virtual-reality

[high cipher]

Check how much are the Anker cables @burnt vault

[tawdry dove]

Yeah

Anker cables can be got at around 3 meters for very cheap

[high cipher]

Also VRCover cables have high ratings but they might be a bit more expensive than Anker

[flint ridge]

Anyone think a 3050 could run low end vr

[tawdry dove]

It has the perf but the vram is kinda lacking

[burnt vault]

Am I correct that playing over a cable will keep it charged, or just draining very slowly?

[tawdry dove]

You could run a good few

[tawdry dove]

I've heard cases of it draining slowly and of it staying charged

Either way shouldn't matter as long as you start out charged

[high cipher]

I'm on a 1070 so i'm pretty sure you are going to be ok

[burnt vault]

Any other benefits to a cable? I'm using a 3080.

[tawdry dove]

Generally cable will give you higher fidelity and much lower latency unless you have a wifi 6 router

[high cipher]

And movies will look glorious in VR, on my old 1070 they look pretty damn amazing, let alone 3080

[burnt vault]

Sweeeet

[tawdry dove]

I would suggest using a headset that is not a quest in the future if you want to go full pcvr

The quest has to have the signal compressed before it gets sent so it's going to look inferior to any other pcvr headset, especially with a 3080

[high cipher]

Got myself a wifi6 router and now airlink doesn't want to work 😄

[burnt vault]

I will some day, but not a fan of the current options and prices. I was using a CV1, but my buddy needs it back (was borrowing).

[high cipher]

If you can afford it then maybe go for a Pimax one and get the price off on the upcoming Pimax REality 12k

I know they have a bit of a reputation but they would not keep innovating if they wouldn't intend to be a major player in VR

[jagged token]

can you get modded beat saber on the quest 2 without it having to be plugged in?

[burnt vault]

Over air link or virtual desktop, yes.

[tawdry dove]

Yes

[jagged token]

ahh ok thanks

[tawdry dove]

You can download an app to mod beatsaber on quest standalone

[jagged token]

oh, what is it called?

[lean notch]

There is the PC app called side quest

Otherwise just discord and vc file installer with BMBF installed. And the older beatsaber version of needed

[gloomy crater]

Ok. What's the lowest end GPU one would consider using for decent performance in VR chat? One of my old friends from high school is doing a budget system and I agreed to help him go used marketplace shopping for GPUs, and VRC is one of his game requirements. Right now I've found a listing for a vega 56 on offerup, but I'm gonna keep looking for other stuff in the meantime just in case

[weak bluff]

do you consider 40fps decent?

different people tolerate motion sickness differently

consider resolution as well

For Quest 2 at lowest Oculus settings at 40fps I got around 30-50 fps with GTX 1050Ti which I do get sick

[gloomy crater]

The lowest end card I've gotten usable performance on VRC out of in the past was an RX480. But I was hoping for good, not just usable

[weak bluff]

then you must opt like RTX 3070

[gloomy crater]

Funnily enough, I just traded my 3070. I do have a spare 5700XT lying around, but I have a sentimental attachment to it so I'd rather not sell it if I don't have to, even to a friend

[weak bluff]

then it will work just fine

[small scarab]

1660 tbh

I have the 1660 super and it's almost bare minimum of being able to have every avatar on lol

[gloomy crater]

Damn. He's got a $700 budget, which means he can't really spend more than $200 on a GPU. Back in the day, that would easily get him a GTX 1070, but nowadays it probably wouldn't even get him a 1050ti. I guess we'll have to either keep looking for hold out for a miracle card to pop up

[rapid otter]

I think it's cool for streaming but i think it could be useful in games directly to make depth of field effects, looking at you gun the rest is blurry and looking at the rest the gun is blurry kind of thing. Also in games like Boneworks and HLVR to select an object to grab in the distance you have to align you view with your hand to the object but with eye tracking it could be done without having to physically move your head

[rustic rivet]

anybody got some tips for streaming pcvr

[rapid otter]

He need to spend more on the gpu even if it mean saving on other things

[rapid otter]

Be a bit more precise

[rustic rivet]

Like how can I still interact with chat and play

[haughty thistle]

Or in Social VR applications like VRChat it could be used for a more Realistic Eye movements. Although, I did check the Varjo SDK and it looks like they're not giving precise information on how far up/down the eye lid is. It's either open or close according to their SDK :/

[haughty thistle]

For chat interaction in VR I usually pop-out my Twitch chat and then pin it to my hand with OVR Toolkit. That way I can always just check my wrist to see what the Chat is up to. Since the Alert Box in the stream plays a sound anyways, I can always just check once I heard a sound to figure out what and who

[rustic rivet]

where is ovr toolkit

[haughty thistle]

OVR Toolkit is a paid VR overlay app in Stream. You can alternatively use the SteamVR Window pinning to achieve the same effect for free (although I think the window doesn't auto-hide with the SteamVR build-in window pinning)

[rapid otter]

I guess it's limitations of the hardware, and i don't think it can pick up blinking as it's very fats

[haughty thistle]

The pickup frequency of the Varjo Eye Tracking on their 3rd Generation HMDs (VR-3, XR-3, Aero) is 200Hz. In comparison the Pimax Eye Tracking module runs at 118Hz (if plugged in directly into the Motherboard, as the Type-C ports on Pimax HMDs is USB 2.0 only) and the Vive Pro Eye sensor runs at 120Hz. It's not a question of whether or not it can pick up the user blinking, but more like winking/half-winks that make the eye tracking more realistic, which is what the Pro Eye does support. The Pro Eye can also pick up when you squeeze your eyes, but I think that's just some Tobii Eye Tracking magic going on there...

You can approximate winks by reading the eye tracking status for each eye, and checking if Varjo currently can track the eye or not, but where this get's tricky is when Varjo reports they eye to be in a saccade or blinking. The other statuses are pretty clear though: Eye shut, bad tracking quality and tracking

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/yPNn-jwAC9c

https://blog.playstation.com/2022/01/04/playstation-vr2-and-playstation-vr2-sense-controller-the-next-generation-of-vr-gaming-on-ps5/

[pale orbit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/733586743550541896/928218291279900742/Screen-Shot-2022-01-04-at-8-43-14-PM.png?width=912&height=769

[haughty thistle]

So the PSVR 2 is going to be the first consumer application for Foveated rendering then? I can't imagine any other application (other then ads) that Sony may had in mind with the eye tracking...

The social aspects of eye tracking are nieche and certainly not what you'd be running on a game console

[tawdry dove]

Looking at ebay in my region an r9 290 might his best option

[haughty thistle]

200 series AMD cards aren't supported by Oculus, and probably a bit too old for VR in general :/

[tawdry dove]

There isn't much you can get in general

[haughty thistle]

True

[tawdry dove]

I don't think he can get anything with enough vram or recent enough at all

[haughty thistle]

True...

[rapid otter]

I think it would be better to save up and wait even if it's not fun

I love the best in class from sony's adds like they aren't competing with anyone else on this market

[rapid otter]

Yep you are right !

[rapid otter]

Foveated rendering is used on quest 2 in certain apps

Like onward

[haughty thistle]

The Quest 2 is using Fixed Foveated rendering, which can become quite apparent if you move just your eyes around. With Eye Tracking, you can do proper Foveated rendering, where only the part your eyes can see at max detail is actually rendered at native res. It's seemless and saves tons of performance

I tried the Foveated rendering on the Pimax in their "Workspace" environment (currently the only App I have that supports it), and yeah. It looks like it's rendering it at native res, but looking at a recording of the entire FOV, it becomes apparent that what I'm not looking at is quite blurry

[gloomy crater]

So uh, I feel kinda dumb now. I never actually asked him in the entire time we were doing this whether he actually wanted to play VRC in VR or not.

He doesn't even own a headset.

[gloomy crater]

I did however manage to find an R9 390 for $275 while looking around. He said me might still just get a good GPU in case he does wanna play in VR in the future, so would that card suffice? edit: I've also been told to consider a 980ti

[haughty thistle]

I think the oldest AMD cards to be supported by Oculus are the RX 400 cards. 300-Series isn't supported afaik. So as long as he's not intending to go with any Oculus gear, that card should be fine

[flat pawn]

If a 980Ti is comparable to a 1060 or 1070 then it should be okay

[tawdry dove]

A 980ti will do fine

[tawdry dove]

I think it's about a 1060ti

Last time I checked was over a year ago so that may have changed

[rapid otter]

When I get back after playing VR for a long time I can't focus my eyes properly unless i force it, and it goes away pretty quick like 10 minutes

Does it happens to you too ?

I tried into the radius and well it's strange

The atmosphere is great, it feels cold and desolated

There's a lot going on in the first hour to understand wich can be pretty complicated for new users

The controls aren't bad but they could be better 😐

What's striking is the difference between games it's always hard when coming from other games

They all have different way to reload guns, pick objects, open the inventory ect ect. All of the ways aren't bad but seing some uniformisation would be a good thing.

I always like to take my dad as and example since he doesn't play often, well when he switch to another game he kinda struggles to understand completely different controls from the ones he already took time to get ...

[tawdry dove]

How long are you playing for?

After 4 hours I don't experience it at all

[rapid otter]

Hour and a half

[flat pawn]

Things will naturally become more uniform once a "best" way is found, I think

And even then it will still vary depending on the type of game

There's so many more methods to do simple things in VR

vs just pressing a button

[harsh niche]

Tell me if it works

I gave someone my code and they didn’t give either of us money

And I tried giving it to someone else and it said “this account has already been used” even though there’s like 5 people per month you can give it to

apparently this is a common thing… kinda scammy

[candid bluff]

never understood why but games like these I always end up getting addicted too I've been playing into the radius recently and I've spent like 16 hours in the past week on the game the atmosphere and being isolated gives me this weirdly warm feeling that I don't feel anywhere else

[rapid otter]

Sale in saint and sinners this desolation feel is nice

Smoking cigarettes watching the empty streets of any human life is such a vibe

[burnt vault]

Oof, finally set up my Quest 2 just now, and Air Link doesn't work for shit with Comcast's white tower of fancy Apple-inspired BS modem router combo. Shit is likely forced onto 2.4Ghz (any way to check?) and can't be changed anymore because Comcast knows best.

[peak coral]

you can get an app for your phone that scans your network. Should tell you what your wifi is broadcasting at. I dont know if your IOS/Android so I cant say what app to get. Just some sort of wifi analyzer.

[burnt vault]

I just got into the router, and it actually shows the Quest on 5Ghz...

So now I'm stumped as to why it ran like complete ass.

It wasn't remotely usable.

[burnt vault]

Is there any world where virtual desktop works better than airlink, like, significantly better?
Airlink definitely isn't working on this Xfinity modem / router combo, despite 5Ghz connection and not too much noise in the area.

If virtual desktop doesn't work, not sure if I want to do a new modem / router (would lower my monthly cost, and not be a pile of crap), or get a nice cable to link to my PC directly (they're so damn expensive though).

[thorny ferry]

Modem/router rentals are both a scam and terrible. I would recommend upgrading either way

That said some people do have better results with VD and its only 20 bucks

[burnt vault]

Do they have a refund policy if it doesn't work for me within the first 10 minutes?

