tech-chat-1

[severe kraken]

There's multiple posts on reddit about everything. Just because it's happening to some people doesn't mean it's going to happen to everyone.

[daring trout]

fair

[hallow jasper]

Oh wow, must suck then. 🤷‍♂️

Seriously, you need to understand how to rate your sources. Are these people competent users? Do they need to come to a place like this (or reddit) when they crash or can they effectively troubleshoot on their own?

[swift moss]

Finna ruin my whole workflow

[swift moss]

I haven't rebooted my android in like 6 months now

[hallow jasper]

Have they done their due diligence so they can rightfully put all the blame entirely on the OS, not the myriad of 3rd party software and hardware at place in a custom PC?

[flat flame]

i found exact model of router

edimax BR-6208 AC V2

[daring trout]

hmm i get it. ill upgrade to 24h2 ig

[arctic heath]

Yeah that matches my google reverse image search

[flat flame]

up to 400 mbps speeds...

dang

[arctic heath]

For the wifi, not LAN

[severe kraken]

3 x RJ-45 10/100M LAN port

[merry nest]

android becoming a closed garden is the greatest tragedy

[swift moss]

What we gonna use now 😭

[severe kraken]

If you're wired, you're limited to 100mb

[clear canyon]

Wth, that is ass

[random gyro]

I bought a cheap 970 and when I turned the system on it said "Please power down and connect the pcie power cavles for this gpu" even tho the two 6+2 cables were plugged in (they're daisy chained), what can I do? I tried with 3 diff psus

[swift moss]

That's if the phone is locked though

[flat flame]

25€ lol

[swift moss]

But with all certainty it could very well become just every three days

Still, no control at all

[merry nest]

google pixel, root friendly, install a custom android or even a arm64 linux distro on it

[hallow jasper]

I talked to my Verizon installer. They're prepping for up to 10Gb WAN options but we're still a few years out. The router they give you now theoretically supports it.

[clear canyon]

This is so ass 😭

[flat flame]

ye router has 100mbps ports sad

[swift moss]

I mean it would have to be under android like 17 if you wanted to avoid the feature

[arctic heath]

So for verizion, how does the Fiber come in?

[flat flame]

ye and irony is that i have overkill pc with it

[clear canyon]

Ouch

[arctic heath]

I prefer to always use my equipment

[swift moss]

Before a phone is switched on and unlocked, certain data stored within is fully encrypted and harder to access without the user’s passcode. This is known as the “Before First Unlock” state. Once unlocked, on the other hand, some data gets decrypted and can potentially be accessed by bruteforcing the passcode or taking advantage of security flaws, which is generally how law enforcement forensic devices work. This state is known as “After First Unlock.”

[flat flame]

like 4070 and 7700x with 25€ router

[swift moss]

So my phone is becoming less repairable and unrecoverable if the screen gets damaged and I don't want to replace

[clear canyon]

I wouldn't call that an over kill pc, just a nice one

[swift moss]

But I'm pretty sure it's already a feature

[hallow jasper]

Fiber from the street to an ONT in your premises. That handles converting to copper Ethernet to your router. You can use whichever one you want. (assuming you're not using set top boxes for TV).

[flat flame]

ye but i have 25€ router

[clear canyon]

Lol

[arctic heath]

Nope we dont have TV, but do they provide the ONT or can i source it myself?

[sick nimbus]

My school Chromebook xD

[clear canyon]

Build a router

[flat flame]

almost 2000€ pc and 25€ router perfect

with all stuff my setup probably is like 2,5k i think and 25€ router

i will now flex my combo evrywhere

[hallow jasper]

They provide, I don't believe you can source your own. The black box here. Ignore that its just kinda shoved inside the OLD fios ONT enclosure. Most of that wiring mess i'm not using, just whats going to and from the black box.

[clear canyon]

Make your own router 🙂

[flat flame]

cant afford that

[clear canyon]

It does not gotta be super powerful

[hallow jasper]

come to think of it, I dunno why that Coax is hooked up to it

[clear canyon]

But fair

[clear canyon]

Its doing nothing but looking busy

[flat flame]

im poor rn

bc pc

[clear canyon]

Ah, easy solution!! Don't be poor!! /s

[arctic heath]

Oh ok intresting, cant wait for fiber. My network is already 2.5 Gb except for my UAP

[upper wave]

Should I aim for more RAM or more Storage in a laptop for software dev?

[clear canyon]

What do you have rn?

[flat flame]

dont dare say me to get j-word

[hallow jasper]

Yeah I just recently did that, not that it made a difference for me. Little 2.5Gb switches are pretty cheap at this point.

[upper wave]

In my current laptop (M1 Air), 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD

[wheat field]

Anyone else ever do the ganzfield effect?

[severe kraken]

Why not both?

[clear canyon]

You cannot upgrade anything from apple

You gotta buy a new computer

[upper wave]

But I am getting a new M4 Air

[arctic heath]

Yeah, when Ubiquti released those cheap small 2.5 Gb switches, i grabbed two as my NAS and PC is 2.5 Gb

[wheat field]

Nice

[clear canyon]

Why not get a pc or normal laptop? If you need more resources that won't cost you 10x the price of something so cheap

[severe kraken]

Do you currently need more storage? Like is that an issue? If it isn't, go RAM. If it's this or that you really need to look at your current situation, is either a problem?

[clear canyon]

@upper wave

[wheat field]

Both but prioritise ram. You can always use external storage or cloud storage to fix storage issues with a Mac.

[upper wave]

Because I am fully in the Apple Ecosystem and don’t want to leave it with my laptop, I also use iCloud

[wheat field]

For software development the only answer is ram. 8 gigs is limiting to say the least nowadays

[clear canyon]

You're paying so much for so little

[arctic heath]

Id assume the white cable on the far right is the Fiber but what is the green on on the left?

[upper wave]

Ok, well it is my money

[wheat field]

The M4 MacBook airs are great computers, especially for Devs....

[severe kraken]

Storage is so easy to get around also, just figured he had a reason to prioritize local storage.

[clear canyon]

Yes but it's so damn expensive for no reason

[hallow jasper]

Earth

thick solid core copper

[arctic heath]

Oh ok

[somber mason]

Buy the best with every available add-on then?

[raven sluice]

playing Genshin Impact

+60 Social Credit

[wheat field]

Not for no reason. Great build quality, great OS, great chips with the new apple silicon stuff. They're premium computers and they work for the people who like them.

I only use Linux outside of gaming on my desktop and I have no issues with macs

[clear canyon]

I disagree with "great os"

[wheat field]

That's personal preference. He obviously likes it.

[raven sluice]

can I play Genshin Impact on Linux?

[wheat field]

Ya

Social credit system doesn't exist in china btw.

[severe kraken]

Asks whether to spend on RAM or Storage. Then pulls the money flex. Go both if cost isn't an issue.

[raven sluice]

without a compatibility layer?

[upper wave]

I like macOS, I don’t get along with windows

[raven sluice]

natively

[wheat field]

No idea, probably not, why does it matter nowadays with proton anyway.

[somber mason]

I agree, but only for base models. The price to get more is stupid

[upper wave]

It is an issue, I can only upgrade one or the other

[raven sluice]

proton what?

[wheat field]

It's apple, if you're buying it you've accepted the price point already.

[severe kraken]

Sounds like apple problems.

[upper wave]

So I either bump up to 24GB RAM or 1TB of Storage

[clear canyon]

The save up and get both bc base specs are ass

[wheat field]

Get the 24 gigs of ram and use iCloud. No brainer

[clear canyon]

24 gigs of ram and 1tb of storage is so cheap yet apple makes you spend 1k more

[upper wave]

But for Code, cloud storage isn’t the best option

[raven sluice]

how is it better than wine? or does it just use wine

[somber mason]

200 bucks for 8gbs more ram is insane, there's genuinely no justification

[clear canyon]

Get ram and build a nas

[wheat field]

Then get physical external storage

[clear canyon]

I agree, its so ass

[severe kraken]

Now we're into real solutions.

I like it.

[wheat field]

Ya, so is nearly 2000 for a phone. But here we are.

[low sage]

my monitor has a blue light panel built in, is that why im stil getting slight yellow tint?

[wheat field]

If you're asking about Linux and you're not aware what proton is then I'm not interested in educating you.

Just Google it.

