virtual-reality

[haughty thistle]

If you have a legacy Oculus account, the CV1 may actually be an option to not require Facebook. But, you'll have to keep in mind that legacy Oculus accounts are somewhat in Limbo right now. No one, but the guys at Facebook know what'll happen in roughly a year and a half from now (early 2023 is when legacy accounts are going to be "deprecated").
My current guess is that Online multiplayer will be turned off for those accounts as well as new game purchases, but otherwise will function identically. But your guess is as good as mine...

Also, with the CV1, I'd highly suggest trying to get ahold of an additional replacement cable or a second HMD for replacement parts. These things are becoming rarer by the day and replacement parts aren't exactly available anymore...

[wooden ember]

yep in that case an old vive is a better bet

but seriously the used one i found got the lenses i bad shape ...

https://www.janpara.co.jp/sale/search/detail/?SRCODE=78223293&SHPCODE=92&OUTCLSCODE=76 if you look at the lenses picture you can see the scratch ... like how this is possible ? the guys have steel eyes ?

[haughty thistle]

I don't really see a scratch on those lenses, just the ceiling light reflecting in the fresnel rings.
Then again, the pictures load in only Potato quality for me

[wooden ember]

second one

front sensor

[fiery acorn]

Looks a but roughed up yea

[wooden ember]

price is around 200usd

[thick escarp]

You could try fixing them with some lens repair fluid, they don't look that deep. The owner might have worn glasses, not steel eyes. 😁

[haughty thistle]

By the looks of it, these kinda scratches just naturally happen over time. A little harder spec of dust just has to be there and when you dry clean it, boom there you got your scratch.
Like I said, my glasses have a number of these microscratches, and I don't really see them at all

You only really know for sure, once you've tried it though.
But as Florian said, you can buff those smaller scratches out using a fluid called "Polywatch". I wouldn't use these too often (as you're literally taking of a microscopic layer of material each time) but for a one-time use, it is pretty good

[wooden ember]

at last it is sold by a shop so I can see there XD

[burnt vault]

So I recently finally finished my upgrade from an i7 4750HQ, Iris Pro 5200 iGPU, 8GB of RAM, etc, etc, to a 5900x, 3080 FE, 32GB of RAM, 2TB M.2, beautiful 1440p high refresh great everything else monitor (Dell S2721DGF) etc, etc, and I'm as happy as can be! That said, I'm using an Oculus CV1 with two sensors in a small-ish area, and I'm wondering if it's time to upgrade the VR setup. I primarily play Beat Saber, which this has been pretty good for (though I swear my camera setup isn't ideal, though I can S rank on Expert+ sometimes, so probably good enough), but I do want to expand what I try now that I have a great machine.

Primary question - is the Quest 2 worth it, or is there something on the horizon that I should wait for? I'm fine with waiting until summer of next year at the latest if there's something worthwhile (I can stay busy with so much else), but if there's no clear answer on the horizon, isn't $300 for an upgrade (Quest 2 is an upgrade over CV1, yeah?) worth it? I only want to play games via Steam, so I'd need the link cable, but I believe I read that the entire process is way better now. Last question on that note, can I play my modded Beat Saber (Mod Tools route) via Steam, on the Quest 2?

Any insight would be awesome, thanks!

[neon basin]

Can I do something about rift controller squeaking on the trigger?

[wooden ember]

seriously I have no real idea bout the problem but I think some greese maybe (like the one used in joystick?)

[haughty thistle]

When you run the Quest 2 as a PCVR headset, it just acts like a Rift Headset, so nothing to worry about that.
The Quest 2 requires you to be logged into Facebook at all times. If you haven't done so already, you'd need to merge your Oculus account with a Facebook account to use the Quest 2.
Besides that, the Quest 2 would only really give you less Screen Door Effect and better lenses. Other then that, you'd want a better headstrap and your own pair of headphones to not make it a side-step...

[burnt vault]

I've got Google Pixel Buds a (solid sound), and a really nice pair of cans, though I doubt I could wear those. Fine with buying a better strap if needed.

Facebook is already linked as well, hate the company, but not enough to be a rebel.

[haughty thistle]

You'd not wanna use Bluetooth headphones with VR. The latency is just too big

[burnt vault]

Huh, wouldn't have thought it that bad.

[haughty thistle]

Roughly 100-400ms (depending on the headphones and Bluetooth transmitter). Video players on phones and Windows measure the roundtrip latency and then delay the video playback by half of that to sync the video with the audio. Real time content, like games or live streams can't do that and thus, you notice the latency only there.
Windows often adds so e extra latency on top, because of how it processes Bluetooth audio compared to Android, iOS or macOS

100ms may be just barely small enough to be not too noticable, but 400 is almost half a second, and the majority of headphones fall into the latter camp...

[burnt vault]

Good to know, 100 I could probably swing, 400 would be a nightmare, especially for Beat Saber.

So what's a good solution, and where do non-BT headphones plug in, to the Quest 2 directly?

[haughty thistle]

Yup. The Quest 2 has a headphone jack (would you believe it xD)
I usually use my main gaming pair for VR. It's a Sennheiser Game one headset. Being open back probably helps a lot in regards to immersion as the soundstage is larger.
In general, I'd recommend open-backs for VR. They may not isolate as much from the outside world, but like I mentioned, I feel more immersed with those then with my other pairs (Sony WH-1000XM3, Bose QC35; both wired ofc)

@burnt vault whatever you end up getting, I'd recommend a pair with a detachable cable and then getting an extra short replacement cable. That way you don't have too much slack just dangling around your head ;)

[burnt vault]

Hah, XM3 are what I have as well.

I don't think I'd want to potentially ruin those with the amount of sweat I encounter playing Beat Saber.

I'll have to think on this more, as it definitely doesn't sound like a clear victory for the Quest 2

Another pro for the Quest 2, is that I don't appear to be able to record / share any gameplay at all, the "share with Facebook" button doesn't work.

I'm trying to build a streaming audience via IRL contacts, and something as simple as sharing that footage live / after would do wonders for the initial push (already have a small community doing so themselves).

I don't know if it's a CV1 limitation, or ignorance, but it wasn't working for me.

[tawdry dove]

Waiting to see if the quest 2 pro or quest 3 will be announced next month is a good idea

Even if you don't get them and they do get announced then you still can get deals on the quest 2

[burnt vault]

For sure, wasn't aware of the timeline, so will do for sure.

[tawdry dove]

And if they don't get announced you get the peace of mind that you still have a few more months before something new and shiny comes out for a similar price

[burnt vault]

Better lenses could be nice for higher-end games, as the GPU will definitely push it and I've never seen high-def VR before.

I'm completely willing to wait months, there's like no rush.

I just don't want to wait X years, like I usually do.

[tawdry dove]

It won't be too long now

[burnt vault]

Awesome - thanks for all the info, plenty to work with.

[haughty thistle]

The Full resolution of the Quest is not available in PCVR. Just keep that in mind when comparing specs. The image will probably look clearer, as it has less SDE (due to the higher res), but it's not like with the Reverb G2, where you have that super high-res sharp image

[glad sand]

Aight gang I need a sh*t ton of help: will send screenshots later this evening when I am able to plug it back into it, but I'm using an Index with both a 3090 and a 2080 Super Max-Q, and in both instances there is awful micro-stutter where the performance graph is perfectly fine except for tiny purple vertical lines that basically form a purple filter over the image. This issue can sometimes be fixed with a restart, but usually when that fixes it launching a game might break it again. This has been done on two different Index headsets and naturally two different PCs, both with the latest drivers on Windows 11. Lmk if anyone knows of a potential fix for this 🙏

[haughty thistle]

Could possibly be that Windows 11 is your problem here dude. Run Beta Software to get extra bugs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Other then that, those purple lines indicate issues during the compositing phase. I had a similar issue with my Vive Pro 2, where it would show similar behaviour with low framerates. Fixed it by turning off Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling. Dunno where you'd turn that off in Win11 though

[glad sand]

Unfortunately you may be right :/, thankfully it's being fully released in a few weeks 😎

I'll try updating Win11, that might help too idk 🤷

More updated drivers seemed to fix it on the 3090 but the 2080S is having the same issue with the newest one too so womp

[flat pawn]

I'm gonna hang onto windows 10 for a bit to let 11 iron out a few of its inevitable bugs and incompatibility issues

[tawdry dove]

I will wait till my next pc to get win 11

[thick escarp]

Hey, has anyone here played Fallout 4 VR? I just played around a bit, mostly because I own it for some reason and it had support for the bhaptics vest. And it seems kinda... badly ported? I mean, Bethesda is a huge company, I thought they'd at least give this some decent port. I never played the flat screen game, but in VR, sitting inside a power armour seriously impacted my vision, especially at the bottom part of the screen. All the control hints are obviously still for the flat screen version (click left mouse button, press some specific key, ...). And the navigation in the Pip Boy is a nightmare!

Am I doing something wrong here?

[tawdry dove]

Fallout 4 vr is just a bad port

[thick escarp]

Okay, so it's not just me. Well, what a shame. It actually looked pretty cool, especially the weird guns they have...

[rapid otter]

@haughty thistle gonna need your help

[sullen linden]

Can someone suggest a type c to c cord for the occulas rift 2?
A nice loooooong one needs to be cheaper than the quest link

[rapid otter]

So i played boneworks and filled the world with npcs in it to make the game run hard and i noticed my gpu usage doesn't go more than 80% because there gpu power (20% ) on the video engine ? What is it ?

[haughty thistle]

The official Link cable?
Like it doesn't necessarily have to be Type-C to Type-C though. What I use for my Quest is a 0.9m Anker Type-C to Type-A cable (the one officially endorsed by Facebook) and then a 5m USB 3.0 Extension cable from Ugreen. All in all 40€ for a pretty good quality cable set, that I can also use for other things like charging my phone and whatnot

[haughty thistle]

Probably CPU bound in that case

If the game only uses a handful of CPU cores, it may seem like you're not CPU bound, when in fact you are

[rapid otter]

Yes but i doesn't explain the 20 % on video encoding

[haughty thistle]

For example: if you have a 4 core CPU with HT, and the game only uses 2 cores max, you'd see a CPU usage somewhere above 25%

[rapid otter]

It lost 4% if i put 10mbs on airlink and gains 6 percent if i out 200mbs

[sullen linden]

Wouldn't type c to c be faster though,

[haughty thistle]

USB 3.0 is USB 3.0. That's all the Quest has on it's Type-C port

[rapid otter]

That was evenly spread on the 8 cores form 30 to 50

[sullen linden]

...was that a yes or no? XD

[haughty thistle]

Heck, you can even run Quest Link with a USB 2.0 cable. Although not recommended as you'd be running at the limit of the protocol maximum speed and thus stability is less then optimal.
What I'm trying to say is, as long as you connect your Quest with a decent Quality USB 3.0 cable, you're fine. You don't need a Thunderbolt 3 approved cable for it. In fact it might not even work at all xD

[sullen linden]

Crap i think i ve been using a 2.0 cable then

[haughty thistle]

Probably partially the effects of Quest Link there. Although it's probably doing the majority of the encoding on the CPU, it's likely that it's offloading some tasks to CUDA on Nvidia GPUs and OpenGL on AMD cards, to improve performance. It's for sure not using Nvenc, as the Nvenc encoder can only be used by 2 applications at a time (one slot usually taken up by Shadow Play), however I was able to stream with Nvenc, last time I used my Quest via Link

[sullen linden]

It keeps saying its not optim9

Optimized

[rapid otter]

It's not nvec

I can record while playing in nvec

[haughty thistle]

Heh... my cable says not optimal either. But that even happens when plugged with that Facebook endorsed cable directly into one of my USB 3.0 ports. My guess is in my case, the motherboard just doesn't give out as much power as Facebook wants and thus they declare the link as USB 2.0, when in fact I have all that USB 3.0 bandwidth available

[haughty thistle]

CUDA =/= Nvenc. Two spereate technologies. But CUDA often get's picked up as a Video encoding workload

[rapid otter]

Yeah

That's crappy

20% of lost perf on my 2060

[haughty thistle]

That's Quest Link for ya. Since there is no native video interface on any of the standalone headsets out there right now, the image has to be encoded and compressed to be transferred via USB or network...

