tech-chat-1

[clear walrus]

The driver support is plenty good. RTX is kinda BS anyways

[upper pier]

AMD is just not an option for me
i'll be working with CUDA and RTX a lot

[clear walrus]

i bought a 4070 super and i regret getting it over a 7900 gre but to each there own ig

[upper pier]

you can call 4x framegen BS, but ever since 30 series, RTX has been revolutionary, gotta give credit where its due

[clear walrus]

i mean 3090 and 4070 take shots at each other but 3090 is still better

the vram makes it worth it

[upper pier]

is the more vram worth it over framegen ?

[latent pasture]

yes

[vivid pendant]

Credit

[clear walrus]

yes

[upper pier]

and i mean it was a popular mining card aswell

[vivid pendant]

The 5090 is better than 4090 in games
5080 beats 4080 and 4080 super even if not by a lot

It's still faster. Still an improvement

[latent pasture]

you said this
the apps that requires cuda and rtx also wants more vram
unless you were just saying this bc u wanted nvidia for no reason and to put down amd
bc gaming and vram wise, amd is better lol

[clear walrus]

i doubt the 5070 will be that hard to get your hands on

[vivid pendant]

We'll tcsm had an earthquake

[clear walrus]

ig but it didnt damage the facility

[vivid pendant]

That's where the chips are made. So might actually be quite hard

[clear walrus]

the machines just needed recalibration thats all

[vivid pendant]

Have they finished that

[clear walrus]

a few batches might have been messed up

[vivid pendant]

I want that 5090 zotac amp infinity extreme

[clear walrus]

i havent kept up with it

[vivid pendant]

It's so pretty.

[upper pier]

I am literally on an AMD card right now, I've seen the lack of driver support lol
Many games run better on the Nvidia alternative of its generation (its very old though)

Point is, i'll be working with ray tracing in UE5 and AI with CUDA

[vivid pendant]

I have the gigabyte gaming OC 5090

[upper pier]

AMD isn't an option for me, or for any creator
Its just that 3090 has more vram over framegen
framegen would be worth it as it just "magically" increases fps lol idk

[thorn pewter]

kingpin 5090 would be nice

[upper pier]

i'll be doin 1440p maximum tho

[latent pasture]

is this an r9 390 lmao
bc even something as old as rx 480 is better today than its counterpart at that time (1060)

[upper pier]

yeah if they actually put it in stock

[upper pier]

spot on lol, but more older
r9 280 💀

[clear walrus]

if the man wants nvidia let the man get nvidia

[upper pier]

well i'm not looking for "max performance per dollar" type build for gaming

i want the creator features that nvidia domninates in

[upper pier]

man need nvidia, man happi

lol

nah fr dont sell me on AMD, not gonna work
just tell me which is better, used 3090 or new 4070

[latent pasture]

used 3090

[clear walrus]

are 9800x3ds still reselling

[latent pasture]

4070 non super/ti is only 3080 level perf

[violet robin]

best speedtest website?

[clear walrus]

for internet speed ookla

[vivid pendant]

I'm gonna cry

[upper pier]

it could be used for mining, right?
and even if its not, how much expected life does it have? like how long before it stops working

[vivid pendant]

I would have bought an EVGA without question

[violet robin]

bro i was just 120mbps speed and now its 4 (download)

[clear walrus]

i have an evga 1080 ti

[upper pier]

I looked up 4070 super btw
3090 is $50 more expensive than 4070 super

[vivid pendant]

That card is beautiful

[clear walrus]

its the FTW3 hybrid too

its been with me for years

i got it when they first released

[wispy thunder]

what can 7900GRE do that a 7800XT can't?

[clear walrus]

its just slightly better performance

for like $20 difference

[vivid pendant]

I was considering 2 3090tis in SLI from EVGA cuz they just good but I went 5090

[clear walrus]

https://www.newegg.com/p/0GA-01GD-00123?Item=9SIAX4CK3Z8938

I bought the non OEM slightly shady newegg listing well see how it goes

[clear canyon]

Duel 3090tis are useless unless it's for ai

[upper pier]

SLI works with 3090?

[clear canyon]

Yes, 3090 and 3090ti is the last cards to support sli

[upper pier]

No way? I thought it died long ago
I mean the support from developers has to have already died before

[clear canyon]

It only died for gaming, its still used on server stuff

[upper pier]

Yeah but workstation gpus are a better option for server stuff anyway
Btw what alternative to SLI do those server workstation gpus have?

[upper pier]

Thats so cool

[clear canyon]

That's not true, its all depending on its peformance and a gaming cpu can 100% be a workstation gpu

[clear canyon]

The power draw is stupid lmao

But it's very clean

I want to get me a 2nd 3090 for sli

[crisp tartan]

Guys I had a pc laying around and I can't find the plug that goes into the PSU

Can I just buy one of Amazon? I'm not sure what psu I have

[clear canyon]

Yes, they all use the same outlet cable

[crisp tartan]

Does wattage or all of that stuff matter?

[clear canyon]

No

They are all the same

[crisp tartan]

So this should be fine

https://amzn.asia/d/44vA9Y1

[vivid pendant]

I think it changes with like 1200+ watt ones doesn't it? For cable gauge

[gusty wagon]

lol amd

as secondary

[limber nacelle]

depends on what you're using it for

[limber nacelle]

nvlink :^)

[clear canyon]

That's sli lmao

[limber nacelle]

a6000 also had nvlink too, iirc

[limber nacelle]

no, they're nuanced

[plain cypress]

Gonna need 2 of those to play some crysis

I can't actually name any SLI supported games

[limber nacelle]

sli works differently than nvlink

[plain cypress]

Is crysis one

[upper pier]

wdym "gaming cpu can be a workstation gpu" ?

[upper pier]

Yeah lol I can imagine

[clear canyon]

That was a typo

[plain cypress]

10 series introduced high bandwidth SLI bridge?

[limber nacelle]

they just do p2p via pcie now

[cyan latch]

I dislike forums for this reason but anyone know how to fix this?

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1337988204988727468

[limber nacelle]

also i'd disagree, workstation gpus have features that are noticeably absent from the geforce lineup

it's fine for prosumers but

[clear canyon]

They can still be a workstation gpu

[upper pier]

UE5 with or without raytracing at 1440p
Running AI models locally (from 7b-13b)
Tinker with and create small custom models (and train them)

[limber nacelle]

3090 easily then

[latent pasture]

ur not doing ai shit on 12gb vram lol

[clear canyon]

Alot of vram

[clear canyon]

You can on small models

[vivid pendant]

Just get a 5090 (I'm JK lol)

[latent pasture]

even 4080 is mid for ml because even tho the processor is good its choked by "only" 16gb

[fallen sky]

Rip new driver support for 9 and 10 series

[clear canyon]

You can do a 4b model on 12gigs

[fallen sky]

Open source is a thing tho

Are 40 series cards actually getting discontinued

[upper pier]

ohh u mean that
nvidia skimps on vram for gaming gpus
all of that extra vram goes in workstation gpus
they have double the vram from their gaming counterparts

idk i think its h100 with 48 gigs meanwhile 4090 only has 24

[vivid pendant]

The h100 also costs 20k

[limber nacelle]

the difference between sli and nvlink is that sli uses a master-slave relationship and can't pool vram, meanwhile nv-link is bidirectional (and allows for vram pooling)

[clear canyon]

The 90 class doesn't tho lol

[limber nacelle]

i'm sure it's deeper than that but

that's the gist of it

[ocean axle]

UE5
literally a game engine
running models
needs vram
make your own models
see above needs vram

[upper pier]

12 gb should be enough for 7b models
but disregarding the AI stuff, is more vram still important for UE5 ?

[upper pier]

could be mined on + is 2 generations old now + no framgenm

[ocean axle]

the H100 isn't a workstation card

[limber nacelle]

meh

[latent pasture]

buy ls for $3 and get ur own frame gen

[shell arrow]

Why cant popular game youtubers stop being exposed for ###### how hard is it to not text minors 🙏 😭

[upper pier]

yeah they just want extra money from industries too lol
big companies dont care about paying 20k for a gpu when its efficient and does the task they wanna do

[limber nacelle]

they usually trade off faster ram for capacity and ECC

[limber nacelle]

ok and?

[upper pier]

idk much about the terms

[upper pier]

and power consuption lol

[limber nacelle]

meh

[ocean axle]

then dont make claims that rely on you knowing the terms?

