virtual-reality

[haughty thistle]

I'd almost go as far as to say that a Vive Pro 1 with some modifications and Index controllers might actually be a better experience then the Index, but that's probably even more expensive and isn't as convenient to use

[earnest vapor]

hm

[chilly imp]

What ever you buy, make sure to get new facial/back foam, you can get them from VRCOVER

[earnest vapor]

ok

[chilly imp]

Vive Pro + Index controllers is a sweet combo

[haughty thistle]

^ This would be one modification I'd suggest on any Vive headset. With the Index, I honestly prefer the stock foam over the fake leather from VRCover

[chilly imp]

Has been using for about a year with no problem. Vive wireless is a pain though

[earnest vapor]

ok

[haughty thistle]

True... Might send my adapter in for repair, as even with a fan strapped on it, it still does like to shut down on occasion. I feel like might might be broken or something...

[earnest vapor]

ok the controllers arent much...

and the headset is like

[haughty thistle]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284375168749?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3Dc323251ce8e34361bc44ad5c98050bfc%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D393456076352%26itm%3D284375168749%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DHTC&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1

[earnest vapor]

y tf is it in gbp

[haughty thistle]

This one popped up, but it's in Pound Sterling, so probably shipping from the UK

[earnest vapor]

60 pounds shipping

bruh

[haughty thistle]

That's international shipping for ya

[earnest vapor]

also im not buying one rn also its 1 more hour

[haughty thistle]

Even sending a Package from Germany to Fance cost me 18€...

[earnest vapor]

dang

ok no way https://www.ebay.com/itm/334082772300?epid=8044705669&hash=item4dc8e28d4c:g:mAIAAOSw~sNg9fhU

oh i would also need base stations

[haughty thistle]

Just the headset again. Controllers are another 300$ and lighthouses would be another 300

[earnest vapor]

andd those are out of stock

yeah

yikes pcvr is more expensive than standalone

[haughty thistle]

Well, you can also get the original Vive lighthouses still from HTC, which are sold at multiple electronics store still

[earnest vapor]

how much

[haughty thistle]

300$ for a pair of lighthouses and 300 for a pair of controllers (just as much as a pair of Index ones)

[earnest vapor]

m

and the headset

thats so much

so the rift s REQUIRES a facebook account

period

[haughty thistle]

For any Oculus headset you need to log in. For previous headsets like the Rift S, Rift CV1 and Quest 1, you can use a legacy Oculus account, but you can't create those any more. The only other option is a Facebook account

I did mention one last option earlier: Microsoft a while back tried to enter the VR market by offering the platform and tracking system as a cheap alternative. Multiple manufacturers then made the hardware based on the plattform: Windows Mixed Reality.

[earnest vapor]

hm

well im in a tight spot

are there any new headsets coming soon?

[haughty thistle]

Just to name a few options in the WMR space:

• Lenovo Explorer
• Samsung Odyssey(+)
• HP VR 1000, Reverb G1, Reverb G2 (600$ new btw)
• Dell Visor
• Acer Windows Mixed Reality Headset, Ojo 500

[haughty thistle]

Well, there's the DecaGear, but until actual, independent reviews are out, I wouldn't get my hopes too high up...

[earnest vapor]

are these all good and steam vr headsets?

[haughty thistle]

Most of these WMR headsets are discontinued btw

[earnest vapor]

oh

so facebook is kinda killing VR

[haughty thistle]

Yup. To the point.

[earnest vapor]

well then

[haughty thistle]

WMR has it's own home environment, just like Oculus does, but with a plugin you can use them in SteamVR as well. Their tracking isn't the greatest, but for a budget option it's not too bad either. it's like a bottom of the barrel option and that is usually reflected in the price (exception being the 2 Reverb Headsets)

I got into VR thanks to a 200€ Lenovo Explorer back in 2018 (back when they were still sold new)

[earnest vapor]

i may just hold off for now

i would use a oculus but

im just super against bad privacy

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, if you wanna avoid Facebook, it's probably best to just save up until you can afford something higher end. It's the sad reality for VR right now, and I believe that in the long run Facebooks dominance is only going to hurt the industry...

[earnest vapor]

ok i may save up for a index

[haughty thistle]

Unless someone actually files a lawsuit for monopolistic behaviour by Facebook and splits out Oculus from Facebook...

[earnest vapor]

or what is the best high end headset

[haughty thistle]

There is no single best high end headset sadly

[earnest vapor]

ok

[haughty thistle]

The Vive Pro 2 almost made it, if it wasn't for it's rather glary lenses. The Index probably still is the best all-in-one-box option tho

[earnest vapor]

whats the best in your opinion

index ok

[haughty thistle]

Pimax I wouldn't recommend to a VR novice. Way too much tinkering required, and even then one just has to accept that certain parts of the experience aren't as great as they are on other headsets...

[earnest vapor]

ok

i will try to get a index

should i get new or used

[haughty thistle]

If you can, rather go new. Gives you the best chances of it it working long term, and if it fails early, you can rely on Steam Support to give you a quick and easy replacement

[earnest vapor]

ok, thanks. if any new headsets come out of no where, i will message you about if they are worth it. Thanks for helping me!

[haughty thistle]

No Problem ^^

[indigo sequoia]

I tried a microsoft hololens 2 yesterday

omg it's so freaking INSANE

(I have two VR headsets at home btw)

I want one so much

[flat pawn]

Is it vr

Or ar

[harsh niche]

ar

[flat pawn]

Arrrr

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/iDb0OjNG2is

[languid cape]

This system any good for VR. Price is in CAD. $1821 USD

[gloomy crater]

I'd that system is comfortably within the recommended specs for VR.

[languid cape]

Yeah but is it worth $1800+ USD

[toxic wasp]

I think its a bit overpriced, tho, dont rely on my infos.

[fringe rover]

Hi im building a new pc for vr gameing and I just wanted to see other peoples opions on it I made a pc part picker list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fgLkYg

[harsh niche]

a bit overpriced

[languid cape]

Hmm good information

[haughty thistle]

That GPU might be a little under powered for more higher res headsets, but it should do fine for a start. Say, what headset do you plan to pair with this system?

[acoustic gate]

Pimax 8k

[earnest vapor]

What’s the best starter vr game

[rapid otter]

Super hot

Or job simulator

Once you played these you can get into more complicated ones, the thing is if you start with Boneworks for example you will struggle i think

[bleak night]

tbh, the lab is a great start

its free aswell

also uh.. anyone know why i get screen tearing when the game im playing is the focused window

if its unfocused, runs fine

[rapid otter]

Wdym focused

@bleak night

[rapid otter]

Also oculus first step or first Contact are very good tho they lest 30 min at most, but they get you introduced

[bleak night]

as in the window if the game being highlighted

[rapid otter]

Are you using steam vr ?

@bleak night

[bleak night]

yeah

have to

[rapid otter]

I used to have an issue as an early adopter of airlink where i would have to click on the steam vr pop-up for the games to run good

Try it

Just click the window and windows will put it as more important

[bleak night]

hmm? the steamvr compositor?

[rapid otter]

The little window that open on a corner

[bleak night]

yeah i need a fix without having to do that

a few games like dirt rally 2.0 pause the game if you unfocus the game window

[rapid otter]

This thing

[bleak night]

yeah, it pauses dirt rally 2

[rapid otter]

Ok ok

Then try one task manager

[bleak night]

hmm?

[rapid otter]

If have plenty of fixes for this kind of thing

Ok stick with me

In task manager you need to find steam vr

When you got it send me a picture

I don't have my pc rn

[bleak night]

hold on a sec then

[rapid otter]

I used to have a lot of issue tho i have to say I'm all good

[bleak night]

yeah

ive already made sure my mobo bios was updated, aswell as my gpu firmware, and gpu drivers

[rapid otter]

95% of the time it's about the communication between steam vr and the game

Also explain why airlink is not working sometimes well adds another layer

Anyway

Click the arrow on steam vr

To have the details

[bleak night]

yeah

just steamvr status

as a quick note, everything is being run as administrator

i do mean everything, im logged in as administrator

so there shouldnt be any issue with permissions

[bleak night]

so what now?

[rapid otter]

Send a pic pls

I did it like 2 month ago

[rapid otter]

Have you started the game ?

[bleak night]

i havnt

[rapid otter]

Do it then

[bleak night]

ok

[haughty thistle]

Oh lol

Had that same issue on my Pimax 8k X. Never was able to fix it either. Have you tried turning off Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling?

[bleak night]

havent tried

though it developed randomly..