I think I will get a modem and router. I don't have any issues with mine now, but I want to get into streaming, and I suspect I'll have a better time there too.

[harsh niche]

Yes

I was just looking at some games on the oculus app on my phone and it is the same as steam

2 hours played or 2 weeks owned

[burnt vault]

Awesome, I'll give that a go.

If that doesn't work, I'll have to dive into the rabbit hole of modems and routers.

I confirmed I'm on 5Ghz, and PC is 5900x / 3080, with a cat 6a Ethernet connection. My only guess is it's the xfinity modem / router combo screwing me.

It really felt like a bandwidth or latency issue, as simply turning my head an inch would lag, where as if I stayed super still, Beat Saber ALMOST worked haha

[gloomy crater]

So the friend I was helping decided to just get a 5600G based system to play TF2, Minecraft, and League on while he waits for GPU prices to come down. I asked him why he suddenly decided not to buy a 980ti like we planned and he responded 'I took the money I was going to use to buy the graphics card and spent it on a Quest 2'

Which still leaves him like $100 short of even being able to buy a computer at all because he didn't know the difference in price between the two systems we had planned didn't just come down to the GPU, but the fact that the 5600G is like twice the price of the CPU we had planned. So now he has a Quest 2 and no computer : (

[thorny ferry]

Worth

If he enjoys vr q2 has enough games and experiences to tide him over

Speaking of does that re4 mercenaries update have a release date?

[burnt vault]

Virtual Desktop worked better than AirLink, but it was still a mess.

Oye

[harsh niche]

You can get a good router for like $150

[burnt vault]

I'll need a modem to go with, as I don't want to bother with renting from Comcast at all.

Open to any recommendations, as the only ones I've seen are the Nighthawk series at Costco, haven't looked into routers in forever.

[potent raptor]

Hello people, I got a Rift S the other day and I'm loving it so far my only problem, not really related to the headset itself, is that my nose has a lot of pressure on it and I want to buy or find something to provide that cushioning its not me wearing the headset wrong and its not its fault its just the shape of my nose lol... any suggestions? The only "rift s nose pads" I can see online are for light leakage and the headset already has one installed, its not very helpful for comfort.

Thanks

[weak bluff]

you might be able to DIY a cusion for it

[harsh niche]

Wait you have to pay for your modem?

I thought it was standard to be free

[weak bluff]

many ISP offer free modem dependinmg on deals

but if the included modem is not good enough then you might want to buy new one

[rapid otter]

Nah for half of this you can get something good, got my Asus AX 55 for 85 bucks

[rapid otter]

You don't need a new modem

[weak bluff]

I got Xiaomi router for $10 and it rocks (as long not too many people connect it at same time)

[rapid otter]

I had this issue before on my quest die to a nose injury, well you can get a spacer for the facial interface it will reduce the change of the nose touching (at least on q2). Also try to put the headset tight on your head ...

[rapid otter]

Yeah but i wanted something with a good quality and I'm very happy of it, i also needed a rather powerful set of antennas since I'm playing in a different room

[weak bluff]

then max out wifi 6 on 5Ghz

any wifi router in that spec is already overkill

[potent raptor]

Tighter makes it worse for me.
I've found a makeshift solution for now

[rapid otter]

Which is ?

[forest falcon]

Anyone there now

[rapid otter]

Yeah@forest falcon

Need any help ?

[forest falcon]

yes

So Skyrim VR what should I install

On Quest actually

[rapid otter]

Can you elaborate pls

You can't install Skyrim VR on quest natively, only if you use a PC

@forest falcon

[haughty thistle]

Sorry for brining up this "old" topic, but it can also often be that the Router just has too many Wifi devices connected. Since Wifi is a shared medium, your best bet is to have a dedicated router/AP just for Air Link/VD

Just in case VD doesn't fix it, I figured I should mention it ^^

[forest falcon]

Steam lol then

[forest falcon]

@OCBTOMI?

Still there man

[rapid otter]

Yeah

@forest falcon

[rapid otter]

I don't know much about Skyrim

But i can recommend this
https://youtu.be/W2cmC4cOFNQ

[hollow verge]

Does anyone know how to bind twitch chat or spotify to a controller like this:

Where you look at the palm of your hand and it appears

[haughty thistle]

OVR Toolkit is what I'm using. Used the pop-out chat on Twitch, bound the window with OVR Toolkit to my hand, pinned it (so that it would show, even when hiding all the other windows) and enabled the option to only show the window when looking at it from a certain angle range

[hollow verge]

Thx man

[burnt vault]

It must just be too many devices, or too much noise (apartment building with only 5 other units though). Virtual Desktop was a tad better, but still unplayable.

Xfinity charges like $14 / month to rent the modem / router combo. It's a small apartment, so I don't need anything crazy, but I'm fine with spending a bit on something nice since I stream too. I could get just a router, but I'd rather do modem too so I can ditch the rental fee.

[haughty thistle]

Either way, you probably wanna buy a dedicated AP for Air Link/VD then... Too much noise is only really a problem if you have like tons of Mesh APs lying around all turned on....

[burnt vault]

None here, and very unlikely with neighbors (they're old and not techy).

I wish there was a way to isolate why it's not working, as I feel I have all the pieces. My only guess is too much activity / latency on the same device. The reality is though, I have 3 Google home minis, my phone, a tablet (off), and my PC - that doesn't seem like too much.

[haughty thistle]

In my home, just 2 phones, a tablet and maybe a Laptop was enough to make things unplayable on VD. And the router we use here is the top-of-the-line AVM router, so this clearly is an issue with how Wifi handles multiple devices

[burnt vault]

Damn, so even buying a $150~ router wouldn't resolve the issue, as long as it's not dedicated?

I turned on performance metrics in VD, this is what I got.

I put the graphics on ultra just to see how it went, didn't really make a difference.

I'm not positive, but isn't that latency the culprit? 1000 / 41~ comes out to 24~, and that 41 latency was hitting as high as 50's or so.

[haughty thistle]

That's actually a pretty decent latency. Whenever I use VD with my dedicated router I get about 60ms latency. The latency doesn't affect the framerate much actually. With the Quest it's more of a, how much time did pass since the frame started rendering.
I think what happens is that some frames just take much longer to transfer then others due to the Router being busy with sending data to other devices, clogging up the line. If there are no other devices that could communicate with the Router, there's nothing to get in the way of the Air Link/VD video stream and you should be getting a smooth framerate

[burnt vault]

I wonder if I could try putting every other device on 2.4Ghz

And leaving 5 just for the Quest

Not sure if Xfinity will let me do that, since they blocked so much shit now on this new ARRIS GROUP, INC. TG4482A device.

[haughty thistle]

It may help, depending on how the router handles the data-streams internally...

I'm not an expert on network switching, but I can imagine that some cheaper routers and APs just have one Wifi backbone that handles all Wifi transfers, and then splits them out into 5GHz and 2.4GHz (aka not just shared medium for each frequency, but shared across all Wifi). With such a router, you're best off throwing it out the window tbh... (like those Gigabit switches who's backplane can barely handle 1GBit/s)

[burnt vault]

That makes sense, and I wouldn't be surprised either.

From my limited reading, I think a tri-band or dual band wifi 6 router would do the job. Tri bands have 2 5Ghz, and people have dedicated a single band just for the Quest, with it actually mattering internally.

Nothing in this house requires 5Ghz that I can think of (I'm the only power user, with a direct connection via cat 6a), so either way, as long as it actually let's me decide what's on what, and I can give a dedicated connection, it should work.

[haughty thistle]

I honestly don't know what kind the Fritzbox 7490 (what I currently use as a dedicated AP) and the 7590 (current main router) have internally. But yeah, like I said, just a couple devices made VD unplayable on those...

[burnt vault]

So much for buying this and jumping right back into it haha

My buddy was lending me his CV1 for the last year, wants it back in February - glad I got the Quest now so I can sort this before then.

I drive myself nuts over-researching tech, and a router isn't about to be an easy choice, since it seems every router in existence has a fair amount of bitching and moaning in the reviews. That's why I'm leaning towards Costco - if it gives me any trouble at all, even 6 months later, I can just return it.

They have some seemingly good deals right now too.

[haughty thistle]

Whatever works, works tbh

[burnt vault]

I hate spending north of $100 on tech when I'm not fully aware of what I'm getting.

I usually know exactly what I'm buying, networking gear is not that.

[haughty thistle]

I didn't really care what I used as my dedicated AP for VD. My mom just happened to upgrade the main router in our home, so what I'm currently using was basically a hand-me-down xD
Not without it's problems naturally. As it's a Router and not an AP, it always creates it's own NAT when running it in "AP mode" with own IP address space and everything. Internet Access works, but VD bitches about how the PC is "not in the same network"...

[burnt vault]

I don't have a ton of space physically, so the current location of the modem / router combo isn't really fit for a ton of devices in the area.

[haughty thistle]

You can save some money by not buying a full-on router and instead getting just an Access Point (usually, dunno the current prices on those). An Access Point is basically just the Wifi part of a router...

[burnt vault]

My desk is too small as it is (waiting for Ikea to have shit in stock so I can drive 3.5 hours to get it), and I have another 27'' 1440p monitor sitting in the box waiting for more desk space.

[haughty thistle]

APs are also usually smaller then a full router would be

But you'd have to check what works for your obviously

[burnt vault]

Yeah, the trial and error is real.

[haughty thistle]

Order on Amazon, 30 day return period goes brrr xD

[burnt vault]

How would an AP solve this with the current modem / router combo?

Wouldn't the AP just send the data to the same queue?

(assuming this shit modem / router combo is just one messy queue, with no priority)

[haughty thistle]

Nope. You'd connect your Quest to the AP, the AP then goes to the same switch your PC is connected to (be that your router). The Problem in your case is that the Wifi is clogged up, so giving the Quest it's own Wifi channel to communicate into the network should solve much of your issue

It did for me (and a number of others too)

[burnt vault]

Oh, so the AP is wired into the modem / router?

So single wifi AP for quest, and that signal is then wired?

[haughty thistle]

Basically yeah

The Router doesn't do it any other way, except with a lot more other stuff integrated (network switch for the multiple LAN ports, Modem for the ISP communication, Router for controlling network data flow, DNS for handling local names, DHCP for giving out IP addresses automatically, etc.)

[haughty thistle]

On another note: FOV time!
I finally got myself to buy TestHMD to properly generate actual FOV numbers for the HMDs I own. Apparently, the Varjo does offer an FOV wider then the Oculus HMDs or the Reverb G2, but it's the least tallest by far with the Vive Pro 2 being next in line.
You can see the data for yourself: https://imgur.com/a/aBD0EBi

Keep in mind that these results are for my particular faceshape and how I have set up the HMDs. I should also mention that all HMDs but the Varjo were used with Lens inserts, which, according to at least one video I've seen, can increase the FOV in some cases. I'll proof or disproof that theory once lens inserts are available for the Varjo...

