tech-chat-1

[left palm]

msi website crapped itself

[tidal geyser]

why?

[left palm]

rip

[cosmic stratus]

More performance ofc

[trim idol]

I'm with @tidal geyser on this. For gaming, 27" 4k is silly

[steel umbra]

Welp

[mellow cairn]

wtf do you want 4k 27"

[left palm]

why not

[tidal geyser]

what gpu do you have again?

[cosmic stratus]

there are huge improvments with this in games like forza so...

[cosmic stratus]

rx 5700xt

[mellow cairn]

I mean, do what you want I don't give a shit, but the benefits are minimal

[tidal geyser]

saying thats a supported gpu really does stretches rebar far

[mellow cairn]

Shit, I game at 48"

[swift moss]

anyone know whats up? arent showing any updates

[tidal geyser]

like yeah it technically is but its not enough to really notice anything in a good few games

[left palm]

I have a 27inch ips already so I just want to pair another 27inch with it

[cosmic stratus]

I play forza

[trim idol]

would a 5700xt really see a boost from rebar? I'd be surprisd if it was more than a few fps

[cosmic stratus]

also this opens the door to buying an intel arc gpu

[mellow cairn]

is it 4k?

[tidal geyser]

is qbit connected to it

[left palm]

1440p

[mellow cairn]

You want to pair a 4k 27 with a 1440 27?

[trim idol]

when you get the stats, mention me, I'd be curious to know how much of a boost you get

[left palm]

yes

[cosmic stratus]

im forza its almost like buying a new gpu

[mellow cairn]

Yeah nah

[swift moss]

its deluge and yeah it should be, its putting the downloads from the searches

[cosmic stratus]

lemme go pull up the results

[swift moss]

i didnt manually add these files

[tidal geyser]

also you need to search from lidarr

[left palm]

I want to leave static content on the 1440p ips

[swift moss]

i did yeah

[left palm]

and game on the 4k
to prevent burn ins

[outer marlin]

Gt 730

[tidal geyser]

rip

[mellow cairn]

You can do that. You don't need to have the same size.

[outer marlin]

its alive

the psu i was using exploded

[mellow cairn]

burn in is nowhere near as much of a problem as you think, especially on a current gen oled

[tidal geyser]

fun fact you can also connect spotify to lidarr

[left palm]

ill prob need to buy a table bc of this

[swift moss]

yeah, doesnt solve my problem though 😭

[outer marlin]

but it stop giving power to the pcie slot first ig speaking that the card had no signs of life

[mellow cairn]

I mean, if that's the case you probably needed one anyway...

[left palm]

hmm

[mellow cairn]

forget the avg improvements, that 0.1% is gamechanging

[cosmic stratus]

remember this alsow allows me to consider an arc gpu in the future. i'd say its well worth it

[cosmic stratus]

oh interesting... its lower

[tidal geyser]

wait what is the root folder of lidarr

[cosmic stratus]

but 1% is higher

[swift moss]

/home/elfie/music

which is an smb share it has write access to

[mellow cairn]

now ... that MAY be due to testing problems, I can't be sure, there's not enough sample size.

[tidal geyser]

where does it store the music after its downloaded?

[cosmic stratus]

oh right sample size

[tidal geyser]

hmmmmm

[swift moss]

idk it doesnt move it

[cosmic stratus]

8gb rabar or the clip

[mellow cairn]

No, I mean sample size of 1. The 0.1% low might be an abberation

[trim idol]

dang, that's noteworthy

[swift moss]

it's set up really shady

lemme send

[tidal geyser]

what tutorial did you follow

[swift moss]

none

This is my backup testing share

I should probably clear the movies to main

[cosmic stratus]

forza 4

every other game is 1-4fps difference some having better 1% lows and thats it, same fps

my main concern is forza since I play that alot

[outer marlin]

i CANNOT stand to 50 series nvidia cards

[tidal geyser]

second pic, you just need to do /music

[cosmic stratus]

oh

[swift moss]

in the mount point?

[mellow cairn]

better 1% lows is worth it - it makes a big difference. You'll feel 1% lows before you feel average

[tidal geyser]

yes

[swift moss]

so /music ?

[tidal geyser]

yes

[swift moss]

ok

[cosmic stratus]

right

[swift moss]

ok lemme check

[gilded thistle]

How long before 9070 reviews can be shown

[tidal geyser]

i see what you did wrong

[cosmic stratus]

anyways im PRAYING the modded bios that I found in the dell forums in TPU actually works on this gpu

[swift moss]

wut

[tidal geyser]

tommorow

[cosmic stratus]

😭 🙏

[azure void]

when connecting the fans do i plug the fans to eachother and plug the last one to the hub?

[gilded thistle]

In how many hours, I don’t live in the us sorry

[outer marlin]

Finally got my fan splitter in

[tidal geyser]

how mine is configured

[tidal geyser]

no clue

also me too

[swift moss]

but like what did i do wrong?

[tidal geyser]

lidarr and qbit both need access to the same folders

[swift moss]

you mean the download folder? the download folder isnt my music folder

they both has access to mnt/Apollo/music-downloads

[tidal geyser]

i know but thats where lidarr grabs it from

[swift moss]

its /musicdl in deluge and /home/elfie/downloads in lidarr

[tidal geyser]

wait you are using prowlarr

[swift moss]

no, jackett

prowlarr cant solve captchas

[tidal geyser]

i just use flarsolverr

but yeah i do not think that can do that too

[swift moss]

yeah it doesnt solve image captchas i dont think

[swift moss]

thats besides the point, the indexer does its due duty and sets them to download in deluge

[tidal geyser]

hmmmm

[swift moss]

it just cant detect activity

thats it

it sees the files in downloads

[tidal geyser]

i think the issue here is that lidarr cant reach delunge

[outer marlin]

can someone tell me the app thats being used for these benchmark numbers

[swift moss]

yeah, it might just be the indexer talking to it maybe

[tidal geyser]

rivatuner

[tidal geyser]

for me i can see if something is being downloaded

[outer marlin]

thx

[cosmic stratus]

msi after burner/RTSS

[mellow cairn]

oh god, 10100 and GT730?

[swift moss]

yeah it worked like that

[swift moss]

looks like frameview

[tidal geyser]

noope

[swift moss]

ok

[outer marlin]

intel core i9 13th gen with a gt 610

[cosmic stratus]

lol 10100 with a large IGPU

[outer marlin]

bottleneck of doom and dispair

[tidal geyser]

frameview is all green well by default

[swift moss]

ok

[outer marlin]

the i9 is too weak for my gt 610

[cosmic stratus]

my 1680v3 is too weak for my nvs 310

[swift moss]

THATS WHAT IT WAS

[mellow cairn]

model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 7 258V

[tidal geyser]

XD

[tidal geyser]

what did you do

[swift moss]

still doesnt import lemme just retry

[swift moss]

turn on label plugin

[tidal geyser]

i have no clue what that is

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-cute-kitten-cat-gif-6917710866304482943

[hoary agate]

wooow so good

my pc is so fire

[primal void]

I love gambling on old untested GPUs, ~2,3euro for each one

[quartz berry]

My pc has no airflow. It too will be on fire

[tidal geyser]

it has A LOT

you have panel gaps worse then tesla

[primal void]

Take the front panel and side panel off and enjoy the dust and airflow

[quartz berry]

You think this will run well with the pannels? I'm seriously thinking of grabbing another case at this point ngl

[tidal geyser]

yes

[mellow cairn]

although the fucking firmware on the lunar lake video is weird and shit. It doesn't Just Work like my older intel laptop did

[swift moss]

hmm @tidal geyser interesting

[tidal geyser]

unless you do a 14900k and 5090 you will be fine

[tidal geyser]

hmmm

[quartz berry]

I plan on sticking a 7 9800x3d and a 5070 ti

[tidal geyser]

try to do another song

[swift moss]

the whole album failed

[tidal geyser]

both known for their efficiency

[swift moss]

and 3 of them

[tidal geyser]

try another album

[swift moss]

lol

[tidal geyser]

wait you did change the root folder of lidarr

after changing the mount point

[swift moss]

yes to /music

its a share that it can read at the very least, im not sure about writing

i think its 777 lol

yeah i did everyone@ modify

[tidal geyser]

hmmmm

[swift moss]

oh

its still trying to use /home/elfie/music when its /music now

[tidal geyser]

i told you

o well

[ocean ether]

Updated my bios, it did its restarts, now when it restarted the last time I’m just looking at a black screen, this normal, orrr

[swift moss]

hold on 2 secs it might not be working

[rigid fjord]

oh look the cousin to my case

[swift moss]

YES

[quartz berry]

You've got a Max?