[rapid otter]

I know how to fix it, for me at lest

[bleak night]

was playing neos one day, nothing changed, and suddenly i was getting a weird screen tear/stutter

[haughty thistle]

Turning that off fixed some stuttering issue I had on my VP2. In both cases it only appeared, when the framerate dropped below a certain point. On the Pimax it was 60fps and on the VP2 45fps...

[rapid otter]

Are you running the game on your headset ?

[bleak night]

yeah

[rapid otter]

Steam vr says otherwise from what I know

[haughty thistle]

Doesn't necessairly

[rapid otter]

Ok

[bleak night]

its in game

[rapid otter]

You need to put steam vr and higher priority

[bleak night]

huh? its running as admin

[rapid otter]

Right click on steam vr status

-Details

[haughty thistle]

From what I understand, when HW-GPU_Scheduling is enabled, it can cause some issues with it confusing the process priority of VR applications and ends up rapitly moving the priority around. @bleak night, check if the GPU utilization jumps around a lot, even though the scene doesn't chang

[rapid otter]

I'm confused

Why does task manager looks different on my pc ?

I have access to more things

[haughty thistle]

Win10 Pro vs home maybe?

[bleak night]

seems fairly stable

im running 10 pro

[haughty thistle]

Weird...

[rapid otter]

Me too

[haughty thistle]

Have you OVR Toolkit installed?

[rapid otter]

Pro

[bleak night]

i do

[haughty thistle]

Check what it says about the GPU load

[bleak night]

i can check on FPSVR

[rapid otter]

The thing i did was putting more of the pc power on steam vr

Or on the game

[haughty thistle]

When I experienced the stuttering on my VP2, only OVR Toolkit showed weird behavior of the GPU where the utilization was jumping wildly anywhere from 100% down to as low as 11%...

[haughty thistle]

Doesn't help. Windows does allocate the majority of resources automatically to the foreground window. What I think is happening is that the HW-GPU-Schedular get#s confused as to what the foreground application is (SteamVR being the background compositor can confuse a number of things)

[bleak night]

13ms frametime on gpu

cpu its 5ms

[rapid otter]

I had stuttering because oculus sent notification overlapping steam taking all the piwer

[bleak night]

98% usage smooth graph on gpu

[rapid otter]

Fr it worked for me

[bleak night]

cpu 10% a little jumpy but expected

[haughty thistle]

@bleak night, if you have this enabled, turn it off and see if it works better after a restart

[bleak night]

il check scheduler, should have a shortcut in ghost toolbox

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, see if turning off helps ^^

[bleak night]

il check

love how i get a bunch of cmd errors when restarting

a good sign for sure

[rapid otter]

Do you have saves on the game ?

[bleak night]

i just started playing it yesterday so sorta?

[haughty thistle]

@rapid otter, it's not like I don't believe your approach won't work, it's more that what you were trying to do is only helpful in a minute amount of cases, but can hurt performance in most others. For example, if you have a multiple NUMA-Node System, but the game isn't NUMA aware, that's when pinning a process to a specific amount of Threats can help, but usually it works against Windows's own process assignment system and can really mess up things. There's a reason that feature is only available in Pro.
Besides, Screen tearing (what Sylva has) is more of a low-level problem, whereas stutters can be both.
Honestly, if this didn't fix it, it's either a GPU-Driver thing, a PiTool thing or maybe even a firmware issue on the HMD itself...

[bleak night]

hmm.. no video on the hmd

game video output is also brokenb

[haughty thistle]

Weird...

[bleak night]

very

[rapid otter]

I understand your point, i just try to help by the ways that worked for me

[bleak night]

oh wait

the pissmax doesnt see base stations yet

il seet it to 9axis for the moment

its very picky with base stations at times

[haughty thistle]

Understandably so. I think the Pimax Headsets are some of the fewest sensor devices with Lighthouse tracking...

[bleak night]

that fixed it

but new issue

i think the post processing is screwed

looking left, the brightess goes down by 50%

on both my monitor and hmd

[earnest vapor]

I’m looking about games for a index

[bleak night]

didnt happen before

il see if neos still does it

[haughty thistle]

Looks more like the game has dynamic brightness scaling...

ETS 2 does a similar thing, but I feel like that game handles it more gracefully

But then again,. you're right. It does seem a bit excessive. Definetrly something from the engine, but quite extreme...

[bleak night]

neos seems good

though im getting frametimes of nearly 20ms

well, 20ms jumps

and average at 17ms

i did find a new life hack for vr

put the pimax on top of my pc, it fits right over my external radiator fans

it preheats the headset to stop fog

[haughty thistle]

Heh

Be careful to not pre-heat it too much. Apparently Pimax is still using the same plastics as with the original black casing models, just with a more resitive coating on it. And that plastic apparently has a relatively low melting point...

[bleak night]

yeah its fine, the heat from the radiators is fairly low

[haughty thistle]

I've seen a 5k Plus with melted plastic on the bottom. Just melted from the heat of it's own electronics

[bleak night]

like around 30-35c

the headset itself gets hotter on top than my pc does

[haughty thistle]

Then you should be fine. Just figured I'd tell you ^^

[bleak night]

yeah

oh

thanks LG.

sits perfectly on it.. just need more fan grills

[rapid otter]

I want to train for some Boneworks speed runs

I always liked speedrun

[bleak night]

i need to play more boneworks still

[rapid otter]

Have you finished it ?

[bleak night]

not yet

not enough space to anyway

[rapid otter]

Damn i did it 5 times

[bleak night]

i gotta recover my save still

its on my old install, that i copied to a folder on my hdd

aha found it

[lofty minnow]

@bleak night ill give you a 100% completion file if you want :d

[bleak night]

oh nice, id be down

once i beat the story itd be fun to mess with sandbox

[lofty minnow]

well if you do want to mess around with the sandbox afterwards i highly recommend modding it at least a little bit with Easy Menu and custom Player Model

[bleak night]

yeah

custom player model will be a bit.. hard to do here id say

since if i used any model, its be the machibari i use

[lofty minnow]

machibari?

[bleak night]

this model

[rapid otter]

I have a plethora of very high quality gun mods i can give you

Also i know a plugging that allows you to spawn any item in any game mode

But I'll give you everything one you finished it

Tho if @lofty minnow you want it tell me

[lofty minnow]

i already have my library of mods

[bleak night]

i got no mods here but i do need some

[lofty minnow]

well start with the basics like easymenu and frameworks

also when i was referring to models i was referring to something more in the tone of bw

like this

ford but with gloves my favorite

or this

https://bonetome.com/boneworks/playermodel/552/

which basically removes your whole body except your hands just like in hla

tho im not a fan of this one cus it doesn't really have the bw feel to it if u ask me

[rapid otter]

https://youtu.be/6mOhVxKEiZM

This one worked for me

If i put melon loader 3.0

[earnest vapor]

is the valve index worth it

im seeing that there are alot of problems

that people are saying they have had

[haughty thistle]

Best all-in-one-box option. If you're willing to spend more, there are better options, but you'd have to buy things from different sources

Index Controllers are unbeaten in features tho

[earnest vapor]

what do you reccomend for someone who will be using it for

10 hours a week

how fast would it become problematic

[haughty thistle]

Probably not very fast

I've had my Index for over 2 years now, used it almost daily for a while, but not so much anymore. Still works like a charm

[earnest vapor]

i was also thinking about waiting for the index 2, but that isnt even a guarantee

[earnest vapor]

ok

[haughty thistle]

Nobody knows when Valve is ever going to release an Index 2. Earliest date would be next year, but even then, nobody knows when

[earnest vapor]

i mean i could buy out and get a htc vive/vive pro headset with the index controllers and base stations but...

is the vive pro 2 good?

or not worth it

[haughty thistle]

Also, there'll always be "the next better thing". So if you'd wait for the Index 2, even though we still don't have any clear evidence of when it would possibly come, it's like never buying computer parts, because they are obsolete next year...

[earnest vapor]

like my 2080 super (fun fact i got that the day of the 30 series release, i had ordered it a week earlier and picked it up the day of the 30 series launch)

[haughty thistle]

I'd say the Vive Pro 2 has less lens glare themn the Index, but it's lens glare is more notable and distracting then the Index imo. If I had the choice between VP1 and VP2, and I could only choose one, I'd probably go for the VP1

[earnest vapor]

ok

so would index controllers with a vp1 be good?

