tech-chat-1

[boreal vine]

People need to realize, the majority of the market is actually the enterprise consumers

[swift moss]

02;30am customer support what the fuck

[frail topaz]

The reason behind the shortage in the first place wasnt pc builders it was AI

[grizzled frost]

when forced to choose between the datacenter and the average consumer, they will pick the datacenter in a heartbeat

[boreal vine]

do you think they'd care if ram prices are suddenly 100% more? they'll just buy it and pass along the cost to end consumer

[grizzled frost]

i can tell you right now that ain’t cl26

[boreal vine]

problem is, alot of the ram producing fabs are being taken over for VRAM productiuon

[grizzled frost]

and there isn’t a single thing we can even hope to do

[night delta]

Idk how much the latency stock 5200 vengance has

[grizzled frost]

Here comes the return of DDR3!

[boreal vine]

nope, unless this AI bs crashes

[grizzled frost]

finally my investment in ddr3 pays off!

[rose stream]

It's two part: AI and because memory manufacturers got burned back during and after the lockdowns subsided.

[night delta]

Even aliexpress specials arent even cheap anymore

[grizzled frost]

you know it’s bad when aliexpress ain’t cheap anymore

[boreal vine]

abit annoyed though since I really want to upgrade to 64GB

[boreal tiger]

Don't lose hope someone Will eventually fill the demand

[rose stream]

So the AI demand is crazy and memory manufacturers are restricting their supply.

[frail topaz]

i got an aliexpress special 2x16 ddr4 ecc 3200@CL16(?) for like 40$ in january

[boreal vine]

not in this scenario

[grizzled frost]

time to upgrade to 1tb in my nas

[night delta]

This is only cheap BECAUSE of cyber monday

[boreal vine]

all we can hope is that it crashes and faceplants like it did back in 2023 when ddr4 prices went for peanuts

[boreal tiger]

This is the exact scenario if anyone wants to supply the market they can make a ton of money 💰

And people are willing to pay for it

[night delta]

At least gpu prices are somewhat ok..for now

[grizzled frost]

i await the moment i can upgrade to 1tb of ddr5

[rose stream]

I think it's going to be complicate, since Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron are wary of that specifically happening again them. It's why they're doing what they're doing right now while the frenzy is on-going.

[boreal vine]

creating fabs takes a very very very very long time

[frail topaz]

especially for memory

[rose stream]

Yep.

[boreal vine]

by the time they create one, who knows if the demand is still there

[frail topaz]

& even if they did make more fabs they're worried if the ai bubble will pop and then noone will want the ram anymore

[grizzled frost]

like a decade or more just to get to the point you can actually produce stuff

[frail topaz]

hey we'll take it for pennies on the dollar 🙏

[hollow girder]

B A S S

[rose stream]

It's why I even found it interesting a startup like Substrate showed up with their bold promises.

[boreal vine]

be like me, and don't upgrade for years and spend all your money on keyboards as god intended

[grizzled frost]

when the AI bubble pops we’re kind of fucked

[boreal vine]

it's the way god intended

[grizzled frost]

it’s gonna tank the global economy

[empty quartz]

Technically speaking, i currently have 2000 cad worth of ddr4

[frail topaz]

100%

[rose stream]

You need totally new infrastructure to switch over from EUV to X-ray semiconductor manufacturing, and that one's in it's infancy too with very few even backing it.

[night delta]

Yknow this might make a weird predicment

Game devs might have to start optimizing their games now

might

[boreal vine]

1999 dot.com bubble all over again

[grizzled frost]

they don’t, but they use the same ram dies

[night delta]

For now

[grizzled frost]

we do not

even if we did, they’d be useless

[boreal vine]

speaking of substrate, whatever happened to intel's organic substrate plan

[boreal tiger]

Have you guys heard about this cloud gaming

[night delta]

But lowk game devs might start to optimize their games cuz ram is tight now

[agile python]

hello. question is msi a good monitor brand

[grizzled frost]

it doesn’t take all that long to physically build a ram FAB, it takes a long time to install all the hardware and set it up, then run months worth of tests

[night delta]

Internet goes down it goes bye bye

[rose stream]

At this current time, we need to really just... Stop focusing on only the triple As at this point.
Their dev teams are being made to do the unreasonable and now things are starting to crash in those sectors. It's not gonna be pretty.

[frail topaz]

yeah because noone is leaving the expensive ass machines for people to take

[boreal vine]

msi is best, msi is good, get msi yes

[night delta]

I meant that for everyone

[boreal vine]

mmm yes invest in msi

[boreal tiger]

Yeah but you don't need to worry about ram and without internet you can't play with friends anyways

[boreal vine]

msi best, msi good

[boreal vine]

you should get msi

[rose stream]

Did you also know about Stadia and Luna?

[night delta]

...yknow theres some who dont play with friends-

[boreal tiger]

No what are they tell me

[night delta]

And also lets see:

• Waiting queues
• Limited playtime
• Internet latency and compression
• ANOTHER subscription I have to subscribe to

[agile python]

that apple watch a msi product also?

[boreal vine]

if you squint hard enough, anything is msi product

[agile python]

also one of these

[night delta]

Zotac does

[boreal tiger]

But you don't need a thousand dollar PC

[kindred halo]

Something funny I've noticed is that FSR sometimes decreases performance lol

[agile python]

if you have a hammer anythings low profile

[boreal tiger]

Wdym lan party?

[agile python]

wait good question

[boreal vine]

just get 240hz 1440p

[night delta]

Local multiplayer????

[boreal vine]

https://tenor.com/view/its-shrimple-shrimp-funny-haha-meme-gif-9312733212572166512

[night delta]

And also they might not have games I want to play

[rose stream]

Uuuuhhh depends on who you look at.

Double A tends to be doable or just rehashes what they had before (though we got some great bangers because of it, like PacMan World 2 RePac, Spyro: Reignited Trilogy, and so on) and they typically have crazy requirements unlike triple A.

Indy varies... Heavily and most of the best indie or most feature rich indie games do not typically have high requirements whatsoever. Some of them even run pretty well on low end and older hardware configs.

[night delta]

I dont play the latest AAA games or I wanna play some games that are old

[boreal vine]

https://www.amazon.com/2560x1440-FreeSync-DisplayHDR-ErgoStand-F3bmiiprx/dp/B0CZ7P8P4C?

[boreal tiger]

No no you link your steam or epic games account and boom the only limitation is your internet speed

[night delta]

...Yeah and theres games that are delisted that i cant play

[agile python]

i have a 240hz (idk maybe 1440)

[night delta]

And I still have to pay them to play the games I bought

[boreal vine]

sounds like cope to me

[rose stream]

Also thanks to Valve, the spec targets for the bare minimum could even stand to be lower while still delivering a far better gameplay experience, due to them picking only reasonable requirements and encouraging devs to optimize their games around it.

[boreal tiger]

Well maybe you are unlucky

[agile python]

i want a 3rd monitor :3

[boreal vine]

I got bored of 5 monitors

i even want to get rid of my 3rd one

just keep 2

[night delta]

Cloud gaming not my thing

[agile python]

dw leme hold it for you

[night delta]

And even if there is the games on my library the devs dont license them to be used on the cloud gaming system

[boreal tiger]

Idk but for me it might be

[winter lantern]

I Got a 240hz 5120x1440p

[night delta]

Some of them do some of them dont

[night delta]

good for you then

[boreal tiger]

Haven't heard about that but I think it's a them problem not a you problem

[tawdry coyote]

tiny 11 or some linux

[winter lantern]

Could gaming works good on consoles
Thats it tho

[boreal vine]

ultrawide, more like ultra lame

Joking

[night delta]

Thats the issue, i wanna play whatever i want when i want

[boreal tiger]

How?

[winter lantern]

Nuh uh

[boreal vine]

I can't use ultra wide

[winter lantern]

How as in what

[agile python]

im thinking about honestly getting rid of one of them so it would be a replacement kinda

[boreal tiger]

30 dollars a month

[agile python]

but i do want a 3rd in the same sense so i might not

[night delta]

whatever i want

i got games that they dont have

[boreal tiger]

The purpose is to play games on low end devices where do consoles come from

[boreal vine]

tbf, as long as your main monitor is decent it should be okay

what you should spend youjr money on is keyboard

[boreal tiger]

Now that's a you problem my friend

[tawdry coyote]

^yall i need to decide for my new ssd

[night delta]

?????? how is that a me problem

[boreal vine]

can't buy ram when you've got no money for ram anyways, just buy keyboards innit

[night delta]

bruh

[agile python]

i have a logitech gaming keyboard

[boreal tiger]

I think if we wait and it becomes popular sure you might get the games you wanna play

[rose stream]

Well here's the thing...

