tech-chat-1

[warm sage]

some benchmarks it does

some it wont always

[solid crown]

on average it doesnt in gaming

its about 23% faster according to techpowerup

wouldnt buy it anyway cause $550 is way too much for it

[warm sage]

2 different benchmarks

[solid crown]

dont use random youtubers benchmarks

that probably came out before the 9070 release too lol

[warm sage]

the one that says the 9070 is doing better is from a week ago

the other is 4 days ago

[cedar hollow]

this fortnite kid tried telling me his 9070 is faster than my gpu because 90 is a newer generation than 50

[warm sage]

💀

[cedar hollow]

hihger number better!!

[brazen bobcat]

Guys how cooked is this combo 😭

AMD Ryzen 5 8400F
RTX 4060 8 GB

( In Canada land, the Ryzen 5 7600 is $100 more, and the RX 7600XT is $400 more )

[solid crown]

hardware unboxed shows the 9070 as being 23% faster in cyberpunk

[cosmic stratus]

its fine...

[warm sage]

ill just say the 9070 gets prob like 7 more fps

[brazen bobcat]

the "..." is concerning

[solid crown]

going on hardware unboxed video, it gets 41 fps more

idk if you just bought a 7800xt and are trying to cope or what

even at 4K its 13 fps ahead

[warm sage]

im just looking at new tech bc i've been living under a rock for the past month

als bc 9070 and 9070 xt is now available

[solid crown]

I recommend looking at more professional sources vs random people

[warm sage]

but yes i did get a 7800xt not too long ago and its holding up like a champ

i dont think i need anything more higher tech than what i got rn

[solid crown]

nah you dont

[warm sage]

except more ram and better cpu

[solid crown]

what ram and cpu do you have

[warm sage]

maybe a better cpu coller as well

16GB ddr4 3200mt/s and 5 5600g overclocked to 4.4 ghz

[solid crown]

yeah you could def upgrade that

[warm sage]

this is what im hoping to get in the future

[solid crown]

honestly you could just get another kit of the same ram cause x3d doesnt benefit from ram as much, also consider the A620 PRO SE for $30 USD

I cooled the 5700x3d with a single tower cooler just fine though

[warm sage]

i only have 2 dimm slots

[random gyro]

Its fine

Id recommend a 3060 12gb and ryzen 5 7600 personally

[solid crown]

ah gotcha, but yeah idk if its worth spending that much on ddr4 but if you like to OC it or whatever sure

[oblique terrace]

Anyone remember having to burn updates to disk to install on an older PC?

[warm sage]

still 33% faster than my current ddr4

[crystal pond]

trying to buy a gpu at msrp is like looking for the holy grail

[random gyro]

Afaik the 3060 12gb doesnt have alot less only like 10-20 percent less preformance than the rtx 4060 but the 4gb more vram definitely makes up for it.

[solid crown]

thats not gonna equate to 33% performance increase though, and your mobo/cpu might not even run it that high

so you might end up buying it but only able to run 3600 anyway

[warm sage]

im sure its fine with a b550m

[lethal bay]

yeah that ram kit is not gonna run the XMP with that cpu lmfao

[random gyro]

The rtx 4060 is just not worth it.

[lethal bay]

you’d be lucky to run 4000 stable lmao

[random gyro]

Id rather either get the 3060 12gb or get like a 7700xt

[brazen bobcat]

i just said the 7600 is $100 more in here

[lethal bay]

Most Zen 3 chips max at 1900 FCLK, meaning your ram would be at 3800

[warm sage]

i couldnt really bother that much for ddr4 its just the fact that i want more actually ram

[random gyro]

Ohhh btw i read it as 8400g not 8400f my bad

[brazen bobcat]

yea

[random gyro]

8400f is fine but the 4060 is not

@brazen bobcat what is price difference between 4060 and 3060 12gb

The 8gb 4060 is diabolical in my oppinion

[brazen bobcat]

quite a bit'

[warm sage]

im usually using 80% of my ramm all the time

[brazen bobcat]

and the b580 is out of stock and $200 more here

[brazen bobcat]

i dont need it to play tripple a, Just like small indie games

[random gyro]

Either way stick with 3060 12gb in my oppinion

If its quite a bit cheaper you can invest the difference into other parts.

[brazen bobcat]

its not

[lethal bay]

right so just buy more capacity but at like 3600MT/s

[solid island]

The 8gb vram

[random gyro]

Oh you just said the 4060 and 3060 difference is huge ?

[brazen bobcat]

its big enought to not be good fort he budget

remember the 30 and 40 series is drying up

[random gyro]

What is the difference in the fake dollars again

[solid crown]

hardware unboxed showed a 2.1% increase in speed on the 5800x3d going from 3200-3800, so 2.1% every 600mhz, calculating that for the 4800mt, if you got it to run it would at best get you a 5.6% increase

[inland perch]

zzzzz

[frosty oriole]

It should still be able to do so. If not, you can also CPU encode.

[random gyro]

Aud cad and nzd are fake dollars you cant change my mind

[solid crown]

but you could pick up a 32gb kit of 3200 for like $30 vs 90 for the 4800

[brazen bobcat]

wow, thanks. its like 50 ish last time i checked

[lethal bay]

Except that cpu will not, and never will, run 4800 in 1:1 mode

[inland canopy]

What country is that bro

[solid crown]

yeah I know but just for fun

[solid crown]

US (used)

[random gyro]

Are you sure its only 30usd

[lethal bay]

You’re not even guaranteed to be able to run 3800 1:1

[solid crown]

agreed

[frosty oriole]

Ah, my favourite currency: USED$.

[inland canopy]

Makes enough sense
I paid 20$ for one 16gb ddr4 sodimm stick

[solid island]

I currently have a 7400F for my cpu

[random gyro]

Cuz here the 3060 12gb and the 4060 8gb is almost a 200 dollar price difference

[brazen bobcat]

well that ewent up a bit

[oblique terrace]

We are being used when we use it

[brazen bobcat]

$400 more for a 12 gb 3060

what even is the canadian gpu market

[limpid dune]

I bought a 4080S in canada for 1200 canadian rubles in december. now the price has doubled for the same card 😭

[frosty oriole]

I think you still be able to do either.

[limpid dune]

I might actually resell it

[solid crown]

cause pcpartpicker only shows new pricing and both of those cards are out of stock (arent being made anymore)

[random gyro]

WHAT

[warm sage]

whatever tf a b550m-vh is what my mobo is

[solid crown]

so whoever is selling them can charge whatever they want

[brazen bobcat]

the 4060 isnt mate

[random gyro]

Oh

[solid crown]

4060 still has stopped production though

[random gyro]

Get the 4060 then

[brazen bobcat]

yeah

[solid island]

I tried, just usuing my 3070 for encoding, and my cpu was at 100% constantly while in games

[brazen bobcat]

i did the calculations. thats literally the least cooked pricing for what i need

[random gyro]

@brazen bobcat how much is a 7700xt tho

[brazen bobcat]

youre not gonna like this

sorted by LOWEST price

[warm sage]

i got a 7800xt for $560

including tax

[random gyro]

You could also get a 6750xt

@warm sage how much is a 6750xt

[brazen bobcat]

nope

whoops wrong image

theyre all out of stock

[frosty oriole]

What software are you using?

[random gyro]

@brazen bobcat how much is a 6750x5

[solid island]

streamlabs

[random gyro]

@brazen bobcat how much is a 6750xt

Bro my discord tripping

[frosty oriole]

I'd use OBS for now. There's quite a few reasons to not use StreamLabs.

[random gyro]

Oh well go and get the 4060 then

[brazen bobcat]

1313 CAD

[random gyro]

Oh wait i forgot about the 7600xt

[frosty oriole]

I'm about to fall asleep, but I can help you with your OBS settings tomorrow.

