virtual-reality

[bleak night]

i have a friend who runs a cv1 on a 1050 ti daily, on amd fx even

she has no issues

[thick escarp]

Very much depends on what you wanna spend and some more preferences. Most people in here would probably recommend one of two:

1. If money is not a big issue, and you want the best experience when it comes to tracking, image, and controllers: Probably get a Valve Index. Pros: Great tracking and controllers, very good image quality. Cons: You have to install base stations in your play are and are cable-tied to your PC.

2. If money is an issue, you want the least involved setup and like some standalone and/or cable free playing: The Oculus Quest 2 is a great value. Pros: Works standalone, portable, no cables, very good image quality. Cons: Tracking is good but not perfect. And it's Facebook, some people really hate Facebook getting their money and tracking their data.

[open steeple]

Ghanks

Thanks*

[bleak night]

index has quite a few flaws though

varying build quality

badly designed hinge

not for wide headed users

subpar lenses

[thick escarp]

I know. But I have come to learn that people who are never here, just pop in and ask the one "best VR headset" question without any additional details want exactly three things:

1. Don't deter them from VR entirely by bashing on Facebook a ton or discussing minor details. They won't read that, otherwise they'd have watched some three popular videos on the subject. They want quick info.

2. Don't recommend too many different things. They want one or two options.

3. They want the "best average"... Which imo are these two...

[rapid otter]

The question rn is quest 2 or something else

If they want something else then explain afterward

But i rarely recommend headsets, i don't think I'm "qualified enough"

[thick escarp]

I just was really hit by the one guy who stopped by a few days ago, asked the simple question, and we kept bashing on about horrible data collection, and support issues, and breaking headsets, and company policies, ... And in the end, he just said "Alright then, I guess I'll not get into VR at all." and left. That is probably the worst outcome.

[rapid otter]

Lmoa yeah

[thick escarp]

I mean, you could have those discussions about any gaming PC. There's tons of data collection on Steam, and horrible experiences with breaking parts and bad support. But that's just what it is. When I built my latest PC, the motherboard and the PSU came DOA. Took me ages to figure that out and discuss with manufacturers...

[rapid otter]

Did you got refunded/new parts ?

[thick escarp]

Nope, all brand new. It does happen with motherboards, because they are quite elaborate nowadays, but the PSU really surprised me. The problem is that I don't (like LTT) have a couple of each at home so I can switch them out and see what works.

Oh, you mean, did they exchange it? Yes, they did. It was both obviously broken, and not by me. So I got new parts/refunds.

[rapid otter]

Back in your days

🤓

[thick escarp]

Wow, that's cool! It even had an ISA PnP slot on there, in addition to the old PCI!

[rapid otter]

Isa pnp ?

[thick escarp]

The long black slot on the top left. That pre-PCI.

[rapid otter]

Google image 😅

All right

Was i ever born when theses were around

Gonna ask my dad when he come back if he remembers

He has been into computer since the beginning of them

[thick escarp]

That's an actual photo of the motherboard I built in before this one. I was completely on Macs between then and about 18 months ago. Skipped the "Intel is on top" era entirely.

[rapid otter]

Fucking hell

It's not a consumer board

Is it ?

[thick escarp]

Oh yeah, it totally is. That's what consumer boards looked like.

[rapid otter]

That's a bad design

[thick escarp]

For USB and sound and network, you would need extra plugin cards.

Nothing on-board in the chipset.

[rapid otter]

Yeah

Looks uglu

[thick escarp]

Well, glass panels weren't a thing back then, so nobody cared. 🤣

[rapid otter]

Sexy board

400$ board tho

[thick escarp]

Hey, it had support for two different kinds of memory slots (on the right) and two different kinds of plug-and-play cards (on the left). Today, you won't find that kind of compatibility today!

[thick escarp]

Yep, that is sexy alright. But honestly, even today, I don't give anything about looks...

[rapid otter]

Better if it looks good

[thick escarp]

This is what my PC "looks like". You see the cables on the bottom right? Exactly, it's in a small room next to my desk. 🤣

[rapid otter]

This is an even crazier board, no holes for a cooler, guess why ?

[rapid otter]

Dope

[thick escarp]

No cooler, I guess?

But that board is definitely newer than mine.

[rapid otter]

It's for No2 only

It's one of the only 250 built

[thick escarp]

But it's a pretty fancy board. Mine was just cheap. I am sure there were cooler looking boards at the time, too. But yeah, since the arrival of tempered glass, motherboard looks have changed a lot.

[rapid otter]

Yep

I don't care about looks tbh

I can't afford to

This is mine

And my PSU cables are disgusting red yellow ect

But it runs

[thick escarp]

Looks fine to me. 😁 My case it closed as well, nothing to see in there.

So this is what it looks inside.

[rapid otter]

Damn

[thick escarp]

Had to install (and uninstall) an RGB software to turn off the one RGB thing in there (the GPU had some).

[rapid otter]

Looks good but cable management isn't the greatest 😉

My gpu is ugly no rgb or anything

[thick escarp]

The case sucks for cable management.

[rapid otter]

It's a chinese gpu

Cheap

Tho it's very good

More than most 2060's

[thick escarp]

That's what looks are all about. 😎

[rapid otter]

Yeah

I'm on the top 1% of the most powerful 2060s i think

[thick escarp]

Ugh. Did you do any overclocking?

[rapid otter]

Sure did

I'm 1% on userbenchmark

Not sure if it's like that in 3d mark

But still on the top part

[rapid otter]

Yeah got around 10% gain in one of the benchmarks, not really tried the others

[haughty thistle]

Usrebrenchkark?

[rapid otter]

Sure

I woke you up with that word

[haughty thistle]

Sorry, but that site is so $hitty, I wouldn't even use them to compare two cards of the same maker and generation...

I actually just had the time to catch up with your chat. I just saw that word and had to respond xD

[rapid otter]

I use it only to compare my 2060 to other 2060s

I was showing my results cz I'm low-key proud of em

[thick escarp]

To finish the impression of how much I care about looks vs. convenience... This is what my desk looks like right now. A KVM switch to toggle between my PC, my Mac mini, and my work laptop. An extra Mac keyboard just sitting there. And a monitor stand that I can quickly raise for a standing position. Looks horrible, works great. As I said, PC is in the other room, for noise.

[rapid otter]

You look serious

That's your son on the mug 😁 ?

[haughty thistle]

As long as your system works for you, that's the important bit. Like maybe 5-6 years ago, I was gaming on a 750Ti, because that was all what my parents where willing to spend on my system

[thick escarp]

Well, it's my work setup, I am in home office. Not meant for gaming. And yes, the mug is of all three of my kids.

[haughty thistle]

Why is the first thing I see the Air up bottle xX

[rapid otter]

Ho yeah

How are they ?

[thick escarp]

I don't flatscreen game at all, only VR...

Air up? Pretty cool, it helps me drink more water.

A little overpriced imo.

[rapid otter]

I do drink a lot of water it's good fro your health

Everyone should

[thick escarp]

But I don't change the pods for like two weeks or so... So it's not too expensive.

[rapid otter]

How much is one pod ?

[thick escarp]

The "Air Up" bottle you can plug a pod on top with different scents. So the water kinda tastes like it had some stuff in it (apple, or orange, or even coke), but it's really just water.

[rapid otter]

Until if could afford my system by myself i had a 2005 i mac

[thick escarp]

I think the pods are between 1 and 2€ each.

[rapid otter]

For two weeks it good actually

[thick escarp]

But if that gets me through two weeks, I'm okay with it. I think officially, they want you to change it every other day, with the amount I drink. But I think it still smells enough after 10 days...

[rapid otter]

You got some good stuff actually should be rather quiet ?

Mine sound horrible on the fan rattle it's broken, but i don't wanna change it

[haughty thistle]

I usually mix some Sirup in with the sparkling water I get at work. Tastes like real Pepsi or 7up, yet I only have this tiny little bottle sitting at my desk at work

[thick escarp]

Yes and no. The fans are okay, and the case is sound dampening. But it's louder than either the Mac mini or my work laptop, so I just put it next door...

[rapid otter]

Is the room ventilated ?

Putting in a closet isn't ideal

Also you can set a zero fan curve on your gpu made my pc way quieter

[thick escarp]

Sounds awesome. But when you hit your late 20s, you'll notice that drinking anything with calories in it will totally go right to your fat deposits. 😉 Honestly, when I was your age, I thought that caring about weight and having hurting limbs is for people who are 60 and over. I am 40 now, and if I go too crazy in Beat Saber without warming up, and I overstretch my shoulder, it will hurt for weeks. Stuff like that used to last for a day or two. Getting old sucks.

[rapid otter]

It's not age you are 40

I'm 16 tho i hurt my back for two weeks

Even if I do a lot of sport

[thick escarp]

See, that's the advantage of being older. 😉 We just built a house a few years ago. So, being tech-adjacent, I put in tech stuff wherever possible. We have a central ventilation system that will create air flow in every room. And in the summer, we can use the heat pump to actually cool the floors. This tiny room with the PC does not go over 22°C. Oh yes, of course I have sensors for temperature, dust, and CO2 in there. 😉

[rapid otter]

Damn

Nice

[rapid otter]

Older and wealthier 😅

If it's a cool roll you could try a zero fan curve i can help you set it up for your gpu

[thick escarp]

Well, honestly, when you are building your own house, adding cool tech stuff everywhere will make the difference between 650k vs. 620k euros or something. In the end, this just means that you'll pay off the house for one more year, which doesn't sound as bad...

[rapid otter]

Sure but to buy a 650 k house is something we can't do so that's kind of a question of money 🤑

[thick escarp]

Nah. We have photovoltaik on the roof. And I wrote a script that, when the house battery is fully charged and the PV is still producing more power than we need (which is often), the PC will turn on and do some mining on the card. And zero fan profile doesn't really work for mining...

[rapid otter]

Ho

Mining that's cool

Doing it for fun ?

[thick escarp]

I thought about it long, because I don't want to mine and use power. But when the battery is full, sending all the leftover power to the grid will lose so much of it (like, only half will actually get to the power company) that I might as well just do some light mining with it. I mostly did it for fun, but it actually racks up some 50-100€ per month.

[rapid otter]

Cool

[haughty thistle]

If energy companies would pay more for injecting power into the grid, it would make much more sense to give other people access to it, then burning it yourself. But as-is, Mining might actually give you more money, depending on the efficiency of your card :/

[rapid otter]

I'm gonna leave soon gonna go to class...
Sure was a nice talk, I'll catch you later ✌️

[thick escarp]

Well, we never built the PV for economic reasons, more for ecological ones. We basically don't use outside energy, with the heat pump being electric as well, so that feels good. But the "leftover energy" really doesn't make sense to all send to the grid, even for ecological reasons. At noon on a normal day, the PV will produce around 5-6kW, and the battery (20kWh) is already full. So taking around 0.25 of those 6kW to mine before sending the rest away did not feel like a bad idea...

[thick escarp]

Have fun in class!

[rapid otter]

Not sure

Hoping to

[thick escarp]

🤣

[rapid otter]

https://youtu.be/4IqGLhlAMSk

There's a new online mod for boneworks

There one was before but it was very bad

Can't wait to download it

If someone wanna play with me when it comes out ?

[thick escarp]

You already know that you don't want me as an incapable partner who can't untangle his arms and legs to save his life. 😉

Well, it's about time. Finally, the supermarkets here have put up Christmas decorations and shelves full of Christmas sweets. Aaaah, it's that time half of the year again.

[rapid otter]

Nah could a lot of fun, I'd love to

[rapid otter]

The most wonderful time of the year

[thick escarp]

@rapid otter Oh man, this was very tense right now. I played Boneworks for another hour before the kids get home. I just went through the dark sewers. All was good until I

1. realized I was keeping track of the pistol bullets and ran out of ammo for the automatics because it looked like I had plenty...
2. realized at exactly this time that I lost my pistol somewhere in the dark, didn't even know when.
   So I had to chomp through a bunch of the dudes with nothing but an axe. I am now at the next save point and definitely need a break to breathe. I hit my wall only once. I should probably turn up my guardian sensitivity for this...

