virtual-reality

[oblique hare]

Hello guys

I'm searching for Cities VR (VR version of Cities Skyline)

I checked SteamVR but I can't seem to find it

Does anyone know where I can get this game?

[glad sand]

Upon quick search it doesn’t seem to be out on PC

Seems to be exclusive to Facebook’s latest mobile headset, which is unfortunate. Reviews seem to indicate a PC port would fix the low fidelity of the game since it’s currently only available on a smartphone-class APU

[rapid otter]

I can confirm for now it's quest exclusive

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, not just that the visuals are low fidelity. From what I've read is the gameplay also kinda lacking...
And yeah, Quest Exclusives suck

[ruby hearth]

https://youtu.be/BdNE_WhSTTg

What do you think?

[chilly ore]

If they have a WiFi 6 router just use airlink

Works just fine for me

[chilly ore]

It's built into the quest

[harsh niche]

you stream pcvr over wifi

[turbid mango]

my left quest controller is being weird and i found this, why is it wet lmao

brand new batteries so i don’t think it’s that

i’ll dig thru the trash for the old one and see if it leaked ig

yea that was it

gotta get a new controller ig

[tawdry dove]

I'm so sad

I bought the elite strap before people knew how much they broke

I thought it would never break because of how long it was lasting

[harsh niche]

mine just did too

bro these idiots at oculus are making me send the broken one back

like what

you goofballs make a garbage product that breaks and you're making me go out of my way to send a broken piece of plastic back?

cmon

[tawdry dove]

Are they gonna do anything if I contact support

[harsh niche]

probably gonna make you send it back so they can "see if you're eligible for a replacement"

[gloomy crater]

so update, that power adapter from tundra labs came in today. It took <5mins to install and it does precisely what it says on the tin. Provide power from my PSU instead of from the wall plug so that I can plug all three cables from the index into the back of my PC for easier cable management. There's not much else to say, it works fine, played a couple rounds of beat saber and nothing bad happened. I'd say $20 well spent

[narrow kernel]

Get yourself some rechargeable batteries. Less chances of leaking. IKEA rechargeables are good. They are made in Japan. The made in China ones are trash.

[rustic storm]

Hmm

How do i explain this

Essencially i live in a reigon with jacked up import prices that heivilly favours chineae goods

Do you all have a recomendation for a vr headset i should get

[tawdry dove]

I'll give you a short explanation, a longer one will probably come later

The quest 2 is the cheapest headset on the market ($300 normally) while also having the ability to work without a pc and be used for pcvr as well

It's display is good and the tracking is fine but since it has to use usb or wifi to be connected to a pc, the signal will be compressed and not look as good as a normal signal

The hp reverb g2 ($600 normally)
Has one of the highest ppi's (pixels per inch) on a modern headset and is a steal for purely pcvr

The tracking is a little worse than the quests I believe but the signal isn't compressed making it look far better than the quest ever can

I have to go sorry for just cutting off the whole explanation

[rustic storm]

ight

so i nead a very budget option

i dont care about the build quality

i dont care about the display

i just care about the tracking, and the controllers

[rustic storm]

anthing older also works

[tawdry dove]

True

Look for a quest 2 for cheap

[rustic storm]

they are kinda expencive here

d o you know anything cheaper?

also i dont need standalone

father zucc is also an issue

[harsh niche]

reverb g2 then

you can get a full kit for less than $400 on eBay

[rustic storm]

it's expencive

[rustic storm]

we don't have ebay here

also like i said import prices are insane

[harsh niche]

the you might just be out of luck if you don’t want a quest 2

[rustic storm]

hmm

know any mixed reality stuff?

[harsh niche]

did you try hardwareswap on Reddit

idk anything about mr

[rustic storm]

what's that?

ight goodbye i guess?

[harsh niche]

@haughty thistle

[rustic storm]

i haveto go

[harsh niche]

ok bye

[rustic storm]

yall write all you can here

ill check back on it tommorow

[harsh niche]

hardware swap is buying tech from people on Reddit and they ship it to you

that’s the extent of my knowledge

[rustic storm]

hmm

that seems okay

ill check later

besides i live very away

like asia reigon

[haughty thistle]

Another alternative is to go for a used original Vive or Rift CV1. Their displays are pretty dated, and usually not much cheaper then a used Quest 2, but worth giving it a shot

[rustic storm]

ill try that

[glad sand]

There are typically region-specific r/HardwareSwaps as well, I’ve almost purchased items from Japan for instance and had them shipped over lol

[rustic storm]

that's a good idea

[flat coral]

hi does anyone know if a rtx 2060 and a i5 9600kf good for vr?

[green crypt]

depends on hmd and games but yes it'll run vr well

[harsh niche]

not extremely well but good enough

[olive flume]

@flat coral I used to own a gtx 1660 ti laptop. It could run most vr games pretty well. Be it at low settings most of the time. So I would imagine that a rtx 2060 would perform well.

As for the i5-9600KF. I would avoid using that cpu. I had a desktop computer about a year and half ago that was paired with a gtx 1660ti and it really struggled to run vr games llike half life alyx and boneworks.

I would look into getting a intel cpu with higher thread of core count that also supports faster ddr4 memory.

Might be advantageous to go with ryzen instead. As they are cheaper then intel most of the time. This one seems to be good option
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-2600x/p/N82E16819113497?item=9SIAPRHEVX3213&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-pc-_-pla-cyber+electronics-_-processors+-+desktops-_-9SIAPRHEVX3213&id1=2084536928&id2=82436890968&id3=&id4=&id5=pla-1762871054072&id6=&id7=9013202&id8=&id9=g&id10=c&id11=&id12=Cj0KCQjwsdiTBhD5ARIsAIpW8CIh_I5juXnH8VXXLrkwPpKXAHhGw8-vYq-WJFeX85gyYk29LtxQF60aAm1kEALw_wcB&id13=&id14=Y&id15=&id16=375169967950&id17=&id18=&id19=&id20=&id21=pla&id22=248735892&id23=online&id24=9SIAPRHEVX3213&id25=US&id26=1762871054072&id27=Y&id28=&id29=&id30=1413270387943412557&id31=en&id32=&id33=&id34=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsdiTBhD5ARIsAIpW8CIh_I5juXnH8VXXLrkwPpKXAHhGw8-vYq-WJFeX85gyYk29LtxQF60aAm1kEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[violet tree]

Does anyone know if a link cable improves graphics quality or does it just help with latency and connecting to your PC?

[vale bear]

a link cable technically doesn't improve the graphics quality but it does help with latency and also does make things smoother and better looking

[harsh niche]

there might be more noise over wifi from interference or loss or something but i'm no expert on how wifi works

tldr the main difference is the latency and stability of the connection

stability as in it doesn't just randomly drop out or freeze

[deep bone]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wkQgBj would this PC run VR?

[tawdry dove]

Yes

[deep bone]

ok thx

[tawdry dove]

You should go 12400f instead of 5700x

[deep bone]

no i'm set on the components

it's mini itx so intel 12th gen is gonna be too hot basically to cool with air

[tawdry dove]

It's barely higher than a 5600x

[deep bone]

no i'm a 5700X

not a 5600X

[tawdry dove]

I know

The 5700x runs hotter than the 5600x

Aka barely a difference in power draw

[deep bone]

look i am happy with my components

i have spent ages trying t get the right balance i'm done thx

[digital bolt]

might have a need for 16t outside of gaming

[trail ember]

is this normal?
specs: rtx 3060 ti
ryzen 5 3600 4.2GHz
32gb ram 3200MHz
this is the best i can get and this is on steamVR home. if i play any game its either constant pink lines or 90% red lines

also render latency can go up to 20 ms

[glad sand]

That is an issue I have experienced with Windows 11 exclusively I believe

[trail ember]

im on windows 10 pro:/

[haughty thistle]

Pink lines mean issue during the rendering pipeline. One cause for those is HAGS (Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling). If you've never touched that, there's a good chance it's off, but best you just check

[formal willow]

try rebooting pc

[wispy flicker]

Meta says that my gpu (gtx 1060 3gb) isnt compatible with airlink/cable even though i can still run games stable, how is this?

[harsh niche]

a gtx 1060 is barely barely barely enough for vr especially the quest

the 3gb version….

yeah that’s below minimum specs

[wispy flicker]

it does run beat saber completely fine tho

and i can record with obs too

[hushed pond]

1060 aint gonna cut it bro

[gloomy crater]

So you can play VR games with this GPU, but it doesn't meet fb's requirments for airlink? That somehow doesn't surprise me, but it sucks nonetheless

[trail ember]

its off

[sour portal]

Many people overestimate vr requirements

I mean I have a GTX 1650ti in my laptop, a card that's not even VR ready but even that can still do Oculus Link

With that said I'm building a secondary machine with a GTX 980 and I wanna do VR with it, wish me success

[digital bolt]

Id definitely recommend trying to go a little higher than a 980… its just not great anymore for a new build esp for vr

[sour portal]

Again, it's a secondary build that's running on older stuff anyways

I'm not planning to play star wars squadrons with it or something

[gloomy crater]

my laptop has a 3060 mobile in it, but I can't even test the VR performance on it with my sister's quest 2 because the software is so busted.

I did recently come into possession of an 8gb RX480 and a ryzen 5 1600AF, so I was thinking of putting together a throwback budget VR build

[haughty thistle]

The 1060 is considered bare minimum, but so is 4GB of VRAM. That the 1060 with 3GB is considered under-specced doesn't surprise me

[junior pollen]

Is hardware there to do Full Body Tracking with my iPhone LiDAR?

iPhone 12 Pro Max

[wraith vessel]

Trying to launch assetto corsa on my quest 2 and it won't go into vr mode, I've done everything and I'm even selecting it in steam vr on the headset and it still goes into desktop mode, anyone who knows how to fix this would be helpful

[wispy flicker]

exactly

its cursed

[harsh niche]

that would be pretty cool

but latency might be an issue

[haughty thistle]

It's basically how the Kinect works, and we all know how garbage that is (even with the better hardware of the Xbox One Kinect)

@junior pollen

[junior pollen]

Oh alr I was thinking about using EPOC cam and using the ultra wide on my phone but the best option I see is the 3x Tundra Trackers w/ 2 base stations

Or slimevr but I wish it could be better with software support

[leaden ruin]

beat saber plays on a toaster unless you play it on something like a pimax then you need a beefier but if you have a pimax you have a good pc too

[harsh niche]

I thought the Kinect used 2 cameras to see the depth

LiDAR might be more accurate

[haughty thistle]

Nope. The Kinect uses an IR dot projector and an IR camera (similar to how face ID works on iPhones)

[harsh niche]

Interesting

[leaden ruin]

vr can be so cool

just ignore the steamvr tab and performance metrics

game is VTOL VR for the people that'd like to know

[austere sleet]

Can anyone tell me why my PC always chugs after 30-60 mins of playing certain VR games? I'm not great at "tuning" my computer, dunno if I missed something obvious, but hwmonitor doesn't show any odd throttling behavior as best as I can tell.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1849301289021569408/59F04DC57EF6FBD444ED7E8B732D047953BF78A7/

The only 2 things that stand out to me on that are that my 3070 FE jumps straight to 225 watts and never seems interested in backing off, and my cpu clocks keep wildly oscillating between somewhere around 3.7 to 4.7ghz

Also, Vtol VR is super great. Once I got the helicopter DLC, it's almost exclusively what I fly now.

[haughty thistle]

Is that chugging after a while something that happens with every VR game?

[candid helm]

remember to disinfect your faceplates

those things get disgusting

[austere sleet]

not EVERY game, but a lot of them that are even a little demanding. Vtol VR, onward, elite dangerous, The Forest, Alyx, "H3", No Man's Sky, Pavlov, Into the Radius are the ones that come to mind.

I feel like that graph shows that it's some setting somewhere, and the hardware is probably not an issue?

[flint ridge]

Would a 6600xt be able to do some higher quality vr games

[leaden ruin]

Yeah thinking of getting some dlc

[austere sleet]

If you are a fan of helicopter flight in general, it is the best helo flight model I have yet experienced. You cannot forget that you are piloting a giant gyro

[leaden ruin]

just bought the dlc

gonna try it out now

[tawdry dove]

Yes, it can play all vr games as long as the settings are right

@flint ridge I think I forgot to @ you

[tawdry dove]

One thing I notice is that you are never at 100% usage on anything and temps are always pretty low and your fans aren't even ramped up much

[austere sleet]

So that would indicate that it's a settings thing, right?

