virtual-reality

[bleak night]

no idea why, but its confusing

im bringing my vive trackers n such so i might test

[flat pawn]

When do you think tundra trackers will be released?

I'm debating on whether it's worth it to wait for them or just get 3.0s

[bleak night]

by next year

supposedly

by that i mean like.. soon

[burnt vault]

Odd, I just played a bit of Beat Saber, and when I got out of VR, my monitor was extremely dark, like lowest brightness or something. Unplugged VR, swapped in my second monitor, everything went back to normal - any ideas?

[haughty thistle]

July/August for the Early Birds, September for the regular Kickstarter Backers and they'll probably be available on the Free market by November/December or possibly next year if they have issues getting the parts

[harsh niche]

what's the right way to hear audio on the quest 2? do I change my audio output to the oculus output before or after i'm in the home area

oh yeah

I got my quest 2 replaced (it took a month) and that static noise thing over link still happens

probably software related but i'm reeaaalllllyyy hoping it's not my hardware

[haughty thistle]

Sounds like a software issue tbh

At least when it only happens in link mode

Audio is rendered on PC as a digital signal and directly compressed, sent over to the Quest, decoded there and only on the Quest hardware is the signal turned into an analog signal, which can be audibly affected by outside interference without cutting out

[harsh niche]

hope so

I cleared off my secondary hard drive and i'm going to put another install of windows

then i'm going to test link on there, and if it works perfectly then i have to reinstall my windows

if it still doesn't work then it's hardware 😢

[harsh niche]

I quit

I installed only the oculus software on a completely fresh hard drive and it still does it

SOMEHOW my motherboard is deciding it doesn’t like oculus link and only oculus link

fml

this makes 0 sense at all

my luck

I’ve done literally every single thing imaginable

what I get for getting gigabyte

their software crashes my pc and their customer support is so garbage it might as well not exist

and now this?

[sullen linden]

decided to buy one of THESE cables

[gusty frost]

I have that cable

[lofty minnow]

are there any oculus events comping up

[sullen linden]

Anyone know if the Quest 2 can also be connected to PC to play Steam VR games

[acoustic gate]

yeah it can with oculus link or airlink

[lethal obsidian]

Or Virtual Desktop

Which I'd honestly recommend over air link for anyone that's cool with spending the $15 for it

Air Link is great when it works but it often doesn't and is still very much in an early beta state

[acoustic gate]

so basically: airlink is great until it isnt

[lethal obsidian]

Yes

And overall I don't recommend using it

unless you're using it to test it

[acoustic gate]

for me it works fine when playing but what the problem with me is is getting games opened

[lethal obsidian]

My experience with air link was basically: "oh fuck my tracking crashed again, maybe some day I'll be able to get out of the menus and into a game"

I was able to play beat saber a couple times @ home and @ work using Air Link

[acoustic gate]

games always seem to crash on startup when i use air link, but when in game its fine

[lethal obsidian]

But it wasn't nearly as reliable as VDesktop

That being said

I'm sure Air Link will vastly improve with time

It's just new, will have some growing pains

[acoustic gate]

i just for now still use cable since the cable doesn't bother me that much and games dont crash 24/7

[harsh niche]

airlink is crap compared to vd for me

it doesn't work at all i was getting like 1 frame every 5 seconds

vd just stutters every once in a while but it's probably because i'm on mesh wifi

[bleak night]

to be fair.. air link is quite crap

so is link

alvr over usb ethernet is great

[noble sparrow]

how well can a gtx 980 run vr through virtual desktop?

[gilded charm]

I run gtx 970 works very well.

[noble sparrow]

cool

[gilded charm]

The graphics card will be absolutely fine whats more important is to have good wifi signal that is wifi 5 or wifi 6. And your pc good wifi signal or preferebaly connected to ethernet cabble.

[gilded charm]

But uculus quest have "Air link" buildt in for free. A little less feutures and so but it works good too.

[noble sparrow]

yeah i have a quest 1 and i dont remember if airlink has come to that yet

[gilded charm]

Ohh okay yeah mayby thats true!

Did not know that im using the quest 2.

Then wifi 5 will be good for your because it does not have wifi 6 either way.

Quest 2 is a great value. You can use it perfectly as pc headset through wifi or cable and onboard hardware.

[noble sparrow]

still pissed how facebook has ruined the privacy aspect of the quests

[gilded charm]

High performance does not always make experience better. It balances the different processes worse and may lead to performance issues instead.

[gilded charm]

For me facebook is a great tool that i use allot anyways so i havent thaught about that too much.

[lofty minnow]

i mean what can they do? look through the 4 cameras? i dont think thats possible, arent they only used for tracking ?

[noble sparrow]

i dont mean that

the ads that they will now add to games

the way they can just shut down your account and make you loose all of your purchases

selling your data

tbh it doesnt make any difference

[lofty minnow]

yea but like that data, what does it consit of cus if its just the games you're playing and possibly body movement it can't be that bad right

[noble sparrow]

i would just rather not have to risk losing all of my purchases

well the data can be websites you visit in the browser, games you play, games you buy, friends, etc

[gilded charm]

You can get banned on playstation and xbox too. Theres even hardware bans existing there.

if you follow facebook rules and terms of service you wont get banned.

If your extra woried stream all your game through link and use steam.

[lofty minnow]

you don't even have to use your real name on facebook

[bleak night]

some data is worth more than no data

and data is worth money

[gilded charm]

Mayby other alternatives is more worth it for you. If you want to spend the extra money valve index is not the same type of hardware and software but may better fit your needs.

Theres also htc and pimax to choose from. And HP, windows mixed reality headsets and more.

[bleak night]

and alot can be gathered by vr

[lofty minnow]

i mean microsoft has more data about me than facebook'll ever have

[bleak night]

how active you are

your attention span

what you prefer to interact with

times you play

[noble sparrow]

yeah thats the thing. the quests are such a good value but if i want to escape this facebook thing, i will need to spend atleast like 600

[bleak night]

how long you play and what increments your active in it

[bleak night]

id wait and not waste on an index

quality control has not been the best

and the headset... isnt worth the $1000 it used to be

[noble sparrow]

yeah

i dont have the money for a new headset anyways much less a computer

[bleak night]

i returned mine, wat too many issues.

[noble sparrow]

once i can get a computer and a headset, there will probably be better bang for the buck options

the hp reverb looks good

g2 that is

[gilded charm]

For me quest have been great. And i personally value my money more than big company data farming. But i respect how you feel about it.

[gilded charm]

Yeah seems like a good headset but if im not mistaken controllers is not included.

[bleak night]

i use a pimax 5k super and a facebook stripped quest 2

[noble sparrow]

Yeah i see how some people dont really care about this whole facebook thing. Im a big tech fan and its just kind of how i am with my data after some incidents that ive experienced.

[bleak night]

quest 2 is alright.. love the sound, lenses, and the overa hardware

software is... horrid. bugs galore. nothing works half the time

cant use the controllers due to a wrist injury

[noble sparrow]

not to mention a lot of incompatabilities with quest 1 games like stuff on sidequest

[gilded charm]

What i love the most about quest 2 is when the sun sets on the evening i can use it outside 🙂

[bleak night]

my 5k super was uh.. the fact it made everything much more immersive

i adore it

[gilded charm]

Quest 1 had stronger lights in the controllers and could be used with more sun what i have read but as long as i play in the evening it has been a great experience.

[lofty minnow]

can i ask something that might sound offensive

[bleak night]

hmm

[lofty minnow]

why is your mouse on the floor

[noble sparrow]

lol

floor gang

[bleak night]

at my mothers place

no real setup atm

[lofty minnow]

ohh

makes sense

[bleak night]

yeah

[noble sparrow]

that spagetti oof

[lofty minnow]

i thought that was one of those music pads but i looked closer and its a keyboard lol

[bleak night]

eh its just for the ksyboard

[lofty minnow]

does that keyboard have neon keycaps?

[bleak night]

it has pudding meycaps

hk gaming miami vice pudding

[lofty minnow]

they look cool

[bleak night]

my favorite keyboard

[noble sparrow]

looks good

[lofty minnow]

i've got a razer keyboard been using it for 4 years, cant wait for it to break so i can get another keyboard

[noble sparrow]

lmao

[bleak night]

the steelseries apex 7 is great, use an apex pro

its nice but not $200 nice

mouse however.... i love it. rival 710

[lofty minnow]

does the mouse have adjustable weights?

[bleak night]

it doesnt, but it has haptics

[lofty minnow]

wthh

[bleak night]

... and an oled display for some reason

[lofty minnow]

i've never heard of mice with haptics

[bleak night]

its not new

logitech ifeel did it in 2002

[lofty minnow]

is that screen for displaying battery power or what

[bleak night]

replacable laser module, replacable cable

its just one for the menu or acustom gif

or just game info

[lofty minnow]

hehe custom gif

[bleak night]

like ammo or health

profiles save to the hardware

so macros/rgb dont require software

[lofty minnow]

that's nice

[bleak night]

and tbh.. when the mouse is on sale, its $70.. has alot more features than most of razers lineup for that price

buuut a bit offtopic here

[inner oak]

wish my steam vr would work

[vernal quartz]

Hey guys, does anyone have a recommended app that would allow me to overlay things in VR. I'd like to be able to watch twitch streams while I workout but not sure what software is best 🙂

[noble sparrow]

i remember i saw something somewhere on reddit. leme see if i can find it

i dont know if i saved it

[noble sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjnyjf7RuMU&t=62s This might be it or something along these lines

[gloomy crater]

Okay, so I've been thinking about getting a laptop for portable VR play without the need of a quest. Well, an Asus G751j laptop just kind of fell into my lap from a friend. It's a laptop from 2014 with a core i7 4720hq, 16gb ddr3 1600, and a GTX 980M 4gb. Would this be any use for VR?