[peak coral]

Bought the Quest 2, got it Sunday. I have since ordered the battery strap headset, the case, gotten better headphones, straps for the hand controllers, bump guards for the tops of them, and printed out a graphic to put on the front of my headset. I may have lost control.

[burnt vault]

I realized that my PC has an Intel AX200 wifi 6 network card, so I tried to turn my PC into a hotspot for dedicated wifi. Since the PC is connected via ethernet, I assumed it would be the same as having a dedicated side router. Worked better for AirLink and Virtual Desktop, but still completely unstable. Solid for 10-30 seconds at a time, then a complete mess once more 😦

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, hotspot functionality is rather messy and can often lead to more problems then running on the main router with multiple devices connected...

[burnt vault]

Did quite a bit of talking on a VR server today, and got a lot of advice.

It was still very suggested I get a dedicated router, specifically the RT-AX55 - https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-AX1800-WiFi-Router-RT-AX55/dp/B08J6CFM39

I think I'll try getting that, and putting everything on 2.4Ghz, and the Quest on 5Ghz, just to see how things work.

Worst-case, I just end up using it as an expensive dedicated router.

[restive ivy]

Will we ever get anything like hdr in vr headsets?

Would love to see a vr using qdoled

[pale orbit]

psvr 2 is oled and has hdr

[signal snow]

i just sideloaded on my quest 2 for the first time and i put on the headset before unplugging the cord and it straight up felt like something out of cyberpunk 2077 lol, unplugging myself from the dark web.

[haughty thistle]

There were at least two HMDs announced at CES this year with HDR:

• Sony PSVR2
• Shiftall (Panasonic) MeganX

Both using some form of OLED

[wild geyser]

Do you think a rtx 2070 super is good enough to play games like Bondeworks or half life alyx on medium settings?

[haughty thistle]

Depends on the HMD...
What headset you're running/want to run?

[wild geyser]

I'm going to get an oculus quest 2

[haughty thistle]

Should be fine then ^^

[wild geyser]

cool thank you cant wait for it 🙂

[rapid otter]

It's mostly about the resolution but it will be fine don't worry

Especially for HLVR wich runs really consistently

[wild geyser]

ok thanks for the answer then i will get one and enjoy it👍 🙂

[haughty thistle]

HL:A scales the render resolution automatically based on the performance of your rig to keep a consistent framerate. You don't even have to think about adjusting the render res for that game 😉

(other games you'd have to fiddle around yourself, but the 2070 should be plenty fast for most games)

[rapid otter]

Ho and for Boneworks you need a good CPU, what's yours ?

[rapid otter]

2070 super that's even better

[wild geyser]

i have a 9 5900x

[rapid otter]

Well it's perfect

[wild geyser]

nice👍

[rapid otter]

It's pretty CPU intensive but you have one beast of a CPU

[snow steeple]

Hey all - looking to buy Vive Base Station 2.0

Does anyone know why they're like always out of stock?

[snow steeple]

How is Boneworks? Humble bundle has it on sale.l

[gleaming grotto]

Hi guys I need some help please asap

Getting this error message on wmr when using hp reverb G2 specs are i9 3080ti so that shouldn't be a problem but Google has offered no support with that error code

[haughty thistle]

Hmm...

I've never seen an error code like that before...

Usually it's 1-2 digits both infront and behind the dash...

It could possibly be a corrupted installation of either the WMR runtime or Windows intself, but I'm just guessing here...

[haughty thistle]

I don't know about the US, but they're currently in-stock in Europe. Usually they come into stock ever so often and then sell out pretty quickly. You just gotta have to keep an eye on them, unfortunately. If you can't wait and need 2.0 lighthouses, HTC also sells them for about 40 bucks more retail. If all you're looking for are a pair of lighthouses for using Index controllers with like a Reverb G2 or Quest, or of Fullbody tracking, then you can just as well get HTCs 1.0 lighthouses, which are like 10 bucks cheaper then Valve's 2.0 lighthouses and work just as well. The only benefit 2.0s give you is the ability to use more then 2 lighthouses for a playspace (which in turn can give you better blindspot coverage and allows for larger playspaces)

[gleaming grotto]

@haughty thistle hi man yeah it's a weird code how can I fix a corrupted windows

[haughty thistle]

By reinstalling it? I think there are some built in tools for troubleshooting, but they're not always helpful and I don't know them of the top of my head

[gleaming grotto]

Ok will that compromise files and stuff

Or will they stay put

[formal willow]

its like the best vr game

[snow steeple]

@haughty thistle Yeah so I have 1.0s form my OG Vive. I am fine, I am working. But was thinking of doing 3 or 4 stations for more good.

[gleaming grotto]

@haughty thistle do it need wmr or is there other apps I can use

[haughty thistle]

You won't improve the tracking quality by using more then 2 lighthouses. Like I said, it helps with blind-spot elimination (like let's say you keep occluding your hip tracker while doing Fullbody), but that's really it. You'd also need to switch all your lighthouses to 2.0. Lastly, if you're using black Vive Wands, gray-logo Vive Trackers or an OG Vive, 2.0 lighthouses will not function with those

[haughty thistle]

Yes. The Reverb G2 requires WMR portal to be installed and running (as that's what tracks the HMD). I think you can uninstall just the WMR runtime in the Windows settings. Try that first before attempting a full-reinstall

[gleaming grotto]

Tried that and tried new windows

Got rid of all win.old aswell

[haughty thistle]

Also, in case you're running Windows 11, that might also be the culprit. Heard a lot of issues with VR on Win11

[gleaming grotto]

Nope win 10 pro

Fully activated

And up to date as of 5 mins ago

[haughty thistle]

Huh...

[gleaming grotto]

It's very strange

[haughty thistle]

Did it ever work before?

[gleaming grotto]

First time using it tried on another oc before but it didn't meet min requirements so now a brand new pc and first time trying it

@haughty thistle

[haughty thistle]

Huh...

And you have everything plugged in? Power, USB (3.0) and DisplayPort (into the GPU)

[gleaming grotto]

Yep

Tried multiple different slots

Tried the usb into a usb port then tried without the adapter into the usb c port on the mobo

[gleaming grotto]

.

[snow steeple]

@haughty thistle I do have blind spots because of my layout and sometimes the housings lose optical sync.

I also have Index Controllers coming tomorrow

[gleaming grotto]

@haughty thistle

[haughty thistle]

I already said that I'm just guessing at this point. I'm not your personal troubleshooter >.>

[haughty thistle]

The issues with the optical sync can be fixed by using a really long 3.5mm audio cable. But I can understand why. The Index controllers are 2.0 ready. Just make sure your HMD is too. You can have different generations of Lighthouses running in the same room at the same time (once had that happen while demoing my old Vive for Sale, HMD just flew off like the trackers usually do when they loose tracking)

[bleak vapor]

with an i5 6600, gtx 1660 super and 24gb of 2133mhz ram should i be able to run half-life alyx on my oculus quest 2 with a link cable decently?

[cedar kraken]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721740133640044586/929173258677395456/20220107_184019.mp4

I've used my Index for 85 hours and this happened

(The static, not the dark/light flashing; that's just the refresh rate and framerate doing weird stuff)

[weak bluff]

that cpu could be better but yeah it can run

[pale orbit]

https://twitter.com/wccftech/status/1479060946089697282

Wccftech (@wccftech)

Half-Life: Alyx May Be Coming to PSVR 2 – Rumor https://t.co/pLKpE4c90F

Twitter · Jan 6, 2022, 12:03 PM

[weak bluff]

so valve are gonna release a game on Playstation first time since 2012 on PS3

[pale orbit]

well at least the ps5 should be easily capable of it

[bleak vapor]

what downfalls could there be from the cpu not being better

[weak bluff]

i ran HLA on my Core i3-9100F which is faster than yours

issue is too little threads probably

i get random loading screen mid game

and no if its GPU issue my frame would drop but I got loading screen mid game instead

which btw i was not able to fully ultilize GPU as well

so I say there was some CPU bottleneck

[bleak vapor]

i think i have a friend with basically the same cpu as mine and he's played hl alyx, i'll go ask him

and do you think there's going to be any downfalls from using a quest 2 with a link cable?

[weak bluff]

no

link cable is best way

[bleak vapor]

alr

my friend says it won't run at all

[weak bluff]

it is compatible it must be software issue

[bleak vapor]

do you think maybe if i have the game on low settings, it could run decently?

like without the loading screen issue you have

[weak bluff]

yes

with that cpu uuuh

no

unlikely

[bleak vapor]

alr

[weak bluff]

recently I upgraded my CPU so i should conclude if its 100% CPU issue which probably is

[bleak vapor]

k

ig i might try upgrading my pc in a year or two if i can get a part time job by then

[weak bluff]

there arent that many good cpu for LGA1151v1 unfortunately so you might upgrade motherboard as well

[bleak vapor]

yeah, i have looked into it a little bit before

the newest component in this pc is the gpu and that's from idk 2020 in july or smt

and i think afaik i added 16gb of ram in 2020 october

the rest of the pc is from 2016

[haughty thistle]

That my friend, is how a dying Index cable looks like. It's probably kinked somewhere and that's what's causing the interference.
If you're using a Pully system without extra clips on the back for strain relief, then that's probably where it kinked and if you don't have a Pully System, then it's most likely between where the cable comes out of the HMD and where it clips to the side of the headstrap (super tight bend radius if you move the headstrap up, can quickly bork an Index cable).
So like I already mentioned, the best "fix" to not make that happen again with a pully system is to add extra clips to the back of the HMD to make sure the cable has a bit of a wider bend radius (doesn't help always, the cable is still under more stress then laying on the floor, but it does already massively help).
If you're not using a pully system and the cable is borked where it comes out of the HMD, then the best way to prevent that from happening again is to just not move the strap up...

Keep in mind that any sort of kink in the cable can cause this (I've heard of people who accidentally ran over their cable with their chair and it was borked afterwards). These are just the two most common ways of how the Index cable breaks

[rapid otter]

My man it's so good, i love this game ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[rapid otter]

I don't know a lot about the index but it could be graphical artifacts coming from your gpu...
Did it happened after a driver update, try reinstalling or updating them
Is it overclocked, if yes then reverse it back.

The issue is certainly what CB said but why not try those easy fixes

[rapid otter]

You have 16 hours into the radius could you help me ?
So what is the food for i don't see any hunger bar, what about the sleep i don't see it coming down ...
I am at the beginning around two hours

Thanks you

[karmic pollen]

Does anyone here use an OG Frankenquest? Is it worth it? I’ve been looking at modding mine since doing any sim racing longer than 15 mins is basically impossible as it’s very uncomfortable.

Ill get a newer headset in the future but the quest still works perfectly fine for me so I don’t see a reason to replace it

[rapid otter]

I don't think it's worth it really

You should just get a good head strap

I use this one

https://www.amazon.fr/Remplacement-Réduisez-Pression-Confortable-Accessoires/dp/B08LYKJ1PS/ref=asc_df_B08LYKJ1PS/?tag=googshopfr-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=466568067054&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12398463878841253826&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9111562&hvtargid=pla-1001631829619&psc=1

And I'm really happy about it

[karmic pollen]

Does it work with the quest 1

[rapid otter]

Pretty sure it doesn't

I assumed you had a quest 2 since most people have it

[rapid otter]

I can't really help you

But you should find YouTube videos about this topic

[haughty thistle]

With some Velcro tape maybe. The Quest 2 has a plate to mount swappable headstraps, which the Quest 1 doesn't have. But you could probably use some industrial strength velcro and just tape the hook side onto any Quest 2 headstrap and stick it to the Quest 1 on either side...