[rapid otter]

Yep

But why can't my cpu do it

It's capable ? Isn't it ? Is it the same with VD ?

[haughty thistle]

I've already noted that the Rift S performed equal or slightly worse then my Index (way back before the Quest 2 though), and the Quest 1 performed about half of my Index.
My own more refined testing seemed to disproof this, but it still showed a significant performance loss on the Quest compared to the Index, and that with a lower render resolution...

[sullen linden]

So what cable would you recommend?

[rapid otter]

Interesting

Really interesting thank you

[haughty thistle]

Thing is, a GPU is designed for parallel workloads, and it's really good at that. Your average CPU is designed for sequential workloads, one task after the other (well each core that is). Encoding a video is a mixture of both types of workloads, but the majority is parallel work. GPUs turn out to be better at fast video encoding then CPUs, whereas CPUs shine in quality encoding, but they take much longer for that

[thick escarp]

If you have a really long USB cable, or worst case, two cables in a row that are not active (i.e. don't have a signal amplifier in them), you might experience problems. Maybe that was your issue?

[haughty thistle]

This is why Quest link uses GPU accelleration for it's encoding. It's to reduce latency

[rapid otter]

Yeah cpu tend to be stupid but strong gpu is more agile

[rapid otter]

Yep high quality i record at 12 mbs it looks crazy good

[haughty thistle]

Like I said, the combo I have is a 0.9m Anker Power Line (non-plus, USB 3.0 variant) and a 5m Ugreen USB 3.0 extension cable (the one with a second cable sticking out the amplifier with a micro-USB port for auxiliary power)

[thick escarp]

If you have more than say 3-4 meters (10-13 feet) in total, you should have a weird box on one end of the extension cable. That will amplify the signal. USB was never meant for really long wires...

[rapid otter]

If you don't have anything to add rn, I'll tell you good nigt

And hello @thick escarp

And goodnight too

[thick escarp]

Yep, hello and goodnight! Sorry I jumped across your conversation, I felt that poor demegor was somewhat lost with his question. 😉

[haughty thistle]

This! There are fibre optical cables without the need for an amplifier, but those start at around 70-80 bucks, so the offical Quest Link cable isn't really overpriced in that regards 😉

[rapid otter]

Yeah I couldn't help him myself

[sullen linden]

So can someone link the cable? XD

[haughty thistle]

Depends on where you intend on purchasing it. I for example could easily give you Amazon Germany links directly from my purchase history, but it wouldn't help ya if you are in the US...

[sullen linden]

Us xD

[rapid otter]

By thrillseeker

[coarse birch]

lolll

[coarse birch]

lmao I saw that on Reddit

my man running for his life

[bright inlet]

Love my job

[coarse birch]

you work there?

[bright inlet]

Yeah, I took the video

[coarse birch]

oooo nice

[rapid otter]

Sickk

[thick escarp]

So, I got the VR humble bundle just now. And it included "Until You Fall" on Steam, which is a pretty fun Roguelike sword fighting game. But I already own it, so I can give my code away, for free of course. Anybody interested?

[pale wagon]

id be up to try it!

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/6w9NY7pzv5Q

[rapid otter]

So i tried the airlink sharpening tool

Gotta say it's bad

Everything is just too sharp and ugly

Don't recommend

Pretty much how it looks

[tawdry dove]

Is there not a slider on it

[rapid otter]

Nooe

Auto on off

[glad sand]

Can confirm, Until You Fall is excellent 👌 . Sharing my Steam library with a few peeps and they've played more of it than I have lmao so it's clearly a big hit

[earnest vapor]

What’s the best vr headset Rn

[tawdry dove]

For what?

What budget

[rapid otter]

I never have enough of Boneworks

[formal willow]

boneworks really is just perfect

[rapid otter]

https://youtu.be/Aw98wwprcZY

[coarse birch]

ugh I would've liked the sandbox mode to be available right away in Boneworks tbh... I discovered yesterday that I have to restart the tutorial and throw everything in archives n stuff and then find a cartridge or something... ugh.. I played a bit the other day and got dizzy real fast so I would've liked the Sandbox mode to be available right from the start so I could get used to moving around and stuff

[rapid otter]

I mean you can get a full save for it

Also you only have the items you saved in sandbox

I have 100% and it's cool actually

[earnest vapor]

like

i mean i like the quest 2

i tried it at a friends house

[tawdry dove]

the quest 2 is not the best in anything except price and standalone

[earnest vapor]

im looking for a good pcvr headset

@tawdry dove

[tawdry dove]

the quest 2 is a pcvr headset as well

if you are willing to spend $1000 the valve index is a really good jack of all trades

[earnest vapor]

i know what

yeah i mean its quite a bit but

is the rift still viable?

oh its not even on sale

[tawdry dove]

unless you are trying to save a buck the rift is just worse than the quest 2

[earnest vapor]

ok

[tawdry dove]

it is better in no regard other than not needing to sign up with facebook

[earnest vapor]

yeah that facebook sign up it just

[tawdry dove]

hp reverb g2 is really nice

[earnest vapor]

is it steam vr supported?

[tawdry dove]

its only $600 and doesn't have any glaring flaws except using windows mixed reality

[tawdry dove]

yes

[earnest vapor]

.

what about the vive pro 2 headset with index controllers @tawdry dove

or just vive pro with index controllers

[tawdry dove]

the g2 has a better screen better audio and is lighter I am pretty sure

[earnest vapor]

i mean i dont want to spend a grand on a vr headset and i dont want to over complicate it

[tawdry dove]

but if you aren't willing to put up with a software that just doesn't want to work with you that you have to tinker with decently often then the vive pro is fine

do you want the better headset or software

[earnest vapor]

headset 100%

also i dont need to worry about pc specs (2080 Super, Ryzen 7 3700x)

[tawdry dove]

nice

[earnest vapor]

im just in the middle

i dont see a deal breaker

[tawdry dove]

yeah

[earnest vapor]

hmmmmmmm headset for 400$ thats a BID

and has 27 reviews about it coming early

by an ebay account made the same day

[tawdry dove]

there is also the pimax 5k which has a huge fov but the software is also lacking as well as the display having much less ppi

[earnest vapor]

i mean i think im leaning towards index because its pcvr and has full finger tracking

and it comes with half life alyx so more money not spent

but still 999$ is just a crazy price tag

and also the thing an index 2 may come out soon

[tawdry dove]

yeah

[earnest vapor]

such an annoying position

[tawdry dove]

yeah

[earnest vapor]

i mean what do you think

[tawdry dove]

even if people strictly want the quest 2 they have to wait a month to see if the quest 2 pro is gonna be made

[tawdry dove]

no idea

we are in such a cavity between any headset releases

[earnest vapor]

i mean i feel like i would be just quest 2 right now much bezos wants my data

[tawdry dove]

its zuckerberg

[earnest vapor]

sorry i really could not care they are both data hungry entrepreneurs

[coarse birch]

huh? you can put in a save file at 100%?

[rapid otter]

Yep

Follow this

@coarse birch

https://youtu.be/_2GtsurWVRs

It will unlock every piece of content

[coarse birch]

huh thanks, that's cool

can I still do the whole game if I have this 100% fine installed?

Like if I want to do what I guess could be called "story"

[rapid otter]

Yes

It's not an issue

Everything in the story is a just a suction of levels

And nothing is saved on those levels

And if for any reason you wanna go back to your old save you can

It's explained how to

[coarse birch]

nice, thanks

[rapid otter]

One thing

You will have access to the spawn gun

Wich allow you to spawn any item during campaign

[coarse birch]

oooo

[rapid otter]

(and in other levels i think )

But you shouldn't use it

If you haven't completed the campaign yet

Kinda break the purpose of the story

[coarse birch]

yah true lol

[burnt vault]

Is it possible to stream / record / "share" (after done) Beat Saber, with an Oculus CV1? I can't seem to figure it out.

[agile moon]

since the cv1 is not a standalone vr headset and requires the pc, you can record beat saber gameplay normally through obs

[burnt vault]

Record the game window, or do I use Steam VR gameplay view? It always seems like the window view is looking down a bit more.

[agile moon]

i personally recommend using the game window

if it looks down, i recommend getting Camera2 from Modassistant

there is a option, where you can tilt the camera up a bit

and it's smoother in general, which is good for sharing content

[burnt vault]

Awesome, I've seen that option, so will do. Thanks for the info.

[warm osprey]

Any thoughts on the Pimax Vision Artisan

[earnest vapor]

would it be smart to wait for the index 2?

[rapid otter]

I'm seeing insane memory usage.
97% of my 16gb is it normal ? Or has it happened to anyone. ?

In boneworks

[thick escarp]

I don't think this is normal, displaying VR will not really go too hard on your memory, even highly resolved skins will load into VRAM, not RAM. But you have modded the hell out of your Boneworks, right? So that might be the issue... But keep in mind: Windows will keep some memory "reserved" even if you close an application so it can start up faster afterwards. It will only clean up if it runs short on memory. So maybe you just had Chrome open with a bunch of tabs beforehand? The thing is: 97% memory used doesn't really hurt you, that's why Windows isn't cleaning it up. Swapping will hurt you, which is when the memory is actually out and the system will start writing to the hard drive instead, which is much slower. So you should keep an eye on if the system will swap, there are probably tools for that. But if you don't feel anything in game, I don't think you need to worry about what percentage of your RAM Windows claims is "in use"...

[rapid otter]

I don't even have chrome

The game was lagging as hell until I re load the level

Idk it if was the same moment as when the ram was at 97% i saw it after playing

Once i loaded back the level it was fine

[thick escarp]

Oh yeah, if the game was lagging as hell, then it's certainly a problem. Either a bug in the game or some mod.

[rapid otter]

I mean just the usual performance

[rapid otter]

Boneworks is full of bugs tbh

[thick escarp]

Well, it's a really hard concept to pull off, and there's only a small development team. They never intended it as a triple A title, more of a test what's possible, so I really don't blame them.

