tech-chat-1

[ebon marlin]

I wouldn't recommend linux on a device you main daily

[void eagle]

vscode is good but thats the exception rather than the rule

[winged sky]

Photoshop also works on linux now i believe, or that could have also been a wine compat

[void eagle]

either scam or lying about condition

if you do get it check the drive status

[ebon marlin]

Ask to see SMART details

[random gyro]

fair point, i could shove my extra 120gb ssd in my laptop and dualboot

[random gyro]

really? :0

[void eagle]

i know it does w pirated versions

idk about the legit DRM/spyware thing adobe uses (DRM is spyware)

[ebon marlin]

Worth a try to experience it but personally I already run Linux Ubuntu Server and Fedora on my steam deck and it's already a headache as is

[winged sky]

Slightly older than brand new but yes https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/s/kVHZrkDUXp

[random gyro]

can it work with photoshop CS6? :>

(the best version of photoshop no lie)

[void eagle]

yeah

[random gyro]

yayyyy

[void eagle]

it can

[winged sky]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-yeah-i-use-linux-gigachad-chad-arch-linux-gif-26093280

[void eagle]

though you cant buy it legit anymore and i cant offer advice on how to get it here

[random gyro]

but microsoft publisher....

[void eagle]

i wish i could because adobe deserves to burn in hell

they wanted like $80 to cancel a free trial, fuck them

[winged sky]

Always pirate Nintendo and Adobe products. Its the right thing to do

[random gyro]

why do i use it? well it has some formatting options that isnt in word

[void eagle]

libreoffice or be a true chad and learn LaTeX

its the ultimate at formatting stuff

[random gyro]

yeah good point

[void eagle]

although it looks like this

[random gyro]

i can also learn adobe indesign so

[void eagle]

but it produces this beautiful output

[random gyro]

thats amazing

what distro though...

[void eagle]

you basically write in its programming language and can compile to PDF, HTML, whatever else

TeX Live is the recommended LaTeX distro i belive

[random gyro]

no im referring to linux

[void eagle]

oh sorry im a bit too autistic

I use Endeavour OS myself (Arch based, btw) but if youre new id recommend Fedora or Mint

[random gyro]

me too...me too...

[random gyro]

im not new hehe

ive downloaded the stupid joke distros on my devices before o.o

AmogOS on a shitty toshiba...

[void eagle]

okay then use arch or something

[void eagle]

im a girl

[buoyant bridge]

say sike rn

I only have 8 firefox tabs open.

and electtorrent is a fucking electron app

[gray sierra]

not saying it to you buddy

[buoyant bridge]

2GB is just rendering the firefox home page btw.

(active tab is the firefox home page)

[void eagle]

windows moment

[buoyant bridge]

if only AMD didn't block you from linux on pro hardware.

[void eagle]

?

wdym? amd has linux drivers baked in to the kernel

[buoyant bridge]

the AMD Pro hardware is required to not be able to run Linux and be pro enabled.

[random gyro]

hell yeah

[buoyant bridge]

doesn't matter AMD forces OEMs to require secure boot be forced on and disable secureboot key enrollment aswell as not enroll secureboot keys capable of booting a linux OS (excluding paid RHEL) FOR PRO HARDWARE.

[random gyro]

i can finally "i use arch btw" to my friends

[void eagle]

AI disproved you and linked sources to disprove you

[buoyant bridge]

I have a Thinkpad T14s G6 AMD PRO, the Standard AMD model, Intel model, and Pro DISABLED pro model can but the regular PRO model cannot

[void eagle]

The user's premise is incorrect;
AMD PRO hardware is fully compatible with Linux, and AMD specifically provides "PRO" software editions and open-source drivers for various Linux distributions. It does not require Windows to be "PRO enabled."
AMD is known for its strong, open-source support for Linux, with drivers for both CPUs and GPUs being integrated directly into the Linux kernel and the MESA user-space libraries, providing a hassle-free experience for most users.
Key points regarding AMD PRO hardware and Linux:

• Official Linux Support: AMD offers official, proprietary drivers known as AMD Software: PRO Edition for Linux for specific enterprise distributions like Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), Ubuntu, and Oracle Linux.
• Open-Source Advantage: For most users, the open-source drivers already included in the Linux kernel are sufficient and often perform as well as or better than the proprietary drivers for general use and gaming. This means that the hardware generally "just works" out of the box with modern Linux distributions.
• Specific Features: The proprietary AMD PRO drivers are typically only needed for specific professional functionalities, such as certain compute acceleration libraries (ROCm, for example) used in machine learning and AI applications.
• Broad Compatibility: AMD processors, including Ryzen and Threadripper, work well with all standard Linux distributions. The lead developer of the Linux kernel is known to use an all-AMD machine

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-PRO-LIN-24-Q1.html

on top of that..

maybe its not as good supported as consumer hardware, but i see no reason it wouldnt work

[buoyant bridge]

okay so show me how to disable secureboot or enroll mok keys on the Thinkpad T14s G6 and HP zbook Ultra G1a

[void eagle]

probably in the BIOS?

it depends on your organization

[buoyant bridge]

I own the laptops personally

[void eagle]

id be fucking shocked if you cant disabel it at all

[buoyant bridge]

they both say "Due to AMD policy Secure boot is required on this model, Please contact (mfg) for options in switching to a non pro model to disable this feature"

both are PRO models with a PRO chipset

[void eagle]

the fuck? ive ltierally never heard of this

maybe its very recent???

[ebon marlin]

Makes sense as firefox is garbage

[buoyant bridge]

started with Ryzen 7000 PRO

[void eagle]

IceCat supremacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat

[buoyant bridge]

I have another Zbook Ultra G1a with a Intel CPU and my buddy has a non PRO amd model that notice isn't present on them

[ebon marlin]

Free version of a free product? What?

[buoyant bridge]

AND i contacted lenovo support they offered to exchange my T14s for a non PRO model for an additional $150 or a Intel model for free. on a basis of the fact they had forgotten to list these laptops are locked to specific OSes on the product page

[void eagle]

theres a difference between libre and free

steam is free, but it is not libre

icecat is entirely libre because it removes all non-free (proprietary) code from firefox

[buoyant bridge]

anyways I'm waiting on my Intel T14s g6 so I can run Solus again.

[void eagle]

but its also firefox without AI bloat

[buoyant bridge]

they've also been locking the CPUs to OEMs and Boards on pro systems for awhile now.

[buoyant bridge]

still has the shitty quantum engine

[ebon marlin]

Firefox already itself is bloat without bloat

[buoyant bridge]

99% of firefox's issues stem from fucking quantum

[void eagle]

whats the alternative you suggest

chrome is some AI browser slopfest now

[buoyant bridge]

ladybird exists.

[void eagle]

yeah i miss the old design

[buoyant bridge]

webkit exists.

[void eagle]

and is broken on 99% of sites

[buoyant bridge]

it's litterally a compatible of chromium

[void eagle]

aside from safari what uses it?

[buoyant bridge]

the default web browser in gnome???

[ebon marlin]

Edge for example is miles better than any other browser after a couple clicks

[void eagle]

no, ladybird is the DIY browser by the serenity os team

[buoyant bridge]

^

[buoyant bridge]

it's a feature set parity to chromium.

[void eagle]

nah you could not pay me enough to use edge

[ebon marlin]

Lightest and fastest Chromium browser that doesnt suck ass

[void eagle]

no????? are you thinking of something else???

[buoyant bridge]

it has the best prefetch setup imo

[void eagle]

last time i itried it couldnt render youtube

[ebon marlin]

One of the best mainstream chromium browsers out there

[void eagle]

thats maybe its eventual goal, but it is nowhere near there

[ebon marlin]

From what I've gathered about you in these conversations is that you just don't really like anything that's popular/mainstream

[buoyant bridge]

edge's prefetch makes chrome look like a fucking joke and makes most linux distros with it look like a joke.

its so good at predicting shit its unreal

[void eagle]

edge is just even mroe enshittified chromium

[ebon marlin]

?

Edge is literally one of the best browsers out there

[void eagle]

its chromium with the "added trust and safety of microsoft" as they put it

[jaunty apex]

Microsoft Google Chromium Explorer

[void eagle]

yeah no thats fucking delusional

edge is literally awful

[buoyant bridge]

firefox has no excuse for its poor memory use like 60% of ur memory in chromium browsers can just be dropped at any point as needed since its for prefetch. firefox doesn't do prefetch nor do any firefox forks (which is why they're all so slow at loading stuff)

[ebon marlin]

Have you ever used Edge

[void eagle]

chromium is okay but now its being AI-ified

[void eagle]

yes, have you? lol

[ebon marlin]

Yes I main it

[void eagle]

unfortunate

[ebon marlin]

For a good reason

[void eagle]

enjoy your bing i guess

[buoyant bridge]

I used to main edge on linux

[jaunty apex]

Meanwhile people maining operagx

[ebon marlin]

So you haven't used Edge before lmao

[jaunty apex]

[void eagle]

i have it, it was awful

[random gyro]

epic battlestation?

