virtual-reality

[pastel echo]

Take it very seriously when I say motion sickness is a muscle to train

It really sucked being unable to play my rift for 4 months because it made me sick

Funny enough the way I retrained my brain to accept VR was by laying down and watching WAN show in vr without moving

[frozen spindle]

That might work well if I get sickness

I suppose I might not because I'd be in control

Like with driving

[pastel echo]

If you get sick, just stop for the day or for a couple hours.

The equivalent would be if you were doing bench presses and your arms started to burn and you felt something tear and said to yourself "I'm sure if I just keeping lifting more that it will magically untear itself"

[frozen spindle]

Yeah I don't work out that analogy doesn't work for me

[pastel echo]

Uhhhhh if you keep eating and you're full and then you say to yourself "I'm sure if I just eat more food I'll be hungry again"

[frozen spindle]

lol I still understood it vaguely, that one doesn't do any better

[pastel echo]

For VR?

[grizzled aspen]

oh my bad

i wanted to post on networking

[hollow stirrup]

why did this texture glitch happen in my oculus menu

[lime sorrel]

stuff i dont need from the latest bundle

surgeon sim DI3XA-AXH8K-26N76

job sim D3LR5-GE60C-3XBVM

borderlands 2 vr 0LAF9-Q827M-YB77T

[gray reef]

Oculus or Steam?

[sullen linden]

Interesting as I've never gotten sick from vr but I do still think you're right. Most people do need to build up their tolerance for it.

[bleak night]

key shows a region lock, not sure what region it wants

[lime sorrel]

i bought in EU if that matters

steam

[bleak night]

ah rip, locked my account temporarily.

hope someone can end up redeeming it

[odd plinth]

Question. Valve index is open beta right? So coudln't some one create a way to make the valve sink via blue tooth?

[pastel echo]

What?

[odd plinth]

ok you know the wire that is connected to the Port display plug?

I'll go find me some monkey's to run my lab to make this idea happen 😄 brb

[pastel echo]

@odd plinth Are you asking if it is possible to use your index via bluetooth instead of via a wired connection

[odd plinth]

kinda

[haughty thistle]

Bluetooth has too high latency for VR. Something like what the TPcast did is probably the most sensible DIY way of doing something like that.
Basically, the TPcast used a 5GHz router and a small computer akin to a RaspberryPi to transfer the USB data and then an off-the-shelf Wireless HDMI solution to transfer the Video.
But I think for the latter (the video transmitter) they used a special firmware to make the transmitter behave like the HMD that was connected on the receiver end...

The biggest problem with making HMDs wireless DIY would probably getting your hands on the proprietary connector on the HMD. Although in the case of the Index that should be relatively simple as the Index uses a standard OcuLink connector, at least for the breakout connector

[bleak night]

on the headset its oculink aswell

[odd plinth]

ok no blue tooth. Still.. Trying to figure out how to make it portable XD

[bleak night]

portable index?

its not really possible due to base stations

[pastel echo]

you unplug it and then move it 😎

Or get a sick gamer VR backpack

and then put your base stations 2.0 in a warehouse

[bleak night]

yeah..

[odd plinth]

I want too and I either need to make one or get one of those camper pack's to set thing's inside just to make it work

[bleak night]

youd have to have base stations setup everywhere

[odd plinth]

no i mean while in my room

[pastel echo]

I meeean you could do it with a laptop and just have a open air backpack / harness for it, I've been debating doing that for a while now

[bleak night]

oh

why not use cable pulleys

[odd plinth]

i thought about it

and all i got is a small plant looking hoock

that's all i could afford XD lol

[bleak night]

i mean a set of pulleys is $12

for basic ones

$30 for what i use

[odd plinth]

got it

so some one told me Port display doesn't convert to HDMI

so I thought about this

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Innovera-Usb-Type-c-To-Display-Port-Adapter-Display-Port-4k-Usb-c/852222546

[pastel echo]

I've been thinking about buying or building something like this because I can't put anything on my ceilings

i'd just remove the lamp bits

[odd plinth]

i don't have enough to get that XD

so does this plug work for my laptop?