Who I do blame by the way are Bethesda for the BS that is Fallout 4 VR. I mean, I didn't pay a lot for this game, but claiming this is a proper VR port by a huge team of a full-size game is really bold. 😉 I just played another half hour of it, and am fairly disappointed. The bhaptics mod is pretty great, it'll make you feel walking around in a power suit, getting hit by bullets in the right spots, and firing different kinds of guns in just the right way, that is awesome. But the game is really lengthy in VR and the port is an absolute no-go.

[spare urchin]

I feel like they did it, just to try and help with their lawsuit.

[thick escarp]

Well, that, and there's always earning a ton of money for not much work. Pretty good reason to do anything. If people will pay it, just to experience Fallout 4 in VR... They did the same thing with Skyrim VR, but it works infinitely better! And honestly, had I not played Skyrim VR before, I would have been even more disappointed. Because most of the controls are very similar, and they just don't show them to you in Fallout. I had to guess...

E.g. holding "Y" for a while to bring up the menu... That's the first thing you need, a menu for saves, loads, and quitting. And they just don't tell you how to do it. And "Holding for a while" is just not one of the first things you try unless you did it in Skyrim already.

Sorry for rambling, I'm just mad at them. 😉

[green crypt]

Tbh seeing your pc use more then 16gb of ram when playing vr games even when you have 8gb vram isn't that weird vr really benefits from 32gb of ram or more

[thick escarp]

Really? Which games? I mean, I have 32 GB in my machine, but have not seen more than 16 GB used in games... Unless of course you are capturing or streaming or such things, that will probably use some memory. I would love to be wrong, because it would justify the amount of RAM I have some more. So maybe I just didn't check at the right times or with the right games.

Hm. I just googled a bit. Puget Systems writes that 8 GB memory is usually enough for current VR games. They recommend 16 GB for some headroom and future proofing, but I think this should be fine. Now VRAM is a different story! Crank your GPU memory as high as you can, them textures are crazy and about to get crazier in VR!

[haughty thistle]

Video encoding can be memory intensive. So I wouldn't be surprised if part of the memory usage is from Quest Link tbh
But I do agree that VRAM is generally more important for VR then System Ram

[spare urchin]

i hear vulve did a better job with their half life game. Like even their vr demo is fun to play. like all those mini games. especilly the bow one.

[rapid otter]

@haughty thistle i was recording (12 mbs on cpu) could it be why my ram goes crazy

[green crypt]

I mostly use vrchat and my ram hovers at 12gb a lot of times just for the game exe

Also normal ram gets used as vram at times for sure if you have less then 8gb vram for vr

[rapid otter]

Yes

6

And my ram is slow

Like a toyota camry

[green crypt]

Not that weird tbh from my experience also 8gb ram it's enough for games these days 16 is the minimum for games 32 is recommended

Vram is a huge problem people get rtx 3090 just because the vram 16gb vram is the sweet spot for vr games now

[rapid otter]

It a single 16gb stick of 2600 mhz

So if it stores some Vram on it it will be slow

[green crypt]

Get a second stick when you can and go dual channel 2600mhz isn't bad if you run intel. AMD is different

[rapid otter]

AMD

[rapid otter]

They aren't any for sale at a reasonable price

Gonna buy two sticks of 8

Cost like 120€ for 1 stick of my ram and 90 for two sticks of better ram

[green crypt]

That's inflated prices yeah

[rapid otter]

No just oddly specific ram

[green crypt]

Weird tho as 32gb of 3200 is less then 160€ here

[rapid otter]

Yep

Who knows

[rapid otter]

Do you guy know when is shared memory used ?

On the gpu ?

[haughty thistle]

When the VRAM doesn't suffice. Usually it's pretty noticable with severe frame drops

[rapid otter]

Maybe it's what happens to me

My ram gets full sometimes

Maybe my vram get shared

Frames drop cz ram is slow af

But when i reload the scene everything goes away, cz vram is flushed

Maybe i'm onto something

[gloomy crater]

Man I didn't think this through

I'm gonna be moving into a new house later this year, and the office I'm gonna be putting my computer and everything in is bigger than my current space. Except I didn't take into a account the fact that the ceiling is only 7ft. So if I try to play VR in that room, there's a 100% chance I'm gonna smack my hand off the ceiling and break either my hand or my controller.

[warm osprey]

what you could do is put padding on the ceiling and just call it "sound deadening"

[hushed pond]

impact deafening

[cloud hemlock]

Hey do any of you guys know a nice cheap but good VR headset. I'm looking for one to get. Hopefully PC-powered. Does anyone have any suggestions?

[tawdry dove]

Do you hate facebook?

Are you ok with using a headset that is fully wired up to facebook

[tawdry dove]

please

[hushed pond]

index (expensive premium pcvr) or quest 2 (cheap all in one decent vr)

pick one

[supple crater]

pick both👀

[supple crater]

no, it's not confirmed

[thick escarp]

@rapid otter Okay, so I just played some more with Boneworks and the haptic vest, and it's actually kinda fun. More than most games, Boneworks of course can detect collisions of my body with the surroundings, and that translates very well to the haptic feedback. There are of course the usual goodies (recoil, heartbeat at low health, feeling the weapon slide down your back if you holster it over the shoulder, feeling bullet hits, ...), but the real fun thing to me was that when I scrape by a wall, I can feel it. When I hit my body with a door when opening it, it's there. When I bump into things, it rumbles in the right spot, when I fall down, my hips vibrate... That actually shows how much the game does not rely on pre-programmed actions but just does the physics calculation in real time. Pretty cool.

[rapid otter]

Sounds so good

Being able to feel the game

[thick escarp]

For some reason, I don't find Boneworks particularly immersive. More impressive, but I am very much in my head... But if you do, I think this is actually a pretty cool addition.

[rapid otter]

I can imagine trying to escape and fell you hut a wall behind you stopping you 💀

[rapid otter]

I get really immersed because i play flawlessly, boneworks is like another body

[thick escarp]

It does take a lot of practice though to get the flawless experience in Boneworks. I finished the campaign now, and I still feel clunky whenever e.g. I try to climb up something, my legs and arms always get in the way. 🤣

[rapid otter]

When you climd on something don't close you hand unless (there's an handle)

Will make it easier

You can also try to slow mo 1x to help you

When climbing on something you don't need to use the stick that control the leg height

They will do it by themselves

Just when getting down or when it's a small hole you get in

[thick escarp]

It's fine, I don't think I'll shoot for flawless climbing in that game. 😄 But you see what I mean? If you need special hints for climbing, the game probably very realistic and cool, but tough to master because I would have to think about it first, which takes away from the immersion... II would describe it as "Boneworks is going for realism, while games like Alyx are going for immersion". Both can achieve the same "in the world" feeling, but it's easier for the latter.

[rapid otter]

Valve is a AAA game for all public

Boneworks is a physics sim with a story

Tho i wouldn't say one aims for immersion more than the other

In alyx you don't do what you want just the scripts

That's why I think bw is more immersive

[thick escarp]

I think that's a good point. I am not very used to playing games, and not (yet) fed up with on the rails story titles. So I am desperately looking for "what should I do next?" clues. That makes games like Alyx and even very simple-minded games much easier for me, and Sandbox-type stuff a little harder. I can imagine very well that it's the other way around after you have played a ton of scripted games in your life.

[rapid otter]

My dad was like you he loved Alyx but didn't liked BW because of the what do I do now

I didn't paly a lot of scripted games before, more competitive games

I like the sand box thing with just messing around in the sandbox

But what i like more is to play the levels but whit a different approach everytime

They are a ton of ways to do one level

I'm still waiting for the release of the multiplayer mod, gonna be so cool

[thick escarp]

Well, I thought it's the game experience, but maybe it's really just the age. 🤣 Kids of the 80s maybe just like to be told what to do and will not walk off the given path, kinda makes sense.

[rapid otter]

Idk maybe

As long as you have fun in BW or alyx it doesn't matter

I'm a gun fan maybe this too

Guns in Boneworks

❤️

[thick escarp]

Oh yeah, I also just don't care about guns... I guess that helps too, the gun realism is pretty spot on in Boneworks from what I've seen.

[rapid otter]

God damn it is good

Love it so much I'm doing yt vids about them (don't plan on becoming a star just for fun to show my friends)

Modded guns are even better

[wise crescent]

When it comes to guns I prefer H3

[rapid otter]

Understandable

Tho the cool things is that in boneworks you can use them

Against enemies

Do you play or ever played boneworks@wise crescent

[wise crescent]

I did play it through then got bored of it

And you can use guns against enemies in H3 as well

[thick escarp]

Well... "Enemies"... 🤣

[rapid otter]

🌭

Guns are really good in boneworks

And you have hands.wich i like better

[wise crescent]

You saying something that's shooting at you is not an enemy? xD

[thick escarp]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I actually love the whole concept. Combining something as serious as realistic guns with something as silly as walking hot dogs is just a great juxtaposition. But I understand that @rapid otter is looking for something more serious and immersive. 😁 You are just looking for different things.

[rapid otter]

Yep

And not having hands is something i find weird

Very good guns

[thick escarp]

I don't really care about having hands or not. In VR, the hands usually don't do exactly what my hands do anyways. Like, in Boneworks, if something is heavy, I need to move my actual hand much higher up, and the VR hand stays lower down, which works great as weight simulation. Or in Alyx, when reloading, my hand doesn't really do exactly what the VR hand does. I think I just usually don't look at my hands, neither in real life nor in VR, I just "use" them... So I don't need visual representations of them.

[rapid otter]

I love feeling the world with my fingers

[thick escarp]

Hehe, maybe you should try building some of these haptic gloves... They are still a bit too clunky for me, and I might not really benefit from them. But I think you might find them really cool. 😎 Something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJNX8JCDOc

[rapid otter]

I've seen those waiting for them to be better

I fell this in vr

[warm osprey]

Does anyone here have some experience with the pimax artisan

[rapid otter]

You know this experiment right?

[thick escarp]

Yes, it is funny, and explains a lot how the immersion in games and especially VR can be so great.

[thick escarp]

I don't think I have seen people in here who use it regularly. But I wanna bump the question, maybe someone knows a bit. @haughty thistle has a surprisingly good overview on some Pimax headsets...?

[wise crescent]

So in other words you have phantom touch

[flat pawn]

Not the artisan but the 5k super

[warm osprey]

And how does that work for you

[flat pawn]

For me? I love the thing

The only thing I'll warn you about is the fact that I haven't had a chance to compare it to anything in the same price range

I have only tried rift s, quest 2, and the 5k super

Two rift s that were mine

One old and purchased used, one new

My cousin's quest 2 I used just a handful of times

So I if you want to know if you should get a pimax over an index I can't say much about the index

Other than the controllers

What do you really want to know? @warm osprey

[warm osprey]

Mainly if you feel that it is worth the price premium

I am trying to get into vr, but I hate Facebook so my options are limited

[tawdry dove]

Reverb g2, pimax 5k, and index are the choices

[flat pawn]

Are you trying to decide on it vs index?