[noble sparrow]

yeah that can run some vr games

download the steam vr performance test thing to see where it is rated

a 980 is basically the minimum "VR Ready" graphics card but the 980m is only a mobile version of that so itll probably be fine

[sullen linden]

I'd recommend either XSoverlay or OVRtoolkit

Both are good but I personally prefer XS

[haughty thistle]

As peety already said, both XSoverlay and OVRtoolkit are your two options right now, although I prefer OVRtoolkit personally. It's mostly just preference.
SteamVR also now natively allows you to pin a window to one of your controllers, if that's more of your style

[harsh niche]

what would you guys say is the best bitrate to set oculus link to on the quest 2?

the point where if you put any more then it's for nothing basically

woah this has changed

[haughty thistle]

According to Facebook, the current max bitrate is 500Mbit/s for the Quest 2 and 150Mbit/s for the Quest 1. But: according to the Oculus Subreddit, Quest Link get's super unstable beyond 250Mbit/s. So take that as you will

[harsh niche]

ah ok

[gloomy crater]

So I ran the old SteamVR performance test app on the laptop and it actually gave a better score than my old desktop got. I'll probably run the unigine VR benchmark later on to get a better feel for if it will be able to run any given headset in particular, but for now I at least know it's viable

[lofty minnow]

hello

so

is oculus first party wireless option good

or is vd better

[acoustic gate]

vd is absolutely better from what I've heard

[harsh niche]

vd is better in pretty much every way except that it costs money

[bleak night]

alvr is also a thing

and can work better than vd if configured properly.

and its free

love the vive pro headstrap vrcover

fits the pissmax nearly perfect

much comfier honestly

[lofty minnow]

my quest 2 arrives today

[sullen linden]

I have a quest two and i got a new link cable. Its a kiwi one for the quest. It currently wont connect to the pc. The usb test says its good but it wont link. Any fixes? I have a vr ready pc. It worked with the rift s. The cables are plugged in good so i am not sure of the problem. I was planning to get an ancher but it didn't ship to where I live.

[acoustic gate]

Have you enabled access to data for the USB cable inside your quest 2 when plugging it in @sullen linden

[lofty minnow]

hello can someone help me with setting up virtual desktop?

[lofty minnow]

nevermind

got it working very good now

i was having issues because i forgot to set the fps to 90 from 72

lol

[flat pawn]

@bleak night did you try out kdmas yet?

I actually ended up ordering them anyways, they just arrived

Will give them a spin tonight

[bleak night]

mines still not in yet

i finally got a tracking number

it will be in in like 1-2 days

[flat pawn]

Damn

FedEx?

[bleak night]

yeah.

i did get the 6m optical cable

[flat pawn]

I ordered on June 26th

Just the kdmas

[bleak night]

the cable is great

makes it lighter even

[flat pawn]

I might get the cable at some point

[bleak night]

and the vrcover is great

[flat pawn]

Free up a USB port and get a little more freedom? Hell yeah

[bleak night]

yep

[flat pawn]

I'm good on comfort already tbh

[bleak night]

lighter, longer, and less ports

works great

[flat pawn]

I decided that I actually prefer no glasses+thin foam over thick foam+glasses

It's just about as clear

And not feeling glasses on my head is liberating

I say this with a whole brick attached to my face but still

[bleak night]

i find thick foam + no glasses helps with lens warp

[flat pawn]

I might give it a shot

As long as the clarity isn't affected

[bleak night]

its improved here with thick foam

well

[flat pawn]

I'm still not sure why no glasses is clear in VR with this thing

[bleak night]

manually spaced

[flat pawn]

While it's blurry with oculus

[bleak night]

im not sure either

its clear either way here

[flat pawn]

I'll try it tonight for sure

Along with kdmas

I'm no audiophile but I feel like it's worth adding whatever feature I can to this headset

[bleak night]

yeah, im using uh..

these.....

[flat pawn]

Ah well

I would at least prefer the headstrap audio

[bleak night]

2 second delay

[flat pawn]

I avoid having shit in my ear if I can help it

[bleak night]

i want the kdmas sooooo bad

[flat pawn]

Also ew, that delay would really kill it for me

[bleak night]

im jusy waiting

yeah.

its horrible for vr

i dont have a choice

[flat pawn]

You wouldn't rather use headstrap audio?

[bleak night]

its this or very quiet and crap audio

kdmas will fix this..... when it arrives...

[flat pawn]

100% all the time and still fairly quiet sometimes but

At least no delay

And more comfortable

[bleak night]

audio on the smas is horrid here

[flat pawn]

Again, I'm no audiophile

Maybe my standards are just low

Lol

[bleak night]

worse than dollar store headphones/speakers

but yeah

quest 2 sounds amazing for me though

index... eeeeeh.

its in ilinois here, so il get to try it very soon

along with the hand tracker/face gaskets

il have to see once it arrives though

i did hear the kdmas is good from a childhood friend

talked her into getting a 5k super kit

she got her kdmas before me... even though she bought it after

[haughty thistle]

I think the reason is that Pimax A. has a smaller focal distance then other headsets and B. might be adjusted for a slight nearsightedness out of the box. I've seen people with 20/20 vision say the Pimax looks blurry in the center, but get's sharper further out...

[bleak night]

its clear around the center and gets blurry further out hete

[haughty thistle]

And regarding to A:
Pretty much all VR companies are trying to simulate a focal distance of 2m as that's the most comfortable focal distance for the eyes. Pull it closer and it can cause eye strain in prolonged sessions. Further out and you easily exclude people with only very tiny amount of nearsightedness. Picking the right focal distance is a tough thing

1.5m-2m is what Oculus has found to be the best range for long sessions during their trials all the way back during the Dev-Kit phase afaik. At least that's the standard and Pimax is afaik the only company to deviate...

[bleak night]

funnily enough, the pimax seems like the best out of the headsets ive tried for that

[haughty thistle]

And in my experience the 8k X was the most eye straining I've ever tried, for several reasons...

[bleak night]

i hear the 8k x had issues

[haughty thistle]

Had only issues with the 5k Super as well... I'm just not made for Pimax

[bleak night]

yeah, not for everyone

[haughty thistle]

Going back to the VP1 as my daily driver btw. The lenses on the VP2 aren't the greatest. Not as much glare as the Pimax at the point of being able to fit my glasses tho, so it's a win-win for me, but the software forcing the panels to run at a less then native res is a dealbreaker for me, at least when it comes to my daily driver

I also get about as much usable FOV out of the VP2 as the Pimax btw, and it's more comfortable

[bleak night]

im still really confused why the pimax has such little glare and godrays compared to the index

but not for others

[haughty thistle]

The VP2 is a firework of glare, but I noticed the glare on the Pimax headsets only really start to show themselves as you add more space for glasses. At the 15mm foam + one extra layer of velcro made all of the extra FOV just flare up with glare, making it unusable in darker areas

I honestly don't know how HTC managed to make their already glare-y first-gen lenses even more glare-y in their "second generation" the VF3 and VP2...

[bleak night]

hmm..

[serene oriole]

would a 5500 intel hd do vr?

[noble sparrow]

not in a million years

[serene oriole]

well

it did

thanks

[terse tide]

is anyone having their oculus rift crash when trying to stream on discord or is it just me

?

[flat pawn]

@bleak night I had to lower my volume to like 50% right away lmao

It's so much louder than smas

Really nice to actually be able to hear shit

[bleak night]

im hoping to get mine by tomorrow

[haughty thistle]

A picture of a Dongle McDongleFace has surfaced

[lofty minnow]

yo the quest 2 is awesomeeeeee

[flat pawn]

It's really got that printed on the pcb lmao

[haughty thistle]

Tundra had a Poll on Twitter what the name of the dongles should end up being, one option was "Dongle McDongleFace", and ofc that option won

[flat pawn]

What were the other options lol

[noble sparrow]

dangleage

[haughty thistle]

https://twitter.com/Tundra_Labs/status/1370015039969722369
Super Dongle and Frunkendongle

Tundra Labs (@Tundra_Labs)

Really important question for today: Our dongle needs a name, what should it be?

Twitter · Mar 11, 2021, 2:13 PM

I also really like this comment

[bleak night]

got the face gasket and hand tracker

much comfier, also a very soft leather too

[lofty minnow]

i wanna stream a game to my friendss on discord but instead of the game appearing only the steam vr dashboard appears, do you guys have the same problem?

[oblique parcel]

Yup same issue here

Anyways my Quest 2 doesn't like being used as a desktop vr set up :D

Great knowing it doesn't like that to much AFTER spending $300 on it

[haughty thistle]

It's not like I keep saying the Quest isn't designed to be a PCVR headset 🙄

[lofty minnow]

mine works perfectly with my pc

the only problem i have is in boneworks where i have like 70 fps cus of my 2060

[glossy ibex]

I mean, Quest might not be designed AS a PCVR headset, but if you got good enough setup then you should have no issues with it 😛

[lofty minnow]

i've had a valve index b4 the quest 2 and i like the quest more, especially because no cables and way lighter

[gentle coral]

This is common for many games not just steamvr games, the easiest way is to add the game directly in the discord option menu for steaming, then streaming that directly as your active game. This works for many apps on windows as long as the exe can be seen running.

Also if you are using mirrioing of the VR game you can capture that whole screen.

And sometime stemvr settings put steamvr as "always on top", which can cause issues.

And if audio isn't working correctly (mic, and sound) you can use OBS or VLC to livemix the sound and use that as discord audio.

Though I do know discord has overhauled their streaming stuff a bit so it might have changed recently.

[oblique parcel]

I get like 40 on boneworks with a 1050 Ti

[rapid otter]

What's your cpu ?

