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bleak night
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4.6 works, but it hits throttle

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nope thats the stock ihs

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5800x and 5950x have a soldered nickel plated copper ihs stock

rapid otter
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Damn

bleak night
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the whole zen 3 line does iirc

rapid otter
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Neat

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My cpu runs cool

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Sub 90 on stress test

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Stock cooler

bleak night
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mine runs cool for what zen 3 is rated for

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well.. stock

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90c max

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90-98

rapid otter
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All right

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My cpu is very powerful so it runs cool being paired with a 2060

bleak night
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my 5800x ran at 90c on both motherboards i had, and my 5950x does too

rapid otter
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I'm very happy with my stock cooler

bleak night
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mine didnt come with one

rapid otter
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Yes

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Cpu with 100+ of tdp don't come with one

bleak night
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yeah

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my cpu pulls 200w

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gpu pulls 450

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lots of heat defeatcry

rapid otter
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LMAO

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Mine does 65

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And gpu 180

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High for a 2060

bleak night
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my gpu runs the evga unlocked bios to hit the 450w

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backplate hits 60c though.. disgustedmothboi

rapid otter
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That's safe

bleak night
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it is, but the actual die is at 50c, so thats 10c higher, and i have heatsinks on the backplate too

rapid otter
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I could hit higher clocks but my VRM are too weak and i don't have enough

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On my Chinese gpu

bleak night
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gpu is capped out on the overclock

rapid otter
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Got +2 ghz tho

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I'm happy

bleak night
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im gonna get the active cooling backplate for my 3080 next month i hope

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might be able to drop my temps further

rapid otter
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Why do you want to drop em ?

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Overclocking hard ?

bleak night
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ive already pushed my gpu to its max overclock without instability

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so getting all the heat out of the case is impirtant

rapid otter
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To it's max overclock wdym ?

rapid otter
bleak night
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so i dont have gpu heat blowing into my radiators

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its hot in my pc, so lowering the overall temp inside will help alot

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it is, i just dont like the heat on the backplate being that high

rapid otter
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But you might get 20 mhz by lowering 10c not much more i think

rapid otter
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You don't have a 3090 so back plate temps isn't important

bleak night
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and it was a chrome backplate, i didnt want it but they were out if stock on black

rapid otter
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And even 60 c is totally fine for a backplate

bleak night
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its not, but its scary how hot it gets, and it still pulls heat to my radiator

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where id prefer cooler air, since my ram needs cool air too

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and vrms

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i just wanna prolong the life of my gpu by dropping the temps further, and also getting the second half to match my waterblock

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it doesnt match currently.

rapid otter
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My gpu came with an aluminum backplate

bleak night
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mines aluminum currently

rapid otter
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Wich would get very hot but trust me it's perfectly fine

bleak night
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i know its fine, but still, i wanna get it to where its not enough to burn myself

rapid otter
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Me too i wanted but it doesn't change anything at the end

bleak night
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i know i can get it lower, but im not trying ro squeeze every but of performance, just overall heat, since my tubes start going limp at 60c, and i run a tube over the gpu

rapid otter
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What do you want to do ?

bleak night
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i just wanna get the temps lower, thats it really

rapid otter
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Yeah I know

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But what's your plan to achieve it

bleak night
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throw on the active backplate for my gpu and put on a couple ek meltemis on the rad

rapid otter
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Ek what ?

bleak night
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then get a larger radiator later

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ek meltemi its a 3500rpm fan

rapid otter
bleak night
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nope, mine is for it

rapid otter
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Nice

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Tho there's nothing to cool on the backplate ?

bleak night
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just hooks on like the normal backplate, and has a block between the plates

rapid otter
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No VRM or vram

bleak night
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oh there is, the vram heat, die heat and vrm heat penetrates the pcb

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it gets hot at 450w

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the backplate is still 10c higher than the die temp

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which is plenty to cool

rapid otter
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You will use thermal pads on the bare pcb

bleak night
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thats what im doing now

rapid otter
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👍

bleak night
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its required for my backplate install anywho

rapid otter
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Yes

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I personally think it's kind of a waste of money but anyways that's your money, do what you want 🤟

bleak night
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its been a planned thing for a while but

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ye

rapid otter
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That's a sexy PCB

bleak night
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indeed

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and if i wanted to upgrade later

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i can just get a 3090 a couple years later, or if evga still uses this board style, i can upgrade to that

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since the waterblocks are 3080/3090

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il definately need a better gpu for vr eventually

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the 5k super takes a good chunk of rendering

rapid otter
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I would advise waiting for next gen rather than getting a 3090

bleak night
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i know, though if the gpu cant fit in my waterblock, id get a cheap 3090 later

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since the prices will eventually go down

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a good generation or two later

rapid otter
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Yes but i two generation it will be like going from 1070 to 1080

bleak night
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depends if the jump to the 40 series is how its said to be

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then from there to 50

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20-30 ive heard

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% that is

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then thats 40-60% jump

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which id gladly take

rapid otter
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Sure

rapid otter
haughty thistle
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There are applications for the more VRAM on the 3090, especially in VR cough Reverb G2 cough
But I think for most folks the 12GB on the 3080Ti should be plenty...

sullen linden
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How is that different from any other company on the planet they can measure the side of my ass for all I care xD.
Besides I don't use Facebook like I rarely go on it.

flat pawn
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That account has your real name and info on it

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Doesn't matter so much that you rarely use it

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It's Facebook measuring the side of your ass

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Idk exactly what they do with the personal information they harvest

haughty thistle
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Facebook is selling that data not just to advertisers, but also analytics companies and whatnot. Cambridge Analytica (one of those analytics companies) have conducted a trial to see if peoples opinions on politicians can be manipulated through targeted ads and indeed, they do. That was what the whole Cambridge Analytica scandal was all about. Facebook in throught of court was all like "We didn't mean to.", "They shouldn't have had access", blah blah. We all know they care bullcrap about a users privacy and who get's the data they harvest.

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Besides, like I mentioned before, Facebooks bots are pretty aggressive when it comes to banning people from the platform. If their bots think you are a fake account, and one reason can be sparsely populated user data, they will ban you. Not the account, you. You may get lucky with Oculus support and they may be able to reactivate your account, but I know people haven't been so lucky in the past.
Once you are banned from the platform, creating a new account is against TOS, as it's technically speaking a second account or ban evasion and will probably banned too...

rare elm
sullen linden
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I mean I made my Facebook with my oc in mind xD

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I made it when I was like 13 so everything is like
Went the dragon university
Can fly
Is a billion years old

tawdry dove
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That means your account is in danger of being deleted

sullen linden
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....its been over 20 yrs I think I'm safe xD

haughty thistle
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There've been people who's accounts had been fine for decades, only to be banned the day after they connected a their Oculus and Facebook accounts or added an Oculus device to their account

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It's usually events like these that cause Facebook to look closer on an account...

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In your case I'd be super careful about Oculus hardware

sullen linden
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Ok what would you recommend then

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For the same price

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And specs

haughty thistle
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That's the thing: Facebook is subsidising the cost of the hardware with User Data. You can either get something for cheaper on the used market with maybe not as great specs but something still totally serviceable, or you spend extra money on something that is better for PCVR but may lack standalone capabilities...

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The thing is, for PCVR, the Quest isn't actually the best you can get in that price range. The fact that it needs to compress the images means they will have artefacts and the image looks soft (as they can't run at native res), but also that the PC has to do extra work on the CPU. So if you don't have the fastest CPU around, but a VR capable GPU, something from the old WMR lineup may suit you better actually

thick escarp
# sullen linden ....its been over 20 yrs I think I'm safe xD

I understand that you don't care about the data Facebook is collecting on you. Many people don't. Just be aware that if you are buying a Quest 2 and hundreds of games for it, and you used incorrect information in your user profile, Facebook absolutely has the right to brick your headset remotely and to confiscate all the games you bought, and you may not ever get either back. You violated their ToS, so they can ban you and you have nothing. Be aware of that.

I am okay with it, since you can still resell the headset, I don't have a lot of games in my account, and therefore don't give them a lot of data. But I also don't violate their terms, still got my real name on my Facebook account, so if they ban me, I could probably get it back...

Anyways, keep that in mind!

thick escarp
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And as for data: a VR headset with all your games will know about your size, your cardio workout, the body types you look at the longest in VRChat, the speed and accuracy of your aim, the amount of (obviously) play time you take in a week, how much money you can spend loosely, what types of games you like, ... There's a lot. If you make a data cloud out of these values, they will definitely know what you vote, your sexual preferences, and your stances on gun violence and government obedience. If you're cool with the worst party in the worst country, your future employer, and just any advertiser on the internet knowing that, there you go. But that's the world we live in. Just be aware of it. 😉

haughty thistle
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With enough data, one could interpolate likes, disklikes, etc. all from just your body language.
And then there's Stanford Universaty, who've shown that one could accurately identify a person just through a couple of minutes of usage data...
Article regarding the last one: https://www.roadtovr.com/stanford-vr-motion-identity-research/

Road to VR
Stanford Research Shows VR Users Can Be Identified Using Only 5 Min...

Privacy in VR is an ever growing issue, especially now that all new Oculus accounts must login to Facebook with their real identity, which includes anyone who wants to use a Quest 2. Now researchers at Stanford University have shown they’re able to reliably identify individuals after only a five minute session in a standard …

thick escarp
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I mean, they don't (officially) do that (yet). But Marky Mark is selling the Quest for a loss, and the one and only resource that Facebook is making money from is data. So you do the math.

