tech-chat-1

[thorn pewter]

I think I got one of those cubed bread crumbs thingies people put on salads

[azure topaz]

youll see the rated gpu boost clock at 83 degrees on almost any nvidia card

[molten sleet]

latency is the time it takes for everything in your pc to compute what's going on. low fps means it's taking longer for your gpu to render each frame, hence the higher latency with lower fps'. frame gen would make the end result look smoother but doesn't do anything to reduce the latency

[azure topaz]

thats where nv cards throttle below their advertised boost

[unborn condor]

i don't think my latency would be high with the hardware i'd have

[noble ermine]

Usually systems don't have latency problems unless running networked or something causes them.

[thorn pewter]

I got it, so here what's am going through do, lasagna main dish, Cesar salad next to it, a homemade mango slush and prob a bit of feta cheese cuz why not with sum.olive oil to top it off,

[azure topaz]

latency is a very broad thing and can describe just about anything

[latent pasture]

frame gen doesnt care abt what you have, it still has to hold back the frame to generate the middle ones

[thorn pewter]

No lol

[unborn condor]

how bad of latency are we talking about?

[molten sleet]

it's mainly dependent on the base frame rate you're upscaling from. you can have a 5090 but if you're trying to upscale from 1440p30fps to 8k120fps, the image will look sharp, it'll look smooth, but the moment you move your camera you'll realize it doesn't feel like 120fps

[dapper light]

Upscaling only works flawlessly for video

You can never fake low latency on interactive media

That 120fps of fake frames gonna feel like you're using a 10 bucks wireless mouse

[unborn condor]

so never use fsr3 then, got it

[molten sleet]

frame gen works great if you're going from like ~50fps to higher frame rates. it's just that if you're fps is too low to begin with it doesn't really make for a good playing experience

just don't expect to turn 14fps into 140 and have it feel great

[latent pasture]

its hard to describe in words u kinda have to try it

[molten sleet]

everybody has a different tolerance for latency, so you should definitely try it for yourself and see what works best for you

[latent pasture]

the image looks smooth but u dont get the responsiveness of actual high fps

[unborn condor]

if i wanted to do 1080p ultra with raytracing i'd probably get 60fps max, but basically what you're saying is you wouldn't even bother with FSR3 in that instance?

[molten sleet]

just try cloud gaming with slow internet

[noble ermine]

Yes, lol, latency only becomes a problem if a regular system either is running suboptimally for some reason (be it software or hardware) or the network causes it, the latency inside a single properly programmed PC is negligible. One great example of this is frame generation itself, everyone who's trying these games with lots of fake frames is reporting the same thing, noticeable latency, the game runs at low frame rate, the fake frames are not responsive, they have no new data, therefore they are part of the latency gap causing latency, latency is a discrete effect.

[latent pasture]

fging 60 to 120 probably isnt too bad

[molten sleet]

if you're starting with 60fps, and the game isn't a competitive twitch shooter, it should feel fine

[latent pasture]

my standards are so low that i can tolerate fging 30 to 60

[solar moat]

WOW

[unborn condor]

fair enough

does turning on RGB affect frame rate? or no?

[solar moat]

yes

[noble ermine]

Nope

[latent pasture]

i assume its cyberpunk which isnt rly a superfast fps

[solar moat]

RGB software makes fps worse

[unborn condor]

add me to that bottom answer bc neither have i

[molten sleet]

in my experience, it works best in single player games

[noble ermine]

If your pc can't handle it.

[solar moat]

my pc pre dates RGB

[molten sleet]

real and true

[noble ermine]

Yeah, you get an FPS ding.

[molten sleet]

computer from before color tv's

[solar moat]

at least i got more fps in forngith then 13400F+4060

[noble ermine]

Noice

[latent pasture]

on hwubs latest test xtx gets 55fps on cyberpunk rt ultra w quality fsr on 1440p (so its 1706x960)
if theyre dropping to 1080p ultra then fging that it probably wont be too bad

[noble ermine]

You know what i take upscaling over frame generation any day, at least every frame has new data, they should have focused on it.

[molten sleet]

real talk the rgb wont impact frames if your devices have their own memory to store it on, but a lot of rgb software and especially reaction lighting can cause unecessary performance overhead that you realistically wont notice unless you're comparing directly

[cedar hollow]

Idk how people live with RGB, static color is best

those rainbow sharts look so tacky

[molten sleet]

the neat part about rgb is having options

[solar moat]

i dont have any

[noble ermine]

Bc you can make your ARGB and RGB static if it's controllable.

[cedar hollow]

Yeah but its just like a set and forget thing

[unborn condor]

well bc my monitor supports full RGB range so

[cedar hollow]

just set it to a static color instead of having rainbow barf everywhere

looks like an eyesore

[noble ermine]

You know rgb is one of the smallest color spaces in use, right?

[latent pasture]

0 0 255 blue for maximum anti sleep effect

[solar moat]

YES

[molten sleet]

there's other options too tho. my keyboard used to have a bonfire-esque animation that matched my case and aio

[unborn condor]

I can't pretend to understand what that means

[latent pasture]

fuck that circadian rythm

[cedar hollow]

i do 255 0 0 24/7

[molten sleet]

reminding me i have to work in the morning

[solar moat]

https://tenor.com/bROqY.gif

[cedar hollow]

wtf

[noble ermine]

Basically RGB can represent x% of the real color space, other standards represent more %

[cedar hollow]

okay i need new airpods max

[noble ermine]

And other restricted color spaces represent less

[azure topaz]

yes

[cedar hollow]

yes

[gaunt cargo]

i have a bluetooth headset and when the mic works the sound quality is bad

[molten sleet]

is not being able to turn them off as big of an issue as people make it seem

[azure topaz]

do you turn off normal airpods?

[noble ermine]

Can you make it any redder?

[cedar hollow]

not really no, it turns itself off in like 15 mins if you leave it alone

[azure topaz]

more paint yeah

[gaunt cargo]

anything that i can do to fix it

[azure topaz]

buy a new headset or a dedicated microphone

[molten sleet]

you put it in the case and they disconnect

[noble ermine]

Dude, that's the reddest lit PC i've ever seen, it's bizarrely red

[azure topaz]

but if you leave them out they also just disconnect

[gaunt cargo]

i ave a bluetooth headset

[cedar hollow]

normal airpods have a charging case

the airpods max don't have this which sucks

[azure topaz]

its red

[cedar hollow]

in fact the airpods max case is one of the most blunderous pieces of engineering to exist

[azure topaz]

i love my computer

its very fast

[noble ermine]

Wait, it is literally red? Like red paint?

[cedar hollow]

mine isnt

how did u make urs fast

[azure topaz]

some of the case is painted red

[azure topaz]

needs more red

[molten sleet]

if you take one out it disconnects until the sensor is convered and if you take out both they stay connected but you can turn them off

[cedar hollow]

oh thats it

[noble ermine]

Noice, i always get full black, it's so bland.

[cedar hollow]

if i make red = speed?

[molten sleet]

is it the price

[dapper light]

Fun fact: Red light causes nightmares and hallucinations on long exposures if there's no other light sources

[azure topaz]

red means fast

[cedar hollow]

nah not even

[azure topaz]

thank god

i need friends bro

[cedar hollow]

i paid $225 for my airpods max used and theyre such good headphones i just have this issue now that they just stop working 20% of the time

[noble ermine]

True, i hate apple but the airpods max case is a work of art.

[azure topaz]

ram overclock

[cedar hollow]

xmp my goat

[noble ermine]

Btw white is way worse for your mental health.

It breaks the circadian rythm

[azure topaz]

nuhuh

[noble ermine]

Puts you in an endless day phase if you use it continuously.