[tawdry dove]

Probably

[leaden ruin]

well i stopped because i was getting a bit nauseous from all the spinning since its quite hard

[gentle coral]

Oh man SID displayweek was amazing this year. I have some cool info on some microdisplay tech that I will share later. One piece of tech off in a corner was especially cool and if it scales will absolutely break the entire display industry. I'll share more details soon and how it will affect VR displays.

[austere sleet]

If you want, I'd be happy to help you out with piloting the helicopter. Once I got the hang of it (mostly) I found it to be the most fun thing to fly.

[leaden ruin]

Yeah i will look up some tutorials since one tiny mistake and i crash

[green veldt]

agreed

[rotund ember]

I’m just waiting for an index2 that would be so great!

[strong prism]

how good would a gtx 1080ti and core i5 12600k be for vr flight sims

[rapid otter]

Pretty good i think

A 1080 ti is good for VR in general

[strong prism]

epic

[rapid otter]

And the i5 12600k should be good too

What headset?

[strong prism]

well this theoretical so i dont have a headset yet and am only buying the i5 and 1080ti now, but if i am correct i can play vr games on my pc and put them on a quest 2 right?

if so i will probably buy a quest 2 as i have tried one of my friends quest 2 and it was pretty fun

[rapid otter]

You can use it with a cable or by using WiFi 6

[strong prism]

ok very cool, id probably use a cable as i assume it brings lower latency and anyway im not gonna stand in a flight sim

thanks btw (:

[rapid otter]

It does add some latency

But it's not that big

Having a wire gives better visual quality..'

[haughty thistle]

Using a wire defo reduces latency for sure!

But the Quest has an inherit loss in visual qualty and higher latency due to the video signal being compressed, so keep that in mind when choosing a headset for sim racing on flying 🙂

[rapid otter]

What i said but better 🤣

[swift herald]

Does anyone know how good Driver4VR is? I'm currently using K2VR for my XBOX 360 Kinect Full body tracking and I heard that Driver4VR is better, I just want to make sure before I make any purchases.

[prisma cradle]

hey so ive not delved into VR at all yet, but some games look fun. ive seen things about the Meta Quest 2 and was wonderin what the general consensus is.

i know there was an LTT video on it 2ish years ago. not sure if much has changed for the pros and cons

[haughty thistle]

The Quest does not have any video input, so the downside of video compression and latency when used with a PC are still valid. So is the Facebook account requirement (soon to be renamed to "Meta Account")

[timid root]

So I'm thinking about getting into vr, honestly I've not used it since the original oculus Dev kit so it's a completely different world now :O

I'm thinking a Vive pro 2, with index controllers as that's what everyone says is best.

Pc wise I have a 3080 so I'm not expecting any performance issues, or am I being optimistic?

Also I rent so can't drill holes in the walls to mount base stations, and don't have the space for tripods. Are they light enough to mount with command strips?

[gentle coral]

you can mount lighthouses to wall with command strips, I recommend using 4 of the large Velcro based command strips per lighthouse. I usually mound a small piece of pipe with a flange to a piece of wood about 5 x 5 inches then use a camera clamp with a 1/4 20 thread to mount the lighthouse. this has been good at many places I set up my headsets when traveling.

[haughty thistle]

I wouldn't recommend the Vive Pro 2, as it's lenses are a glary mess and the software makes the image about as detailed as the Index, while also blurring the image due to non-native render resolution... (there's no way of making the software render at native res btw)
Instead I'd much more recommend using an actual Index with the Index controllers, or if you feel more adventurous you can pair the Index controllers with the Reverb G2 to get a better image quality

The Vive Pro may have (imo) the best headstrap and overall comfort out of all, but the actual visual and audio experience on the Pro 2 is just so bad, it's not even worth half the retail price imo...

[timid root]

Hmm I was originally going to get the index but all the reviews online say the resolution is really bad and the newer games don't look as good as the Vive pro & pro2 🤷 that being said the index is a bit cheaper and that's always a bonus xD

Might be worth saving myself money if it's not worth paying the extra

[haughty thistle]

The Resolution on the Index is perfectly servicable. Yeah it's screens may are a bit dated, but you have to consider everything about a VR headset, and the Vive Pro only got it's physical resolution and comfort going for it. The rest is absolute dog$hit...
I did mention the Reverb G2 as an alternative to the Index, which has higher resolution screens, but lacks the lighthouse tracking (thus requiring software to sync the two different tracking systems of the HMD and Index controllers, everytime you fire up VR)

[timid root]

I'll have to look into the reverb G2 not heard much about it to be honest 🙂
Thanks for the suggestion.

I have seen everyone saying the Vive pro2 pretty much needs aftermarket foam pads otherwise it's lightbleed central :O

[gentle coral]

Reverb G2 is pretty nice as it has 2k x 2k screens per eye, and has a decent field of view, although the sweet spot is kit of hart to get right until you get used to adjusting the headset for your face. Audio is comparable to the index, as is comfort. you might not be able to run at over 150% render resolution with a base model 3080, as you usually need more then 12 GB of vram to really push the reverb g2 into its best visuals. Also the controller tracking is not the best as the camera placement is not great for many games. The controllers are also a bit of a mess as they are decently comfortable, but the buttons and triggers are a bit mushy. But for it's cost it is the best PCVR headset under 1000 dollars unless you want to try your luck with used headsets (which is fine but can sometimes have issues if you are not careful).

[haughty thistle]

And like I said, if you're willing to tinker and spend more then 1k, you can get a pair of lighthouses and Index controllers and then sync the two tracking systems using Software. It won't be as perfect as with the Index but it's imo one of the best VR Setups one can get rn...

[upper temple]

Could somebody please explain to me the difference between airlink.. and using the quest 2’s on board system for games?

I assume when air linked it uses your PCs power to run the game and display it into your Vr? Rather than the headset trying to do both causing some frame issues?

I noticed while playing Vr chat on board.. very very bad frame/sound problems. I tried swapping to air link but couldn’t interact with some friends who were using quest on board.

[haughty thistle]

When using Air Link, the Quest basically acts like a USB display. Your PC renders the game and the Quest only displays it. (although the Quest does still handle the tracking and inputs, all of that is just send to the PC to interact with the game there)

The image get's compressed by the PC into a video stream (kinda like a Twitch live stream, but at a much higher bitrate) which is then decoded and displayed by the Quest

[upper temple]

Got it. Then I would assume when using my PC as a USB, games would run better using airlink than the on board system of the quest 2? ( not to discredit its system )

Would there be any particular reason why trying to interact with other players that were using on board.. while I was using AIRLINK. The functionalities differed?

[haughty thistle]

Depends on your PC. If you only have like integrated graphics and a laptop CPU from like 2016, then games would run absolute garbage on Airlink (assuming it would work at all)

[haughty thistle]

And yes, the functionality with the PC version of VRchat and the Quest version of VRchat are quite vast. Worlds and avatars need to be specifically uploaded for the Quest platform to show up there in the first place. If you are in a PC only world, Quest users will not be able to join you, and if you're using a PC only avatar, they will see a fallback one automatically selected by VRchat

That's why worlds and avatars looks so meh on Quest and a lot better on PC

But there are downsides to use a Quest with Air Link or Quest Link: mainly image quality and latency. You see, because the image needs to be compressed by the PC, sent via USB or Wifi to the Quest and then decompressed on the Quest, there's about 50-70ms of Latency. This manifests as a sort-of jello effect when moving the controllers fast around (or black bars may come into view when moving your head too fast). Compression arifacts like blocks, dark smuges at certain color transitions (like red-green for example) and a lower then native resolution are pretty standard when using the Quest with a PC. None of these are problems when running standalone (without a PC/link). Well, maybe the resolution may be lowered in standalone around the edges of the FOV, but it's not over the full FOV like with Link...

Regarding the dark smudges, it's an unfortunate side-effect of how colors are stored in computers. There are ways around them, but they are computational intensive, so most developers don't bother to handle this issue properly (especially for low-latency video compression, this is a no-go). To go into a bit more detail, brightness values are stored in an exponential way, and when blurring two colors opposite on a color wheel, the result comes out darker then intended.
To illustrate the issue, I've attached two images. Both were generated by making a red and a green square and then applying a blur filter on-top. For the first one, I used an Lab color-space (Luminance, red/green-axis, blue/yellow-axis; similar to how the human eye perceives color), which is one of the more accurate color-spaces (but takes up more space and is computationally expensive) and the second one is handled in your standard RGB color-space (aka what displays, pictures, videos, pretty much everything is using)

[upper temple]

WOW

Putting them side by side you can see it very well

Thanks for all the information this is exactly what I was looking for .. couldn’t quiet understand the difference between stand alone or quest link.. although I had thought quest link would have been exponentially better due to the power behind the Pc.. although I guess latency is to be expected ?

Damn so there really is no better option

I’m sure certain worlds in quest link are incredible and are designed on pc but latency + fov issues probably makes it best to just use the stand alone? What about a quest WIRED into the pc?

I spent like an hour or two trying to find a YouTube video to explain this btw. Didn’t get a single thing.

[haughty thistle]

There are still tons of people using the Quest with a PC, and my answer was pretty generic for the Quest, as to how you connect it to the PC. All of the issues that it has with Air Link and Virtual Desktop, still apply to when using it with a USB cable...

[upper temple]

Wow

Surprising nonetheless

And does it start to alter when you start purchasing gear such as

Maybe a vive or of course the valve ins

Ind

If so. Are there any relatively cheap sets that I can pay a little more than a quest and get higher imagine clarity/latency? Without going valve index and being able to control each joint and paying 1000+

[haughty thistle]

There's the HP Reverb G2, which is roundabout 600 bucks. It's controllers are a little worse then the ones of the Quest, but you get much better screens, a larger FOV, and it has a native video interface, so no compression artifacts or latency

Not to mention the better comfort out of the box and the industry leading audio solution which it shares with the Index

[harsh niche]

you can also get it for like $400 on ebay

[rapid nest]

Hello everyone, I´m getting lagspikes in applications like BeatSaber and really anything streaming via Oculus Airlink to my Quest 2. I´ve tried lowering the settings to the bottom but it doesnt really help. I Noticed that Steam only sees and uses 3gb of VRAM, is it possible to allocate more from my gpu? I have a 2060 with 6gb with i5 11600k so like it shouldnt lag at 0.5 res with no anti-aliasing right? -.-

also sorry if this isnt the right chat for this

[tawdry dove]

win 10?

[rapid nest]

yep

[rapid nest]

Yes

[tawdry dove]

I dont have much experience with pcvr issues I just now about the whole win 11 issue

[rapid nest]

I see, thanks anyho

anyone in here running vr with a rtx2060?

[rapid otter]

Yes me @rapid nest

There are no 3gb rtx 2060 so that's a weird issue

On task manager does it say your card has 3 or 6gb of vram?

[leaden ruin]

this seems like a gpu driver problem

[merry hill]

I have the same problem but when I use cable its fine

[carmine wharf]

Hey everyone, just got myself an index and am curious about a few things. first, will i need to downgrade to windows 10 to use it properly? i saw a lot of complaints that vr was broken in windows 11 when it first came out but its been a while now so idk. also, my graphics card only has one displayport and one hdmi, I was planning on just unplugging my main monitor when I want to use the index, but would there any problems that come from that? thanks

[rugged yacht]

Working on an oculus cooler. Blows my mind that they gave these things absolutely no vents what so ever. Fan and battery box should be here Tuesday

[fringe jay]

So, having just come off of watching the 3D TV episode and poking around the internet some... I have to come to you guys to see if I can get a good answer.
Anyone here know if there is a good anaglyph renderer that can be used for playing games? I know there used to be a number of 3d tv solutions like NVIDIA 3D drivers and such but it seems like every solution has died with the 3D TV craze.

I've already got VorpX for playing in a VR headset but I'd really just like to be able to play in 3d without needing a headset, ya know?

[harsh niche]

the little slats on the top and bottom seem to do fine

I wonder how the dust situation would be after a few years of owning it

[fringe jay]

Whelp, a little more looking actually answered my question.

Turns out that there is a solution called Reshade with the depthmap companion app. It lets you use the depth map of most games to produce an Anaglyph image (Blue/Red 3d image)

And that should let me turn any monitor or TV into an effective 3d TV for any game they work with.