I have also not tried the artisan or 8kx

Though imo I'd probably take an index over an artisan

What do you value the most in a VR headset

[warm osprey]

I think the compatibility, and the refresh rate

Particularly the refresh rate

[flat pawn]

Compatibility eh?

Well pimax is a steamvr headset

So it's all good for pcvr

And the 5k super has the best refresh rates in a consumer VR headset

If those are your top features then I'd say it'll be worth it for you

Just a few things to consider though

You may need to try different thickness facial foams and/or mess with it a bit to find a good distance for your sweetspot

On a headset with such ridiculous lenses as these

You may also get lucky like me and barely need to adjust it

[warm osprey]

That and I want something on the cheaper side to start off

[tawdry dove]

Reverb g2?

[warm osprey]

I saw the artisan prices, but then realized it didn’t include anything

[flat pawn]

5k super is cheaper than the 8kx and you trade resolution for framerate

Reverb goes to 90hz?

5k super gets full fov at 120hz

Sacrifice some fov to go up to 180hz

Amazing option for beat saber

[haughty thistle]

Heh... Pimax and compatibility. Two words that don't fit together imo

[tawdry dove]

Does the g2 actually only go 90hz

[haughty thistle]

The large FOV just breaks games. The VP2 is in parts also affected by this btw

[flat pawn]

I know the g2 doesn't get super high refresh

Lol honestly yeah, I have played phasmophobia with the pimax

And at the edges of my vision sometimes there's some pop in

I mean entire sections of walls

Making me think I'm missing some evidence behind me

[haughty thistle]

I'd say the Index is a better Value then any of the Pimax headsets though you get a longer, better quality cable, a more stable headstrap, better audio and passthrough camers

[flat pawn]

Index has a good refresh rate also

Unless you're looking for really high rates and/or a combination of high refresh rates and fov then index is a better option

I wouldn't say pimax has compatibility issues though

You can play anything on it

[haughty thistle]

Pimax is weird. Like either it works for you and it's the best thing, or it just flat out doesn't work for you (like in my case). Looking at reviews, it seems like the vast majority is in the latter camp though.
If you want an HMD that just works, Pimax isn't for you. So much I can say already

[warm osprey]

Yeah I think the index is looking the best option tbh

[flat pawn]

144hz mode it has right?

Are there any compromises with it?

@haughty thistle

[warm osprey]

Yeah it does

Lower fov than the pimax

[flat pawn]

Well yeah

That's a feature of most headsets

Lol

For me I wanted a huge fov

Valued refresh over resolution

So 5k super was the choice

Plus the big discount they were offering helped

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Funny enough the Index at start runs at 90Hz, but it can go up to 144Hz if you set that in Steam

[warm osprey]

Don’t know why that wouldn’t be the default

[flat pawn]

That's why I was wondering if there were any compromises

It was "experimental"?

[haughty thistle]

The Index panels are native 120Hz ones.
My guess is that the Pimax 5k Super panels are 144Hz or 120Hz panels and overclocked in a similar way as the Index ones

[warm osprey]

Yeah I think that is the case

Lower res as well

[flat pawn]

The resolution count should be considered alongside the fov

What's really important is the pixel density

Big ass resolution but it covers so much fov? Means it'll just look like a rift s

That's what I can say about the 5k super at least

Honestly feels the same as far as clarity goes just way bigger

[warm osprey]

What I meant is that the pimax lowers the resolution and fov at 180

[modern totem]

I have a problem with rift s, its just too big for me, it never fits my head properly, I have to screw it as tight as possible, put the headset as close to my face as I can and put the strap on as hard as I can, its painful and even then I cant get the right view, sometimes I have to put something soft on my nose so the headset is higher so I can see clearly, is there a headband replacement for something like original htc vive
I dont care about the speakers

[haughty thistle]

Important are pixel density and fill rate. The latter is very hard to measure, but the Index is much better in fill rate then the Pimax from my experience

Rift S is similarly meh as the Pimax 5kS btw

[flat pawn]

Rift S felt plenty clear to me

Nothing amazing but definitely good

[haughty thistle]

Your IPD may be to small or large for the Rift S

[flat pawn]

Barely noticeable sde

[modern totem]

its not really my IPD, rift S just wont be high or low enough on my face to align with my eyes

[flat pawn]

I'm assuming 8kx has no perceivable sde

Or even the index

[haughty thistle]

Heh...

[modern totem]

and it wont stay on my head, if I look down its gonna fall down

[warm osprey]

Does the index come with base stations

[flat pawn]

If you order the full kit

Same as with pimax

[haughty thistle]

The 8kX is probably the worst in terms of SDE when it comes to the 3 highest res consumer headsets out there. Worse then the VP2 and Reverb G2

[flat pawn]

You can order pieces or a whole package

[warm osprey]

And that is a grand right

[flat pawn]

Wait why would 8kx have worse clarity than a 5k super

I misread

I know g2 is best

Or same as vp2

[haughty thistle]

It is better then the 5k Super. I was comparing the 8kX to the G2 and VP2

VP2 is better in terms of SDE then the G2, but the image looks sharper on the G2. So you win some you loose some

[flat pawn]

So is there any perceivable sde on any of those

[tawdry dove]

The g2 has at least top 3 highet pixel densities on the market

[haughty thistle]

On the VP2, you really have to look at a solid color and concentrate to see the grid at all, on the G2 they are a bit more noticable on solid colors, but still nothing you'd just see. The Pimax 8kX was the only one where the SDE was immediately noticable on solid colors and also the only one where it started to become noticable on gradients.
Overall, just don't get the 8k X. It's a pain to run, and you don't even get the next-gen resolution feeling you'd get with the G2 and VP2

[flat pawn]

For me the 5k super is just better in every way

[haughty thistle]

Personally, I'd go with the G2 if clarity and sharpness is all that counts, and the VP2 of you prefer a bit more FOV over a slightly sharper image

[flat pawn]

G2 has some drawbacks with setup and cost, assuming you plan to use knuckles

And fov is like a rift

Isn't it

[haughty thistle]

It is larger on the G2 then on my OG Quest and CV1. But isn't Index FOV if you're asking that

[flat pawn]

90°?

[haughty thistle]

If the Index is 120° (I'd just go off what I assume is my FOV) and the CV1 is 90°, I'd say the G2 is around 105°. It's closer to the Index then it is to the CV1 FOV

I'm bad at math derp
But yeah, what I tried to say is what I said in my last sentence.

[warm osprey]

Isn’t the index 135

[modern totem]

btw is it normal that I have a real trouble seeing for example the strap weapons in blade and sorcery with a rift s? just like my head wasnt close enough but I cant get it any closer

[tawdry dove]

G2 has 114 degrees fov

[haughty thistle]

Again, I assumed what my FOV in that thing is. Listed is 135°, yes, but if you can't pull the lenses all the way to your face (like in my case because of lens inserts), you won't get that full FOV. Headshape and alignment of IPD also matter

114° is the listed one for the G2, and if I'm close to the Index listed FOV, I'd believe that tbh

[flat pawn]

Also it matters if they're measuring horizontal or diagonal

Pimax says 200 but that's a diagonal measurement

[haughty thistle]

HTC measuring supposedly horizontal FOV, yet the HMD renders "only" 117.6° horizontal.
Still larger then Industry standard and larger then Index from my experience, but yeah... Tells you a lot about marketing vs reality

[tawdry dove]

Diagonal

[modern totem]

I also cannot see for example in VR Chat the mic mute icon, its just too far to the corner
to see it I have to literally push the headset into my face :V

[flat pawn]

You should be able to see the mute icon fine with a rift s

[modern totem]

yeah I can only see a part of it and have to push the headset to see it completely

[rapid otter]

Yes not to the point i can fell everything but i kinda fell my virtual fingers even tho it's a controller, hard to explain

[thick escarp]

Hehe, I just played another session of Fallout 4 VR, because the bhaptics mod is really amazing. And I think I get it now and was nudged in the right direction by the gun conversation with @rapid otter earlier. Sure, the game got a lot more lively once I entered the larger cities and I "found" the storyline I'm supposed to follow, I think the beginning is just a little lengthy to be experienced in VR.

But, most importantly: The guns are awesome and funny. All of them. For my personal taste much cooler and more interesting than all the realistic guns in Boneworks and H3 combined. So creative and crazy. That's what made the game enjoyable for me in the end. 😎

[rapid otter]

Nice 👍

Gun's dont have to be realistic

I love the banana gun in boneworks for exemple 🤣

[rapid otter]

The story and action need to come fast, if not it breaks the immersion a lot ...

How much is the game ?

[thick escarp]

Oh, I think normally it's really expensive, like 60€ or something. I got it as an extra, I think in the Steam summer sale, couldn't have been more than 8€ for it. So don't buy it at normal price.

[thick escarp]

Yes, it was 11€ in total for Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 VR. I had heard good things of both games and went for it. Now, it's 60€! 🤯

Never played either until a week ago. 🤣 That's how they get you...

[thick escarp]

Well, in both Skyrim VR and Fallout 4 VR, you can actually wander around looking at the awesome visual design for quite a while. My problem with both games was though that the inciding plot point felt very urgent (my son was kidnapped/there are dragons on the rise), and I personally would have gotten on with it much faster in real life. 🤣

[glad sand]

This may have been said here before but everyone should buy this: https://www.humblebundle.com/games/fall-vr-emporium-bundle?hmb_source=&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=mosaic_section_1_layout_index_1_layout_type_threes_tile_index_1_c_fallvremporiumbundle_bundle

$15 for 7 games, several of which are amazing. A friend and I bought them and played Arizona Sunshine, Until You Fall, and Wands, and all 3 of those are superb and easily worth $15 if they were on their own, but instead it's $15 for all 3 and 4 more games :O

[thick escarp]

I can vouch for that, and already got the bundle, that's where I got the extra "Until You Fall" code I gave away a few days ago. Arizona Sunshine and Wands are also great, and I own the Oculus version. Excited to try the extra 4 games.

Oh, has anyone here tried "Phasmophobia" in VR? How is it? I am thinking about getting it, because it supports the bhaptics suit, and I imagine it is pretty terrifying to go ghost hunting with a vest full of vibrators that the ghosts can trigger. 😉

[rapid otter]

60 is too much, if it goes on sale then maybe

[rapid otter]

I only heard good things about it

Never tried it tho

[thick escarp]

Oh god, no, don't spend 60 bucks on it! 15 at the most, I would say! It's an okay game, and the guns are pretty awesome in VR, but the VR port is very mediocre and the first 90 minutes or so are fairly boring in VR because you don't get the cool guns yet and there is a lot of walking around. Honestly, next time I would probably just cheat and spawn some cool guns via console commands right in the beginning, just so I can have fun with them. 😎 Still, you will spend 30 minutes essentially watching cut scenes with very little interaction. And don't forget that it's probably like 20 Gigs of download, which if I remember correctly is rough for you...

[rapid otter]

I'm a real vr enthusiast tho i really don't have that many games

[thick escarp]

Besides Boneworks, which are your favorite so far?