[rapid otter]

There's this option but i think a quest 1 designed one will be more practical

[candid bluff]

Sleep takes a while to go down and your stamina bar starts to become orange when you need to eat food

Usually I only see sleep go down after traveling super long distances

[rapid otter]

Well yeah it happened thanks a lot, but only during the second mission wich was longer

Man is this game a gem, i spent half an hour cleaning my guns, organizing my loot ect

[haughty thistle]

I just can't have luck, can I?
First weekend with my Varjo and it decides it'd rather be a 2k Euro paperweight. It does still function, but the moment I pick it up it disconnect...

[rustic garnet]

What do you guys think of boneworks?

[candid bluff]

yeah once it gets later in the game it takes super long to get around so i usually go right after tide

[candid bluff]

favorite vr game

[rustic garnet]

I think the physical body is quite the annoyance

It feels like im playing qwop sometimes fr

[candid bluff]

it took some time but i got really good with it

virtual crouch is super useful too

[rustic garnet]

The dev team is hella full of themselves lmao

The museum

Like yeah okay physical environment I've seen it in 2004 dawg

[candid bluff]

i played the story for that game like 20 times

but yeah the museum gets pretty redundant

[rustic garnet]

I guess the industry has moved on since 2019

[gloomy crater]

the dev team hasn't updated the game in years

[candid bluff]

but when boneworks came out a lot of vr games had little to no physics

[rustic garnet]

But i feel like at least now a lot of games have your hands not phasing through things

And like

Lone echo

Super old game

[candid bluff]

yeah they are making a new game

[rustic garnet]

Climbing is in robinson the journey

[rustic garnet]

What does that have to do with anything

[rapid otter]

Me too

[rustic garnet]

Hey are there any shoutguns later in the story

[rapid otter]

🫂

[rapid otter]

Damn good luck 🤞

[rapid otter]

At first it's annoying but after it becomes so cool

[candid bluff]

no there are mods for it

[rapid otter]

It was planned but never released

[gloomy crater]

I have a lot of both good and bad things to say about boneworks. It was really fun when I first got it, but then I played through everything the game had to offer, and basically went "That's it??" Like, I thought with all of the people talking about how great this game is online, the devs would try their hardest to keep the engagement ball rolling, but they left it in its current state for so long that getting an update at this point would be strange. Oh well, at least the soundtrack can keep me company

[rustic garnet]

Idgi what's the plot

[rapid otter]

@candid bluff do you know if i can retrieve the photos i take with the camera in into the radius

[candid bluff]

in a summary the main character is a security tester for a virtual world

i dont think so i just use the steam vr screenshot

[rapid otter]

Base coming along well

Man cleaning weapons is so fun but it's so long i got an old shogun and getting it back to blue too a while

When I get back to the base i clean all my weapons and mags every time just to be sure

Also the quantity of WD-40 we go through is comical

At 200$ a bottle 😅

[candid bluff]

yeah the bottles are super costly sometimes they spawn in the village though which is nice

I haven't even put anything in my base yet other than a lighter and the cleaning kit

[harsh niche]

What game is that? Boneworks?

[cedar kraken]

Yikes.
Yeah--mine just runs along the floor.

I didn't know it was so fragile. You'd think a cable that's attached to something you wear on your head while moving around would be made much more sturdy

I'll RMA it

[candid bluff]

into the radius

[harsh niche]

Oh never heard of it before

[rustic garnet]

It has a fiber optic glass in it I'm pretty sure

[cedar kraken]

For what?

[rustic garnet]

glass fiber optic? fiber optic glass strand?

data transfer duh

[cedar kraken]

I don't think it does.

[rustic garnet]

Like fiber internet

[cedar kraken]

It's displayport+audio+USB

[rustic garnet]

Yeah and they carry digital data over a fiber link so what

[cedar kraken]

Not trying to be contrary but I'd like to see a source on that.

[rustic garnet]

uhhh

I swear I've seen it

[cedar kraken]

The cable's got gold plated connectors on either end, which means if there is fiber optic there needs to be a fiber optic thingy--a laser thingy and a receiver thingy, which are both powered, not passive--on either end of the cable. I don't see any indication that such a thing is there--also it wouldn't make sense financially for them to build it that way.

[rustic garnet]

Dude there's a 12 volt power cable feeding straight into it

[cedar kraken]

That's passed through to the headset.

[rustic garnet]

Idk I can't find anything on it so maybe I'm wrong

Maybe it was some othee headset

[cedar kraken]

Yeah--either way, the cable is fragile.
It should have been designed better.

[rustic garnet]

Well like there's still what, 40 something pins in there?

[cedar kraken]

At this data rate, the wires act as transmission lines, not just wires--so it's more like RF than electrical signals

so they're more fragile

That's why SATA cables can't be bent 90 degrees, for example.

[rustic garnet]

Huh?

They can't?

Wdym

[cedar kraken]

If you put a kink--like a bend, instead of a gentle curve, in a SATA cable for a hard drive, it can lower your transmission rate.

[rustic garnet]

Fr?

[cedar kraken]

I think? I'd hate to give you bad info but I guess then we'd be even

[rustic garnet]

haha yeah

[cedar kraken]

Yeah, that's what I was told but I'm not immediately seeing info on it when I Google it so pretend I didn't say it at all

🤪

[sullen linden]

this is kinda epic (writing this on my quest lol)

[past tulip]

My Christmas paycheque was a bit bigger than I expected (not huge, but a couple hundred more than expected), so I'm looking at finally picking up a VR headset. Is the Quest 2 still the best budget one, or is there something else I should be looking at? Looking at the $400-ish CAD range

[harsh niche]

yeah for now it is

[sullen linden]

yea it probably is

[cedar kraken]

It is, but then you're buying something form the Zucc and supporting the Facebook monster

[sullen linden]

true

[past tulip]

I personally have no issues with that. Lol. When I'm not playing games, most of my free time is already spent on Facebook

[cedar kraken]

😓

[sullen linden]

ah ok so mark already has your nudes

[cedar kraken]

Zucc's vision for the future of VR is a dystopia.

[past tulip]

Sure, if I had any. Lol

[sullen linden]

unpopular opinion: I kinda like it

[cedar kraken]

I'm not gonna like chase you around and scream at you for liking Facebook; I can see both sides. They've made VR very accessible. Their product is the most competitive of all of the VR products out there right now.

https://tenor.com/view/ban-ads-zucc-ads-marketing-meme-ban-ad-accounts-facebook-meme-gif-18671824

still though

[sullen linden]

"I was human" 💀

guys I'm still inside my quest and I don't wanna get out it's 7:23 am so I guess I'm pulling an allnighter

[rapid otter]

Why so you sell everything you get ?

Personally i most of the food, an i keep one of everything I could need lighter lamp ect

I prefer being safe with my supplies

[haughty thistle]

@cedar kraken @rustic garnet
There's actually conflicting information on whether or not the Index cable is optical. On the one hand, with the data rates and whatnot going through the cable, it would just make sense to use an optical one to reduce the weight and thickness of the cable (as all those need for shielding is a light-shield), and the flexibility of the Index cable would suggest that it is indeed optical in nature. But on the other hand the material fatigue experienced by the Index cable where it comes out of the HMD, and the way that it's usually failing would more indicate that the data is transferred electrically through the cable. Also, the PC-end of the 5m cable section is much shorter then what you'd usually find on a cable with an optical transceiver built-in.
All in all, I gave up taking sides on this debate and just calling the Index cable just that: a cable. It's certainly not that fragile as some people make it out to be, it's routing on the headset itself just isn't very healthy for it. Keeping this in mind and doing certain steps (like keeping the strap level to the main HMD body), can prolong the life of the cable significantly

Here just for comparison. On the left is the cable of the Varjos Aero (which is indeed optical) and on the right is the Index cable.

[rapid otter]

Well i know one way
https://c.tenor.com/006OlTc06C4AAAAM/scissors-opening-and-closing.gif

[haughty thistle]

oh no

[candid bluff]

Yeah I have like 28k cash rn in-game and I have gas mask body armor and the helmet also an ak74u which are really the only things I bought

[rapid otter]

How do you organize your backpack ?

[candid bluff]

I keep spare mags on the bottom right and ammo boxes on the bottom left

Food is middle left and energy drinks is top left with stims being top right

Than the middle is my gas mask and loot

Sometimes when I empty a spare mag I'll put it on the bottom left but super close to the edge of the backpack

[rapid otter]

You keep spare mags in the backpack ? Make are all in the pockets, i only have a pistol and a shotgun but i never need more than 5 mags tbh

[candid bluff]

yeah I have 6 ak mags and 5 tokarev mags for my tt-33 so I have some spare mags and I swap out when im in factory or the city

[rapid otter]

Ho ok i prefer having them on my vest and when I have time I refill them

[candid bluff]

yeah sometimes in factory or the city you don't have time to refill cause there will be full rooms of enemies

[rapid otter]

I'm not to that point

[rapid otter]

Man this is though right now, I'm in a new zone, at first i had 2 pistol boxes + 2 shogun boxes, the pistols ,with 5 mags and the shotgun full.

Well i ran out of ammo, and out off meds

I got lost in the map because i confused a building for another

Now i found a village an was able to get some sleep to recover a but of health

I'm still pretty low on ammo tho

I'm gonna try to finish the mission before the storm gets me

This game is so intense

[snow steeple]

What game is that?

[uncut chasm]

I'm still rocking an og vive.. was wondering if a quest 2 is worth it as an upgrade since the price is so inexpensive.

[harsh niche]

The wireless PCVR with quest is pretty nice

so if you would like that then sure give it a try

[marsh charm]

So I recently got a new all-AMD laptop (Asus G15 Advantage Edition) to replace my desktop (5600X, GTX 1080Ti), when using Air Link it would allow me to raise the bitrate sliders up to 200mb/s, but on my new laptop it only allows up to 100mb/s. Router setup is the same (Asus AX5400 WiFi 6) only my Q2 uses the 5GHz band. I saw from a Reddit post that AMD graphics cards can only support up to 100mb/s on Air Link, is that true and is there any way to override that limit?

[candid bluff]

yeah ammo and stims go fast I usually have to buy stims after every mission

I usually keep 3 on me at all times

[austere marlin]

is it bad that I got my first vr headset December 15th, 2020 and I've already spent over 1,370 hours in vr?

that's more than 15% of the hours in a year

and that's just steam.

I have a quest two so while most of my time is on pc through virtual desktop, not all of it is.