[clear canyon]

Who the fuck is paying 2k for it?

That's a crazy price

[wheat field]

Sorry, almost 1500. I converted RMB wrong in my head

[clear canyon]

1500 is still criminal lmao

[wheat field]

My point is that apple stuff has always come at a premium

[clear canyon]

I got my s24 ultra for like 800

[wheat field]

That's not an iPhone

[clear canyon]

IPhone is over priced

[somber mason]

On Apple's website the 16 pro max is only 1k

[wheat field]

Ding ding ding

[clear canyon]

Apple is over priced

[wheat field]

There's different models I imagine

I have a pixel 9 pro

[severe kraken]

S23 for free*** ... Wonder how many actual asterisks there are. They're getting their money one way or another lol.

[wheat field]

But my wife uses all apple stuff, I can see the appeal.

[clear canyon]

I hate apple bc it's over priced shit. They os is not user friendly, they under spec their shit, their cpus are great but you gotta spend a fortune to get an air cooler for it

[somber mason]

Yeah, 16, 16 pro, 16 pro max

[clear canyon]

I don't see how ppl like apple

[somber mason]

Bandwagon

[wheat field]

1. It might be overpriced but it's not shit

2. Their OS is beloved by techies and non techies alike

3. Ya maybe

[severe kraken]

To be fair, M4 is a powerhouse of a chip. But again, the entire ecosystem lockdown sucks. I don't understand how people let themselves get locked down into it because once they are in, they are stuck.

[wheat field]

Some people like the ecosystem, have the money and enjoy the features. Macs are pretty beloved by creative professionals and some software Devs.

You just have a weird hate boner for apple

[clear canyon]

Its such an ass approach, yes it's good for developers and professional work, but the way Apple works, they fuck you over with price then trap you in their ecosystem

[clear canyon]

No, its a pretty logical hate.

[wheat field]

This is coming from a guy who's used Linux for the last two years outside of dual booting for gaming. I have no idea where the hatred comes from for apple stuff, you don't have to buy it and the people that do seem to enjoy it.

[somber mason]

Can someone checkout #1362491553536278689 , it sounds like a PSU to me but I'm not entirely sure

[wheat field]

It's the premium that you pay to own an apple product

[clear canyon]

I appreciate the apply silicon advancements ans their long term support but other than that, apple sucks in general

[clear canyon]

Pay more for less

[random gyro]

Coming from an audiophile who uses Audeze LCD2 everyday and is an android only user. These be very good.

[clear canyon]

What are they

[wheat field]

They're fine, I like my airpods pros

The noise cancelling is very good

[clear canyon]

That name is cursed

"Pro max ultra"

[fringe prairie]

i mean i use an iphone aw and airpods but i don't use a mac or really anything else from apple

it's also not like other companies don't have ecosystems

[severe kraken]

Branching back to this channel. I'm just gonna say that if I am paying $500+ for a motherboard, it better come with a damn debugging LED. I don't know when it changed, but most boards do not have them anymore.

It's like a $2 part to slap one on a board.

[elder quarry]

Isn’t ultra enough

[raven sluice]

what a jerk, you represent the average Linux enthusiast very well

[fringe prairie]

what do you mean an air cooler?
like the mbp?

i don't see how passive cooling is a major issue for most people buying the mba

[severe kraken]

Definitely proof that if you slap enough adjectives on to a product, someone will definitely buy it.

[elder quarry]

Hello there

[raven sluice]

hello, edge is better than Firefox or Chrome, bye

[elder quarry]

Ok, if that’s your opinion, sure

[clear canyon]

The laptop gets quite hot for the ones with passive cooling

[fringe prairie]

that's in a sustained workload, under normal use it doesn't get hot

[severe kraken]

So edgy.

[wheat field]

I'm not a search engine. I come here to argue and talk about tech to unwind and see what other people think about things.

Go fuck yourself 🙂

[clear canyon]

I'm not gonna hate on ppl who buys apple or whatever, but I'm gonna hate on apple lmao

[fringe prairie]

you have to think about who's buying the mba

most people buying that laptop aren't running fcp and/or heavier apps, it's mainly for light use like web browsing, office 365 and such

[clear canyon]

Fair

[wheat field]

That's fair

[clear canyon]

Ppl have opinions, but i will take about mine, not as a fight, but just talking

[elder quarry]

@elder quarry .

[clear canyon]

@elder quarry

[elder quarry]

E is watching secret shopper

[clear canyon]

No you're not

[wheat field]

I don't see arguing as a fight. It's just the best way to see what someone thinks

Arguments can be constructive

[clear canyon]

Yeah

[ripe spire]

hold on a minute this is good value for a 5090 laptop

[wheat field]

Price will go up when you configure it

[junior hawk]

ahoy lads

[nimble marsh]

im lowk scared of openin my laptop bc i expect there to be more dust than air ngl

[junior hawk]

is anyone here how swappable mechanical keyboard savy??

[fringe prairie]

i have never heard of this brand but that's not a bad price

[nimble marsh]

i expect the insides of my laptop to look like this ngl

[fringe prairie]

if it's a tongfang/clevo rebrand then eh

[nimble marsh]

cleaned it 3 years ago so yuh

[ripe spire]

this is with 64gb ram, 5tb storage

[nimble marsh]

whaat how

[ripe spire]

its a 5090 laptop

[nimble marsh]

did they cheap out on the cpu?

[ripe spire]

not even a bad price yknow for a 5090 laptop

[nimble marsh]

if it got a 5090, 64gb ddr5 (probably) and 5tb

[ripe spire]

Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX

[dreamy flare]

anyone knows how i can change my settings for a monitor that's mounted vertically so everything is not so stretched down?

[junior hawk]

i got a keyboard, but the only thing that bothers me about it is the number keys (the ones above the letters), are there any spare lower keycaps that i could buy??

[ripe spire]

and asus be charging almost 5k for ts

which has less storage btw

[nimble marsh]

dang that isnt horrible

[ripe spire]

exact same cpu that the scar 18 uses

[nimble marsh]

ngl it sounds a bit to good to be true

[ripe spire]

the scar 18 has a 240hz 1440p but 16:10 screen, the pinnacle also has an 18 inch screen, but 4k 200hz

[brazen glen]

It’s plastic fantastic ODM mush

It’s going to be thermally constricted and will probably feel like a children’s toy

[ripe spire]

or maybe, heres a consideration, it doesn't cost businesses fucking 5 thousand pounds to make a laptop

ik these mfs have huuuuuuuge unit profits on ts

[nimble marsh]

or that is gonna die RIGHT after the warrancy ends

[nimble marsh]

if it even has one

[nimble marsh]

is that a site

[ripe spire]

bro what the actual fuck is this graph, my 7900xtx must be through the roof then

[glad fog]

they got new stuff going with the ancient time

and as space move forward the computers move forward

the computers even talking now.

[nimble marsh]

ya all got any websites to get comparision between gpu's like that? (asking cuz i wanna compare some gpu's that i might use if ill build a pc)

[glad fog]

no cause this graph is fake

[iron glen]

5000 what?

lumens?

[glad fog]

the series number

[iron glen]

no i mean what is the graph measuring

[glad fog]

it's a joke because nvidia said like 5060 is 50x more powerful than the 1060 or something

it measures the number 1080 to 5060

[iron glen]

funny

[kindred halo]

💔 NVidia knows they'll get bodied in a 4060 to 5060 performance test so they're pulling out the literal final generation of GTX series

[hallow jasper]

Best we can do is this for relative performance rankings. Note: this was recently revamped when the newest cards were added and they're still in the process of re-testing all older generations. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

[nimble marsh]

k, ty

[hallow jasper]

Scroll down for graphs by resolution. Keep scrolling for RT specific graphs by resolution.

[nimble marsh]

might go for a 7900 xtx then

cheaper than rtx 5070 ti

[amber adder]

idk if alot of people know about roblox but my ssd is full and i want to update on my hdd how do i do that

[hallow jasper]

Wouldn't do that if you paid me over a 9070xt.

[hallow jasper]

Power hungry, hot, no FSR4.. no thanks.

[nimble marsh]

oh ye i forgot those cards exist

[wheat field]

Just get a 9070xt...