[rapid otter]

Nice

This the boneworks experience

I never ran out of ammo during the story mod

There's more than 40k ammos in all the game actually

[thick escarp]

Yeah, I got really overconfident, because I was collecting a ton in the beginning. Then didn't notice that I watched only the pistol ammo (I know, rookie mistake), which was still over 1500. So I slacked off collecting all the ammo cases, I thought I would be good forever...

What I like most though is that on every new "chapter", I realize that the dude in the video scenes is Mike Diva, and that the narrator is Sam (from Corridor Digital). Makes the game feel like it was made by friends...

[tawdry dove]

If you under clock and undervolt then it's always efficient enough

You don't have to go far even if you have an old gtx 480

[rapid otter]

Ho yeah rookie mistake 😁

[coarse birch]

Hey, how does the microphone work with VR? Is it voice detection or push-to-talk?

[rapid otter]

Voice detection works

[coarse birch]

Is there still a push-to-talk option?

[rapid otter]

Is there one on pc normally

( I'm rarely on discord pc)

[coarse birch]

huh yeah everything (games/apps) has push-to-talk on PC now

Cuz I wouldn't want to mess around in Vrchat with someone else talking to me or something lolll

[rapid otter]

Ok

You can't really access you app while in vr

I don't think you can bind a key for push to talk on discord

[coarse birch]

no not in Discord lol I meant in games

[rapid otter]

I never played vr chat can't tell you

[coarse birch]

rip thanks tho

[rapid otter]

@haughty thistle do you know ?

He certainly knows

[coarse birch]

Nvm, I found on Vrchat's documentation that X button is for mute

[haughty thistle]

VRChat uses somewhat of a voice activation. It's basically like how it is in Discord by default. You can enable Push-To-Talk in VRC, but I'm not sure if that's desktop only, or available in VR as well...
Alternatively, as you mentioned, you can map a button on your controller to be a mic mute switch

[coarse birch]

Good to know, thanks! I'll be using it with VirtualDesktop anyways so I guess it'll work. If it doesn't I'll just bind mute. Mute switch is kinda a PTT

[chilly imp]

Quick question, if I use the Quest 2 to play SteamVR exclusively, do I need to login using FB account for the initial setup?

[haughty thistle]

Yes you do. If you want to connect the Quest with SteamVR with anything but ALVR, you'll also need to be logged in with Facebook all the time you're using it. With Air Link and Quest Link not just on the Headset but PC too

Well... since that was a bit confusing let me unwrap that a bit...

Setup -> Always requires Facebook login. There's no way around that as of today.
Any Application purchased from the Oculus Store will require you to be logged in on the Quest. This does include Virtual Desktop.
Quest Link and Air Link requires you to be logged in on the Quest and on the Oculus PC software.
ALVR is a Homebrew application and will work regardless of your login status on the Quest.

Thing is, once you've set up the Quest and enabled ADB on it, you can remove the Facebook login on the Quest, but it will turn off Quest and Air Link, as well as prevent you from running any Applications downloaded from the Oculus Store.
Hope this is helpful to your @chilly imp ^^

[chilly imp]

Thank you so much for the info, so in the end, FB account is still mandatory regardless

The Vive Wireless is so frustrating that I'm looking to buy a Quest 2 and play PCVR on it

[haughty thistle]

Have you put a fan on your Wireless Adapter? I, besides many others on the internet, have found that the Vive Wireless Adapter often likes to overheat. So even a small weak fan can help a lot and actually for me has solved almost all problems with it. It only goes to a black screen very rarely when I'm standing around for too long not moving in Beat Saber

[chilly imp]

Yes, that is the first thing I did. Active fan cooling, nothing to block between the headset and wireless adapter and only about 1m from the play space

From the log, this seems to be the problem

It is quite random unfortunately, it can be stable for days with 5+ hours of play time but can disconnect every few minutes like today

[haughty thistle]

Maybe contact HTC. This looks like either one of the antennas is having an unstable connection

Or you have wifi pollution in the 60GHz range (I doubt that though, unless you happen to have an 802.11ad router)

[chilly imp]

already send them an email asking for a solution, no respond for the last 10 days

[haughty thistle]

Hmm...

Sounds weird

I've heard HTC support not being the best, but they usually respond within 1-2 buisiness days...

[chilly imp]

They responded back from my first email, asking to send them a log. Then nothing else after that

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, HTC is kinda low on staff, so you're probably in a queue or something. Maybe send them another E-Mail and ask for an update

[chilly imp]

As for WiFi router, I have one in the room (AmpliFi HD)

The vive wireless signal mostly stays at 5/5 or 4/5 bar

[haughty thistle]

That ain't a 60GHz router...

[chilly imp]

Yes I know, just want to mention it

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, I was only mentioning it, as an 802.11ad (or 60GHz) router could potentially mess with the Vive Wireless Adapter, but chances are low that one might even have one...
Are you using any sort of extension cable on the base antenna?

[chilly imp]

No, straight to the PCIe card

[haughty thistle]

Weird...

You have an AMD or Intel System?

[chilly imp]

I am using AMD, R9 5950x

[haughty thistle]

Then it might be a Motherboard or PCIe Gen thing... Or maybe something totally different xD
I have made sure that the PCIe slot in which my Wireless Adapter card is installed in, is set to PCIe Gen 3. And like I said, other then the black screen issue, no other issues so far...

[chilly imp]

Tried with B550 and X570 board, same issue, also with swapping around different PCIe Gen 3 slot with no luck.

Sometime it would completely shut down and turn black, or grey screen, or randomly disconnect all controllers and trackers

[haughty thistle]

Same or different Vendor?

[chilly imp]

Same vendor from ASUS. B550F and X570-F

[haughty thistle]

I used to have these exact issues on my Intel system. And The Vive Wireless adapter is supposed to work better on Intel lol

[chilly imp]

So because all of that, might get the Quest 2 and sell the Wireless Adapter

[haughty thistle]

I have the X570-E from Asus. Pretty much identical, except mine has an additional 2.5GBit/s LEn port and built-in Wifi. So weird...

What BIOS version are you on? latest?

[chilly imp]

Yes, everything is up to date

reinstall Windows, disable DOCP/OC setting, nothing seems to change

[haughty thistle]

[chilly imp]

Disable DOCP actually make it a lot worse

[haughty thistle]

That's sooo weird?

[chilly imp]

maybe I'm one of those extreme case

Do you have experience playing PCVR wirelessly on the Quest 2? If so, what would be the best software to use in term of latency/image quality

[haughty thistle]

I don't have a Quest 2 (as I'd never create a Facebook account), but I do have a Quest 1 with an old legacy Oculus Account. Because it's a Quest 1, I hadn't had the chance to try out Air Link sadly. From what I've heard, Virtual Desktop (20$ on the Quest Store) was however a noticably better experience then ALVR for me. Whereas I had to crank down the quality all the way to 10Mbit/s for it to even play at playable framerates on ALVR, VD works flawless at 100Mbit/s. I think on the Quest 2 with Wifi 6 you can push it all the way to 125 or 150Mbit/s, but I'm not too sure... (Quest Link on the Q1 is limited to 150MBit/s and 500MBit/s on the Q2, tho more then 250MBit/s is not advisable due to stability issues)
One thing to keep in mind is, just like with the Vive Pro 2 + WA, neither the Quest 1 nor the Quest 2 will run at native res in PCVR mode. VD looks slightly more compressed to my eyes then then Quest Link, but it's only a fine difference. Comparing the Quest 1 with the Vive Pro 1 however, the Vive Pro wins hands down. This is because the Vive WA can run at a resolution slightly above native res of the Pro 1, and the Quest 1 runs at a resolution more akin to the Rift CV1.
I was always under the impression that the Quest 2 had a higher PCVR resolution then the Quest 1 (and this might still be true), but I have compared the "native" render res (setting render scale in both Oculus and Steam to 1x/100%) of my Quest 1 in PCVR mode, with the "native" render res of the Quest 2 from @rapid otter, and we found that both were exactly the same. So it might just be that the Quest 2 just has less compression artifacts...

[chilly imp]

Thank you, that great to know. I had some pretty good experience with the Q1 + VD before I upgrade to Vive Pro

[thick escarp]

The software will probably have less of an impact than the quality of your wireless router and house network, as well as how many devices are connected to your router at the time. I have tried Airlink and Virtual Desktop, both with a Quest 2. They both work fine and I couldn't tell a huge difference. With Virtual Desktop, you will be able to fine tune the settings a bit more, so you may be able to run it on less optimal networks, and you might be able to squeeze some more performance out of it. Airlink is more of a plug&play option.

[chilly imp]

The latency was about 30-40ms iirc, but that without using WiFi6

[thick escarp]

If you already have Virtual Desktop and know the settings a bit, I would probably use that.

Bonus: The streaming and starting of games has nothing to do with Facebook software. 😉

[haughty thistle]

Well, other then the licensing check when firing it up (afterall, without being logged in, VD stopps to run)

[chilly imp]

So back to Oculus for now I guess, can't wait for the next Valve headset

[thick escarp]

Having used the Quest 2 for a while now, I don't think it's a bad device. If you can live with the Facebook account and just use it for PCVR, it's hard to beat. And I don't miss the wire, not one bit. 😉

[chilly imp]

Well, FB is the only thing I don't like about the Quest, but if flawless wireless PCVR can be achieved, there is no other option isn't it.

[haughty thistle]

I'm just always mentioning the "not native res" part, as for me, the blurry-ness that comes with the lower-then-native render resolution always reminds me of when I'm not wearing my glasses and it kinda grinds my gears. I know everyone has a different opinion on that, so I'll usually leave it at that

[chilly imp]

Will increase SS in SteamVR help somewhat?

[rapid otter]

👍

[haughty thistle]

The resolution that is sent to the headset is limited to a fixed resolution (due to limitations of the SOC). So increasing SS in SteamVR probably only helps with AA, but not really with the blurry-ness.

[chilly imp]

That a tradeoff of wireless VR, but I willing to take it and not to worry about random disconnection

[rapid otter]

Actually once it's set up it's very stable

I rarely get disconnected

If you have anything to ask @me i always play in wireless

[chilly imp]

On the topic of Quest, is there any accessories that you recommend? Planning to buy from AmazonUS since the shipping is quite fast to NZ

and a WiFi6 router if possible, I don't need anything fancy. Probably only 3 devices will be connect using WiFi, other than the Quest 2

[rapid otter]

I have an ax55 from asus

Really good overall

Got it for 85 bucks actually

You need a good speed 800 mbs minimum i think

Just to be sure

The wifi goes thru walls perfectly fine

[haughty thistle]

It's not like 60GHz which get's blocked by your head, duh

[rapid otter]

You can get a head strap of face strap but i would recommend buying your headset first and see if it's good fro you

I don't need anything on mine

[chilly imp]

There are basically no accessories available for the Quest in NZ so planning to get it anyway

[rapid otter]

New Zealand ?

[chilly imp]

Yes

[sick lagoon]

does anybody know a game on oculus where you can travel to greek

[rapid otter]

Maps vr ? If it's on quest

[sick lagoon]

do you mean google earth vr

[rapid otter]

Yeah

[coarse birch]

I might buy my Quest 2 this week, oops

My gf is like "at least wait till christmas and buy it with the money you'll get then" but... I mean in the end 500$ rn or 500$ in 3 months is still 500$ in the end, nah?

I did tell her that my new cellphone was my last big purchase tho I think I fucked up guys

[tawdry dove]

$300 isn't too terribly much if you have a job

It's not chump change but it's not an lung transplant

Speaking of money I just go my free quest 2 silicone face cover

[coarse birch]

I have a pretty good job tbh

The Quest 2 is about a week of work tho

I make about 1000$/2w and Quest 2 tax in is about 460$

I have to go to the grocery store rn with my gf and there's a BestBuy right next to the grocery store

that has Quest 2 128gb in stock

I might ask my gf to go

[thick escarp]

I would not recommend running this natively on the Quest. Anything you get there will not look the way you want it to, just because of the storage restrictions. Google Earth VR works nicely if you have a gaming PC you can stream from. There is a version on the Oculus store, but it doesn't work well with the Quest, definitely get the Steam one and save you some hassle.

[coarse birch]

@thick escarp Hey sorry to bother. Is there a performance difference between standalone and virtualdesktop mode for Quest 2?