[random gyro]

why did changing my psu fix my cpu temp issue?

The speed of my cpu hasn't changed, but the temp has significantly

it used to idle around 50-60, now it's idling as low as 40

[plush wren]

less heat from psu? idk

[tidal geyser]

yay

[tidal geyser]

since you did not mesure idle ya dummy

i swear almost nobody here has measured idle temps

[random gyro]

wdym i didn't measure idle

Explain "idle" because I measured idle temps

[tidal geyser]

user error

[tidal geyser]

no you did not, idle is when the system is doing NOTHING and NOTHING AT ALL

most people think it is when its just sitting

[random gyro]

in the bios

i was at 54 degrees

[tidal geyser]

why are you just sitting in bios also no

in the bios it cant do c states

[random gyro]

I did tho

it

It said my cpu, the voltage, etc

[plush wren]

K so I should turn off my computer

[tidal geyser]

you should never ever use the bios to measure idle temps

[random gyro]

anyways, idgaf if I used the wrong word or the right word. Why has my temp dropped 10 degrees randomly? All I did was change psu

[tidal geyser]

YES, na kidding but most users have some random shit program in the background using like 20% of the cpu amd gpu or something

[random gyro]

my pc is doing the exact same stuff as before

[plush wren]

[tidal geyser]

I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN ITS NOT random

[random gyro]

Right. So when my pc was sat there at 50-60 degrees doing very little, a change of psu and now it's at 40 whilst doing very little isn't random? All you've done is complain that I didn't use the right word.

[tidal geyser]

you are meant to be in windows with no other program open then hwinfo

[random gyro]

yes, well done.

That's what I did

[random gyro]

I then went to the bios to undervolt it by negative -15, which didn't change anything

[plush wren]

yapfest

[tidal geyser]

anyways idle temps do not matter

[random gyro]

I just want to know, could my old PSU have caused higher temps?

[plush wren]

i need a graphics/drawing tablet whatever the fuck its called

[tidal geyser]

no*

[random gyro]

yes or no, it's that simple. All you had to say was "Your psu couldve been causing higher temps" why you gotta be pedantic over 1 wrong word as if it's the end of the world

then idk why my temps are 10 degrees lower now

[tidal geyser]

its not

[random gyro]

wdym its not

[mellow cairn]

thermodynamics is not random

[tidal geyser]

or at least this time around your not updating windows, there is not a extra program running you updated to more efficient drivers

your room is colder

[mellow cairn]

or some other shit changed, physically

CPU shifted and has better contact with heatsink

[random gyro]

package used to say 60-70 degrees whilst doing nothing. Just on my desktop.

[tidal geyser]

maybe you did not screw the case in all the way or had the side panel open

[steel umbra]

Yay

[plush wren]

yayfest

[tidal geyser]

no wonder why its wrong

he is using hwmonitor

[random gyro]

I used hwinfo too

They all say the same temps

[tidal geyser]

then why am i seeing hwmonitor

[random gyro]

why tf are you being pedantic?

[tidal geyser]

i am not

[random gyro]

yes tf you are

[tidal geyser]

you are the one claiming 10c cooler and i am trying to explain

[ocean ether]

Someone telling this 7900xt for $300 😂😂😂😂

[random gyro]

oh my god, it's almost like it's the same numbers

[random gyro]

It is 10 degrees cooler, are you telling me, my eyes are wrong?

[tidal geyser]

its meant to read the same sensors but hwmonitor is known to have issues

[random gyro]

What u two arguing about

[tidal geyser]

i am telling you there is millions of factors that might have chnaged

[tidal geyser]

he claims his pc is 10c cooler by replacing the PSU

[random gyro]

I never said it was certain

[tidal geyser]

imagine if he installed the psu upside down

you said it fixed your issue

so that is pretty certain to me

also even 80c on that cpu is not a temp issue

[random gyro]

Yes, and im asking why because it makes no sense. Therefore, i'm not 100% certain thats the case. I asked. And you never gave an explicit, clear answer. Instead you complained and moaned about my incorrect terminology as if this is a fucking essay.

[random gyro]

Lmao?!!?

[limpid dune]

40 degrees and 50 degrees are only a few watts apart, since air coolers hardly take effect until at least 70 ish

usually PSUs are either 20C or 20,000C, no in-between

[hexed tapir]

Idle temps are mostly useless

[tidal geyser]

i never said you used the wrong terminology, i said most people do not know how to measure idle

[limpid dune]

unless you're on an AIO, in which case that's a significant difference

[tidal geyser]

i also said this

[plush wren]

wacom

[random gyro]

I never said "changing my psu 100% fixed my cpu temps" I asked why, because it doesn't make sense.

[ocean ether]

@tidal geyser tell me that card is shot lmao

[limpid dune]

the "why" is; it didn't significantly change the temps, what you're seeing is most likely measurement error or maybe the new PSU has different airflow/fans

[tidal geyser]

what did you mean by this then

[hexed tapir]

Like are you measuring the idle temps while in the mobo bios or on the desktop and how long has it been running blah blah blah

[random gyro]

Are you stupid? I'm asking why... it makes no sense. Is that me being 100% sure, or are you blind?

[tidal geyser]

what was the temp in the room

[tidal geyser]

I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN

[hexed tapir]

Was the home AC running?

[random gyro]

im in the uk, we don't have AC

[limpid dune]

my room temp drops 10C when I open the door 😭

[hexed tapir]

Was your door or window open

[random gyro]

Nope, same environment.

We have uni room sensors which control the temp in the room, we get little influence.

[tidal geyser]

how long did you test, what was the power draw?

[random gyro]

Only 1050 more episodes of one piece

[tidal geyser]

power draw being the most important factor here

[limpid dune]

the writers wrote 1049 episodes and then were like "nah we should do some more"

[random gyro]

The power draw never really changed and was always around 30-40 watts

[tidal geyser]

is the psu installed the right way?

[random gyro]

I even removed the heatsink, and re-adjusted all the fans. I don't want to know why for no reason, I'm just confused because I tried everything, dusting, new thermal paste, everything, yet the only time it works is when I get a new PSU. I'm not claiming that the new PSU is confirmed to be a method of dropping temps, but it was only once I redone that, and re-seated the gpu that temps dropped.

[hexed tapir]

I always forget British people can't afford home AC 😢

[random gyro]

It can only be installed one way.

[tidal geyser]

nope

[random gyro]

Hell, we can't afford anything here atm.

[random gyro]

Ah, mine can only be installed one way.

