

[snow wedge]

this would be correct if scalpers were the only way people were moving products and under the assumption that they are only buying from places where demand is low and supply is high

but 99% of the time scalped items are just in high demand low supply everywhere

[steel umbra]

correct, but scalpers aren’t the only group of buying things in already low supply market, retailers for example.

retailer wants you to pay as much as possible for a product, which they do like amazon is now more like aliexpress than the opposite of aliexpress being amazon, but the amazon sellers charge 1.5-3x as much including shipping i see way too often

or amazon themselves charge too much

[snow wedge]

thats too blanket of a statement yes both scalpers and retailers are reselling but they are not the same

[copper talon]

im new to this pc stuff and for some games i open it says i need to disable my drivers. how so i go about that?

[snow wedge]

and the amazon reasoning is bad because there are 3rd party sellers on amazon you're prob looking at

[steel umbra]

it is not a blank statement, scalper is a person that buys with the intend to sell quick or at a high margin

[snow wedge]

specifically when taking advantage of a market deficiency

[steel umbra]

pretty sure everyone wants to sell quick at a high margin without deception

[steel umbra]

yes but, it’s not just resellers taking high margins

[snow wedge]

scalpers buy items at retail price and than sell above retail

retailers buy items from companys at wholesale price because bulk purchasing

[latent gull]

Words can have connotations in context though, and the connotation behind scalpers in the current market is well known

[snow wedge]

and resell at retail price msrp

there is a reason msrp is Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price

[steel umbra]

well, i explained my definition

[snow wedge]

for example graphics cards

yes some cards are more expensive than founders edition msrp

[latent gull]

What even is the argument here? I’m not following

[snow wedge]

@latent gull

[steel umbra]

that scalping is fine

[latent gull]

Oh fuck no

[steel umbra]

or reselling

[snow wedge]

its inherently a fairly scummy thing to do

scalping fucks up the market

[latent gull]

Scalping in the modern context is done with extreme margins to squeeze a shortage, which is absolutely 100% all cons

[steel umbra]

it all started because i suggested someone with little money to buy ram and take 3x profit on it by selling it to a german market

because their ram locally was cheap

[snow wedge]

that doesnt mean scalping = fine

thats just taking advantage of a situation lmafo

thats not lowering ram prices

[dapper lion]

are SSD's repairable?

[snow wedge]

the problem isnt necessarily finding ram its finding ram at a reasonable price

[dapper lion]

my 860 evo took a fall and now its freezing my pc if it's plugged in

[latent gull]

Depends, because that’s also what’s happened with currency exchange abuse, stuff like what caused the vbucks to be extremely expensive in places where it was originally cheaper due to regions pricing

[snow wedge]

5 pages of ddr5 64gb kits

you can find them they are just super high demand

[mint umbra]

what linux distro should I try

for gaming focused

and that doesnt cause issues dual booting

[steel umbra]

yeah but like… what doesn’t take advantage of anything nowadays

like what is ethical from everyone’s perspective

or minimizing unethicality

[snow wedge]

I assume you mean who but in that case it just means that its not GOOD from a utilitarian/practicality argument for the world

[steel umbra]

those could be considered as unethical as well espexially if you export whatever you exploit from nature

[snow wedge]

u can barely argue that its neutral from an individuals perspective that their action wont really do anything either way since theres so many more people doing it anyways

but that doesnt mean that the action of scalping as a whole is fine

[snow wedge]

not talking about it from climate change perspective talking about world as in the market

it has no benefits to the market it can only hurt it

[steel umbra]

exploiting nature does have consiquences on the market

[snow wedge]

at best it does nothing in which case its neutral but there is never an instance where scalping is beneficial to it

[drowsy isle]

Bought the meta quest 3s a few days and now I’m upgrading to the quest 3 . Shouldn’t have been skeptical about vr in the first placed

[snow wedge]

to an extent yes but for some of these things to even exist the exploitation of nature will happen

cars wouldnt exist if not for the exploitation of oil where an entire market segment would not exist

Exploitation of nature can hurt the market but it has also helped it

Scalping in no way helps the market

[drowsy isle]

Scalping is legal just not morally right

[steel umbra]

take item from low demand area, sell it to high demand area at a profit but slight undercut like 10%, happy seller, happy customer, if you care about no added value then you probably shouldn’t care about whenever the customer overpays aslong it brings them joy or

[snow wedge]

That's not scalping

[steel umbra]

it is

definition of scalping (as of ofxord) and mine is buying with the intend to sell instantly/quickly or at a high margin

in this instance it is quick profit

[snow wedge]

Youre just describing a redistributor

[steel umbra]

when you sell at a discount you expect to have priced something lower

[steel umbra]

a scalper yeah!

[snow wedge]

no

those are two different words for a reason lmafo

[drowsy isle]

Except no one’s going to do this, people will price their kits to the market price whether they got it for cheap or not

[steel umbra]

redistributor can but doesn’t necessarily include scalping, what i’ve described about two happy customers is still a distributor or a reseller

or scalper

[wooden adder]

I got a werid question I see a bunch of gpu's for sale with no chip or vram do yall think if i plugedd it into another slot on pc it would cause issues I just want it in a slot for display

[snow wedge]

all scalpers are resellers not all resellers are scalpers

[steel umbra]

buys with the intend to sell at quick profit

(scalper)
it can also describe a distributor or reseller

[azure topaz]

a person not operating under a business

[snow wedge]

specifically at market deficiency

[random gyro]

Sup

[steel umbra]

not necessarily

[azure topaz]

no, thats just when it makes the most money, which is when a surge of people are doing it

[snow wedge]

thats like calling amazon a scalper because they'll buy things from china and sell them in the US

[steel umbra]

what’s your definition of market deficiency?

[snow wedge]

market cannot produce enough to meet demand globally

for example GPUs

[steel umbra]

for example there are 1 million batteries selling at 1k, then there are 50k batteries selling at 800 each, you buy the 800 at 50k, there isn’t any shortage you just bought the cheapest available and resell it for the 1k each

[snow wedge]

there was nowhere that had a low demand of gpus and a high supply that people just redistributed them from

they were low supply high demand everywhere and people would buy them from the places they live and sell them in the places they got them from

[steel umbra]

retailers also do like to screw consumers by pricing gpus at +300% during the gpu crisis

why aren’t they scalpin?

[snow wedge]

microcenter didnt skew gpu prices irc

what retailers did?

[steel umbra]

markup during gpu crisis

[snow wedge]

you mean the board partner cards?

[latent gull]

so in this scenario you are removing the ethical issue of squeezing the end consumer which is forced to buy at the higher price or not have the battery at all. this is the letter of the law for scalping but is not the same context as scalping is commonly referred to as today

[snow wedge]

those were already marked up by the board partners and than sold at that marked up msrp

[steel umbra]

all of them

[snow wedge]

????

best buy didnt mark up cards beyond board partner msrp?

dont remember walmart doing that either

[latent gull]

yes they did

[steel umbra]

i meant vendors (board partners such as asus) and retailers

[latent gull]

MSRP has been a joke since 2020

[snow wedge]

are you talking from FE msrp to like rog MSRP?