Btw: Yes, I do use a Quest 2. Just to let you know that I am not the high and mighty talking about assumed evil IOI here. I am well aware of what I am doing and how deep in the swamp I am. 😅

sullen linden
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Ok ok I won't buy anything vr then

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So many things I just won't bother buying anything

haughty thistle
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Trust me, the old WMR lineup really ain't bad. And when you can find a Lenovo Explorer for 200 bucks, that's still cheaper then the Quest 2 and probably a lot easier to run plus resulting in a sharper image as it's running native...

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I started out on a Lenovo Explorer and had an absolute blast with it. Only reason I swapped it out for a Vive only 2 months later was because it was scratching my glasses...

sullen linden
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Nah im just not bothering anymore

haughty thistle
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Your loss cbWhatever

sullen linden
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Yup

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Kinda sad I won't be playing vr T-T

haughty thistle
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Why are you so dead set on a Quest 2 or nothing? It's like as if I'd go out there and said, I want to have this specific GPU and nothing else. There a numerous alternatives out there. It's just that Facebook is kinda destroying the budget market and thus all that's left for less then 500 bucks is either Facebook or used...

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I'd bet my money on that if a company comes out and releases a Quest competitor at the same price or less then the Quest 2, Facebook would just drop the price of the Quest 2 to match or beat that competitor. Facebook has shown time and time again that they want their monopoly, no matter the costs...

flat pawn
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Save an extra couple hundred and get something nicer

rapid otter
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Damn it's in my head rn

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I want a new gpu

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Gonna think about it all day long

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Then hopefully forget about it

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My 2060 as much as I love her is kinda lacking

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@haughty thistle kinda lost rn between choosing my resolution, using amd fsr or not 😬

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Fsr give me better fps but makes things feels aliased ( anti aliasing opposite) and some line can get kinda glitched

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But yeah fps boost

haughty thistle
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It's a matter of preference really. As long as I'd be able to run a game at the native res of my screen, I'd use that and would only use upscaling techniques if I can't...

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Say, isn't the 2070 Max-P Mobile similar in performance to the the 2060 desktop, except with more VRAM?

rapid otter
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Kinda yes

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On nite book check it seems mine is 15-20 % more powerful

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@haughty thistle

haughty thistle
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According to the bad joke of a website called "UsrePenchmrk", both are about equal...

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I'd belive your result more then this tbh

rapid otter
haughty thistle
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I mean... what kind of comparison is this?!

unknown.png
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Wait, you have a 2060 or 2060 Super?

rapid otter
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2060

haughty thistle
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Yeah, looking at Notebookcheck, they do seem pretty much on-par...
My guess is that the 2060 Desktop might perform better in a mixed load, as it doesn't have to share parts of it's power and thermal budget with the CPU

rapid otter
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Interesting

haughty thistle
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Versus.com can be a gold mine for hilarity. You can compare everything. And I mean everything. You can even compare pasta to CPUs if you like

rapid otter
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Did you compared it to london ?

haughty thistle
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RTX 3090 vs London vs Huawei P50 Pro

rapid otter
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I hate london

haughty thistle
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London does look like a good deal though. Only 26€on Amazon and it get's almost as many points as the 3090...

unknown.png
rapid otter
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Doesn't support dlss

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Never going on a trip to a city with dlss

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What is the res you are using on your laptop for your quest

haughty thistle
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Running the Reverb G2 at about 70% res on there btw

rapid otter
haughty thistle
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lemme chec kactually

rapid otter
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Nice thx

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Lmao only used versus for tech things but holy shit

haughty thistle
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In Oculus: 4128x2272
In SteamVR: 2064x2272
So pretty much the same

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This is with Oculus set to 1.1x and SteamVR to 100%

rapid otter
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And what's your refresh rate ?

haughty thistle
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72Hz

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That's the max the Quest 1 can run at

rapid otter
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Right

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So mine is 72 hz rn

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But usually 80

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And my res is 3616 x 1840

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1.0x in oculus for 72 hz and 1.1 equivalent if i used 80

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And how do your games run ?

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Because at 1840 things get laggy in boneworks

haughty thistle
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I haven't tried much yet. Beat Saber rand fine and so did VRChat in an empty world. I haven't really stress-tested the lappie yet, because why would I use it over my desktop PC xD

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The thing is, it's mostly to enable me to use it when visiting friends, so I don't have to carry my tower or be stuck on Quest-only software. And for that it suffices more then enough xD

rapid otter
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Makes sense

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If you do any testing i would love to know what it does

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I'm gonna get a laptop too later this year and seem my desktop

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Idk which gpu/ cpu to get tho

haughty thistle
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What initially put Laptops on my Radar was Linus's video comparing both the AMD and Intel versions of the XMG Core 15. I intially wanted to get that one, but I ended up going for last years Neo 15, mainly because of the extra VRAM of the 2070. Other then that and maybe Raytracing, the 3060 Max-P Mobile and 2070 Max-P Mobile are quite comparable in performance...

rapid otter
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That won't be enough for me tbh

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Since i want good pcvr

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But i don't want a big chunky pc tho

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Daily driver

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Rtx 2080 or similar

haughty thistle
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If you want something which is powerful enough to run VR at high resolutions, yet also in a laptop formfactor, the only ones that actually make sense are big chungus Desktop Replacements. But expect pricetags accordingly...

rapid otter
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Yeah

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That's not good

bleak night
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what was a good alternative to polywatch?

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i remember seeing a bulk bottle of the stuff but i cant find it

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wait i think i found it, the novus stuff

pale orbit
nocturne edge
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cheapest vr headset?

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i dont have a lotta space tho

haughty thistle
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New: Facebook Oculus Quest 2 - about 300 bucks
Used: any of the old WMR lineup (Lenovo Explorer, Dell Visor, HP VR1000, Medion Erazor VR, Acer WMR-Headset) - can be found for less then 200

uncut flicker
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Exactly what i got too

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But u need to add like 20$ for elite strap

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U must get elite strap, it really change ur expirience

haughty thistle
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And probably some extra cash for either a long USB-C cable or a dedicated router if you wanna use the Quest as a PCVR headset

glossy ibex
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I'm willing to argue. For up to 2hrs sessions with q2, basic strap is good enough.

haughty thistle
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Eh. Preference. Anything with a hard strap I immediately prefer over rubber straps

glossy ibex
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I mean. I've got elite strap, tho still I think that basic one is good enough

haughty thistle
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I used the original Vive for like half a year, and that was enough for me to hate rubber straps xD

uncut flicker
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Very cheap

haughty thistle
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More like 30 bucks for a decent cable that doesn't break within weeks

uncut flicker
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Hmm, true

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But pcvr doesnt need cable

haughty thistle
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My first extension cable (5m active) was like 15 bucks and it lasted about a month without even using it much. It just stopped working one day. Seller was nice enough to refund me though...

uncut flicker
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Air link

haughty thistle
uncut flicker
haughty thistle
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Having just a couple of devices connected can already make Air Link/VD unplayable. Not just latency, but also bandwidth. Was getting a potato res image at like 15fps

uncut flicker
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I tried minecraft vr yesterday on my friend's pc, it was laggy

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I didnt had low frame rate

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It just has lag spikes

haughty thistle
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Using a Hotspot is even worse btw. -3/10 can not recommend

uncut flicker
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But basicly, it worked good

rapid otter
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I have a riddle, what's long, red and painful ?

sick lagoon
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how good of a wifi do you need for airlink i get 47 mb download and 67 mb upload is that enough???

tawdry dove
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I have weird wifi though so your mileage may vary

haughty thistle
# sick lagoon how good of a wifi do you need for airlink i get 47 mb download and 67 mb upload...

For Air Link/VD your internet speed is irrelevant (but is what you posted here). What kind of router you have and how many devices you have on it's wifi are important.
You only want minimal devices on your Wifi (best case just your Quest, but maybe a phone and a laptop are also fine, just make sure they're not doing massive downloads), and your want to ensure you use a 5GHz connection for your Quest. Lastly, you preferably want your PC connected via a LAN cable to your router, no powerline or other weird junk in-between. A network-switch is fine, but keep in mind that it can introduce extra latency to the signal.
Oh, and if you have a Mesh network, you don't want your Quest to connect to that. It'll introduce additional Wifi links the signal has to travel through, only adding unnecessary latency.

trail ember
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how do i watch netflix while playin vr? like i know how to pin the chrome window to the game but it shows netflix as a black screen

haughty thistle
# trail ember how do i watch netflix while playin vr? like i know how to pin the chrome window...