[molten sleet]

my circadia has no rythm

[cedar hollow]

sweat

[azure topaz]

yes

[molten sleet]

i take however much melatonin i need to sleep then set how many alarms it takes to wake up

[cedar hollow]

ill kms before i ever mess with ram overclocking

[azure topaz]

krill issue

[noble ermine]

Melatonin doesn't work for me 😦 i need medicine

[solar moat]

XMP xtrame mediocre profile

[noble ermine]

It sux

[azure topaz]

jokes on you, ram overclocking basically is kmsing

same exact feeling

[cedar hollow]

i draw the limit at cpu pbo

call me vanilla

[azure topaz]

my entire computer is not stock™️

[cedar hollow]

oh shit i need to change out my cpu tmrw

[solar moat]

OC TO MOON

[cedar hollow]

thanks for reminding me

[azure topaz]

[cedar hollow]

overclock your psu

[molten sleet]

it's 50/50 for me atp. it used to be so bad i was taking like 80mg to fall asleep nightly but i got it back under control. but ever since daylight savings my sleep schedule has been getting worse again

[azure topaz]

if replacing the fan wiht a better one counts im gonna do that soon

while i have a great unit its older and the stock fan is some ballbearing junk

[molten sleet]

im avoiding taking more than necessary but regardless of how tired i get my brain wont shut down

[cedar hollow]

overclock your ssd

[noble ermine]

That's still good, i take 100mg of quetiapine (not sure it's written like this) literally makes me fall to the ground if i don't lie down, that works.

[azure topaz]

pcie bclk 100.1, effectively overclocking my ssd by .1%

[cedar hollow]

aint that motherboard

[solar moat]

bclk used for ALL

[azure topaz]

the bclk influences the base clock of every device on the system as it is the base clock lol

pcie baseclock is specifically for PCIE based devices, so, nvme counts

[cedar hollow]

overclock your bios chip

[solar moat]

i did on my mothers pc

[noble ermine]

Can you OC the base clock and use a lower multiplier?

[azure topaz]

replace with bigger capacity

[azure topaz]

this wwould be stupid, but yes

[solar moat]

yes

[azure topaz]

it is useful in very very few scenarios and extreme overclocking is all of them

[noble ermine]

Interesting.

[solar moat]

only worth it going for world recoerd

[azure topaz]

yes

[solar moat]

not for daily

bclk is to much of pain

[noble ermine]

True, but may become relevant if we need higher internal bandwidths for some reason.

[azure topaz]

most/all pcie devices will start to freak out past 103 bclk

your ssds will start dying extremely quickly past 103

gpus dont like past 103 but are generally much tolerable to it

[noble ermine]

IT KILLS SSDs?

[solar moat]

lets asy i not stable at 46ratio bt 45 works try 45 wiw 101bclk for 45mhz more

[azure topaz]

bro its the base clock of your system

[solar moat]

can

[azure topaz]

it is the timer in which everything is influenced, you can assume speeding it up wwill affect SOMETHING

[noble ermine]

Damn, base clock is the OG of the clocks.

[azure topaz]

your cpu, ram, pcie, etc clock are all based off that

thats how ratios exist, 43*100(base clock speed)

=4.3ghz

[noble ermine]

Even sata?

[solar moat]

my cpu agt 42*100mhz

[solar moat]

yes sicne chipset is runs of bclk

[azure topaz]

sata uses pcie lanes just like everything else

[noble ermine]

Interesting.

[unborn condor]

i remember reading an article waaaaaaay back when about this guy kept burning through CPUs by overclocking them too much so he bought a much higher tier cpu and underclocked it to about the bottleneck limit of his GPU and he never had a problem with it

[azure topaz]

if he was "burning through cpus" he was overclocking incorrectly

[solar moat]

but why?

[azure topaz]

this is when you have to take an overall look at the process and think "why are they dying"

and then fix it

[unborn condor]

oh absolutely, but it's an incredibly interesting solution

[noble ermine]

So our computers are all bottlenecked because companies keep the base clock low instead of engineering for a high base clock that enables our processors to get closer to the tb/s they can actually pull, interesting.

[azure topaz]

so you dont spend exorbitant amounts of money

[solar moat]

?

[unborn condor]

does underclocking a CPU really extend the life of it?

[sleek ibex]

@azure topaz welp I've made a decision on a case for the LGA 1851 build

[noble ermine]

Btw most processors can read close to 2tb/s from cache.

[solar moat]

not realy

[azure topaz]

big nas?

[solar moat]

not mine

[azure topaz]

i was talking about this yesterday but computer lifespan is something to forget exists

for all intents and purposes every computer will be useless before the silicon degrades to no function

your gpu will be functionally useless long before it decays into a brick

there is silicon from the 80s functioning perfectly

[noble ermine]

The read speeds of L1 (if i'm not mistaken) cache are around that. It's so fast ram reads can't possibly overwhelm it

[solar moat]

and?

[azure topaz]

/ there are other things to worry about breaking (ex: storage) long before the actual processor

[thorn pewter]

My GPU pls hold on 😭🙏

[noble ermine]

And we all have bottlenecks because those read speeds don't translate to real performance because we can't possibly feed the processor enough data to supply it's maximum input due to bandwith limits.

[sleek ibex]

Well it's the case that Guilty has

[heady saffron]

if anyones awake, Im building my first pc but im running into an issue installing my gpu where it looks like the red devil 9070xt is the wrong way around to fit into the case

[solar moat]

L1 ment to get data with in like 1 or 2 clocks for a single core L2 is larger but not as fast L3 is for all cores and way larger

[heady saffron]

are the fans supposed to be pointing downwards? becaues thats the only way I can get it work

[azure topaz]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[noble ermine]

Sure, bud, but you're not getting my point, the point is that the processor could pull more data and the bus doesn't even come close to it.

[solar moat]

RUN pyprime as send score

[azure topaz]

i dont think i did pyprim

heres super pi

[solar moat]

speed

[azure topaz]

and uhhh 1b

[noble ermine]

No wonder your pc's red.

[azure topaz]

its fast

[noble ermine]

It truly is.

[azure topaz]

and cb23 for fun

[solar moat]

8.5 seconds SAD

for me

[noble ermine]

👏🏻

[solar moat]

i need better then stock 4790k

[azure topaz]

what chip?

[solar moat]

4790k

[azure topaz]

ah ah

[azure topaz]

and my 7900x3d absolutely annihilating my 13900ks cause it has AVX512

[solar moat]

ran a few tims 8.438s

[azure topaz]

ycrunch? or superpi

[solar moat]

super pi

[azure topaz]

ah ah nice nice

[solar moat]

y-cuncher

98.260s

need sleep

[azure topaz]

damn my hp240 wworkstation has a 450w 80+ platinum psu

and my dell actual server/workstation has a 425w 80+ gold

#scammed

[random gyro]

i assume dell wouldn’t lie about what PSU they are giving people

[sinful cobalt]

mini neutron bomb

[azure topaz]

and hp would? im confused

[random gyro]

well either of them

[azure topaz]

the point was that the dell is a higher class machine and has a worse rated power supply lol

just a silly

[random gyro]

i guess

[drifting geode]

guys my laptop reached a max of 101°C on my CPU what do i do

[azure topaz]

not much tbh

is it newer? like within 2 maybe 3 years

[random gyro]

fry an egg on it

[tidal trail]

@azure topaz what u think of music

[azure topaz]

seven

[tidal trail]

Valid

I say 8 cause he dropped some songs that he put on tt lol

[azure topaz]

lol

ugh fuck you warship

SWAP IZZO

[random gyro]

i didnt know hp made mugs, memory books, calanders and cards??