[brazen bobcat]

besides the 4060 does what I need it to and has better raytracing for blender, the 1 time per month i use it

[random gyro]

Its got the same preformance twice the vram and should be cheaper

[solid island]

how much different is it?

[random gyro]

Ew no

What is this trudeau ahh pricing

[frosty oriole]

Pretty similar, last I checked.

[brazen bobcat]

i really dont need THAT powerful of a card, especially for keeping it under 1300 CAD.
The 4060 is genuinely the better budget card for 400 here in cad i guess

[random gyro]

Still worth it+ you can probably find it cheaper if you searched enough cuz ppp doesnt always show nest prices

Get the 7600xt please its gonna last longer

Its got twice the vram and 5% more pref on average.

Hell of a deal in my oppinion

[brazen bobcat]

youre still viewing this from the perspective that im going to be playing any AAA games on this

[random gyro]

You dont need the vram now you will later.

Buy once cry once.

[limber nacelle]

ad107 is still in production afaik

[brazen bobcat]

then i save up for the b580 when its at msrp in canada when i need to

and then ill have an extra gpu for any other build i might make

like the b580 at msrp is 359 CAD.
When I need to get one, i will

i literally only really use small VRAM ammounts anyway

[solid crown]

interesting ig it makes sense

[solid crown]

youre gonna buy the 4060 and then sell it and buy a b580?

[random gyro]

Yep if you ever change your mind about AAA or want to do video editing the more vram is gonna help

[limber nacelle]

might as well get something like a 2060super atp

anything cheap that isn't being scalped as shit to hold yourself over

[random gyro]

He means the b580 motherboard

[brazen bobcat]

nah. just get another gpu

like i really dont need that much.

[random gyro]

You want to get a b580 your fucking killing me.

Why have 2 cards in a machine when you dont use vms.

[brazen bobcat]

BRUH

you are not getting what i am saying at all

[solid crown]

just use the 4060 and get a a310 for the streaming stuff man

[brazen bobcat]

yeah like thats what i was planning

[solid crown]

i mean a b580 and a310 are worlds apart but ok

[limber nacelle]

this is good if you're not planning on getting an intel cpu

and you want to stream

[brazen bobcat]

oh wait hold on wait wtf

brain malfunction there holdup

nah im only gonna have one card in at a time

ill just upgrade from the 4060 when or IF i need to

[limber nacelle]

i do think intel cpu is better though because you won't have to fight drivers

[half acorn]

Hey guys I'm doing a massive switch from an Intel e5620 dual processor to an intel i5 7th Gen

What should I expect while gaming in Mc

[brazen bobcat]

intel drivers are super unoptimized atm tho right

[limber nacelle]

i wouldn't recommend getting something kaby but that is a big diff

if you can get something 8th gen that would be better

[half acorn]

I'm swapping out my pc for a hp prodesk or smth

[limber nacelle]

unless you're fine with using linux

[half acorn]

Uh ill use Win10

[limber nacelle]

if you can find something with an 8th gen or higher cpu is better

[limber nacelle]

it's dropping security updates in less than a year

[half acorn]

I don't rlly think I'll find something

[limber nacelle]

i wouldn't continue to use windows 10 past that date

[half acorn]

The guy I gone too Dosent have much pcs for me to swap with

[half acorn]

Should I use windows 11?

[limber nacelle]

that's the issue

[solid crown]

not sure if going from 8 threads to 4 threads is worth it

[limber nacelle]

kabylake isn't supported for windows 11

[half acorn]

Damn

I tried using win 11 tiny on my thinkstation c20

[limber nacelle]

no it's definitely a lot slower than a kaby lake cpu

[half acorn]

Kept saying Rufus Dosent work in legacy mode or smth

[half acorn]

It's worth it from 2.4 to 3.8

[solid crown]

yeah but id want to switch to a cpu with hyperthreading at least

[limber nacelle]

frequency isn't comprable across generations

[half acorn]

I'm limited man

[limber nacelle]

it doesn't account for IPC diff

[limber nacelle]

i'm guessing you're not from the states or EU?

[half acorn]

It's an hp prodesk pc I'm swapping with

[half acorn]

Egypt.

[limber nacelle]

yeah that's rough

[half acorn]

Mhm

Life's though when ur a kid and u wanna play Mc at high frames

[limber nacelle]

best of luck, i just can't recommend you buying something that won't be supported in less than a year

[half acorn]

I mean I can't rlly do anything about it

[solid crown]

technically you can make win 11 work on cpus that arent supported but

[limber nacelle]

i'd honestly switch to linux

[solid crown]

or that yeah

[half acorn]

Ennui technically the Intel i5 is still better and I can just use windows tiny 11 nosysreq

[desert finch]

What’s a good laptop I can get for a price around 400 cad ima put Linux on it btw

[limber nacelle]

it's not technically better, it's much faster

[limber nacelle]

i don't like those ISOs

[half acorn]

So the minecraft gaming performance will be worse

[limber nacelle]

i think you're a lot better off using linux

[limber nacelle]

nonono i'm saying it's not faster by technicality, it's straight up way faster

[half acorn]

Just say if it's good enough for Mc

All i car abt ngl

[limber nacelle]

it's more than fine for that

it's just literally the windows support

[half acorn]

So 400fps

[limber nacelle]

i can't gaurantee anything

[half acorn]

No opti

[limber nacelle]

you probably want a discrete gpu

[random gyro]

Guys is the coolermaster sillencio s600 any good

[half acorn]

I get 400 fps with optimizations a bunch on my pc rn

[random gyro]

I have bad news ( i am forced to give my brother my pc )
Bad news 2 is i get the exact same amount to spend on a new pc.

[limber nacelle]

???

[random gyro]

Rtx 3060 12gb ryzen 7600x 32gb 4800mhz ddr5 (questionable choice but the other options were much more expensive)

1000watt silverstone psu ( it was on sale and a really good deal )

Nzxt h710 flow.

[oblique terrace]

Can you get that media player on windows 11?

[random gyro]

Also btw i have a question can i get 2 different sticks of ddr5 and put them together

Or do i have to get the same kit

[random gyro]

Middle eastern mom.
The oldest gets best treatment.

[random gyro]

Or nah.

[oblique terrace]

You can buy it won't talk properly

Also must match speeds, did have to match on older PCs

But then again I'm running at 800mhz on a 25 year old XP PC

[true stirrup]

It always matched on older PCs as well
It just tunes down the faster stick to the slower ones speed

[random gyro]

Oh well i found a similarly priced 5200kit

[oblique terrace]

Not with RDimm...

[random gyro]

it would cost exactly the same as the 2 different 5600 sticks

[random gyro]

And since they wont talk properly i expect them to be slower anyways

[oblique terrace]

This is RDimm

[random gyro]

Old ram is so cool

Is this case acceptable or nah because it looks so good

My dad "stole" an office computer from work

It had an 8700k and 8gbs of ram

[oblique terrace]

1600x1200 @85hz

Dell Dimension 8100

[random gyro]

The 8gb was defective so we got 2 sticks of 8 instead of 2 sticks of 4

And i got a gt 1030

[random gyro]

Office pc.

8700 non k btw

My mistake

Yep.

It was in 2019 ish

[oblique terrace]

I have 32gigs of DDR3 1600mhz in my other PC and haven't had any issues

[random gyro]

2018-2019 around that time.

Most office computers are overpowered

[oblique terrace]

Then again it has 8 dimm slots

[oblique terrace]

Dell Studio XPS 7100
Slightly modified 😉

[random gyro]

Thats a fact

And the worst part is it in most companies sucks.