[tidal geyser]

also 60c for that cpu idle is normal

[random gyro]

yes, but 40 seems better for doing nothing

Its not a problem, im just confused as to what I did to fix it, if anything

[tidal geyser]

the newer psu might have supported better power states or the bios got reset and it was enabled for whatever reason

[random gyro]

Yucky Brits

[tidal geyser]

there are so many factors here

[random gyro]

Alright, anyways, perhaps when I lay my pc down the cooler had better contact with the cpu, idk. I'm just happy it's lower. I've also decided to upgrade to a 9070xt, as the price looks to be around 470

[tidal geyser]

what

[tidal geyser]

the price in the uk will be £570

[random gyro]

oh, nvm. I just converted usd to gbp, but that's not tasty

Fuck that

Greedy fucks

[tidal geyser]

US does not have tax before they buy it

UK does and it has more

[random gyro]

makes sense

in that case, if the 9070 drops in price, then perhaps that.

[tidal geyser]

its midnight for you in 7min

[random gyro]

would my cpu be a bottleneck? Ofc there's 100% going to be a bottleneck, but would performance be decent?

[tidal geyser]

1440p monitor eh its fine

1080p defo grab a 5700X3D

4k more then fine for most games

[random gyro]

1440p

[tidal geyser]

anyways ama head off

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tired-cute-gif-18552541

[quartz berry]

My search for a pc case locally continues

[tidal geyser]

you know you could also unscrew the 4 screws and get the same cooling performance as a lot of modern cases

[latent gull]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-trapped-kitten-speech-bubble-gif-25553629

[quartz berry]

Pardon my ignorance but wouldn't removing the panel just screw up air distribution or some tech mumbo jumbo

Or am I completely overthinking how fans work in a pc

[sharp narwhal]

Not for a front panel

[quartz berry]

Oh okay thanks I wasn't sure how that worked

Fortunately there is a dust cover behind the panel

[mellow cairn]

It depends! That's the good thing about fluid dynamics - it's hard.

If your case had excellent air flow and distribution, yes, it would fuck it up. The chances of that being the case are minimal though

[mellow cairn]

Every time you think the word "bottleneck", just ... Don't.

[gleaming rose]

:3

[hexed tapir]

Every PC has a bottle neck

[mellow cairn]

Bottlenecks don't exist. Not like people seem to think they do.

[quartz berry]

I think I grasp what you mean

[random gyro]

Well, my r5 3600 had stutters with my 6750xt which is why I upgraded. So I've experienced a bottleneck before, I just don't wanna replicate that

[gleaming rose]

everything is a bottleneck and that means nothing is a bottleneck(?)
it doesnt really make sense tbh but all you need to know is that modern hardware wont bottleneck the way you think it will

[mellow cairn]

Nope

Nope

Nope

... You're missing the point entirely

[blazing onyx]

the bottleneck is subjective to what your doing with the computer

[mellow cairn]

Computers and modern software is extremely complex, and unless your PC build is absolutely insane, there is no "bottleneck", there's just relative performance

[eternal cloak]

If we're being strictly, CPUs

[mellow cairn]

In that exact moment, not even the game.

[blazing onyx]

a workstation is going to be heavilty gpu limited if you try to game, but a gaming desktop trying to do heavy workloads may be cpu limited

and it could be the other way around depending on the app/game

[mellow cairn]

You can't even say that with confidence

[blazing onyx]

things like star citizen, factorio, and space engineers are going to almost always cpu limit you

[eternal cloak]

i.e there's currently no consumer CPU on the market that can fully utilize a 4090 (or 5090 for that matter) without being CPU limited

[blazing onyx]

incorrect

[mellow cairn]

The entire concept of a bottleneck, and "matching" CPU/GPU is stupid

[blazing onyx]

technically, any cpu could fully utilize a 4090

just depends on the resolution you run at

[mellow cairn]

..... At 1080p when gaming, sure

[latent pasture]

youd have to go 8k then

[mellow cairn]

In that case, it's literally a bottleneck. But it's the exception, not the rule.

[random gyro]

wdym nope, the 3600 bottlenecked the 6750xt, I experienced it

[latent pasture]

hardware unboxed tested that even at 4k most pre 2020 cpus cant even fully use a 4080 which itself is a huge step below 4090

[blazing onyx]

and what were you playing with it

[random gyro]

1080p, so it was a bottleneck

[mellow cairn]

You experienced performance issues.

[blazing onyx]

what g a m e

[random gyro]

every game

[mellow cairn]

"bottleneck" is entirely wrong

[eternal cloak]

Just because you get less frames than other CPUs while using it doesn't mean it's automatically a bottleneck lol

[random gyro]

It wasn't less frames, it was stuttering

constant, my fps was high, but constant stuttering because the cpu couldn't keep up

[mellow cairn]

You don't actually understand how this works

[latent pasture]

that doesnt sound like a cpu problem lol

[mellow cairn]

That sounds like a ram problem tbh

[latent pasture]

it looks more like running out of ram

[random gyro]

I had 32gb of ram...

Guess when the problem went away

[mellow cairn]

In four dimms of mixed speeds running jedec?

[random gyro]

32gb ddr4 3600. problem only left when I went to my new cpu

[blazing onyx]

each frame takes cpu and gpu power, but higher resolutions take an exponential amount of gpu power

[hexed tapir]

We don't have a CPU/gpu pair that's equal with each other

[random gyro]

I could've played at 1440p, making it more gpu bound

But i didn't have a 1440p monitor and virtual resolution looked terrible

[blazing onyx]

generally more gpu bound is the goal, because on cpu bound you start having performance issues with background tasks

[random gyro]

I know, but the difference between the 3600 and 6750xt was drastic

I like how, I explain what happened, the thing which fixed it, and everyone tells me nope, as if I didn't have to fix it myself 2 years ago

[south arrow]

[random gyro]

I'm no pc expert, but if every game stuttered because I paired my 3600 with a 6750xt, then it stuttered because of that.

[rigid fjord]

yeah, the panzer max-g

[cosmic stratus]

where you playing max graphics

maxing out graphic settings should balance things out

[mellow cairn]

It stuttered because you had a problem

[cosmic stratus]

oh, what was his issue

[mellow cairn]

"pc doesn't work right" -> bottleneck

... not how it works

[mellow cairn]

I don't know

[mellow cairn]

You have no other data. Your problem was fixed when you changed hardware - that doesn't mean there is an inherent issue.

[rigid fjord]

what you experienced was not a bottleneck there, it's definitely some settings elsewhere causing the issue

and i'm saying this due to previously using an r5 3600

[mellow cairn]

The only REAL bottleneck is B580 with older CPUs and non rebar, and 4090+ power GPUs at low resolutions (which is stupid anyway)

[mellow cairn]

and due to them being EXTREMELY common and widely benchmarked and used.

People often come and say "I'm buying X video card, will I be bottlenecked by my Z CPU?" - as if the X video card won't give them a performance upgrade from their current card, and they would never upgrade their CPU.

[frosty oriole]

I think they're just wanting to know how much to spend on a card to make sure it's not held back too much, and they're not overspending on an upgrade they won't get to properly experience.

[mellow cairn]

except they have used a "bottleneck calculator" and it told them they are "10% bottlenecked"

as if that has a useful meaning

[frosty oriole]

Yeah, that part's goofy. But asking people who will have first-hand experience isn't a bad thing to do.

[frail delta]

Sounds like you have a bottleneck and are just compensating for it Bob

[mellow cairn]

oh no, that part is absolutely perfect, my point is the term 'bottleneck' is stupid and useless. By and for idiots.