[fallen sky]

well IMAX has socks and postcards n hoodies

[frail delta]

I have a couple HP pens :)

[tidal trail]

LOLL

There’s def some filler on there but it was a enjoyable album

Kdot went crazy on good credit

[fallen sky]

what should i do with my old ryzen athlon desktop? its probably not able to power-on but maybe it wlll b a fun project to clean it up and get it runni\ng normally

[azure topaz]

yep

CARTI MY EVIL TWIINNN

[azure topaz]

ya itll have wlr effect

[sinful cobalt]

try cooking up a steak

[unreal meadow]

Hi guys

Is it okay to put intake fans on an aio

[sinful cobalt]

yes

[unreal meadow]

Would it still cool

[sinful cobalt]

yes

[unreal meadow]

Okay thanks

[sinful cobalt]

but make sure the intake direction is toward the radiator

[unreal meadow]

It sucks away from the radiator

[tidal trail]

Highkey

[unreal meadow]

Guys i installed new ram and i have a cpu debug light

[noble ermine]

It's probably doing memory training, first start?

[unreal meadow]

Yes

When i reinstalled my old ram it works fine and boots immediately

[blazing onyx]

ok, in simple terms, what is a DCP watchdog violation

[noble ermine]

Memory training, just wait and it'll end

[unreal meadow]

Overheating cpu

[azure topaz]

something is unstable

[noble ermine]

Unless the ram is not in working order.

[blazing onyx]

damn laptops. . .

[azure topaz]

probably not, its just a sign of general system instability

[unreal meadow]

I took it from another pc

[blazing onyx]

alright guess ill lower max temp to 85

[azure topaz]

that probably wont do anything

have you tried a windows reinstall?

[blazing onyx]

still will help my hands from sweating

[noble ermine]

Well, put it in, start the pc and wait a few minutes, larger memory tales longer.

[blazing onyx]

actually, better idea

how do i actually READ a minidump file

[unreal meadow]

Even with a cpu debug light?

[blazing onyx]

and/or where is it lmao

[noble ermine]

20 should make sure, if it doesn't become able to start after that the ram is either janked or has poor contact.

[unreal meadow]

Ah nvm it posts now

[azure topaz]

bro instead of chasing nothing id try a windows reinstall rather than trying to fix whats acctually going wrong in windows 😭

[noble ermine]

See, it was training, it probably turns the debug light on.

[azure topaz]

it does

[noble ermine]

Never noticed it before.

[unreal meadow]

But i put it in and out many times and restarted and tried with other RAM

[azure topaz]

am5 first boot sometimes takes up to 3 minutes

not 20 seconds, minutes yo

[noble ermine]

It probably finished training at some point.

[blazing onyx]

so your first idea, instead of seeing what the issue is, is to do the step that quite literally takes the longest and is the most disruptive

[unreal meadow]

Wait, it booted into the bios. I just continued and now it’s a black screen.

No debug light

[azure topaz]

youve been looking at this issue for like, weeks, a windows reinstall takes fucking 4 hours and that includes getting software back

[noble ermine]

Well, check the bios in the ram, it should state the ram.

[unreal meadow]

I does but i proceeded and now its a black screeb

[blazing onyx]

Tf do you mean weeks?? im not even talking about my damn gpu. im talking about my Laptop

[noble ermine]

Wait, you got a black screen IN THE BIOS?

[azure topaz]

the laptop that you were having issues with last week and i told you to ddu?

[blazing onyx]

also in what world does a windows install take 4 hours lmfao

[azure topaz]

my world..?

its not that hard to download things

[blazing onyx]

was an Entirely different error

[unreal meadow]

No i pressed leave bios and it didnt post but now i turned it off n restarted and it works fine now

[noble ermine]

Great, if it doesn't check the ram page in the bios itself, prehaps it doesn't have an internal clock stater.

[azure topaz]

an unstable computer is an unstable computer, past a certain point its worth it to just reinstall windows rather than spend hours researcching something

usually will fix most issues, if not, its a hardware problem

[blazing onyx]

the other error i was video tdr something because of windows trying to use my graphics card while its disabled

Now i have a DIFFERENT bluescreen that just happened

like, what is hard to understand about this

[azure topaz]

okay but youre not seeing my point i dont care that its different 😭

[tidal trail]

Quick question. Do I need thermal pads on both sides of my ram, swapping to new ram and it had dimms on both side

[noble ermine]

Just get your data out and reset, fr.

[blazing onyx]

nevermind, its like talking to a brick wall with you

[azure topaz]

a computer that is bluescreening is a computer that is bluescreening

[azure topaz]

no, you are the brick wall who refuses to try actual fixes when someone tries helping you, it took you like 30 minutes just to try a ddu when you were asking for help bro

[noble ermine]

Actually dimms don't actually need cooling at all, they do it mostly for looks, unless we're talking oc memory.

[blazing onyx]

reinstalling windows isnt an automatic magical fix for everything

[azure topaz]

it kind of is though... lol

[noble ermine]

It literally is unless you have a firmware issue.

[tidal trail]

Hm ok so I should be fine with one side having it and one side not

[azure topaz]

if its not a hardware problem, its a wwindows problem, if something is fucked up in windows, reinstalling it fixes it.

[blazing onyx]

If you think it is then i feel bad for anyone in this server you have tried to help

[noble ermine]

Sure but if there are chips on both you should put on both.

Just for balance.

[tidal trail]

Shoot my current thermal pads are too thick

[noble ermine]

Too thick is tough.

[tidal trail]

If I were to put two

[noble ermine]

Too wide we cut, too thick is complex.

[tidal trail]

I might order thinner but that puts my pc on service for a day or two

[noble ermine]

Two?

[azure topaz]

😭 okay man, other people here would advise you the same thing

[tidal trail]

Yes two pads

[noble ermine]

Buddy, use it the way it is, buy the pads, put them in later, a couple of days aren't a problem if you're not planning on OCing them.

[blazing onyx]

"oh hey an error that we dont know the actual cause of, however we can find that cause my looking at dump files, lets just reinstall windows instead and hope it fixes the problem"

[tidal trail]

It’s just doing it for the looks lol

[blazing onyx]

like, you see how dumb that sounds

[azure topaz]

[tidal trail]

That then brings up another problem what thickness do I get…

[azure topaz]

okay man

[blazing onyx]

why reinstall windows when we can actually LOOK at whats causing the problem to begin with

[noble ermine]

True but makes the status of the pc "in service" instead of a maintenance timeout until you get the pads.

[azure topaz]

the issue is that the problem is very generic, and there are not very many people who have the skills to read a minidump and actually tell whats going wrong

[noble ermine]

Because sometimes it isn't worth it.

[azure topaz]

so rather than chasing leads that dont exist/are a wild goosechase with a million causes

its easier to just, reinstall windows because that will fix it

[limpid ivy]

agree for me at least if I cannot solve it within an hour then I am nuking the installation without question.

[blazing onyx]

the minidump files, the files specifically made to show the exact cause of the problem at hand

[azure topaz]

the files that you dont fucking know how to even open let alone read bro

[blazing onyx]

and instead, you just want to do a generic ass solution that might not even be the problem

[blazing onyx]

thats why i asked how to read them

[azure topaz]

a generic solution that has never not worked if it wasnt a hardware or pre-packed driver problem 😭

[noble ermine]

Seconded, over an hour spent on critical software troubleshooting is an absolute waste of time if you can quickly reinstall safely.

[tidal trail]

Got it got it, the thickness of my current ones is 1.5 so I gotta get .75 thickness right?

[azure topaz]

if it takes days of research, or hours of research may as well spend that time doing something you know is going to work

it is literally that simple

[blazing onyx]

actual brick wall, my god

[noble ermine]

You should use the same thickness and model on both sides, if 1.5 makes the other side touch the shield it's 0.75

[azure topaz]

😭

[blazing onyx]

ok so its just laziness

[azure topaz]

what more do you want from me bro you got like 4 people agreeing with me

[tidal trail]

Gotcha hopefully it’s a available thickness

[azure topaz]

yeah totally

we're all just a whole bunch of lazy people who dont want to spend time fixing anything

[blazing onyx]

instead of finding the issue, whats causing it, or how to fix it, you just decide to reinstall windows, hope it works, and deal with issues later

[azure topaz]

because the issue is not worth fixing manually

[noble ermine]

Ain't nobody got time to teach you such an obscure and complex skill, google it or stop wasting everyone's time including your own.