I have a rtx 2060 everything ultra except half texture resolution (not noticeable even close up)

I do 80 fps most of the time

[lofty minnow]

5600

[acoustic gate]

Same I get like 80fps on boneworks on high on my 1070

[ripe gust]

What would you all recommend a minimal gpu for just vrchat ((it will be set to medium or low settings)) and probably beat saber, im just curious thats all.

[candid bluff]

I was getting like 90 on my quest 2 before on boneworks only 1 level would lag really bad which was tower and i was on an RX 580 4gb

[lofty minnow]

i mostly play arena

brawl

[candid bluff]

yeah arena would work fine for me too

[lofty minnow]

high settings?

[candid bluff]

no im running medium

[lofty minnow]

im running all low with aa off

and still getting 70 and under

idk whats wrong

[candid bluff]

yeah idk whats wrong either

[lofty minnow]

however i dont have this issue with blade and sorcery which i think is more demanding than boneworks

[rapid otter]

Ryzen 5 5600 should be fine with an rtx 2060

I have an r7 3700x with an RTX 2060 oc

The area with the tower lags for me too but the rest is very fluid at everything max except half resolution

[rapid otter]

1060 i think

Bare minimum

Or 980

[ripe gust]

I mean i might be going gtx 960 2gb

[rapid otter]

2 gb of vram isn't enough

Do you plan on playing games ?

[ripe gust]

Yeah, but most of the games I can run on this system already, just some intense games i wanna be able to play better and some vr games

I might go 1060 tbh

[rapid otter]

For any vr games you need 4gb minimum

I have 6 and I'm always full

Also you won't be able to run at full resolution even at 80 fps

But that's normal

I don't think even rtx 2080ti can run a quest at full smh

@ripe gust also what is your cpu ?

[ripe gust]

i5 2400

Its been fine so far for me atm

Literally gpu

and ram

Im gonna be lowering the res and settings in most of the games

[rapid otter]

Seems 4 times less powerfull than a r5 3600

Might be a bottleneck

Trust me I tried low end vr and it's bad

But talk to others to have some opinions

[ripe gust]

I have tbh. Most of them say vrchat is more of ram and cpu but some of them said it will be fine

The only vrs game im gonna be playings is vrc, pavlov and Beat Saber

[rapid otter]

In multi thread and in single it's like half

I would say 1060 or something with 6 gb (or 4 but that's very low )

16 g of ram

[ripe gust]

I might go 32gb tbh

[rapid otter]

A good cpu (it's not my thing cpus)

[rapid otter]

Of you go with an i 5 2400 and gtx 960 32 gb of ram i a waste of money

16 is really enough

[ripe gust]

Oh okay I'll stick with 16

I mean the gtx 960 4gb Mini vers is 150 and the normal 960 4gb is 155 so Like do i go normal or mini

In uk pounds

[rapid otter]

For 5 bucks take the normal one

[ripe gust]

I actually didnt know there was a mini vers till now

[rapid otter]

Better cooling = better perf (small gains) and gives more headroom for overclocking

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, VRC is mostly dependent on the CPU, but it can also get very VRAM intensive. Really depends on the kinds of Avatars you've shown. Some avatar makers just like to use 8k Textures for no reason...

[ripe gust]

Well I do have a limit in safty of only 60mbs

[haughty thistle]

I'd say 4GB of VRAM should be the absolute minimum for VRC, the more the better really

[ripe gust]

Most of the time im chilling around anime avatars that are not to extreme

And some public worlds but my ram just dies because I dont have enough

and gpu is always going 100 percent

[haughty thistle]

Eh. Problem is if someone turned on crunch compression they somewhat circumvent that, as a Texture with crunch compression has a smaller download size, but still takes up the full amount of VRAM

[rapid otter]

Vr is intensive you need to spend the money for the experience if I'm being 100% honest you should get a totally new pc

[ripe gust]

Oh i didnt know that

[rapid otter]

Maybe you could save the psu and hard drive

But ddr3 board

[haughty thistle]

The GPU needs the texture to be uncompressed to work with it, so it get's decompressed before loading into VRAM

[ripe gust]

I mean, I do have 2 choices of vr headset

Quest Or Rigt

rift*

But some people say quest is really limiting to some things

So im debating on the rift

[haughty thistle]

The Quest needs to compress the image before sending it off to the headset, so you want like 16 gigs of RAM and a decent CPU with like 6 cores or more to really get a good experience with Quest Link

If you can find an old original Vive for a decent price, either that or the Rift CV1 are really the only two headsets I could comfortable recommend with a rig like yours, but even then, expect to turn down settings. VR is really heavy on PC hardware

[rapid otter]

With my r7 3700 my 16 thread get used lmao

[ripe gust]

Im for sure gonna turn down the settings by alot anyway

[rapid otter]

100% true even my RTX 2060 want to kill itself

[ripe gust]

I mean i can get a cv1 or a vive near me

That are refurbished

[haughty thistle]

Unless you already have an original Oculus account, you'd also need to create a Facebook account for the Oculus headset btw

The Vive can be used completely without Facebook, if you value your privacy

[ripe gust]

I've already made the facebook acc

Im probably gonna go vive

[rapid otter]

Idk how much those resell

Keep in mind that for you resolution and refresh rate doesn't matter much

You won't hit max res and fps

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, the Vive might also be a better choice for lower end hardware, as the Oculus Home can be quite a resource hog, even if you have a game open...

[rapid otter]

Hypothetically speaking if you get a new computer you should take a r5 3600 / gtx 1060 6gb / 16 gb ram 1600 mhz or more / and ssd but an hdd is fine / any motherboard if you won't overclock / a 600 w psu / you can keep the stock cpu cooler / any case with fans

@ripe gust

[ripe gust]

I have a budget of like 600

for only pc stuff

But i wanna try to stay at 500

[haughty thistle]

For 500 you can maybe get a decently fast GPU, now that prices are dropping...

[ripe gust]

I mean if add my small ram and psu upgrade i have about 300 or 350 maybe to get a gpu

But then again i dont wanna go too extreme

[rapid otter]

Sure but vr is something else

I had some issues my game were at like 40 fps i never touched my pc for 2 weeks until i had it fixed so low fps vr is just a pain not like desktop with is fine...

Also low fps can induce motion sickness

[haughty thistle]

Maybe upgrade the GPU first and consider upgrading the rest later

[rapid otter]

I am not prone to it but i can heppend

[rapid otter]

Yep

I went with a cheap cpu for a while and then switched

[ripe gust]

Okay

I might go Gpu and ram

[rapid otter]

👍

[lofty minnow]

boneworks is the best vr game i've played especially once you 'master' your physical body in the game

[candid bluff]

it really is I keep going back to it literally no matter what

[sullen linden]

So I’m buying a oculus link cable for my vr but my of doesn’t have a usb c port can someone recommend me a good usb c female to normal USB adapter that won’t mess with the speed of the connection or anything like that

[chilly imp]

I had great experience with this adapter
https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Adapter-Female-Converter-Charger/dp/B079K773M7/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=ugreen+usb+c+to+a&qid=1625885408&sr=8-4

At least on the Quest 1 also using official Link cable

[bleak night]

the kdmas is in

... it could be better

[bleak night]

actually.. is that normal

the white fog-ish stuff

ive noticed that but never had issues with visuals

[gusty frost]

I think it's normal

[rapid otter]

It takes time to get used but once you know how to do everything you can do some crazy things

I love how you can do this gs the way you want

[lofty minnow]

i've grown to like boneworks melee combat more than blade and sorcery's

[sullen linden]

@chilly imp ok

Is there another good oculus link cable that’s less pricey and works just as good while charging the headset

[chilly imp]

Technically you can use a high quality USB 3.0 cable + an active USB 3.0 extension cable

I tried that and the Link cable, both worked and charge at the same time

The active extension cable I was using is a generic one from local store, and USB 3.0 cable is from Anker

[sullen linden]

Oh

I saw a review on YouTube

The guy recommended a good cable but it doesn’t charge the quest

Almost all of the reviews I read on amazon for third part cables say the same thing

Which is that it doesn’t charge

[haughty thistle]

Whether or not it charges the Quest while in use doesn't depend on the cable. It does depend on the power delivery of your PC. The Quest can be quite power hungry in link mode and PCs often don't output much power to their USB ports. There are only a handful of motherboards I can think of that have special "power-USB" ports that can deliver up to 2A, in most other cases it's probably the USB 3.x spec with a little extra, so maybe 1A, which is not enough for the Quest to charge

The Cable is just a bunch of wires connecting the Quest to the PC. Active extension cables as well as optical ones do take a bit of power to work (extenders use that to boost the signal lines; optical ones to convert the electrical signals to optical and back), but it's almost negligible in the context of charging your Quest...

[sullen linden]

Ah ok

So it really doesn’t matter which cable I go with

[haughty thistle]

Shouldn't really. Active cables can have an impact, but it really isn't much. The optical official cable is probably one of the more power efficient active cables you could get though...
I'd not recommend going more then 3m of cable without an active extension though. Signal stability probably won't be great if it even does work.

[sullen linden]

Ok

[rapid otter]

Why do we need usb 3 really ?

Usb to is 450 mbs

Which is a lot

Via airlink 200 mbs is plenty

[glossy ibex]

Well. Not really. Afaik 120Hz uses a lot more bandwidth. So, either you'll need to have super compressed video, or.. It wouldn't work at all.
And thus, both airlink and virtual desktop, use compression.
And link (in most cases at least) doesn't, which will give you clearer image with less artifacts, which are visible in games with a lot of details.