What you've run into is called DRM. You'll encounter it on numerous payed streaming sites. Only way to go around it is by using a Browser that doesn't support as strict of a DRM, and hope it works. Netflix used to work in Chrome, back when it was only 480p on there. You can try Firefox, and if that doesn't work, maybe IE? But yeah, DRM on HD content is super strict, and I doubt that it would be possible to really bypass it, unless they make some exceptions for VR or something.
There is a Netflix app for the Quest btw, but just for the Quest which sucks. Just goes to show what the existence and cheapness of the Quest means for everyone else in VR .-.

trail ember
haughty thistle
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Huh

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Who would've thought. Hardware accelerated DRM xD

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Jokes aside, these Black boxes on players in webbrowser or Video players when capturing is usually a sign of DRM. So it could very well be that turning off HA somehow caused the player to knock down a gear in DRM. My guess is that without HA, Netflix limits you to 480p, which is on a lower DRM standard and easily get's captured with something like OBS.

rapid otter
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It's my steam vr frame time

haughty thistle
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RIP

rapid otter
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💀

bleak night
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its well worth it, very comfy

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cheaper too

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less face pressure

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ah ffs

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it didnt reply correctly

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wrong message.... @uncut flicker

haughty thistle
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lol

uncut flicker
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I love red marks on my face XD

solid mirage
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Has anyone done any work on streaming through WiFi 6?

haughty thistle
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Wifi 6 = Wifi 5GHz with a more fancy name and some protocol enhancements. Other then maybe a little more consistent latency, there's nothing different between it and the Previous Wifi 5.
Maybe you were thinking of Wifi 6e (6GHz). Wifi 6e's specification isn't even finalised yet afaik, so while there may be work done behind closed doors, it probably won't be much different then the current Wifi 6 for VR, except maybe allowing for a bit higher res at the current compression rate (of Airlink/VD), or at a higher bitrate at the current resolution.
To be honest, I still think 60GHz Wifi (802.11ad/802.11ay/WiGig) is the best option for VR, if the TX-antenna is mounted high enough in the room and the RX-antenna is mounted on the top of the headstrap...

solid mirage
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@haughty thistle Useful info thank you. Guess will keep with WiFi 6 for the time being. I am working on multi-user streaming. Currently using a Unifi 6 Lite and a Asus RT-AC66U router. With a few decent PC's of course. Currently in testing mode with one. But do you have any recommendation for hardware.

sick lagoon
haughty thistle
# solid mirage <@!202504214163881984> Useful info thank you. Guess will keep with WiFi 6 for ...

Wifi 6 does need to be supported on both the router and the Client. In regards to VR, that's currently only the Quest 2 and Pico Neo 3. If you have either of those two headsets, using Wifi 6 is recommended, although I have no problems whatsoever on my old Quest 1 and Fritzbox 7490 (both only Wifi 5 capable)
Other then that, pretty much all other PCVR headsets run only via a wire. HTC does however offer a 60GHz Wireless Adapter for it's Vive Pro line of Headsets as well as the Cosmos Series and original Vive. It's resolution tops out somewhere slightly above the Index, barely enough to run the Vive Pro 1/Eye and Cosmos at native Res, but not even close to the resolution of the Pro 2 unfortunately. As these headsets were originally designed with a native DP connection in mind, and with such a high bandwidth link, means you get pretty much a native PCVR experience, except completely wireless.

rapid otter
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Regarding this i had some questions @haughty thistle

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What mbs should I go for

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And how much and how does it impact the look and feel of the game ?

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Is it worth it to go for 150 or 200 even if it doesn't look like it changes a lot ?

haughty thistle
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You mean render res in SteamVR?

solid mirage
rapid otter
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The mbs in airlink

haughty thistle
# rapid otter The mbs in airlink

The higher, the fewer compression artifacts you going to notice. Generally speaking, you don't want to go over 250Mbit/s. From what I understand, Quest Link can get quite unstable beyond that point.
Keep also in mind, the higher you set it to, the more of a performance impact it's going to have on your CPU

haughty thistle
# solid mirage Oh okay so even if the WiFi is switched off on the router? I am using a Focus ...

Well, for wireless PCVR streaming, you do need Wifi, don't you? The Focus 3 is an amazing headset. Unfortunate they made it Business only and so expensive.
You can use both the Focus 3 as well as the Oculus Quests with a Type-C cable, in which case, the the streaming happens the same as over Wifi, but over a more stable and less latency prone connection. In that case you don't even need to connect the headset (or the PC) to the Wifi

solid mirage
rapid otter
rapid otter
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Anyway you can't get passed 200mps on airlink

haughty thistle
haughty thistle
rapid otter
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It's pared with an Rtx 2060

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And I'm not running more than 80 hz

solid mirage
rapid otter
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( Ryzen 7 3700X btw )

haughty thistle
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Tomi, you'd have to test that. A higher bitrate means it's more intense to encode. The higher the load, the longer the processing time usually. I don't know exactly how Facebooks H.264 encoder works, all I can say is, the latency will probably increase. By which amount depends on so many factors, that I can't tell you whether it's worth it or not...

rapid otter
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All right thx

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Do you know how to check the latency ?

haughty thistle
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With VD it's easy. It has a utility built-in to check latency at all points where it's measurable

rapid otter
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Btw I'm gonna dig more onto my overclocking preset for boneworks as the stability seems to have improved thru drivers maybe ?

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I'm already at 2040 mhz

haughty thistle
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But I don't think there's a way to measure connection latency with Airlink unfortunatly

rapid otter
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I had problems with HLVR

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But with Boneworks it's different

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Do you have overclocking knowledge ?

rapid otter
haughty thistle
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Probably in the Oculus debug utility then

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Have fun finding your way through there though. Even for me as a developer there are a number of strange wording choices in there...

rapid otter
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I will see you tomorrow @haughty thistle

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Good night ✌️

gloomy crater
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ok so I got the laptop to work with the quest 2 over virtual desktop. I can't use a cord or airlink because both consistently result in a multitude of errors whenever I try to use either, so virtual desktop is my only option. I've used virtual desktop a bunch of times before, and it's always worked perfectly fine with little to no delay, and perfectly passable video quality. But for some reason with this specific setup I'm trying to get working, there's always a noticeable delay that makes some games unplayable

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I wanna get in and fiddle with the video and connection settings to see if I can't fix it, but I have no idea where to look for said settings. I dunno if should be messing with the virtual desktop settings, the steamvr settings, the oculus host software settings, or the laptop itself's settings

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Both the quest and laptop are connected to a 5ghz connection, the laptop even has a direct ethernet connection, but the delay persists

faint ocean
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Can someone help me get custom songs for my beatsaber? I have a oculus quest 2 and i have already downgraded and installed bmbf. Both open and work except I cant download songs from bmbf. It keeps saying download failed

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Tag me btw

eternal oyster
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pcvr is an absolute headache, I have this pcie card http://febsmart.com/showproduct.php?id=246 with quest 2 I got link to work once by signing out and signing back in and it worked somehow, now it doesn't detect the headset but it will supply power, is there something im doing wrong? I have the correct drivers and made sure the oculus drivers are how they should be. Also a bit of an oversight on my part when building this rig is the msi b40 gaming plus max only runs the x16 slot in x1 speed at pcie 2.0 when you have cards in the 1x slots which I do. Looking for advice on the second part and troubleshooting on the first one. Thanks very much

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static sky
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um so i tried to install the unity SDK3 for avatars so i can upload some custom models but for some reason it didnt apear on unity

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bleak night
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that looks like the wronf unity version, but i could be wrong

static sky
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Which version of unity do I need?

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I downloaded the newest one

haughty thistle
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2019 LTS is what you'd need for VRC

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What you have there is 5.6.3. That's like form 2016...

static sky
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Wait what. I went onto unity and just clicked download

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I didn't think it would give me an older version

haughty thistle
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Have you downloaded Unity hub?

static sky
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Yeah

haughty thistle
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Btw. BMBF currently doesn't support the newest Version of BeatSaber (1.17). What you'd need is Beat Saber 1.16.4 and as of right now, there's no known way to downgrade Beatsaber on the Quest

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@faint ocean

haughty thistle
# static sky Yeah

In Unity Hub you can select which exact version you want to download. You probably misclicked then...

uncut flicker
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Like, i can get the 1.16.4 apk

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Very ez

haughty thistle
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You sure it'll just work?

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You can try ofc

uncut flicker
slender solar
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would you guys know cheap vr alternatives like ivry and vridge

timid root
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So I've just ordered parts for a new system that will actually be able to play VR games!

Problem is what games 🤷 other than alyx I don't know of any vr games I'd want to play. What good ones are out?

And what headset should I get, like an index looks amazing but far too expensive if it's only going to be for a few games. What alternatives are worth it?

rapid otter
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Try to play Boneworks ❤️

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Lone echo is very good too

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Onward or pavlov

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Walking dead saints and sinners

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Watch this

timid root
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Thanks :D

rapid otter
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I can't really help you to choose your headset but others will certainly

timid root
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No worries :) finding games is the first step for me anyway. I can decide how much I'm willing to spend on a headset then

haughty thistle
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Beat Saber is a lot of fun, especially if you#re either into rythm games or music

rapid otter
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I always forget to mention it

thick escarp
# timid root No worries :) finding games is the first step for me anyway. I can decide how mu...

Maybe you can actually borrow one for a couple of weeks, or try a friend's? If you're unsure, that's certainly better than spending a good chunk of money without ever having tried VR. It's a different beast than normal gaming. I for example don't find anything in flat screen games, never have, but VR does really grip me. My wife on the other hand doesn't like VR too much (too much commitment, getting sick, ...), but loves her some dabbling on the side...

timid root
tawdry dove
timid root
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Yeah though it was a very different beast to what we have now

tawdry dove
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Well

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Yeah

timid root
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Like no motion tracking at all

tawdry dove
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What is your budget for a headset then

timid root
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Hard to say, I'm not really sure yet 😂 spent my whole budget on my new pc. So more a matter of how much do I need to save for one xD

thick escarp
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I don't know how much of these news makes it across the pond. But here in Europe, WhatsApp has just been slapped with a cool 225 million euro fine because they didn't keep to proper data protection and were sharing data with Facebook. This is a pretty big step towards Facebook not being able to just grab and collect data from all their sub-divisions. A very good sign. They can still appeal once more, but this is pretty definitive.

tawdry dove
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If you don't the quest 2 is $300 and is one of the best all around headsets on the market

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Best in nothing, great in everything

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Minus privacy

timid root
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As much as I hate Facebook and wouldn't want them selling lists of what I've been watching/playing I'd probably be ok with it if the price is low enough 😂

sullen linden
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If money isn’t an object what would be the best VR headset be that you don’t need the poles for be?