[limber nacelle]

personally I'd rather have a 3090

[upper pier]

I dont want a pc sucking the entire house load lol

[latent pasture]

its like +100w over 4070super r u that afraid

[limber nacelle]

you seem to want a 4070 super, so buy that then

[latent pasture]

you can just power limit if u want efficiency
you cant give 4070 more vram

[limber nacelle]

nah in reality, the 4070 draws a lot less but

yes, the vram is the key point i'd focus on

[upper pier]

i wasnt making a claim based on the terms
I was just differentiating gaming gpus from the other gpus they make

[limber nacelle]

ada power consumption is great

[ocean axle]

most workstation cards are literally their gaming cards, binned better, with more vram, and different drivers

[limber nacelle]

i think my 4070ti used to draw like, something like half of the power my 3090 did

[upper pier]

100w only for gpu is a lot
i'd also need a better CPU and cooling solution for all of that
its like literally a higher tier pc

[limber nacelle]

also ECC for their vram, but said vram is usually slower

[latent pasture]

you can reduce 3090 power consumption to a level ur fine with
now i ask can you add vram modules to 4070

[limber nacelle]

iirc the 6000 ada for example, has gddr6 and not 6x

so is slower than a 4090 in gaming

[upper pier]

yup thats true
i was just pointing out that they have more vram

[limber nacelle]

despite having more cores

[upper pier]

i'm not going to underclock / experiment with a $500 gpu lol

[limber nacelle]

dude it's just pulling down a slider

i used my 3090 at a 70% PL for the duration i had it for

[ocean axle]

most of the workstation variants are slower (in gaming), thats by design
they are deigned for stability first, and then capability (ie: vram amount)
also FP64 performance in some cases

[limber nacelle]

mmm

[upper pier]

and it doesn't impact anything else?
and when I need the power, i could just ramp it back up?

[limber nacelle]

i mean, it might be a bit slower, but it'll be a lot more efficient

and yes, you'd just reset it back to normal in whatever oc software you'd be using

[upper pier]

people use floating point 64? thats overkill lol

[ocean axle]

$500 gpu
glares at fucking with power play tables on my Vega

[limber nacelle]

like afterburner

[limber nacelle]

yer

[ocean axle]

for context, PPT isn't your normal OC settings, it would let you go beyond the software limits that keep you from exploding your card

[limber nacelle]

i'd love to have an a5000 if they weren't so gosh darn expensive

[ocean axle]

PPT was overwriting the volt/freq table and power limits the driver is using, so you could run well well in excess of normal power with it

[upper pier]

Yeah but I would have to do it every time I start working on game development or smth
is the default power plan really that inefficient? like when i'm on desktop, is it still inefficient?

[limber nacelle]

no, it's just a side effect of having 24 x 1gb ICs that guzzles even on idle

and it really never bothered me whilst working in UE5 that my card was at a 70% PL personally

[upper pier]

Ohh so even on idle, its gonna suck a lot more power?
what about 4070 super

[limber nacelle]

i found my 4070ti absolutely destroyed my 3090 for PPW

but i'd still personally would rather have a 3090

[upper pier]

btw what specifically are u tellin me to underclock? (i have no idea in overclocking)

[limber nacelle]

power limit

[upper pier]

ohh

[limber nacelle]

you don't even need to undervolt it, though you can

[upper pier]

but thats a more advanced tinkering, isnt it?

[limber nacelle]

yes, you'd need to make sure it's stable

unlike power limits which takes 0 effort

[upper pier]

interesting

[ocean axle]

yes? lots of things you run use fp64, just usually not on your GPU

[upper pier]

you've used ue5 right?
is the more vram actually worth it? does ue actually need more vram or better cpu? i've seen lotta people discuss that
i'd have to get a better cpu for the 3090 too

[ocean axle]

uint64 is also used a lot, like a lot a lot

[slender canyon]

real men use FP128

[limber nacelle]

it's really important for scientific models and simulations too iirc ^^

[ocean axle]

FP80 is where its at

FP64x2 also acceptable

[limber nacelle]

I mean yeah, I'm a 3d modeller & surfacing artist

I would say so yeah

you can get away with just doing more with more VRAM

[blazing onyx]

I'm about 3 seconds from strangling whoever decided automatic bios updates should be a thing

[limber nacelle]

it's ram, it doesn't really matter till you run out, but when you run out it fucking sucks

[slender canyon]

how else is dell suppose to meet there warranty denial quota

[upper pier]

for scientific research and simulations, it makes sense

[blazing onyx]

?

[narrow fractal]

Got the parts for my new PC, can’t wait to play cyberpunk!

[limber nacelle]

thing is older than some people in the chat, prob

[blazing onyx]

Gonna be playing cyberpunk at 2x1 resolution

[upper pier]

yeah but you can choose to not put 4k textures on everything lol
and realistically if i get 3090, i'd have to get a more powerful cpu than i'd have if going with 4070 super

[ashen tangle]

Uhhh should i get this?

[limber nacelle]

no you don't have to get a more power cpu if you get a more powerful gpu, who told you that

[rigid fjord]

@peak knotdo you know what kind of mineral oil is used for those that submerge their pc's ?

[limber nacelle]

probably a scam but a steal if it isn't

[upper pier]

you dont? it will bottleneck the 3090 but not the 4070 super

[ashen tangle]

yeah i think its too good to be true

[limber nacelle]

dude... bottlenecks aren't a big deal

it's literally a non issue

[upper pier]

im buying a new pc which i might not be upgrading for a long while

[narrow fractal]

Almost certainly

[upper pier]

i dont want it to have issues / bad decisions

[limber nacelle]

the bigger issue with 'bottlenecks' is that it usually stems from budgetary mismanagement

[blazing onyx]

Bottlenecks are made up by influencers because they lack what is known as common sense

[rigid fjord]

you need to erase that word from your brain, language and dictionart

[upper pier]

and definitely not bad pairing

[rigid fjord]

trouble is, it's always the user, never the pc parts

[blazing onyx]

The only "bottleneck" depends on the program you are using

[rigid fjord]

nah, it's always the user

[limber nacelle]

you can be literally gpu and cpu bottlenecked within the same frame that is rendering in game

[upper pier]

you sure? how about i just pop in the 3090 with my i5 4570 that i have right now 💀

[arctic kettle]

ok pairing an Athlon with 5090 (im trolling ofc)

[blazing onyx]

I have yet to see anything perfectly max out both

[limber nacelle]

i'd shove a 5090 in there if i was gonna upgrade the cpu later

[arctic kettle]

Imagine though?

[upper pier]

that cpu even bottlenecks r9 280 i have rn
not by much nor i mind it, but i would mind it if my new $1000 pc isnt pushing the most performance

[blazing onyx]

Don't, just, dont

[upper pier]

thats the point, i wont be upgrading the new pc for a long while

[blazing onyx]

Your wallet, wall outlet, and motherboard will thank you

[upper pier]

i want the pairing to be best

[limber nacelle]

again

[upper pier]

i wonder if the mobo will explode just by running 5090 lol

[arctic kettle]

?? why would it

[limber nacelle]

the real issue with bottlenecks is just that you probably just managed your budget awfully, but i'd take the fastest gpu and cpu i can get

[limber nacelle]

dude you need to go learn more about PCs

[upper pier]

idk like power draw or smth

[blazing onyx]

You don't have to worry about the motherboard exploding, from what I've heard it's the 5090's exploding lmfao

[arctic kettle]

💀

[upper pier]

lol

[arctic kettle]

power supply? whats that thingamabob?

[limber nacelle]

i thought it was the cables linking the different PCBs together on the FEs that's the issue

[upper pier]

that and now your gpu isnt being used to its potential

[arctic kettle]

Nothing is powered over pcie unless it is ultra low power.