[buoyant bridge]

you can just change it to searx and disable more of its telemtry than you can in vanilla firefox in like 15 mins and on firefox it'd take a gazilion years to do something even half as well

[void eagle]

what are those keycaps

[random gyro]

its a random keyboard i bought online, mostly cuz its cute :3

[jaunty apex]

Wait what lol

[void eagle]

and you just have to TRUST it will stay disabled because its not open source

[buoyant bridge]

in typical microsoft fashion there is actual telemtry toggles :sob;

[gray sierra]

mochi have you played life is strange

[random gyro]

no, why?

[gray sierra]

what about last of us

[ebon marlin]

With these kinds of people it's literally impossible to argue against them they're so hellbent on the worst opinions ever

[buoyant bridge]

I used it for 3 years and it never ONCE turned it back on excluding the new frame work transfer causing canvas resistance to turn off because it was changed so heavily.

[void eagle]

youre literally using a closed source browser made by one of the most infamous companies for data mining and resetting settings

[random gyro]

ive heard of it, havnt played it yet though :(

[void eagle]

god speed to you, but im not crazy enough to do that

[ebon marlin]

Can you name me a company that doesn't datamine in the big 2025

Everyone does it atp

[jaunty apex]

I mean I was kinda with them till they pulled this take. Because profiles.js and or librewolf exists

[buoyant bridge]

I have systems that have updated to Windows 8.1 to 10 to 11 that have had their privacy settings stay the exact same since they where set in 2013-2014

[void eagle]

Mozilla, Linux Foundation, Red Hat, ..

[ebon marlin]

You're spending way too much of your time being paranoid

[left trellis]

Whyd he stop respindin

[void eagle]

And youre not spending enough time caring about your privacy like you should. People like you are the reason companies can exploit their userbase and sell their data. Do better.

[buoyant bridge]

Linux foundation does somewhat for oracle now, redhat is a databroker LMFAO, Mozilla does too

like you listed a fucking databroker in your companies that "don't datamine" 😭

[ebon marlin]

It's 2025 you don't have any kind of privacy no matter what you do you can't do anything about it

[void eagle]

Occasional telemetry != sending your typing information to their servers

[jaunty apex]

Canonical go brr

[void eagle]

Yeah, because of people like you who dont care because "they have nothing to hide". Get a grip.

[buoyant bridge]

Redhat litterally sells your address and legal name to companies 😭

[ebon marlin]

I'm telling you these kinds of people are impossible to argue with they're special kind of special

[void eagle]

Okay so maybe not them

[buoyant bridge]

linux foundation provides data to another company that does that too

[jaunty apex]

Sources tho

[limpid dune]

oh fuuuuuuuck the Debian servers know that my Proxmox system runs 6.14.11-4-pve and not 6.8.0-pve

[buoyant bridge]

Linux Foundation shares data with oracle thats the source 😭

[jaunty apex]

That's not a source but alr

[buoyant bridge]

mozilla's telemtry is a oracle product too lmfao

[ebon marlin]

The mcdonalds app after finding out that i like burgers

[buoyant bridge]

(oracle one of the absolute worst data brokers)

[void eagle]

Sources: They pull it out of their ass because they are so upset that I said Edge is a POS that spies on you more than the KGB in the 50s

[buoyant bridge]

you vill eat the burgers

[ebon marlin]

You're the only person that sounds upset here ngl

[buoyant bridge]

newer firefox ESR versions are maintained by oracle too lol

[void eagle]

Because people like you who dont care piss me off, tbh

[jaunty apex]

I have a system for that

[ebon marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

[azure topaz]

you can turn off the data mining in edge and doing that makes it on par with chrome

if not more,because edge supports DV and other stuff that chrome doesnt

[void eagle]

At what point do you release that the convinience is not worth the tradeoff

[buoyant bridge]

companies that don't work with oracle are INFINITELY more trust worthy than fucking companies that out source their ESR maintence to a company known for being one of the absolute worst for data mining 😭

[limpid dune]

I have touched enough microsoft products to know that The Taint never wears off

[ebon marlin]

But muh firefox is better despite eating 5gb of ram with 8 tabs

[buoyant bridge]

its not even inconvient in edge to turn off the data mining

[azure topaz]

yeah totally

[buoyant bridge]

its like 3 flags. you need to use 50 or so in firefox and like 30 in chrome

[jaunty apex]

Don't play Minecraft God forbid

[void eagle]

I do not trust them to respect my preferences, that is why I dont use Edge

Windows 11 is proof of the fact that they dont care what you disable, let alone their users

[azure topaz]

\

[buoyant bridge]

the buisness versions of W11 do respect it lmfao

[ebon marlin]

Firefox is genuinely one of the worst browsers out there

[azure topaz]

thats not a hot take i agree

[buoyant bridge]

its the home version that does NOT respect your changes you cant offically make

[void eagle]

You use Edge, you have no say in this matter

[buoyant bridge]

microsoft products respect the changes they allow you to make, 3rd party tweaks break with updates.

[void eagle]

I laugh at people that use Edge unironically

[limpid dune]

that is a hot take, Safari exists

[jaunty apex]

I never assumed windows respected my preferences since after 7 ngl

[buoyant bridge]

its not even a hot take 😭

[azure topaz]

laughing at someone for their browser choice shows that you may need help

[void eagle]

Chrome is at least a good browser and not filled with Microsoft bloatware

[ebon marlin]

Slow as shit, hungry as shit for your ram and alot of work apps literally do not work like Google Meet or Microsoft's site

[nimble garden]

Is LTT still looking for that refrigerant for their super cooler machine?

[jaunty apex]

If you use windows you may as well.just use edge ngl

[void eagle]

It wasnt meant that seriously, but its still a bad choice

[buoyant bridge]

gnu icecat isn't any better if anything its worse cus its based on esr iirc?

[void eagle]

hell id sooner put 64 GB of RAM in my PC to satisfy Firefoxs nature than ever use Edge

[ebon marlin]

I tried giving firefox a chance at one point and that didn't last long when I couldn't even access my school stuff lmao

[limpid dune]

you've been playing minecraft for 20 hours, please drink some water and maybe have a nap

[void eagle]

let me guess, Microsoft stuff?

[buoyant bridge]

I just afk a lot.

[ebon marlin]

Google stuff

[void eagle]

Okay how does it not work w Google Docs

[buoyant bridge]

I haven't been actually playing for more than like 30 mins 😭

[void eagle]

I use it fine in Firefox

[buoyant bridge]

the google docs integrations are super broken on firefox browsers and a lot of schools require them

[ebon marlin]

Google docs is not what I use for school

[limpid dune]

??? I've heard firefox does have slight compatibility problems but I've never personally had them

[buoyant bridge]

if you had an AMD gpu for like 5 years they'd just not work flat out.

[void eagle]

wdym integrations

[void eagle]

Yeah this ^

[ebon marlin]

Google classroom and google meet is what I used for school

[limpid dune]

also, the forbidden option: build Chrome from source, no Google

[azure topaz]

or just download chromium

[buoyant bridge]

docs has a integrations plugin to allow it to maintain similar speed to chromium browsers. and adds a few local features, its imfamously broken on firefox. aswell as buisnesses and schools typically requiring it.

[void eagle]

Ungoogled Chromium is goated

[azure topaz]

or ungoogled chromium

[void eagle]

I used to use it for a while

[azure topaz]

google's sync features are pretty great though so im good

[buoyant bridge]

firefox sync has been fine for me, thats the main reason i haven't switched.

you cant disable most of the telemtry on chromium browsers or edge without also disabling all capability for syncing

[limpid dune]

also if Ladybird becomes stable I'm 100% switching to that

[buoyant bridge]

^ same

[azure topaz]

yeah thats why i disable the optional features and call it good i dont really have a place to gaf

i literally work with the people who are stealing my data often, i kinda dont have a choice here

[buoyant bridge]

I dont really have a big issue with firefox's shit resource usage but holy fuck its embarrasing to mozilla

[limpid dune]

finna run google'd Chrome with each tab in a seperate VM

[jaunty apex]

Oh that wasn't even targeted lmao I didn't realize they were actively on it

[azure topaz]

nobody should have a genuine issue with browser resource management

[buoyant bridge]

one of the biggest reasons firefox's resource usage is every tab is esentially a seperate container.