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I had a quest but my pc couldn’t run it

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And I sold it

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But now I have a new pc and want another headset

hushed pond
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valve index is still best out of box all around headset if money is not a issue

sullen linden
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RTX 3090 Gaming PC, Intel Core i9 11900K 8 Core, Intel Z590 Chipset, EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 24GB, 64GB 3600MHz RAM

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Are my specs

pale orbit
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if money is no object something like the varjo vr-3 I imagine

hushed pond
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actualy no

final yacht
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Pimax 8k

hushed pond
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pimax lenses kinda suck

sullen linden
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I ain’t ever heard of them either

final yacht
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Just get an index and call it a day

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They require lighthouses tho

pale orbit
sullen linden
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Okay maybe I don’t want to spend 3200€ my question was dumb I was thinking max like 2k€ haha

final yacht
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I still vote index

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They have the best controllers from what I can tell

sullen linden
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Are the HP reverb and stuff any good I haven’t really seen much mainstream media covering them

final yacht
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Hp g2 there were good things about before it actually released but I didn't see much after it did

sullen linden
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Last time I checked valve index didn’t have any stock in AU I’ll check again

final yacht
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The valve curse

sullen linden
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Australia is a real country valve please notice us

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Anyone know of some big releases coming up? Don’t want to buy something and then have it become out of date that always happens

tawdry dove
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Pimax 8k is godlike

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Personally I wouldn't want someone to use it as their first headset but if you can deal with the issues that pimax presents it's amazing

flat pawn
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mostly thumbstick issues

bleak night
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i hated my index

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it was full of issues

bleak night
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but the 5k super has been an amazing headset

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had a friend who was brand new to vr get one, and she loves it, though her pc cant run it too well

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1080 ti

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we forgot about the gpu power when ordering it

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it really depends

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i still wouldnt blindly recommend an index to anyone at all

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nor a pimax

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if you can.. try a headset first.

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every headset is different, and so is... everyone

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some headsets are better for certain people

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index sure as hell wasnt for me

haughty thistle
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I'd say, Index or maybe Vive Pro 2 if you want to go lighthouse tracked. Pimax I just can't recommend to newcomers...
You and your friends may have had a good time, but looking at forums, Amazon reviews and the community run reddit (so basically everywhere that Pimax can't control what's shown), you'll see tons of horror reports and whatnot. The 8k X and 5k Super both have tons of bad written reviews, stating things like "Absolute garbage", "Worse then the G2", "Absolutely do not buy", "Very disappointing", "Unfinished prototype" and "Full of compromises".
Just an excerpt of the top reviews on the 8k X spanning from January to August of this year.

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The 5k Super doesn't have nearly as many, but it paints a similar picture:
"FOV great, rest garbage", "Not for me", "Great when it works"

Having to go through multiple devices can happen with everything. There's one guy who went through 8, yes eight, Pimax 5k Supers, and all 8 of them were either dead or damaged on arrival. I'm not making this up...

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flat pawn
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I love my 5k super as well

fiery stirrup
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anyone here knows if its worth it to buy a hp reverb g2 if I already have a samsung odyssey+?

haughty thistle
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The G2 is quite a step up from all of the original WMR headsets. Keep in mind though, that with the G2, you're trading in the perfect blacks and super nice contrast of the Odyssey+ for a higher resolution and better headstrap

rapid otter
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Nice New pfp

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I love the banner too

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I heard of the odyssey a few times, why don't you recommend it more ?

haughty thistle
# rapid otter Nice New pfp

Fun fact, that was my pfp before I started putting characters in there. Decided to go back to the old clean one...

rapid otter
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Idk

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I kinda liked the old one

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I don't know what it was tho i liked it

haughty thistle
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That was a VRC avatar I bought as an adoptable. Quite a cute one ngl...

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rapid otter
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Adoptable ?

haughty thistle
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Adoptables are essentially avatars or characters that you can buy. Kinda like a unique painting in a way as once you purchase one, it's yours to keep for yourself

rapid otter
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Like an nft?

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There seem to be a lot of these avatars, are these furries ?

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Ho crap

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Dm me

haughty thistle
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I'm not familiar with that community (can't name them as that get's ya censored apparently). I just like Nanachis, which is what this particular type of avatar is called

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This is one that I made btw

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rapid otter
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Rabbits humanoid ?

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So they are not part of the furi thing interesting

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I wanted to ask you

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But did knew if i could

haughty thistle
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I guess they are? I dunno tbh xD

rapid otter
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Very interesting vid

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If you wanna watch it

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I guess you already did

haughty thistle
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Yup. Already had watched that

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There's also this: http://gamehistory.org/segavr/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gxewa9C4Yc

Video Game History Foundation
Rich Whitehouse
Sega VR Revived: Emulating an Unreleased Genesis Accessory | Video ...

We managed to virtualize Sega’s virtual reality headset without ever touching the hardware!

YouTube
The Video Game History Foundation
Unreleased Sega VR Headset Emulated On HTC Vive!

Sega's legendary lost hardware lives again...sort of! We've recreated the system using nothing but clues found in the source code for one of its games. Learn more here: http://gamehistory.org/segavr

▶ Play video
rapid otter
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Gonna watch it later

haughty thistle
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The SegaVR was a never released VR HMD by Sega and this guy managed to emulate the Hardware, based purely on how the software interacted with the hardware and documentation in the API provided by Sega. Pretty cool to see ngl

rapid otter
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👍

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Out of context

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I'm close to all achievements in boneworks

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Need one

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Gonna be easy tho

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I have 80 hours on it tho i think it's broken

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Since in messed up with the game files so much

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I think i played it more

sullen linden
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There's a recall of the occulus 2

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Went to go check it out and was told nope

sullen linden
tawdry dove
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What

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They are being sold now

sullen linden
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Thats what I was told

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Bearbuys refusing the sell them

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Bestbuy

tawdry dove
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You can find them on amazon and shit

fickle bay
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whats a good budget vr headset. i havea 1650 super if tyhat is info needed

tawdry dove
harsh niche
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fake fact

sullen linden
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I have a 1080ti hopefully that can run the quest 2 I got

bleak night
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why are vive link boxes so expensive

rapid otter
thick escarp
# sullen linden I have a 1080ti hopefully that can run the quest 2 I got

Yes, that will run the Quest 2. I had almost the same setup. Not at amazing quality or resolution though, be aware that natively this is basically 4K at 90Hz, which just doesn't work with modern titles on a 1080. You will have to undersample and turn down the settings, but you can play it. I think for Half Life Alyx, this is the minimum requirements, so there you go.

rapid otter
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For hlvr it's a 1060 or 1660

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With a 1080 it's gonna be fine

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Tho @sullen linden what's your cpu ?

haughty thistle
# sullen linden There's a recall of the occulus 2

I'm pretty sure you were talking about the recall of the "old" facial interface the Quest 2 used to ship with. Oculus also had halted all sales of the Q2 until recently when the re-introduced the Q2 with an updated facial interface and a larger storage for the one. So if you get a Q2 with 128GB of storage, you defo get the updated interface, with the 64GB model you defo get the old interface. The new one has like a silicone layer on top. If you don't have that on yours I'd highly recommend going to Oculus's website and getting the free cover they offer for those with the old interface ^^

scenic ruin
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I just got ocolus rift s for 179

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Insane bargain

thick escarp
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Oh wow, have fun with it! It's gonna be a long weekend! 😉

haughty thistle
sullen linden
rapid otter
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You can check you cpu naked it doesn't matter

sullen linden
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not when your babysitting XD

sullen linden
rapid otter
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Is it overclocked ?

sullen linden
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idk how to do that so no?

rapid otter
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Ok ok

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It's really easy of you are interested to gain free performance

sullen linden
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no. kinda scared to since theres a GPU shortage id rather not push mine unnecessarily

rapid otter
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It's a safe things mostly tho it's understandable

sullen linden
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like AFTER its all good id be more than happy to punsh this thing XD

rapid otter
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Alright 😁

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Mine been overclocked for 6 months and it has been perfect so far

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Anyway for you cpu I'd say it may not be very powerful for VR but it's paired with a 1080 so it could be fine

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Wait for more ppl to answer

sullen linden
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honestly im trying to upgrade debating if i should go for broke now or wait for blackfriday/cyber monday to upgrade my cpu to a ryzen 9

rapid otter
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When will you upgrade your gpu ?

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And white wich one if you do ?

sullen linden
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fuck if i know

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id do it now if i could

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im aiming for a 3080

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or somewthing like that

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basically just a great GPU that i wont need to upgrade till the 900 series come out

haughty thistle
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Most GPUs nowadays basically overclock themselves within a certain safe margin. Even GTX 10XX series of cards already did this. Overclocking really doesn't make much sense anymore, as the performance gains you get are barely noticable (wow, you get 2 extra FPS slowclap)

sullen linden
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and abusing your GPU

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GPU:...Harder~

sullen linden
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so anything i should know about my vr set?

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i found out too late that i need a LONG wire. and the fact i need to pay 20$ to use my desktop on it? XD

thick escarp
# sullen linden i found out too late that i need a LONG wire. and the fact i need to pay 20$ to ...