[haughty thistle]

The Quest 1 is locked at 150 Mbit/s for PCVR (SOC limitation), which is just under the usable speed of USB 2.0. The Theoretical speed is higher (180Mbit/s), but that requires perfect conditions you would not find irl. USB 3.0 on the other hand has plenty of headroom. But even on the Quest 2, the bitrate is the limitation of the SOC.
Plus: USB 3.0 cables are generally higher quality and have better signal stability if you don't exceed the length listed in the Spec (3m without signal boosting)

[rapid otter]

Understandable

[lofty minnow]

i love playing arena brawl mode while using fists, a machete or weirdly a shovel

[sullen linden]

I have never played boneworks. Will have to check it out.

[fading epoch]

hey guys I have a index but want to move the pc in my guest room next door for heat reasons will adding a 5-10ft DP male to DP Female add any lag/latency or other problems?

[winter spade]

do you guys know how to hook the quest 2 wirelessly to play phasmophobia on steam? i have never used it on pc before

[icy sluice]

remote desktop?

[rapid otter]

You need wifi 6

The use airlink by the oculus software on your pc

You can look at a tutorial on airlink

[harsh niche]

you don’t need wifi 6

sure it would be better but it’s not needed

[rapid otter]

Maybe but 5ghz for sure

[harsh niche]

definitely

[haughty thistle]

Active extension cables don't add any latency to the signal. At least not to the point that it would be noticeable, even by your PC. Just make sure you are using high quality active extension cables, and you should be fine

[bleak night]

anyone have a teardown of the vive face tracker

im planning on trying to get it working on my pissmax, but that means i need to modify the hand tracker to splice a usb c hub in

and i wanna do custom cabling, and im hoping the face tracker uses a socketed plug

[haughty thistle]

The Vive Facial Tracker is glued shut. Open it once and you won't get it back together. The cable is hardwired into it

[bleak night]

ouch

any photos of the innerds?

[haughty thistle]

Not that I can find any...

[bleak night]

damn

tried looking up the fcc listing, couldnt find one

[rapid otter]

Anyone got some good mods for boneworks ?

[lofty minnow]

UwU Pack

[rapid otter]

@lofty minnow i need your help pls

The mods works says melon loader in the text thing
But no way to actually spawn them ?They don't show up on the menu to spawn guns ect

[lofty minnow]

had the same problem

instead of using modding toolkit

use modthatisnotmod

[rapid otter]

So i can keep melon loader ect

I switch modding toolkit.dll to MTINM.dll or whatever it's called

@lofty minnow

[lofty minnow]

yes

and it should work

[rapid otter]

Ok I'll try tomorrow and keep you updated

[midnight snow]

Ok, so I’m looking at grabbing one of the vive cosmos headsets, is the cosmos elite worth the $900?

Or should I just grab the standard cosmos at $700?

[soft hound]

Don't get the standard Cosmos

[midnight snow]

Reason being?

[midnight snow]

[haughty thistle]

The Tracking on the standard cosmos is 💩

If you can find the original Vive Pro full kit or starter kit, it's a much better choice, especially if you can find it for less or similar as the Cosmos Elite. The Vive Pro Headstrap is tons more comfortable then the Cosmos one plus it has the added benefit of actually keeping the lenses aligned with your eyes (which the hinge on the Cosmos is less the great at)

@midnight snow

[midnight snow]

Yeah but for how much?

[bleak night]

tbh id go with a quest 2 over a cosmos

[midnight snow]

Not selling my soul to Facebook

And I like having all my games in one marketplace

[bleak night]

neither i, our quest 2 is bypassed

[midnight snow]

I’ve been told by plenty that’s not possible

How does one achieve such power?

[bleak night]

it is

get a launch model and dont connect it to the internet

figure out how to skip wifi setup

then run adb commands

ours was a launch model

[midnight snow]

Man like whatever happened to just plug in and go

[bleak night]

you can still semi bypass

as in remove thw facebook account associated

money

[midnight snow]

I don’t have one to begin with

[bleak night]

neither i

[midnight snow]

[bleak night]

i dont even use the quest 2 anymore

[midnight snow]

I’m going to check micro center later to see if they have a 30 series card for msrp, if not I’ll spring on the cosmos

My 1660s ain’t cutting it

[haughty thistle]

The Vive Pro Starter Kit (the one that came with the 1.0 lighthouses) had the same MSRP as the Cosmos Elite. Cosmos Elite had heavier sales over the time, as it was the less popular headset

You might be lucky and be able to find a VP1 as old stock at some retailers still. But afaik the VP1 was mostly discontinued in the US a few years back. In Europe, the VP1 still is on store shelves at some retailers, as they can't get their hands on the VP2.
If you live in germany, Condrad.de still lists the VP1 Full kit as in-stock, but it's at MSRP unfortunately...

[midnight snow]

Damn

I might just go for the index at this point

I hate making decisions

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, the Cosmos just isn't really that good of a headset. Even the Elite. By the time you're spending that much money, you might as well save up that extra bit to get an Index tbh

[daring girder]

My Oculus quest is stuck on boot screen

[haughty thistle]

RIP

Contact Oculus Support. The Bootloader of the Quest is locked down, so there's nothing that can be done from the perspective of the user

[daring girder]

That was useless for me

I can get to the factory reset menu

[haughty thistle]

And?

[daring girder]

I have a firmware update available to me

[haughty thistle]

Have you tried that then?

[daring girder]

Not yet, I don't currently have access to the computer that can do that

[midnight snow]

At this point I’m probably gonna use the cash I had saved for a vr setup to actually upgrade my pc a bit, need fans, a better mobo, psu, and (if I’m lucky) a 30 series card

[young knot]

most VR isn't super intensive at the moment, and UE5 is going to open up a lot of possibilities for VR; I have a 2070 Super and i'm cruising on that, it can handle HL: Alyx beautifully which is pretty much the most intensive VR experience right now

maybe if you find a well-priced higher-end 20-series you'll be fine. I was rocking a RX380 doing VR for a hot minute before upping to 2070S

[midnight snow]

My 1660s isn’t cutting it for cranked 1080

That and I need an upgrade, as my b450 tomahawk can’t handle an OC higher than .42 multiplier

I’m just due for an upgrade in general

[flat pawn]

Most intensive VR experience is unoptimized vrchat

[haughty thistle]

Yup, and even VRC is mostly on the CPU

Really, unless it's a flat game that was just lazily ported to VR, you're gonna be fine with a 1060 class card or higher...

Only reason I have a 3090 is really just for the VRAM. That way I can run a headset like the VP2 at 150% render scale in SteamVR (and native res @90Hz in Vive Console) without running out of VRAM

[chilly imp]

Just curious, how VRC performance on the 3090?

Especially in popular world with a lot of unoptimized avatar

[wind oar]

https://youtu.be/Qj4hqRKiy8g has anyone tried making these yet?

[bleak night]

neos

all users calculate eachothers VRIK

so an event with more than 12 people

hooooooo 20fps time on a beefy pc

hopefully it will change a bit

[bleak night]

vrchat gets 60 easily in most intensice worlds here

neos however.. hoooo its garrys mod but vr basically

[dull plank]

Im waiting for the final version so i can play around with the cad files and make a version with the gutted parts of a wii remote

Cause xbox kinect and a gyroscope solves all your tracking needs

[haughty thistle]

Worst I've seen is 35fps. This was on a Vive Pro 2 with Native Res at 90Hz selected in Vive Console and 100% render scale in SteamVR

[rapid otter]

What is vrik ?

[chilly imp]

I see, thank you

[rapid otter]

I don't find anything about it online

I trust you tho

[lofty minnow]

https://bonetome.com/boneworks/code/1015/

[rapid otter]

Thx

[neon basin]

Is the HTC Vive Pro VR still good even used. And what are some things I should look out for when buying used. Also anyone who has the HTC Vive Pro VR, would you recommend it?

[haughty thistle]

From all headsets I currently own (and that's 6), the Vive Pro 1 is still my favourite.
With used HMDs you wanna look out for 3 main factors (if applicable):

• The Lenses
• The Cable (for wired HMDs)
• Burn-In (with OLEDs)
  All but the burn-in on an OLED panel, you can check without even having to turn on the HMD

[neon basin]

Should I check scratches on the lenses and maybe a bent cable or broken one? And how should I check a burn-in. I probably know how it looks like since one of my phones had it. But I would still like to know it.

[haughty thistle]

Basically, if there's like a ghost image visible through the lenses, while the device is turned on, that's burn-in. Easiest way to check that on the VP1 is to ask the current owner to turn it on without any of the lighthouses set up. If it can't track, it should show a solid gray screen

[neon basin]

Is that burn-in noticeable in games? And how can I check a cable. I know for the lens I should probably look for scratches.

[haughty thistle]

Yup. With the cable, just make sure it doesn't have any major kinks. Then again, HTC still sells the VP1 cable for like 60-70 bucks.
Regarding burn-in, it can be quite distracting. It's rare for an HMD to have it, but I have seen it happening, so be on the lookout for that

[neon basin]

Thanks I will look out for those things.

[flat pawn]

Vrc mic icon

[languid cape]

What’s the best value VR gaming pc

[lofty minnow]

I think it depends on what headset you play

[languid cape]

Quest 2, idk between a laptop or a desktop. Or do I just upgrade my GPU in my 2008 Mac Pro that runs windows… I ran the steam be performance test and it said it needs a GPU upgrade but I have an AMD HD7970 that has 3gb of vram and I don’t feel like putting $500CAD Into this old thing…

[dull plank]

Whats the best budget VR Headset?

I was thinking of getting a Oculus Rift S used since it doesn't need lighthouses and its relatively cheap on the used market

[languid cape]

just overclocked my GPU and it now passes...

[dull plank]

niice

Are we allowed to share Stereoscopic 360º images since its VR related? NVM I dont see any rules relating to it...