[azure topaz]

why do you want to take more time to do the same thing

[blazing onyx]

so it actually gets f i x e d

[azure topaz]

perhaps even, the same thing but worse

[noble ermine]

Don't forget they're kinda squishy.

[azure topaz]

that is the fucking thing here yo, it gets fixed either way

[noble ermine]

So you have some tolerance.

[tidal trail]

Yea the closest they have is either .5 or 1.0

[azure topaz]

if there is a file meseed up somewhere thats needs repairing, a windows install will fix it

if there is something that needs to be reinstalled, a windows reinstall will fix it

[noble ermine]

I'm preety sure dimms use 1.0 usually.

[limpid ivy]

Also a solution I was using alot when my moms work had me working with them for a year. If it got bad enough but I used it wayy too often lol.

[tidal trail]

Gotcha I’ll get that then

[azure topaz]

if it takes more than an hour its generally not worth chasing the fix for

[noble ermine]

I mean, try getting a 1mm shim or at least check with a ruler

[blazing onyx]

directly after saying windows takes 4 hours to install

[azure topaz]

because more times than not it takes longer to find and apply the fix than just quickly doing a windows reinstall

[azure topaz]

in the worst case <3

brother i can get my computer from no os to playing games with my friends in about an hour

[blazing onyx]

4 hours for windows, what is the worst case here? windows 11 on a 5000 rpm hard drive? lmfao

[noble ermine]

Windows doesn't (usually) take 4h to install and the time you spend resetting windows is at least sure to fix the problem

[azure topaz]

that is what worst means lol

[blazing onyx]

fair enough lmao

[azure topaz]

i also said including programs

so also factoring slow internet it could take a while i get it

but if thats not a factor

its not a factor

[blazing onyx]

thats fair i guess

[last hemlock]

from a floopy disk

[blazing onyx]

oh god

[noble ermine]

I think it would take longer

[azure topaz]

i also think it would take longer LOL

[tidal trail]

Any specific brand I should get for thermal pads on Amazon?

[noble ermine]

Way longer, even for win 10

[azure topaz]

i think it would take longer just to do the action of swapping between all like 2 million floppies it would take up

like just the action of "please put disk 4 into the reader"

[blazing onyx]

eh whatever, that particular error only happened once so ill just leave it for now

[noble ermine]

Don't get phase change pads, get regular pads with high conductivity (>10)

[blazing onyx]

happens again anytime soon ill actually look into it

[azure topaz]

also probably fine, if its not a persistent issue its prolly just a fluke

i thought this was a more persistent issue like more than once

[blazing onyx]

first times its ever happened on this laptop at least

only bluescreens i ever get are the video TDR timeouts lmao

[azure topaz]

i figure youve owned it for at least a bit so

[noble ermine]

Just check the pad's specs for conductivity and don't buy crazy chinese brands with no reviews.

[tidal trail]

Gotcha

[blazing onyx]

since last june

[azure topaz]

is it on the manufacturer windows version?

[tidal trail]

Thermalright has some but it’s a big sheet and I already hate messing with thermal pads…

[blazing onyx]

no thats just the video tdr timeouts

[blazing onyx]

yeah, havent reinstalled anything

[noble ermine]

Btw there's this crazy pcm pad that replaces good thermal paste and you never have to change it (good for pcs you never intend to swap the CPU of)

[blazing onyx]

the only actual change i did to windows was going into registries and disabling all the copilot bullshit

[azure topaz]

i mean yeah if you end up with more persistent bluescreens its probably worth it to back things up and do it over anyways

[azure topaz]

the method

i do a lot of shit to my windows install but none of them are stupid fuckin debloat scripts

[blazing onyx]

me looking at the NPU on task manager being 0% usage at all times

[azure topaz]

no microsoft account, no one drive, no anaylitics, no preinstalled programs

[blazing onyx]

lmfao

[tidal trail]

Or should I get .5 thickness and stack it:….

[azure topaz]

or just run them with no heatsink

its ram it doesnt matter

[noble ermine]

Don't stack pads, each interface is less conductivity

[azure topaz]

is it ddr4? if its ddr4 thats even more of a reason not to care

[blazing onyx]

unless your overclocking THAT much, it should be fine without one

[tidal trail]

But I got these heatsinks for a reason I need da lookssss it’s ddr5

[azure topaz]

you can buy 1mm/1.5mm pads its no biggie

[noble ermine]

If you're gonna have the trouble to do it do it with the best performance, double interface, not triple.

[tidal trail]

Yea I’m just trying to find one that isn’t annoying

[azure topaz]

if your dimms are dual sided you should easily get away with 1mm pads

just get a big sheet and keep it around, 1mm is a common thickness to need

[blazing onyx]

Floppa how hard actually IS it to read dump files though? lmao

[noble ermine]

Yeah, seconded, as i said, they're squishy

[tidal trail]

Screw it I’ll get a big sheet and deal with cutting it

[unreal meadow]

Hi guys, what type of frames should I be expecting? If I play Fortnite on performance settings with a Ryzen 5 7500 F and a AMD RX 7800 XT

[azure topaz]

i have no idea, im sure someone doing actual windows development could with ease, or someone just smarter than me, but i odnt think its a common skilll lol

[noble ermine]

Yeah, man, always get the big sheet

[blazing onyx]

fair enough

[azure topaz]

kind of why i dont think trying to find a way to read them would end up any good

[blazing onyx]

i do need to figure out these tdr timeouts, shits getting annoying when i go between classes

[noble ermine]

It's cheaper, never goes bad if properly stored and you can cut it to size for ANY cooling need what you got covers.

[azure topaz]

anything in the bios about the gpu? or naw

[azure topaz]

yeah exactly

[blazing onyx]

idk, havent actually opened the bios on this laptop like, at all lmao

[azure topaz]

just cut it out and leave it in a shelf at the top of your closet in the bag it came in

[blazing onyx]

havent had a reason too 🤣

[noble ermine]

Yeah, should be fresh enough, sealed bag if moisture is an issue

[azure topaz]

usually they come in sealed bags so

[tidal trail]

Yea sadly there’s not any that’s 120 long so I think I’m going to have to get two sheets worth and use a small chunk to cover the rest

[azure topaz]

i got some generic thermalright OEM pads and theyre nice and in a bag

[noble ermine]

Yeah, even the manufacturers usually use more than one pad for dimms.

Just not stacked, never stacked

[azure topaz]

yeah, 1 for each set of chips on either side of the dimm

someitmes theyre weird and mega long but you see that on DDR5, not DDR4

because DDR5 has the power delivery on dimm

[blazing onyx]

i also need to figure out what is up with these xfx cards

[tidal trail]

2 sheets of 200mm x 100 screw it

[noble ermine]

No, more than that, sometimes they don't have the big pads so they put in split pads, it's not an issue, most people never even notice.

[azure topaz]

yeah it doesnt matter

interface is interface

[noble ermine]

Just put the seam over empty space and it's ok.

[tidal trail]

Ok thank yall ill just stick with my old ram until the new pads arrive

[noble ermine]

In fact cutting precise quadrilateral shapes that cover each chip works just as well, what matters is the chips interfacing with the shield.

[tidal trail]

Don’t feel like taking them apparent anyways

[noble ermine]

I hate disassembling those.

[noble ermine]

Dimms with screws are nice

[azure topaz]

lol those are aftermarket

[noble ermine]

Most have none.