[frail delta]

I have 0% bottleneck

[mellow cairn]

I'll give you a bottleneck

[frosty oriole]

How so?

[mellow cairn]

.... literally everything I have said so far

[rigid fjord]

it wasn't the cpu not being able to keep up, seriously, the r5 3600 can definitely handle an rx6750xt, a lot of stutters especially micro stuttering could be pointed down at settings like levels of anti aliasing being done or a background task suddenly taking place

[floral osprey]

i don't think it's wrong to use language like that to ask questions because others will probably know what you mean. no need to be 100% correct all the time

[frosty oriole]

I've only been following since the message from 6 minutes ago.

[mellow cairn]

The entire concept is not useful

People typically come in freaking out over a "10% bottleneck" because they are upgrading their video card.

[rigid fjord]

trouble is, bottlenecking is not a catch all term for use to say where the issue will be

[mellow cairn]

also the term 'bottleneck' implies a hard and significant limitation

[frosty oriole]

I think you're painting it with too wide of a brush, which to be fair, it is a problem when people do. But when used properly, the term is useful.

[rigid fjord]

hell some probably see a 1% bottleneck and assume the worse

[mellow cairn]

neither of which applies.

[mellow cairn]

how is it used properly then? because I don't see that, basically ever.

[floral osprey]

definitely, the person who was asking for help here earlier was using 100% it incorrectly lmao

[gleaming rose]

this conversation is still happening

[mellow cairn]

It also conveys absolutely insane bullshit - if you want useful, look at the intel frame time charts.

[rigid fjord]

we're nerds and geeks, it'll continue on til the end of time

[mellow cairn]

It's not a simple pipeline

[frosty oriole]

If your GPU's sitting at, say 60% usage and one of your threads is maxed out, you can say your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU.

[mellow cairn]

No, you can't.

[frosty oriole]

Why not?

[hexed tapir]

5070 12 GB of vram is a bottle neck right

[gleaming rose]

thats not the cpus fault

thats the fault of the workload

its not as simple as saying its uneven and therefore a bottleneck

[rigid fjord]

fuck no, that's more on the program itself

[mellow cairn]

maybe that's all the GPU needs to do? Maybe it's actually limited on a different part of the GPU? Maybe it's an inherent limitation or design of the engine?

[frosty oriole]

Performance is still being heavily limited (or bottlenecked) by single threaded CPU performance.

[empty quartz]

Rate the $6 cad keyboard

[mellow cairn]

it's also not bottlenecked - because typically upgrading GPU will still result in increased performance

[gleaming rose]

or maybe the workload doesn't need 100% of the gou in the first place

[mellow cairn]

is it? You don't know that.

Also a patch could come out next week for the game and suddenly it uses 100% of the GPU and gets higher framerates.

or it uses 100% of the GPU and gets the SAME framerates

[frosty oriole]

If a single CPU thread is at 100% in games, almost all of the time that'll be where you're bound.

[mellow cairn]

or it used to use 100% of the GPU, now it uses 60%, and gets the SAME framerates - is it still a bottleneck?

[rapid quarry]

I love how the 5070 scores the same perf as the 7900XTX because why not be as bad as the cards that already suck at rt and be massively behind every other card in your generation

[hexed tapir]

It's not like we have well optimized games that will fully use the cpu and gpu

[rigid fjord]

look at minecraft, it only needs 1-2 cores on a cpu to run but doesn't even use the gpu tbh, or if when it does, it's a minor blip for the gpu to notice

[mellow cairn]

"a game is CPU bound in terms of upper limits" -> "omg my hardware is bottlenecked"

[south arrow]

It was alright but the space or enter bar is killing me

I can hears ittt

[frosty oriole]

That's not what I'm saying, lol.

[hexed tapir]

If it has more vram it would be better but it ran out 😢

[mellow cairn]

It literally is

[frosty oriole]

But okay, I'll let you guys have your opinions.

[south arrow]

But for $6 7/10 decent 8/10 for real clicky keys

[limpid dune]

IJTGC changes a lot of the drawing routines depending on whether you have more or less than 12GB VRAM, it's not exactly fair to benchmark them side-by-side

the game checks when you open it

[mellow cairn]

This is why it's by and for idiots - because it's a massive oversimplification that provides no useful outputs.

[rapid quarry]

Copied over from the forum:

[elder grotto]

Eh Apple charges 1200 dollars for the iPhone 16 Pro Max which has 8GB of ram

[gleaming rose]

apple has got to be a joke company

[sinful cobalt]

they’re feeding off the actual foundation steve built

[tulip sparrow]

FUCK ME!!! Just dropped my portable monitor onto its cables fromt he desk and now it no longer recvives a hdmi signal

[sinful cobalt]

On top of what steve made, they just threw shit at it and said “alr thats good enuf”

[rigid fjord]

nah that's tesla

[south arrow]

Feels mate

[tulip sparrow]

and I litterally just spent $470 yesterday on things for my PC

[mellow cairn]

oof that sucks

[mellow cairn]

My 8.9" monitor on my desk has stopped working 😦

[tulip sparrow]

I am now down to a single monitor again

[south arrow]

The double dang just one of those weeks

[hexed tapir]

No other display out ports?

[tulip sparrow]

@hexed tapir Single mini hdmi input and 2 USB-C ports

[rapid quarry]

On that note, my phone touchscreen won't cooperate with me now.

[south arrow]

Dooom intensifies see xD frig man. Sounds like everyones roughing it

[rapid quarry]

I believe it is possessed

[tulip sparrow]

You can see the damage to the hdmi port

[rapid quarry]

And on my mom's end: her phone updated bit a

bit ago and lost all her airtags

[tulip sparrow]

The minihdmi port is now crocked in the case

[hexed tapir]

Do they make protective cases for portable monitors?

[south arrow]

Oddly enough my pops called and told me his laptops no longer working or showing his hard drive everyones techs/luck on the fritz

[tulip sparrow]

Usually no

I think this was either my 3rd or 4th portable monitor

since about 2018

[hexed tapir]

One every 2 years

[rapid quarry]

What curse has Nvidia 50 series brought upon us?

[tulip sparrow]

yeah roughly for some stupid reason like this

[rigid fjord]

not directly but it's possible to use one for a tablet on some of hem

[tulip sparrow]

Weither its the ports breaking or the screen cracking by dropped

[hexed tapir]

Would a tablet+ case be an option?

[tulip sparrow]

As a "monitor" on windows/linux? not really

https://a.co/d/a4mljJw monitor in question

I use it mainly with my laptop but I was using it with my desktop since I had to give my secondary 24" to my step dad since he broke the screen on his AIO

Also the 24" monitor wouldn't fit on my current "desk" (its just one of those wall/back of the couch tables)

[random gyro]

raytracing 😭

[tulip sparrow]

Main monitor is 27"

[eternal cosmos]

so my pc is 3 degrees cooler with the glass on than with it off

[thin plover]

ok

[tulip sparrow]

Sounds about right sicne it is able to properly pull air through the fans

Monitor itself still works

[mellow cairn]

just no hdmi? only usb C?

[tulip sparrow]

yup

[mellow cairn]

unfortunate, but worse things have happened

[tulip sparrow]

Yeah I can use it for my phone and tablet still but not any HDMI devices like my PC/Laptop

[mellow cairn]

... you could simply use a DP or HDMI to USB C cable

[tulip sparrow]

Would that power the monitor as well or just do video?

[mellow cairn]

You can get one that does

[tulip sparrow]

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-C-Adapter-Thunderbolt-Compatible/dp/B083KTYFCW hopefully something like this will work

[frail delta]

PoE monitors 😋

[tulip sparrow]

The monitor does have 2 USB-C ports which is good

[tulip sparrow]

The FUQ?