[oblique terrace]

Mine is a demon

[random gyro]

They dont repair defective pcs they just outright replace them with a newer model

Like the pc my dad got from his office just had a defective ram stick.

[oblique terrace]

Replaced the Board and one other stuff 😉

Might be rocking 1500watts

[random gyro]

Insanely wasteful

I love how corporate companies talk to us about e-waste as if they arent some of the biggest e-waste contributers.

[oblique terrace]

It wasn't a new/new board

My main is a mystery

[random gyro]

Ohh your computer has a weird fan humming noise nah fuck that heres a new computer.

What in the discordia thugshakers pmc is this

[oblique terrace]

I have 5 older PCs for sale

[frail topaz]

I am running on 2 hours of sleep

[long goblet]

the pentium 4 where you would have been better off getting a pentium 3.

[oblique terrace]

Still wouldn't make a difference (Quantum Bigfoot Hard Drive)

[long goblet]

in the before time, any hard drive that worked was a good drive.

the best you could do was either short-stroking a hard drive, or moving to a SAS drive.

[oblique terrace]

Except this one loud and slow as hell

[long goblet]

oh dear god. 5.25" hard drive.

[oblique terrace]

That and my DVD drive whistles like a tea kettle

[long goblet]

seek times must be insane

[random gyro]

Henry cavill is a pc gamer

[oblique terrace]

I haven't let my inner gamer out for awhile

Might be dead 🤣

[elder quarry]

I believe this because the majority of the population is using that alphabet. I can’t think of a way this will happen.

[little fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/king-von-stare-king-von-stare-gif-5096460164055963067

[random gyro]

On cheese i gotta beat the linus allegations

but where tf do i put the wipes and lotion

[verbal prawn]

what

did i just read

[cursive widget]

Right im being dumb as

I just took all my switches out my keyboard and gave it a deep clean

I put it back together everything is chilling, although, why is my left windows key not bringing up the menu buit my right one is now.

Like before my left windows key would bring up the menu and im ngl idk what the right one did, but now its swapped 🤣 😭

Idk if im going crazy but someone help me

[elder quarry]

What keeb is it

[cursive widget]

Ducky 3 one mini

[elder quarry]

try looking in the software or manual ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive widget]

Literally works fine just randomally swapped from one windows key to the other lol.. I mean it's not a huge issue but my muscle memory be going crazy

[cursive widget]

tried :/

[elder quarry]

Seems to be a normal windows key

https://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/One3-Mini

[elder quarry]

Many keebs have a left_win and right

Iirc they have different key codes

[cursive widget]

So, before my left windows key brought up the menu and my right did nothing.

Now my right brings up the menu and the left doesn't.. What I mean is how do I swap it back aha

[elder quarry]

That’s software related/possibly broken left key

The switch can be damaged, try swapping again

[cursive widget]

fixed lol thanks

It was a bent pin on the switch I just bent it back and its fine now

I do have another issue though that I can't figure out

For a long time now maybe 1-2 months ago my spacebar stopped working. I would have to literally smash the spacebar down for it to register. At the time I needed this keyboard to work so I just binded (space) to a different key.

Today when cleaning my keyboard I decided to swap the switch with a different one.. however it still doesn't work. There's no dirt.. switch works fine and its a new set of key caps.. What else can it be?

[thin oak]

this is the screen shot of my 18'' monitor or around that size, in my monitor the channel section is taking too much area, is there any way to hide that channel section?

[elder quarry]

The little connectors can be slightly broken

[elder quarry]

What os

[thin oak]

linux ubunut...

[elder quarry]

Linux

[elder quarry]

What window manager

Anyways sudo apt install scrot

[thin oak]

I do turn off the "show member list" which gave me more space but I think resizing or hiding the channel section would give me more area. can we hide the channel section?

[thin oak]

window manager? what is this?

[elder quarry]

Bind a key to scrot -s

[elder quarry]

Desktop environment

[thin oak]

gnome i think so, cuz I have installed gnome extensions

isn't gnome the only enviroment of ubunut?

[elder quarry]

#tech-chat-1 message #tech-chat-1 message do this

[elder quarry]

Nope, but doesn’t matter

[shrewd lance]

how big is the difference between the rx 9070 and the rx9070xt? i might build a new pc and i dont want to buy something thats not worth the money

[elder quarry]

9070 is not worth it

[elder quarry]

Go with 9070 xt if in stock ay msrp

[thin oak]

scrot: key was pressed, aborting shot
scrot: no image grabbed

[elder quarry]

scrot -s

?

[sick pollen]

why is aula f75 wind chime purple so damn hard to find

everything is out of stock...

[shrewd lance]

the difference in price is huge tho, 9070 is around 3700ron(807usd) and the 9070xt is around 6000ron (1310usd)

and that is the only one in stock for the xt

[obsidian urchin]

How much is the 7900xtx?

[limber nacelle]

9070 then

[mellow cairn]

The difference in RRP is very small, something is fucky

[rigid fjord]

this is on a 17" screen, which is probably the same size as you have

[junior valve]

10%

[rigid fjord]

the settings used for it to be like this @thin oak

[junior valve]

@rigid fjord should i hardline the bottom pc too ?

[rigid fjord]

are you using stand off's properly with that itx board?

[junior valve]

there r 4 standoffs , all of them lined up

[rigid fjord]

i'd soft tube it then on it's own loop separately

[junior valve]

this is a 19 x 25 board btw

weird form factor

[rigid fjord]

i'd also swap out the psu for smething better

[junior valve]

would it matter for a low power system?

[rigid fjord]

well it would keep the cables more uniform for you, and tbf a decent quality tier C psu would be more than enough without having to go for a higher wattage

[junior valve]

thats the best route i could go atm

[sleek ibex]

[junior valve]

@rigid fjord btw i got a better led diffuser as you said

[sleek ibex]

Which size for hard-line tubing?

12mm, 14mm, and 16mm are the most common

[harsh vector]

Is there a way to mitigate burn in chrome? The tabs, toolbar, etc. I can hide them automatically in firefox using a custom .css

[rigid fjord]

looks better for sure on the led side

[wraith bone]

what are those tiny fans on top of the mobo for ? why not on the ram ?

[junior valve]

you mean normal sized fans?

[tidal geyser]

unless its on 24/7 its not going to burn in unless your are doing something dumb

[rigid fjord]

@junior valve basically what i be doing when i'm done for a custom loop

i have an extra 240 and 280mm rad to go into it

[tidal geyser]

going to do XOC

[rigid fjord]

nah

[harsh vector]

It’s cumulative. So ig it’s better to not leave static

[rigid fjord]

no exotics going to be used

[tidal geyser]

cmon daily it to 5GHz

[harsh vector]

And Im a student so probably gonna be a long time

[rigid fjord]

that's doable on an aio/ general liquid cooling

[limber nacelle]

@sleek ibex oh yeah I forgot to ask earlier but it's normal for waterlevel to go down after you build your custom loop right?

cause trapped air escaping and whatnot

[tidal geyser]

there was a torture test done by one of the guys on hardware unboxed and it took like a almost a year with the max brightness and no real protection features to even notice it at all.

[limber nacelle]

I've been watching the waterlevel in my res slowly go down and I was getting worried but then I remembered hearing something like this

[tidal geyser]

once the liquid gets hot the co2 trapped in it becomes not trapped

but yeah so the air also goes

[sleek ibex]

Yes perfectly normal

[limber nacelle]

thank you!

yeah I was worried I was having a slow leak or something

[sleek ibex]

My Leakshield sometimes gives false alarms due to this

[harsh vector]

Why is it so hard to do in chrome though? For privacy and safety?