[azure topaz]

those didnt either lol

[noble ermine]

I guessed.

Nice shields.

[azure topaz]

performance computer

[noble ermine]

Do they make those with rgb?

Like no joke.

Argb*

[azure topaz]

probably not as effective, these are actually waterblocks lol

[noble ermine]

Oh

How are those water blocks?

[gusty wagon]

Those look like you accidentally dripped paint all over them and tried to make into a ram sandwich

[azure topaz]

lol yeah it took some cleaning when i was done putting them togehter 💀

[gusty wagon]

Use rubbery alcohol

[azure topaz]

yes i know

[noble ermine]

Buddy, where's the H2O?

[azure topaz]

so the top bit has a place to screw on the real block of the block

[noble ermine]

Oh

[noble ermine]

Ah, i see, they're a multi shield array

Nice

[azure topaz]

so if there was an rgb version it would make that part of it worse but im sure you could find something aftermarket that has rgb yeah

[noble ermine]

Man, honestly, makes no difference, just costs more, we can stick rgb into anything.

[azure topaz]

makes a difference if you actually need the dimm cooling lol

[noble ermine]

No, you can have the exact same cooler with a couple of ARGB strips embedded, it's not that hard.

A header here, a couple of LEDs there and voila

I really liked this design, seems to catch the dimms well

Could be improved, ofc, but it is really nice.

[azure topaz]

the brand of heatsinks/waterblock i have is pretty terrible yes, there are other brands that are similar looking that perform and look better

[noble ermine]

Interesting, but honestly that seems like enough to stabilize ram

[azure topaz]

i can keep a good temperature until i go above like 1.76 volts

well, more like 1.7 ill say

[noble ermine]

Oh, you're overvolting it, yeah, that's hardcore

[azure topaz]

yeah i do actually need the cooling i didnt do it for no reason

ram overcloc

[noble ermine]

I mean you could just run tem with insane XPG profiles...

Makes them hot too.

I don't consider it actual oc.

[barren glen]

Guys how do j make my website appear on google searches

[azure topaz]

XMP you mean? yeah, but manually overclocking is way faster, XMP is very lax on all the timings

[noble ermine]

Yeah, unless the ram is pre-checked for XMP and has the exact profiles embedded, then it's instant

[tidal trail]

Should I even try to oc on my gskill flare x5 ram?

[azure topaz]

probably not

[tidal trail]

I got them as a upgrade since it was 64gb for $90 lol

[azure topaz]

if youre asking that, no

[tidal trail]

lol you’re right

[azure topaz]

but if you want to learn sure go ahead its fun

[tidal trail]

I kinda do but I’ve attempted it before on drr4 and it’s so tedious

[azure topaz]

but like as a general recommendation for a better computer? no

yes sir

my computer has been tested for 24 hours straight before i call it stable :)

[tidal trail]

😭

[noble ermine]

It's hardly worth it, honestly, RAM runs better without high overvolted OCs.

[tidal trail]

Yea ima chill on it

Most tuning I’ll do is fan curves, pbo, and undervolting my gpu

[azure topaz]

dub

[tidal trail]

2/3 so far, just need to get to undervolting my gpu

[noble ermine]

Does anyone know if vengeance shields are actually any good at cooling?

[azure topaz]

everything in my computer is at just about the edge of what i can get away with

[azure topaz]

assume no stock memory heatspreader is good.

[tidal trail]

Heck yea

[azure topaz]

they are all universally pretty bad

[noble ermine]

I got 5200 rgb vengeance but i want to oc it to at least 6400

[azure topaz]

especially if you have rgb

[tidal trail]

Floppa u listen to uk underground?

[noble ermine]

I mean, there is vengeance with the same shield that runs at 6400 out of the box.

[azure topaz]

the extra power draw of those LEDs really increases the dimm temperature

[tidal trail]

I’m not insanely tapped in but I like alot of the artist coming up

[noble ermine]

That's a joke, right?

[azure topaz]

i mean yes, temps arent that much of an issue

[azure topaz]

no lol, stock heatsinks when i had the RGB on, the SPD temp increased ~10c

it seems like a joke but when you realise the LEDs on those dimms draw as much as the ic's themself...

[noble ermine]

That's insane

Why would they use such leds?

[azure topaz]

i mean like, gamers

[noble ermine]

It's just a ram stick

[tidal trail]

Oh yea is it normal for one gpu fan to be spinning on under load?

[noble ermine]

Like jesus, do you need that much luminosity?

[azure topaz]

okay well at least like 50% of the ic's wattage, at least a signficiant amount, you get it

[tidal trail]

Just got discord fire fox and Spotify up but only one fan is spinning which I find kinda odd

[azure topaz]

i mean it is odd but some gpus are like that yea

what fan is it, curious

im guessing far right

[tidal trail]

The most left?

[azure topaz]

okay so the core fan, yes that makes sense

[tidal trail]

Probably right since mines flipped lol

[noble ermine]

If it ramps up and the rest start is ok, just means the middle fan has a steeper curve.

[azure topaz]

you havea fancy card with 3 fan controllers, goated

[tidal trail]

Wait no?

The pcie is on the other side

[azure topaz]

okay so the far right which also makes sense cause thats where the heat goes on the heatsink

wow physics

still a fancy card

[tidal trail]

Ahh ok lol was overthinking it

[noble ermine]

Fan controllers are internal to the GPUs, if it can have different curves on each it means it has individual control lanes.

It is good.

[tidal trail]

Love my pc but I can’t wait to swap aio just because 😭

[azure topaz]

i like my computer

i need to delid my cpu

[tidal trail]

Woah that sound scary

[azure topaz]

and get a board with 1dpc

[noble ermine]

I just got mine but idk if i like it bc the PSU is late

[tidal trail]

Like 😮‍💨😮‍💨

Tubing is a bit concerning but it fits…

[azure topaz]

when you need more cooling performance but you already have a good cooler there is really only one way..

[sleek ibex]

Eh I don't fuck with DD though that's just me

[azure topaz]

oh i wont do DD

fuck that shit i like my memory working

[tidal trail]

Lmao

[noble ermine]

Boy, that's a TIGHT case, in both senses

[tidal trail]

I love it tho it was so annoying but so rewarding to build

[azure topaz]

delidding, getting rid of the indium based solder and replacing it with conductonaut makes the thermal interface to the ihs both thinner and more effective

[sleek ibex]

Which is a surprise to some considering most of the builds I do

[noble ermine]

Are you using high flow high pressure fans or something? It seems quite restrictive

[tidal trail]

Yea using the best fans possible, air slimmer and t30

[azure topaz]

so even delidding, then just setting the IHS back on top of the chip (without ANY seal or anything, just plop it) still works to drop temps by an easy 15c

[noble ermine]

Noice

[tidal trail]

I don’t go over 80c usually on mh wilds and cyberpunk

Gpu max 75c

[azure topaz]

and a contact frame is dope and ensures your ihs is in the right spot as well

[noble ermine]

I got this 8 heatpipe air cooler, i never go past 70, on any load without OC.

[azure topaz]

uhhhh

in day to day use my chip does not get warm

in benchmarking for scores it gets very warm

[noble ermine]

Is it OCed?

[azure topaz]

yes lol

[noble ermine]

Nice, it makes sense then.

Mine never got hot because i kept it at stock, it's really nice how low your averages can be with a high watt cooler on a low watt CPU

[azure topaz]

i mean if im just playing games or really doing anyhting i do on my computer it wont really go above like 70 so

[noble ermine]

Nice, and that's with an OC, really nice.