20$? No... You can buy an app called "Virtual Desktop" for 20$, which will allow you to connect to your PC wirelessly and play Steam games, but this has been added as a free option (Oculus Arlink) in a later update, so you don't need to purchase it. If you have a decent 5GHz router that is not too busy with lots of connections, and your PC is ideally connected via ethernet, this actually works pretty well. No cable and no money needed. 🙂

sullen linden
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my pc isnt wireless

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i have a cord thats about it XD

thick escarp
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But do you have a decent 5GHz router that the Quest 2 can connect to? Then I would just try to go with "Airlink" first. Likely this will work pretty well and you won't need a cable or money.

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I mean, you will probably have some sort of Wifi, right? Otherwise, getting the Quest 2 to run at might be challenging...

sullen linden
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pretty sure mine isnt 5ghz??
idk to be honest

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yeah but not that high

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had to walk into the kitchen to update it since it was taking to long

thick escarp
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On your phone, you can tap and hold on the Wifi symbol, check the settings of the one you are connected to, and it will show you if it's 5GHz or 2.4GHz.

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Oh, yeah, then you might not want to try the wireless route. You can either try and get a dedicated router for your Quest, in the room where you will be playing, or a long cable. I would honestly go for the router, it's probably about the same cost and much nicer without wires.

sullen linden
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idk what your talking about. idk what wifi symbol

thick escarp
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I don't think it matters, if you had to go to your kitchen for the downloads, then the Wifi reception in your game room is probably not strong enough, and you won't have a good time playing... 😦

sullen linden
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ok so now what?

thick escarp
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I would probably get a cheapish wireless router, something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B08KJF5BS7/
Then you can put it in your room, and use it as a switch for your PC and connect your Quest to it. It will also just give you better Wifi in your room, as a nice bonus. But I don't know my way around routers too well, so you might want to check for better recommendations... Again, you are sure that your PC is not connected wirelessly but with an ethernet cord in your room? Because you will need that to connect the router...

sullen linden
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yeah its connected to a wire

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so what? is my quest useless ?

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like what can i do with it TODAY

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right now

thick escarp
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No, you can play all standalone games on your Quest. You can probably play PCVR games in a room that is closer to your Wifi router (maybe the kitchen?). I mean, try what works before you go out and buy something. 🙂

sullen linden
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PCVR?

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oh how can i connect it to my PC? to get my games

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with a wire

thick escarp
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Hm. I think I am misjudging how much you know. Do you want to play Steam VR games on your PC via the Quest? That is called PCVR, for PC and VR. 🙂 If you want to buy games from Oculus and play them standalone, you can do that as is.

sullen linden
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first time VR user

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like i bearly know how to put it on

thick escarp
# sullen linden with a wire

If you want a wire, you will have to get a wire. Where are you from? Because I have a wire I don't need at all, but am in Europe...

sullen linden
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i have a wire a long USB one

thick escarp
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Oh, you can probably use that. But I have not tried that a lot myself. I think LTT has a how-to video on that. If not, your google word is "Oculus Link". Be aware however that "long" might not be long enough if you move around... Normally, USB cables longer than 10 feet will need some active amplifier in there (a small box on one end).

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It has been ages since I tried the USB wire experience...

sullen linden
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...ok so do i just connect it to the pc? or do i need to do something special?

thick escarp
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No, you don't need anything special. I think you need to install the Oculus store software on your PC.

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Other than that, you can just connect it via USB3.

sullen linden
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ok what software

thick escarp
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Sorry, that will lead you to the German site. 😦 But just google "Oculus software"...

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Then get the software under "Oculus Link"...

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I think @haughty thistle is preparing a better worded explanation, he has been typing for a while. 😄 Sorry, I gotta do some work on the side, so I can't fully concentrate on the chat here...

haughty thistle
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The Quest and Quest 2 have 3 different ways of playing VR.
Either the games run on the headset itself, in which case you have to give money to Facebook and download the games onto the Quest itself. This Mode is called "standalone".
Alternatively you can use a long USB 3.x cable (favourably 5m or longer) and connect the Quest to your PC. In this case the Quest acts like a Rift S and can play all the PCVR titles a Rift S can. You'll have the Oculus dash and everything.
Lastly, you can also play PCVR with the Quest without the need of a wire. For that you'd need a decent 5GHz Wifi router on which preferably not many devices are connected to. For this you can either use Air Link (which is similar to using a cable, but it's quite picky when it comes to the router apparently) or you can use a paid app called "Virtual Desktop", which would connect directly to SteamVR, cutting out Oculus Desktop as a middle man and lending you a bit more performance in PCVR titles. Virtual Desktop is also apparently more reliable and works with a larger number of setups.

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Mind you, only a small number of games a cross-buy between the Rift and Quest store, meaning if you buy them for standalone gameplay, you might have to buy them again to play on PC. Generally though, for PCVR I highly encourage buying the games on Steam, as you'll not be tied to Oculus hardware to play them. You can play Oculus titles with any non-Oculus headset too using Revive, but it's not as good of an experience as when the game natively supports the hardware (which would only be the case when bought through Steam or Epic)

thick escarp
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I 100% stand for what he said. Very well done explanation.

sullen linden
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ok works

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how do i gdet my games on it/

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?

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also typi ng in vr super freaky

haughty thistle
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When you want to play PCVR, then you download the games onto your PC, connect the Quest with your PC, and then run the games on the PC. The rendered images will then be sent to the Quest

sullen linden
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thart simple?

haughty thistle
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Yup

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It's like playing a game from Steam. Although, if you purchase your VR games on Steam (which I'd highly recommend), you'd also need to install an app called "SteamVR". You can find it, by showing "Tools" in your Steam Library and searching for SteamVR

sullen linden
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can it be any fps?

haughty thistle
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Wdym?

sullen linden
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fps can i play tnhem

haughty thistle
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Any game you want to play in VR needs to have explicit VR support. There are also mods for some games that allow the game to run in VR

sullen linden
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or dead by daylight?

haughty thistle
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Otherwise, the game would need to run in what's known as a "virtual cinema" mode, where the game runs as normal in a flat rendered mode, and is displayed in a cinema like environment in VR. Oculus currently doesn't have any native Virtual Cinema mode, and the one from SteamVR isn't the greatest. If you intend on playing games like that, I highly suggest a free software called Bigscreen. The PC version of Bigscreen allows you to just display your PCs main (or secondary) monitor in such a virtual environment

sullen linden
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its not letting me play anything

haughty thistle
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Like I mentioned, if a game doesn't support VR, it probably won't show up in the dashboard. SteamVR's Virtual Cinema only works for games that were bought through Steam and only works when SteamVR is active.

sullen linden
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its so choopy

haughty thistle
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Thing is, rendering games for VR is quite different to how games are rendered for a flat monitor. So a game would need to have support for VR build into the engine and have it activated. Most games you're probably familiar with, most likely don't support VR. So you may want to check out games on Steam that do support VR. There's a whole section in the Steam Store for that.
There are tons of VR exclusive games that are quite awesome to play. Take Half Life Alyx for example ^^

sullen linden
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everything is so CHOOPY

haughty thistle
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Wdym?

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Like with a low framerate?

sullen linden
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like i do something simple like watching a vid and its choppy

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woul.,dnt let me play super hot T-T

haughty thistle
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The VR version of Superhot is a separate purchase (because some devs are like that). Regarding the framerate: what refreshrate and rendering resolution have you selected?

sullen linden
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idk?

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how do i look that up?

haughty thistle
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Depends. Are you using Quest Link, Air Link or Virtual Desktop?

sullen linden
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desktop

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so is there NO game i can try then? i have to buy them

haughty thistle
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In the SteamVR dashboard, you go to the little Cogwheel on the right side of the dash and then go to Video

haughty thistle
# sullen linden so is there NO game i can try then? i have to buy them

There are a number of free VR games as well. There's "The Lab" from Valve, VRChat (as a social game), Accounting and McOsu, just to name a few. Some games also have VR-modes build in. You'd need to check whether or not a game supports VR "through the backdoor". These are games that are marked as not having VR in Steam, but do still have support for it. Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Simulator are two such games

sullen linden
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is there a way to see it?

haughty thistle
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Really depends on each game and you'd need to check on a case by case basis...

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You can create a "dynamic Collection" in your Steam library listing all titles that are marked as VR compatible. They should usually show up automatically in the dashboard if they support VR, but if they don't for some reason, that is another way to see them all at a glance

sullen linden
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anyway to do that easier than skimming through all 500k of them? XD

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also how can i download it directly into my VR set? i nearly choked when i was running like a monkey

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like can i download steam games into my headset?

rapid otter
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No

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You play them thru what's called steam vr

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An app that allows you to launch them

sullen linden
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this has beena waste of 300!

rapid otter
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?

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Wdym

sullen linden
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i cant play steam games because the damn cord chokes me when i turn

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i cant download the damn games onto my headset the ones for my steam account

rapid otter
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Others headset acts like a screen more than anything

sullen linden
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yeah the newesty one by facebook

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i just want to play VR but it wont let me

rapid otter
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That's not how it works

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The quest 2 isn't meant to run stems games on its own

sullen linden
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why

rapid otter
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But it can if wired to a pc

sullen linden
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i did

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i got choked out

rapid otter
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You can't run a car with water

opal wasp
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but yea

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i still could ask

rapid otter
opal wasp
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1440p 144hz monitor for like 500USD?

sullen linden
rapid otter
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Not here please

rapid otter
sullen linden
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not nice!

