virtual-reality

[earnest canopy]

lol for quest 2 you can get prescription headset lenses

[mighty furnace]

what headset does linus have?

[signal snow]

anyone else feel like they are in cyberpunk when u unplug ur link cable with the headset still on your head

[gloomy crater]

If I recall correctly he's still using a regular valve index

[haughty thistle]

I think he also got a couple of Pimax headsets sent his way, but from what I remember, he wasn't particularly fond of those...

[rapid otter]

I haven't played VR for a while certainly around two months because my games (Boneworks especially) lag too Much and became kinda boring

But i finally get myself back to it and now i discover my controller joystick is broken

😤

[haughty thistle]

RIP

[rapid otter]

Thanks for the mental support 👍

[gloomy crater]

dang that sucks. I still haven't had the time to troubleshoot and diagnose my Half Life Alyx and boneworks stuttering issues

[rapid otter]

My last attempt would have been get a new fresh OS, but after what happened I'm not really motivated to...

[leaden ruin]

i used to play on a r5 1600AF

now with r5 3600 no problem

[gloomy crater]

I don't think my issues are based on my computer hardware. The configuration hasn't changed, but these problems started after I reinstalled the games on my hard drive

[digital bolt]

specs? Have you tried reinstalling again

[gloomy crater]

When I say reinstall, I mean I moved the installation from my SSD to my hard drive since the SSD was spitting out disk write errors and showing signs of failure despite only being four months old. I can't actually uninstall and reinstall the game without getting rid of my saves iirc

[gloomy crater]

So I guess the game never actually left my system in the first place? I haven't tried moving it to another drive again since I don't have the money to replace that SSD yet.

[digital bolt]

i mean you could just clone the save file and then delete the rest of the game and put them back in manually

Unless u cant access them for that game for whatever reason

[slender quest]

So we begin

[haughty thistle]

👍

[slender quest]

Is there anything that goes in the "frunk" or did that never get used?

[green crypt]

Tracking dongle for fbt or a fan or can use it to charge a controller

[slender quest]

Forgive my newbishness, but what's fbt?

Nevermind; google helped

[rapid otter]

The frunk 🤣

[slender quest]

lol it's what Google said it was called, but didn't say what uses it had

[wise crescent]

Why have I never thought about putting a tracking dongle there... and I'm out here running out of usb's

[haughty thistle]

The frunk is really just a USB port on your Index. Yes, there are devices specifically made for the Index Frunk (Tundra SW dongle, Kiwi Index Frunk fan, etc.), but you can really use it for anything...

[digital bolt]

Full body tracking, extra tracker sets to track your legs in vr

[pale orbit]

https://www.roadtovr.com/meta-vr-headset-prototypes-visual-fidelity-indistinguishable-from-reality/

https://roadtovrlive-5ea0.kxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/meta-reality-labs-research-vr-headset-prototype-6.jpg

[leaden ruin]

so its gonna be a high res screen or adjusting to peoples eyes?

[pale orbit]

end of the article says none of these things are ready for prime time, something to come way down the line

quest 3 won't have any of it

[leaden ruin]

i see

btw i did some digging for the 1.19 version of vivecraft and they are waiting for optifine to release 1.19

its been a little now

and optifine still doesn't have a 1.19 update

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, all the prototypes they showed off there were all experiments to see what can improve immersion, as well as where the points of diminishing returns are for each one. Obviously we won't be getting a 20k Nits HMD or one with 55PPD any time soon, those were just experiments.
In-Fact, the Butterscotch Prototype is actually kinda like a Varjo HMD, if you'd turn off the Peripheral screens and would just use the focus displays...

[coarse kayak]

I really want a valve index at some point but it's incredibly hard to get in Norway. I would have to utilize a rentable mailbox in Sweden and get it or have someone I know from US send me it.

Not big on social media, particularly Facebook so oculus is no deal haha.

[sullen linden]

I need to get a Valve Index, getting my Quest 2 to work on Linux isn't exactly easy. Doable, but not easy

[coarse kayak]

Sounds rough. ><

Quest 2 is fun though. Friend let me try a lot. I heard Valve Index controllers are very fragile.

[sullen linden]

It works when you have a reliable connection, given the current solution is wireless only

[coarse kayak]

Yeah.

Ancient Dungeons is amazing haha.

[sullen linden]

never played it

Haven't touched VR in a while

[coarse kayak]

Ah. 😁

[sullen linden]

Last game I played was Half Life Alyx

[coarse kayak]

Heard a lot of great stuff from that.

[sullen linden]

It's worth the money tbh

[coarse kayak]

I finished Half Life not long ago, started at HL2 a little. xD

[sullen linden]

you need to play HL2 if you finished HL

[coarse kayak]

Hehe

[neat imp]

Portal is much more engaging

[gloomy crater]

I accidentally punched my ceiling while wearing my index controllers, my finger was more damaged than the controller was. Did leave a big black mark on the ceiling though

So I've been put on two week leave from work while they transition into the next quarter and decide whether they want to keep me around or not, which means I'll have a lot of extra time to play (read: troubleshoot) my VR games. Looking forward to that

[flint ridge]

Do you ever just watch the bone lab trailer for the 1000th time just because

[carmine wharf]

understandable, the music is really good

[steel oar]

Anyone play elite dangerous in VR? Do you still need a ton of mods and 3rd party apps for controller support?

[rotund ember]

Oh HELL YEAH!

I hope you have fun!

[gloomy crater]

Well that was a horrible experience

Has anyone else ever had their power go out while playing in VR

Just going from a combat sequence to complete darkness with no sound other than the rain outside

[flint ridge]

6600xt good for running games like lone echo and boneworks on q2

[tawdry dove]

yes

[raven quest]

im on a budget rn and was wondering if a 1060 3gb would be enough

im will only be running boneworks

[wispy orchid]

wellll, not really. it has the power but not enough vram

[raven quest]

and also if a 10th gen i3 is good enough

dang

[wispy orchid]

the 6gb would just barely be enough

[raven quest]

how much vram is enough for vr

[gloomy crater]

4gb is the bare minimum I've ever ran on. 6gb is the lowest recommended amount, 8gb is the sweet spot, anything more than that would be a benefit but not needed if you're not doing super high end VR

Computer hardware requirements change depending on what VR hardware you're running. I've ran my index on a 4gb RX550, but the lowest end card I've ever gotten a quest 2 to run on was an 8gb RX480

[rapid otter]

Even power wise it's only a 1060 non ti or not 1660 wich is on the low end of the minimum for VR

[rapid otter]

Even on my 2060 my 6 gb are all the time maxed

[wispy orchid]

Oh yeah, there's a reason why it's considered the minimum spec for vr. It's not going to provide a great, or even halfway decent experience, but it should at least be able to eek out enough frames on lowest settings to prevent you from instantly vomiting.

[rapid otter]

Yep nowadays I'd say RTX 2060 to be the minimum

[flint ridge]

I would say a 3050 might be the minimum

[deep estuary]

nah you can do with less

most of the time i play vr games its with two or three of my friends and two of them have a 1660S and one has a 1050ti

[rapid otter]

1660s is fine but a 1050 ti is not enough

[haughty thistle]

You can make do with lower spec hardware ,but it's not gonna be great...

[raven quest]

bruh im planning to run on a 1650

[formal willow]

Depends on the headset tho

[rapid otter]

First gen quest or CV 1 you could

[haughty thistle]

Or you could massively turn down the render res and accept the blur

[north coyote]

Yeah honestly my 3060 was fine for a decent amount of games! Tho games like No Mans Sky and Skyrim were kinda dog doo doo.. (tho I do know both those games were pretty poorly optimized..)

[raven quest]

quest 2

[formal willow]

beat saber runs but something like boneworks will struggle at native res

[haughty thistle]

"native res"
Unless you told the Metabook software to run your headset at 500%, I can assure you that your Quest 2 is not in-fact running at native res

[raven quest]

atleast i have computer friends

gonna end up using their pc

[marble vapor]

has anyone tested Ryzen 7 5800x3D for VR specifically? would love to see some benchmarks for games like VRChat, I found one video testing flight simulator which resulted in a much better VR improvement than what we saw in regular benchmarks.

[sullen linden]

My RX 6600 XT has been great for VR

Ran Half Life Alyx like a dream

[tawdry dove]

pog gpu

[sullen linden]

yup

I’ve got the XFX variant

[tawdry dove]

I have the xfx 6700 xt

idk why they are so cheap cause the coolers are good

[sullen linden]

nice

[green crypt]

For vrc frametimes are 3 times better than a 5800x on the 5800x3d best vr CPU from AMD tho 12th gen Intel with ddr5 is better

[sullen linden]

I wanna see linus change an oculus to run on windows

[haughty thistle]

Unlikely to happen. The Quest runs on ARM, but actually getting an installer for Windows on ARM is quite difficult. Not to mention that with Arm devices, there are no one-size-fits-all drivers, instead they're all made custom per-device. So unless someone manages to write Windows on ARM drivers for the Quest and manages to circumvent the password locked bootloader, it's not gonna happen. Period.

[harsh niche]

someone should figure out the password 👀

“markissocool12345”

[haughty thistle]

It's unfortunately unique for each Quest sold. Most often they use some proprietary Hash algorithm and use things like the Serial Number and IMEI as the input. So even if you manage to brute-force it for one Quest, it's gonna be different for the next unit...

[soft hound]

VRChat is like, the worst possible game to use as a benchmark
Performance is entirely limited by the content made and used by players
Even a single avatar can have the capability to drop your framerate by 30+ FPS
So, unless you have like, a bunch of alt accounts sitting in a room, unmoving, using the same avatars, you won't be able to compare any hardware

I can go to an instance of the Great Pug, and get 60 FPS, or I can go to another instance, and get 25 FPS
There is almost no consistency in the game

[cedar finch]

If you're on quest try an offline game like bait or space pirate trainer.

I don't do much pcvr so....

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[safe dust]

Gpu for beat saber/msfs on quest 2?

[harsh niche]

that’s a very vague question

[plucky peak]

the best is the 3090ti

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Especially if you wanna play MSFS without an Eye Tracked headset, you want as powerful of a GPU as you can get...

(I've only managed playable framerates in that game on my 3090 using Foveated rendering on my Varjo, just to put that into context)

[safe dust]

Sorry I meant beat not best

[harsh niche]

bare minimum quest 2 on msfs2020 is probably like a 3070

[distant spade]

Would a gtx 1650 be able to play vr? I have a Rift CV1, I have to temporarily use a 1650 until I can get enough money to build a new pc. Games I play are boneworks, beatsaber, and might play some vrchat.

[atomic walrus]

If you have all the parts it won’t hurt to try. It’ll be a rough time but I don’t think it’ll be unplayable

[finite yarrow]

Is there either Yu-Gi-Oh or Pokemon Stadium or a community made clone for vr? I wanna look Kaiba in the eyes as i destroy him in a badass stadium XD

I know i can come close using stuff like emuvr

Figured you could maybe go as far as using actual random cards with a table in front of you for the feeling of actually playing them.

[finite yarrow]

My 970 can play vr to an Oculus quest 1. Could definitely work better, but its playable on what ive tried so far. Mostly Skyrim. Probably doesnt help much but it's an older card so you should be able to play at least a few games

[plucky peak]

Boneworks will not run too well on a 1650 and you will probably get motion sick but for beat saber and vrchat it should be absolutely fine.

I have a 1050ti (upgrading to 5600xt thank god) and beatsaber and vrchat run so well I can upscale resolution a little.

[oak wyvern]

should i get the oculus 2 or should i wait for the new one?

[wispy orchid]

Depends on what budget you have, the q2 is the best headset you can get for anything near it's price point, beating almost every other headset in many ways. It's true wireless, but can be plugged in or stream to your PC wirelessly. Since it's a standalone device it doesn't need beacons/lighthouses/whatever. It can do up to 90hz by default and up to 120hz with the dev setting toggled(which looks phenomenonal). It still has a respectable resolution and fov. While the controllers can't hold a candle to others, they're still pretty good.

Or you could wait... Yeah idk how long really cuz Cambria was supposed to be out this quarter but q2 ends in a couple days. And it's supposed to be a higher end device with a price to match, which if they want to take the piss then I'd estimate it'll be around $800-850 to get an edge on their best competition that's still $1000 or more.

Though if you wait another year for quest 3 they're looking to do another "About the same price, but better", like how they did with the oculus rift to the rift s, or even the rift s to the far superior quest1/q2.

[oak wyvern]

alright thanks alot i think i should wait to see what cambria will be

[wispy orchid]

but in both cases i suggest getting a power bank, one that can quick charge/output at least 10 watts (5v-2a)

[worn gull]

So i gota say VR boxing is no joke. Its kicking my ass in more ways than one

[gloomy crater]

Definitely. Every time I try, it gives me flashbacks to wii sports

[worn gull]

according to good ol Samsung watch 4 classic i burnt threw like 800 calories in an hour.. max heart rate of 178

[cyan ether]

I'm using a 1650 Super with the OG Quest pretty smoothly rn

[distant spade]

1650 super is probably a little different performance wise, either way I'm probably gonna give it a shot once I get my 1650 either tomorrow or Wednesday.

[foggy heron]

1660 super or 1070? for vr

[gloomy crater]

Techpowerup says the 1070 is pretty much right on par with a 1660TI, or about 2% faster than the 1660 Super.