[buoyant bridge]

firefox browsers can do that on low end and even midrange systems

[ebon marlin]

Few years ago when Edge was actually shit I used a bat file to get rid of Edge and I can't install Edge back so I'm contemplating a full system reset to get Edge back to working lmao

[limpid dune]

They all do this, it actually makes a lot of sense, but it's annoying that assets have to be duplicated

[azure topaz]

there should be no system today that struggles to run any brwoser

[buoyant bridge]

I have a 12900KF and 128GB of DDR5 (and Im about to switch over to a Xeon W9 when i get the time to swap my board n shit)

[jaunty apex]

Till it crashes anyway

[azure topaz]

^

[buoyant bridge]

firefox has issues on systems with 16GB of ram 😭

low end is slowly starting to become 16GB but rn its still 8GB

[azure topaz]

nobody here has come here with issues on firefox and ram usage idk

[azure topaz]

its 16gb

i cannot deploy machines at work with 8gb

[buoyant bridge]

electron app vs firefox

[azure topaz]

everyone has an issue at some point w/8gb

[limpid dune]

the Windows taskbar is made using Javascript off of the Edge engine, so it's not really possible to fully uninstall it

[buoyant bridge]

my company doesn't use anything less than 32 anymore

[jaunty apex]

Why torrenting app in electron

Why not qt

[buoyant bridge]

its for a remote torrent client

electorrent is for connecting to qt instance lol

[azure topaz]

i upgrade users on a per need basis past 16

unless they have machines that do auto cad, then by default those get 32

[buoyant bridge]

qt can run headless on a server and I prefer it cus I dont need to have my desktop vpn'd 24/7 (vpns are useless besides hiding ur IP)

[limpid dune]

to be fair to Firefox: firefox will deallocate things if it experiences memory pressure, kinda like what games do with VRAM, so it's not 100% fair to look at unpressured memory usage and say "big number!"

[azure topaz]

ram usage is dynamic to how much you have

[buoyant bridge]

at what point cus 91% of my RAM is in use rn so.

[azure topaz]

91 is not 100%=not pressured

unused ram is bad ram

if there is unused ram you are okay

[buoyant bridge]

and 2GB of firefox's memory usage is litterally from the GPU process while looking at the firefox home page.

[azure topaz]

if the program and or os isnt complaining about lack of memory its not a problem

[jaunty apex]

This annoys me though. I like efficiency and I know that makes the workload more efficient but still

[buoyant bridge]

unused ram is wasted ram

[jaunty apex]

Small number make me happy

[buoyant bridge]

having open ram is inefficent by design.

[limpid dune]

I tell you hwhat bobby, I paid for the whole RAM I'm using the whole RAM

[azure topaz]

its true though

having a rig with 64 and never going over 32 is wasteful

[buoyant bridge]

this is how you SHOULD treat it, still I want more RAM for cad.

[pulsar root]

Is there any difference between 4x8gb 2x16GB other than one is more sticks than the other

[azure topaz]

no

[limpid dune]

my 32GB linux system sits at like 5GB usage 99% of the time, it's only when I fire up 7Zip or CAD or BeamNG or something that I actually use it

[jaunty apex]

What he playing, marble blast gold?

[azure topaz]

one iss more ranks and may make a moderate difference (less than 2%)

on DDR5 2 vs 4 sticks does matter but thats DDR4 stuff

please do not buy 8GB DDR5

[buoyant bridge]

I took a xeon W9 board that had been taken out of inventory by the IT team with its CPU ( w9-3495X) and 256GB of DDR5 lol

[limpid dune]

2x16 will probably run faster than 4x8 sticks (depends on what the kits are rated for), unless you are using a weird socket or have an actual 4-stick kit

[azure topaz]

not really on d4 tbh

[buoyant bridge]

I just havent torn my PC apart to swap it in yet, might build a new PC for it tbh.

[azure topaz]

like yes but its unimportant

faster as in 5000 vs 4800mhz (arbitrary) whicch youre not doing in a normal system

[buoyant bridge]

"intel CPUs can use 300W" the one im about to use can use like 500

power efficency is a scam

[azure topaz]

dawg i made my 13900KS draw 425W youre talking to the wrong person

my daily config on it was 390w

[buoyant bridge]

by DEAFULT my new CPU uses upto 420W

[limpid dune]

nahhh, my old DDR3 NAS dropped from 2133 to 2000 stable when I went from two to four DIMMs, it might not be as important on older RAMs but it's there

[azure topaz]

thats 133mhz

thats no performance loss

[random gyro]

am so tempted to build a reverse sleeper build

[azure topaz]

2GB of memory bandwidth

[buoyant bridge]

DDR3 is the most stable RAM platform prove me wrong.

[azure topaz]

called a ricer build

[random gyro]

fishtank pc case but theres a core 2 duo inside 🔥

[azure topaz]

how can this even be proven

anything ECC is equal stability in my eyes

all generations of ram have had ECC

[cursive laurel]

i’m trying to upgrade my pc but the only thing i wanna keep is my gpu are these good parts to put with my rtx 3080?

[buoyant bridge]

DDR3 wouldn't even sweat 4 dpc on a lot of platforms DDR5 sweats 2 dpc on some.

[azure topaz]

DDR5 in itself has a shitty form of ECC even on consumer sticks

[azure topaz]

this is because physics

[buoyant bridge]

fair.

[azure topaz]

DDR5 on 4 sticks has no issues at 4000 or 4400mhz

ddr5 on 4 sticks will have issues at 6000mhz

this is not because ddr5 sucks

[limpid dune]

shoutout to the Xeon W-3175X, which STILL holds the all time record of most power put into a CPU (some overclocks hit 5.7GHz on all 28 cores using 1350W)

[azure topaz]

keep in mind this is well over double ddr3 lol

[fringe prairie]

this is terrible, why not just spend less on half of this crap and get a better gpu

why are you going raptor lake asw

[solar moat]

ddr3 /ddr4 dose have problem with 2dpc

[azure topaz]

minor

[random gyro]

ikr, fish tank case

pull a pc case from an old broken desktop instead 🔥

[ebon marlin]

They're calling this the worst pc build of 2025

[limpid dune]

this might be ragebait bro

[azure topaz]

filter by price ass computer

[cursive laurel]

because the gpu is to much to upgrade why upgrade if i dont have the other parts to keep up with it i would rather buy the other parts then the gpu yk?

[azure topaz]

what

i had a stroke reading that and died

[cursive laurel]

goddamn is it that bad?

[random gyro]

pls get yourself an amd

[azure topaz]

the whole thing

[random gyro]

intel is good but amd is better

[cursive laurel]

oh nah

[azure topaz]

throw it away

[cursive laurel]

nah mane don’t say that

[azure topaz]

watch reviews on modern parts and their value

[cursive laurel]

i thought i did good

[azure topaz]

or ask nicely for someone here to make you PC part picker list

i suggest that option if youre lazy

[limpid dune]

get yourself a 7800X3D, a half decent B650 motherboard, a nice Samsung SSD that isn't ridiculous, and you'll enjoy more frames for less money and a CPU that won't self-destruct

[vale lotus]

Say I had like $1k-$1.3k to spend and need a laptop what should I get

[azure topaz]

guys i literally put 1.55+ volts into my 13900KS i think the degredation issues may have been overblown

[south arrow]

Just make sure amps isnt set to 4096+ or anything crazy most modern bios should've fixed it but checking what the cpu is set to in bios can prevent bad times

[random gyro]

what kinda usecase?

[azure topaz]

the same AMD cpus explode bro 💀

[cursive laurel]

thank you for the help didn’t know it was that bad gahlee

[vale lotus]

Gaming and programming and everyday use probably mainly gaming honestly

[random gyro]

would you use the battery a lot?

[azure topaz]

oops thats the baller one

[vale lotus]

Like running it on just battery?

[azure topaz]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HcJcJn

here

[random gyro]

yeah, like bringing it outside or hell, using it in the kitchen

[azure topaz]

parts may have to be swapped around but its a good base

[south arrow]

Looks solid will crush any title

[fringe prairie]

yes start here

[gray sierra]

everybodys laughing in my mind

[vale lotus]

I'm most likely not gonna use it outside no and probably mainly plugged up

[south arrow]

Im just coping fams

[random gyro]

good, that also ticks off portability so you can get off with a thicker laptop

[azure topaz]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4nk2h7

the ram is insanely overkill but its cheapest/gb between 2x16 and 2x24

[vale lotus]

Ehh I'm kinda in the middle of laptop thickness

[gray sierra]

rumours spreading bout this other

[vale lotus]

I don't want something crazy thin but not something crazy thick

[random gyro]

a gaming laptop would be good for this use then, you have options like the acer nitro V and rog strix are good.