[sullen linden]

cumjar

[candid bluff]

so just tried to do the 5th mission and its super hard

[lean notch]

Bit outdated but does anyone know if this build by LTT will support an Oculus for PC VR? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3dEfc9LL9bQ

[cloud ermine]

I believe according to the minimum reqs, it should run ok but if possible you would probably want to try to find a better GPU

[lean notch]

Ok

[glad sand]

Hey gang, got an issue with my MSI Creator Z16 laptop: Trying to use it with an Index, and it keeps giving me "Error 213 - Laptop Headset Display Disconnected." I've tried the cables on my other laptop, a Razer Blade Pro, and it works great when plugged in to the left Type-C port but gives me the same error when I use the right one. Am I just SOL? For both I'm using the same cables and adapter (Insignia Type-C to DisplayPort, got one in a hurry from Best Buy last time I needed it lol, worked fine on my other laptops tho). Would really suck if my super expensive MSI laptop is just useless for something I use all the time, false advertising since they claimed "VR Ready"...

[weak bluff]

that gpu can make you sick but yeah there wont be compatibility issue

it does not even reach minimum requirement for anything but Rift CV1 and even that is bad to use

[lean notch]

Wdym sick?

[weak bluff]

motion sickness

[rapid otter]

Yeah i carried two stims but i pace the new enemy with the rifle who burst fire

I don't have anything long range expect my shotgun

But i get reload glitches with the rounds flying when I try to take them on the barrel

[west iron]

anybody got any tips on a good vr headset

[rapid otter]

First of all i this is underpowered for VR and i doubt this is supported, i know that for airlink you need a supported GPU i assume that for link it's the same

[rapid otter]

Do you have/will have a PC ?
What's your budget ?

[haughty thistle]

I doubt there is an overwrite for that. I think Quest Link and Air Link are using GPU compute (Cuda on Nvidia, OpenCL on AMD) for the image compression to some degree, and it might be that the OpenCL one just isn't as optimized or there are bandwidth bottlenecks that made Oculus decide to introduce a limit on AMD cards...

[marsh charm]

That's a shame. I'm making do with setting it at a fixed 100mb/s for now which looks decent enough and hasn't hitched so it's not as much of an issue as I thought after playing a few hours of VRChat with it. Dynamic seems to favor a lower bitrate despite having enough bandwidth headroom.

[haughty thistle]

100 Mbit/s is actually the hard-limit on the Quest 1. If the PCVR resolution for the Quest 2 hasn't really changed from the Quest 1, you'll probably have about a similar experince

[rapid otter]

100 mbs is fine tbh

I've been using this since day one and it looks good enough

The only time you'll see it of you are really careful is in plain textures like a grey floor

---

Have you got the varjo working back ?

[haughty thistle]

Nope. Tried it yesterday again, just in case it was a software fluke, but it was just as bad as the day before. Heck, it even managed to lock up my PC xD
Still waiting for a response from Varjo, which I am expecting sometime today. After all, it has been weekend the last two days in Finnland...

[rapid otter]

I would expect a fast answer

They need to provide a fast customer service they are meant to be very high end

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, absolutely. As they're usually catering to Business customers, who have actual money to make, I'd expect them to be good at support...

[candid bluff]

Yeah the city is filled with armored ones and there is a ghost apc that shoots explosive shells and teleports in the city also

That's where I'm stuck at right now

[formal willow]

anyone played Sport Mode? it looks like boneworks

[rapid otter]

We aren't certainly at the same city, mine has like 8 house maximum

[candid bluff]

the city is after the factory

[rapid otter]

And could you be careful not to spoil, not blaming you or anything

[candid bluff]

yeah

[rapid otter]

Never went there either

[candid bluff]

im just gonna tell you the areas get bigger and bigger

and way harder as you go on

the city should be called Kolkhoz Zarya on the map tho

[rapid otter]

I went here

[rapid otter]

Get bigger in surface ?

[candid bluff]

yeah as you keep going the village and the route are really small the city is like both of them combined in size

[rapid otter]

All right

So a lot of loot

I pick up pretty much everything ATM

But i think that further I'll have to choose

[candid bluff]

yeah a huge amount of loot I had like 40kg in my inventory after I left

[rapid otter]

So i did all this because i confused those buildings

[rapid otter]

I already do

But now I'll focus on more valuable items

[candid bluff]

yeah I try to use landmarks to find my way but you can usually tell after a bit which one is which cause the large building is brick and the smaller ones are wood

also on the village you can climb the crane and there is a loot spawn up there also

[rapid otter]

Yep but i was being hunted by enemies so i couldn't reverse my path

Loot spawn ?

[candid bluff]

yeah the enemies won't stop following you either once they see you they chase

yeah the loot spawns after every tide are random and they have a chance of spawning anywhere

[rapid otter]

The boxes with the green led ?

[candid bluff]

so orange boxes gun boxes and collectables are set spawns

[rapid otter]

All right

But you can't know where they are

[candid bluff]

the destroyed houses in the village with the basements usually spawn orange boxes

[rapid otter]

Thx

[candid bluff]

thats usually where I find the gun cleaner also

[rapid otter]

I can't wait to get a real rifle

Not a shotgun, the ammo flying are so annoying

[candid bluff]

yeah you want to pay attention to weight though cause its gonna matter later on

[rapid otter]

I pick up a lot of things

[candid bluff]

also I suggest if you get a full auto gun put it in full auto and fire in bursts cause for some reason its more accurate than single fire

[rapid otter]

But what about long range ?

[candid bluff]

yeah even in long range its really weird for some reason

[rapid otter]

I thought about getting a DMR or a sniper rifle

[candid bluff]

a dmr or sniper is a solid choice but im pretty sure you unlock aks at security level 3 and snipers and dmrs at security level 4

let me check actually cause I might be wrong

[rapid otter]

I think you are right

I don't like the fact i can't carry both

Like i still need to save space in case i wanna bring a new rifle home

[candid bluff]

yeah true I usually just hold it and throw it out if I have another gun already

[rapid otter]

You have an AK-U atm ?

[candid bluff]

yeah thats my main gun rn

[rapid otter]

I wanna buy an AK and a better 9x18 pistol

I have a lot of rounds for it

[candid bluff]

yeah thats why I got it cause I kept finding ammo for it

[rapid otter]

I like the fact that they are a lot of different ammo types, really realistic

[candid bluff]

yeah I've been finding a lot of mosin ammo recently

[rapid otter]

I have 2 AK mags allready

Pretty nice

[candid bluff]

yeah I've found a lot of ak mags on factory

[rapid otter]

And i found a Makarov but i don't wanna use it rn

[candid bluff]

yeah I got a tt-33 and I still use it as my main pistol but I might get the one with the 27 round mag

or an m9

[rapid otter]

The 27 rounds is the last one of the 9x18 ?

[candid bluff]

yeah its got full auto also

[rapid otter]

Yeah that's cool

Might get useful later

[candid bluff]

yeah having a lot of rounds is also nice cause 9x18 is everywhere

[rapid otter]

I bought a 300 box of it

Just to be sure 😂

[rapid otter]

In the mink village i found some, i actually ended up with 3 ammos to 3 mags

[candid bluff]

yeah I might buy one of the huge boxes of 5.45 cause I have like 23k rn

[rapid otter]

23 000 ?

Whaaat

[candid bluff]

money

[rapid otter]

Ho

[candid bluff]

cause I don't buy anything

[rapid otter]

I thought 23000 5.45

I have 3000 $ i don't have much money I'm 6 hours in

[candid bluff]

yeah the artifacts are like 400 usually with some going up to the 1k range and the weather machines are around 300 with the cameras being 400 so if you just collect a bunch of those you can make almost around 2k per tide in each area

[rapid otter]

I usually make 1500

Per mission

In loot

[candid bluff]

yeah side missions don't pay much but the story missions usually give around 2k-4k

[formal willow]

just leave out the starbucks and avocado toast and you will save 1000$ a month

[rapid otter]

Speak for you, you are like 20 hours into the radius

[rapid otter]

True

[candid bluff]

yeah a lot of running around and looting I really didn't start missions until like 4 hours in

[rapid otter]

Ho i started as soon as I could

The first time i went into the radius was for a mission

[candid bluff]

I do that now cause tide goes so fast

usually when I finish a mission now I have about a day before tide and I usually go right after tide

[rapid otter]

Yeah because it's so far

[candid bluff]

im not sure if you knew this but you can go straight to the village from the safe zone

[rapid otter]

Wdym ?

[candid bluff]

instead of having to go through the first place to get to the second place you can go straight to the second place

[rapid otter]

Humm

How ?

[candid bluff]

when you go to enter the first place from the safe zone take a right and walk into the fog there

[rapid otter]

I went there allready but it didn't changed my position

[candid bluff]

maybe its an unlock then cause it goes straight to the village for me

[rapid otter]

Like at the border it just puts a loading screen and i just reaper at the same place

[candid bluff]

the one on the left doesn't work for me

[rapid otter]

There

[candid bluff]

yeah

[rapid otter]

You need to go in the fog on the right side ?

[candid bluff]

yeah

[rapid otter]

On the right on the montain

Even if i don't cross on the road wich was the first entry point

[candid bluff]

Im meaning in the safe zone

let me take some screen shots real quick

[rapid otter]

Yeah would

Ho

On the gate

The sides of the gate

[candid bluff]

yeah

[rapid otter]

Hooo

And i can take it to get back ?

[candid bluff]

yeah when you go to the village you will be near a train with a way back

you end up right next to the houses and its super easy to loot then go back and sell

[rapid otter]

Here

[rapid otter]

I thought the only way back was the first portal, the one when you start the game

[rapid otter]

Talking about here

You helped me a lot

[candid bluff]

yeah you dont have to go there

the green spot is where you end up

[rapid otter]

Ho nice

You are so helpful

This game doesn't explain a lot

(It used to be worse i heard)

[candid bluff]

yeah you have to learn a lot on your own

[rapid otter]

You play without arms 😳😳😳

[candid bluff]

yeah ive had times where i cant see an enemy in the distance cause of my arms

[rapid otter]

😂

I prefer using em still

Looks better

[candid bluff]

yeah it does look nicer

[rapid otter]

You are so helpful thanks a lot my man

[candid bluff]

another thing

[rapid otter]

Yeah

[candid bluff]

tapping the watch turns the light on

[rapid otter]

I knew this one

[candid bluff]

map has similar

[rapid otter]

Attention to detail

Have you been behind the train in the base ?

[candid bluff]

yeah

[rapid otter]

🌲

[candid bluff]

yeah i knew something was added with the christmas update so i searched the whole base and found it

[rapid otter]

Anyways have a good one, gonna go...

[candid bluff]

alright

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/ZkwPWkELjAM

[glad sand]

Hey gang, got an Index and tryna use my laptop still, got a new adapter and switched OS yesterday (with only the old adapter) to Manjaro from Windows 11 then Server 2012 then Server 2019. With either adapter, things don't work. Manjaro is giving me the issue of "enable direct display mode", which I click, but it seems to do nothing as it prompts me to do that again after restarting the headset

[haughty thistle]

SteamVR on Linux is still an absolute mess. Think of it like gaming on Linux in general, but with the tinkering required cranked to 11...