Once they're gone, they're gone for good.
That's what happened to both Stadia and Luna.

Also Onlive too, even if they weren't really streaming, but more of an online distribution store pretty much.

[night delta]

Too bad i dont like that. I have it, I wanna play it.

[winter lantern]

I mean it its prefect on consoles but not on pc

[boreal vine]

I have a logitech keyboard too

[boreal tiger]

Seeing the ram prices these days that's nothing

[night delta]

360 a year and internet factors and service factors..

[winter lantern]

The 64gb ram i have doesn't look stupid anymore 🔥

[night delta]

specially if you live in an area with cappee internet plans

[winter lantern]

Nobody is paying every month

[night delta]

Thats going to be a massive issue.

[boreal tiger]

If you have a PC you still need internet

[night delta]

Bro said 30 a month

[rose stream]

Depends on the games in question, as various ones are probably gone by now and there's no way to get them back. That's why game preservation is a movement now because it's happened for so long that we're literally missing out on content that is long lost or starting to disappear with no way to get it.

[winter lantern]

Gamepass is buns

[agile python]

this is my current setup and my 2nd monitor Has no stand so its leaning on the wall (it was free) @boreal vine

[boreal vine]

get an arm

[winter lantern]

Use one of those key websites to get it for 10$

[agile python]

i was looking to buy one also since black friday

[night delta]

Like I wanna play my GRID 2, Shift 2 Unleashed and Metro and delisted Forza games

[boreal vine]

mighta s well

[rose stream]

Even more, there is also stuff restricted by DRM or other built in limitations intentionally put into games. One of the worst offenders right now are the connected or "always online" stuff, even stuff that are online hosted only.

[boreal tiger]

If you have a console why the hell would you need online gaming subscription?

[winter lantern]

To have games?

[night delta]

Some people might have capped internet plans

[rose stream]

Once their services are gone, it takes a herculean effort to get them back, especially if the devs move on or disappear entirely.

[serene python]

this IOT project i am doing at uni is making me want to not touch a piece of tech ever again

[night delta]

Streaming it is gonna chew through those

[agile python]

you got any recommendations?

[rose stream]

... Like what happened to Drive Club...

[night delta]

Rip.

[winter lantern]

Just dont download a tb of games

[night delta]

And we are right back to square one

[boreal tiger]

That's the people's problem

[winter lantern]

Cloud gaming is good cause 800gb of storage aint shit nowadays

[night delta]

Yeah no thanks, I rather have control of what I get to play, even if I have a crap system

[shy olive]

Guys i have a question, is it worth to get a 4090 or 3090(5090 is excluded since it’s basically like a 4090)

[rose stream]

Key parts of that game basically was built around being online.
It was great too, but once Sony broke their promise and got rid of the devs (who were major veteran names in the industry btw with incredible project reputations), the services went down and came at the expense of us players.

[rose stream]

And with how locked down stuff is with PSN-based services, it's going to be a while before anyone can get around that problem later on, just like with all the old online games from years ago.

[shy olive]

?

[steel umbra]

https://fightchatcontrol.eu why 23/27 agree after the revised chat control?

even finland??

[winter lantern]

What are you willing to spend

[shy olive]

no im not spending i just want to know whats a better choice on what circumstances

[night delta]

They took down motorstorm with it

[night delta]

Size

[rose stream]

Not with current majority of internet services across the globe.
Not everyone has better than even 35 mbps of connection with actually good latency, and that's most people in the world.

[night delta]

Power usage and the 12vhpwr connector

[shy olive]

What do you mean?

[night delta]

Most 4090 cards are gigantic compared to 3090 cards

[rose stream]

Plus, cloud has extra stupidity included in the package that varies from provider to provider. You're picking your poison and the most recurring one is if they take something down you pretty much payed them for, you lose it completely.

Just like with any other cloud service.

[winter lantern]

Im talking about psplus cloud

They announce when the games are leaving

[night delta]

Same thing

[night delta]

How tf am i suppose to play sai games they dont have anymore then

Oh wait, ya buy em

[winter lantern]

I mean yeah you can do that technically

[tepid kelp]

https://www.threads.com/@ishowcybersecurity/post/DRumS_KgnUw?xmt=AQF0crTDuEHFbtB2c-xe26fG7I6wiacVVIXlFJX6fetiJEUzV4utSIwwGE5rPvWMAlDeubA&slof=1

[night delta]

not play said game is not a valid argument btw

[boreal tiger]

That good you know what you want

[night delta]

Jumping ship to another subscription that has the games you want is not a really good argument either

[boreal tiger]

We were personally taking people who do have a good connection but you have a valid point

[night delta]

In a perfect world if corporate arent so terrible and everyone has a good connection then yes, its a viable alternative

[rose stream]

FF VII Remake got taken off the platform?
Too bad, you can't even add it back.

CS2 was removed because of the legal dramas between all platform holders and Valve for whatever reason?
Tough luck! Go waste more of the money you may not have on a Steam Machine then.

Most of the latest CoD games are no longer in library of the streaming service?
Cry about it~! We're not adding it back if we don't want to.

Wanna try and side load a game just because we don't have it and you're paying a subscription to be on here?
Aaahhh what subscription? There is no side loading in Ba Sing Se. (Now get the hell off our platform, you pirating idiot.)

[night delta]

But your forgetting 3rd world countries or rural areas

[rose stream]

My point basically is that also doing cloud gaming also includes giving up freedoms for it.

They promise you the ability to get whatever they have that you want, but they can also just take it from you and you can't damn thing about it, for any given reason and even make excuses or just give you radio silence over it.

[wheat torrent]

I seen a 3070 2 times bigger than my 4090

[night delta]

You want to make cloud gaming good for the masses? Fix the infrastructure and corporate first.

[wheat torrent]

it was insane how big it was

[rose stream]

Also, if their entire service upends completely, you lose... Everything you just bought too.

[boreal tiger]

Then there is no profit

[brave brook]

and that is with not that great pressure, heatsinks have much more pressure on the IHS

[night delta]

??????????

then the service fails

[winter lantern]

This won't ever happen for microsoft or sony cloud gaming is just a bonus for their subscriptions

[frigid blade]

Tbh, its not as hard as people think to do it. I can definitely get a proof of concept working from home

[boreal tiger]

All of the companies operate in their best interest that is maximum profit.

[frigid blade]

Ive already created the backend for creating Hyper-V VMs, with the GPU paravritualization. All thats left is the front end to talk to it and get a stream

[boreal tiger]

Yes it does for some people

[frigid blade]

You dont need enterprise software

[night delta]

Yeah but does corpo gonna fix it...ehhhh. and when i meant infrastructure, i also meant the local internet connection too cuz not everyone has perfect 100mbps+ internet. Specially if you live in southeast asia or rural places

[night delta]

Not for everyone.

[frigid blade]

you dont need over 100Mbps for it

you dont even need 50

[night delta]

Cuz I tried a few back when I was living in vietnam

[boreal tiger]

Yeah definitely it's not for everyone but it is viable for someone

[frigid blade]

for a playable 1080p60 fps i think the bandwidth is like 20Mbps

[rose stream]

Okay, but Stadia was a biiiig thing when Google started it and Luna was literally Amazon's attempt to brute force their way into the market purely with money, infrastructure, and software support that they had in abundance compared to both.
Both lost in the end and even Stadia technically had a chance to survive, but ended up instead because canned by Alphabet in the end, angering everyone from devs, to customers, even to middle management. Luna meanwhile died in silence.

Also, let's not forget Nintendon't tried doing it too in some capacity and that went about as well as anyone would've predicted.

[night delta]

Wish it was perfect 1080p60 throughout when i was living in vietnam playing on xbox cloud

And geforce now

[winter lantern]

I forgot the switch had games that were cloud only 🥀

[frigid blade]

geforce now was pretty bad

[winter lantern]

Still is

[night delta]

Its technically playable but my expeience was never smooth

[rigid fjord]

it was never good to begin with

[frigid blade]

I wish microsoft didnt break the GPU-PV, even if you set the percentage as 50% it will allocate all resources

[night delta]

Cuz holy video compression and weird latency

[rose stream]

Now it's like... Eh, it's for a very specific userbase that's even more niche than the standard pc owners.