[upper pier]

lol

[limber nacelle]

that's only if you run like some awful poverty resolution like 1080p

[arctic kettle]

[limber nacelle]

which you absolutely shouldn't be in the big 25

[upper pier]

everything used to be pcie powered back in the day, even gpus
good ol times

[tired geyser]

dose anybody like coding with c and wan to talk about it i am a beginner

[upper pier]

atleast back then they didnt explode lol

[limber nacelle]

and even with a 9800x3d, you'd still be cpu bottlenecked for a lot of titles at 1080p

god can they just ban the word bottleneck from this server already

[upper pier]

nobody like coding in C, even if someone does, they would rather not talk about it lol
C++ is little better but only when you're targeting the bare metal

[rigid fjord]

4090 btw

[rigid fjord]

cpu limited works better tbf

[limber nacelle]

ye but my point is it just doesn't really fucking matter unless you have some really god awful pairing

[upper pier]

that makes sense since you're at 4k and gpu cant push that many frames

[limber nacelle]

and even then like, it just depends on what you're doing with it

[upper pier]

not when you're doing game development or AI work

[limber nacelle]

dude you're just trying to justify buying a 4070 super to yourself at this point

verdict is, a 3090 will probably be the better option

[tired geyser]

do start with C++ i have to learn C first? what is how you learn first

[rigid fjord]

considering there's games and programs that either rely on cpu's or gpu's more so

[limber nacelle]

if you don't like that you don't have to listen man

[upper pier]

lol yeah thats true

[limber nacelle]

just buy whatever you want, it's your money

[dapper light]

if you can even find one lmao

[limber nacelle]

they're plentiful where i live, but they went up in price looool

i bought one for $750 a year ago

and now they're $1000

cad btw

[upper pier]

it depends on what languages you already know
if you know a couple, you could go directly C++ since you'd have more experience

[rigid fjord]

so, llm's, aka gpu limited due to them wanting 12gb+ vram gpu's most of the time

[upper pier]

i'm here to get advice bro chill

[dapper light]

i should've saved for a 3090 instead of 3080ti

[tired geyser]

and when if you learned one laguange, its easier to learn another one? or r they completely differnt

[ocean axle]

i generally work in C++, but i can probabl answer your questions

[upper pier]

3090? wdym I saw a listing for $550 online

idk if its legit tho

[limber nacelle]

^

[rigid fjord]

you're talking different countries markets though

[limber nacelle]

550 us is about what they run for in canadian anyways

oh no, it's a bit less

[ocean axle]

nobody like coding in C
many people do
C++ is little better
C++ is both better and worse, theres always nuance

[rigid fjord]

always getting screwed with them maple leaf's

[upper pier]

they are completely different yes, but its definitely easier to learn the second language
its like learning to drive a car, once u know how, you can adapt to drive any car model (even racing cars, EVs, or automatic)

[limber nacelle]

nah we had it good before

3090s were steadily going down in price

but then as blackwell launch got closer they suddenly skyrocketed

[ocean axle]

so what you are saying is, they aren't completely different?

[limber nacelle]

and i'm annoyed because i don't want to use turding anymore

[rigid fjord]

they've been bit of a disappointment to some, the blackwell cards that is

[arctic kettle]

Now I can't make an AI farm.

Deepseek has to run off of my gpu

[upper pier]

some are completely different, some are not
but that doesn't mean it'll be as hard to learn as learning the first language

[limber nacelle]

i just want more vram

for rendering and substance painter

[tired geyser]

alls i know is compiler and some tiny code in for the compiler

[viscid pewter]

Hello chat! Does anyone know whats the real world difference between a 8840HS, and a 8845HS?

[limber nacelle]

i don't even need a faster card, i'd upgrade my 2080Ti(s) if it weren't so expensive here to do so

[rigid fjord]

isn't it all bolean terms while having different phrasing for comp languages?

[ocean axle]

which ones would you say are completely different, which ones would you say aren't?

[upper pier]

wdym you compiler?

[random gyro]

one is 5 numbers higher than 8840

[viscid pewter]

thanks

[tired geyser]

compil;er is wha compile source code into machine code my techer teached me this

[arctic kettle]

I can't run the largest model without multiple gpus.

[tired geyser]

you need a compiler to in orber to code to run

[arctic kettle]

Not enough VRAM or system memory.

[limber nacelle]

is it just me or deepseek is like, the text version of yapdollar

[ocean axle]

yesn't

[arctic kettle]

Real.

[upper pier]

C# and Java are very similar
C# and C++ / C are very different
C++ and Python are very similar

and then there are some less common languages that are completely different

[tired geyser]

why id there so many

why did C keep making so many differenbt kinds was they just not happy and want to keep changing it how can they b so different

[arctic kettle]

Why wont it turn off.

Time to kill

[upper pier]

ohh i see
so you havent learnt a language yet? I wouldnt recommend C or C++ as your first language, they're really hard to learn first

[tired geyser]

:(( are you sure and also im use visual stuidio code is that good

[upper pier]

i just listed like 10% commonly used languages
there are so many more lol

dont worry about it tho, once u learn the first, you'll easily have many languages under your belt

[tired geyser]

thak you

[ocean axle]

C# and C++ are pretty similar, on a broader scale
python and C++ are both imperative languages, and thats about all they have in common

[arctic kettle]

ohhh, it waits 5 minutes after you send it a prompt before going night night.

I thought that was run time

read the docs folks

[upper pier]

yes, im sure, dont worry
visual studio has support for everything, its great for beginners
unless you have a lower end PC, i wouldnt call it a bad choice

[ocean axle]

they said visual studio code, not visual studio

[tired geyser]

which is easier to learn

[ocean axle]

completely different things

[ocean axle]

what do you want to do with programming?

[tired geyser]

which is the difference

[upper pier]

syntax wise and feature wise, c# and c++ are not really as similar as c# is to java
python is literally C++ under the hood

[ocean axle]

python is not C++ under the hood, and what its runtime is isn't important

if you want to use runtime as a consideriong, Java and C# are also both C++

[tired geyser]

i can use programming to create code in order to do things like help my grandpa with mailbox light. and also if i am good at progreamming. i can use it to create good video games and that are fun and get a job

[ocean axle]

C# and Java are basically the same language

[tired geyser]

is programming able to create a device that pick up a sound and then turn on a light so my grandpa can have a light turn on when the mail comes

[terse sorrel]

fan someone make me a fan control profile

[ocean axle]

syntax wise, C#/Java are both C-like languages
see this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C-family_programming_languages

[upper pier]

visual studio code is lightweight and has less features
it doesnt have the full suite of tools like an IDE (integrated development environment)
but with a couple of extensions you might be able to get the tools u need for the language you are working with

visual studio is one click solution for everything
need to work with c++? install the package and its ready to go
now u need to work with python? install the package and its ready to go

[dapper light]

i may be biased but, typescript

[peak knot]

Just generic mineral oil

[ocean axle]

start with python, its commonly used with the Raspberry Pi, which has GPIO for you to interface with things that aren't necesscarily other computers
ie: sensors, lights, etc

[tired geyser]

ok thank u i will learn more avout this terms

[latent pasture]

is raspi stock still shite

[upper pier]

they're compiled, i wouldnt call them "based on c++"
python just translates your code to c++

and not just that, I've used both languages, they have literally 1 to 1 syntax, features, function names, etc

[ocean axle]

no

[tired geyser]

what is this

[ocean axle]

raspis are readily available

[dapper light]

it's javascript but with static typing

[rigid fjord]

okies, was wondering if it would be viable as coolant instead of the standard coolant for used for custom loops

[ocean axle]

they're compiled
they're both compiled and interpreted, and JIT compiled, its fun

python just translates your code to c++
no it doesn't

I've used both languages
no you haven't, if you make that claim

[upper pier]

@tired geyser i would recommend you start with python since its the easiest, and is widely used so it has a large scope

[tired geyser]

ok ia will learnboth at the same time becus i am in the middle of learning c and now watching python teacher

[iron glen]

personally, i would do things one at a time but you do you

[tired geyser]

$ code hello.py

[ocean axle]

heres the Java OpenJDK, and its runtime, https://github.com/openjdk/jdk
besides the Java code that is obvously going to be there, C++ followed by C are the next large chunks of the project

[upper pier]

python is an interpreted language that uses C++
it might be JIT compiled for performance, but the core of the language is that its interpreted

[upper pier]

no i would recommend you stick to one
any language you like, but stick to it, and master it, before you move on

[ocean axle]

any way you want to spin that, its not "translated to C++"

and they very very much do not have 1:1 syntax, features, or function names

[random gyro]

bro i cant find a 14.6inch tablet holder

for a car

[ocean axle]

shudders in template errors

[iron glen]

you looked on Facebook marketplace yet?

[ocean axle]

so its still bad?

[dapper light]

It's good

[ocean axle]

is it though?