[rapid otter]

I think they don't put any work on it, a very small group of people play on Linux let alone in VR

[haughty thistle]

For example: From what I've manage to gather so far, the amount of devices SteamVR can detect is hard limited in Linux. If you have 4 lighthouses, you can't connect any trackers, with 2 lighthouses just 2 trackers can be connected. Doesn't matter if wireless or not. On Some distros, the pairing dialog is completely non-functional (ex. Linux Mint). The Desktop view in the Dashboard is completely broken. Certain Setting Windows just don't exist on the Linux version, despite them housing critical debug options (like direct display mode). And I also seemed to have an issue with my Nvidia card, where no matter what game i threw at it, as soon as it didn't reach the refreshrate of the headset, the game would just stutter like crazy...

Oh, and of course. The only headsets which are currently fully functional in Linux are the OG Vive, Vive Pro 1 and Valve Index. So you're severely limited in terms of hardware choice...

Linux and VR are a chicken and egg problem. On the one hand, it's a niche within a niche. Because basically no one is playing VR on Linux, no one wants to put in the effort to make it good. On the other hand, no one wants to play VR on Linux, because it's an absolute dumpster fire.

[rapid otter]

I don't see it becoming better in the future

A friend has a PS4, he asked me about the PSVR, is it any good ?

[rapid otter]

You can basically only have 2 lighthouses and 2 controllers ?

[haughty thistle]

No. With 4 lighthouses all you can get are your two main controllers. With 2 lighthouses you can additionally use 2 trackers. So what I more meant is that Fullbody tracking is not possible on Linux

[rapid otter]

Most of the time it's 3 trackers 2 legs and 1 hip

[haughty thistle]

Yup

[west iron]

Yes I will and 500-1000

Usd

[rapid otter]

5000 -1k for the PC or headset ?

@west iron

[limpid belfry]

I drew the Valve index Controllers

[celest zealot]

nailed the shading

[sullen linden]

whats the best virtual reality game?

[soft hound]

Yes

[flint ridge]

In my opinion it is stride

[candid bluff]

yeah

[west iron]

For the headset

[gloomy crater]

Is there any way to get the mounting hardware for base stations without the base stations themselves?

Like, either another set of those wall brackets you screw into the wall and then screw the lighthouses onto, or a pair of those tripods I've heard some people have gotten

I have 2 base stations, and I accidentally ended up with two full sets of index cables when I bought the kit, so I can just take my base stations off the wall and bring them to another location without having to unroute all my cables, since I have an extra set at the second location. I just don't have any way to mount the lighthouses when I get to that location, just the means to power them

[gloomy crater]

Ayo my arms are fckn TOASTED right now. I beat Cirno's Perfect Math Class on Quantum Physics difficulty in beatsaber for the first time in like a year and I'm def gonna be feeling it tomorrow morning

[lean notch]

lol

[thorny ferry]

[haughty thistle]

Not afaik. You can get third party wall or ceiling mounts and use those at home, and bring the ones that came with the Index on the go. Then again, you can use any sort of camera mount with the lighthouses. Just make sure they have tilt adjustment and you should be good to go

Also, if you want to use the Varjos Aero, don't upgrade to Windows 11. You're not gonna get support from them.
In general, this is a friendly reminder that Windows 11 still sucks for VR and you wanna stick to Windows 10 for now

[rapid otter]

Ho

Guess you going back to windows 10

[haughty thistle]

I've been sticking to Windows 10 all this time

[gloomy crater]

They're gonna have to pry windows 10 from my withered hands in 2025

[gloomy crater]

I can't really bring the ones that came with the index with me on the go, because the plates are screwed into my walls. But if I can find adapters with the correct tripod camera mount thread for screwing on the base stations, I can just use a few extra tall tripods I guess.

[wise crescent]

I have a couple of construction ceiling supports which are basically just a pole you tighten between the floor and ceiling. Then attached a pole mount to it which I then just screwed the base station on.

[rapid otter]

I thought it was a response to your software issues from last weekend

[glad sand]

Any disadvantage to going AMD from NVIDIA for VR (Index)? Only used NVIDIA with VR previously but tryna get legacy compatibility via AMD drivers :)

[haughty thistle]

I haven't heard of any horror stories with AMD cards and VR in a while now, so I guess you should be fine...

Can't say for certain though. The last (and only) Team Red GPU I ever had was like a passively cooled hand-me-down ATi card in my first ever PC xD

[glad sand]

Lol understandable, yeah I've been on team green for quite some time, they just locked out support for Windows 8.1 specifically, even though they have full support for 7, 10, and now 11...maybe that's a bad reason to go AMD, but the stock RX 6000 series cooler fits in my fav case so that's cool too I guess :)

[haughty thistle]

full support for 7
Since when? I'm still running a 750Ti in my WinServer 2016 machine, and I'm stuck on some ancient driver, 'cause anything newer requires some newer WDDM driver model that Server 2016 simply doesn't support...

[flint ridge]

How r u going to get one

[rustic garnet]

You guys think these would work with CV1 Touches? https://www.kiwidesign.shop/products/q1-pro-2-pro-version-knuckle-grip-cover-for-oculus-quest-2-touch-controller?variant=39358942969969

[peak coral]

I have those. They are great, but i gotta take them off when I change out my rechargeable batteries

[rustic garnet]

But do you have a Quest 2?

@peak coral hey

[haughty thistle]

The CV1 Touch controllers have a different shape towards to the top of the casing (to accomodate for the bottom mounted tracking ring). Thus, this product probably won't work with the CV1 touch controllers, or at least not without heavy modifications

Keep in mind though, that the CV1 Touch controllers have LEDs all over the place (including the rougher plastic trip surrounding the top plate), so if you use such a product, keep in mind that you may be reducing Tracking quality

The Quest 2 Touch controllers juts have LEDs on the rings, before you ask

[rustic garnet]

Yeah but like, how far off can it be?

And it looks like some kind of rubber material anyway so it should be able to fit?

There's only two dots outside the tracking ring and i have a 3 sensor setup so i think that'll be fine

[pale wagon]

there are CV1 oriented acessories that do the same thing, and as an owner of said acessory, its preferable.

[pale wagon]

https://www.amazon.com/AMVR-Controller-Oculus-Anti-Throw-Protective/dp/B07ZKQ5LP8

probably avoid amazon, but this is what I own

[harsh niche]

What do you use it for?

[haughty thistle]

Basic server tasks, that I can't be bothered for renting a V-Server for. For example, I'm running my Discord bot on it. It's also my personal NAS with adequate extra storage in there. I could take out the 750Ti and run it off the Integrated graphics, but I had it used for Floding@Home in the past and I kinda wanna dabble in splitting up Blender rendering tasks between it and my main rig...

But it's not really a topic fitted for this channel

[glad sand]

Server 2016 is based on some version of Win10, not 7, but I got a 3000 series card and 7 has drivers, 10/11 has drivers, but 8.1 is locked out for some reason even though it’s still “supported” by MS 🤷‍♂️

[pale wagon]

anyone not on 7 is more likely to be on 10 or 11 than 8.1 or 8, as well, who liked them?

but 7 still has userbase

but 8.1?

[glad sand]

Trading, I got a 3090 FE from Best Buy at an in-person drop event…would’ve gone 3080 but I was too far back in line 😭 … rn I’m debating between the 6900XT Halo edition and the 6900XT reference + $800

[glad sand]

Yeah it’s pretty annoying that they went purely by user base and not what they actually pledged to the users…just because a lot of people prefer 7 doesn’t mean you should force the people who paid good money for your product onto an older version of your product that the key doesn’t transfer to :/

[harsh niche]

Oh cool

[rapid otter]

@candid bluff i finally escaped !!!

I found the artifact for the mission after like and hour of search, i didn't understood how the artifact detector worked, while randomly clicking i found the first artifact and then the others.

[candid bluff]

yeah im on the second to last mission right now

[rapid otter]

On a half heart i came back all the way to the base

[candid bluff]

yeah I came back to the base with 1 hp on my last mission

[rapid otter]

So you discovered all the map ? Are they any other missions afterward ?

[candid bluff]

theres one area I can't go yet

it won't let me go to it

[rapid otter]

I looted so much things i had 50 kg and sold all of it for 3 k

[candid bluff]

last night I got around 12k from searching the city

[rapid otter]

Now i have 8 k waiting to get to security lv 3

[candid bluff]

I had like 55 kg

[rapid otter]

How can I get lv3 ?

I just need to continue doing missions ?

[candid bluff]

the main story missions get you security levels

[marsh charm]

Might not apply to you but I had an ASUS TUF 6900XT that would hard reboot my PC after an hour or two of VRChat or Dirt Rally 2, those are just the two games I played most at the time, likely not limited to those two. Also I recently learned that if you have a Quest 2 and plan to use Air Link, the max bit rate you are allowed is up to 100mb/s as opposed to up to 200mb/s on Nvidia cards. :/

Had to go back to a 1080Ti because of that issue. Was an awesome card otherwise.

[glad sand]

That's a great point, I forgot about that limitation since NVIDIA's NVENC is more efficient than AMD's equivalent. But I'll just be using an Index, maybe a Vive on occasion...I will likely be using 4 lighthouses on an often basis though, idk if that matters at all 🤷‍♂️ . Thanks for your input! Was it just an issue with VR games or did it also do that with other traditional games?

[marsh charm]

It hard reboot when I played Death Stranding once, but it was more inconsistent than the VR games.

[glad sand]

Wack, I wonder why...did you ever get it resolved or just switch entirely?

[marsh charm]

I got a replacement card straight from Asus but same problem. Still to this day dunno if it's because of the 6000 series architecture or just that particular model of 6900XT. :s

Probably just that particular model. I had a laptop with a 6800M for a short while and that was totally fine for VR.

[orchid mural]

your pc would restart by itself?

[marsh charm]

Yup, I even replaced every component in the system. It was 100% the GPU.

[orchid mural]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1399734-pc-crashing-to-black-screen-in-games/

[marsh charm]

Once I swapped in a 1080Ti, it's been stable.

[orchid mural]

me and buncha others getting similar issues with the tuf 6800xt

tho it doesnt restart just gets a black screen

looks like asus qc been lacking

[marsh charm]

Yeah mine just hard reboots, goes through the splash screen and full process so it's been a b#*& to track down the root cause.

[orchid mural]

you had enough PSU wattage right?

[marsh charm]

Yup, 900 watts Platinum unit.

I don't have to worry about it anymore, that card has long been sold to someone else.

[orchid mural]

yeah I'm thinking abt doing that myself

did you find any others having the same issue?

[marsh charm]

Not personally no, but I haven't been looking.

Funny, my current 1080Ti is an ASUS Strix model, maybe just stay away from TUF cards. :p

[leaden ruin]

ok i have been playing some asetta corsa lately in vr. now i know the game is quite old and the graphics are meh compared to nowadays graphics. does asetta corsa competizione look good in VR?

or run good with a rx 5600 xt

[leaden ruin]

i have a rx 5600 xt asus tuf evo x3, never had problems and the card runs very good and temps usually roundabout 60C

in csgo and valorant i don't even get fanspin

[weak bluff]

you mean xbox kinect?

it pretty horrible if you have poor space and quite glitchy

for some its just enough

[snow steeple]

I finally got my Valve Index Controllers (For my Vive Pro 2)

definitely takes some getting used to since having used Vive wands since Vive 1

[rapid otter]

😂

[weak bluff]

no

its never good

its just acceptable for some

[haughty thistle]

It's ok-ish, as long as you don't turn more the like 20° either direction...