[azure topaz]

360 aio

and i know how to overclock

[sleek ibex]

The two only reasons I do the builds I do are primarily for these reasons:

1. I simply can
2. It looks cool

[azure topaz]

fair fair, i just like doing the most to my hardware

i dailied a shunted 3080 for a long ass time

[noble ermine]

Floppa should open a custom OC build business, you'd be flappa then, flappin all the bills of the profits, buddy, honestly, 70 average with that tight a system in heavy gaming loads with OC is like truly impressive.

[supple mist]

What's the differences between PBO stock and enhanced on a 9800x3d?

[azure topaz]

the 3080's best score, top 66 out of all lhr 3080s in timespy

[noble ermine]

Without custom voltage controller or with?

[azure topaz]

without, stock cooling

[noble ermine]

NOICE

[sinful cobalt]

PBO eats up to 140w max

9800x3d stock is like 120w

[supple mist]

I came from a 13700k, nothing scares me in terms of cpu power draw

[noble ermine]

Cya guys, it's 5:20 here

[sinful cobalt]

yea any1 coming from intel’s 13th n 14th gen wont be scared, 253w stock i9

[azure topaz]

not stock configuration>

[azure topaz]

🫡

[sleek ibex]

Yeh though more than half of folks in the custom WC communities will say the same thing. It's become more of a hobby and even an art form nowadays. It's also seeing a decent rise of new members too

[azure topaz]

oc is returning

[sleek ibex]

I believe it since those communities overlap a good bit

As with SFF and Modding

[swift moss]

Imagine naming your fucking kernel xnu 😭😭

"X is not Unix"

[elder quarry]

Why is this?

[azure topaz]

well youre making the thickness of the thermal interface go down

and youre replacing the thermal interface with something thats just flat out better in the first place

(liquid metal)

its not neccessary to glue the ihs back on (and again, this adds thickness)

so you can just leave it, the ILM/your contact frame will hold it in place

[elder quarry]

I’d just use the pressure of the cooler if it’s fine

[azure topaz]

exactly

[iron glen]

my pc isnt supposed to sound like a washing machine right

[random gyro]

i just had a schizo moment where i thought something was unplugged from my PC

[elder quarry]

Depends

[peak knot]

yeah LEDs dont affect performance that much

[glass star]

Is this a normal sound to be hearing?

[peak knot]

depending on how your AIO is mounted yes

[glass star]

It’s weird because it just started occurring

[mighty cosmos]

Can u show ur radiator

[glass star]

It came along with some weird buzzing noise in my headphones

I plugged in a usb webcam and all this started happening including my pc bluescreening

[mighty cosmos]

Hmm

Did u try unplugging the cam and uninstalling the driver of the cam? Did u check device manager for any faults?

[glass star]

Also this weird on and off screeching sound

[red light]

Here's what I made an autograph on my tablet!

[trim flicker]

Ew ai

[mighty cosmos]

What??

[glass star]

😭

[mighty cosmos]

I’m trying to help here

[glass star]

Nah your good

Lmao

[mighty cosmos]

Disconnect the USB webcam immediately and observe whether the AIO returns to normal operation.
• Inspect your USB ports and cables for any visible damage or loose connections.
• Review your Windows Event Viewer logs around the blue screen time to see if any USB or hardware errors are reported.
• Update your system BIOS and all drivers (especially USB and any AIO-related software).
• If possible, test the webcam on another computer to rule out a defective device.
• If the problem persists, consider contacting the AIO manufacturer’s support or checking for warranty options, as this behavior might indicate an impending cooler failure.

Addressing these points should help pinpoint whether it’s a faulty USB device, a power issue, or a sign of failing cooler hardware.

Try this if u can

[trim flicker]

Yeah those ideas suck ass

update ur bios for noise?

[glass star]

Acting like I haven’t already unplugged the usb

[mental hawk]

Im thinking of getting an android auto headunit for the car, any suggestions on what one as theres loads

[trim flicker]

its just either coil whine or fan resonance

[elder quarry]

I haven’t read it all, but usb doesn’t make noise

[mighty cosmos]

It could be a powersurge from a defective cam that messed up his ports

Thats why

[latent pasture]

chatgpt ahh answer

[mighty cosmos]

But hey don’t take my advice

[glass star]

I mean the cam worked fine on my other pc and didn’t cause any issues

[mighty cosmos]

There is a possibility that if u aio was already a bit on the bad side and one lil surge could have made it worse

[trim flicker]

Its just a windows moment

[mighty cosmos]

I’m hearing his pump make weird noises aswell

Its not going to be long before its stops working

[trim flicker]

Usb power surges do not effect other components

because if it did youd turn ur board into a sophisticated paperweight

[mighty cosmos]

It could if the aio is connected to the motherboard

[trim flicker]

.

[fresh patrol]

hey yall, i’m trying to decide whether or not to upgrade. How much of a difference would I notice if I upgraded from a 2070 super to something like a 4060

[mighty cosmos]

And thats always the case

[trim flicker]

sigh

Its just windows having windows moments

the aio is fine

[kindred halo]

I am sorry but isn't 228W on a 420W PSU fucking ABSYMAL

[mighty cosmos]

Power irregularaties can make irregularities over ur ports

[quasi bough]

why is intel iGPU driver package being 830 MB in size???

[glass star]

This really faint scratching noise is really what’s scaring me

[mighty cosmos]

If thats sounds fine to u?

[trim flicker]

The wonders of nzxt aios

[mighty cosmos]

It doesn’t thats windows alright 😂😂😂

[latent pasture]

on avg its around like +10% perf
unless u really really want frame gen try to get something better imo

[glass star]

And there’s very minimal load on the cpu

[mighty cosmos]

Mine never sounded like that

[trim flicker]

The bluescreens were windows fault

[mighty cosmos]

Ofc

[trim flicker]

the aio is doing aio things

[latent pasture]

this is why we dont recommend nzxt aio
$300 aio that loses to $90 ones and that $210 difference gets u a 2 inch screen that u cant even fully chose what to show can afford you an entire 1440p monitor instead

[quasi bough]

i mean it's bigger than nvidia driver package

[trim flicker]

theres no cause, other than flaming people for buying the worst aio you possibly could get

[latent pasture]

yes

[glass star]

It’s a prebuilt built but ya

[mighty cosmos]

If my cooler would sound like that I’d def change it

[fresh patrol]

i’m just looking for an upgrade. Been using the 2070 super for 5 years pretty hard. So figured it was time to get an upgrade

[latent pasture]

well 4060 is too little of an upgrade

also whats wrong with using it for 5 years
there are people on the same pc for 15 years

[graceful girder]

@steel umbra https://www.takealot.com/patriot-viper-steel-ddr4-16gb-2x8gb-3600mhz-kit/PLID94927739
any recs at about the same price?

[latent pasture]

if anything be proud that u got a lot of value out of it

[mighty cosmos]

With the current prices its not worth it

[fresh patrol]

i play gtav with quite a bit of mods. I only get lime 60 fps

[latent pasture]

and 4060 will get you 66 fps
aim for something better

[mighty cosmos]

Jup

[fresh patrol]

so I want to upgrade to something better. Have any suggestions? I have a Ryzen 5 7600x and 32gb of DDR5 ram

[mighty cosmos]

4070ti

It depends on what resolution u play aswell

[glass star]

Yea man idk it just definitely doesn’t seem normal especially the fact that it wasn’t happening a few days ago

[fresh patrol]

I play 1080p

[mighty cosmos]

When in doubt change it would be my approach 😂

[spiral nova]

Hey guys I am trying to unlock the bootloader of a redmi device but I am facing some issues, can anyone help me?

[fresh patrol]

not looking to spend like 1,000 dollars either. Looking to spend like $600-$700

[mighty cosmos]

Well if u play on 1080 look for a second hand 2080super or maybe like a amd 6600xt or a 3060ti

That would be okay

But choosing a card with more then 12gb would be advisable if u want to play future games

[glass star]

Yea that would be cool but I don’t got money to just go out and buy a new cpu cooler lol

[mighty cosmos]

Damn

I get that

Thats why I use aircoolers

[fresh patrol]

would that be a sizeable difference? going from a 2070 super to a 2080 super?