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it doesnt work

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if it was nice i wouldnt be here so upset

rapid otter
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Can you explain the full problem you have pls, i can help you Chickenbread can ect but explain what you did, what is already working rn

rapid otter
sullen linden
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ok
i cant play it with the wire because no matter how long it is. it will choke my ass. im using a LONG one right now. like 5ft maybe 10
and i cant download the damn games i want into my VR headset after i was told you can do that. my Steam games specifically
and please DONT tell people to calm down. it makes them more angry

rapid otter
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They are alternatives to wires

sullen linden
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i dont have those alternatives

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i was told i could just plug and play

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all lies

rapid otter
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Do you have a 5ghz wifi ?

sullen linden
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no

rapid otter
rapid otter
sullen linden
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everyone i asked before buying it. i wasnt never told i needed a rtouter or something

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i was told turn it on download your games to it and play

rapid otter
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Even if you "choke on it" does it work ?

sullen linden
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yeah but i shouldnt have to tie a noose aroudn my damn neck to play games

rapid otter
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Ok

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So that's the biggest part done

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You can use a pulley system

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Or a longer cable

sullen linden
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.......

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that is so damn stupid

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i cant stop laughing

rapid otter
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Or a wifi router you can get one for 80 bucks or use one if you have one already

sullen linden
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its so stupid

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im in pain

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laughing

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it hurts

rapid otter
sullen linden
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ugh head hurts now
alright the pully system while it would solve the wire on the floor it still means the wire is there being tied. tighter and tighter each time i spun

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which is like what? 90% of tyhe games?

rapid otter
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Yeah

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You have wifi in your house right ?

sullen linden
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yeah bearly

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my pc is connected via cord

rapid otter
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That's even better

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Is it wifi 2.4ghz or 5ghz

sullen linden
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yeah i know

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idk

rapid otter
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Download this

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And scan to see if it's 5ghz

sullen linden
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2.4

rapid otter
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All right

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Not ideal for vr

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Tho you can try

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Doesn't hurt to

sullen linden
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ok? how

rapid otter
sullen linden
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godf

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imagine playing VR and forgetting that statues there

rapid otter
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You can try it's what I use daily

haughty thistle
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2.4GHz has too much latency and too little bandwidth for VR. Probably not even worth trying. Besides, 5-10ft ain't really that long for a VR cable. Most PCVR native headsets come with 5-6m long cables (16-20ft). With those kinda lengths, it's not much of a problem for me and a large number of PCVR players

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The Quest isn't a PCVR native headset, so if what you want is run PCVR games on it, additional purchases are kinda required. Anyone could've told you that (unless they think everyone has a router just laying around)

rapid otter
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Yeah

sullen linden
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no one told me whats a pcvr native headset?

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the 800$? ones

haughty thistle
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PCVR native means the headset uses not just USB, but also a Display connector (be it HDMI or DisplayPort) to connect to the PC. Some require an additional wall socket as well

astral lake
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Idk, but i think it's possible to make a vr head set with a wii

haughty thistle
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It's not just 800$ ones. There's also the Reverb G2, which can be had for like 500-600$ and on the used market you can also find the old WMR lineup, the OG Vive and the Rift CV1 and Rift S, all being PCVR native and all less for 500$

haughty thistle
sullen linden
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yeah it doesnt

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no way to just play these games by facing forward

tawdry dove
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I have never seen such trouble with vr before

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When I got my quest 2 it was sunshine and rainbows

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Plugged it into friends pc and was immersed in minecraft vr pretty quick

sullen linden
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wait i can play minecraft?

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ok contagion is fine. its fun enough
if i sit down
any free games i can get that wont let me get strangled?

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now its not connecting to the desktop or the internet

astral lake
haughty thistle
sullen linden
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i am tired

astral lake
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The wii can render 3d scenes right

sullen linden
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i finally got it to work and its fun BUT holycrap am i out of shape

astral lake
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For a splitcsreen

sullen linden
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whats a good VR game? like one that would justify me buying right now guys?

haughty thistle
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The Wii is designed to only ever render 1 flat image at any given time. Yeah, it supports multiple cameras in a 3D scene, but Stereoscopic rendering, this is not. You'd have to inject your own shader for the lens pre-distortion etc. Like I said, good luck attempting

sullen linden
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but can it run doom?

astral lake
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Yeah, probably

sullen linden
haughty thistle
astral lake
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You need a mod for mc that allows vr to work with it

sullen linden
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how can i get it?

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idk how to mod minecraft.
also any good games? only one that comes to mind atm is beat saber

tawdry dove
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You can also play minecraft vr on the windows 10 version if you own it

astral lake
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Is the mod for fabric or forge

haughty thistle
sullen linden
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idk if i have it or not i just have the one i got a WHILE ago

haughty thistle
tawdry dove
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I did it on my quest

haughty thistle
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Ah, ok. I just read up on Minecraft Windows 10 Edition VR support, and they did indeed update it to use OpenXR, so you should be golden in that regards.
It used to be that it either ran directly through the WMR runtime or with an update you could download from the Oculus Store through the Oculus runtime. So SteamVR users were kinda left out for a while, but it does seem to support OpenXR now as well, as detailed here: https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/360057619052

cobalt pecan
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yo im lookin to buy vr but what’s the best standalone headset? Any price is good

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i dont have a capable pc or playstation

sullen linden
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how cann i get my songs in beat saber?

tawdry dove
tawdry dove
sullen linden
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how

tawdry dove
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Look up a tutorial on how to mod beatsaber

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You have beatsaber on steam I trust?

sullen linden
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yes

tawdry dove
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Good

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If it was on the oculus store they would ban you for modding it

sullen linden
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ugh why is there so many options to mod it? i justr need the simplest one

storm talon
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@tawdry dove nah, ive had beat saber modded on oculus store for several years, not banned yet

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modded on both quest 2 and normal rift

tawdry dove
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You lucky

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My friend got banned less than 5 months after they started banning

sullen linden
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im actually debnating if i should return it. get my money back and use that money to upgrade my system and buy a better one.

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whats another good headset that doesnt require me to hang up cameras over my small room

thick escarp
sullen linden
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i almost freaking died

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playing a horror game and im here tired shooting and killing monsters

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and giant spiders and then my cord rubs up against my leg and i lose my shit

thick escarp
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Yep, VR is really immersive, and horror games can be truly terrifying. 🤣

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Hey, has anyone in here tried some vibrating gear, like a bhaptics vest? Does that actually help and immerse you more? Because those have become surprisingly affordable...

earnest canopy
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Super hot is no fun when you slam your fingers into a table smashing 2 glass cups

thick escarp
rapid otter
thick escarp
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Oh man! I heard about "Eye of the temple" ages ago, didn't even have a headset yet. And now, almost by accident, I played the "first steps" preview. That went straight to my wishlist, as soon as it's out. Awesome game mechanics, and it looks great! Not the most creative story, but the locomotion system is otherworldly if you have a bit of play space! 👍

coarse birch
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Hey y'all, is the Quest 2 working well when it's connected to a PC with a virtualdesktop or with the beta Air Link?

thick escarp
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If you're on a 2.4GHz wifi, slow games can run okay, but anything really fast paced you won't enjoy.

coarse birch
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Yeah I think with the router it's the virtual desktop but what about Air Link? Seems like some beta stuff directly from Oculus but I couldn't find precise performance info about it

thick escarp
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Apparently, Air Link is a bit more picky when it comes to your connection. But if you have a decent house network, it is good, and not even real beta anymore. If the connection is a bit more sketchy, Virtual Desktop allows for a little more fiddling.

coarse birch
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Yeah the problem is that I can't have two different WIFIs to connect to. Like I can't tell my router to make x device 2.4ghz and y device 5ghz only, it manages it all by itself depending on the distance and everything. My PC is ethernet and I'd use the VR near the router so I guess it would always be on 5ghz since i'd be close

thick escarp
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I have only tried Air Link on my (pretty good) Wifi, and it worked fine, without problems.

coarse birch
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Yeah I guess I have good wifi lol, it's a AC router I think

thick escarp
coarse birch
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That's super good to know then. Do you know if virtual desktop / air link would be affected by walls?

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Like only one wall lol

thick escarp
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I don't use Airlink because a.) I already paid for Virtual Desktop and b.) I want to keep my game data away from Facebook (who own Airlink). But generally, I don't think the difference is huge.

thick escarp
coarse birch
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Nice, good to know! I think I might def pull the trigger on a Quest 2 in the next few weeks. How does the Virtual Desktop works? Is it just the PC streaming the game itself to the VR headset or you can launch games from Steam directly on the VR?

thick escarp
# coarse birch Nice, good to know! I think I might def pull the trigger on a Quest 2 in the nex...

There is no Steam on the headset. Virtual Desktop/Airlink will connect to your PC and will allow you to launch games (Oculus and Steam) from there. The headset sends tracking data to the PC, the PC does the game rendering and compresses the video stream. The headset will then receive the video stream, decompress and display it. So there is a slight lag between you moving and the game actually moving your arm. I don't really feel it, it's pretty small, but that's why better connections are important.

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You will see what you are playing on your flat monitor if you are connected (if it is turned on). 🙂

coarse birch
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Oh wow that's super cool hahaha

thick escarp
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So you will actually game on your PC and use the headset as tracking and display.