[bleak night]

what laptop

[pastel echo]

I mean probably but the laptop matters

[odd plinth]

for this laptop

crap

[bleak night]

a 1050?

[odd plinth]

ok mind you

I got this back in 2017

and i payed 2,100 for it

but yes it has a USB C port

[bleak night]

oh no that doesnt seem great but uh

it depends if the usb c port is linked to intel integrated graphics

or the graphics card..

even then, the 1050 isnt....great for vr

especially an index

[odd plinth]

well i can't find any laptop with a display port rather then HDMI

so i feel kinda Fed

[bleak night]

https://uploadvr.com/oculus-rift-s-valve-index-no-hdmi/

theres this here that kinda explains it

[odd plinth]

that doesn't help me here

again I have a valve index. And i can't find a laptop with a display port rather then a HDMI

so yeah feeling F-ed

[bleak night]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-g7-17-3-300hz-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-max-p-512gb-ssd-rgb-keyboard-black/6416473.p?skuId=6416473

this has displayport

cant really suggest much but.. it has one anyway

[odd plinth]

Doesn't walmart have this?

[bleak night]

wait

yours shows diaplayport

[odd plinth]

where?

[bleak night]

the right of hdmi

mini displayport

most laptops use mini displayport

[odd plinth]

But i got a USB C coming

[bleak night]

it might not work

thats the only thing

[odd plinth]

I alreayd payed $18 buck's for it

[bleak night]

yeah..

what brand?

[odd plinth]

brand?

[bleak night]

oh.. is it that innovera one?

it looks.. not great

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-DisplayPort-Adapter-Black/dp/B00HNF0KF0/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=mini+displayport+to+displayport&qid=1618201681&sr=8-9

theres this thats uh... cheap i suppose

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-DisplayPort-Adapter-Supporting/dp/B01K51GM46?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1

[odd plinth]

ok i ordered the port should be here on the 21'st

[bleak night]

and the adapter you nabbed for around the same price

[odd plinth]

right i hope this one work's

[bleak night]

the mini displayport one should work

[odd plinth]

yeah I just purchesed the mini DP

i'm sad TV's didn't have valve display ports along side HDMI ports

[bleak night]

displayport can in theory, transfer more data

[odd plinth]

but some one told me valve had stated there is no uhh.... Port mog for DP to HDMI cause it wouldn't work

errr converter

[bleak night]

huh?

[odd plinth]

the display port for the index can't be converted to HDMI cause valve say's it won't work

[bleak night]

yeah, hdmi doesnt have the bandwidth for it iirc

[odd plinth]

iirc?

[bleak night]

iirc: "if i recall correctly"

[odd plinth]

oooooh

yeah i got the index cause i heard it's the best VR out there

and i was hoping HOOOOPING

i could sit in my room on a beach relaxing drinking Tea / coffee.... Just having a vacation

[bleak night]

if your graphics card in your laptop can handle it

[odd plinth]

it should

I haven't had issue's with it yet ather then having low internet serves that i just upgraded back to high speed

so when i get this to work

♪♫BEACH TIIIIIIME♫♪

[bleak night]

most vr games show a gtx 970 minimum

[odd plinth]

which is why i'm going to set it to 80 HZ

[bleak night]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Legion-Y740-Laptop-17-3-FHD-IPS-144Hz-i7-9750H-GeForce-RTX-2070-with-Max-Q-8GB-16GB-1-5TB-HDD-SSD-Win-10-Home/644813600

il put this here for the moment

[odd plinth]

I was already looking at a Legon laptop how ever didn't look like it had a display port. How ever i'm going to go with the dell one you sent me

when i get my 4th stimuless

[bleak night]

that laptop has a 2070, so it should hold up decently

[odd plinth]

I wanted to get a new laptop that was cheaper how ever get the graphcis card on this one replaced

[bleak night]

i dont think itd be possible unless the card was using a standard

[odd plinth]

huh?

[bleak night]

it does not

you cant replace the graphics in it

[odd plinth]

why not?