[upper pier]

worse*

[random gyro]

im banned from fbm cuz im under 18

[dapper light]

I mean a lot of the complaints with JS is the mysterious bugs caused by type coercion which TS solves

[bold sage]

Rx 6950’s are in stock poggers

[ocean axle]

ok, but, but its still based on JS, therefore bad

[dapper light]

Though the drawbacks is the amount of extra code thanks to the interfaces you have to constantly write

[iron glen]

neat, not sure how you want us to help you

[random gyro]

fuck facebook

[dapper light]

Sucks to suck

[upper pier]

interpreted language literally means you execute each statement line by line in any other language
by "translated" i dont mean you convert the code into C++ and then execute
but i mean that each statement is translated into C++ individually and then executed

[limber nacelle]

would be a bit viscous no? also messy

[random gyro]

i have to be 18 to buy from the lizard man's online selling place but not 18 to drive a car

[tired geyser]

why dose david malan video he is coding on visual studio code but it say $ in the terminal i dont have that what do i do python

[random gyro]

fuck u reptilian robot

[iron glen]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-simpsons-cloud-fist-grandpa-gif-12082744756246344299

[dapper light]

Python is compiled straight to bytecode with a C++ based interpreter
In no stages is it converted into C++ first

[ocean axle]

also, its not C++ in the first place

[upper pier]

He's using a Linux terminally, thats why
some commands he uses might be different than the one you use
but ultimately, you wont be using the terminal as a beginner, so don't worry about little things

[dapper light]

C C++ potato tomato

[random gyro]

zamn

[ocean axle]

the reference interpreter is written in C https://github.com/python/cpython

[tired geyser]

ugh he say use visual studio code for python for begining now i have to find a new teacher

[dapper light]

Is there anything wrong with this statement....?

And any teacher who mains linux instantly has bonus credibility

[iron glen]

whats the difference between c, c++ and c#?

[ocean axle]

where do you want to start?

[iron glen]

at the beginning ig

[ocean axle]

the year was 1969..........

[tired geyser]

mark zuckelburg is born

[upper pier]

Yeah but isn't the default interpreter PyPy?

[ocean axle]

no, cpython is, thats literally from Python

[tired geyser]

markl zucker burg mom give born to the first programmer

[ocean axle]

like, thats the one developed by the Python Software Foundation

cpython is by definition the python runtime

[tired geyser]

why id it so diffucult to begin learning python how do iu start if i don have linux on my pc

[upper pier]

He's right, use visual studio code for python as a beginner, whats wrong with that?
I just meant you dont have to worry about his terminal being Linux (having $)

[dapper light]

I love ()=>{}

[ocean axle]

https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/

[upper pier]

so if i install python from their official website, it uses cpy?
i thought it was pypy

[tired geyser]

so it work with just type the text without sguilly line?

[ocean axle]

theres a free version of this, idk if they link it from the same page

[ocean axle]

yea, it uses cpython

[dapper light]

Just install python and use VSC

[upper pier]

what are you using terminal for?

[dapper light]

Modern education curriculum is fucked.
No basic computer knowledge, straight to code

[tired geyser]

erm

[upper pier]

Too much computer knowledge without code for too long is also fucked
You dont learn theory when you're self taught

[ocean axle]

gross over simplifications, from C, C++ is object oriented, and also has some other features like templates
from C++, C# is garbage collected has a runtime which helps with code portability but may also hinder performance

[tired geyser]

what id first thing you learn about the computer? or what you like would for everybody to know if they were to know some things first

[upper pier]

You don't need it. Install vscode, install python extension (it'll ask you), and then start coding
Press F5 to run your code. You won't need the terminal

[tired geyser]

i think it work without extension

i had access to this snake

[ocean axle]

you'd be amazed at how common it is for software engineers to not know what the fuck their code is actually doing at all even just one level down

[tired geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-ball-python-silly-meiko-pet-gif-820831716589256532

[upper pier]

the only skill that matters is being able to learn and stumble your way across
when you come across a problem, be able to solve it on ur own by any tools u have. thats what matters

[peak knot]

No

[tired geyser]

like as i am doing right now! talking to linus server and you guys are helping !

[upper pier]

If it works, you're good to go

[peak knot]

Glycol premix is best

[upper pier]

I mean its still taking external help. you might not have someone helping you at all times
sometimes you just have to do it on your own without asking anybody for help
you can instead look up on google, find information already out there, or use AI for help

[iron glen]

are all just more or less complicated or are the different in other ways(code, usage, smth like that)

[tired geyser]

and then one day i will be there to help others like my grandpa

[ocean axle]

depends on what you are trying to do

C is a thin layer on top of assembly, its best to think of it more as high level assembly

if you are making an OS, you use C

[iron glen]

oh

[ocean axle]

all modern OSes are written in C

[dapper light]

Most valuable skill right now
Is learn how to google and read stack overflow

[ocean axle]

C++ adding objects helps with higher level program architecture, but also adds a lot of potential complexity in how things may be working

C++ also still has all the foot guns that C does, which can be very useful, but are also foot guns

[iron glen]

i'd argue that common sense is a better skill

[ocean axle]

C# takes away some of those foot guns, or at least makes it so you cant unintentionally use them

the main foot gun with C/C++ is pointers

[tired geyser]

what is best ai to help with coding issues

[ocean axle]

dont use AI to help you with it

C# mostly hides pointers from you, except in an unsafe block, so you cant accidentially access something you shouldn't, the runtime will keep you from doing that

[junior valve]

780ti missing a capacitor but still posts somehow

[peak knot]

I’m also learning how to code it’s best to avoid ai and learn the fundamentals and everything without it

That way when ai messes up you understand why it’s wrong and how to fix it

[ocean axle]

the AI will lie, the AI will give you bad code, the AI will make up shit that doesn't exist
learn to write code yourself first

[dapper light]

It's very useful once you know how to spot mistakes already however

[ocean axle]

it may be useful, take with salt

[iron glen]

kinda goofed up already, i just jammed the script into chatgpt again and again until it worked (its still utter garbage)

[dapper light]

It's quicker than going through documentation

It can hallucinate logic
But it's near perfect in recalling written facts

[ocean axle]

oh, yea, for documentation quesitons its great

dont ask it to write code for you though

someone took some of my code and put it through chatGPT, it actively made it worse (and broke it)

[dapper light]

I mean you can, but not in the way the typical people do it

[ocean axle]

the main problem i have with AI tools is context, or lack there of

[dapper light]

Slapping the entire codebase and asking for a feature will definitely break shit

[ocean axle]

when the file is 30kloc, its not fitting into chatgpt

[iron glen]

was it simple like "this else statement shouldn't be here" or something like that or did it rewrite the entire thing

[brave brook]

https://pypi.org/project/Bython/

[dapper light]

But doing it in tiny chunk with prompts like
"Make me a function that takes this interface (interface) as param. which calls this, does this when error, then fetch that, bla bla bla"

[brave brook]

something to make Python devs cry in pain

[dapper light]

Basically just converting your logic into written code cause you're lazy

[ocean axle]

it removed most of the function calls that actually do stuff, so thats how it broke it
the making it worse part is things like swapping fori loops for foreach loops (note: java), and also using parallel streams when i had my own threading stuff that exists for a reason

[dapper light]

No
Love me some ternary expression

And list comprehension

[brave brook]

sure it is missing or it was never there in the first place (just because pads are marked it doesn't mean it was populated)

[ocean axle]

it didn't change much in reality

[ocean axle]

i love it

[dapper light]

I think i abused list comprehension and ternary expression way too much

A bit obsessed with one liners

[ocean axle]

i could just write that code faster than i could get it to do it for me

[dapper light]

Not when you're using hyper verbose language like typescript

[ocean axle]

i was meaning in C++

[brave brook]

have you heard of autocomplete ?

[ocean axle]

though Java would also be a fair guess, if i dont specify, its either C++ or Java

[dapper light]

Intellisense can't do everything

[ocean axle]

well theres your problem

[dapper light]

It gets easy if you already written all the required interfaces/types

[ocean axle]

in reality, actually writing the code isn't the bottleneck

[brave brook]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/ng-openapi-gen
https://openapi-generator.tech/

[dapper light]

Then intellisense works like magico

[dapper light]

I don't want this

[brave brook]

are you doing backend types raw ? Then of course you need to write your types on your own

[ocean axle]

once you get to a sufficiently large project, you spend less and less time writing code, and far far more reading code and deciding what you want to write

[brave brook]

any sane person automatically generates OpenAPI spec of backend services, which for which then you can autogenerate client libraries and types

[dapper light]

actually yea most of my queries on copilot is mostly looking for react features i don't know yet

cause reading docs kinda sucks

[junior valve]

i knocked it off last year , and the gpu have been sitting for quite some time now

[brave brook]

the it is possible it goes through rest of the small caps, which can handle idle, but might burn itself under higher VRM load

[brave brook]

they should rename react to useEffect()

[junior valve]

that cap is quite big in the pic

[brave brook]

by small i meant PCB mounted ones. it is still not this type of cap

[junior valve]

o

[junior valve]

its the rectangle cap

[tired geyser]

right but can i ask the ai for point me in the directino first i can look up what they say in google just use for specific harder to find answer

[ocean axle]

just use google?

