tech-chat-1

[swift moss]

Lol

[kindred halo]

Anyway I know my screen is shite but atleast it's not AliExpress shite

[swift moss]

It seems very left and right though, some say it's amazing and some say it's trash, guess that's a testament to AliExpress quality

[kindred halo]

I need to figure out how to fix saturation on Samsung screens hhhhhhh

[sturdy cargo]

aight aight, yeah I'm looking on fb marketplace as well but i'll look on ebay the now

[swift moss]

I love AliExpress for myself, when I'm dealing with customers, hell naw 😭😭

[kindred halo]

Quality Control depends on the mood

[swift moss]

That is so true

[kindred halo]

"Feeling nice not gonna get the 5 year old sweatshop worker fired today idk"

[sturdy cargo]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1082188323733377/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks this look any decent for price?

[swift moss]

When their qc workers have a 5 minute break the production keeps going 😭😭

[sturdy cargo]

it's fb marketplace

[swift moss]

I feel like they will get fired if they stop too many bad screens because that's expensive losses lol

Cheaper to just scam customers and not refund

Or refund if they are super insistent

[tidal geyser]

that psu looks like its going to do what a rpg does

[swift moss]

They aren't losing any money + it's like 1/1000 bad purchases that are so stubborn

[kindred halo]

Don't forget the companies that just disappear once you purchase from them

[hexed tapir]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/8vbdcx

Fixed

[swift moss]

I mean most companies on AliExpress are quite large now if you buy from AliExpress choice

[kindred halo]

Eyyyyy we're both using Gamdias cases :3

[kindred halo]

Yeah I understand that, but you still gotta remember the random brands that pop up and disappear once they ship

[rigid fjord]

don't ever bother with marketplace for pc's when you're in the uk

[kindred halo]

It's like a store that packs everything up into a disguised U-Haul and runs off once you leave

[swift moss]

Fair enough

[rigid fjord]

could do an r5 7500f/7600 + b580 also

[sturdy cargo]

I get paid in a few hours so depending on what I can find on ebay I may very well order all that stuff and build my first pc aha

[swift moss]

You can charge back aliPay payment processing platform in that case if it's a massive purchase, imo not worth getting your Ali account purged

[tidal geyser]

god dam this makes me feel bad feels

[frigid blade]

Lessgo we got the fiber installed

[tidal geyser]

as long as you still have plenty of reserve money then i do not

[sturdy cargo]

Nah I’m working with like 3.5K but I got shit loads of bills too and want to get my provisional an shit and some other stuff sorted ahaha

[tidal geyser]

yeah wait on a pc if possible

[rigid fjord]

do not get a pc with an r5 5500 inside ever

[kindred halo]

That's assuming I even have one lol

[sturdy cargo]

You never know tomorrow I might get that one off of awd it and make you all disappointed I chose the easiest way out to get probably a mid tier pc 😆

[kindred halo]

The only online shop I've bought from was Shein

[sturdy cargo]

Why hahaha

[kindred halo]

For tiny little accessories

[swift moss]

Yeah it's not a direct payment

[kindred halo]

There's also this tech brand there

SOYO I think?

[frigid blade]

It’s probably shite

[kindred halo]

They make 2060S' lmao

[swift moss]

I pay my purchases to AliExpress London

[kindred halo]

As in refund, or paying THEM?

[swift moss]

What I think sucks is that they change their fucking address every 3 days

[sturdy cargo]

That’s fair that’s fair haha

[swift moss]

Paying them

[kindred halo]

Oh, odd

[swift moss]

A couple months ago it was www.aliexpress.com as the paying account, now it's aliexpress (all lowercase lol)

Then back to aliexpress

During the same day

[frigid blade]

I think I might work as an ATT tech

It’s fun what they do, you just run cables outside and inside, their installations

2 hours per location

Double pay on weekends

And it’s union

[sturdy cargo]

thoughts?

[random junco]

no

hold on wait

how is that 378.25

[frigid blade]

Coupon

[rigid fjord]

really bad combo purchase

[swift moss]

And their PayPal address is "PayPal *AliPay EUR"

[random junco]

well no shi bro 😭

[frigid blade]

You asked I answered

[rigid fjord]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cLFxjn

[sturdy cargo]

Wdym?

[hexed tapir]

Any idea how much UK AliExpress 7500f are?

[random junco]

Liam. Does your profile picture consist of yourself, as a person, exhaling intoxicants?

vro ur nt tuff

[rigid fjord]

it basically has a 4th gen intel i7 inside and you'd be paying more than it's worth for the build

[sturdy cargo]

it's heroin smoke

[random junco]

Interesting.

[rigid fjord]

around £150, which ain't worth it when you can get the 7600x for £155

[sturdy cargo]

ahh i getchu i getchu

but still would that run alright, looks fuck load better than what i have rn and still pretty cheap

[hexed tapir]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008073087420.html oh 112£

[random junco]

what do u intend to do on it

[rigid fjord]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156805571591 nope, but the one i just linked will do, it's also much better specced

[sturdy cargo]

play like rust and custom zombies on black ops 3. I got a ps5 for anything really else

[frigid blade]

You can have a pc that looks good and runs like shit lol

[random junco]

prime example of my old pc before i upgraded

[random junco]

sell the ps5, keep the controller, spend double money on a crazy good pc

[sturdy cargo]

yeah i got numped with the one i got but i was in dire ned so i could playu defiance again so not too bothered about it

[frigid blade]

Then you gotta buy the games for pc

[rigid fjord]

i'd swap the case and gpu on this, resell the gpu on to make some money back and shove in either a b580 or a 7700xt

[random junco]

do people actually actively spend money on a 3050 on ebay? 😭

[tidal geyser]

the 3050 is at least usable

[rigid fjord]

surprisingly yes

[random junco]

thats concerning

[tidal geyser]

still funny a 3050 has dlss 4.0

[frigid blade]

I’m so glad the ONT is built into the modem/router now

[tidal geyser]

im not

[frigid blade]

I didn’t really want a big ass box on the side of the house

[sturdy cargo]

I mean I could but my missus uses the ps5 so I'm tryna avoid selling it haha but that was going to be the plan

[tidal geyser]

wat mine is in the house

there are 2 fiber lines that come in too

[random junco]

oh youre married

Interesting

[sturdy cargo]

nah but we ben together 3 years

I don't want to sell my soul away yet im only 20 lol

[random junco]

ben

[frigid blade]

ATT usually installed the separate ONT outside where the termination is

[tidal geyser]

gramps

[random junco]

marrying someone is NOT selling your soul vro do NOT mix that up 😭

[frigid blade]

Er, sorry, just outside, termination inside

Wait, wtf did they even do

[modern walrus]

i bet that is a 2nd gen i7

[frigid blade]

They did this before

[sturdy cargo]

I mean you never know these days unless you read the fine print aha

[rapid torrent]

im sorry to pop in and potentially interrupt but I made a thread in tech support and would really appreciate some help if someone can take a look (its about PC Case fans) Thank you so much, sorry again!

[tidal geyser]

i prefer that as you can do your own gateway ez pz

[random junco]

go on then !!

[random junco]

hey i do not have an ONT

[modern walrus]

can't recommend a b580 with this bad of driver overhead

[frigid blade]

The ATT gateways are fine, nice 5Gb port

[tidal geyser]

in one game?

[random junco]

i never knew a cpu could heavily impact performance by THAT much

[tidal geyser]

also at 1080p in 2025 XD

[rigid fjord]

4th or 6th gen more likely

[tidal geyser]

since it does not

also was that not something a massive case last year or something

[rigid fjord]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405418673569 also another viable r5 5600 build that's reasonably priced for it's specs @sturdy cargo

[rapid torrent]

sorry im not sure what you mean

[random junco]

you may ask your question

[modern walrus]

multiple https://youtu.be/00GmwHIJuJY?si=0LHoxjPgV0kSWsmX

[rigid fjord]

you never read the small print in the marriage certificate did you?