[mellow cairn]

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0CMSV3195/

[rapid quarry]

Still cheaper than current options for 5090s💀

[hexed tapir]

External portable monitor case/frame gave me this great sponsored ad

[tulip sparrow]

FUCK ME!! Hate when this is a thing

[mellow cairn]

I have an extensive collection of converters and adapters

[hexed tapir]

USB c to c USB would be too simple

[mellow cairn]

yes, but it was an example

[tulip sparrow]

Can't do C out on my DESKTOP

If I could I wouldn't be complaining

[hexed tapir]

I don't think I ever seen a USB c to HDMI cable in person

[mellow cairn]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media-library-service-media/4a8af409-d0af-49e2-8c46-63a827cc29a0.__CR0,0,970,600_PT0_SX970_V1___.jpg

[tulip sparrow]

Right? It is usually the other way around @hexed tapir

[mellow cairn]

I have several 😄

My wfh setup uses two USB C to DP cables

my dock setup on my other setup uses USB C to HDMI for the main screen because 4k120

[tulip sparrow]

UGH!!! *Note: one-way chord, exclusively from USB-C host devices to HDMI displays.

[mellow cairn]

yes, this is the VAST majority of cables

[tulip sparrow]

Buried in the notes of the listing NEVER in the title

So this is going to be a while to find the CORRECT cable

[mellow cairn]

I have a VGA to HDMI to USB C setup, whjch allows me to use my portable monitor easily on servers

coworker has a rad GPD device with HDMI in

[rapid quarry]

Finding tech stuff outside of pcpartpicker will slowly have you descend into insanity. You don’t have to take my word for it

[mellow cairn]

https://www.amazon.com.au/fairikabe-DisplayPort-Unidirectional-Touchable-Projector

[hexed tapir]

Ffs I can't find any phone style portable monitor cases only the damn sleeves

[tulip sparrow]

Need to double check my GPU for mutiple DP ports https://www.amazon.com.au/AmazonBasics-Bi-Directional-USB-C-DisplayPort-Cable/dp/B081VK1KHV

[mellow cairn]

... pcpartpicker does not have USB C to HDMI cables 🙂

[rapid quarry]

I wish they did

[mellow cairn]

that is signal only, I would get a power+signal cable. Although I have spent literally hundreds of dollars reducing cables, so eh

[mellow cairn]

? my monitor came with a flip cover/stand

[tulip sparrow]

I have 2 c ports on the monitor so 2 cables isn't a problem for me

[rapid quarry]

Also laptops because I don’t want to do that song and dance fighting store search engines for what I am looking for

[mellow cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdBgJOqIZPg

[frail delta]

@tulip sparrow https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B081VK7Q94?ref_=mr_referred_us_au_au&th=1

[mellow cairn]

wrong. Two cables is the WORST

Unacceptable.

[frail delta]

The reason you can't go USB-C (DP) out to HDMI in is because HDMI is stupid

[mellow cairn]

oh boy howdy is it

[frail delta]

Displayport is not stupid and is backward compatible with HDMI

[tulip sparrow]

yeah posted that one need to double check my GPU for multiple DP outputs

[acoustic mantle]

How will the 9070xt compare to the 7900xtx? Which one will be faster for native gaming

[rapid quarry]

Inconclusive. We don't have enough definitive data

[viral osprey]

I computerd the computer

[acoustic mantle]

Gotcha, thanks

[tulip sparrow]

Ok look like DP to C cable will work as it looks like I have 3DP ports and a single HDMI port on my 3070 Ti

So that is good won't have to dig around looking for HDMI TO USB-C

[frail delta]

Lmao

[viral osprey]

I got a lot of those laying around

[tulip sparrow]

UGH!!! Damn it Amazon why does it have to be OUT OF BLOODY STOCK???

and why do the rest of them have to be BLOODY $30+++?

[hexed tapir]

Could spend $50 on Amazon or AliExpress on a new 15 inch 1080p portable monitor

[tulip sparrow]

1m is roughly 3 feet right?

[rapid quarry]

I guess

[hexed tapir]

M is a little more than a yard

[frail delta]

Google does exist

[tulip sparrow]

and a yard is 3 feet lol

[frail delta]

Or Bing!

[rapid quarry]

that too

[hexed tapir]

3.2 feet finders

[tulip sparrow]

https://www.amazon.com.au/Cable-Matters-DisplayPort-USB-C-Supporting/dp/B0BN6S3ZNV

NM out of stock as well

Why is everything out of bloody stock?

[viral osprey]

Do not do that

It probably sucks

[hexed tapir]

Au links

Unless your Australian

[viral osprey]

And it probably isn’t battery powered

[frail delta]

You're looking at amazon.com.au

[tulip sparrow]

Why the heck am I in the AU?

[viral osprey]

Plane

[frail delta]

Because you clicked my upside-down link

[hexed tapir]

Top lime infected your links

[tulip sparrow]

Ok MUCH better on pricing

[tulip sparrow]

DAMN you

[mellow cairn]

because I am in the AU

well, and him

[rapid quarry]

Multiply the links by (cos(pi)+isin(pi)) to fix their orientation

[tulip sparrow]

https://www.amazon.com/Capshi-DisplayPort-Thunderbolt-Display-32-4Gbps/dp/B0D6QJ839M are these normally bi directional or uni directional?

[rapid quarry]

Edit: Australia is imaginary so instead of pi do pi/2 to right the links

[tulip sparrow]

UGH!!!

Looks like I am going to be stuck biting the bullet and snagging the short amazon basics cable for $14

[viral osprey]

Protecting the gtx 980 with my life🙏

[tulip sparrow]

Hopefully it is long enough

[rapid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/drill-locksmith-lockpicking-gif-18258123

[viral osprey]

Would want the 980?

[tulip sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/daniel-lock-gif-22726983

Zero need for a drill LOL

[viral osprey]

The lock you are using is the…

[floral osprey]

"today on lock picking lawyer i'm going to show you how to pick a masterlock with another masterlock"

[tulip sparrow]

Rake and done

[rapid quarry]

Couldn't find a good Mc Nally gif

[viral osprey]

Fr

[tulip sparrow]

I scrolled farther down for that particular one LOL

[naive moth]

Isn't this data under embargo

[tulip sparrow]

Power consumation?

I assume just the RAW performance numbers would be

[viral osprey]

Is the gtx 980 even good at all?

[tulip sparrow]

Understandable by the 5090 isn't listed LOL

600+watts

and melting cables

@viral osprey use to be good

not so much anymore

[viral osprey]

Damn.

https://tenor.com/view/linus-ltt-linus-tech-tips-gif-7711731185338811151

[tulip sparrow]

My 970 was still rocking 1080p@60 just fine performance wise BUT was crashing thanks to the lack of VRAM onboard

[viral osprey]

Well I have it in my theater rig

[naive moth]

Sapphire 9070 XT

[hexed tapir]

Amd website already has it

[frigid merlin]

is a geforce 7200 gs a good gpu?

[viral osprey]

My gaming rig has twin rx 580s

[floral osprey]

no

[frigid merlin]

what about a pentium 4?

[viral osprey]

Gaming.

[tulip sparrow]

LOL I was rocking a 7600 GS back in the day with my AMD Atholon 64bit X2 3800+ Socket 939 CPU

[eager panther]

Jealous! 😩 😭

[hexed tapir]

Thankfully the case isn't bolted down

[tulip sparrow]

That was back in like 2007 LOL

[viral osprey]

you want a power supply smashing your knee caps in?