For example, would it be better to run Beat Saber on Standalone or Virtualdesktop mode?

[thick escarp]

Yes, there is a difference. Generally, on PC you will have a (albeit small) lag. So very fast-paced games might feel off. But the PC version, even if it is the exact same game, has much better visual quality. So I usually do play Beat Saber on the Quest natively, but most of the rest as PCVR streamed, because it just looks way better. Even with the video stream compression.

[coarse birch]

Alright, good to know, because Beat Saber might be one of the only games that I'd like to play when I'm not at home with my PC

So I might just put Beat Saber on standalone and the rest on PCVR

[thick escarp]

Nope. Talking to your girlfriend before you make larger decisions is the opposite of f*ing up. 😄 I mean, worst case you'll wait a bit longer but not make her mad by not telling her...

[thick escarp]

Yeah, that sounds great. I do have a couple of native Quest games that I really like and can take with me wherever I go.

[coarse birch]

Yah I mean I can't not tell her since we live together. I just don't understand her point. I know she wants me to take the right decision but like I said, in my book, 500$ right now or 500$ later... still 500$...

[thick escarp]

And there's a few exclusive titles that are worth it for me.

[coarse birch]

Oh nice, didn't know Quest had exclusive titles, good to know. I should be fine with 128gb anyways as most games will be in PCVR

[thick escarp]

Well, right now you are really pumped up and excited and want to get into VR. Maybe taking a short beat and calming down for a day or two is a good idea. If you still want the Quest, I don't think it's sold out by then. That's something your girlfriend will certainly understand.

[thick escarp]

Yes, 128G is plenty.

[coarse birch]

I mean I know I want it, I'll get it one day that is for sure. I've actually been wanting a VR for a longgg time now. Like I seriously know that one day I'll have one, so why wait. I don't have rent to pay, or electricity, or whatever actually. All I pay is my phone and I'm lucky enough to work for a telecoms company so my phone plan costs 12$ tax-in per month.

I guess I just have a "why wait if it can be done right now" feeling

[thick escarp]

Understandable. Middle ground is usually a good idea. So maybe offer her that you'll really think about it for another two days so you can be sure. Feels like she'll have to agree on that, since you came one step towards her. 😉

[coarse birch]

Can you mod Beat Saber on Quest 2 btw? (not in PCVR mode I mean) @thick escarp

I guess with BMBF?

[tawdry dove]

Yeah but it risks your account being banned by facebook

Back in the day you'd have to pay $500 usd for a quest 1 with 128gb of storage

[thick escarp]

Yes, BMBF works fine and has done so for me for almost 2 years. I have never heard of anybody having their account banned because of a modded Beat Saber, and a quick google search tells me that this is not really a thing. Yes, Facebook can and will ban some accounts, but you are at much higher risk if you use incorrect information or inappropriate posts or something... BMBF works great, and you should absolutely and totally mod Beat Saber.

[coarse birch]

Nice, I'll try it out then! I officially have my Quest 2 by the way! @thick escarp Only two things are: I feel like it will easily give me some sinuses headache because of the pressure, and also it's a bit blurry still (with any of the 3 presets)

I'll try it out with my glasses tomorrow to see if it helps

[thick escarp]

With the glasses, definitely use the spacer so you don't scratch your lenses. For the interpupillary distance, try to actually measure it and pick the closest setting.

Most importantly, for sharp images and comfortable fit, the Quest will have to be in the right vertical spot. Try moving it up and down. Also: Shorten your top headstrap enough. Most of the weight should be on there, not the "around the head" strap clamping the Quest to your face against gravity. I made that error for quite a while. 😉

[coarse birch]

how do I even measure the interwhatever?

And yeah I think the straps are okay but I'll readjust them tomorrow. I put the silicone cover and I get red kinda marks in my face after having the headset on for a little while

but it doesnt feel too tight so

[thick escarp]

With a rulerin front of a mirror. 😁 But there are also apps for the phone where you put a credit card size for reference and the phone will tell you.

[thick escarp]

Everyone gets the marks. 😁 It's a right of passage. They got way better for me with a replacement headstrap that had some weight in the back, but they are still there.

[coarse birch]

Yeah haha I might replace it, I'll see in a few weeks

[thick escarp]

You're in NZ, right? That's a bit far, otherwise I might have one leftover. 😁 Still hoping to go to Auckland around Easter for my sister in law's wedding, but I don't think you'll let people in by then. My kids also won't be vaccinated yet, probably...

[coarse birch]

Nope I'm in Canada

neighbor to "the land of the free" or whatever

[thick escarp]

Oh, I mixed that up, sorry. Still a bit far, I am in Europe. Parcel across the pond is about as much as the thing cost in the first place...

[coarse birch]

No worries haha. I'll see if the reg one is okay first, then I'll order something online if there's a major prob

Welp, I'm going to sleep now. It's 1h am here

Have a good day! I believe it is 7am for you

[thick escarp]

Yep, it is. Good night!

[rapid otter]

Sup @thick escarp

Woke up early

[thick escarp]

Hehe. Man, you'll get to know "early" when you have kids. 🤣 Mine are already in school/kindergarden. They usually wake up between 5:30 and 6am, so I aim for 5am myself to get some eMail done and have a cup of coffee before they occupy me...

[rapid otter]

I usually wake up at 6 to be at 8 and 7 to be at 9 to school

[rapid otter]

5 am ? Aren't you tired !

[thick escarp]

That's still real school, right? Not university or something? I kinda remember it starting fairly late in France, yes. I was there on an exchange program for a few weeks. Here, school starts at around 7:30...

[rapid otter]

Damn

Starts at 8 or 9 depends on your ,can i say agenda ?

[thick escarp]

It's all way better since my kids don't wake up too often during the night anymore. 😉 Last spring's lockdown was rough. My wife and me both work full time, so with having to take care of the kids all day, I worked 3am-8am and then 6pm to 10pm. No fun, and no time for VR left.

[rapid otter]

Time table i got it

[thick escarp]

No, not at all. I just can work whenever I want to, and my wife had to be in lots of meetings during normal work hours. So I had to take care of kids during normal daytime, and work early mornings and late evenings. 😦

[rapid otter]

Whooooo

[thick escarp]

Yeah, the pandemic hit people very differently. Single people got bored and depressed, families were never bored but struggled with workload... Oh well.

[rapid otter]

My dad and mom work when they wants

[rapid otter]

I was glad it happened

Not ppl diying

[thick escarp]

I get it. 😄

[rapid otter]

But i could reflect a lot on myself

And i did a lot more sport

[thick escarp]

Yeah, without kids, I probably would have actually enjoyed that as well. I am fairly good at not getting bored, lots of hobbies and sports to be done. But the two school/kindergarten lockdowns were really, really rough... Let's hope we don't have to go through that again.

[rapid otter]

Ho yeah

[tawdry dove]

Wowza

Looks like I am part of the modding community

[thick escarp]

You're an Oculus App Developer now, and modded only for debugging. If Mark Zuckerberg ever calls and asks you. 😉 I mean, you do have a developer account already if you patched the app, right?

[tawdry dove]

Yeah I'm a developer

I'll do it later I'm not home now

[thick escarp]

Absolutely worth it, the custom maps are not only over better music (in my taste), but actually often much better than the original soundtrack ones.

[tawdry dove]

I can now free myself of angel voices on expert+

[lofty minnow]

is it safe to install windows 11 now for vr?

[rapid otter]

I think tho it's not useful at all

[haughty thistle]

I wouldn't recommend running a pre-release OS as your main OS ever. It can be unstable, insecure and slow. Better wait at least for the final release

[coarse birch]

I've been running Windows 11 in the Dev channel since it released. I switched to the Beta channel last week, just to be safe. I've had a pretty stable experience so far. @lofty minnow

Honestly the first Windows 11 Dev build was the most fucked up. Taskbar wasn't working on multiple monitors and some other dumb bugs like that. Right now for me everything works fine and I am on 22000.168

[thick escarp]

Damn you and your recommendations! 🤣 I just thought I'd play some Lone Echo in my lunch break, to see if I like it. Now it's 6 hours later and I finished the game... 🤪 Will have to work all night... It's a great game, very moody and calm. Plays more like a Stanley Kubrick movie than like a game.

[rapid otter]

It a real gem

Personally i don't like finishing games fast

I played it for a whole week

Taking time

[thick escarp]

Me neither. The problem is that VR is so immersive and I am not used to being in a video game in the first place. So I am incredibly invested, really scared of dying, and will keep at it like a madman. Thank god for battery packs. 😅 I will then usually play the game again and take much, much longer, enjoying everything since I kinda know it ends well. 😁

[rapid otter]

You are lucky to be very immersed

It's a thing i lost a but as time went on

This is the reason ppl play

It's the stress and the relief that get you immersed

That's why competitive gaming works so well

[coarse birch]

What is avg battery life of Quest 2 anyways? Is the battery pack that useful?

[rapid otter]

Yes it is

0-100% two hours ?

Depends of the game a lot

[coarse birch]

The battery pack adds what? 2-3h?

[tawdry dove]

I have my own battery pack on it

Which should add 15-20 extra hours

[tawdry dove]

Yeah

[thick escarp]

The Quest battery will usually last longer than my gaming session. It is very uncommon to play VR for more than two hours at a time. But it happens. I mostly like the additional battery because it adds weight to the back and makes the headset more comfortable. Plus, I had a few power banks sitting at home anyways, this was not an investment...

[coarse birch]

Okay thanks, good to know

[thick escarp]

I think it can easily be a bit longer if you go to social VR apps, like VRChat or something. I don't do that, but I can see how you can easily spend tons of time there...

[tawdry dove]

Yeah my battery pack weighs almost as much as the quest which makes the weight perfect

I have another better one but it is actually heavier than the quest lol

[coarse birch]

Oooo I learned earlier that you can set the IPD between the settings

[thick escarp]

Yeah, and it holds fairy well. Luckily, I am dead on the middle setting anyways. 😁

[pale orbit]

apparently you can force the lenses in the quest 2 a bit further as well and get 69mm or so ipd with a spacer

[rapid otter]

As much as you want, i put a battery in my pocket run the cable in my shirt, i never ran out of battery on this one battery bank, i also use a lighter one sometimes... I recommend 5-6 thousands mAh should be good for 2-3 hour

[glad sand]

How much should I pay for Reverb G2s?

[tawdry dove]

Msrp

Or lower preferably

[glad sand]

Yeah nah I'm definitely not paying close to MSRP that's hella bread lol, looking at something open box/used, new is fine too if the price is right, ideally <$400 is what I was thinking but idk if that's too low/high

Also actually, does anyone know if multiple Reverb G2's next to each other will have tracking issues with the controllers? Seems like the controllers rely on light tracking and they look the same so 🤷

[rapid otter]

It uses acceleratometers and tilt sensors

[haughty thistle]

WMR encodes some data in the controller tracking LEDs and can thus find just the controllers that are paired to the headset/PC.
TL;DR: Yes you can use multiple G2s in one room

[rapid otter]

Or however it's called

[haughty thistle]

Same applies to the Quest/Quest 2 and Rift S. Afaik the only headset you have to be careful using multiple of in the same room is the Rift CV1 and Rift DK2

[glad sand]

The OG Vive is pretty unhappy with tracking multiple in the same room sometimes too, it works eventually just takes a while and sometimes derps out 🤷 . Hoping the Reverb G2 is better in that regard so we don't have to use it with Vive controllers or something of that nature 😉 . Any other potential caveats with the G2?

[haughty thistle]

Never heard of that with the Vive. The Lighthouse system is designed from the ground up as an arcade-compatible system. Each lighthouse tracked devices is tracking completely on it's own and only needs to receive the IR pulses from the lighthouses (which also passively work on their own)

The only downsides I see with the G2 are the limited tracking area (it can't see the controllers down by your hip for example) and the lack of touch sensitivity on the controller buttons. Both only really affecting social VR titles

For an arcade or business, it might be of note that the back foam of the G2 is not removable, only the facial interface (which is attached using magnets)

[thick escarp]

Asgard's Wrath...
I just played some Asgard's Wrath, and can very much recommend it if you find it on sale somewhere. In the beginning, it is a lot of watching and not enough doing for my taste. But it looks and feels very epic and amazing. It's no Alyx, and the story feels a bit more basic so far, but the visual design is definitely up there.