If you got a VR Headset you should test this out. https://kuula.co/post/NNcmF

[gloomy crater]

Welp, I ran the same laptop thru the steamVR performance test after replacing the thermal pads, CMOS battery, and laptop battery itself (none of these actually ended up changing anything, the temps are the same, it still doesn't keep time, and it still shuts down the moment I unplug it and won't run purely off of battery) and the only thing that seems to have changed is that where last week it passed the performance test, now it tells me that I need to upgrade. Not sure what I did but I guess the VR laptop dream is dead for the time being

[rapid otter]

Headset strap broke

I was just strapping a friend and it fell apart, the zip ties works pretty good for now idk what to do ...

[haughty thistle]

Welp... I guess it's time for a proper strap for you...

Looks like ever since Facebook has abandoned the high-end VR train, they've forgotten how to make a quality headstrap. Rift S was wobbly, Quest 1 just plain uncomfortable and all the official Quest 2 headstrap seem to not last long...

[rapid otter]

I think I'll keep my zip ties for a while

Straps are expensive

Also do you have one you can recommend ?

[haughty thistle]

The Vive DAS is still one of the best mod-straps

[gusty frost]

if you have a 3d printer... 👀

[rapid otter]

I don't unfortunately

[rapid otter]

Seems good but not in my budget at all

[gusty frost]

You could try one of amazon

It depends on your budget ofc but this is pretty decent I think https://www.amazon.com/Ajustable-Reemplazo-Diadema-Comodidad-Accesorios/dp/B08PDCTQWR/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=oculus+strap&qid=1626274522&sr=8-3

[neon basin]

Once again I am asking for advice for vr. I found a Oculus Rift CV1 and I was wondering if it it still good in 2021 and to what I can compare it. I comes with the Oculus Rift VR Headset, 2 controllers and 2 cameras.

[flat pawn]

Rift S headstrap was great

[neon basin]

And the headset and controllers? Also how was the tracking on your opinion

[flat pawn]

Tracking was just fine

Like any inside out headset you can't hold the controllers behind your back for too long

And bringing them really close to your face things can get weird

Other than that the tracking is solid

Screen was good, easy for a computer to drive

No physical IPD adjustment so if you're an edge case then I'd be wary

Just software IPD adjustment

Controllers are perhaps my favorite VR controllers

And I currently have knuckles

Worst thing about the rift S is the oculus software lol

Excluding the Oculus dash keyboard

That's the best VR keyboard

[neon basin]

The VR Headset I was looking at comes with two camera's so tracking behind your back can be possible then?

[neon basin]

I read something about this yeah

[flat pawn]

Do you mean base stations? Which headset?

[neon basin]

Oculus Rift CV1. I think so, it comes with two track camera's.

[flat pawn]

Ah yeah, that one gives you more tracking freedom

I would still suggest a rift S over that though

Maybe @haughty thistle has more to say about the CV1 though

[haughty thistle]

Personally, for PCVR I'd take the CV1 over any other headset that Facebook has made. The Rift S was decently comfortable, but the lack of IPD adjustment just make it hard to recommend tbh. Unless your IDP is close to the fixed IPD of the headset, just forget about the Rift S

The CV1 is also very comfortable and it's controllers are the most comfortable I've tried, even beating the Index controllers by a slight margin. Construction wise, the CV1 also is much better then any other of the Oculus headsets, but it isn't a Vive when it comes to how durable it is. Don't get me wrong, it is durable, but the Vive headsets are just unbeaten (well the Cosmos sucked, but I think we can all agree on that)

Also keep in mind, the CV1 only relies on the wear sensor to prevent burn-in for when it's just laying on a desk. I've seen my VRcover Fabric cover trigger the wear sensor before, so chances of one with burn-in might be high or lower depending on whether or not it was used with a third-party facial interface or an interface cover. Also keep in mind that the cable on the CV1 is known to break at the clip at the back. Replacement cables for the CV1 are often sourced from used headsets, so they can be in varying quality and are because of it, often over a hundred bucks still.
Especially with the CV1, I'd highly suggest looking at it in-person and make sure the device is visually in a good condition

[neon basin]

Okay thank you. But if I read that correct the cable can be really expensive if damaged and comes from a used headset. I find that rather weird. I will do some extra research myself and thanks for the advice/info.

[neon basin]

burn-in is a picture burned in the vr headset glasses right or am I wrong?

[harsh niche]

dude I can’t stand that

it closes on me all the time and spawns in waayyyy too close

and it looks like the textures are 720p

now that I think of it all of the textures in oculus look like 720p

[flat pawn]

Are you talking about rift s or quest

There keyboard in the rift s software is seriously the best VR keyboard I've used

It doesn't spawn too close and even if it was in a bad position you can move it easily

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Burn-in means there's an inverted ghost image permanently visibly on screen...

[neon basin]

Ok thanks. Is there any common burn in like a menu or not?

[haughty thistle]

Like I said, burn-in is rather rare in VR headsets. Most often found on units that were used for a prolonged period in an Arcade

[neon basin]

I think there wont any then since the headset was used according to the previous owner only a few times in since purchase.

[glossy ibex]

Rule number one:
Never trust the seller / previous owner.
Always check it yourself.

[neon basin]

Yeah I know. I will test it heavily and look at every inch of the headset.

[harsh niche]

the keyboard in the oculus home

it's the same on oculus link as it is for rift

[flat pawn]

I never used oculus home

I'm not sure what keyboard is there

[harsh niche]

then how are you using your rift

[flat pawn]

I'm just talking about when you are in a VR app and you press the oculus button and you can see your desktop in front of you

[harsh niche]

i'm talking about not your own "home" but the grid thing

[flat pawn]

The keyboard there is great

[harsh niche]

it looks like crap and it spawns in too close for me

[glossy ibex]

I don't have much issue with the oculus keyboard as well.
It doesn't look like crap imo, it's just.. literally super-simple and flat keyboard.
And I prefer to have it closer, so there's that.

[harsh niche]

the textures are low resolution

but maybe it was made for the rift s which has a lower res than the quest 2

[bleak night]

waiting for the vive face tracker now

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/gTwUTqyaU9I

[lofty minnow]

why did they put such a great resolution on it but not more fov than index

[gray prairie]

What headset would be moderate for VR gaming on a Linix

[haughty thistle]

Because the Varjo headsets are designed based on their customers interest. Companies like Nissan and Volvo for example. And what they need is as much resolution as possible. They don't need immersion. The Varjo VR-3s and XR-3s main purpose are to help car designers understand their design in real live terms

[rapid otter]

Played for two hours zip ties works wonder lmao

[rapid otter]

Modded boneworks is a blast

Having all the weapons in story mod and arena make for so much fun

Custom weapons like a big revolver and an ak47 doesn't feel out of place they are some very high quality mods

I can send link if anyone wants

[chilly imp]

I just got the Vive Wireless for the Vive Pro and notice that while using wireless, the screen is a bit more grainy compare to wired.
The overall image still looks pretty good and only noticeable in dark/greyish simple background

First image: Wireless
Second one is Wired

Wireless card is running in PCIE 3.0 x1 with 5800x/rtx3080

[haughty thistle]

Huh... I thought the image grain could be because of the lack of Mura compensation...

[chilly imp]

I see
Haven't seen a post about that problem

[rapid otter]

@chilly imp that compression because it's not 1:1 pixel plain colors get compressed but it's not very noticeable while gaming

[chilly imp]

That true, it is barely noticeable in game. Just want to make sure that it is not a defective unit or cable

[rapid otter]

Uncompressed full color 2160 x 1080 is around 18 gb/s, for perspective a very strong router wifi 6ax won't exceed 3 gb/s

I use a quest 2 at 100 md/s i get some of this compression tho in game it's not noticeable

Only hdmi 2.0 can deliver speeds to 18gbs and more

[haughty thistle]

The Compression is quite noticable imo on the Quest 1 (150Mbit/s with a cable, 105Mbit/s on VD)

[rapid otter]

On plane surface it is but in mouvements i don't see it

With air link you can get 200mbs

[haughty thistle]

The 150Mbit/s on the OG quest is a limitation of the SOC, just as much as the 105Mbit/s is a limitation of the SOC. Remember the OG Quest doesn't have the XR2 yet...

[rapid otter]

My bad you said quest 1

You are right

[haughty thistle]

I can understand that it isn't as bad on the Quest 2, but on there, the resolution disparity between native panel res and what is transferred over the cable is much larger. Facebook preferred less SDE over a sharper image, which is not the way to go imo

[rapid otter]

what's SDE ?

[haughty thistle]

Screen Door Effect. Essentially the black area between the individual pixels

Higher res does mean less SDE, but the same resolution doesn't mean same SDE, even with the same panel type (see Quest 1 vs Vive Pro 1 SDE)

[rapid otter]

Like the resolution of a phone compared to a tv

Same res but big SDE difference

[haughty thistle]

That is one factor

That's PPD

[rapid otter]

Yep

You are more speaking about the way pixel are close to each other

[haughty thistle]

But there's also the fact that not every panel is made the same. The First Gen WMR headsets have a much more notable SDE then the Index, even though both have 1440 pixels in width per eye, and the Index stretches those pixels over a greater FOV

The pixels can be physically larger or smaller, depending on how the panel is constructed. This + PPD + Resolution = SDE

SDE is actually the exact opposite of Screen Fill Area, or the Area of the screen that is filled with the actual image content

[rapid otter]

Nice thank you for the explanation

@lofty minnow i removed mod that is not mod, put back moddingtoolkit and reversed melon launcher to 3.0 now i can spawn any item anywhere and custom weapons works

[neon basin]

Is 2 sensors for the CV1 enough or should I have 3 of them?

[haughty thistle]

2 Sensors is fine, but if you want to be able to turn around while in VR, I'd recommend getting a third one

[neon basin]

I need to think about that thanks.

[rapid otter]

The CV1 sensor are similar to base stations ?

