tech-chat-1

[bronze jay]

How do you think they get files onto it

There's no reason it couldn't

[drifting geode]

guys can u pls rate my chair

[bronze jay]

No fuck off

[drifting geode]

bc I'm ab to buy it

[bronze jay]

Ok fine

[warm lotus]

chill 🤣

It looks good

[bronze jay]

😠

It looks uncomfortable

[warm lotus]

as long as your not 150kg it should hold up

[bronze jay]

I sat in one like that I hated it

It was slippery

[warm lotus]

was you oiled up again

[bronze jay]

Not this time

[austere cargo]

guys im planning to get a new pc and I have an extra sata ssd 1tb drive, do I need to spend the extra 50$ for an nvme drive andd the hype or is a sata still fine

[bronze jay]

SATA is fine if it doesn't annoy you

The only person who can decide that is you

I move large folders around and sata was really pissing me off

[austere cargo]

i just play games and do school work

[mild onyx]

this is a hell of a screenshot (for those who know)

[bronze jay]

Then you're fine

[austere cargo]

i dont understand the difference between nvme and sata

I just know nvme is better

[bronze jay]

Nvme is very very fast. SATA is just okay.

[austere cargo]

but for what

[bronze jay]

Moving large folders

[kind pilot]

my friend is building his pc for the first time and his PSU is modular. both ends of the cables are the same can he plug the wrong end into the PSU or does it not matter

[bronze jay]

SATA is good for your purposes

[austere cargo]

okay

oh

[bronze jay]

This doesn't mean that water is killing people

[austere cargo]

dih

[bronze jay]

The point is that you have to think about it for a second

Not duh

[arctic tapir]

Bought it for £500, I have never had a full loop before but can't learn unless you try

[bronze jay]

YES YOU CAN

[austere cargo]

no no dih

brainrot

rate https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vNQCgn i have a 2080 and a 1tb

[keen folio]

i got a little questions about a PSU, since im gonna need a new one for my pc since my current one is now almost 15 years old. i cant find the Corsair RM650e nor the RM750e on the PSU Tier list. Are they any good and which should i rather take. according to PCPP my pc doesnt draw more than 590w at MAX

also i dont plan on Overclocking my PC

[warm lotus]

the GPU is a little too weak for that CPU

[austere cargo]

its spare so i cant change it

[true stirrup]

It's fine

[warm lotus]

i was about to say, realistically its gonna be fine but like matching components to a T is not neccessary

[cinder raptor]

No such thing as a gpu being too weak for a cpu

[warm lotus]

Then the people that have been helping me are full of shit

fuck

[cinder raptor]

It may be too weak for the performance he desires but it is not like it wont work

[warm lotus]

Thats what i mean

I think i worded it poorly

[still valve]

Can I run it?

[true stirrup]

The CPU can slow down a GPU because the calculations done on the GPU still have to pass through the CPU
But the stuff done on the CPU stay on the CPU so it has nothing to do with the GPU

"matching" components is a dumb thing invented on TikTok

[elder cloud]

When I run the windows install from my usb stick it only shows my usb stick as an install location

What is this sorcery

[tender badger]

12600k or 12700k?

Any cheaper better alternative to these?

[astral lichen]

anyone know how to unlock? windows really sucks ngl

[tender badger]

If your hardware doesn't support it then you cant unlock it

[astral lichen]

it does

[true stirrup]

Why not AM5?

[tender badger]

Idk

Oh I'm using ddr4

[true stirrup]

What's your budget?

[dawn fog]

I can't read on Thaiphoon Burner
checked the code in the error but couldn't find anything

[tender badger]

Um. For an entire PC about 500

[true stirrup]

And you have what only some DDR4 ram?

[tender badger]

No I have two matching sticks of ddr4 3600mhz 32gb

[true stirrup]

And what CPU do you have rn?

[tender badger]

I don't anymore but the i7-6700

And no GPU because I'm gonna reuse my 1070

[bleak ledge]

I wish this PSU was fully modular 😭

Time to bundle up all this shit

[random junco]

not bad for general phone use on the go

[formal sonnet]

Technically any PSU can be fully modular once. (But um, please don't actually cut off the wires from a non-modular PSU unless you know you'll never need them again and you protect the cut ends with electrical tape.)

[wet ember]

what monitor brightness level (in nits) is ideal to view in a very bright room with direct sunlight?

[formal sonnet]

Whatever feels right for your eyes at your desk in your office space. There's no "right" or "wrong" answer - you want a brightness level that's comfortable to use for as long as you stare at the screen.

You may wish to combine brightness adjustments with something like https://justgetflux.com/ to manage the color temperature of your screen over time throughout the day.

[wet ember]

ok- i looked at the specs of this monitor i'm using (not mine) (using it bc it's in the office w/ a standing desk). typical brightness of 300 nits

but what's "typical?"

[formal sonnet]

• https://www.91mobiles.com/hub/display-brightness-explained/#Understanding_display_brightness_terminologies:~:text=is also called-,Typical brightness.,-Peak Brightness is
• https://techlomedia.in/guides/typical-vs-peak-brightness-in-displays/

[wet ember]

oh 300 nits max

[boreal crown]

Can some one recommend me a oled screen for a ps5

[wet ember]

well thanks@formal sonnet

[bleak ledge]

Did the next best thing

I don't want to cut the wires because Supermicro charge a fortune for these

[neat oxide]

how does one make a flash drive bootable?

[formal sonnet]

If you're looking to make a Windows install USB, tada! https://www.howtogeek.com/874846/how-to-do-a-clean-install-of-windows-11/

[neat oxide]

ok, which is easier? Microsoft Media Creation Tool or Rufus?

[south arrow]

[true stirrup]

Both are very easy

[random junco]

use mmct

[neat oxide]

ok

[random junco]

more straightforward

[formal sonnet]

For a Windows install USB, Microsoft's official tool is the best simplest option.

[neat oxide]

ok

[untold scarab]

which one for the value for 1080p gaming

[hexed tapir]

The Ryzen

[neat oxide]

Do i need to install windows 11 onto the drive after that or will the media creation tool do it itself?

[formal sonnet]

The media creation tool does all this.

[frail topaz]

holy

[neat oxide]

O ok

[odd valve]

question are those laptop ram to desktop ram adaptors trust worthy/

[frail topaz]

No.

[unreal bramble]

https://www.ifixit.com/products/fixhub-power-series-smart-soldering-iron

would this be good for a beginner when it becomes available?

[odd valve]

not at all?

[frail topaz]

Sure, except its quite expensive, if you have the budget its very nice

[unreal bramble]

They are garbage

[frail topaz]

Absolutely

[unreal bramble]

What I plan to use it for will eventually pay for itself

[odd valve]

welp good thing i asked

thanks for the advice

[frail topaz]

Then it is very good, ifixit has always made quite the good stuff

Always has been a reputable company

At least in my experience

[unreal bramble]

Though I got a question about something. If I were to charge to replace a battery in like a GBA game for example what should I charge? (I know it’s a fast job to do (around 3-5 minutes or so))

[gleaming rose]

pinecil

[frail topaz]

How much work is it to take apart a GBA

I wouldn't guess much, but you never know with retros

[unreal bramble]

A single screw

[frail topaz]

How much does the battery cost

[unreal bramble]

I have the screwdriver for gba games

My local game store sells them for like $2-3

[frail topaz]

How many solder points

[unreal bramble]

2

[frail topaz]

Id say 10 bucks is fair

[unreal bramble]

It’s a fast and easy thing

I was thinking about $5 tbh

[frail topaz]

That too, 2 bucks for labor

[unreal bramble]

I can probably get a discount on the batteries

[frail topaz]

you could always go the apple route and charge smth like 15$ or 20$ Don't.