[azure topaz]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CdN86Q
amd gpu version:

[random gyro]

make sure you get a laptop with atleast 16 gb of ram and 512 gb ssd storage though

[vale lotus]

Yeah definitely

[vale lotus]

Any specific models

[cursive laurel]

what website should i order from which is the cheapest but trust worthy

[vale lotus]

Probably amazon or newegg

[random gyro]

anything from the 15 inch nitro 5(or V)/rog strix series really

[azure topaz]

the PCPP list shows you

build your lists thru pcpp always

[random gyro]

what games do u play?

[cursive laurel]

okay

[azure topaz]

generally will have the cheaper stuff, you can buy everythng thruy what it shows you

[vale lotus]

Shooting games mainly and racing

[random gyro]

what specifically though?

shooter games can mean anything, you could be playing unreal tournament 2004 or you could be playing counter strike 2

[fringe prairie]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hNJJ6Q

ts or replace with 9070xt

[random gyro]

same with racing games

[vale lotus]

These are some from my library

[azure topaz]

7800X3D is still ike 415$ and imo not worth it

[cosmic stratus]

Finnally got some ptm7950 on my vega 56 who has to sip air in its current position

[azure topaz]

rather save 100$ or even 200 by getting a 9600X

[vale lotus]

Yes some are easy to run but those I don't really play anymore

[random gyro]

im sure you can get away with a 4050 or 4060

you plan on doing anything productivity wise?

[azure topaz]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6wMzqH

here is my more budget oriented list:

[stark kiln]

aesthetic picture

[azure topaz]

still modern, all on gen parts, kinda what i want from a PC im buying evetrything brand new for

[cursive laurel]

what’s a good motherboard for 500 to 600$

[buoyant bridge]

didn't one of the W9s go to 1950

[azure topaz]

no were not doing this

youre reading what we told you and thats kinda it

[vale lotus]

Software programming sometimes

[cursive laurel]

yeah but i wanna spend a lil more then what you put

[buoyant bridge]

@limpid dune W9 broke that record https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de9nVyhdZH4

[random gyro]

you can get away with i5/ryzen 5

[azure topaz]

theres literally 4 pcs here with basically as good as you can get performance wise

paying more does not get you a faster computer at this point

you will be paying double or more than double for less than double the performance

[cosmic stratus]

U would love the way I routed the gpu cables

[buoyant bridge]

mine look better

[cosmic stratus]

Probably

[vale lotus]

For that yeah but I want to have more performance than that for other things because some are more intense to run

[limpid dune]

chatgpt ahh video. but damn that's insane

[cosmic stratus]

Mines a souped up dell workstation with rgb and two gpus

[random gyro]

ooh, multi threading i assume, core i7/ryzen 7 it is then

[buoyant bridge]

Why does ur budget PC have 2 gpus

Unless ur doing heavy ass compute worlds there's only downsides to dual gpus. This is how I ran my GPU cable btw

[azure topaz]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqL86Q

my "baller" budget rig:

[stark kiln]

ur right bro i am a fan, thats the typa build i live for bro

[cosmic stratus]

The vega 56 is 75 bucks and the 6800 is 275.. bought the rx 6800 using a check from the gov

[random gyro]

no way this is budget

[azure topaz]

budget does not mean cheap

[stark kiln]

tuff

[azure topaz]

the word before "budget" also matters

[random gyro]

oh yeah

baller budget fair enuff

[azure topaz]

budget is nothing but a set amount of money

[random gyro]

english is my second language 🗣️

[azure topaz]

hamburger

[cosmic stratus]

He says budget and then I see a 9800 x3d

[buoyant bridge]

unless ur doing compute just take the Vega out you'll get better performance

[random gyro]

ikr

[limpid dune]

generally speaking: ryzen 5 is "one slow-ish CCD", ryzen 7 is "one fast CCD", and ryzen 9 is "two fast CCDs", so there is generally very little difference between 7 and 9 unless you are doing multithreaded stuff that needs >8 cores

[azure topaz]

you cannot get more than this without paying 3000$ for a graphics card

[cosmic stratus]

Vega is just for LSFG when my rx 6800 isnt able to max 165 fps out of my monitor

[buoyant bridge]

is intel still doing the thing where for gamers theres no reason to really go above an i5

[buoyant bridge]

???

[limpid dune]

they don't make i5s any more, but yeah, the core 245K is pretty much where it's at in the budget intel meta rn

[buoyant bridge]

why would u do that

[azure topaz]

Ultra 5

[gray sierra]

inev which gpu

[azure topaz]

the 265K is way better value wise

[buoyant bridge]

dont they still have basically the same ipc from a 5 to a 9

[random gyro]

@vale lotus do u wanna bring it to dms so that i can send u some reccomendations without plaguing this discoed server with links?

[azure topaz]

245K is like 220$ atp spend a lil more and get a 265K

[cosmic stratus]

It works for AI and super large blender workloads, thats it lmao

Oh and lsfg ofc

[vale lotus]

Sure

[azure topaz]

i think 265k is 40 or 60$ more rn

its why 5 people here have them lol

[cosmic stratus]

To max my monitor?

[buoyant bridge]

visible cables are fucked up and evil hide all cables in ur PC

[limpid dune]

unlike AMD, Intel 9s actually clock higher than 7s (usually), but not by much. And IPC is usually the same-ish across all chips from an architecture anyway (there are TONS of factors that do affect IPC though)

[lapis furnace]

⚠️ LONG message alert ⚠️
After clean installation of Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC I performed the following steps:

• Installed hp pc hardware diags windows, hp smart, hp support assistant, intel DSA, MS Office 2019 home & student, onedrive, vcredist aio, vs code, xna framework 4.0, movies & tv app, notepad, nvidia app, openal, snipping tool, winget
• disabled extended theme content, facial recognition (windows hello), IE Mode, Notepad (system), OpenSSH client, steps recorder, windows fax & scan.
• installed intel, hp & nvidia software and drivers.
• installed the apps that i wanted
• enabled legacy components (+ directplay), media features (+ media player legacy), rdc api support, simple tcp/ip services, smb direct, telnet client, work folders client from "turn windows features on/off".
• installed games

Am I now missing the complete point of a bloatware free experience of Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC?

[buoyant bridge]

wouldn't pcie bottlenecks make lossless frame gen on a second GPU be really stupid

[azure topaz]

lossless frame gen is just stupid

[limpid dune]

"I made a clean Windows install and then installed the HP bloatware" bro is NOT cooking

[cosmic stratus]

No. Lol and why would you use a product in bad scenarios anyway.

[azure topaz]

lets end it there lol

[limpid dune]

nope, LSFG on a second GPU is, IMO, maybe not goated but at least an interesting option

[lapis furnace]

❤️‍🩹

[buoyant bridge]

I mean HP and Lenovo both kinda make you need some of the bloatware

[cosmic stratus]

Nah my pc hs plenty of pcie lanes, 2 x16 gen 3 slots and using a second gpu offloads the overhead to a second gpu and removes latency issue.

[limpid dune]

also wtf TCP/IP is not "bloatware" that's literally required for any internet stuff

[azure topaz]

definitely moderalely cool

[gray sierra]

what gpu u got

[cosmic stratus]

Vega 56 and rx 6800

[lapis furnace]

nah the extra nerdy command stuff like (echo, daytime, etc.)

[buoyant bridge]

ah I know back when I had 2 6700Xts and used one for OBS it was always worse preformance cus of bandwith so i took the second one out and built a second PC with a capture card

[gray sierra]

i got 4090

[azure topaz]

he has more pcie lanes than u, hes on a server platform

[buoyant bridge]

novideo^

[buoyant bridge]

I was on a server platform then

dual CPUs too I had more lanes prob

[cosmic stratus]

[azure topaz]

you clearly didnt if you had bw issues

[cosmic stratus]

So then why didnt it work, def cant be lane issues

[azure topaz]

or you plugged it into a slot that wasnt actually X16

or it wasnt bw issues

[cosmic stratus]

Likely this fo sho

[buoyant bridge]

sending a 4K 120 stream over a pcie slot is HARD

[azure topaz]

no it is not

[buoyant bridge]

it was only 3.0 links iirc?

the 16x slots on X79 are all 3.0 right?

[cosmic stratus]

Yea lets do math rq, how much bandwith is that exactly

[limpid dune]

to make an actually bloatware free W11 install, just install whatever debloated version you like and then... don't install any software unless you need to. The Intel/AMD/Nvidia app is OK, but HP stuff is useless,

if you're getting this into debloating, you might honestly consider Bazzite given that you seem to be a major nerd like us

[azure topaz]

per board thing

[azure topaz]

bro

[buoyant bridge]

PCIe 3.0 x16 = 16 GB/s
4K 120hz = 29.86 Gbps

[cursive laurel]

ight don’t cook me how we looking now it’s 600$ cheaper

[azure topaz]

notice the small vs big b

[buoyant bridge]

ik

[azure topaz]

so do the math now

[buoyant bridge]

byte = 8x larger than bit

[lapis furnace]

bazzite what?