But the 2gb more vram would probably give the 1070 even more of an advantage

[green crypt]

vram on the 1070 is slower then 1660ti/supper tho

just get wat is cheaper tbh not much difference

[foggy heron]

so what if I wanted to stream? Turingd ncoder is wayy faster right?

[green crypt]

both are the same encorder only rtx had the better encoder if i remember it right

[haughty thistle]

Plus for VR, More VRAM > faster VRAM

Because of the higher resolutions and (usually) texture sizes, you kinda want as much VRAM as fits in your budget tbh

[foggy heron]

I looked it up and 1070 has the 6th gen encoder while the gtx 16- and rtx 20- gpus have the 7th gen

[haughty thistle]

Tests have shown that the Encoder on the GTX 16 cards performs in the real world about as well as the ones on the GTX 10 cards. If it is indeed a newer generation one, that it was castrated by Nvidia to perform worse then the ones on the 20 cards

[green crypt]

a 1070ti is great for vr still but it's starting to get a bit slow for vr can use the gpu 100% and vram 100% really easy

tho also depends on the cpu you have and the games you play

[haughty thistle]

I have a 3090 and I've managed to peg GPU usage to 100% in VRChat without much effort (tho VRAM was only at around 60-70%)

[foggy heron]

oh f- haven't considered that yet.. m stuck with a 4770k

[green crypt]

i'm on a 5800x3d and 1070ti and am gpu bound in vrc

not the worst cpu for vr at least not 3000 series intel but yeah bit old for vr tho will run it

[tawdry dove]

You mean gpu?

[timber heart]

im trying to connect my q2 to my pc via air link but today its been really fucky. rn ive removed it from the oculus app and im trying to reconnect it but my headset just sees it but says not connected, before in the oculus app (before i removed it) it said "general device error". any idea on how to get it to work?

also i tried restarting my headset and pc multiple times to no luck

and ive connected my headset to my pc via hotspot, and connecting them to the same wifi network (2 different ones)

btw im running my pc on win 11

ah forget it. ive use up a quarter of battery and an hour and a half just getting it to work and im not even in the mood to play any more. i'll just go to bed and fix it tomorow

fuck this shitty peice of software

[harsh niche]

windows 11 doesn't support it

facebook shit company

[haughty thistle]

Eh, I'd say most of the Win11 issues come from M$ being a 🍆
Win11 has a bunch of security stuff built in and forced upon users, with no real benefit to the general consumer (it's only for businesses with data worth stealing, where it does make a difference). In-Fact, it causes all sorts of issues with software that needs a close link to the hardware (aka basically any VR software). Ofc because WMR is essentially built into the OS, it circumvents all of these issues...

[finite yarrow]

How do you get the VR add on for the new Bedrock/win10 version of Minecraft? Everything im finding says its an upgrade or add on, and when i go to Minecrafts official page about it, it seems to only link to the base game. Am i missing something?

[haughty thistle]

From what I remember, running the Bedrock edition with a WMR headset active will automatically launch it in VR mode. If you have an Ocul- I mean Metabook headset, there's a VR add-on for the Bedrock edition in the Metabook PC store. For SteamVR there isn't an official way to play Bedrock edition Minecraft in VR afaik (although you may be able to get the Metabook add-on running through Revive)

[finite yarrow]

I saw the one in the oculus store, but was on my phone so i guess thats why it didnt give me info on downloading. Kind of a headache that theres not just a link of some kind somewhere in my install, especially since they merged. Same bs as the win11 stuff you guys were discussing earlier it seems. I guess they somehow think people are gunna sell what they have now and go buy a Microsoft headset? Instead of just giving up and avoiding stuff that they cant use their current hw with

[haughty thistle]

Honestly tho, Vivecraft (VR mod for Java-Edition Minecraft) is mich better when it comes to customizability as to how it plays...

[finite yarrow]

I bought both java and bedrock before they the client merged anyway so ill try both.

Since vivecraft is java, can you play standard java mods in it?

[haughty thistle]

Yup. You can

And no, the Java-Edition is still different to the Bedrock edition afaik

[green crypt]

i think he means he got bedrock for free as old java buyers got bedrock free but yeah they different

[finite yarrow]

No, bought both before the client merged. Forgot they gave 1 out if you owned the other. Oculus store version exists but isnt officially up for download right now it seems. Vivecraft it is

[timber heart]

Wait but I've used my headset on my pc before

Time to dual boot!

[finite yarrow]

Spend an hour or 2 getting modded vivecraft running, get into a test world to get a feel for it, and....my controllers died

[restive zodiac]

I don't know where to exactly ask that,but will a dedicated archer c6 do the trick for airlink?

[finite yarrow]

Worth trying. Im using airlink to an oculus quest 1 off just a regular old comcast box

[worn gull]

Being able to charge the quest 2 while playing is amazing.. game changer.

now if only i could find remotes for sale 😢

[haughty thistle]

If you're already running a cable to the headset, might as well transfer all the data over it. And whoops, now you've invented PCVR...

(honestly though, I don't understand people who'd rather take a Quest for PCVR only over something like the Reverb G2 (outside of money concerns)

[harsh niche]

probably the performance too

i would hate to get a shiny new piece of hardware just to have to turn the render resolution down 40%

well i wouldn't hate it... but you get the point

[atomic walrus]

Unfortunately doesn't keep it charged if you're using Oculus Link through your PC

[harsh niche]

mine does

it's plugged into a vrlink port on my 2070 which i think gives more power than a normal usb c port

sadly that's not a thing anymore

wonder why they got rid of it on the 30 series

[gloomy crater]

AMD adopted it on some 6000 series models in the same generation that Nvidia axed it lol

[pseudo wing]

i have massive frame drops in beatsaber

beatsaber only

it will stay consistant 90 and then drop to 0

bout every 10 secs

i7 12700h rtx 3060

laptop

im using alvr to stream to my quest 2

windows 11

it seems to run fine ffor about a min after first starrtup and then starts dropping

could be thermal throttling?

but gpu is only at 70 C and 60% usage

[worn gull]

It does if u use the right cable ✅

[simple juniper]

i bet $30 this is a problem with drivers

[wise crescent]

My friend is having this really weird problem with vr that their audio is crackling, vision disappears at times, bad framerates or the index is just not recognized at all by steam sometimes. The headset works fine on my computer but on his laptop these issues progressively got worse to now being unplayable when it worked fine in the past.

[harsh niche]

cable itself doesn't matter the port does

make sure to use motherboard usb front panel isn't as good

[haughty thistle]

It really depends on your motherboard. Whether the port is USB-C or Type-A doesn't really matter, what matters is the power delivery behind the port (which can vary wildly for USB)

[harsh niche]

yeah i mean i would think direct usb ports on the motherboard would have more power than a case port which is like an extension

[haughty thistle]

The extension literally doesn't change anything lol

It's a matter of how much power the port can deliver, not a matter of cable length (because that's literally all that case extension does)

[digital bolt]

have they tried other cables? Is the port on the headset loose or wiggly or messed up at all? Have they tried different ports on the motherboard?

[wise crescent]

My cable does the same thing for them, port on the headset is fine and no other ports because it's a laptop...

[worn gull]

Actually yes it does matter, the traditional link cable will not supply the needed power to sustain or charge the oculas.

The cable I posted has an additional input for the charging cable which bumps the amperage to hold the charge while playing.

[digital bolt]

Have you tried plugging his headset into your computer?

[wise crescent]

As I said in my first message, yes and it works no problem

[haughty thistle]

Honestly tho, you could build such a device realtively easily. Draw a tiny amount of power from the PC, pipe the USB pins right through, and pull all the power to the target from a secondary input...
No need for a special cable honestly (and it doesn't change the fact that as long as you don't use an outside power source, the PCs USB port is responsible for power delivery)
Not to mention that the Quest battery discharging during use may actually be a good thing (batteries don't like to be at 100% charge all the time)

[worn gull]

The cable i posted does not keep it at 100% it holds it at 70% it will charge the device if its below that threshold.

if your buying a link cable anyway i rather buy a $30 cable that will hold that charge of the headset than buying the default oculus link cable that will not.

[digital bolt]

My bad forgot u said that, whats the specs of his laptop? Also is there any visible physical issues with the port on his laptop?

+does the port work fine with anything else attached

[wise crescent]

Has a 3070 that's all I remember, port looks fine and works with his phone charging + can see it in windows without interruptions

[digital bolt]

in that case im out of ideas, sorry, other than reinstalling/updating drivers, steamvr, etc

[wise crescent]

Ye tried doing all that and did not help and that's why I'm so confused

[harsh niche]

so you're saying every single port on my computer right here outputs the same amount of power?

[leaden ruin]

so apparently disabling dlss in f1 2022 in vr increases performance

[haughty thistle]

I'm not saying that...

[atomic walrus]

Your average front I/O port isn’t gonna be less powerful than your average motherboard I/O port, but some motherboards have high-amperage ports for charging/DAC use

[harsh niche]

weird

whenever i used to charge my phone with my pc i would use the front panel connectors and it would go slow af but if i used one of the back ones it would go still pretty slow but better

[finite yarrow]

Different usb standards may explain this

[haughty thistle]

Or the ports on his front panel are connected to a different controller with less power delivery...

[digital bolt]

usb has a whole array of possible power delivery standards, most having very low power delivery if any at all, usb c can go all the way up to 240w or just be like 2 w

[finite yarrow]

Can anyone point me where to get a left battery cover for a quest 1 remote? Magnet came out, superglued it back in, but accidentally did it the wrong way after triple checking it was right. I fucked up now im pissed

[tight fiber]

can't you buy solvents for super glue?

[finite yarrow]

Idk ill try it. Its a fairly tight fit so i wasnt sure if remover could even get in there. Tried asking Meta to let me pay them for one, their response was pretty much go buy a new controller for $70

Goof off definitely isnt plastic safe. Goo gone maybe seems to be but it doesnt specifically say. Those are just the 2 im seeing on Amazon

[turbid tangle]

is it worth buying a full valve index kit for $400

[harsh niche]

you can get it for that cheap?

[turbid tangle]

yeah. found it on offer up for $400. seems to only have minor usage ( a few months) and from the pictures looks decent. its from someone rated well so i think its legit

[opal prairie]

If it is in good shape, you are practically stealing it. But to be clear, when you say full kit you mean headset, wire, two valve index controllers and two second generation light towers? For 400?

The kit is 999.00 USD new. The freakin' tether wire replacement alone is 129.

And most all of it is perpetually out of stock.

I love mine. I upgraded from the OG HTC Vive and even though my Vive is wireless, I almost never turn it on. That 144hz and wide field of view is just too sweet. I can't go back.

[turbid tangle]

yeah. it seems to be in good shape but idk the generation of the towers. i would send a picture but idk if im allowed in this channel. i know it would be a good upgrade from the original quest but its still a lot of money

[opal prairie]

If they are valve index towers, they are 2.0. The index works with the old vive first gen towers so some people (like me) saved a buck and just got the headset and controllers.

But the headset alone is 499 new so it's still a good deal even if it has first gen vive towers.

[turbid tangle]

it doesn't say in the description and i cant tell by the picture. it there a key difference that would help

[opal prairie]

index towers look like this: ****

[turbid tangle]

that looks about right

[opal prairie]

first gen vive towers look like this:

[turbid tangle]

yeah they are definitely the index towers

[opal prairie]

If you have the money and you want VR, index is, in my opinion, the best out right now.

And if you can get in at 400, that's mind blowing.

I am wondering what the catch is.

[turbid tangle]

would it be hard to resell if after a month or so i didnt find it worth it. i do enjoy vr and was thinking of making some of the lucasvr gloves for my quest but idk if its worth most of the money i have right now

[opal prairie]

Probably not hard to sell, other than the obvious pain in the butt of putting it up and dealing with all the hoomans that respond to your ad.

[turbid tangle]

i feel like there should be one but at the same time the photos look fine and the seller seems reliable. since its a local pickup i could check it out in more detail before i make the final sale

[turbid tangle]

do you think i could profit by selling it somewhere besides offerup?

[opal prairie]

dunno.

[turbid tangle]

should i try getting it down to $300 just for the hell of it

[opal prairie]

Hahaha...I'm already sitting here thinking 400 is too good to be true, but go on and try.

I'mma be shocked if it's still there when you look again.

[turbid tangle]

i think there is no way they would go for it but it doesnt hurt to try. and after offering 300, if they say no i can try and make 350 sound good

[opal prairie]

Can't hurt. Just be careful. If it's a local sale too good to be true, eyes out for safety when you go.

[turbid tangle]

yeah

ive done a few other sales that were almost too good to be true and somehow they all went well. im guessing people in my area just dont understand the value of what they are selling

[opal prairie]

Good luck. I'm out for the night.

[turbid tangle]

thanks. i hope this for some reason works

[finite yarrow]

That's not how that works. Even if you could, the system processes the game needs would still be running and accessable to anyone that can use the system

[haughty thistle]

There are some monitors that still register to the GPU even when turned off. But honestly, if your parents forbid you to play something, it's probably for the better 🙂

[opal prairie]

And you could easily wind up getting your vr headset confiscated.

[opal prairie]

If the 'rents have decided you aren't ready for on-screen nudity, imagine how they'll react to the very idea of VR nudity. You could easily turn them against the whole idea of gaming, then you'll really be screwed.