[night delta]

I play racing games, and streaming it feels like Im driving drunk

[frigid blade]

it was enough for what i used it for, which was being able to game on school pcs from the browser

[boreal tiger]

Why?

[night delta]

Latency.

[boreal tiger]

Ok oh are you on wifi or Ethernet

[night delta]

Dosent steer and respond when i expect it to

[night delta]

Tried on both

[boreal tiger]

And

[night delta]

It felt odd. I play racing games a lot and I def felt odd.

[frigid blade]

which is something that they can fix, considering I could stream my home pc from 110 miles away and get unnoticable latency

they just choose not to

[night delta]

Thats the problem

They can fix it, they just dont..

[rose stream]

Feels pointless now to offer so much performance that feels like trying to allocate resources as a game server owner, trying to get good service from one of the major players in that space with no guarantees that you even will anyway regardless of what you paid and still have your playerbase malding about the poor experience.

[frigid blade]

were you on the free option?

[winter lantern]

Free GeForce now 💔

[night delta]

Yeah and tried the free trial too on xbox

[frigid blade]

is there no free tier anymore?

[rose stream]

With cloud gaming, really the expectation still and presumably will continue to be something you should expect the worst experience from compared to actually owning your own hardware and being able to kit yourself out well.

[winter lantern]

I think its still there its just ass

[sweet fox]

Something weird or bad about this in a new pc for gaming?

[frigid blade]

i feel like the price of the CPU is a lot compared to GPU

[rose stream]

Damn, that's one low bar for a workaround.

[rose stream]

Though I guess it works.

[boreal tiger]

Can we talk about something else

[fair token]

is it worth using the 2nd pcie 4.0 slot to put an SSD on it

[novel grove]

it did it again, these squares

[winter lantern]

5060ti is just that cheap ig

[wheat torrent]

sure

[frigid blade]

i had Chrome RDP to my PC but its worse, and we couldnt install apps like Moonlight to stream normally,

eventually I set up my own cubby area in the corner of the class with fresh windows install without anything locked up and used Sunshine with Moonlight

[rigid fjord]

i'd have gotten a 9060xt instead tbh

[fair token]

can't upgrade to am5 due to ram prices so

[grizzled frost]

theft

[rose stream]

I've noticed this recently.
Though for me, it only does it whenever I join a Discord stream. Really strange behavior out of the client...

[fair token]

btw will they ever drop lmao

[wheat torrent]

what pcie card

[night delta]

Not for awhile

[sweet fox]

Isnt that worse and only a few bucks cheaper?

[fair token]

should I know anything about comparability

[grizzled frost]

at some point, but don’t hold your breath

[wheat torrent]

just read the manual to see if the GPU won't drop to x8

what cpu what mobo

[fair token]

I have a b450 MSI gaming plus max or something

7 5800x

The 2nd slot is 4.0

[winter lantern]

Greatful for my ram 🥹

[fair token]

I was thinking about this too

[wheat torrent]

you can use a pcie card

[grizzled frost]

greatful for my ram

[wheat torrent]

but only PCIe 2.0 x4

[night delta]

Holy gpu bottlenecks batman

[fair token]

won't it be slow

[winter lantern]

Nuh uh

[frigid blade]

I locked in, like average 31 questions each, 160 questions in 2 hours

[fair token]

Did you check the manual?

[rose stream]

Wow. 512 gigs I see.

[grizzled frost]

Mhm

[wheat torrent]

2GB/s

[night delta]

That gtx be screaming while the cpu be sleeping. No hate, but damn

[fair token]

that's fair ig

[winter lantern]

Sell some of it for for inf money 🥺

[rose stream]

Personally, I'm fine for now.

[fair token]

SSD prices probably gonna go high soon too right

[night delta]

I bought this right before the hell hole

[frigid blade]

Do I sell or do I not sell

[hallow jasper]

Thats normal, and expected. I sense a (common) misunderstanding of bottlenecks and where they're a problem.

[rose stream]

I did want to get 48 gigs later though post upgrade, buuut it'll depend I guess.

[fair token]

@wheat torrent

[empty quartz]

@rose stream im buying a 14600k today :D

[rose stream]

O k a y

[night delta]

im aware, just funny seeing a very high end stuff and then gtx 1650

[empty quartz]

Not a huge upgrade, but still a pretty big upgrade from my 13500

[winter lantern]

I was able to use all of it before

[empty quartz]

Especially since i have a z790

[frigid blade]

thats the same guy who had a broken 4090 and was trying to RMA and couldnt figure it out

[empty quartz]

@winter lantern What gpu do you have?

[winter lantern]

1650 super

[empty quartz]

What

The actual fuck

[winter lantern]

Mhm

[empty quartz]

You do not have your priorities

[night delta]

I just gave away an rx 6500 xt 8gb to a friend for free where i couldve just sold it..

In sight, no one would buy it tho.

[winter lantern]

I purposely did something to max out the cpu for a screenshot

[empty quartz]

@frigid blade im buying this

[winter lantern]

Yall still remember ts 🥀

[empty quartz]

And im going to set a world record on cinebench hopefully

[frigid blade]

what am i look at

Is that a RAM cooler?

[winter lantern]

Someone in this server gave me a free 1650 super cause my gpu didnt work

[frigid blade]

no

[empty quartz]

Intels first dgpu after 20 years

[frigid blade]

bro

[night delta]

Didnt expect that i would be keeping this shtbox for longer than I thought tho but here we are

[frigid blade]

very sigma

[rose stream]

Well, compared to me having priorities, it sounds maybe a bit doable. Lol.

[fair token]

Wdym don't hold your breath

[winter lantern]

No job so no 5070ti 🥀

[empty quartz]

Get a job

[rose stream]

Remember, I upgraded my gpu first because my lil brother needed one and I gave him my old one.

[night delta]

Im gonna ask how did you afford the rest of the system..

[empty quartz]

Not hard

[winter lantern]

It was 1k

I just used my life savings

Included the funny monitor

[empty quartz]

Rookie, should’ve used the college fund

[stark flicker]

For a 5080 Asus prime or msi inspire?

The msi is 50€ more expensive

[empty quartz]

Get the cheapest 5080

[night delta]

I just asked for a gpu for my birthday..

[stark flicker]

I'm concerned about noise, are both silent?

[winter lantern]

I get 2 free years of community college in this state

[empty quartz]

Doesnt matter, just adjust the fan curve

[rose stream]

Now my brother bought himself a whole new rig with something way better.

Not offended, but hey. At least I got back my old 2070S I gave him.

[stark flicker]

If temperatures doesn't allow lowering fan speed then yes it matters

Or maybe all model run cool enough?

My 4070S and my 3080ti are way too noisy, fan adjusted or not

[rose stream]

... Even if it was apparently the source of his problems.

[brazen glen]

Aren’t these pontevecchio

[empty quartz]

Why the fuck are you getting a 5080

[rose stream]

Sheesh...

[stark flicker]

I have 3 gaming pc

[empty quartz]

Just stay with the 4070s

[stark flicker]

The third gaming pc needs a gpu, it only has a 1080 currently

[night delta]

Goat gpu

[brazen glen]

The 5070ti and 9070 XT are within a reasonable distance of a 5080 and don’t cost a gorillion dollars

[rose stream]

Just get a 5070 Ti to round it out. Lol.

[empty quartz]

Get a 4080 super, its as good as the 5080

[ebon marlin]

I just had a complete system crash I think my 5070 is already melting

[brazen glen]

I’m drinking a beer at work

[empty quartz]

Osha violation 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[novel grove]

it also does it for youtube too

[stark flicker]

I'm buying it with my wife, so it's like half the price difference for each of us, but yeah we did thought of getting a 5070ti

It's 250€ cheaper (125€/each of us), not that much of a diff to us

A 4080S isn't really findable nowadays where I live

[rose stream]

You using Chrome or something Chromium based per chance?