[azure topaz]

you can send 4k 120hz over a display port cable what makes you think its difficult to do over fucking PCIE

[buoyant bridge]

its hard with OTHER stuff going on like running a game

[azure topaz]

not when you have two cards bro 😭

128Gbps of bandwidth

[limpid dune]

Bazzite is a version of Linux that is premade to be fairly simple, console-like, and optimized for gaming, and because it's Linux it's debloated as hell

[cosmic stratus]

29.86 Gb/s is 0.23328 (or about 23.33%) of 16 GB/s.

If thats gigaBIT anyway

[buoyant bridge]

you need the HP stuff for fan control, power profiles, and macros on laptops

[limpid dune]

finna send a 4K 120Hz stream back and forth across a PCIe link three times because I'm bored 🥀

[azure topaz]

X79 if you were on sandy bridge i dont think was even pcie 3 btw but that still doesnt matter

[limpid dune]

for a little while I was using a PCIe 3.0 x1 link for my transcoding GPU on my NAS lmaoooo

[azure topaz]

ppeople do/did gpu mining on 1 lane

[lapis furnace]

ah oh well my main OS has always been win10/11... i prolly might not get familiar with linux

[azure topaz]

something famously memory intense 😭

[south arrow]

Lol

[cosmic stratus]

What is so special about win 11 ltsc or whatever

[azure topaz]

added racism

[limpid dune]

no worries, IMO the best way to do it is just to install a second (shite) SSD and make that the "linux disk", that way you can switch back and forth as you need

[cosmic stratus]

[lapis furnace]

its supposedly a "stripped down" version of the win 11 home/pro

[azure topaz]

disabled tele by default and bunch of other stuff

not really applicable to normal people unless they have 10 year old computers like ryzen 1st gen

[limpid dune]

Windows Hello will now use artificial intelligence to racially profile you and generate a brand new slur every time you login

[azure topaz]

incredible

[lapis furnace]

or i could create a partition and dual boot 👀

[azure topaz]

and then kill your bootloader

[cosmic stratus]

[lapis furnace]

thats actually true

[azure topaz]

i fuck with this so heavy

[limpid dune]

partitioning is a little fiddly, but yeah that's what I do on my laptop

on my desktop I have the "dual-disk dual-boot" thing going on

[cosmic stratus]

Glad I never had a reason to access it during that time

[azure topaz]

lol

[lapis furnace]

i do have 2 ssds ( 1 sata 1 nvme ) but the 2nd ssd holds my "personal" stuff so nah

[azure topaz]

if you have 2 efi partitions i reckon it would work but idk if 2 efi partitions in itself works

[limpid dune]

cro got that "homework" SSD 🥀

jokes on you, I got a 16TB "homework" NAS

[azure topaz]

cause i think EFI part always has to be first

[lapis furnace]

ayo u dirty minded slick i meant all my personal files n data ... not the naughty stuff yo.. not cool man 🥀

[azure topaz]

i got 3x4TB HDDS free from work today

[cosmic stratus]

[limpid dune]

EFI is an OS-neutral standard, GRUB just makes a seperate EFI file in the same folder as the Windows one and it all works out

[azure topaz]

until windows gets mad and overwrites it like everyone complains about

thru major windows updates

[limpid dune]

tadaa

[cosmic stratus]

So uh... the signal wire for my water pump broke off while I was plugging it in.. now it runs at 100% 24/7

[azure topaz]

thats fine lowk

[cosmic stratus]

Bettee idle temps

[azure topaz]

also if its a pump it should be a 3 pin

[cosmic stratus]

And fans can stay low

[azure topaz]

which doesnt have a signal pin....so...

[cosmic stratus]

Oh..

[azure topaz]

it has a tach pin but you dont need that to control it

[cosmic stratus]

So is the 3rd one just ground

[azure topaz]

DC fan/pump control is literally just raw voltage control, it cant just ignore it

[limpid dune]

wait they made AIOs that can throttle the pump? 😭

[azure topaz]

either tach or ground lol

[cosmic stratus]

Huh so it would've done the same thing without then

[azure topaz]

tach lets you read the speed

[limpid dune]

my FX-8350's pump just runs at 10,000RPM at all times, but that might be because it's a pump from 2011, or because it's broken as hell, or because it's an FX-8350

[azure topaz]

not being able to read the speed isnt a big deal as long as the board doesnt complain about it

[azure topaz]

all 3

[plain cypress]

10000 seems high

[cosmic stratus]

[azure topaz]

needs more ecores

[cosmic stratus]

10k rpm? Is it a micro pump lol

[limpid dune]

I got more FPS because my water pump runs at the same RPM as my 320GB boot HDD

[plain cypress]

Sometimes it is the solution to the problem

[azure topaz]

i heart ecores

[limpid dune]

(/s, no water pump runs at 10k rpm)

[azure topaz]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[limpid dune]

I fucking hate E-cores

-Alder Lake user

[azure topaz]

my ecores are as fast as your pcores

so......

[limpid dune]

yeah that's the problem

[plain cypress]

I won't lie, only 4 e-cores on my 12700k caused some annoyance with steam

[limpid dune]

and my E-cores are derived from the 486, not even joking

[azure topaz]

i think

[cosmic stratus]

At first I was like: "cool now when I run both a minecraft server and client I can just use the e cores to offload the minecraft server"

[plain cypress]

But skymont is speeeeeeeeed

[azure topaz]

yeah i bet that downloaded slow as shit

and how steam spawns processes

[plain cypress]

Maxed at ~350

[limpid dune]

I disabled my E-cores on my 12900H laptop and it's decreased the idle power and overall power

[azure topaz]

cause it uses the same core afffinities

[lapis furnace]

yk what ill just fkin wipe my whole C drive rn and make a clean fresh install of win 11 "IOT Entpr LTSC"
and do ONLY the following:

• Intel drivers, hp drivers, nvidia drivers, nvidia app,
• vc redist AIO, softwares req for gaming, enabling ms store (wsreset -i)
• enable only NEEDED features, disable all craps.

[limpid dune]

NO HP DRIVERS and no ms store if possible

[plain cypress]

Turning off silicon decreases power used, TIL

[limpid dune]

there is nothing that HP makes that is worth the drivers

[azure topaz]

that is a little more than 1 tenth of my download speed

[lapis furnace]

wdym no hp drivers ?? my laptp is HP

[lapis furnace]

i could get winget instead of ms store tho

[azure topaz]

i would end myself

[limpid dune]

HP almost certainly doesn't manufacture any of the hardware on the MB, unless you have, like, hyper specific lighting controllers or something

[plain cypress]

I now max out at 1.8 but I think that's all steam wants to give me

[cosmic stratus]

350mbps??

Id kill for that rn (120mbps)

[azure topaz]

i get higher and we live in the same area

[azure topaz]

im going to 3gbit next month

[plain cypress]

Maybe it's the e-core shenanigans again

[cosmic stratus]

Whats the bill

[azure topaz]

100$

[plain cypress]

Or I'm not downloading large enough games for it to ramp

Battlenet always makes my download

[lapis furnace]

take a load of this guy y'all

[cosmic stratus]

Ig thats not bad idk

[limpid dune]

first rule of computer building: figure out what company makes your motherboard and then under no circumstances do you install their bullshit 😭

[cosmic stratus]

[lapis furnace]

broski finna get hanged

[limpid dune]

the only drivers you ever really need are the Intel/Nvidia/AMD GPU/MB drivers and maaaybe the network card if you have a funky one

[azure topaz]

speed

[opal dock]

Spent like an hour or two trying to tune my ram fruitlessly. Pain

[lapis furnace]

aight man gotchu

[limpid dune]

Wendell from L1t has earned my eternal respect by making 256GB dual-rank quad-channel DDR5 RAM work at full EXPO-6000 by basically tuning it for 48 hours straight

[cosmic stratus]

Ppl say the rx 5700 xt has better performance when you adjust memory timings... yea no u got me fucked up if you think imma sit there for 5hrs tunning memory😭

[azure topaz]

rage bait

[lapis furnace]

👍

[limpid dune]

you're very forgettable tbh

[cosmic stratus]

Its.. forgettable, they say

[limpid dune]

<@&750150305383186585> mods: obliterate 🫵

[azure topaz]

racism

[opal dock]

Yeah my 9070xt tuning was fine except for when I ran Furmark (GL) at full screen. It would weirdly shut off after a couple minutes but not from overheating. Idk if Radeon thinks it's a power virus and kills the program or something

My RAM on the other hand fucking hates me it seems

[limpid dune]

two unfunny jokes in less than four posts, a ratio that hasn't been seen in this server since 1972

[lapis furnace]

wait what? 256gb in RAM? as in Random Access Memory??? THATS INSANE!