[unreal bramble]

lol no I’m not a jerk

[strange atlas]

Which one is better?
Logitech G502 Hero or VXE R1
(logitech is cheaper)

Vxe R1 is like 5 dollars more expensive

[arctic tapir]

G502 anyday

Owned one since it came out and it's still great

[bronze jay]

Wtf a smart soldering iron

[unreal bramble]

@frail topaz gba mobo

Well game mobo specific

[random gyro]

sup chat

[gleaming rose]

what

[sudden flame]

I have just be given this server for free

The cpu is x2

[gleaming rose]

what you dont pay for the server you make up for in power bills

those xeons are fucking HONGRY

[sudden flame]

I’m 17

[gleaming rose]

someone's paying for the power

[sudden flame]

#notme

[gleaming rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmXZOI7cM0M me af

[unreal bramble]

Server cpus aren’t really worth it for normal use

[sudden flame]

But free

[gleaming rose]

i mean i have a dual xeon sitting in my closet kidna just idling rn

i need to finish getting it rolling as a NAS

i think i already have immich running - i am undecided if i should make it accessible to the internet

[sudden flame]

I’m just starting to use it

[gleaming rose]

because what i could honestly do is just keep everything backed up locally and then sync when i get home and such

[unreal bramble]

What are you gonna use it for anyways?

[gleaming rose]

i just need photos and passwords for the most part - and more random stuff as i see fit, it runs proxmox so i have the freedom to do whatever

and i know that question wasnt directed towards me just putting it out there

[dawn tundra]

https://youtube.com/shorts/7pv2DUT90zc?si=RJhbmuH_iMSntguJ

[sudden flame]

You could charge people to use it for mebsites

[gleaming rose]

too much work and i dont have a public ip anyways

[dawn tundra]

Take this with me on vacation

That's very travel capable

[sudden flame]

Laptop?

[dawn tundra]

Look at the video

[harsh whale]

How good/bad is XIGMATEK in the AIO market?

[gleaming rose]

fucking WHO

[dawn tundra]

My same reaction

[gleaming rose]

if you have an amd cpu get a peerless assassin, otherwise get an arctic lf3

[sudden flame]

Idk

[harsh whale]

That Chinese brand that makes Cases and Coolers

[gleaming rose]

^^

[neat oxide]

Would it be fine to unplug and turn off my PC to move it to get better connection while setting it up?

[harsh whale]

I already have the Arctic LF3 as my main option, but XIGMATEK has basically the same performance and price but with a LCD screen

[gleaming rose]

just use the lf3

[harsh whale]

But LCD screen

[gleaming rose]

the xigmatek probably uses an asetek pump

[harsh whale]

I'm not sure if it looks like this but here it is.

[dawn tundra]

https://velkase.com/products/velka-3?srsltid=AfmBOoqFdquJVqb2dUfCGwKrzjrj1ebFGxutLKbvtpMggASs_gLd9vQL found the case

I wonder how much power you could cram into this thing

[gleaming rose]

just use the lf3

[dawn tundra]

Yeah just use the lf3 you're getting the most amount for your dollar and the screen doesn't really matter that much

[harsh whale]

Alr

[dawn tundra]

If you really want the screen you can have it hooked up with some external software

you're most likely going to have to do that yourself

[frail delta]

They wouldn’t make any money at all doing that from home

[strange atlas]

I wonder if i should get G502 proteus spectrum second hand or i should pay 6 times more and get VXE R1 brand new but i can refund second hand one but not VXE R1

Cause its chineese mouse we cant get them :d

[clear canyon]

Amazing ball of gumworld

[slate fulcrum]

I'm trying to reduce space and want to get a 360 retro gaming device that would have deadpool on it any know how of any that would have it

[mellow cairn]

What?

[lyric portal]

I ordered an attack shark x6 from aliexpress, lasted less than a month with it and ordered a g502 lightspeed because I just can't stand the cheap feeling build, and I am not sure if it is just mine, but the left button makes a reeaallly annoying squeaky sound every couple of clicks. If you are like me you will end up proving to yourself that cheap stuff always costs more in the long run

[slate fulcrum]

I can't remember the right name for it

[gleaming rose]

i have an mchose ax5 pro max and i love the shit out of it - feels very premium and is still light

[mellow cairn]

That is particularly the case with mice, because they are extremely precise things in terms of manufacturing

[strange atlas]

g502 proteus spectrum and g502 lightspeed is really different though 😦

[gleaming rose]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1c87y4j/mchose_ax5_pro_max_8khz_review/
it's a magnesium alloy

[strange atlas]

iits 5 times more than what g502 proteus spectrum costs 😦

[mellow cairn]

I have a g502 X plus with powerplay mat

[tidal trail]

not sure if this is good or bad, i just undervolted my gpu but these fans are loud asf runnign occt

[clear canyon]

Ur fans are at 30%

[lyric portal]

I was talking about the quality of the Chinese stuff. Also, mice usually last a VERY long time, but do you really believe you'll be able to clean up all the previous owner's sweat from it? ...I am not against buying used, just not for something you'll be touching non stop

[strange atlas]

Yes thats why i wasnt sure if i should get it

i agree with you %100 but budget is also the problem

[tidal trail]

theyre way louder than 30% i think afterburner is just wrong since i used fan control

[lyric portal]

razer bazilisk/basilisk v3 maybe?

[tidal trail]

73% right now

[strange atlas]

My current mouse is called performax xotran dont know its mcu it has PAW3327 sensor and thats all

[clear canyon]

What?

[strange atlas]

It doesnt understand most of my movements too

[clear canyon]

Yeah that's not 30% lol

[tidal trail]

yea ik but like everything else, voltage, clock speed is it good?

I will probably jsut mess with fan curves once i figure out this undervolting stuff for my gpu

[lyric portal]

sry, miss-clicked 😐 , but I am in the same boat actually...I did the same thing with mine (7800xt) and I hear these fans with noise canceling headphones

[lyric portal]

razer bazilisk/basilisk v3 maybe? ...they are both pretty cheap compared to the 502 lightspeed and are still good to hold in hand with decent sensors (v3 should be better between the 2 of course)

[neat oxide]

Is it normal my pc is taking fucking forever to do anything, i just built it

[gleaming rose]

well what are the specs

[lyric portal]

could be windows update running in the background

[balmy tapir]

if you have a hdd, id gamble you installed your OS on it instead of an ssd

[neat oxide]

64gb ram, 9070 xt and 9800xed

[clear canyon]

Specs?

[neat oxide]

Only an SSD in there

[distant frigate]

Damn. 5.5B internet users

[neat oxide]

@clear canyon

[distant frigate]

So about 67.9% of the global population

[gleaming rose]

ngl install linux

[clear canyon]

That doesn't tell us much, we need ssd too

[balmy tapir]

hmm

[clear canyon]

Your mom makes it 5.6B /s

[balmy tapir]

windows 11? do you have the drivers you need

[neat oxide]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/X6MRC8

Thats my build

[distant frigate]

I wonder who the 33.1% remaining in the world are

[clear canyon]

What's taking long to load

[lyric portal]

do you just have bad internet? 😄

[neat oxide]

Tryna go to YouTube

[gleaming rose]

is your internet ok?

[clear canyon]

You probably have slow internet, or if you have an ad blocker, that also affects yt speed with they trying to prevent ppl from doing it

[neat oxide]

So set up closer to my router?

And then see?

[gleaming rose]

try that ,or just get ethernet

[lyric portal]

or just plug it in

[clear canyon]

Ew, wifi

[frosty oriole]

Why is there a graph within the graphs? I've never seen this before.