[steel umbra]

not in every case

[snow wedge]

board partners are still producing their cards

while they get the gpu die and all that from nvidia

they still have to manufacture the shroud/heatsink and whatever features they put on

MSI is not just reselling a gpu

[steel umbra]

in this scenario i’m trying to tell difference between scalping and reselling, which there is basicly none

if you think about it everyone trying to sell you something is probably a scalper

[latent gull]

again, yes, by definition, they are close, however connotation and context are very important

i am agreeing with you but find your argument concerning

[snow wedge]

thats like saying a doctor and organ harvester are both helping you out by removing your bad kidney

[steel umbra]

the greed drives competition ironically

aslong there are no cartels

[steel umbra]

but they did decide to charge more at the cost of consumers

[snow wedge]

they also were not resellers you can argue they were overcharging but they werent scalping lmafo

[latent gull]

not really, its like saying that a doctor and organ harvester both remove organs. which is not incorrect, when taking away all connotation and context, which is what he is doing here

[snow wedge]

people can do bad things for different reasons

[snow wedge]

same idea tho yk

both outcomes are similar yes but the way they are done and the intention/reasoning is completely different

scalpers dont order through retailer channels and such they are competition against other customers to buy a product to purely resell it to the people they are competiting against

bestbuy is not competiting against me to buy a gpu

they are ordering through completely different channels than I have access to

[drowsy isle]

Also buying from a scalper won't give you a return period, ability to buy retail warranties, and making an rma claim won't be easy without proof of purchase.

[snow wedge]

^

they may have similar motives and similar reasonings as retailers

but their methodology is completely different

[steel umbra]

i’m asking because after getting bombarded in tc-1 & 2 i’m conflicted because to me it didn’t seem like that big of a deal, like a lot of businesses do markups so i’m surprised it didn’t end up being ignored as a common practise

[drowsy isle]

best buy can give you a 60 day grace period although I think they no longer off warranties for PC parts.

[steel umbra]

not true, up to the person’s definition

[snow wedge]

you cannot make an rma claim through a scalper lmafo

[steel umbra]

technically if you trust them, send them the item back you could

[latent gull]

sure, but squeezing people right now is going to be extremely frowned upon by anyone. its expected from corporations BUT when theres a person telling another person to do it, you can step in and tell them to not do it.

[drowsy isle]

Good luck trying to return a GPU you paid 200%+ msrp for, that scalper is long gone, probably blocked you.

[snow wedge]

scalpers dont offer extended warranties

[snow wedge]

its prob not even the GPU either its a 1080ti shroud swapped lmafo

[clear canyon]

Buy my 3090 for $10k USD :D

[snow wedge]

if you're lucky

its most likely a box of bricks

[latent gull]

only if you buy my 3070 for 9.7kUSD

[drowsy isle]

I mean at least eBay has some buyer's protection but it's not as long as a return period of 30 to 60 days would be with buying from an official retailer

[snow wedge]

yeah ebay would get too many chargebacks from people credit cards

[steel umbra]

i see it all the time, your house is probably made from bricks or concrete that has been scalped or resold at some point, may have been +5% or +50%

[snow wedge]

they would rather deal with it themselves

[swift stream]

just got me a new game with no pc

[snow wedge]

again you can call it scalped but their methodology is completely different

[latent gull]

"i see it all the time" is not a good justification for "so i am going to join in on this clearly negative thing"

[steel umbra]

that’s not the definition of a scalper, atleast for me, it is a persont hat buys with the intend to sell at an immediate profit or big margin

[snow wedge]

buying bricks from a home depot 100 miles away is not the same as someone buying all the bricks at your local home depot and trying to resell them to you outside their door at 200% the price lmafo

[drowsy isle]

You're trying to justify a largely immoral thing by public opinion, you are just arguing just to argue. No one will agree with you apart from scalpers themselves.

[snow wedge]

there are already systems in place to redistribute items where supply is high and demand is low

[steel umbra]

yeah but circumstantially would you help someone that is financially on it poor and a decent (not the best solution) that you could help with instantly is suggest someone to resell that cheap ram

[ivory mountain]

holy peak

[latent gull]

you can ignore context and connotation all you like but no one here is going to switch to using that definition. You live in a world where contexts exist and it is going to be relevant

[snow wedge]

these retailers already have systems in place to move items not being sold around you do not need scalpers to move them lmafo

[drowsy isle]

Or when nestle bottled up tap water from a resovoir I think in some african or asian country and they sold it to the native population for a huge markup lmao.

[latent gull]

did i just get double tapped mpreg?

[snow wedge]

LITERALLY

Nestle is a scalping distributor

but being one does not make you the other

they are not the same

[steel umbra]

ok then let’s just focus on resellers

[latent gull]

sure, but so long as they understand that its going to have a very negative connotation when they do it

[latent gull]

again, this is ignoring the current market, you cant just ignore that when its so relevant to the conversation. I dont disagree with you on the facts, however your sticking too close to the facts and ignoring the wider point

[drowsy isle]

And someone who also takes advantage of crisis, either a shortage, pandemic, natural disaster, etc.

[snow wedge]

scalpers are also basically doing nothing but trying to take advantage of shortages

resellers like best buy or walmart sell a thousand different things

even if u prove best buy scalped gpus they sell plenty of unscalped items as well

[latent gull]

during the gpu shortage everyone was above MSRP, hell, even until this past summer just about every model was WELL about MSRP

[swift stream]

they think im made of storage (this is mobile btw) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1432805332287094794/1453946277468438621/IMG_9343.png?ex=694f4c7d&is=694dfafd&hm=6f007bd0b86a17621d8a59032376d18e07bd4eec05790490f516aaa57d24a3ee&

[ivory mountain]

1tb is the best purchase ive made man glad i got it before storage went up

[latent gull]

i recommend this video if your unaware of how the GPU market has been for the past 5 years :P https://youtu.be/SPE95_RnL_Q?si=brY7y7JRm883hZu_

[steel umbra]

is it a negative only though if it has brought wealth to many countries

[drowsy isle]

I'm set on storage, I bought 4tb sn850xs from a shady dude on marketplace for $140 lmao and they still work perfectly

[swift stream]

i have 128gb on 16 plus for causal games but I use two different phones (13 pro for professional games+ benchmarking)

[snow wedge]

I know to an extent I just dont remember best buy going much higher than board partners MSRP which I know were higher than nvidia but like I dont remember best buy selling the 5090 FE at like 3k USD

[latent gull]

taking advantage of a shortage to resell products at a 100+% multiplier to squeeze desperate consumers? yes, this will ALWAYS be a negative thing.

[steel umbra]

any multiplier ranging from 1%-99999%

[swift stream]

rebuilding my computer with new mobo and psu soon, wish luck

[latent gull]

5090 was WELL after the majority of the shortages, and is at the highest end of the niche which means its not whats going to be affected by the mainstream prices

[ivory mountain]

good luck hope all goes well

[latent gull]

no, a normal markup is okay, thats how business works

normal markup =/= shortage scalping markup

[steel umbra]

my definition of scalping is the same as reselling, that’s why i said to ignore the word scalping whenever i mention it and just consider the word as if it was reselling

[snow wedge]

best buy sold the FE 5090 more than this?