[haughty thistle]

Welp... the original message is gone, but I'm still going to add to this:
I can say from experience (am 23 now) that Parents generally want the best for their child. From the perspective of the child, it may not seem like it, but they really do care. Yes, there are Parents that don't care at all, but those parents also don't care if the game their child is playing portrays genocide or something of the likes...

[opal prairie]

Ah well, poor kid. I feel for him. My parents didn't let me play d&d when I was his age and when I rebelled and did it anyway, it confirmed their worst fears and they took all my books and destroyed them....with fire. That was nearly 35 years ago and I still play d&d. At the time it was pretty traumatic to have something that was such a big part of my life...something I'd paid for and put so much time into...taken away, but in retrospect, I understand that my parents genuinely believed the game was going to harm me. They were wrong about that, but it came from a good place.

[leaden ruin]

i sometimes play mandy's room when noone is home

its definitely a interesting game

its 18+ though

[haughty thistle]

I mean, my parents let me play Command & Conquer back when I was like 12. Those games are only rated 16 and up tho...

Just depends on the parents I guess...

[atomic walrus]

I got Assassins Creed & Left 4 Dead with a GameStop gift card and my parents made me return L4D but not AC after seeing the boxes

Because shooting zombies was no bueno but impaling humans with a wrist sword is totally fine

[opal prairie]

Parents get bombarded by ads and people and groups and media telling them how technology and games and modern stuff is going to destroy their children...it's understandable that they may get a bit paranoid.

I was on a panel at a convention that all the panelists were told was going to be on old time science fiction, so we had all prepped for that. I showed up with stacks of novels by tanith lee and andre norton and the like... But it turned out there was a mistake on the program so everyone in the audience was there to hear about VR... I was the one person on the panel who owned a VR system and I ended up having a heated discussion with a luddite on the panel who was convinced in her bones that VR was going to destroy everything good in society. She stated that we should burn all the kids' VR systems and make them read books. I was like, "I don't see why we can't have both?"
On that note, I would LOVE to see a kindle VR app where you can sit and read books in your kindle library in idyllic settings.

Ditto for Audible.

(thought it is easy enough to just play an audible title in a vr setting... the kindle thing would be more useful)

If you made it so the book was tied to the controller and turning the page was a trigger pull, how cool would that be?

or maybe for a more tactile ui, swiping back or forward on the track pad for page turns. might be better.

[gloomy crater]

Growing up, my parents would only let me fps play games if the enemies were aliens, or if they were humans it had to be in a cartoonish setting. The only games I had access to at the time that met those requirements were Halo and team fortress 2. Even nowadays, I scarcely find myself interested in anything rated 'mature' bc I just wasn't exposed to that kind of stuff growing up. I've only recently found myself wanting to play Devil May Cry 5, a couple of the resident evil games, and metal gear rising reveangence, all of which I've gotten randomly from PC hardware bundles and have been in my steam library for years and only just now decided I'd like to play them. What you spend your time doing growing up tends to mold how you see stuff later on, sometimes in weird ways. At least that's my experience

Hell, team fortress 2 pretty much taught me how to type efficiently on a keyboard, and I'm in a much better situation to enjoy stuff like DMC, RE, and Metal Gear nowadays than I ever was back then. So I like to think my parents had at least some semblance of knowing what they were doing despite the otherwise overall neglect...

[rotund loom]

i’m trying to use a psvr as a monitor on a pi, and it worked perfectly. then it stopped working and i had to replace a fuse right next to the barrel plug input on the processor unit and now i get an error on the headset that says a usb is not connected when it’s plugged in

@ me if you can help please

[harsh niche]

why… just why

[haughty thistle]

Honestly tho, there are already some studies that at least hint at, that VR may cause permanent problems with the developing mind and eyes of a child. So personally I'd say that VR should be something for ages 14+, if not 16+...
Things like underdeveloped eyes (aka permanent deficiencies in eye sight like problems with focusing) and issues with body balance are affects of VR on kids that shouldn't be understated!

[gloomy crater]

It would be some sort of cosmic comedy if it turned out that facebook's 13+ account restriction actually helped people by making sure that someone young enough to be seriously affected by VR wasn't exposed to it too early, and then everyone goes out of their way to circumvent it

[finite yarrow]

Can you use usb storage on the Quest or Quest 2 specifically for games?

[opal prairie]

There is definitely something to be said for waiting before letting a child have VR for visual reasons. Trying it out here and there isn't going to do any harm, but spending long periods of time in VR is a different story. The reason for this is that VR has a fixed focal distance. I believe the Quest had a 1.5m (4'11") FD and the Quest 2 has a 2m (6'7") focal distance. The Index is also 2m, as are mot VR systems.

What this means is that no matter how near or far the thing you are looking at in VR is supposed to be from your eyes, the lenses in your eyeballs will act like it is at 2m in order to focus on it. So if you need glasses to see things that are 2m away, you'll need them in VR. If you don't, you won't.

This is great if you are getting old and need readers to see things up close because you won't need your reading glasses in VR. I'm in my fifties so I get eye strain from real world vision because I can no longer focus on near things. In VR that goes away, and it is kind of nice.

But if you are very young, extended VR time could lead to you sitting around with your young lenses at a fixed focal distance. You might not learn how to properly focus at varying distances. We really don't know what the effect will be, and time spent in a game can wrack up. There is a very real possibility that children who spend extended time in VR will have altered focusing, tracking, and depth perception that is optimized for a virtual world rather than a real world.

I've been using VR since my original HTC Vive preorder came in and I have wracked up some serious hours. According to steam my usage time is 7,873 hours. A lot of that is watching movies or tv on the 8000 inch screen in a VR desktop app, and some of that is just me using the VR desktop to focus on my writing when I'm feeling particularly distractable, but I'm old and no one cares what happens to my eyes.

Most of my progenitors had age related macular degeneration and I have the genes. I'm fully expecting to go mostly blind in about ten to fifteen years, assuming they don't find a cure, but just in case I can't see later, I better get on with seeing all the things now!

(The woman at the convention's concerns weren't based on eye biology. Her fear was that video games, television, and VR in particular would stunt the imagination by removing the need to imagine. I am of the opinion that her assertion demonstrated an ironic lack of imagination. She saw technology and literature as mutually exclusive. I did not. We mostly debated whether or not the two could coexist as storytelling mediums.)

I feel like there must be some sort of mistake. I turn everything off when I'm not using it.

But yeah, you probably wouldn't want developing eyes spending that much time at a fixed focal distance.

[haughty thistle]

There is a very real possibility that children who spend extended time in VR will have altered focusing
I mean, we're already seeing the affects of not exercising the focal muscles at a young age in China. Most Children there spend most their time nowadays indoors (where large focal distances aren't that much of a thing), and like 80% of their kids under 12 have to wear glasses...

[opal prairie]

Most kids in America spend most of their time indoors nowadays too. My brothers and I spent pretty much every possible moment outside. The joke about your mom telling you "... and don't come back in until it's dark outside," is accurate. We were free range children. Did we maybe mess with rattlesnakes and poke at bees nests and throw rocks at the train as it went by and occasionally nearly die, all without our parents ever being any the wiser? Yes, yes we did, but by god our eyes got trained... or not. LOL. Yep, we all wear glasses/contacts or have had surgical correction. Our grandma said it was because we read too much. Dad had an impressive sci fi library and we devoured it.

But that's just an anecdote. On average, the more time a kid spends indoors, the more likely they are to need glasses later. Sitting in front of a computer screen or reading a book largely fixes your focal distance, just not as extremely as VR does.

I have noticed a marked improvement in my reaction times from the 459 hours I've spent playing Beat Saber though. Nothing in my real life forces me to keep track of so many moving things. I've had some real Matrix moments in RL when I catch falling stuff since I started playing Beat Saber. I wish I could see how I stack up against other players my age. Reaction times start declining in your mid twenties.

[gloomy crater]

I wish I had that kind of childhood. My sister and I would sneak out of the house to go to the nearby pond, and then we'd get caught by our parents and get in trouble because we weren't normally allowed outside. We were 10 and 12 at the time, old enough to know what we were doing. But our parents were too paranoid about what 'might' happen to us to consider the damage they were doing by keeping us inside all the time. Now both me and my sister need glasses, she less so than me. She can see across a room but not words on a billboard, and can see in VR totally fine, while I can barely see text written on my hand if I hold it outstretched, and have needed lenses in every VR headset I've ever owned. People always say 'it's because you spend so much time staring at those computer and phone screens!' but we weren't allowed to have phones or computers until way after our eye issues started.

I try my best to educate my largely technically inept family on computers and their usefulness, but there are a fair few of them with small children (<10 years old) asking me what VR headset would be best for their children and then acting genuinely surprised when I tell them that it's not a good idea

It's just not something people really think about unless you tell them to I guess. I can't really fix the way I am now, but at least with this info I'll be able to strike a balance between encouraging the responsible use of fun and interesting technology, and going outside and experiencing the real world on a regular basis when I eventually have children

[hushed pond]

steamvr is bugged and will multiply hours by tenfold for some reason, its highly innacurate and everyone i know has that bug
like it says i have 7,1k hours
but then says i had 15k hours at the time of my steamvr review

combining my vr game hours i have closer to a average of 3k hours

[opal prairie]

That does sound a bit more realistic.

[harsh niche]

I used to play outside a lot up until i was like 12 or 13 then i played pc a lot instead of just occasional xbox

now i just sit here on my computer watching youtube videos because nothing seems fun

vr just hurts my eyes

like some of the games look like a lot of fun but then i remember my eyes hurting and my neck hurting from the weight of the hmd and im just like ah forget it

[hushed pond]

casually have daily vr sessions for hours

[harsh niche]

😭

[turbid tangle]

i have that same problem but i think that the negatives could mostly be attributed to my horrible headset (the original oculus quest). im currently looking to buy a valve index in hopes that it would make the experience better but after hearing all this im not sure that it won't, despite the better design, just make these problems worse because of the increased weight. on top of that i dont know if having a more comfortable headset is worth $300-$400

[hushed pond]

yes it is true that it is heavier but i do believe that the head support is very well designed to make that weight feel comfortable

i do not tried anything else but a vive (with the god awful stock strap) and index, so i may be biased

[opal prairie]

The og stock strap on the vive was horrid, and it didn't have any built in headphones either. I upgraded to the better headstrap as soon as it came out. I have the index now, and the way the speakers sit out away from your head really helps with the comfort. It's quite nice not to have anything covering over or inside your ears when you've already got a headset on.

For seated games, the Secret Labs chairs with the memory foam pillows are awesome because you can slide the pillow down so it's at your neck and lean back without the headset tilting your head at an odd angle.

On the subject of VR comfort, if you velcro your hotas to a lap desk, it won't slide around and you can lean back and be comfortable while you play.

Put your feet on the pedals and you feel like you really are in a cockpit.

Works for most any flight game. I have a keyboard and trackball stuck to another lap desk for using the virtual desktop.

[turbid tangle]

Whenever I use a link cable for my headset I’m getting 1.7gbps speed average when I’m using a cable and port that are both 10gbps. Is this normal?

[digital bolt]

Maybe the port on the headset only supports 1.7gbps unless u mean both ports are 10gig

[turbid tangle]

It might be. I got the original quest back in 2019 or so and I’m guessing they weren’t expecting graphic heavy pcvr usage

[rotund ember]

Bro you got nothing compared to this 😎

[gloomy crater]

wha

I mean, mine says 850 hours when all my VR games combined total out to ~150

[glad sand]

Sounds like a better HMD is in order 😉

[glad sand]

Might be worth a shot, gf never played VR with a Vive (DAS or no) bc it made her head hurt but the Index she has 0 problems and can play for hours comfortably

[harsh niche]

quest 2 moment

[gloomy crater]

Yeah that was pretty much my experience. The original Quest 1 strap was headache incarnate, as were both the original Quest 2 and Elite straps. I got the vive DAS for my Quest and it made it a lot better but the shape still wasn't quite right for my head. The index is pretty much the most comfortable HMD I've ever used. Being able to loosen one knob, and swap out my sweaty facial interface with a completely dry one and then go back to playing like I never took it off is something I'm really happy about.

[turbid tangle]

im assuming so but does the jump from 94-130 fov make a big difference

[haughty thistle]

Once you get used to the Index (or even the OG Vive), the Quest will feel like looking through binoculars tbh

[harsh niche]

index has 130 degree fov?

the index looks great but the resolution might be an issue for me

and the price of course

[turbid tangle]

Yeah. I found one for 400 and put in a lowball for 300 but no response. If it weren’t for the good deal there would be no way I’d ever buy something like that. If I could afford it I’d just wait and save for a varjo aero

[glad sand]

For a full set or just the headset? Full sets used you can snag for $600 locally or $700 shipped pretty easily

And for like lightly used usually, people don’t sell them too often if they have a lot of use since they still use them :)

[turbid tangle]

Full set weirdly enough

[glad sand]

Oh wow, guessing that's local?

[turbid tangle]

yeah

[glad sand]

Yeah I mean even at $400 a full set is a great deal in good condition

[bitter fable]

hey so can i get help with vr stuff here?