[bleak night]

theres no card to replace

on the top left

is the 1050

[odd plinth]

why can't it be replaced?

[bleak night]

its soldered to the motherboard

it cant be replaced

[odd plinth]

oh

why can't laptop's be as simple as desk tops

[bleak night]

thats sorta the issue with laptops

they are designed to be obsolete

[odd plinth]

it's 2021 these issue's should of been fixed by now

it's been for ever now

[bleak night]

its not an issue to companies

they get more money.

thats the whole thing

desktops are so repairable and upgradable because companies produce parts for you to build

and if they made their own desktops 100%

[odd plinth]

right and laptop's are computer's too they should have equal value

[bleak night]

likely they would follow the same thing

they should, but you pay more for portability

and get less for it

[odd plinth]

not realty

[bleak night]

its true

[odd plinth]

cause we litteraly have hot spot's where ever we go

[bleak night]

linus did a video on an open soure upgradable laptop a bit ago

uh

hows that change anything though

[odd plinth]

can i alaberate?

[bleak night]

i suppose

[odd plinth]

You have a phone right?

[bleak night]

yeah

[odd plinth]

there for if you have good time on it with a great deal of internet and data. You should be able to use that said phone as a hots pot giving your laptop enough wifi to move around

[bleak night]

that doesnt really.. change anything still

laptops are designed to become obsolete so you buy a new one

thats all i was saying

[odd plinth]

so your saying i should change back to desk tops? 😦

[bleak night]

if you want to pay less for a pc, and have upgradability, its the best choice

[odd plinth]

cause see.... My experiance i haven't been able to "Build" a great High end computer for under $500

that's why i moved to laptops

right now i feel like banging my head repeatedly off my desk cause i can't seam to find a good salution for 15 year's working with computers

[bleak night]

laptops you cant get high end computing for cheap either

[odd plinth]

and this is where i go baning my head off of thing's.... BRB

[bleak night]

and for $1000 you can build a fairly high end desktop

and for how much you paid for your laptop

you could build a fairly high end pc

[odd plinth]

yeah..... No...... no i couldn't.

[bleak night]

oh you could, you said $2100

my pc was only $2000 in the main parts

[odd plinth]

sad thing of it is i get hamy down parts and I don't have good or great income.... I was only able to afford anything because of monthly payment's and or stimuless

[bleak night]

i have a 3080, and a ryzen 7 5800x

[odd plinth]

i'm going to bang my head off of something brb

[bleak night]

i used my stimulus twards my pc was the thing

like lets say...

you wanna build a fairly cheap pc

a ryzen 3600 cpu is only $200

my motherboard was $200

tuf x570 plus

and a 3060 ti can be around $460

ram for around $100

[odd plinth]

how do i inlarge the text on here?

[bleak night]

hmmm?

[odd plinth]

make words bigger

[bleak night]

like this or like making everything bigger

[odd plinth]

nvm i found the settings

[bleak night]

ah ok

[odd plinth]

heah i got bad eye site and i just wanna sit back in my confy chair in this conversation

I hope this Mini DP can help me cuase I wanna come up with a way to optimise as much as possible for a cheap price

[bleak night]

it probably wont run well, but the laptop suggested should be good if it doesnt work well

[odd plinth]

right but that requires I get a new one in that case

on that note i'm dissabled can't get a job and on fixed income and every thing i tried hasn't worked for me so far it seams

that's why i mostly try to work thing's under a budget

[bleak night]

i am too

[odd plinth]

well so far the only thing i have seen today was the port salution that was a bit under priced

[bleak night]

i deal with severe leg pain n such so i mean.. yeeeah

[odd plinth]

If and this is a big if

I could build a comunity laptop and Mass produce it.... It be modifiable

flat space tech with high end idea's

thats my only mean's of a good laptop

that said ask me why i picked this name XD

[bleak night]

huh?