[nimble marsh]

forgor those exist

[high garden]

man, AMD not having a high end this gen is pretty painful. like, yeah, they're affordable. and that's good. but as an enthusiast, I wanna see neck and neck halo tier cards and a highly competitive landscape that bring down the high end pricing.

and Intel is really only there for ultra budget gamers tbh

[glad fog]

bring down high end pricing?

a 5090 costs 3k lol

[high garden]

yeah... that's my point

[tardy tulip]

More than i paid for my truck

[high garden]

there's 0 competition in the high end so you get crazy prices

[wheat field]

AMD made a good card that's relatively affordable and created actual competition in the mid tier gaming market.

They did good tbh.

[amber adder]

?

[glad fog]

what does tier even mean now?

[wheat field]

Nothing

[glad fog]

5090/4090 highend everythin gelse is just mid tier and low tier?

[high garden]

they did! I got a 6950xt back in the day, and I'm really happy with it. it replaced my aging 980. but in a gen or two I don't wanna return to the high end and think "crap, Nvidia is the only game in town here and the supply is so limited I'm gonna have to spend used car money if I want one"

[hallow jasper]

Should probably understand why its full, and of what. WizTree.

[nimble marsh]

as an 3050 rtx user i feel like i need to upgrade whole build atp

[amber adder]

i tried moving valorant but its immposible

[plain cypress]

"back in the day"
That was barely 4 years ago 💀

Actually the 6950XT was like 3 years ago

[high garden]

early pandemic feels like a different era tbh

time dilation got me good

[wheat field]

We'll see what happens.

[hallow jasper]

So clear out the crap that's probably sucking up space that you don't need first. If you're not sure what or where, run Disk Cleanup at least (and check all the boxes in System Files mode) then use WizTree to get a visual on what is where.

[hallow jasper]

That's not what I said at all.

[amber adder]

ik but its show no size

[tardy tulip]

I just add another hard drive every time one fills up
(I have 5 1tb ssds in my pc and i need help)

[amber adder]

alr worked

[hallow jasper]

Drives shouldn't just fill up mysteriously. As the user of the machine, you should know exactly what is on the drive.

[amber adder]

installed it on hdd and uninstalled the ssd

[tardy tulip]

The micro sd card for my steam deck is the most ove ever spent on storage

[tardy tulip]

Yea i just keep packing shit into my pc
I need to factory reset it tbh

[amber adder]

amm still on windows 10 😭

october worst month

[tidal trail]

How’s the quality on the zotac solid 5070ti?

[topaz turtle]

So im trying to share a folder with a new laptop and im asked for login credentials for this, the only user i have on the machine is the user made when i set up with my microsoft account so what would the username be ? ive tried the full name on the account and ive tried the folder name in users directory along with my MS account password but this does not work...

[kindred halo]

May I introduce Intel® Arc™ Celestial

[high field]

so does a nvme ssd need a cooling block or is it unnecessary? I got a sn580

[hallow jasper]

lol, good luck. I've spent no joke years on and off trying to work out local file sharing with MS accounts. Trust me, not happening. Your only option is the workaround. https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/295943/tip-the-windows-file-share-workaround

tl;dr, create the same local account on both machines, share the directory, give "your" account full permissions. When asked to connect, use the dummy account credentials you made.

Otherwise...

and he's not wrong

local traditional folder/file sharing is just broken when using MS accounts for login

[high garden]

will it actually be high end though?

they're in the budget and ultra budget range rn

[kindred halo]

Probably closer to 4070, maybe?

[high garden]

based on what?

[kindred halo]

B770 might be 4070 if they do that

[kindred halo]

Guessing, really

No logic in keeping it lower end performance

[abstract wigeon]

do you guys use windows auto HDR?

[high garden]

fair enough

[kindred halo]

My own guess is that it'll be B770; 4070

[hallow jasper]

No, but I have. THere are better inverse tonemapping options depending on the game being played.

[high garden]

I just think they've got a REALLY big mountain to climb

[kindred halo]

C570/580: 4070S/Ti:Ti S

[high garden]

and I doubt it'll happen by next gen tbh

[kindred halo]

C750/770, maybe 4080

[magic kraken]

didn't b770 get axed for being too much die size for what they could sell them for?

[kindred halo]

I'd think B770

[topaz turtle]

@hallow jasper so i took the easy option and turned off passwords for file shareing but now i get an errer saying the system can not be found

[kindred halo]

What?

[abstract wigeon]

do you find that games look noticably worse with it off? im just annoyed that every time i tab out of a game that has been auto hdr boosted, my monitor turns off and on and my desktop is at lower brightness

[hallow jasper]

Like I said, its not happening.

[high garden]

yeah, iirc they had scaling issues or something. the A series cards were sold at a loss because the die size was huge but the performance was just barely better than an iGPU

[magic kraken]

Friends don't let friends log in using MS accounts. Shit is pretty fundamentally borked.

[topaz turtle]

its saying the network path is not found now

is this still an issue with MS account ?

[plain cypress]

B770 isn't coming

[white sphinx]

Hey dumb question how much of the pcb on a modern mid-high end gpu is actually populated? Could a parts manufacturer theoretically skeletonize it for better airflow?

[high garden]

I wanna like Intel's stuff and I'd totally recommend a battlemage card to a friend who's wanting a PC for under like... 700ish? but they're just not in the mid or high end rn

[plain cypress]

But it was targeting 4070 performance

[high garden]

Nvidia already did this

it's absurdly dense

[hallow jasper]

Can't help you with the second part but HDR isn't a quick turn it on and everything is perfect kinda thing. First, you need a good display actually capable of producing HDR. You're spending $600+ minimum for something MiniLED or OLED. Then it needs to be calibrated using the official tool.

I run windows in HDR fulltime, I never turn it off. HDR has become a bit of an obsession with video and gaming for me for the past few years.

[kindred halo]

What, why?

[plain cypress]

And if there is a celestial dGPU we have no idea what performance tier(s) they will be targeting

[kindred halo]

Die thing?

[magic kraken]

Honestly just wish someone other than a scalper would sell me a large-die gpu at this point. Hell, a pre-scalped edition with commemorative "We Have You Over a Barrel" plaque straight from nvidia would sell and we all know it.

[abstract wigeon]

the second part isnt normal behaviour?

[plain cypress]

I'll be honest it's really too late now

[white sphinx]

I assume most of it is just data lanes since they need to be far away from ground planes to reduce noise?

[high garden]

every square mm of the card is used here

[white sphinx]

Thats pretty damn dense

[high garden]

yeah

and they do blowthrough on both sides of the PCB

[plain cypress]

Hopefully B580 development was enough for Intel to learn what other changes need to be put into Xe3

[white sphinx]

How many layers is that? 16?

[high garden]

so it's about as dense as they can make it... that's why the 5090 is 2 slots at 600w

[high garden]

idk, I doubt that tbh...

[kindred halo]

Celestial could probably make or break their own space in the market

I'd hope the C570/80 & C750/770 work

Intel NEEDS to fix their Re-Bar & overhead problems though

[white sphinx]

I mean you want at least a full layer between data lanes and ground layers iirc from my very limited asic design knowledge

[hallow jasper]

No

[magic kraken]

The way things are going, don't expect 7 series parts from intel probably.

[plain cypress]

I don't think I expect a big GPU from Intel next generation

[magic kraken]

c580 will probably do well if they can get availability for a reasonable price

[plain cypress]

The midsize die seems more appropriate for them to Target at this time

[high garden]

it's a 14 layer PCB

[magic kraken]

Sub-500 market is basically anyones game with both amd and nvidia unable to even sell their $400 cards under 500.

[white sphinx]

Makes sense, it doesnt do any power processing on the card right? No step down/up converting?

[high garden]

I mean it would have to, no? the power supply isn't doing all of that.

[magic kraken]

That entire top and right edge and some of the bottom is all power processing

[high garden]

and you're also combining power from PCIe and from the 12v high power connector

cost aside, the sheer engineering of the 5090 FE blew my mind when I first saw it... and still does

ya know each fin on the heat sink has a slightly different curvature for airflow optimization?

that's a lot of tool and die work

[white sphinx]

Makes sense, probably just resistor power dividers then, with smoothing caps and lowpass filters for noise

[high garden]

I mean the VRMs are all on the board too

[plain cypress]

Unfortunately Intel isn't ordering tons of wafers for B580

Although I can't necessarily blame them. I'm sure alchemist was a real headache trying to move inventory, and if I was an Intel partner, I would have been quite conservative on battlemage production numbers

[magic kraken]

VRMs and inductors mostly. Couldn't have coil whine without em, and those bastards whine hard.