[glad sand]

Yes :)

[bitter fable]

okay, i was over in tech support but since i mostly use my pc for pc vr i thought i might try here too

so in short, trying to play vrchat in full body. screen flashes grey, and the noise for disconnecting a usb plays 7-8 times and then the connect noise also play 7-8 times and i get a flash of the game and then back to grey and noises.

[turbid tangle]

im assuming you're using vive trackers?

[bitter fable]

yes

2.0s

i have a
ryzen 5 3600
3060
gigabyte aorus b550m pro-p
valve index full kit
3 vive 2.0 trackers
1.5 terrabytes of space with 241gb free
16 gb ram obv

[bitter fable]

yes

[turbid tangle]

am i allowed to send links? i think i found a post with someone that is having your same problem

just joined a few days ago so i have no idea what i should and shouldnt do

[bitter fable]

actually i am soliciting this, send it in pms

[turbid tangle]

k

[haughty thistle]

It sounds very much like your USB controller is restarting from being overloaded...

[bitter fable]

but my pc holds 11 devices and im only using 7

[gloomy crater]

Odds are nobody ever expected someone to be running that many bandwidth dependent devices off the same controller at once

[green crypt]

use this tool https://k2vr.tech/UsbTreeView.exe to see the usb controllers

[bitter fable]

Im still trying to fix the issue. As I use voice meeter banana to handle my audio so I can play music for other people in vrchat. If my headphones are using a usb then it will also disconnect my audio from voice meeter. And I have to refresh the connections manually

[bitter fable]

does this make any more sense to you than it does to me?

[green crypt]

yeah plug some devices in on the second controller it's overloading that one controller

or get a pci usb card for the tracking dongles as amd controllers have issues with dongles

[bitter fable]

well, i dont know how to unload stuff from the first controller everything when it was plugged in at all was mostly on the first one

[green crypt]

it's use different usb ports

[turbid tangle]

i dont know if this applies but have you made sure to disable the usb power setting that typically messes with the oculus link?

its in advanced power settings called usb selective suspend setting. i noticed a minor but noticeable increase in performance with link

[bitter fable]

so for some reason everything is a little fucky, imma make a diagram so that yall can see

[bitter fable]

this?

[turbid tangle]

yeah. but also this

[bitter fable]

how do i reach that?

[turbid tangle]

in the search bar type power and select edit power plan. after that below the display and sleep settings there should be advanced settings

[turbid tangle]

did you have this on before or was it always off?

[bitter fable]

it was always off

[bitter fable]

so i said fuck it and just put my photos on a google drive and deleted everything

and it worked

[pulsar glacier]

Im trying to use the Anker Premium 3-in-1 USB-C Hub 1H1C1A connected to my PC's only USB-C port, and a 65W PD charger to the hub, with a USB 2.0 Type A to C cable to my Oculus Quest 1 for Oculus Link, but the Quest doesn't recognize the PC/Oculus App and vise versa. The Quest still gets power, and the PC recognizes the Anker Hub in device manager. I've seen other people online use USB Hubs for Oculus Link, and a direct USB 2.0 connection works just fine so I'm confused why this one doesn't work

Specs:

B450 Tomahawk Max
Ryzen 5 3600X
16GB RAM
Radeon RX 5700 XT

[thorny plume]

Anyone used the quest 2? Thinking about picking one up, that price looks really spicy

[pulsar glacier]

100% (note that i have not used a Quest 2)

you also speak of the price, but its cheaper and more powerful than the Q1

as long as you have good space and money to buy some good games its a great choice IMO

if you plan on using PCVR exclusively you dont even need a high storage model

[thorny plume]

Oh I was saying that the price is good

[pulsar glacier]

ah ok

yeah i regret buying the Q1 when i did,

i bought it right before the first teasers or leaks or whatever for the Q2 started to come out

if i had been a bit more patient i could have discovered a much better product

but oh well

i can just sell my Q1- oh wait :/

[thorny plume]

How's the tracking?

[pulsar glacier]

like i said above i dont have the Q2, but the Q1 tracking is good. even with a broken tracking ring on the right controller it works fine

sometimes it takes a minute to grab its surroundings to set up tracking? but thats uncommon

The Q2 has much better hand tracking than the Q1 from what ive seen

I would imagine the Q2 has better tracking in general than the Q1 but i havent looked into that

one thing to know is that you're gonna need to hand over your soul to Facebook sign in with a Facebook account

[gentle river]

I just recently got a quest 2. Let me tell you, it's one of the best pieces of tech i have ever picked up other than computer stuff. Seriously fun (especially with PCVR compatibility). TBH the whole Facebook thing isn't really a bother to me at all and doesn't affect my daily life. so i don't think it's a huge deal like how people are making it. I would recommend getting a third party elite strap tho if you plan on getting better comfort and not wanting to buy the Official elite strap (Which has a fundamental design issue causing it to break easily). i would recommend the KIWI elite strap instead. Overall, i think the quest 2 is a step into where technology is now, and maybe where it will be in the future

[pulsar glacier]

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/s2w3xu/everybody_who_owns_a_quest_2_read_this/
Information, primarily support, for Q2 (applicable to Q1 as well)

I just read through it all and found a lot of it quite useful

[turbid tangle]

Did you have the q1 before?

[pulsar glacier]

I personally don't think replacing the Q1 Is worth it, but getting a Q2 in addition, especially for family would be a pretty good choice for things like beat Saber, gorilla tag, rec room etc

Okay maybe not gorilla tag in the same room

[thorny plume]

The oculus link cable, is it just a USB A Cable?? lmao

[pulsar glacier]

You know what I mean

[pulsar glacier]

(AFAIK) The official one is a USB3 Type A to C fiber optical cable that is made for no interference, and (maybe) power

[thorny plume]

I'll probably just use their airlink then

[pulsar glacier]

I've been using a generic 10ft USB2 A to C cable for PCVR, the quality isn't the greatest, and there are times when it has a stuttering fit but I find it perfectly usable

I tried Air Link on my Wi-Fi, no dedicated router or anything, and it wasn't the greatest so I plan on figuring a dedicated wireless option tomorrow

[thorny plume]

I think it’ll be interesting for me, the longest I’ve been in VR is like 10 minutes

I loved it though

[harsh niche]

Definitely get a kiwi strap not an elite strap

cheaper but it’s also 100x more comfortable 100x more durable

and you’re not giving extra money to Facebook 😁

[haughty thistle]

For Quest Link (especially with the Q2) you want a USB 3.0 cable. Not a 2.0 one. Maybe that's the problem you were facing earlier @pulsar glacier...

[pulsar glacier]

It could be, but I have no way to troubleshoot that specific issue since my kiwi link cable is busted from ages ago

Could there be any other reason? Or will I have to buy a USB3 cable

I know it's the best experience yadda yadda anyways, but I already have a bunch of cables which all work fine for me (except for power)

Hence my need for the powered hub

[haughty thistle]

For the Quest 1, all a 3.0 cable brings you is additional stability. Thing is, Quest link already runs at the limits of USB 2.0, and at those speeds, USB 2.0 can be unstable. For the Quest 2, a 3.0 cable unlocks additional bandwidth for better image quality (of which you want as much as possible, to not have an absolute potato image; granted it's still kinda potato, but not as potato as with a 2.0 cable)

[thorny plume]

Gotcha, has anyone used HTC Vive Trackers with the quest? Was looking into a setup like that. Did the math and it's shockingly close to just buying a valve index kit....

[pulsar glacier]

I can't remember if LTT showed them, but Thrillseeker (a VR Youtuber) has posted many videos on cheaper alternative full body trackers

Some even DIY

And by cheaper alternatives I don't mean 3rd party hardware off AliExpress, they're like, idk how to explain, lemme see if I can find some vids

https://youtu.be/O13L5MxOlHo
https://youtu.be/TfCSKM0MyrQ
https://youtu.be/aZ4EnAgDA9E

[haughty thistle]

SlimeVR is dirt cheap, but as Thrill showed in his video, you need to be willing to tinker with stuff, and not mind the occasional drift (which takes like 10 minutes to rectify)
The HaritoraX works on the same principle as SlimeVR, but with much, much better software. Like to the point where when the drift, it's rather quick to recalibrate. They do still drift tho, just like SlimeVR does. Costs about as much as a 3-pair of Vive 2.0 Trackers, so if you already have Lighthouses, there's not a real reason to go with the HaritoraX over the Vive Trackers, unless you see a big value in being able to wrap yourself up in a blanket. Considering that sleeping in VR isn't really recommended anyways, I personally don't see any value in that tbh...

[thorny plume]

Oooh okay thanks for the resources guys! I’ll give em a look through

[pulsar glacier]

The sleeping in vr part made me think of this
https://youtu.be/BGRY14znFxY

[oblique spear]

I was looking for a virtual reality headset, should i go for a quest or a vive focus plus?

[haughty thistle]

Quest or Reverb G2. The Vive Foxus line of headsets is designed for businesses and as such has barely any software available for it. Besides that, they're also more expensive then other options out there

If you don't intend on using the standalone features of the Quest 2, then the Reverb G2 is probably the better option. In sales it can be had for about as much as a kitted out Quest 2, and offers a much better PCVR experience then the Quest could ever offer...

[oblique spear]

I heard the focus plus could be hooked up to a playstation, xbox, and steam and it has a library of its own thus called the first hybrid
Thats why i mainly asked

[haughty thistle]

First time I'm hearing about this tbh

[oblique spear]

same i just saw it today

The reverb is half the price of the focus plus

So its really appealing

But i also want to be able to use it on my ps4

Im really inbetween

[haughty thistle]

You won't be able to use any VR headset other then the PSVR with the PS4...

[oblique spear]

It says an adapter in the video i watched

[haughty thistle]

Press 🇽 to doubt

[oblique spear]

I can send it if you want so you cna check it out aswell

Bc im not quite sure

https://youtu.be/o2xv61VFhLU

This is the video

[haughty thistle]

Just like with those "adapters" to use the Vive Wireless Adapter with the Index. Those things are fake..
Only thing I can think of is using a capture card to get the 2D video feed on a PC, and displaying that in a virtual cinema

But VR on the PS4 is limited to the PSVR :/

[haughty thistle]

That's Tyriel Wood, so unlikely that it's fake, but like I said, best I can think of is that it comes with like a capture card included? Or at least as a seperate add-on? Definitely no PSVR compatible...

Mind you the Vive Focus Plus is a pretty old headset, so standalone as demonstrated in that Video is also possible on the Quest with a larger library. Keep in mind tho that for the Quest you need a Facebook account to set it up and play purchased games

[oblique spear]

How about reverb

Do i need an account?

[haughty thistle]

Nope. The Reverb works right out of the box, as long as you have Windows 10 or 11 installed

[oblique spear]

Does it make a difference in performance?

I just need decent video quality with the least amount of lag

[haughty thistle]

The Quest has some compute overhead, as the image needs to be compressed, sent over USB and then decompressed again on the Quest. As a result there's about 50ms of lag and a higher GPU/CPU load then comparable headsets at a similar resolution. Same with the Focus line of headsets. In-fact all standalone headsets without a native display in have that compute overhead and lag.

If you're talking about running a console game with a capture card, that depends on the capture card...

[oblique spear]

No i mainly want to use it on pc

But my dad has a ps4 so if the focus plus has that ability it would be useful for him and me both

[haughty thistle]

I'm doubtful. From what I've seen in that video, Tyriel was talking about Desktop streaming capabilities of the focus (aka use as a monitor for PCs), not some mythical adapter that can make it function as a display for any device...

[oblique spear]

Does hp have the compute overhead thing?

[haughty thistle]

Nope. It' has a native DisplayPort connection straight to the GPU. No compression or overhead

[oblique spear]

So the least lag

From what i get

[haughty thistle]

Yup

[oblique spear]

And it doesnt have compression and decompression so the visual quality is more dependant on the gpu rather than the compression

Am i correct?

[haughty thistle]

Well, at least there's no compression that can lower image quality further or generate unnecessary loads. Resolution and game detail depends on how fast your PC is

[oblique spear]

I have a 1650 laptop will it run vr games at 1080p and 60fps ?

[haughty thistle]

Rule of thumb for VR image quality:

Forget everything you know about image quality in gaming.

A 1650 is on the lower end (especially as you mentioned it's a laptop 😬). 30-40% render res should be fine, but you might want to get a better PC, before you think about getting into PCVR...
Keep in mind that for VR, your GPU needs to render every frame twice (once for each eye), and a preferable frame rate in VR is 90fps to not get motion sick. 1080p though the lens in VR would look about as detailed as going right up to the screen on an old 480i TV. So you'd preferably want 1440p per eye or higher to not just see a giant grid of dots...

[oblique spear]

So what kind of pc would you recommend me to get to run games at the lowest settings that can count as high res without getting me motion sick?

Preferrably a desktop

[haughty thistle]

A current gen 6-core CPU (like an i5 or Ryzen 5), an RTX 2060/3050 or comparable for the GPU (with at minimum 4GB of VRAM) and 16GB of RAM

Desktops come in all shapes and forms. Choose what matches or exceeds those specs and fits whin your budget 🙂

Mind you these are based on Desktop hardware, for laptops, those specs should be higher

[oblique spear]

My budget is really low but ill do some things if i can

Theyre like 20k or 17k in my money

[haughty thistle]

[oblique spear]

Probably in a few years i can get that money

Or by a 12 month tax

Somehow

[wise crescent]

Prebuilt

[oblique spear]

I mean i could buy the parts and build myself but this is the prebuilt prices

To show mow much it would cost in total

[wise crescent]

They tend to skimp on the mb and psu, dunno about msi though

[haughty thistle]

I mean, good luck finding a GPU for a decent price in Turkey rn. The worth of Turkish Lira has plummeted the last couple of months...