[odd plinth]

oh believe me it will make since later

[bleak night]

gotta give me a sec. dealing with pain n such

[odd plinth]

take your time 🙂

Kinda wish i had Linus's set up from his living room

seam's like it could work for every one

[bleak night]

i run 3 base stations

with trackers

[odd plinth]

I wish i could get mine to work

so question

could I run the Index with out the head set?

no?

[haughty thistle]

Wdym?

[sullen linden]

If you mean the speakers on the sides, yes

[odd plinth]

no i mean

valve gave us the option to buy thing's seperatly

so with out plugging in the head set could we use the index?

[sullen linden]

It has to have a physical connection to your pc

[odd plinth]

so the base station's wouldn't work either

[sullen linden]

They would

[odd plinth]

.......

[haughty thistle]

There's a reason why devices are either portable or modular. Modularity takes space, so portable devices are often built to be thrown away to make them more portable.
The best example I can think of is with the Fairphone 3. It's modular, but it's also very bulky and has outdated specs, even when it came out. Most other phones are for the landfill once something breaks, but also a lot smaller.
What would you rather have?

[odd plinth]

ok how about this. I'm placing my brain in a jar and i'm going to bed 🙂 Gn

[sullen linden]

Ok let me put it like this, you don't need to have the index to be able to use the controllers or base stations. You can use a headset of your choice but depending what you want to use it can be tricky.

[pastel echo]

Ya

[manic lion]

Heres the avatar fully uploaded from unity

I just need to add a few more things to the wings

[odd plinth]

I mean I tried paring my knuck's yesterday but steam couldn't find them

[haughty thistle]

[haughty thistle]

You were trying to pair them to an Index HMD, right?

[odd plinth]

no i gave up on that and thought i could pare the knuck's with out it

is there such a thing as a afordable server?

[haughty thistle]

The thing is... Each Index controller requires it's own Watchmen antenna. The Index HMD comes with 2 built-in. So does the OG Vive, Vive Pro, Vive Cosmos Elite and all the PiMax headsets. The alternative is to pair them to separate dongles like the ones included with Vive Trackers (although these dongles each only support one device at a time)

[odd plinth]

face palm

i asked a simple question i get difficult answer's in responce XD

I love life right now

[sterile fiber]

Just get the Cosmo

[odd plinth]

what's a cosmo?

Litteraly curious

[haughty thistle]

He means the Vive Cosmos. I wouldn't recommend getting that one as the Vive Pro is a similar price but a lot better in regards to the visuals

[odd plinth]

ok i got one VR I don't need another just gotta find a way to make it work

[haughty thistle]

The Tl;Dr of my message is: you have to pair the Index controllers to an HMD that is tracked the same way as the controller or a Vive Tracker dongle

[odd plinth]

you lost me at Dongle

[haughty thistle]

HMDs that are tracked the same way as the Index controllers are for example the Index and the original Vive

[odd plinth]

so i litteraly need the head set to pair the other devices

then why are they sold sepretly

[haughty thistle]

Because the Index controllers can also be used as an Upgrade to other headsets like the original Vive

[odd plinth]

i got this one cause i can do more with it then any other rig

for instant's creat thing's with the index or for the index to make it more intristing

[haughty thistle]

For me to be able to help you better, can you just tell me what HMD you have?

[odd plinth]

to do that i need to know what that is

[haughty thistle]

Just send a picture

[odd plinth]

of?

[haughty thistle]

The HMD (Head Mounted Display aka the Headset)

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, that's the Index. You should be able to pair both of your Index controllers to it

[odd plinth]

But the headset doesn't work with my laptop atm

I just baught a mini DP adapter lasnight it should arive on the 21st

[haughty thistle]

Oh yeah. But the headset needs to be connected and active to pair controllers to it.
The controllers might be paired to the headset out of the box if I'm not mistaken, so just plug it in (once you can) and turn the controllers on to use them

[odd plinth]

right

but my question lasnight was if i could pare them with out it. I'm guessing that's a grinding no

[haughty thistle]

The answer is yes and no.
Yes in the way that SteamVR has to be running with enough active Watchmen dongles (again, 2 of them are built-in with the Index but only ever active with the headset).
And no in regards that there are other Watchmen dongles out there. As in there are other headsets with Watchmen dongles built-in and they are also included with certain other devices like the Vive Trackers

To answer the question whether the Index controllers can be used like for example an Xbox controller in flat games, the answer is no.