[rapid otter]

20 gigs in like 3 days it can be done

[rapid otter]

I really liked hlvr tho i only played one time the campaign then never opened it after, my other favorite was onward but the update they made broke the guns mechanics (you know me so i don't paly it anymore )

I own 4-5 other games and that's it

[thick escarp]

So you're mostly into guns and realism, I take it?

[rapid otter]

I want to buy phasmophobia, medal of honor, maybe pavlov, and a few others

[rapid otter]

Yeah since boneworks showed how it's done it's hard to switch back

I forgot to mention i loved lone echo (but like hlvr i played it only once for the campaign)

[thick escarp]

A lot of story-based games are built to be played once. Maybe one more time. But very different from wave shooters, roguelikes, or sandboxes...

[rapid otter]

Fact

[thick escarp]

@rapid otter Only buying Steam games, to keep away from Facebook? Or would you also consider Quest native games?

[wise crescent]

Phasmophobia is great in VR as long as you're not bothered by awkward hand placement on the objects you hold. They kinda broke that with the latest big update but other than that it's really fun.

[thick escarp]

Thanks! Will check it out.

[wise crescent]

And it's best played with with friends I'd say unless you want to be terrified playing it alone lol

[thick escarp]

Did you think about "Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners"? You might like that one. If it's on special sale, obviously.

[rapid otter]

On sale ?

I really want it

But on quest store or oculus pc or steam ?

[thick escarp]

Oh, I see. No, it's not on sale right now. But I have seen it on sale several times.

[rapid otter]

Damn i read wrong

[thick escarp]

Or "Sniper Elite VR"? That might also be your cup of tea.

Oh, "Phantom: Covert Ops". That game was a lot better than I anticipated!

[rapid otter]

From what I heard it's really arcade

[rapid otter]

The boat guy that kill people ?

[thick escarp]

Yes. It's mostly stealthy, but feels fairly realistic and immersive. Not much shooting, but kind of a cool game.

[rapid otter]

I also want to try storm land, damn my wishlist is hugeee

[rapid otter]

I want to try it to

I should buy a game in the coming days

Not sure wich

Maybe saint and dinner

[thick escarp]

Do you actually have them on your Wishlist in Steam? Because you can get notified by Steam when they are on sale. I would also recommend Saints and Sinners, knowing your taste, but I honestly wouldn't buy it at full price, it has been on sale several times now and will certainly be again soon.

[rapid otter]

I should have them on it

SN at full price is still good

[thick escarp]

Yes... But there is definitely a Halloween sale upcoming, usually for horror stuff, and Black Friday and then the winter sale over Christmas. I am sure that one of these is gonna have Saints and Sinners included. Of course, if you need it now, you need it. 😉

[rapid otter]

Yeah but like it's in 1 month+

I don't know if I'll be waitin

[coarse birch]

you're crazy

[thick escarp]

Oh, I totally am. 😉 It's pretty cool though, I just tried it. The game will usually make you notice a ghost in several ways, with noises and flickering flashlights and radio interference. And it was pretty cool to additionally feel it pass by your neck or brush by your side... I don't scare easily, but I did actually get some goosebumps at one point...

However, I did not get the microphone passthrough working. Has anyone ever tried that? Quest 2 with earplugs and Virtual Desktop? I unmuted the mic on the Quest, I set the Virtual Desktop settings to passthrough, the Virtual Desktop Streamer to "Stream Audio" and "Use Virtual Device", checked that the Windows default mic was forced to the Virtual Desktop mic, but nothing. The Windows audio levels on this mic will just display "0%".

My best guess is that if you plug earplugs into the Quest 2, the software will try to capture microphone data from there instead of the built-in mic? I will have to check if there is audio arriving in the Quest to begin with...

[thick escarp]

Yeah, the mic inside the Quest 2 is definitely working, it's no hardware issue. I can e.g. voice command search on YouTube. The passthrough on Virtual Desktop is just screwed up.

I mean, I usually don't need it, but I am currently at the end of my knowledge, and maybe somebody had that problem as well.

[prime widget]

I saw you guys discussing which VR game is your favourite. If I can mention my favourite it'll be Half-Life: Alyx. I doubt anything could beat that, except another Half-Life 😄 I am also a huge Half-Life fan!

[thick escarp]

I don't think you're gonna get much arguing out of us there. 😉 Alyx is amazing and definitely one of the best games out there. I had never played a Half-Life game before and absolutely loved it as well.

[prime widget]

Oh man am I jealous that you haven't played any other HL... you have so much to experience!!! Have you since you played Alyx, tried any of the other ones?

[thick escarp]

Nah, I have the two problems of "never having flat screen gamed at all, and not being interested" and "far too little time to do so because I am old and have little kids"... 😦 So I probably won't be experiencing them at all. In the summer sale, I got all the Valve games as a huge bundle, including the Half-Life and Portal games, so they are in my library, and who knows, maybe one day I will find the time to play them.

[prime widget]

I understand, whenever you get the time for them you are sure in for one hell of a ride 🙂 I re-visit them and play them through a few times every year, can never get bored of them!

[glad sand]

I've tried it, depending on your setup it's a little jarring potentially but if you've got your "VR legs" and are comfortable with your setup then it works well. I've just noticed that some people that have played it in VR with me get a little disoriented since the entire game is really dark and if they're drunk/tired and new to VR XD. If you're good on that, then playing it with a couple friends is a great time, can be absolutely terrifying for the guy that gets left behind or something lol

[thick escarp]

Well, I already went for it. 😁 And for a lack of virtual friends, there is now a singleplayer mode. So I was always the "guy that gets left behind". 😉 I have the VR legs, really enjoyed the game, and the bhaptics vest actually made for some serious goosebump moments, with the ghost brushing by my neck or side. But: For some reason, my mic didn't transfer properly via Virtual Desktop (posted that earlier). So I wasn't able to call the ghost. But hey, in a multiplayer I would have definitely been the guy left behind if nobody heard me. 🤣

[tawdry dove]

Supposedly the oculus rift 3 could make one last appearance

It's not the most likely thing

But it could be

[thick escarp]

Yeah... I don't know. Seems more like a throwaway comment from Marky Mark that doesn't commit to anything but gets the commenters to leave him alone. That's what it looked like to me.

[thick escarp]

@rapid otter If ever you want to pitch Boneworks again to someone who doesn't completely get it, you have to mention the slow motion. Never used it until now, and it makes shooting much easier and yourself feel much cooler! It's not a complete return to loving it for me, but it really does make a difference.

[rapid otter]

Wait

You didn't knew ?

They explain it in the museum

And once i told you to use it but certainly didn't got it at the time

@thick escarp fell bad not having said it earlier 😅

You can click slow motion 1 Time for 1/2, 2 times for 1/4 and 3 times for 1/8

Seems so logical to me i didn't spoke about it i assumed you knew

[haughty thistle]

Never used Slow-Mo either. In the heat of the moment, when it's most useful, I just don't think, I just point and pull the trigger. Whether I hit the target or not is a different story

[rapid otter]

I use it a lot

It's actually useful for more than shooting

[wise crescent]

I didn't like the slow mo that much tbh, made it more difficult for me

Everything feels "wobbly" during it

[thick escarp]

Yes, same here sadly. No thinking when push comes to shove. But keeping the slomo in the back of your mind is actually helpful, at least to me.

[thick escarp]

I saw that. But since in the museum, nobody was shooting back at me, I never tried it under pressure, and I didn't really see the point. I thought it just was there to make the gun firing look cool and completely forgot about it during the mission.

[rapid otter]

I use it to super jump, to aim better, to grab things more easily while jumping around and to fight in CQC

@thick escarp @haughty thistle

I think it's a key mechanic in BW

[thick escarp]

Probably, yes, it makes the game more enjoyable.

[tawdry dove]

Been playing a township tale with a friend recently

It's so incredible how natural everything in that game is

In the first day my friend learned 70% of what I learned in a months time

[sullen linden]

I have this ugly mirror in my game room (where I keep my htc vive and my computer and what not) and just realize the reason why the base stands bug out is because of the mirror. Problem is its wall mounted

I dont know what to do with it

anyy suggestions?

[glossy ibex]

Cover your mirror, with some blanket or smth.

[sullen linden]

I dont have any that will fit

[thick escarp]

Yeah, putting a nice poster on it or something would have been my go-to as well. Or a cardboard, with a post-it in the middle that says "Art.". Crooked of course.

[sullen linden]

I might put some primer on it and then paint on it

[thick escarp]

That might be harder than you think. Even primer is not gonna stick on a glass surface easily. It might be easier to actually try to remove the wall mount. Shouldn't be too hard.

Or mount the lighthouses to the same wall as the mirror, so they don't see the reflection. 🙂

[rapid otter]

I bet he can sand the glass and it will stick

Or get ha huge piece of paper and duck tape it on

[thick escarp]

Probably, yes. But that will ruin the mirror forever. If he wants that, he can just rip it off the wall...

[rapid otter]

So it's reversible

[thick escarp]

Yes. Poster, art print, cardboard, should all work.

@sullen linden I assume you aren't allowed to remove the thing entirely, because you are renting or something?

[warm osprey]

Get some tape, and then some paper

Problem solved

[thick escarp]

@rapid otter In load screens, Fallout 4 VR will always give me some info... Just got this, so here's an idea for you how silly some of the available weapons are. Most are kinda hand-made and just make use of what you have in a postapocalyptic land. And they are really fun to watch fire and reload in VR!

[rapid otter]

Lmao

That's looks so dumber so good

[sullen linden]

No it's just a pain and ass to move because it would require me to get a crow bar and pry it off, just don't want it to go flying and got all of my stuff

[thick escarp]

@rapid otter Walking Dead Saints and Sinners is 30% off right now on Steam. Because you thought about getting it? Or were you shooting for the Quest version?

[sullen flicker]

Hey guys, do you know what the difference with the official quest cable and this one is?

https://www.amazon.es/KIWI-design-Transferencia-Velocidad-Compatible/dp/B08BPDVBHF/ref=asc_df_B08BPDVBHF/?tag=googshopes-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=451950305249&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13946806771363855404&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9047033&hvtargid=pla-937341902111&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=108145205231&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=451950305249&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13946806771363855404&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9047033&hvtargid=pla-937341902111

I don't want to pay 99 euro for one cable, this looks like a good alternative

[haughty thistle]

The Kiwi one is 2 meters shorter and is copper, whereas the official one is fibre optic and 5m in length

[sullen flicker]

Will I notice it in game?

Like, lag?

[haughty thistle]

This just means that the official one is more flexible, lighter weight and more flexible

And like I said, it's longer, so you won't get tangled in the cable as easily

I'd say 5m should be the bare minimum for roomscale VR, 6m+ is preferable

[sullen flicker]

Makes sense, thanks!

[thick escarp]

You can still go cheaper with an active extension cable. But yeah, 3m I wouldn't do. I personally got a non-official alternative and an active USB 3 extension for another 5m. Works great, and was more like 30 bucks in total.