[hexed tapir]

Can and will be fixed with drivers Nvidia had the same problem years back

[gloomy sleet]

it definitely is selling your soul

[gloomy sleet]

the entire thing is in small print

[rigid fjord]

they have the same driver issues, currently not just years back tbh

[frigid blade]

Always sign a prenup

[tidal geyser]

biggest in the world

[rapid torrent]

oh I made a thread over here https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1374122167033401395

its a lot of info so i dont want to spam everyone or interrupt. I'd love if someone could help me out though!

[tidal geyser]

m yes massive

[random junco]

@rapid torrent i was gonna ask for the thread link but since its recent ive found it so dw

[gloomy sleet]

100%

[tidal geyser]

could not be worse

[frigid blade]

And update it when your finances change

[hexed tapir]

https://youtu.be/JLEIJhunaW8?feature=shared drivers fix these issues

[modern walrus]

yeah most likely will be fixed in the future but I wouldnt buy a GPU to get a promis in the future, I would want my full cards performance now imo

[tidal geyser]

its already fixed

[gloomy sleet]

you have to renew prenups?

[tidal geyser]

well ofc with modern hardware

[frigid blade]

There’s an imposter Daniel

[frigid blade]

No I mean update them when your finances change

Amend it

[gloomy sleet]

oh yeah obviously

[sturdy cargo]

Is the RTX 3050 not better than the gtx1070?

[tidal geyser]

i would way rather have a 3050 then even a 1080 tbh

[sturdy cargo]

So between that and the one I found on eBay what would you go for?

[gloomy sleet]

same

[sturdy cargo]

The core i7 3050

[tidal geyser]

i dono some r5 7500f and b580

[sturdy cargo]

I'm thinking this but with the core i7

[clear canyon]

Bruh, dont

It has the same dog shit cpu in it

[sturdy cargo]

yeah but i can upgrade that can I not?

[clear canyon]

No

[rigid fjord]

it would be a fair bit better yes, you still have a ton of upgradability with either one i linked

[tidal geyser]

no

[clear canyon]

You are buying intel, you will buy into a dead platform

[hexed tapir]

The i3 10100 will beat that unnamed i7

[rigid fjord]

no, do not look at any quad cored i7's

[tidal geyser]

ngl even a 8100 might

[clear canyon]

Not the 10th gen i3 😭🙏

[rigid fjord]

even a 12100f would tbh

[tidal geyser]

a 12100f beats a 9700k

[hexed tapir]

12100f would murder it

[sturdy cargo]

right i'll avoid intel altogether for cpu haha

[rigid fjord]

and a 5600/5600x murders a 12100f

[tidal geyser]

r5 7500f and b580

[modern walrus]

whatever you do don't buy an Ebay PC

[tidal geyser]

what why????

[sturdy cargo]

Why hahaha

this look better?

[tidal geyser]

no

omg he just got sent to hell

[tidal geyser]

if its shipped GREAT buyers protection.

[tidal geyser]

he is lying its not a 5060 its a 4060

[sturdy cargo]

is v expensive but the same type of specs?

[modern walrus]

they are bad, that 3050 is going to be bottlenecked by that i7 4th gen🤣

[sturdy cargo]

okay okay I'll avoid this one like the plague ahaha

[modern walrus]

fr I was expressing my feelings of that CPU choice

[random junco]

excuse me..

[tidal geyser]

well we the people who do this day in day out already sent him some GOOD ebay listings

[modern walrus]

pls buy that

[tidal geyser]

no

[modern walrus]

what's wrong with a 5060

[tidal geyser]

like a 500 pound pc or smn

[tidal geyser]

its not a 5060

its not possible AT ALL

[frigid blade]

Yah there’s a lot of sellers who list GPUs incorrectly hoping buyers won’t notice

[sturdy cargo]

any good?

[frigid blade]

I returned 3 computers before I got an actual 4090

[modern walrus]

yes

[frigid blade]

I wish eBay actually punished those kind of people

[hexed tapir]

Better then the others you posted

[tidal geyser]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/k8XFMC

[frigid blade]

Sparkle

https://tenor.com/view/glitter-surprise-celebrate-yes-awesome-gif-5113774

[hexed tapir]

One of the best so far even better then mine

[tidal geyser]

:3

[modern walrus]

has that nvme drive got dram sir?

[hexed tapir]

Wait a620 mobo that's why it's cheaper

[frigid blade]

@hexed tapir wanna look over my micro ATX build, $1.5k budget before taxes

[tidal geyser]

does it matter at all??

[tidal geyser]

a620

anyways you are not losing out on anything with it anyways

[frigid blade]

I’m still trying to see if it can be improved any more

[rigid fjord]

wrong, you just don't buy the ebay specials, you do actual research on ebay

[modern walrus]

yes because the system will perform bad after a few reads and writes

[hexed tapir]

CPU ocing

[tidal geyser]

no??

[hexed tapir]

Sure

[tidal geyser]

nope PBO is still a thing on em

[frigid blade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8hxJ2x

[rigid fjord]

dumb question asked tbh, dram cache ios not needed

[sturdy cargo]

this sarcastic lol or should i actually consider this pc?

[tidal geyser]

i think its just manual OC something you should never do on ryzen

[frigid blade]

I feel for the price, it’s pretty well specced

[warped plover]

Not even newegg respects intel

[midnight meteor]

lol

[modern walrus]

make sure you wish him good look with them hdd speeds

[hexed tapir]

Use the $20 in fans on a better case

[rigid fjord]

totally wrong

[tidal geyser]

where did you get any of this from

[rigid fjord]

the mp33 pro is tlc nand, not qlc nand

[rigid fjord]

his arse

[sturdy cargo]

what we think of the liquid cooled one though?

[frigid blade]

You don’t need liquid cooling at your specs

[tidal geyser]

no

[rigid fjord]

pointless

[warped plover]

peerless assassin would do the trick

[modern walrus]

https://youtu.be/ybIXsrLCgdM?si=Vm38rB28uiJRF2Ea

[sturdy cargo]

what's that?

[tidal geyser]

HAHAHAHA

[warped plover]

air cooler from thermalright

[modern walrus]

still the same tech

[tidal geyser]

we are not buying a 2.5 sata ssd??

and its not QLC

[true stirrup]

Technology advances you know

[tidal geyser]

also most SSDs have a cache like thingy built in

[warped plover]

Im seeing only sata ssds in this video

[sturdy cargo]

ahh right i getchu, would you reckon I go for it anyways an say fuggit? I just wanna run rust at at aleast 60 fps and black ops 3 at 60, 120 would be a bonus aha but idrc ahaha

[frigid blade]

Why are we assuming 7 year old tech in NVMe SSDs?

[rigid fjord]

this is about as good an info as using curdled milk for drinks

[warped plover]

The liquid cooler wont do much I assure you but sure go ahead

[rigid fjord]

nein

[tidal geyser]

550MB sate vs 2200MB nvme drive

[frigid blade]

The liquid cooler won’t get you from 60 to 120 fps

[rigid fjord]

aircooler from idcooling for the same performance but cheaper

[sturdy cargo]

i don't mean the liquid cooler itself i mean the pc with the liquid cooler though does that look okay or should I avoid

[frigid blade]

If you care about performance, build your own pc and budget parts well

[warped plover]

Fair enough

[tidal geyser]

I FUCKINHG KNEW IT

[tidal geyser]

just make the list i sent

[sturdy cargo]

what if i break something while building it xD

[tidal geyser]

skill issue

[frigid blade]

You shouldn’t

People say building a computer is hard, if you read manuals it isn’t

[lapis talon]

Requires serious amounts of stupidity to mess up (I shouldn't be saying this)

[warped plover]

Or follow along a youtube video

[frigid blade]

Exactly, I watch a YouTube video for my mobo connectors on my first build

[lapis talon]

The first time I unplugged the front panel connectors accidentally, my heart stopped

[warped plover]

Yee, I didnt know there were words on the motherboard when I did mines

[rigid fjord]

skull issue**

[tidal geyser]

i would not call 150GB a few but you do you

[tidal geyser]

skjull issue

[lapis talon]

I was trying to plug an age cable in that was above the front panel connectors but

There wasn't enough room because of my gpu

[rigid fjord]

age cable?