[limber nacelle]

ahhhh I want to invest in one of those at some point

they're really cool but kinda expensive

[tidal geyser]

i dono, chrome

but what do you need to do that can only be used on chrome

[harsh vector]

Nvidia super resolution

[plush wren]

bro doesnt have school

[harsh vector]

Wont work on firefox nightly

[random gyro]

Hey I’ve had to change my motherboard after my old one died and now I feel severely under qualified reconnecting everything back up.

Ive got my fans daisy chained into each other but I don’t know where they lead (didn’t build the pc) and I don’t know how to disconnect them to redo it. Any ideas?

[tidal geyser]

wut

the thingy to upscale youtube?

[harsh vector]

Works on all sites on chrome

[vivid pendant]

I got my Corsair RAM to mimic this gif I found years ago (almost)

[tidal geyser]

all video players?

anyways would you not just full screen that?

[harsh vector]

Yeah but I wont while doing school work

VSR doesnt work on any site in firefox nightly, just yt fullscreen

[tidal geyser]

do like me and get another laptop and use it as a portable display

[hoary agate]

Just kill me bruh 🥀

One motherboard supports this processor and its proprietary

I mean yeah it’s a Xeon phi but bruh

[harsh vector]

I have no space left on my table lol

[empty quartz]

Incorrect

Look for motherboard with lga 3647

[tidal geyser]

svlclga3647 socket

[hoary agate]

Project stupid has been reactivated

[rigid fjord]

tbf, i don't see the need in one especially with soft tubing

[sinful cobalt]

reactivated? which project stupid you talkin bout theres mtiple

[iron terrace]

would it be a problem if i pigtail the 3rd 1x8 on 7900 xtx ? With a good quality single rail 750w psu

[hoary agate]

I read somewhere lga 3647-1 is the only boards that support phis

[hoary agate]

Xeon phi

[tidal geyser]

no

[plush wren]

[iron terrace]

thatsa a relief, thanks a bunch

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27111796

[plush wren]

[tidal geyser]

xd

[plush wren]

3 more classes

[empty quartz]

Dont

The boards cost more than a used 3080

[plush wren]

lmaoo

[empty quartz]

Usually

[plush wren]

350-400?

[tidal geyser]

are the cores locked at 1.4GHz too

[sleek ibex]

Yeah it's pretty neat (especially the fill mode) though yeah I do agree that for most users it's a bit of an afterthought.

[empty quartz]

Yes

[tidal geyser]

no

they can boost

[hoary agate]

1.4 boost 1.6

[tidal geyser]

to a massive yeah 1.6

[empty quartz]

Either way

[hoary agate]

Yo what else is ma-

[empty quartz]

The cores are slow as fuck

[tidal geyser]

WHAT IN THE FFFFFFF Intel Xeon Phi processors do not currently support Virtualization. Intel is working with interested OEMs, customers, and the virtualization developer community in providing them with Virtualization feature at a later date.

[eternal cloak]

$25 for the CPU, between $250 and $600 for the motherboard

[tidal geyser]

it only has 36 pcie lanes

[sleek ibex]

This reservoir/pump combo it's on is from Aquacomputer's Ultitube Pro 150mm with D5 Next. At the time it was the smallest I had on hand that won't pose issues fitting

[empty quartz]

Its not meant for workstations

Never was

[tidal geyser]

its not even meant for any consumer

[eternal cloak]

Duh, it's a 68 core server CPU from 2016

[hoary agate]

Gatekeeping virtualization

[eternal cloak]

That was a lot back then lol

[empty quartz]

Why would you need virtualization on a server cpu

Those cpus were meant for massive data sets

[tidal geyser]

i have a x299 board with a 7940x

it has 44 and came out a year later

ofc the phi is meant for compute while x299 is for prosumers

[empty quartz]

Hence why they also had 4t per core

[eternal cloak]

Back then the 6700K was high-end lol
16 lanes max

[tidal geyser]

rip

[empty quartz]

@hoary agate you’re far better off getting an hedt system

Saves the headaches you get when dealing with server hardware

[tidal geyser]

look for companies trying to get rid of old hardware

as that is how i got my 7940x and a lot more fun stuff

some film studio that was changing out hardware, going from 1080 ti 7940x to mac

[glass scaffold]

Hey all, anyone got a good guide or source of how to bios flash/update? got my 5700x3d ordered for my b450 plus but looks like it’s a given I’ll need to update the bios

[empty quartz]

I kinda wanna get myself an x299 system for shits and giggles

[tidal geyser]

what brand motherboard

[hoary agate]

Minecraft on a phi 7250

[glass scaffold]

Msi

[hoary agate]

Recipe for disaster

[tidal geyser]

https://us.msi.com/support/technical_details/MB_BIOS_Update

[glass scaffold]

Appreciate it thank you

[empty quartz]

That really doesnt show anything that isnt obvious

[tidal geyser]

the game known to be VERY single core

[empty quartz]

@hoary agate put your money in the bank and save it

[tidal geyser]

eh tbf chunck generation is multicore but not if its a server without that special plugin

[empty quartz]

Dont waste it on shit that will cost you as much as a used gpu for the parts you’d need for it

[tidal geyser]

i would imgaine a 5700G would be faster for just about everything he would want to do

[empty quartz]

A 12100 would be aswell

[tidal geyser]

would mean you need a gpu for first setup

[empty quartz]

Force of habit to type 12100f

I meant the non f

[empty quartz]

What is he even wanting to do?

Spend all his money just to realize he fucked up, and is stuck with a glorified paperweight (by todays standards)

[gloomy sleet]

i need a second pc

[empty quartz]

Nuh uh

[gloomy sleet]

well third but still

[empty quartz]

Smh

[gloomy sleet]

i need one for my car

[empty quartz]

No you dont

[gloomy sleet]

might add a monitor on the back of the front seats

[empty quartz]

Are you trying to play minecraft mid lane change or smt 💀

[gloomy sleet]

i can 100% fit an itx pc in there

[empty quartz]

Or

[gloomy sleet]

nah when i’m parked up or something

[empty quartz]

Just get a laptop

[gloomy sleet]

nah

boring

[empty quartz]

Mini pc

[gloomy sleet]

i already have a laptop

[empty quartz]

Then use that

[rigid fjord]

minecraft on a 5600x

[empty quartz]

You also have to account for the e-waste gpu

That 7250 was paired with a 730

[rigid fjord]

you only account for that if they're using shaders, otherwise the gpu sleeps

[empty quartz]

The gpu makes a difference

[solar moat]

wait what settings?

[rigid fjord]

only for shaders, not for the game itself especially for vanilla

[harsh vector]

Is there like an app or emulator that supports 4k streaming on streaming platforms like netflix, disney+, max, and prime?

[steel umbra]

minecraft seems to have gotten some sort of optimization update for nvidia cards on vanilla, it atleast for me ran better on 3090 vs 6900 xt (before it broke)

[empty quartz]

No

[empty quartz]

Well

Its not like the 3090 is faster or anything

[rigid fjord]

i' dig the settings out

[steel umbra]

yes but on vanilla it’s much faster than the 6900 xt i’m getting a lot more fps

and less stutters

[cold skiff]

Which matters for Minecraft

Gotta have 800fps

[solar moat]

since if its only 16 chunk that bad

[steel umbra]

maybe it’s a 3090 thing? i don’t remember mc running that well with my 3080

[rigid fjord]

in game settings and java settings

[steel umbra]

somewhere since they switched to 64bit only

[solar moat]

ok wow that running slow

[kindred halo]

Sire you're running it on a flagship card, ofcourse it'd run better

3080 vs 3090 is one singular number but still a decent difference

[stiff nebula]

Is there a difference between (A, M, E, F) mobos for the 9800x3d?