[rapid otter]

The problem won't be displaying, you could certainly find a way, the issue would be playing the game. If all the controls are made for VR controller you certainly won't be able to play with a mouse and keyboard

[fringe jay]

Ah, that's not an issue. I'm doing the exact opposite of what you are thinking.

It's giving flat games 3d depth

Vorpx does this for VR headsets and the solution I was looking for was a way to do it without the need of a headset

[rapid otter]

There's a device you plug in the tv that can replicate what a 3d tv does, aka displaying half the lines consecutively

Also if that hasn't anything do to with VR i would advise you to change channel...

[upper temple]

I’m a day late but thanks for all the helpful information! Helps a lot. I’ll look into the HP g2 although a little pricy.

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, you still want to run Windows 10 for VR. I've heard a bunch of people are running VR on Win11, but it's really hit and miss. It may work one day and stop working another for no apparent reason on Win11. You'll save yourself a lot of headaches by downgrading.
You also want to have a monitor plugged in, as VR on headless systems is a pain in the b'tt to get working properly. You should be able to use HDMI for your monitor tho.
If you don't mind me asking, what kind of weird GPU do you have that it only has 2 outputs?

[austere sleet]

Anyone know why my Index might be having tracking trouble after an hour of gameplay? both my stations are bolted to the wall, could the headset itself be crapping out?

Is there some utility or something I could be using to be certain what the issue is?

[carmine wharf]

Alright, downgrading to 10 is gonna be a headache because idk how to transfer all of my drivers but I'll figure it out, I do have 2 monitors sorry if I wasn't clear lol, it's a dell oem gpu, yes it sucks but I don't have the money for a new PC especially right now lol

[soft hound]

Well, I've personally been on Windows 11 since the preview build was available last year. I play VR almost every day, and haven't encountered any issues. It's been no different performance-wise than Windows 10. You're better off trying it on Windows 11 before going through the whole downgrade process

If you have issues, then yes, go to 10, but I doubt you will

[carmine wharf]

Yeah I was going to lol

I'm on the latest update besides may because it scares me

I do remember my quest over quest link had stuttering issues but with how shitty oculus' software is and the fact I can't remember when it started doing that and it's been like 6 months since I used it, I'll just see if the index works without issues and if it doesn't I'll go from there

[soft hound]

The Index should be fine, as long as your PC is powerful enough

[carmine wharf]

Well before my quest started doing weird shit it worked fine running half life alyx at medium settings 72hz with all that oculus overhead so I should be fine there

And I'm sure it would've worked at higher settings but I didn't try that

[soft hound]

What CPU and GPU are you running?

[carmine wharf]

9400 and 2060 with 32gb ram

I'm sure I'll be fine for most games at 90hz

[soft hound]

Yes, it should

[carmine wharf]

And if not I can just return it and use the money to upgrade my PC instead

[grand whale]

Neat video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PHT-zBxKQQ

[rugged yacht]

what slats? the quest 2 has literally no ventilation

[harsh niche]

there’s a gap on the bottom and top for air to come in and out

in the bottom out the top @rugged yacht

the fan obviously pushes and pulls it through

[timid root]

Is 16gb of ram enough for vr games with a valve index?

System wise I've also got a 3080 & a 5900x

Only got 16gb with the intention of getting more down the line when I built the system, but I've just not needed to yet

[gloomy crater]

I used 16gb for about six months when I first got my index, never had any issues with it, and my system specs were way worse than yours at the time, so I don't think you're limited at all by only having 16gb, unless you've got 50 chrome tabs open while you're trying to play.

I upgraded to 32gb because I am frequently guilty of having that many tabs open while playing VR. According to task manager, I have 96 tabs open and I'm about to go play beat saber. fun

[trim moat]

looking for a quick gift and a screwdriver like the ltt screwdriver would be perfect Does anybody know which screwdrivers he was talking about comparing them too in an upcoming video

[small arch]

Wrong channel. But probaby Wera screwdrivers

[timid root]

Yeah chrome tabs are always a problem 😂 have so many open I loose track of what I have open 🤦

Thankfully I'm pretty good at closing chrome when gaming :)

Thanks, least I know I don't have to rush out to get more ram just yet :D

[flint ridge]

Hey so I’m on a budget of around 300-400$ for a vr gpu and I was wondering if I should wait for the 3060 to go down or look for a different gpu like the 6600 or 3050

[flint ridge]

I found a 3050 in b stock on evgas site for 280

[flint ridge]

Does it actually let you over clock

[gloomy crater]

The RX 6600 is only slightly slower than the 3060 in traditional games, but is significantly lower in price. I'm not sure what the performance difference would be in VR due to the 3060 having 4gb extra vram though

[flint ridge]

Is there a website that has like benchmarks for vr or something

[haughty thistle]

VRAM = very important for VR

Modern VR headsets often render at a pixel count higher then 4k, so the more VRAM the better

4GB is considered bare minimum, 8GB should be fine for current VR headsets like the Index or Quest 2, but for the Reverb G2 and other high res headsets, you'd more want 12GB or more. Nvidias bet on keeping VRAM amount the same for 3 generations really isn't paying off for VR gamers...

[flint ridge]

So I should probably wait for prices to go down on the 3060 for lack of a better term “future proofing”

[tawdry dove]

It can't push enough pixels to fill it's vram

Neither can the 6600

[rugged yacht]

No. I don’t think you can even OC these

[tawdry dove]

You can't

[flint ridge]

Big sad

[rapid otter]

They have fixed clocks, so they won't perform better with cooling

[flat pawn]

Does this mean you would recommend rdna2 cards?

The 16gb ones specifically

[haughty thistle]

DLSS hasn't taken off for VR at all, and to my knowledge, most of the AMD driver issues have been resolved.
I mean sure, if you don't need NVENC or any other Nvidia proprietary tech, go for it

[rugged yacht]

its not about performance for me lol, my headset gets incredibly hot

[tawdry dove]

If anything amd fsr 2.0 is more likely to be implemented into games than dlss ever will so dlss is a non factor

[glad sand]

I’m a fan of them, they work great in my experience with a 6900XT. Trade-offs compared to NVIDIA rather than one being inherently better imho

Switched to it from a 3090 so I feel I can sort of provide perspective

[flat pawn]

6900xt better than 3090 for VR specifically?

In your opinion?

[tawdry dove]

Yes

Perf may be similar or the 3090 could be better idk

But you can buy 1.5 6900xt's for the price of one 3090

[flat pawn]

I have a 6800XT I've been enjoying

[rapid otter]

If you have a 6800xt a 6900xt isn't worth it

Better wait for new one GPUs

[gloomy crater]

If I could travel back in time six months, I would tell myself to wait until april and buy a 6800XT. Instead, I paid $1700 for a 6900XT. I'm gonna try to keep this thing around until 2030 to make sure I didn't waste my investment.

Today, I woke up feeling like crap due to allergies. Had to call off work, was looking forward to playing VR the rest of the day but been bedridden instead : (

[viral solar]

i just got my replacement cable for my index. i am excited but also a bit mad it failed just after warranty. and the headset only has 1.5k hours on it. alot, but ive seen vives with completely stock parts that ran 20k hours no problem

[rugged yacht]

Prototype 2.0 of the oculus cooler

[rapid otter]

2030 is in 8 years that would be like keeping a GTX 700 in 2022, i think you'll have to change sooner if hardware and software continues to be more demanding...

[wispy orchid]

Well its not exactly like that, as in many games that came out in that era the highest settings couldnt be played at decent framerates on the hardware of the time, but now midrange cards can run brand new games at max settings at a reasonable fps. And its because of that that i think that new high end cards should be able to last 8 years for games, even if you cant run max settings they should still be able to run at least on medium. Plus game devs have certain low spec targets to hit in order to appeal to a wider number of consumers.

if i wrongly assume two things, that nvidia and amd released a new generation of cards every 2 years and that each equivalent pricepoint card is equal to the one directly above it in the previous generation, eg 3060 = 2070 = 1080, the 6900xt should be just fine at 8 years as if we use nvidia again for simple numbers 3090 = 4080 = 5070 = 6060 = 7050, it should still be an ok card. again, this is wrong, but it may be closer to reality in the long run if amd and nvidia realize they cant just keep throwing power at their chips to make them go faster and instead they need to be more efficient, thus potentially reducing their generation to generation improvements.

just my take

[green crypt]

Well those calculation are wrong a 2060 supper is more like a 1080 and a 3060 is even a higher jump from a 1080

[wispy orchid]

i did say they were wrong

just saying that the card will probably last longer than tomi thinks

[green crypt]

Yeah tho that means if the rumours are correct the next gen is an even bigger jump but it's for sure a good card for 6 years tho 8 is a bit of a stretch

[wispy orchid]

ye the next gen is a big jump, but theyre also throwing power restraints out the window

they cant just keep doing that

[green crypt]

Tho depends on what you plan to run for a low end system in 8 years yeah it's good. As 780ti are still good cards for a lot of things just depends on usecase

[wispy orchid]

but all this assumes jaysamuri doesnt upgrade sooner and just sells his 6900xt to recover some of the cost, at which point the whole incorrect assumptions go out the window lel

which i would, i know im gonna do that when the 5080 comes out to replace my 3080

[haughty thistle]

Based on leaks, we know that Nvidia is desperate for more performance on their next Gen cards, no matter the power draw. Wouldn't be surprised if a 1000W PSU isn't enough to run the 4090...

[wispy orchid]

in some systems, its not enough for a 3090ti, and the 4090 is supposed to draw 100-150w more

[haughty thistle]

I know peeps are sceptical of running an 850W PSU with a 3090, but I haven't had any problems with my Seasonic 850W...

And it's not a particularly high-end PSU either. In-fact, it was the cheapest 850W 80+ Platinum one I could find (from a reputable brand) xD

[wispy orchid]

the problem comes when it peaks and valleys at the start and end of intense loads. the psu can be rated for a certain wattage, but can momentarily supply significantly more power if its for a short enough duration. but it still has limits, and that limit can vary wildly from manufacturer to manufacturer or model to model.

and seasonic platinums tend to have pretty good tolerances to those peaks and valleys

i didnt say why the peaks matter, and its because those will trip the psu to prevent damage. and as we all know, your computer turning off when you go to load into a game is no bueno

[harsh niche]

wtf lmao

how much does that weigh?

[leaden ruin]

has anyone here found a solution to minecraft vr (vivecraft) lagging really often with cpu spikes due to garbage collection

[harsh niche]

try some different launch options

I use these ones https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/dy5u5u/best_java_arguments_for_modded_minecraft_1122/

idk if they work on newer versions tho

[rapid otter]

I do agreed with you, but i gotta add that the type of people that buy very high end normally don't keep their GPU for more than 3 generations...

[wispy orchid]

agreed

[haughty thistle]

Plus, when a GPU is 4 generations old, it's very likely to fall off the support stack. With Nvidia GPUs, driver support is always bound to Architecture. Most 700-Series cards were Maxwell based, and Maxwell support got discontinued (or at least it's discontinuation was announced) not long after the 3000-Series launched, which is 4 generations of consumer GPUs...

[tawdry dove]

The gpu's can work fine for years after support drops

And they will

[leaden ruin]

i used my rx 570 for about a year, then my rx 5600 xt for a year and now a 3070 ti

but i will probably keep this one a bit longer

[slender quest]

Looking at getting into VR. Was thinking Valve Index, but I would like to be able to transport it to my living room (downstairs; directly beneath my "office") when I have friends over. There's an ethernet connection existing between the two rooms. Is there any reasonable way to use the Index in my living room without carrying my PC up and down the stairs?

I live in Europe, so the walls are solid brick; not really easy to route cables.

[flint ridge]

Probably not I think your best option is to get a quest so hope you don’t despise meta

Idk if walls effect connection to pc but air link might work

[slender quest]

I work in IT Security; Quest is a no-go.
I've seen from my googling (duckduckgoing?) that I can do a Steam Link to show the video on my TV; but it's not really the same.
I can at least try an air link; is that the Steam Link or something different?