[oblique spear]

Yup

[wise crescent]

Oof...

[oblique spear]

17.29 is one dollar i think

Anyways

Ill do it somehow

[haughty thistle]

🤞

[oblique spear]

This is almost half the prebuilts price

40% of a prebuilt price is a gpu

[haughty thistle]

RIP

[oblique spear]

Last question do you think an rx580 would do the job of a 2060 or a 3050 in vr games?

My friends tell me that rx580 is rlly underrated for its price

About 5k

[green crypt]

it it's a 8gb 580 it's an okay card for vr but a 2060 is better 580 is pretty much minimum recommended

[haughty thistle]

I'm not sure, but the 1650 mobile he has right now, might fall in about the same ballpark when it comes to performance tho...

[green crypt]

when building a vr rig pretty much try a 1070 minimum these days

as that is good for vr just the main thing is slow vram vs newer cards and only 8gb vram tho that depends on the games you play if you hit that limit

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, and in terms of perf it's roughly like this: 1070 = 2060 = 3050 (not quite, but close enough)
I just checked and the 580 is better in some games then the 1650 Desktop 💀

[green crypt]

i would say 1070 is more of a 1660 supper/ti equivalent but yeah

[plucky condor]

I had a 1650Super and it was significantly slower than my 1070 (non-ti), yeah a 1660Super/ti is a fair comp

[rapid otter]

The 1650 super is a xx50 model, it's the 1050 ti successor so it's not really comparable with xx60/70 models

[pulsar glacier]

Am upcoming change to oculus quest

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Those who still have an OG Oculus account now need to migrate to Facebook then to Meta, in order to keep being able to use their hardware. If they don't, then too bad, your account's gone, and so are your purchases...

At least starting from 2023. Originally, they were going to let OG Oculus account users continue to use their hardware and play their purchased games, just not with the ability to buy any more games or play multiplayer. Now they're pulling the rug out under those who refuse to create a Facebook account (like me)

[harsh niche]

damn you best me to it

I wonder what kind of things they have hidden in the fine print of the changes

[pulsar glacier]

I've been sticking with the oculus account but I'll succumb to The Zuck

Lol just opened reddit to this

[harsh niche]

are meta accounts just the equivalent of old oculus accounts?

[pulsar glacier]

Idk, it sounds like a Meta account is what Meta hopes to be the only account you'll ever need for signing into all Metaverse things

[sullen linden]

sad you need an account to use a peripheral

like imagine if you needed a playstation account to use a ds4 on pc

it's the stupidest fucking thing ever

[finite yarrow]

Not that i have anything good to say about Metabook, but the quest isnt really a peripheral. Its a standalone device

[sullen linden]

yeah that's true

[haughty thistle]

Ok, regarding my Doom and Gloom comment I put regarding the end of support of Oculus accounts:
It looks like their wording was just not so great in the E-Mail they had sent out to developers? A couple of hours later, I received another E-Mail (clearly targeted at consumers and not developers), which had this to say regarding the end of Oculus Account support:

No word on how the conversion process from Oculus directly to Meta works, but alright...
At least I won't be sitting on like 600€ worth of e-waste...

[pulsar glacier]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest2/comments/srkcgo/-/i336rdd
Does anyone know anything more on the AMD GPU AirLink speed cap?

I use an AMD GPU and as far as I can tell USB2 speeds are faster than the current AirLink speeds for AMD GPUs

[pulsar glacier]

digged a little deeper and it sounds like Q1 can only support 150mbps on USB? Max?

so is there any point on upgrading to a USB3 Cable?

i mean i personally am fine with USB2 performance but something nicer would be, well, nice

[atomic walrus]

This is a big reason why I’m so hesitant to get an oculus device. My buddy lent me his Quest 2 to introduce me to VR and the brand-new Facebook account I made to use it was suspended three times in the first two weeks

[pulsar glacier]

They're pushing so hard for facebook/meta accounts but don't give ample support for them, and makes it harder to use

[weak bluff]

Not anymore

You no longer need facebook to play Quest 2

You need meta accounts tho but it does not require facebook or any social media linking

[pulsar glacier]

Yeah ik that we were talking about it earlier, but I feel like the problem might persist

[haughty thistle]

Yeah stability. The closer you get to the maximum supported speed if a USB spec, the more likely it is that a lower quality cable will cause drop-outs, instability and other shinanigans you don't want while in VR. USB 3.0 gives ample of headroom, meaning it should be overall more stable

[thorny plume]

Wait so if it gets suspended you can’t use it? that’s hilarious. Love you Facebook ❤️

[pulsar glacier]

IIRC Some people have gotten their Quests bricked because of Facebook account trouble

[harsh niche]

This 3090 seems almost normally priced at micro center

Oh wow $1500 is msrp

[haughty thistle]

😮

[pulsar glacier]

You shoulda kept that to yourself smh

Now I'm off gonna buy me some 3090s /j

[gloomy crater]

I bought a 6900XT for $1700 eight months ago because I thought prices were never going to come down. It is now one of my biggest regrets ever. I could have a 3090 by now if I had just waited

[digital bolt]

i wouldnt worry about it, that card is still gonna kill at everything you throw at it for years

[harsh niche]

[gloomy crater]

That was kinda the intention when I bought it. I had swapped out my personal card four times in the three years prior, so I just wanted something I could just buy and then use for as long as possible. I'm planning on upgrading my monitor to a Samsung G8 Neo, and after that there's literally nothing else in my setup that could feasibly get any better, so I'll just have this same setup for a good few years until I absolutely need to upgrade.

I'm hoping I can make it to 2030 without upgrading anything in my setup once I get that monitor

(except my VR headset, of course. That's not really part of the main setup)

[finite yarrow]

What are the major differences between Quest Beatsaber and Steam Beatsaber? Base game, modding, etc.

[pulsar glacier]

IIRC the Steam ver has a mapping tool? Also maybe better overall quality

I bought the Steam ver just for occasional modding, even though I already have Quest ver

[finite yarrow]

Meaning its easier to get music i would assume? Ive heard of automap gen and stuff

[pulsar glacier]

No like custom map making

Not sure tho

[pulsar glacier]

Figured out a good way to get a power bank on my quest

I think I can charge the power bank while it's connected to the quest too?

Iirc the power bank can charge at 10 watts and the output is 10 watts so it's essentially pass-through charging

Now I just need to figure out a good Airlink setup or powered oculus link

Soon battery drain will be a thing of the past!

Okay now back to Pokémon TCGO

[pulsar glacier]

Nvm it doesn't charge while its being charged

That's fine

[finite yarrow]

Get some velcro for that instead of the hard clip. Can get padding and run the Velcro under the padding so you dont even feel it

[pulsar glacier]

Yeah I want to at some point, this is just a temporary solution

[pulsar glacier]

Ha, it fits in my carrying case too

[finite yarrow]

Nice

I gotta get a carrying case after my controller covers come in

[pulsar glacier]

I don't feel like taking my controller grips off everything I'm done with them, so I leave them on and put the controllers in the carrying case pocket instead of their slots

[finite yarrow]

I wasnt planning on buying grips at all. But i borked a magnet and cant seem to buy a new battery cover

[haughty thistle]

The PC version is much easier to mod, can run more mods (Noodle Extensions for example are PC exclusive for perf reasons, and Mapping extensions doesn't run that well on Quest), plus the PC version has native custom song support, whereas with the Quest Version, you got to mod the game to get custom songs running

Plus the PC version has fancier graphics

[finite yarrow]

Does a mod exist to let you play off a playlist from Spotify? Ill be downloading it and seeing how the latency is when i get home. Wife and i are pretty annoyed with the built in downloader on modded quest

[haughty thistle]

Thing is, custom songs need to be mapped, and it's not always as easy as just take the song name and download one result. There could be multiple different maps available for one song.
Besides that, on the Quest version, such a mod would need to run outside the game, as custom songs aren't loaded during runtime, but at launch of the game...

I honestly don't know of anything that can take songs from a Spotify playlist. You'd need to go though and download the beatmaps manually

[finite yarrow]

Yea i assumed itd be pc only if it were a thing. I dont plan on modding the quest version further. I figured maybe itd link somehow, let you pick a song, then have some kind of community rating and basic description to let you pick a specific map/difficulty.

Just a regular downloader except the search bar is your playlist i guess

[empty lynx]

okay i know this is a really, really specific question but

is Fallout 4 VR harder to run than Half Life: Alyx?

like i checked the specs and on paper it looks like Alyx is harder to run but idk i don't believe it for some reason

i was just thinking it would be harder to run due to it being a big open world game rather than the enclosed level system of Alyx

[green crypt]

alyx adjust graphics during playing that fallout doesn't do

[haughty thistle]

Besides that, from what I know, Fallout 4 VR is a rather bad VR port, so maybe it's not as optimised as HLA is...

[sullen linden]

Boneworks

Yes

[harsh niche]

the only thing i can think of like that is just converting the spotify playlist to youtube links and using beatsage

[pulsar glacier]

Pavlov Shack is dropping support for Q1

I'm so sad

I just started getting back into it

[opal prairie]

I have played BeatSaber only on Steam, for the first couple of years via HTC Vive, and then later on Index. The only other experiences I have with Beat Saber were one time at an arcade, which sucked because they had these cables attached to everything that kept you from moving freely, and one time on a playstation VR, which had really terrible tracking.

I suspect that if I had not been trying to play at expert/expert plus, I might have been less frustrated with PSVR and the arcade setups.

When I bought my index, I only bought the headset and controllers because I wanted to keep using my vive wands for Beat Saber and they don't work with the 2.0 towers. The Index controller and headset works with both.

I am pretty good at Beat Saber for an old fart and I don't want to try to undo 450 hours of muscle memory with Vive wands on a new controller, lol.

I am really curious about how well the inside out tracking of the Quest 2 works compared to the light towers of Index and Vive.

As long as you don't situate yourself stupidly with respect to your towers, the light tower 1.0 tracking is pretty much flawless for beat saber.

The arcade experience was really disappointing because I thought I was going to get to shock a bunch of young people by being a grey-hair passing a bunch of songs on Expert Plus, but I ended up having to downgrade to Expert or sometimes even just Hard because I couldn't move my body or arms without the cables interfering so I couldn't enter the flow state that is required for difficult beatmaps.

My only consolation is that no one else had passed any songs on that machine on Expert plus either.

It was an HTC Vive.

[finite yarrow]

Im not good at beat saber, and only have a quest 1, but i havent had any major issues with the tracking. Just make sure you have a big enough playspace. Tracking issues start a bit before the guardian boundaries kick in, so you may wanna give yourself more room then you think you need

Not really what you were looking for but im sure the quest 2 isnt that far off of mine

[haughty thistle]

Due to the latency compensation, the controller movement in PCVR mode isn't really that accurate. The controllers feel like they're moving through jelly and aren't as responsive. For me personally, PCVR Beat Saber is borderline unplayable at faster speeds on the Quest...

[opal prairie]

This was also an issue with PlayStation VR at high speeds.
How's the tracking in the Quest 2 at high speeds when not in PCVR mode?

[haughty thistle]

I only have a Quest 1, so I can't speak for the Quest 2, but the tracking is decent. It's not on the level of the Rift CV1 or Lighthouse tracking, but decent enough. Only problem is that the Quest Version of Beat Saber kinda sucks for modding, so I haven't really tried it with more difficult songs...

[opal prairie]

When you get to a certain level on Beat Saber, the slightest tracking issue will make you crash and burn.

Remember when Steam had to update its tracking software because Beat Saber players were moving so fast? They'd put in a glitch correction that told tracking to ignore it when a controller moved from A to B faster than humanly possible, but high level Beat Saber players caused them to have to rethink what was humanly possible. The game can be a real torture test for tracking.

I asked the internet what the competition BS players were using and found this: https://vrheaven.io/best-vr-headset-beat-saber/

This chart is included.

I wish it included the Vive and Vive Pro.

Of great interest here is the assertion that the Quest 1 has better tracking than the Quest 2.

[haughty thistle]

Vive & Vive Pro 1 use the exact same Tracking system as the Index, so no need to list them seperatly

And honestly, I would've expected the Quest 2 to perform a bit better in standalone, as it apparently has higher res cameras then the Quest 1. In fact, for pure accuracy if you give it time to catch itself, the Q2 was found to be more accurate, but I guess it's not as accurate when in motion...

A german group of researchers published a paper not too long ago about the raw tracking accuracy for controller movement (with the headset in a static position!), and well, these were their results:
Position 1 is a point close to the headset, and Position 2 is a point roughly an arms length away. These graphs only list the maximum deviation from the target position btw

And here's the average deviation

Here's the whole paper, if you feel fancy to translate: https://www.vdc-fellbach.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Applikationszentrum_VAR_-_Bericht__04_2_-_AP2_-_Werkstattbericht__02_-_Messung_VR-Tracking-Praezision_-_Update.pdf
Keep in mind though, that they did not test the tracking accuracy in motion, so the data is not very useful for Beat Saber...