[brazen glen]

Save the 250 euro and go on a nice dinner date

[stark flicker]

We play in 4K if that matters

[brazen glen]

Or hell, buy a handful of games lmao

[empty quartz]

If you get a 5080, make sure it has 3 fans

[brazen glen]

It doesn’t, the 5080 is a huge waste of money for the money you’re spending

[stark flicker]

Thanks

[empty quartz]

And adjust the fan curve, back when i still had air cooling, my 6800 was pretty quiet

[brazen glen]

Like there’s the “money is no object purchase” and that’s the 5090 and if you have any sort of budget you shouldn’t buy the 80 class this time around

[stark flicker]

It will be cheaper than only one of my speakers in the setup in the end but yeah it's not great value....

However I fear that in the near future we hit a new gpu shortage and price only go up so we kind of wanted to buy the better one for now

[empty quartz]

@stark flicker wait for the rtx 5080 super ti titan ultra pro max /j

[stark flicker]

There is a difference between putting 125€ more per person and 1300€ more per person lmao

[grizzled frost]

ddr3

[stark flicker]

Anyway, either a 5070 ti or a 5080, as long as I take a tri fan one it will stay quiet with maybe a bit of fan adjustments?

[brazen glen]

I’m just talking about the marginal difference between the 70ti/9070 XT and a 5080

[grizzled frost]

ain’t no body wants ddr3, that’s why the prices haven’t changed much

[rose stream]

Being that we're currently in an artificial ram and nand shortage somewhat, I think gpu shortage is not something that will happen so easily... Unless they just switch over to OP integrated gpus in the future, in which then that might not even be... Well, an issue I guess?

[grizzled frost]

i could probably get 110% of my money back if i sold, but that’s about it

[brazen glen]

Next batch of GPUs is absolutely going to have a BONKERS price hike so buy what you can now lol

[rose stream]

Pretty sure the issues would be different if we went all in on integrated actually.

[stark flicker]

Yeah we looked at it
16% more performance, 30% more expensive, worse value

We decided that we would take the worse value one

[rose sorrel]

It won’t hurt my pc to leave it running for a few when I am not home ?

[brazen glen]

It sounds like you can comfortably afford the purchase so have fun lol

[stark flicker]

Idk, feels like either the whole economy will go down with the Ai bubble or we gamers get fucked even more and more over time haha

[brazen glen]

It’s going to be so funny when the bubble pops and nvidia is insanely over leveraged with too much inventory and they go kaput

[night delta]

are used workstation gpus actually a viable alternative atp if u need vram...

[stark flicker]

It's always easier when you buy it with two people and two salaries!

Which is why we accept shittier priced product

I would never buy that by myself (my wife earns twice as much as me, soon 3x...)

[stark flicker]

No it won't

[rose stream]

I don't think the global economy will crash that hard when the bubble eventually pops or at least deflates. Won't be the same as with the crypto market of course, but the economy will end up having to rebalance in some way.

[stark flicker]

Yeah there will be a correction at some point that's for sure

But still I'm afraid for the gaming market which is why we are buying this new gpu

[brazen glen]

Ehhhhh right now the American economy is so fully dependent on 7 companies operating on wishful thinking and outright fraud that we could really take a tumble

[stark flicker]

I still have ptsd from the 3000 series shortage

[night delta]

the rx 6500 xt..

[brazen glen]

Like in the early 70s when we had the nifty 50 we were over leveraged on a few dozen companies and that was a disaster, but at least those companies made money and products

Now we have 7 that do nothing useful at all lmao

[stark flicker]

It's not useful yes but those companies do make money except openai, meta, Microsoft, apple etc all have quite good liquidities and revenues to absorb stuff

[night delta]

these should not cost this much bro...

[rose stream]

Well yeah, our economy could be hit with quite a financial crash in some way.
At least the takeaway is that all the advancements and R&D going into AI could benefit everything else in some way, so as long as the groups and startups that backed the movement could pivot away and contribute it to the rest of the industry and economy at large.

[stark flicker]

I have no idea what are the performance of this

[brazen glen]

Microsoft and apple are fine but the other 5 I’m extremely iffy on

[plain cypress]

My pny OC 5070ti is very quiet

[brazen glen]

50 would be acceptable imo

[night delta]

gtx 1070. tied.

[stark flicker]

Ouch

[rose stream]

I imagine it would be way easier to do than what the entertainment industry is going to have to go through, since that's technically already crashing as is.

[brazen glen]

Maybe on paper but in reality not anything close

[night delta]

2021 card btw

[brazen glen]

The restricted data bus and lack of vram make them useless in a lot of older systems

[night delta]

yeah then its like 1050 level

even the rare 8gb sku dosent help

[brazen glen]

A 1060 will handily outperform a 6500 XT in the vast majority of circumstances

[night delta]

and i have that 8gb sku

and it sucked major

[night delta]

its not even a good htpc gpu

because theres missing h264 encoding

[brazen glen]

Now if you could get it cheap and build a steam-machine esque box that was all AMD for like 200-300 bucks? That would be totally fine

Big huge if on getting the parts that cheap

[night delta]

Should I even keep mine atp...

[brazen glen]

It’s a neat historical artifact

[night delta]

https://youtu.be/1FwgGi8k7sQ

[brazen glen]

“The GPU that only existed because of crypto desperation”

[night delta]

because I have this weird sku

most are 4gb models, this has 8..which barely does anything except in games that needs it

[night delta]

i had to follow game settings that are used for rog ally's to get somewhwat playable frame rates that didnt look like crap

i think its barely faster than 8th gen consoles

[wheat torrent]

linus should do all segues in chinese from now on

[shy olive]

what linus is better

[wheat torrent]

chinese linus

[shy olive]

Linusese

[carmine yew]

The front panel survived the first bounce in tact.... it was the 2nd or 3rd that xploded it....

[stark flicker]

It's funny not finding any reliable review of an Asus prime 5080 / msi inspire 5080 which are the most known brands and the cheap models, which probably means the most bought ones

[carmine yew]

uhhhhh it's a 5080

What exactly do you expect to get out of a review

[shy olive]

Is the 50 series even worth it tho? Aren’t they like not that much different from 40 series while just having a new version of dlss?

[grizzled frost]

more performance, more vram

[stark flicker]

40 series are not findable so the question doesn't matter

[carmine yew]

considering the 40 series isn't produced and (generally) not sold anymore.... why would you not get 50?

[shy olive]

Yeah i’d guess its part of nvidia’s grand scheme

[grizzled frost]

not producing last gen gpus is part of a “grand scheme”?

[stark flicker]

It's not a grand scheme, it's just the older generation gets rolled out

[carmine yew]

you mean every company's plan?

New one comes out, old one goes away.

It's not exactly a hidden "Scheme"

[shy olive]

Fair enough

[grizzled frost]

they produce what sells, and the 50 series sells

[stark flicker]

Also price aren't worse than with the 40 super and even if they are not that much better they are still a bit better so eh

[grizzled frost]

plus the 40 series is on an old manufacturing node iirc

[carmine yew]

50 series is the same node

Some arch updates, but the same node

[shy olive]

its not a hidden scheme but its still a scheme of sorts

[grizzled frost]

oh my bad then

[grizzled frost]

that’s called a business strategy, and i’d hope a multi-trillion dollar corporation would have one

[stark flicker]

So yeah

Asus prime vs msi inspire? Any ideas or owners? I only care about noise

If no one as any info I'll go with the prime probably

[carmine yew]

no it's not.

Car companies stop making the 2025 models before they release the 2026 line.

It's literally just common sense

[stark flicker]

It's been like that for most stuff for years

And it's not like it's worse for us too anyway

[carmine yew]

Both will be fine.
If one's a 3 fan, it can generally run slower for similar cooling

but since they're all PWM'd today, noise isn't that much of an issue unless you're cranking the gpu to the max

[stark flicker]

Both are 3 fans, I'll get the prime since it's cheaper then

Thanks

[carmine yew]

perfectly reasonable choice

[stark flicker]

As said before my 4070S and 3080ti are noisy and it's annoying

[wheat torrent]

headphones

[carmine yew]

unless you pay a premium for a top-tier cooler, most GPUs are fairly similar

[wheat torrent]

or build a cage for your pc

[oblique jay]

Thoughts on how safe it'd be to have a monitor arm with a desk like this?