[plain cypress]

Intel NPU driver supremacy

[opal dock]

48 hours straight? I'd rather smash my head against a wall

[azure topaz]

we hate you

[cosmic stratus]

Yea way too much troubleshooting for me and im good at that, I just don't find that worth it

[azure topaz]

[cosmic stratus]

Oh hell naw

48hrs

[lapis furnace]

proceeds to wipe out his whole C Drive

[cosmic stratus]

[azure topaz]

yall dont tune ram very often and it shows

[opal dock]

I'm pretty new to it so it's probably honestly something I'm overlooking

[azure topaz]

48 hours is light work my brudda

[limpid dune]

Servers regularly go up to, like, four terabytes for big databases. Welcome to enterprise hardware, where the motherboards have like 24 DIMM slots and the sticks have 128GB each and money is unlimited

[cosmic stratus]

Pulling an all nighter tunnjng the rx 5700xt (when I had it) with modded bios was ENOUGH for me let alone touching memory timings

[lapis furnace]

ah no i thought u was talking 256gigs of ram on a personal pc

[limpid dune]

🫡 may your next build be under MSRP, soldier

[opal dock]

1TB DIMMS when?

[azure topaz]

9000 CL 36 🤤

[opal dock]

I want 2TB dual channel NOW

[opal dock]

Does 9000mHz even help AMD? I thought 6000-6400 was optimal

[cosmic stratus]

Im still a min maxxer tho so if there is atleast 15% performance to be had ill gladly spend up to a week tunning ts

[opal dock]

Though I'm new to this so idk

[azure topaz]

who the FUCK said amd

[limpid dune]

https://youtu.be/pA-R1FabTDY

here's the video, 256GB on AM5

[azure topaz]

i’m so up

[azure topaz]

you have the dell precision no ram oc nerf

[opal dock]

Hey man I was just assuming since most people I've talked to in this server so far were using amd. My bad

[cosmic stratus]

[lapis furnace]

ah ok so 256gigs ram on a personal pc

[cosmic stratus]

2133mhz

[azure topaz]

jedec timings even worse LOL

[lapis furnace]

i wish, im saving up for gta 6 build

[limpid dune]

long story short: 7000 and 9000 series ryzens work best at 6000-ish while Intels and 8000 series chips can go much further beyond. You can technically run 7000/9000s at like 7800MT/s but it doesn't really help FPS

[cosmic stratus]

Gta 6 build

[azure topaz]

max ive seen stable stable is 8300

[cosmic stratus]

Im saving up for the next 2 months to buy the rx 9070 xt

[azure topaz]

a lot (comparitively to 6400, if you have a good board) of chips can run 8000

[limpid dune]

yeah, someone here daily drives DDR5-10000 on their 285K but I forget who

[cosmic stratus]

[plain cypress]

Gotta be jorj

[lapis furnace]

"yes"

[azure topaz]

nobody, i have the fastest mem here, 10K is g4 stinky

[cosmic stratus]

Im prob still gonna be on this old xeon platform by the time gta 6 is out

Atleast ill have a 9070xt to run it

[lapis furnace]

[cosmic stratus]

Nvm I forgot it was delayed to 2028

[limpid dune]

you'll be fine, rockstar games do well with terrible singlecore, just look at RDR2 lmaooo

[cosmic stratus]

No way im staying on xeon for another 2yrs😭

2133mhz ram my ass ts GOTTA GO

[deep walrus]

I managed to repair my PC's file system. Now Windows and Linux are both being booted off halved partitions on the internal SSD, rather than Linux being booted off a half partition from the HDD which kinda messed up the partition table

[cosmic stratus]

I have an 8core u think thats enough?

[lapis furnace]

lol by the time it comes out i might have had a kid

[limpid dune]

good move, the linux on HDD experience is miles better than Windows but still not the best, especially for updates

[lapis furnace]

i thought SSDs were better?

[limpid dune]

"8 core" means nothing when talking about single-core performance, what CPU is it?

[cosmic stratus]

1680v3, eventually ill overclock it ryzen 5 3600 levels of single core performance... IF I win the silicon lot

[limpid dune]

lemme clarify: windows HDD is unusable, Linux HDD is "meh", Windows SSD is good, Linux SSD is very good

[lapis furnace]

intel i5-9300h... 8 logical cores... what do u say? (my laptop processor)

[limpid dune]

...how exactly do you plan on overclocking a locked CPU? via the Ivy Bridge BIOS mod?

[deep walrus]

I had to completely wipe both the SSD and HDD though because Diskmgmt wouldn't let me split the SSD in half even though there was plenty of free space on it. I haven't touched it in a while so nothing of value was lost

[limpid dune]

aint no Ivy Bridge matching Zen 2, I say that as someone who has OCed both

[cosmic stratus]

I tried win 11 on emmc memory, not bad at all... nearly just as snappy when it had chrome os on it lmao (its a dell inspiron 7486 I turned into a windowz machine)

[cosmic stratus]

V3s are all unlocked btw

[limpid dune]

eMMC is similar to SSDs, yes

[cosmic stratus]

Huh everyone until then told me they were slow

[deep walrus]

This was accomplished via GParted on a Ventoy USB. Windows 11 and Kubuntu ISOs were also on there.

[lapis furnace]

hold on ... what? emmc? thats smth new i've heard

[cosmic stratus]

No not new at all lmao

[limpid dune]

eMMCs are pretty much just reaaally cheap SSDs, they burn out more and they're slower but hey, they're cheap

[lapis furnace]

new for me*

[cosmic stratus]

Ahh ok

[limpid dune]

no they arn't? you can use turbo unlocks but that's not an unlocked multiplier

[cosmic stratus]

I mean the 16XX v3s sorry

The high multicores are only turbo unlocked yes

Rn running 4.3ghz on 1680v3

Im limited by LOCKED edp limits so no 4.8ghz yet sadly

[limpid dune]

holy shit ok mb I didn't know that existed, TIL they made unlocked Xeons that wern't labelled as i7s

[azure topaz]

what yeah

[deep walrus]

I have a crappy ASUS ROG prebuilt as my main rig and a M1 Mac Mini as secondary. My Steam Deck LCD with upgraded 1TB storage is tertiary. I use a 2019 16" Intel MacBook Pro on the go. I've thought about getting one of those laptop converters for my Steam Deck though as that obviously performs better at gaming than the MacBook

[azure topaz]

E5 16XX before V4 is unlocked

up to v3 is better wording my bad

[cosmic stratus]

Yep

[lapis furnace]

this is very concerning... i spent unhealthy amounts of time trying to setup literally every possible windows VM ever... (except betas and intermediate versions)

[cosmic stratus]

I hope someone on the dell owners club forums knows how to edit edp limits on the dell bios

Still waiting for an answer

[azure topaz]

i know how

[cosmic stratus]

[azure topaz]

buy a different X99 motherboard

[cosmic stratus]

[limpid dune]

ten thousand watts to griffindor

[deep walrus]

I'm hoping the RTX 30 Series doesn't go obsolete too quickly, I got this machine as a gift in summer 2022. And I'm not sure how I would go about replacing the GPU, because some docs suggest these prebuilts only support specific models of parts like GPU, CPU, etc

[cosmic stratus]

God damm really had my hopes up for a sec lmfao

[azure topaz]

pov me to my 13900KS's IMC

[cosmic stratus]

[azure topaz]

do not put 1.55 volts into your 13900KS IMC

[limpid dune]

it'll support any GPU as long as it physically fits and it has the correct power connector

[azure topaz]

it will degrade it

[limpid dune]

3000 series is still goated, even without framegen

[cosmic stratus]

Atp I would just jump to am4 or am5 lol

[deep walrus]

noted

[cosmic stratus]

Def no jumping platforms now with ram pricing and im PRAYING TO GOD this issue doesnt touch GPU memory

[upper agate]

Question and before I ask there is nothing anyone can say that will make me switch to an amd cpu. I currently have an i5 14600kf with a arc b580 gpu. Will it be worth upgrading the cpu and mobo to the intel ultra 7 cpu? Games I play are cyberpunk, the sims 4 , diablo 4, counterstrike 2 and sometimes fortnite?