[opal prairie]

LTT needs to do a video on this!

[gloomy crater]

So my mom is trying to cast her quest 1 to her phone so that her friend can watch her play beat saber, but when she tries to cast to her phone, the 'start' button that the official Facebook article on casting to the phone says should be there doesn't show up

[pulsar glacier]

This?

[gloomy crater]

Apparently it's supposed to be blue but yeah I think

Oh, I just got another message. Apparently she needed to manually install a system update to the headset and power cycle it

[pulsar glacier]

It needs to connect to the phone and then it'll be blue afaik

But yeah that's should work ig

[haughty thistle]

I never got casting on my Quest to work, no matter where and with what setup...

[pulsar glacier]

It was really weird yesterday? The wifi went out so I thought that was the issue but it kept not working after it went back online and after a full restart as well

Usually it's relatively fine though, also a tad finnicky

The worst is casting to my phone

[finite yarrow]

I cant make regular link work, but airlink works great for me

Casting works fine

[pulsar glacier]

Have you tried USB3 cords?

[finite yarrow]

Yes. Multiple

[pulsar glacier]

Weird

[pale orbit]

https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-index-nofio-transmitter-kickstarter/

[fervent summit]

Does anyone have any recommendations on how to fix a broken Index controller trigger? The ribbon cable is still attached however the plastic tabs that hold the trigger in the housing snapped. I tried supergluing it back, however side pressure ended up wiggling it out again

I could try superglue again but god that was stress inducing and I couldnt quite figure out the best points to apply the glue

[formal falcon]

Is buying an oculus rift worth it?

I know they changed their name to quest or something but yeah in terms of just playing games that support it etc is the experience fun for kids?

[gloomy crater]

The company, formerly known as Oculus, was bought by Meta, formerly known as Facebook, and was merged into the Meta branding. The Rift and Quest are two different headsets with multiple models under each title.

There's the Rift CV1, which is one of the older models to come from Oculus, and while still usable and relatively cheap to acquire, there are some better alternatives for similar prices out there. Then there's the Rift S, which released only a few years ago, has inside out tracking so you don't need external sensors, is still available new in some places if you can find it, and is still a pretty good experience. All of the headsets under the Rift title are PCVR hardware, so you'd need a decent computer in order to play anything on them.

Meanwhile, the Quest line of headsets are standalone, meaning they do all their own calculations on board and don't require a PC to play, and are pretty inexpensive. One of the most popular headsets on the market right now is the Quest 2, for its low price, portability, and the fact that you don't need a PC to play with it, but it also limits you to games on the Meta store, and you require a dedicated account to play.

[haughty thistle]

Other then the low resolution, first gen lenses and lack of replacement parts, I think the CV1 is still a great headset. Probably one of the lightest consumer HMDs ever made, Tracking (with 3-4 cameras) is really good, and none of that speakers far away from the ears type of audio that everyone seems to be trying to copy (only off-ear speaker solution that works well is the Index one imo)

[opal prairie]

I contacted Steam customer support after I bashed my index controller into a wall and smashed it to bits. They had me send it back and they sent me a new one for free, and I was totally honest about how I broke it. I would try that. I had to live without my controller for a few weeks, but it cost me nothing.

Granted this was before they sold individual controllers.

The controllers are not half as durable as vive wands, but they sure are nice.

[sullen linden]

what if we used iphones with retina displays for vr on phones?

[haughty thistle]

Would be pretty low res ngl

iPhones are still somewhere between 1080p and 1440p in terms of resolution, meaning you'd be somewhere between the OG Vive/Rift CV1 and Index...

[sullen linden]

Better get a Quest, it's standalone (you won't need a good pc for it)

[wispy orchid]

"retina" doesnt mean "good", its apple lingo for "we dont think you'll see pixels at arms length or suggested viewing distance"

which when put less than a couple inches from your eyes becomes apparent fast

also its only the iphone 13 pro and pro max that have refresh rates above 60hz. the minimum suggested fps for vr is 72, ideally more. so just the phone itself would be wildly more expensive than just going out and buying a new q2

which "can" do 120hz

[pulsar glacier]

Quest 2 specifically. It's cheaper and has better hardware than the Quest 1. There's essentially no reason AFAIK to get a Q1 over a Q2. Plus there are games that aren't even supported on the Q1 but are on Q2

[flat pawn]

@haughty thistle I got an interesting email from pimax yesterday

Apparently they got the 8kx to run at 120hz

Nvidia only

[karmic pollen]

quest is cool but facebook is stupid, i miss oculus :(

[flat pawn]

Updates will go out and the headset will run 120hz max instead of 90hz

[pulsar glacier]

Yeah

[flat pawn]

I know you got rid of yours but still

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, motion already looked kinda smeary on the 8k X in it's 1440p 120Hz mode. Besides that, I was barely able to run the 8k X with a 3090 at native res in it's default 75Hz...

[flat pawn]

Well whatever they did they were "working with Nvidia engineers"

And something has improved

And they're happy to send us the update

[haughty thistle]

You can't run the damn' thing at native 120Hz, and even if you could, the paneles can't keep up. It firs right into Pimax's strategy though, of prioritising Marketing over the actual experience...

[flat pawn]

Isn't this something that would improve the experience

[haughty thistle]

That could (and probably does) just mean that they worked with Nvidia to get their DSC implementation up to snuff with the bandwidth required. Doesn't mean the actual display hardware is capable/made for that...

[haughty thistle]

Not if all you get are 30-40 fps anyways...

[flat pawn]

Let me actually just grab the email and paste it here

One sec

Subject line:

Pimax breaks through another technical barrier with the 8KX Ultra-wide FOV and 120Hz native mode here

Dear Pimax User:

We are happy to announce that Pimax has achieved a new technical breakthrough. Together with efforts from engineers at Nvidia the Pimax 8KX has reached a native mode refresh rate of 120Hz.

The new firmware is now ready for testing and we are already inviting social media, developers to join the effort. The result will be made available to the public as soon as it is certified to be fully stable.

It is well known that Pimax engineers continue to update the software and firmware of existing headsets with new features and capabilities even years after their release. This announcement is no exception and reduces frame latency by an astonishing 25% with this update. Pimax engineers have been working with Nvidia to enhance the speed and signal quality of data transferred between the GPU and the headset. This has resulted in sufficient improvements to increase the 4K per eye native mode to a buttery smooth 120Hz refresh rate.

At high refresh rates, perceptions of images are more stable and incur less user fatigue. Reducing undulation and blurring of the image, not only makes the experience smoother but also allows game action and movie viewing to feel much more realistic and immersive.

For more info pls check PC gamer's latest Article：https://www.pcgamer.com/pimaxs-8k-vr-headsets-just-got-a-120hz-upgrade/#comment-jump

Check out Pimax's Summer Sales at: https://pimax.com/

Your Pimax Team

[pulsar glacier]

High hopes

[flat pawn]

The 5k is still easier to drive

But I guess this helps the future of the headset

[harsh niche]

the 120hz on supported games looks nice but the guardian i've found is buggy when you have it enabled, like whenever i get close to it with my controller the controllers start lagging for some reason. I turned it off back to 90 with sidequest, and upped the texture resolution a little bit and increased the CPU and GPU levels and it works soooo goood

[flat pawn]

For when the rtx6969 is released and can 8k 120hz all day without breaking a sweat

[harsh niche]

i compared superhot default quest 2 res vs it set to 2048 and it's night and day it looks so much sharper

[haughty thistle]

Yup. All they're saying is that they worked with Nvidia to get DSC up to snuff (after all, it's the GPU that needs to send those frames over the wire, not the headset). Again, the displays in the 8k X don't respond fast enough for 120Hz. I've seen it with my own eyes. And at native it's already almost impossible to run at 75Hz on a 3090. This is just more marketing numbers really

[flat pawn]

Interesting

[wispy orchid]

honestly the guardian on quest is just buggy in general, a common issue ive seen pop up is people needing to clear their guardian history

[flat pawn]

Yeah, it did seem weird that somehow the screens capped at a certain framerate can suddenly run way faster

With no new GPU hardware being released

[wispy orchid]

well the hardware might be able to keep up but the software may need tweaking to get it to its optimal performance

[flat pawn]

The panels were simply unable to keep up, apparently

[haughty thistle]

The panels they're using in the 8k X are probably some off-the-shelf smartphone LCDs, which generally don't need to run at higher then 60Hz. Yes, nowadays flagship phones come with 120Hz screens, but back when the 8k X came out, the highest refreshrate phone had a 90Hz screen...

[flat pawn]

Which sounds like a hardware limitation?

[wispy orchid]

also theres new gpu hardware being released soon, so if they worked with nvidia that could make sense

[flat pawn]

To get the 8KX ready for a new generation without changing much about it?

[haughty thistle]

So my guess is that they're using 90Hz screens, and overclocking them, not caring for the too low response times...

[flat pawn]

It's a software update though

There

Overclocking

[haughty thistle]

It could already do 120Hz, just not at native res before. And that's how I know that the panels just aren't up to snuff for 120Hz

[flat pawn]

I'm still in the 12k hope 'n' pray waiting room

I'm either brave or stupid for being here with an AMD card

Lol

[haughty thistle]

You already know my stance in regards to Pimax...
Problem with AMD is just that they can't seem to get their DSC stuff up to snuff. The reason those high res HMDs all don't support AMD is because their implementation of DSC can't push those resolution/refreshrates...

And because DSC is mostly implemented in hardware, it's difficult to just push a software update. That does leave me wondering how Pimax want's to do that. Maybe by not having utilized Nvidia's full DSC potential? or maybe by using the Nvenc Encoder to compress the signal even further? dunno

[flat pawn]

You're making me think that (assuming all 12k promises are realized) I won't see much of a difference going from 5k super to 12k

Higher res but framerate unable to hit advertised rates

Unless I go back to Nvidia

Unless I lower the 12k resolution back to something closer to what I had with 5k super

Leaving me with fov buff and the inside out/standalone stuff

Oh, and the distortion buff

Again, assuming all promises fulfilled

[haughty thistle]

For those kind of resolutions you need Foveated rendering, but neither SteamVR nor OpenXR have a native implementaion for it, meaning most games don't support that natively. Yeah, there's OpenXR Toolkit that can add Foveated Rendering for Varjo Headsets, but as most games aren't OpenXR that doesn't really help. And before you mention Pimax's Fixed Foveated Rendering: that never worked for me. Only time it did something, it absolutely garbled the graphics, making the game unplayable till turned off...

[flat pawn]

I'm definitely still hooking this thing up to my PC

I'll just have to see

Trying to keep my expectations real

I'm taking my sunk cost with me to 12k, but if it doesn't pan out it could turn into an Nvidia card, a different brand headset, or both

[haughty thistle]

Again, 30-40fps was about the best I got in native mode on the 8kX on my 3090. As the render resolution grows significantly faster then the display resolution (about 1.4x as high), I'd expect the 12k to be basically unplayable at native res on even the 3090Ti...

[flat pawn]

I never actually tried the fixed foveated rendering stuff

For pimax

And I've felt fine without it

But there's still not a day that goes by where I wonder if my standards are just much lower than most

Or if index is well worth the fov drop because everything else is clearer

Since I've only known my current level of clarity

[haughty thistle]

Fun fact: in German we have a term for things like the Pimax 12k: "eierlegende Wollmilchsau"
It roughly translates to "Egg laying wool & milk giving pig". It refers to things that try to do everything and is associated with bad products, as things that try to do everything, aren't really good at anything.
I'm not saying it's gonna be bad, but I don't have high hopes for it...

[flat pawn]

I want it to knock the socks off of everything but I don't think it will

I think it'll be an improvement over what currently exists

With many portions of the promises being released never or much later

[haughty thistle]

Personally I found the 5k Super to be roughly on the clarity level of the Rift S, which is a noticable step down from the Index...

[flat pawn]

Or worse than promised

[flat pawn]

Exactly my experience lol

I went from rift s to 5k super

Same clarity, just much more of it

So since I'm not spoiled by the superior clarity of the index I'm able to enjoy pimax more? Lol

[haughty thistle]

Anyways, was a nice talk, but I gotta go now ^^"

[flat pawn]

Take care cb

[green crypt]

i want to see more linux capable hmd's with better specs then the index

[flat pawn]

We need more in general

Let alone Linux capable ones

But I agree

[green crypt]

linux vr keeps getting better but only 3 hmd officially support linux...

[flat pawn]

Which 3

[green crypt]

vive vive pro and index

[flat pawn]

I might've guessed

[green crypt]

oculus on linux is posible tho but no official support

[flat pawn]

I'm happy that VR is as good as it is, even if content is slow

It just feels like a technology that will always exist and improve

Safe

[green crypt]

linux steam vr misses important features still but it's getting better slowly

[flat pawn]

Eventually it will catch on more and more

But I think the risk of VR disappearing or being rare is gone

[green crypt]

i just want an better index that has a wireless kit

[flat pawn]

Cross fingies for index2

[green crypt]

but might be easier to get a quest for a wireless hmd don't really see more high end hmd's comming out

at least for consumers

[flat pawn]

Vive pro/2

But that's probably not the big upgrade you want

And probably not the price you want either

[green crypt]

i just want better controlers bit more res and wireless

[flat pawn]

The index controllers are really good, just flimsy

Normal use certain features stop working over time

A matter of months

[green crypt]

well it's as cables are too short and other stuff a revission could have fixed like metal vs plastic thumbsticks

like 10 cent more per controller for the metal thumb sticks

[gloomy crater]

Weird. My controllers are (allegedly) launch week models. I've had them since October of 2020 and the person who owned them before me had them since the headset first came out. None of the features have stopped working yet. The plastic coating on the thumb touch pads are chipping off, but there's been no tracking issues, stick drift, or physical damage so far

The one time I accidentally punched my ceiling while wearing my controllers, the ceiling just had a black scuff mark, and my fingers were more messed up than the controller

[ripe nexus]

hey guys so i have a question. to use third-party software on my quest 2, i use sidequest, but to upload games or software, i need to have the game/software in an .APK file format. is there a way to convert file folders into an apk or is it more complicated?