[odd plinth]

so... Noooooo 🙂 Great i'll just wait for my mini dp to arive to test it out

amagion my supprise when i got this yesterday just to feel down later after finding out i can't use it right away

i was so bumbed

[haughty thistle]

Valve isn't responsible for stupid decisions of Laptop manufacturers

[odd plinth]

true and i never held it agenst them

Just wish the idea of Ports were optional

[haughty thistle]

Heh... You'll always going to have that problem. Wireless solutions might be getting better, but they will always be inferior to wired solutions. And as of right now, for VR at least, there are numerous trade-offs with any wireless solution (be it noticable compression or short battery life, pick your poison)

[odd plinth]

well i was thinking along the lines of having a step back and thinking long term like having tech that last's for years with out having to replace it

you know? Like hard disk's?

the idea that having the same ports for every thing?

[haughty thistle]

If you want to say goodbye to progress, be my guest. The reason why new ports get introduced is often because older ports stop being fast enough for higher data rates. Like how SSDs no longer use SATA to connect to the motherboard and now use M.2. the latter using PCIe as an interconnect which is much faster. Or how USB 3.0 introduced extra pins to the port to support the much higher data rates. Or how we moved on from Parrallel being the go-to connector for printers

The reason why Windows has so many issues with updates nowadays is because Microsoft is trying to keep software from over 20 years ago compatible with even the most recent versions of Windows 10

I could think of so many more examples, but you get the picture (I hope)

[odd plinth]

just read the first line of that... and i'm guessing your limited to understand what progress means XD

think if this were the case to technoligy then we would be more advanced

having said that we wouldn't have problem's we have today

[haughty thistle]

Complain to companies why there are two separate standards for Digital Display connectors..m

[odd plinth]

I mean i could but it wouldn't salve any thing XD

The onlything i could do is suggest some idea's but i know they wouldn't take it

[odd plinth]

my plan's for VR. Let's see. Creat a Digital space for my self where i can be as creative as i want. Then go into the oassis and Fight for the key's to holliday's easter egg's. XD AND DOMINATE THE DIGITAL WORLD AS KING!!!!! muahahahahaha

but now those plan's are on hold till i get this thing to work XD

[sullen linden]

I'm just waiting for SAO type of full dive vr but don't think that's gonna happen in my lifetime

[odd plinth]

so your saying the games that we have now for SAO don't match the anime quite yet?

[sullen linden]

No I'm waiting for a VR device that lets us be fully immersed

[odd plinth]

I thought the Index was immersove?

[pastel echo]

What's your first language?

[haughty thistle]

HDMI is mostly being developed and kept alive by TV manufacturers and in that regards a spiritual successor to S-Video and Composit Video.
DisplayPort on the other hand was developed with PC Monitors in mind and is in that regards the spiritual successor to VGA.
In reality, it's all a bit more complicated, seeing that HDMI is based on DVI, which was also a PC video standard...

[pastel echo]

Does display port carry audio now?

[haughty thistle]

Yup

That's actually how the Index receives it's audio

Nvidias power saving features often turn off Audio over DP for devices that were connected via software (like the Index) and thus you often end up with no audio unless you do some registry modification

[pastel echo]

Hmmmmm, maybe I'll finally accept the display port standard in a few years, just bought an ultrawide that uses HDMI so can't do it yet, but maybe its okay that cards have more DP then HDMI

[haughty thistle]

But both my monitors show up and they're both connected via DP

[pastel echo]

I hopelaptops keep to the HDMI trend though, much more useful for plugging laptop into TV then Display port would be

[haughty thistle]

The thing is: DP is much superior to HDMI.
DP works in a fundamentally different way compared to previous display interconnects. It has 4 video "channels" which can be linked together dynamically to allow for up to 4 different monitors powered over the same DisplayPort-Out or one Monitor with 4x the resolution.
Besides that DP has native compatibility layers for both HDMI and DVI, so a DP out can be adapted to HDMI or DVI with a passive adapter rather then an active one which are much more expensive
All of this without mentioning the native support of DSC (Display Stream compression; aka latency free, lossless compression to support even higher resolutions and refreshrates without requiring more bandwidth) and a real-time data-reverse-stream for things like G-Sync and ULMB

What does HDMI have? Official Dolby Atmos, Vision and DTS:X support as well as the support by the entire TV market...