[flint ridge]

That’s wireless pc vr usage for quest sry for confusion

[slender quest]

Ah I see. No worries; I appreciate the help 🙂

[flint ridge]

Yeah this is has been my daily reminder that meta has total control of vr rn

[slender quest]

lol sorry about that.
It was actually a quest that I was playing with that made me decide to jump in. Played beat saber for like twenty minutes and now my entire library isn't interesting to me

[carmine wharf]

noooo my index came with a defective base station 😭

[timid root]

So after waiting a whole week I finally got the notification that my index has arrived at my local depot for delivery :D

Yaaaay can get it Saturday morning :D

Except no.... Valve is literally the only company I've ever encountered that's shipped a consumer product as business post, so can only be delivered on a week day... When I'm in work 🤷. I'm literally going to have to hope I can book a day off work or risk it being sent back to valve 🤦🤦🤦

[covert lotus]

ouch

[timid root]

Was speaking to the courier yesterday asking if I can just pay for Saturday delivery and nope valve or GLS had it marked down for delivery during business hours only 🤷🤷

Might just see if my neighbor is going to be in and get them a bottle of wine or something to keep an ear out for it 🤔

[covert lotus]

although i don't quite get what's consumer/business product and why it can't be delivered on weekend,as around here posts here work only in the most inconvenient hours ever and ofc 0 hours on weekend, because in soviet CENSORED packages pick up you

but i can still feel your pain

[covert lotus]

that'd be nice, definitely better than having to book a day off just to pick up a package

[timid root]

I've never understood the whole 8-5 parcel delivery because that's when everyone is out 🤷 I feel like if a new company was to to have special after hours delivery service they would make an absolute killing!

Perhaps Amazon has just spoiled me 😂 now I'm used to same day delivery at like 8pm on a Saturday

[covert lotus]

well, yeah, i agree with you,it's kind of weird how everyone knows ppl work 8-5 but the delivery is at those hours, seems kinda illogical but it's post service, there is no logic there, or actually, now that i think of it, probably it's just that all the logic went to logistics and nothing was left to think about how the postage interacts with humans

[timid root]

100% this!

[covert lotus]

oh i dream of that kind of speed

[timid root]

I was really hoping the parcel would come by DHL as I know the guy who deliverers them and he just drops my stuff off where I work 😂

[covert lotus]

well that'd be too convenient now wouldn't it? you woudn't be able to remember how you wasted an entire day just to pick up the new and awesome toy... oh the memories yes...

[timid root]

That's true 😂😂😂 I can guarantee if I book a day off it won't turn up until like 6:30 when I'd be home anyway 😂

[covert lotus]

[timid root]

It literally happened last month parcel was due at 10, stayed home, kept getting delayed.. saw the guy on the tracking finally get near my home around 4pm .... Then just kept going and went back to the depot 🤷 called them up and "oh the driver didn't have your parcel, it will be back out tomorrow" 😤😤😤

[covert lotus]

[haughty laurel]

Is there any advantage over using AMD or Intel CPUs for vr?

[carmine wharf]

Alright I downgraded from windows 11 to windows 10 and steamvr no longer randomly crashes! Still no update from valve for my defective base station tho

They also never gave me my $60 credit for already owning half life alyx, hopefully both are resolved tomorrow

[gloomy crater]

So I'm wondering if there's an increased risk of triggering power related hardware faults while playing VR games since they're more system intensive? I've got one of the trash tier cheapo 80+ white rated thermaltake 600w PSUs in my second system. The main components are VR ready (R5 3600 + 5700XT), but I'm wondering if actually running VR might be too much for it

[green crypt]

Okay so a 5800X Vs a 5800X3D in vrc the 5800X3D is CPU frametime wise 1/3 of a normal 5800X. It's the same base silicon just more cache. So it's 3 times better in vrchat

[harsh niche]

Is a 5800x3d a mobile version or something?

[green crypt]

It's a new CPU that came out this year it has triple the layer 3 cache and slightly lower clock speed. It's just a normal desktop cpu

It's a small refresh came out not that long ago but it's a CPU that won't get a lot of adoption as it's more of a test of if the cache works and with am5 comming out

[rapid otter]

Well it shouldn't put much more strain on your system, the GPU is taxed as much as in flat screen gaming, and the cpu well it depends of the game

Your GPU is around 250 w (no overclock) (can spike to 300 w )
cpu is around 70 w
Motherboard 25 w
And ram/SSD/HDD fans i would add a 50 w to be safe

(if nothing is overclocked or has PBO )

[green crypt]

It depends if the 600w is almost everything on the 12V line if so it's no issue at all

[rapid otter]

So you are perfectly safe with a 600w PSU

[rapid otter]

Yep forgot about that

Send you PSU or just the sticker from the side

[haughty thistle]

Nice PSU you got there. I heard it's the bomb 😏

||I know, I know, it's just an unpainted OEM PSU, but still||

[rapid otter]

Just open from Google, but i have one lie that in my main PC for a while, had pretty mich no protection

[stiff hull]

The bomb has been planted

[tawdry dove]

No, look up benchmarks if you want to know what cpu to buy

[green crypt]

If it's for vrchat 12th gen Intel + ddr5 is the best. a 5800x3d is good for vr of you already have a Ryzen system

Thing that would make the best vr CPU is supporting ddr5 3dvchache and even quad channel memory

[hushed yarrow]

does anyone have any suggestions on trackers?

[haughty thistle]

If you already have like a 10th Gen Intel or 3000/5000-Series Ryzen Chip, any Upgrade is not worth the money rn tbh

[haughty thistle]

Trackers like for Fullbody tracking?

[hushed yarrow]

yeah

just exploring options here, Right now using an og vive

[green crypt]

Vive or tundra trackers if you have base stations

[haughty thistle]

Currently there are 3 options:

• Vive 2.0 Tracker
• Vive 3.0 Tracker
• Tundra Tracker

Unless you're on a really tight budget, or find them used for really cheap, don't go with the 2.0s. They have pretty low battery life, and are super chonky

The Tundra Trackers are the smallest and lightest, plus they come with a single dongle in a 3-set (so only one USB-port required). They have massive supply issues rn tho, so good luck getting those

[hushed yarrow]

shit how much are vive 3.0 trackers supposed to cost?

[haughty thistle]

The Vive 3.0 Trackers are somewhere in-between. A little bigger and heavier then the Tundras, about an hour or two less battery life (Tundras are 7-8, the 3.0s are 6-7 and the 2.0s are 3-4 hours), but they have the best availability

[hushed yarrow]

so tundra are all round best?

or is their small form factor affect tracking performance

[haughty thistle]

MSRPs are as follows:
2.0s: 120$ (a single one)
3.0s: 150$ (a single one)
Tundra: 360$ (a three pair)

[haughty thistle]

Their smaller size is easier to occlude, yes, but the smaller weight means they don't jitter around as much when moving around fast. So pick your poison really: higher occlusion rate (which isn't really that higher then the 3.0s) or more jitter (which isn't that higher on the 3.0s)

Overall, I'd personally say the Tundras are the best, but like I said, good luck finding them in stock ;-;

[hushed yarrow]

ah ok, maybe I'll wait for trunda trackers to go on sale.

Will have fun seeing what time they restock

I am really getting screwed by currency right now

how screwy are the "other options" if you have ever tried them

[haughty thistle]

You mean like Kinect, Slime and HaritoraX?

[hushed yarrow]

yup

[haughty thistle]

Forget about the Kinect. It may be cheap, but it's tracking is absolute garbage

SlimeVR is open source, and really cheap, but it takes like hours of setup, only for the IMU drift to tear the setup apart in like minutes. Nice POC, but it needs more software work

And the HaritoraX is about as pricey as a three-set of Vive Trackers (300$), only available in Japan and the US right now, and does about what Slime wants to. It's setup is much easier, and it doesn't drift apart as quickly...

Don't get me wrong, the HaritoraX still has IMU drift, it's just not as bad as with Slime...

That's about the options I know of, that are actually worth considering...

[timid root]

Well for an update on my index delivery issues, Apparently they attempted delivery on Friday, today, and will again tomorrow... All days I'm working.

The parcel can't be redirected, moved to a weekend delivery, or delivered to a neighbor so after tomorrow it will be returned 🤦🤷 I have no idea why Valve isn't using someone like DHL. I'm just going to wait for my refund and get a meta quest, I can literally get same day delivery on them.

[gloomy crater]

That sucks. I bought a bunch of very time sensitive computer components from newegg and UPS required a signature, so even though I paid for super duper fast shipping, the parts didn't end up coming until two days after I needed them

Funnily enough, the person who sold me my index shipped with DHL so I they left it on my porch in the rain and I had to leave class and run home to get it before it was ruined.

[glad sand]

Man I ordered mine from Valve and they shipped via FedEx, had multiple several-hour long calls with them to figure out their sh*t

[gloomy crater]

I got really really lucky with my index. I sometimes wonder if the person who sold it to me still lurks in this channel, since this is where I first met them. They sold me their barely used launch week full index kit for a very good price, shipped it via DHL and I got it within two weeks of the first time I met them. Was one of the best and least stressful electronics purchases I ever made. Other than the part where it got left out in the rain of course

[glad sand]

Yeah I love it when stuff like that works out, like r/HardwareSwap lol. Got a lot of experiences like that there, great community for the most part

LTT community even better :)

[carmine wharf]

why do i get such poor performance in half life alyx

every other game runs fine but alyx i get consistent yellow on the frame time graph

and im only on medium settings

[harsh niche]

maybe it's got something to do with the game's adaptive resolution/supersampling

i've heard people having problems with it like adding onto whatever they have set in steamvr in some cases

[timid root]

Well time for another update, spoke to customer service on the sending side and they have managed to change the delivery address to my work address :D

Except now instead of it being delivered between 9-5 when I'm at work, it's being delivered between 5-8 when I'm at home 🤦🤦🤦 I swear this never ends

[carmine wharf]

Both are on auto ig I'll set the resolution in steamvr to 100% and see if that helps

[leaden ruin]

well the physics in the game also run shitty sometimes

i can run it fine now but i think with my r5 1600 af i had before my r5 3600 it could not handle it sometimes

[carmine wharf]

i have an i5 9400 and a 2060

i was thinking the physics or something was bugged but performance problems have persisted between levels and game restarts

and unless they broke something in an update my pc is definitely fast enough to run the game with no frame time issues on medium settings

[sullen linden]

yeah i use my phone

better then using a vavle

the graphics are so good

[grand whale]

Happy to say I managed to get SteamVR/OpenHMD to run my Rift CV1 under Linux, and have it basically work with positional tracking, albeit very fussy and slightly inaccurate (especially the controllers), and buttons aren’t bound correctly.

The dual-boot sadly isn’t going away any time soon, but I was at least able to make VRChat kinda sorta work.

[left bluff]

Congratulations

((repost cause still have the problem))

This is kind of a common issue I think, but my Rift CV1 sometimes cuts out the audio randomly (most of the times when I change game or change scene in the same game or use OVR virtual desktop) and I need to detach and re-attach the Rift's USB cable to make it work again, wich is kinda boring when in VR. I tried for a day or two using R7 5700g's iGPU instead of my GPU for the VR and there was not this audio issue. However with my GTX 1080 ti there is and I also tried with a Rtx 3060 and there still is the issue.
I also tried to change USB port to 2.0 and other 3.0 ports and update the usb drivers, deactivate USB power saving and I also tried to fix a method that used windows registry to deactivate Nvidia audio power saving or something like that.
Does somebody know how to fix this?

[haughty thistle]

Hmm... audio randomly cutting out sounds like an issue a friend of mine had on his CV1. In his case though, the ribbon cable connecting the headphones and the back side LEDs ripped (just normal material fatigue when putting the HMD on and off very often). He repaired his one, by just taking a few copper strands from a USB 3.0 cable and soldering them in-place of the broken part of the ribbon. Worked like a charm (reason he used USB 3.0 strands particularly, was because of their thinness and flexibility)

Although, a broken ribbon usually shows by the audio cutting in and out as you move your head or pull the strap out, not by launching a piece of software...