[haughty thistle]

It's... More complicated. Think of an APK as the Android equivalent of an Exe file on windows. It's an executable and needs to be compiled as such...

[formal falcon]

How would you guys describe looking through the VR? Is the experience mind blowing? Almost like real life quality? Give me some background on how VR has changed your way to see things.

[harsh niche]

It can be pretty immersive but it’s not at that point yet that you forget you’re in vr

imo anyways

I had the weirdest experience after playing fnaf vr for the first time

as I was going to sleep it’s like I was half awake and half dreaming and all I could see were the cameras from the game it was so weird

like a fever dream without a fever… idk how to describe it

[finite yarrow]

Not quite real life quality. But you can definitely loose yourself in the world. Theres this weird disconnect that you have to get used to between your brain and senses. I almost fell on my ass the first time i played Skyrim because i bumped by control stick and wasnt expecting to be moving

Hasnt really "changed the way i see things" but its its own experience for now.

Thrillseeker did a good video on the top end of consumer vr that you may find entertaining

[haughty thistle]

Same here. Never really had any experiences where it felt like real life, but with the right game and hardware you can get to a point where you do feel like you're looking at a different world by means of some heavy ski-goggles...

Most games unfortunately do kinda remind me of GameCube graphics, but it's understandable, as they need to run at playable frame rates xD

[wispy orchid]

especially on the quest ^

and even pc versions will depend on what hardware you have

[wispy orchid]

It will be disorienting and probably sickening to play more than 20-30 minutes at first for the first couple days to weeks, ESPECIALLY if you start with games that have movement controls (skyrim, no mans sky, phasmophobia). Just make sure that depending on what headset you may get that the lenses are spaced appropriately, the straps are tight enough, and the headset is positioned correctly. If using a quest 2 to play pc games, id suggest using Virtual Desktop and optimizing your network setup (pc on ethernet, line of sight of router from headset), and making sure your settings/hardware allow for at least 72fps (though if using VD, you can enable 120hz and turn on SSW and your gpu only needs to hit 60fps).
If you dont want to play pc games on quest then theres still some fun games on it that work fairly well, such as beatsaber, the walking dead, superhot, or pistol whip.

tl:dr It takes a little bit to get used to, but its phenomenal amounts of fun and completely unlike typical forms of gaming. Though if youre... inexperienced with moving around wildly for potentially hours.... you may be a bit more out of breath than initially expected. also as others have said, despite being able to notice its problems, its stuff you can easily get used to. like how your nose is very visible but your brain ignores it.

p.s. vrchat loves to run at low fps on the best of rigs, and if youve not developed an iron stomach for low fps in vr then i wouldnt suggest going into any areas with many people or super complex worlds. remember, pc can get away with 24-30 for usable playing, vr wants 60 at the bare minimum, 72 as a more typical standard minimum, to avoid sickness.

[sour quartz]

Once your used to it its just like playing any other games, but so much more cool and relaxing

Sometimes ill take my headset off and be like, riiight, forgot the real world existed

So much more egonomic too, not staring at the some small stationary screen

[mossy patrol]

the first time i got my quest 2 and used it for like 30 mins exploring my new virtual house and setup and the tutorials, after i took the headset off it was disorienting, i still thought my hands were controllers, slowly i got through it and the very first time i experienced vr, in one of those parks with vr headsets (it was a vive), it was crazy, i wanted to get a headset for myself but bare in mind i still didnt have any sort of computer and i didnt have cash for a vive or a rift so i used google cardboard, it was mindblowing, even with the 3dof, it was like, discovering a new world that had always been there and you just unlocked it, if i saw a vr headset in a mall, you bet i would use it, and the experience is kinda like, unlocking the nether the first time you play in minecraft, it feels weird, and magical

[opal prairie]

There's a new kickstarter that claims to be creating a wireless adapter for the index that uses wifi 6e. I'm skeptical and hopeful at the same time.

.

@formal falcon When the ports for Skyrim and Fallout 4 came out I was blown away by some of the views, and the fact that they were ports wasn't that bothersome, but now that I've played HalfLife Alyx I almost can't play Skyrim and Fallout in VR. Alyx amps up the immersion by making all the controls really intuitive and by making it so that interacting with the world is as simple as picking things up and looking at them. Now when I play skyrim or fallout in VR, the fact that I can't interact with the objects like that takes me out of my immersion.

No Man's Sky VR is really beautiful... you really don't understand the scale of the worlds that you are in... but my tenth gen core i9 with a 3080 isn't enough for a smooth experience.

The cockpit games are incredibly immersive once you get the hang of the controls. Velcro your HOTAS to a lap desk and lean back in your chair, use a neck pillow to keep the back of the headset from kicking your head into a weird angle, put your feet on a pair of pedals, and the only thing that will remind you you aren't in a spaceship is your cat jumping on you in the middle of a dogfight.

You can do little things to increase your immersion. For example when playing Skyrim, a fan blowing on you makes you feel like you really are out in a snowy landscape. Situating yourself near a heater so that the fireplace in your Steam home is right where the heat is coming from can make the fire seem too real... but in general I don't recommend any space heaters or anything that you can't afford to knock over in your VR space.

One of the things that you get with experience is the ability to be aware of both sets of surroundings at the same time. When you are in VR, unless you have a cavernous playspace, you do have to keep an awareness of your actual physical surroundings. Simultaneously navigating two realities at once is a learned skill. When I first got VR, I banged into things constantly. Now I almost never do. I have a sort of intuition about where my real world surroundings are based on little cues like the sound of my computer fans. Not having to consciously think about walls and desks anymore has increased my immersion.

[haughty thistle]

I'm curious about Wifi 6E, as it's the first Wifi standard to use 6GHz. I doubt image quality with that thing will be on-par with wired or even the Vive Wireless Adapter, but I'd expect latency to be lower then whatever the Quest is doing via Wifi (6GHz has lower latency & higher bandwidth then 5GHz, but is significantly worse in both aspects then 60GHz)

[green crypt]

yeah not exited about that as i wont run the index at a lower quality nice idea but the bandwith isn't there on 6e like it's better then a quest wireless but how that product will do 6e is well yeah idk transmitter in your pc or force you to get a 6e ap

[haughty thistle]

Maybe they'll have their own 6E base station that plugs into power, USB and DP...

[opal prairie]

I bet you'll have to run the headset at lower refresh rates if it does work.

[haughty thistle]

And besides that, they only say it works in a playspace of up to 5x5m, which is smaller then the 60GHz equipped Vive Wireless Adapter (it claims a maximum playspace of 6x6m)

[opal prairie]

There's a reason valve hasn't released a wireless adapter yet. It's just too much data for wireless. I'll be happy to be wrong, but I'm going to take a wait and see approach.

[green crypt]

not really 802.11ay has more then enough date on the 60ghz band

but the standard was delayed by3 years so yeah came out last year vs 2019 when it was supposed to

also that 5x5 meter claim i call bs way further range but they are saying it max that

[haughty thistle]

Either that, or whatever base unit they intend to ship is pretty weaksauce...

[green crypt]

yeah will depend on the price tho quite skeptical about it releasing

[haughty thistle]

The only other third-party wireless adapter that ever made it to market was the TP-Cast, and that quite literally had a giant network supplier behind it (TP-Link, you may have heard of them before)
The TP-Cast was a bigger hassle to set up then the Vive Wireless adapter (requiring a TP-Link router with special firmware for the USB transmission) and it also wasn't as good. It left you with a smaller FOV to save up on bandwidth...

The only reason IMO to get the TP-Cast (back when it was available) was to get the Rift CV1 version, as it was the only way to make the Rift Wireless

[green crypt]

also only rating it for 2+ hours is nothing how small of a batery does it have

yeah the tp-cast for rift had a use the vive version was a flop

[haughty thistle]

The TP-Cast had twice the battery capacity then what shipped with the Vive WA, and still had similar battery life (aka was twice as power hungry). No idea about this new one for the Index...

[green crypt]

also what happened to the company making the index wireless via light signals was big news months ago

[haughty thistle]

Around 2h is pretty standard for VR. Personally, I'd have 0 issues with that, as after around 2 hours, I tend to switch games, or in general turn off the headset for the day...

[green crypt]

want at least 4 hours for wireless tbh

or a way to have 2 batteries and swap them withouth powering off

[haughty thistle]

Problem with that is, you need to place a big mirror in your room, plus 3 transceivers to not get cutouts. Mirrors and lighthouses don't mix very well, so I bet they either faked their video demo, or they had to place that mirror very carefully to not mess up tracking. Besides that, shipping a 3x3m mirror isn't really practical for a "Wireless" solution

They even said at their CES booth, that as long as they require the mirror, that it won't be practical to ship it out...

[haughty thistle]

Turning off while swapping batteries would probably still be fine, as long as SteamVR doesn't crash while you swap batteries (looking at you Vive WA >.>)

Really, taking off the headset for a minute is probably a good thing if you're having such a long session

[green crypt]

audio crashes when unplugging hmd sometimes

[haughty thistle]

If the software handles all of that, what prevents it from just sinking any data into a black hole while the headset is not connected, pretending to be the headset. It could keep both audio and SteamVR running while you swap your battery...

[green crypt]

yeah that would be usefull and needed i would say as a lot of people want wireless for dancing at raves but not leave the event becouse battery dying

ofc dancing 4+ hours is crazy but not needing to swap hmd is usefull

[haughty thistle]

Not needing to rejoin a VRChat lobby/fire up all the software again
FTFY

Because on the Vive WA, if the battery dies, you can just plug in another battery and get right going again, if it wasn't for SteamVR crashing when the headset disconnects. You can get about 4 hours on that though already, just by using a 20Ah battery instead of the included 10Ah. Just make sure that it can supply the required 12V at 18W/21W (OG Vive and Vive Pro require less power then the Cosmos and Pro 2)

[ashen gulch]

Hiya, I was just wondering if anybody here had any issues with using a quest 1 with oculus link and a pciE usb-c card at all? Thanks!

[gloomy crater]

Yeah, I'd also say 4 hours is a better time period for a wireless adapter, that's certainly nowhere close to the longest I've ever spent in VR but 2 hours is still shorter than my standard play session, which are normally around ~3 hours

[gloomy crater]

When I found out that the USBC port on my motherboard wouldn't work, I ended up buying a USBC equipped PCIe expansion card and never had any issues with it. I was using a Quest 1 and a 3m USBC to USBC cable.

[pulsar glacier]

i havent been able to use the USB-C port on my motherboard

[gloomy crater]

Yeah when it comes to link, dedicated expansion cards with their own controllers are a pretty safe bet

[harsh niche]

my gigabyte z390 aurous pro has a usb c port on it and it works

i just use the usb c port on my 2070 though because i find it is a little faster and gives me more charge

[vast latch]

starter budget vr headset for games like vrchat, or assetto corsa with my wheel

what should i get

[finite yarrow]

Depends on your definition of budget

[gloomy crater]

I'd say for starters who aren't 100% of their willingness to commit to VR, the quest 2 has its own problems but is the easiest to resell if you decide you don't like it. Used full HTC Vive kits can occasionally be found for a similar price to the quest 2 and will provide a better experience imo. To a lesser extent, the same applies to the Rift S but it has its own trade offs, like having worse inside out tracking compared to the base station tracked vive, but it also has wider availability. Then if you're starting out but a bit more dedicated to your decision to get into VR, the HP Reverb G2V2 is available for $600 brand new and is one of the better out of the box experiences available short of an Index, whose price isn't very starter friendly but pretty much everything else about it is.

[gaunt flower]

Hey guys! Need a little help. In the specifications it mentions sound about “reduced screen door effect”. I’m getting this effect and I can’t get it to go away 😫 Iv just got this headset yesterday and Iv been having some issues like the lenses adjustment isn’t like what the CV1 has 🙁 and stuff

[high fox]

hii

[gaunt flower]

But yeah does anyone know how to tune in the headset and stuff ?

Iv found some settings that “adjust” the lenses but I can’t notice any differences at all!

[rapid otter]

Gonna try to RMA my quest 2 wish me luck

🤞

[haughty thistle]

SDE is a thing on all headsets that are below 30ppd. Hate to break the news, but if you don't want screen door effect, go with a Varjo...

The higher res you go, the lower the SDE. 30ppd is generally the point where it becomes invisible to the eyes (60ppd is generally considered "human eye resolution")

[gaunt flower]

Hmm so is there anyway on adjusting the lenses tho ?