[lapis talon]

Argb**

[tidal geyser]

also this is the non pro

[sturdy cargo]

Icl i'm definitely just buying one pre built I'll avoid intel and go for ryzzen though haha

[modern walrus]

thanks for tell me i guess but in the toxic manner we are all here to learn

[lapis talon]

Back then I didn't know how to deal with PCs properly (still don't but way better than I was back then)

And I got so scared

[sturdy cargo]

I might buy this

[hexed tapir]

The list we sent are better

[tidal geyser]

you also cant just go around saying what ever you please

[sturdy cargo]

it's pre built, i don't gotta worry, it should let me run rust and other games moderately better

[tidal geyser]

also there is no point for me to give a shit, every time somebody does this shit a lot of the time it takes a lot of time to explain stuff like this was not the case

[tidal geyser]

the 7600X and b580 is better in every way

more ram and better

[sturdy cargo]

I know but I'd end up fucking up my own build ahaha

[frigid blade]

Why do people want help and when you’re offered a way better price to performance option they don’t want it

It’s a good learning experience to build a computer

[hexed tapir]

You would have to feed your parts to your puppy to fuck up

[modern walrus]

"HAHAHAHA" "I FUCKINHG KNEW IT" nice way to get a point across

[tidal geyser]

yea

[frigid blade]

You’ll know how to troubleshoot if something happened because you’ll have a basic understanding of the insides

[rigid fjord]

at this pricing you should be looking at lga 1700 builds or am5 builds tbh

[modern walrus]

so as you say, you shouldnt worry about getting a dramless drive if you are getting nvme?

[tidal geyser]

i already sent a list

[tidal geyser]

if its TLC

[rigid fjord]

i sent one also before

[tidal geyser]

here is a list of TLC ssds and QLC ssds
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/htmlview?pli=1#gid=0

[clear canyon]

Dram only matters for large file transfers, gaming it does not matter

[tidal geyser]

even SLC and MLC

[rigid fjord]

not even then unless it's to do with video editing

[clear canyon]

Yeah, or something like a nas

[tidal geyser]

its funny when a guy bought a 4TB p3 plus and was i think extracting a large file wondering why his speeds were stuck at 70MB

[rigid fjord]

the only reasons to have a dram cached drive is if it's sata 2.5 ssd's or you're 3d rendering, video editing or mass code compiling

[tidal geyser]

unless you are doing 25gig even HDDs are fine

[frigid blade]

Yah 300MB/s is good

[tidal geyser]

dram can be good but now a days does not reall matter

[clear canyon]

Eh

[gentle kestrel]

the last dramless drive i owned made league stutter of all things so i just spend the couple bucks extra for a quality drive

[frigid blade]

For a regular user?

[clear canyon]

1GB/s and higher is good

[gentle kestrel]

probably works better now with hmb but not something i care to try again

[frigid blade]

What do they need that for though

[tidal geyser]

and then doing optane for metadata

[clear canyon]

Not hard to achieve, any decent nvme can achieve it

[clear canyon]

I use my optane for write cache

[rapid torrent]

heya, could I get another set of eyes on a thread I posted? I could use some help. https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1374122167033401395

thank you, sorry!

[clear canyon]

Sorry, I'm blind, I cannot read your messages

[rapid torrent]

thats okay

[boreal vine]

Man no I remember why I tend to avoid windows for development

[frigid blade]

You do passthrough or partition?

[boreal vine]

Mac OS all the way

[rigid fjord]

any ssd can be cache for that tbh

[plain cypress]

Real men have fabs dram on their SSDs

[clear canyon]

Ikr, it made my life so nice, I have a gen 3 nvme for write cache and the optane for read

[clear canyon]

Ik, i mean for just big boy transfer stuff

Same

[tidal geyser]

i wanna do dat too

[plain cypress]

Where steam link pro ultra Max

[frigid blade]

Have you tried partitioning?

[tidal geyser]

ama try and get my landlord to DMZ my gateway

[clear canyon]

Lmao

[frigid blade]

I found the impact on performance between a partition and host is super small

[tidal geyser]

bob how smort is it to DMZ a extra gateway

[frigid blade]

Yah, you can

I just don’t know which drivers you move to the guest

Why? AMD issue?

You’re copying drivers directly from the host so that’s not the issue

[rigid fjord]

a decent 1tb or 2tb ssd would work for that, especially an nvme one

[frigid blade]

Won’t any TLC NVMe be fine?

[rigid fjord]

it would but the bigger the drive, the more it has to fill up as cache before slowing down no?

[frigid blade]

I have no clue

[tidal geyser]

minecraft

[clear canyon]

Yup, thats why mine are 500gig write cashe and 16gig read cache (the optane was 15 bucks and it's 16gigs lmao)

I thought it was funny

[odd marsh]

playit.gg

[clear canyon]

Yeah but it's laggy af

[odd marsh]

It’s fine

[clear canyon]

Random lag spikes

[odd marsh]

I’m close to a server though

[clear canyon]

It hates modded servers

[odd marsh]

Sim check out the mod modflared

[odd marsh]

Ah mines just vanilla with the bedrock/java crossplay mod

[tidal geyser]

also doesn't people need to have the playit on their own pc

[odd marsh]

No

[clear canyon]

Ah, i ended up using tailscale lmao

[tidal geyser]

from my understanding DMZ just forwards all the ports?

[odd marsh]

I’d check out modflared

[tidal geyser]

kinda just opens that thing to everything but considering i have a unifi gateway with a shit ton of different protection stuff i feel safe enough

[odd marsh]

You just need your own cloudflare domain and the mod installed

[clear canyon]

What does that do, never looked at it

[clear canyon]

I see, I'm not paying money rn, too broke lmao

[frail topaz]

@tidal geyser all of these for $130 what do you think

[odd marsh]

Ah, I paid like $10 for a year

But valid af I get it

[tidal geyser]

in Norway most places have a public ip

[odd marsh]

If tailscale is working no need to change

[tidal geyser]

i dono nice also fyi the cooler comes with thermal paste

[clear canyon]

Its as fast as the server network speed is 😄

[tidal geyser]

cant be faster then 150 rn

[sturdy cargo]

hahahaha i just won a grand

buzzing now i can get a better prebuilt hahahaha

[frail topaz]

yeah but i got the thermal paste for my other projects, now im regretting it i shouldve gotten this one but whatever

[clear canyon]

Won? Congratulations

[frail topaz]

also what do you guys think that is a good thermal paste to buy in bulk other than aliexpress GD-2?

[odd marsh]

I liked modflared for modded servers as you can just include it in the mod folder pack and it should just let them connect

[tidal geyser]

just to see if im thinking right, lets say i make a minecraft server with my setup then portforward on my unifi gateway for the server it will just work well should right?

[clear canyon]

Awsome

[tidal geyser]

then it will just go to the puplic ip

[sturdy cargo]

yeah put a tenner on slots and won 950 quid on a 10P spin hahahaa buzzinggg

[rigid fjord]

save that £950 in to building a pc

[tidal geyser]

hmmm how does one do that

i cant portforward on cloudflare

i just wanna play minecraft

[formal sonnet]

You don't need to. That's the point of CloudFlare tunnels?

[tidal geyser]

then every person would need the cloudflare client

[bronze summit]

I play Minecraft Java Vanilla with Vibrant Shaders on

[clear canyon]

That's the downside to tailscale

[sturdy cargo]

might get a pc with bigger budget now

[tidal geyser]

main issue with tailscale is that you still need to port forward

[clear canyon]

No

[tidal geyser]

for good speeds

[bronze summit]

I haven't really played with shaders or mods mainly because it got tiring

[tidal geyser]

i meant
the benefit of tailscale is that it still works without it

[clear canyon]

I got the full gigabit speeds without that

[tidal geyser]

wat

[formal sonnet]

Yup. Your options are either:
a) use a VPN/tunneling service, which requires all devices be "part of" that service/network.
b) use a VPS (either your own, or playit.gg) between the Minecraft server and players.
oh, or c) get an ISP connection that doesn't restrict what you can/can't do with it.

[tidal geyser]

welp im either going to buy my own networking or just use my own gateway and change my entire networking setup

i still feel like DMZ should work

[clear canyon]

Or run a wire to every end users pc 🤑

[tidal geyser]

i think i explained it wrong maybe i dono

[rigid fjord]

can't a cloudflare dns point to the tunneling ip?