[empty quartz]

@steel umbra hai kev

Or should i say kevin

[steel umbra]

but used to be stuttery 120fps (with a 3080) to mostly consistent 220fps? on my 3090 my rx 6900 xt is also stuttery at higher render distances

[empty quartz]

I will stealed you 6900xt

[steel umbra]

i solded my 6900 xt there nothin to steal now

[empty quartz]

:(

[steel umbra]

wym

[steel umbra]

if you want to steal i’d suggest waiting until i buy betterer equipment

[high elm]

(A)620(M)

X870(E)

i assume thats what hes tryna ask

[steel umbra]

chipset (A), micro atx [matx (M)]

[empty quartz]

Gimme 3090 :333

[steel umbra]

chipset (X), chipset (E)

[sinful cobalt]

M is for M atx
E is for E atx

atx is basically size
following I,M, (none is standard atx) and E is bigger atx

[steel umbra]

E can also stand for Extreme chipset version

[kindred halo]

There's lots for 450, practically a steal

[steel umbra]

i’ll do but you’ll have to pay me a 5090 back in a day

[kindred halo]

EVGA cards

[empty quartz]

No

Youll have to pay me

[sinful cobalt]

@high elm 240hz qhd excel n word document setup soon

[empty quartz]

Why does this box look soo fucking small compared to my hamd

[gloomy sleet]

damm

not even the turtle beach shifter

the shifter is actually microscopic though tbf

[empty quartz]

No

[sinful cobalt]

how much did it cost u

[gloomy sleet]

compared to other shifters it’s pretty small

[empty quartz]

My brother

[gloomy sleet]

£50 msrp so id guess £30?

[sinful cobalt]

it looks like the size of the wmmt shifter

[empty quartz]

It cost me my brother /j

[sinful cobalt]

good tra-

[gloomy sleet]

traded him in for £30 store credit

[empty quartz]

It was $90 cad before tax btw

[gloomy sleet]

damn

you got fucking scammed

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/add-point-100-mita-miside-mi-side-gif-16616136303267189076

[high elm]

im still waiting for my O11

[empty quartz]

Wdym?

[gloomy sleet]

i might get the moza sgp shifter

[sinful cobalt]

what even happened to ur previous o11

[high elm]

all my shit is still stuck on a bloody motherboard box

[gloomy sleet]

that’s like £50 that’s the new price

[high elm]

i gave it to a friend

[empty quartz]

It was open box

10% off

[sinful cobalt]

i wanna get the moza r3 set and maybe moza shifter idk

[zinc silo]

Hi, is the Samsung odyssey g55c (27 inch)a good choise for a budget qhd monitor? Looks like it has a decent panel for the price.

[gloomy sleet]

you could use this as a hammer lol

[sinful cobalt]

btw if possible i might try to fit the 9070xt yeston into a fractal terra

[high elm]

yk that card is bigger than my sakura right

[sinful cobalt]

but ngl te color options are trash

[gloomy sleet]

i got a r3 it’s pretty good 100% worth it

[sinful cobalt]

rly?

[high elm]

ya

every so slightly bigger

[sinful cobalt]

i havent gotten any info on te dimensions

[sinful cobalt]

cant wait to use this

my aunt finna have a field day using a qhd 240hz monitor wth a 7600X B580 ITX for excel and word documents

[rigid fjord]

it's never about running fast, it's about running stable, and any issues easily dealt with quickly

[sinful cobalt]

whoever made this and priced it like this can go fck themselves lmao

[steel umbra]

beware of fake listing on sites such as fbmp where a lot of the cheap cards are time waste they have been posted for more than few weeks

in various regions

[glad fog]

I used to live in the quarters so dont tell me nothing

[kindred halo]

Trusted vendor

They're a fairly popular PC store in the area

[steel umbra]

oh, vendors sell 3090s at 450? that’s great

that would usually be quite a bit more when they get some residual stcok from somewhere

but if buying from fbmp or such ideally check the date when the listing has been posted

because there is just no way a 4070 ti at $200 wouldn’t sell

in 6 weeks

in a big german city

for example

[sinful cobalt]

meanwhile in singapore, some guy is trynna sell a zotac dual 4070 super for 1k sgd lmao

that card is $850 b4 this gpu shir happened

even the 5070 is $909 being zotac solid

[steel umbra]

waste of time.

[sinful cobalt]

fake listing over there bad price listing over here

[high elm]

speak of the devil

[sinful cobalt]

who tf is selling a asuck dual 4060 for $500????

[sinful cobalt]

wtf

[steel umbra]

oh i accidentally screenshotted the same listing

[high elm]

it finally came

[sinful cobalt]

hopefully teh oled comes tmr earliest

[tidal geyser]

forgot a zero

[sinful cobalt]

if not i might have to trf to next week if they dont do night shipping

[steel umbra]

i see more of these fake listings in germany than legit high end cards tbh

two? three legit listings

[mellow shadow]

What are the odds they add crypto malware?

[sinful cobalt]

i wouldnt be surprised

[mellow shadow]

Do they ship to the US?

[steel umbra]

again fake

[mellow shadow]

Oh

[steel umbra]

look at the date of publishing

[mellow shadow]

💔💔💔

[steel umbra]

11 weeks? no way would sell that minute it’s posted

[mellow shadow]

I saw 3090 for £200

[thin plover]

too many germs

[sinful cobalt]

this isnt that bad

[steel umbra]

germs 😂

[steel umbra]

parts?

for parts that’s about right, fr selling working cards that’d be rare

[mellow shadow]

3090 for £200 neuron activation

[steel umbra]

mine

[steel umbra]

also i wonder for which use it this type of scam?

[thin plover]

money

[steel umbra]

do they sell your contact information or what

[sinful cobalt]

yes

they sell to scammers and adverts

[thin plover]

a meowing cat just walked into my room

I think it's hungry

[nimble marsh]

Do i buy STEELSERIES Apex 9 Mini, for around 65 usd

[steel umbra]

a lot of these listings don’t even respond to you, and most that do… they well ask you to do suspicious stuff that can potentially get you scammed

[steel umbra]

eat the cat and it will be not

25 hunger bars worth it

[steel umbra]

anyways, always watch for red flags

[nimble marsh]

Do i buy STEELSERIES Apex 9 Mini keyboard

[thin plover]

idk check YouTube reviews

[steel umbra]

affiliates xd

[sinful cobalt]

affiliates are not always bad

[steel umbra]

the top 20 results you get are

for that keyboard

not really talking about the cons

that the board is overpriced for what it is

[thin plover]

then get a comparison video

fatass cat

1 second before being headbutted

[steel umbra]

looks like new guinea pig

[broken perch]

Im kind of curious how much above msrp is going to become "standard". 20%, 15% ... 30%....

Just watched GN's latest video addressing this, and its depressing as shit if you were wanting to upgrade or buy new now.

[thin plover]

don't worry in a couple of years it'll reach msrp

😁

[broken perch]

If by a couple you mean 5+, then that's several years lol

Usualy people seeing how bad the 50 series are doing and their miserable launch, normally you would just buy the prior series, the 40. But even that is ridiculous bloated now. It's awful.

[steel umbra]

ye tech progress (accessibility) with gpus is slowing down

i wouldn’t blame just inflation

[broken perch]

I'd say it's like 20% politics, 50% scalpers/resources etc, and 30% inflation

[thin plover]

blame 5nail for creating massive demand

[steel umbra]

pretty much aibs and vendors are the scalpers now

[broken perch]

When I saw the msrp of the 5090, I legit thought it was a joke

Because I know that was at LEAST going up another 1k by vendors

[steel umbra]

5090 was relatively ok i mean titan rtx used to be very expensive

5080, 5070 is bad

[broken perch]

Not even close

[cosmic stratus]

titan X With 2500 msrp

[steel umbra]

wym? titans used to be more than 5090

[broken perch]

650-1000 was the highest back in the day

[hushed shale]

What is vmd in bios , is it a bad thing to have it turned off?

