tech-chat-1

[grizzled frost]

if it flows well without the rad, the rad is the issue, if it doesn't flow well without the rad, something else is the issue

[ocean axle]

I was scrolled up, yay

[sleek ibex]

DDCs are air-cooled generally, yes. Though even with lubed motor wouldn't chance it

[ocean axle]

In general, don't run a pump dry

[sleek ibex]

Exactly

I've been doing this before proper coolants became a thing

[grizzled frost]

"proper coolants" you mean 99.9% distilled water?

only thing that changed is what that .1% of shit they use to not grow a colony is

[sleek ibex]

yes that and silver kill coils or ethelyene glycol

[grizzled frost]

why were people running ethylene glycol in their loop?

[rigid fjord]

did you get gibb's slapped for it?

[ocean axle]

wait, you don't run aurora or Vue?

[solar moat]

?

[worthy pumice]

Does anyone know a good brand for PCIe Wifi Adapters? So far I’ve had a USB Wifi adapter and PCIe Adapter from asus but they both crapped out after a year so I’m unsure if I wanna stay with Asus

[rigid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-gif-4810169

[grizzled frost]

anything with an intel chip

[solar moat]

nope

[ocean axle]

Sub zero probably

[warm saddle]

What about the expiring secure boot certificates? I need to do something?

[sleek ibex]

I use DP Ultra or Mayhems X1 religiously

[grizzled frost]

In DP Ultra we trust

[ocean axle]

I've used pastel and had no issue with it

[signal salmon]

It flowed just fine

[ocean axle]

Someone I know decides to try aurora, that didn't end so well

[solar moat]

left it on wash down that runs for like 30 min and left and a alarm went off and that stop the washdown program but not the pumps and then the coolent ran out and pump keep running dry for next 7 hours before i got in since night shift was running other things

[grizzled frost]

There's some sort of blockage in the Rad then

[worthy pumice]

How come asus is so shitty when it comes to wifi

[rigid fjord]

EDUP (essentially a chinese no name for branding) definitely has had some decent ones

[sleek ibex]

Ah Pastel.... Yeah I miss that coolant. Mick made great stuff

[grizzled frost]

no idea

they don't make wifi chips anyways

[sleek ibex]

Only Opaque I swore by

[signal salmon]

Is it an easy fix? Or should i just buy a new one?

[grizzled frost]

try flushing the rad again

[worthy pumice]

They do? PCE-AXE5400 is asus

[sleek ibex]

Whites and Blues were my favourites

[rigid fjord]

don't the coolant get checked regularly?

[solar moat]

it was about about 30 to50% full when i left and it was only ment to run for 30 min

not 7 hours

but then there was a alarm that stoped the program running but did not tell the pumps to shut off

[rigid fjord]

so internal fuck up on the machine?

[sleek ibex]

Mayhems Pastel was hands down the best opaque I used. Though I'm pretty biased

[solar moat]

well there 4 levels of alarms and coolent only gets shut off on A alarms

program stops on B/A alarms

[grizzled frost]

card is made by ASUS, wifi chip isn't, it's an intel AX210 chip

[rigid fjord]

that just means it does wifi 6e, not that asus makes it, the wifi chip itself is either realtek or intel

[rigid fjord]

or realtek

[worthy pumice]

Weird how it crapped out after a year

It connects to wifi and I get a general failure whenever I try to ping anything in cmd

[grizzled frost]

All the posts I see say AX210

[worthy pumice]

I even flushed the dns and did a netsh reset

[ocean axle]

Pastel extreme*

Idk if that difference matters but technically it was extreme

[sleek ibex]

Extreme was Ethylene based IIRC

[rigid fjord]

@sleek ibexi have 2x 1 litre bottles of ek's blood red clear coolant

[grizzled frost]

colored coolant bad, just dyes stuff

[ocean axle]

Either way, I had no issue with it either time I used it

[sleek ibex]

X1 and og Pastel were Propylene based

[ocean axle]

But, now everything is air cooled

[grizzled frost]

not much benefit to watercooling anymore

[sleek ibex]

Yep it's basically a niche hobby nowadays

[grizzled frost]

It’s basically just for fun, you don’t really gain anything tangible from it

[ocean axle]

The last system I had water-cooled was dual epyc, Vega 64, and a Radeon vii

PPT could get a lot more out of Vega

[sleek ibex]

UFO, Aurora, and Vue are just for showpiece builds. Though Pastel based coolants is something I don't recommend for newcomers. Even for I now use translucent/transparent ones these days

[ocean axle]

That was mostly for noise, but now I just move my computers to another room to solve that problem

[rigid fjord]

most usually are, though realtek also has some afaik, different other brands with similar speeds be also using them

[sleek ibex]

Mystic Fog and Luminara are interesting as they are the only inbetweens I know of (in fact the only ones on the market)

Though it does have the problems associated with Pastel based colants

[signal salmon]

It flows out just fine from both ends

[rigid fjord]

clear coloured coolants are ok, tbh better than using pastels that have particulates in them to make the colouring

[sleek ibex]

Luminara is XSPC's competitor to EKWB's Mystic Fog

[rigid fjord]

also a coloured coolant will show any leaks better

[sleek ibex]

Mayhems X1/XT1, Koolance 702/705, and DP Ultra are my go-to

[rigid fjord]

i know of an oil based coolant that could be used for pc's but essentially it's primarily designed for car use

takes more effort to get hotter

[signal salmon]

Okay I did some science, the pump doesn’t work, it works for a few seconds when you turn it on, but then stops working

[rigid fjord]

what does the pump itself look like?

[signal salmon]

Completely normal, I think

[rigid fjord]

if i remember correctly that's a ddc pump

[sleek ibex]

[signal salmon]

Yeah

So uh, I need a new pump?

[grizzled frost]

mhm

[signal salmon]

Kurwa

[left dove]

I've awoken

y'all are fucked

[grizzled frost]

oh god

[rose stream]

No you haven't, as I too am here, which makes it a dream.

[grizzled frost]

oh peyton i prestiged in cookie clicker for 5 souls

[left dove]

cute

[rigid fjord]

pretty much, but as it will spin then stops, you might be able to clean it out

[grizzled frost]

it’s my first prestige okay?

[left dove]

I know I'm just giving you shit

[rigid fjord]

the impeller is removable

[fallow yacht]

oh hi

guess i should sleep now

[scarlet tartan]

Evening everyone

[rigid fjord]

only afternoon right now

[grizzled frost]

it’s not even 9am

[scarlet tartan]

Time zones guys

[grizzled frost]

Wrong, anything but est is wrong

[scarlet tartan]

Rauko is British so most probably it's 1:58 for him

My time zone is UTC +5:30

[rigid fjord]

wrong, anything but gmt is wrong

i could forgive utc

[grizzled frost]

wrong, and i know you’re wrong cause you can’t even tell the time properly, it’s 9am

[scarlet tartan]

I knew you are generous

[rigid fjord]

i live where time starts, so no

[scarlet tartan]

It's hypothetical

[signal salmon]

Okay i will try

[scarlet tartan]

There's no real centre, longitudinally

[fallow yacht]

one thing i don't understand is that malaysia is gmt + 8 yet singapore is gmt +7 even though malay peninsula is literally right next to it

[peak swan]

Welp looks like I'm about to get 25€
Waiting for guy to show up

[scarlet tartan]

Time zones are usually determined in the centre of the nations

[rigid fjord]

there are some cases of the pump stopping because of the coolant gumming up the impeller itself

[signal salmon]

Oh wow

[rigid fjord]

some hot water on the impeller to soak in can help

[ocean axle]

Iirc, China is gmt+8 as a whole, so it might be Malaysia syncing to that, while Singapore doesn't

[left dove]

rauko what do I sell my 10850k +64g ram + msi board + corsair 4000d for

oh and cooler

[rigid fjord]

400-500

[left dove]

damb aight

[rigid fjord]

the 10850k still goes for $150-200 secondhand

[left dove]

DAMB OKAY

[rigid fjord]

afaik depending where you are in SEA, you could be anywhere from gmt +6 to gmt+9 give or take a little distance

[fallow yacht]

meanwhile china's like fuck multiple timezones

[left dove]

One china one timezone

[rigid fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRGS4GJ-NQU ekwb ddc pump in this but the principles are the same tbh

[fallow yacht]

west taiwan*

[glacial hound]

I'm so tired of Windows being worthless garbage holy shit

[rigid fjord]

well ekwb/xpsc one, still though

[left dove]

windows isn't worthless garbage, that's just how you use it

[rigid fjord]

it's free worthless garbage

[ocean axle]

TBF, there are benefits to that

[rigid fjord]

and remember, one man's trash is another man's treasure

[glacial hound]

Only reason I'm not on linux is because my org relies on windows specfic software

[left dove]

so run a vm or dual boot

[ocean axle]

Except windows, that's everyone's garbage

[glacial hound]

Man I defended them thru Vista, W8, and W10 I'm just done with em lmao

[hallow jasper]

My favorite garbage where things work

[left dove]

"WINDOWS IS SO BAD GUYS"

doesn't elaborate at all

[rigid fjord]

everyone's skeleton in the closet tbh

[glacial hound]

Alright, let me expand then.