[merry nest]

the b60 looks interesting, i wonder how it will game, given its a professional card

[formal sonnet]

Yes, however, the free tier only handles web traffic, and you still need to port forward if you're just doing DNS.

[clear canyon]

I want the duel gpu version

[rigid fjord]

ah bugger

[merry nest]

yeah im curious about that one

wonder if games can take advantage of two gpus

[clear canyon]

No

[formal sonnet]

Not really anymore. SLI / Crossfire died years ago.

[merry nest]

not even when they are on the same like, board?

[rigid fjord]

was thinking the dns would be what everyone else joins using while it feeds to the tunneling ip and that then sends to the portforwarded server

[clear canyon]

Close to a decade

[tidal geyser]

gtx 690

[merry nest]

funny

[lost lance]

should i touhc this weird copper circle piece on my crt monitor it looks dusty and i think i need to dust it

[formal sonnet]

Dual GPU (on the same board) is NOT the same thing as Dual GPUs (2x same model of GPUs on a motherboard).

[clear canyon]

No, and linus also said it's 2 gpus on 1 board, but they are not connected, they act as 2 separate gpus, the whole point of it was to put more gpus in a server

[merry nest]

ah

missed that

[formal sonnet]

If you're referring to something like this, then what @clear canyon said.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/maxsun-unveils-intel-dual-gpu-battlemage-graphics-card-with-48gb-gddr6-to-compete-with-nvidia-and-amd

[clear canyon]

Dude i want that duel gpu, that gets me excited, haven't seen a duel gpu in ages

🤑

[merry nest]

maybe it will be a rendering beast for video editing idk

ai is a given

[plain cypress]

It's 2 B70s in a single PCIe slot trench coat

[formal sonnet]

Eh, if your workload can make use of it, would be nice. Thing is, most professional GPUs aren't designed for gaming, and more importantly, games aren't developed to take advantage of professional GPU compute power.

[tidal geyser]

it should be

[plain cypress]

Why are we dueling GPUs

[tidal geyser]

work computers are not meant for gaming, OMG

[formal sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/jt-futurama-philip-j-fry-fry-shocked-gif-10556106116645062769

[clear canyon]

To put more gpus in the same server

[plain cypress]

But why pit them against each other

[merry nest]

i enjoy making things do things they are not supposed to do

[tidal geyser]

:3

[merry nest]

i need gaming benchmarks NOW

[clear canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-friday-angry-funny-gif-14345886

[rigid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/the-grinch-audacity-outrage-angry-mad-gif-27203802

[plain cypress]

Oh you mean dual GPUs

[clear canyon]

Yeah, they got a new intel card that has 2 gpus on 1 card

[plain cypress]

Yeah I was commenting on the spelling error the whole time

[clear canyon]

But linus did say that it will accept gaming drivers, so its totally possible

[merry nest]

honestly i suspect they will be weaker for gaming

[clear canyon]

Well yeah lol

[plain cypress]

Lower clocks than B580

Also blower coolers be loud

[clear canyon]

Workstation/server gpus are clocked lower for stability

[limber nacelle]

it's not going to be better than a single b580

[merry nest]

not that we can't adjust that after the fact

[limber nacelle]

actually it'll probably be worse because of this ^^

[plain cypress]

These may actually be locked down

[clear canyon]

Not all are overclockable, but id assume these will be

[plain cypress]

Or less apt VRMs

[clear canyon]

Linus said they are not blocked like other ones from amd and nvidia

So possibly not

[plain cypress]

I thought he was referring to AIBs being allowed to make these cards in different form factors

[clear canyon]

That too, intel isn't limiting them to a design

[merry nest]

he says intel won't prevent you from installing gaming drivers

[clear canyon]

There are some with 8pin power, the duel has the burning cable connector

[plain cypress]

If they can be OC'd I probably wouldn't expect that much OC headroom is all
But I think they could still keep the clocks on these locked regardless of the driver

[rigid fjord]

because they don't know how to duel banjo's

[clear canyon]

We just gotta see

[plain cypress]

The B50 I'd imagine is locked since its designed for slot power

Well I guess it technically could have no power limit slider but unlocked clock

[green tide]

I lost track of how many days into the melted gpu fix I am but it’s working good after a few days of running :)

[green tide]

Yes :)

[formal sonnet]

Good luck. 1MB is well under the minimum requirement.

[rigid fjord]

not possible, also would be one of the dumbest things possible someone could do

[rigid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/disneytoons-movies-disney-toons-cartoons-gif-14670267254775627272

[green tide]

I only have one bit of ram, is all u need. Just page the rest

Lmao

[rigid fjord]

nope that's just you

[green tide]

Actually I have android 15 on my switch

Very useful :)

[bronze summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-gaiden-2-ninja-gaiden-4-ninja-gaiden-remake-ninja-gaiden-2-black-ninja-gaiden-gif-1326268309045975561

[green tide]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-goku-mad-goku-dbs-dbs-gif-11120329515669448575

[formal sonnet]

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, it's best not make claims about things that aren't possible.

[green tide]

It probably is possible if ur willing to go through weeks of headaches and if ur like MattKC or something but no one is going to do that and the solution would genuinely just be page everything.

[rigid fjord]

and run everything way slower while fucking it up even more so, nah

[green tide]

I’m not saying it’d be practical

[gentle kestrel]

where are we storing the page file in the 1gb drive that won’t even fit the os itself

[ivory sorrel]

Could be very silly, I want to see it happen

[granite onyx]

How much FPS would you get on medium graphics red dead 2 on these specs

[night urchin]

how big of a problem is this 😬😬😬

[formal sonnet]

Kind of a big problem. All Operating Systems need some free space for "working" temporary files.

[mental mural]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CNBzRV

What upgrade would be recommended for 400£
Main games : occasional triple a title , cyberpunk, r6 and beamng

[rigid fjord]

a very not good one, potentially can slow down the drive a fair bit

[night urchin]

dam 😔

[rigid fjord]

cpu and gpu

[ivory sorrel]

It’s building up pressure and will explode, you should hand it to your worst enemy

[night urchin]

bet

[mental mural]

5700x3d with 32gbs and save up for 5070?

[plush wren]

[tawdry zinc]

what's the software to use for a simple NAS build nowadays?

[oblique hill]

Hey guys, I want to build my own NAS, but which NAS software allows automatic phone backups like Synology's DS file app does?

[tidal geyser]

Swap

[tidal geyser]

Nothing

You need to use a 3rd party docker

[tawdry zinc]

does the photoprism + photosync combo still work?

[tidal geyser]

That is not a phone backup that is only pictures

[tawdry zinc]

oh gotcha

[plush wren]

[rigid fjord]

5600/5600x and get a 6700xt/6750xt/6800xt/7700xt

[rigid fjord]

you'd use nextcloud in a docker

[latent pasture]

id get the better gpu first ngl

32gb ddr4 used is cheap so probably that
then gpu
then upgrade cpu

[mental mural]

Am4 is no longer getting better cpu might aswell get the second best cpu on that platform for gaming

[latent pasture]

@mental mural

[tawdry zinc]

I upgraded from 5600x to 5700x3d

[gentle kestrel]

assuming you’re at 1080p i’d say go x3d first

3060 is fine™️ and you’ll see a bigger benefit at the low res

[feral turret]

I’m having trouble deciding whether I should go for an IPS monitor or VA. I’m upgrading my 1080p monitor to a 1440 p monitor and the ips panels are a bit more expensive but should I spend the extra or is va just as good. How does it compare?

[tawdry zinc]

I would also go cpu first, you may have lower fps but likely you'll get much less stutters than if you would have a 3600x + 7800xt

[latent pasture]

x3d brainrot
youll only see the benefits if u pick an extremely high end gpu AND then proceed to choose not to play at high resolution

[frail topaz]

hey guys, for some reason the usbc port on my case doesnt work. Does anyone know where i can find a replacement (or what to search on Aliexpress) ?