[left bluff]

Yeah no it's not the cable cause as I said it worked fine with iGPU

It could be IO overload

[carmine wharf]

am I missing the story in boneworks or has it not started yet I'm so confused

[rapid otter]

It starts right as you start the game you are certainly missing it

Try to look for details and you might understand it

It will certainly take a few playthrough to understand the deeper meaning

@carmine wharf

[leaden ruin]

it doesn't have a real "story" as half life alyx and stuff but its more of a level game where you as tomi said with 2-3 playthroughs start to learn the lore

in the later part there is more things you learn about the lore

[carmine wharf]

Yeah ik there's the intro video but there's not really any context to it, idk what's going on or why, and then the trailers have like tvs giving you exposition but I must not have gotten that far yet lol

[gloomy crater]

Yeah the TV's with real people on them are kinda your only blatant exposure to the real story. Everything else is just extrapolated from the environment and events taking place

[leaden ruin]

btw anyone in here found a good way to fix CPU spiking in vivecraft? in 1.16.5 i could choose something that sort of fixed it but still not quite

i run a r5 3600 and a 3070 ti so hardware capability is no problem

[solemn hornet]

thas my same spec no i dotn have problemns

[leaden ruin]

in vivecraft? i do play on a server with some mods but that shouldn't matter right?

[solemn hornet]

i dont think so

[leaden ruin]

its just walking around in the open and stuff it just has crazy weird spikes

[solemn hornet]

damn bruh

uh maybe lower the mc settings

it prolly could be bottlenecks bc thats usually what ahppens

[leaden ruin]

nah its just quick spikes

[solemn hornet]

hm

[leaden ruin]

not constant

[solemn hornet]

do you have optifine

[leaden ruin]

alot of people have the problem

[solemn hornet]

im pretty sure it works with vivecraft

[leaden ruin]

its based on optifine...

[solemn hornet]

right i forgot

[leaden ruin]

i will record my vr headset and send it here, i will ping you when im done

[solemn hornet]

ok

[leaden ruin]

@solemn hornet

i have turned alot of settings down but that should not matter tbh since its spiking

[solemn hornet]

oh yeah i see it

hm

[leaden ruin]

i run 200% but that should not matter since it also spikes on 100%

[solemn hornet]

you can see the gpu is waiting on the cpu

gpu graph is flat

[leaden ruin]

i heard alot about java dumping of files that is why its spiking

[solemn hornet]

hm

prolly some cpu bottleneck, but idk if its that 100%

[leaden ruin]

at the 1.16.5 you can select a different java dumping thing and it runs way better

i really don't wanna have to buy a new cpu since the r5 3600 is still perfectly fine for 1440P

[solemn hornet]

yeah i see ya

lemme think

[leaden ruin]

playing on 12 chunks btw

[solemn hornet]

i found this forum post

idk if it helps

http://www.vivecraft.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7647

[leaden ruin]

btw do you yourself play vivecraft?

[solemn hornet]

i've played if before on the same specced machine, but i dont personally own it

from what i notice there wasnt any spiks

[leaden ruin]

mmmhhh vsync could be the move

i will try it out

[solemn hornet]

yeah that could work

[leaden ruin]

@solemn hornet seems that its mostly fixed now, much more playable haha. i have searched for so long and so far and you just happen to stumble across that forum post

[solemn hornet]

heh lol

nice

yeah thats the thing mc is very cpu based so by unlocking fps you can run into bottlenecks

vysnc mostly helps

[leaden ruin]

yeah now that i think about it how could i miss this

[solemn hornet]

all good we alll make mistakes

[leaden ruin]

'well i could not turn on vsync but i did limit the fps to 80 fps because rift s is 80 hz sadly

[solemn hornet]

yeah but still better than uncapped

[leaden ruin]

indeed

i might be able to join a server now and not instantly vomit

[solemn hornet]

lmao

[leaden ruin]

well sort of, could walk around my base on 11 chunks 80 fps and 200% render but when i got to a friend his base with loads of villager farms and stuff my fps went to 40

[digital bolt]

I dont know how optimized vivecraft is but I kinda doubt its a cpu being ‘bottlenecked’ by minecraft giving you that bad of performance, especially on a server, though its possible i guess and mc is pretty cpu heavy . What ram do you have? Also do you know if theres other performance mods compatible with vivecraft that you could try?

also try some of these steps and maybe allocate different ram amounts (4, 6) and see whats best

[leaden ruin]

well i do have corsair ram xD

but i doubt its that

[digital bolt]

do you know how much and what speed it is?

[leaden ruin]

32gb and 3200 mhz

[digital bolt]

CL 16? doesnt seem like the issue then

Why do you have 200% render scale btw?

[leaden ruin]

looks better with distance

things like high buildings

[leaden ruin]

well java dumps unnecessary stuff but apparently that causes spikes if you have your fps uncapped since i capped it at 80 now and much much better

[digital bolt]

thats good then, just check that your steamvr supersampling is 1.0 bcz it stacks in vivecraft

[leaden ruin]

well it says global res setting 150%

so maybe i need to change it to custom

and make it 100%

since i assume thats ss

[leaden ruin]

900% scaling and still 80 fps

changed the res setting to auto again since it makes no difference

[solemn hornet]

hm

[digital bolt]

Definitely looks like cpu is the problem but idk why a 3600 would cause problems

[sour quartz]

wait, what gpu is it?

cuz even my r7 4800H in my GTX 1650 ti laptop struggled with VR Minecraft

[leaden ruin]

3070 ti

its atleast playable now

[sour quartz]

That is… maybe just a little better than my 1650….

[leaden ruin]

you think? xD

[sour quartz]

That should easily be able to handle vivecraft, unless you’ve got it laden with mods

[leaden ruin]

no mods on this version

[sour quartz]

Huh

Set up properly?

[leaden ruin]

but the thing is, alot of people have this problem since it has to do with java dumping of files

i fixed it now by capping the fps

[sour quartz]

Right, so just bad programming

Fair enough

[leaden ruin]

yeah, the whole mod is good coded with menu's and stuff and works really great but just the optimization is well just weird

[sour quartz]

I can agree with you there

[slender quest]

Getting a framework laptop. Think it can run VR?

i7 4+8 with 16g ram and 1tb storage

[green crypt]

no dedicated gpu so won't be playable

[slender quest]

Any way to make it work?

I only want it for when I have friends over

[green crypt]

an external gpu or a desktop. or you get a quest 2 and use it standalone

[slender quest]

Have a desktop, but it is on a separate floor from the living room.

I don't want meta; planning to get index

[green crypt]

well then move the desktop or an external gpu if playing on a laptop but a mobile cpu is worse for vr

[slender quest]

Feels like it might be worth it to buy a mini PC just for VR and put it by the TV

[green crypt]

eh it needs at least a 1060 6gb mini pc's are smaller but an itx system works yeah

[haughty thistle]

dragos is right, you want dedicated Graphics for VR. At minimum the performance of a 1060 and at least 4GB of VRAM (although 6GB is more recommended if possible)

There are small form-factor PCs that do meet this performance criteria, but you'll be paying with higher then normal prices for that kind of performance

[digital bolt]

Theres plenty of itx cases that support even 3080s

egpu can cause weird latency and performance w laptops sometimes so i wouldn’t really recommend that for vr

[harsh niche]

yeah

do mini pc’s have thermal issues as bad as laptops?

[rapid otter]

It depends of how small

These kind don't if they are properly made

You can get dual 240 rads in here and get great cooling

Or even in smaller cases

Tho this requires a lot of time and knowledge to pull off

@harsh niche

[harsh niche]

Oh cool

wtf is that keyboard

[haughty thistle]

I spot some Bose QC35/45s in the background 👀

[robust tinsel]

ew that keyboard

[tawdry dove]

It's an ergo keyboard probably

[gloomy crater]

Ha. I'm looking into doing my first SFF build to use as a mobile VR rig but I'm getting so much conflicting information that I STILL have no idea what to look for when I go to micro center tomorrow

[leaden ruin]

Good fans is also a thing that helps

[rapid otter]

Yes but a lot of the time you go with very slim fans

[leaden ruin]

Seen too many overheating small form factor builds with low cfm or just in general fans that don't push alot of air

[rapid otter]

Not the most powerful

[leaden ruin]

Good headphones

For bluetooth atleast

[digital bolt]

Look for a case that you like and has enough airflow and supports the gpu you want to use, optimum tech has good reviews i think. Then get a gpu that is supported by the case that is good enough for your needs, same with the cpu but make sure you dont get too hot of chips, for the cpu especially. Get a good psu thats enough for the parts and fits the case, get a itx motherboard that has all the features you need (enough ram slots, m.2, pcie, io). You will also want to go liquid cooled for the cpu at least, so get the biggest aio that fits your case basically (unless you get a low tdp chip) then as many fans as the case supports.

Case is basically preference as long as its good enough but i personally like the meshilicious tho idk what cases microcenter has

NR200 is also an easy case though its pretty big

[gloomy crater]

I already have an R5 3600 + RX 5700XT lying around, along with some other decent parts. I was planning on just using the Ryzen stock cooler, so the only parts I'd need are the case, PSU, and board

[haughty thistle]

The updated NZXT H1 also looks very promising, if a little on the larger side...

The benefit is that it comes with an AIO pre-installed for the CPU, and has a separate chamber for the GPU (so larger GPUs also work)

Honestly, if it wasn't for my need of a bazillion PCIe cards, I'd likely go for that case ngl...

[gloomy crater]

This is the parts list I've got rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h92FPX

Everything that I'm missing, including the motherboard, I've put in this list, and it's still less than the H1 on its own

[digital bolt]

Solid list

Keep an eye on cpu temps tho

[rapid otter]

Niceee i like small form factor builds

[rapid otter]

It's a Ryzen 3600 as long as there's reasonable airflow it's perfectly fien

[digital bolt]

I know just want to be careful with stock cooler in itx, just make sure the temps are fine and not throttling

thats why i didnt say they needed to buy a cooler straight away

[haughty thistle]

The AMD stock coolers are fine, as long as it's the one that came included with the CPU and you don't do any overclocking...

[gloomy crater]

I asked in one of the tech chat channels and got told an AIO is my best bet. I'll probably just get everything together and run it on the air cooler for a bit and if I'm not satisfied with the temps I'll get an AIO

[digital bolt]

That would be my advice as well, a 240 aio would be perfect if the temps are too high but no reason to buy amything if the temps are fine :)

[timid root]

Has anyone managed to get webvr & webxr videos to play via on the valve index?

It typically just says "chrome up next" and never starts. I have tried turning off sandboxing and running chrome & steam as an admin. That changes to message to waiting but nothing ever loads 🤷

[leaden ruin]

only reason i went aio is because my build doesn't support those big coolers and looks better in this case

[sullen linden]

gaming and productivity seem to be through the floor

[limber yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PHT-zBxKQQ

[wise patrol]

scam

[solemn hornet]

nah nah why

[compact mesa]

the specification for my motherboard should be 10 gigabit for this usbc port

but its only 2 gigabit so the quality is very bad?

i literally cant play vr its too bad i have a 6600xt

[tawdry dove]

You can definitely run vr on that

[compact mesa]

i know

but the quality is terrible

i think its cause its only 2 gigabit for some reason

[tawdry dove]

Does the cable support those speeds?

[compact mesa]

yes its the oculus link cable

[timber heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeton75mDvA

[harsh niche]

ok

[gloomy crater]

okay I have no idea what's happening but it occurred while playing VR so I'm asking for help here

I was playing beat saber with my sister when my game randomly crashed. I checked the event viewer and it said the game crashed because the system was unable to read a file from the install location of the game. I tried relaunching the game, nothing worked. I quit out of VR entirely and restarted steam, and now when I go to my library, instead of saying 'play' when I click on a game, it says 'install'

I checked the folder where all my games are stored. The drive is 100% recognized by the system, and all of the files for all of the games that are installed on that drive are still there, but steam refuses to acknowledge that those games are installed there

[rapid otter]

Well you can try reinstalling them at the exact same place

[gloomy crater]

Ok scratch that, all of the games that were installed to that folder EXCEPT for beat saber now read 'a device which does not exist was specified' whenever I try to view the contents of the games folders

I have no idea what's happening

[rapid otter]

It should recognize that there's data already and fill in the gaps

[gloomy crater]

I tried installing one of the games, and it says 'disk write error' and refuses to install it

[rapid otter]

Also you can try steam>beatsaber>gear icon> manage files (or whatever it's called)> verify files

[rapid otter]

SSD or HDD , and how full is it ?