[jaunty apex]

Prob should think again about defending multi-billion dollar corporations

[rigid fjord]

see defending win10, that's fine but i wouldn't defend vista or win8

[jaunty apex]

😩

[sleek ibex]

"Year of Linux Desktop" They have been saying this since the days of Windows 98

[rigid fjord]

some of it will run via wine or similar no?

[ocean axle]

Vista was fine the hardware at the time just wasn't, also drivers were a problem. Both got sorted by visa sp3 (win7)

[jaunty apex]

Well.. Then steamOS 3 came around and proton got real good, things are a little different

[rigid fjord]

vista longhorn, when vista got the real fix, and was called win7

but win 8 had to be fixed and then it became win8.1

[glacial hound]

• Onedrive integration sucks ass (need to use it for work), sucks back a stupid amount of power for no apparent reasons
• Ungodly amount of ads and spyware that are becoming increasingly difficult and annoying to tweak out of the system
• W11 UI is ungodly laggy and slow, I'm aware you can tune this out, but I shouldn't need to on a out of box OS
• Fragemented settings

[left dove]

I've got a longhorn iso & a neptune iso

[ocean axle]

In-OS ads is a real bitch I wish they never tried

[jaunty apex]

I mean do you need timezones if everyone else is a foreigner

[rigid fjord]

win8 to win 8.1 is no better than the win98 to win98se fixings

[glacial hound]

• Why is there still fucking stability issues?
• Oh my god I've had 3 updates fail for no reason
• Copilot

[sleek ibex]

Windows 95 was an easy OS to brick if you didn't know what you were doing

Win9X in general actually

[rigid fjord]

lets be fair, even win3.0 was easy to brick

[left dove]

"ads and spyware" elaborate
w11ui is not laggy/slow. get a better computer
settings aren't fragmented when you can easily search them
as for onedrive, no it doesn't "suck back an ungodly amount of power" I use it AND gdrive and there is miniscule perf overhead.

Try again lol

[glacial hound]

Everyone does at some point in our life, we're all stupid at some point lol

[rigid fjord]

DOS, the only os that if you tried to brick it, it called you an idiot and made you feel bad for doing so

[left dove]

"guys my computer is slow and therefore windows is garbage"

[ocean axle]

If it meets min spec (it probably does), then it shouldn't have laggy UI

I know this because I've experienced win11's UI being laggy on a very much not minspec machine

[jaunty apex]

I love running antimalware service executable

[glacial hound]

I'm staring at ads in my start menu.

I'm running a latest generation i7, and a 3060.

Did you really just try and say Windows search as a solution to anything?

It is currently using 11% of my cpu doing a basic sync.

[ocean axle]

Only time Linux ever does that is if I'm pinning the system, windows it might because it fucking feels like it

[left dove]

where. I don't use modified isos

[rigid fjord]

@left dove going through my second 7 hour 3d print

[strange atlas]

I bought kioxia exceria pro already did i make a mistake?

[ocean axle]

Windows search does work, just don't complete your query because then it'll give you a different answer that isn't the exact then you typed for some reason

[left dove]

get windows pro then lol

[rigid fjord]

nah, just more of a personal preference there knowing that they use tlc nand in them

[glacial hound]

Windows search does work, just dont use it for searching like any human whos ever used any other OS would.

[left dove]

windows search is a valid response to your cries of "fragmented ui"

[jaunty apex]

I like how someone refutes their point and you just tell them spend more money kekw

[left dove]

but windows is free*

[glacial hound]

windows search isn't a valid response to anything these days.

[rigid fjord]

tbf, windows 10/11 pro is free

[ocean axle]

Linux is free, no asterisk, it's actually free

[glacial hound]

"Just use this other broken feature!"

[left dove]

weird, because I can literally find any setting through searching on the start menu. must be a skill issue

"wuhh windows is so bad" so learn how to use it effectively

[rigid fjord]

@jaunty apex microsoft recieved no coin from me

[glacial hound]

Fuck I found the Microsoft employee in here apparently lmao

[left dove]

every os has a learning curve, it's on you for stopping a third of the way up the first hill

[ocean axle]

Open up network settings

[jaunty apex]

Meanwhile Microsoft changes the ui to bubbles and icons instead of text
Let me customize that out.. Oh wait my updates are failing.

[ocean axle]

If that's not clear on which network settings, that's the problem...

On Ubuntu, if I open network settings, that's it, there's one

[glacial hound]

On 99% of properly designed OS's, yes

[left dove]

like its so easy..

[rigid fjord]

microsoft: "you have to pay to properly use our software"

also microsoft: "here's the documentation on how activation works with some free keys, and how to make your own activation server so you don't have to pay us for activating our software"

[ebon marlin]

bruh Discord got rid of the AV1 streaming option

[strange atlas]

I have a gen 3 slot but i will put gen4 ssd(kioxia exceria pro) will it effect ssds health in the long run

[rigid fjord]

nope, just makes it run at gen 3 x4 speed

[left dove]

or just right-click the network icon..

[strange atlas]

aight than thank you

[jaunty apex]

Linux: sudo rm -rf /

[ocean axle]

Neither of those open the network settings i actually wanted

[strange atlas]

In gen 3 ssds how much i can get? will it still be better then my hdd

[left dove]

what, you want the old control panel?

[sleek ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[ocean axle]

Yup, only one that would let me disable an adapter afaict

[left dove]

took me 3 seconds

[hallow jasper]

Watching linux nerds try to justify linux desktop use as if its a windows replacement is comical. Classic case of being so used to something you can no longer see it as others do.

[glacial hound]

Why is there 2 control panels is the exact point

[rigid fjord]

yes it will be better than a hdd for speed

[glacial hound]

I do not regularly use a Linux desktop. I just hate what windows has become over the 20 years i've been using it.

[ocean axle]

I know where it is and how to open it, but it shouldn't be two different things

[left dove]

I still say it's a skill issue on all y'alls parts

win11 is fine

[ocean axle]

Oh, I'm mostly just shitting on windows, because windows has issues

[jaunty apex]

Windows: here is a troubleshooting list ranging from running dism and restarting your PC, oh also it's written by ai

Linux: user forums filled with very specific issues with detailed instructions in how to fix them, an entire wiki dedicated to explaining how the OS works and how to set it up

[ocean axle]

No, not a skill issue, I can use both fine.
Windows just shouldn't be dumb like this

[rigid fjord]

technically if you find the right gpedit part, you could make it go back to that by default @ocean axle, either that or a registry edit line

[left dove]

doesn't windows have a giant library on how windows works

[ocean axle]

Even apple gets this right, there is one place to go to for network settings

[glacial hound]

I can use it fine, and I am what people would normally consider a power user. This OS is still not good and defending them makes no sense.

[jaunty apex]

I've never been able to find it I guess.