[haughty thistle]

Absolutely. I have 6 headsets in my collection right now (yes 6) and the VP1 is currently my daily driver, with the other headsets only used for certain games/occasions

[earnest vapor]

ok

[earnest vapor]

but i also noticed the base stations arent sold separately, at least they have been sold out for a couple months now

[earnest vapor]

wow

[haughty thistle]

Both 1.0 and 2.0 lighthouses are sold at multiple retailers made by HTC. Valve also has their own 2.0 lighthouses, but they've been sold out for a while now, as they are still catching up with demand on the Full Kit

[earnest vapor]

yeah

[haughty thistle]

You can for example get HTC lighthouses from Amazon as an example

[earnest vapor]

ok

[haughty thistle]

They can also be had on the second hand market btw

[earnest vapor]

ok

https://www.amazon.com/HTC-SteamVR-Base-Station-2-0-pc/dp/B07VZSDF3W/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=vive+lighthouse&qid=1627043802&sr=8-4

like this

[haughty thistle]

Yup. The 1.0 lighthouses are cheaper and for 99% of use cases are absolutely enough

[earnest vapor]

also does the vive pro have ANY problems

[earnest vapor]

oh ok

oh wow, these are much cheaper https://www.ebay.com/itm/133827067118?hash=item1f28b6fcee:g:BPkAAOSwnXFgwBwL

[haughty thistle]

The mic and headphones aren't the greatest in the world. They get the job done for the beginning, but my recommendation is to install an active Type-C to Headphone jack adapter and using a gaming headset on top, which can be connected with a 4-pole headphone jack

[earnest vapor]

ok, i have a 3.5 millimeter audio jack headset, would that be good?

[haughty thistle]

Just be aware that for full 360° roomscale, you're going to need 2 lighthouses

[earnest vapor]

yeah i know

thanks though

ok so i think im going to buy my lighthouses from ebay, the headset on the vive website, and the controllers from steam

is that good?

[haughty thistle]

Should be fine. If the mic connects with a seperate connection, you might need an adapter or use a headphone-jack adapter on the Vive that accepts to jacks, one for mic and one for audio. The one I have in my Vive has support for a single jack which carries both mic and audio

[lofty minnow]

i wonder if facebook will make a pcvr headset ever again

[earnest vapor]

nah

[earnest vapor]

nope one cable

and do i need any mods?

[haughty thistle]

Probably not. With how they've been acting, I can imagine that they'd even want to turn off the ability to use PCVR titles on the Quest actually...

[earnest vapor]

because the portable vr scene is more popular due to not having to have a pc

[lofty minnow]

it wouldn't make sense to turn off the ability to do that since they're developing airlink and released oculus link

[earnest vapor]

whats the difference

also what is a good size room

[haughty thistle]

The Type-C port is hidden under a flap on the VP1. One thing it doesn#t support is passive adapters, like the one included with your phone. You'd need to ensure the adapter you're buying has a DAC in it, aka is like a little USB device.
Other then that, one last recommendation that I have for the Vive Pro (just as much as any other Vive headset) is to get a facial interface replacement from vrcover.com

[earnest vapor]

yikes

[lofty minnow]

if you're worried about the index 2 releasing why not just buy the index 1 full kit now and get a new hmd when they release the 2nd one?

[earnest vapor]

i decided not to get a index, just the controllers

[haughty thistle]

1.0 Lighthouses have a flat front, 2.0s a curved one. The latter have a wider FOV and allow for up to 4 lighthouses per playspace. 2 lighthouses with the 1.0 FOV is plenty for regular consumers.
Word of caution though: You can't mix 1.0 and 2.0 lighthouses in the same playspace!

[earnest vapor]

ok

which one do i need

[haughty thistle]

I have just the 16mm front one. If you don't need glasses, you can go for the 10mm for a little more FOV in-game

[earnest vapor]

wait what

[haughty thistle]

The back one can be more hygenic, but I heard it can also make it more slippery

[earnest vapor]

so which one is best

[haughty thistle]

Technically the 10mm, but if you need to wear glasses, you'd want the extra space added by the 16mm foam

[earnest vapor]

i dont wear glasses

[haughty thistle]

The 16mm foam is like the stock interface, while the 10mm is thinner so it puts your eyes closer to the lenses

[earnest vapor]

oh the 10mm is out of stocl

*stock

[haughty thistle]

RIP

[earnest vapor]

how long will it be until it gets back in stock

[haughty thistle]

I don't know. Ask the VRCover support. They are usually pretty quick and super friendly

[earnest vapor]

ok, will do when i get to that point

well it seems that im going to probably get a vive pro and index controllers with 1.0 basestations.

is there any setup i would need to do?

or is it through steam vr

[haughty thistle]

Nope. The VP1 runs right off of SteamVR. No extra setup required

[earnest vapor]

oh ok

[haughty thistle]

HTC has some bloatware they want you to download, but no need for that

[earnest vapor]

ok

its still a huge price tag

is the original vive good? whats the difference between the pro and non pro

[haughty thistle]

The Original Vive is usually a bit cheaper as it's older. The main difference is that the original Vive uses rubber straps similar to the Quest 2 and the original Vive also has way lower resolution screens. (1080x1200 per eye for the OG Vive and 1440x1600 per eye for the Vive Pro 1)

[earnest vapor]

also are there any "rules" of vr to never do with your headset, because i want this to last more than 5 minutes

[earnest vapor]

ok thanks

[haughty thistle]

Never ever let sunlight hit the lenses directly, and don't clean the lenses with any chemical agents. A damp cloth is all you want to use

[earnest vapor]

ok is that it? (apart from the logical things like dont throw it against the wall and pour liquids on it)

[haughty thistle]

Especially as you start out, you do want to take regular breaks. Best to not pull an all-nighter. Same applies to if you start feeing sick or starting to get a headache. Rather take a break then try to push on.

[earnest vapor]

ok

also is unity the best way to make vr games?

im just wondering if i decide to screw around with vr development

[haughty thistle]

The Vive Headsets and the Index have a number of different adjustment mechanisms (like IPD adjustment and an eye relief slider). You'd want to match the IPD of the lenses as close to your eyes IPD as possible to get as clear of an image as possible. The eye relief slider you might want to adjust if it helps with comfort in VR

[earnest vapor]

how would i know my IPD

[haughty thistle]

I've honestly never played around with VR game development. I've seen a number of VR titles written in unity, so it should be fine

[earnest vapor]

ok

[haughty thistle]

The most accurate way I've found is to take a ruler with you to a mirror. Then what you'd do is close your right eye and alight the 0 mark with the center of your left eyes pupil. Then you close your left eye and put a finger next to the mark that is the closest to the center of your right eyes pupil. Now you can take away the ruler and read what it says. IPD is usually measured in mm (Millimeters). If you can't find a metric ruler, you can measure it in imperial units and convert, but it's not going to be just as accurate

[earnest vapor]

there are probally mobile apps for this i bet lol

[haughty thistle]

The Vive headsets also come with a little booklet with a metric ruler printed on btw

[haughty thistle]

There are, but they almost never work as accurate as a properly calibrated ruler 😉

[earnest vapor]

fair

[haughty thistle]

Maybe once that use Apples FaceID sensors might be usable

[earnest vapor]

i dont have a face id phone

[haughty thistle]

Welp...

[earnest vapor]

i will use the ruler method

ok is there anything else i need to know

[haughty thistle]

Don't step on the cable and don't bend it too much? Most VR cables are optical-hybrid cables, meaning they have tiny little glass fibers inside. Bend them to tightly or crush them, and your cable is toast. At least HTC does sell cable replacements on their website...

[earnest vapor]

ok

[haughty thistle]

Oh, and the Vive and Vive Pro have OLED screens. You'd want to leave them plugged in for a bit after using them, so the electronics have some time to mitigate possible burn-in, before it becomes visible. You wouldn't want to unplug an OLED TV right after using it for the same reason. Although, I doubt a VR headset is as susceptible to it...

[earnest vapor]

ok

i mean im going to keep all my stuff plugged in

why would i unplug stuff

[haughty thistle]

I dunno. Some people like to. Turning off the link box does seem to do the same as unplugging it btw

[young marten]

OLED blacks be gud

bet that's good for horror games

[earnest vapor]

lol

i mean beat saber is one game i wanna start with, is that good?

and also half life alyx because i get it for free with the controllers

[haughty thistle]

It is. Until you get reminded for OLED black-level smearing. It's rare that it becomes notable, but there are occasions. HLA for example >.>

Beat Saber is awesome (actually the reason I bought VR originally), and yes, Half Life Alyx comes free with all Index Hardware purchases, except the base stations

[earnest vapor]

ok

[fringe rover]

Quest 2

[earnest vapor]

also is there any new headsets coming soon that would instantly make my setup irrelevant

[fringe rover]

I fell asleep lol

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, should be fine. You might want to turn down the render resolution in some games though...