[cosmic stratus]

For 2 months atleast just please wait for me to buy my 9070XT lol

[azure topaz]

nnow tell me how

iggy azalea was in the fast lane from LA to Tokyo

[limpid dune]

I'm loving the trend of people making AM5 servers using absolutely ridiculous specs like L1t... 256GB DDR5-6000, 32TB of SSD storage, 100Gb networking, 9950X3D with PBO... and it still ends up being cheaper than an equivalent Epyc lmaoooo

[azure topaz]

there is not a single road

there will not be a single road ever connecting the two

[cosmic stratus]

That good old enterprise tax

[limpid dune]

cough meghain trainor cough

[cosmic stratus]

No

[limpid dune]

but yes. I'm starting to think that she might not, in fact, be "all about that bass". I've never seen her go out fishing before

[dusk patio]

ermm akshooaly it's a figure of speech ☝️ 🤓

[azure topaz]

how do you spell meghan so wrong

meg hain

[dusk patio]

meghain 😭

[azure topaz]

sound out meghan where the freak is the i man

[formal sonnet]

Shhh... it's a soylent "i" 😉

[azure topaz]

im in the fast lane from la to sentinel island

[azure topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-screaming-confused-confused-screaming-gif-15736028

[limpid dune]

Not really any reason to upgrade IMO, you would have to replace the CPU+motherboard for not much gain. Instead, you could try replacing the CPU+MB with AM5, and have a faster platform that is going to have new CPUs next year >:3

[cosmic stratus]

[azure topaz]

the classic cursed truenas inside proxmox setup

[wet ember]

What do you think of the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooling a 9800x3d? It's loud as hell because my CPU is getting too hot

[cosmic stratus]

Unfortunately the only real upgrade path for you requires amd since intel has yet to produce anything good other than gpus 😭

[azure topaz]

its not getting too hot

turn the fan curve down, let the cpu get as hot as it wants

if your PC does not turn off it is not too hot

[wet ember]

You must be kidding

[azure topaz]

i am not

[wet ember]

Yes you are

[dusk patio]

your 14600K is more than enough for modern gaming, should last you a long time (just make sure your motherboard BIOS/UEFI is up to date)

[azure topaz]

youre really going to make me explain

[wet ember]

Why would I allow the CPU to get as hot as it wants? Thermal throttling dude

[azure topaz]

alright for the 900th time this chat has witnessed this conversation

[limpid dune]

what is "too hot"? use a thermal sensor...if your CPU is less than 90C ish, it won't throttle. If your CPU is at 90C you royally fucked something up

[cosmic stratus]

Damm I used to be a advocate for fat air coolers but now that I have an aio, im urged to say you should get an aio instead

[wet ember]

I'm sorry to inconvenience you

But I probably wasn't here when you said it

[azure topaz]

ryzen 7000 and ryzen 9000 chips boost very strange
they target 95C in practically every scenario and will get there unless they run into other limiters like the global frequency limit or voltage limits

especially during shader compilation or high core workloads

95c is normal, you have to tell your computer not to crank the fans like crazy at 95c because of that though

[cosmic stratus]

Oh I forgot 7000 series and above loves high temps

[limpid dune]

air cooler users: maaan I need an AIO
AIO users: dude this sucks I should go make a custom loop
custom loop users: fuck that I'm going to an air cooler

[lapis furnace]

Um guys? Wtf?

[wet ember]

Alright so I can allow my CPU to operate up to max temp?

[azure topaz]

7000 X3D is the only somewhat exception to this but it also gets very hot cause the extra cache is on top of the cores

[dusk patio]

me, a stock cooler user: this is fine

[azure topaz]

yes

if you are below your cpus rated boost frequency while under a consistent load at 95c thats when you can worry

if you are at like fuckin, 5+ghz ignore 95c

[wet ember]

I'm not gonna ask another question to not piss you off

[azure topaz]

cpu is doing its job

[limpid dune]

CPUs will never thermal throttle unless they are over their max temp, in this case 95C. If you're at 95C on that cooler you musta done something wrong because that thing shouldn't get above 80 unless you forgot thermal paste or something

[azure topaz]

GPUs do a similar thing, they boost way past their rated boost clocks until they hit some limit, usually power, but now sometimes voltage

AMD decided to make their cpus do essentially the same thing

[left trellis]

anyone have after effects benchmarks for the 1080 ti

or a gpu adjacent to it that does have benchmarks

[limpid dune]

floppa is just like that dw 🗣️ 🔥 I love annoying people

[azure topaz]

i am indeed

[lapis furnace]

@limpid dune yo

[azure topaz]

i dont hate you but i was NOT lying to you

[cosmic stratus]

Dont they boost higher bc less gpu usage.. just like how high multicore cpus cant do all core 5ghz but will do it on 4 cores

[limpid dune]

did you download the ISO from a source you trust? if so, that's OK

[azure topaz]

i mean yes / no

[lapis furnace]

Archive.org it is

[azure topaz]

less gpu usage = more power limit = more boosting until they run into one of the other 2 limiters

such as voltage or temp

[cosmic stratus]

Mm ok

[azure topaz]

everything is constrained by like 3 limiting factors

power, temp, volts

making one mad is enough to slow the whole thing down

[azure topaz]

(and on AMD cpus the global frequency limit)

[limpid dune]

it has to do with the workload. Some workloads like shader compilation will only use a small amount of each core's circuitry at a time, so it can boost higher and put more power into those exact circuits. Other workloads like video editing use pretty much the entire CPU core, so it has to downclock to stop it from going over its power limit

[lapis furnace]

[limpid dune]

Same logic applies to GPUs

[azure topaz]

the cpu is boosting as hard as it possibly can fathom until it literally thinks its going to crash

it changes clocks and voltages thousands of times a second

this is kind of why overclocking has lost its magic

[limpid dune]

you forgot the classic "erm ☝️ nvidia says you're not allowed to use this GPU for that, you're getting downclocked"

[lapis furnace]

Le me running GTA V on battery power mode with "balanced" scheme and max graphics settings + no cooling pad under laptop

[cosmic stratus]

Yea thats what thought when I saw my vega 56 push 1800mhz on some workloads when its rare as hell to even see more than 1700mhz

[limpid dune]

it's a big part of why people always talk about "AVX workloads" because the AVX engines are massive and will definitely cause the CPU to downclock

[cosmic stratus]

Oh that explains a lot

I got kinda pissed when I saw my 1680v3 downclock to 4.0ghz when it would stick to 4.3 just fine in other workloads like the stress tests I was using to tune it

[limpid dune]

annotated picture of a Zen 5 core

to be fair to AMD, the vector half also does AVX and AVX2, but it's still a HUGE part of the CPU

[cosmic stratus]

Gotta dedicate a whole portion just for an instruction set

[limpid dune]

petition for AMD to make Zen 5 cores except with like four extra AVX units so we can uhhh transcode stuff really fast with Handbrake and maybe I guess do After Effects really quick

boost clock: 5.8GHz. base clock: 2.0GHz

[lapis furnace]

Can't imagine how a 24core diagram would look like

[grizzled frost]

that, *8, *3

[ancient compass]

hey all

[lapis furnace]

Hey carter with a koolaid

[limpid dune]

like this

okay not that one

[fringe prairie]

that one

[grizzled frost]

is this a DLSS1 era meme?

[limpid dune]

okay I can't find the image I was thinking of, but here's a Z5 CCD, just imagine sticking three of them in a box and calling it a Threadripper

[ancient compass]

whets up

[south arrow]

[cold skiff]

I’ve always wondered how did AMD come up with the AM5 IHS design

[wild solar]

why is it trying to use a drive that does exist

[random gyro]

bro downloaded storage

[wild solar]

what does that even mean

[random gyro]

i dunno, i just woke up from my slumber during math class

[cold skiff]

Bruh those drive names…

[wild solar]

what about them?

[cold skiff]

Are ya 5?

[wild solar]

no?

[halcyon beacon]

Idk, I've only ever seen kids genuinely judge silly drive names =p

[wild solar]

i enjoy naming my drives makes them more personal

i just want my 35g partition 😭

[frigid blade]

Jew drive

What do you even store in drive named that

[fallow mist]

bitcoin?

and blackmail probably

ong it dont say that anywhere so why you callin it that XD

[left dove]

scroll up you dingleberry

[fallow mist]

oh dear god i wish i wasnt wrong rn

[cold skiff]

I see he has 6 drives. As Eni Aluko would say, that’s 6 drives for 1 PC. You do the math and it’s like a drive a PC.

[random gyro]

sup

[mint umbra]

The steam machine specs feel too low

Since it's has worse specs than ps5 that came out 5 years ago

[cold skiff]

Bruh

[small fable]

yeah hi, i am computor illiterate, and my firends are asleep, i am 99% shure i have just got some malware, is anyone able to help

[cold skiff]

The ps5 is like 50x bigger

What you expecting

[south arrow]

Time to shutdown AL just turn off your friends pc

XD gameee overrr K Ooooo

[cold skiff]

Malware or mall wear?