Ive got one AOC AG276QZD2 and a cheaper screen, 27" "electriq" thats alot lighter

Bit sure the material of the desk its like a UK school table or something. Goggling what they typically use says MDF / chipboard with a laminate finish. Which is what it feels like

Pic was horrible but about 1" thickness

[stark flicker]

It's for the living room

[wheat torrent]

optical hdmi!

[stark flicker]

It's OK, I had something like that for years to old my microscope
It was mdf too

[stark flicker]

In the wall

[oblique jay]

You think? How heavy was it. The oled I've got is quite hefty, the other one not so much.

[wheat torrent]

[stark flicker]

It was heavy
But don't worry it will work, especially if you don't do any leveraging like you can see on the photo, which is useless for a normal screen

[hallow jasper]

The Focals 🔥 Aria Evo X No.4's?

[stark flicker]

No, the aria 948 but they are exactly the same from what I know, besides visually a bit different

They are insane if that wasn't a given

[hallow jasper]

I'm absolutely certain of that

[warm saddle]

why is at the adrenalin clock of CPU 0.5Ghz and in task manager is 4GHz?

[oblique jay]

Anyone able to recommend a mount in this case then? 🤔

[hallow jasper]

Task Manager does not do an accurate job of reporting mid/low load clockspeed. It shouldn't be used for an real measurement of realtime clocks.

If its truly important to you, most of us get our measurements from HWiNFO.

[warm saddle]

its the same here

[ivory mountain]

i was arguing with some kid who said coretemp and hwmonitor was better than hwinfo

[hallow jasper]

Modern chips have many cores and their individual clockspeeds are varying very quickly all the time. A single number in Task Manager will never be useful.

HWiNFO's "Effective Clockspeed" section will give you per-core as close to realtime clockspeeds as you're going to get.

[hallow jasper]

Kid who gets his facts from Jayztwocents

[warm saddle]

hw monitor is shit

[ivory mountain]

why do youtubers with nearly a million subs not have enough knowledge to turn on expo

[warm saddle]

and why IGPU is using 30w?

[hallow jasper]

I don't know where you're getting this information but there is a good chance its reading the whole chips power draw

[eager pulsar]

My psu only came with one cable labeled cpu, do I leave the 2x2 slot on the left empty?

[hallow jasper]

Yes

[warm saddle]

Adrenalin

[zinc dagger]

Hello

[hallow jasper]

Likely reading I/O die power. Again HWiNFO's Package Power will give you total power draw for the whole chip, iGPU included. Ryzen has relatively high idle power in the 30-40W range.

[hardy horizon]

any one make a good flexible USB power cable? (c to c) So I can charge tings off of my laptop in my bag, without risking port harm? doesnt need data, just power

[zinc dagger]

Can anyone help me figure out why I'm not posting after swapping my graphics card?

[eager pulsar]

Alright thank you, its just for overclocking right

[hallow jasper]

Make a thread in #1027757333117415424 and ensure you've done everything here https://linustechtips.com/topic/42440-readme-how-to-respond-to-a-no-post-or-no-power-up-situation/

[warm saddle]

and CPU in adrenalin is 5w

[hallow jasper]

Yes. There isn't a CPU available that would need more than a single 8-pin EPS connector for that socket.

[hardy horizon]

Also looking for data only so I can charge off of available ports and devices without concerns

[eager pulsar]

Oh okay first time building so my heart sank to my stomach lol

[hallow jasper]

if you can't fit the connector through the bottom hole partially covered by the board, looks like there is one above it with a blank off plate on it

[zinc dagger]

Well, it's a weird situation because swapping back to my old card post just fine but this is the second graphics card I've tried. Even with a 750 what power supply, neither 5060 nor a 5070 posted. I'll make a thread if I need to but I haven't done anything wrong.

Whoops, reply to the wrong post LOL

[hallow jasper]

you need to make a thread simply because we're not in this channel to walk people through basic troubleshooting

there is a place for that

[oblique jay]

Tbh I think just getting a new desk will solve a handful of problems Im having. Could actually do with extra space as well

[warm saddle]

its like that, its in differnt language sorry.

[ivory mountain]

teplota yep im bilingual now

[eager pulsar]

Yeah thanks

It was a rubber cover

[zinc dagger]

Okay, I made the post hopefully someone will be willing to help out soon

[rigid fjord]

cheaper while being basically the same performance

[sweet fox]

Alright ty

[frigid blade]

finally got it working

I was having so much trouble for no reason implementing dynamic widths for each column for the tables

[warm saddle]

but there is 20w for cpu and 30w for igpu

[jovial swan]

Shit. My pc sounds like angle grinder

[tawny fossil]

I wish I could teleport in time to when I have money to do the things I want to do

[hallow jasper]

Only so much I can do from here. You're not familiar with what you're looking at and i'm having to go off of what you're telling me. I'm sure its all fine.

[zinc dagger]

so do 50 series gpu's need a super current bios to be detectable?

[ivory mountain]

u can get into pcs with a job at mcdonalds they arent as expensive as people say they are lol

easy for me to say tho cause im a minor with no bills to pay

[zinc dagger]

as far as i knew that was mainly an issue with newer cpu's on older boards. not gpu's.

[carmine yew]

figure out which fan is causing it

and then replace that fan

[night delta]

As long as your not using an evga board..

[carmine yew]

Mobo BIOS or GPU BIOS?

GPUs should just work on nearly any board

[tawny fossil]

I'm a minor but in a third world country

[ivory mountain]

fair enoughn

[night delta]

Weirdly dossnt work plug and play if you have an EVGA mobo

[carmine yew]

certain cards and only certain boards

even that's not universal. Also it's a very uncommon board, so that's most likely not the issue

[night delta]

Just something to note I suppose

People reported it applies with their z790, z490 and x299 evga boards too

[stray portal]

look at the score gng

its following me everywhere

[zinc dagger]

Motherboard BIOS

[jovial swan]

Wonder if this dust is why my rear blower is fucked.

[zinc dagger]

It's a z390 gaming Plus motherboard by the way

[jovial swan]

what mm is the rear cooler on my pc btw? 120? 140?

[hallow jasper]

I mean, we can't measure it from that blown out picture but its probably 120mm

actually, now it looks bigger when opening the picture up. could be 140. what case is that

[jovial swan]

azza spectra

[steel umbra]

eating rice with tofu and le mushrooms

kinda sad tofu is also coming from amazon deforestation sites :c

[jovial swan]

ok im going to my local pc repair shop tommorow. im gonna get the whole machine upgraded. might aswell.

what type of AM5 mobo is better than a A620.
B850?
b840?
b850m?

[thorny saddle]

guilty get out of tc1 you rascal

[steel umbra]

b650 b850 / m

[jovial swan]

oh ok

[jovial swan]

aight

[steel umbra]

b650m hdv/m.2 is like $100

[hallow jasper]

try to avoid A series, or B840. B650/B850 is kinda where most people wanna be. A series you lose all access to PBO so free performance.

[steel umbra]

B840 is A series in disguise

[thorny saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/theburntpeanut-bungulator-twitch-stare-got-em-gif-13218764415226663824

[hallow jasper]

Yeah, its trash

[jovial swan]

thats the thing i have the A series right now. but i might aswell upgrade the whole machine

[fringe prairie]

isn’t b840 an a620 rebrand?

yeah was gonna say

[jovial swan]

B840 is really cheap though why so tempting

[shy ice]

I built my pc 2 years ago before all the prices ballooned to oblivion

[thorny saddle]

B840 what is going on here

[fringe prairie]

decent b650 boards are like $100-$110

[shy ice]

B550 M is a goated motherboard

[jovial swan]

ok im not going for b840. holy shit its legit a sidegrae to my current mobo

[fringe prairie]

b650m hdv, pro-rs are cheap

[hallow jasper]

Literally the only AM5 based chipset that doesn't use a Promontory 21 chip for the chipset. Like how cheap could they make it

[jovial swan]

https://www.proshop.dk/Bundkort/ASUS-B650E-MAX-GAMING-WIFI-WHITE-Bundkort-AMD-B650-AMD-AM5-socket-DDR5-RAM-ATX/3366685

how is this?

[fringe prairie]

it’s fine

most if not all b650 will work for what i’m assuming is either a 7600/9600 or 7800x3d

[jovial swan]

its a 7700 non X

[fringe prairie]

should still be fine

[steel umbra]

€85?

if that is then good price

[keen folio]

This price stuff is definitely going too far.