[rapid otter]

You need to play Boneworks my man

[earnest vapor]

i will

[haughty thistle]

Not as of right now. There are literally no more OLED VR headsets coming to the consumer market. The Vive Pro was the last PCVR native one with OLED, so you should be fine

[fringe rover]

Ok thanks

[earnest vapor]

ok

also what are the downsides of oled

because there has to be downsides

[rapid otter]

👍

[rapid otter]

Possible burn-in and price

[earnest vapor]

what causes burn ins, and can i get a new headset for free if it happens

[haughty thistle]

One I already mentioned: Blackness smearing. In very dark gray to black areas, there might be slight purplish ghosting visible. It's basically invisible in 95% of use cases, but in Half Life Alyx, there was an area where I did notice it (not saying where to prevent spoilers)

[rapid otter]

Maybe you will get one if you have guaranty

[earnest vapor]

ok, i dont really mind

[rapid otter]

Burning happens if the pixel display the exact thing for too long, pixel get somehow stuck

[haughty thistle]

Burn-In almost never happens on VR. It's when the same image get's shown on screen for too long. As long as SteamVR puts the headset to sleep, and you use only titles that use head tracking to some degree, you should be fine

[rapid otter]

But don't worry

[earnest vapor]

it shouldn't happen?

[haughty thistle]

On a technical level, what happens is actually that the organic parts of the sub pixel start to degrade and can't light up as brightly

[earnest vapor]

so i just need to turn off my headset when i stop using it period

[rapid otter]

It's if you leave it for like 8hours with a still image you will get a tiny burn in

But it's normally in the course of months or even years

[earnest vapor]

so i just need to MAKE SURE i dont keep it on accidentally

[rapid otter]

My dad mac is completely burned lmao everything stays for 5 secs

[rapid otter]

Yep that's all

After use just un plug

[haughty thistle]

DONT!

[earnest vapor]

why

[rapid otter]

But if you leave it on your table powered to go to the toilet it's fine

[rapid otter]

I disagree from what I know

[earnest vapor]

ok

[haughty thistle]

OLED screens have techniques to mitigate slight changes to the OLED substrate, before they become burned-in. These do require power to work and usually act when the screen is turned off but has power

[earnest vapor]

ok so i should turn it off

but not unplug it for like a couple minutes

[haughty thistle]

So don't unplug the headset the moment you're done. Just close SteamVR and you're fine

[haughty thistle]

Yup.

[rapid otter]

I didn't knew it thanks

Then do what he says

[haughty thistle]

SteamVR also turns off the screen after about 5 seconds of the device not moving, so you should be fine in that regards

[neon basin]

What kind of screen does the CV1 have?

[haughty thistle]

It also has OLED screens

[earnest vapor]

ok sounds good

so i just dont be stupid

and how long should it last

[haughty thistle]

Years with enough care really

[earnest vapor]

ok

[haughty thistle]

I've seen samsung phones with OLED screens from 2014 with barely any visible burn-in

Granted, different use-case, but both OLED

[earnest vapor]

alright

also would i need to drill in my basestations, just wondering

[rapid otter]

I have my oled phone burned but it's just battery and notification icons

[earnest vapor]

how old is it

also is a pully system good?

[haughty thistle]

You don't necessarily. There are people who have theirs on Tripods, but I wouldn't recommend that. Best case is having the lighthouses being mounted high up on the wall or into the ceiling. I've also heard of people using commando strips of heavy duty Velcro. Personally I wouldn't trust my lighthouses on some glue, but everyone their own. You'd want to handle the lighthouses careful like a hard drive. They are rather fragile and wouldn't survive a drop from ceiling height

[earnest vapor]

ok, i think i will drill it

[rapid otter]

3 yo

[earnest vapor]

ok

[rapid otter]

For a phone it's totally normal

[earnest vapor]

ok

[rapid otter]

Pulley are good if you can drill your ceiling , idk if adhesive is enough

I never done it

[earnest vapor]

i can drill

[rapid otter]

I am wireless 😎

[earnest vapor]

f L e X

[haughty thistle]

I'm personally fine with the cable on the floor. Be aware that a pully system does add extra stress on the cable and that it might not last as long installed into a pully system

[earnest vapor]

ok i wont tehn

*then

also where can i try vr, ive never tried a actual vr headset (only the ones at the arcade that are like mixed reality headsets and i enjoyed it)

[haughty thistle]

HTC does offer a Wireless Adapter for the Vive, Vive Pro 1 & 2 and Vive Cosmos. It's 400$ and requires an extra fan to not crash, but it super nice when it works. I'd only recommend you get this, if you can justify the extra cost tbh

[rapid otter]

400 $ is overpriced in my opinion

[earnest vapor]

400$ nah

no way

[haughty thistle]

Exacty why I wouldn't recommend it for starters

[earnest vapor]

im fine with a cable

either way im used to having a cable with my headphones

and i get immersed into my monitor lol

[rapid otter]

Also what's your pc

Just gpu/cpu

[earnest vapor]

2080 super ryzen 7 3700x

its good enough

[haughty thistle]

I know that feeling. 34" Ultra-Wide just hits different compared to 16:9...

Not comparable to the immersion of VR tho 😉

[earnest vapor]

i use 16:9

like a normal gaming moniter

and i get immersed

lol

[rapid otter]

Yep

The 7 3700x is the love of my life

[earnest vapor]

lol

[rapid otter]

I had a 5 2600

Then switched, that why I love it

[earnest vapor]

nice

[rapid otter]

The 2080 is very good you'll have a good time

My 2060 (2+ghz) does the job

[earnest vapor]

yes

what games should i get

[rapid otter]

Interesting question

Gonna give you 5 i like

Boneworks (must have)
Half life alyx (must have)
Super hot
Job simulator
The climb (haven't bought it yet but I'll)

[neon basin]

Not beatsaber?

[rapid otter]

Also if you like medieval and fantasy things like magic get blades an sorcery

[rapid otter]

Never tried doesn't look fun to me

[neon basin]

My old S7 had an very big burn in and it sucks

[neon basin]

You have to move your arms and hit cubes on a certain beat. I find it fun but everyone has their opinion

[rapid otter]

I don't know anyone who has it to try

My favorite is Boneworks

A lot of gameplay, unlike beat saber. I think i would be bored

[earnest vapor]

beatsaber aswell

[glossy ibex]

And Pavlov.

[earnest vapor]

eh

[vapid depot]

i have a quest 2 that i use standalone, and the only 3 games i haven’t been bored of so far are beat saber, pavlov and echo VR

[toxic wasp]

BeatSaber is basically a Rythm Game, some people like those games, some dont.

[haughty thistle]

One thing that really sets Beat Saber apart from other rythem games even from VR rythem games is that Beat Saber has a 360° mode, so you actually turn around during game play

[bleak night]

8 lane mode is great too

[rapid otter]

Ho nice

How much is beat saber

30 ?

And they are dlc ?

[haughty thistle]

Hah! If you have the space for it. My playspace is like 3.5m in width and on 8 lane maps I easily trigger the Chaperone bounds at the sides of my playspace at the edges of an 8 lane map...

Yup, Beat Saber is 30 bucks. The DLCs are absolutely optional as there are tons more songs freely available on websites like https://bsaber.com
The game even has official custom song support on PC, but 3 mods I'd recommend installing to get the best custom song experience are Chroma, Mapping Extensions and Noodle Extensions. Thanks to an App called "ModAssistent" the installation of Beat Saber mod is as simple as hitting a checkmark and clicking on "Install"

@rapid otter

[rapid otter]

30 is too much of it was like 10 I'd cop

Maybe I'd there is a big sale

[haughty thistle]

It used to be 20 bucks but when they went went from the pre-release to the 1.0 release in May of 2019, they increased the price to 30 bucks. Doesn't seem to ever have been on sale on Steam, according to SteamDB at least...

[rapid otter]

Huu

Then i won't get it unless i am able to try on someone's pc

Or quest

[modern totem]

any reason why my DP monitor would "restart" when I turn on/off oculus service

it goes black and then after a second or two screen comes back again

sometimes it breaks colors a looot like makes it dark

[rapid otter]

Not that I'm aware off

[haughty thistle]

Could be a driver thing or even a framebuffer problem...
Most likely somewhere in the GPU stack on the PC...

[earnest vapor]

is 14x14 feet a big enough play space

[modern totem]

yeah Im having big VR issues

constant black screens etc

btw is it normal for a rift s to have the back band higher than my occiput

I have to literally screw it in tight below it so the headset wont fall of my head and I see something

[rapid otter]

Is your gpu stock ?