[rapid otter]

It's free for quest 2 users

I want it but it's too big i can't download it

[thick escarp]

Yes, it's huge. I just added another drive to my system (which I luckily still had), just so I have some more space. For me, the biggest issue is that the main quest is apparently very long, like 40 hours. I will be at this for a month, probably. Afterwards, I can free the drive space again. 🙂

[rapid otter]

I have the space i think but my download speeds are so incredibly slow

For boneworks I needed 3-4 days

[thick escarp]

No VR gaming tonight. Gotta tackle my "wall of shame" in the basement. I just re-routed some Ethernet cables, and decided that enough is enough, I gotta rebuild this from the ground and do some proper cable management. Wow, this really grew over my head with time...

[rapid otter]

Why do you have so much cables ?

[thick escarp]

The floors in my house are separated by huge concrete ceilings. So I need 1-2 wifi routers on every floor. And I have a lot of house tech connected to the network, so I added another router per floor for guests. So I needed a decent firewall to put the guest IPs in a separate VLAN and manage the access. And then there's a NAS and some Pi servers, and central ventilation, and the heat pump, ... All with access to the Home Server... It just added up over the years.

That's why I'm mad that Linus is only now doing the research on what is ideal. I could have used that 5 years ago...

I want a smart home that doesn't use cloud servers. Which is a pain in the a** nowadays...

[rapid otter]

I just want a house

Nah jocking aside

Our house is very small one 2.4 ghz wifi is enough

I have wifi 6 but just for my quest

Nothing high tech in our house...

@thick escarp

[haughty thistle]

My room is probably the most high-tech in my home....

[coarse birch]

I don't have much tech but my room is def the most high-tech in the house

[thick escarp]

Well, just imagine you tech guys being 20 years older, building a house and deciding on everything. That'll get you to what Linus is doing, and what I did to a degree.

It's a hell of a hassle to add some things afterwards, like ethernet cables or more wall plugs, so you should just do it in the beginning.

I have lived in roughly 7 different homes. This is the first one that can even remotely be considered high tech...

[rapid otter]

Ho yeah maybe in 20 years who knows

My room isn't really high tech

There's a pc and quest

Pretty much it

Ho i forgot the broken leds on the ceiling

[thick escarp]

The tech affinity increases with every generation. Like, I am trying to get my kids excited about tech, electronics and programming mostly, and they are now building robots and stuff!

Look what my 6 year old daughter did with the leftover Ethernet cables... Built and programmed a laser maze with an Arduino in our basement...

Looks awesome with some fog and the lights off.

[coarse birch]

ooo so cool

[rapid otter]

Can you adopt me it's not too late

[thick escarp]

Nah, I'll send you the code and 3D models for printing, so in 15 years, you can build it with your kids. 😉

[rapid otter]

Fuck yeah

You are a good dad i can say it 👍

My dad isn't that much into tech

[thick escarp]

Well, my kids when they're 16 probably wished that I wasn't into tech but rather football or whatever. That's just how life goes...

[waxen plover]

is it worth it to buy the first oculus quest

as a starting vr

[tawdry dove]

Eh

It's cheaper but for around $100 less I believe it's just not nearly as good

40% or more slower

Heavier and lower resolution

[rapid otter]

I'd it's a great price it can be good

[tawdry dove]

If it's below $150 usd then sure

[haughty thistle]

The only two benefits of the Q1 over the Q2 that I can see are that the Q1 has proper physical IPD adjustment (and not just some wanna be 3 options thing) and the fact that the Q1 is using OLED. Maybe if you play a lot of Beat Saber, I can see the rubberised material on the controllers as beneficial?
But yeah, the Q2 is pretty much better in every other way.

Thing is, the only reason I'm keeping my Q1 and no one can separate me from it, is because the Q2 requires a Facebook login, which the Q1 did not.

[thick escarp]

Do you know if this is still true? For legacy accounts, sure, but iirc, any new Oculus account will be Facebook-linked, even on a Quest 1? And I think there was also a deadline for the Oculus only accounts until you will have to switch?

[haughty thistle]

Facebook can't lock out existing customers out of their purchases, just because the customer decided not to switch to a different account system. Either they have to refund me the price of the Q1 and all game purchases done for it or they have to continue allowing legacy accounts to login and play all their games and use the hardware to it's fullest extent, albeit with any Online feature turned off and being excluded from Multiplayer.
My guess is that the second case is going to happen

If they stop allowing login with legacy accounts altogether, you can be certain I'm going to court and trying to get my money back...

[thick escarp]

Yeah, I would guess they'll just lock out new purchases and online functionality. Which is fine by me. 😁

[haughty thistle]

That's what I'm guessing too

Welp... only time will tell. Facebook has said they'll keep Legacy accounts active throughout at least 2022, so we'll see what happens in 2023...

[thick escarp]

Yeah... They also said they would never force a Facebook account on Oculus products. So take it with a grain of salt. 😉

[tawdry dove]

Well if this recent anti trust act goes through then facebook could find itself without oculus

[merry warren]

I got the first dose of the moderna vaccine yesterday and now I cant play beat saber

[thick escarp]

Oh yeah, that'll do that to you. Got Moderna as well. The first dose I had a sore arm for a day and then again even worse about a week later, funnily. The second shot was more like a bad hangover for a day, but less shoulder.

[haughty thistle]

Heh... First shot (Biontech in my case) my blood preassure did a dipp for a bit. First time that happened to me actually. Safe to say the rest of that day I was basically useless. Arm was sore a couple of days after.
Second shot was only a sore arm for a couple of days thankfully...

But see the positive, rather not play Beat Saber for a couple of days then to possibly never play it again after an infection

[tawdry dove]

I got pfizer and it was almost fine

First shot was great

[rapid otter]

One day off vr isn't that bad, had a back injury, haven't played for 2-3 weeks

[tawdry dove]

Couldn't play vr though

The second shot was bad for me

Way worse than anyone I have talked to

[coarse birch]

Running VR games on Quest 2 from SteamVR, thoughts? I've seen a dude comment on Reddit saying SteamVR with Quest 2 and VirtualDesktop has some kind of weird delay that makes some games behave weird (Blade & Sorcery to be precise)

[rapid otter]

It has a delay but it's insignificant mostly

I don't know about BS especially

[thick escarp]

I would say that if you have really noticeable delay, your Wifi router might just be in over its head. 😉 Honestly, I can play Beat Saber via Virtual Desktop, and it doesn't really get much more sensitive to lag than that.

[coarse birch]

My router is fine I guess, I'm using the 5ghz

I havent had any problem so far, it's just that one weird guy that said SteamVR causes a delay

But when I have an option to start a game on Steam from SteamVR or in regular VR mode, which one should I take?

[thick escarp]

If you use Virtual Desktop, just start the game from there. Press the menu button, click on Games and pick it. That will take care of starting SteamVR and mapping the controllers and everything. You can't really run a VR game from Steam without SteamVR, so I don't know what magic they are doing in the background.

[thick escarp]

You will always have a delay when playing wirelessly. The Quest will track your hand movement, send that data to the PC, the PC will then render the image according to this movement and send the image back. This takes time. Milliseconds, but it is definitely a "delay" from your hand moving irl to your hand moving in the game. In my experience, it's not too noticeable.

[coarse birch]

Yeah but it seems like some of my games are not there

[thick escarp]

Hm, that's weird. I think I found all of mine. Are those special combinations, like non-VR games with mods?

[coarse birch]

Nope they're all from Steam

[thick escarp]

In any case: Running a VR game will launch SteamVR. I don't think it makes a difference if you start it from in there already or if the game starts SteamVR for you in the background.

[coarse birch]

At least that was yesterday, maybe they didnt finish installing and I just didnt notice

I'll see if all of my games are there later

Also is modding B&S easy? Seems fun

I tried it out yesterday and it seems like a super cool game

[thick escarp]

Is that on Quest or Steam? I think modding it is easy in both cases, just follow a tutorial. Pick a new one though, quite a few things have changed with the newest versions.

[coarse birch]

Steam

Yeah my friend talked about Nexus? I have no idea what that is but I'll check it out

[thick escarp]

It's a mod manager to easily download and manage your mods for a number of games. Yes, works pretty smoothly, can recommend. 🙂

[rapid otter]

Put steam vr shortcut on your desktop from here you will be able to launch all the vr games

[thick escarp]

Well, SteamVR you can definitely just start from the Virtual Desktop menu, no need for a shortcut. But some games need to be started externally when script mods are added. E.g. Skyrim VR with the script extension mod will have to run some scripts before starting SteamVR and the game, so that needs a shortcut on the Desktop for simplicity.

[rapid otter]

Boneworks mod works the same but i still can run boneworks from steam vr and the mod script loads itself and once loaded it launch the game

[thick escarp]

Yes, different script mods have different startups.

[rapid otter]

I love scripts mods make me look cool with the text and the colors 😂

@tawdry dove @haughty thistle how

[haughty thistle]

Ah yes. Had it worse on my VP2. Just one big pink blob when the framerate dipped. Cause of it was Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling lol

[rapid otter]

I remember i played boneworks at 150 ms for 2 days couldn't figure out what happened

It was an interference with Amd fsr

I removed oculus assw

The game do look better now no more of this weird screen alterations whenever i couldn't maintain fps

I think it's steam vr reprojection now and it's way better

It was annoying it always kicked in and made everything look bad

And my gpu was under used

@haughty thistle

[haughty thistle]

Yeah. SteamVR reprojection basically takes the last frame and projects it into the 3D virtual space, so head movement is still accounted for. I personally prefer it over any sort of motion smoothing (as that always causes weird distortions)
I'm glad you can toggle permanently between those two on pretty much all headsets. The only company that forces motion smoothing on your is Oculus. The Rift Software has a toggle for ASW (their name for motion smoothing) in their debug tool, but it only adjusts the settings for the current session. Restart Oculus and the setting is turned back to normal...

[rapid otter]

I did it on the debug tool

Seems to still be off

Gotta try latter

Haven't played for so long

[haughty thistle]

Tbh I haven't touched my Rift CV1 in a while, so they may have updated it. But it might also just be a CV1 thing that it doesn't save it :/

[rapid otter]

Gonna get a psu you guys know a good one ?

[tawdry dove]

Depends on wattage

[rapid otter]

Idk tbh

@tawdry dove

My system consume less than 300 watts

So idk i want it to be quite future prood

[tawdry dove]

Ok

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list/

[tawdry dove]

Scroll through the list and pick what you want

All psus on the list are good/guranteed to not explode

[rapid otter]

Yeah cz mine is a weird brand

I will use that one for my bench project

And buy a reliable one for my main

[haughty thistle]

THe one that I have is a Seasonic Focus PX-850, but as sad cruton said, as long as you buy from a reputable brand, or a PSU people can generally recommend, you should be fine

[tawdry dove]

Brand really doesn't mean much

Seasonic is generally reccomended but that does not mean they can't make a psu that has certain protections either broken or not working

In fact all manufacturers have at least one bad one for sale at all times

[rapid otter]

All right

Wanna change my non reputable PSU to a reputable

😂

[thick escarp]

Hehe, see, I threw in a superchat and Linus actually read my suggestion for a bhaptics vest review. 😁 Since some Floatplane people left because the guaranteed early access was cancelled, I was trying to send them some cash anyways to show support, but apparently, I can't upgrade a yearly subscription. 🤣

[coarse birch]

lmaooo

[thick escarp]

Let's see if they actually do it. VR is not really a focus of LTT, because the audience is still just too small. But Linus really likes it, so I am not losing hope. Maybe I will get a review in time for Christmas. 😉

[rapid otter]

Hoping so @thick escarp

[dusty vine]

any tips or DIY for vive cosmos

[haughty thistle]

I'd recommend building some support for the hinge. It's not strong enough to keep the HMD parallel to your face (it usually sits on there at an angle, resulting in a blurry picture towards the bottom). It will make the headset harder to put on, but it will improve picture quality.
If you have the money for it, and a desktop tower with a free PCIe slot, I can also highly recommend the Wireless Adapter. Not a necessity imo, but a welcome improvement

[dusty vine]

thank i have noticed that ill see what i can do, i am saving up for the wireless adapter almost have enough for it

[haughty thistle]

Do you have the Elite or the regular one?