[gloomy crater]

I can't verify the files of a game that steam believes isn't installed it seems. and I can't install the game because of the write error

It's the 2tb SSD that I just recently installed into my system, it's only half full

[rapid otter]

Sounded like a drive error but they normally never fail

I would run cristal disk mark and check for errors

[gloomy crater]

I'll try crystal disk mark I guess. If this drive is toasted roasted, then literally all of the save data for all of these games are gonna be lost

[rapid otter]

It's certainly not dead otherwise you couldn't access it, but there's a possibility of a corruption somewhere

I think it's more likely to be a steam/software error than hardware TBH

[gloomy crater]

uhh. umm. crystal disk info doesn't list the offending drive

It only lists the other three drives in my system.

[rapid otter]

Can you backup everything somewhere?

I would advise you to do so right now and then we'll see for otter fixes

Also don't turn the PC off

[gloomy crater]

I just tried dragging and dropping the contents of the game drive into one of my other hard drives and it just does nothing. I tried loading up a drive cloning software to clone it to the other drive but the software doesn't recognize the bad drive either, so it has nowhere to clone from

[rapid otter]

Can you open the files on it ?

Other than beatsaber?

[gloomy crater]

I mean yeah, certain files I can open, but they're all files that contain other files, which contain the actually important stuff, but those files are the ones I can't open

[rapid otter]

Can you launch the games that are on the drive ?

[gloomy crater]

definitely not. It says they aren't even installed, and I can't access the files to get at the .exe's that might launch the games

oddly enough, it says in the steam download manager that Undertale is still installed on that drive, but when I try to launch it, it causes a missing executable error

[rapid otter]

So the os knows where is stuff but can't open it

From when the issue started did you do a restart ?

[gloomy crater]

No I haven't restarted the computer in 13 days

[rapid otter]

Ok

Well i can't really think of anything else to do

[gloomy crater]

I guess I'll just wait until tomorrow and see if anyone on the forums can help. The biggest losses here would be all of my 100+ beat saber songs, and my fallout 4 and new vegas mods + saves, so those are the ones I have to focus on trying to save

[rapid otter]

Yeah got it

You could try macrium reflect to clone the drive

I don't think it will work but better try isn't it?

If you can try copying on an external drive

[gloomy crater]

Macrium reflect is the drive cloning software I tried earlier

[rapid otter]

Crap

[gloomy crater]

At this point I have now come to terms with the fact that I haven't played fallout in over a year anyway and am mostly annoyed about losing all my beat saber songs

If it turns out this drive is borked after only having it for a couple months, this'll be the first time I've ever had to return a product to amazon, and the last time I ever buy anything from Inland

serves me right for not buying a samsung 970 evo plus instead

[rapid otter]

I have one of those 970

And they are great

If you really care about your data get a big spinning drive on Amazon and backup your things on it

You can get a 4tb HDD for like 80$

[haughty thistle]

The Quest 1 is limited to a Bitrate of 150Mbit/s for PCVR and the Quest 2 is limited to 500Mbit/s. Any extra speed the USB connection offers is just extra stability...

[gloomy crater]

Yeah I think all my data is just lost. well this sucks. I hope past me bookmarked most of my songs on the bsaber website at least

[rapid otter]

Don't give up maybe a restart will fix it

If you ever restart you can go into safe mode and execute CHKDSK to try to fix the drive

[compact mesa]

the quest 2 is seriously only 500 mbit?

thata kinda dissapointing

[haughty thistle]

Yup, it is. It's all the SOC can handle in the Quest. Remember, it's effectively running a Live Stream from your PC.
So jacking up the Bitrate also puts a heavier load on Your CPU/Video Encoder...

[gloomy crater]

wow uh

I don't know how to say this but I had to restart my system to fix my fans anyway, and when I restarted the system, the drive just appeared again out of nowhere

[harsh niche]

hey at least it’s a happy ending

[rapid otter]

Still I'd advise to back thing up

Ya never know if it's gone happen again

[harsh niche]

probably asap

[sullen linden]

I was planning to turn my phone + googlevr into an hmd. I'm just checking if there are any guides. If there aren't i'll document it myself

[dawn lark]

For some reason when i watch vr videos on my htc vive they appear to only display a black screen with sound but no video

I was also unable to play them with the standard windows video player until i downloaded HEVC video extensions but that only solved the issue for the windows player and not for other apps

Are there vr video players that have this video extension build in or am i just doing something wrong entirely?

Note it depends on the video if i am able/unable to play them

[dawn lark]

nvm different video players work i guess and im just stupid

[fierce kite]

I have my PS5 in server room. I have one free cat7 cable from there to my livingroom. Its about 12 meters. Is there any way to get ps4 cam working trought that cat7 cable? I need it for VR.

[lusty dagger]

Sure, but involves soldering.

[cyan ether]

Is a $90 Rift S worth it as a budget starter headset? Looks better than those Windows Mixed Reality ones, but I’ve also seen some complaints about it.

[harsh niche]

$90? 🤨

[cyan ether]

eBay and Facebook Marketplace

[sour quartz]

Paying 90$ for any headest from occulus or steam etc is worth it honest

Assuming your pc can run it

[cyan ether]

I have a 1660 Super and R5 3600, so I think I should be fine spec wise for the basic intro games I want to try out

Some people were telling me that the Rift S has a lot of issues with usb and displayport detection though

But idk how true it is

[sour quartz]

90us im assuming?

[cyan ether]

Ye

[sour quartz]

Bargain

[cyan ether]

You mean bargain down or that it’s already a bargain?

[sour quartz]

It is a bargain

[cyan ether]

Ah got it lol

[haughty thistle]

If it works, and doesn't ahve a broken cable, why not?

Even with all the issues the Rift S has, for that price, it's gonna run circles around the Quest PCVR experience

[cyan ether]

The listings say they work fine, but when I asked some friends on another server for feedback, they all kept bringing up that detection issue and saying to just save up for a Quest 2 🗿

So now I’m slightly concerned about it, but it’s still sub $100 for a namebrand headset and controllers, so… 💀

[haughty thistle]

The Rift S has issues, yes. But it's not nearly as bad as always said. There is a common problem, where the built-in mic turns you into a robot (voice-wise), which is likely a software issue. And with some USB controllers, there can be issues with the power delivery to the headset (as-in, the controller doesn't supply enough power to the headset via USB). The latter one can be easily fixed by using a powered USB hub or a dedicated USB controller card

The Quest also has it's own set of issues with USB detection, image quality, performance, etc.

[cyan ether]

Rift S + powered usb hub would be way cheaper 🗿

Thanks lol

Not too knowledgeable on this front yet and even if it’s only $90 bucks, I’d rather it last me a decent bit of time

[haughty thistle]

on another server
If you're talking about Thrillseeker Discord, well the Guy behind the channel had run into some of these issues, and never reported again on it. It's the typical Internet bubble effect, where a community only being exposed to one common factor, all tends to support that factor, even if it's only half the truth (just look at flat earthers, they're way further down the bubble)

[cyan ether]

lol

[cyan ether]

Well from there, but also on a private server of general gaming bros as well

[haughty thistle]

Huh...

Matter of the fact is, the Rift S isn't as bad as always said. Yeah, if it's the same price as a CV1 or Quest, rather get that then the Rift S, but for 90$ you won't find another headset. And it's not like it doesn't work at all...

[cyan ether]

I didn’t know about the CV1, but looked it up and found it in the same used price bracket. lol

How do the CV1 and Rift S compare?

[haughty thistle]

The CV1 has lower resolution screens and worse quality lenses. But on the upside, it's lighter weight, more comfortable, has better tracking and the most comfortable VR controllers ever made. Beating out even the Index, which is only second place...

Plus the CV1 also has a way better mic and headphones then the Rift S

Only thing to look out for is that for Roomscale on the CV1 you'd want 3 cameras and also, the cable often breaks over time in the back mounting point. As cables for the CV1 are getting rarer, the best option for a new one is unfortunatly buying a second CV1 HMD and harvesting the cable from that 😬 (not that it's any different for the Rift S tho)

[cyan ether]

Do you mean the mocap sensors when you say cameras? Most of the listings seem to only have 2

Since I don’t know what it is yet though, can probably live without it for awhile

[haughty thistle]

When I say CV1 camera, I mean these things:

They contain IR-Cameras that look out for IR-LEDs on the headset and controllers

2 are fine if you have no problem not turning around. If you want the full roomscale experience tho, you do want at least 3 of these bad boys

[leaden ruin]

i always have it plugged in and never had issues maybe people have loads of issues because they keep replugging it when they want to play

[stoic knot]

yeah don't buy a cv1, the cables fail really easily I've heard
I found a cv1 in e-waste and the software is so stupid, you have no idea that you have a dead cable until you go out and buy a camera (at least that's what I did) only to get a generic error

so i had to blow $60 cad on ebay* just to find out my cable was dead
anyone know if its possible to DIY a new cable? Since it just uses USB-A and hdmi

[gloomy crater]

So I'm watching today's WAN show and I love how Linus' reaction to the Varjo Aero is literally just 'how could this possibly be worth double the valve index'

[glad sand]

@haughty thistle

[valid wasp]

yo, i got an i5 9600k and a 1060 6gb, which one should i upgrade first?

i try to play vr using a 2060, but i didnt feel any difference on the stutters

[glad sand]

1060 to 2060 isn't a huge upgrade, maybe go for 3060 Ti? Or 1080 Ti

[valid wasp]

but is my processor alright?

in most games it show like 10-20fps more and less stuttering, but for VR it just didnt do a thing when i try the 2060

[glad sand]

9600K is solid, not worth upgrading until next gen comes out at least

[valid wasp]

nice then~

how about mobo? mine is the b360m

it is locked by intel for ram speed

[haughty thistle]

Nieche Product + Economics of Scale + Expensive Components + a European Company = Higher then normal price

It's really just that. The Varjo Aero caters to such a small nieche (the absolute enthusiast) that there aren't that many buyers to begin with. Add on top that the smaller your production runs, the more expensive they are and the higher price of the used components (aspheric lenses are more expensive both in development and production). And don't forget that Varjo is a European based company. Over here Workers aren't exploited and we have stuff like National Health Care and higher taxes (to better fund national infrastructure and the likes). As a result, the cost of a workforce is much higher in Europe and as such the products developed in Europe are also more expensive to boot

It's really a bunch of factors coming together. And if Linus was comparing them to Pimax, well, hate to say it, but I doubt Pimax is going to deliver the same quality as a business focused Company would. They can't even keep their promises...

[sour quartz]

I think the guy meant more along the lines of "linus has no idea what these headsets are"

[gloomy crater]

of course I know what makes the aero so expensive and cool. I feel like if he were to demo it he'd understand

The way he talked about it just made it sound like he thought it was a bunch of overpriced industry grade garbage that only businesses would find use in, when in actuality, its the less expensive consumer grade version of another much more expensive piece of hardware, and the price is completely justified

[haughty thistle]

Mhm

[finite yarrow]

Getting my first vr set. Never tried vr but im excited. Anyone got any tips or suggestions for a first time Oculus Quest 1 user? Sideloading and homebrew looks to be super easy. Its just running android right?

[gloomy crater]

Pretty much

It appears when connected to a PC as an android based device and can be navigated like one, but using sidequest is the preferred method for sideloading

My advice is buy rechargeable batteries for the controllers, and to wrap a rubber band or some sort of spacer around them so that they don't shake around inside the controllers, making tons of noise and causing tracking issues during gameplay.

[finite yarrow]

Hows hand tracking? Any YouTube videos i found about it were from right when it was released so it was still fairly janky. Was hoping they smoothed it out a bit since then

[haughty thistle]

Hand Tracking only works locally on the Quest. If an App hasn't been updated to use the Hand Tracking 2.0 Update, it's likely still as janky

From my experience, you also don't want a room colored too closely to your skin color, or the hand tracking just fails to properly identify your hands. So is the case with me. As soon as one of my walls is behind my hands, it just stops properly tracking (like jitters to the point of unusable). Not to mention that by activating Hand tracking, you do agree to additional data collection from Metabook about your hand shape, color and how they move (at least afaik)

[finite yarrow]

Well of course. Why wouldnt they collect more data? I deleted my Facebook years ago but just made a new one for use with oculus. But im sure they had anything they wanted on me anyway, especially since my wife uses it heavily

[grim gulch]

is a regular vive worth 400$?