[sleek ibex]

IDC about the Linux vs Windows debate. IK that's a debate like politics as it never goes anywhere

[rigid fjord]

yup, microsoft doc's site which has more redundancy than the local libraries

[ocean axle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hallow jasper]

ignoring the multiple text files you'll be directed to edit directly when something goes wrong

[ocean axle]

Don't care enough, it's a rare enough issue for me

[left dove]

its funny though

[glacial hound]

It wasn't really meant to be a debate, meerly a comment on how enshitifed W11 has become.

[left dove]

thats on you bro

[glacial hound]

dawg its a stock iso lmfao

[left dove]

so's mine

[rigid fjord]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/ basically

[jaunty apex]

I hated troubleshooting stuff on 10.. I can't imagine how 11 would be to me now after almost 2 years of Linux

[random gyro]

graphic design is my passion

[ocean axle]

Why do you feel the need to defend the pile of shit windows has become?

[sleek ibex]

I don't disagree, but.... it's honestly a very YMMV ordeal

[glacial hound]

Just because you are okay with enshittified nonsense, doesn't mean everyone is.

[ocean axle]

Does Microsoft sign your paychecks?

[sleek ibex]

[scarlet tartan]

Damn that one has held an incredible value

[jaunty apex]

Not to mention again AI since users don't diagnose their own issues on that os half the time

[glacial hound]

That's fair but I feel like windows search being ass and fragmented menus is kinda just a objective truth at this point

[rigid fjord]

there's some outliers that hit 300-450, but the main bulk is 150-200

[left dove]

because it's a 10c20t cpu that can sit happily at 5ghz all day long- it's a perfect budget powerhouse cpu

[scarlet tartan]

Good for home labs and all of that I guess

[ocean axle]

How does it bench against adl/rpl/arl when using only p-cores?

Genuinely curious

[left dove]

10th gen doesn't have p/e

[fallow yacht]

i just looked at a powerpoint lesson about ICT and wtf

[ocean axle]

I know

[left dove]

send me software to run on it and I can try i guess

[fallow yacht]

wtf do u need pliers for man

[ocean axle]

I meant 10th vs p-only 12th+

[glacial hound]

gonna exacto knife the shit out of my gpu to make it run faster

[fallow yacht]

i heard that there's no wiring shi when building a pc

except cable mgmt

[thorny saddle]

What OS is not good, joining late

[left dove]

Ohh ok I'm following now

[left dove]

How's the kiddo

[random gyro]

to pull out a sacrificial tooth

[ocean axle]

I mean, even just cinebench would give ballpark close enough numbers

[thorny saddle]

It was a mess at 230-300 AM

[left dove]

I read!

[ocean axle]

Windows

[left dove]

Linux

[thorny saddle]

Shes 4 so she doesn't really like... know wtf is going on - I had to bathe her at 3AM and she had this look of "Why are you washing me and why did my insides fall out?"

[fallow yacht]

i use arch btw

[left dove]

Omg poor thing lol

[viscid helm]

80% of audiences COD players voted this:

[fallow yacht]

question is y u bathing her at 3am

[thorny saddle]

"ARE YOU GOING TO BE SICK AGAIN" -- Blank stare

[ocean axle]

Yes, in its own ways

[left dove]

"father why are my guts on the floor"

[thorny saddle]

Because she woke up covered in vomit

[fallow yacht]

damn

[left dove]

Hopefully she didn't aspirate on any of it

[ocean axle]

I'm not about to say that Linux is perfect, its not.

[thorny saddle]

Nah after like 12-18 months they throw up like normal humans

[sleek ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/gendo-neon-genesis-evangelion-anime-smirk-gif-14884772

[left dove]

Oh neat

[sleek ibex]

it's still going I see

[fallow yacht]

should i sleep y/n

[thin plover]

n

[ocean axle]

I've got a pile of issues with Linux, many of them things you wouldn't run into with windows (mostly because you wouldn't try to do what I was doing but meh)

So much screaming at rdma drivers, those things suck

[glacial hound]

The biggest issue with linux is that everything mainstream has been developed around windows or mac os for a long time lol

Therefore, the issue with Linux is Windows /hj

[ocean axle]

Also, here's a fun one, because of architectural differences, windows can recover from GPU driver crashed a lot better than Linux can

The number of times I've locked up my system on Linux, but just had the driver restart on windows for the same thing, it's a lot

Well, to be more precise, that's NT vs Linux, as NT is a microkernel that can hot reload stuff, here Linux is a monolithic kernel so if the kernel driver has an issue the whole kernel has an issue

[glacial hound]

That's interesting

[thorny saddle]

My biggest issue, at scale, is Linux.

[signal salmon]

There was no gunk or anything on the o ring or the magnet

[glacial hound]

Yeah no when I'm no longer in this field/education that requires me to use windows only shit I'll be switching all my computers over to linux full time

I'm very sick of this and no longer mind a learning curve

[signal salmon]

Should i run the pump dry to see if it works

[thorny saddle]

Its easy when your Linux host count to worry about is .... 1

[glacial hound]

Oh scale is for sure a issue.

Won't argue there

[thorny saddle]

but when you have 10,000 servers with teams patching kernels and enic, nfnic, and nvidia drivers breaking because.... oh yeah Linux is fundamentally a shitshow anymore...

[glacial hound]

I will say using my GFs m1 mac left me unbeliveably frusterated but that's 200% a skill issue

[ocean axle]

No, that's a Mac issue, Mac frustrates me every time I try and use it too

[left dove]

@lethal bay

[thorny saddle]

I bought an M4 MBP 14 just because I needed a new laptop and I wanted good battery life... and there are a lot of things about MacOS that literally do not make sense, but its not too much

[glacial hound]

I can't say that for sure because I straight up know I am having a skill issue. I do not know my way around the OS. I can say it didn't feel intuitive at all.

[lethal bay]

Stop pinging me in this god forsaken channel

[thorny saddle]

The MacOS window manager does really weird things

[left dove]

nuh uh

[topaz current]

Guys this morning i woke up got on my pc and it needed a windows update, so i updated it. While updating both monitors went black and never came back on with my screen displayed but all my accessories had power to them. I booted into safe mode w networking used ddu uninstalled my drivers reinstalled them but now my display is only on my second monitor and my main monitor wont even pop up in display information

[glacial hound]

I just couldn't get used to how it would respond to things I'd do

[topaz current]

Wut do i do?

[left dove]

because you need to detect the display

[glacial hound]

IE i'd slam windows into the side of the screen tryin to snap them into a grid lmao

[thorny saddle]

The alt+tab of window/fullscreen/wtf is super strange

[left dove]

"detect other display"

[glacial hound]

I do know this is fixed with a free app but like I said. Default machine.

[thorny saddle]

like literally I will have Chrome open and Alt+Tab to Discord, and the menu bar says "Discord ---" but the window is no where to be seen

[topaz current]

Says we “didnt find another display”

[left dove]

unplug and plug back in

[topaz current]

I have 😭

[left dove]

reinstall drivers again

[glacial hound]

Also spotlight search feels like ass but I can't explain why

[ocean axle]

Have you tried a different cable?

[glacial hound]

It's still better than windows search but. not great.

[rigid fjord]

never run a pump dry, even when just testing it out

[left dove]

windows search is awesome if you index your entire drives

otherwise it takes forever

[thorny saddle]

It usually works for me but I only use it for launching an application

[glacial hound]

windows search loves to search the internet for a file i made a day ago so ill pass on that

[topaz current]

Wait now its popped up but it says device isnt active but its plugged in and connected via DP

[left dove]

so use explorer search you dingleberry

[thorny saddle]

@glacial hound I got a Logitech MX Master 4 mouse which has a nice Stage button or whatever

[signal salmon]

Okay you’re either gonna be very disappointed, or idk. It worked just fine when I ran it dry for a few seconds

[glacial hound]

Yeah it's fine for that kinda stuff. Doesn't bother me.

just not like optimal yk

[rigid fjord]

see if you can 'extend' the display

[glacial hound]

"this feature is broken so use the other feature to bypass the feature that should just work intuitively in the first place given it's pinned to the taskbar"

[hallow jasper]

@thorny saddle i chuckled

[rigid fjord]

yup, disappointed

[thorny saddle]

Most of what I do on MacOS is just web browsing shit, Discord, or I am in terminal/zsh

[signal salmon]

Does that mean it works?