[eager panther]

I was using an RX 580 in my main rig up until last year, paired with a 5900x.

[whole garden]

If you’re gonna hit him with the power supply, can I hit you with the computer?

[viral osprey]

Found this thing

[rapid quarry]

Please have it be msrp.

[viral osprey]

Nuh uh

[whole garden]

come onnnn

[random gyro]

Is that a 5090

[tulip sparrow]

Ok I am going to go lay down and watch some anime before I fall asleep here

[viral osprey]

Totally

[floral osprey]

i remember when you could get those for like $100 (and they were still relevant). we have gone downhill as a society 🥲

[random gyro]

Wowza how did you get one 🤩🤩🤩

[naive moth]

but there is no MSRP as amd isn't selling the reference cards so the prices they have put out are just Suggested Estimated Price

[viral osprey]

Uhm 128 megabytes of vram

[rapid quarry]

MSRP is MSRP regardless of if they actually released a card

[random gyro]

That's enough to run chatgpt 4o 🤪🤪🤪

[viral osprey]

I can play gta six

[floral osprey]

consider: loooooooooooong gpu

[solemn tendon]

hey, i need help identifying a problem
a friend recently assembled a pc with a 8700g and it's using the integrated gpu for a while
and a couple days ago randomly some white specks appear on the screen just like those radiation filters that camera gets when it's exposed to something radioactive
there are no "regular" artifacts
the pc is running at fairly low temps
we tried to switch monitors and hdmi cables
what the heck can it be? we considered a faulty igpu but we cannot test otherwise

[viral osprey]

Wait can that connector work in modern slots?

[floral osprey]

no

[naive moth]

but there is no MSRP its a Suggested Estimated Price so AMD is estimating what they will be

[viral osprey]

Gawd dammit

[solemn tendon]

i found a video of similar error happening
i don't know if i can post links tho

[eager panther]

Have you tried resetting the BIOS to defaults?

[rapid quarry]

Still a suggestion. So my point stands

[solemn tendon]

yeah, nothing happened
we're considering that it might be a shitty hdmi cable

[eager panther]

That could be, too. I have a second-hand RX 6700xt where the HDMI port is faulty, but only on the BIOS screen.

[solemn tendon]

hm, maybe

[inland perch]

whats the rest of the PCB for? 😭

[floral osprey]

it fits into a security bracket on the motherboard

[inland perch]

ohh

[floral osprey]

this gpu came from a power mac g4, and because apple, it's weird

[inland perch]

oh,quite understandable 😭

[floral osprey]

yeah

[rapid quarry]

To put your drink somewhere of course!

[inland perch]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[stoic nova]

Deshroudin ram

[inland perch]

ayo

why

[stoic nova]

Big fat CPU cooler

Moving first fan up for this shroud prevents side panel from closing

[wispy thunder]

your fault for buying vengeance

T-create exists, is A die, and has a proper LP heatsink

[outer marlin]

Gaming on a gt 730

[hexed tapir]

Hitch hiker thumb

[left dove]

ahh the spare torx chassis screws

thats how I know this case is from the early '00's

[stoic nova]

Those are actually on the DDR5 leap shopping cart. I don't know jack shit about memory latency, but seen price comparable stuff from kingbank with much lower cas latency. Got a take on that?

[barren breach]

Absolute best bang for buck CPU cooler for a i5 6600 with a high chance of upgrading to a i7 6700k in the future?

[mellow cairn]

anything you can find in the ewaste clearance section

any cooler that costs more than $5 won't be worth it

[hard wren]

is the Thermalright TR-TPFX850-W a good psu? lowk cant find anything info on it

[solid quail]

Put together this optiplex attrosity.
Asus dual Gtx 1660super evo
I7 2600
16GB DDR3
256GB NVMe SSD as a Windows drive

[distant flame]

Hey I’m asking this cause I’ve been trying to fix this for weeks and can’t figure it out my laptop is stuck at 0.39 ghz I tried reinstalling windows going to Linux etc and can’t fix it Linux worked better but it was still slow it’s the Lenovo legion 5 15ARH05 please help me

[cosmic viper]

hi guys, i want to play monster hunter wilds with some emulators up(LD player) which should i get for cpu 7950X3D or 9800X3d?

[solid quail]

Have you checked the temperatures in hwinfo? Also #1027757333117415424 is the correct channel

[distant flame]

Ok I have it’s not throttling I’ve checked and I’ll look there

[livid mason]

Downloading GTA V Enhanced

Gonna check out the RT and DLSS

[solid quail]

Not the greatest speeds, but still a lot faster and snappier than SATA

Kinda want to test the 512GB kioxia Or the WD Black I have lying around to see if they are any faster

[latent gull]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-hotdog-wizard-cat-hot-dog-gif-1543345772037504734

Hotdog car

[stoic nova]

Really different use case cpus

[cosmic viper]

i just need something that can handle both but im leaning on 9800x3d

[stoic nova]

Yeah go for that.

[stoic nova]

All a 7950x3d could do better than in your emulation use case is RPCS3 PPU module compilation.

[cosmic viper]

also do i get more fps in wilds using 9800x3d at 1080p? im currently at 1440p with 4070tis

[stoic nova]

More than likely unless you're coming from...like. a 12700k or 5700x3d

[cosmic viper]

im curerntly at r5 7600

[inland perch]

this is the price of 5090 in my country,thats 2900 USD

in my country,we can either buy this gpus from amazon or...we cant.

[cosmic stratus]

still working on rebar being added to my bios lol

[stoic nova]

My man can read hex.

Dude can godmode software

[inland perch]

i wish 50 series never existed.

[tardy bear]

firefox, here i come!

[inland perch]

i hope firefox keeps their promise and not get rid of it

😭 btw you can also use ublock origin lite

works the same

[frail delta]

Edge :)

[tardy bear]

whats it got over firefox?

[frail delta]

Chromium based

So shit actually works

[tardy bear]

got it

[stoic nova]

Hella telemetry. Ham fisted AI features. Bloated interface.

And maybe a few somewhat useful windows integrations

[gleaming rose]

not really

[frail delta]

...

[primal pagoda]

bro call of duty is gonna eat throug hmy storage

a day will come when it will be 1TB

[frigid merlin]

then dont play cod. Problem solved

[brave cradle]

https://www.amazon.com/CLX-Set-Gaming-Desktop-Processor/dp/B0C2RL6N2K/ref=sr_1_5?sr=8-5 this my pc i wanna get better ram can someone recommend me some

[primal pagoda]

nah

[stoic nova]

Personally I advocate for Floorp or Zen (if you can tolerate vertical tabs)

Fireforks a-plenty

[left dove]

I have done the unthinkable

I downgraded to 2 displays

[cosmic stratus]

I FUCKING DID IT LETS GOOOO

uhh is bar 1 supposed to be 256

https://tenor.com/view/mmhmm-mmhm-gif-8299952145522411766

[cosmic stratus]

I DID IT AND IT WORKS WELL!!

115-120fps vs 130-140fps

this means intel arc gpus are now an option for me!