[modern totem]

stock?

I tried it on a 2 RX5700XT's where one was broken indeed
GTX 1660S
and RTX 2060 windforce OC

it was like that on all

[haughty thistle]

Absolutely. As long as all of the space is unoccluded by furniture, you're golden. Damn' that's even larger then my playspace

[rapid otter]

Not overclocked

[lofty minnow]

I have a question, does anyone else lag for like 10 seconds after you go into steamvr dashboard when in vrchat?

[rapid otter]

I used to in every games

Now works fine

[earnest vapor]

My room is that big

My play space

5x6 feet ish

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, that should still be fine

[lofty minnow]

i once saw this video on youtube of this guy with a quest 2 in a empty big facility imagine how cool that must've felt to him

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but wouldn't you need certain patterns for the tracking of the Quest 2 to work? Just having concrete and some metal bars usually isn't enough for tracking...

[lofty minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW5-sr-PsmU

[lofty minnow]

wouldn't some rugs and posters solve the issue

[haughty thistle]

The detail has to be clear enough for the cameras to track them. SLAM Tracking (what is usually used on headsets like the Quest) works on a mix of how much certain objects within the frame of the camera moved as well as trying to detect certain objects in the room, that it knows are in certain places (usually placed in the virtual room as you set up the guardian)

The latter is used exclusively to find the playspace again, incase it has been lost for some reason

[sullen linden]

Right now I can only play seated because my pc is in my bedroom and I have like a 5 foot by 2.5ish foot space surrounded by the bed and the wall and the desk. I might move my second rig to the living room so I can try it actually standing up. Lol

Punching the bed when trying to kill something isn’t too bad but the desk would hurt I bet!

[kindred sapphire]

Moving into student accomodation and I will prolly bring my headset too as I'm bringing my pc setup. I have a pretty smol space in my office already, so hopefully going slightly smaller shouldn't be too bad - Though I mainly only play bs on it lmao

[bleak night]

i wanna get the eye tracking module for my pimax so i can do like

that weird eye tracking playspace manipulation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySbhJEF9fXU

seems hella useful

[lofty minnow]

couldnt understand anything cus it sounds advanced and stuff but looks like it's cool

[bleak night]

basically it uses the time your brain ignores while looking to move the view slightly

so you can have a larger playspace without realizing your actually walking in a smaller room

[modern totem]

I still cant figure it out, launching oculus app or turning it off makes my DP monitor go black and it annoys me soo much

[shell helm]

i connected my oculus to my pc and oculus not detect

i connected display to gpu

and other plug to usb 3

anyone know a fix

my device is up to date

[gloomy crater]

Okay. The laptop I recently got for free just randomly up and died on me. Before it died, I ran the steamvr performance test on it and it said it met the minimum requirements. It was an Asus from 2014 with an I7 4760HQ and a 980M. I'm now looking for a new laptop, and I found one for $900 with a Ryzen 5800H and an RTX 3050. How well would that score for VR potential?

[harsh niche]

never mind

apparently the 3050ti is worse than a 1660ti

which I find very odd

I thought the 1660 was supposed to be bare bones

BUT

I think it would be “okay” for vr

don’t expect to turn the graphics up at all

[gloomy crater]

There's another laptop with a worse processor (10750H) and slightly slower memory, but with a 1660TI Max-Q, 6gb vram as opposed to the 3050's 4gb. Would that be better than the 5800H & 3050?

[lofty minnow]

may i ask why you wanna buy a laptop and not a PC

[gloomy crater]

I have a PC. 3900X + 3070. The issue is that it isn't exactly portable. I find myself wanting to play VR while across the state from my PC more often than you'd think, and I'd rather buy a laptop than sell my soul to the Facebook gods of standalone VR

[gloomy crater]

However it's proving to be more difficult than I initially anticipated because no new companies are coming out with standalone headsets to compete with the quest 2, and not many laptops have the connectivity to run a VR headset. I haven't even found one with a displayport connector yet, just mini displayport.

[pale wagon]

find one with thunderbolt dp to the gpu

[gloomy crater]

The 10750H + 1660TI one has a thunderbolt 3 x1 port, if that counts?

[haughty thistle]

May I ask what roughly your budget is @gloomy crater?
'Cause I've recently purchased an XMG Neo 15 (2020) for like 1500€. It has a 10875H and a 2070 (Refresh) Max-P. I was going back and forth between it and the Core (2021), which Linus recently showed off, but went with last years Neo for the larger amount of VRAM that the 2070 has...
I don't know if Schenker/XMG have something similar to Bestware over in the States though...

[weak bluff]

Ryzen 3 3200G or i3-9100F better for VR?

[pale wagon]

neither are really up to spec, but I guess a zen+ apu is better, neither are good though

[weak bluff]

I'll take it temporary

Until prices of cpu go down

Also i soon will have both until i can sell 9100F to get 9400F

[rustic garnet]

Standalone Xbox VR headset when

[gloomy crater]

Budget should be somewhere around $1k USD, and I'm hoping to be able to get it by September since that's when my next big trip is

[flint ridge]

Didn’t Linus say in one of his videos that there would be a vr pc video

[haughty thistle]

Probably never, or not anytime soon, if we go by what the Chief of Xbox, Phil Spencer, said a while back...
To quote him:

Nobody wants VR

[gloomy crater]

Yeah microsoft kinda shit the bed when it came to VR. They were big on VR marketing at one point but then they basically used just the PSVR sales to gauge audience interaction as a representation of the entire industry.

So when he said "nobody wants VR" what he meant was "we saw that nobody liked PSVR so chances are nobody will like Xbox VR"

[haughty thistle]

I think it has more to do with the flop of WMR. It was completely developed by the Windows Team and only got input by the Xbox team in terms of what components to use for the controllers.
The Xbox team then saw how sluggish the WMR release ended up being and saw that as an indication that VR doesn't have too much interest.
You see, before the Quest and Quest 2 took the market by storm, PSVR was the most sold VR headset...

[lavish jewel]

is this a good investment or should i stick to my google cardboard

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/article4276684.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/airvr4.jpg

[haughty thistle]

That... Is horrible...

[lavish jewel]

ok I'll use my google cardboard instead.

[weak bluff]

Vive Pro 2?

He may replace Index tho

[hushed pond]

also terrible

[rapid otter]

Do you think about a haptic feedback belt that you would wear on your chest something with 6 motors all around, that would be a cheap yet efficient way to provide haptic to everyone

@haughty thistle

[haughty thistle]

Eh. If we'd already go to the effort, might as well make it a full blown vest. Wouldn't be much more expensive, has the potential for longer battery life and is more immersive

[rapid otter]

A vest is 300 minimum

[haughty thistle]

Like I said, a vest wouldn't be much cheaper then a belt

[rapid otter]

I think something in the 90 or 100 € i would cop

[haughty thistle]

The reason they are so expensive is not because of the tech, but rather because they are so low volume that the production cost impact the price more then the material cost

[rapid otter]

Yep

But something more affordable would be some much more i think

Do you own one ?

Because i would love to but it's way to expensive

[haughty thistle]

How do you want to make something that is small volume cheap?

[rapid otter]

That's the neat part

It wouldn't be low volume

[haughty thistle]

Either you cheap out on components and make the product worse, you eat up the cost or you somehow market it so well that people start buying in masses and you can ramp up production

[rapid otter]

I think that with some clever work that product would be very attractive

I may be utopic i know

[haughty thistle]

If you make something in large quantities, you run the risk of getting stuck on unsold stock. Atari can tell you a story 'bout that with the game E.T. for the 2600

[rapid otter]

Fair point

[haughty thistle]

And no company is willing to go to that risk, unless they know the demand is there for it. Sadly, it isn't. Only really the hardcore VR nerds (like us) are interested in strapping up in a full-blown suit to be as immersed as possible. A haptic vest isn't as marketable as a Quest 2 sadly...

And to be totally honest, I don't think even I would be willing to put on a full suit just for VR. Usually my playsessions are too short for it to be worth it. I'd be strapping in and out like 15-30 minutes which can be a lot if your average play session is about an 1 and a half...

[rapid otter]

I'm not sure about it, look at vr headset, 3 years later it was very niche now it becoming mainstream, but surely haptics won't become as mainstream

It would be light and easy

[haughty thistle]

It's nice to dream. And I do think that, if science can make a major breakthrough and full-dive VR becomes possible, that that is going to be the future of VR. But until then, Haptics are probably always going to stay as a niche.
Then again, I could be totally wrong. There were people in the 80s saying Video games are just a trend that is going to fade into obscurity with the years...