[haughty thistle]

This too. It doesn't necessarily have to be one continuous cable (although, granted it is pretty nice to have)

[sullen flicker]

Which one do you guys suggest

I just shared this as an example since it's the first I found haha

Also I will probably play vr in my small bedroom sadly

[thick escarp]

Well, both of us have ordered from Amazon Germany. 😉 That's why we could easily provide exact links for that. I got this one:
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0179MXKU8/
But probably getting any decent cable when you search for "active usb 3.0 extension" should serve you well. And then maybe a shorter USB C connection cable, so you don't have the amplifier box sitting on the floor but mounted to your headstrap or something. Be aware than any USB 3.0 cable longer than maybe 3 meters (10 feet) will have to be either active (with this weird amplifier box) or fibre optic (which is expensive, with converters at each end like the official one). Otherwise it won't work.

[haughty thistle]

The setup that I got is a 0.9m length Anker Powerline USB 3.0 Type-C to Type-A cable and an active 5m USB 3.0 Type-A extension from Ugreen. Serves me pretty well to this day, even if I barely use it...

So this pair to be specific:
https://www.amazon.de/Anker-Powerline-Pull-Up-Widerstand-MacBook/dp/B01A6F3WHG
https://www.amazon.de/UGREEN-Verlängerung-Verlängerungskabel-Signalverstärker-Repeater/dp/B01FQ88CE6

Sorry for the Amazon Germany links, but it's just where I happen to have bought them. I'm sure with a little bit of search you can find these on whatever Amazon location is local to you

[sullen flicker]

Don't worry! Thank you so much for the links

I sent a spain one so

hahaha

I finally bought my computer yesterday and can't wait to play vr games

[thick escarp]

The reason I barely use my USB cable today is that wireless gaming with the Quest 2 works surprisingly well now! If you don't have a good wireless router yet, would probably consider buying a 50€ Wifi 6 router instead of a cable if I were you. Gives you a very similar quality, but without cables! Just a thought...

[sullen flicker]

I have shit reception in my bedroom sadly

I might consider getting a router

[thick escarp]

Well, if you just get an extra router, it's probably comparable in price to a long cable, and I find it much more fun to play without a wire.

[sullen flicker]

My livingroom does have great wifi

[thick escarp]

Is your PC connected via Ethernet cable? Or bad Wifi?

[sullen flicker]

Ethernet

But like, reception on my quest WiFi is bad

What if I had my ethernet computer in my bedroom and played quest in my living room over wifi

That could work

[thick escarp]

Then you can maybe try it in the living room, and if you like it, place a router on top of your PC. 😁 As a bonus, you will have good Wifi in that room. Keep the PC on Ethernet though, just route the cable through the router...

[thick escarp]

Yeah, that will work fine.

[sullen flicker]

Nice

Thank you for the help again

[thick escarp]

And if you want to play in your own room,to not hit others on the head when they walk by, you can still get a router or a cable there.

[sullen flicker]

I'm always bothering you with questions lol

[thick escarp]

Sorry, gotta go. Will answer later if there are questions.

[sullen flicker]

No worries!

Thank you so much

[sullen flicker]

Really stupid question, does the quest still loose battery when plug into the pc

Or does the usb power it

[thick escarp]

I honestly don't know. I'm guessing it won't use up battery, but that's really nothing but a guess based on the fact that it won't lose battery when attached to a power pack while running.

[sullen flicker]

👍

[rapid otter]

I looses very minimal power most of the time

So should last for hours

[haughty thistle]

Depends on how much power your PC can output via USB. Some people report that their PC was charging their Quest while using it, while others (like me) report battery drainage during usage. In my case after a 3 or 4h session, I still had like 60-70% battery left on my Quest 1.

[sullen flicker]

Right

[haughty thistle]

Since I wouldn't recommend anyone go and have like 10h VR sessions, I think that's still plenty

[sullen flicker]

I thought it would act like the rift or vive and stay stationary

But yeah makes sense

To be honest I can't stay more than 30 minutes with it because I sweat a lot

[haughty thistle]

Most PCVR headsets require a supplementary power supply to function at all. Pretty much all PCVR headsets which only have one USB connector and no other power inputs (Rift CV1/S, WMR; Pimax's 6m cable) often violate USB standards as they pull more power then allocated to a USB port

[sullen flicker]

Huh

Thanks for explaining

The Quest 2 is my first headset so I don't know much about the topic yet

Back when I worked at a small computer shop we had a vive demo and my boss let me play with it when there was no one around

[haughty thistle]

USB 3.0 is designed to deliver 4W of power. Which isn't even close to what you'd need to run a bright LCD or OLED. For reference, my 34" 120Hz 1440p Gaming monitor pulls about 100W at peak brightness from the wall

[sullen flicker]

Yeah, that makes sense

[haughty thistle]

Again, the USB standard. There are extended standards for USB charging, but even that only goes up to 10W. For reference the OG Vive and Vive Pro pull about 18W at 12V from the wall. Vive Cosmos and Vive Pro 2 go as far as 24W btw.

[sullen flicker]

Damn

I didn't know it was this much

[haughty thistle]

I honestly don't know what the peak power draw of the Quest 2 is, but I can imagine that it's in a similar ball park due to it's high-res LCD

[sullen flicker]

Now I get why PSVR has so much cable and power bricks going on

[haughty thistle]

Well, the PSVR did more then just take in an image and display it. It also took in a secondary compressed H.264 stream via USB and showed that on the TV, if a VR signal comes in via the main HDMI port...

[sullen flicker]

It's impressive what they did with 2013 hardware

Really stupid question, I'm building my first gaming computer, yesterday I bought the parts. Do you think I will be able to do proper vr with Ryzen 5 5600x and RTX 3060ti?

[haughty thistle]

That's how Sony managed to have two video outputs on the PS4 for the PSVR, without actually having 2 display outputs.
Thing is, the compression circutry was already on the console for Streaming. Might as well use it for the VR portion as well. The PSVR came in later though. I think like 2016/2017?

[sullen flicker]

Yeah I think 2017

It was clever how they reused the move controllers from like 2008 tho

[haughty thistle]

True

The PSVR was a lot of trickery to make it work. I can imagine that Sony thought of VR though when designing the PS5. I mean, the force feedback triggers litterally sound like a thing they pulled out of their VR team to put it onto market earlier...

[sullen flicker]

Also sorry for all these stupid questions

I'm just really new at this and trying to figuring it out

[haughty thistle]

No worries man ^^
We're here to help

[sullen flicker]

Yeah the vr controllers of the ps5 look great

I hope my new computer and my quest can match it lol

[haughty thistle]

I just hope VR companies start taking comfort in VR more seriously, like the old Oculus, when they were working on the CV1 back in the day

The Index controllers might be number 2 in terms of comfort, but they are a far cry of what the CV1 controllers are in terms of comfort. Legit most comfortable controllers ever made...

[sullen flicker]

Is an index a worthy upgrade from a quest 2

I like my quest but sometimes there's lots of glare and blur

Using lenses inside the headset also makes them fog easily

And also I would love oled, black levels on the quest 2 arent good

[rapid otter]

@haughty thistle

Boneworks main menu

[haughty thistle]

Heh... If you find the glare on the Quest 2 annoying, you're not gonna have a great time with the Index. Trust me. Dual-Element Fresnel Lenses may have better optical properties making more of the image in-focus and allowing for more control in the lightpath, they are horrible when it comes to glare. The Index is probably the worst offender, closely followed by the only other dual-element lens HMD: The Vive Pro 2

[thick escarp]

Since the question got kind of skipped over: Yes, yes you can do proper VR with that. Should be no problem.

[sullen flicker]

Thank you so much

I was worried

[haughty thistle]

The only thing that can replace RAM, is more RAM

[rapid otter]

[thick escarp]

Oh wow, there is something wrong there.

[sullen flicker]

I know a bunch of early quest 2 had lens problems and I'm not sure if mine is

[rapid otter]

Main menu only

[sullen flicker]

Since I haven't had another ques to compare it

[rapid otter]

Do be seeing 100% usage sometimes

[thick escarp]

@rapid otter Or did you spawn 300 dudes in sandbox mode just to mess with the system?

[haughty thistle]

Could be. I think there were some weird colored splotches you may see in like your ceiling light being reflected in the lens. I think I remember seeing a video about it

[rapid otter]

Main menu

[sullen flicker]

I don't have these sploches, I know which ones you mean

But I do have lots of glare when there's something white with a black background

[thick escarp]

Light glaring here and there is okay. I usually see it when the screen is dark with some bright white font on it. But as soon as I am actually in game, I never noticed it.

[sullen flicker]

Otherwise it's fine

[sullen flicker]

Yeah same

Edges are blurry too but I assume all vr are

[thick escarp]

Exactly, that's very normal, just optical physics at work.

[sullen flicker]

vr headsets should invest in more FOV imo

It's the priority for me

It looks like I'm looking through... I don't know the english word

Those things you use to look far?

[haughty thistle]

Ok, then you're probably out of luck. Regarding the fogging up, my tip is to warm up the headset before use. Not too much obviously, but just making it a bit warm to the touch. A lens won't fog up, if it's warmer then the humid air surrounding it ^^

[coarse birch]

hon hon baguette

[haughty thistle]

Binokulars?

[sullen flicker]

By out of luck what do you exactly mean?

[sullen flicker]

Exactly!!

Sorry, bad english lol

[thick escarp]

Nope, there is something wrong. I just started Boneworks, on the Quest 2 via Virtual Desktop, with full resolution, so very similar to you. 4GB used in the main menu. And I have 32 to spare...

[haughty thistle]

There's nothing else you can do about the glare, other then reducing fogging. It's just an optical property of fresnel lenses...

[sullen flicker]

Oh yeah defo

[rapid otter]

Yep

But gotta figure it out

[thick escarp]

And a reinstall with your internet would take ages... I am guessing that there is some mod running wild. Maybe you have to update a MelonLoader or something?

[sullen flicker]

What are some good pcvr games I can try out? So far I've only played native quest titles

Phasmophobia is one of my favourite games so I can't wait to play the vr version

Maybe boneworks and blade and sorcery

[thick escarp]

If you have not played it, get Half Life Alyx. It is nothing short of amazing.

[sullen flicker]

Oh definitely

[thick escarp]

It is on special offer regularly, if you want to wait. But get it.

[sullen flicker]

I've played half life 1 but not 2

This is a bridge between the two is it

[thick escarp]

I never played a Half Life game in my life. Still loved Alyx.

[sullen flicker]

👍

Hope it runs good on my new machine

[haughty thistle]

Regarding the FOV, there are a couple of headsets out there that try to increase the FOV. Valve being too conservative imo. It is a difference on the Index, but not a substantial one.
Pimax is the next company that comes to mind, but their lenses are absolute crap. Noticable distortions even at the edge of the regular vision (not just in peripheral vision), issues with chromatic abberation, blurry in the center, etc.
Then there's the XTAL, but that one is pricey (like >8k$ for their 3840x2160 per eye model)
And then the afforementioned Vive Pro 2, which trades stereo-overlap for FOV

[sullen flicker]

I tried to run vr on my gtx 960 and 2013 cpu. It crashed my quest lol

[thick escarp]

I just found out that there is an easy engine port to play Half Life 1 on the Quest natively. 🤣 Maybe I'll check that out some time, just for fun.