[broken perch]

With change of times, that is 1500$ max

[steel umbra]

and titans are no longer available, basicly replaced with the 90 series

but without the extra features that some people may find gimmicky

[broken perch]

They were never priced that high

[steel umbra]

literally search titan rtx msrp

[broken perch]

Literally look up the goat 1080ti which came out at $699 usd

[steel umbra]

5090 itself is ok, it’s just meh there is not lower bin gb202 dies at lower price point, essentially making the 5080 or 4090 the closest step down which is not gb202

[steel umbra]

there’s nothing higher than a 5090 at the current moment

[broken perch]

Ya don't say?

[steel umbra]

only mostly non consumer grade gpus

[broken perch]

There usualy isn't when nvidia comes out with their new lineup

[hallow cypress]

what's your old gpu and what are you willing to do on your computer?

[broken perch]

I can see the 5090 being 1500, not 2000. Simple as that

Not even counting the raised proces anywhere, just simply msrp.

[sinful cobalt]

4090 was already 1.6k

[cosmic stratus]

so far we have had more than 20% performance increases each year for the 90 series ever since the 4090

[hallow cypress]

5090 is 4 thousand dollars over here in australia

[cosmic stratus]

I think we're doing ok

[sinful cobalt]

why wouldnt they increase the next gen 90 card further if the 4090 basically couldnt be found like anywhere

[broken perch]

Not for a 35% markup for only 20% improvement

Then marked up again due to vendors raising prices

[cosmic stratus]

30%*

improvment

[sinful cobalt]

its sitting at 20-25% tbh

[broken perch]

^

Regardless, just crazy the prices now.

[steel umbra]

inflation, 3090 was $1500, 4090 was $1600, there’s a reason for 5090 not to be lower because that would bring lower margins the 5090s die is also larger, yes for a gen uplift it’s meh
i think the 9070 xt is worse than 5090 at their respectable categories

[hallow cypress]

the 4090 over in australia is 2.7k and the 5090 is 4k

thats a pretty big increase

[steel umbra]

30%.

[cosmic stratus]

100$ increase for 40-50% more performance doesnt sound bad for the 4090 (ignoring vendor inflated prices)

[broken perch]

The **90 series gpus are basically going to become workplace cards that can game amazingly. Whereas those below will be more for gamers.

[random gyro]

How did my friend get infected by petya isnt that 10 years old xd

[sinful cobalt]

here in singapore 4090 msrp was like 2.7k-3k
now 5090 msrp is 4.7k-5.2k

^depending on models, prices in sgd

search carosel? thats going to 7k sgd area

[broken perch]

Just sad for new people too. Like I said above the **90 series gpus will become pro models for workstations primarily. Especially at these prices.

[steel umbra]

the 9070 xt saw 18% performance uplift from 4070 super i think that’s worse than the 5090, also the 9070 xt has gotten ~18-25% perf uplift from 7800xt/7900gre (18% for gre) which is poor considering the price has increased by $50

and the 9070 non xt even worse

[broken perch]

Amd isn't trying to compete in the high end gpu market anymore. Their goal is mid range now.

[sinful cobalt]

9070 has worse fps/dollar compared to the xt which is bs

[broken perch]

They even said that

[steel umbra]

i would criticise the 9070/xt more than the 5090

[sinful cobalt]

nvidia: here u go budd, compete with the 5070ti

[steel umbra]

they’re really meh for next gen products

[broken perch]

Pretty much what they are doing too, and at least they are cheaper.

[steel umbra]

and if we ignore that nvidia cards are off the roof with pricing

[steel umbra]

never said that but 9070’s ~5-10%* performance uplift from the gre is just sad

[broken perch]

We had to hit a plateau sooner or later with performance. We wouldn't even need what we have now if game developers just optimized their games properly.

[sinful cobalt]

Im on a 5070ti aero waiting for 9070xt yeston availability
B580 sitting in the itx

waiting for the 3rd singularity

[broken perch]

Ok?

[sinful cobalt]

ahem mh wilds

[rigid fjord]

tbf the 5070ti, 5080 and 5090 are hampered with missing rops, which for the 5090's case drop's it's 25% performance increase to 14% performance increase

[neat flame]

9070xt rt performance is pretty good

[broken perch]

Pretty much yeah. Luckily I'm able to run it just fine on my main pc. But most people don't have access to the hardware I do. Just sad really with games.

[steel umbra]

yes, 50 series is a horrible launch, but rx 90XX is also compared to older gens such as even the rx 7000 and 6000 with msrp

rtx 50 < rx 9000 pricing, gen uplift per dollar

[rigid fjord]

in relation to this, amd's increases for 9070/9070xt are actually more reasonable especially for the pricing

[steel umbra]

but still bad nonetheless

especially the 9070 that one is hilarously poor

just an upsell to the 9070 xt

[rigid fjord]

who knew that 8 rop's can make a 10-11% performance difference

[neat flame]

9070 consumes a lot less power than 9070 xt so it would be decent when it drops to 500$ (never)

[broken perch]

Personally, if I was amd, I would have shaved off another 100 to both cards. They really needed to monopolize on people hating the 50 series, and get new customers to switchm

[steel umbra]

it’s the clocks as well the 9070 is heavily downclocked

well, you could oc it likely better than the 9070 xt but that’s not stock experience and not everyone wants to do that

[neat flame]

true 500$ for 9070xt would be an instant sell

[sinful cobalt]

5070ti 9800x3d in native ultra 1440p has its lows barely reaching 60 fps lmao

[broken perch]

They need new customers. If people are looking at amd and nvidia, they are just going to stay with nvidia if it's within 100$ for the same performance

[steel umbra]

$500 i would find acceptable or average for a gen uplift, $600 is too much, but in modern days i guess not? because nvidia is hammering themselves with name shifting and price increases

4070 super, 3060 ti, rdna2, 7800 xt times have ended for now

[broken perch]

9800x3d as well, but a 5090 also at 1440p, I never see below 100 fps on ultra no upscaling. But like I said, I have no problems with it. But I'm that .1%

My 7840hs, and 4060 laptop, different story lol. High / medium settings, dlss performance, and frame generation, i get like ... 80-100 with dips into 50-60 range at 1080p

[sinful cobalt]

if we throw the 90 class card out the window, a card like the 5070ti and 4080 lows barely even reaching 60 is bs, on avg they are like 80

And those 2 cards are for high fps 1440p.

[broken perch]

1000% agree. My wife has my old 4080 in her rig, and she gets like 100-120fps, at 2k, framegen and dlaa

[steel umbra]

average, but a lot of unoptimized games exist

that run better on higher end cards

also remember you can tune settings in games

[broken perch]

wilds is breaking barriers on being unoptimized

[steel umbra]

you don’t need all ultra for most games to look awesome

some settings in games barely do visual difference but take resources

[broken perch]

Wilds you do

Otherwise it gets grainy, blurry

Because you have to use framegen and dlss to get it running smooth

[steel umbra]

textures on ultra keep, and tune shading to like medium, and visually it will be 95% experience

[broken perch]

I raised an eyebrow though when nvidia app told me to use framegen with the 5090

[brave brook]

and in competitive games, higher details are often actually worse for the player in competitive sense (on ultra you see extra foliage which on low simply doesn't exist - so you could be hiding in a bush which the other person doesn't see, so your cover doesn't exist) 😄

[broken perch]

For sure, especially battle arena games.