[rapid otter]

Yeah and tach go away and come back at times

With ups and down

Have you ever tried one before ?

[haughty thistle]

I actually haven't. But mostly because I look at the price, then the supported games. I just can't justify to purchase one, and I don't know anyone close by who owns one...

[rapid otter]

I think kickstarter will certainly do some cheap haptic (or promise so 😏) a lot of people like me ( i think) have the money to buy one (haptic suit) but don't want to put such money for it.

[haughty thistle]

Hah! 3D, remember that? Back in the 90s was absolutely trendy, then kinda went away, then it came back in Cinemas and not long after TVs. Nowadays it's only mentioned in the fine print that a movie is also available in 3D, but 2D is standard again, even in Cinemas xD

[rapid otter]

Boneworks support bhaptic that's why I gained interest in it

[rapid otter]

Good example

[rapid otter]

Remember the 90's lmao born 15 years after 😂

[haughty thistle]

You see, Boneworks isn't a title I play all too much (still have to play through the final level lol)
If VRchat would support this kind of tech more natively, I'd appreciate it. But as it stands, I'd either have to get comfortable with the horrible UI of Neos or with the tiny user base of CVR (and even that doesn't support many of these niche hardware pieces)

[haughty thistle]

I can officially say that I am indeed a 90s kid. Born '99 lol

[rapid otter]

What's cvr

[haughty thistle]

ChilloutVR

It had like a big hype when it came out, but now I hear almost nobody talk about it, as if the platform died or something xD

[rapid otter]

I never played vr chat I went in and felt lost, tho if one day you feel like hanging out there so i can discover it would be a pleasure

[rapid otter]

Man i love boneworks

[haughty thistle]

Pretty much everyone I hang out with as of recent I have met in VRChat

[rapid otter]

Ok

I'll download it on my pc

Is it just like a 3d discord where you just talk or are they things to do ?

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, it's bascially a social platform. You can hang out with people and whatnot. There are also a number of different game worlds where you can play nice little games. It's like a full meta-verse almost, except that there a numerous worlds, each offering their own thing

It's a really nice game, especially if you know like a group that you can keep hanging out with

[rapid otter]

I don't know a lot of people in vr

Like 5 in onward and that's it

[haughty thistle]

lol

[rapid otter]

😐

[haughty thistle]

[rapid otter]

Yeah I am an solo player

And i don't make a lot of friends you know you paly with someone and you never play after you know the story 😐

[haughty thistle]

I used to be too. And I still play almost exclusively solo. I do chat with the other guys mostly through discord or we just hang out in VRC. Depends on the mood of everybody

[rapid otter]

Tho I'm quite sociable

I like discord a lot

Having good time here and on other servers

Do you play onward ?

[haughty thistle]

Nope

[rapid otter]

🥲

[haughty thistle]

None of those shooter games. I'm really bad at aiming. Both on flat and VR lol

[rapid otter]

I suck on flat tho in vr I'm good

Feels natural

[haughty thistle]

Eh. My slightly unsteady hands and a bad eye for aiming, just make me a bad gun handler

[rapid otter]

It's a lot about technic on how to place hands to be steady

Get yourself angled with your left hand prominent

Pump your chest with air

[haughty thistle]

You explaining me won't help anything

Trust me, I can only learn by doing. I know from experience

[rapid otter]

Hu

Ok then

I have a lot of hours in onwards it becomes very fun once you get the hang of it...

But I understand you'd ont like it

I just got lone echo you should get it too two hours in and that's amazing

Lone echo sorry

[haughty thistle]

If only the Echo games aren't Facebook exclusives. I do have a CV1 and Quest just for those titles, but to be totally honest, I'm not really willing to throw any more money at Facebook then I already have...

[rapid otter]

🤡

I do

I think lone echo is worth this compromise

You really bought a cv1 and quest for exclusive ?

Or did you had em before

[haughty thistle]

I bought the Quest long before the Facebook login requirement, mostly for on-the-go VR, but also as a backup in case my Index breaks, now I only use it for the out and about. The CV1(s) I purchased at a later date for the Exclusives I do own, but also because I just plainly wanted one lol

The CV1 has proven to be one of the most comfortable headset in my collection actually. But it's ancient lenses and low res screens do limit it's use-cases tho

[rapid otter]

When i see what you guys own and the time you putted in vr if feel weird being called a hardcore vr user too

[rapid otter]

Getting outdated

I would like another headset now but i can't spend thousands

[lavish jewel]

It's the only thing I can afford

[hushed pond]

google cardboard is not vr

[toxic wasp]

It can be.

Trinus CBVR + Kinect 360 + Any controler, ig joycons as example.

My setup

[hushed pond]

but the visual is barely 3dish

nothing compared to any actual vr headset

[toxic wasp]

Still technically vr.

[harsh niche]

but still technically garbage

[lofty minnow]

why does for example index's lenses look normal but quest 2's lenses have a bump in the middle

[haughty thistle]

The Index uses one-sided fresnel lens, while Oculus has gone for a hybrid approach. Supposedly it helps with eye relief (for which the Index can distance the lenses further away)

[lavish jewel]

it is

[rapid otter]

To get a 5k super and have it working it would cost me 2k minimum, i really want one but I'm not Jeff Bezos

[sullen linden]

The pimax headsets have a reputation for being pretty shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4J1yFo1ayE

[rapid otter]

Yeah I know but anyways i couldn't buy it so ...

[sullen linden]

Just get a quest 2

you cant get anything better than that tbh

the index has bad quality control

[rapid otter]

Not sure about it

[rapid otter]

I already have one

[sullen linden]

Well what else are you gonna buy

---

Index - Bad Quality Control
Vive - Shitty FOV and resolution
Vive Pro - Too many con's to get into

Rift S - Bad Resolution and FOV

I would advise sticking to your Quest 2.

[rapid otter]

Humm

[sullen linden]

Whats your main usage scenario for vr?

[rapid otter]

If others are so bad why vr enthusiast use something else

[rapid otter]

Gaming

[sullen linden]

What games

VRChat?

[rapid otter]

Boneworks or hlvr ect

[sullen linden]

Most people stick to the Quest 2 because its just that good.

Thrillseeker mainly uses the index because he got lucky with quality control

but has made a video about the bad experience with the index controllers fragility

[sullen linden]

Then stick to the quest 2, it has the best resolution and quality for the money.

You cant get anything better than it right now

[rapid otter]

Still better fov and res would be nice

[sullen linden]

Better resolution?

Seriously-

1440 x 1600 vs 1440 x 1584

Thats the difference between the Quest 2 and the Index.

The only thing the index does better is the FOV

89 vs 130

[rapid otter]

Valve pro 2

2,448 x 2,448

[sullen linden]

Valve?

[rapid otter]

What headset do you own ?

Vive*

[sullen linden]

A Oculus CV1

and a rift s

and yes, I dont care about quality.

[rapid otter]

A better fov makes all the difference

[sullen linden]

and the fact that a quest 2's resolution isnt good enough for you
is funny

[rapid otter]

Not the resolution i don't care about resolution

Fov is mostly what i want

[sullen linden]

You said you play boneworks and half life alyx right

why do you need fov

you already have 89°

[rapid otter]

Changes everything feels way better

[sullen linden]

if you get a vive pro 2, you'll probably have to get the index controllers because the standard ones suck.

so that adds another 2- 300 bucks to the cost

[rapid otter]

I know that

I'm not planning on changing my headset

[sullen linden]

also, the vive pro 2 sucks.

[rapid otter]

I don't have this kind of money

[sullen linden]

understandable

well you already have a great headset.

[rapid otter]

Yeah I know

And the fact these aren't wireless

Is kinda bad

[sullen linden]

Bruh

who the heck cares

[rapid otter]

Huu

Bet you never tried wireless

So good

I play wherever i want in my house

I can lay down jump

Do whatever I want, wireless once you tried, if you go back to wires feels like a downgrade

[sullen linden]

Why would I wanna do that

I have a nice setup with lots of space
in my comfortable room

what more would I want

to sucker punch my dad?

[rapid otter]

I play in the living room

[sullen linden]

that sounds horrible tbh

[rapid otter]

Or in my parents desk room (where you work )

[sullen linden]

Sheeeesh

sorry about that

my room is just nice

[rapid otter]

It's not

I have space then

[sullen linden]

I have more space in my room than in the living room

and once i get the rest of the clutter out, ill have so much space

its gonna be insane

[haughty thistle]

Eh. The Index continues to be the best all-in-one-box option for PCVR. The Vive Pro 2 has quite some glare that one needs to get used to, Pimax are just garbage build quality, comfort and screens and the Reverb G2 just doesn't have great controllers.
Personally I'm going to stick with my Pro 1 as my daily driver, just because of the OLED screens alone...