[sullen flicker]

Is pimax that chinese brand with the funky shape?

[haughty thistle]

Yup

[sullen flicker]

Yeah, morrowind and doom 3 run natively on it too

Was Xtal the mixed reality one with resolution close to real life eyes?

[haughty thistle]

Personally can't recommend their HMDs. The opinions on their HMDs is basically binary. You either love them, or hate them. Looking at reviews, the majority is in the latter camp

[thick escarp]

I actually tried the Doom 3 port, for fun. The cutscenes are very weird. But the gameplay actually works.

[haughty thistle]

Nope, that was the Varjo XR-3 or the Reverb G2 (depending on what you meant with Mixed Reality). XTAL was that crazy chonker with like physical moving lenses and multiple clip-on tracking modules, etc.

[sullen flicker]

Varjo is the one I'm talking about, yeah

That's it

[haughty thistle]

This is the XTAL

[sullen flicker]

Damn I love the design

The thing I hate the most about the quest 2 is the ugly design

I hate it so much

Its a round blob. Give me squared shape visors

[haughty thistle]

Eh. Design is personal taste. I personally like the CV1 a lot. Nice clean design, yet also functional

[sullen flicker]

Yeah the cv1 and quest 1 are perfect

Also yeah it's personal test

[haughty thistle]

Quest 1 was a noticable downgrade in both quality and design imo

[thick escarp]

Hey, since so many Quest/Virtual Desktop users are present: Has anybody had a problem with their Quest mic not being passed through to Windows? I checked that it works on the headset standalone, it is not muted, VD settings are on passthrough, the VD streamer app also has it activated, via Virtual audio device, and Windows has the device selected correctly. But there is no audio arriving, a digital zero, not even noise. Anybody seen that?

[sullen flicker]

I've had lots of problems with the quest microphone on my PC

Back when I tried to play games with it, for some reason it became the predetermined microfone even if I don't have the quest plugged

So it caused me lots of headaches in places like Discord or Phasmophobia

[thick escarp]

Well, Virtual Desktop usually handles the audio devices surprisingly well, all automatic. And it's not the mic selection, that works fine, there is just nothing coming into that virtual audio recording device.

[haughty thistle]

Yeah. I have a similar issue on my laptop, except it's with the Speakers. The laptop has like some EQ software from THX and it makes a noticable difference to how the speakers sound. Sad thing is however, that ever since I installed the Oculus software, the default audio device is the Quest audio, and I have to fire up that THX control panel to change that back, or just not use it .-.

[sullen flicker]

I know right

[flat pawn]

CB I don't think the pimax lenses are absolute crap

[thick escarp]

Dang, that sucks. I disabled the Oculus audio devices in the process of bug searching just now, since I don't use Link anyways. But in my case, the device selection is really not the issue. There's just nothing coming into the device.

[flat pawn]

I know they don't work for everyone, including yourself

But idk if that makes the lenses themselves absolute crap

[haughty thistle]

Like I said, Pimax opinions are binary. You either hate it or love it

[flat pawn]

Just that they have too small of a sweetspot perhaps

[haughty thistle]

A well designed lens works for as many people as possible

As everyone can see with the Index and Quest ^^

[flat pawn]

And an absolute crap one works for nobody

[thick escarp]

Where did you guys all look through Pimaxes? It's not like they are everywhere? 🤣

[flat pawn]

Pimax is somewhere between

CB has had multiple come through his door

And I'm a happy owner of one myself

[haughty thistle]

I purchased a 5k Super, returned it the same day, then purchased an 8k X, spend a weekend with it and also returned it

[thick escarp]

I see.

[flat pawn]

I love my pimax I don't even need to wear my glasses with it

I can see clearly

It's miraculous

Or something

[haughty thistle]

If you wanna try out a Pimax by buying one and possibly returning it, buy it through Amazon. Pimax is going to deduct you like 220€ from the refund for like internal refurbishment and postage back to China

[sullen flicker]

I should invest on progressive lenses

[thick escarp]

Have you been burned, or did you just get the info beforehand?

[sullen flicker]

Are they easy to remove if I want to lent my headset to someone

[flat pawn]

First-hand experiences..

Plus browsing the pimax reddit I'm sure

[haughty thistle]

Bought the 8k X directly from Pimax. Worst choice ever

[thick escarp]

Hm. Nobody on the Googlenet seems to have my exact problem with the Quest mic on VD. 😦 I mean, I have a wireless mic in the basement that I could set up, but I hardly ever need a microphone, and in this very case, the mic with everything would be more expensive than my Quest. Feels silly.

[sullen flicker]

I wish oculus didn't have unnecessary bloatware

It should plug directly to steam

It would avoid so many uneccesary problens

[haughty thistle]

Sorry, it was 210€ not 220€, but still a lot...

Plus, I also had to pay the postage to their warehouse myself. This wasn't even included in this list

[thick escarp]

Well, it's not that easy. You have to pass tracking information and mic in one direction and the video stream in the other. And there are two options doing that, both pretty decently. I don't know why this should be marked bloatware or unnecessary...

[haughty thistle]

After some tough negotiation, they were willing to drop 60€ from that deduction amount, but 180€ is still a lot of money...

[sullen flicker]

I'm talking mostly about the hoops you need to jump through in order to access steam

I don't know how to properly explain it in english

I've tried steam vr on my quest at my friend's house (he has a great computer) and it was so complicated

[thick escarp]

Honestly, I don't feel like there is any hoop... At least with Virtual Desktop, it's really plug&play. The other way around via Revive is much harder (playing Oculus games on a Steam HMD).

But I found both ways to be much more user friendly than installing most mods for any game...

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of junk going on with Oculus/Facebook and their policies, but connecting to Steam was a very easy experience for me. It was a bit rougher like a year ago, where you had to create a developer account, unlock your headset, install SideQuest and patch Virtual Desktop inside your Quest. But those days are gone.

[sullen flicker]

Yeah idk I might be really cranky because the oculus audio thing

[thick escarp]

Yeah, we can all relate. 😄

[pale orbit]

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[rapid otter]

So test in tower mem at 75% to 80/ cpu at 25 and gpu at 60% or so ? ( ASW kicks in)

In arena meme at 60 cpu at 25 or less and gpu at 60 but no asw

In redacted i put 60 ford fighting 60 nullmens to test

And cpu usage at 30 % (can't kill that R7 easily) mem at 60 and gpu from 90 to lower because of asw

But atrocious lag and artificial

Because of asw again

The 99% mem seem to be ok loading screen and main menu when logging first

Also i know my cpu is doing good

No core got at more than 60%

I'll change my mel anyway cz it's slow as fuck

@thick escarp @haughty thistle anything you think about else that i can test or literally anything that goes try your mind ?

[thick escarp]

I think I know too little about what you have done to Boneworks (i.e. mods, configuration etc.) to cause the problem. And I know too little about how the game was coded. I would probably try a complete fresh reinstall myself. Or ask in the actual game forum if anybody has seen these problems with Boneworks. Maybe even the developers can chime in with an idea, they know their memory management the best...

[rapid otter]

They don't talk to modded people

The devs

I'm do a clean install sometime when I'll be able too

Good night guys

[thick escarp]

Good night!

[sullen flicker]

Night!

[blazing sable]

Do you think Rift S is worth buying RN
My Laptop (GTX1070) doesn't has any Type C ports. So no Quest 2
And I don't want it to be very expensive so also no Valve Index

[green crypt]

rift s isn't worth it as no spare parts at all on sale also you don't need a type c port for the quest 2 just a normal usb port is fine

also the rift s now also needs a facebook account just like the quest 2 so

[flint ridge]

If you have decent Wi-Fi you can use air link

[blazing sable]

Noooooo. That was also a reason I wanted to get Rift instead of Quest

[blazing sable]

Its not even near decent

[green crypt]

if you don't have an old occulus account you can't make one so you have to use facebook for anything atm if you never had one

[thick escarp]

I would still say that a decent Wifi router will cost you about the same as a 5m (15ft) active USB cable... If your laptop has an Ethernet port, I would recommend wireless, especially if you are running USB 2.0 anyways, there is no real benefit of a cable.

And yes, Facebook has got all Oculus products by the balls. 😫

[rapid otter]

Started downloading saint and sinners

🧟‍♂️

5 days to go at best

[sullen flicker]

It's a great game

I should play again someday, the physics are insane

Also, does anyone by any chance tried those vr lenses that work like glasses? My regular glasses fog a lot when wearing my headset

[rapid otter]

I think Chickenbread has some

[rapid otter]

Someone said physics 👀

[sullen flicker]

Yes they are amazing

It's so fun

Lots of stuff to interact with too

[sullen flicker]

Do you happen to know if they can be removed? Or is it a permanent installation?

[rapid otter]

From my limited knowledge they can

They kinda clip onto it

[green crypt]

vr optician lenses slide on the hmd lenses

[sullen flicker]

https://vroptician.com/prescription-lens-inserts/oculus-quest2/

@green crypt these ones?

so I don't have to put glue or anything? lol

I like to demo my headset a lot to other people

[green crypt]

i use the index ones but they just slide on and off yeah

[lofty minnow]

https://uploadvr.com/quest-pro-specs-controllers-leak

[thick escarp]

Yes, the physics are pretty cool. The weight of weapons, and the melee sticking into zombie's heads, and the climbing and falling. All pretty physicsy. Your kind of game for sure.

[blazing sable]

I think I actually did made Oculus for Samsung VR when S7 was launched
So I should be able to use it without facebook

[blazing sable]

Yeah has Ethernet,
But its USB 3 (Gen 1)

[rapid otter]

Nice

Got 15 mb download so far

Had no wifi for a while

And now a big storm so computer off

[thick escarp]

Well, if you are lucky, it will be just in time for next weekend...

[rapid otter]

10 days it says

Internet is at 40 ko/s

@thick escarp

[thick escarp]

Oh dang, that's almost as slow as when I was a kid. Internet like that and big storms, it really sounds like Southern France is a developing country... 🤣

[rapid otter]

No it's only me

All my friends have good internet

[thick escarp]

Well, I know you don't live in a wasteland, I have been there. But it sounds like it. Which is funny. 😁

[thorny maple]

i live in waste land for sure

[thick escarp]

It might actually be worth carrying your PC to a friend's house for a larger download. Go there, and download the game while watching a movie with a friend. 👍

[rapid otter]

So busy actually don't have time for it

But when I'll be able i will do this

[rapid otter]

6 pm go and try to play Boneworks

6:05 steam ask for my password for some reason

Can't type it because of my weird keyboard layout

No internet

6:30 Get one bar of data

Password doesn't work (it's the right one)

7:10 computer crash

7:30 log i to boneworks

7:35 start to play

7:50 time to eat

Fuck me

Worked all day to relax in boneworks

[gloomy crater]

So I'm tryna get back into VR. I've mostly played beatsaber so far, but I haven't even played that in months because every time I go to play, I find that they've just updated the game and all the mods are broken. So since I don't have the money to buy new VR games like boneworks or whatever, I'll just play addons to my existing games

The last addon I played was the bioshock conversion for HLA like six months ago. I wanna do more large scale story and exploration addons like that, but the workshop is kinda janky and it's not easy to find good stuff to play just going off of their filters alone

So if anyone's played any good HLA addons I could get a solid couple hours of gameplay out of, I would much appreciate it

[sullen linden]

Link cable comes in today, phasmo here I come

[rapid otter]

No i didn't, i never played any if you could recommend some actually that would be nice, try to find a half life alyx modding server/forum you may find more things

[rapid otter]

Tho you should get boneworks

[gloomy crater]

I totally will when I have the money, but boneworks costs about $4 more than I have in my bank account right now. The bioshock expansion mod is called 'return to rapture' and it's pretty good, but rather short, and has some pretty nasty bugs if you're unlucky enough to run into them

Like, whenever you die or load a save, there's a small chance it will break all the AI in the game and you'll either have to restart the chapter or fix it with console commands

[sullen flicker]

What link cable should I get?