[brave brook]

in comparison, SMD caps are miniscule

[brave brook]

indeed, i noticed that younger generation uses AI for things they could just google

[junior valve]

yes these ones

[ocean axle]

define "younger generation"

[brave brook]

new developers from last years

[tired geyser]

i dont use ai but people has said it is good to help with coding

[brave brook]

it can help if you are bad at formulating your questions to google. One needs to never forget AI is often based on outdated training set (it doesn't know anything about stuff after certain cutout date), it can hallucinate and so on.

plus the copyright/license issues were never solved with AI, so it can be problematic to use any code AI generates if you care about your code being legally clean

for example the code AI generated could have been based on a GPL source code, but you can't know, because AI doesn't tell you what it based their code on. So is now your commercial or even MIT licensed application in breach of GPL? 🤷‍♂️

[tired geyser]

yaeh

thank you for all the help

[brave brook]

i mean sure, you could be "inspired" by AI code, but i would never take code 1:1 from AI results outside of possibly small obvious code segments where copyright issues are obviously non-existing. But then as Oracle vs Google shown, even API interfaces can be copyrighted and protected, so copyright is a legal minefield

[upper pier]

google has significantly downgraded over the last few years
and AI literally does what google does, but better
i'd say google is officially deprecated lol

[tired geyser]

ai can help sometimes but you have to check to see if it is telling the truth or fact

[brave brook]

it didn't go worse for me, but i might be good at formulating my queries. And every AI tool has a cutoff date for their data, so it knows nothing about newer stuff

[upper pier]

I'm not gonna talk about copyright.
But AI is damn great for prototyping, getting things started, and laying a foundation for any software solution
anything that you have to program, ask the AI and it'll lay a great foundation, and then u can go from there

[upper pier]

People have said its worse, and I've seen it a little worse, but I dont use it much myself
I ask AI most of the stuff, and it gets the job done. When I have to google, its for looking up docs or smth very specific / niche

And cutoff dates for AI models is a thing of the past. If you take any model (idk about opensource models), they're regularly updated and have capability to search and browse the internet, so it works very well

Pretty much you can ask it about all new things

[ocean axle]

i noticed it getting worse, and because of that switched engines

i quite like kagi

[dapper light]

a problem copilot can't solve i just fixed after 5 minutes of reading stack overflow

[brave brook]

my queries are usually highly specific, so i don't get much irrelevant spam. Well, not more than i was getting before.

[ocean axle]

i mean, mine are generally quite specific too

but, the "AI overview" and then summary links, and if it manages to sneak some sponsored stuff in there too (ublock usually gets that)...

kagi, first thing is usually the link i want, no bullshit between me and the thing i was actually looking for

[brave brook]

man, yesterday i complained about how everything TB3 has stupid pricing

https://www.amazon.com/Sonnet-Technologies-Thunderbolt-10GBASE-T-SOLO10G-TB3/dp/B07BZRK8R8 $199 for a 10 gigabit NIC, because it is Thunderbolt 3 😄

[ocean axle]

intel

[brave brook]

i am so getting annoyed by articles which use AI pictures and they don't even bother to redo the pictures. Like this headline picture about EU possibly removing tarrif exemption for packages from China 😄

it gets worse more you look at it

[shell arrow]

Oka

[dapper light]

things is, AI images can be good if they put some thought into it and not just take the first result off bing image maker

[brave brook]

do you expect a freelancer writing for a tech website to even bother?

[dapper light]

i don't think a human wrote it

[brave brook]

the article is written by a human, that part can't be automated in smaller countries yet 🙂

[dusky crest]

Probably shouldn't touch dis

Funny enough, i modded my other psu to be fully silent (with an old cpu cooler)

[steel plover]

what do u guys think about runing discord on windows 98

[brave brook]

Lian li drunk ?

[dusky crest]

Not practical

Also discord runs like ass on everything

[dusky crest]

What were you thinking, lianli

[random gyro]

I hate AI art so much

[random gyro]

Real

[brave brook]

i guess they seen Corsair Shift and decided to make their own?

[dusky crest]

Damn it, i won't be able to get cheap shi from aliexpress

[dusky crest]

But worse

[brave brook]

it is not banning, just some changes https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/05/eu-to-tighten-checks-on-goods-sold-by-sites-such-as-shein-and-temu

Brussels officials also urged EU lawmakers to phase out the exemption on customs duties that is allowed for parcels under €150 (£125), which enables foreign suppliers to sell cheap goods in the bloc without paying the tax.

[dusty dew]

More like they are after those fake ssds

[dusky crest]

Like this is the first phone i own that it runs fine on
It has a flagship chip from a few years ago

[brave brook]

actually computer tech is least of the issues. We talk about child toys or clothing with toxic stuff

or dangerous chargers

[dusky crest]

Tbh why even is there tarifs in the eu when getting junk from outside the eu

[dusky crest]

Like i can't buy shit from ebay because I'm scared i won't be able to pay the stupid vat

[storm bramble]

Guys if my fresh new HDD i just bought the other day shows here as 1% bad blocks, should i return it or is it like fine?

[dusty dew]

New? Yeah return it

[dusky crest]

Why are you buying hard drives in 2025

[random gyro]

WOOOO, For me it runs decently on computer, but has glitches still, on phone, sadly if I click off of video call or stream and go back in it'll just be pitch black and I've had times where my keyboards permanently stuck after swiping to remove it in app or disappeared completely too, also not being able to leave calls and having to restart my phone lmao

[storm bramble]

because they are still half the price of ssds

[dusky crest]

What capacity are you going for

[dusty dew]

1tb? Nope

[storm bramble]

4TB

[dusty dew]

Above 2 then they are cheaper yes

[storm bramble]

and its gonna be in 3+1 zfs

[dusky crest]

My pc runs discord kinda fine but i use the browser version soo

[storm bramble]

so whatever

[random gyro]

Oh yea def has way more glitches there

I need a new name on here :(

[dusky crest]

Well discord is buggy on my phone, but at least it loads pretty quick, compared to my previous phones or my 2 spare phones that take a minute to load into discord

[dusky crest]

Thiccc Linus

[dusky crest]

Ah

[random gyro]

Hmmm idk what phones they are but ive never really had problems with it doing that

[dusky crest]

Tbh in a few years hard drives will cost more than ssds

[storm bramble]

when that time comes, i'll likely switch, but until then - it is what it is

[next hill]

Am3 = ddr3
Am4 = ddr4
Am5 = ddr5
That means am6 will be when ddr6 xdd

[brave brook]

yes. And that is 2028+

DDR6 spec is not yet finalized

[dusky crest]

My main is a very messed up honor 20
One of my spares is an lg k8 2017 i got for 5€ off fb marketplace
The other spare is a Samsung galaxy a3 2017 that i found at ewaste and installed lineage os 17.1 (not officially supported)

[next hill]

Yup, conincides with am4 lifetime and am5 promises

[random gyro]

that's probably why it takes so long tbh 😭😭😭

[dusky crest]

Before 2030 tbh

[dusky crest]

Lmao
I have fm2+, that's also ddr3

[next hill]

Lol

[solar moat]

nice

[random gyro]

I like ur pfp!!

[dusky crest]

I mean even my previous phones (huawei p20 lite, redmi 10) had issues

[random gyro]

The phone I want is the umm

[dusky crest]

Yea, nah it's garbolium

[brave brook]

where is your AM1 socket tho

[dusky crest]

Tbh i want a pixel 9 or 9 pro

[brave brook]

(that is the only exception from AM=DDR rule)

[dusky crest]

I don't have that old of a nugget

[brave brook]

AM1 is DDR3 platform from 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM1

a whole list of 5 CPUs for it 🙂

[random gyro]

It's one of the oneplus phones

[brave brook]

hope it is not 10 Pro 😄

[random gyro]

I have the rog phone 6 and it's terrible, I've never had a worse phone, battery life has been terrible since I got it, volume down button barely has worked as well, over heating issues and they wouldn't honor my warranty as well even though these problems were they're fault lol

[dusky crest]

Wait wat

[mint umbra]

Why are ear buds so expensive these days

[dusky crest]

That's a waste

[random gyro]

I'm not sure, hold on

[brave brook]

it was an APU platform under the FM2+, for super cheap systems

[dusky crest]

Because hod damn Bluetooth

[brave brook]

boards like

you can see how little VRM they had 😄

[random gyro]

I think it's the second to newest one? It was 500 smth dollars so

[dusky crest]

Ah
And here i was thinking it was before am2 which was before am3

[frail delta]

We’re almost 11% through 2025

[random gyro]

But the one I actually wna get is the 800 smth dollar one

OnePlus 13

[dusky crest]

This board looks pretty similar to my fm2/fm2+ board (it accepts both)

[dusky crest]

M.2 wtf

[brave brook]

754 -> 939 -> AM2 -> AM2+ -> AM3 -> AM3+ -> AM4 -> AM5
At same time AM3+ lived we got FM1->FM2->FM2+ and AM1

[random gyro]

The purple is so pretty on this one but idrk about the genshin part..