Gotta remove them bushes

[steel umbra]

sometimes turning down shadows from ultra to high literally does not do difference to the naked eye unless you’re deliberately looking for the difference then ye you may find something but like… if you’re complaining about low fps i think it’s worth it unless money is less of a priority when you need a better gpu

[lapis condor]

600 was an instant sell too lmao

[glad fog]

yeah lets not criticize the gpu that costs 3000 usd, consumes power like a space heater and has no actual improvements other than raw performance/power.

[lapis condor]

The 9070 XT and 9070 have sold more units than 50 series have had produced lmao

[broken perch]

Most new games running high vs ultra nets a 20% fps increase, and it looks near identical, I agree with you.

[steel umbra]

in some games shadows may give you edge (such as in siege on some maps), but yeah in games like pubg or how cod used to be foliage yeah

[glad fog]

i think that number is probably 10-20x the amount of stock nvidia sold

[brave brook]

5090 has also a bonus effect of burning your house down

[tidal geyser]

XD

[neat flame]

yea it is, but 500$ wouldve got a lot more attention
not saying that 9070xt is a bad deal at 600$

[brave brook]

overwatch too

[glad fog]

it's sold out. it got enough attention as it is.

[neat flame]

true

[glad fog]

directly competing with the 5070 ti it doesnt need to be any cheaper.

[lapis condor]

at MSRP it got all of the attention anyway
Did you see that ocuk had >1k units of a single model, and those all sold out within minutes?

[tidal geyser]

Sold out?

[broken perch]

I got my 5090 for free, but its the first time I've ever had my pc on my desk in front of me, so I can keep an eye on it lol. But I'm also not using a 3rd party cable, I'm using the ones provided.

[tidal geyser]

Needs to sell out even quicker or else the price is bad

[broken perch]

True

[glad fog]

in europe at least, msrp's a myth for these cards.

[lapis condor]

They were at msrp for the first wave

[glad fog]

there were so little of them that it didnt matter

and the retailers also raise the prices however they seem fit.

[steel umbra]

it is a chonker ye i mean nvidia is trying maybe to sell them at $2000 but they have low supply, when we bring the issues yeah… it’s sad but the load balancing is technically solvable if you have a thermal camera, clamp meter, if you diagnose the issue xd

you could apply external load balacing with some diy

[tidal geyser]

There were many of them

[lapis condor]

'so little of them'
Multiple thousands of each unit :)

[glad fog]

in the us

[neat flame]

the demand was huge cause of poor 50 series launch

[tidal geyser]

Nope around the world too

[broken perch]

Yeah, whole world got diddled with the launch

[lapis condor]

There were multiple European retailers with thousands of units each

[glad fog]

from what ive heard others say, and from what the prices are, there werent that many.

[lapis condor]

There really were that many kekw

[glad fog]

im sure they were, that's why all of them went 30-40% above msrp.

[tidal geyser]

Other people need sources

[steel umbra]

msrp models sold out, higher models were available

[lapis condor]

Because they sold out and stores want to make profits?

[tidal geyser]

Amd had tons only reason why the us felt like it had more is due to actually having stores that sell them

[steel umbra]

there were a lot but they sold quickly because people are thirsty for budget gpus

[lapis condor]

Like these can both be true statements

[glad fog]

well if 600 is a budget gpu now, that's something

[steel umbra]

the 9070 xt is what’s currently best on the market for value if you get them at msrp

[brave brook]

it's not about the cable, it can happen with any cable, even with the supplied one. It comes down to card having zero load distribution logic, so if any wire/pin/contact has a variance of being better conductor, that wire will start receiving a bit or way more power than planned. And then fire starts. Or in better case, just a melted connector

[neat flame]

nah arent they planning 9060 series too

[lapis condor]

The 9070 xt is not a budget card lol

[lapis condor]

They are

[sinful cobalt]

$600 is mot budget, thats midrange buddy

[steel umbra]

i mean even the 9800x3d, it was small gamin improvement from 7800x3d, also less efficient and look how that went… scalped

[neat flame]

9800x3d was great

[sinful cobalt]

its basically the same but with OC headroom tbh

[lapis condor]

I love when everything relies on TSMC

[steel umbra]

yeah due to power limits (mostly) removed because the cache was at the bottom, but it was also less efficient per fps than 7800x3d

[glad fog]

what ive seen here is 60% over the msrp on the day of the launch.

[steel umbra]

it was not major improvement from 7800x3d at gaming (the 7800x3d/9800x3d is a gaming cpu)

[lapis condor]

Single plant where every single 50 series GPU, AMD CCD and 9070 (XT) are being fabbed lol

And every Nvidia ai accelerator, and every single intel battlemage part...

[steel umbra]

yeah the 7800x3d had the charm with its stock high efficiency which the 9800x3d lost, but atleast you can oc it for a decent workin cpu

[sinful cobalt]

intel plans to make their own celestial instead of going to tsmc for it

[tidal geyser]

main reason why the 9800X3D sold was just because it was THE best

[neat flame]

what happened to the tsmc fab in the us, is it still under construction?

[lapis condor]

They do
But that's in the future

[steel umbra]

i mean the 7800x3d was also best at the time

[sinful cobalt]

Its like the zen 5 cores with x3d somehow had less efficiency but id say pretty similar

[steel umbra]

for gaming

[lapis condor]

Under construction and wont be online for the next few years anyway

[glad fog]

relying on one country for all this production is not going to end well.

[steel umbra]

9800x3d had too much hype

[tidal geyser]

i know why

[sinful cobalt]

rn intel has no good gaming options lmao

so 9800x3d and 7800x3d have been thriving

[lapis condor]

14600kf:

[neat flame]

major reason

[tidal geyser]

you should also know why it was so cheap at the start but then went ape shit

[steel umbra]

yes intel shot themselves in both feet

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cant-unbake-a-cake-cake-bill-nye-iliza-shlesinger-star-talk-gif-gif-13524991

[steel umbra]

the price was okay, minor increase for a minor improvement

[neat flame]

damn

[tidal geyser]

um it went from like 300 to 600

[sinful cobalt]

their i5 i7 and i9s are literally all like 20 fps apart in FH5

[steel umbra]

wasn’t as impressive as 7800x3d unless were talking about oc

when the 9800x3d came out 7800x3d went up from 330-370 to 450++

[tidal geyser]

the 9800X3D sold as well as it did due to being THE best and not really being anything better

[sinful cobalt]

also with UBM being notoriously biased thats not helping intel lmao

[lapis condor]

How does that compare to the 9800x3d at 1440p?

[neat flame]

hell naw ubm

[steel umbra]

ye, but 7800x3d was also best and that didn’t have that much hype

[neat flame]

intel should just sue them atp

[sinful cobalt]

no, amd should

[tidal geyser]

before intel cpus started killing themselves

[sinful cobalt]

the glazing UBM did is backfiring bcs they went overboard

[steel umbra]

9800x3d was well received because intel was crumbling
just as 9070 xt was well received because nvidia is joking around

[sinful cobalt]

both situations had the rival give the gun straight to amd

[steel umbra]

for a gen uplift they’re… i wouldn’t call impressive

[glad fog]

nothing about this gpu generation is impressive

[neat flame]

yes

[tidal geyser]

if you look outside of gaming performance

[sinful cobalt]

the msrp situation is

[cosmic stratus]

why do ppl keep acting like AMD failed them in prices when its the VENDORS that keep inflating the price??? what am I missing here lmfao

[tidal geyser]

the 9800X3D is able to be right behind the 9700x

[glad fog]

not really.

[lapis condor]

Because lack of knowledge combined with angry means you blane whoever you think is at fault

[sinful cobalt]

yes really, its stated u cant get msrp amd cards after like the 1st batch, as for nvidia we all know how that went with non existent msrps

[steel umbra]

they’re gaming cpus, there’s also the 7950x3d which shredds the 9800x3d at multi core i mean rarely you’ll find applications outside gaming that benefit from 3d cache and single core it’s usually multicore for workloads

[sinful cobalt]

bcs nvidia is choking the aibs in terms of margins

[glad fog]

but if the LLM bubble doesnt pop within 2 years, the stock isnt going to get any better.