[thick escarp]

Oh man, we just got our tax returns, and it is a lot more money than I anticipated. So I am not waiting for LTT and am pulling the trigger on a bhaptics vest. Boom. Gonna let you know how awesome it is (or not). But they also have face vibration, gloves, arms and legs. I will not get any of these and wait if LTT does a review and tells me which ones if any are worth getting. Thought about the arms in addition, because for archery and gunplay, those will add even more immersion.

[rapid otter]

Are you gonna get the 16 or 32 ?

[thick escarp]

Not sure yet. The price of the bigger one is quite high, I could almost get the small one and additional arms for that... 😬

[void terrace]

vr with a gt 730 is surprisingly playable

not recommended but playable

[meager cloud]

define playable.

[void terrace]

i meant to put in roblox vr at the end

other games = no

and playable at like 50 fps

[rapid otter]

At Nokia 3310 resolution ?

[tawdry dove]

fsr tho

it'll give you .5% more pixels on the 730

cause you'd probably want better framerate anyways

[glad sand]

Anyone have experience using 4x SteamVR 2.0 base stations for 2 Indexes? How well does it work? Would it be better to have 2 per Index isolated or have 4 per 2 together?

[earnest canopy]

anyone know why the quest 2 still has a 10mb avatar limit in vr chat

[rapid otter]

Perf i guess

[wise crescent]

I don't know about quest but on pcvr you can change the size limit if you want to see avatars with a larger file size

[haughty thistle]

It's no longer 10mb though. It's been 15mb for Medium and 20mb for Poor for a while now...
But yeah, the whole reason that limit (and other limits for that matter as well) exist, is due to Performance reasons

[haughty thistle]

There is no performance difference with how many lighthouses you use. If you decide on using 4, then blocking something (like a hip tracker for FBT for example) is much harder

[glad sand]

How many base stations max can you use? Are you limited to 4 or can you do 5+?

For 2 hypothetical Indexes in the same play area

[haughty thistle]

Theoretically, up to 16 2.0 lighthouses per playspace. But practically speaking, your devices will only pick up a maximum of 4 at a time. So using more then 4 lighthouses becomes kind of pointless as it only really has an application in multi-room arcade environments...

[glad sand]

This page I literally just found seems to indicate 4 max

So yeah your answer makes sense

Neat. Debating between an Index for $800 or an Index with an extra base station for $900

[haughty thistle]

The extra lighthouses (2 vs 4) only have a noticeable difference for things like Fullbody tracking and maybe if your playspace/room are weirdly shaped. Lighthouse tracking already is as accurate as it can be with just one lighthouse. With 2 lighthouses you already have roomscale tracking. A 3rd and 4th lighthouse then only helps with occlusion or really large playspaces hth

[earnest canopy]

wack

[glad sand]

@haughty thistle it'll be used for multiple Indexes in a variety of areas, it seems like 4 for one large area split in half with one Index in each is the recommended solution

[warm osprey]

For use with pc, does the oculus quest 2 still force you to sign in with a Facebook account

[pale orbit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733587391096553482/886680633290678313/Screenshot_20210912-203153_Reddit.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733587391096553482/886680633605247006/Screenshot_20210912-203144_Reddit.jpg

Quest pro

[coarse birch]

Yes

[thick escarp]

Honestly, to me, it just always looked like Oculus is running Continuous Integration software development. So whatever they are currently working on, we can already see in the code, only that it's switched off. It can be months or even years down the line until this is ripe for an actual release.

I have the feeling that Quest development is a bit over hyped right now. A good example is how everyone jumped on the "working on the next headset" comment Zuckerberg gave somewhere. All channels proclaimed that a Quest 3/Pro is around the corner. I just thought: well, yeah, I mean, what else would the thousands of employees work on other than "the next headset"??? This comment really just means that the Quest was so successful that they keep working in this direction, big surprise! 😉

So, I think we can actually see some good hints where the development is headed, but nothing really about the time frame...

[rapid otter]

Always wait until it's out

Facebook wouldn't have been the only company to hype a product which never get into production/ ended up different

[thick escarp]

I dislike Facebook a lot. But in their defense here, they really aren't the ones hyping it, it's more the media outlets going a bit over the top with extrapolation and predictions. 😁

[rapid otter]

You are like Chickenbread you hate FB

[thick escarp]

I honestly despise all of their policies, and most of their main products, like the website and Whatsapp. I really hope that they won't run Oculus into the ground, because it's a product I actually really like.

[rapid otter]

Whatsapp is great

I don't hope they run it into the ground( i don't think they will ... )

[thick escarp]

WhatsApp is neither the first, nor the best, nor the most comfortable messenger out there. Its only appeal is that many people use it.

[rapid otter]

Discord the best for groups but whatsapp is the best for small groups/ talk to 1 guy

[civic fractal]

Does anyone know if the Valve index works on rx 570? Its not a performance or preference question, its a it outright wont display video on an R9 card because of some drivers issues. and an RX 570 is the only alternative we have right now

[rapid otter]

Kinda low spec

You won't get full res/full frame rate i think

I do not own one so I can't be sure

Amd drivers and vr aren't best friends

They have been known issues in the past

Tho a new driver will certainly fix it

Or an older one if they aren't new ones

@civic fractal

How much vram ?

[civic fractal]

Its the 4gb, im not concerned about preformance, just on or of, the r9s outright wont display video. Weaker cards will still display

[thick escarp]

I don't know of anybody in here who has tried that specific combination. If you have the cards at home anyways, I would probably just suggest to try if it works. It probably will somehow, and you will have to judge yourself if the performance is acceptable. I mean, popping a GPU in and out is not that much effort...

I mean, first google result:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamVR/comments/ds15ga/valve_index_on_rx_570/

So yeah, it'll probably run it. But you might not want to if you are prone to motion sickness at lower frame rates...

[civic fractal]

I saw that post, it says the r9s can too lol, i dont have the rx 570 on hand its 2 hours away, thats why im trying to find out

Gf stuck in canada cause of covid, when she can come home i have a 5600 xt

So just trying to find a placeholder for her

[thick escarp]

To what end? Do you want to actually run games on this card for an extended time? Then I don't think it's a good idea. If the frames drag as soon as you move your head too quickly, you'll lose a lot of the VR immersion and fun...

[civic fractal]

To run whatever it will

Dropped a grand on a vr headset, "sucks to suck wait 4 months"

Cant even try it out

[thick escarp]

I mean, I am pretty sure you can get it to run somewhat, maybe you'll have to rather scale down the resolution than the frame rate until you get a better card. But I would probably first try to fix the R9 driver issue. Seems more doable.

[civic fractal]

There appears to no fix, valve was offering refunds over it and blamed amd

Well, the solution is use linux

[thick escarp]

Oh damn, that sounds bad. Do you get the RX570 for free? Then I'd probably use that while waiting. And I'd turn down the resolution to keep the frame rate acceptable. Although it hurts to have a great new headset and then turn down the resolution. 😉

[civic fractal]

Apparently, its specific to windows

[thick escarp]

Oh, that sounds like a great solution! Love Linux, used it for years! 🤣

[civic fractal]

570 for free, trying to get her to just buy a 1060 or something on kijiji

[thick escarp]

I don't think the 1060 is gonna give you significantly more performance than a 570. That's not worth dropping money on.

I mean, I ran VR on a GTX 1660 (no super), and it worked fine. Apparently, you can expect 25% fewer frames on a 570, which still sounds acceptable to me. If you can't go the Linux route (which I understand, especially if it's your GFs PC and she doesn't wanna dual boot all the time), I would say: Get the 570 for free and wait. It will work for now.

[tranquil onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/streamer-blue-vr-oculus-index-gif-20280236

me when linus 'tips' sebastian

[coarse birch]

Hi all

[flat pawn]

Hello

[thick escarp]

Hello.

[thick escarp]

So, I actually just ordered my bhaptics vest. I will let you know how it feels and what the effect for fully supported games, mods, and sound-mapping is. 😁 Very excited, I am currently even holding back on VR gaming until the vest arrives, so I can try it all with vest. 😅

[glad sand]

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633374697641456/?ref=MESSENGER_BANNER_SEE_DETAILS&showCheckout=false&refCode=MESSENGER_BANNER_SEE_DETAILS

This seem legit?

Here's my message exchange

[rapid otter]

I would kill to try it in Boneworks

[green crypt]

wouldn't buy a index used with all the problems it has for sure not for that price if the cable has failed and the thumbsticks fail wich will fail you need to pay 400usd

[glad sand]

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/534790317614281/?ref=MESSENGER_BANNER_SEE_DETAILS&showCheckout=false&refCode=MESSENGER_BANNER_SEE_DETAILS

How about this one?

[gusty frost]

Uhm, is anyone having problems playing beat saber in quest 2?

Mine just won't start for some reason

[thick escarp]

Is it modded?

[gusty frost]

nop

[thick escarp]

Hm. Maybe you can just try resetting it, or uninstall and reinstall...

[gusty frost]

already try that :(

[thick escarp]

Oh, that sounds weird. Maybe contact their support directly, if there are known problems, they should be aware if anybody.

I fear most people in here will have a slightly older and modded version running...

[flat pawn]

Does anybody here have pimax and full body

[gusty frost]

So huh, if anyone else is having the same issue try this

[thick escarp]

Did you do this, and experience any loss in settings or save games? Because I would fear that might happen, and they didn't even warn you in this message. 😬 Well, I hope that Beat Saber is back up and running...

And if they rely this heavily on Cloud saves (even Beat Saber, what's to save and sync there?), it might actually work flawlessly...

[gusty frost]

Didn't do it yet, but I doubt I'll be experiencing any data lost

[thick escarp]

You know how all VR gear makes you look like an idiot? Not quite true for the bhaptics vest, that thing looks fairly tactical...

Sadly, it only held for a couple of minutes on its initial charge. Gotta recharge the thing before I can actually try it for real.

[wise crescent]

I want that space lol

[rapid otter]

That's sick

Can't wait to know how it is

[thick escarp]

It's awesome, but it's not gonna stay like this forever. I have the entire floor to myself, but once the kids are old enough to not come to our bed every night, my wife and I will move up here and put up sofas, cupboard, and beds, and all that. 😦 I will find an area though. Right now, I really enjoy turning and moving around without any issue when I am "in the zone", and only using thumbsticks to get to other areas.

[wise crescent]

Only thing I'd change would be adding a carpet on the floor so you'd be able to tell when you're nearing the walls and it's just more comfortable to stand on

[rapid otter]

Gonna look it up later 👍

[rough talon]

what vr for steam im looking to buy one

[gusty frost]

it depends on how much money your willing to spend on it

[rough talon]

any amount

cuz if you gunna save and splurge so why not

[haughty thistle]

The cheapest way you can go, while still buying new, is to get a Quest 2 with like a 5-6m USB 3.0 cable. Alternatively you can try using your router at home with a software called Virtual Desktop, or get a dedicated router for that to play SteamVR titles. Either way, you probably also want to get a replacement headstrap if you intend on playing longer sessions.
On the used market you can find headsets like the Lenovo Explorer of the original Vive for a similar price or less and it will probably give you a better PCVR experience, just be aware that you wont have any warrenty and unlike the Quest, these require a PC to work in the first place. On the upside, you are not required to log into Facebook (which you will be with any of the Facebook/Oculus headsets)

[gusty frost]

You have Air Link too

[haughty thistle]

If that's the case, the Valve Index is still the best all in one box option, but if you're willing to mix and match hardware, you may be able to get a better experience that way. I for example am mostly using a Vive Pro 1 with Index controllers. Imo a much better headset then the Index, if you're willing to look over the fact that you have to wear your own headphones and mic on it...

[sick lagoon]

Does anybody know some good free fps games for quest 2

Thx

[rough talon]

lmao its not a game

xd

[sick lagoon]

Lmao

[tawdry dove]

Pavlov shack beta

[sick lagoon]

That isnt on the quest store:(

[tawdry dove]

Yea it is

[thick escarp]

In the app, you have to specifically search for "Pavlov: Shack Beta" and then scroll all the way down. It will say that it found one App in the "App Lab" that might not be as smooth an experience, if you want to see that as well. You say yes and can install it.