[haughty thistle]

Not really. The CV1 has a bunch of IR LEDs in the HMD and controllers and it's base stations are essentially just IR cameras with wide-angle lenses on them

Meanwhile the lighthouse base stations have a motor inside them that sweeps two IR lasers across the room, and the HMD and controllers have a bunch of sensors on them that sense this IR beam

[rapid otter]

Ho ok

[bleak night]

@haughty thistle the face tracker isnt glued together

nor is it hardwired.

[haughty thistle]

I was talking about it's outer appearance

[bleak night]

also the wire is a standard type c socket

oh its compeq

same board manufacturer as the ps1c stuff

also uses standard sockets

[dull plank]

Whats the best budget VR Headset?

[haughty thistle]

If you're willing to sell your soul and privacy to Facebook, the Quest 2, otherwise, probably a used Headset like an old WMR one or a used Vive

[neon basin]

How should I test the Oculus Rift CV1? I was thinking about playing a game and seeing if tracking is good and just look at the condition. Also I think I will need extension cables for the headset since alot of people are saying that the cables are too short but I do not know which extension cables I should get.

[haughty thistle]

Actually, for the CV1, all you really need is the Oculus home and an app called Sensor Bounds. The former is required for the HMD to work, but it's home environment should be enough to evaluate whether or not the screens are still good. From there you ccan also summon a desktop and just play some music on the headset and see if the audio is still good.
For the Tracking, that's where Sensor Bounds comes in, it shows you roughly what the FOV of the cameras is in VR. It can't tell if there's something in the way obscuring the view tho, so be aware of that

[gentle coral]

There is also the cool techniques of
Using really bright tiny LEDs to increase pixel brightness coupled with a micro lens array, which would lower screen door effect without lowering pixel pitch or increasing fill factor for a given resolution, this in essence fakes a high pixel fill factor .

The best example of something similar is the Sony CLEDIS display wall which has an actual pixel fill factor of 1%, and black area of 99%, but looks better up close then a higher fill factor led display of the same resolution. This is as best as I could describe, due to the stable optical crosstalk of the subpixels, high outcouping efficiency, and angle of the pixels through the top glass in such a way as to have high dispersion angle even with low fill factor over the entire pixel.

And if you really want to go nuts you can do a optical metasurface array of nanomirror pillars.

I really should draw some of these up sometime.

Here are a helpful (though a bit advanced) link for fill factor and eye perception of issues on a screen.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ravepubs.com/fill-factor-next-war-display-technology/amp/

[idle raven]

Might not really be question for here but i need this for my VR, ok so if was to buy this Pci-Express usb 3.0 row, wich cables would i need? https://fyndiq.se/produkt/4-portars-pci-e-till-usb-3-0-hub-pci-express-expansionskortadapter-73057f289ab348c4/

[neon basin]

What extension cables for a Oculus Rift CV1 should I get for more length. I want to mount the sensors on my ceiling and if the video's I watched are correct I need extension cables for them and probably also for the headset. So what cables should I get.

[haughty thistle]

For the cameras, make sure they are high quality active USB 3.0 extension cables. They are pretty high bandwidth devices and you want at least two of your CV1 cameras plugged directly into USB 3.0 or higher ports on your motherboard

With the CV1 main HMD, it isn't as drastic. USB 3.0 is still recommended, and so is an active one. It only uses HDMI 1.4 tho

[neon basin]

I have the Gigabyte Z390 mini ITX motherboard and it has 4 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 so I think that is good enough. And I will look into the cable extension and maybe ask some questions.

[torpid sedge]

Ooo a VR chat

[neon basin]

Extension cables are expensive for only 1 meter, it costs around 10 euro.

[haughty thistle]

10€ for an active extension cable is actually pretty cheap. The high quality ones are around 50€ for like a 10m one

[neon basin]

Would this be a good ceiling mount https://www.amazon.com/KIWI-design-Adjustable-Aluminium-Ceiling/dp/B07Y9XH97M
I want to mount it on a flat ceiling an a tilted one.

[neon basin]

I thought it was expensive but after some measuring I probably only need 1 extension cable

[haughty thistle]

Yee any wall mount with a camera screw-mount should be fine

[neon basin]

Also for a tilted ceiling /or angled ceiling

[lofty minnow]

why you getting a cv1

[haughty thistle]

By the looks of it, that extension card needs Molex power to it. Understandably so, as USB 3.0 spec asks for quite some power

[neon basin]

why not? it isnt that expensive and I think it is good for my use

[haughty thistle]

Because A. The Quest 2 ain't available everywhere and B. for certain applications outside-in tracking still is much better then inside-out. For example if you want to use it with Vive Trackers

[lofty minnow]

thought abt B, didnt know it has the same tracking as base stations

[neon basin]

The Quest 2 is available but is it 2x more expensive then the Rift CV1 even used

[haughty thistle]

It doesn't, but in my experience, mixing Lighthouse tracked devices with the CV1 was a much better experience then doing so with my Quest or Reverb G2, both being Inside-Out Tracked

[lofty minnow]

i actually didnt know you could use inside out tracking headsets mixed with lighthouses

it probably doesnt work good

does it

[neon basin]

What is inside out tracking and outside in?

[haughty thistle]

Nah. You can calibrate the two tracking systems using OpenVR SpaceCal, but the Inside-Out systems have the tendency to drift around slightly in the room, and it can be quite noticable, especially if you have a big room or one with little furniture...

[lofty minnow]

man i just imagined my legs flying off of me in a vr game

lmao

[haughty thistle]

Outside-In means, you have some sort of fixed point in the room based on which all tracking occurs. The CV1 has IR cameras as these fixed points, whereas with the lighthouse systems it's boxes with spinning lasers.
Inside-Out means that the Headset has all the sensors inside to track where itself is in the room based on your already existing furniture, and tracks the controllers based on it's position in the room and the relative position of the controllers to the headset

[neon basin]

This is the ceiling mount I just sent. Can the sensor screw into that like in the picture? I am only asking since I do not own the VR headset yet but I want to order the right thing so I can have them both at once without waiting

[haughty thistle]

Yeah absolutely. The CV1 cameras come on stands that you'd have to unscrew first, but then you can just screw them on those mounts

[neon basin]

Outside-in is still good right?

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, absolutely. I'd say it's even the superior method of tracking, but having to set up the base stations is a hassle and I can kind of understand why it's a downturner for so many consumers...

[lofty minnow]

i have a question

is there any application like vd that streams the whole hand tracking data to steamvr skeleton

i just wanna try it out in vrchat

[haughty thistle]

Not afaik

As both the CV1 and lighthouse devices have a fixed point in the room on which their tracking is based, both are pretty similar when it comes to the stability of the virtual room geometry (your guardian). Because of this, syncing these two tracking systems up means there's virtually no movement between the two tracking devices. On Inside-Out tracked devices, the virtual room geometry can move quite a bit, so I'd recommend putting in more buffer in the guardian on an Inside-Out Tracked headset, whereas on an Outside-In tracked headset you can pretty much pull your boundary up to your wall, and it's never going to be behind that wall...

[neon basin]

I only need to figure out where to position the sensors and then screw them into the ceiling so I dont think that is a big problem. I need to use sensor bounds for it right?

[haughty thistle]

You don't have to use Sensor Bounds for that, as the Oculus software will show you on a 2D plane roughly of what the senor can see, but that is 2D from a top-down perspective. Sensor Bounds will then tell you if you need to adjust their angle. You can't move the CV1 cameras while they are running btw, so you start the room setup, calibrate the cameras, check whether their 2D FOV lines up right, if not adjust and repeat, if so, you continue on, draw your boundry etc. and then check Sensor bounds if you need to angle them up or down more. If adjusted, go through the camera calibration again, and then see if it's good now. Repeat until everything is set up in a good manner

Oculus actually recommends both cameras to be parallel to one another when placed in a 2 camera setup. They only recommend putting the cameras at the corners and angling them, when you add a 3rd or 4th sensor

[languid cape]

just got an Oculus quest 2 and its a decent value. I bought it at a best-buy because I didn't want to wait and pay for shipping, and it was advertised for $399 CAD for the 64 GB and with high taxes it was a bit less then $450 CAD which is more then I was hoping to spend, and because of it my bank account only has $14 CAD left and I have no extra money for games. this probably isn't an issue in the states but just watch out in Canada especially if there is PST and GST. other then that, I just been playing the free games for now, and it still blows me away, my 2 complaints are 1 the foam piece is fine but it acts like a sweat sponge and 2 the fact that I couldn't setup air link without a thunderbolt / USB 3 type c cable that I don't have. They get you with games that cost almost or more then $30 CAD each.
my rating:
8 / 10

[delicate violet]

VR games are pretty cheap tbh. The most expensive one I’ve seen is Half Life

On my quest 2 I’ve seen games for $30 or less. Sometimes $40

[lofty minnow]

thats expensive....

[languid cape]

1 CAD = 0.78 USD

my money is worthless.

[delicate violet]

Most mainstream games are like $60

[lofty minnow]

i just crack games 🤷‍♂️

i only bought bns, boneworks, climbey and bs

[delicate violet]

I buy games

[lofty minnow]

good for you

[delicate violet]

Also I forgot to say I use USD

[neon basin]

I was thinking about getting 3 so I can have full 360 degrees tracking.

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, with 3 cameras, Oculus recommends putting two at the front side, angled twoards the center of your playspace and the third mounted at the back corner pointed at the camera on the opposite side

[neon basin]

Can I find this on the oculus site and is there a overview or drawing of this on the site?

[haughty thistle]

The Setup will show you how to best place your sensors during setup depending on the amount of cameras detected during setup

Other then that, I remember Facebook having some images showing the recommended playspace sizes and camera setups with 2 and 3 camera configurations

Lemme see if I can find those again...