Do you guys have any suggestions? I really don't want to pay 100 for the oculus one

[sullen flicker]

Phasmophobia is one of my favourite pc games, I really cannot wait to try it on vr myself! Let us know how scary it is on vr

[rapid otter]

I don't use a link cable.

I use wifi because it's the same price or cheaper or just free if you have a decent wifi 6 setup...

And it's more practical since i can play in the living room with my oc in my room

[sullen flicker]

That makes sense too, unfortunately my living room is always busy haha

[rapid otter]

My room is way to small for vr

So I'm obligated to use the living room even if it's noisy

[rough talon]

i like pc vr

i just sit there with great fps

[tawdry dove]

I just have a 3 meter high speed anker cable and that works fine, I would reccomend getting a bit more than 2m though, whatever you expect cut 20% of it off and that is your max range

[haughty thistle]

I'd say for Roomscale VR 4m is absolute minimum and 5m-6m is preferable. The cable is much less annoying if it actually has the length to lay on the floor till it reaches you ^^

If People complained about the cable of the original Rift being too short (4m), then how do people manage with a 3m tether?

[hushed pond]

idk man iv been running on a 2,3mx2,5m roomscale just fine for nearly 4 years and it alway has been plenty to me.
and im not your average casual user, i play with a index in fullbody to play mostly vrchat and pavlov, i do a lot of reckless things like handstand and flips and clocked over 2000h with both my vive and index combined

minimum for roomscale setup however is actualy minimum for a reason, anything below is too limiting

[sullen flicker]

is Anker a good brand?

i've seen lots of people suggesting me that one

also is it usb a or usb c? I don't think my tower has usb c so i'm gonna have to get a converter

apparently I can't share the amazon link because apparently it contains a racist word, even though the link is in spanish not english

[haughty thistle]

I was talking about cable length there, and the total cable length of the Index (including breakout cable) is 6m ^^

[hushed pond]

oh my bad, carry on then

[haughty thistle]

As long as you're using a USB 3.x cable you should be golden. One side has to be Type-C for the Quest, but the other side can be whatever (Type-A or Type-C doesn't matter). The official cable is a fibre optical 5m Type-C to Type-C cable, which is why it's so expensive. Being optical does give it the benefit of being more flexible and lighter weight.
The cable combo that I'm using is a 0.9m Anker Powerline Cable and an active 5m USB 3.0 Type-A cable extension from Ugreen (the one with the Micro-USB input for auxiliary power)

[sullen flicker]

nice, thank you so much for the help

I can get really annoying sometimes

[haughty thistle]

Just be aware, that the Ugreen cable extension doesn't seem to work well with longer cables on the Output, so make sure to get an 1m (or shorter) Type-C cable to plug into it. You can also go for other active extension cables, but I can't say of their quality (the first one I had just randomly broke after 2 months without even using it much lol)

[sullen flicker]

righto

thank you guys!

[sullen linden]

I'll say that it's a whole different story than just playing it normally, the lighting, shadows, and models are done so well

[sullen flicker]

Yeah I'm not really scared anymore playing on regular screen

But it must be insane on vr

[tawdry dove]

My room is about 3m on it's biggest size

Idk what his room size is

[tardy tendon]

Imagine having space like that...
In my standstill setup i almost reach the desk in front and side while my back is right up against the wall behind me

[haughty thistle]

oof

I have like Playspace De Luxe. My bedroom used to be the living room of a secondary living space that the previous owner attached to our house, so my bedroom is pretty big. Even with all the furniture, SteamVR reports my playspace to be 3.5m x 2.5m in size

[thick escarp]

@rapid otter Oh man, here's something you should tell people as well (in addition to the slomo) when they are playing Boneworks: When you die, stow your gun on your body!!! I always just held it in hand and it was gone when I respawned, so I had to fight my way back to where my gun is with whatever I had left, often times my fists. Which is really frustrating and unnecessary! Oh man, just stow away the gun... That would have saved me quite some headaches...

[rapid otter]

Man I'm sorry

I do it but i don't even think about it

[thick escarp]

Hehe, totally not your fault. The game should have mentioned it, really. Also, I am an idiot for only finding this out now. 😉

[rapid otter]

I can give you a few tips if you want

[acoustic shoal]

Which vr headset is best if ur using a pc

[thick escarp]

Well, if you don't, your gun drops right where you stand and you will spawn at the last savepoint.

[thick escarp]

Nah, I am almost done with the campaign, and I want to find out myself. It's more fun this way.

[rapid otter]

Ok ok

[thick escarp]

There is a lot of discussion on that. How much are you willing to spend?

[acoustic shoal]

I guess 200-300

Im not sure tho

What’s the price range

[thick escarp]

Honestly, this does not give you a lot of options. If you ask for "the best headset", it is usually in the 1000$ range. At this price, you basically have two options: If you are okay with linking your Facebook account to your headset, the Oculus Quest 2 is an amazing offer, but it is Facebook. And if not, you will have to search for some used headset. There is nothing new at this price.

[acoustic shoal]

Damn

What would u recommend

[thick escarp]

I would probably add that if you can wait another month, Facebook will be presenting some stuff. Maybe there is a free upgrade or you can get the last headset for cheaper afterwards.

[acoustic shoal]

Oh cool

[thick escarp]

But I would honestly recommend a Quest 2. I run it myself, it is wireless and works great even for PCVR. But there is the Facebook issue... You don't know what the Zuck is collecting on you...

I am okay with that, but not everybody is.

Sorry, gotta run, kids are crying. But I leave you in the capable hands of the other people in this channel. 😁

[flat pawn]

@acoustic shoal best bet is to actually wait a little bit right now, feels like there's an oculus announcement on the horizon for your price range

[rapid otter]

The call of the kids
https://c.tenor.com/0GJ-XEcYLfcAAAAM/wongwingchun58.gif

[acoustic shoal]

I was maybe thinking about quest 2

[flat pawn]

Not a bad headset for what you want but something better for the same price may be around the corner

[thick escarp]

I agree. Good choice. And if you can wait until the end of October, do so, you might get an upgrade or discount.

[rapid otter]

@haughty thistle discovered more things about airlink and how it works

Sum up some of the things i saw in the last couple days

So Airlink is in fact using NVENC

The reason why my gpu usage seemed to cap at 80% and video encoding was at 20 is well pure coincidence

The video encode usage is the nvec module of the gpu working

[haughty thistle]

Huh...

[rapid otter]

In obs i can use nvec at the same time but it raises my video encoding higher from 20 to 35 or so

[haughty thistle]

NVENC is it's own encoder and usually bypasses GPU usage graphs completely. So I still think it's CUDA usage, but whatever

Thing is, only one application (besides Nvidia Shadow Play) can use the NVENC encoder at a time

[rapid otter]

Is also saw that in some case where i get unbearable lag it's when the vram get shared even by a tiny amount it makes huge lags 100 ms avg

[rapid otter]

It doesn't seem like it if i believe my testing

I tried and yes you can use nvec twice

[haughty thistle]

Quest Link used to use NVENC. When you tried streamign in OBS with NVENC, while Quest link was active it would fail, same thing the other way around.
It isn't like this for a while now, and as the physical hardware on the Nvidia cards can't change, it has to be that Oculus stopped using NVENC. Remember, NVENC is using a dedicated encoding chip on the GPU that can only do so much processing before it caps out...
Here's how that error looked like (from this video here: https://youtu.be/AGScX_8plYw?t=258)

On that note, later in the video, Linus is talking about a "jello-y kinda effect" with Quest Link. It is much less noticeable now then it was back when I had gotten my Quest, but it's still there if you#re looking for it.
So yes, there are indeed still reasons to get a native PCVR headset over a Quest, if you can cough up the funds/are willing to go used ^^

[rapid otter]

Interesting

[rapid otter]

This is really the case, native Pcvr is rn the best

Two instances of obs

You can see the nvec thing load

[haughty thistle]

Have you clicked on record on both? Because LTT (and me when I had tried it back in early 2020) got the error only after trying to record in OBS

[rapid otter]

Yes you can see it on the graph

[haughty thistle]

That's curious...

Maybe it's only limiting to one application at a time...

Again, I don't think Facebook is using NVENC, more because of Latency then anything else. You can encode video on a GPU, without using NVENC, probably in a quicker fashion, if at the cost of image quality. CUDA and OpenGL are still used for this very reason.
NVENC is good for Twitch streams and video recording, where you don't want to load the GPU too much, but having the output in a couple of seconds isn't an issue either. Then again, I may be completely wrong here and there was an Nvidia update

If they are indeed still using NVENC for Link, then the experience on AMD cards must be significantly worse, as their video encoding hardware sucks in terms of image quality, so the only alternative is a custom encoder running through OpenGL on the GPU...

[rapid otter]

They may use a cpu encoding ?

Gonna send a vid

[haughty thistle]

CPUs are good for a good image quality encoding, but not for fast image encoding. I'm pretty certain they do it on the GPU, but like I said, they probably use the general compute interfaces of each GPU company to do so, rather then using the ready made encoders on the GPUs to ensure a consistent experience no matter the system

[rapid otter]

I don't believe they do, i wanna test to be sure cz this has been on my mind for months

True cpu encoding is neat gives superb quality, i didn't really knew to be honest of it's slowness

[haughty thistle]

Interesting... I found a spreadsheet by someone who did some extensive NVENC testing for Plex video encoding using NVENC, and it looks like depending on the GPU, the limit of sessions (aka how many streams can be encoded at once) is 2 or Unlimited, depending on the physical Die your GPU is using....
https://elpamsoft.com/downloads/nVidia NVENC NVDEC Matrix.pdf

It's too bad really, that Link is closed source, otherwise we'd probably have some concrete information on what the current iteration of it is using...

[rapid otter]

I'm gonna get one or two more app that record in nvec and I'm gonna try

[rapid otter]

Got my first 1% of download of saint and sinners

🧟‍♂️

[sullen flicker]

fck yeah

[thick escarp]

1% in like 5 days? Man, this is definitely a matter of "carry the computer to a friend's house"... It's gonna take half a year at this speed!

[rapid otter]

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