[white sphinx]

Yeah but i would assume all the processing is done on the same power level, to an extent

[high garden]

the back is just filled with caps

and connectors and shit

[white sphinx]

I was gonna say, i just didnt see a single coil on there, until i saw the suspiciously square blocks that said 85N lmao

[tardy jay]

Is the Ryzen 8000 series any good?

[magic kraken]

meh

[white sphinx]

Its definitely one of the series of cpu of all time

[magic kraken]

Yea, not too surprising

[tardy jay]

7000 series better?

[high garden]

it was better for it's time

you need to be specific though, what's your budget, what are you to do with this?

[white sphinx]

Depends what model and how much youre spending,

[tardy jay]

Low setting 1440p

[high garden]

laptop?

[topaz turtle]

@hallow jasper so i managed to get it working, but what a pain in the ass that was

[tardy jay]

PC

[high garden]

so desktop?

[tardy jay]

Pretty much

[high garden]

a laptop and a desktop can both be a PC

[high garden]

8000 series wasn't even made for desktop

[tardy jay]

No?

[high garden]

yes

[magic kraken]

F5ing the day away for a gpu definitely isn't the most exciting way to pass the time.

[white sphinx]

Also i hate to say it but who’s idea was it to have 80 bajillion tiny caps, is it just for decoupling?

[tardy jay]

Legit thought the 8500G was a desktop cpu

[true stirrup]

No don't touch it unless you won't be using a GPU

[high garden]

this has been pretty standard on GPUs for as long as I've been in the space, and it only gets more nuts... look at the back of any high end AIB card, they all look like a city of tiny caps

[tardy jay]

Does it have personal graphics built in?

[high garden]

well, it was... but that was a really limited niche run... it is literally a modified mobile processor

[white sphinx]

I mean most are clearly for the vrms, so i assume its just to protect them, there is no way in hell those tiny caps are doing literally anything for signal smoothing

[true stirrup]

The G ones have a stronger iGPU inside yes
But all AM5 has iGPUs (except 7500f and 7400f)

[high garden]

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-5-8500g.c3436

[tardy jay]

The GE?

[high garden]

same thing

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-5-pro-8500ge.c4128

[magic kraken]

Yea, that was an interesting surprise comming from am4.

[high garden]

you always see the highest density of them on the back of the core

[white sphinx]

Presumably just so they blow up rather than the core, those have to be in the picofahrads

[tardy jay]

Guess I’ll check out the 9000 series

[white sphinx]

Wonder if anyone has one of them mapped out in kicad or smth

[high garden]

maybe, idk. I'm not an electrical engineer. just a tech.

[white sphinx]

Would be interesting to look at

[high garden]

but look at the back of this card... huge density of tiny caps and a few big caps behind the core

[high garden]

this is pretty standard these days on mid / high end

[high garden]

7000 series and 9000 series are pretty similar tbh. if you're doing gaming, get an x3d chip

something like a 7800x3d or a 9800x3d is kinda your ideal, but you can step down a rung or two if it's not in the budget

7000 series and 9000 series perform pretty similarly though, so I'd focus more on the actual class of chip than the gen

[magic kraken]

Yea, 7800x3d can be had for what, $400ish lately?

[high garden]

is it really that much still?

[plain cypress]

Throwback to the microcenter 7800x3d mobo 32gb ram bundle for $450

[magic kraken]

80ish cheaper than the current flagship, but yea

[white sphinx]

100% for decoupling, especially the small ones, if theyre ceramic they might just be for bypass, the bigger ones are probably there to help with lower frequency stabilisation, maybe power filtering/transient response/ maybe even act as a localized energy reservoir though i highly doubt it

[magic kraken]

Still astounded WA doesn't have a single microcenter yet

[plain cypress]

The entire PNW is abandoned

[high garden]

woah... that kinda smarts. I'm surprised it hasn't fallen more

usually last gen hardware is a pretty good deal

[plain cypress]

I'm also surprised Phoenix doesn't have a microcenter

Yet Colorado does 🥴

[high garden]

alright

[magic kraken]

Yea, getting a GPU in the PNW is a bloody nightmare.

[white sphinx]

Although i absolutely despise that pcie lane setup

[plain cypress]

I ordered a b580 5 minutes after release from Newegg lol

But brick and mortar here is hell for gpus

[high garden]

I had to drive nearly 5 hours each way to get to a micro center... all dair affair. I'm in a huge deadzone for tech and it sucks. if you can't find it online I'm SOL

[magic kraken]

To be fair, those have had pretty good avaliability since release

[plain cypress]

Best buy is pretty much my only option in Portland

[tidal trail]

Is there like a tier list for model of gpus for h to w 5070ti?

[plain cypress]

Have they? The subreddit is constantly complaining about no stock or in stock at $400

[high garden]

ya know these are done by teams of professionals, I'm assuming they're not complete idiots... but then again, I don't know enough about this myself.

[magic kraken]

I mean its not MSRP, but its also not +100% or more that were seeing on some cards

[high garden]

the best buys in my area don't even sell components anywhere. you would not believe what I had to do to pick up thermal pads a while back.

same for GPUs

[magic kraken]

same

[white sphinx]

Yeah but the person who designed that pcie lane layout should really reconsider, like i get minimum impedance values intended but those have to be hand drawn

[high garden]

like what is even the point of an electronics store if you can only buy TVs and washing machines?

bustbuy has just become lowes without the lumber

[magic kraken]

Only a matter of time before lowes sells TVs tbh.

[high garden]

costco*

[magic kraken]

I mean costco sells everything

Somehow still can't buy a GPU there

[plain cypress]

Uhhh you could build a full PC (*I haven't looked at a best buy GPU section since December so I assume that's currently empty but for the sake of discussion let's assume they have a GPU in stock) at the best buys near me. You would be pretty limited in selections, but you can do it.
BB is alright for peripherals and monitors and accessories

[plain cypress]

They sell prebuilts

[magic kraken]

True, nothing super high end at least at either of my local ones tho

[plain cypress]

I think I once saw a 4080

[high garden]

they have nothing here. no motherboards, no ram, no power supplies, no cases

[high garden]

they have prebuilts for sure

[celest plaza]

thinking of getting a thinkpad to run linux for college, how do i find a good one. im fine with refurbished and used. on either amazon or ebay, how do i find good price/perf deals? my max budget is 200 but preferably lower

[plain cypress]

Mostly 60 and 70 class

From AMD I only saw 7600 class and rx 580 in the last year

[magic kraken]

Oddly the local BB here has cases and accessories but not much else

[plain cypress]

I bought a lot from best buy in the pandemic but I hardly shop there anymore

Although since it's brick and mortar returns are pretty easy

[magic kraken]

Ended up sourcing a g9 oled from them a while back, sadly ended up returned for being a flakey POS.

[high garden]

I legit got an X220T for scrap metal pricing, got coreboot working on it and then used parabola ontop of that... If you don't need to do CAD or something, it's a fantastically good work machine even though it's ancient technology

X220Ts are a bit rare though, X220 is the same thing without the pen and tablet functionality

[magic kraken]

Yea, hard to beat brick for stuff where a return is a real risk/issue. Large stuff especially.

[celest plaza]

mostly gonna be doing vsc and cad/blender, is there a generation or min spec that would work best for that?

[high garden]

they had loads of interesting stuff when I was in new york a while back.

but not in the best buys around me

[plain cypress]

Amazon is typically fine since I can take it to a whole foods nearby, however a lot of large/electronic items they want to ship back via UPS which means I'm waiting 4-6 weeks for a refund

[high garden]

you'd probably want something as current as you can get then

and as high spec as possible.

[celest plaza]

alr ill look around

thanks\

[high garden]

oh, one other thing

[high garden]

you're gonna want as much vram as you can get

[magic kraken]

Between how terrible their website is for actually buying things and how bad they are with ship dates anymore, theyre a vendor of last resort for me as of late. Still ended up buying mobo and ram from them on my latest build.