[white sphinx]

Above ~50% on top its scalping imo

[steel umbra]

yes but the line gets blurry

[latent gull]

but thats just ignoring the context which we cannot do in good faith when this is the reality were in

[swift stream]

asus really likes to take their time ig

[latent gull]

depends, why is it getting marked up. is it actually a hard to find thing, is it actually a good acquisition service, is there a lot of time/effort, theres not really a hard cap on anything like that

[drowsy isle]

It was always at $1999 lmao

[steel umbra]

you gave the context, i agree with your version of scalping i said to ignorr my version

[snow wedge]

yeah board cards were always more expensive

[latent gull]

please refer to previous message where i explicitly stated the reasons why the 5090 is a bad example

[snow wedge]

but thats nothing the resellers can change about

[drowsy isle]

in the gamernexus videos complaining about msrp being broken, most of those cards were high end aibs and not founders/msrp cards too.

A lot of those msrp cards were shown at msrp.

[fallow yacht]

sup nerds

[snow wedge]

yeah thats my point

those cards being that high is bad but the resellers best buy cannot change those prices

they buy them marked up too

[white sphinx]

Yeah ofc, but regardless, unless its vintage, limited edition, or genuinely hard to find i find it scummy to charge 50%+ extra.

[snow wedge]

they were marked up at every step of their production

[latent gull]

also best buy did lock cards behind their annual subscription for a while

same with playstations

[snow wedge]

that was to try and counter scalping lmafo

[snow wedge]

or the 5070 did best buy ever sell the 5070 FE for more than this?

[latent gull]

mhmmm.... im sure the people making money from scalping really care about that 200$ extra charge

[snow wedge]

they did the subscription so its easier to track when someones made a purchase

[latent gull]

very definitely so

[plain cypress]

FE? Naw

[snow wedge]

thats not best buy scalping than

if AIB prices are above msrp thats not best buy scalping

thats AIB prices being more than nvidias

[formal sonnet]

If this was "Ships and Sold by Amazon" then it's not ASUS you're waiting on...

[drowsy isle]

best buy also has a marketplace where 3rd party retailers can sell a gpu at jacked up prices

[snow wedge]

^

same thing with amazon and walmart

[steel umbra]

anyways what i meant in essence is a feature of free trade, if a party sells something overpriced or resellers at a scalpin high markup competition tends to appear
i always disagreed with scalping food, healthcare, aka essentials for staying alive
i suggested scalping to someone because they had no money and it was a decently quick way i could suggest to them based on their situation, i wanted them to afford a decent pc

[snow wedge]

heres a 5080 being sold by best buy vs 2 other 3rd party companies

[swift stream]

"two day delivery" yeh, it also hasn't gone past the ordered process 😔

[drowsy isle]

That's why when it comes to larger pc parts I just get them at microcenter lmao

[latent gull]

but was it ever avaliable at the price?

[snow wedge]

its available at the asus tuf 5080 msrp yes

[latent gull]

not that, the other one

[drowsy isle]

It was, I knew people who got the 5070 from best buy for $549

[swift stream]

scared my cpu will be faulty and will not be able to post

but its am5

[snow wedge]

probably but people scalped it lmafo

[latent gull]

so, effectively, the msrp doesnt matter, if you cant find it, and its being scalped

[snow wedge]

its matters when u wanna consider best buy a scalper

when they are only selling it at AIB and Nvidia MSRPs

[drowsy isle]

Oh then you can cancel and get your refund immediately

[latent gull]

i do consider the 200$ upcharge a form of scalping, when theres no other alternative, yes

[drowsy isle]

if it hasn't been shipped yet, it's probably due to the high volume of sales

[snow wedge]

asus themselves made the cards MSRP more than the FE

you can say its overcharged

[latent gull]

no, i mean the 200$ annual subscription for the chance to buy one

[drowsy isle]

It's the gpu manufacturers doing that

[snow wedge]

thats a bit different but I understand the problems with it

that was them giving priority to their more dedicated consumer base

which is a different arguement than scalping

[latent gull]

its a 200$ upcharge with no alternative, its in the same essence of scalping. you can say at least theres other benefits as well but it is, in essence, a 200$ upcharge you wouldnt have otherwise paid

[snow wedge]

its not the same essence, I still agree its wrong but the context was completely different

[drowsy isle]

Wasn't there best buy plus for $50

[latent gull]

thats a might optimistic view of it

[snow wedge]

thats the only view of it lmao

[latent gull]

AFAIK the one to get the GPU and PS5 orders was 200$

[latent gull]

then your blind, because i very obviously have a different view of it. whether you agree or not, yours is never the "only view"

[snow wedge]

Its not that my view is the only view its that thinking of it as best buy trying to scalp people out of an extra 200$ being an actual business idea is laughable

[blazing burrow]

Chat I need help choosing a laptop, I’ll be starting dual enrollment next year so I need an unaffiliated computer (so my school laptop is disqualified), It needs to be durable (preferably MIL-STD 810 certified), GPU should (preferably) be right around equivalent to desktop 3060 ti, Id also like to have a touch screen but its not a necessity. I’ll be lugging it around at debate competitions, math competitions. I’ll just be playing games like Minecraft, Anno 1800, halo, Fortnite, Elden ring, Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2.

[snow wedge]

thats like considering best buy having membership only sales as scalping or a scam because you can only get that price if you pay their membership

best buy consistently provides better service to people with their memberships like their total techpackages and warranties

[latent gull]

you find it laughable a business would charge 200$ for an increased chance to get something when the alternative is to pay an extra 500-1000$? so many people would take that deal

[steel umbra]

would you take 1 million for free? without anyone’s 1 million disappearing, you just increase inflation

[snow wedge]

again the intention wasnt to get more people to join their subscription because you werent garunteed being able to even buy it

they just gave priority treatment to subscribers which again you can argue is bad but thats not scalping

[steel umbra]

without legal consiquences as well, legit money appearing out of thin air

would you or not?

[snow wedge]

you might as well call costco scalpers too cause you need a costco membership

[latent gull]

1mil would not increase inflation by a meaningful amount, so yeah

[latent gull]

very optimistic view

[snow wedge]

is this costco scalping?

cant buy a ps5 from them unless you pay for costco membership

[steel umbra]

well, you pointed out the before that everyone doing the evil doesn’t make it right

if everyone would press the button 1 million for free

well you get the poin

[latent gull]

but this isnt morally evil imo, no one is losing. if everyone gets the 1mil then nothing is lost. if only i get the 1mil, then inflation isnt meaningly affected

[snow wedge]

the 1 mill wouldnt impact inflation at all until you actually spent it therefore nothing happens by taking it

you can take it and literally burn it

[latent gull]

you cant buy anything from cotsco unless you pay for a membership though

thats not scalping, thats how cotsco works

[snow wedge]

and there are certain deals you cant buy from best buy unless you pay for a membership too

[latent gull]

thats paywalling

[steel umbra]

yes but this is the same morally gray area as scalping or reselling

[snow wedge]

yeah which isnt scalping

[steel umbra]

even if it’s not much

[snow wedge]

Ill agree paywalling is bad too lmafo its just not scalping

[latent gull]

when its an additional paywall to increase profits from an already squeezed margin during a shortage, yeah, i would consider that scalping

[steel umbra]

you added no value to the world by claiming 1 million for free and adding inflation

[snow wedge]

so this was costco scalping? @latent gull

[steel umbra]

just like when you resell something at any markup

[latent gull]

again, the inflation of the 1mil is not meaningful

[steel umbra]

.