[bronze jay]

I want to install 1tb of steam games

[clear canyon]

Wifi = Cryfi

[solar moat]

since its messers things

[solar moat]

kernal time

[neat oxide]

Im not running a 100ft ethernet cable through my parent's house

[clear canyon]

What? That's just taskmanager, its existed for over 20 years

[clear canyon]

What is your internet speed

[balmy tapir]

probably one per thread

[frosty oriole]

Some games (like VRChat) can perform better in WiFi. I was having constant connection timeouts over Ethernet, but was completely fine over WiFi. That said, I get much faster Steam transfer speeds over Ethernet, and it's much better to stream games to friends with as well.

[frosty oriole]

It's normally 1 solid colour, though.

[clear canyon]

That's just wrong, your ethernet controller is just fucked bc wifi will always be inferior to ethernet

[balmy tapir]

right click and change graph if you just want one

[lyric portal]

just check openspeedtest, then download their app, run it and test from another PC(or phone) on that network- you will know if it is the wifi

[frosty oriole]

It's probably more of a VRChat thing, doesn't happen on any other game, and VRChat is just scuffed.

[lyric portal]

this is an edge case, but I'd take wifi 7 over 1gig ethernet any day, and I am a network engineer

[frosty oriole]

But I do like to being it up as an example, because it does show that it's not always the case.

[mellow cairn]

That is absolute garbage. It may be true for you in your specific instance, but it's absolutely not the case generally

[clear canyon]

I wouldn't, I'd rather have constant latency over wifi latency

[mellow cairn]

It is.

[frosty oriole]

It definitely is a niche case, but it is definitely a case.

[clear canyon]

Just bc it's faster, does not mean it's better

[balmy tapir]

thats fully dependent on location of the AP

[frosty oriole]

Well then, why wasn't it?

[solar moat]

yes wifi mb/s in good cases is vary good 100% i take ethernet still even if in practice i get higher GB/s with wifi

[mellow cairn]

It's a case of your wired network being fucked.

[frosty oriole]

It was only that one game, and it's fine in every other game.

Ethernet is actually better in every other game.

[balmy tapir]

that just doesnt make sense

[mellow cairn]

What you mean is that you didn't notice the difference

That's not even close to the same thing

[clear canyon]

Whay doesn't

[neat oxide]

Idk

[clear canyon]

Bruh, just check

[balmy tapir]

wifi performing better in VR Chat but not in other games

[frosty oriole]

I mean I was having constant time-outs every 2 - 3 minutes and struggling to connect. Switched over to WiFi and the issue was immediately fixed.

[clear canyon]

Wifi is overall worse than ethernet

[balmy tapir]

im aware

[mellow cairn]

It's quite possible that the vrchat network code is particularly sensitive to network issues.

[lyric portal]

openspeedtest, google it

[sleek remnant]

holy shit creaperhead is now floatplan 'ing'

[clear canyon]

Now you are aware^2

[balmy tapir]

lol

[clear canyon]

I have for a long time now 🤣

Like 2 years

[bronze jay]

I like that if I overheat food in the microwave I can just blast it with the fan on my desk for 10 seconds

[mellow cairn]

Yes, I'm not saying that what you observed wasn't happening, I'm saying the conclusions you have drawn are based on a lack of understanding.

[frosty oriole]

It has seemed to be fixed since, but it was a legitmate example. It still confuses me to this day, though.

Was an issue like that for a week or so, so I switched to WiFi for a while, but I'm back on Ethernet now.

[mellow cairn]

Ezpz, your wired network is broken in some way and either loses packets or disconnects/reconnects

And the way in which vrchat dealt with that caused those issues

[clear canyon]

Connection to server is prob ass

[mellow cairn]

.... You meanbto the switch.

Because the server in this case would be on the internet.

[frosty oriole]

I figured it would've shown up on an internet speed test or appeared as an issue in other games that are very sensitive to packet loss (like 3rd-party multiplayer mods).

[clear canyon]

I'm talking about the vrchat connection, its probably ass

[mellow cairn]

Yes

[sleek remnant]

wha- what the fuck i didn't saw before, did i just slept for 2 year

can't believe time is flying

[mint umbra]

why is there like no big canadaian devs

like all these big devs are usually in america

[lyric portal]

on the networking part...has anybody figured out a way to use intel BE200 cards on amd systems?

[clear canyon]

Bc yes

[clear canyon]

Why would it bc an issue to not?

Just connect it

[mint umbra]

does canada just not want to invest in the tech industry or something

[clear canyon]

And it should work

[clear canyon]

Not how that works

[mellow cairn]

Start one.

[lyric portal]

it should, but it doesn't...found out the hard way 😄

[mint umbra]

cant im poor

[formal sonnet]

Huh? The Canadian government has ISED, but otherwise they don't decide whether or not a company sets up shop here... https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/ised/en

[clear canyon]

Just don't be poor, that ez

[surreal cipher]

Finally got around to upgrading from my old i7 8700 (Went to a Ryzen 7 9800X3D). I haven't changed my graphics card yet (RTX 2080) (planning on doing that in a few months) but there is already a noticeably big difference in some games e.g FF7 Rebirth.

[balmy tapir]

it works on old pcie 1.0/2.0 amd systems 💀

[mint umbra]

Idk it just feels like canada is behind in the tech field compared to america

[balmy tapir]

its because when a canadian company gets big enough they get sold or move to america lol

[clear canyon]

Currently Canada economy is complete ass

[mint umbra]

like only Canadian dev I can think of warframe devs

[mint umbra]

Idk if I agree with that one

[clear canyon]

Its cheaper to exsist in the us

[formal sonnet]

Correct. The stonk market, multiple "tech centered" large cities, and global distribution system are all based out of the US, making it much more logistically "simple" to operate certain industries.

[mellow cairn]

... The tech field entirely consisting of large game development studios?

[lyric portal]

try going to the dentist there 😄

[mellow cairn]

It's almost like there's a global economy and trade

[clear canyon]

Its not expensive, last dentist appointment was 20 bucks

[mint umbra]

even small dev teams dont see that many canadian ones

[balmy tapir]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_companies_of_Canada

[frosty oriole]

Balatro dev.

[lyric portal]

mine are almost all free in Bulgaria, if we are flexing 😄

[mint umbra]

yeah I know he was canadian

[marsh igloo]

why does my mouse sound like this whenever it moves

no pressing other buttons

[frosty oriole]

Was. Wait, did he die?

[clear canyon]

Shitty mouse

[strange atlas]

not in turkey apparently they are pretty expensive

[mint umbra]

no

[formal sonnet]

Oh my... there are quite a few big-name game dev studios that began in Canada:

• BioWare
• Relic Entertainment
• Rockstar Canada
• Ubisoft

[clear canyon]

Or mouse pad is not even

[mint umbra]

I mean ubisoft is in canadian

but they aren't a canadian company

arent

[marsh igloo]

how do i make it even, i felt inconsistent drag while drifting my mouse

[mellow cairn]

Source: vibes

Research: none

[mint umbra]

rockstar is american

[random gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9eMiBHMhHw

no way 😭

[mint umbra]

ubisoft is french

[formal sonnet]

Wrong. 😛 They're Scottish in their roots. Good old DMA Design.

[mint umbra]

are they not

idk but they arent canadian

[frosty oriole]

We don't have any big name fabs like Intel or TSMC here.

[mellow cairn]

You talk a lot of shit for someone who knows nothing

[formal sonnet]

This takes me WAAAAAAY back. Rockstar made this gem of a puzzle platformer between GTAI and GTAII. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9USZHJQwcY

[frosty oriole]

We do have cool things like particle accelerators, though.

[mint umbra]

most canadian tech stuff is like secondary dev teams from other countries

no like home grown tech

[mellow cairn]

... I mean, there's two countries in the world that do.

[strange atlas]

Which one should i get VXE R1 / Attack Shark X3 / Attack Shark r1 / Attack shark X11 / Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum / AJAZZ AJ159 Pro 8k?