[tawdry zinc]

nah, there's plenty of games that I play in 4k high that are still CPU bottlenecked, that's why I upgraded

[tawdry zinc]

is it plugged in to your motherboard?

[frail topaz]

i need almost exactly something like this just for the usbc port to be a little more exposed

[gentle kestrel]

i saw good uplift at 1440p depending on the title going 12900ks -> 7800x3d

[latent pasture]

for every 1 game that x3d benefits at high resolution theres 20 games that benefit if they got a better gpu first instead

[gentle kestrel]

considering zen 2 is pretty aged i’d replace that first

[frail topaz]

yup, triple checked and re plugged, tried with different usb devices too, also tried charging

[latent pasture]

pardon me for looking at benchmarks and data instead of age as a reason for replacement

[tawdry zinc]

yeah even if they get a 5600x, I'd get that before the gpu

[gentle kestrel]

anything zen 3 really

[gentle kestrel]

the benchmarks and data would align with that though

[latent pasture]

.

[formal sonnet]

This is very similar to the one I bought for my case that didn't have USB-C front panel at all.
https://www.amazon.ca/MZHOU-Motherboard-Extension-Internal-Charging/dp/B083FRW542

[latent pasture]

you mean the benchmarks using an rtx 5090 at 1080p?

[gentle kestrel]

that’s how you test cpus yes

[frail topaz]

this is quite literally exactly what i need lmao i just need the usbc to be a little more exposed and to be able to find this on aliexpress cz amazon doesnt ship here

[formal sonnet]

The black housing around the USB C port was mostly just rubberized plastic, so you could trim away some of it with a sharp box cutter knife.

[frail topaz]

oh yeah sure that too

[rigid fjord]

with a scalpel**

[tawdry zinc]

yeah fair enough, the 3060 probably wouldn't allow for the 3600X to be bottlenecking in enough cases for a cpu upgrade to make sense immediately

gpu first

[oblique hill]

Well thats sucks :c Guess I'll be paying for iCloud again once I got rid of this Synology diskstation

[frail topaz]

@rigid fjord they restocked + a big ass discount on everything ended up getting all of this for $130

[formal sonnet]

Yee. Scalpel, box cutter, acetalene torch. Really, whatever you have lying around that's both sharp and sturdy.

[mental mural]

Then might aswell go am5 soon as possible

[frail topaz]

i am having a hard time finding this on aliexpress for some reason

found this??

[tawdry zinc]

loads more expensive, and considering your GPU budget it isn't gonna do a whole lot for you to upgrade to AM5 now

[latent pasture]

what does this have to do with anything

[mental mural]

I mean after gpu

[gentle kestrel]

buy gpu now, get new platform later is how i read it

[latent pasture]

if ur income isnt 0 or incredibly low its better to get the best gpu u can now since youll eventually earn enough to upgrade the cpu too
if the budget is exactly 400 forever then thats when it makes sense to do the get 5600/x+ midtier used gpu thing

[rigid fjord]

noice though the cooler itself comes with mx-4/mx-6 tbh

[rigid fjord]

this is male to male usb C

[latent pasture]

hmmge

[frail topaz]

yeah but i wanted that for some of my other projects

[mental mural]

If I have income get a 5070 and upgrade later on and if 400 rn get a 5600x with a 7700xt ?

[frail topaz]

found this which could be of use but the usbc on my case is more exposed

[latent pasture]

kinda yeh

[mental mural]

Not exactly double performance from a 3060

[latent pasture]

1.75x on 1440p, still pretty big

but ye u need to step up to 5070/4070S/7800xt tier for the 2x

[sturdy cargo]

Right so I think with some consideration what imma do is I’m going to just upgrade what I have, even though it’ll be basically a whole new pc - imma get a new motherboard, imma get a new cpu for said motherboard, ram, and a new graphics card, and a new power supply, and I’ll keep the case and cooling

[mental mural]

True 7800xt is very close to double performance and is about 70 more than the 5060ti

[rigid fjord]

now that is a type E header for usb c to female usb c, and you could easily trim the sheating back to expose more of the usb c female if needs be

[frail topaz]

im guessing that these are universal and should work fine with my rm850?

[high elm]

i’d double check

as an extension yeah it will work

[latent pasture]

extensions work on any psu bc they go on the output side of the cables which are standardized

[high elm]

if it’s directly connected to the psu then i’d double check it

[formal sonnet]

Extensions should work fine, as they're just extending the end of an existing PSU cable. However, I would advise NOT extending PCIe power cables going to a GPU, especially if the end of the cable is using the Perfectly Never Catches Fire or Melts™ 12pin mini power connection for newer GPUs.

[frail topaz]

yeah im not planning on extending that because corsair just sent me a type4 cable for their psus to 12vhpwr so im fine with that plus i have the nitro+ 9070xt which hides the cables so it doesnt get seen at all, im just talking about the other cables in the system, CPU EPS & ATX 24P

[ivory sorrel]

Next generation of GPUs will just have a wall plug attached

[rigid fjord]

i'd sooner use corsair's own premium cables instead tbh

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920215/premium-individually-sleeved-psu-cables-starter-kit-type-4-gen-4-aca-a-black-cp-8920215 like so

[frail topaz]

yeah but theyre super more expensive and out of stock

[ivory sorrel]

70 series will require an appliance outlet

[frail topaz]

also out of stock LMAO

[rigid fjord]

you only go for the starter kit not the pro kit

[frail topaz]

fair enough cz i only want the cpu eps and atx 24p

[rigid fjord]

which is purely in the starter kit + 2 pcie cables

[frail topaz]

yeah i know

[rigid fjord]

you could look for sellers of it near you

[frail topaz]

lol ur funny

[ashen tangle]

dude is this stolen😭 like its way too cheap

[gleaming rose]

or a scam

[ashen tangle]

also true

[ashen tangle]

yeah no its defintly a scam

[frigid blade]

Duuuuuude

I want this

[analog island]

lol, too big for my tiny hands

[frigid blade]

Just found 64gb ddr4 2400 LRDIMMs for $40 each

That’s kinda a snag, considering 16x32gb is $380 cheapest I could find, 8x64gb is $320

[novel quiver]

how good are teamgroup ssds compared to other companies?

[floral bone]

How’s this for price? Cad btw

[clear canyon]

Massive ass scam

You should mail them a pipe bomb /s

[floral bone]

Lmao true

[trim gyro]

wow it's 50% off

that's a steal!

[frigid blade]

And the description says $3500

[torn granite]

don't you all love when you are trying to record your computer crashing and it refuses to crash? Maybe it is camera cra-shy

[oblique hill]

It means you found the fix

[frigid blade]

No I would hate that probably

Just record 24/7 and you’ve fixed it

[torn granite]

i am willing to bet my livelihood that it will crash as soon as i stop recording

[trim gyro]

just pretend you're not looking

[oblique hill]

Get a secrutiy NAS or NVR, point camera at it 24/7. Solved

[torn granite]

it crashed during my work hours today :v

[torn granite]

thought of it, but it's a stress induced crash, it's a faulty gpu

[rigid fjord]

raspi build with a camera and use that to monitor it

[torn granite]

i am considering using my 3d printer's camera to record my usage until it finally crashes

it is connected to a headless laptop that probably has enough storage to do so

but it is mildly infuriating that i can't seem to replicate the right stress patterns to just straight up record it

[rigid fjord]

threaten it with a sledge hammer, it'll start working properly again for you

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ARukaDFuYow it works with cars tbh

they say violence isn't the answer, because it's the solution instead

[alpine heron]

has there been any update on the 9800x3d + asrock boards issues?

[maiden snow]

how much you think my pc worth?

Ryzen 7 5800x3d
Rx7900xtx
B550m ATX
Corsair 32gb ddr4 3600mhz
2TB NVme SSD
1tb sata HDD
500gb sata for OS

[alpine heron]

about treefitty

[rigid fjord]

around 800

[maiden snow]

Wat?

What currency?

[alpine heron]

dead on what I was thinking. 800 to 900usd sorta range

[maiden snow]

Ouf

[rigid fjord]

whatevver your currency is

[maiden snow]

CAD

[junior valve]

3 billion

[alpine heron]

so multiply that number out a bit

as usd vs cad

[maiden snow]

Sooo?