[molten scaffold]

check ebay for what they normally sell for

[haughty thistle]

You'd basically getting a pair of Lighthouses (300$ worth) and get a pair of Vive wands (imo 100$ worth at max) with a free Vive HMD on top. That is, if it contains the full kit. Otherwise, no it's not worth it

[carmine wharf]

what does the varjo aero offer over the valve index in the first place

[carmine wharf]

in response to this

all im seeing is miniled, comfort, and eye tracking

and possibly higher fov? but i mean index has a damn good fov

im not hating on it genuinely want to know what makes it better

eye tracking is awesome for foveated rendering but im not exactly sure how that would work, wouldnt the game/app need to support it? or would it just need to be steamvr that supports it

oh damn i looked at it for this long and didnt even realize that its basically double the resolution of the index lmao, why did i think the index was 2560x1600

[gloomy crater]

I'd recommend either waiting for chickenbread to respond, since I don't actually own one, or watching thrillseeker's video on the headset from october of last year to get an idea of what makes else it special

[carmine wharf]

oh yeah of course, wasnt directing it at you specifically

[haughty thistle]

It's the sharpest HMD I've tried yet. It's about as much of a clarity jump from the G2, as the G2 is from the Index. Like 2 generations of clarity improvement. And I'm not even running it at native res most of the time (because even a 3090 doesn't have the horses to do so). Another benefit of the clear aspheric lenses is that the sharpness stays throughout almost all of the FOV and there's no lens glare in sight.
Other then that, it's also a major improvement in contrast and brightness. Whereas the Index tops out at (I believe) 90nits TTL, the Aero is 150 nits, without worsening black levels. As of the newest software, one can also trade some of that peak brightness for better black levels (as there's now a brightness slider).
FOV wise, it feels about as wide as the Index, but it's not as tall as the Index for sure. I don't think it's much of a problem, as HFOV tends to be more noticeable in-game then VFOV. Attached are two pictures of FOV measurements. First one is the Index, second one is the Aero.
Comfort is unfortunately a mixed bag. While on the one hand it doesn't dig into my cheeks, it's strap tends to slide down my face over time. And replacing it isn't that easy, as the mount for the facial interface is part of the strap that goes around the back 😦

And for FOV comparison, these are the measurements from my Quest 1

[sour quartz]

Long story short... It looks really fucking good

[glad sand]

No, $200 is the going rate. More than that is too much unless a bunch of extra accessories like DAS are included then up to $300 maybe. Unless it’s brand new with everything sealed

[green crypt]

Depends on the market where you are tho would say 400 a bit much except with das included

[carmine wharf]

oh i hadnt even considered the difference in optics, that fov with no blurring around the edges sounds much better than anything else out right now. Sucks it has no audio though

[snow steeple]

Anyone in the US interested in a Vive 1 headset only/

I picked up Vive Pro 2 but re-used base stations so I have a perfect condition Vive 1 headset no longer in use

[gloomy crater]

So update on my drive situation: I'm now able to play certain games, but every single VR game I own is completely unable to launch. I even got a blue screen while trying to get beat saber working. I've already (successfully? idk) backed up the contents of the drive to my spare drive, so I'm gonna try copying that backup to the boot drive of my main system and get it working that way.

It's like, this drive works totally fine in every other system I've put it in, but as soon as I slap it back into my main one, it's oh you can't copy that file, hey you can't launch that game, also you can't write data or install updates because 'a device which does not exist was specified'

with that being said, I now have to disassemble my brand new SFF build to get at the drive mounted to the back of the board in it to proceed with troubleshooting. Hopefully at this rate I'll be able to play boneworks again by the end of the summer.

[sour quartz]

If your paying that much for a headset, you won't mind spending a few hundred more for some headphones

[carmine wharf]

problem with headphones is getting them to fit properly with a headset and also plugging them in

[glad sand]

@grim gulch

[whole fern]

Hey I have a question, so I'm using a Kinect for Full Body, is the money for the Driver4VR worth it compared to the free KinectToVR?

[green crypt]

KinectToVR is way better

[haughty thistle]

Not really. The Varjo has a 4-pole headphone jack on the side. If your headphones have a detachable cable, you can just get an ultra-short cable and your fine. And I also found the Varjo strap to be low profile enough to fit over ear headphones on top no problem. Something I can't say of most other headsets...

[gloomy crater]

Okay, I have confirmed that all of the save data for the VR games that matter were successfully backed up, but now I have another issue.

Or like three actually

The first being, my AVG antivirus has randomly started doing this thing where whenever I start a VR game, it refuses to allow it to launch and says that the application was stopped due to being infected with 'IDP Generic'. When this happens, I can either click 'move to quarantine' and it'll delete the .exe to launch that game, which makes me laugh. Or I can click 'create exception' which will allow the game to launch that one time, but if I try to do it again later, it will once again block it

The second issue is that while beat saber and vrchat appear to be functioning perfectly, both half life alyx and boneworks now have horrible stuttering issues.

Boneworks' stuttering is all visual alignment, where I'm looking will snap backwards a few inches then correct itself a split second later, so instead of a smooth motion from one point to another whenever I turn, it's like I'm shaking my head back and forth as I turn in that direction, which is nauseating. As for half life alyx, all of the weirdness in it is movement based, I'll randomly find myself sliding across the ground, trying to move forward but being pulled back to where I just was, or rapidly having my head pop back and forth between crouching and standing height whenever I try to crouch.

I tried to take a video of it but I had to update my drivers earlier which reset my recording hotkeys. I dunno if these issues have anything to do with the games now being installed on a hard drive, but they never used to do this on my SSD before it got fried. But hey, at least all my data for these games are still there

[sullen linden]

What is a recommended cable to play pcvr that is usb-c to usb-a for semi-cheap???

[white sluice]

question, the quest requires just a usb c cable for playing off a pc, do you need to have an APU/IGPu in your system?

[gloomy crater]

Hm? If you're asking whether your CPU has to have integrated graphics in order to run quest link, the answer is no

If the question is whether the quest just requires a usbc cable, then the answer is pretty much yes. As long as you have a good enough PC for it

[white sluice]

this one

I was just concerned it wouldn't run if I don't have graphics to put out over usb

[gloomy crater]

That's understandable. Nope, all the video encoding is done on the dedicated GPU and then the signal is compressed to deliver it to the headset over a USB interface. It's all their proprietary method. You don't even really need the cable either, with stuff like air link or virtual desktop, the compressed signal is sent wirelessly. So an APU is not required

[white sluice]

could I run it out of my thunderbolt port on my b550 board?

[gloomy crater]

Complicated question. In theory, yes. Is there a way to tell if it'll work without testing it first? not really. The number of people online saying that their insert-motherboard-port-here isn't working with quest link is pretty big.

In my case, I had a type-c port on my b450 steel legend, but it never worked with link. I had to buy a dedicated expansion card to add a type-c port that then worked. Maybe thunderbolt is held to a higher standard so is more likely to work? Who knows. If it doesn't, and you didn't spend $80 on a cable that you're dead set on getting your money's worth out of, then other ports, or even air link and virtual desktop are always an option. With that being said, it'll most likely work, cause thunderbolt should be fully compatible with type-c devices as long as that feature is enabled.

[rare grail]

It's also possible to use ALVR with USB

works pretty reliably, and btw, for best results you should plug your USB to the motherboard directly if using a USB A to C cable

[finite yarrow]

Wait wtf i have the b450 steel legend and was so annoyed there was no usb c header, that ive spent like 2 years not realizing it still had one on the back. I mean i just got my headset yesterday, so it wasnt that big a deal but still. Good to know

[rare grail]

oof

[harsh niche]

Irony

I can definitely trust Facebook with all of my private conversations 😃😃

Just like I can trust them with a vr headset that has 4 cameras on it

oops

[west grove]

i trust their encryption. i follow an ex-whatsapp dev on twitter and he vouches for their encryption. what i don't trust, is what they do with my data before hitting send. i wouldn't believe anything they say about not scanning messages before you press send

[rare grail]

They may have good encryption, but it could be possible that they have some sort of backdoor to access your messages or something

[west grove]

i agree, but on either device before sending and after receiving the messages. according to the security guy on twitter their encryption at least during transit isn't backdoored

[rare grail]

ah

[rare grail]

on another note, anyone excited for Bonelabs?

[gloomy crater]

Oh, very. I was interested to see whether Project 4 (now known as bonelabs) or 98.6 DEADFM would get announced first. Glad to see it's being released on quest as well, as much as I dislike those headsets, getting more people into SLZ's games is always a plus for potential future titles. I always kinda assumed we'd never have a PCVR staple like the boneworks engine running on mobile hardware but it seems they made it work just fine

[rare grail]

I'm happy that Bonelabs will get a release on Q2 but at the same time I'm not

I'll probably get the game on Steam since the Oculus stuff is really hit or miss, there's many reports of people losing their accounts and stuff

[wheat brook]

If I get a quest 2 will I need a usb c port or can I use a front panel type b or a motherboard type b

[rare grail]

You can use a Type C to C cable if your motherboard supports it, or get a USB A to C cable

[finite yarrow]

Mind if i ask why you dislike the Quest? I just got a quest 1, and im loving it in terms of a first time vr experience

[rapid otter]

You aren't alone this happens quite often in BW, that's one of the reasons I don't play VR anymore, too much lag and weird issues

[haughty thistle]

WhatsApp literally forked the Encryption system from Signal and made their fork closed source. So who knows what kind of backdoors Metabook has implemented...
If you want the truely secure, private and OSS OG of their System, go with Signal. They've proven enough times that the only un-encrypted data they have about their users is the phone number, date of account creation and date of last login 🙂

[finite yarrow]

Is there any benifit to Signal if the people on the other end arent using it? Downloaded it for a little while, but switched back to google messages. Totally off topic for here sorry

[haughty thistle]

From my experience, most VR enthusiasts have a hate/love relation with the Quest. On the one hand, they love that the low price brings floods of new users, on the other hand, they hate that Metabook is basically trying every trick in the book to try and keep those users in their walled garden (by paying devs to make exclusives). Inevitably, the larger number of Quest users also slowly pulls devs to develop for the Quest first, reducing the quality of games that come to PC, if they even come to PC that is...

[haughty thistle]

Unfortunatly, no. Signal, just like any messenger, can only encrypt messages that are sent within their own system. There is RCS messages (which is kinda like Apple's iMessage, but cross-platform and hosted by mobile network providers) where the encryption is set by the standard, not by the App...

And I agree, this is super off-topic. So I'ma leave it at that ^^

[haughty thistle]

It doesn't matter what type of a port you use on your PC side, as the Quest only needs a USB 3.0 connection. A simple USB 3.0 Type-A to Type-C cable can do the job just fine...

[finite yarrow]

Makes sense. But you could argue to an extent that it may be better for VR to go in that direction. Get a base of users onto the more limited system while its in its early years (with pc as an option), then require people to have a pc for a significantly better experience once its more of a household thing. Ive only owned my quest a little over 24 hours though, so im by no means educated on the scene

[haughty thistle]

I'm a PC gamer. I want full control over my system. The Quest is kinda like the console of VR, so there's no way in hell I'd be using that as my main VR system

Besides, PCVR has much more potential for much better graphics. The Quest is built upon a 1.5 year old mobile chip, and the graphics really show that. Because of the higher graphic demands of VR, Quest games kinda look like mobile games from 2016 or smth...

[finite yarrow]

Now that crossplay is a thing on consoles, the new battlefield is standalone vs a full rig

[west grove]

oh i 100% agree that you should choose signal, i'm just relaying information from an ex whatsapp dev that even though he's not a facebook fan, he still trusts their encryption for in-transit messages

[wheat brook]

Thanks, I hope to be ordering my quest soon and not have to get a usb c pci adapter, thanks

[finite yarrow]

Can you play regular games in the Oculus? Ideally to a point where windows treats it like another screen, instead of like bigscreen over the network

[haughty thistle]

SteamVR has what's called "Theatre Mode", where any native flat Steam Title can be played in a virtual theatre within the headset. This ofc requires SteamVR to be running. Unfortunatly, this does not work for non-Steam games, even if you add them to your Steam library

Also, it takes a bit of performance to not just run the game, but also rendering that virtual theatre. Unless you have quite a nice GPU headroom with a game, I'd recommend not playing them in VR this way

[leaden ruin]

yeah i always get my games on steam

oculus is just no

[wispy orchid]

virtual desktop now has virtual monitors so you can do it with that easily, but even with the performance overhead it shouldnt be that bad because vr games are notoriously bad to run compared to flat, so if you can run vr games then flat projected into vr shouldnt be a problem

[rare grail]

Well you can do that.. but that sorta defeats the purpose of having VR right?