[jovial swan]

its 136 euro

[steel umbra]

meh

acceptable ig

[keen folio]

940€ for 64gigs of ddr5 6000…. Gawd daem

[steel umbra]

ram is my best performing asset if i count them lol

my 3090 as well

[keen folio]

Haha yeah same here. I got 4 64 gig ECC sticks still sitting here. Thinking about selling them lol would they go for much used? They are DDR4 tho

[steel umbra]

idk where is the $700 demand for 3090s coming from

[jovial swan]

i found a B850 for 140 euro. deal or nah?

[steel umbra]

4060 and 5060 ti 16gb exists…

[steel umbra]

acceptable

not deal nor no

[wheat torrent]

whos ready for zen6

[steel umbra]

i’m passing

[wheat torrent]

😮 why

[steel umbra]

i decided i better spend money for something else

and also i aint paying launch prices for zen 6

[tawdry coyote]

how do i install kubuntu or tiny 11 internally?

[steel umbra]

i’d rather wait 1 year

[tawdry coyote]

i don't have a usb

[wheat torrent]

ohhh make sense

[steel umbra]

like if there will be i will buy the cheapest chinese exclusive 6 core part that’s not cut on cache

[wheat torrent]

zen 6 should use 2nm I recall

[steel umbra]

considering what intel did with core ultra cpus

i see the nm as just a number

nowadays

[wheat torrent]

I heard the ultra is decent for productivity

[jovial swan]

ignore the norton thing. is this an alright upgrade. for reference my current specs are
Ryzen 7 7700
Asus TUF A620
650 watt PSU
RTX 4070
MSI M371 1 TB SSD

[wheat torrent]

for zen 6 I want to get the best non gaming CPU, not x3d

[brazen glen]

Maybe I’ll upgrade to zen 7 or something but otherwise my 7700x is absolutely cruising for mid-high refresh 1440p on my 9070xt

[steel umbra]

it is but, and good value too at times but i expected better

[wheat torrent]

zen 3 to zen 4 was not that big of a change I recall

[steel umbra]

norton?!?!?!

[brazen glen]

Why are you bothering to upgrade the mobo

Is there something wrong with it or do you need more SSDs

[keen folio]

This is SO going out of hand...

[steel umbra]

might consider getting a better nvme drive and downgrade the motherboard

[carmine yew]

should be fine? no reason it wouldn't detect

[brazen glen]

Love when things that drive economic growth simultaneously cripple discretionary spending heading into the holiday season

[keen folio]

Alright im selling my ram xD might as well get profit from it lol

[jovial swan]

i need the reliability.

[keen folio]

still got some older sticks here which i can use in the meantime haha

[jovial swan]

well what mobo would you reccomend on that website

[keen folio]

Do you have a particular budget?

[brazen glen]

Unless you’re planning to have the system run 24/7 in a low airflow environment there shouldn’t be anything wrong with your current board lol

[jovial swan]

ill ditch the drive for now.

[carmine yew]

I got so stupid lucky at work:
I ordered 3x 32GB Kits at the end of september, and now they've gone up like 300% or something assinine.

It's absolutely bonkers.

[jovial swan]

i have a budget of 3000 DKK max for all

[keen folio]

lemme check whats that in USD

[steel umbra]

which version of proshop

[keen folio]

So around 500USD, right?

[steel umbra]

country

[jovial swan]

dk

[jovial swan]

denmark

[carmine yew]

to build a PC at the 500USD level? you're gonna need to do some used shopping, i'd expect....

[brazen glen]

Personally, unless you’re running into hard limits for connectivity or storage you probably shouldn’t blow money on a motherboard that isn’t going to meaningfully impact gaming

[steel umbra]

b650m hdv /m.2

[carmine yew]

ESPECIALLY given the batshit RAM economy right now

[jovial swan]

it isnt for everything

i just need a new mobo, case and maybe ssd.

[keen folio]

well, it is possible, but only if you buy almost everything used. which i definitily recommend rn with the current market crash

[keen folio]

What CPU u got?

[brazen glen]

What is creating the need aside from the perceived reliability of your current board

[jovial swan]

r7 7700 non x

[jovial swan]

anxiety.

[wheat torrent]

why new mobo?

[keen folio]

For a cheap and good SSD i can recommend the NV3 from Kingston and for a case the Phanteks XT Pro, not that expensive. Motherboard lemme check @jovial swan

[jovial swan]

literally. so anyways

[carmine yew]

If you're on an A620 already? No need to upgrade unless the board is causing problems

[brazen glen]

This is a bad reason to purchase something

[wheat torrent]

youre wasting money

[dull willow]

Oh i thought it was US when i was talking to other people, gotcha

[brazen glen]

You could put all of that money into another SSD

[carmine yew]

A620 is a bad purchase. If you're already on it, it's not worth the$$$ to get a "better" chipset.

[jovial swan]

it is not. ill just get a new case then

[keen folio]

https://www.computersalg.dk/i/10362925/msi-bundkort-atx-socket-am5-amd-b650-chipset-usb-3-2-gen-1-usb-c-3-2-gen2-usb-3-2-gen-2-usb-c-3-2-gen-2x2-2-5-gigabit-lan-wi this is good for your usecase

[fringe prairie]

nv3

[wheat torrent]

you will not gain anything from that motherboard if you don't have a specific use for it

[steel umbra]

not valid three

[keen folio]

been using it for ages, been reliable as fuck

[fringe prairie]

if you get lucky sure

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/kingston-nv3-1-tb.d2162

there’s better options for cheap drives

[carmine yew]

I would not spend 150-200$ USD to "upgrade" a motherboard, if yours is alreaady working.

[jovial swan]

also i want USB C.

[steel umbra]

ermmm it’s unlikely that a nv3 fails but you want that risk to be really low

[carmine yew]

What board do you have?

[brazen glen]

You can get a usb a to c hub and that will cost you 40 bucks

[keen folio]

get the MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI, it got all u need, its relatively cheap at 1200kr and got USB C and WiFi

[brazen glen]

Unless you’re doing high speed transfer for creative work there’s zero reason to tear your whole computer apart lol

[jovial swan]

https://www.proshop.dk/Bundkort/ASUS-TUF-GAMING-A620M-PLUS-Bundkort-AMD-A620-AMD-AM5-socket-DDR5-RAM-Micro-ATX/3158149

[carmine yew]

that much (or less) and buy a PCIE Card with 2 USB C ports

[steel umbra]

failed drive is a loss of files if you haven’t studied some insane stuff on how to pull files out of dead nand for example

[brazen glen]

Dude I’m still so mad I bought an x670e open box without doing research

[carmine yew]

that mobo has a USB C header, so as long as a case has the plug, you should be good

[brazen glen]

Every bios was broken or beta and it lasted all of 10 months

[steel umbra]

any other components fails and it’s fine (probably, unless that part cooks other parts like psu) but if your storage dies you obviously lose your likely precious files

[wheat torrent]

here is the ram prices in my country

[brazen glen]

Never buying an MSI board ever again

[wheat torrent]

it's always been like this

[rose sorrel]

is it okay to leave pc on overnight to afk farms on Minecraft ?

[jovial swan]

oh alr, ill get a new case then might be all i need in that case (no pun intended)

[steel umbra]

model > brand, msi isn’t that bad

[wheat torrent]

yes

[brazen glen]

It was the x670e mag tomahawk

[keen folio]

if its unlikely, why would there be any more risk than any other SSD... Also if you backup properly its not a problem in case it does happen.

[brazen glen]

Total shitshow board

[steel umbra]

it will explode and burn down your house, then your city receives an emergency call that a nuke is heading your way and the culprit was the pc left alone turned on

[brazen glen]

Absolutely perfect connectivity but zero reliability AUGh I’m still mad over it

[wheat torrent]

10 dollars

[steel umbra]

nobody told you what cheaping out is?

[rose sorrel]

lol nah i have a good psu wont expolde lol

[steel umbra]

kingston just takes whatever cheapest available is and meets the spec for their nv series and puts that together

if you think that’s reliable uhhh, no.