[junior valve]

1 usd is like a gazillion cad so do the math

[alpine heron]

hard to keep track oof the exchange rates at the moment

last i recalleed was around the 1.3 range

[maiden snow]

I’d sell the GPU for 1500?

[alpine heron]

so like 1200cad ish

[maiden snow]

Ohhh that’s it

A 4090 here is like 7k

[alpine heron]

but how much is a 9070xt?

and then remember your system is used so knock off a bit

[maiden snow]

Like wtf are these gpu prices

[alpine heron]

thanks again. i have the insert and stuff ordereed. went with an lg drive though

[proper gull]

Violence isn't the answer, it's the question. The answer is yes.

[alpine heron]

luckily those areent your gpu

[maiden snow]

I can’t afford that 😂

[forest lotus]

5070 cyclone

[maiden snow]

Pound?

[sturdy cargo]

i got this went a lil over budget but i think i done well cause it's brand new and i can have some room for upgrades in the future what we thinking?

[maiden snow]

I want to get this case the heat that comes from the rx7900xtx is ridiculous

[sturdy cargo]

that's sick, also yes GBP, did I over pay??

[junior valve]

get the 9000d airflow

[thorn cove]

some questions about AI generated graphics...
a. Does the difference in architecture make that big of a difference? FSR 4 and FSR 3 seem miles apart but are only limited to the 9000 series cards which is out of my budget right now. Hearing all the rage and people talk about AI frames online makes me want to spend extra to buy it but I think its not worth it to go 200$ overbudget for that right?
b. Coming from a GTX 1060, do I need to know anything beforehand when turning it on?

[sturdy cargo]

also btw I got the ryzen 5600 i think instead of 5500 cause someone said 5500 is bad ahaha

[maiden snow]

5500 is that bad but 5600 is better even the ryzen 5 5600x is good I ran that with a rx6700xt

[sturdy cargo]

so overall you think i done good?

[maiden snow]

Yes it’s a start

I started with a ryzen 5 3600 Rx 570

[sturdy cargo]

it's like a fuck load better than whatever this thing is hahaha

[south arrow]

That moment when your cricket phone corrupts

[maiden snow]

Wat thing

[whole garden]

wormm

[sturdy cargo]

meant to send this like 15 minutes ago but my puppy shat and got a we bit on the floor cause his pads are apparently not good enough hahaha

[empty quartz]

I just got a free (potentially dead) ssd from work

[grizzled frost]

if its dead, turn it into a keychain

[left dove]

we dont need to know that, also stop using speccy.

[empty quartz]

Nah, im gonna see if i can get it working

[grizzled frost]

obviously, but if it ends up being completely dead, might as well turn it into something cool

[empty quartz]

Nah, if it still dont work, im using it to prove a point to a wd glazer

[grizzled frost]

i'm tempted to buy a dead LGA cpu and turn it into a keychain

[fading shuttle]

is there any way to know how long Intel UHD Graphics 630 will maintain driver support?

[sturdy cargo]

you do ned to know that. he told me to tell you

[empty quartz]

Ask intel

[fading shuttle]

so that's a no

but i feel like drivers for iGPUs are less important than drivers for dGPUs

[empty quartz]

You dont need to manually install igpu drivers

[lapis frost]

RTX 4060 or RX 7600XT what do you guys like more?

[empty quartz]

Neither

[trim gyro]

ideally neither

[empty quartz]

Even after your edit, neither

[frigid blade]

wow he chose overpaying for a prebuilt even though he was on a budget

[fading shuttle]

true, but the question is how long it will receive updates

[empty quartz]

How are we supposed to know?

[fading shuttle]

idk

sometimes people are able to predict it based on company history

[trim gyro]

if we make enough gusses, one of them is bound to be correct

[empty quartz]

Thats like asking a dodo bird what the meaning to life the universe and everything is

[frigid blade]

doodoo bird

[empty quartz]

We cant know because none of us are the ceo of intel (afaik)

[frigid blade]

i finally got the hotspot tethering bypass to work

no more shitty 5gb limit

[empty quartz]

Huh

[sturdy cargo]

what me lmao, hell yeah, looked decent enough and was a lot less stressful hahah

[frigid blade]

our phone plans have a 5GB hotspot limit

[empty quartz]

Wtf 💀💀💀

[frigid blade]

you can bypass it using an app on android called PdaNet

[frigid blade]

because nobody needs a hotspot, we pay for unlimited data

then you dont overpay for extra hotspot data

[empty quartz]

Unlimited data means no limit, doesnt matter if you do hotspot or not

Thats false advertising

[frigid blade]

find me any isp that does that

no isp has truly unlimited data

[hexed tapir]

My home Internet

[empty quartz]

My isp does

[frigid blade]

we're talking cellular

[frigid blade]

what is it

[empty quartz]

Telus

[hexed tapir]

Unlimited then throttled speeds

[empty quartz]

Yeah, which is still unlimited

[formal sonnet]

Throttled speed, by definition, are a type of limit. 😉 Therefore, connections that throttle speeds after a certain amount of data cannot legally advertise their plans as "unlimited."

[frigid blade]

thats why i said truly unlimited

youll always get throttled past a certain usage

[empty quartz]

The throttle telus does to my phone is still like 500mbit

It actually doesnt even make a difference because my sim is too old

[hexed tapir]

Give it a young blood transfusion

[formal sonnet]

Same for my cellular data usage because my phone is from 2017. Doesn't even support VoLTE properly.

[empty quartz]

We dont even have that here

Fuck verison, and fuck at&t

[frigid blade]

im going off of this

https://www.telus.com/en/support/article/telus-fair-use-policy

[frail delta]

You can get anything if you're willing to pay

[hexed tapir]

Become the isp

[empty quartz]

So you’re going off of that when im literally the one who uses telus?

[frigid blade]

yes, youre 1 person, compared to the actual company

[formal sonnet]

Alright alright, clam down. 🐚 Are we, perhaps, conflating Telus HOME internet vs Telus CELLULAR plans? Both are subject to different limitations and/or rules...

[frail delta]

You may also be on a legacy/grandfathered plan

[frigid blade]

No thats cellular, its mentioned multiple times across the page

[empty quartz]

Probably

That might explain why its never slowed down after data maxes out

But i dont need to worry about data limits anymore

Iirc, my limit is like 250-300gb/month

[frail delta]

The FUP is also likely seldom enforced

[frigid blade]

512Kbps is a standard throttle speed afaik everywhere

[empty quartz]

Its never been enforced for me

Just used to get a message, and that was it

[frail delta]

Nope :)
Telstra and their MVNOs throttle mobile services to 1.5Mbps after a service exceeds it's data cap

[frigid blade]

lucky

[empty quartz]

@frigid blade wanna know the funny thing

[frigid blade]

what

[empty quartz]

Im pretty sure my isp doesnt even have a hotspot limit

[frigid blade]

maybe not ur plan

i just looked at the home page and the limit is written for each plan

[empty quartz]

Its a limit for the whole plan

Not for only hotspots

[frigid blade]

yah but that includes hotspots no?

[broken perch]

ACTUAL CORDLESS FANS HOLY SHIT

https://youtu.be/n5M8fWLK6bI?si=Q894qKVRvNWTA1Px

Let's goooooo

[empty quartz]

If my plan is 50gb of 5g speeds, i can use 50gb of data however i want

[frigid blade]

what else would shareable data mean

[empty quartz]

Not cordless

[broken perch]

Watch the video

@empty quartz

[empty quartz]

@broken perch

[broken perch]

@empty quartz

[empty quartz]

They’re not cableless

Just have a cable grommet to hide them

Gn fell the fuck off

💀💀💀

Examples

[broken perch]

Its like a dock for the fan. But you can literally take the fans out, and walk away with them spinning. I'd call that cableless

First I've seen it implemented this way. Just love seeing new tech become streamlined.

[empty quartz]

Not the first to do that

Corsair has had that for ages

[frigid blade]

Bro that’s like saying a charger is wireless because you can pull your phone out anytime while it’s charging

[empty quartz]

@broken perch corsair did it better

[frigid blade]

Is cool tho

[broken perch]

I just love seeing tech that was obscure, become more streamlined. Like the Back to Front motherboards for instance. The all in one front IO cables, lol.