[neon basin]

Yes please

[haughty thistle]

For a 3 sensor setup, you can either go like this:

Or have both the front sensors placed at the corners like the back one (which is what I do) and it works fine for me

I'm trying to find the other graphics, but so far, this is the only one I've found :/

Ok, it seems like Facebook has mostly gotten rid of all the original Rift Websites. The Link to the Rift Senor Setup help article redirects to the Rift S Section in the Oculus Support website...

The Oculus Software will guide you through the setup and how to best place the sensors and everything. Naturally, you want to have the sensors already plugged in at that point to let the software know how many sensors you want to set up

[neon basin]

So you basically have this? The circles are sensors

[haughty thistle]

Kind of, yeah

[neon basin]

And my area where I can play is like 2m 2m and height is different almost everywhere because of my ceiling so it would still be the same but smaller area right?

Is there also a height recommendation?

[haughty thistle]

The CV1 sensors are designed to be used at around waist height, so best not mount them too high up

[neon basin]

I thought I had to mount them above my height but apparently not. It makes everything a lot easier because of that

[haughty thistle]

The lighthouses are designed to run at above head height, but the CV1 tracks differently

[neon basin]

Great. I will measure some more so I know approximately where the sensors need to go

[harsh niche]

bro vr games are not cheap

they’re still charging $20 for job simulator

[haughty thistle]

$20 is cheap compared to console games

Those are often $40+

[harsh niche]

and a lot of vr games once your done you’re done.. there’s not really anything else to do like creative games on pc

oh yeah I hate console as a whole

[neon basin]

when using this or my drawing where should I position the pc so that the max cable length isnt like 10meter

[haughty thistle]

This would probably be the best placement. You'd only need one long extension and two shorter ones, possibly only one even

In my case I have one on a short extension and one with a long extension. PC is about there (although my back sensor is on the other side)

[neon basin]

The lenght of one cable is 2.5 meter right?

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Pretty much as long as one can go passively with USB 3. Although I did have luck with my short 1.5m passive USB 3 extension does work with my sensors

[neon basin]

If I messured it correctly I probably need a 3m extension cable since the room has a weird lay out

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, make sure it's a high quality active extension

[neon basin]

How long are the headset cables?

[haughty thistle]

The CV1 and Pimax have about 4m from the headset to the PC, while all Vive headsets and the Index have about 6m from HMD to PC (including connection cables from the linbox/breakout)

Dunno about other HMDs

[flat pawn]

Pimax isn't that short

I thought it was at least 4.5m

[haughty thistle]

It is listed as 4.5m, but from my time with it, it was comparable or even worse then the CV1 cable length...

[neon basin]

Is the Oculus CV1 remote any good?

[haughty thistle]

The remote is only really used by a handful of games. I'd say you probably won't end up using it. It's a 3DOF controller anyways

[neon basin]

The person selling it said it was helpful when u are racing in vr and that is one thing I want to do

[haughty thistle]

Uhh... yeah. The remote does allow you to access the dashboard without having to grab the Touch controllers. It can be helpful, but so far I haven't seen the need for it in my use cases

[uncut turtle]

This has probably been asked before, so a message reference is fine for an answer, but are there any other cheap (<$500) VR headsets/controllers besides Oculus? I’m looking to game in VR but I don’t trust Facebook and my budget isn’t huge.

[bleak night]

for some reason, the face tracker causes my pimax audio to go bonkers if i use the top port..

not the bottom though.

aha!

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4198

this should do it

[daring girder]

What does CV1 mean

[harsh niche]

rift consumer version 1

the original rift

[rapid otter]

Get boneworks i think you can do 100 hours easy

Just to get 100% campaign

[harsh niche]

what is boneworks even about? I’ve just seen tossing cubes around and climbing things

[neon basin]

maybe a used htc vive although u should look a bit on the internet since I do not know alot about htc

[rapid otter]

It's not just a simulation game

It has a story mode where you do puzzle and fight enemies

The best part is that a lot of physics are simulation are put into it. You can kill enemies in a lot of ways or resolve a puzzle in different ways

There is both gun fight and melee

One of the best games out here

https://youtu.be/G_4ApTv3nT8

[haughty thistle]

The only ones I can think of are the used HTC Vive and used WMR headsets. Of those, the Samsung Odyssey and Odyssey+ are probably the best option, but they were only available in NA and SK. I used to have a Lenovo Explorer myself (one of the other WMR headsets) and it was decent, but the lenses were too close and scratched my glasses

[neon basin]

Is this usb 3.0 good?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C7SA21U/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=heau04-20&linkId=7325407574239d44c04da9e09442eff7

And is a hdmi extension cable necessarily? https://www.amazon.com/COWEEN-Repeater-Amplifier-Extender-Transmission/dp/B01GHL72XS/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01GHL72XS&pd_rd_r=EGCF7J819DJA210P3XNE&pd_rd_w=6G7oR&pd_rd_wg=Ewx6y&psc=1&refRID=EGCF7J819DJA210P3XNE&linkCode=ll1&tag=realitycheckv-20&linkId=2bd5b1d317377ff35003072611e54e62

[haughty thistle]

That is a passive USB 3.0 extension cable. I can almost guarantee you that this cable won't work with the CV1

Longest I was successful with was 1.5m which is about half the length of that cable. But even with 1.5m passive cables, it can be quite hit and miss. I have the same 1.5m extension twice and one works fine with USB 3.0, while on the other one, the signal is dropped to 2.0 speeds

And yes, you do want USB 3.0 speed on at least two sensors and the main headset

[neon basin]

Then people on youtube are trolling or something because in the video he showed it working so maybe it does but I found another I can send a screenshot

this one

on the site it says that it is an active usb3.0 extension cable so I think I will order this

The brand is called DeLock

[lofty minnow]

its so comfortable being in bed with the quest 2 because of the strap which doesnt have plastic

[bleak night]

@neon basin you could get the cable matters active cables

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Extension-Changer-Booster/dp/B08BN3WKWJ/

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Extension-Extender-RTX3080/dp/B08CVSWCFC/

[sullen linden]

I heard the quest 3 is coming out in less then a year, I’ll only be able to get a headset around Christmas should I just wait until the 3 drops or get a 2?

[harsh niche]

it’s not

didn’t oculus just say quest 3 won’t come out until 2022

maybe quest 2 pro or something but not the 3

[autumn willow]

Ah cool, a VR channel.

Happens to be my favourite category within gaming overall

[weak matrix]

yeah? whats your favorite game

[neon basin]

Does it need external power from a different power source? And I don't think I need a 8K cables since the Rift CV1 is 2160x1080.

[haughty thistle]

Both HDMI and USB have power lines which active extenders tap into to power themselves

You only need to add external power on those, if the leftover USB/HDMI power is not sufficient for whatever device you want to plug into it on the other end

[neon basin]

So the extension cable need external power from another wire?

[haughty thistle]

Probably not. You may run into issues with the CV1 HMD itself, but the cameras are fine without

[neon basin]

What do you mean with I might run into problems?

[haughty thistle]

The CV1 does require quite a bit of power for the displays, headphones LEDs, etc. So it might not work properly. You have to test it whether or not it works with your mobo/cable or not

[neon basin]

For the headset I probably only need around 1 or 2 meter so I think it is fine.

[languid cape]

whats the best / cheapest VR ready computer. desktop or laptop. bestbuy, memory express and Canada computers would work best.

[gusty frost]

I would say kabylake and a 1060/1070

[neon basin]

First you need to think about what VR headset you want. Then if you want the cheapest pc for look up the minimum specs for the VR headset you want and based on that information you can make the cheapest pc

[haughty thistle]

Yup. Considered VR minimum as of right now is a GTX 1060-class GPU with at minimum 4GB of VRAM. Depending on the headset, these specs might change.
Example: The Reverb G2, you want to have at least 14GB of VRAM, because that thing eats it like it's nothing. The VP2 on the other hand, you'd want 8GB or more. For both of these HMDs however, something with 2080Ti performance or more is recommended...
I can't list every headset here for obvious reasons, so these are just two examples with higher res headsets. Be aware that Oculus headsets do require some extra power when running SteamVR (because the Oculus software is crap) and the Quest/Quest 2 don't actually run at their native res when linked to a computer. The Quest 1 is GPU-load wise similar to a 1080p-class headset (CV1/OG Vive) and the Quest 2 GPU-load wise similar to a 1440p-class headset (Index/Rift S/Vive Pro 1/Vive Cosmos), maybe a little higher, but you get the idea

In regards to the CPU, there really are only 2 things to consider: You'd want something with 4c+HT or 6c and a decent IPC. Anything from Haswell or newer should be fine. In the case of the Quest/Quest 2 (and to some extent the Vive Wireless Adapter) you do want a higher end CPU however, as with those, the CPU also has to compress the rendered image. Here I'd say something with 6c+HT or 8c would be recommended with something from Ryzen 2000 or Intel 8th gen at minimum.

Hope that helps ^^

[neon basin]

What are some fun and good VR games? Right now I want to buy Beatsaber and Boneworks but I would like to know some more fun games. The headset I will be using is the Oculus Rift CV1 with 3 sensors so I will probably have 360 tracking.

[acoustic gate]

I've been enjoying the labs, half life: alyx and i expect you to die so far

[lofty minnow]

woah why do you expect him to die

[haughty thistle]

Moss and Virtual Virtual Reality are also pretty nice games. I haven't finished the former yet, but so far they both seem to not have much replay-ability sadly...

[lofty minnow]

moss is really really boring imo

[haughty thistle]

I like the way they tell the story. Like I said, I haven't finished the game yet. Still pretty early in the gameplay

[neon basin]

I remember seeing first person shooter games but I cannot remember the name. Does any know what it could maybe be?