[left dove]

learn. to use. the os.

[signal salmon]

One way to find out

[glacial hound]

Oh ya totally great for that. It got her thru her nursing degree which was all online and zoom stuff fantastically and it was the cheapest M1 model out at the time.

The best part about MacOs for non power users is it usually. Just works.

[topaz current]

Ily thank you

Crazy start to the morning 😂

[glacial hound]

I had to trouble shoot for her a total of like one time in 3 years.

[rigid fjord]

if it stops while in the reservoir and with coolant there then no

[topaz current]

And peyton

Thank both yall

[rigid fjord]

if it doesn't show but still lets you extend before even bothering th try and detect it all, yeah you sometimes have to manuall extend it then try to get it detect it

[tepid kelp]

AaaUug windows updated and now there's a copilot service on my start up list

[rigid fjord]

it can be disabled

[tepid kelp]

It can but still

Edge Reinstalling itself is annoying enough

[rigid fjord]

i've done all that i could to ensure copilot to fuck off

[tepid kelp]

That's why I like the ltsc version it doesn't even have the Microsoft store

I have that on my other pc

[rigid fjord]

there's a gpedit line you can do to disable it

and also forcible remove it using revo

[tepid kelp]

Edge ?

Or copilot

[rigid fjord]

edge still stays, just copilot gone

[tepid kelp]

Thanks iIl have a look I have both Revo and uninstallr installed

Apparently Uninstallr is better but

[fluid matrix]

5700 is worth it over 5600x right?

[rigid fjord]

nope

5600x > 5700

5700 = 5700g with the igpu disabled

[steel umbra]

5700 is a 5700g without igpu

and 5700g has a lot less l3 cache than 5700x

[rigid fjord]

less than a 5600x also

[fluid matrix]

Ohh I have not looked at the cache yet

So I should get the 5600x right?

[rigid fjord]

yes

[tepid kelp]

Igpu is only really useful if you think you'll need it

[rigid fjord]

wrong, it's useful for diagnostics, especially when a dgpu dies

[ashen cairn]

53 degree idle too hot? r5 9600X with thermalright aqua elite 360 v3, under load it seems normal, 20 minutes peak temp is around 76-ish degrees

[rigid fjord]

nope

a hot idle temp would anythign over 60c

[ashen cairn]

ok thanks

[tepid kelp]

Right , if you think you'll need it for diagnostics, or an extra display or for boosting rendering

[sick reef]

idc about Microsoft store

[tepid kelp]

Not having it means lots of Microsofts stuff can't even open it's greate

[hallow jasper]

what

[south arrow]

Woke up feeling like doom here's to another day of livin the dream

[dusk patio]

sure but if you don't plan on using it, I don't see the point

[rigid fjord]

all modern amd cpu's on am5 platform unless marked with 'F' on the end, and any intel cpu with 'F' on the end have an igpu, on am4 platform unless it's marked with 'G' on the end, then no igpu on any cpu, only apu's with'G' on the end had an igpu

[south arrow]

Nice to haves

[rigid fjord]

wait till you wake up and you feel everything creak and crack, and then one little bend or turn.... well

[south arrow]

Andddd we're going down lol I know that one

Sits there for a sec on your knees

XD do i know what the tickle feeling down my spine is nope, do I have time also nopee

[rigid fjord]

those sudden initial pops that come out of no-where

oh and those random cracks that well...

[winged sky]

Then you lean back and your entire spine decides its the 4th of july

[rigid fjord]

and then you bend over trying to get a shoe on, and find out you can get out of that

can't

[winged sky]

Luckily havent had that happen yet but I'm only 22 and it feels like i have a spine from a 60 year old

Soooo im very much not looking forward to what is gonna happen over time

[rigid fjord]

i have a meme/demote for you about this

[winged sky]

[rigid fjord]

heheh

[winged sky]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-gif-22299362

[rigid fjord]

check your dm instead

[winged sky]

Ah I see now, discord didn't even notify me that you sent it to my dms

[restive siren]

If i can somehow get msrp on a 5060ti, would it be a decent replacement for my 2080

[winged sky]

At that rate you should just go for something used and last gen. You'll get more bang for your buck

[restive siren]

Ah gotcha. I gotta find under 270mm

[fluid matrix]

What is a ''good'' and well cheap aRGB controller that can control each fan individually, (PWM/fan connections not needed)

[winged sky]

Honestly, I doubt anything like that is gonna be cheap

But then again someone else probably knows where to find that

[rigid fjord]

there's cheap, and then there's good ones, but never both

and the cheap ones, you tend to want to modify them

[fluid matrix]

Are the cheap ones that do not have individual control better?

[rigid fjord]

the cheap ones, depending on how cheap, can fry the connector on the mobo

[spiral gyro]

Alright so I’m happy to spend around £700 on a good laptop, preferably from Lenovo

[rigid fjord]

hence the need to modify them some times

[fierce breach]

The wall is growing

[fluid matrix]

I found a Jungle Leopard one for like 10 euros, I heard they have pretty high quality fans

nvm I found a thermalright for the same price

[restive siren]

4060ti for 329?

[winged sky]

Id still go for a 70 class card at minimum. If you're going 60 series even with a 5060ti, itd still be better just to keep the card you have. A 4070/4070ti would be a good upgrade

[paper pelican]

Someone snipe this deal fr. 5090 for 2130 usd

[restive siren]

2Gs is wild

[winged sky]

I wish I had 2k to drop on a gpu lol

[paper pelican]

Maybe it is too good to be true...

[winged sky]

Oh

Yea thats sketch

[restive siren]

I found a 4070 12gb for 499

[paper pelican]

The brand name is generic too lol

[winged sky]

I just noticed that lmao

Yeaaaaa I wouldnt touch that with a 20 foot pole

[paper pelican]

Lmao

[restive siren]

I think im gonna snag an Msi 4060ti. I dont play anything really intensive. Mostly just fallout 4/76, rollercoaster tycoon, and occasionally cyberpunk

[rigid fjord]

thing is when it comes to the hub, it's not about the fan, it's if the hub's pcb is designed in such a way that only the led's get power or if the power gets sent back to the mobo as well, and tbh you want it so that only the led's get power

[restive siren]

Or ill see if i can get a decent 30 series

[winged sky]

Ngl im still very very happy with my 3080ti

[rigid fjord]

i wouldn't touch that when you can get a 9060xt 16gb for 350

[winged sky]

Holy hell prices have dropped now?

[restive siren]

Ill pass on AMD

[azure topaz]

YEAAHHH

that will be my only contribution, carry on

[rigid fjord]

wouldn't call it a drop when it's been like that for a couple months now

[rigid fjord]

why?

[fluid matrix]

I found this one: https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/gp/product/B0BP25CTZQ
I think thermalright has the ability to design a decent argb hub so this should work fine

[rigid fjord]

probably would annoy you that i can basically get 60+ fps on all of those apart from cyberpunk with my rx590

[restive siren]

Ok

[fresh escarp]

adorable image i took cause i was bored lmao

[rigid fjord]

this is more a controller than a hub, and really only needed if the fans don't daisy chain, if you're looking at the tlc ones from thermalright then it's primarily not needed

[fluid matrix]

Can I daisy chain different brands?

[fresh escarp]

maybe

[rigid fjord]

depending on the brand, some can be done on the argb side totally fine, some can not

[restive siren]

3080 FE for 399

[rigid fjord]

might as well get a 4070 at that point

your limit per argb/rgb header is 200-240 led's @fluid matrix

[fluid matrix]

A ARGB fan has like 16 leds right?

[rigid fjord]

and a fan can have 7-30 led's depending on the brand

[rigid fjord]

see my follow up comment

[restive siren]

Oh god the 5060ti doesnt even have a full length PCIE slot

[fluid matrix]

Okay

[rigid fjord]

so??, it's only doing x8 pcie, it don't need x16 pcie

[fluid matrix]

I will try daisy chaining different brand and if that does not work I will buy the controller

[restive siren]

Its just funny

[winged sky]

Oh wtf? I guess that makes sense as I only looked at them a few times when the prices were still nutty

[rigid fjord]

i would get a cheap hub and do a single pin mod to it

[restive siren]

5060ti 12gb for 429 or 4070 for 449

[fluid matrix]

Whats that?