[brazen glen]

Kingston at least has (or had?) decent customer service

[keen folio]

i know what it is. and what it means. i havent had any problems with kingston in years. so idk why there would be a problem

[carmine yew]

If you can find one of these, you can use it on your current case:

[steel umbra]

model > brand

[wheat torrent]

tbh if it explodes while using it what can you do

[brazen glen]

I’ve had SSDs from every brand, big or small, die on me in the last few years

[steel umbra]

probably seasonic focus gx gold those popped up nicely

[brazen glen]

Crucial t500 lasted 6 months, my Samsung 970 Evo lasted less than 3 years, Silicon Power SN70 2TB lasted 3 months

[keen folio]

i still got my old Sata SSD in M2 format here, this thing is easily 8 or 10 years old. still works fine and got a couple hundred thousand run hours on it.

[steel umbra]

but no harm to your components sadly

[abstract wigeon]

wtf? 9070xt on ultra graphics?

[keen folio]

from Kingston btw

[brazen glen]

Meanwhile my inland (microcenter bargain brand) drives are flawless lmfao

[steel umbra]

@wheat torrent if you like actual fire hazards and melting capacitors i recommend lian li sp850

[wheat torrent]

nah I love my gamemax psu

[keen folio]

idk why, but the cheap SSDs, (not including aliexpress SSDs) last the longest for me....

[steel umbra]

it’s like a rolling dice

[brazen glen]

Some people are born to have weird luck lol

[steel umbra]

you get a defective unit of kingston and your opinion will instantly switch

[keen folio]

heh yeah.

[wheat torrent]

be like linus

upload it online and hope someone else saves it

[steel umbra]

i mean goes same for other brands and models but with higher quality and well managed ssds cough wd the chance is lowered

[keen folio]

ive ordered around 500 NV3 a few months ago for my work. all, except a single one which was DOA, work flawlessly.

[wheat torrent]

I am lowkey cooked if my ssd dies

[carmine yew]

It's no longer the DOD, it's the DOW now

[brazen glen]

NV3s have been made for at least a few years so you’d think they would have that ironed out

[keen folio]

Just do a proper Backup. Use veeam Agent for windows as example. its free for personal users.

or idk, Acronis true backup, whatever u feel like using

[wheat torrent]

no space for backups

[keen folio]

External Drive.. not that expensive.

[wheat torrent]

expensive

[keen folio]

40€ for a 1tb external HDD...

[steel umbra]

little over a year*

[wheat torrent]

I need to buy a god damn

[keen folio]

https://amzn.eu/d/btZM0y0 Okay 55€, but still

[wheat torrent]

80 here (internal)

[keen folio]

HDDs are cheap AF nowadays

[keen folio]

u looking at SSDs or HDDs?

[wheat torrent]

hdd old ones fucked economy doesnt even matter

[stray portal]

why is cs2 so fun

[keen folio]

country?

[wheat torrent]

republic of moldova

[steel umbra]

important is how long the ssds will last until the computers aren’t in use

[wheat torrent]

anyways

I need to buy some sata to usb I have one and its annoying to swap ssds

I need some dock of some sort

[keen folio]

Daily use, they are used in School Teacher Laptops.

[wheat torrent]

or maybe I should buy an enclosure?

are there even enclosures that work with 3.5" and sata ssds

[keen folio]

yes

[keen folio]

https://amzn.eu/d/3VszWyI

[wheat torrent]

no amazon out here

my problem with those are that the usb cables are always so short

🤔

[tawdry coyote]

linux or tiny 11 for gaming performance (i have a 3050)

[lapis furnace]

hello chat. which macOS version would y'all recommend installing in Virtualbox version 7.2.4?
i tried 2 times with Big Sur 11.7 but i just got stuck for hours at "less than a minute required"

im using the following hardware settings (for the VM):
12GB RAM
3 CPU cores
Bridged network adapter
usb 3.0

[wheat torrent]

windows 11

linux if your games are supported

[tawdry coyote]

you mean tiny 11?

[wheat torrent]

no I mean windows 11

don't use fucked windows ISOs

[tawdry coyote]

windows 11 is not an option.

[ivory mountain]

ewww custom os

[wheat torrent]

you will run into problems it's just a matter of time

[keen folio]

in the end it doesnt matter what Hardware u use, i would recommend using VMWare with the proper patcher.

[ivory mountain]

what games are u playing

[wheat torrent]

linux I am wondering if you will run in issue with nvidia drivers

[ivory mountain]

this too

[tawdry coyote]

this is why i ask

[lapis furnace]

i dont use vmware i use virtualbox

i dont have vmware license

[wheat torrent]

why would you use tiny11

[tawdry coyote]

war thunder command and conquer, factorio, rdr 2 and sometimes MW2 2022

[keen folio]

just download it from chip or something.

[tawdry coyote]

because i hear linux drivers for nvdia cards are brutal

[keen folio]

i mean vmware player

[lapis furnace]

aight

[keen folio]

wait a sec, i still got a install file here

[ivory mountain]

its just personal preference ngl ur not gonna see a massive jump in frames, most of it is margin of error bs

[wheat torrent]

peyto is a huge tiny11 hater

[keen folio]

you prob cant find it anymore

[ivory mountain]

peyton the goat

[lapis furnace]

so vmware has better macOS guest support than virtualbox?

[keen folio]

Yes. in my experience atleast.

i wasnt able to even install MacOS on Virtualbox

[lapis furnace]

alright imma try installing vmware player then

[wheat torrent]

no dlss on linux apparently @tawdry coyote

only in some games

[lapis furnace]

OR grab a vmware workstation license

[tawdry coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-12061360726599077047

[wheat torrent]

if your game work well on linux pick a game ready distro and use it

[azure topaz]

tiny11 is not useful for 99% fo the people who install it

[tawdry coyote]

only thing that made control somewhat playable

[wheat torrent]

also if you play competitive might want to do more research about linux

most anti cheats wont let you open the game

[tawdry coyote]

only reason i want tiny 11 over windows 11 is that half the spyware is gone

[wheat torrent]

[wheat torrent]

half the spyware and everything else

[keen folio]

Sent you a direct download link of my google drive and also some instructions

[azure topaz]

disable telementary, boom done

[ivory mountain]

me when i yap about spyware and install an unofficial windows iso file and login to everything on it

[cosmic idol]

Idk be baller and get ltsc win11

[lapis furnace]

i once installed Atlas OS on a virtual machine and I still regret it

[azure topaz]

this is my htoughts

[wheat torrent]

https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat

[opal dock]

SignalRGB might be the coolest lighting software I've seen. They have a lighting option that shows the electron probability density of hydrogen, and you can change it based on quantum states. As a chemist, I absolutely love this setting lol

[azure topaz]

making ur own tiny11 is cool though but you dont need it

[wheat torrent]

dont just randomly remove everything

you will complain softwares don't work later on

[opal dock]

The users of SignalRGB who post their lighting setups are so creative

[latent gull]

boooo microsoft data collection bad, let me log into google and facebook rq tho

[cosmic idol]

What is telemetry I forgor

[azure topaz]

i only care becaused it slows the computers down

data collection and sending to MS

if you have an old computer thisll take up like 30-60% of your cpu

[cosmic idol]

I mean my pc is alright
But Yk
Less resource overhead would be nice

[wheat torrent]

be like linus and become boring such that no one cares about your data

[azure topaz]

if you have anything kinda modern it doesnt matter

[cosmic idol]

again
I’m just gonna go ltsc win 11

[azure topaz]

my ryzen 5 1400 went from 30-50% idle to 0% with telementary off though which is extremely helpful

[wheat torrent]

for me to solve bloat I just get a cpu with more cores

[cosmic idol]

Rocking that r5 5600
Had it almost since launch lol

[azure topaz]

should be ok

[cosmic idol]

yeh

[azure topaz]

can disable tele in the CTT script tho

i havent done anything to this os

[cosmic idol]

I wanna get more nvme storage
And a hdd to back stuff up onto before I load up ltsc win11 lols

[frigid blade]

@azure topaz im remaking GeForce now locally for fun, wanna give it a test run when its ready? Youll get a VM with no resource limits to test around with

[azure topaz]

are you gonna ddos me afterwards

[frigid blade]

no sar

[cosmic idol]

yes 😍

[azure topaz]

then maybe

[frigid blade]

only if u start mining crypto on it

[lapis furnace]

too many mods out there apparently

[opal dock]

Lmao I just watched that video

[azure topaz]

yeah for the 18 cents a day im going to make

[ivory mountain]

is this not what the "disable telemetry" button does?? 😭

[frigid blade]

hey, my 4090 is pretty sigma

[azure topaz]

that is what it dooes 😭

[tawdry coyote]

so yea i'll just use the kubuntu iso i have installed already anyway

[ivory mountain]

just had to make sure

[tawdry coyote]

tho idk how to install it internally without a usb

[azure topaz]

yes use it is very good and only part of windows that would realistically need debloat

if your computer is slow disable telementary and if its still slow im sorry

[cosmic idol]

I should ask copilot how to debloat win11

[ivory mountain]

i just turned off braves vpn and crypto bullshit, copilot, and telemetry, thats about it

[wheat torrent]

nooo, you use tiny11 then install those optimization softwares!