[mighty cosmos]

Cheaper and less prone to faults

[mighty cosmos]

I have a 2080super in my second build

And its still playing all my games just fine

[mighty cosmos]

Its a big jump in performance

[shy schooner]

do i buy this, sorry if someone responded already and i didint see it

[glass star]

Is this a possibility?

[latent pasture]

still no

[shy schooner]

current phone samsung galaxy a6

[latent pasture]

its marginally better than 4060
congrats, youll get +11% instead of 10%

[mighty cosmos]

11% is maybe what he’s looking for?

U can’t presume a bigger jump if u don’t want to pay a premium

[latent pasture]

theyre the kind of guy who is unsatisfied with 60fps, you think theyll be fine with 67 fps?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/695582978092564530/1225737690201456671/laughing-cat-ezgif.com-resize.gif

[mighty cosmos]

My 2080 super still provides good fps in games like cyberpunk even

[latent pasture]

@fresh patrol will you be fine with spending allat money (that u dont have a lot of apparently) to turn ur 60fps to 67

[mighty cosmos]

So why wouldn’t it help with gya 😂😂

Sorry we are talking more like 120-150 fps

Ewo check youtube 2080super 1080p benchmarks

You’ll see its a bigger jump then u may think

[latent pasture]

they have a 2070 super

[tidal geyser]

no

[mighty cosmos]

Thats a bench of 2080super in gta ultra settings

Would u be ok with these kinds of fps?

[latent pasture]

and? the 2070 super already gets 90% of that

[sleek ibex]

[latent pasture]

is english not your primary language

[mighty cosmos]

He’s saying he has 60 ?

[fresh patrol]

i get around 60-70fps rn with like high settings and graphics n textures mods

[tidal geyser]

that is a on device issue then

most people who make videos like that tend to have a CLEAN computer

[latent pasture]

and "upgrading" to 2080super wont improve that much too bc it still has 8gb vram

[mighty cosmos]

I have those fps’s with mine

[tidal geyser]

anyways a rtx 3070 would be miles better

but the best would be something like a rx 7800 xt or rx 9070 xt

[sleek ibex]

Same gen GPU upgrades never makes sense

[tidal geyser]

up to what cpu he has

[latent pasture]

what fps you get with ur 2080 super is irrelevant because 2070super will just be 90% of that
10% is too little of an upgrade to spend an entire new gpu on especially for a guy who expressed that they dont have a lot of money

[mighty cosmos]

Thats what I said but he is on a budget

[tidal geyser]

so not worth it to go 3050 6GB to 3090

[mighty cosmos]

Thats his choice

[latent pasture]

thats even more fucking reason to get something better than a 10% upgrade

[mighty cosmos]

What kind of bump he wants

[latent pasture]

imagine spending all ur money that u dont have a lot of to go from 60 to 66 fucking fps

[mighty cosmos]

Omg he is not 😂😂

[latent pasture]

he is

[mighty cosmos]

Nope

I have a 2080super and a 3080ti

[tidal geyser]

only

[latent pasture]

theyre not gonna go from 60fps to 140fps

[mighty cosmos]

For my kids

[latent pasture]

its the same generation gpu
with the same vram

[tidal geyser]

weak, i have a 7900 XTX, rtx 2080, HAD rtx 3060 and so on and so forth

[mighty cosmos]

And a 4080 on my build

I’m telling u the 2080s is doing just dine

[tidal geyser]

i got a better gpu for raster

[mighty cosmos]

Fine*

[tidal geyser]

so is my rtx 2070 in my laptop

[kindred halo]

@tidal geyser I am sorry but you have to suffer this stupidity with me
Said friend I told you about, who was using an R5 1600 with a GT 730 and IED 420W PSU (228W on 12V line) just told me that he wanted to use the remaining 20 euros after buying a 1050ti on WAR THUNDER 💔

[thin plover]

you know the guy is using graphics mods making the game harder to run right?...

[kindred halo]

I told him to either keep it or buy a better drive

[latent pasture]

2080 super is fine for you
is it fine for them to buy a whole new gpu with money they barely have to get a 10% upgrade over their 2070 super?

[inland perch]

everyday i spend,i wonder hwo things wouldve been different if sim wouldve kept his BUSH💔💔

[kindred halo]

But he wants to spend it on war thunder 💔

[latent pasture]

notice that you are not them

[kindred halo]

I am going to bash my skull in he's so stupid 💔💔💔

[tidal geyser]

well its his money

[kindred halo]

He complains about how shit the game runs on his PC yet refuses to upgrade right

[mighty cosmos]

What i’m saying its his choice

[kindred halo]

And whenever he crashes or frame drops, guess who he'll complain too lol

[latent pasture]

the high fps ur getting in base game is irrelevant
if ur getting 140 fps itll be in the 120-130s too if u had a 2070 super instead on the same pc

[mighty cosmos]

He needs to choose whats best for him a small upgrade or a bigger upgrade save or spend what u have now

[latent pasture]

you seem to be under the mistake that theyre gonna go from 60fps (because theyre playing with mods) to 140fps (on your unmodded base game)

[mighty cosmos]

To be honest even a cpu upgrade could give more fps on that res

[latent pasture]

lmfao they have a 7600x

[mighty cosmos]

Also a cheaper optiok

[tidal geyser]

that is what they have

[latent pasture]

the only upgrades they can make is 7800x3d or 9800x3d

[mighty cosmos]

7600x is a 6core

[tidal geyser]

nope

[tidal geyser]

cool?

[fresh patrol]

i was just looking for some recommendations, ian think it was gone be this big of a thing

[tidal geyser]

a i9 14900k is 8 core
*during gaming

[latent pasture]

and i want you to look at the prices of these lmao

[mighty cosmos]

5700x3d?

[tidal geyser]

what is your budget

[tidal geyser]

WHAT????????

[mighty cosmos]

Older gen but with 3dcache

😂😂

[fresh patrol]

I’d hope to spend between like 400-700 but can go over

[sleek ibex]

[tidal geyser]

its worse then the 7600x in gaming overall

[tidal geyser]

and you already have the entire build, but ONLY looking for a gpu upgrade?

[fresh patrol]

the pcs already completely built and has been being used for the last like year. Just looking to get a new GPU and swap them out basically

[wicked dew]

whats the best panel that isn’t OLED

[copper swallow]

If any of you are NAS nerds then hmu here https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1350403400122105896

[tidal geyser]

are you in the US

[fresh patrol]

yea

[latent pasture]

new market is shite rn
try to score a used 3080/6800xt or something

[tidal geyser]

OLEDs do not burn in anymore really

[tidal geyser]

tbh i might wanna wait a month or two and look for a 9070 XT

[wicked dew]

just the one i seen is £570 and my friend dont wanna spend that

[mellow shadow]

Gimme hex codes

[mighty cosmos]

Nope

[latent pasture]

there are some 7800xts are $650 but thats pushing it
and they used to be common at 450 lmao

[tidal geyser]

so why not ask best monitor on a budget

[fresh patrol]

friend recommended a 7900xtx or 6750xt

[tidal geyser]

source?

[tidal geyser]

7900 XTX is like 900$+

[latent pasture]

yes lol
in cache dependent games it only MATCHES ryzen 7000 non x3d
but in non cache dependent games, its last gen AND slashed clock speed kill it

[sweet igloo]

guess the gpu

[fresh patrol]

yea that’s what someone else said. Just wait and try to get a 9070

[wicked dew]

he just wants 1440p and 240hz

[mellow shadow]

An old one?