[brave brook]

that is not M.2. That is mPCIe

[dusky crest]

Damm
Altho October coming closer, meaning ewaste full of pcs

[dusky crest]

Oh no, 1 pcie gen 2 lane

[dusky crest]

Waifu phone

[brave brook]

enought for a 2.5 gigabit ethernet adapter

[dusky crest]

Or the ol wifi

Isn't wifi like 35 years old

[random gyro]

The purple on it is so 😼😼😼😼

[brave brook]

i replaced the mPCIe card in this with a 2.5 gigabit ethernet

[dusky crest]

I can agree the purple looks nice

[random gyro]

that color would look so good on nails too omg

[brave brook]

i need to buy some cheapo small USB drives for these guys so i can boot from PCIe NVMe on them using chainloading

[keen stratus]

Ima check

[brittle plover]

Is 35celcius on idle good for r7 9800x3d?

[wispy crypt]

Can someone explain this to me? I just bought Helldivers 2 for my gf, It took her 10 minutes to install the full game on her laptop with an ethernet connection(SSD), I had to download an update of 3.5GB, so far it has taken 30 minutes, and it's only 50% done... i'm on a stationary PC, with nvme drives, ethernet connection(600mpbs for both computers)

Like how is it possible it takes longer for the update to finish

[brave brook]

different mirror?

[wispy crypt]

Should be hooked up to the same steam servers.

It's not my download speed that is the issue seemingly, since the download was finished like 15 minutes ago.

But the game is on an NVME, my OS is on an SSD.

I guess it's due how steam/helldivers handle patches? Since it's need to overwrite preexisting files, rather than just download>extract for a new install?

[grave obsidian]

what pc can i build for 500$?

[wispy crypt]

Arduino

[brave brook]

first question is if you are after brand new parts or used, cause you can buy a lot more for that budget from used parts. Also #1106613567966429224

[wispy crypt]

Pretty safe to buy both used CPU and GPU, if you trust the seller. Would avoid buying used SSD/HDD and PSU.

[mortal mantle]

did Sony really get hacked again

[wispy crypt]

Wouldn't be to suprised.

[stiff ice]

Guys monitor recommendations for this laptop?

ASUS TUF Gaming A15 (2022), AMD Ryzen 7 6800HS, 15.6" (39.62 cm) FHD 300Hz, 6GB GeForce RTX 3060 Graphics, Gaming Laptop (16GB/1TB SSD/Windows 11/Office 2021/90WHr Battery/Gray/2.2 Kg) FA507RM-HF030WS

My budget is under 250 dollars.

[wispy crypt]

Security cost money, and if there is something all the big players in the tech world hates, is spending money they can't objectively put into their neat little spreadsheet too see their % return of their investment.

[peak knot]

I still think the GTX 295 design is wild

Behold one gpu

[brittle geyser]

Question guys. I have a cyber power prebuilt with the 7600 7600 combo. I put a 32gb corsair ram kit in it and after I did I get random crashes constantly

What would be the first thing you would do to try and fix it?

[peak knot]

Clear cmos

[rigid fjord]

there's different variances in how thick the mineral oil can be

[limber nacelle]

either way

i doubt it'd be pleasant to deal with

[rigid fjord]

okies dude

[random gyro]

that's like insanely low I think 😭

[limber nacelle]

not insane but def low

[random gyro]

The last time I used a ryzen processor it was at like 60 idle

[hushed tapir]

SOMEONE HELP.

[solid osprey]

rs6 goated 🙏

[hushed tapir]

I NEED HEPL OVE R MY LAPTOP.

[peak knot]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-your-voice-down-lower-your-voice-shh-be-quiet-use-your-indoor-voice-gif-15605599

[hushed tapir]

oh sorry

[rigid fjord]

pretty normal

[hushed tapir]

ok no help ig

[vital roost]

Sorry for the stupid question (maybe), but for some reason I don‘t understand my wifi card is doing something it shouldn‘t. I‘m connected to my hotspot and it shows in windows as connected (not „no internet“, it shows as if it is connected and working), but the wifi just doesn‘t work. On my iPhone I do have a mobile data connection that is working and on windows it just doesn‘t work at all. I tried restarting both devices, restarting wifi card, checking the advanced tab of the wifi card, I did a virus scan, I checked for corrupted system files (sfc /scannow) etc. I‘d consider me an advanced user, I already tried all the normal stuff (reconnecting to wifi, restart etc). Thanks for any help in advance

Maybe it‘s just windows being windows, but I‘m on stable builds, so that shouldn‘t happen, should it?

[hushed tapir]

uhm.

[hushed tapir]

buy a new wifi card

very simple 👍

[rigid fjord]

sounds like some bad mounting for that

[vital roost]

1. It’s a laptop, 2. It’s not the wifi card, else it wouldn’t show me the wifis and let me connect to it successfully without any errors…

[random gyro]

Yes, it was a 7800x, I ended up going to intel, I'm going back to ryzen whenever I upgrade again

[peak knot]

I’ve had wifi modules go bad in laptops

WiFi usb receivers are a decent stopgap

[vital roost]

But then it wouldn’t let me connect to a wifi

And showing a connection on the phone (hotspot)

[brave brook]

we will know in like 48 hours or so. GDPR mandates any breaches have to be published within 72 hours of becoming aware of it. Pretty obvious that if they got hacked, they must know about it, as they were offline.

If they do not notify EU, they can get fines up to 4% of their global turnover, which is something not even Sony can afford

[vital roost]

It shows as connected but it’s just not working

A dead module would just show no network adapter at all wouldn’t it?

[next hill]

Hmm, is there a version of pro tech toolkit that also has the big screwdriver from manta set. Talking about ifixit stuff

[true stirrup]

Does it say "Connected, no internet"?

[thick iris]

if my mouse dpi range is 800-12800 and the only way to change it is a button how much does it increase it by each cliick

[true stirrup]

Read the manual

[vital roost]

No “Connected, secured” and the tray icon says internet access

[hushed tapir]

👍

[vital roost]

That’s why I’m confused

It’s neither the hotspot nor the wifi card, because the wifi was working half an hour ago with a different network and the hotspot is working with another laptop

[frail delta]

Can you ping 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1

[vital roost]

I have no idea what is going on

[vital roost]

100% packet loss

[true stirrup]

That's sick

[frail delta]

Try renaming your iPhone

[vital roost]

8.8.8.8 has 25% loss, 1.1.1.1 has 100% loss

[frail delta]

In that case it sounds like a problem upstream of your computer

[vital roost]

8.8.8.8 has 20-33ms response time

[frail delta]

Yeah so the problem is your phone or the network

[rigid fjord]

powersave mode on with your laptop ?

[frail delta]

Problem solved

[brave brook]

7990 was interesting too. It's one of the product types killed by Broadcom purchase of PLX

[vital roost]

It was working half an hour ago with a public wifi (and vpn) and the hotspot is right now working with another laptop so it can be neither…

[vital roost]

Yeah, no battery rn

[peak knot]

I got one on my wall lol

[brave brook]

and 295x2

the PLX chip in the middle

[frail delta]

Fuck email.

[brave brook]

and this was one of the best looking, but one of the worst GPU heatsinks technically

because the GPU fans were under the heatsink, so it ewas nightmare to replace them

680 was even worse, that one had fans in middle

[hushed tapir]

lok

[mortal mantle]

why are some errors really not descriptive

like this

[brave brook]

it is absolutely descriptive, what else do you expect it to tell you when it cannot initialzie memory card ?

it's like saying "why can't the motherboard tell me my CPU doesn't work when it's dead" 😄

[somber ermine]

whats amd's version of the 4060 ti?