There are some that say that you can use more then 1 Kinect, but I'd say that's BS, based on how the Kinect works.
The 360 one uses a dot projector, so you'd confuse each unit which dot belongs to which unit. It doesn't break the Tracking, but it does reduce the accuracy and quality.
The model from the Xbox One uses multiple time-shifted Illuminators, to essentially simulate multiple camera angles with just one camera (similar to how Windows Hello Facial recognition works actually). Using multiple of those does break the tracking altogether, as then the camera no longer get's it's multiple illumination angles...

[weak bluff]

kinect2vr keep saying over and over in FAQ that you cannot use more than 1 kinect lol

[rapid otter]

@haughty thistle do you know who the "finger tracking" works on the quest 2 controllers, like when you touch a button ever so slightly it shows it in game, are they touch sensitive ?

[haughty thistle]

Yep. The controllers have touch sensitive buttons, sticks and triggers. The only input that doesn't have a touch sensitive input on the Oculus controllers is the Grip button (probably because they expect you to rest your finger on it all the time)

Same is true for the Index controllers btw

[trail ember]

since google is again useless is the camera quality on the index actually 480p or is is just some setting on my end?

[haughty thistle]

According to Valve's own Website, they're supposed to be 960x960 each:

https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/index/headset

[trail ember]

just seems like 480p 30hz

[haughty thistle]

Well, because the image is stretched over a resolution much larger then the 1440p res of the Index. Keep in mind that for the lens correction, a lot of res goes lost

[glad sand]

Hey gang, switched back to Windows 10 for VR with a Valve Index on my MSI Z16 - same issues as before, error 213 "Laptop: Headset Display Disconnected." Tried both Thunderbolt 4 ports, multiple adapters, the works. Is this laptop just a POS? I sure hope not, it was incredibly expensive lol, seems great but for some reason this just isn't working...any advice is appreciated!

[rustic garnet]

TB4? why

[glad sand]

That’s just the port, doesn’t have MiniDP so that’s what I’m adapting from. Used both TB4 compatible and Type-C compatible adapters since I thought that might be the issue, niet

[haughty thistle]

Are you sure the Thunderbolt DP lanes go to the dGPU? I know it does on my XMG, but from what I know a number of laptops it's not like that.
If the laptop has like smart graphics switching between an iGPU and dGPU, it's suggested to turn off the iGPU, as it can cause all sorts of problems with VR

If you can't turn off the iGPU, or turning off the iGPU also turns off the DP lanes on the TB4 connector,s then you're sadly out of luck and your Laptop just isn't suitable for VR...

[glad sand]

Just doing it with Device Manager? There’s no option in the BIOS like my Blade Pro with a MUX Switch unfortunately. Thankfully that trend is coming in hot in 2022 so I’m excited for that lol, but anyways

I’ll try the Device Manager thing in the morning, since I need something for an event this weekend I might go pick up an eGPU enclosure off Facebook Marketplace if that doesn’t work (and I expect it might not)

I did try NVIDIA Control Panel but that didn’t work, though I didn’t go too deep into that with program-specific settings

Also I’m boutta trade my 3090 for a 6900XT Halo edition so that’s kinda hype but also kinda sad, mixed feelings

[haughty thistle]

I don't think the Device Manager helps much unfortunatly. It only does a driver level deactivation :/

[haughty thistle]

Also, why Trade a 3090 for a 6900XT? doesn't the 3090 have an overall better performance (and more VRAM which is always good for VR)?

[glad sand]

Yeah, I’ve been going back and forth on it for a while, pulling the trigger on one bc of NVIDIA’s infamous Code 43 that’s been really annoying lol

Other than that the 3090 is really great, but the Halo edition card is super limited so that’s very compelling, the sheer rarity of it and the driver issues being resolved

Not gonna be surprised if it introduces more problems though, certainly still not 100% sold on it

[haughty thistle]

Isn't Code 43 only a problem if you wanna pipe the card into a VM, and even then it's easy to circumvent...

[glad sand]

The other offer (as I’m sure I said in this chat at some point since I’ve been back-and-forth between them so much) is a 6900XT reference + $800 through PayPal (so -3% fee), but the rarity of the Halo version is really something I doubt I’ll get to pick up again anytime soon, even if I haven’t really played Halo lmao

[haughty thistle]

Then again, I personally don't really care about how my GPU looks, as long as it doesn't look like an absolute turd (like most "gaming" GPUs)...

[glad sand]

Yes, but it is also a driver issue in general, the error is simply, “the device won’t start” or something along those lines. For my use case (Server 2012) it seems like AMD’s drivers are more thoroughly supported in that regard than RTX 3000 series specifically, since the Quadro cards have that particular driver but that won’t install on GeForce naturally:/

Even on the same generation, A6000 + 3090

But yeah the 3090 originally came about from Best Buy, where I waited in line 12 hours to get one at MSRP

Also as of today I installed Server 2019 on it since I had an epiphany that those drivers might work (didn’t even consider Windows Server at all until a couple weeks back, was stuck on 8.1 which super didn’t work lol)…Server 2019 is absolutely better than 10 but not, in my opinion, as good as Server 2012 R2

[haughty thistle]

Opinions. I never really got comfortable with the Metro UI, and why M$ figured it was a good idea to also use it on their Server OS is beyond me...

I may be running Win10 on my main rig, but I use OpenShell to get the old Win7 Start menu back. That was imo the peak of Windows and it has only been going down since then...

[glad sand]

Heck yeah man, I really love 8.1 since it has a lot of modern features without going too deep into the…well, what is now Windows 10, with the double menus, changing where sh*t is and making it more inconvenient every update, etc. Even Server 2019 has a ton of telemetry garbage, and yet even the Windows Audio service is set to “manual start” by default like bruh talk about a false image

And yet 8.1 has the awful image, just like Vista did, that somehow 10 doesn’t just because they changed the appearance of the start menu back to something easily marketable, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”

Though normal 8 was pretty rough with the start menu lol they fixed a lot in 8.1

But yeah, there’s my rant…at the end of the day it kinda comes down to this for me: there were a wack ton of RTX 3090s produced, but only 117 of the Halo one. If it weren’t limited I basically wouldn’t care since I could just get one later for super cheap, but because it is limited it’s like the Cyberpunk 2077 2080 Ti (except 200 of those were made 😳 )

[haughty thistle]

Your choice

I'm just sayin' that Nvidia Drivers tend to be a bit more stable when it comes to VR support...

[glad sand]

Yeah absolutely, I’ve never really liked AMD’s control panel thing, I really like the NVIDIA Control Panel but absolutely despise GeForce Experience and have since 2015

At least I can never ever use it :)

But I do really like the 3090, it is a great card and now that I’ve seen Server 2019 not be a total POS I will certainly give that a shot and see how it goes (…while the guy ships me the Halo card and there’s a layover period)

[wise crescent]

Hmm I haven't had problems with geforce experience but then again I only use it to update my drivers

[haughty thistle]

Same xD

[oak wyvern]

are there any vr headset coming in a month or 2? that is from 330$ to 500$

[formal willow]

probably not who knows

psvr 2 is the only one new announced

[oak wyvern]

will the quest 3 coming out this year?

[formal willow]

I won't tell you

[oak wyvern]

👍

[haughty thistle]

From what we know so far, it will be less like a Quest and more something focusing on Infinite office...

[tawdry dove]

Also the quest 3 will probably come out more than 3 months from now

[haughty thistle]

The Quest 2 is already released?

[tawdry dove]

Fuck

Thanks for the @

[rapid otter]

Fake news

[haughty thistle]

On another note, I was randomly looking up the supplier of the Link box included with the Varjo Aero, and that led me down a rabbit hole xD

First up, the supplier lists the exact Linkbox model used by Varjo on their website as a VirtualLink Adapter Box, meaning if your 20-Series GPU can supply the 27W of power at 12V that the BizLink adapter box supplies, you might be able to just plug in your headset directly into your GPU (despite Varjo stating otherwise on their website)...
https://www.bizlinktech.com/products/detail/1332/VirtualLink™+Interface+Adapter

Second, the supplier does list a USB 3.1 Gen2 USB-C cable on their website that seems likely to be of the same spec as the one included by Varjo (although product pictures don't match up, likely a customisation by Varjo). As the supplier lists exact specifications as to what their cable is capable off, we at least now know what spec a possible third-party cable would need to have in order to work for the Aero: https://www.bizlinktech.com/products/detail/1451/USB+3.1+Gen+2+Type-C+Active+Cable
So far, I've found 2 cables that seem to match the spec (USB 3.1 Gen2 + DP1.4), one from Club3d (seemingly by another maker) and one from Lindy (based on pictures seemingly identical to the one Varjo uses)...

Third, and most interestingly, I've found mentions of a VirtualLink to OCuLink cable on their website: https://www.bizlinktech.com/products/detail/1333/VirtualLink™+Cable
It's possible that this listing is a remnant from the once planned (but then cancelled) Valve Index VirtualLink adapter cable. Reason why I belive this is the case is because the Index also uses a VirtualLink connector on the PC side (although the Index does use a female end on the PC side, and the one listed by BizLink terminates with a male connector on both sides)

[glad sand]

Does anyone know anything about the MSI Z16? I bought one and used it for a while, but now that I’m trying to plug anything into it (Thunderbolt devices specifically) it just…doesn’t work at all

[haughty thistle]

Wasn't this discussed a couple of days ago and the conclusion was, that all the DP ports are connected to the iGPU and you're out of luck because of this?

VR is very picky when it comes to the Display Output and whatnot and generally don't like when the image is piped through a second GPU. If you're laptop doesn't have a MUX switch, and the DP lanes of the TB4 port aren't connected to the dGPU, it just wont work. Period.

[rustic garnet]

@lean notch did it work

[lean notch]

Did you type in /referredby in the referral channel?

[rustic garnet]

Ah no

[lean notch]

Worked now

Thanks

[sudden anchor]

With a vive pro 2, using the vive software to get 5k I set the option in there, do I need to match that resolution in SteamVR, or just set it to auto?

[haughty thistle]

The SteamVR render resolution slider behaves more like a super sampling from the resolution that it received from the Vive Software. So when you set it to 100% in SteamVR, that's the res it'll send to the Vive Software no matter what.
The problem with HTC's trash software is, that even if you turn off the automatic resolution, it still keeps it on, but let's you choose whether you want 90Hz or 120Hz.
Hint: not even on a stone-cold 3090 can you achieve native res due to HTC...

That's the main reason I want to get rid of my Vive Pro 2 soon...