[rigid fjord]

the 4070

literally the 4070 having better performance there

[peak swan]

I got a free 2tb apple hdd
Has like 1.6 years on it
Not bad tbh
It was in an airport extreme i think (like the apple wifi router)

[winged sky]

4070 bro

[rigid fjord]

cheap argb hubs look similar to this, i would take a side cutter to one header on it and remove the 5v pin from it, so only that the data and ground pins are usable on that header, it ensures no power gets sent back to the mobo

[strange atlas]

How the fuck is this possible my gpu sag bracket started having a sag

[winged sky]

You need an anti sag bracket for your anti sag bracket, duh

[fluid matrix]

Ohh okay

thank you

[strange atlas]

This shit is awful

and its original XFX sag bracket

[winged sky]

Oof

[strange atlas]

bracket is something like this goes under the gpu

[rigid fjord]

the difference being that the sata power it's using can handle a higher current and with that more led's being connected from it, so then you're powering as much argb as you want without killing the argb header and controller built into your mobo

[fluid matrix]

Thermalright one also uses sata but still has 5v connected and is more expensive

so I will just buy the cheap one and do the mod

[rigid fjord]

it's also acting as a fan hub so it has additional circuitry inside

[fluid matrix]

Yeah true

[rigid fjord]

part of it is power isolation so none of it is sent back to the mobo

[fluid matrix]

So the thermalright would also work?

[rigid fjord]

it would yes, but realistically not needed as long as you know what you're doing properly

[spiral gyro]

What’s a good Lenovo PC for around £700 with best specifications

[fluid matrix]

Yeah true, I also have enough fan connectors on my MBO soo yeah I will get the cheap one

[ebon marlin]

Shit deal

5070 is same price and potentially even cheaper

[tired bear]

A used Thinkpad

[spiral gyro]

I already sent a link to one earlier

[opal dock]

Waiting for my 9070xt to arrive today is gonna kill me

ADHD sucks

Can't believe I got one for MSRP though

[tired bear]

smh not even 4k version

[opal dock]

Sadly the display port in my spine isn't high enough bandwidth

AD8K when?

[tired bear]

in development

[peak swan]

So i got a 2014 airport time capsule
And like i honestly just wanted to use the router, i don't need time machine because i don't really have many apple products so yeah
But can i use the hard drive in it as a nas? If not, i will just use the hdd in my pc, but if i can, that would be cool

[peak swan]

Lmfao

[rapid quarry]

Yoink

[grizzled frost]

"I don't know what HD is, but I got 80 of them bitches"

[ebon marlin]

ugliest modern case

[misty path]

cant decide between the 5070ti & 9070 xt... I've watched countless videos, read countless forums but it all still comes down to DLSS/FSR. FSR 4 support doesn't seem that abundant and it doesn't even rival nvidia's latest DLSS 4. There's $150 difference between the two, which do I go for?

[grizzled frost]

$150 in favor of which card

[misty path]

TI is $150 more.

[ebon marlin]

dlss 4 and fsr4 trade blows but it's just dlss has more game support

[azure topaz]

id so buy a 5070ti i wont lie

but 150$ more is pricey

[grizzled frost]

Eh..... I'd say FSR4 more so rivals DLSS3, though it is consistently a bit better than DLSS3

[azure topaz]

yeah

[grizzled frost]

DLSS4 is a big jump up from DLSS3, FSR4 is a small jump up from DLSS3

[misty path]

Yeah no, it's comparable to dlss3. Dlss4 wins in every regard, I'm just not sure if it's worth the price bump

[grizzled frost]

Imho, I'd go 9070xt

[azure topaz]

kinda just up to if 150$ is a lot of money in this context

if 150$ stops you from getting a good cpu or good ssd or power supply or osmething

then you dont really have a choice yk

[ebon marlin]

iirc there's certain thing where FSR4 is significantly better than DLSS4 I can't remember what I think it was vegetation looked better and didn't suffer from ghosting

[azure topaz]

bro fsr is ghosting sim thats gotta be cap

[serene python]

Imagine buying a new gpu

[azure topaz]

i cannot stress this enough

[ebon marlin]

that's just tarkov

[grizzled frost]

ghosting final boss

[azure topaz]

no it is NOT

[ebon marlin]

I had insane ghosting when I tried out DLSS on tarkov

[misty path]

I need to part from my 3060 ti

[left trellis]

would 16 vs 32 mb l3 cache make a big difference

[ebon marlin]

yes massive difference

[serene python]

A 3060ti would be an upgrade for me lol

[ebon marlin]

I was using FSR 3.1 and FG with my 6800xt everything looked crisp I'm certain it's just Tarkov has a very outdated version of FSR

when DLSS and FSR both were added to Tarkov both were quite literally unusable

[azure topaz]

its fsr 3.0, thats an image from 2025 bro

[ebon marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-ohne-what-vas-wtf-gif-14750849636315903969

[azure topaz]

😭

dlss doesnt give me anywhere close to the same ghosting

its insane how different tarkov looks with DLSS vs FSR

i feel like im squinting when i play with FSR on

[ebon marlin]

bro istg release state FSR looked much better on tarkov

how did they make it worse

[azure topaz]

or like im playing through tears

if i was home id log on cause man i miss that game

another 2025 fsr example

these are my screenshots btw

[ebon marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-ohne-what-vas-wtf-gif-14750849636315903969

[azure topaz]

the only actual way i got tarkov to look good with FSR is to use VSR to make the game think im playing at 4k

[ebon marlin]

brah how did they fuck up FSR so badly in Tarkov

[azure topaz]

then id use FSR to upscale from a little below 1440p

cause tarkovs normal AA is just plain bad so any upscaling is better, even FSR

[tranquil terrace]

Anyone got any value chair recomendations. Or is the ikea markus the goat? Its on sale rn for sub 200€

[ebon marlin]

I remember when FSR was added I tried it out for fun on lighthouse everything looked the same except scopes

scopes were insanely blurry

[scarlet tartan]

It's bad bad

[azure topaz]

yah

[azure topaz]

idk why but this was an issue until recently iirc

even w/dlss it'd just drop the scope render res for some reason

[left trellis]

can you just downclock 7200 ram to run it better

[scarlet tartan]

Do you mean stable?

[left trellis]

yuh

[azure topaz]

did i miss an episode where did this come from

[scarlet tartan]

If your CPU is struggling, yes

[azure topaz]

are we talking about ram i love ram wheres the ram talk

[scarlet tartan]

All RMAs have been done

[azure topaz]

oh ok i understand

yes you can downclock 7200 stuff to 6000 C30 as an example

[ebon marlin]

hmm when I move out I wanna change my build to something like an o11 or NV5 and have Be Quiet Light rings on the back fan mount

[left trellis]

wondering if a 7800x3d would be chill with 7200 ram

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ThdG3C/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-7200-cl34-memory-pvv532g720c34k

cheapest decent kit rn

[scarlet tartan]

It can tighten up the timings

[azure topaz]

all you have to worry about when buying ram if you plan to do that is to make sure you get hynix memory

[left trellis]

but arent am5 memory controllers like not good

[azure topaz]

sometimes

[azure topaz]

drop it to 6000 Gear 1

UCLK=MCLK

[scarlet tartan]

They're good enough but don't expect to break world records. They're just good.

Even with the best memory topology.

[left trellis]

just for gaming no manual OC

[scarlet tartan]

And preferably run just 2 sticks, not 4.

[azure topaz]

literally bro enable XMP and set dram speed to 6000 instead of 7200

[scarlet tartan]

Good enough

Yup

[azure topaz]

this is going to be your method

the am5 memory controller is not bad and ill explain

[scarlet tartan]

Listen to him @left trellis

[scarlet tartan]

It's pretty good for what it needs.