[peak knot]

I have all 290x x2 and 295 x2 cards

[peak knot]

Now testing quad sli

[somber ermine]

yeah i was looking at that and i was confused

so theres no real competitor then

[mortal mantle]

maybe saying which card/channel is fucked

[rare musk]

what quad, theres just 2

[true stirrup]

6700xt < 4060 ti < 6750xt

[peak knot]

It’s not 4 way sli it’s quad cause these are both dual GPUs

It’s 4x GTX 285 cores in 2 GPUs

[rare musk]

oo thats cool

[somber ermine]

thank you i was only looking at radeon 7000

[hushed tapir]

because it doesn't want you to know why it's dying

it dies silently.

and privately

[junior valve]

pc from trashed parts i found

[mortal mantle]

found out anyways BootCard-3.mcd was corrupt

so that's Card 0 Channel 3

[hushed tapir]

crisis react with 👍 no crisis react with 👎

[rare musk]

what kind of fucked up app is this

stop using non-defender apps

[hushed tapir]

1080p60fps ❌ 2060p590fps ✅

[hushed tapir]

i dont care 👍

[rare musk]

you care enough to download random ass apps to "protect" you tho lol

[whole garden]

W bot

[rare musk]

very

[hushed tapir]

man js stop

[rare musk]

i love how it blocks kids most of the times, i love warship

[hushed tapir]

STOP.

[whole garden]

lol

[rare musk]

stop replying to me

[mortal mantle]

deleting that card and letting it remake it made it boot again

[rare musk]

you keep tagging me after i said dont, cut it off already kiddo

[hushed tapir]

thank god i cant see his messages anymore

[hushed tapir]

thats nice :)

[gloomy sleet]

guys

opinions on people modding fsr into games that don’t have it natively

[hushed tapir]

dont know tbh

just saying idk

[gloomy sleet]

i think it’s pretty cool

assetto corsa now has fsr 2.1

[minor sleet]

What

[hushed tapir]

imma tell u in dms

[minor sleet]

My DMs are closed

[hushed tapir]

oh okay then

[minor sleet]

Do not dm me

[hushed tapir]

then everybody will hear me man

[minor sleet]

k

[true stirrup]

Yeah I saw that's possible it's pretty cool

[hushed tapir]

tsk ig i cant tell u

[gloomy sleet]

agreed

[minor sleet]

Aight

[gloomy sleet]

some people say it’s not worth it because fsr is ass now apparently

some guy said it’s literally unplayable compared to playing native

[minor sleet]

The fuck?

[somber ermine]

lmaoo wtf is happening

[gloomy sleet]

tf do people have against upscalers lmao

[true stirrup]

Yeah I watched some comparisons and it's not that good

[gloomy sleet]

it’s fine

[true stirrup]

But it's not unplayable

[somber ermine]

gn video?

[true stirrup]

Yeah

[gloomy sleet]

in assetto corsa you can control the exact pixel density

so i just run 80% of the full image

[true stirrup]

Possibly since I watch multiple videos on a single topic

[somber ermine]

fairs i need to watch it

[minor sleet]

That rule is basically never enforced lmao

[gloomy sleet]

they even said dlss is unplayable

in what world is dlss bad

are they using a 20 series gpu or something

[minor sleet]

Theirs

[peak knot]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-amok-the-shining-kitchen-scene-freak-out-gif-22391941

My rampage iv extreme just died

Superio chip died

[latent gull]

What caused it to die?

[peak knot]

I can fix it…. Just need to find a donor

[gloomy sleet]

in normal people units that is?

[minor sleet]

Rip

[peak knot]

I took the pic not caring about actual reported temp the board was off when I took the pic

[gloomy sleet]

130 has to be pretty hot right?

[latent gull]

Do basic math

[gloomy sleet]

oh,

[peak knot]

It’s just my thermal image showing the massive glowing chip being the dead thing

[gloomy sleet]

i’m a scientist i don’t do whatever that is

[latent gull]

If you were actually a scientist you’d know the fuckin conversion and could do it in your head

[gloomy sleet]

i once saw a guy do 12+32 on a calculator after 30 seconds of standing there thinking

[gloomy sleet]

funny joke

no fucking way

[halcyon talon]

Guys how to fix no signal?? I alrdy plugged my hdmi to my gpu

[gloomy sleet]

in what possible universe will i EVER use fahrenheit

[peak knot]

In science math is hard 1+1=X=2 always

[gloomy sleet]

real

[latent gull]

In the world where some formulas use Fahrenheit, and it’s important to know standard conversions?

[gloomy sleet]

name a formula that uses fahrenheit

you can’t because none do

[peak knot]

My favorite example is 1 cup of water and 1 cup of 99% iso alcohol when poured together is less than 2 cups of fluid

[latent gull]

Chem1 was a long time ago, I don’t remember the fuckin names, but there was 100% at least one that had both a Celsius and a Fahrenheit version

[gloomy sleet]

hey would we need to know standard conversions of a unit we have never used

[gloomy sleet]

we aren’t american why on earth would we even consider the fahrenheit one

[latent gull]

Because other people do, and you don’t live in a vacuum

[peak knot]

I normally do have it in c but a buddy was wanting to verify his thermometer was reading right so input it in F mode

[tidal geyser]

go to bed FzR

[gloomy sleet]

we don’t even use celsius most of the time

[gloomy sleet]

no they don’t

[peak knot]

No im on a net zero atm for the night i fixed a gpu and killed a motherboard

[neat flame]

guys just use kelvin

[gloomy sleet]

not once in my entire career has someone used fahrenheit

[neat flame]

celsius to fahrenheit is kinda pain to convert without a calc

[peak knot]

The substance is -40 figure it out lol

[neat flame]

its like 9C/5 + 32

[gloomy sleet]

even then american scientist use celsius/kelvin

they shouldn’t be using fahrenheit

[tidal geyser]

i fixed a motherboard that was shorting because of bent pins yesterday, i think its missing a pin so need to find out what that was meant to do but still you should really go to bed then you can fix more things when you have gotten a good days sleep

[gloomy sleet]

idfk

i’d just ask you to rewrite it in readable format

[peak knot]

Psst -40F and -40c is the same

[gloomy sleet]

damn

[peak knot]

It’s the point the two temps cross

[gloomy sleet]

never knew that

[neat flame]

you didnt?

[gloomy sleet]

no

[halcyon talon]

Guys how to fix no signal I already plugged my hdmi to my gpu

[neat flame]

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-spy-spy-tf2-tf2spy-gif-19741465

[gloomy sleet]

again in what scenario am i ever going to use fahrenheit

[halcyon talon]

Help pls

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/crowpunk-cheese-challenge-repost-to-cheese-cat-cheese-cat-gif-4123783956472567463

[neat flame]

you wont but still

[gloomy sleet]

or whenever any other scientist use fahrenheit

[whole garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bpk-suspicious-cat-gif-17789357722703982067

[halcyon talon]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1338103785293086732

[hushed tapir]

quadgrapjics

[halcyon talon]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1338103785293086732

[trim idol]

Good morning folks

[minor sleet]

Yeah

[tidal geyser]

maybe

[vivid pendant]

Tfw you miss amazing things it sucks

[frail delta]

👀

[rare musk]

lmfao wtf is that

[frail delta]

Crowdstrike

[tidal geyser]

very cool

[whole garden]

This looks cool
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/s/ZHJNj1uy9h

[frail delta]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[tidal geyser]

is that PXE?

it looks to beeee

this is perfect for what i want to do

[whole garden]

Yes

I might switch to it

[tidal geyser]

lets see how to set it up on truenas scale

[pastel thorn]

Hey guys, I've replaced some lipo batteries in a lap-dock a while ago cuz the old batterys were puffed up and dead, and now ive noticed a semi-sweet smell from the laptop/box around the battery area. A quick googling showed that the sweet smell is likely the electrolyte. Ive now torn apart the laptop, and looked at the batterys. They are all holding a acceptable voltage 3.65V, evenly. They dont look puffy, they aint feeling wet.
Im thinking that the electrolyte smell is likely from the old batterys, however ive noticed that the batterys seem to have some sort of tiny "bumps" on them. Which could just be from me peeling off the paper that keeps the battery-pack ridgit, which ive reused from the old pack. I was wondering if yall could give me some input about the bumps and perhaps what yall think is likely.