[frosty oriole]

Korea also.

[mellow cairn]

My point is - why does it matter.

[sleek ibex]

[frosty oriole]

I provided an example.

[mellow cairn]

"omg my country does have specialist production of item X"

[mint umbra]

I just know they werent canadian

[frosty oriole]

Lol, stop getting your panties in a twist, I was just showing an example.

[formal sonnet]

Shopify is home grown. Rainmaker Studios gave us the first fully computer-animated television series.

[mint umbra]

is shopify a tech company tho

[mellow cairn]

.... High end fabs is a terrible example

[long goblet]

I kinda like Heimskr's liturgy. Positively declaring that Talos was an ass-man. There's a deity I can identify with.

[mint umbra]

wouldnt that be like calling amazon a tech company

[frosty oriole]

It's only the most important businesses in the tech sector.

[mellow cairn]

.... Have you heard of AWS?

[formal sonnet]

Um. I hate to break it to you, but something like 30% of the world runs on AWS. Amazon quite literally is a tech company.

[mellow cairn]

..... What the fucking shit are you talking about

[clear canyon]

Yeah

[mint umbra]

idk what aws is

[mellow cairn]

Jesus h christ

[frosty oriole]

Without high-end fabs, there Nvidia wouldn't have the market cap that they do, AWS wouldn't exist, nothing would be what it is now.

[long goblet]

then start learning, lest you embarrass yourself further.

[rapid quarry]

Have you seen what Amazon even does? They aren’t just a shopping platform

[lyric portal]

attack shark and ajazz are literally made on the same production line- I read about some people mixing and matching their firmware even, vxe seems like a good choice, but it is not the first time I read good things about mchose, maybe look into those guys?

[limber nacelle]

canada has a ton of studios in quebec and in bc ^^

[mint umbra]

but isnt shopify just a 3rd party seller tho

[limber nacelle]

i think vancouver has more VFX related studios, but we do have a good amount of game studios

[formal sonnet]

Also, Digital Extremes might only publish a small handful of games, but they regularly consult with big name game studios in many countries around the world. I'd argue that Warframe is their side project; game / software development consulting is their main product.

[mellow cairn]

Yeah there are hundreds of things for which that is true. Doesn't make them "the most important".

[mint umbra]

I was aware of them

[limber nacelle]

RIP the quebec VFX studios

[frosty oriole]

Okay, what is more important than fabs?

[mint umbra]

all ive ever used it for is shopping

thought shopify was canada version on that

[mellow cairn]

I mean you have to have chips to fab. No design. No fab. You have to have the fab chemical supplies. No supplies, no fab. Therefore 3M is the most important company in the world.

[formal sonnet]

No. Shopify is an entire eCommerce platform, similar to Amazon / eBay, except instead of being a singular marketplace where you can login with one account to buy all sorts of products, they let anyone open their own custom-branded web store to sell their own goods and services.

Shopify is more or less a whitelabel online website design / development + online store platform.

[frosty oriole]

There are multiple brands that all do that. But for actual hardware chips, there's really only 2, and for storage and memory, there's 2, maybe 3 companies.

[mint umbra]

I have a shop app that does something similar

[mellow cairn]

No, there isn't.

[slim atlas]

hey guys, i'm having some trouble overclocking my 5950x and wondering if anyone could help me out

[mint umbra]

Ive never used shopify cuz I hate the ceo

[rapid quarry]

Amazon has fingers in a ton of pies. The very Amazon Echo automatically makes them a tech company. They are very much like Disney

[lyric portal]

the company making the machines for them, they could always make another one and the economic repercussions would hardly be worse than the 2020 chip shortage. Also, people, bear in mind that we are (slowly) running out of sand to make the chips 😄

[mint umbra]

I see

[formal sonnet]

Oh also.... Club Penguin. Yes, the entirety of Club Penguin, pre Disney acquisition, was Canadian.

[mint umbra]

they made club penguin crazy

there is more than I was aware of but still feels like canada is behind usa

[frosty oriole]

Okay, how many are there?

[mint umbra]

expeically with ai and sutff

[mellow cairn]

@frosty oriole your core argument was that Canada tech industry is behind because they don't have a high end chip fab, and apparently chip fabs are the most important thing ever.

[formal sonnet]

Always will be so long as the global economy is centered around USD and the stonk market.

[mint umbra]

ggs

[frosty oriole]

It is a single example.
Also, I said they're the most important thing in the tech sector, not ever. I'm sorry you struggle to read.

[mellow cairn]

..... Imagine being behind a company that has more people and a larger economy. For shame.

[random gyro]

usa moggs canada

[mint umbra]

Behind alot of eu as well

[frosty oriole]

I also provided an examnple showing Canada isn't super far behind in tech.

[formal sonnet]

Indeed. I'd argue both 3M and that Dutch Lithography company are way up there for literally anything electronic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML_Holding

[mellow cairn]

The thing is, "most important in the tech sector " and "most important ever" is basically just as stupid as each other.

[mint umbra]

like what does canada specialize in other than oil and lumber

[frosty oriole]

Wood.

[mellow cairn]

Maple syrup

[limber nacelle]

we also produce cars, we produce a LOT of digital media

[random gyro]

being bigger than 75% of countries and having the same population as california

[frosty oriole]

That's a massive stretch, but okay.

[mint umbra]

to cold to live up there

no one wants to live in the cold

[thorn pewter]

Massive....

[mellow cairn]

The concept of "most important" doesn't even make sense in this context.

[random gyro]

better than living in the 115 degree arizona heat tbh

[frosty oriole]

That actually isn't a huge export thing, even though we're quite known for it.

[mint umbra]

dissagree

[lyric portal]

ok, I'm out, didn't even have a drink and got drawn into politics stuff

[mint umbra]

id rather be in 115 than freeze to death

[frosty oriole]

Well, you could've decided to start with that.

[random gyro]

would you rather be in 20 degree weather with the ability to make a fire and you have warm clothes, or a dry 115 degree heat without much water or anything to cool you down

[rapid quarry]

Accidentally posted this in TC2 but it is a photo of all of the stuff Amazon owns. It’s pretty diverse #tech-chat-2 message

[mint umbra]

wdym nothing to cool you down does ac not exist

[stoic nova]

can always layer up more and more

theres only so far you can layer down before its illegal

[mint umbra]

id rathe sweat than have my feet feel frozen is all im saying

[random gyro]

lots of AC issues over there

[mint umbra]

and some winters no mater how many layers you have your gunna be freezing ur ass off

expecially in the hands and feet

[frosty oriole]

I will point out, you often fight against statements, but then rarely give the correct answers in the initial reply. It makes it hard to have a back and forth discussion when all you say is "You're wrong."

[random gyro]

i only prefer winter because its always humid in north carolina lol, during summer its 85-90F and 75-85% humidity

feels like after u get out of a hot shower

[mint umbra]

Its humid in canada summers too at like 25c

[random gyro]

humidity SUCKS

[mint umbra]

maybe not as hot as down south

but its very humid

[stoic nova]

hwbob is actually very knowledgable but in discussions like this, a mutual consensus is already not gonna happen

[mint umbra]

feels like canada is just a supplier of raw materials and not much innovation happens here

[formal sonnet]

Depends on where you're talking about. The west coast does indeed get humid sticky during summer, meanwhile the interior is more of a dry heat. It's a bit of personal preference as to which is better.

[mint umbra]

east coast

[random gyro]

yeah cause like 80% of canada cant be lived in, and the population is too small

[limber nacelle]

me when i don't have to ever leave the house and have the priveledge of affording AC

[frosty oriole]

Yeah, he seems smart, I just wish he conveyed that differently. I like to talk and learn about tech, but it seems like he often just wants to argue about who's right; instead of just providing answers so people can learn.