The problem with the Quest and Quest 2 are that they aren't native PC headsets, so the image you see is compressed (quite noticably at times with ugly dark smudges on contrary color edges) and because of that they have quite a bit of processing overhead. If I pay for a 3090 and 5900X, I want that to go towards game FPS and not some background processing tbh

[rapid otter]

I don't really notice the compression

But it's here for sure

[harsh niche]

I only see it when it’s dark

like a nighttime scene

[chilly imp]

Just upgraded to the 3090 and do some quick benchmark in OpenVR benchmark

The result is quite terrible, my previous 3080 got around 72fps.

Any idea what might cause this?

[sullen linden]

Update/reinstall drivers?

[chilly imp]

Yes, DDU in safe mode 2 times

[sullen linden]

Hmm

[chilly imp]

All driver/bios/windows are up to date

Other benchmark like Unigine seems pretty average for 3090

[sullen linden]

Have you actually tried it in game to notice it's significantly worse?

[chilly imp]

I might need to test out some more game tomorrow but it seems to be better

Just curious to know why OpenVR has such low score

[sullen linden]

It could be just the benchmark being weird

[chilly imp]

hmm, that seems to be the case then

[sullen linden]

If it actually was that much worse you'd easily notice it in games

[chilly imp]

I have only tried VRCHAT tonight, the first time I boot up the game, VRC seems to limit itself to 10Gb of vram for some reason

Reinstall the driver fixed the problem

[sullen linden]

And I have to login on vrc everytime I launch it lol

[chilly imp]

fps wise, on par with 3080. but it VRC so

[sullen linden]

It's gonna lag regardless

[harsh niche]

oculus wants me to get a new face cover because of the recall

they send me a silicone cover apparently that pops onto the existing one

[pale orbit]

https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1419962287528493056

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley)

Big Valve Index 2 patent drop. Focused on Eye-tracking but also goes along with all of my predictions, and so much more.

https://t.co/7UUhVtzI0w

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 10:06 AM

https://uploadvr.com/facebook-pauses-quest-2-sales-skin/

The CPSC wrote “Consumers who experience a skin irritation or reaction should immediately stop using the recalled foam facial interface, and all consumers should contact Facebook Technologies to receive a free silicone cover. Facebook Technologies is contacting all Quest 2 users directly.” The CPSC said about “4 million” facial interfaces are affected by the recall, plus 172,600 in Canada, sold between October 2020 and July 2021 — the interfaces come with each headset sold as well as sold separately for $20 or for $40 as part of a Fit Pack.

[lofty minnow]

I finally found the sweet spot on my quest 2 by accident and it's so much more clear

[rapid otter]

You mena ipd adjustment ?

[civic spindle]

can you use liv with the quest 2 on oculus link

[haughty thistle]

I don't see why not. However, keep in mind that Liv is designed to work with a fixed playspace, whereas with Quest Link, the playspace is moved to whatever you set as your playspace center in the Quest home environment. That means you probably going to have to set up Liv completely anew every time you start up/restart Quest link

[civic spindle]

ok

i was trying it earlier and it didnt want to work with beat saber

that was on the oculus app tho not a steam vr copy

[haughty thistle]

Oh yeah. Liv might only work with games bought off steam. Would make sense at least, 'cause Liv hooks into SteamVR, and if the game doesn't run in SteamVR, Liv can't find the runtime

[civic spindle]

ye ok

thanks

[lofty minnow]

no like i adjusted it by accident and then it got much more clearer

i thought it was just something with my nose but it was my headstrap that wasnt adjusted right

i dont really know how to explain

[zinc silo]

🚨 Facebook is recalling oculus quest 2 because of the foam on it causing skin rashes and hives, bumps, etc 🚨

[harsh niche]

Yes

[lofty minnow]

what does recalling mean

[nimble orchid]

it means that a company requests that everyone with a certain product return or stop using it because of a defect the product has

usually the company refunds the product or provides a replacement in this case it is providing a replacement

[languid cape]

all i see is a free silicone cover that I don't have to buy now.

[crisp nymph]

i didn't even request for one lol, but a free facial interface is a free facial interface i guess

[languid cape]

Yeah is going to be very easy to clean and not act like a sweat sponge

[gloomy crater]

Random question: how well would a laptop with 8750H + 1070 fare with a quest 1 over virtual desktop? My mom has a quest 1 but wants to play steamvr games, doesn't want a whole ass gaming computer, and needs a new laptop anyway

[lofty minnow]

what if i didnt buy mine directly from oculus

[haughty thistle]

Should be fine? I don't know about the CPU, but the GPU should be plenty for VR

[buoyant mountain]

Every time I try to open up Oculus rift software so I can set it up I receive this message

[haughty thistle]

How much free space do you have on your C drive?

[buoyant mountain]

Almost 130 gigs

Actually no 190 I forgot I deleted rocket League

[buoyant mountain]

I tried clicking the learn how button still nothing happened after I did what they told me

[haughty thistle]

That's curious...

[harsh niche]

doesn't matter

you don't ship anything back you just put your address and stuff in a thing and they ship it to you

[buoyant mountain]

I don't know why it doesn't want to install I have tried putting it on different drives and all of that it still doesn't work

If anyone finds the solution feel free to DM me I'm going to bed now

[lofty minnow]

cool

i didnt get an email tho

oh nvm it cant ship to my country

[crisp nymph]

you could still request for one

oh nvm rip

[civic spindle]

if thats the i7 it should be fine, i can run an oculus quest 2 with a ryzen 5 2400g and an rtx 2070 and it works fine

[rapid otter]

R2400 is kinda bottlenecking

But it depends of the application

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Quest Link is quite heavy on the CPU, so while you might be fine with your 2400g for titles that don't rely as much on the CPU, games that do rely more on it might struggle on Quest Link (VRC and Boneworks for example)

[rapid otter]

I think I'm gonna get virtual desktop because i have a R7 3700x

@haughty thistle

And switch the encoding from nvec

To x264

In order to gain some power by freeing my gpu 20% or so of encoding

It won't work for facebook exclusive like lone echo but it will with hlvr or boneworks

[haughty thistle]

Nvenc barely takes any GPU power because it's special hardware on the GPU afaik. It only really takes up a bit of VRAM and a bit of the Bus speed. So under normal circumstances, it shouldn't impact frame rate. X264 on the other hand runs completely in software and does impact CPU performance quite a bit.
From my experience it does seem like the Quest does use CPU encoding at least to some capacity anyways...

[rapid otter]

I checked msi afterburner and 3d rendering is at 70-80% and vid compression works at 20-25% of computing power on the gpu...

I also looked on task manager

Said same the same thing

You have a very powerful gpu surely it doesn't impact you that much but 20% of my RTX 2060 is a lot

[haughty thistle]

Even on my 1060 back in the days, Nvenc barely made a dent in encoding. Could it be that Quest Link is not using the Nvenc encoder, but rather pure CUDA? There is a difference as you can also do hardware assisted video encoding using CUDA. For special applications it's often the best choice (for example for video rendering)

A simple test whether Quest Link uses NVENC is this: fire up Quest Link and then OBS. In OBS you select Nvenc as your video encoder and start the video capture in OBS. If OBS can't start the capture while Quest Link is active, Quest Link does use Nvenc, if OBS can start the capture, then Quest Link does not use Nvenc as Nvenc can only encode one video stream at a time

[rapid otter]

Ok thx I'll try it tomorrow

[buoyant mountain]

I'm still having drive issues with Oculus software

[gleaming cloud]

Do you think the 3070, 3070ti or 3080 would work well with the Rift S and with a better higher resolution and higher refresh rate display in the future

And which one would be the sweetspot

[rapid otter]

If you are able to afford it the 3080 would be the best

Tho a 3070/70ti will do the job nicely

You have my opinion but I'll let Chickenbread answer as he knows better in my opinion ...

[haughty thistle]

Absolutely. I would say the 3080 is probably the most future proof. VR can be quite VRAM intensive, and Nvidias decision to ship so small amounts of it on their 30-Series is beyond me. The Reverb G2 for example is so VRAM hungry that not even the 3080 can satisfy it (VRAM usage, well in excess of 12GB), whereas with the Vive Pro 2 would possibly still work on the 3070 and 3070Ti, but you'd already be scraping the ceiling of VRAM usage (about 8GB in my experience). Reason these two have so widly different numbers is A. the Vive Pro 2 doesn't actually run at it's full resolution due to it's software being crappy and B. the Reverb G2 already runs with a fare bit of Super Sampling, so it actually renders higher then native at 100%. Besides that WMR also adds some overhead in the case of the Reverb G2

So for the Rift S any of those 3 cards are going to be fine, but as we look into the future of VR, I don't think 8GB is going to cut it for much longer, and even 10 doesn't have that much longer either.
I personally went with a 3090, because of the VRAM, and I still don't regret that decision, even with the 3080Ti existing...