[coarse maple]

good deal or scam lol

i guess we shall see

[carmine yew]

Okay price, since the 5080 is 1k (in theory)

[stark spear]

Guys should I go for 9070XT

I would be playing at 1440p

[coarse maple]

most of the other ones were quite a bit more expensive, maybe this guy just was ahead of the curve and it was priced to sell and its not a scam? i know not to contact him off ebay and how to dispute it if it is a scam so should be good

[stark spear]

Mid to high settings

[hexed tapir]

Buying a last gen card for near MSRP

[stark spear]

I think it should be fine

[carmine yew]

Wait for tomorrow and the review

[stark spear]

Cause theoretically the 9070XT is a slightly better or will be a better 7800XT

[stark spear]

Oh ok yeah

[hexed tapir]

It's for sure way better then a 7800xt

[carmine yew]

Cuz all we have are hints and rumors

[coarse maple]

alright well i cant get current gen for MSRP and "current gen" is like not even a week old lmao

[carmine yew]

(And may or may not be useful amd slides)

[stark spear]

What about not XT then just the 9070 how would you compare that to a 7800XT

[carmine yew]

The non xt looks like ass from the specs alone

[hexed tapir]

The 7900gre was better than the 7800xt and amd claims a up to 40% uplift in performance over the 7900gre

[stark spear]

Ahhh so that’s why the rumoured prices are so high

[stoic nova]

Spec sheet based prediction is....like 10% of what you can rely on in prelaunch. Personally. Todays GPU market is fucked.

Got my 7900xt for $640 just shy of a year ago

[stark spear]

I’ll never believe rumours like these

[carmine yew]

600? You kidding?

Msrp is 600

[stoic nova]

Still. Wouldn't hold your breath about even getting one

[stark spear]

Well that’s like lots in $AUD

[carmine yew]

Well AUD has its own bullshit taxes and shizzle

[hexed tapir]

If you won the emu war things would be cheaper

[stark spear]

Only thing I don’t like about Australia is our currency is cooked

[stark spear]

Well we didn’t because they were armed

[sinful cobalt]

9070xt shld be playing 1440p ultra settings

[stoic nova]

Smrt

[hexed tapir]

Old data, also the 5070= 4070super the 9070xr will be plenty good for 1440p

[stark spear]

I just want my first PC already I know so much and enjoy everything besides decoding annoying marketing terms and saving money

How accurate do you guys think the rumoured prices are because I can never trust rumoured prices

[grave obsidian]

goodmorning guys. i want to get 650w psu. i will use it probly for 3060-3060ti-3070-4070 do you think is enough?

[grizzled frost]

yes

[stark spear]

Yeah

[rapid quarry]

ye

[grave obsidian]

which budget psu should i get i have 2 options: fps hv pro and msi a650bn

[carmine yew]

Getting it from a channel vendor? Should be accurate

[limpid dune]

what if nvidia made a unit that could process graphics

[grizzled frost]

check reviews

[eternal cosmos]

dont cheap out on psu, get something thats on the cult list at the very least

[stark spear]

What if NVIDIA made a consumer product

[grizzled frost]

nah they just do networking

[limpid dune]

nvidia makes great AI mainframes, they should consider selling some GPUs

[grave obsidian]

actually right now using other pc with msi a550bn theres no problem. can i go again?

[stark spear]

I don’t understand getting a “budget” PSU I swear all the good wattage and good name brand PSU aren’t expensive at all

[stoic nova]

Back in my day....we had an Nvidia GPU rendering graphics and another one dedicated to physics. 🧓

[grizzled frost]

what about the other two

[stark spear]

Extra VRAM

[stoic nova]

Them chatgpts not leveraging phyx cards smhn

[forest lotus]

i want MXM modules back.

there was no reason other then money for them to be removed.

[stark spear]

MXM?

[forest lotus]

swappable laptop gpus

[stark spear]

Oh

[forest lotus]

also socketed cpus for laptops would be lit again

[stark spear]

How long ago were they standard

[grave obsidian]

guys

MSI MAG A650BN IS GOOD?

[stoic nova]

Imagine a gpu board partner that just gave you a heatsink with 120mm fan mounts

[forest lotus]

iirc last i saw for MXM was gtx 10 series?

nope RTX20 has them

[stark spear]

What’s the next big thing in GPU development

[left dove]

idk uh

hbm4

[stoic nova]

Software gimmicks to pawn off the AI tech to gamers

[stark spear]

Cause aren’t we pretty limited in terms of die size

Or am I tweaking

[left dove]

You can make a die as big as you want

[stoic nova]

Size non factor

[stark spear]

Bro I swear the AI stuff is so annoying

[left dove]

but in the end it's about yield per disc

[forest lotus]

its funny. uhh. the GTX1080M is faster then the 2080Max Q

the other 2080 mobile chips are non MXM so they are excluded

[jaunty apex]

Bro what

[stark spear]

I meant like most power possible while still making it smaller like more power per unit squared or whatever I’m probably on to nothing

[stoic nova]

Give it like. 4 more years.

[jaunty apex]

Are you fucking high

[stoic nova]

A lil yea

[left dove]

yes

[stoic nova]

Ay

[jaunty apex]

same tbh.

[left dove]

I'm always high fuck you mean

[jaunty apex]

But this is bullshit

[stoic nova]

That's the vibe

[stoic nova]

That's a pretty nice error message won't lie

Seen funnier

[sleek ibex]

IDEK where I'm at half the time

[forest lotus]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-mobile.c3312 pair this with a I7 2960XE for the funny

[sleek ibex]

[ocean ether]

In case anyone missed it, he wants $300 lol.

[stark spear]

Bro

[stoic nova]

As long as you can pretend you know what you're doing I see no problem

[stark spear]

Ain’t no way

[ocean ether]

Swear

[stark spear]

That’s crazy

[stark spear]

Who sat on bros GPU

[stoic nova]

This seems like a better use of 300$ for something that got sat on every day

[forest lotus]

i wonder if my old dell precision could handle a 150w MXM module

id have to make sure i have the rest of the laptop in a pretty efficient state.

but i like funny actually bulletproof laptop

[stoic nova]

100% fan speed till the laptop can no longer be on your lap without giving you 3rd degree burns if the AC brick doesn't shit out first

[gilded thistle]

What time is the 9070 reviews going live

[forest lotus]

with the amount of metal this thing has its gonna take ALOT

[worldly abyss]

Name brand doesn't equal good

[stoic nova]

What does?

I'll give you it. Warranties

[grave obsidian]

ID Cooling FROZN A410 good cooler?

[stoic nova]

And who gives good warranties

Name brands.

[stark spear]

Ok but like a commonly bought Corsair 850W power supply isn’t gonna blow up

There’s not really a reason to try and cheap out on a PSU

They aren’t expensive

[worldly abyss]

They're more likely to than a lot of cheaper stuff

[stoic nova]

Oh really

[stark spear]

That makes zero sense

[worldly abyss]

The fact you can get better ones for cheaper certainly is a reason

[stoic nova]

He pulled that out his ass

[forest lotus]

wait can the CAN/USA tarrif impact shipping like a package as a gift WTF?

[stark spear]

So cheap no brand means not gonna explode

Ah yes….

[worldly abyss]

Rme uses a low life span sleeve bearing fan that for most users would put the PSU out of commission if it fails. A thermal take gf1 is often cheaper for example and is both better electrically, and in the sense it uses a more reliable fan

[stoic nova]

What I can say about cheap psus

Cheap fans.

[worldly abyss]

Big brand doesn't mean good

[stoic nova]

Cheap fans are loud.

[worldly abyss]

A lot of the cheaper big brands psus are actually more guilty of cheaping out on fans

[stoic nova]

Cheap psus can have....cheap inductors.