[snow wedge]

the 1 mill is different from scalping at a markup because someone is losing the game when you do that taking the 1 mill doesnt make anyone lose

[rugged flame]

Can anyone help me out here? My wife bought me a nzxt case put it all together, connected the stock fan to the motherboard but it won’t light up, I plugged it into my jrainbow port(3 pin) but it doesn’t do anything. fans runs but the rgb won’t light up

[snow wedge]

and just because they are happy they lost doesnt mean they still didnt lose

you can be happy you only lost 1 foot instead of both feet

that doesnt mean losing 1 foot = good

[steel umbra]

individual is losing vs the whole world or region is losing a lil (but still the same amount)
you gain

[latent gull]

no. thats. just. how. cotsco. works. they. didnt. add. an. additonal. fee. after. it. was. in. a. shortage. i feel like thats not a hard concept. best buy took it from NOT being behind a paywall. and then saw it was in a shortage, and put it behind a paywall to drive people to pay for the paywall. cotsco. just sells memberships, thats what they do, thats what theyve always done. they did not change anything to benefit from the shortage, they just continued doing what they were already doing

[snow wedge]

You could never buy it without the membership though so it was always behind the paywall

Bestbuy makes their money off selling extended warranties and subscriptions too

[latent gull]

except they didnt do that

they decided to make more money upfront by selling the subscription instead

they CHANGED the deal after the shortage

thats the important part

[midnight wind]

Depends on if the Treasury knows about it

[snow wedge]

So if costco stops selling memberships than they are scalping?

[latent gull]

1mil would be such a fucking rounding error to the US treasury it would not matter in the slightest

[midnight wind]

what is even happening

[latent gull]

what argument are you making

[snow wedge]

Like 3 different arguments at once

[snow wedge]

That retailers didn't scalp they paywalled and were scummy in other ways but they didn't scalp

[latent gull]

why are you so die hard on defending multi billion dollar business who, as you just admitted, paywalled and commited scummy practices DURING A SHORTAGE

[snow wedge]

Both me and polar are arguing against kvetinky but we have different reasoning and are arguing against eachother too @steel umbra

[latent gull]

multiple times

[steel umbra]

so let’s say you buy 100k plushies for 1 each, depleting the whole supply, you sell them at 1.1m thus 1million profit, there are no consiquences such as pollution by your action or it’s minimal but market reacts still such as inflation, is it worse than pressing that 1 million free button

[snow wedge]

Im not defending them but I dont like saying someone's doing the wrong bad thing

[latent gull]

remember, best buy did not ONLY do this once, but has done it multiple times, with multiple pieces of hardware

[latent gull]

no, your absolutely defending them

[snow wedge]

Like I've said I disagree with them doing it lmao

I've said 10 times I disagree with them doing it and that its bad lmao

Just that what they did isn't scalping and it lessens actual criticism you can have towards them

[latent gull]

this is an awful optimistic view of a company that your disagreeing with

[snow wedge]

Before I said that btw

[swift stream]

i'll just wait it out, amazon usually goes fast once its past the shipping and factory process

[vale lotus]

Are there usually a lot of laptop sales in the beginning of the year

[snow wedge]

Pay walling = bad but pay walling =/= scalping

[latent gull]

your stating that their actions are for one reason as opposed to the option i gave, which is a defense

one way or another best buy is scummy company

[snow wedge]

Best buy makes negligent return from selling goods

They make money by selling the extras

Paywalling they upsell warranty packages tech support memberships

Bestbuy sells their products for the exact same as asus themselves

[steel umbra]

uhhh, i think it’s actually hard to name non-scummy companies or entities

[midnight wind]

Maybe, but really you just have to keep a close eye on it to be sure

[steel umbra]

expect for like charities (until the insiders steal money)

[vale lotus]

😔

[snow wedge]

Yes lol

[latent gull]

once again, that is not a good justification for putting their most sought after items behind a paywall AFTER the shortage has started. this is going more circular than a ferris wheel. this is my stop.

[snow wedge]

Im not justifying them putting behind it Im saying its not scalping

Lmafo you keep thinking im agreeing with best buy doing it

[steel umbra]

reselling with high markups

both are what you think morally gray

on the same level

different nametags

[stark kiln]

I had a dream where I got a pc with i5 7500 and GTX 1060. Good to say it was somewhat right as my PC had i5 7500 but a GTX 1660S

[snow wedge]

I dont think paywalling is as bad as scalping

[steel umbra]

or whatever you believe it is

[vague glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/lenovo-think-pad-think-pad-lenovo-shoot-shack-hoo-hack-gif-25490053

[steel umbra]

both have the same intent of profiteering

[snow wedge]

When bestbuy pays for a gpu in their channels they are not taking a potential card a customer could get while scalpers are

You cannot get cards the same way best buy gets them

[steel umbra]

bestbuy would love you to buy their items at 999x markup

[snow wedge]

Just like you cant buy a car the same way a dealer would

[steel umbra]

now question why they are offrering these channels

[snow wedge]

Thats just how retail works idk what to tell you

[steel umbra]

A - goodwill
B - to bring more customers so more profit
C - none

[vale lotus]

Anyone seen a pretty good deal on a laptop recently?

[snow wedge]

These channels exist due to the mass logistics in production these companies go through

[steel umbra]

hi kirashi

[snow wedge]

Its the same way Ai companies are buying hardware in such insane scale its affecting us

You can argue thats bad too but its inherently different from scalping

[formal sonnet]

Yeah this was an absolute steal a few days ago.
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/refurb-io-refurbished-dell-5320-latitude-13-3-c-intel-i5-1145g7-16gb-ram-512gb-ssd-windows-11-pro-359-99-2795228/

[vale lotus]

Stealing people's money more like it

[soft depot]

Good day, I hope everyone had a merry christmas... Just a quick question that I hope isnt too dumb - I have a Radeon 7800xt and I just found a Quadro P4000 is it worth having both in my system?

[vale lotus]

It doesn't look good

[steel umbra]

what are your use cases

[plain cypress]

The sale is over, but if you remember the HP omnibook 5 for $449 we briefly discussed was pretty fire deal

with that Costco warranty

[formal sonnet]

Yee that was even better because Costco.