[high garden]

and a decent amount of dram too

[celest plaza]

alright, thanks

[plain cypress]

Amazon ship dates are typically fine for me

Although I live in a city so YMMV

Unfortunately Amazon is a good mix of selection, shipping, and confidence in returns

[magic kraken]

Theyve felt verymuch like a crapshoot for me and their distribution center is literally across the bloody street, like literally look out the window and see the amazon logo.

[plain cypress]

Newegg always has me a little cautious cause returning might be a pain

And their shipping isn't as fast

[magic kraken]

That last part is definetly true, dealing with UPS is pretty easy when you have a buisness account with them already though.

I think at this point I'm just procrastinating on buying a cpu cooler and storage because I know I'll just be waiting on the GPU a month from now anyways.

[plain cypress]

Having a business account with UPS is certainly an exception to the typical user experience lol

[magic kraken]

$180 for a noctua on amazon is just absurd though

[high garden]

CPU cooler market is honestly great rn. I'd go ahead and grab that at the very least.

[oblique jay]

Is anyone able to confirm, if I buy "4000D/4000D Airflow 120mm 3-pin Fan, Black, 1200 RPM" from Amazon do these include a fan hub from corsair too? I just got off support and they said the fan hub is included (if I'm not misunderstanding what they said)

[magic kraken]

Doesn't look like its a good market for high end air coolers currently, most everything seems to be over MSRP

[high garden]

the good news is you can get something NEARLY as good as the best for like $30

if you want a noctua or something you're gonna be dying

[latent gull]

Google the case on corsairs website and it will show all included hardware

[high garden]

but that's just how they are. you pay a huge premium for the best with great service and quality and upgradeability. I usually choose to go for them despite the price tag because you can literally get modern hardware mounting for coolers over 20 years old from them, FOR FREE... but if you're more cost concious in the short term, yeah get a dual tower $30ish cooler and call it a day. they'll do nearly as well

[random gyro]

yall is a pentium still worth buying

i have absolutely zero clue on computing

[high garden]

depends what you mean. Corsair hub, no. RGB hub? yes.

[latent pasture]

nope

[high garden]

30 years ago it made sense.

[random gyro]

i heard they're good for basic taks

[high garden]

budget, usecase, formfactor. shoot

[high garden]

I mean... TECHNICALLY? I wouldn't unless it's literally your only option

[magic kraken]

Yea, $180 is a bit absurd though. Last D15 was like $89

[latent pasture]

it doesnt seem to come with even that

[random gyro]

like as cheap as physically possible, basic internet stuff, pc

[frigid blade]

oooohoohoo I finished the scripts \O/

[high garden]

last d15 crept up over time... you're forgetting how cheap crap was like 12 years ago when it came out. inflation sucks

[random gyro]

if it runs office ill use it

[frigid blade]

I love nice simple clean cli

[high garden]

well then, yes.

it's the cheapest thing on the market

[latent pasture]

get one of those used office pcs then

[random gyro]

how much are they

[high garden]

it is going to suck though... like a LOT

[random gyro]

like an optiplex?

[high garden]

you can literally get these for free

[random gyro]

i mean i was just gonna get a c2q but i heard they're ass

[high garden]

here's what I'd recommend. go to a free geek or something like it.

you're gonna get something infinitely better than a pentium or a core 2

[latent pasture]

what country, in usa even the 4core ones r like $60
in a pinch u can put in a low power gpu and its already ok at gaming
for normal pc browser use its more than enough

[high garden]

this is all ancient technology

like I wasn't even alive when core 2 came out

I'm old enough to drink in the U.S. won't give my exact age

[random gyro]

all i was gonna run was server 2012 datacenter so

[high garden]

but core 2 is ancient

[high garden]

I'm really confused what your usecase is tbh... what are you trying to do with this machine?

[latent pasture]

then ur like 4 yrs older than when core 2 came out

[random gyro]

internet and basic games

[high garden]

was it not like 2001 or something?

[frigid blade]

can get a Dell OptiPlex 3060 with i5 8400 for $80 on eBay

[high garden]

what are you using to write to us on right now?

[random gyro]

i have a celeron 4gb thing but it struggles on games

[magic kraken]

sigh Overspent on the PSU like $200 and getting annoyed at air coolers $30 over MSRP.... yep. Maybe been F5ing too much today.

[frigid blade]

why do you wanna run server 2012 datacenter on such low spec hardware?

[latent pasture]

at least overspending psu has benefit
air coolers r hunks of metal at the limit of their design capability with no more improvements possible other than cost

[high garden]

why do you wanna use windows server 2012 to play video games?

[high garden]

like I have so many questions 😅

[frigid blade]

that too

[random gyro]

i don’t know how good this is

[high garden]

oh my god

[frigid blade]

Its harder to even play games on windows server builds, Ive tried it myself

Lots of issues

[high garden]

what country are you from?

[random gyro]

i wasn’t sure, i got told it’s a good operating system for basic internet stuff

[high garden]

this is literally older than most of the people in this chatroom...

[high garden]

probably

[frigid blade]

Why a server build though, because its more light weight OS? If so just go with win10 enterprise ltsc or something like that

[random gyro]

england

[random gyro]

oh okay

is that better than what i’ve got?

[latent pasture]

how low budget are you
u can get complete good systems for <100 in the uk

[high garden]

let me look around a bit. I can probably find you something that can run a modern OS for next to nothing

[random gyro]

nowhere in my area has like those waste electronic places

sadly

[lost stirrup]

chat my vm MIGHT not be very happy

[latent pasture]

sold listings of 4c8t i7 pcs in uk

[frigid blade]

I just got a Dell Latitude E7440 running Win 11 today, it has a i7-4600U running Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC and it works just fine because its not bloated

[random gyro]

that looks good

i’ll try get one ty!

[latent pasture]

bids but some1 got lucky ig

[random gyro]

is 8gb ram good

[frigid blade]

I was surprised to find out that the E7440 even came with an SSD ngl

Its a 2014 laptop

[lost stirrup]

eh if you dont want to game much with it yeah its alright for general stuff

[high garden]

https://www.choose.co.uk/guide/free-computer-schemes-on-benefits.html

[random gyro]

i have 2gb rn so i wasn’t sure on what to upgrade to

[lost stirrup]

how the hell do you have a computer that works with 2gb of ram in it in 2025 bro 😭

[frigid blade]

I'd say you have a better chance at finding nicer hardware just looking for eBay deals

[random gyro]

i got it passed down

[frigid blade]

Ive got nothing against your build btw, but im saying I think $50 could get you something much better

[lost stirrup]

2gb of ram cant even run windows 8.1 let alone 10 or 11, or chrome

[frigid blade]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

It can run 11 :P

[random gyro]

i mean i found a project online that let me run chrome

[lost stirrup]

well yes if you debloat the shit out of it yes

[frigid blade]

Hey man, you gotta do what you gotta do

[latent pasture]

can add a decent no external power gpu and its an ok pc alr

[frigid blade]

But it will take 10 seconds for the first windows animation to load during install on that thing

[random gyro]

i checked the list and the only reason i upgraded was because the new windows dosent work on my cpu

it refused to boot

[frigid blade]

You can get around that with rufus

[random gyro]

i tried

[lost stirrup]

well yeah, ive got a bloated as shit vm running right now that i need to get working smoothly haha, software raid hdds are not very fun with windows 10

[frigid blade]

On what hardware tho

[lost stirrup]

ryzen 5 4600g (8 vcores, not sure why, i allocated 4 🤷 )
8gb ddr4 3200
2x 1tb laptop hdds (random, mirrored)

host os: truenas scale (latest)
guest: windows 10 (latest)

its currently shitting itself

what is that one amazing debloater that ltt recommended? forgot the name of it

[frigid blade]

I wouldnt use debloater software, just install enterprise versions of windows

[random gyro]

chris titus tools?

[lost stirrup]

thats the one

[random gyro]

i did use it once

[empty quartz]

I wanna get a laser printer, they’re soooo fast

[lost stirrup]

way past that point

[frigid blade]

wouldve saved a lot of time ngl

[lost stirrup]

i have one and love it, worth it

[frigid blade]

But I made the mistake of installing the evaluation version on accident

You cant upgrade to non evaluation on Win11 IoT Ent LTSC at least (unless you have a key)

[random gyro]

does anyone know how to set a usb to fixed attribute instead of removable?