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I assume you have a decent GPU? Because VR is not that easy to feed... It's essentially 4K gaming, with additional tracking and quicker head movements. So lots to do for your gaming PC.

coarse birch
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I have a 2070 haha

thick escarp
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That'll do, yes.

coarse birch
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I guess I'd be okay kekw

thick escarp
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Honestly, lots of people in here actually sport a 30 series, even some 3090s... You can always go higher. 😉 But 2070 is enough to have tons of fun.

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I run a Quest 2 and no regrets so far. Ask me in 5 years when I am chained down in Mark Zuckerberg's basement. 😉

coarse birch
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Yeah haha those are some real lucky people LUL

thick escarp
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@rapid otter Thanks for the recommendation. But I am sorry to say that so far, Boneworks is really not my cup of tea. I really tried to like it, played 2 hours so far. I get that the mechanics are supposed to be very realistic, but I just really feel like a klutz... My arms and legs are always in the way, the walking is painfully slow, most objects feel very weightless, and I just feel like an idiot moving around.

I can see that the effort is quite impressive, comparable to Alyx, and you can use and do almost everything around you, which I guess is the appeal? But if I want to feel like I have no usable motor skills, I simply play basketball or something. 😉 I will give it another shot, but am going for some different experiences now. 😦 For now, my next stop is Lone Echo.

coarse birch
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Boneworks seems like a nice game to just go full John Wick on NPCs

thick escarp
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Yeah, there are tons of those. I guess the most "John Wicky" I have tried to far is "Pistol Whip", partly due to the soundtrack, partly because you basically have "auto aim". 😉

coarse birch
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auto aim kekwww

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jk ^

rapid otter
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Yes the fact you can interact with everything is the best part

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You aren't just following a scripted story, you may not have seen it but they are minimum 3 ways to finish a level... The freedom is huge.

thick escarp
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I mean, honestly, it looks amazing, and the interacting stuff is really, really cool. I think my problem is that so far, it's not really that much fun for me to play? As I said, I'll give it another try soon.

rapid otter
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I played more than 100 hours of BW and it feels like my body is in BW i can do anything, i got so used i am able to do everything i can think of

rapid otter
thick escarp
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Have you played a lot of pancake games? Because I haven't played games at all on a PC. So maybe the excessive freedom and versatility is just more impressive to people who have played tons of "on rails" games and have gotten over those by now? I think I am very okay with the on rails stuff, because I have hardly gamed before...

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That's my best theory on who might like the game a lot, hard core gamers who just enjoy doing whatever they want to a degree that us normals can't imagine...

rapid otter
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Actually it's kinda the opposite i've been playing for years

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I played a lot of competitive gaming

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I only recently played narrative games

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Got bored by competitive actually

thick escarp
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But that's what I mean. You have played a lot of games in general, so the freedom in BW is much more impressive to you, and probably more fun. I haven't played at all, so I don't "get it" yet...

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It's very clear that most people who have played tons of games in their life really, really love Boneworks. That's why this is my current theory. 😉

rapid otter
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Maybe yeah

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Just to know

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Where are you in the story ?

thick escarp
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It took me like an hour to even get through the tutorial... I have played less than an hour in the story, and have mostly been just trying stuff out and taking forever. So not much story yet. I can't even really describe what chapter this is, I have just been walking around...

coarse birch
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Dumb question for you guys: How do you walk/move legs in VR? You use the buttons/stick on the controllers or you move your legs?

rapid otter
rapid otter
haughty thistle
thick escarp
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Huh? My messages don't get through right now?

rapid otter
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Ok i saw the message actually

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Certainly a bad word

coarse birch
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Doesn't it feel weird to use a joystick to walk around but move the arms to control other things?

thick escarp
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Man, my internet has been weird all day. No idea why...

coarse birch
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Yeah I saw the message pop up, must have been deleted for a bad word

thick escarp
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Oh, Discord filters messages? Hah! Cool! I had the "bad word" for "urinate" in there, I guess.

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Never thought that would trigger a block.

rapid otter
haughty thistle
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I stopped discussing moderation decisions on this discord ever since I got a warning a couple of days ago for doing so ^^"

rapid otter
coarse birch
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Walking on the play space? Like small position adjustements and for long walks you use the joystick I guess?

rapid otter
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Yes

coarse birch
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Nice

rapid otter
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Mostly i paly ona tight space

thick escarp
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Exactly.

rapid otter
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So i can bend forward to pick something of to avoid and enemie i may make a step but no much more

thick escarp
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Today, I tried the "Eye of the temple" first steps preview! That's a really fun way of locomotion, but you need a larger play area. It feels absolutely amazing though!

coarse birch
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Yeah I've seen lots of people recommend putting a rug or something on the floor to feel when you're leaving the play space. I don't think I'll need that lol

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VR seems so cool lmao

rapid otter
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I don't wanna force you or anything but you should try to paly a bit more, tho if you don't want it fine 👍

rapid otter
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You can tell where you are and how you are oriented pretty easily

thick escarp
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Yeah, the rug never did anything for me either. I tried it.

coarse birch
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Yeah I guess you get used to it pretty quickly

thick escarp
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If it's a disorienting game, I keep a windows open to feel the breeze subconsciously, that helps as well for where I am facing.

coarse birch
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Lmao that's so smart actually

haughty thistle
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I found I don't really need a rug, as I can somewhat find my position in my playspace either based on the cable hanging down my back or through the playspace walls, which I've set to floor-only for better immersion. I recommend leaving the Chaperone/Guardian at default visibility tho. Especially in smaller playspaces and for beginners

thick escarp
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Hey, since it's a bit more crowded now: Have any of you tried vibrating gear for VR? Like a bhaptics vest or something? Those have actually gotten fairly affordable, and I was wondering how much they boost immersion...

coarse birch
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I mean I have a pretty big living room in my basement lol I can surely have about 6x6 foot space

rapid otter
rapid otter
coarse birch
#

oh and also sorry I forgot to ask earlier but how are the speakers on the Quest 2? Would you recommend headphones or the speakers are great?

rapid otter
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For me personally they are good

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Not at very high volume

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But generally good for me

coarse birch
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oh cool

thick escarp
coarse birch
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Can you use bluetooth for headphones?

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like with standalone mode without PC and also with Virtualdesktop

thick escarp
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I don't know. But I don't think I would... It will have a little lag, and you're trying to reduce that wherever possible. I would go with the inbuilt speakers until you have 20 bucks leftover for cheap cable ear plugs.

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I mean, if you ever bought a cheap android phone, you will probably have a set of cheap earplugs somewhere in a drawer. I would prefer those even over high-end bluetooth.

coarse birch
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Alright cool. I think there's an aux cable on the side of the VR headset anyways so I'll prob just connect my headphones to it

rapid otter
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But you can with a pc

coarse birch
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Okay cool to know. I mean at this point I'll prob just connect my headphones with the aux cable

rapid otter
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Also there's a jack port

coarse birch
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I'll just tie the cable so it isnt in the way lol

rapid otter
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Yep

thick escarp
rapid otter
coarse birch
thick escarp
coarse birch
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Oooo you're in Germany

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nice

thick escarp
coarse birch
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oof haha Beyers

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I have some Bose NC700

rapid otter
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Bose the best

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Got some

rapid otter
thick escarp
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Yes, for my phone, I love the NC (Bose QuietComforts), for listening to music, I have a pair of Teufel (I don't know if they are big outside Germany), which I hardly use anymore. But I did quite a bit of mixing/mastering for my A Cappella group at university, and most headphones I found were too bassy (including Bose). So I got the Beyer DT 770, whcih are kinda almost usable for studio stuff...

thick escarp
# rapid otter Ho really

Yeah, Europeans get pretty much f*ed with anything made in the US. We pay tons of extra taxes. Apparently, companies do that because we "will just pay it", so why not? Even software, where shipping doesn't apply at all. Like Adobe's Creative Cloud is 50 bucks in the US, and more than 70 bucks a month in Europe. 😦

coarse birch
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oof

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We also get f#cked in Canada kekw

rapid otter
coarse birch
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oooo

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From France?

rapid otter
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What i was saying is whoo you want a haptic suit

rapid otter
coarse birch
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oooo cousin

thick escarp
rapid otter
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Cousin 🤘

coarse birch
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Je suis du Québec moi

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Hahaha jamais j'aurais cru croiser des francophones ici

rapid otter
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Génial

thick escarp
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On parle francais maintenant? J'ai l'apris a l'ecole, mais j'ai oublie tous let mots...

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Also: I don't have accents on my keyboard.

coarse birch
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Hahaha wow wobble

rapid otter
coarse birch
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That was pretty good tbh

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I know a bit of german. I tried to learn it last year

rapid otter
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Ain't bad

coarse birch
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I know really basic stuff. Das Wasser, Brot, etc

thick escarp
coarse birch
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That was still super good haha. French is also super hard to learn lol

thick escarp
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Honestly, nowadays, I don't need French (or German) at all. At work, it's all English. Even though our parent company is French. 😄

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That's why I've been to Paris (well, Velizy) quite a few times before the lockdown. Brush up on my French, at least at the restaurants...

coarse birch
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Oh haha that's cool

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English is super important IMO, almost everybody speaks or at least understands it

thick escarp
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Alright, play time is over. Gotta get back to the kids. 🤪 Yes, I'm old...

rapid otter
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Lmao

coarse birch
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Lolll

rapid otter
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I am one

coarse birch
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I'm 19 so I guess I'm in between "kid" and "grown up"

rapid otter
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I'm 16

thick escarp
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Yeah, just make fun of me. I could be both of your dad... 😄 I am 40. My three kids are 8, 6, and 4.

coarse birch
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Haha wow that's cool tho

thick escarp
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Almost kinda like Linus, now that I think about it. A few years older maybe...

coarse birch
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I don't even know Linus' age

thick escarp
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And it's probably the reason why I could more easily afford a bhaptics suit. 😉

coarse birch
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I think he's like 36-40?

thick escarp
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Something like that, yes. But I just figured he also had three kids who will probably be a very similar age to mine.