[azure topaz]

the issue with the am5 memory controller is that in gear1 mode, you top out at around 6000-6400 mem speed

in gear 2, every other clock counts, so its lighter on the IMC, and allows for higher clock

[hallow cypress]

Just to give an update, I managed to seperate the threaded inserts from the screws and all I did was super glue them both back in. I realised that my monitor mount was broken since it didn’t have enough resistance against gravity probably because of my old monitor being too heavy and wearing it down so it just kept tilting downwards. So knowing that I just attached my monitor to the original stand and I’ll buy a new monitor stand later

[azure topaz]

but because of this you need at minimum properly tuned 7600 in gear 2

[left trellis]

alr fs

[azure topaz]

so if you dont have 7600, and you dont want to actually overclock, enable XMP, set 6000MHZ dram speed afterward, save and exit

if you care to play with it, find out what brand makes the chips in your rams (ic's). you can do this in CPU-Z via the SPD tab

if its hynix you are in good luck

[scarlet tartan]

Cool server tag you have

[azure topaz]

if its anything else i would not bother

[left trellis]

is that what the 1:1 vs 1:2 stuff is about

[azure topaz]

yes

every board past 6000 or 6400 will put your shit in 2:1 by default

1:1 will not go past 6800 on even a unicorn chip, i wouldnt expect more than even 6200 in 1:1

[left dove]

floppa do you wanna buy my 10850k & 64g of ram

[azure topaz]

how much

[left dove]

case and cooler and board added, $450?

[azure topaz]

i really only care about the cpu and board

[ocean axle]

Now I wanna see how far I can push my unicorn

[left dove]

I'm tryin' to sell it as a set otherwise I'll never get rid of this case 😔

[azure topaz]

then hit me up if you still have it in a week or two and we can negotiate something different

[left dove]

Hokey dokey

[azure topaz]

meow

[left dove]

meow indeed

[scarlet tartan]

It's not a bad deal actually

[azure topaz]

you can manually set 1:1 mode pretty easily and i suggest you do this when you set 6000 manually

[azure topaz]

no but i have no need for a full sized ATX rig

it'd be used on the testbed rig

[scarlet tartan]

Understandable

[azure topaz]

at least coming from someone who already has 6 in their room atm

[ocean axle]

only 6?

[azure topaz]

i said full sized atx

[scarlet tartan]

That's impressive

[azure topaz]

no i just like comptuer

the tag i have is a warning not a flex

[scarlet tartan]

How though?

[left dove]

I like computer too but I have too much computer and I'm already satisfied with my server

[azure topaz]

its just all i do

[ocean axle]

I have 3 in operation, and 5 more not in active use

I think, might have more

Atx or larger (some are eatx) not counting my servers

[azure topaz]

im a fan

[ocean axle]

At least 6 boards*

So, 9 total

Then a gaggle of smaller things too

[azure topaz]

i have a couple random net appliances

[ocean axle]

Net appliances?

Like, firewalls?

[azure topaz]

yeh

[opal dock]

Is that FSR 3 or 4

[azure topaz]

FSR3

[rigid fjord]

fan connectors on mobo's, eh don't daisy chain more than 3 fans per fan connector, and you'll be golden

[opal dock]

Well my 9070xt should come in within a few hours, so I'm gonna look and see how bad the ghosting is with FSR4 on some games

[azure topaz]

FSR4 is per game

[opal dock]

That Fsr3 ghosting looks bad

[ocean axle]

I have probably the most overkill firewall (for home use), it does exactly what I wanted it to do but it's kinda nuts

[azure topaz]

even if you have an FSR4 gpu, you dont get FSR4 in every game

[opal dock]

Yeah I know, but I'm pretty sure BF6 has FSR 4

[azure topaz]

hope so

[azure topaz]

i have a SOPHOS XG3 Rev.3 i think and im bringing one of the ML340 things i have with the haswell cpu

[ocean axle]

Specs on the sophos?

[opal dock]

Probably not gonna go heavy on it though, stay with quality or balanced, because upscaling form like 540p usually looks ass to me

[azure topaz]

i dont remember

low power chip with sockted DDR4

full sized DDR4

[ocean axle]

Well, mines got a 12900h and 64GB, because that's reasonable

[azure topaz]

mine was free and has like redundant psus (although external) so its kinda cool

that is a banging firewall however

mines somewhat cool cause it has a million interfaces so its actually super useful as like a router too without addin cards

also, its a 135 rev 3 i think

[ocean axle]

I've got a 2x25g card in mine, and use vlans

[maiden juniper]

#1438219980893061202

[ocean axle]

It'll pass 25g like it's nothing

[azure topaz]

mine might pass 2.5 if you ask it nicely

[spiral gyro]

I’m blind so screen size does not matter, I’m constantly going to be running two windows virtual machines and I will be using my PC for Internet browsing

A good PC around the $700 range would be great, I’ll constantly have the laptop plugged in

[azure topaz]

im so lost

PC, PC, then jumps to laptop at the end

do you want a desktop computer or a laptop

[ebon marlin]

bro looks absolutely fucked up

[azure topaz]

if youre going to leave it plugged in constantly, please do not buy a laptop

[ivory mountain]

what did bro smoke

[azure topaz]

you can have a small deskop i assure you, theres probably space

[spiral gyro]

I’ll get a laptop so that if I’m travelling I can just take it with me

[south arrow]

I had a battery once upon a time many years agooo

[spiral gyro]

And take the power cable

[spiral gyro]

PC and laptop are the same

[azure topaz]

a 700$ laptop is not a lot of laptop
a 700$ computer is a good amount of computer

[spiral gyro]

Mate definitely want to get a laptop

There are some on Amazon for like £500 – £600 – £700 but not sure how good the CPUs are

[forest wyvern]

What for exactly? How often do you travel?

[ebon marlin]

there's an Acer 14 AI+ with a 226V that's really solid i'd recommend that

[forest wyvern]

What do you do on the vms, as in do they need high amounts of ram or CPU?

[spiral gyro]

Honestly depends

Say I’m going away on a trip or a holiday then I would take it

[forest wyvern]

Because if it's a holiday once a year then id say no

[ebon marlin]

for Intel laptops 200 series is basically the minimum as previous ones are hot garbage

[forest wyvern]

Go for a desktop and if possible as your blind so your more limited try streaming thru moonlight or parsec

[ebon marlin]

200V series is insane it's better than AMD in effiecency and more powerful it only loses to AMD's AI MAX 395+

[forest wyvern]

Scamquest did you have a laptop previously?

[azure topaz]

do you need a dGPU?

[spiral gyro]

I’d rather purchase a laptop for portability just in case and I use OBS

[forest wyvern]

I don't think they do

2 vms and web browsing shouldn't need one tbh

[spiral gyro]

For recording mostly yep

[azure topaz]

i mean he could play games and stuff too so im just asking

[forest wyvern]

How much was that laptop and what where the specs?

[forest wyvern]

He's blind though

[spiral gyro]

Lenovo idea pad 3–15 ITL6 with 16 GB of RAM

with 250 6GB storage

[azure topaz]

idk if this is good or bad but 679 for a 226v omnibook seems ok

[forest wyvern]

I've only ever heard of one blind gamer using the sounds of the game to be able to play

[spiral gyro]

was like 300– £400 on Amazon but I want to get a better laptop

[azure topaz]

okay i was thinking like

partially blind

😭

[forest wyvern]

They didn't mention that they said screen size don't matter

[ebon marlin]

that's US not UK

[forest wyvern]

So I'm assuming fully blind

[left trellis]

is 16mb of l3 cache fine?

context provided

[azure topaz]

fucking pond skippers oh m god

[ebon marlin]

16mb is dogshit

[spiral gyro]

Yep

[grizzled frost]

There are people IRL who can use echolocation to navigate the world

[left trellis]

thank you cat toe

[azure topaz]

the 5500 and 3600 game the same tho

[ocean axle]

Do you want a better laptop, or just a better computer in general?
Generally it's recommended to have a good desktop and a good enough laptop, if you don't absolutely need the perf to be mobile

[azure topaz]

so idk what theyre geekin about

[grizzled frost]

"bigger number better"

[left trellis]

I seeeeeeee

[azure topaz]

5500 also gets 6c usage without latency penalty

[forest wyvern]

Got it

[spiral gyro]

Scambaiting stuff

[forest wyvern]

Ah like KitBoga got it

What's wrong with your current laptop that you feel the need to upgrade?