[lost stirrup]

ive got pro installed, thats the most enterprise one i could get

wouldnt let me install windows 11 because of no tpm on the hypervisor

[frigid blade]

rufus

[lost stirrup]

not flashing a usb for it

[random gyro]

ohhhh i couldnt install 11 because i dont have popcnt apparently

which is dumb

[lost stirrup]

windows 11 is dumb full stop

[frigid blade]

I think you could flash a virtual USB drive

[plush wren]

no

[lost stirrup]

i can probablyt do it with ntlite

[frigid blade]

no to what, vUSB?

[gleaming rose]

my cat likes michael jackson lmao

[plush wren]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-lmao-michael-jackson-going-upstairs-creepy-gif-17160965

michael

[frigid blade]

i would first check what kind of speeds youre paying for

then check the max speed your router and nic in your device can do

[lost stirrup]

i think the problem is that one pc cant connect to it and get full speeds, but another pc can

[south arrow]

I hope you all have a good day ❤️ 🐛

[lost stirrup]

i agree with checking max speed of the NIC and router, also cables

[frigid blade]

oh, I didnt see the last part, it could be NIC then

If the newer PC works fine and the older ones dont

[lost stirrup]

if youve got a usb to ethernet/wifi adapter grab it and give it a shot

[frigid blade]

huh

[lost stirrup]

ah, how new is the new pc and how old is the old pc?

and is the new pc a laptop or desktop

[gleaming rose]

why the drawing lookin at me like that

i can kinda draw now

[south arrow]

Way better then my skills

[lost stirrup]

so fairly close to eachother, not sure what the problem could be

are you using the same ethernet cable?

[south arrow]

All I got

[gleaming rose]

she says hi back

[lost stirrup]

what is your normal speed over wifi?

as in like on a different device

i dont really see much of a problem then, it should be fine

[gleaming rose]

look what my cat did

[south arrow]

Little fangsss

Nomsssss it just wanted smol nibble

Gib snack or be the snack you decideee

🐈‍⬛

[lost stirrup]

but that screenshot is from said pc?

so your normal speed is around 31mbps down and 11mbps up, correct?

and that is what you are getting on your new pc

sooo whats the problem?

then the only solution is either moving your router, getting a larger wifi antenna, or going wired (which isnt working for you?)

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-petting-my-cat-harder-each-time-pats-patting-gif-2116822158946238962

[frigid blade]

that could be it, lol

[lost stirrup]

well thats your solution, upgrade/move the router, sorry but theres no other solution really

[wheat torrent]

Brother I created a mirrored parition on windows and its formating for more than an hour

[lost stirrup]

how big is the drive? hdd or ssd?

[south arrow]

If plugged into ethernet isn't much faster I'd likely agree

Depending what your old pc gets if it's similar

[lost stirrup]

my ethernet connection is slow as balls compared to wifi, but my ethernet gets me gigabit to my nas so ive cut my losses

[swift moss]

NICE

thermal throttling happening rn

[south arrow]

Happens myte be time to check into new providers or upgrading the plan perhaps

[lost stirrup]

my isp is so bad, 500mbps down but 70mbps up

[south arrow]

Makes sense it be like that sometimes I don't miss living the country with the old 15mbps

[wheat torrent]

1 TB hdd

[lost stirrup]

if you didnt check quick format, thatll take about 1h30m in my experience

[wheat torrent]

oh bruh

I thought it wouldn't format at all

[lost stirrup]

mirrors will always format

[wheat torrent]

I couldnt figured out how to set up a raidz1 sadly

storage spaces wouldn't let me use 3 drives because the hdds are flagged as "CanPool" false

[lost stirrup]

never used windows raid before

[wheat torrent]

was looking into using WSL but that seemed like it wouldnt work well with network drive

yeah sadly I kinda need this server to run windows

[lost stirrup]

my solution is truenas + windows vm

(slow as balls windows vm though)

[wheat torrent]

ill make this work

problem is I planned to use 3 HDDs raid, but now since I am using only 2 mirrors

[frail topaz]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dTdtsp - is this fine?

[wheat torrent]

those hdds are way too hot

[tidal geyser]

pls change the ssd

[wheat torrent]

like hot enough to not be able to hold onto it

[tidal geyser]

also why so small

[wheat torrent]

this is not normal I assume.......

[frail topaz]

the ssd is fine because its not the one im gtting but idk which one im getting just something idrc but still

[frail topaz]

why so what?

[lost stirrup]

eh it depends, its not very good for them so point a fan at them if you can

[wheat torrent]

yeah ill do that

[tidal geyser]

well you only have so many m.2 pcie slots

[wheat torrent]

I have a spare fan anyways

[frail topaz]

ah thats because i just cant afford a 1tb one rn lol

[tidal geyser]

eh

you are not making a budget built

[frail topaz]

cz im alr 200 over budget

[tidal geyser]

o ffs

[frail topaz]

i had to cut a lot of parts because of albanian pricing

[tidal geyser]

also AGAIN 6000MT ram

[lost stirrup]

keep an eye out for a 1tb p3 plus on amazon, brought one on half price on amazon, 500gb is not enough anymore

[tidal geyser]

well you can set it to 6000MT in bios but eh

[tidal geyser]

good luck if you own a p3

[frail topaz]

i CANT 💔

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-your-ssh-keys-gif-26542174

[lost stirrup]

went from p2 to p3 plus

[lost stirrup]

too bad i use password authentication 😉

[frail topaz]

isthe mobo fine?

[tidal geyser]

well going to need to replace is soon enough

[frail topaz]

i have the processor mobo ssd caes and everything BUT the gpu

[tidal geyser]

tbh maybe too fine

[tidal geyser]

already bought?

[frail topaz]

no but i will

[tidal geyser]

well yeah that is how a shopping list works

[lost stirrup]

better than my old samsung 225gb ssd with 11 years of running hours

[tidal geyser]

maybe not XD

i suspect that might be MLC

[frail topaz]

yeah but still, i have all the parts in shop

[tidal geyser]

o yeah true

you wanted to do it all local

[frail topaz]

no i didnt

[lost stirrup]

my nas has 2 3tb drives manufactured in 2012 and on for 9.5 years 🤑

5 power cycles when i got them lmao

[frail topaz]

but did i really have a choice?

[solar geode]

hey tc1 need some advice. i've got a thinkpad x1 carbon that I'd like to try and repair. It's not powering on and the battery wasn't the problem after some testing. The motherboard doesn't seem to be able to take any power anymore. I no pretty much nothing about how motherboards work, but would there be something I could use to determine the cause of the power failure?

[tidal geyser]

i mix

[lost stirrup]

let me boot up scrutiny hold on

(truenas deleted all of my apps)

[rigid fjord]

a multimeter

[tidal geyser]

no

[solar geode]

oh ok i have one. where would i place the prongs? and how would i test the current if i cant get power through it

[gleaming rose]

if you are asking this question the answer is likely no

[frail topaz]

but like is anyhting else wrong? cpu cooler is fine?

[lost stirrup]

resintalled, loaded backup, ix-applications dataset was no more

[tidal geyser]

yea'

[tidal geyser]

skill issue

[lost stirrup]

can confirm, it is a skill issue

[frail topaz]

any b word wit hthe cpu/gpu

[surreal sandal]

hello i have a 4050 i7 13th gebn gaming laptop and crash in valarunt sometimes with something like dc open i have 16 gigs of ddr4 would that be the reason becasause i think these specs are good enough for val and some side applications
NEW
[23:02]
could i get some help please

[tidal geyser]

what kinda crash

[surreal sandal]

valarunt would shut down or i would freeze

[rigid fjord]

you would need to test it for the power, with the negative on the black cable, and the positive going around checking to see where it's not getting power, ultimately it's not going to be an easy fix for you

[frigid blade]

driver issues?

[surreal sandal]

mabye

but even when i do update it still happens

[lost stirrup]

could it be oom?

[solar geode]

i dont expect it to be lol. i wanna give it a shot before i think about just replacing the whole motherboard

[tidal geyser]

do you use any optimizers?

[surreal sandal]

wdym by optimisers

[solar geode]

you mean the black cable going around the bottom of the internals?