[snow wedge]

Don't think it would do anything in gaming but could have benefits in workstation use

[plain cypress]

Still need to unbox it. It arrived the other day but wrapped it and waited for Christmas

[soft depot]

Gaming, Internet just anything really

[analog widget]

what is a cheap laptop that can run roblox at like 60 fps for hours

[soft depot]

Id have to give up a NVME slot for it though

[vale lotus]

Any good deal of a newer laptop

[steel umbra]

if you won’t run like multimonitor setup, the quadro is prob going to be better off somewhere dust-free

[soft depot]

Oh ive got multi monitor and even a projector

[steel umbra]

what do those other monitors do (non-primary)?

[soft depot]

Ive a 165hz for gaming, a Old TV for watching YouTube whilst playing and a HP monitor in portrait for reading stuff

[steel umbra]

they’re just buying it for themselves

this is the definition i’ve been using

[soft depot]

Probably another dumb question but if I put my gaming monitor into the Quadro can I still use the 7800 for the games

[ivory mountain]

ouch

[snow wedge]

the definition hasnt been updated enough yet

[steel umbra]

scalping is basicly almost as vague as reselling is in their definition

[snow wedge]

just needs more info

[steel umbra]

it’s up to the people

it’s still atleast a sub of reselling because it involves reselling

[snow wedge]

yeah @steel umbra

all nukes are bombs not all bombs are nukes

etc etc

[pure copper]

I need a bigger desk but is this fire or what

[shy arch]

deskpad makes the wires look messier than they are

[pure copper]

theres only like 3 wires visible tho

[shy arch]

fair

also is that a thermos on ur pc??

[pure copper]

speaker

[shy arch]

phew

[pure copper]

my aunt got it for me today lmao you should see my old one 😭

[thorny ingot]

I’m on bios but idk what do now?

[pure copper]

actual brick of dollar store plastic

[vale lotus]

Does anyone know of a channel that does laptops battery tests specifically

[shy arch]

lmao

[pure copper]

enable xmp/expo and just boot

[steel umbra]

yeah but, in this case it depends on who you ask

[pure copper]

unless u wanna tweak a bunch

which isnt really necessary

and maybe make sure u have secure boot on if u play valorant or bf6

[shy arch]

js search #LaptopBatteryTest

[shy arch]

anticheat probs?

[pure copper]

yeah

[thorny ingot]

How do I boot?

[pure copper]

those games dont let u play without it on

[shy arch]

damn i never thot secure boot would have an in-app affect

[brazen ravine]

What the fuck did ssd prices go up too?

[pure copper]

u need a usb flash drive to download windows

[shy arch]

wait till u see amd cpu prices

wow

[brazen ravine]

Ive only seen stuff about ram prices i didnt know ssd prices did too

[pure copper]

cause they arent as bad

[shy arch]

man i didn't know ppl actually pay for windows

[pure copper]

they have only raised maybe 20-40 dollars

[pure copper]

what do u do then lmao

just let the watermark sit there

[shy arch]

u open cmd

[ivory mountain]

nobody pays for windows lmao

[pure copper]

idk I looked for a way around it

[steel umbra]

🏴‍☠️ 🦜 🚢 🚢

[thorny ingot]

But I put my old windows on my sata ssd which I put in can that work

[ivory mountain]

did u deadass pay 150 for windows

[pure copper]

no

[shy arch]

oops might get banned for that

[ivory mountain]

yeah u will

[brazen ravine]

Looked on amazon and a silicon power gen 3 1tb ssd is $139

[pure copper]

idk I guess I bought mine before they raised too much mine was like 80? dollars

[steel umbra]

actually if you want to be the most moral, gotta pay microsoft $150 for their license xd /s

[ivory mountain]

copped a 2tb gen 4 for $200 and theirs wd blues at walmart for $125 (not the greatest but theyre $120)

[shy arch]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-reaction-meme-funny-begging-crying-gif-11151243012681431164

[thorny ingot]

What do I do then?

[shy arch]

me waiting for the bot notif

[brazen ravine]

Worst time to have only 500gb for main storage

[ivory mountain]

cant say that here use google

[shy arch]

js search activate windows for free with cmd

[ivory mountain]

yikes

[shy arch]

only a search term

[soft depot]

Hmm maybe I will use this Quadro for my other monitors and have my gaming one run on the 7800xt

[formal sonnet]

You could use Linux if you don't want to buy a license for Windows.

[steel umbra]

arrrr 🪝

[ivory mountain]

dude can barely build a pc u think he wants to use linux? 😭

[pure copper]

exactly

[formal sonnet]

Well then buying a Windows license from an authorized seller it is.

[steel umbra]

Kirashi is trying to be responsible respecc

[ivory mountain]

stop sending that here dude

[shy arch]

following the linus path ofc

[shy arch]

mb bro

[formal sonnet]

Oh so it's a site that promotes violating #rules 9 that you and everyone agreed to when joining...

[steel umbra]

microsoft could theoretically get angy at you for le 🪝

[ivory mountain]

Let me minimod damnnnnn i alr said this 💔 💔

[shy arch]

Aight guys of course now u wanna buy the official windows license from microsoft 😄 it's quite simple if u ask me

[steel umbra]

nobody wants to face microsoft’s lawyers

[shy arch]

they ac persecute ppl for that?

[steel umbra]

not risking it, that simple

[shy arch]

Well a completely legal way of getting rid of the watermark as ur waiting for ur license order to process is changing sum stuff in regedit

To hide the watermark

[formal sonnet]

While true (about removing the watermark) this still violates the Windows EULA.

[steel umbra]

hiding the watermark i think is agaisnt microsoft’s terms

[shy arch]

ofc it does 😩

[formal sonnet]

Look, we don't have to like a piece of software's Terms / EULA, but we do have to abide by them. Or use a different piece of software if we don't like the Terms / EULA. Nobody is forced to use a specific OS.

[buoyant bridge]

Would a single molex cable have enough pins needed to make a power supply turn on?

I wanna use a molex cable between 2 PC cases to turn the second one into a disk shelf

[steel umbra]

we will not stop anyone from buying grey market stuff or hiding watermarks it’s up to the person to decide whenever breaching microsoft’s tos is fine or not which we’ll not say

[broken palm]

Fortnite speedrun

[shy arch]

What mobo u got

[broken palm]

me?

[formal sonnet]

No, but you can "jumpstart" any PSU by bridging the appropriate connections on the 24-pin power cable.
https://www.silverstonetek.com/upload/downloads/QA/PSU/PSU-Paper Clip-EN.pdf

[shy arch]

yh

[broken palm]

uhhh i just got it yesterday

[shy arch]

new build? nice

[broken palm]

nonoo replkaced

[buoyant bridge]

How many pins need to be connected between the 2 PC power supplies for them to turn on together it should just be 2 right?

[shy arch]

bruh

[drowsy isle]

You don’t have a microcenter or Best Buy nearby

[broken palm]

msi mpg x870e edge wifi something

[formal sonnet]

You don't connect pins between the Power Supplies... unless you like magic smoke and fires.