The App Lab is a bit "hidden" unless you know what you are looking for or are going via some homepage and external links.

[rapid otter]

Whaou

Played boneworks

Haven't played because of my backfor weeks

Felt so good

God damn

Missed this game

[thick escarp]

Oh, @rapid otter, you were curious: I just tried the haptics vest for a good two hours. It's different than I expected, but pretty cool. I have not tried the audio-to-haptics yet, mostly natively supported apps on the Quest 2 and modded PCVR game via Virtual Desktop.

The installation of mods is... just like any mod installation. Some work smoothly via Vortex, others need manual zip extraction into specific folders, extra options in the Steam launcher, and scripts to be executed, but it's no big deal. The native support however, and the connection of the vest to PC, phone, and Quest 2 is about as smooth as it can be. No troubles at all there.

Overall, the feeling of getting shot is slightly underwhelming, because it's just not a shot, it's a vibration. It's nice that you can tell where you have been shot from, but that's really more of a cool advantage than pulling you more into the game. What was way better than I expected was everything else:

Half Life Alyx (via mod)
You can feel the gun recoil in your shoulder, especially the shotgun. You can feel mags sliding down and up your backback, healing will give you a nice rumble through the entire body, explosions will make you shake, and most importantly: When you are low on health, you can feel your heart beating and starting to pick up pace. Man, that gives even more tension to the situation, I found my own heart racing along with Alyx', that was a real trip. This is a very immersive game to begin with, and this really sent it through the roof. I don't know if I will dare to load the Jeff chapter...

Skyrim VR (via mod)
When you "shout", you can feel the buildup in your belly and exit through your chest. You can feel sword slashes and drop damage from a cliff. I searched for a dragon but did not find one quickly, that was a shame, it might be an even cooler experience.

[...continued...]

Fallout 4 VR (via mod)
I only started this game, never played it, I'm not sure if it's my cup of tea yet. But the haptics feel very similar to Skyrim so far.

Boneworks (via mod)
Works pretty well. I like that you can hit yourself on the body with stuff and you'll feel it. Climbing sensations are pretty cool. Recoil when shooting and also hitting boxes. Heartbeat as well. I think if this is an immersive game for you, it will feel similar to Half Life Alyx, but I can't really get deep into the game.

[glad sand]

What makes it better? It's higher res than Index iirc but lower refresh rate, so trade-off I suppose 🤷

Oh and OLED so that's cool but again, trade-off

[thick escarp]

In Death Unchained (native)
It's... good. You can feel your heartbeat, you feel your chest shiver if you pull arrows really hard. If you are hit, you will feel the arrow enter and exit (!) your body. You feel slashes. Coolest thing were the rumbles when you blocked bigger knights with your shield.

Synth Riders (native)
Yeah. This is not necessary. It just rumbles a bit.

[haughty thistle]

Imo OLED is superior to LCD in all but burn-in, which isn't really a concern in VR.
Besides that, the Vive Pro 1 is way better balanced, making it much more comfortable for longer sessions

[thick escarp]

Will try some more games, and some sound-to-haptics profiles. But so far, this has been pretty cool. About as effective as getting an amazing graphics card or headset for better immersion, and a similar price. So it's not necessary at all, but pretty fun.

[haughty thistle]

VP1 and Index have exactly the same resolution. One thing that the VP1 has, which the Index doesn't is the ability to go wireless with the oh so expensive Vive Wireless Adapter. Imo the best way to play VR wireless

Besides, if cable, OLED and long session comfort isn't that important to you, the Vive Pro 2 offeres a wider FOV then the Index (at the cost of a little bit of HFOV, not too noticable imo) and a higher resolution. Plus it's screen calibration looks much more refined then the washed out image the Index produces...

I'm not saying HTC is doing everything right here though. Heat is a genuine concern with the Pro 2, and the fact that they are still using the same, pop-filter-less mic as with the original Vive is more then an insult at this point. I can understand why they continue to hold onto the Wands (cause businesses like their legacy software), but not even reducing the prise on those? Like come on, the Index controllers are cheaper and better then your wands...

[rapid otter]

Very cool 😃

God damn for boneworks it would be bonkers

One day helpfully I'll get one

Custom guns for boneworks don't the look gorgeous

[solemn birch]

Hey so my friend ram the steam VR performance test on his laptop and he got the results capable will he still be able to run some games or no? And when I looked at is gpu it looks like it’s integrated into the cpu

[warm osprey]

That integrated gpu isn’t very inspiring

Not very well to say the least

[solemn birch]

Yeah I don’t think it’s dedicated

[tawdry dove]

It's not

At that it's slow integrated graphics

Yall know of a way to overclock the quest 2?

I would put this in overclocking but there is no way any of them know

Btw I am aware of cpu and gpu level 4 but I want to go further

[rapid otter]

What's cpu and gpu level 4 ?

The quest 2 is underclocked from factory because of the lack of cooling

[thick escarp]

Via ADB console, you can pump up the resolution some more. But I don't think actual overclocking is as easy as it sounds, since the Quest has not been hacked yet... And I doubt there are adb commands for that.

[rapid otter]

Idk if there's an algorithm that runs the clock higher if it's cooler

[tawdry dove]

I doubt it boosts

[thick escarp]

I mean, it might be fun to try. But honestly, the fan spinning up and taking me out of the immersive VR game is not worth the 2 more fps you get imo...

[tawdry dove]

Depends on game

Maybe it'll make it more immersive

I turn up resolution frequently but I find even at normal res some beatsaber maps still lag from sheer notes and copius amounts of walls

[rapid otter]

But i think that at peak load the voltage is stable let's say 1v 25 w since you certainly can't change it , if your chip runs cooler it will use less power and be more efficient, so i think there's a 1% maybe to get with a better cooling

Take the cover and uga duga a cooling with an heatsink+ thermal pads

I know that snapdragons 8xx series (base architecture of the xr2 as far as i know) can be overclocked if the phone is rooted but i don't think you will be able to do so on the quest 2

[thick escarp]

Never saw any problem like that. Are you running at 120Hz? But afaik Beat Saber does not yet, only 90Hz, and that works fine for me unless apps are updating in the background...

[rapid otter]

Wouldn't recommend modding it tho

[tawdry dove]

Modded beatsaber

It's to be expected tbh but it's just unfun when the map by itself is really good

[thick escarp]

Ah, there's your problem. 😄 I agree that the best option for overclocking might be hardware, not software right now. Which is finicky to say the least, with some new thermal pads or fans...

[rapid otter]

Fans ? I don't think you could find some that fit the stock enclosure

[thick escarp]

Have you ever run Beat Saber on PCVR via Virtual Desktop/Airlink? I am thinking about that, just for easier modding and to get away from Oculus standalone apps. But I don't wanna spend 30 bucks to find out that the lag is unbearable...

[tawdry dove]

I also just enjoy overclocking si it would've been fun if possible

[tawdry dove]

I have tried on a friends pc but the situation was less than ideal

And my pc is far from being vr capable

Minecraft vr can't even start

[rapid otter]

You put a big fan

Boom

🔥

[thick escarp]

That fan is tiny-whiney! Honestly, looking at that second image, I am sure somebody has already created a 3D printable air tunnel and cover replacement with more vents to allow for a larger (albeit flat) fan.

[rapid otter]

No

I don't think

I looked at it a month or two ago there was nothing

Just looked

Nothing about it

[thick escarp]

Nope, found several models for fan ducts though that will channel air into the facial interface, to avoid heat and steam buildup. Fun idea, maybe I should try that.

[rapid otter]

I think the quest pro will have a better cooling thus not underclocked cpu/gpu it received a lot of backlash back in the time of the release

[rapid otter]

Ho yeah but none for better cooling

[thick escarp]

But I didn't have huge moisture problem so far, and I think making the headset bulkier and more complicated is not the way to go for me.

[rapid otter]

I do have problems with it when I put it on

But after 10 pins i just wipe it of the lenses and good to go

Cz it's heated up

[thick escarp]

Honestly, I feel like the Quest Pro is going in the wrong direction for me personally. The way it looks, it will focus on face and eye tracking, on color passthrough, on detecting people entering your playspace. I need none of that, I particularly dislike Facebook tracking my eyes and face in addition to movement. I would rather have the OLED panels back, and some better audio or non-lagging bluetooth for headphones etc.

[rapid otter]

Nah eye tracking is could be good but not on a quest 3 but on the pro yes, color pass thru why not ? And yes oled was good ...

Audio is quite good could be better

[thick escarp]

Audio by the way for the bhaptics vest: The motors are fairly loud! So without earplugs, those will actually be distracting. I was very happy that I had my cheap ear plugs to dampen the rattle to some degree.

[thick escarp]

Eye and face tracking is awesome for VR conferences and meetings (which I guess the "Pro" is shooting for), and colour passthrough for AR. It could be very cool for VRChat. But I use none of those things, so it's really not the upgrade for me. Also, I don't need an upgrade yet, pretty happy with what I got.

[rapid otter]

It's not that much of a problem for me

I play in loud room

Wouldn't really hear them

[thick escarp]

Oh man, you have no idea, you will definitely hear them. Maybe I'll do some more recording. That last take was when the battery had already run out, I was just still wearing the vest because I was mid-game and the camera was still running.

Will try some audio-to-haptics profiles today.

[rapid otter]

With beat saber it could be very cool

I lack this apparently looking at Boneworks logs
Vertex lit/ shaders /shadows/ textures mesh
I mean if anyone knows ?
Help would be appreciated

[thick escarp]

Yeah... I tried that one yesterday evening. It's fun because it rumbles your belly with bass and will shake some with the song rhythm. But it doesn't really add "immersion" and you are wearing a heavy vest on your upper body, so I didn't think the experience was any better than without. So far, the most surprising effects were really the additional immersion in good story-driven games, not the fun gimmicks in wave shooters or rhythm games. Just like with Synth Riders (which is supported natively).

[rapid otter]

But i think a vest rn isn't the best

If it existed

A strap that you would put around your torso would be perfect with 4-5 motors would be way better

I think it would be lighter and cheaper too

[thick escarp]

Probably, yes. I just noticed that there is an official Mod for the PCVR version of Beat Saber, not just audio-to-haptics. That might work better. But again, it's not that much of an additional value to me in rhythm games. I mean, it's cool to feel the bass, and I'll gladly take it as an extra feature. The experience is just not worth spending money on, I think.

[rapid otter]

The mod is paid ?

[thick escarp]

No, but I only own Beat Saber for the Quest natively. So I would have to buy Beat Saber for PC in addition. 😉 But what I meant is: You probably shouldn't buy haptic feedback gear for rhythm games, the additional experience is nice but no break-through. It's awesome for immersion in story or physics based games, if you are into that, then haptics is "more worth it", still expensive, but yeah...

[rapid otter]

If you get in BW any time

You should try to run elbow side into a wall

With haptics you can fell it bump

So cool

[haughty thistle]

I think the biggest consumer application of haptic vests for consumer use are for more immersion in games like HLA and VRC...

[rapid otter]

🤘 🤘 🤘

[thick escarp]

Oh yeah, having tried it now for a while, I absolutely agree.

The audio-to-haptics profiles also work surprisingly well. I just played some Asgard's Wrath, which obviously doesn't get support because mods for Oculus are rarely a thing, and the Oculus PCVR development is dead. But mapping the bassy rumbles to vibrate in your back and front belly and the frequency of sword slashes to your chest works like a charm. I even added some screeching/wind noises to give a mild tingle to the upper back. It's certainly not perfect, but I actually don't wanna play the game without the vest anymore.

[haughty thistle]

Heh... Reminds me somewhat of how the Skullcandy Crushers work. They are a pair of headphones using linear actuators to "enhance bass". Makes actually sense if you think about it. Especially the very low frequencies we feel more rather then hearing them

[thick escarp]

Yeah. Ages ago, I played drums in a jazz band, and on one stage, they had a "rumbler" installed on the pedestal where the drummer's chair was placed. Then they just pitched down the bass guitar signal so the drummer could "feel" the bass as vibrations and be better in sync. That was kinda cool...