[limber nacelle]

nuh uh dry heat is so much easier to tolerate than humid heat

[formal sonnet]

I would agree, but I know some people who prefer humidity.

[limber nacelle]

i don't think there's a debate, humidity is so ass

[random gyro]

anyone who disagrees hasnt been in over 50% humidity, let alone 85%

[limber nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-gun-gif-27116588

[mint umbra]

I mean alot of places in eu dont have high population

[frosty oriole]

30% - 40% humidity is nice. Anything different is mid.

[frosty oriole]

Yeah, I was trying to tell people that 100% humidity and extreme heat is very deadly, as you can't sweat properly.

And they were like "Nuh uh, dry heat is worse."

[formal sonnet]

Yee - again, I feel the same. Anything over 24 C in 60% humidity is too much for me to do anything other than sit calmly not generating any more of my own body heat. Like, I can tolerate it, but it makes me miserable.

[gleaming minnow]

rate my setup

[limber nacelle]

when it's humid i just feel like there's no way to disperse the heat from my body

[neat oxide]

My PC is on a black screen and has been for nearly 15 minute after doing some updates that required a reset, what should i do?

[frosty oriole]

That's like a solid 8, maybe 8.5/10.

[limber nacelle]

it just feels like a fricken sauna

just awful awful stuff

dry heat in comparison feels way better

[gleaming minnow]

leave it if you turn it off it could corrupt your os

[neat oxide]

Ok

[mellow cairn]

because the reason you're wrong is you fundamentally don't understand multiple things. You're making a sweeping statement that is wrong because of core assumptions about the fundamental way in which things work. It's called a "ben shapiro"

[mint umbra]

I just wish we had more tech stuff here in canada so I didnt have to pay import taxes on everything

[frosty oriole]

Again, instead of telling me how I'm wrong, tell me how to be right.

[mellow cairn]

Understand the tech industry, world economy, trade, and manufacturing process?

It's not exactly a short response

[frosty oriole]

I'm saying provide examples instead of just "No."

[frosty oriole]

Again, like here. You could've said "There's actually X amount." And then listed them.

[mellow cairn]

Your assumption is that the things you need to run a fab are common off the shelf shit.

[latent gull]

meanwhile in the US you get all of the above in a 3 day period

[mellow cairn]

You want me to do the hard yards in terms of backing up everything, when you're not prepared to do the same

[frosty oriole]

That's unrelated to the statement, though. I was saying how many big name companies have fabs.

[frosty oriole]

Bro, you're thinking I'm wanting to argue. This is exactly what I mean. I'm here to learn and talk about tech. You're just here to argue and be right.

[mellow cairn]

... then stop stating things you are postulating as fact, and state them as questions.

[stoic nova]

this is what I tried to tell them earlier...its a loaded question and all the info you could dump on them wont lead to a mutual consensus

[frosty oriole]

I would've already been doing so if you had already been providing answers, but I'm willing to change that now if we're both on the same page.

[latent gull]

i was curious about this argument, and then i saw this person was arguing a point damocles had made.

[mellow cairn]

The thing, basically any advanced manufacturing has a bunch of things it depends on. It's the nature of advanced manufacturing. Shit, Russia can't manufacture their own rail wheel bearings

[latent gull]

global economy go brrrt

[mellow cairn]

exactly

So simplifying it to "X company has no Y omg!" is ridiculous

[frosty oriole]

I do know what me adding periods makes me seem like I'm trying to be exactly right about things, but that's not the case. I have OCD, so I use periods. I state my understanding of things, and am open to hear the reasons and answers otherwise, but I really dislike when the "answer" is just "You're wrong." That doesn't teach me anything.

[mellow cairn]

You made a statement.

[latent gull]

you ever played satisfactory, or factorio? or any of those types of games?

[frosty oriole]

Okay, so me saying it's the most important thing was a broad statement. I would've preferred you say "That's painting it with too broad of a brush and isn't the case." or something similar.

[frosty oriole]

Yes, and I know what you're going to get at.

[random gyro]

guys my dad ordered me a new IEM cable so my right earbud will work 🙏

[latent gull]

cool, so you shouldnt need us to explain the answer if you already know it

[frosty oriole]

Just because I know how Satisfactory works doesn't mean I know how fabs are built or how they get their resources and supplies.

[latent gull]

but anyways. to complete the end game, every part of the game is important, you cant just skip a section and say its less important, or focus all your energy on one section of the game and hope it works

[mellow cairn]

And you can't draw inferences?

The specifics don't actually matter

[frosty oriole]

Again, I'm here to learn and receive answers.

[mellow cairn]

Like I said, any advanced manufacturing has similar things.

[frosty oriole]

I want to know specifics, I like details.

If I'm wrong, I want to know the answer.

[latent gull]

then get to researchin cause theres a lot

[mellow cairn]

Except that won't help you. It's actually far better to understand the concepts and processes

Because this was a conversation about economics and industry.

[frosty oriole]

I like seeing how people teach and tell me the answers so I can do it properly for others.

[latent gull]

then go to school for it :P

[mint umbra]

Wish I could get stuff as cheap as it is in america

[frosty oriole]

If you go to a car meet and ask someone about their engine, that's not the response they give you. I like it when people share knowledge, it benefits everybody.

[mellow cairn]

I have some good news for you

[mellow cairn]

You didn't ask anything

[latent gull]

yeah, but we dont own the fabs

[mint umbra]

prices are only going to go up in coming months

sadge

[mellow cairn]

Yeah, in America.

[mint umbra]

else were too

not just america

[mellow cairn]

Yes but more there, so your prices will be less when compared.

[frosty oriole]

I don't want to go in circles too much today.

[mint umbra]

well most tech I buy is shipped from america

[frosty oriole]

You guys are talking like you know the answers, which makes me want to know what you know.

[mint umbra]

idk if they will start storing them in diff warhouses

[mellow cairn]

Yes, but it would take hours for me to explain that and it's not secret

[mint umbra]

but that how its been

[mellow cairn]

And it consists of some amount of specific knowledge, and a lot of generalised knowledge about how economies and supply chains work

[frosty oriole]

You can just state the important parts.
Going back to my other example, if you ask a car guy about his engine, he'll tell you the mods, or if you ask a PC guy about the PC, he'll tell you about the specs. Neither need to start telling paragraphs about how car engines or computer parts work.

[mellow cairn]

Go and binge watch everything Wendover productions has made - seriously

[mellow cairn]

Because they assume you know already. There's a shared base of knowledge. Your statements showed you didn't understand the core concepts enough

[latent gull]

but if a car guy tells your about his carburetor, and you dont know what a carburator GENERALLY is, then it means nothing to you and you have wasted both his and your time

[frosty oriole]

It's safe to assume some level of knowledge, and then fill in the gaps. If there's anything left out, it's often-

[vestal roost]

hi is there anyway to work the argb fan to a non argb motherboard?

[frosty oriole]

Yes, we're on the same page, cool.
So, what does 3M provide to TSMC?

[mellow cairn]

Yes, with an argb controller

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/semiconductor-us/

[frosty oriole]

It's still helpful to know, actually. It gives you context and more insight to what people do. And again, it shows how people explain things.

[latent gull]

but again, if you do not have a basic understanding of a carburetor, it does no good to build on that lack of knowledge, as theres no foundation

[ashen hedge]

ripped the same song from two different services

spotify (top)
apple music (bottom)

look how much more dynamic apple music is, wow

[frosty oriole]

I appreciate you guys posting that, though I will post this again.

[mellow cairn]

Your statement that "fab is the most important" shows that you don't understand how to rank importance or understand how supply chains work.