[rapid otter]

They took my quest 2 64 gb and upgraded it to 128 even tho it was just joystick issues

[gaunt flower]

That’s a gg right there

[haughty thistle]

Other then adjustable their distance to match your IPD replacing the foam pads with different sized ones to get closer to/farther away from the lenses, unfortunately not

[gaunt flower]

Ah okie I’ll take another proper look after work

[haughty thistle]

The software is fine tuned to work with the lenses at a particular distance from the screens, and messing with that will break the headset essentially

[gaunt flower]

Yeah okie

[opal prairie]

When they say it is reduced they are essentially telling you it is there. I stopped noticing it in my index after a short time and it has a ppd around 16. I never stopped noticing it in my vive with a ppd of around 11. Like chickenbread said, you'll need a 2000 dollar headset (for just the headset) to get around it completely.

[gaunt flower]

But I would say in my headset it’s pretty bad ? Unless I’m just being very picky 🤣 is there any settings or anything to adjust it at all ?

[haughty thistle]

Nope it's a physical property of the display. There is no software that can make it less visible. Only hardware changes

I suppose if you had a Vive Pro 1 or Pro Eye, that you could take the screens from the Samsung Odyssey+ and put those in. They use the exact same panel, just the mounting frame is different and the screens in the Samsung have some coating on them, which basically acts like a slight blur filter. Never tried the O+, but SDE is supposedly less visible on it compared to the older Samsung Odyssey (non-plus) at the expense of image sharpness...

This is however as far as you can go in this direction. There are lens swaps for the original Vive and Vive Pro, which reduce god rays, but they probably also make the SDE more visible, with how lens distortions differ between the official lenses and the Gear VR lenses that people put in...

[opal prairie]

Also consider the increased demand on your computer of all those extra pixels. Even if you got a varjo, you might end up trading the sde for jumpy performance in demanding games.

[haughty thistle]

Jumpy performance or a blurry image. Turning down the render res works, but it makes everything noticably blurrier...
Ask me how I know...

[opal prairie]

You've tried a Varjo?

You HAVE a Varjo?!?

[haughty thistle]

Perhaps

(in case the picture isn't obvious enough, I use a Varjo Aero as my daily driver headset)

[opal prairie]

What are your computer specs? @haughty thistle

(also, wow, very nice!)

I've got a 3080/i9-10900F and I'm wondering, if I saved up for a varjo, would that handle it, or would I need an sli bridge and a second gpu.

[rapid otter]

It's interesting to see some differences from the oculus quest 2 to the meta quest 2

The packaging is slightly changed, they include a rubber cover for the facial interface and there's a meta logo on the headset

The controllers feel better but it's certainly because my quest 2 was pretty used

[rapid otter]

I just set up.my quest and it's lagging like hell

Freezes, stutters, unresponsive

Even after a reboot

[pulsar glacier]

Funky, is it a resold one?

[rapid otter]

Brand New

Unboxed like 15 minutes ago

[pulsar glacier]

Hmm, idk, maybe it's still doing updates in the background

I would give it a bit and check back in, that's all I can say

[rapid otter]

That's what I'm gonna do

I know it shouldn't be like that, i owned one already

Also those latex/plastic facial interface are so bad

They stretch your face

[pulsar glacier]

I got a third party one for my Q1, it's alright. As long as I'm not sweating all over the original fabric thing

[rapid otter]

The original one in foam is much much better

[digital bolt]

you are golden

3080 doesnt do sli anyways

[vocal adder]

thinking about getting a quest 2, got a rift s atm but dealing with all the cables is a massive hassle, is the perf tradeoff worth it for untethering?

[haughty thistle]

Ryzen 9 5900X, RTX 3090, 32GB DDR4 @3200MHz
Not all games run at playable framerates at native res, so turning it down is required. Thankfully the 30PPD setting doesn't look too blurry, and the lack of SDE and glare (remember, aspheric lenses) is totally worth it 🙂

[opal prairie]

I have a vive with wireless and an index that is wired hanging up right next to each other, and I almost universally go for the wired index for the higher quality. There are a couple of games that really call for wireless, but if you play in socks on a soft surface, keeping up with the wire is a lot easier. Plus dealing with battery life is part of that trade off too.

[vocal adder]

that's good to know, might look into stands and cable tidys instead

[opal prairie]

One of the best things I did for my playspace was judo mats with a ten by ten shag rug over them. The room was already carpeted, but the house is on a concrete slab and stepping on a cord in bare feet was pretty unpleasant. With the flooring like it is now, I think about the cord maybe 60-70 percent less than I used to. I have the guidewires on the ceiling, but I don't really bother with them anymore.

The judo mats go wall to wall, then the rug sits over them, and it's got deep enough shag that it can bury the cord if you step on it. I'm probably extending my cord life by a long time.

The only place you can step off the edge of the mat is in the doorway...it's wall to wall in the rest of the room.

[pulsar glacier]

Thats sick

[opal prairie]

It's pretty nice if you take a hard knee trying to dodge something too.

[pulsar glacier]

My room doesn't have the most space, I can turn around freely but moving is problematic. I'm also on cold af hardwood flooring

The only other large enough space is the living room, in front of the TV which isn't always available

Or the garage if we clean it out, but I imagine the internet wouldnt be ideal, which is mostly what i need large spaces for

Gorilla tag, Pavlov Shack (RIP Q1 support..)

Echo VR ig but I haven't played that in a while

Oh and Rec Room and VRC

[opal prairie]

I have a medium play space. Small enough to want more, but big enough that I'm not sufffering.

I did bust one of my index controllers to pieces into a wall once. Now when I play punching games I use my more durable vive wands. Valve was amazing about it. I tried to just buy one controller from them, but at the time they only sold the pairs, so I had to send it in for repair and they sent me a new one for free even though I was 100 percent honest that I'd bashed it into a wall.

[pulsar glacier]

I broke the tracking ring on one of my controllers, but it still works just fine, I just tape it together so it doesn't catch on anything

[pulsar glacier]

I've only rlly heard good things about their support, which I love to hear

[opal prairie]

There was no salvaging my poor index controller. It busted into pieces, exposed and damaged the boards inside, and sliced open my hand.

I didn't sort of hit the wall. I HIT the wall like I was trying to punch it in the face, which I guess technically I was, ha!

[pulsar glacier]

😬

I've only played the demo for Creed

[opal prairie]

My house was built in the 50s and drywall was a different animal back then. My 'drywall' has a layer of concrete and chickenwire behind it along with a layer of some sort of concrete-like stuff in front. You can't punch through it. But you can definitely obliterate a knuckle controller on it.

[pulsar glacier]

Wow is that a headache for internet? I can imagine having concrete everywhere has some interference

[opal prairie]

Indeed. I have a main router with two wired ai mesh satellites.

[pulsar glacier]

Ah

[opal prairie]

The vive wands are insanely durable.

I've kept 1.0 lighthouses just so I can keep using them for some games.

I'm also extremely accustomed to reverse gripping them for Beat Saber.

I keep telling myself I need to bite the bullet and get good at using the index controllers for beat saber because one day I'm going to upgrade to 2.0 tracking and I'm not going to want to buy vive pro wands, but I just keep putting more and more hours of muscle memory into Beat Saber with Vive wands.

[crystal sluice]

i dont feel like you need to learn multiple controllers

the grip may be a little different but i wouldnt expect it to take more than 10 min to reassign muscle memory

[opal prairie]

It's not really the grip. The sabers come off your hands at a completely different angle with the index controllers, and even if you adjust the angles, it still doesn't leave your hand from the same point, it doesn't have the weight and momentum that vive wands do. I got it all worked out so the angle was similar but one of the updates erased everything and I never got around to starting over.

I will one day.

Just not now, lol.

It's not an issue unless I'm playing expert/expert plus.

[pulsar glacier]

I exclusively play Expert/+

My arms don't appreciate it but I couldn't give two craps

[cobalt dragon]

How's it going guys! thinking of buying a vr kit to use for my pc, valve index is out of the question since it's not available for my country 😢 any recommendations here? or should I wait if something new might show up?

currently eyeing the oculus quest 2, heard it's good overall, correct me if I'm wrong though, would appreciate feedback! 😄

[rapid otter]

Why would you do it anyways ?

[rapid otter]

Are you bottlenecked by your cpu sometimes?

[haughty thistle]

In VRChat, for sure

[rapid otter]

It's still lagging a lot in menus

Haven't tested in games tho

Gonna wait for them to download

[green crypt]

the 5800x3d is interesting in vrc vs a 5800x tho i need a better gpu to see how much better it's better then a 5800x with a 2080 a 5800x3d with a 1070ti in vrc

to gpu is keeping cpu back for my system as was a friend on same settings with the 2080

[harsh niche]

do you have 120hz mode enabled? that causes problems for me

like the controllers and menu lagging and stuff

[pulsar glacier]

Uugghhh I keep losing Light It Up E+ on the last 25s because my arms get tired

[rancid kestrel]

Has anyone tried those D.I.Y. V.R. gloves with a wireless Vive adapter?

[crystal sluice]

u realize those gloves are already wireless

they run on bluetooth

[rancid kestrel]

There's a USB port that has power with that, why add more wireless signals?

[crystal sluice]

you add a battery to it for wireless

also

[crystal sluice]

because wireless pcvr is like 120hz

once you try

its hard to go back

[rancid kestrel]

You already have a battery too.

It would simplify things a bit.

[crystal sluice]

the servos need their own power supply

you have to power a big screen attached to your head

a bunch of potentiometers and an esp 32

and servos

a second set of pots and esps
a second set of servos

[rancid kestrel]

The MCUs and pots shouldn't take much, there's no reason you need to use a bunch of batteries when one could do.

[rancid kestrel]

There are lithium batteries that can crank cars. Current isn't a huge problem.

[rancid kestrel]

I feel like most of you that use VR have better GPUs than I do.

At least I can play Beat Saber!

[pulsar glacier]

I have an RX 5700XT

[rancid kestrel]

That appears to be a good bit better.

[gloomy crater]

I have used, from worst to best: a 4gb RX550, a 4gb RX570, an 8gb RX480, a GTX 1080, an RX5700XT, an RTX 3070, and an RX6900XT to play VR. None of these cards ever gave an experience that I could honestly say were 'unplayable' but some were certainly better than others

[rancid kestrel]

I have a pair of GTX 960s.

[digital bolt]

im runnin a 970

[rancid kestrel]

Which is better.

[digital bolt]

yeah but not far off

[rancid kestrel]

The 960 isn't even on the supported list for most things.

[gloomy crater]

I've always found it interesting how VR hardware and computer hardware requirements work inversely to the manner you'd expect them to

A reasonable person would think that lower end VR headsets would be made with maximum compatibility and optimization with and for low end PC hardware in mind as a top priority, and that higher end VR headsets will only function with likewise higher end PC components, but it's actually the opposite way around. The quest and quest 2 function worse with lower end components due to the onboard compression that's required, and more expensive headsets like the Reverb and Index will run better with lower end components than a quest or quest 2 would run with that same hardware setup due to the lack of the aforementioned bandwidth issues.

[rancid kestrel]

The quests are just kinda bad from what I know.

[gloomy crater]

The reason I upgraded my GPU for the first time ever was because all PCVR games were unplayable on my quest. When I upgraded to my index, I ended up testing my old GPU with the new headset to see how it performed, and to my surprise, the 4gb 570 performed way better with my index than it ever did with my quest. Just something I've always found interesting. That isn't to say it was a good experience, just that it was playable on the index when it never was on the quest

[rancid kestrel]

Resolution shouldn't be made super low either, SteamVR automatically shrinks the viewport pixel count if you need more FPS.

[crystal sluice]

quest does compression

also, q2 is higher res

sorry for ghost ping gudenau

[gaunt flower]

What GPU do you have ?

[pulsar glacier]

(From a later message) A pair of GTX 960s

[gaunt flower]

Ahhh

I have a RTX 2070 super

[pulsar glacier]

Nice

[pulsar glacier]

How good is that for VR (if you use PCVR)?

[gaunt flower]

Last time I had vr was on a RX570 8gb, but now it seems decent, I don’t really know 🤣 from my experience it seems good so far

[pulsar glacier]

Ah

I would think a 2070 super would be able to run pcvr decently well

[narrow adder]

3060 runs pcvr well

So a 2070 super would run it well

[crystal sluice]

you are only 150 away from whisper's gpu
and yours' is cheaper

i think we can see the real winner 😏

[narrow adder]

I win i have a 3060

And I got from my brother during the mining height only if I mined

[pulsar glacier]

I actually have ~3x more gpu (from 1920), I have a 5700

Jokes on you

[crystal sluice]

woah mate

they got a 7620

[pulsar glacier]

That's alotta number

I bet it's an outstanding gpu

[crystal sluice]

i was saying you

you have a 7620

next gen, vr raytracing dynamic fluid simulation with machine learning

[pulsar glacier]

Oh, no I have a RX5700XT (which is ~3x more than 1920(which is 960x2))

[crystal sluice]

math hard

[pulsar glacier]

Truly

[haughty thistle]

Just use 3 1030s in SLI, boom, now you got a 3090

[rapid otter]

I don't have it enabled

[rapid otter]

Exactly yeah, where you able to fix it ?

[tawdry dove]

Fluid simulation slaps cpu way harder

[tawdry dove]

Quad 7970s