To be fair, all cases should be giving all in one front IO cables now. I HATE even to this day, having those crappy little individual cables.

[empty quartz]

Moyai

[broken perch]

-_- hate hard line cooling.... so much.

Works great. Looks great. Pain in the ass the build.

[hexed tapir]

Why is it because it's hard?

[empty quartz]

This is clearly not hardline

[broken perch]

Custom loop, however you wana word it.

[empty quartz]

There is a major difference between hard line watercooling, and soft tubing

[broken perch]

Not really. It's still essentially the same just matters on the material. And the tools needed to do what you want with the line.

[limber nacelle]

fix that sag yo

[empty quartz]

You might need to actually try watercooling your pc before you say something like this

[broken perch]

Its still a line going from a pump / reservoir to radiator etc.

[limber nacelle]

nonono they're quite different in terms of difficulty

hardline is much more difficult

and you need different tools too

[frigid blade]

@empty quartz I just realized you added an extra 4 in 69420, why would you do that

[broken perch]

I literally jist said that

[empty quartz]

No you didnt

You said they’re essentially the same

[broken perch]

Im saying its the essentially the same in terms of performance. But the build you need different tools and parts obviouslly

[limber nacelle]

you need something to heat the tubes, something to help you bend it, some sort of saw to cut the tubes, and something to deburr the tubes for hardline

meanwhile softline is just measure that shit and just snip it

oh did I mention that hardline is a lot more fucked to get the measurements right?

[empty quartz]

Dont even need proper tools, all you need is a sharp utility knife

[frigid blade]

Why would anyone do hardline over soft? Looks?

[broken perch]

Im wording things improperly, thats on me. But yes, I meant that the performance is essentially the same. But the tools needed time and effort, cost etc obviously differ greatly

[broken perch]

Basically

[limber nacelle]

basically yeah

hardline when done well looks great

but tbh a shitty hardline build looks worse than softline

[empty quartz]

@broken perch whats so bad about a custom loop anyways

[frigid blade]

I’d like to water cool my pc but I won’t need to, it will be all the way in the basement where it’s like 60F base temp lol

[broken perch]

Nothing bad about it. My original point was just the maintenance that goes into it. The points of failure. The cost associated etc etc

[limber nacelle]

very few people need to watercool their PC

[frigid blade]

Well I have a 13900kf and 4090, that’s why I was thinking about it

[empty quartz]

Points of failure are caused by user error and negligence

[limber nacelle]

meh

[limber nacelle]

i think cost is my main gripe

[frigid blade]

It’s already liquid cooled, but I’ll be changing it to the server setup and don’t want water also because of thst

I don’t want a leak with 20 drives in the case

20 14+TB drives

[broken perch]

Not true at all. You can be the best pc builder in the world. But if one teeny part is faulty, you might not realize until a week later when you have a small leak.

[limber nacelle]

that's not really an issue

[frigid blade]

Don’t most pumps now have sensors for leaks?

[frail delta]

Why do you have that much storage in your main system

Fucking idiot

[frigid blade]

Not yet, when I upgrade to server setup

[empty quartz]

You need to actually try watercooling before you say shit like this

[limber nacelle]

if you properly test a loop before filling, then if it does leak it would be super slow

[broken perch]

They are usualy based off pressure. So depending on the leak, it might not register until its too late.

[limber nacelle]

hell, I let my PC leak for like, a month

because the leak was so slow that I couldn't find it and I couldn't be bothered to fix it

[frigid blade]

Wanna see the upgrade? @frail delta

[broken perch]

I've built dozens of system liquid cooled my friend. I worded it incorrectly earlier. So dont act like a prick.

[frail delta]

Not really, no

[frigid blade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KbXQNz too bad

[limber nacelle]

custom looping is just not really sensible for a majorirty of people because you can usually go up a tier in performance for the same price

[grizzled frost]

that’s why you get an air tester and let it sit for an hour, or even overnight, see the needle move, you have a leak somewhere

[limber nacelle]

but if it's your hobby then like, go for it

[grizzled frost]

unless the needle goes up, then you have a witch

[frail delta]

Why is the upgrade using a 4 year old chip

[limber nacelle]

most air testers tell you to do it for 15 minutes

[frigid blade]

Because that’s what I have now

[broken perch]

Same thing as simple as choosing black parts vs white ones lol. Just looks. But you pay for that look unforunately.

[limber nacelle]

you don't need to test for an hour much less a day

[grizzled frost]

most air testers are bitches, do it for an hour

[empty quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[frigid blade]

Mobo will be used so $200 instead of the $400

[grizzled frost]

at least once, to see if a rad or something has a micro leak

subsequent leak tests can be less strenuous

[frigid blade]

There’s nothing wrong with a 13900kf either I don’t need an upgrade

[broken perch]

You can meme all you want. Just shows your immaturity.

[limber nacelle]

that's a waste of time

[frigid blade]

Well, other than degrading

[limber nacelle]

you're building a watertight system, not an airtight

[frigid blade]

But I did my bios update

[broken perch]

If it works, isn't suffering from their issues, nothing wrong with it at all

[limber nacelle]

there's quite the distinction there

[grizzled frost]

The margin between the two isn’t all that wide

[limber nacelle]

uh, no

[fickle ivy]

tryna figure out if the laptop im using comes with 1 or 2 sticks

[limber nacelle]

if you're that paranoid, then after you fill it you can leave the pump running overnight with the rest of the system powered off

[fickle ivy]

im guessing 1 as its 8gb of ddr4

[limber nacelle]

and if it leaks then, well it's not going to kill anything

[grizzled frost]

download hwinfo and see what it says

[limber nacelle]

but I really don't see the point in pressure testing it longer than the manufacturer suggested time

[broken perch]

Pop off the back of it. What laptop is it?

[limber nacelle]

especially since it's proably going to leak air anyways

[grizzled frost]

no, it very much shouldn’t leak air

a well assembled loop should be air tight

[limber nacelle]

dude you don't know what you're talking about, full stop

[frigid blade]

Does it have windows? It will say in task manager how many slots are being used

[broken perch]

But what if its an air cooled system ... giggity

[limber nacelle]

No.

[grizzled frost]

Yes.

[limber nacelle]

the parts aren't even designed for that

stop spreading misinformation

[grizzled frost]

if you’re trying to claim the small amount of losses to material porosity makes it “not air tight” then yeah, next to nothing is air tight

[limber nacelle]

have you ever even built a custom loop?

i really don't think you know what you're talking about at all

[grizzled frost]

Yes

[empty quartz]

How am i being immature?

Im just posting a gif to represent my opinion on your statement

[grizzled frost]

if watercooled loops weren’t air tight, why does basically every major watercooling component vendor sell air test kits

[limber nacelle]

because air leaks far easier than water, so if it's air tight enough after 15 minutes, then it should easily hold water

[empty quartz]

If im immature, you’re a newborn

[fickle ivy]

dell g5

[fickle ivy]

shit its 2 4gb sticks

so i need to buy 2 8gb sticks

[limber nacelle]

EKWB: test for 5-15 minutes:

Barrow: test for 10 seconds

[broken perch]

Yar, no clue about your specific laptop. Hopefully its not soldered in, or behind the cpu / gpu cooler or something wonky.

[limber nacelle]

alphacool: test for 15 minutes

[broken perch]

But "typically" jist remove the few screws off the back, and you should easily be able to tell if you can replace the ram.@fickle ivy

[limber nacelle]

You don't have to wait for a full hour, that's redudant

[fickle ivy]

this is sorta my friends laptop

so i wanna see if i can get them to upgrade the ram and i pay for it

as i live with him

[broken perch]

I mean. You can look up a video and see how easy it is. Some laptops are super easy to get into and tell.

[fickle ivy]

and i wanna use it to make gaming content

[broken perch]

Removing the back won't harm it. But again, id look up a video for the laptop. On one of my legions, simply removing 6 screws and I can easily remove the back.

Some are a nightmare to open, and or add remove hardware.