[frosty oriole]

I didn't realize you were going that far, especially since people need to know what a carb is to ask about it. But even still, they have some info now, whereas before they had none.

[mint umbra]

I had no idea 3m made so much stuff

[vestal roost]

this is my mobo btw. my 4 argb fan is connected right now to a splitter and the splitter is connected to sys fan. fans working but no rgb is working obviously.

[mint umbra]

I thought 3m just made like safety equipment

[mellow cairn]

That's 12V RGB, so it's basically garbage

[frosty oriole]

Had I said valuable, would that have been more accurate?

[latent gull]

im only saying it that specifically because that is an analogy of whats happening here, you are asking for specific information of something you do not understand even at a generalized level

[mellow cairn]

Also no

[mellow cairn]

I mean it is critical worldwide infrastructure, but using it as an example of any one country doesn't mean a lot.

[mint umbra]

and like house hold items like tape and stuff

[latent gull]

theyre a very large company, but it seems they make similar things for wafer production specifically, packaging and handling materials, some cleaning products too

[mellow cairn]

3M make... Stuff. So much stuff.

[frosty oriole]

I know what a fab is, and I know they get supplies from somewhere. I was just echoing what I've heard elsewhere. I know the process of how chips are made, but I don't know the specifics of how they source their materials.

[latent gull]

i mean, that would be specific to every company, hell, maybe even every individual fab, depending on local laws/regulations/politics

[mellow cairn]

The key to understand is that while it's nice to know more stuff - you don't need to know the specifics. All you need to understand is that it's extremely advanced and specialised manufacturing

[frosty oriole]

I appreciate that you expanded your answer, thank you.

[latent gull]

okay most the 3m stuff makes sense, and this does too, to a point, but its very unexpected

[mellow cairn]

The concept that any one country can "go it alone" is something that makes no sense in 2025.

[latent gull]

i mean, technically maybe a country the size of china/russia/india might have enough raw resources of the correct kind AND intellect to figure out a start to finish supply chain, but it would be expensive

[mellow cairn]

Also a computer/phone/whatever is actually the result of many many thousands of man years across the world.

[mellow cairn]

Nope. You end up missing specific bits. And even if it's theoretically possible, not the same thing as running that industry.

[latent gull]

oh absolutely it wouldnt give a monopoly on it, theres always going to be competition, but theyre still going to try

[mellow cairn]

No, I mean it wouldn't be possible.

Because the components and knowledge are so extremely specialised that it won't happen

[humble minnow]

I am currently exploring options for high-quality home server racks, specifically closed racks, suitable for home use in the UK. Could you kindly recommend some reliable brands, models, or suppliers that offer these products?

[mellow cairn]

Home use racks? You like constant whirring noise?

[humble minnow]

yeah?

[mellow cairn]

Enclosed only really makes sense for lower power stuff like networking

[humble minnow]

going to have some that i have dogs that bits cables so need closed

[latent gull]

dog training might be cheaper

[humble minnow]

[mellow cairn]

Wtf

[humble minnow]

yeah ik

[mellow cairn]

But also what do you mean high quality.... Where are you putting this?

And how many servers etc do you want in it

[humble minnow]

just ensloed is mostly what i need

like 4 server 2 switchs dream machine pro and pdu

[latent gull]

\

i never realized how tiny this is. its adorable

[mellow cairn]

And what, in your loungeroom?

[humble minnow]

in my room or storage place

[frail delta]

As in your bedroom?

Are they all 4ru servers? I’d sure as hell hope so if they’re going to be in your bedroom

[humble minnow]

yeah not that loud lol

[frail delta]

You resell colocation, just chuck them in the data centre

Unless the colocation you’re selling is in your bedroom…

[humble minnow]

i 2-3 racks in there and no not in my room

[frail delta]

Look at that, you have three racks you can use without having to worry about noise, buying a rack, or shit getting eaten by your dogs

[humble minnow]

most are full like 14u left clients

[frail delta]

So you have 14ru to work with

[mellow cairn]

Is your bedroom upstairs?

Because that should be fine.

You can put infinite weight on upstairs floors

And it's not a problem with ingress or egress either

[runic dome]

do they still make pcie ssds?

not nvme. true pcie

[rapid quarry]

I think they do. They are just super niche

[dawn tundra]

My dad's best friend died today and we just got the news

He was a good friend of mine to

[rugged sand]

Sorry 🙏

[dark comet]

Corsair 4000d or lian Li vision? I know tempered glass is cooler, but how much better cooling is mesh compared to it

[dawn tundra]

It's going to be on the news

He crashed his bike

[mellow cairn]

Pcie to m.2 with an SSD in it is exactly the same.

[runic dome]

alright

ill look at those

thanks

[mellow cairn]

M.2 is just x4 pcie in a different form factor

[mellow cairn]

Ehhh, it depends on so many things. Also how much you care about them.

[dark comet]

What things? Im prob getting a 9070 xt

[mellow cairn]

Mainly how much you care about noise vs looks and how you're going to structure your airflow and what fans you will use

The reality is that almost any proper case will be fine.

Gamers nexus do very good case reviews.

[dark comet]

I don't give two 💩about looks... I just want pure performance

[dark comet]

Alright I will take a look tysm

[mellow cairn]

The performance is unlikely to be any different.

[dark comet]

Doesn't mesh have more airflow than tempered glass?

[mellow cairn]

I mean tempered glass has no airflow through it at all

[dark comet]

Where is the air going if it's all sealed off... I just realized

[mellow cairn]

But that doesn't affect the overall performance of the computer

[dark comet]

Hotter tho

[mellow cairn]

... Not necessarily

[dark comet]

Wouldn't it damage the parts in the long run

[mellow cairn]

No

[dark comet]

Howw

[mellow cairn]

The parts are made to be hot

[clear canyon]

Voltage will affect your parts lifespan

[dark comet]

I hear people talk about a good power supply, but what makes it good

[clear canyon]

It not being shit

[dark comet]

Bru I'll just get the cheapest big case then 🤷‍♂️

[clear canyon]

Bad ones die, don't live to what they are rated for, and is overall shit

[dark comet]

I chose the whatever core reactor ii thingy ._.

[clear canyon]

?

[dark comet]

Let me find it

[clear canyon]

You want to get a psu where the brand overbuilt it basically

[mellow cairn]

PSU tier list

[dark comet]

I heard that was good

[dark comet]

Idk they all look like the same black bricks to me

[clear canyon]

Bruh, look at the ltt psu tier list

[dark comet]

Alrr

[shell horizon]

im trying to build a budget gaming sff pc, i got my i7-7700 and im wondering whats the best low profile gpu for games like fortnite and gta5, potentinally some pcvr vrchat to.

[dark comet]

Where is this list 💀

[clear canyon]

The forums

[dark comet]

I tried searching for it on yt and google

I found an older one from 2022

[clear canyon]

https://www.lttlabs.com/categories/power-supplies

[dark comet]

Bro the best on there is like $800

[clear canyon]

Dont go for a 1600w psu???

[thorn pewter]

1660 or a 1650 would be more than fine

Snipe them from the used markets for even cheaper prices

[hoary agate]

mini ln2 cooler frfr

[hoary agate]

What’s budget

[shell horizon]

uh

300$ for everything

[hoary agate]

What’s ur process rn

Price

[shell horizon]

ive got this insane deal on the optiplex for 90$

[hoary agate]

Like how much money spent so far

[shell horizon]

so 210$ left

[peak knot]

Would be a poor cooler unless it’s for chipset or something

[hoary agate]

That’s the joke

[hoary agate]

3050lp

[thorn pewter]

Hell nah

[peak knot]

Ngl though I could always use a mini ln2 pot for chipset

I tend to use a copper mug

[shell horizon]

what about the 1650 ive herd so much about

[thorn pewter]

A 2060 is better in every way imaginable

[hoary agate]

THERE ARE NO 2060 LP

[dark comet]

I didn't see the one I chose on there, but it still seems like a decent unit...