[autumn willow]

tf2

[lofty minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NN91RHoe4o&t

[autumn willow]

rip tf2 tbh

[bleak night]

f

[languid cape]

f

[idle raven]

Does anyone know a motherboard for 100$ and under that can support intel core i5 3570k and has usb 3.0? I have to have one to be able to run VR

[fallow island]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#X=0,10407&s=14

Doesnt seem like it

[haughty thistle]

In that case you might honestly be better off getting a dedicated USB 3.0 card. If my memory serves me well, there can be tons of issues with some of the early USB 3 controllers and by getting a dedicated one, you're avoiding the issue all together.

[idle raven]

thats the thing. I dont have enoguh power outlets on my motherboard

not for molex or anything

[haughty thistle]

Then you might want to upgrade your PSU as well. What kind of GPU do you have, if I may ask?

[idle raven]

gtx 970

it works with vr

i have a pcie slot under the graphics card

[haughty thistle]

Eh. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel really. It does work, but the memory config on the 970 isn't optimal

[idle raven]

weirdly my friend got a 960 and it works 60 fps

[haughty thistle]

🇽 doubt

[idle raven]

he can play fnaf vr without any problems

[haughty thistle]

VR is very intensive and I don't even get the full 90 fps on the CV1 at times...

I have a 3090 btw

[idle raven]

i have already ordered one sooo...

[haughty thistle]

With VR it's important to have solid frame times. FPS don't really matter all that much, although you do want to supply the headset with the same amount of frames as it's refresh rate

[idle raven]

i wont play any to demanding games

yes

[haughty thistle]

What headset?

[idle raven]

rift s

[haughty thistle]

Ah. Kk. You might want to turn down the render resolution. You might be able to hit 12.5ms frame times in certain games, but the consistency is more important honestly

But you will need USB 3.0 and with these older boards, you.might genuinely out of luck unless you put in an extra add-in card sadly 😕

[idle raven]

yea

thanks for info

[hallow osprey]

so i found out australia will FINALLY be getting valve index ( i have a vive), hoping to get some knuckles for proper controllers, the preorder placements are already sold out in the 1 shop in my city, thanks gaben lol

[haughty thistle]

Logistics are difficult, so I can see why Valve is limiting availability to certain areas, and also probably why they've let EB games handle AU and NZ

[strong bane]

Lol index probably never gonna be available here lmao

[rapid otter]

Guys lone echo is 75% off today

Make sure to check it out

[lofty minnow]

man i just had the weirdest thing happen to me in vrchat

[soft hound]

It's unlikely to not have anything weird happen in VRChat

[lofty minnow]

yea but i didnt know you can have nsfw avatars

and someone had one in a public world

and i was like wtf

[soft hound]

I take it you're new to VRChat then

[lofty minnow]

yep

[autumn willow]

This is VR related, just trust me on this one.

[autumn willow]

It can get pretty weird.

Although

Crasher avatars are the worst ones

NSFW or not

Cuz u gotta restart the game

[hushed pond]

well its vrchat after all, you can do whatever the frick you want, the use of nsfw avatar in public worlds is against the rule tho, so i assume you met some idiot kid with some rando avatar

[bleak night]

never had a single crasher that succesfully crashed me, only lag

[sullen linden]

Without safety settings you're almost guaranteed to crash though

[gentle crown]

Is my 1050ti paired up with 16gb 3200mhz of ram and a r5 5600x able to run alyx at all low settings?
I'm waiting for my 3070 to arrive somewhere in october so don't ask why i have a 1050ti and 5600x

[rapid otter]

I don't think so how much vram it has ? And is it overclocked ?

The r 5600x is plenty 16 gb of ram too

If you are getting a 3070 wait to get it until playing Half Life Alyx, the game is beautiful and the experience is exceptional dont get it ruined by bad graphics and frames rates

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, with that 1050Ti you do want to reduce the render resolution and graphics settings

[rapid otter]

@haughty thistle remember when the 1050ti was like very cool, God damn I'm getting old

[gentle crown]

4gb, not overclocked

[rapid otter]

Nah just stay on what I said you'll thank me later i waited a long time before I got a good cpu and it was worth it

In your case it's a gpu but you got me

[toxic wasp]

Huh. Guess you dont have those problems if you code your own VR games- tho, iirc, hl alyx runs on a 1050ti "acceptable" at like 40-50fps. Luckly i can live with low fps in vr games-

[lofty minnow]

damn i feel sick at 60fps even in pancake games how do u live with 40 50 in vr

[sullen linden]

I've played so much vrchat that a framerate below 45 looks normal to me lol

[flat pawn]

^

Lmao

Whenever it goes above a certain point and it's smooth I'm like whoa, this is what it's like to have frames?

[languid cape]

Guessing 5% of frames under 90 for VR on low settings ain’t bad for a computer from 2008 and a GPU from 2011

[haughty thistle]

The problem is, there aren't any proper VR benchmarks out there, and there probably never will be. There are tons of factors with VR, that a benchmark just can't accomedate for. Things like what tracking system(s) are you using, what VR compositor, what headset, etc.
The OpenVR Benchmark (https://store.steampowered.com/app/955610/OpenVR_Benchmark/) is probably the most comprehensive and realistic one, but it requires a VR headset to be plugged in, or to be more specific, the headset on which you want your result to be based on to be plugged in
Don't use the official SteamVR one, as that one is based on VR titles and headsets from 2016 (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift CV1)

Steam

OpenVR Benchmark

Benchmark your VR setup - OpenVR Benchmark is the first benchmark tool for reproducibly testing your real VR performance, rendering inside of your VR headset. See if your hardware performs correctly! OpenVR Benchmark is available for free! After running the benchmark, you are presented with a score and your result is automatically submitted and ...

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[bleak night]

theres vrmark, though i havent given it a full run through, and it seems a little... meh?

i got it on sale for the whole 3dmark bundle for $8

[haughty thistle]

That's the sad part: there aren't all that many device agnostic VR benchmarks. Like I said, there is OpenVR Benchmark, but that requires the headset you wanna test performance on. I guess there's also the Unigen Superposition Benchmark that has a VR mode that can run on the headset, but I don't know if that just a demo-scene you can explore in VR like with VRmark or if it can also render the actual Benchmark on the headset. But again, you'd also need the headset there.
One thing that Unigen allows you to do is to run the VR benchmark at different resolutions to at least simulate that part of different headsets

[rapid otter]

For me the best way is to ask people or try someone's pc headset if you have access

[modern totem]

is freezing and screen tearing rarely a normal thing?

[haughty thistle]

Freezing, depends on what your PC specs are.
Screen tearing, not so much. I only ever had this happen to me on the Pimax 8k X.
A possibly related issues is that on my Vive Pro 2 I had super heavy stuttering happening. This was caused by Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling. If you have the option with the Windows 10 Settings, maybe try turning that off and see if it helps

[toxic wasp]

Huh. That.. kinda sucks then.. tho, id say (not vr) that 23+fps are playable in a shooter. Aslong as its stable.

[lofty minnow]

23fps?!

thats crazy

[earnest vapor]

hey, whats the best vr pc headset

around 500$

[earnest vapor]

or in general

i have a 2080 super and a Ryzen 7 3700x

steam vr supported

[haughty thistle]

That is very VR capable already I'd say

[earnest vapor]

yeah whats a good headset

[haughty thistle]

Oh you were asking about a headset, my bad ^^"

[earnest vapor]

its good

[haughty thistle]

For 500$ you're pretty much limited to the Quest 2 and otherwise just used offerings. Sadly, only Facebook has really tried to stay afloat in the budget VR market, so that's your only choice if you want to go with a brand new device

[earnest vapor]

quest 2

i considered it

[haughty thistle]

Well, there was Microsoft a while back, but they were forced out the market by Facebook

[earnest vapor]

but im not making a facebook account period

is the valve index still good?

and does the rift s require a facebook account and is it good?

[haughty thistle]

The HTC Vive (the original and sometimes the Pro 1 as well) can be found for around 500$ downwards as well. If yo ucan find a Pro 1 with lighthouses and controllers for 500$, I'd say that's a killer deal

[haughty thistle]

It does if you don't already have an original Oculus account

[earnest vapor]

i dont im brand new to vr

[earnest vapor]

ok so original HTC Vive is a good headset?

[haughty thistle]

The Index is still pretty good, but I'd say if you buy that headset, you'd want Valves warranty which you'd only really get by buying new or one that you can confirm is less then a year old

[earnest vapor]

ok ima look at the HTC Vive

just watch some videos on it

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, the original Vive is build like a tank, so you don't really have to worry about it being doa. Like I said, if you are super lucky you might find a Vive Pro 1 for that money as well, but chances are you won't. Both are still pretty good headsets tho

[earnest vapor]

should i look on ebay amazon?

[haughty thistle]

The original Vive has been discontinued for a while now, so you probably won't find one new. Used devices on Amazon are hideously expensive, so I'd suggest rather go for eBay...

[earnest vapor]

does this look sketch https://www.ebay.com/itm/124818326533?epid=6024812195&hash=item1d0fc08405:g:f~YAAOSwtgpg9aMx

[haughty thistle]

Looks like a legit offer, but it's the HMD only, and you'd need at least base stations to use the headset in the first place, and then controllers would also be required for pretty much every VR title out there

Neither of which are included in the offer btw

[earnest vapor]

oh

sorry if im very noobish, im just making sure i dont screw up

[haughty thistle]

No problem ^^

[earnest vapor]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/393456076352?hash=item5b9bcf4640:g:nxQAAOSwz39g6H2n

this?

[haughty thistle]

Although it is lying about what it is (it's an original Vive, not Vive Pro), it does look to be in decent condition. One thing I'd definitely would ask the seller with any used VR headset is for a picture of the lenses. You don't want to end up having scratched lenses, although this one does look to be in pretty good condition

[earnest vapor]

ok

i think im going to consider this and a valve index

its just so much the valve index

but it does have the full finger tracking

like 1000$

is half of my pc lol

so im very in the middle