[lost stirrup]

i might have a problem

[tidal geyser]

i think i found out why stuff was missing

[lost stirrup]

i think its because i turned off smart

[surreal sandal]

wdym by optimisers tho

[tidal geyser]

why did you blur shit

[lost stirrup]

🤷

[tidal geyser]

how do you even do that

[lost stirrup]

storage > disks > edit disk > uncheck smart

[tidal geyser]

eh valorant might just be getting shat on by windows since kernal level anti cheat do be the shit

[tidal geyser]

why would you wanna do that

[lost stirrup]

spindown

i like my infinity celcius drives

[surreal sandal]

do u think it is because i have 16 gigs of ddr4 or cause its gaming laptop overheating or only 6 gigs of vram any of those reasons possibly

[tidal geyser]

no

[surreal sandal]

also @tidal geyser is there any way that i am not utalising all my ram or all my v ram

[tidal geyser]

but why dis shit

[tidal geyser]

no

[lost stirrup]

cheap m.2 ssd

uhhhhhhhhh

[tidal geyser]

TF are you doing

[lost stirrup]

VM with 8gb of ram, probably should shut that down

[rigid fjord]

on the battery itself there's usually a couple red and couple black ones with the rest being different coloure, black should be the negative cables

[tidal geyser]

why VM

[lost stirrup]

shit software that doesnt exist on linux

[tidal geyser]

also are you on fangtooth now?

[lost stirrup]

nah, dragon something

[lost stirrup]

oops wrong one, ElectricEel-24.10.2.1

oh wait fangtooth is out?

[lost stirrup]

ew, core

[tidal geyser]

no never

[frail topaz]

CORRECT i dont like it, but purely for storage its fine

[lost stirrup]

hmmm tempted to move to fangtooth, whats new

[tidal geyser]

core is kinda made to only be for storage

freebsd still has its benefits in that end

[frail topaz]

i know, thats why im using it

[lost stirrup]

to be fair, true

[frail topaz]

can a 9070xt handle gtav 1440 with raytracing

[tidal geyser]

ues

[lost stirrup]

chat should i say fuck it and upgrade

[tidal geyser]

YOLO

how much do you care about the VM

[lost stirrup]

its only a shitty windows machine

[lost stirrup]

i have all the software configured better on my main pc, took me ages to setup but idc much about it

[tidal geyser]

yolo

[lost stirrup]

as long as it boots idc i can set it up again and was going to on an ssd anyways

fuck it.

[tidal geyser]

XD

LETS GOOO

[lost stirrup]

"improved login experience" i hope so, bitwarden HATES the current one with a passion

that setting a certain ip for certain apps sounds nice though, and i saw the auto bridge network thing. took me ages to get that bridge network set up

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-cat-cute-cat-cute-gif-20896892

[lost stirrup]

it cant be too broken i can hear the drives spinning up

[tidal geyser]

computer combusts

[lost stirrup]

literally built it last week if that happens im leaving the country

[glass pumice]

i am extremely conflicted currently on what to do with my setup, i got a 2700x and a 3070 and the 2700x is starting to slow me down, now idk if i should get a 5800x (5700x3d is too expensive for me) or wait a while longer and do a major update to am5

[tidal geyser]

just get a 5600

it will be a MASSIVE upgrade

[tardy jay]

The Amd Ryzen 7600x or the 9600x

[tidal geyser]

7600 non x

and also use the cooler that it comes with

[glass pumice]

also does this sound like a bottleneck

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/ltt-linus-no-cry-sadness-gif-23756706

[tardy jay]

I’ve heard the 7600 is faster

[tidal geyser]

well yeah but its am5

[tardy jay]

But uses more power then the 9600x

[glass pumice]

you know i was going to argue for having a use for those extra 2 cores since i use blender and other stuff like that but i have been exclusively gpu rendering for a while now

[tidal geyser]

yeeeaa

[distant frigate]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1k0uoa4/today_a_5g_tower_caught_fire_in_my_neighborhood_oc/?post_fullname=t3_1k0uoa4&post_index=0 bruh

[tidal geyser]

anyways the r5 5600 cores will be way faster anyways

[glass pumice]

whoops replying to the wrong thing

lol

[tidal geyser]

the r5 5600 should be faster then the r7 2700x by a small bit even tho it has less core outside of gaming

[lost stirrup]

well, sim, i did it and im migrating to instances

[tidal geyser]

yay

[lost stirrup]

happy they finally removed spice js client

[versed pecan]

Hello, does anyone know of a windows app that can show what lanes yoir motherboard has? I acquired an optiplex 7010 and the dell board has little to no helpful info

[tidal geyser]

eh?`?

you can just look at the slots

[versed pecan]

The board is e93839 la0601 btw.
Where on the slots would it say?

[lost stirrup]

it will say PCIEy_x16 or something, with y being a number

it will say it around the slot, in white text

[versed pecan]

I'll try and find it

[tidal geyser]

huh

[tidal geyser]

what cpu

[lost stirrup]

silkscreen markings

[tidal geyser]

slot 1

[tardy jay]

Could check the manual

[tidal geyser]

XD

[wheat field]

They burnt out trying to penetrate my cerebrum because I was within a five kilometre radius

[versed pecan]

I3-3240

[wheat field]

They literally can't transmit propaganda and extract my thoughts because I'm too smart

[tidal geyser]

what are you trying to do

[versed pecan]

I tried to look for it, but I have struggled greatly in trying

[tardy jay]

What’s it called?

[tidal geyser]

ffs

[lost stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330985620453199954/1334791098924798084/watermark.gif

[versed pecan]

Mostly trying to learn what the lanes of the slots are. There are two x16 slots, but idk what their lane uses are

[tidal geyser]

both slots are wired for x16 sooo i cant use the good ol trick

[tidal geyser]

but why

[glass pumice]

im finding a 15% performance uplift in multicore, thats not really that much more

[wheat field]

visual studio

No wonder it's ass

[lost stirrup]

it doesnt matter though

[tidal geyser]

eh for games at least it will be a MASSIVE uplift

[tidal geyser]

top slot is just about always x16

[versed pecan]

I ultimately want to turn this into a network pc. I figure perhaps if the lanes are at least x4, I can put a PCIe to m.2 card onto it for additional storage (it is too slim for sata HDDs)

[lost stirrup]

if its x4 then youll know because of how large the slot is

[tidal geyser]

just get a actual thing

top slot is 100% x16

[versed pecan]

Slot length doesnt determine the available lanes for a pcie slot

[versed pecan]

Sometimes an x16 only gets 4 lanes

Which can still be very useful

[lost stirrup]

its the most sure fire way apart fromthe manual

[tardy jay]

If you’re rocking a I3-3420 I’d assume it’s 3.0

[versed pecan]

I believe so

[tidal geyser]

i would not

i am 80% sure top is x16 and bottom is x4

[tardy jay]

Isn’t that Lga1155?

[versed pecan]

That would probably be fine. I wonder if they have pcie cards that are small enough to fit in this 7010 case...

[lost stirrup]

yes, low profile ones

[versed pecan]

Awesome. That would probably be perfect

[tidal geyser]

lga 1155 aka what 3rd gen can use is a pcie 2.0 chipset motherboard thingy

[tardy jay]

Weird mine ran pcie 3.0

Guess that was a later addition

[versed pecan]

If able, I'll see about a 2x m.2 card for the top slot and a single for the bottom, but if there was a way to tell for sure what the bottom lanes use, I might have both be 2x if theyre at least 8 lanes each.

For clarification, is there a way via software to determine how many lanes a board has?

[tidal geyser]

unless you plug something into it, no

[versed pecan]

I see. I tried CPU-z just now. Revealed a little but not that

[tidal geyser]

but at that point just spend 50$ at a used workstation and use 2 HDDs for mas storage and some SSDs for caching or its own pool

[versed pecan]

I can probably work my way to that. For now it'll just be at home network drive

[tidal geyser]

you do know what the price for a m.2 ssd is

[lost stirrup]

if you want to throw yourself into the deep end then install truenas

[tardy jay]

40 bucks?

[versed pecan]

Varies per drive and brand I presume

[lost stirrup]

most 1tb nvme drives are £100, 500gb £40-50

mostly bottom of the barrel shit

[tardy jay]

WD my beloved

[tidal geyser]

huh??