[tidal geyser]

are you in the US

[wicked dew]

is IPS or VA down one from OLED

Uk

[tidal geyser]

IPS

[raven sluice]

what about TN

[tidal geyser]

sad

[sweet igloo]

yes

[latent pasture]

@fresh patrol do u live near any micro center

[fresh patrol]

what would be the difference if I got a 7900xtx compared to now

[tidal geyser]

yeah forgot you used pound earlier

[sleek ibex]

I'd avoid TN if at all possible

[fresh patrol]

nope, closest is like hours away

[tidal geyser]

XTX is faster in raster but 9070 xt is WAY faster in RT and has a way better upscaler

[raven sluice]

isn't it AMD's top of the line GPU?

[wicked dew]

okay whats a solid choice for a 1440p ips 240hz

[latent pasture]

1. can your psu handle it
2. its around +93% perf so double ig

[raven sluice]

I have a 3ds with a TN top screen, it's fine

[fresh patrol]

pretty sure it can

[mighty cosmos]

Which is mostly open world games right?

[raven sluice]

yeah IPS would've been better

[fresh patrol]

I for some reason wanna say my PC has like an 800watt power supply or something

[tidal geyser]

find out

[fresh patrol]

i’m like 90% sure it’s 800w

[latent pasture]

3ds is small enough that the way you hold it and the angles you view it the downside of TN isnt much noticeable
not the case with a monitor

[sleek ibex]

Comparing apples to apricots

[tidal geyser]

find out now

[mighty cosmos]

You have to be hundred

[raven sluice]

still, I'd have preferred one with ips on both screens

[latent pasture]

i say this as an asian cheepskate guy who has 2 tn monitors bc it was free/dirt cheap
even i dont like it

[tidal geyser]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/LvLdnQ/koorui-27e3qk-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-27e3qk

[raven sluice]

I don't understand why Nintendo manufactured and approved something with two different display technologies, on the same device

[tidal geyser]

i do

its due to availability

[mighty cosmos]

I just bought a g8 oddysey oled its a beauty

[raven sluice]

yeah but this diminishes the value of their products and their company image

[fresh patrol]

yea it’s 800w

[raven sluice]

are they fine with that?

[tidal geyser]

yes

[tidal geyser]

what model

[mighty cosmos]

I even feel like its better then my lg c3 in image quality

[raven sluice]

yeah I guess I don't even care

I can't even tell the difference anyway

thank god

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27111796

[fresh patrol]

doesn’t have like any branding on it

[tidal geyser]

pic

[fresh patrol]

why does it matter the brand?

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cute-gif-7254742

[tidal geyser]

it does not

i am trying to find the product

i have seen too many PSUs said to be like 1KW but then turn out to be utter trash

[iron glen]

cuz sim is trying to find what psu you have

[iron glen]

i could buy one for 20 bucks :P

[tidal geyser]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/preview?pli=1#gid=1973454078

[fresh patrol]

i can’t figure it out, and I can’t take it out

both sides are black and unmarked, only thing is a like barcode on the back

[tidal geyser]

is this a prebuilt computer

[fresh patrol]

yea

the PSU is from a pre built

and gpu

everything else is new

[tidal geyser]

info is probs on the top

[steep pawn]

yo is it rlly that bad if i get a 9070xt from a scalper for 1200$ cad

cus i think with tax its basically 1100$

[fresh patrol]

yea not doing all that. Going off it being an 800w like 80 Gold PSU

[tidal geyser]

but F tier

[tidal geyser]

mmmmm yes

[steep pawn]

as in bad to buy or go for it

[tidal geyser]

both

[fresh patrol]

i really don’t know PCs like that so I don’t understand

[steep pawn]

i mean ill try talking him down to at minimum 1150 so he breaks even

he seems desperate he alr dropped the price

from 1300

[tidal geyser]

the powersupply can be built badly and have a high risk to kill EVERY single part in the pc or burn down your house

[fresh patrol]

i mean it’s been going for 5 years and has never gave me a single issue

[tidal geyser]

aka why i am trying to find out so i can try and find it in this list over good and bad PSUs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/preview?pli=1#gid=1973454078

[broken saffron]

iit should be lowr

[tidal geyser]

the 9070 xt should use about 1.5-2X more power then your current gpu i do believe

[broken saffron]

canada omputers had for like 900 or something

not anymore ig

[fresh patrol]

how much would a power supply be?

[tidal geyser]

up to you but a good enough 850w should be like 100-120

[steep pawn]

tax bro

[broken saffron]

i know someone got for like 870?

[steep pawn]

even at 900 tax makes it 1020

there was tax cuts recently idk if they applied then

[fresh patrol]

should I only get a 9070 xt if I can get it for $600?

[broken saffron]

still better than 1200

what province are you in

[steep pawn]

toronto bro

[broken saffron]

bro is cooked

[steep pawn]

i aint getting shit

[tidal geyser]

naa it might not go that low for a while but even at 700$ its pretty ok

[broken saffron]

two two my vert croski

[steep pawn]

please dont

[broken saffron]

LMAO

@steep pawn is it actually a thing

[glass star]

Anyone know what could be causing this?

Pretty much every single person has told me something different

[inland perch]

whats wrong?

[glass star]

The noise

And the weird screeching noise

It also causes some weird static in my headphones

[steep pawn]

is the 5070ti a good deal? at msrp or nah

[glass star]

Eh

[steep pawn]

i found a source that can help me find stock

[steep pawn]

then again i have a 1440p monitor atm

i think im fine with a 9070xt atm

[glass star]

Yea it’s not a huge different in performance

[lusty bough]

Can someone tell me if this eBay listing for a steam deck oled 512gb is legit https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405649582254?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=kg76yu1esno&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=huq-iwsutta&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[tidal geyser]

the non OLED goes for what 300 in CeX

O NOOOO its one of these people

[tidal geyser]

that guy is a asshole DO NOT buy from him

[lusty bough]

How come?

[tidal geyser]

tis a scalper

[lusty bough]

On steam a new oled deck is £480

Ohhh

So he just buys loads of steam decks for cheap and up charges ?

[tidal geyser]

he has 4 steam deck OLEDs

[lusty bough]

It says quantity of 2 for the 512gb so he has 5 😭🙏

[tidal geyser]

yeah no he did something funky to get them

[lusty bough]

I assume this listing is the exact same thing https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126790754112?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=EIjvpDzBSqu&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=huq-iwsutta&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[tidal geyser]

27 sold

[lusty bough]

They probably been sat in the box a year and warranty’s run out on them lol

[tidal geyser]

na the steam deck OLED is just too popular

[lusty bough]

Should I buy directly from steam?

[tidal geyser]

yes

[lusty bough]

Okay thanks

Atleast I know I will have the 1 year warranty and everything is brand new

[tidal geyser]

you can even buy a steam deck for 300 but the old model from CeX
https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail?id=SHGPVSD64GBB&categoryName=HANDHELD-GAMING-PCS&superCatName=COMPUTING&title=&queryID=5EC6330FC3B2924495A7382C03966115&position=4

[warm slate]

I've not yet got a gpu for my system, I was planning to get a 7700xt, 7800xt, 7900xt or a 9070xt (finance) but, should I just get a 4060 instead?

[lusty bough]

I was looking to get the oled model because I have enough for it and I’m assuming it’s better

[kindred halo]

Cex machine

[tidal geyser]

by a lot

[kindred halo]

4060 isn't that great, what's your budget?

[lusty bough]

Would buying a used oled model be a better option or should I buy new?

[tidal geyser]

i would not bother with it

how much does it say the deck OLED is on steam

[lusty bough]

£479 on steam

[stoic nova]

all those amd gpus you listed are 1440p bangers

7900xt pushing 4k

and you ask about getting one of the worst value cards one can buy with a 4060

[latent pasture]

why is the range so large
u go from a 4060 to a thing that performs triple of 4060