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And he could also afford a bhaptics suit. And maybe make a video about it. That would be cool. Most of the ones I found were sponsored, so I don't really trust them.

coarse birch
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Oh yeah I sometimes forget that Linus has kids kekw

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Yeah sponsored reviews are... sponsored.

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@ Linus and ask for a review for a suit thingy LUL

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I wonder if we can DM him. Imagine being able to tell Linus that you like his content

rapid otter
rapid otter
coarse birch
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Probs hahaha

thick escarp
soft hound
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He has DMs disabled from non-friends

coarse birch
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Yeah gg for staying in tha game even at that age (you're not old, but most people your age aren't interested in tech) @thick escarp

coarse birch
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let's all send friend requests /s

thick escarp
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No, really, please don't. I can't tell if you're serious. This leads to nothing but bans. 🙂

rapid otter
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Nah he ain't serious

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I don't wanna get banned from here tbh

thick escarp
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Phew. Thought so.

rapid otter
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We got a nice channel

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I don't look much at the rest tho

thick escarp
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Yep, very friendly atmsphere.

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Yes, way too much chatter to follow everything.

rapid otter
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I made friends with ppl here and that's so cool

coarse birch
haughty thistle
# thick escarp Yeah, Europeans get pretty much f*ed with anything made in the US. We pay tons o...

What you're forgetting is that in the US, the listed price never includes sales tax, and sales tax varies wildly from state to state (OR 0%, whereas NY 10% I think). Here in the EU, it's mandatory for companies to include the sales tax in the listed price. Besides that, sales tax in Europe is usually much higher then what you'd find in the states. Germany has the second smallest one in the entirety of the EU with "just" 19%, only beaten by Luxembourg with their 18% if I remember correctly

coarse birch
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Prices in Canada also never includes sales taxes because they're different for each province. Isn't it like that everywhere or some countries have a fixed sales tax for the whole country? @haughty thistle

haughty thistle
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Fixed sales tax for the entire country is pretty common everywhere else afaik. Like I said, the whole of Germany has 19%, whole of France has 20%. I don't know much about other countries outside of the EU (well, besides Switzerland with their laughable 7% over the entire country and maybe additional charges for some Cantons but not all), so there might be some wild systems out there

coarse birch
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oh nice

rapid otter
#

@haughty thistle yesterday you said that overclocking was pointless sure it's not night and day tho i got a 10% performance gain, with a low end Rtx 2060 once you get a better gpu you can get 15 % or even more

haughty thistle
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Thing is, if you know what you're doing you can get a noticeable performance gain, but usually it's within the realm of a few FPS on modern cards. And let's face it, 2 FPS more or less, while it can be measured, isn't really a huge gain

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I'm specifically not talking in % but in FPS, as that's what you're mostly going to be noticing (up until a certain point)

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Unless you consider raising the power limit as overclocking

coarse birch
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Are all "Oculus Rift" compatible games on Steam also working with Oculus Quest 2 in VirtualDesktop? In the "Browse VR categories" there is only Rift and not Quest

haughty thistle
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When you use the Quest in PCVR mode it acts like a Rift HMD, so yes, if a game is Rift compatible, it is also Quest compatible

coarse birch
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Alright thanks

rapid otter
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I wanted to show you it was about more than what you may have thought

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But like i said it's not night and day

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I really love doing it as a hobby for me

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Tho i can't afford more cards rn to play with but i will in the future

haughty thistle
#

Btw. I was curious as to how much of a difference cranking the power limit on a 3090 would make, and well... At least in my PC, not a lot. It's within margin of error I'd say.
The 3090 is probably temperature bound anyways, so I might as well leave it stock and call it a day cbWhatever

rapid otter
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No if your pc is properly cooled if shouldn't be temperature bound

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If you are curious and don't want to bother overclocking much you can try this

rapid otter
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Overclocking is allowing the card to run at higher clocks for a given amount of power

tawdry dove
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If it's an evga 3090 that vram is gonna get nicely toasted

rapid otter
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It says it on the tutorial I'm pretty sure but check your temps before

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Especially on vram

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What's your model ?

thick escarp
# haughty thistle Fixed sales tax for the entire country is pretty common everywhere else afaik. L...

Say what? You're European as well? Man, I thought this is a mostly North American channel. 🤣 Anyways: Yes, the tax is on top of US prices, but it's still nowhere near what we pay. I mean, in this example, a bhaptics tactsuit 16x is 299$ in the US, and it is 419€, which sums up to 498$. That's a 67% "Europe tax", still sounds pretty high to me. 😉 And if you add shipping, it gets worse.

An example we can all relate to: The lttstore water bottle is 29.99$. If I order it, I have to pay 5.70$ Canadian tax and 15.99$ for shipping. Then I can add another 19% German tax on that. So the "real price" of an lttstore water bottle here is a whopping 61.50$. That's more than double. 🤪

pale orbit
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or pay a fraction of the price for a non branded water bottle in a local store.

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you can sharpie on LTT if you really need to get your fanboy on

thick escarp
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I know, but that's not what this was about. 😉

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Just an example how things are expensive in Europe, for some reason, which sucks.

rapid otter
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This server has 100 000 members so you can a find a but of everyone here

haughty thistle
thick escarp
haughty thistle
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Really?

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I've bought a Waterbottle and a Hoodie from LTTStore.com and did not infact pay any taxes on order. I did however pay the German tax on arrival

thick escarp
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I would surely have to pay some tax...

haughty thistle
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🤔

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There is this new EU policy that allows stores to charge the tax up-front, so the customer doesn't have to on arrival.
Doing the maths, it seems like they're charging the German tax (19%) for not just the bottle, but also shipping

thick escarp
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Oh, that's really convenient actually! I haven't seen this, most stores will just have the delivery driver collect the tax...

haughty thistle
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So my guess is that LTTStore.com is participating in this EU policy. The fact that they include the shipping in the tax is totally normal as well. Sales tax applies to not just product, but also shipping

rapid otter
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Also i would advise to only overclock your core

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Not the vram

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For safety

haughty thistle
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I have done a cooling pad mod on my 3090 FE pepelol

rapid otter
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Ok so it should be good then

coarse birch
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taxes are rough

thick escarp
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Has anyone here played "Asgard's Wrath"? Apparently, I got that for free when making my Oculus account ages ago, and I never even considered it... But it seems it's a pretty good game?

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132GB? Man, I'm soon gonna have to get another drive for the PC I hardly use, just for the huge VR games... 🤯

sullen linden
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I started Asgard’s Wraith and seems pretty good so far. Only have a few hours into it so far and killed off my turtle accidentally so I will have to make another one. Lol

trim moat
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@thick escarp if you changed your name to Florian Celciberger you would've gotten a discount.

thick escarp
soft hound
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Fahrenheit vs Celsius

coarse birch
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celcius

trim moat
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I'm also the father of two so my jokes are x2 bad

keen bronze
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i feel like i too poor to be in this channel

thick escarp
thick escarp
rapid otter
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Nah you aren't senile

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@thick escarp

rapid otter
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Sure vr cost more than flat screen gaming

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But i saved money for a long time and i could afford it

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If you are really interested they are way to play on somewhat of a budget

thick escarp
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Yay! I actually "found" an SSD and added it to my system. It was in an external case. I used to use those as scratch disks for editing video, now I store everything on a big NAS, so I could salvage the drive... New room for new games now, will be able to install 132 gigs of Asgard's Wrath. Although I might not be able to play it, it seems like it takes quite some time, my rarest commodity...

thick escarp
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Wait... What??? @rapid otter Boneworks was made by Stress Level Zero? Brandon Laatsch from the freddiew channel, who I followed ages ago, and his team of Indie developers?

How did I not know this? I'm gonna look at it in an entirely different way now! That is freaking awesome! Always thought of it as a huge corporate game. No regrets about buying it now.

rapid otter
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It was

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@thick escarp check your DM's

tawdry dove
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You'd be suprised how cheap vr can be

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It's hard to remember since how bad the market is messed up

thick escarp
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@rapid otter I am too stupid to appreciate this game. People always say that it's cool because you can think and do just the things you would do in the real world, but I am an inelegant mess in this game world. Whatever I am trying to do, it takes me 5 tries even though I could do it perfectly fine in the real world... I couldn't even tell you where I am in the story now, it all just seems like "I walk around, solve some puzzles and harm some red dudes", it all looks the same to me. 😦 I just had some more exciting music and fought my way through some sort of trench...

rapid otter
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Ok 👌

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That's understandable

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@thick escarp

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It's a weird game for sure

thick escarp
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I'll probably play it through, just for giggles. I also seem to recognize quite a few voice actors, which is funny. 🙂 But yeah, the game just isn't enough "fun" for me because I can't get a good grip on the controls and everything feels so tedious.

rapid otter
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All right you could get used to it afterward

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Idk

gaunt perch
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I wanted to ask can I HTC Vive run of a GTX 1050ti?

pale orbit
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no, it can't even run many games at 1080p and 60fps

open steeple
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yo

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whats the best vr headset

bleak night