[shell horizon]

1650 mb

[hoary agate]

Good option too

[clear canyon]

Get one that's already on the list

[thorn pewter]

There are very small 2060s for way cheaper than the ass of a gpu that's called a 3050

[clear canyon]

1650 is very slow for today's standard

[shell horizon]

i think il use it, it'll play 60fps on gta5 and everything else il wanna play

[shell horizon]

i dont plan on playing modern titles

[hoary agate]

Ok are they half height

[thorn pewter]

Paired with 7th grn Intel isn't that bad for what he asked for

[shell horizon]

fortnite,roblox,minecraft,and gta is abt all i want

[peak knot]

@hoary agate

[clear canyon]

I recommend a 2060 tbh

[hoary agate]

not even a bad thing to do lol gets the job done

[thorn pewter]

Yeah 2060 fr

[peak knot]

I hit 515 bclk on my z390

[thorn pewter]

1650 can do that, but meh card even for low level stuff

[thorn pewter]

What cpu?

[hoary agate]

Is it mid tower or sff

[peak knot]

9900k

[shell horizon]

sff

[clear canyon]

Why sff?

[thorn pewter]

They are hella cheap for the Masses

[hoary agate]

It’s cheap and he already has it

[shell horizon]

cuz i want one?

and i plan on keeping it on a shelf lol

[hoary agate]

Get a 1650 LP or 3050 LP

(Only good half height cards that can do a little gaming)

[shell horizon]

i7-7700 16gb ram for 99$ is a killer impo

[clear canyon]

So you want very limited options?

[hoary agate]

The 7700 is like 65 already LOL

[shell horizon]

idk if a shelf could support a mt

[thorn pewter]

For 60 more, you can get a decent am4 system with a real case

[hoary agate]

Can shelf handle heavy big tower

[shell horizon]

exactly

[fathom stag]

Quick question, if I have a 5600X, shouyld I go with a 6600 or a b570?

[clear canyon]

Depends on the shelf

[thorn pewter]

6600

[clear canyon]

B580

[shell horizon]

2 screws

or wtv i find

[fathom stag]

Well problem is that in my country the B580 is similar price to the 4060 and the 7600

[clear canyon]

B570 sucks

[hoary agate]

Safety hazard ah

[fathom stag]

ok

[shell horizon]

well depends on what shelf i end up buying but

im on a bunkbed with not much room so i dont want a massive mt, so i wanna use a sff,

[hoary agate]

It is 12% less perf for like 12% less price (MSRP and compared to b580)
It’s literally scaled down b580
But my data may be wrong considering it may be old

[clear canyon]

Its not a good gpu

[hoary agate]

What’s a better new card for the price

[clear canyon]

B580

Or an amd card

[hoary agate]

Like which

[shell horizon]

flexing fr 😔

finally finna be able to play gta5 fr

[clear canyon]

7600xt

[sinful cobalt]

https://youtu.be/Bs1O21ibuKM?si=ha3v6bjjh9-MXe-j best model no cap

[hoary agate]

yeston cooking with this one

[hoary agate]

Better than my 280 dollar pc that I used to have

(R9 390 and i5 6400)

[shell horizon]

well i can get it for 270

[hoary agate]

Yea

That’s why I said that

[shell horizon]

o

cant wait to play gta5

[sinful cobalt]

yeston’s description vs redevil’s description

wtf is a hellstone 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[hoary agate]

Hope you enjoy it but isn’t gta5 pretty expensive

[fathom stag]

tho eitherway any jump to budge new graphics card would be massive for me since im running a 550 (costed 200 dolars cos itt was during the scalper crypto boom )

[clear canyon]

It can play on a potato so if you have a weak pc, try playing it

[shell horizon]

i think sale

[shell horizon]

eh

[clear canyon]

Not joking, is a super easy to run game

[shell horizon]

ii knowie

cant wait to try pcvr on a 1650

[fathom stag]

my previous PC was a A8-7600 and Rx 550 (still using that one)

[clear canyon]

Its meh

[limber nacelle]

171 for a 1650 aint it chief

don't pay that much for a 1650

[shell horizon]

best i could find on ebay

lemme look again then

[limber nacelle]

damn look harder then

ohhh you need an sff card for that pc, I see what's going on

still

[clear canyon]

3050 lp is the best card you can get that's not 10000000 bucks

[maiden crater]

grubhub tripping

and when i check out budget has not been made

what thats means i see the probtrying to use it in the first place

[limber nacelle]

3050 6gb or a2000 if ur lucky like me

[shell horizon]

yea thats the cheaped 1650 i can find

[limber nacelle]

idk

[clear canyon]

Oh nice!

[limber nacelle]

I feel like you'd be better off getting a bigger office pc and getting a better card

[loud viper]

so i have a 3060 Ti and i want to upgrade to an AMD card and i was wondering what card would be a worth it upgrade and how much is the avg cost?

[grizzled frost]

what is your budget

[shell horizon]

i found a 208$ 3050 lp, do i get it

[loud viper]

im of course going to do a slight upgrade on the cpu from a 5600x to a 5700x RD

[maiden crater]

100 im ordering for a meet up

@grizzled frost

and even if i do 20 bucks still

when i add it all comes to the same little 3 bucks

[grizzled frost]

rapter i wasn't talking to you, i was talking to the dude who has posted a message right above mine

[maiden crater]

and says -so and so

[limber nacelle]

how much is an office pc thats not slim and is 8th gen or higher?

[grizzled frost]

What's your budget

[maiden crater]

oh

[shell horizon]

170 ish

[loud viper]

if i could i would like to keep it under 1k

[sinful cobalt]

9070, 9070xt, 7800XT, 7900GRE, 7900XT, 7900XTX are all big punchers

[maiden crater]

well tell me if my issue is a glitch cause my friends are hangry

[limber nacelle]

get that instead imo

[maiden crater]

@grizzled frost what you think

is this on grub hubs side

[limber nacelle]

specially since your processor won't be supported by windows soon

[shell horizon]

but i need a gpu to..

[clear canyon]

9070 is meh

[maiden crater]

when i add and add it says 3.60

[limber nacelle]

you'd be spending less on a card that's not sff

[shell horizon]

il look at optiplex mts rq ig

[sinful cobalt]

9070 is there really jst to upsell the XT

and I’d consider it a SFF type card

[shell horizon]

im pretty sure they have upgradeable psu

witch removes my power limit

[loud viper]

also are alienware gpus worse than other gpus?

[limber nacelle]

yout current main issue is the dimensions

[grizzled frost]

generally, yes

[clear canyon]

Alienware in general sucks

[limber nacelle]

looks like you're getting a slim cased pc

[sinful cobalt]

alienware shit is all proprietary and is shit in general lol

[shell horizon]

on god

[limber nacelle]

which means you'd have to get an sff card... which is typically pricey

[loud viper]

yeah was thinking that my 3060 ti feels like it’s not performing like it should since i first got it

[clear canyon]

Vram issue

[limber nacelle]

Dell cards are surprisingly good

[shell horizon]

159$ "Dell Optiplex 7060 MT i7 8th Gen 16GB RAM/No HDD"

[sinful cobalt]

unless its monitors, u shldnt trust alienware

[limber nacelle]

its not the slim one right?

[shell horizon]

the 7060 has a propritary psu tho 😔

[shell horizon]

its smaller.

but not sff

[limber nacelle]

not this one?

[loud viper]

what is the equivalent of a 7800xt?