[sullen flicker]

How vr ready will I be with a ryzen 5 5600 and a RTX 3060ti?

It's the setup in planning to build

[thick escarp]

Sounds pretty good, it will surely be able to handle all current VR games at decent frame rates and resolutions.

[sullen flicker]

Nice! Thank you

[thick escarp]

I mean, 3-4 years down the line, who knows what titles and crazy resolutions there will be, but right now, this is pretty good. I have a very similar setup.

[sullen flicker]

It will be my first build and I really want it to be vr ready

[sullen flicker]

Yeah sounds great

I don't think most of the games I want to play so far will be very demanding to be honest

[thick escarp]

I hope you can get the 3060 TI at reasonable prices!

[sullen flicker]

Right now I'm playing standalone quest 2 and it's pretty cool, can't imagine on pc

[sullen flicker]

Local store usually has them around 550 euros?

That's around 650 dollars

It's not good at all, but in these times...

[thick escarp]

Well, it mostly depends on the optimization. Half Life Alyx (the most real triple A title around) runs awesomely on this hardware because it's well optimized. But Mincraft VR will make the GPU sweat, no idea why. It's still run good enough though.

[thick escarp]

Doesn't actually sound too bad, especially in these times. Also euro-zone here, by the way, as you can tell by my exceptionally German name. 😉

[sullen flicker]

Minecraft Java runs like crap in 90% of computers without vr anyways haha

[sullen flicker]

Nice! I'm in Spain

[thick escarp]

Exactly, so you get it.

[sullen flicker]

Yeah I have yet to have a decent Minecraft experience

[thick escarp]

Love it! Not able to travel there right now, but it's an amazing country.

[sullen flicker]

I've been playing on console all this time because every single pc I've had runs it horrible

[sullen flicker]

Thank you! I really love Germany too. I've only been there once but hope to visit again soon

Out of curiosity, what headset do you use?

[thick escarp]

I have a Quest 2 that I got from my colleague, mostly use it for PCVR via wireless streaming now.

It's a real bargain, great value, but you'll have to swallow the Facebook login.

[sullen flicker]

I think my quest 2 has glare problems but they are not that noticeable

To be fair I haven't tried any other quest 2 so I'm not sure if it's normal

[thick escarp]

I do occasionally get some glare. It helps to minimize the light leak and clean the glasses with a microfiber cloth, but you can certainly get some internal glaring. If you want to, you can try if you can capture it with a phone picture and people in here can compare if it looks similar or if you should get it replaced.

[sullen flicker]

Righto, will do

Do you think it would be worth upgrading to the Index? The resolution is lower

I don't think I'm going to buy it since it's pretty expensive but I'm curious about it

[thick escarp]

I thought about the same thing. But you can't really expect that huge a jump in quality. The tracking is only minimally better, but you can only play in one spot with the lighthouses, and the compression artefacts won't be there. I don't think you'll notice a difference in resolution. You will however lose the wireless option, which for me is pretty awesome. And you might spend like 50 euros on a Wifi 6 router specifically for your Quest 2, which will significantly reduce the wireless streaming artefacts, that's money much better spent.

The one reason for me I am even considering an Index is Facebook. But that's everybody's decision to make. I don't think it's worth a grand for me, since this is the only way they collect my data, and I am fairly transparent online anyways (I am old).

[sullen flicker]

Righto, that makes sense

[thick escarp]

Consider this: I just spent almost 600 euros for a bhaptics tactsuit for better immersion. Which means that I could probably afford the Index set. But I still would rather go this route... That's my opinion in a pinch.

[sullen flicker]

Yeah, that makes sense

I need to buy a proper strap for my quest too

[thick escarp]

Oh yes. I also loved some cheap 20€ earplugs. But that's a matter of taste, it just drowns out the surroundings more, that might a good or a bad thing.

[sullen flicker]

Nice! Thanks so much for all the advice!!

I really appreciate it

[thick escarp]

Sure, there are a handfull of really active and nice and helpful people in this channel, stop by anytime you have questions.

[rapid otter]

Beautiful sound of the MG42

[thick escarp]

Has anyone here ever captured video on the Quest 2, and knows a few cool tricks? There are mostly two problems I have:

1. The standard resolution does not make sense. It's not horribly low res, but it has a square aspect ratio, which sucks for video editing in 16:9 afterwards and for vertical phone display, I have no idea what they were thinking. There are ADB commands with which you can change the resolution and ratio to whatever you want, I know. But is there an easy way that will either make the Quest remember them instead of losing the setting at every reboot, or doing this in-headset with a SideQuest app or something?

2. The audio is drifting. I think this is most likely because the audio sample rate is fixed while the frame rate is variable and adjusts to whatever amount of frames the headset is currently pushing (well, it looks more like exactly every third frame or something), and the background recording on an underclocked XR2 chip can't handle the stream muxing properly. Does anybody know if there is an easy way to prevent this problem in the first place? I know how to fix it in post, but this can't be how all the VR content creators do it all the time???

[rapid otter]

I think that they capture via a cable to there pc

I had the sound drift issue too

Tho you can use obs for everything on your pc, i actually made one yesterday and it looks so crisp, I'd you wanna see it https://youtu.be/aozSpvOq5WA

Shows two modded gun ...

[thick escarp]

Well, the PCVR games they certainly capture on the PC, but I have seens tons of native Quest recordings where there is no cable attached to the real world recorded image. I am just curious, this can't be an issue for everybody...

[rapid otter]

Maybe they use something wireless

[rapid otter]

Has been for me, i am sorry I can't help

[thick escarp]

Oh, right, you can stream Quest content to Chromecasts and phones and even PC browsers! That's probably the easiest way now! Good catch!

[rapid otter]

I know i use this feature to show my friend while i play vr with them...

Also you can use this to guide people on their first times playing

And you can even launch games

[thick escarp]

Yes, I have also used that. It's not the greatest compression, but it's 16:9 aspect and no audio issue, you can just capture it.

I guess it's the best way for quick recording.

[rapid otter]

Yeah

For pc try obs

The quality is crystal clear

I record mine at 12 mds

[pale orbit]

https://www.techspot.com/news/91216-vr-headset-designed-use-bed.html

http://diver-x.jp/img/lens.png

[thick escarp]

I know OBS. Never really used it for game recording, but I'm sure it works brilliantly. I just thought I'd do a very quick capture without leaving the headset and was flabbergasted by the atrocious settings the Quest pushes on you...

[thick escarp]

And it has nothing to do with p**n. We promise. 🤣

I mean, it's a big industry, I am not surprised that VR is moving into it.

[rapid otter]

I never tried some in vr tbh

[pale orbit]

I wonder if it will be the first hmd on the market with varifocal lenses

Basic model: around 700USD , Full set: around 1100USD, Varifocal lens supported version: 3900USD

[thick escarp]

Possibly, I am guessing the Index 2 is still a bit down the road, and I don't think the Quest Pro will be there yet.

[pale orbit]

look how much it jacks the price however

[thick escarp]

Understandably though. Those lenses are more premium level and spear tip tech than anything else they offer.

It's the same as getting a 3090. Sure, some people can afford it, and it might actually be helpful for them. But it's not meant for the masses.

[rapid otter]

I don't get hyped by varifocal

Hardware support is kdy and i doubt it's there yet

[thick escarp]

Certainly not, it's just "the future", at least part of the future. I didn't give anything about VR 15 years ago, everything was expensive, clunky, and hardly supported. But I do think that varifocal lenses is something that the industry will be moving towards. I won't get bleeding edge technology, but it's cool to watch what companies do and where they go.

[rapid otter]

🤘

Yeah

[haughty thistle]

Afaik the Quest just captures whatever is rendered for one eye to reduce the load. As the rendered image is roughly square, it just takes that, scales it down to a res that it can easily encode and save that. All for performance reasons.
Even PCs aren't immune to this. Unless the game has specific support for a third camera for the desktop mirror (like BeatSaber), there's a good chance it's just a cropped version of what one of your eyes sees. For my streams I usually just take the output of each eye from SteamVR, crop them and merge them to increase the seen FOV on stream. It does mean there's like a section where things often don't line up (due to the different perspectives), but it's not too noticable...

[thick escarp]

Oh man. That was utterly epic!

I just fought my first god vs. god end battle in Asgard's Wrath (there are like 3 of those overall, I think). And I only just had installed the audio-to-haptics profile for my haptics vest for this game. So I was rumbling all over my body from explosions and felt the huge leg stomps in my belly. That is a great scene as it is, and one of the very best examples of what a haptics suit helps improve. I am shook.

[rapid otter]

Nice

Have fun

[coarse birch]

woo

[tawdry dove]

woo

[coarse birch]

how's the b- bhaptics? bapthics? whatev. how's the whatever vest? @thick escarp

[coarse birch]

woo

crouton

bruh DHL is taking so long

I ordered a CD, shipped from Orly, in France, then went to Leipzig in Germany, and now it's on hold in East Midlands, UK... (I'm in Canada lmfao)

[rapid otter]

Damn

Package on a road trip of something

[coarse birch]

frl

I don't get it tho lol why isnt it just taking a fucking plane to Canada directly

It's just a CD from la FNAC

[tawdry dove]

I live in the norheast US and was recieving a package from maryland which is on the east coast less than 160 kilometers from me

And I was confused when I checked on the shipping progress and it was in austin texas

[thick escarp]

@coarse birch The vest is pretty awesome! I wrote down some impressions in the post I am replying to here. 😁

[coarse birch]

ooo thanks!

[coarse birch]

LOL. Me I'm so stupid hahaha I'm waiting for two CompTIA A+ books that I had to order on Amazon US and not Canada. I got confused when it said "Shipped from: Ontario, CA US" but at first I didn't see the "US" lmfaooo so I was like "Why the fuck is my package in Rockford, Illinois now" Then I realized it wasn't Ontario Canada

I'm sooo stupid

[thick escarp]

Yeah, that naming is really confusing. 🤣

[coarse birch]

yeah, especially with the "Ontario CA" like bruh

[flat pawn]

What software would you use gloves or a vest with?

Are there games that are compatible with them?

[thick escarp]

It depends on the gear. Mine is from "bhaptics". There is native support by several PCVR games (often via a mod) and quite a few Quest games. You can connect the vest via Bluetooth (a dongle for PC is included if you don't have a Bluetooth motherboard), and the mod or game itself will just send the information to the vest/gloves, where to vibrate...

If the game is not supported, or for music, flat screen games, and movies, you can connect an audio cable to the vest (split off from your headphones), and load an audio-to-haptics profile. Those are fairly simple, usually "slash frequency -> vibrate chest", "gunshot frequency -> right shoulder", "explosion frequency -> rumble all over". But it works okay.

[flat pawn]

That's wild

And slightly scary

@haughty thistle did you ever pair vive trackers to your pimax?

[thick escarp]

I just asked in a YouTube comment, when I realized that this channel here is probably gonna be much more knowledgeable, let alone friendly. Duh.

In the Steam version of Beat Saber, is it possible to have custom songs and multiplayer at the same time? Because that would be worth purchasing it a second time for me. On the Quest standalone version, multiplayer is disabled as soon as you mod it for custom songs. 😩

[flat pawn]

Never actually tried out multiplayer

Each player would obviously need the same custom song downloaded for it to work

Assuming it does support custom songs

If any platform allows it though it'll be steam over oculus

Multiplayer custom content exists in other games it just forces you to download necessary maps/etc upon joining a game

[thick escarp]

I don't need to play custom songs with others, that would just be the cherry on top. I would be happy trying the stock songs in multiplayer! But I won't get rid of my custom songs mod, so all multiplayer is blocked.

[haughty thistle]

Sorry, but what were you referring to?

[flat pawn]

@thick escarp getting rid of the custom songs mod won't get rid of your library

[flat pawn]

The pimax hmd can have devices paired to it

I think that's how my controllers work?