Cheap inuctors. Can vibrate loudly

[worldly abyss]

Again, not inherently

[stark spear]

Ok but like if your buying something of a common market brand that sells it’s not going to explode

[worldly abyss]

It's about the model and design

[stoic nova]

I'm matching your ambiguity

[stark spear]

It will be completely fine

[worldly abyss]

Not the price , not the brand

[worldly abyss]

This assumption is just wrong

[stark spear]

These companies don’t just intentionally make PSU models prone to exploding

[stoic nova]

Honoring good warranties is expensive as hell

[worldly abyss]

No company makes models prone to exploding

But some models are more likely to

[stark spear]

Ok

[worldly abyss]

And those models often times from big brands can cost more than less likely to fail models

[stark spear]

But my point is your not saving that much money by buying something other than what everyone else is

[worldly abyss]

For the same quality? Yes you sure as hell are

[stark spear]

You don’t really need to get a cheap PSU

[stoic nova]

If you buy your PSU at a best buy or similar...you can get a new one the same day yours hypothetically exploded

[worldly abyss]

Rmx I'd say is comparable to a gf1 and theyre often nearly double the price

[stark spear]

If you can afford a whole PC but not a PSU what’s the point

[stoic nova]

What psus does best buy sell. Corsairs

[worldly abyss]

And they less Razer mice

Doesn't mean a thing. Best buy selling a bad product doesn't fix it

[stoic nova]

They also sell Logitech MX master mice there

[worldly abyss]

Also bad

[stoic nova]

Which is the best mouse on the market objectively

[worldly abyss]

Actually, arguably worse

[worldly abyss]

If the market was an eating contest

[stoic nova]

Implying being fat makes a heavier mouse less heavy

Odd

[worldly abyss]

I'm implying they're overweight as hell for their size relative to other cheaper options

None of the big brands make good mice

[frail delta]

Yes...

[stoic nova]

If you're not a valorant or cs2 player I don't see the problem

[worldly abyss]

Same with keyboards

[stark spear]

Ok what

[worldly abyss]

Same with basically anything infact

The bigger the brand the more you're paying for name almost always

[stark spear]

Yes but at the same time you aren’t gonna get a no name because they often don’t have reviews or any publicity

[worldly abyss]

But that's not the discussion now isnit

[stark spear]

You can’t just intentionally avoid all brand names entirely

[worldly abyss]

If you want to say don't get unreviewed psu that's fine

Don't get small brands is just ignorance speaking though

[stoic nova]

Eh. Hard to find a custom keyboard enthusiast that spent less than your average Cheeto dusted blue switch gaming keyboard user

[worldly abyss]

The assumption big brands mean good psus is also ignorance speaking

[stoic nova]

Good is relative

Not objective

[worldly abyss]

I see you don't know the first thing about keyboards

[stark spear]

I would say similar for a mouse I’m not gonna go buy a brand literally no one has heard of just because I’ll save 45 bucks or something

[worldly abyss]

Keyboard perf per $ literally peaks under $100

[stoic nova]

You fail to give examples in every "supporting" statement you've made

[worldly abyss]

Arguably best perf per $ imo is hi75 and that's a $50 CNC aluminum board

[stoic nova]

Oh there we go

Finally.

[worldly abyss]

In what?

I have an example of the biggest and most popular Corsair psu having a massive issue relative to a cheaper better thermal take psu

[stoic nova]

Massive issue?

[worldly abyss]

I gave this example

[stoic nova]

How massive

[worldly abyss]

What example haven't I given?

[stark spear]

I don’t agree with buying $300 mice or keyboards but I’m not gonna buy something no one even knew existed

[stoic nova]

Before you said razer mice nothing

[worldly abyss]

I'd say using a sleeve bearing fan on a psu is a pretty massive issue

[worldly abyss]

Sure, I'll elaborate

[coarse forge]

Any decent durable 1tb nvmes

[stoic nova]

Most cases on the market preinstalled fans are these

[coarse forge]

???

[stoic nova]

And that's a massive issue?

[forest lotus]

CRINGE

[stoic nova]

RM850X (most popular PSU) has an FDB btw

[worldly abyss]

The whole v3 line uses proprietary switches with a weak actuation feel and sound that makes them feel like membranes while costing more than mice using the same paw 3950 sensor that are lighter by a margin of around 2-3x and running at similar prices to magnesium and carbon fiber counter parts

[frail delta]

They voted for it :)

[worldly abyss]

Is that good enough?

[forest lotus]

im not american

i think its cringe

[frail delta]

I said they, not you :)

[worldly abyss]

No, most psus use fdb or ball bearing fans

[stoic nova]

No disagreement there.

But that's the selling point. It's silent

[forest lotus]

fair still.

i dislike

[sleek ibex]

[worldly abyss]

Which tend to be much more reliable and less likely to die from dust

[limpid dune]

I've just been buying straight from Taiwanese brands in Canada, no tariffs here 🤣

[worldly abyss]

The click isn't silent, it's just mushy...

Stretched out feeling

[stoic nova]

Eh. Beg to differ. Still would define as "plenty tactile"

The frequency of a gpro is so high it's almost irritating to go back to

[worldly abyss]

Rmx isn't rme. Rmx line is actually pretty good used, but new it's usually very overpriced

[stoic nova]

I'll agree here. Yea

[sleek ibex]

More than half of the population can't read above a 6th grade level so can't you blame 'em?

[worldly abyss]

And again, that's what happens when you buy big brands

[stoic nova]

Reliable warranties?

[worldly abyss]

You pay for name... Hence why it's a good idea to buy based off what you get and not brand

[stark spear]

I agree with that

Don’t buy it just because it’s from a certain company

[worldly abyss]

You're new to warranty claims if you think big brands mean good support or warranties

You're especially new to the PC space if you believe that

[stoic nova]

Eh. Something reassuring about the idea of a 5+ year free replacement if anything goes wrong just appeals to me.

But...I buy Corsair psus and noctua fans

[stark spear]

But to an extent if the product and pricing are basically identical I would buy whatever has better reviews or has been bought more and I’ve heard of

[stoic nova]

This was pleasantly forward moving chat until you felt like throwing this one out

[worldly abyss]

Both are overpriced usually and aren't the only things in the world with warranties...

You can enjoy them though

But don't argue people should get them cause why get smaller brands

Cause the answer is simply they're usually better and cheaper

[stark spear]

I’m curious as to what your setup is because you seem to just call like everything anyone knows of overpriced

[stoic nova]

Smaller brand in the PC space usually translated to....eastern nations to put it bluntly

[stoic nova]

You're especially new to the PC space if you believe that

[worldly abyss]

Not at all

Would you say ekwb is bigger or techN

And on the electronic side it's almost all from eastern nations

Corsair doesn't make their psus In a log cabin in Michigan

[stoic nova]

Not the argument here

[worldly abyss]

They buy them from oems like great wall and super flower

[stoic nova]

Sure.

[stark spear]

Yeah but not everyone wants to research like exactly the beast cheapest oem product you can find

[clear canyon]

thats dope

[latent pasture]

isnt there actually no western only brand
maybe evga

[worldly abyss]

Which is fine

[stark spear]

If it’s in someone’s budget and they have heard of the company and it has decent reviews people are going to buy it

[sleek ibex]

PNY

[worldly abyss]

But don't complain about people not buying the big brand

Cause again, big brands has 0 correlation with good

[stoic nova]

The point is the big brand offers expedient and reliable support for that.

This whole thing is strawman

[worldly abyss]

Big brands don't offered reliable support in most cases

[clear canyon]

normally they get big bc of their products being good

not all

but some

[worldly abyss]

And I'd argue almost never more reliable support than the smaller boutique brands

[stark spear]

No I’m just saying I don’t see the reason to need to look for a budget PSU because most PSUs on the market aren’t expensive

[stoic nova]

Where's this "most cases" statement come from

[worldly abyss]

Normally it's because marketing

[stoic nova]

That's very declarative