[shy arch]

Man I wish there was microcenter up here in canada

All we've got is cc and best buy

[buoyant bridge]

there's literally special cables that do exactly that

[broken palm]

i wish they would delete microcenter from near me

ive spent 15k in the last 6 months

[shy arch]

Bro what setup have u got 😭

[quaint mesa]

how bigs the difference from 5060ti to 5070ti

[buoyant bridge]

These share 2 pins with each other the rest of the cables are not

afaik how these work is 12V to PSU On

[formal sonnet]

Then just buy one of those cables I guess. All they're doing is bridging the 2 pins on the other PSU.

[shy arch]

not worth it for me if you've alr got a 5060ti

[steel umbra]

what in the nightmare is this

[quaint mesa]

i have a 3060ti but wondering abt the $300 price jump

[buoyant bridge]

It's for dual PSU cases when you need like 4 4090s or smth

I'm trying to DIY a disk shelf

[shy arch]

I spy 128 gigs of ram

where do u live

[broken palm]

charlotte nc

[shy arch]

bro i didn't expect u to ac say 😭

[broken palm]

what

i have no problem saying it

[shy arch]

Bro i was finna take all ur ram

[broken palm]

my employer already makes it known and public

[crimson cairn]

Are Microcenter CPU,RAM,MOBO bundles a good deal or are they overpriced?

[buoyant bridge]

Also do brands matter with DAC SFP cables? I know they somewhat do with transceivers but what about DAC?

[broken palm]

i got my 2x16, 2x48 for $350 and now its about 1.5k

[shy arch]

i mean a 5060 ti is a pretty solid card

[broken palm]

50/50 chance, usually good

[shy arch]

But I prefer a rlly large diff in my upgrades so i would opt for the 5070 ti

[steel umbra]

looks a bit wasteful

[broken palm]

i have my mixed kit running stable on 5800, im gonna try pushing it to 6000 tomorrow after work

[buoyant bridge]

I just wanna build a tower disk shelf and cram more hdds into an ATX case

[steel umbra]

i’m fine with that, just that connector having 2 pins when it’s supposted to have 24 is weird

and that you could diy it yourself

[buoyant bridge]

I was just showing that as an example because someone said a molex cable doesn't have enough pins to connect between the towers

[steel umbra]

and that make sure you know what you’re doing

[crimson cairn]

What are your thoughts on these chips, I kinda want to aim for a 5070 for gpu. I don't really care about intel or amd but I do want nvidia gpu. (unsure if this should go into #1106613567966429224 or not..)

[ivory mountain]

265k isnt bad at all

really solid chip

[crimson cairn]

Okay, don't want to overspend on any part that I dont NEED to

[steel umbra]

i’m not quite sure what you mean

[quaint mesa]

stuck between 5070 or 5070ti how big is the performance dif?

[buoyant bridge]

I have molex brackets that fit into a Pcie slot I was just gonna rewire the ends on for connecting the 2 power supplies to the single motherboard since it'll be 2 PSUs in 2 cases

non standard wiring essentially

[crimson cairn]

bro whenever I see MOLEX connectors omg i get scared

[buoyant bridge]

why? The Molex-A connector is literally just 1 of the 2 splits in a EPS plug?

[steel umbra]

just make sure the psus aren’t connected to each other in some way

[crimson cairn]

its scary

[buoyant bridge]

it's literally such a standard connector

[buoyant bridge]

Molex-B is because it's a peice of shit

[crimson cairn]

i like the EPS connector

😻

[empty quartz]

Iykyk

[buoyant bridge]

I'm talking about this type of molex plug

[crimson cairn]

D-

[buoyant bridge]

they come in anywhere from 2 pin to 60 pin

[crimson cairn]

24ping EPS

[buoyant bridge]

no that's a molex plug

[crimson cairn]

oh

yeah sorry molex not eps

it is late for me and lack of slep

[buoyant bridge]

Molex designed like all the PC power connectors😭 😭

[shy arch]

Ur looking at an average diff of 20%

[buoyant bridge]

Except SATA I think??

[crimson cairn]

sata has thin connectors

[formal sonnet]

Wow. Somebody's picky.

[steel umbra]

ace carder is about to pick lock and steal all the toyotas from neighbour’s garage

guaranteed

[shy arch]

Posture check every1

[buoyant bridge]

Molex claims they designed the sata power connector but I don't think that's true

[hollow mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-hunchback-turn-cukurukuk-gif-15693050314819858264

[quaint mesa]

where can you see performance diff or u just know?

[empty quartz]

i got the genesis and the reaper sets

[shy arch]

vids and benchmarks

I prefer vids much more since they give real world performance

[empty quartz]

the reaper set came with the "mctickler"

[steel umbra]

i secretly envy

better equipped than me

[drowsy isle]

If y’all ever order anything off Best Buy make sure to use a credit card or PayPal. Debit will charge you twice as an “authorization hold“ with Best Buy and usually takes a few days to resolve. If you buy something for $1500 another $1500 will be charged. Not all the time though

[buoyant bridge]

Benchmarks but 20% is super board

broad*

[shy arch]

Which country

[buoyant bridge]

usually 20% in CPUs will mean multi core performance or if you specify gaming it'll be single core performance

[drowsy isle]

US

[empty quartz]

might just be your card

[ivory mountain]

i use 1440p tomshardware a lot

[jovial jasper]

ive been linux recently, and holymoly i love this little launcher.

[shy arch]

Also guys why does userbenchmark have such a bad rep?

[jovial jasper]

1 app to rule them all

[hollow mulch]

that looks like ubuntu

[buoyant bridge]

steam >

[jovial jasper]

arch btw

[buoyant bridge]

unemployment OS

[quaint mesa]

would yall oay the extra 200 for 5070ti?

[buoyant bridge]

Yes

[hollow mulch]

bedrock linux btw

[shy arch]

Yh I like a big diff in my upgrades

[jovial jasper]

read my bio 😂

[drowsy isle]

Yes difference between a decent pt experience or a shitfest

[quaint mesa]

im going from 3060ti to one of the two so big for me regardless

[shy arch]

Bigger the better

That'll give u at least an extra year before ur next upgrade

[quaint mesa]

i dont rly need to upgrade rn just been a while

[jovial jasper]

cachy os!

[steel umbra]

it’s insane how many fake CAT 6A, CAT 7, CAT 8, CAT 8.1 are out there

[buoyant bridge]

Cat 6A not so much but 7 and up yes

[steel umbra]

and also how many youtubers don’t know what CAT 6A shall meet

[hollow mulch]

why is your games folder in a separate partition

[shy arch]

Also guys is $65 extra for a 2070 super instead of a base 2070 worth it

[steel umbra]

literally two third or more of CAT 6A cable on the don’t meet the minimum awg requirement for 100m

[buoyant bridge]

isn't it basically just a weather rated version of CAT 6E?