[odd plinth]

Right? Which mean's it's sad they don't use valves display cable

[haughty thistle]

I'd wish for a world, where everything id DP, and we no longer need any adapters

[pastel echo]

Can't USB-c carry DP anyway though

[odd plinth]

USB C is for the duel core

And i doubt that it prossess's VR properly

[haughty thistle]

USB-C has embraced DP as it's standard with "DisplayPort-Alternative Channel". Most laptops nowadays support DP over Type-C

[pastel echo]

So we can move to replacing DP with the USB-c standard 😎

[haughty thistle]

Although, I have seen laptops where the Type-C port was marked "charging and data only" aka missing the DP support

[pastel echo]

I have a monitor that plugs in via USB-C (if thunderbolt it powers that way too) be real nice if that could be the future

We all just have different lengths of Type C cables and then the ports will determine what they are capable of

[sullen linden]

Don't get me wrong index is very immersive BUT it is no where near "full dive"

[haughty thistle]

If I remember correctly though, then the DP implementation of the Type-C connector calls for only 2 of the 4 video channels supported in the DP 1.4 standard as a requirement, in order to make it easier for laptop manufacturers to integrate DP-AC into their devices. The only manufacturer that I know of that has built-in support for the full DP 1.4 bandwidth is Apple with their MacBook Pros...

[pastel echo]

That doesn't feel like it'll be too different from how some laptop manufacturers don't implement up to date standards right now

[odd plinth]

And that my boi's show's how much the manufatureer's have faith in there system's

[pastel echo]

What?

[odd plinth]

Ok think about it this way

People are going with the commen "Build your own PC" right? That's not "Build your own gaming laptop's" So the manufacturer's don't have that much faith in there laptop's when it come's to new tech

[pastel echo]

I don't think that's accurate at all, I think same as PCs you can buy things at different price points and manufacturers will only include what consumers find necessary

Most people don't need a display port on their laptop for example, and those that do will probably have a USB-c or thunderbolt port that for most people won't need DP 1.4 as 1.2 would be fine

[haughty thistle]

Those who use DP are often gamers. So naturally, manufacturers say that since you are a gamer with the need for DisplayPort, you probably have the extra cash to afford a higher end gaming laptop with a seperate DP-Out

[pastel echo]

They aren't wrong

[celest creek]

anyone up for beat saber multi?

[digital venture]

anyone getting s a shutter in steam vr on qeust 2

i just got one and it shutter on one pc

but not the other

[rough crypt]

Would love to do beat saber multi, when BMBF updates again

[rough crypt]

What are the USB's for?

[pastel echo]

For the vive trackers

Each one needs a dongle to relay info to PC

[rough crypt]

oof thats a lot of usb ports

I always thought those boxes relayed information and such

[pastel echo]

If I understand correctly the boxes give the devices the data they need to send to the computer themselves

[rough crypt]

So a bit like a GPS satellite

[pastel echo]

I don't know, the boxes shoot Lasers and the device interprets the laser I think

[rough crypt]

Its awesome tech either way

Completely forgot those things also need to be charged

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, the Lighthouses (in your words "boxes on the ceiling") are basically what the GPS Sattelites are for your phone, except a lot more precise.
But unlike GPS in your phone, the lighthouse tracked devices don't actually process their position on-board. Instead they send the raw data (delay to sweep start for each sensor that received a pulse) to the PC which then calculates the position based on where it thinks the lighthouses are. That's also the reason why these devices need special dongles to transmit their data. The protocol is highly optimized and relies on super low latency transmission in order to not mess up the calculation for the position

[rough crypt]

Interesting

[haughty thistle]

Alan Yates (the brain behind the Lighthouse tracking system) explained the ins-and-outs of how the system works. He didn't explain the Watchmen protocol (which is used to transfer the raw data), but there are other videos about that out there as well... https://youtu.be/75ZytcYANTA

[bleak night]

v2 lighthouses use a single rotor

and use bluetooth, but rarely.