[small fable]

dyslexic

however, bad code on computor

[cold skiff]

Well it’s not bad code if it works as intended

[small fable]

HAHAHAHAHA

[south arrow]

Super depends from task manager closing it and deleting a file to reinstalling windows

But that'll be for you to discover xD

Run windows defender if you want windows should snag it on a full 3hr+ run

[high zealot]

Any opinions on 5070 ti vs 9070 XT, 150 less for amd?
Because it would bring this budget down. He wants to buy from micro center:
https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/custom-pc-builder-amd.aspx?load=fd0cd4d3-0698-4907-9654-8ee4e61fb200

[south arrow]

If your friend has personal stuff though thats also risky so welcome to a game

https://tenor.com/view/you-wanna-play-a-little-game-billy-doll-gif-25887421

[small fable]

look, since it started showing its head, i instaalled avast (the only free one ive heard of) and ran a smart scan, it found stuff on os (i selected resolve) and it found nothing in the "viruses or malware" section

[south arrow]

Nope already doomed

Delete avast only use windows defender or they fight themselves

[small fable]

how do i go about windows defendering

[south arrow]

Just type defender in the search bar but if not you pc and it flags personal files gonna be a bad time

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-southpark-gif-3399672855803231594

[small fable]

ihaas it ben renamed to windows securaty

[south arrow]

Same thing tomatoes tamato

[small fable]

ok, it open wahats next?

[south arrow]

Run full scan

And sleep itll flag anything it determines as a Trojan or otherwise

Also has a section for current flagged things

From there i cant guide you cause personal files

[cold skiff]

What if it’s not Trojan but greek?

[south arrow]

Id also be concerned, frigging greeks

||jokes for the record love my Greek peeps while stubborn||

[small fable]

thaanks man

[ashen zenith]

Bruh, when the hell did DDR4 RAM become so expensive all of a sudden?!

I know AI farms are gobbling up tons of RAM. But surely that's DDR5 RAM, no?

[small fable]

Hi, one of my friends came online to ask a question and he walked me through some stuff, apparently i had accidently subscribed to some crome notifications that probably lead to downloading something dodgy. i simply haad to unsubscrive

[proper gull]

Did you think they'd just continue producing it at the same rate forever?

It's ending

[ashen zenith]

Did the same thing happen with DDR3? I don't recall DDR3 shooting up in cost nearly as much. But maybe I'm misremembering.

[proper gull]

You're definitely misremembering

[ashen zenith]

Ah.

Well. RIP.

[south arrow]

Hectic times

[ashen zenith]

Jeez. Sure am glad I grabbed 32GB of fancy DDR4 for my main PC like 2 years ago then, when it was still cheap lol

[solar moat]

not made

[solar moat]

you shoud see the prices for nice ddr3 kits

[ashen zenith]

I guess I just misremembered what happened to DDR3. I don't remember it going that insane once it stopped being produced. But I've been told I'm misremembering lol

[azure topaz]

youre shopping on amazon

[azure topaz]

more of a shortage, more space is being allocated for HBM wafers or somethin

[azure topaz]

go on ebay and look

[solar moat]

CXL can use ddr4

[azure topaz]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/177553086839?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/317533896334?

definitely more than id like to pay but its pretty cheap

[ashen zenith]

Is there still a way to get 64GB of DDR4 RAM (like 4x16GB ) for a non-ridiculous price?

[azure topaz]

what is non ridiculous

[solar moat]

what cpu/why 64GB

[azure topaz]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/187736033706? not bad for a matched kit honestly

[ashen zenith]

It's an i7 8700. It's also not my main system. It's a computer I adopted from a client that had replaced it. I'm setting it up as a Minecraft + database + web server (database + web all related to Minecraft).

She's currently got 32GB that I organ-harvested from other client computers that were replaced. Which is fine. But I really want 64GB.

[azure topaz]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/197853939535?

yooo 120$

there you go shawty

[ashen zenith]

Eyy that ain't tee bad! Thank you!

[azure topaz]

nah thats p good take that and RUN

aint even look that hard literally 3rd result wont lie

[south arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-movie-comedy-whats-up-tongue-out-on-the-telephone-gif-22163642

[ashen zenith]

I'll just need to make sure this office-grade HP motherboard will handle 64GB of 3200mhz RAM without killing itself. Turns out, some of the older Intel ones don't.

[south arrow]

Shortyyyy pick up the phonee

[ashen zenith]

Cap out at 2666 above 16GB

[azure topaz]

it wont do xmp, thats fine, should do the capacity just fine

[azure topaz]

they just cap out at 2666

its a limit of the CPU rather than the board

[solar moat]

so you dont have a board that lets ram oc sad

[azure topaz]

all old intel cpus werent able to go above their rated ram speed unless K sku or Z board

like a 9400F with a bwhatever board cant oc the mem

at least not past what the chip is rated for

[ashen zenith]

I snagged a Dell Optiplex SFF with an i7-10700 and 4 DIMM slots. It refused to boot if I put 32GB of 3200mhz RAM in it. It was fine with 16GB tho. And it's fine with 32GB of 2666. Office-tier PCs be weird sometimes.

[azure topaz]

sometimes theyre designed to reject specific IC's

theyre weird but it was probably a side effect of the speed rather than like a direct influence

like older HP computers dont like not HP memory

[ashen zenith]

Office-tier desktops also hate intake fans too, as it turns out lol. They almost never have them.

[azure topaz]

more dust intake for components that dont need the cooling

oops

[south arrow]

20+years old dust smth about it when you just get a big wiff cleaning it out

Fatal

[azure topaz]

that is a two year old computer that i claned the week prior LOL

never seen 20 year old dust

[south arrow]

Gotta find a ripe old original xbox/arcade maybe. Ps2s weren't nearly as bad but still old bunnies

Its an expierence

First time tried blowing one out w/o a hairdryer/fan and that is not recommended dont put your face anywhere near it

[sleek ibex]

Fuuuuuck some of the rigs we had that haven't been used in 20+ years don't look near as bad

[south arrow]

Must've had her running good

[warm linden]

lol is there 2500 cash in the case?

[south arrow]

I want to say not quite, but didnt plug into pcpp

[warm linden]

Pc you could build used parts around 1200 usd

[south arrow]

Was only getting to 1300 ish yeah, they did their best

[warm linden]

People are crazy

[azure topaz]

b550 tomahawk 😭

[south arrow]

I agree

[warm linden]

Also a 210 aio?

[sleek ibex]

2 sticks 32gb

I hate how that's worded

[warm linden]

It’s a gamble

Either you get 32 or 64 lol

[sleek ibex]

This listing is so bad, holy shit

[warm linden]

I offered them 1000

[sleek ibex]

And there isn't a PSU listed on here

Red flags galore

[bronze summit]

Wow! I don't know what this mean

[sage ocean]

does anyone know if virtual card sites like privacy can bypass merchants not accepting your card type?

Capital One has recently switched their debit network to discover

and now some websites dont accept my debit card

this website also doesnt accept amex\

[hexed sage]

At least it has a nice monitor

[dusk patio]

I would never use my debit card online tbh

can you not get a more universally accepted card like Visa/MasterCard?

[sage ocean]

that would take an approval process

my ccs are discover and amex

also I use my debit card via google pay

[dusk patio]

I'm Canadian and never even heard of discover tbh

[sage ocean]

and even if i didnt, theres like 0 risk unless im typing the numbers into scammetoday.in or some shit like that

[dusk patio]

what's the advantage of using google pay instead of just tapping your card

[sage ocean]

well i can try tapping my card all i want onto my pc screen but that wont do anything

but in the other sense, i already have my phone in my hand usually

i dont carry my wallet most places

i just tap my phone

[frigid blade]

yah i like the option of google and apple pay on the web on PCs and stuff, super easy to just scan and pay

[sage ocean]

i just log into my google account it has my card stored

[frail delta]

Revolut will do this

[frigid blade]

i dont like storing my cards (yes I know thats what apple and android do), I mean in browser

[frail delta]

Free too

[sage ocean]

it will let me pay with amex even if the site doesnt accept

[sage ocean]

im not storing the card in browser

its stored in google pay

i just log into my google account with the google pay button

and its there because its in my google wallet

[frigid blade]

yah, similar to apple pay

[sage ocean]

my mobile wallet is accessable on my pc once i complete a multi factor authentication challange

[frail delta]

It would act like a prepaid card. Load the revolut account with $x then you can use the Visa attached to your Revolut account

[dusk patio]

lolll

[frail delta]

They are one of the “we promise we aren’t a bank” fintechs

[sage ocean]

would that charge as a cash advance on a cc tho

[rigid fjord]

fucking updates

[frigid blade]

yes, well im like 90% certain

[sage ocean]

fuck

i want like a virtual card like privacy.com was

so i can pay with my amex on a site that doesnt support it

paypal does that but this site doesnt take paypal