[tardy jay]

Could reference the ssd tier list

[lost stirrup]

talking rrp

[tidal geyser]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/2x4Ycf/teamgroup-mp44l-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk001t0c101

[lost stirrup]

i shouldve checked shouldnt i, havent looked at these prices in a while

[tidal geyser]

what 3 years

[lost stirrup]

yes

[tidal geyser]

well uhm fair enough

[lost stirrup]

last time i looked for one was the end of 2022

[abstract wigeon]

i hate when people ask whats the best cpu for x gpu, its just the best cpu you can afford

[tardy jay]

Time goes way to fast

[lost stirrup]

tell me about it

[tidal geyser]

ikr just get a 9800X3D for your 4060

[abstract wigeon]

genuinly

[tardy jay]

I remember when it was 2015… feels like yesterday

[tardy jay]

It’s raining 4090s

[lost stirrup]

back when a freddo wasnt £1 😔

[tardy jay]

Wish I could pirate things outside of the digital world

[abstract wigeon]

thats called theft

[tardy jay]

Like stealing💡

[tidal geyser]

so get a 3D printer

[abstract wigeon]

jarvis queue up a 5090 on the 3d printer for me

[tidal geyser]

i can download a car

[tardy jay]

You wouldn’t download a tree

[tidal geyser]

https://www.printables.com/model/605153-simplified-3d-printable-tree-model

[lost stirrup]

you wouldnt download a 5090

[tidal geyser]

https://www.printables.com/model/1147599-simple-tree-tree

[sleek ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-it-dont-copy-copyright-law-gif-3307443

[tidal geyser]

https://www.printables.com/model/1209364-nvidia-5090

[rigid fjord]

you mean, when it was 10p per freddo

[lost stirrup]

well yes

[rigid fjord]

tbf, the last time i got a freddo, it was a box of them for like £10

[lost stirrup]

£1 for 5 in asda

[solid osprey]

do u guys think i can get £250 for a hp all in one with a ryzen 5 4500u, 8gb ram and 256gb ssd?

its in good condition, and there are some ryzen 3 models selling for £300

[tidal geyser]

yes

[solid osprey]

k bet

when u sell on ebay do u have to pay tax on the earnings

cuz ebay now report to hmrc

[tidal geyser]

i dono

[abstract wigeon]

it says when you put an item on sale

check the website, might be different depending on area

[lost stirrup]

i think its only if you are over a certain amount, you can sell things that you already own like selling a wardrobe on vinted and be just fine i think

not legal advice, please check with google

[tidal geyser]

not lawyer, just google

[lost stirrup]

or talk to a solicitor

[solid osprey]

oh if the item sold is under £6000 then theres no tax

[gleaming rose]

hands are hard to draw

[solid osprey]

if above then capital gains tax is owed

[abstract wigeon]

im pretty sure they take a cut

[tidal geyser]

do you really need em

[rigid fjord]

always are

[gleaming rose]

especially from a full front perspective on paper

[solid osprey]

ebay UK removed the cut actually, thees only a cut on motor vehicels now

[mental mango]

Sorry man i fell asleep

[solid osprey]

ebay also say they only make reports to HMRC if you sell more than £1700 or 30 items in a year

[versed pecan]

I've finally found it, https://www.hardware-corner.net/desktop-models/Dell-OptiPlex-7010-SFF/
PCIe 3.0 presumably 16 lanes, and PCIe 2.0 with 4 lanes

Assuming the motherboard is the same, at least...

[rigid fjord]

hwinfo will give you a fair bit of info relating to this tbh

[versed pecan]

Ah, I was wondering about the names of the other app. I forgot about that one

I'll give this a shot as well

[tardy tulip]

Time to put le cooler back on after i clean this boy

[frigid blade]

no problem lol

[wheat field]

Nice

[magic kraken]

Legitimately hard to not rip those out of the socket when removing the cooler >.<

[tidal geyser]

not really

just preheat and twist

[solid osprey]

what does the t mean

[tidal geyser]

XT is just refresh

[solid osprey]

o ok

[abstract wigeon]

slightly better than X iirc

[magic kraken]

Turns out that heating a massive heatsink can prove difficult without a good heatgun and a lot of patience

[rigid fjord]

for example

[tidal geyser]

no you just run a benchmark on the cpu

[tidal geyser]

o you can just do it in hwinfo, god damit

[swift pagoda]

was this a good buy from aliexpress i got a aftermarketcoller with it and it will replace my ryzen 5 3600 this is a ryzen 7 5700x

[tidal geyser]

eh its fine

[rigid fjord]

lol no, and definitely not

[frigid blade]

God I hate powershell

Finally finished the CLI

[rigid fjord]

another 2tb mx500 soon

[brittle turtle]

how do i put thernal paste on my ram?

[versed pecan]

Just found that section
Does this mean that my x16 is gen2 and the x4 gen1?

[rigid fjord]

pretty much

[versed pecan]

Yikes.
Im sure I can make do

Dont need that much for a basic network pc, right?

[rigid fjord]

not really no

[versed pecan]

That is good. So if I were to put a couple gen 1/2 m.2's on there itll be fine?

[rigid fjord]

eh, there isn't any gen 1/2 m.2's

[versed pecan]

I see. Would it be bad to underpower an m.2?

[rigid fjord]

not bad persay, but what are you trying to do with the item?

[versed pecan]

I would like to make the optiplex into a network pc so I can connect to a local storage from any device within the network

[rigid fjord]

so you want to turn it into a nas?

[frigid blade]

mini NAS yipee

[versed pecan]

Yea

[rigid fjord]

would be better off using sata 2.5 ssd's tbh

[tardy tulip]

I just popped my cooler off the thermal paste is only like 4 years old

[versed pecan]

I can believe it. I think there is enough space for another 1, but I am not sure. And the other one is the boot drive at 120gb

Perhaps if I use an underpowered m.2 as the boot drive and use 2 sata ssds as the nas drives?

[rigid fjord]

you can use a sata expansion card and add more drives to it

[tardy tulip]

Good news everyone the computer works!

The surgery seems to have been a sucess

[solar geode]

@rigid fjord What should I test with the multimeter? What readings should I look for?

[versed pecan]

I would have to expand beyond the case for any further than 1 additional ssd

Though, this optiplex does have a nice, flat top.

[rigid fjord]

not really, you can use some double sided foam tape and stick it to the case

[versed pecan]

Jank, I love it

[warped plover]

Whats a good boot drive? Its gonna be used for just booting so 250gb or even 256 is good enough

[versed pecan]

I may do that

[rigid fjord]

pretty much voltage drop from the batteries' initial output, and where you find no power flow

[versed pecan]

If just booting, honestly 120 should suffice. Nothing bad with 250 either

[rigid fjord]

250-500gb is ideal for a boot drive

[solar geode]

I'm not sure if the battery is causing the no power issue. It fails to run without it being plugged in. Normally there would be a status light that turns on with the battery unplugged

[warped plover]

Any recommendations?

[rigid fjord]

120gb drives aren't worth it

[warped plover]

I was looking at the kingspec xg7000 512GB

[versed pecan]

What about the sata power connectors though? That might be limiting as there is only one other power plug in it, and it is right by the one plugged into the boot drive

[tardy tulip]

Idk if its normal but i always have to set my ram to 3200mhz in bios instead of 2133

[rigid fjord]

sn580, sn570, sn770, mp44l

[gleaming rose]

the world is so fuckin beautiful

we dont deserve this shit 😭

[rigid fjord]

sata power extension adapters, that convert 1 sata power to 4/5

[versed pecan]

And that doesn't cause issues?

No too much power draw?

[rigid fjord]

as long as you get the right ones, no issues

[versed pecan]

Fascinating. What ones do you suggest?

[rigid fjord]

ones like this, where they're clamped on the cable and not sealed to it

[tardy tulip]

Yessssss

Ignore the 5 hard drives

[versed pecan]

Gotcha gotcha. And for my own sake, what is an example of a bad one where it is sealed?

[thorn pewter]

i love these

[versed pecan]

So curvy, not zig zaggy

[rigid fjord]

this style, you can crimp/clamp on extra sata power connections if needs be/ shrink the cable down

clamped but the inital one is sealed, which if it's not been made correctly it can short out

[versed pecan]

So its ideal to get all clamped and none sealed

[rigid fjord]

yup

[versed pecan]

Okay. And running several drives on a gen 1 or 2 pcie slot wont slow any of the drives down?

[rigid fjord]

on a gen 2 slot it shouldn't, a gen 1 slot won't have enough bandwidth

[versed pecan]

Especially given its only x4