[ivory mountain]

W opsec

[azure topaz]

run everythign as admin and allow everything through the firewall

[ivory mountain]

just disable the firewall

[cosmic idol]

tiny11 just not that good ngl
Just get ltsc11 and debloat that even further

😍

[azure topaz]

i do all my am4 occ stuff on like

[jovial swan]

https://www.proshop.dk/Kabinet/Phanteks-XT-View-Kabinet-Miditower-Sort/3270280

is this a good case?

[wheat torrent]

do what linus did when installing linux and just delete your whole GUI

[azure topaz]

a bencch optimised os

[azure topaz]

looks good shawty

[lapis furnace]

meanwhile me waiting for my macOS iso to download so I can create a VM

[wheat torrent]

I hate cases

I am huge cases hater

[azure topaz]

burrger cookies

[wheat torrent]

cutting myself in my case while trying to install a new psu was the tipping point

and it's not that small of a case

[azure topaz]

that is a you problem deadass

[wheat torrent]

no it's a case problem

[azure topaz]

dont buy cheap cases with un curled metal 😭

[cosmic idol]

bruger

[wheat torrent]

yes but I don't want to spend a lot on cases

so now I am just using bench cases

[azure topaz]

65 dollar

[wheat torrent]

I live in fucked economy

[azure topaz]

card board

[wheat torrent]

cheapest decent case here is +150

yes I am using bench cases from china

literally a sheet metal cut

[azure topaz]

yeah i have one

[wheat torrent]

then I made a diy cover

[carmine yew]

Bruger's Bagels?

[ashen ridge]

hi therealbilly

[azure topaz]

my bomb

[cosmic idol]

hey..?

[cosmic idol]

sure

[azure topaz]

its beautiful isnt it

[cosmic idol]

You’re the bomb floppa
(Or maybe your pc is)

[wheat torrent]

I made a hard cover from fence wire

[azure topaz]

that pc lowkey is a bomb that psu is hella old but its for am4 oc it dont matter

[carmine yew]

20 years ago LiteOn was the shizz...

I don't remember when I last saw a product of theirs though

[azure topaz]

yeah im confident its a good power supply its just old

it clearly still works and allowed me to get top 5 on 5700G so its not the limiter lol

[cosmic idol]

I’m going to eat your silicon

[azure topaz]

42nd week of 09 is when that psu was made

barely skipping the cap plague

[azure topaz]

take the am4

do you want the partially degraded IMC 13900KS

[cosmic idol]

Yes

[azure topaz]

its also delidded

[cosmic idol]

Hell yeah
I’ll take it

[azure topaz]

shipping it to aus wouldnt even be that much surprisingl;y

maybe when my sister upgrades off herr 12700K ill send it ur way

i have known you like 4 years afterall

[cosmic idol]

Hell yeahhhh 🔥

[ashen ridge]

thk u for accepting my friend request

[cosmic idol]

I haven’t 😭

[azure topaz]

the 13900KS is my first big boy cpu and i think its just gonna rest

[cosmic idol]

Yeah
Shits kinda crazy

[lapis furnace]

chat im soooo tempted to buy this but i have already spent €200+ on other upgrades
makes me hesitate much

[cosmic idol]

like I’ve known some people online longer than most of my absolute best friends irl lmao

[cosmic idol]

I need to get parts
Apparently I’m the only one in my friend group smart enough to host stuff

[azure topaz]

😭 😭

[night delta]

5700g....

want....

[azure topaz]

if pcs were cheap to ship so far id send you one for serving but thats just too much money

my old X99 (C612) (xeon v4) workstation has gotta go

[cosmic idol]

💔

Yeah that’s probably something stupid like
120usd

[azure topaz]

yeah basically the cost of the machine

i mean i paid 80 for it so more

[azure topaz]

why

bro sees a 13900KS and 5700G and choosees the 5700G? 😭 😭

[night delta]

i have and hp shtbox that has a 5600g.

[azure topaz]

so whats the 5700G gonna do

[night delta]

max cpu is 5700g

[azure topaz]

yeah max cpu means nothing

you get 2 cores and 0% more gaming performance

[cosmic idol]

2 core tho

[night delta]

well i dont have a 12th gen system

[azure topaz]

a non G cpu like a 5600 or something would blast it ooutta the water

[night delta]

yes however, it only takes G cpus.

[azure topaz]

yeah i get that what im saying is that you shouldnt want to upgrade that system any further because you get nowhere

[quaint hatch]

yallo

[cosmic idol]

I’m gonna upgrade my sisters rig from an 8100 to an 8700 lmao

[azure topaz]

there is a point where it is more effective to start saving up for a new pc than to do relatively tiny upgrades to hold you off yknow

[night delta]

^^

that one

[azure topaz]

the arc card is weird

does that HP bios have rebar and such?

[night delta]

came with an 6500 xt 8gb, rebar was enabled

[azure topaz]

6500XT 8GB's are rare fyi

[cosmic idol]

If I found a 5800x3d I’ll probably do that as my next cpu lol

[azure topaz]

do you still have it?

[night delta]

yeah?

[azure topaz]

can get good prices to some people on ebay, the 8GB variants are way harder to come by

[night delta]

what is even the demand on one of those shtboxes

[quaint hatch]

is the AMD Ryzen 7 8700F a usable cpu for casual gaming

[azure topaz]

i wouldnt buy it for gaming no

[azure topaz]

why 8700F?

odd choice

[quaint hatch]

i just got a prebuilt with it

[azure topaz]

why did you aska fter bought it

it doesnt matter our answer, enjoy the pc

[night delta]

its not even good for an HTPC or streaming box setup...dosent have H264 encoding

[quaint hatch]

wassat mean

[azure topaz]

its an F cpu..

[night delta]

i meant my 6500 xt

[azure topaz]

it means you made a stupid decision 3 times

[tawdry coyote]

how do i dual boot install with no usb

[cosmic idol]

Post purchase validation to feel less bad about spending lots of money idk

[azure topaz]

generally you shouldnt ask if a purchase is good after you make it

[night delta]

its rare but it dosent really help it that much tbh

[azure topaz]

nah but you could probably get 40-50$ more than normal

id chuck it up on ebay or something idk

[azure topaz]

oh yeah no the cards are ass

[azure topaz]

its a lot slower than a 7500F or 7600/X

[quaint hatch]

I see

[night delta]

thats why i said want 5700g

[cosmic idol]

Fr?

[azure topaz]

yeah

[night delta]

cuz this shtbox only takes G cpus

[azure topaz]

8700F/G has same pitfalls that am4 G skus had

[cosmic idol]

[azure topaz]

halved cache and pcie lanes

all ryzen 8000 skus have this issue btw

[night delta]

the great thing about the arc card is that its not loud anymore

[azure topaz]

thats good

i dont imagine the HP oem card had fan stop

[night delta]

nope.

[azure topaz]

amd is very scummy and doesnt list the lane count on the 8700G anymore

[night delta]

its even worse cuz its running at gen 3 x4

[azure topaz]

yeah

[ivory mountain]

i love when my hwinfo spd hub temperature just doesnt work

[azure topaz]

over certain temps the SPDs freak out

its not hwinfo issue its a hw issue

like at 47c and exactly 47c, my old sticks used to drop out entirely in every monitoring software

but if they got hotter or colder by one step theyd come back

[night delta]

Have you seen a more pathetic cooling solution

I didnt until this

[azure topaz]

its basically a laptop chip but yes

2 displayouts is more sad

[night delta]

65c max load with 85c hotspot btw even with ptm

[ivory mountain]

thats strange lol, during tm5 overnight theyd sometimes hit 50 at 1.6 but they never stopped working until today

good to know tho