[cosmic stratus]

I thought so lmao

[glad fog]

and so i feel the price situation is not going to get much better.

[tidal geyser]

7950X3D also costs more and has issues with switching what ccd to use

[sinful cobalt]

asus is the worst offender of this msrp situation lmao, followed by msi

[neat flame]

i think 9950x3d reviews should be tomorrow

its launching on 12th

[steel umbra]

zen + to zen 2 was big
zen 2 to 3 was big
3 to 4 also big
4 to 5 less

[neat flame]

zen 2 to 3 was insane

[tidal geyser]

at least its better then intel going from lga 1700 to lga 1851 aka at least zen 5 was a bit better

[lapis condor]

Supply is maxed out, demand is rising so price will keep rising

[tidal geyser]

economics 101

supply and demand

demand high supply too but not high enough at launch

[steel umbra]

yes but for a generation the 9800x3d is a meh, it has some nice improvements but i wouldn’t justify the hype, increased msrp and outside that the scalped prices

[sinful cobalt]

Intel LGA 1700 to LGA 1851 performance uplift ❌

Zen 5 performance uplift ❌
Efficiency uplift ✅

[tidal geyser]

zen 5 was better then zen 4?

[sinful cobalt]

Also I missed out on adding more to intel

[sinful cobalt]

by like 2% stock

[tidal geyser]

with intel 14th to cu200 it was a lot worse and in some games at launch unusable

[steel umbra]

zen 5 has okay efficiency improvement and even that is hardly to point anything out

[sinful cobalt]

intel also had efficiency uplift but their performance retracted lmao

[lapis condor]

1851 is, currently, in a usable state
If you don't game it's the best option atm

[tidal geyser]

core ultra has a lot of great things

but gaming aint one of em

[steel umbra]

yeah

[sinful cobalt]

like the shit ton of advertisements the shops in simlim are pushing for them

[tidal geyser]

i so badly wanna grab a small media pc to do all my quick play things and mostly transcoding

[hidden charm]

Does it make sense to get 128gb of ram for M4 Max if I want to run AI models locally?

What amount of storage volume would make sense then?

[glad fog]

the next generations of gpus will be interesting. should finally get to native 60fps with full ray tracing. though i guess that depends on the game.

[tidal geyser]

simlim?

[glad fog]

at 1080p anyway

[plush wren]

norwegians are rich just do it

[sinful cobalt]

soz the singapore tech hub/mall*

[plush wren]

[tidal geyser]

naaa

[plush wren]

[tidal geyser]

the 1050 ti works well enough

[stiff nebula]

Oh fr? I thought its some sort of spec thing lol

[steel umbra]

it’s just core ultra and zen 5 are meh… i hope there’ll be gen that fixes that

zen 6 and next intelium cpus

[lapis condor]

A, B and X are the only letters you care about
The e at the end means extra connectivity and for 90% of users can be safely ignored

[tidal geyser]

intelium

[steel umbra]

i had higher hopes for core ultra and it turned out to be … at launch

[lapis condor]

Frankly, all A series boards should be ignored because of how cheap B series boards are lol

[sinful cobalt]

ive heard of 0 real adoption of core ultra and like 2 people who went for the 9700X (Im not gonna include 9800x3d here we know how that goes)

[tidal geyser]

from the look of it lga 1851 will also turn out to be utterdogshit for longevity

going to get another 4th gen from intel worth of support

[nimble marsh]

Any good gamin keyboard suggestions i thought about buying apex 9 mini when it gets cheaper

[steel umbra]

some of the asus pro green a boards go occasionally for like $60

[lapis condor]

Ask in #peripherals

[steel umbra]

probs fine for a 7500f or 7700 and if you don’t need goob i/o

[plush wren]

lamzu made a keyboard recently idk anything about it tho

[nimble marsh]

Last time i typed there someone did the exact opposite of helping me

[plush wren]

190$

[steel umbra]

e

[plush wren]

e

[boreal vine]

thanks chrome for removing ublock origin

really appreciate that

[nimble marsh]

They removed it?

[cosmic stratus]

who is that

[tidal geyser]

FFS

[cosmic stratus]

dont even use unblock origin lmao

useless

[steel umbra]

we love greed, sorry but we gotta be fair with the ads so no ad blockers!

[tidal geyser]

google has said so many times and done so much and just straight up how are you surprised they did that

[cosmic stratus]

I alrady have too many ad blockers enabled

[stiff nebula]

Is it bad since its cheaper? I mean quality wise or something

[lapis condor]

No

[tidal geyser]

they are losing money on youtube

[steel umbra]

also i love when i search something first 4 results are sponsored

[boreal vine]

fuck ads

[steel umbra]

on chrome

[boreal vine]

they're the computer equivalent of ebola

[lapis condor]

Having multiple enabled makes them work worse usually

Only need one

[cosmic stratus]

on p*rating websites its needed, also the combination I use works perfectly fine

[steel umbra]

yeah, if you don’t gotta buy anything then what’s the point of ads, like would be nice if you could disable them but that would make money loses for google and that’s a big no

[tidal geyser]

even the FBI say people need to use a adblocker

[steel umbra]

google used to be so useful thingy nowadays… it feels very bloatwarey

[steel umbra]

yeah it’s the ads that usually have irrelevant results, or scams or products that are just not worth it because ads cost mone

[nimble marsh]

Do i buy apex mini 9

[plush wren]

#peripherals

[stiff nebula]

With that is the gigabyte b650a elite ax v2 good with the 9800x3d?

[tidal geyser]

firefox+ublock origin+duckduckgo

[tidal geyser]

yes

motherboard really does not matter for it

[plush wren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1100975750489833492/1117116671744823376/image0.gif

[steel umbra]

also i don’t understand why does the same ad show multiple times in let’s say youtube… what’s the point of that? isn’t one two or three times enough? i don’t need a to see the same car ad 20 times without ad blocker on 30 different videos

[stiff nebula]

Gotcha I was thinking maybe I'm sacrificing performance for how much that mobo costs compared to others

[steel umbra]

like you can’t even easily just click “i don’t want to see this ad”

[plush wren]

whats wrong with using an adblocker

[steel umbra]

i’m just pointing out how inefficient google ads are at times even at advertising

[tidal geyser]

youtube is not making profit

[plush wren]

I dont think they care they get money regardless

[steel umbra]

like instead of giving you palette of ads it’s usually stuck with 5 ads that repeat in a circle each time you watch a diff video

[plush wren]

[tidal geyser]

nothing in this world is free

not sure if youtube has ever made profit

[steel umbra]

google ads make up like 80% of their profit

but… remember when google used to be… agaisnt these practices when it was developed by fewer people

it’s the opposite now, ads first, content second

[boreal vine]

it's not even just that, it's what you get through the ads too

Fuck you warshit

hope you stub your toe '

[tidal geyser]

xd

[boreal vine]

oh my fucking god

[steel umbra]

yeah, sometimes same ads repeat over and over

[tidal geyser]

get warshiped

[boreal vine]

fix the fucking filter holyshit'

[tidal geyser]

what is it getting angy over

[boreal vine]

there was actual adult content on yt ads for a while

[steel umbra]

warshipped sinked your dictionary

[tidal geyser]

shorts at the start was a nightmare

[steel umbra]

what do you think about ad scams

[robust trail]

shorts are still sharts

[tidal geyser]

but without 18+ content and very umm 18+ products

[steel umbra]

straight up scams

there was this ad that promised you like $2k every week if you gib like hundred bucks after a month