[wispy orchid]

no? just another use case for it

[leaden ruin]

well its a bit like watching a movie in a virtual theatre

its immersive and looks great imo

actually speaking of games, anyone else here excited for the new f1 2022 vr

i've been waiting for years for that

[gloomy crater]

I actually started on a quest myself, and I absolutely loved it initially. As someone who hadn't really interacted with the technology before, it was amazing early on. But about six months after I got the headset, I got tired of not being able to play any of the popular PCVR titles, so I had to upgrade my GPU just to be able to run games over quest link. Then, every time I wanted to play, I'd have to do a fifteen step process just to turn on the headset, get it connected, and launch a game. With my index, I can randomly think 'i wanna play a VR game' and then stand up, push both buttons on my controllers, put on my index, and be standing in whatever game in under a minute. That was never possible when I had a quest.

[leaden ruin]

i am still happy with my rift-s does what it needs to do and still works perfectly after i think like 600-800 hours

[gloomy crater]

Of the three people with headsets in my family, I'm the only one who doesn't have one from Facebook, so I suppose they work perfectly for some people and not others. It seems I'm just not one of the Oculus/meta people

[carmine wharf]

weird how the index box says it comes with 2 face gaskets

[carmine wharf]

my gpu only has one displayport so its a bit of a process for me unfortunately, i have the money to upgrade my gpu but then id also need a whole new pc because i have a proprietary prebuilt garbo non upgradeable power supply

and that i do not have money for

[distant spade]

Recently I decided to plug in my Oculus CV1 Headset for the first time in a while and it was working fine for a little bit but 5 minutes ago I kept getting a notification on my PC for usb power surge, I've unplugged everything else and came to the conclusion that it is indeed my Oculus CV1 Headset. Is my headset broken or is there just some weird driver stuff going on? I don't know what to do, using a different usb port gives me the same outcome. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

Nvm, think my usb port is just dead or something. After restarting it's now doing it to any usb device I connect

[finite yarrow]

How hard on my Oculus is using it while charging? Just media, no games

[hushed pond]

nothing, if you consume more than the charger can provide it will just drain but slower compared to not being plugued in

[finite yarrow]

Alright cool

[trail ember]

anyone else's steamVR render resolution slider doing absolutely nothing?

no matter what i set it to the image quality doesnt change

[haughty thistle]

With HLA and the default SteamVR Home, that slider is ignored in favor of a dynamic render resolution that orients itself around system performance and tries to keep the framerate at the refreshrate and with most other games, that slider is read out when launching the game and then any change to the slider doesn't affect the game anymore.

It does still affect the render resolution, just not immediatly for a big number of games...

[trail ember]

it used to make the resolution change when i changed it tho:/

[haughty thistle]

It's always been like this tho

[trail ember]

legit a few weeks back i could make steamVR home or any game either look absolutely pixelated or i could make my pc crash with the 500% resolution

[sick sluice]

hey, guys, I have a question, I want to enter the world of vr, I was thinking Oculus Quest 2 might be a good start, but I do not have a facebook account, is there a mod or hack I can try to use it whitout a facebook account?

if there isn't, what other options would there be under 400 usd?

[haughty thistle]

Unfortunately no. You need a Facebook account to set up the Quest 2. The only option I can think off for less then 400 bucks is by getting a used Vive or WMR headset (the former requiring Steam and the latter requiring Windows)

[sick sluice]

but does the account have to be active, or I can just make a fake one for oculus

[haughty thistle]

When that account gets banned, you loose access to not just the games bought under that account, but also to the hardware. Considering how strict Facebook is regarding fake accounts, I'd not risk a hardware purchase to fake data...

[sick sluice]

wow, kinda messed up that you need to use facebook to use other products that have nothing to do whit the social platform, but I guess that's why it is so cheat compared to other vr headsets

Found on some forums about a head set named Pico Neo 3, that might be a competitor for oculus quest, does any one know if it is good or were can I buy it?

[haughty thistle]

The Neo 3 so far is only sold in China, and has seen a limited run release in Europe and from what I know only requires a login for using it as a standalone HMD

[sick sluice]

do you know which contries in europe?

oh, nvm it was presented in France and was only sold in Germany, Spain, UK and Italy in limited quantities

[haughty thistle]

Well, the German Retailer Beatware was one store which carried parts of that limited release, and Beatware ships to any country in the EU 😄

[sick sluice]

ok, I am going to look it up

[haughty thistle]

Good luck. From what I know, all units sold out within days...

[sick sluice]

If I dont find it anywere, I found in my country a HTC vive Cosmos at 500 euros and a Cosmos Elite at 580, is more then the 450 euros the Pico Neo was sold at but compared to amazon it is a pretty good price, on amazon the Vive Cosmos Elite is $750. The only problem is that here (Romania) people like to scam you, so... Idk

[haughty thistle]

The Cosmos is 😬

The biggest problems with the Cosmos are that it's hinge makes it so that the lenses never sit properly parallel with your eyes and (with the non-Elite) it's tracking isn't that great

[sick sluice]

why so?

[haughty thistle]

With the Elite, make sure it comes with a pair of lighthouses. Without those, it's useless

[sick sluice]

yes it does, it says Cosmos Elite kit

[wispy orchid]

id double check that that doesnt just mean the headset and wands

[finite yarrow]

Holy hell, skyrim vr is a magical experience. Air link works way better then i thought it would on my comcast provided box

[leaden ruin]

yeah i played it unmodded, although it is nice with mods its a way better experience

[finite yarrow]

I uhhh...cant mod mine. Almost fell on my ass because i turned on all the smooth movement and bumped my stick

[leaden ruin]

how is that? or are you not on pc?

[finite yarrow]

As far as discord tos is concerned, my copy of the game has online disabled

[leaden ruin]

bruh pirated can still be modded...

[finite yarrow]

Every page i found said it couldnt. Im open to learning otherwise

But that may have been referring to creation club specificly

[leaden ruin]

why wouldn't it? you are just adding files to the game. bethesda themselves don't lock the game from mods since they can't

[leaden ruin]

yes..

just look up how to mod skyrim vr on youtube

[finite yarrow]

For sure. Didnt even try because i wasnt thinking about manually modding. Still in the "honeymoon phase" of my first headset, learning how it all works

[wise crescent]

I'm one of those who turns them on because snapturning and teleporting is incredibly annoying lol

[leaden ruin]

i always play on smooth walking and turning

like sure after like 2 hours i can get nauseous but usually i don't play for very long

[finite yarrow]

Yea id rather get a lil motion sick and need a break then deal with how clunky that feels

[leaden ruin]

i did have that one time i almost threw up because my controller was empty of charge while i was turning and the game kept turning but i tried turning it on again thinking it just disconnected or something and the game just kept spinning until after like 10-12 seconds i put the headset down

[gusty sinew]

does anyone know why as soon as i go in any vr game my screen is glitching and teleporting everywhere if i move slightly?

If i'm in oculus home its completely fine "through link" but when I go into any game through oculus or steam vr my screen just starts glitching ang being all jumpy

[haughty thistle]

Sounds like there's not enough resources available to run both the game and the encoder...

[gusty sinew]

Figured it was my cord..

[harsh niche]

Try airlink see if the same thing happens

there might be other problems with it but it’s worth a shot to narrow it down

[gusty sinew]

Alr

might be my pc actually since its fine when in link home but once i open a game it glitches, ill try with airlink

[gusty sinew]

tried it a gain with both airlink and link and its fine now

i added a fan curve

it was pretty hot yesterday too so maybe it was overheating a bit?

nevermind.

Its actually still jittery and glitchy with the link cable, and ive tried two different cables so far

the ports on my pc look fine

Here’s how the headset port looks

[gusty sinew]

yeah idk, it isnt my gpu because it performs fine in regular games and no glitching or anything like that, the usb ports look fine so its probably just my cable, even though it looks completely fine and this randomly started happening out of nowhere

this is what ya get for $299 🤷

[finite yarrow]

Facebook charges wayyyy to much for those cables. Saw one at Walmart and my jaw dropped

[haughty thistle]

Not really... The converters for fiber optical cables are just that expensive

They could in theory offer like a 10m cable for like 5-10 bucks more. But they can't really go lower then that...

Linus talked about this before, but can't remember in what video he mentioned it (likely the one where he showed off the 50m Corning Thunderbolt cable)

[carmine wharf]

honestly the oculus link cable is awesome

Would never buy one tho

[atomic walrus]

Does the oculus desktop app warn you about using USB 3? Sounds similar to a problem I had

[civic coyote]

I bought the Valve index, but I overlooked something unfortunately. Is there really no way to use them with glasses?

[atomic walrus]

https://vroptician.com/prescription-lens-inserts/valve-index
I've never used something like this but there are lots of solutions

[civic coyote]

I can't use those. I have an eye OP in 2~3 months, so buying new glass would be an incredible waste of money 😦

[atomic walrus]

I know people who use glasses with no issues

[civic coyote]

I tried but I can't even have both glasses and the headset on at the same time and there's no tutorials on how to do it.

There's simply not enough space :?

[leaden ruin]

i can use them with my rift s does the index have a small hole for your eyes?

like do you have big glasses?

[civic coyote]

Not particularly, no

[civic coyote]

yes, like that

[atomic walrus]

https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=valve+index+glasses&page=1&type=things&sort=relevant
There's also 3D printed solutions. Surely something like this is on sale somewhere

Gaben wears glasses. No way they're entirely incompatible

[leaden ruin]

yeah

could always look into getting lenses

[civic coyote]

no then I would have even less space

[leaden ruin]

but those are also something you need to get used too

[civic coyote]

It already doesn't fit with the glasses

I'm probably doing something wrong lol

But it seems there's no help on the internet

[leaden ruin]

i have glasses for at internship and lenses for at home or school

[atomic walrus]

I bet if you got third-party padding that adds extra space, you could make it work

[leaden ruin]

yeah

but its like one of the high end headsets

no way they don't support using glasses

my rift s has a button you can push where you can push the hmd forward and backward so it fits with your glasses

[civic coyote]

The index doesn't seem to have one. And it will try to keep its entire weight holding pressed on the glasses. I can't keep the headset up. I'd have to make the back thing tight but then the lenses push my glasses into my skin 😦

[atomic walrus]

....buy new glasses

[leaden ruin]

if you have glasses like mine im sure it should just fit

[atomic walrus]

Look into third-party padding. Some add more space

[civic coyote]

Any padding would reduce space, not add it :/

[atomic walrus]

Thicc padding would move the headset farther from your face

[civic coyote]

hm

[atomic walrus]

You're not totally screwed here

[leaden ruin]

excuse the wind noise i have a fan because its hot here

[civic coyote]

thanks for the video. It does look similar on mine but I guess the .5~1cm that's missing is the problem I'm facing.

[leaden ruin]

mmmhh

i guess the index is more nose heavy?

mine is more top of head/back of head heavy

usually i put it quite tight

[civic coyote]

hm, I actually somehow managed to pull it a bit more out now, dunno how

[leaden ruin]

well i would assume it can move forward and backward a bit

[civic coyote]

ah now I got it, there's a mechanism where you can push one of the buttons and rotate it which then moves it forwards and backwards...

[atomic walrus]

ayyy

[leaden ruin]

nice

[haughty thistle]

I just checked in, and reading the messages made me wonder if you just hadn't discovered the lens adjustment mechanism yet, or were unwilling to move the lenses out. But I guess you figured that out on your own xD

Considering, how big of a marketing point this is for the Index, I (and Valve probably too) assumed that anyone with glasses would just push the lenses out all the way and leave it at that...

[gloomy crater]

yeah I was gonna say, I can't remember if they also include a spacer to sandwich behind the facial interface to add more space in addition to the adjustment knob, since I got mine used.

[haughty thistle]

No they don't, but the lens adjustment range is wide enough to accompany pretty much 99% of glasses. Mine do stick quite a bit out (I'd guess way more then the average, as they are too close for comfort on Oculus HMDs with the glasses spacer!), and there was plenty of space between my glasses and the Index lenses at maximum detent...

[gusty sinew]

No, it doesnt

[white sluice]

quick questions

is buying a used oculus safe?

are quests perma bound to a facebook account?

[simple grove]

always buyer beware. make sure to demo it before buying. but they're not bound to an account. You sign in to whatever account you want to use

if it's already logged into one just factory reset it