[spiral gyro]

I think my virtual machines had like 4GB of RAM

[spiral gyro]

Issue with SSD

It’s almost full

Also my PC crashed when I was running my VM so I forced shut down and I got critical process died error

[ocean axle]

Why not replace the SSD then?

[forest wyvern]

Ahh, maybe look at getting the SSD replaced or do you want a new system?

[ocean axle]

Assuming it can be replaced

[spiral gyro]

I can’t even reset, windows does not detect the SSD yet it shows up in my bios

[bleak ledge]

They have got to be trolling at this point

[forest wyvern]

😂

[spiral gyro]

They want to charge me like $100 for a 250 6GB Drive

[glossy veldt]

what games can i play on this

[azure topaz]

issey miyake jeans w/da chrome hearts

[forest wyvern]

Tom Clancy ghost recon or splinter cell maybe?

Doom

Definitely not crisis

[forest wyvern]

Are you able to get someone to upgrade the SSD for you with a 1tb for the same price?

[ebon marlin]

hopes and dreams

[spiral gyro]

Not sure

I just want to upgrade at this point

[forest wyvern]

Ah got it

[spiral gyro]

I’m UK based

[glossy veldt]

its got 256mb

[spiral gyro]

And I want a new laptop ASAP

[glossy veldt]

is it good enough

[forest wyvern]

Maybe a family member could upgrade for you, shouldn't be hard if it's replaceable

[spiral gyro]

I want to get a new laptop

[ashen cairn]

doom the dark ages

but genuinely id see if tmnt 2007 runs good on that

[scarlet tartan]

GUYS THERE IS A STEAM MACHINE

[ebon marlin]

semi custom

what does that mean

is it an igpu or a dgpu?

[azure topaz]

its an igpu probably

[scarlet tartan]

Good job on the 6 core thing

[azure topaz]

semi custom means its cut down chips amd makes beforehand but then further cut down/binned to steams clock spec

i dont think its fully custom chips

[ebon marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-ohne-what-vas-wtf-gif-14750849636315903969

[azure topaz]

well its obviously not but

pretty sure its some APU they cut down

[scarlet tartan]

There's no RDNA 3 apu

Maybe it's 3.5

[azure topaz]

we'll see

i do not have high hopes based on the specs

[scarlet tartan]

There's seperate memory

[azure topaz]

seems like its going to be a machine thats uhhh

[ebon marlin]

oh wait hold on this is actually interesting

[azure topaz]

relevant for 2 years then gets cucked further on

8gb vram and a 6 core cpu limited to 30w

[ebon marlin]

the Z1 Extreme uses an RDNA 3 gpu that has 12CU's

[lapis talon]

@azure topaz turns out that problem was my Windows installation itself

[scarlet tartan]

Slower than the 7600XT

[azure topaz]

so it could be the pre cut down ver of it idk

[lapis talon]

oculus software installed perfectly fine on my crusty old thinkpad

[ebon marlin]

so this is a very capable gpu in the machine

[vast thorn]

ram prices going to the moon

[azure topaz]

8gb vram

[lapis talon]

Now I need a way to reset windows without losing any important stuff on C drive

[lapis talon]

Any recommendations?

[ebon marlin]

OOH

ITS A 7600M XT

[forest wyvern]

Reset via windows settings and keep files or back them up

[ebon marlin]

wait not the XT

it matches the 7600M

RDNA3 and 28 CU's

8gb of gddr6 aswell

perfect match

[azure topaz]

i am not excited

[scarlet tartan]

Laptop hardware

[ebon marlin]

I mean, ofc it's a minipc

[azure topaz]

8gb vram is sad

a 30w 6 core in a mini pc is sad

[subtle storm]

is discord broken on pc or sum

[scarlet tartan]

It might be cheap though

300-400 dollars

[azure topaz]

hopefully

that would be the redeeming quality

its a machine that is already out of date that isnt long for this world

[scarlet tartan]

I think valve knows the market too well to make it $500

[ebon marlin]

30w for cpu is fine the Z2 Extreme and Z1 Extreme both are really powerful at 30w for both cpu and gpu

[subtle storm]

anybody got any idea what this is? my computer shut down for some sort of issue with "KERNEL-RAM" too

[azure topaz]

that is my issue with the valve hardware releases

[azure topaz]

both of those are hand held battery operated devices with cooling limits

[scarlet tartan]

Zen 4 is efficient so yes

[azure topaz]

the cube of doom isnt

why not just make it real

[ebon marlin]

same thing was with Steam Deck were you really expecting them to be any better lol

[azure topaz]

yes because i hoped they were going to learn

[scarlet tartan]

Steam Deck is still balanced for what it is

This is half baked

[ebon marlin]

Steam Deck's gpu is 8CU RDNA 2

[azure topaz]

8gb vram, 16gb system mem, a gpu roughly 50% more powerful than a ps5

it will be usable for the year it comes out i guess lol

already quite the handful of modern games that dont like 8gb vram at 1080p

[lapis talon]

Keep files doesn't really help

[azure topaz]

most should be ok esp if youre smart about settings (i hope valve is handling that)

[ebon marlin]

i mean lots of games have steam deck specific settings would expect the same with the steam cube

[azure latch]

DAMN STEAM MACHINE WTFF

[scarlet tartan]

I'm still excited for it

A $300 machine won't hurt no one

[ebon marlin]

the steam controler looks dogshit

[azure topaz]

at 300-400 it will be good

but if its like 500+$ idk man

[ebon marlin]

I have the steam deck the fucking trackpads are so useless

[azure topaz]

no screen so i have hope it can be kinda cheap

[ebon marlin]

i'm expecting it to be 499 for the 512gb model

[azure topaz]

399 please subvert expectations

399 and 499 for 1tb

id be moderately mad at the 100$ increase but its ok normies dont care

[tulip storm]

is there anything i need to know before buying a laptop with a snapdragon x processor?

[ebon marlin]

too cheap

you've got too high expectations

[azure topaz]

i expect reasonable gaming pcs at reasonable prices

youre giving me a 30w 6 core and a handful of cus

[ebon marlin]

7600M's are already very expensive for what they are

[dusk patio]

depending on what software you want to run, it might not be ideal

[ebon marlin]

if you look at egpu's 7600M's are 500-1000€

[azure topaz]

im seeing a 7600M XT egpu box for like 300$

[left trellis]

this is not build advice

[azure topaz]

oh nvm google gave me wrong result lol

[left trellis]

what is ztt even about dawg

[azure topaz]

i think this is because the people who make these are smoking crack

[plucky frost]

i only get 130fps in codmw3 i have 14700k and rx7900xt no vsync no lock gpu is at 43% and cpu at 20% when i am in firing range map, shouldnt it use 100% of my gpu? i mean i paid for the entire thing

[left trellis]

thats not how utilization works unfortunately

[plucky frost]

is there a way to get higher fps?

[tulip storm]

probably just word, powerpoint etc. maybe some adobe premiere, but i have a desktop so it will mostly be used for school

[dusk patio]

only 130 fps is a crazy statement, I would love to have that issue tbh

[azure topaz]

if minis forum can make a n 800$ pc with a 7945HX and 7600MXT i think a shittier one can be 500$

[plucky frost]

lol true but my monitors refreshrate is higher and i would like to be able to utilize it

[left trellis]

settings if your gpu is holding u back
maybe closing other applications if cpu
resolution and other stuff

is mw3 harder to run that warzone?

[azure topaz]

the issue is that amd mini pcs with a gpu just dont really exist

[plucky frost]

easier i think, small map quick shooter

[left trellis]

this is anecdotal which obv isnt fact but with a 13700k 7900xt I got around 200 fps on warzone 1440 max

maybe a lil under idr

[azure topaz]

sounds kinda right

[plucky frost]

it dosent feel like 130fps at all tho, i turned graphics up to extreme my gpu is at 47% cpu at 20% and it feels like 60fps something is wrong because it wasnt like that before

steam overlay says 110-130fps

[azure topaz]

do you have frame gen on or something lol

[plucky frost]

no

[azure topaz]

idk im gonna call shit ram then

[plucky frost]

i mean my ram hasnt changed, it felt better before

[azure topaz]

unless you have actual data the only thing im going off here is the usage values

if the CPU isnt 100% (or high) and the GPU isnt 100%, then something else is the problem, that something else is (possibly) ram

[dusk patio]

you can look up SnapdragonX software compatability, but I think you should be fine with that

[plucky frost]

i have ddr4 3200mhz

[azure topaz]

yeah

how much of it

16?