[sudden anchor]

I only bought it for Vrchat and I can get 5k 120hz on a 3060 haha, im too scared to try any of my more intensive games at full res O_O

Good to have the clarification on that though, cheers

[haughty thistle]

You can set it to 5k 120Hz, but keep in mind that the render resolution needs to be much higher then native, for the image to still be at native res in the center after the lens correction stuff. And that's where the Vive Software falls apart. The render res, even on my 3090, is lower on the Vive Pro 2, then on my Reverb G2, and the loss in sharpness is clearly noticable. Yeah, the VP2 has lower SDE, but if the blurry-ness keeps reminding me of my prescription (it's similar to not wearing my proper prescription), then it just isn't for me...

[sudden anchor]

I honestly wish we didnt have to use the vive software at all

It seems unneeded

[haughty thistle]

It is needed though, as SteamVR only offers limited control over non-native Hardware, and it's needed for the drivers at least, as SteamVR only has drivers for the natively supported OG Vive, Vive Pro 1 and Index...

[sudden anchor]

well thats as simple as putting everything into a dam .msi or .exe for us to download

[haughty thistle]

You need a seperate Software for anything not natively Support. For Oculus headsets it's the Oculus Software, for WMR it's the WMR Portal and a seperate driver for SteamVR (due to the portal being UWP, it can't install the SteamVR driver on it's own), for Pimax HMDs you need PiTool and for Varjo HMDs you need Varjo Base. And this is despite the fact that both the Varjo HMDs and Pimax HMDs use SteamVR tracking

[sudden anchor]

but nooo we gotta download their whole thingy

[haughty thistle]

And again, advanced features of the HMDs can't be controlled via SteamVR. In the case of the Vive Pro 2, that'd be the Wireless Adapter for example. On Pimax the FOV settings, for Varjo the Eye Tracking, adn so on...

[sudden anchor]

makes sense yeah

[haughty thistle]

It's stupid that HTC thinks that this is what a Prosumer product looks like, but apparently they do. Just as I am done with Pimax, I'm also done with the VP2... >.>

(I even contacted support, as if it were a bug and after 2 replacement cables and months of waiting they were like "You're HMD runs within spec")

[sudden anchor]

i literally had to contact support today about my vp2

the thing has tracking loss and now artifacts

not a good start for the vp2

at least with my experience

and yet my original vive dev kit is still running with no issues what, like 7 years later?

i smell a lack of quality and god knows what else

[haughty thistle]

Sounds like a damaged cable. Good luck with their support. While it's not Pimax level bad, it does get close, with agents seemingly not even knowing the product at all (besides the name that is)

[sudden anchor]

their support was stupid

so im sending it back to the store i got it from

[haughty thistle]

Hey, my Varjo also came wit ha damaged cable. So I'm in the same boat to some degree...

[sudden anchor]

considering how bent up they pack the things with the vive at least

im not fucken suprised

and its not even a matter of just using shitty knock offs from around the house to replace the 3 - 1

this time they use proprietary garbage

[haughty thistle]

At least Varjo uses a standard cable, which funny enough I found the exact one under the Lindy brand...
Type-C to Type-C USB 3.1 Gen2 with DP1.4 Alternate Channel support and USB-C PD support for at least 27W...

Actually posted about my adventure on how I found it yesterday xD

[sudden anchor]

yeah at least yours uses some kind of easy to replace standard

i gaurantee a replacement cable for a 2 would be like 200 aud

or some rediculous shit

[haughty thistle]

And hey, Varjo being B2B only usually should have decent support...

The Pro 2 replacement cable is 110€ I think over here? Dunno how that translates to AUD...

[sudden anchor]

oh yeah

like 200 aud then

at least in the ballpark

jeesus

[haughty thistle]

[sudden anchor]

do you have the XR-3?

[haughty thistle]

Nope. Aero

[sudden anchor]

ive looked at varjo a lot, whats your experience been like so far

[haughty thistle]

I don#t have a business, nor have I the money for a VR-3, let alone the XR-3

[sudden anchor]

aside from the cable

[haughty thistle]

Super clear, the Auto-IPD is trippy to experience, and super comfortable even for long sessions

[sudden anchor]

i was considering the vr-3 but went with a vp2 because cheaper

[haughty thistle]

Space for glasses is there, but it's not as much as you could have on like the Index with the lenses all the way out...

Yeah, the Aero is like 2000€ without tax. Currently only sold in the EU, NO, CH and NA afaik...

[sudden anchor]

fucks sake

we never get access to tech down here

we didnt even get the dam index

[haughty thistle]

Despite this, they do include power adapters for all sorts of countries including the one for Austrailia xD

[sudden anchor]

always have to pay some asshat a bunch of money because of "imports"

hmm yes lets sell only in these countries but still supply an aus plug

get stuffed lmao

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, I've heard the Australian government has some pretty high import taxes for electronics...

[sudden anchor]

oh yeah

an index costs about $500 more than a vp2

because of taxes n shit

[haughty thistle]

I honestly think the reason the plug is included, is because of their supplier. They get both the linkbox and power adapter in one box by their supplier, and they list all of these countries as support...

[sudden anchor]

at least they were considerate enough to include it

that counts for something

[haughty thistle]

I'm sure with time, Varjo will start to sell in other countries as well. Right now they sell on their own to said countries (I think not even Canada lol), and then they also have two partner stores that also sell to consumers, one being bestware in Germany (where I ordered mine) and the other being some store in the US...

If you have a business, you can get it in all sorts of countries, where Varjo has supply partners, but for consumers, availability is rather limited for now unfortunatly...

[sudden anchor]

hmm would you say its better to hunt down and import a vargo or RMA the VP2 and allow a new one?

[haughty thistle]

It's your choice honestly...

There are services that allow you to order stuff in the US, with a US shipping address and they then forward the packages to you. Dunno which of these services cater for AUS, but I'm sure there are some...

[oak wyvern]

Is it worth it to get a quest 2 now or wait for future vr headsets

[formal willow]

both

[haughty thistle]

The Quest is most likely not going to be replaced by whatever Project Cambria is going to be. The only HMD that may be worth waiting for is the Valve Deckard project, whenever that's going to ship...

[lilac jewel]

Looking to get a Link Cable for my Quest 2. Should I bother getting a used but new link cable or buy a new 3rd party one?

Or which you recommend

[supple crater]

Link is actually garbage

The benefits of link over airlink are marginal

Not worth $70

[lilac jewel]

Even cheap 3rd party?

[supple crater]

If you can find something $20 usd or less maybe

[gloomy crater]

The Partylink cables are pretty good for how cheap they are. The person I sold my quest to when I got my index is still using the Partylink cable I included with it to this day

[terse vine]

Unless their internet can’t handle it

I use virtual desktop and it works amazing that is if your internet can handle it

[supple crater]

True

[lilac jewel]

I mean isn't the stream local?

the wifi can handle it but I do notice stutters

I know virtual desktop is a option but can't actually buy it without my dad's consent

and he probably will say no to that but OK to a cable maybe

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but you defo want a separate router if you have more then just your phone connected to the router. And by that point you're already looking at a 50-60$ expense at minimum. Cables can be had for much cheaper

[lilac jewel]

i see

I did one point try 1 router for it but it was probably N so slower than AC

[rapid otter]

@candid bluff so i leveled up to lv 3, but it was so hard, i had to go in the factory but i took the wrong route, i ended up inside of it, against a lot of armored enemies. But I hadn't took any AP ammo, it was so hard to kill them. When I arrived to the objective i had 3 hearts, then i killed all the enemies, took me like 30 shotgun ammo because they weren't AP rounds.

Back to the base i got an AK 47 but i wasn't very happy of it, it wasn't very accurate, it used a ton of expensive ammos... So i got myself an OTC 33 (full auto 9x18) and an SKS with a 4x

I'm so pleased with it, it's very powerful, very precise, it doesn't use much ammo.
The handguns is a blast too, 27 rounds mag full auto, a real killing machine

[candid bluff]

I started to carry 2 primary guns with me a akm and a Mosin because the Mosin was suppressed with a sniper scope and the AK was for close range which really helped when there was a lot of armored enemies

[rapid otter]

I plan on doing this too

I'm gonna save for an akm (they share the same mags) but rn I'm very broke

[candid bluff]

Yeah I spent a lot on the AK and the ammo around 5k on the mags gun and ammo

[rapid otter]

Mags too they be expensive

I got two one on my chest and one for the gun

No more

Do you know if it can restore knifes when they become used ?

[rustic garnet]

Is Boneworks not supposed to have haptic feedback for holstering things?

[formal willow]

it is so you dont need to keep looking at your inventory

[woeful plover]

!report @lean notch advertizing

is that how it works

lol

[rustic garnet]

Wdym

I'm not using the inventory menu I'm trying to put my crowbar over my shoulder and my gun under my arm

but yknow it just drops to the ground because idfk where the "holsters" are

[formal willow]

it has the feedback so you know when to let go

wait it doesnt

maybe there is a mod for that

[lean notch]

Got rid of it. Thanks for telling me

[flint ridge]

Did it anyways lol

[rustic garnet]

So it's not just my computer bugging?

[formal willow]

yeah

[glad sand]

Could one conceivably run two Valve Indexes off a single 3090?

[haughty thistle]

Not really. You need a direct display connection for the Index, and the only way of running multiple SteamVR instances on the same GPU is using the Virtualization Trick shown in a recent LTT video.

[glad sand]

Yeah that’s what I was referring to 🤔

[gloomy crater]

A friend just asked me if there were any integrated graphics capable of running VR 😑

Inb4 RDNA2 IGPs release and this ages like milk

[weak bluff]

technically Windows Mixed Reality minimum requirement is an integrated graphics

which i do not recommend

which is yikes

i guess they tried to make Surface Book 1 capable of it

prob only 360 video viewing

[weak bluff]

so technically yes if he enjoy watching videos on it at max 60Hz

a lot of compromise here

Reports of some people manage to run like cliffhouse and minecraft on UHD 620 but that is it others are choppy https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/comments/ateswv/intel_hd_620_and_steam_vr/

i feel like Microsoft tried really hard to test on Surface Book then be like yeah it runs so thats minimum

[haughty thistle]

Isn't that what minimum spec has become nowadays? The minimal specs you need to run it, whether it runs good is a different question...

[weak bluff]

But even recommended specs of vr is quite low

yeah fair

But it's fun to try in minimum lol

[haughty thistle]

VR is perfectly playable on a 1060 6GB, just don't expect to run something like the Reverb G2 or Varjo Aero at native res on that card...

[weak bluff]

I used to run Rift CV1 minimum (GTX 1050Ti) and its sickening

[rapid otter]

The 1050 ti has quite a big difference to the 1060

[weak bluff]

Yep

1060 6GB is recommended

[weak bluff]

I need 2080Ti >:((

[rapid otter]

I want one too

😅

[haughty thistle]

Still not enough for the highest res VR headsets like the Varjo Aero xD

I have a 3090 and it struggles with the Aero at 35PPD...

[rapid otter]

I think the varjo customer have adequate hardware

35 PPD ?

[haughty thistle]

PPD = Pixels per degree
imo the better way to measure pixel density on VR HMDs

The Native res of the Varjo Aero is 35PPD