[frigid blade]

It’s not hard just don’t forget to organize the screws

And don’t lose them

My laptop is missing 4 screens

Thankfully all from different areas

[empty quartz]

As someone who works at a glorified apple repair center, i agree

[frigid blade]

Oh no I think windows is trying to update on a 512Kbps connection, I just installed it

[broken perch]

Yup, and some screws are different sizes too.

[frigid blade]

I’m not even past the setup

I’m surprised this laptop doesn’t have an SSD when a 2 generation older one does

[broken perch]

But yeah, pop off the back, and you can tell in 2 seconds if you can change out the ram. If the laptop is 5 years or younger, it probably allows you to swap out the ram. But still wont know until you Crack her open.

[empty quartz]

Most laptops within the last 2 decades have upgradable ram

[fickle ivy]

it look slike it should be

[frigid blade]

Definitely, I have a laptop with 4600U and it’s got upgradable ddr3 up to 16GB

[broken perch]

You just love to argue. And no, they dont. Each company has their different tiers of laptop. And the lower ones almost never let you swap out ram.

[frigid blade]

Yah it’s upgradable

The dimms are covered by plastic

[empty quartz]

I have laptops from 25 years ago and newer, and all of them are upgradable

[broken perch]

Yup, that little black sheathe flips up. Or you can take it off entirelly.

[frigid blade]

I was just telling my parents that you know something is wrong when a laptop 2 generations better is being outperformed by a laptop 2 generations older running a heavier OS

[broken perch]

Congrats? But no, it depends on the laptop really. You could have two legion 5s, and one is swappable, the other is not.

One night be 2 years old the other 1 year and is a different model

[empty quartz]

You got it mixed up

Companies have really only started soldering ram within the last 10 years

[frigid blade]

I can’t believe the older laptop had an SSD and the newer one had a HDD

[broken perch]

I really dont. The problem with laptop manufacturers, one year difference on a model can make a huge change on what can be done or not done to it.

[sinful cobalt]

planned obsolescence is the trend rn

not rn, but past few years and onward

[broken perch]

And like you said, a laptop from 10 years ago might allow you to add storage, ram etc. But a new model might only allow storage, and not ram, or vice versa

[frigid blade]

The difference is 2 generations, 4600U vs 6500U, they were both bought when the CPUs came out

[sinful cobalt]

As someone who browsed laptop options I can say 90% of the non gaming ones are soldered

aka most of the bunch being turned ewaste

[frigid blade]

Nah that’s not true, a lot of the dell latitude are not soldered

[broken perch]

Personally, I wish companies would just make slightly thicker laptops so they can actually add someone decent cooling.

[frigid blade]

And those models are a lot of the market share

[sinful cobalt]

gaming laptop^

[loud furnace]

Help all my work is in the trash!

[empty quartz]

Those literally exist

[frail delta]

Empty the trash :p

[sinful cobalt]

eh dont keep up with dell, they didnt offer any specs I wanted

[frigid blade]

I love a clean windows install, 2.3GB RAM idle

[sinful cobalt]

for the price range I had

[broken perch]

Exactly. They keep going thinner and thinner on gaming laptops. I get some people travel with em, but the vast majority just toss it into a bag. An extra inch would give them so much extra room for cooling, and not make much of a difference in the travel department

I forget the name of the one laptop that came out in the early 2000's, but it was a THICK boi

[sinful cobalt]

they want to create thinner to challenge themselves and upsell even more fr

now nobody wants to carry a heavy ass gaming laptop

[empty quartz]

@broken perch i think i know something we can agree on

[broken perch]

It wouldn't even add much more weight too. Would just be thicker. Still though, the pc world is just fubar at the moment with these prices.

[sinful cobalt]

im pretty sure we still have some decently bulky punchers

[empty quartz]

How thick? I wanna see if it is thicker than my mac

[broken perch]

Like half inch to an inch at most. But it would allow a decent sized fan to make a massive difference.

[empty quartz]

I have you matched

My macbook pro is 0.98”

[sinful cobalt]

thank god I dont consider gaming laptops

I use a vivobook for slim and portability for sch

does all I want and need with that 8945hs and 32gb ram

ive yet to set moonlight and apollo tho

[empty quartz]

@broken perch also, i do want to apologize, i was in a bitchy mood because i was hungry and had to deal with really dumb customers at work.

[broken perch]

All good my friend. I dont take anything people say here to heart. I have a hard time getting thought into words at times and gets me into trouble more often then not. Case in point. But its all good.

Im still trying to find this beefy ass laptop from early 2000s, thing is like 3 inches thick.

[empty quartz]

One customer at work was claiming her ipad was broken because there was no audio… her volume was off

[broken perch]

Ah ha .... found it

https://youtube.com/shorts/sB5EcU_DDKQ?si=TwJg9a2IBLEhJ-AJ

Chunky boi

[broken perch]

The desktop equivalent of, checking to make sure the psu switch is on

[random gyro]

ive seen people say that fast chargers degrades a phones battery much quicker, is this true?

[broken perch]

If you charge to 100% and always leave it plugged in, yes, it can.

[random gyro]

does that just go for all chargers?

[broken perch]

Its the amount of battery cycles that kills the battery. And using a fast charger from 0-100% constantly does degrade it

Pretty much, it just degrades faster because of the speed its being charged. But we are talking something like .... if the phone on a normal charger would last 10 years the fast one might only let it get 8, or 9

Its negligible

[empty quartz]

Funny thing, using a fast charger isnt actually the issue

Its actually related to what percent you charge it to

[broken perch]

Yeah, its just the cycles being put on the battery basically, and if you fully drain it

[random gyro]

so basically no reason to use a slow vs fast unless you're wanting a tiny little bit more time

[broken perch]

Like constantly draining the battery, and charging it to 100% is what will degrade it the fastest

[empty quartz]

Ive only put 40 cycles on my iphone 16 pro max since february

Proof:

[broken perch]

Yup, and if you do a conservative mode on the phone / laptop, so ot only charges to 80%, etc, it helps prolong the life of the battery.

But these are all negligible.

I don't even know if mine says the cycle count.

[random gyro]

i dont see that for me

[broken perch]

Might need to enable developer mode, not sure.

[formal sonnet]

As others have said, it's not so much the speed of charging - it's how low / high you charge it, and the heat. Tis why I avoid wireless charging in most situations, as it often increases heat generation compared to wired charging.

[broken perch]

But yeah, my s23 ultra doesn't say. Im kind of curious what it would be at

[latent pasture]

therefore keep phone in fridge /s

[random gyro]

I live in an extremely hot state it averages like 90+ everyday

and i forget i got a phone so its probably cooked

[latent pasture]

i actually have a usb fan pointing on my phone and charger brick when charging cuz both get hot asf

[broken perch]

And fast charging generates more heat. But yeah, again, negligible. We talking weeks off the life span in the grand scheme of things.

[sinful cobalt]

2 years on my 14 pro, 80% health

[random gyro]

i got the 11

[broken perch]

But what kills them most is completely draining. Then fully charging.

[random gyro]

its at 83 rn

[formal prism]

while it's not the biggest factor to be concerned about (especially with normal 20-45W fast chargers), charge rate does increase degradation

[broken perch]

For those who have Samsung, this is how you see battery cycles count i guess.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS23/s/TbyHqPk4M7

[formal prism]

once you go above 3C (~45W on a 4Ahr 3.7V battery), it gets pretty bad

[empty quartz]

[cyan gorge]

May have to ask

But it's also not just that you need a sufficient psu, but also a pcie slot that has enough power output for the gpu that will be used

[formal prism]

While it's technically standardized at a max of 75W, only shitty OEM motherboards are likely to provide less than that

[cyan gorge]

Thinkcentre m700...

I was thinking about getting GTX 1050 ti, but it's 75 watts while the pcie I heard was 30watts ish

[broken perch]

Didn't the 1660 also just go off the pcie slot?

Nvm 1650 is what i was thinking of

[cyan gorge]

Well my budget cant

[broken perch]

I would think the 1650 would be around the same amount

Usd anyway

[cyan gorge]

Nah in Philippines the GTX 1650 go like one and a half of a GTX 1050 ti retail here