[bold olive]

they're living in the future

[steel umbra]

imagine buying CAT 8 cable and getting CAT 5e speeds

[jovial jasper]

i have 4 drives 1 is a 4tb nvme drive, the other 3 are sata SSDs, i just combined all the SATA drives into 1 big drive

[steel umbra]

well, which is still like 4-5gbps at like 90-100m

[shy arch]

what isp do y'all use that u need cat 8 😭

[steel umbra]

most good cat 5e can handle 4gbps

bc it’s just twisted copper lol

(very generalized)

[buoyant bridge]

it'll realistically do whatever speed it does. I've seen 5E cables auto negotiating 10G before and doing 10G with fairly low packet loss (though it should be 0 on a wired connect)

[bold olive]

i mean the number 5 is e, and 5+5=10, so it's a cat 10 cable

[steel umbra]

it depends on lenght and interferences

a good shorty cat 5e will easily deliver 10gbps

some chicken leg awg 30 cat 5e won’t

[bold olive]

2.5 gig is plenty for me

not even my motherboard has 10g

[steel umbra]

especially if it’s twisted non optimally

[buoyant bridge]

the main reason I see a lot of Cat 6A being used nowadays is just weather concerns

[drowsy isle]

I’m fine with 1 gig 😭 although 2gig has been tempting me

[buoyant bridge]

Cat6A will stand up to UV and rain it's common to see security cameras run on 6A instead of a weather rated cat 4 (what they need) or a cat 5 cable

It's just cheaper to use the better 6A cable

[steel umbra]

cat 6A aint cheap

[bold olive]

im fine with wifi 5 on mesh

😭

[steel umbra]

305m of 5e will set you like 40 bucks
100m of 6a also 40 bucks cheapest.

[buoyant bridge]

Compared to weather rated cat2 (what security cameras will need at minimum) it is

[cosmic idol]

Me with my 50/18 plan

[buoyant bridge]

500M of 6A is around $130 at hardware stores
500M of weather rated cat2 is around $230 at hardware stores

[steel umbra]

just the wire without plugs

[buoyant bridge]

6A is more common in that application purely because it's actually a better cable for that use case

[cosmic idol]

It’s kinda fun doing the plugs yourself so

[steel umbra]

500m for 130 of cat 6a is suspicious low price for cat 6a can you send me some listing

[cosmic idol]

Not when you have to do like 20 of them
But
5 or 6 is nice

[buoyant bridge]

That's what I buy it for at Lowe's with my pro membership

Southwire brand. I think it's like $180 regular price

$200 for Micro Connectors brand online

Though I think this is some weird Frankenstein spec cable between 6A and 7

Not UV jacketed so this is different than what they sell in stores

[steel umbra]

26awg

that’s going to perform like cat 5e

so that shielding is essentially useless unless you have very noisy environment

[buoyant bridge]

The southwire stuff they sell in store is 22awg

[steel umbra]

good stuff

i hope their twist rate is also good

[buoyant bridge]

Ive had a huge pain in the ass with it before and had to buy cat 6A specific crimps cause a cat5/6 crimp won't fit

[buoyant bridge]

It's extremely tight twisted usually I have to use that little splitter thing on the end of my crimp tool to start untwisting it also a result of being a thick cable though

[steel umbra]

anyways this is a waste of money, imagine putting all this shielding only to cheap out on the copper

[buoyant bridge]

It's for the people that think buying online for stuff that's better to buy in store is smart so duh

Lowe's and Home Depot both do this for stuff like cable where they have a online only and in store only brand and the in store brand is well known and above spec and the online only is unknown and barely to spec or even below sometimes

Ace hardware does it with NM-B too

It's Southwire in store and it's Imperial online

The imperial stuff is actually half a gauge below what's advertised which.. most electrical codes do allow despite being a fire hazard

IE 12 will be true 11.5

Also y'know hardware stores still sell big brand cat 1 cable

[steel umbra]

stranded wires as well, like cmon are they seriously ruining the whole cable over some pennies

you already give the wire awg23 worth of copper but you decide to go stranded bc $$

[buoyant bridge]

they'll do whatever lets them advertise as a certain spec

pull boxes are supposed to be whatever the requirement for said spec is at half the length of the box

[quaint mesa]

is the 9070 better than the 5070?

[buoyant bridge]

So a 500ft box needs to be spec for 250 ft

if you want very high quality get outdoor rated Furnace 8P8C

minimum spec for that is 20 gauge 4x shielded with a UV rated double jacket, PVC liner, and drain wire

[pulsar obsidian]

New gpu

[steel umbra]

they’ll just market the cables whatever, it’s not really regulated as you can adverise cat 6 cable as cat 8 and easily get away with it because 99.5% of people don’t have a way to measure it or don’t care

[buoyant bridge]

Hardware stores won't do that at least because the cable doesn't come terminated

[buoyant bridge]

This is brutal overkill and there's a good chance your crimps won't fit easily fyi

[steel umbra]

it depends

[buoyant bridge]

usually hardware stores won't carry high spec pre terminated cable from what I've seen

they'll only carry like cat 5, cat 6 if you're really lucky

[steel umbra]

i meant, hardware store can sell you overspec’d wires

especially with all that foil distraction

[buoyant bridge]

they can but they don't because they can be held accountable if someone finds out

[jovial jasper]

tf u mean "myself included" (im talking to gemini to help guide me through linux)

[buoyant bridge]

Amazon doesn't care because nobody can really hold them or the Chinese company selling it accountable

[steel umbra]

i’ve had hardware store sell hilarously damgerous extension cords

like really bad solder job

[buoyant bridge]

do they lie about the gauge or anything though?

that's just a poor solder job

[steel umbra]

switch that used spring as it’s only thing that held the whole thing on contact

and the contact was also poor

[buoyant bridge]

OH WAIT ARE YOU IN EUROPE?

[steel umbra]

yes

[buoyant bridge]

US extension cords are basically impossible to fuck up but they're commonly under the spec for the plug is the thing

[jovial jasper]

Eurofrog detected

[buoyant bridge]

yeah idk about euro extension cords

[vale lotus]

Off the top of your head does anyone know a laptop with little fan noise and heat with decent battery life

[tulip depot]

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/insignia-6-ft-cat-8-ultra-high-speed-ethernet-cable-black/J2FPJK9G5R/sku/6635061 is this one decent

[buoyant bridge]

Ive got extension cords I've owned for like 20 years and have lost maybe a foot of length from replacing the female end over and over

[buoyant bridge]

All Thinkpads

Business laptops use more expensive high blade fans

[vale lotus]

Hmmm

[buoyant bridge]

Cat 8 isn't a spec fyi

[vale lotus]

Any thinkpad in particular

[steel umbra]

like so bad solder job when i opened the extension cord to look around there was a hole where the stranded copper wire was supposted to go through, well, the solder job was so poor it wasn’t in the hole but onky hanging by the tin, so when i touched the wire it just snapped

[shy arch]

bro js get a lenovo x1 series and you'll be fine for every thing except gaming

[buoyant bridge]

this is a cable that isn't built to a spec

[steel umbra]

and the switch broke bc it was just springs

two pen springs

[buoyant bridge]

I usually just make my own extension cords now

[steel umbra]

that were held by very trustworthy looking plastic

[buoyant bridge]