[clear canyon]

Midsized tower

[shell horizon]

yes it is that

[limber nacelle]

ah yes get this instead then

[shell horizon]

i dont have much room, i cant get a full case

[limber nacelle]

and get a 2060 super or something

[shell horizon]

i hope the psu can support it

[limber nacelle]

worse comes to worst you can set a static power limit

[shell horizon]

or get adaptors

and use my own psu

[limber nacelle]

errr

[clear canyon]

Dont

[limber nacelle]

lemme look at the psu

[shell horizon]

was joking

dont feel like starting a fire

[limber nacelle]

oh no that's a proprietary form factor psu indeed

I mean.... worse comes to worse.... just have it outside the case

[shell horizon]

uh

[limber nacelle]

ideal no, works yes

[shell horizon]

lemme see witch ones dont have a propritary psu

they gotta have a mt that dont

[thorn pewter]

they most likely dont

[shell horizon]

ive learnt that

[limber nacelle]

oh thinking of it now, I would be a bit careful of getting a new psu for something with a proprietary form factor

[shell horizon]

i cant

[limber nacelle]

their pinout could be funny

[shell horizon]

im not dealing with adaptors

[limber nacelle]

I cant say for certain if this is the case, but I would double check if it is

is what I'm saying

[thorn pewter]

most likly a 18 to 24 pin connecter is needed, but i dont think thats the case, these dell OptiPlex's have standardized mobo connecters

[shell horizon]

so i culd put a normal psu in it

potentially*

[limber nacelle]

good to know

[thorn pewter]

If it fits in it, yes

[shell horizon]

.

ok so

[limber nacelle]

doesnt have to

[shell horizon]

2060 super exceeds my budget, what else

[limber nacelle]

just leave the psu outside of the case

[shell horizon]

its gonna be on a shelf.

[limber nacelle]

what's the budget?

[shell horizon]

i got 300$

[dark comet]

Ok

[shell horizon]

159 for the optiplex

[limber nacelle]

oooof

[shell horizon]

poor fr

[limber nacelle]

how much are reg 2060/1660?

[thorn pewter]

Eh yeah ig so lol

[shell horizon]

200ish

[distant frigate]

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[shell horizon]

lemme try finding a cheaper optiplex

[distant frigate]

Awesome to see all carriers on a cell site

[limber nacelle]

what country?

[limber nacelle]

I wouldnt get smth under 8th gen, if u intend on using windows

[shell horizon]

usa

would u reccoment any other mt's other than optiplex's

[thorn pewter]

If u where you, I would use the igpu that comes with it and wait till cash flows a lil and save up for a 2060 or a 2060 super

[limber nacelle]

hmmm. i feel like you could definitely get something for way less

have you checked Facebook or craigslist?

[thorn pewter]

I found one like 2 sec after sech in the USA for 174

[shell horizon]

cant go to meet up

im a minor 😔

[thorn pewter]

That's with box

[thorn pewter]

Ask you're parents to do that

[limber nacelle]

rough

[shell horizon]

strict

not allowed outside

skull

[thorn pewter]

They can't do it for you?

[shell horizon]

they dont believe in gaming

so no

[limber nacelle]

what about friends? siblings?

[shell horizon]

no friends no siblings

im not allowed outside = i cant make friends lol

[limber nacelle]

bro is locked in a dungeon

[shell horizon]

ik

[limber nacelle]

💀 💀 💀

[thorn pewter]

Bro

[shell horizon]

can yall reccomend something other than a optiplex

thats mt size

thats not propritary like dell

[limber nacelle]

for your budget? no

[thorn pewter]

Look for a deal on a fbmk for a am4 system Abt 150 USD

[shell horizon]

.

[thorn pewter]

That's what I did for one of my builds

[shell horizon]

HOW DO I GO AND GET IT

[thorn pewter]

Tell them to meet up at ur house and pay them 8 bucks more ig

[shell horizon]

its on a giftcard

idk if people carry card scanners

[limber nacelle]

bruh

idk mate I feel like optiplex plus an rx580 might be ur best bet

[shell horizon]

so the optplex i found earlier

with the 8th gen

[limber nacelle]

yes

[thorn pewter]

Wasn't a i7 7770?

[shell horizon]

that was the sff

[wraith bone]

why do psu manufacturers not use high end fans like noctua or phanteks or bequiet which have 120k mtbf instead they use fans with 50k hrs ?

[shell horizon]

but ennui reccomends a mt

[shell horizon]

there not nice

found a rx 480 for 49 dollars

[thorn pewter]

No need to

[thorn pewter]

Dats ass, a 580 at minimum

[shell horizon]

580 mb*

[limber nacelle]

because you'd have to spend a lot to get an sff card that isn't going to be particularly fast either

[thorn pewter]

If you want to play anything remotely good

[shell horizon]

it says they cant test it so it may not work

[limber nacelle]

also 7th gen is about to drop support for windows so....

[shell horizon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/267197287811

[limber nacelle]

if you want to using win11 you need 8th gen or higher

[shell horizon]

eww windows 11

[limber nacelle]

are you planning on using Linux then?

[shell horizon]

its either windows 10 or linux tbh

tiny10

[grizzled frost]

prefering win10 to win11 is crazy

[limber nacelle]

I dont recommend you use windows 10 past the end of support

you won't have security updates and having a vulnerable os is very very bad

[shell horizon]

prob linux then

whats a good price for a 580

[balmy tapir]

windows 11 is fine tbh

[limber nacelle]

i only deal locally so I can't say what's a "good price"

[shell horizon]

is 80$ sound good?

[limber nacelle]

its completely fine if not better if you're on modern hardware imo

[thorn pewter]

W10 ltcs moment

[limber nacelle]

a lot better than a 1650 for 171

[shell horizon]

😭

[limber nacelle]

I mean you could do that too

[shell horizon]

tbh i love how this looks https://www.ebay.com/itm/316468933125

[limber nacelle]

oh there are ways to install windows 11 on unsupported hardware too

[balmy tapir]

i just dont even see a reason to install windows 10 today over 11

[limber nacelle]

not saying you should or shouldnt

[limber nacelle]

agreed

[shell horizon]

dell oem or xfx one

[balmy tapir]

it even ran beter than win 10 on my 3rd gen intel system lol

i would not get the oem one

[shell horizon]

reason?

[balmy tapir]

blower

[shell horizon]

fair

i dont want loud

[limber nacelle]

might be better in an optiplex

[balmy tapir]

they look cool, but just not as good

[limber nacelle]

since those tend to not have a lot of airflow

[balmy tapir]

oh its for an optiplex, hmm

[shell horizon]

yes

[limber nacelle]

yeah I feel like a blower is a fair choice for that scenario

[shell horizon]

im on a budget tryna nuke people in gta

guess il go with the https://www.ebay.com/itm/167395655071

[balmy tapir]

that is true, def take a look at your case and evaluate the your airflow

[limber nacelle]

blowers are a lot better in airflow restricted cases afaik

also since you'd have a solid side panel, can't imagine it'd be that loud

i run a blower card myself and i don't find it that bad

[shell horizon]

looking at the pics

it look like theres alot of room

plus a fan on the back pulling air out

might have to put one on the front to pull air in tho

[limber nacelle]

issue is airflow

[shell horizon]

wait no the psu does that uh

[balmy tapir]

might not be a terrible idea to drill holes in the side of the case lol

make an side mount fan

[shell horizon]

i want it to be pretty

[limber nacelle]

genuinely yeah

[shell horizon]

hmm

[limber nacelle]

err with a $300 PC you take what you can get

[grizzled frost]

depends on how it's airflow limited, but generally yes

[shell horizon]

pull air in

or push out

[grizzled frost]

i meant what the airflow configuration is...

[shell horizon]

uh

psu pulls air in

[limber nacelle]

solely push probably

common for office PCs

[shell horizon]

and back pushes out

it looks like*

i can always flip the fan if i want to