So I was wondering if vive trackers could be paired too

Unless I am misunderstanding how this all works

[haughty thistle]

Yes, how so? I've had my Index controller paired to it, as the Vive tracker all come with little nubbins to connect to. Unlike the Vive Tracker dongles and the 2 dongles build into each lighthouse tracked Vive and the Index, the ones on the Pimax are locked down and can only get set into pairing mode by PiTool. They are also only active while PiTool is running, whereas I could use my Index as a connection point for my Index controllers while using my Reverb G2 (which has none of these dongles)

[soft hound]

Vive Trackers come with dedicated USB receivers

[haughty thistle]

I'd guess pairing Vive Trackers to the Pimax should work like pairing your controllers. Just be aware that only 2 devices can be paired to a Pimax at a time.
Now that I think about it, a friend of mine actually has two of their trackers paired to their Artisan, as the Index controllers were kinda juttering around when paired to their Pimax...

[flat pawn]

I got my pitool to show 2 controllers and 3 trackers lit up

But I needed to have all 3 dongles plugged into the PC

I thought maybe I'd be saving USB ports

At least it's just generic USB C

[haughty thistle]

Nope. Each dongle only supports one device at a time. The headset just happens to have 2 dongles built in. If you really wanna have one dongle and everything connected to it, you'd want one of those Tundra SW-Dongles (or Dongle McDongleface as their internal name is). I've ordered an SW-5 dongle with my set of Tundra Trackers, so I can not just pair my Trackers but also my controllers to it.

[flat pawn]

Nice

Maybe at some point I'll get a sw

I have enough USB ports for this so I should be fine for now

[haughty thistle]

Btw. The information which device is paired to which dongle is saved on the device itself. This means you can have for example have a pair of Index controllers and a pair of Vive wands paired to a headset, and when you turn off the one pair and then turn on the other pair, they'll connect anyways. The device however can't remember multiple dongles, so if you switch between multiple headsets (which I kinda do), you'd have to pair them again after switching the headset

Can't wait for my Tundra Trackers, more because of the dongle really xD

[flat pawn]

Think they'll be publicly available for purchase this year?

[haughty thistle]

Depends on how quickly they get through Kickstarter fulfilment...

[flat pawn]

There was an update on their page recently

It didn't seem like things were moving quickly which is why I decided to just pick up some 3.0s

[haughty thistle]

Most backers already have gotten their "virtual basket" to pay for shipping as well as giving their adress, but apparently there were issues with the European baskets, so I'll be (hopefully) getting mine tomorrow 🤞

[flat pawn]

Baskets?

[haughty thistle]

Basically, the prices that were in the Kickstarters were without taxes and shipping (as they didn't had an estimate back then), and once they had the estimate, half way through the campain, they offered every backer a stay or leave with the estimate

[flat pawn]

Geez kickstarters are messy

[haughty thistle]

They are basically providing a webstore with a shopping cart and a discount on what was payed during the Kickstarter by the backer. European backings are fulfilled by UnboundVR (thankfully a European company, not like with Pimax), and they had some technical difficulties getting the mails out, so those were a bit delayed...

At least Tundra is trying to keep costs low for everyone. I wouldn't wanna pay 50$ international shipping, just because they also offer to ship all the way to South Africa or something...

[tawdry dove]

any beat saber song recommendations

[wooden ember]

Hello all,
My current of is an i7 3770 with a GTX1060 6Gb
I would like to have a VR system (mainly for Elite dangerous) and I was wondering if my PC could handle a VR headset (tethered).
Also I think the Rift S since he is discon could be a good price / performance if found on the second hand market.
What do you think ?

[spare urchin]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/323910/SteamVR_Performance_Test/

Steam

SteamVR Performance Test

The SteamVR Performance Test measures your system's rendering power using a 2-minute sequence from Valves Aperture Robot Repair VR demo. After collecting the data it determines whether your system is capable of running VR content at 90fps and whether VR content can tune the visual fidelity up to the recommended level. For machines that are not V...

[tawdry dove]

I would recommend something faster

A 1060 will do for 95% of games though

[wooden ember]

i know XD and budget should be available at around 2023 first quarter

if my saving calculation are right

which also will be when AM5 is available 😉

[tawdry dove]

Getting a 6600xt will have you well off

[wooden ember]

yeah but I only have a 450w psu ... so i will need to upgrade that one too

my expectation is for 2023 buying a new PC with the equivalent in grade (rank not perf) or a ryzen 5 5600 + RTX 3060ti (with also new PSU, SSD and so on)

[rapid otter]

Not sure I got 3700x and 2060 well under 450

[wooden ember]

and for the moment I have tried VR with an Oculus GO and ALVR system to have my steam game (Elite dangerous) on the headset. it work fine but the quality isn't there ...

[tawdry dove]

Thats an oculus go

[rapid otter]

Not the best 💀

[tawdry dove]

Lol

[rapid otter]

Impressed it even works actually

[tawdry dove]

They are only made to watch youtube or whatever

[rapid otter]

Yesterday bug were funny, one eye didn't move in boneworks

[wooden ember]

yeah but it is what I have XD

[rapid otter]

Left could turn but the right was static, i could see things moving tho

My boneworks is fucked up actually

Need a reinstall

[wooden ember]

buying a quest 2 could be a solution at the moment if it wasn't facebrook

[rapid otter]

Messed too much with it

[rapid otter]

😳

Personally i don't care

It's literally the only headset i can get under 1000

[tawdry dove]

The quest 2 pro having face and eye tracking freaks me out a little though

[rapid otter]

Appart from index + wireless

Cz wireless is the future

[wooden ember]

for the same price I can have a Rift S ... (used but still in good shape)

[rapid otter]

Yep

For me wireless is the only option

Once you tried

Like using a horse after trying a motorbike

[wooden ember]

the game I play is seated only so having a cable doesn't bother me at the moment

[rapid otter]

What will you play?

[wooden ember]

elite dangerous (space sim)

[rapid otter]

Aight (i know 🙃)

But you'll paly other things right ?

[wooden ember]

FPS so no VR ...

or TPS ...

the only other VR game I have is subnautica

[rapid otter]

[wooden ember]

since I don't own a real VR headset I haven't bought VR games XD

only games which also happen to have a VR option

[rapid otter]

Not vr 100% need a controller like a xbox one

[wooden ember]

yeah

[rapid otter]

Yeah but after any ideas what you wanna play

[wooden ember]

mainly flight sim i think ...

[rapid otter]

Racing sims ?

[wooden ember]

i would love to try alix but since no VR headset I haven't bought it

[rapid otter]

ACC dirt project car ?

[rapid otter]

When you'll have one but it it's prieced a but high but definitely worth it

And get boneworks son

[wooden ember]

also one game I would like to try is "lone echo" ... i saw "The mighty jingle" stream and wow ....

[rapid otter]

Lone echo ?

Certified 10/10

[wooden ember]

what kind of VR headset should I think about ? Valve index ? Oculus Rift S ? Oculus Quest 2 with the battery pack ? (Also I need glasses ... )

[rapid otter]

The thing is expensive headsets wich budget pc aren't useful

I am not knowledgeable enough to help you

Sorry

But stay around other people are

[wooden ember]

indeed

[rapid otter]

Everyone here is nice you'll get an answer

[wooden ember]

i know

thanks

@rapid otter what headset do you have ?

[rapid otter]

Q2

For Pcvr

Wireless

[wooden ember]

using ALVR ?

[rapid otter]

Airlink @wooden ember

[wooden ember]

if you can give ALVR a try 😉

[rapid otter]

All right

This weekend if i can

Airlink works good for me actually

[wooden ember]

great 🙂

[rapid otter]

And it's free too

[wooden ember]

i may see if I can find someone who have a quest2 to test

[rapid otter]

All right tho i will try too

Wonder too

[wooden ember]

40us for 3 day rental XD

[rapid otter]

What ?

For what ?

[wooden ember]

the quest 2 there is a rental service in Japan ...

[rapid otter]

I mean it's not stupid

You test your hardware or just test it before buying

[wooden ember]

not stupid indeed but the problem is how easily can you reset an oculus quest 2 and remove the linked account ?

[rapid otter]

Ho yeah idk actually

[thick escarp]

My colleague did that. You can easily reset it and remove all your data from the headset. You will however still have an Oculus account afterwards linked to Facebook. He kept is, and Facebook probably kept some of the data he provided. But in theory, with the GDPR active in Europe, all companies that have data here (which Facebook does) will have to provide the users an option to delete everything they have on them. So I think you should be okay if you want that. But that second part I only theorize about, I have not deleted my Oculus account and probably won't ever. 😉

I think more than a decent PC to play some PCVR games with the Oculus Quest 2, I would recommend a good wireless router, ideally Wifi 6 with not too many other clients connected to it. I mean, a good GPU helps to get better quality, so I'm not saying it's not important. I just think that if you connection is really laggy, the experience will be much worse. If the VR world lags behind your movements, gaming is no fun and you get sick more easily.

[wooden ember]

being in Japan GDPR is not applicable ... I used to be in France so idk if my account is a french one or japanese one since I have changed my address ....

[thick escarp]

So, generally: Definitely not the Rift. It's worse than all other headsets in almost all ways, and Oculus basically cancelled their PCVR branch. If you don't have a problem selling your soul to Facebook (this sounds harsh, I totally did that, for context, currently sporting a Quest 2), then the Quest 2 is a great offer. But beware that in about a month, there will be a big showcase where Oculus will most likely present some new hardware. This might be a more expensive Quest Pro, or a new model of the Quest 2 (which I don't think), but in any case, there might be something new and cool there, or the Quest 2 will get a small update without costing more, or the Quest 2 might go down in price a little. If you can wait one month, I think that's worth it.

The Index is very cool, but if your PC is not a beast but rather "only just able" to play VR, you might not get your money's worth out of the extra image clarity it provides.

[wooden ember]

ok my FB account is not linked XD

indeed ... the index need the sensors right ?

[thick escarp]

In any case, Facebook (and probably Oculus) provides this GDPR compliance all over the world, they don't make an exception for Europe. It's probably not worth the effort.

[thick escarp]

Yes, sensors (so you can only play it in one spot), and a cable to your PC. I love the wireless experience.

[wooden ember]

are the sensores wired ? or wireless ?

[thick escarp]

They are wired. You can probably google some images, the things are called "lighthouses" for the Index.

[wooden ember]

ok they are wireless AC powered it seem

[thick escarp]

Yes, it's only power cables, but those are necessary.

[wooden ember]

i may think about it .. my room is kinda crowded for a full free VR exp ....

[haughty thistle]

Rift is worse in almost every way compared to modern ones
I'd like to differ. The CV1 Touch controllers are imo the most comfortable VR controllers ever made. Very well balanced, look good and just got well in the hand (it's as if they were made for Humans)
Same applies to the CV1 HMD. It's pretty comfortable and very lightweight.
Just the cable routing and the way the headstrap works means you'll be putting excessive stress on the cable Everytime you put on or off the headset.
I wouldn't really recommend it as an entry-level as the Quest 2 is probably a better buy (albeit a bit more expensive when properly kitted out)

The lenses and screens are probably the worst part of the CV1. Facebook on all their OLED HMDs is using a modified gamma curve to prevent black-level smearing from happening, but the result is that extremely dark scenes look like, as if you're staring at an LCD with quite some backlight bleed (only full black is actually black from my experience)
The lenses are also worse then the original Vive ones from my experience with having a lot more glare (although more as natural glare on the CV1, rather then the glare rings of the Vive)

The cheapest way to avoided Facebook in VR is either by getting a used WMR headset (definitely worse then the Quest 2, but a lot cheaper) or by getting a used Vive (cheapest entry-way into the lighthouse eco-system)

||(sorry for the wall of text 👉👈)||

[wooden ember]

i will check the second hand market

[thick escarp]

Yep, if you want to avoid Facebook but not spend a lot, used market is a pretty good idea.

While it is certainly possible that the Rift is very comfortable to wear (I never had one on my head or the controllers in hand, was mostly focused on the specs), I am sure @haughty thistle will agree that buying a Rift right now is not a good idea. It is an old headset that is not supported in hardware or software updates anymore. And it's not like now you can make a new Oculus account for your Rift without Facebook, so you are not even dodging a bullet there... 😦

But I very much have to agree that comfort is not to be understated. It's much rougher to wear a giant thing on your face for hours than what you might call "normal gaming". 🙂

[wooden ember]

I already have an Oculus account (dev one) since I have the Go and side load app on it