All the batterys had the bumps that are visible on the middle lipo, and i was able to easily push them down again with my finger on the other lipos

I havent done so on the middle one so that i could take a picture

[fallow yacht]

hallo malorie

[dapper light]

@mellow cairn if i proxy through cloudflare i shouldn't need to bother with SSL cert shit on my nginx right

[pastel thorn]

Ofcourse i couldn't perfectly match the cells of the original, so i took cells that were over-specced in comparison to the old ones

[frail delta]

Correct

[terse sorrel]

successfully undervolted

before vs after

[trim idol]

Totally

[frail delta]

Assuming you’re using Cloudflare Tunnels

[trim idol]

Good morning 🙂

[dapper light]

I just enable the proxy button on the dns page

[frail delta]

In that case you may need to adjust the SSL settings in Cloudflare

Give it a go and see

[junior valve]

pc and PC

[tidal geyser]

you meant while doing something then idle?

[dapper light]

Though tbh i might just do direct IP record (no proxy) and handle the SSL anyway since the proxy got doo doo speed.

[frail delta]

If it’s set to full/strict or whatever they call it I’m pretty sure the origin needs a valid cert

[trim idol]

I'm starting to think that I should buy older black GPUs, paint them white, and resell them

[tidal geyser]

also you are not even showing voltages

[terse sorrel]

i was researching how to undervolt on firefox in the before thats it

[tidal geyser]

was the video in 4K?

also you have not undervolted

[whole garden]

It’s very easy to setup

[grim pasture]

Sim mind looking at this?
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/xDsnyW

The graphics card will eather be 5060 (ti) or 9060 / 9070 depending on whats good when theyre coming out

[terse sorrel]

wym

[dusty dew]

researching how to overclock 7940hs

[tidal geyser]

yeah might run a VM as it should be REALLY easy to setup from what i have seen

[fallow yacht]

i was supposed to get the qck edge but the cashier said there's a discount if cash so i had to withdraw but there were long lines at the closest ATM

[forest narwhal]

might be able to run sims 4

[tidal geyser]

looks good

[trim idol]

what's a QCK edge?

[fallow yacht]

steelseries mousepad

[whole garden]

Hard to use on mobile

[tidal geyser]

how do you know its undervolted?

[tidal geyser]

i feel like its not made to be done on mobile also thats your LAN ip

[dapper light]

Yep, direct IP I'm getting 500mbit from my fileserver and through the cloudflare proxy only a measly <100

Might just have to deal with the certs

[tidal geyser]

so you just set the cpu to eco mode 😐

[whole garden]

Ik

[lapis condor]

That is not the right way to do an undervolt at all

[terse sorrel]

yeah cos it's summer i dont want the cpu getting hot.

[lapis condor]

Also you should've set FAW to 20

[tidal geyser]

what

[tidal geyser]

so it was getting to 95c+?

since its MADE to do 95C 24/7

[terse sorrel]

no idle was too high when just doing normal tasks. I will PBO it when I need to.

[lapis condor]

Then set it to offset mode, not fixed
Follow the PBO/CO guide pinned in #overclocking , then apply an offset -0.05 voltage after that

[tidal geyser]

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/ryzen-7000-series-processors-let-s-talk-about-power-temperature/ba-p/554629

[tidal geyser]

so idle was 95c?

[terse sorrel]

no like in the 60s

[tidal geyser]

thats normal also you do not know what idle is

[random gyro]

help please. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/t7yzjj/the_amd_e240_strikes_again_possibly_the_worst_r23/
I have the same cpu but im unable to install windows 10 on my pc. I have AMD E240 APU and whenever i install windows 10 I end up with DRIVER POWER STATE FAILURE and OOBE KEYBOARD and other oobe errors while installing. Any solution? I want to move to windows 10 for mcbe and other applications which are not supported by windows 8.1

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/bv0j-cat-cheese-me-when-the-mandela-catalog-mandela-catalogue-gif-23826736

[tidal geyser]

its e-waste

[terse sorrel]

could u pls elaborate

[tidal geyser]

you need to reduce the voltages for it to be undervolted

[terse sorrel]

it went from 50-60 while browsing to now 40s (temps)

[radiant narwhal]

Could i make Asus ap201 like Jonsbo D31 Mesh case? i don't want mesh panel on the right of case like asus have. Could i tape it with duct tape inside, to cover mesh side panel? (reason is i need to keep pc on left side of desk, and sometimes some water drops might get on case side, and mesh would allow them get inside.

[terse sorrel]

1.3 > 1.1

[tidal geyser]

a yes a cpu so powerful with its one core and one thread with no L3 cache and 1.5GHz max speed

[random gyro]

ik but thats all i have now 🙂

[tidal geyser]

anyways you just made your 9900X more like a 7600X

[random gyro]

tbh im typing this in the exact same computer

[terse sorrel]

How low do I have to go? 0.9V?

[tidal geyser]

anyways it will just use more power and get hotter due to haveing 2 CCDs like i told you many times you did not need or should not get

[lapis condor]

#tech-chat-1 message

[tidal geyser]

but still unless its 95c+ you are fine you do not need to worry about it

[terse sorrel]

ok so I will up it to 5.2ghz, then 1.2V and unlock the tdp to 170w. Will that make it a 9900x?

[minor sleet]

0.001v

[lapis condor]

Do not manually overclock Zen

Follow the PBO/CO guide like I've said, then apply an offset voltage to undervolt

[terse sorrel]

is the pbo guide on reducing temps or max performance?

[minor sleet]

Zen is just hot in general bro

[tidal geyser]

just use optimized defaults then set expo/xmp to then just run normaly since again the cpu is MADE TO DO 95c 24/7

[nova lantern]

Hey guys, I woke up to find out that my PC went from sleep mode to shut down overnight.
Got an Event ID 6008 - The previous system shutdown at 00:01:28 on ‎09/‎02/‎2025 was unexpected.
Got an Event ID 41 - The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly.
However for some reason at 00:11:42 Windows was downloading an update - Windows Update started downloading an update.
Now I went to bed well after 00:01:28 so I'm confused how the hell this happened

[tidal geyser]

the ihs is a thiccc boy with am5

[minor sleet]

Wonder how they built it to take that temperature

[terse sorrel]

bro I literally start sweating once I turn on the pc

[tidal geyser]

probs more just testing rather then doing anything to special

[tidal geyser]

wha

[minor sleet]

?

That’s a chair problem

[terse sorrel]

cos room gets hot

[minor sleet]

Open a window?

[tidal geyser]

pc only uses like 50w at idle

[minor sleet]

In winter here, I can literally sub zero cool my pc if I put it outside

[nova lantern]

...

Do not put your PC outside 😭

[minor sleet]

I know, but in theory

[timid meteor]

aren't there problems with condensation when pc is outdoors

[nova lantern]

Yes

In that contex at least, rather

[timid meteor]

maybe a squirrel will steal your ram 😄

[nova lantern]

It'll be shocked by the board first

[minor sleet]

A better solution would probably involve anti-freeze, a heat exchanger, and a radiator

[tidal geyser]

no

[nova lantern]

And probably ruin the motherboard by touching the CMOS

[lapis condor]

Both
It does both

[tidal geyser]

you mean the 3v battery?

[nova lantern]

It'd get damaged probably from static

highly likely at least

[tidal geyser]

its 3 volts

[tidal geyser]

no its 3 volts

[minor sleet]

Don’t you need like 12 volt to actually bridge through water?

[nova lantern]

It's still a shock, and it'd get damaged

[tidal geyser]

NO

[trim idol]

Does anyone recall how the RX 6600M card scompare to the regular RX 6600?

[tidal geyser]

it takes like 50v before you even have a good chance of getting shocked

[tidal geyser]

nop

[minor sleet]

It’s the RX6600 but worse

[median warren]

Putting your pc outside is better than keeping it inside

[nova lantern]

a shock is a shock, whether you feel it or not. But static discharge will ruin a cmos battery 9 times out of 10

[trim idol]

the 6600M is the 6600M but worse?

[minor sleet]

It’s the average static shock like 16 million volts?

[tidal geyser]

no???

[nova lantern]

It's basically slightly worse no?

[minor sleet]

Typo

[terse sorrel]

@tidal geyser is this shit

[trim idol]

So just a hair worse then... hmmmmmm

[tidal geyser]

i just use what ever the bios has defualt also the pump should be at 100%

[minor sleet]

Those are fans

[tidal geyser]

as always its how much power its allowed to draw

[trim idol]

My hunt for a cheap white GPU has fallen to these two cards>>>>

[thin plover]

second one looks better imo

[nova lantern]

Are you in the US? I could sell you my 6800 for 250 bucks, you'd have to paint it though

[tidal geyser]

i would way rather take asrock

[trim idol]

If I wanted to paint a card, I have other options

[nova lantern]

ok nw

[rare musk]

left better, right one looks like a cheap flat plastic with cheap wrap on it lol

[trim idol]

that's where I'm leaning. New card, not a reflow