[toxic wasp]

Hoi, its me again, i just wanted to ask if anything changed in the super cheap VR Market. Like, just the most basic Headset with 2 controllers, and able to play PC Games, what would the cheapest option be and cost?

Resolution and such dont matter as i well, play on a Ryzen 5 2600(x but it runs worse then one without the x cus reasons) and a 1050ti (oced to the limits) im fine with 45fps and lowest settings and 720p.

[chilly imp]

I would say the original Quest. There are some cheaper WMR headset but finding accessory is rather hard and tracking is not as good as the Quest

You can either play standalone, or use VirtualDesktop/Oculus Airlink to play SteamVR game.
Require a decent Wifi6 router though. Alternatively, you can connect the Quest to your PC using USB 3.0 cable

[toxic wasp]

Usb C or 3.0? My pc has 3.0, so that would work. I also have a repeater in my room, so the connection should be almost direct. What would the fun cost?

[chilly imp]

USB C is just a physical connection, you need USB 3.0 speed.
If you use a wifi repeater, those are the worst in term of bandwidth and latency. You can probably play wirelessly but the latency and image quality will suffer

As for cost, Quest 1 is already discontinue so your best bet is to find 2nd Quest and buy a new facial interface from like VRCOVER

[toxic wasp]

Its a Fritz!WLANRepeater 1750E if that matters.

[chilly imp]

I would recommend to connect your Quest to your PC using a cable if you want to play SteamVR game

USB 3.0 active extension cable + USB A -> USB C 3.0 will do the job

[toxic wasp]

Like, pc goes via lan to the Repeater, and the repeater would allow my pc to see the quest in the network, so almost direct. (Fritz Mesh stuff) and well, internet gets via wifi to it.

[toxic wasp]

Hm i see. Well, so you said second hand, but what would be an good price?

[chilly imp]

Quest 2 is $299

So I think around 150-180 for 2nd Quest 1 is an average price, at least on Ebay

[toxic wasp]

That would be what in €?

120-150? Or something like that?

[chilly imp]

120-150 €

[toxic wasp]

Huh, ok, a lot cheaper then it once was

[chilly imp]

but again, I would still recommend to save up for the Quest 2 if you can

[toxic wasp]

How much is that?

Does that even ship to Germany

Heard somewhere that it doesn't

[chilly imp]

The Quest 2 is out of stock on Oculus store

so your best bet is to find in Germany/EU retailer

[toxic wasp]

Huh. Hm, i mean, i cant really spend more then 150-200, so it gets kinda.. rough. Also, quest 1 isnt facebook locked, or?

[chilly imp]

Quest 1 does not require FB account

but I don't know what happen if you setup a new Quest 1

But nonetheless, FB account will be required by 2023

[toxic wasp]

With a quest 1?

[chilly imp]

Yes, Quest 1 user will be required FB account by 2023

[toxic wasp]

That sucks..

If i dont update, will that change anything?

(if i can prevent updates, that is

[chilly imp]

I think you won't be able to use any services, that include update, store, etc

That my guess, I don't use Oculus

[toxic wasp]

I mean.. i would be using it only for steamvr and such

UnityVR maybe.

[chilly imp]

Oh then you don't need FB account

[toxic wasp]

Even when its required?

(like, 2023)

Hm, well thank you, will look for such deals. Tho, Do you think the price of the quest 1 will drop further?

Like, 90€ maybe?

[chilly imp]

I mean, the price will drop eventually, but not anytime soon

[toxic wasp]

So, a year maybe?

Maybe 2?

[chilly imp]

Maybe after the Quest 3? Can't really tell

[toxic wasp]

Hm, ill see.

[haughty thistle]

One thing to keep in mind with the Quest and Quest 2 is that they have to encode the image on the PC to transfer it to the headset, so if you already don't have the most powerful PC, but want to play PCVR mainly, a native headset like an original Vive or one of the WMR ones might be a better choice as you get a better experience out of it. Back when I did some performance testing on my 8700k and 1080Ti, I was getting less then half the framerate on the Quest compared to what I got on my Index. (>120fps on the Index <72fps on the Quest)

Granted, this was with an older version of Quest Link and with the original Quest and not the Quest 2. Prolly should redo the test with something like OpenVR Benchmark...

[chilly imp]

@haughty thistle sorry for the tag

but do you know how to fix OpenVR Benchmark? It seem to behave weirdly after I upgrade to 3090

[haughty thistle]

What do you mean with "behave weirdly"?

[chilly imp]

Very high frametime and low fps

[haughty thistle]

Huh... Framerate jitter...

It could have numerous reasons. One idea I have is that it might be down to thermal throtteling of certain components on the GPU. The memory on the 3090 is known to run hot. I replaced the thermal pads and paste on mine and it helped massively with the temps of the memory. (like from >100°C down to about 80-90°C)

It could also possibly hint towards a memory Bottleneck on the CPU side, but 32GB is large enough. Weird...

I'll try out OpenVR Benchmark on my different headsets later today and post the results here

[chilly imp]

The funny thing is the fps drop immediately when start the benchmark, around 30fps right in the beginning

Let me try again with HWINFO open

Previously 3080 give around 72fps

The only different other than GPU change is the motherboard. It is running PCIE 4.0 x8 instead of PCIE 4.0 x16

but from what I understand, it shouldn't matter

Max temp on memory is 78, GPU temp is 68

[haughty thistle]

Have you checked whether or not ReBAR is enabled?

[chilly imp]

The result is the same with or without ReBAR

[haughty thistle]

Huh...

Maybe whatever the motherboard is doing to split that x16 link to 2 x8 links could be the cause. Do you still have the 3080 for testing?

[rapid otter]

Pcie 4.0 8x is around 16g wich is way enough

[chilly imp]

Unfortunately I don't

I might try to remove all PCIE card and try again

It is ASUS X570-F, I have another USB card + Vive wireless so the motherboard is running x8/x8/x8 on all 3 PCIE x16 slot

[haughty thistle]

Wouldn't it be x8/x8/x4? AMD might have 24PCIe lanes coming for the CPU, but only 16 are for direct connection to the top 2 slots PCIe slots (x16 if only one is populated, x8 if the second one is populated), 4 lanes are then for the top-most M.2 slot and the remaining 4 connect to the chipset

Usually the last physical x16 slot is wired up as an x4 slot only

[rapid otter]

Why don't you run a gpu benchmark ?

To see how it compares to other RTX 3090

Maybe your card is flawed

You can run 3D mark's fire strike it's hard on vram, check vram temps and it will give you a score to compare to other 3090

Also in Afterburner check if you have power/voltage/temp limits

I don't know a lot about software on gpu but i know quite some things hardware wise

I have more things if you need but try that first @chilly imp

[chilly imp]

Other benchmark run just fine, about average for 3090 since I don't do any OC

[chilly imp]

yes, my bad. The last PCIE is x4 only

[rapid otter]

Interesting

And while gaming it's also bad ?

[chilly imp]

the ISP has some problem for the last couple of days so I haven't been able to download pretty much anything

[rapid otter]

Ok

But when you paly is it fine ?

[chilly imp]

currently I only have Beat Saber and VRC installed, those run perfectly fine

VRC being VRC so there is little to no improvement

[rapid otter]

The difference between 3080 and 3090 is rather small anyway

Do you have hlvr or any demanding vr games ?

[chilly imp]

I think the most demanding is HL Alyx

[rapid otter]

You should try it and tell us

You know a lot of things can mess up benchmarks, but run perfectly in game

[chilly imp]

I will ask a friend to download that and see

[rapid otter]

Ok

[vapid depot]

alyx can run on a 1060 lol

ms flight sim can’t

[rapid otter]

Depends of the res and refresh rate but anyways that quite underpowered

[haughty thistle]

Lima, you're also comparing 2 completely different classes of games...

[vapid depot]

i was just saying HLA isn’t the most demanding

[rapid otter]

Flight sim is cpu bound is it ?

[haughty thistle]

Both kinda

Flight Sim is very heavy on both

[lofty minnow]

isnt flight sim basically minecraft but 512 view distance

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