Tired of them breaking from heavy use

[buoyant bridge]

I can game just fine on my T14s G6

[vale lotus]

I need to do some gaming

[steel umbra]

and this was rated for like 16 amps

[drowsy isle]

thing is like $2 with the employee discount

[buoyant bridge]

Europe moment, over engineered cable

[steel umbra]

the switch was also rated for like 16amps but the contact was for like 10 amps inside

[shy arch]

for me even the highest x1 series can barely play any actual games bc none of them have dgpu's

[buoyant bridge]

are you buying an AMD model? Lenovo has to down power the AMD chips because they need more power

[shy arch]

well im gonna prob but so far just intel

[steel umbra]

it was cheaped out, not overengineered

[buoyant bridge]

The Intel model's preform consistent on and off battery the AMD models do not

[buoyant bridge]

Cheaped out on things you shouldn't be able to cheap out on

a spring is more expensive than the contacts in US cords

[vale lotus]

So get Intel cpu in a thinkpad

[buoyant bridge]

The US plugs wear out is the thing

[buoyant bridge]

Yeah
8th gen or newer if you care about battery
12th gen or newer if you care about performance

[shy arch]

I've had a gen 11 and gen 13 thinkpad x1 carbon so far

[steel umbra]

EU plugs come really tight when you get fresh ones

[vale lotus]

Middle so maybe 10th gen

[shy arch]

both are really great for any work

[vale lotus]

I have to limit my gaming performance to fit my other needs like low noise and heat and better battery life

[buoyant bridge]

how is the G13 struggling with games it's the same CPUs as the T14s G6

[steel umbra]

they also eventually wear and loosen

[buoyant bridge]

I think they're literally almost identical preformance wise

[vale lotus]

All I've had is some really cheap $200 hp laptop a few years ago and a clunky 17.3 inch metal plastic heat machine

[shy arch]

I meant compared to a discrete gpu

igpu's cant run shi

[vale lotus]

Some

[buoyant bridge]

US plugs are just a piece of metal you quite literally bend when you plug it in

[buoyant bridge]

My laptop hasn't had issues with doom or cyberpunk all max

[shy arch]

compared to an actual gpu

[vale lotus]

True

[buoyant bridge]

It'll push doom eternal to all max 1080P 240 fps

[shy arch]

DAMN

arc 140v i assume?

[buoyant bridge]

XE Max

[vale lotus]

Whats the full name of it?

[shy arch]

bro that's a discrete gpu 💀

[buoyant bridge]

no it's not it's on die

[vale lotus]

Also can you go slightly higher than 1080p and atleast 60 fps still?

[buoyant bridge]

130V and 140V are bins of XE Max

They all are in a driver and chip family though I think XE max is the highest bin but it may be 140V

Intel's iGPUs have been separated from the CPU for awhile now but they're still on package

[shy arch]

bro u sure everyone told me the iris xe max is a dGPU for laptops

[vale lotus]

What laptop would this be in

[buoyant bridge]

Thinkpad T14s G6

[vale lotus]

Well iris xe is usually igpu so 🤷‍♂️

[buoyant bridge]

seems I have 140V so I was wrong

[buoyant bridge]

It's an on die package

iris is always on die there are no discrete iris gpus

[shy arch]

counts as igpu for me

[vale lotus]

How would you rate the price and battery

[buoyant bridge]

Intel iGPUs are a separate peice of silicon nowadays but they're still on the same package

[buoyant bridge]

8-20 hours so pretty damn good but it was a pretty penny of a laptop

$2.8K for my config

[vale lotus]

Oof

Yeah I absolutely can't do 2.8 🥀

[shy arch]

maybe go for a used last gen then

[buoyant bridge]

look for a used G5 mabye?

also X1 and laptops ending in S have soldered ram fyi

[steel umbra]

i’ve not had issues with EU plug prong mechanism designs but just the decreasing quality, wires inside getting thinner, mechanisms being janky out of the box, extremely/dangerously bad soldering job, lower quality parts such as switches

[vale lotus]

Eww soldered 🥀

[buoyant bridge]

You could just wack the plug off and put a metal junction box on the end

[shy arch]

bro almost every new business laptop has soldered ram

[buoyant bridge]

I just do that now with a peice of Romex run through a braided sheet and add a plug on the end

[buoyant bridge]

Nope most Thinkpads don't

Just the X1 and S laptops

Most latitudes don't either

[shy arch]

yh the x1's 😩

[vale lotus]

What's the usual difference between the s version and non s version

[buoyant bridge]

I'm not a big fan of the X1 they never feel as well built as a T or P series

[shy arch]

ram is their biggest caveat for me

[buoyant bridge]

S is magnesium and slimmer with a more power efficient screen and based around 45W

[shy arch]

slim

[vale lotus]

Makes sense

[buoyant bridge]

regular is aluminum, thicker, socketed ram, wifi card, less power efficient screen, based around 65-130W

[vale lotus]

I got a lenovo ad while looking at a thinkpad review lol

[shy arch]

ngl tho but newer x1 carbon's can do some light gaming if the chosen cpu has arc 140v

[vale lotus]

After learning more about thinkpads I get why a lot of teachers use them

[shy arch]

much stronger igpu than normal

[shy arch]

every teacher in my skl uses macbooks which pmo so much

the fact that they're die-hard macbook users

a much better laptop for a smaller price tag? nah, they're good

[vale lotus]

overpriced sure good specs mostly but price is horrible heat isn't best and expensive upgrade costs and software compatibility

[empty quartz]

what makes macbooks worse

[vale lotus]

Everything I said

[shy arch]

bro i js don't like them

[empty quartz]

you might be thinking of the intel macs lmfao

[shy arch]

my 23' m3 pro is js gathering dust

[vale lotus]

Well intel macs more of heat problems sure but everything else pretty much all macs

[empty quartz]

nice joke

[vale lotus]

Many youtubers say this too

[shy arch]

intel mac's dont count for me; they're so bad

[vale lotus]

Lol

[empty quartz]

the only thing i agree with is the upgrade costs

[shy arch]

not to mention that macbook air's don't have fans so macbook pro's r the only viable option for me

[empty quartz]

what do you use your laptop for

[vale lotus]

Yeah no fans is incredibly stupid especially for the price

[shy arch]

rlly heavy multitasking and 3d work

[buoyant bridge]

nothing

I honestly prefer the build of a macbook but seeing as no fedora or solus on them they're useless to me

[empty quartz]

name 1 laptop that runs as cool under normal tasks while getting as good battery life

[vale lotus]

Thinkpad

[buoyant bridge]

ha NO

[empty quartz]

worse battery, worse display, worse build quality, try again

[buoyant bridge]

thinkpads run hot they just have well designed cooling systems to remain at okay temps and quiet

[vale lotus]

Maybe some of it but worse build quality is bold

[buoyant bridge]

display is pretty similar and imo the S and X thinkpads are similar build quality but they defo dont run as cool as macbooks do

[shy arch]

so you're js ignoring the whole thermal throttling factor for more intensive tasks?