[plucky frost]

128gb loooooooool

[azure topaz]

oh lol

but im going to go out on a whim and say the new shooter odesnt like 8 year old memory

go thru and follow a DDU guide, reinstall the latest gpu drivers

reset ur bios to default and then re-enable XMP and see if anything changes

if not assume its just a hardware being slow issue

[plucky frost]

i just dont understand why i would suddenly lag from it, minecraft utilizes 100% of gpu why dosent cod

[azure topaz]

just do this and hopefully itll work

[fervent schooner]

I hsve a 550w psu superflower 80+ gold around 5 years old will my 2080 ti be ok with it i only have a 65w drawing cou

[azure topaz]

should be fine

[fervent schooner]

Alr

Ill do an idle power test forst

[azure topaz]

it will be fine

[rigid fjord]

i'd sooner deal with the 8060s tbh

[ebon marlin]

8060S is 2k for cheapest unit

[random gyro]

Can anyone help me? I am trying to build my first ever pc i need helping picking the parts

[ebon marlin]

steam machine is gonna be 500 dollars

[rigid fjord]

that's the only downside sadly

[little fossil]

they said entry level pc pricing

not console pricing, 800 dollars minimum

[pale flint]

#1106613567966429224

[random gyro]

did

[pale flint]

wait i guesss

[ebon marlin]

if its 500 bucks I'll get one most likely as a backup pc

or a pc to keep at one place

also planning on getting a Lenovo Legion Z1E so a dock could also be good enough

[gilded harbor]

Heya! I've been very out on brand status for SSDs, what's the current trend for M2 drives? Is WD still the best pick overall? Seen kioxia around a lot but I never tried that brand, any bad experiences?

[ebon marlin]

get whatever is the cheapest that uses TLC

[gilded harbor]

Ha, would you say tlc's are preferred over higher gens?

[ebon marlin]

TLC is just a type of flash

[forest wyvern]

How so? Honestly backing up things to an external drive or flash drive would probably be best

[ebon marlin]

if ur only gaming and doing basic stuff then gen doesn't matter

[gilded harbor]

Yeah but if u had to choose no tlc but gen5 or tlc but gen4? Not a real case scenario but trying to see what are the "priorities" now

[ebon marlin]

I don't think there's any gen5 ssd that uses QLC

[gilded harbor]

Last time I got an SSD was when write/read longevity was still a real problem jajajja

[ebon marlin]

what country are you buying from and what budget/what size are you looking for

[strong oriole]

Hi

[brazen glen]

If this is true then it is truly the year of the Linux desktop

[gilded harbor]

Spain, just looking around for now, I have 2 tb HDD, I will replace it with either 1 or 2 tb SSD and then make my own local Nas

[azure topaz]

why are we like this

[ebon marlin]

no confirmations but that's gonna be my guess

[brazen glen]

It is a joke

[azure topaz]

every year is the year of the linux desktop

[brazen glen]

That’s the joke

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[ocean axle]

TLC > QLC, regardless of everything else

[gilded harbor]

Ey respect my boy Linux, got into it 3 years ago, not going back (I have a hidden pc with windows for gaming but don't tell my dad)

[ebon marlin]

seems like QLC is only used in enterprise and data center stuff for Gen5

wow 2tb nvme's are expensive currently

[brazen glen]

Qlc great for random IO

[ebon marlin]

that P400 Lite 2tb used to be 90 bucks

regularly aswell

[brazen glen]

And most of these are handgrenade SSDs aside from patriot and wd

[azure topaz]

what about adata

and msi

[brazen glen]

Bad bad bad QA

[azure topaz]

and mushkin

[ebon marlin]

Mushkin is also pretty good

[azure topaz]

this is according to whom

[brazen glen]

I don’t know enough about who hi builds MSI

[ebon marlin]

wasn't Kingspec Microcenters own brand?

[azure topaz]

no

[brazen glen]

I have bad experiences with Adata

[azure topaz]

how many

[ebon marlin]

i remember Microcenter had their own branded psus and ssd's

[azure topaz]

inland

[ebon marlin]

oh yea inland

[azure topaz]

and power spec

[brazen glen]

Inland is rock solid if unspectacular

[brazen glen]

Bought one of their 2tb drives a few years ago and apparently right afterward they costed everything down including the controller and dram cache. Even though I got a “good” one it was still dead in 5 months

[gilded harbor]

Half this brands I've never heard back in Spain jajajaj, I think we rock Kingston, WD, Samsung and kioxia as mains here

[azure topaz]

and you used your manufacturer provided warranty to get a new one right?

youre telling me that because you had one bad experience with adata that its a terrible brand 😭

[brazen glen]

Hell no I did not want crap that didn’t even have an accurate spec sheet

[azure topaz]

[ebon marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/our-brains-are-amazing-our-brains-are-umazing-uma-umamusume-ishowspeed-gif-3599177896681087311

[brazen glen]

Adata has always been a value brand and I’m not surprised they have duds, you get what you pay for

[azure topaz]

every company has duds is what you dont understand

this is like saying corsair ram is bad because the one kit you got didnt do xmp

and then you didnt do anything about it not hitting XMP

[ebon marlin]

no idea what size ssd ur looking for so i'm using 2tb and that Kioxia Plus G3 is pretty solid

[brazen glen]

Corsair has real customer service unlike the noted titans of industry Adata

[ebon marlin]

corsair..

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

[humble nexus]

https://youtu.be/yQykvrAR_po?si=kYbZTa5ELAI87Hxb

[gilded harbor]

I mean I got an HP laptop once and I think I ain't buying hp again in my life jajajajja, battery puffed up in one month and I was way too dumb to have it replaced 🫡

[azure topaz]

this is reasonable because that can cause a housefire

[ebon marlin]

this guy doesn't talk about anything other than task manager

[topaz shale]

valve finally did it

[brazen glen]

HP stands for hinge problems, etc

[humble nexus]

He talks about other stuff, i don’t watch his content often, but the stuff i have watched has always entertained me

[ebon marlin]

@brazen glen what's ur opinion on Kingston

[gilded harbor]

And to be fair, the laptop was ass, ain't good even for coding

[azure topaz]

i have a random msi m450 in my rig

and an oem 990 pro

[brazen glen]

They’re okay? Last I checked they hadn’t totally sold out and started plastering their name on everything from some random ODM

[azure topaz]

the lack of care i have for my flash storage

[ebon marlin]

fairs

[gilded harbor]

I can get the kioxia exercia plus G4 for 150€, not a bad deal tbh

[ebon marlin]

I bought a Kingston KC3000 one of the best Gen4 drives and it was defective day 1

[azure topaz]

my roommate has a MP33 in his computer and hasnt mentioned anything about the ssd lol

maybe an MP33L

[ebon marlin]

does ur mobo support a gen5 ssd slot

[gilded harbor]

My drive security is holding on hopes and dreams, I have everything important in a 15 yo hhd, nothing on cloud, if my hhd dies I die with it. I really need a nas on raid jajajjaja

[azure topaz]

i simply have no important digital documents

[gilded harbor]

Yup, 3yo pc, don't remember the board but was pretty new

[azure topaz]

i have backed up photos ig but theyre backed up everywhere

cloud and such

[ebon marlin]

if you've got a B650 board for example alot of B650 boards don't support gen5 ssd's

i'd recommend checking it out before spending extra on an ssd because of it's generation

[gilded harbor]

Ah i might have spoken too soon, yeah its a B660M-A, UP TO 4.0

[azure topaz]

b660m is intel

[gilded harbor]

good call there, thanks!

[azure topaz]

so thats cool