[haughty thistle]

Bluetooth was already built-in with older lighthouses as well. It's only used for power state management (aka standby)

But you are right, V2 lighthouses use a single motor and they sync on the beam rather then using a separate sync signal.
The way they managed to get away with one motor is by rotating both beams by an angle of 45° in relation to the motor axis

[bleak night]

mmhm

well, bluetooth is also used for identification and also updates

and channel configuration

the fans work well for cooling both me and the index

[sullen linden]

I've heard a lot of people complain it gets hot but I haven't had that issue

[bleak night]

i run at 144hz with 200-300% resolution set

[sullen linden]

I run 144hz 150%

[soft harness]

Whats the best wireless vr headset

[bleak night]

having trouble keeping it at 144 hz here

[bleak night]

quest 2 id say.

sadly needs facebook unless you bypass it

[soft harness]

Just the acc?

[bleak night]

hmm?

[soft harness]

If so i will just create a bogus acc

[bleak night]

you can get your headset bricked by doing that

[sullen linden]

Wouldn't recommend that

Yup

[soft harness]

Why?

[bleak night]

even alot of real accounts get bricked

facebook has a rule against fake accounts

[sullen linden]

Because facebook can just brick your headset if they decide that your account is fake

[bleak night]

and that also means.... if you barely use yours its suspicous and gets flagged

so a bypass would be uh.. a safe-ish way

[soft harness]

Not fake i just dont have a fb acc just like a spam email and thars it

[bleak night]

unless you use your real name and all that

facebook gets angry

[soft harness]

I mean putting ports in my ceiling is always an optin i guess

[bleak night]

so i hiiighly dont reccomend making a "bogus account"

[soft harness]

Best headset overall?

[bleak night]

well... depends

[sullen linden]

Ports?

[soft harness]

Like hdmi usb what not

Im thinking vive series

[bleak night]

id say a pimax setup with valve knuckles would be "best"

[soft harness]

Vive pro?

[bleak night]

wouldnt recommend it

[soft harness]

K

[bleak night]

if you want a vive, wait for the new one

they teased a new headset

[soft harness]

Nah me want to play beatsaber an minecraft

[bleak night]

i mean.. theres always the index

the quest 2 has better lenses though

[soft harness]

I dont like facebook

[bleak night]

it really depends

i dont either

[sullen linden]

I don't know where your computer is that you need ports in your ceiling but you could just install a pulley system

[bleak night]

planning on doing the bypass on my roomates headset

[soft harness]

Its for moms

[bleak night]

i use a pulley system myself

[soft harness]

I mea so i dont trip over then

[sullen linden]

So a pulley system then

[soft harness]

No i dont want that i want clean

[bleak night]

thats gonna be hard to do

its vr after all

[soft harness]

My PCs are in my desk a fair bit away

[haughty thistle]

The displays in the Index run best with the frunk cover plate on and no fans cooling down the headset. LCDs can switch their pixels faster the hotter the panel is.
So maybe try removing the fan and putting the plate back on and see if that helps

[bleak night]

best bet is a facebook bypassed quest 2 with alvr

[soft harness]

Like 5m

Ok

Its white right?

[bleak night]

yeah

[bleak night]

still gets warm here, but i also need the face cooling aspect pretty badly

[soft harness]

Perfect then i will do some wraping woth pink cyan and black

[haughty thistle]

Vive Pro with Wireless Adapter imo. But it's expensive and replacing the headphones with your own is recommended

[sullen linden]

It doesn't get that hot where I live so that's probably why I'm fine without the cooling

[soft harness]

Nah imma order the quest

[bleak night]

i still say going pimax with a wireless adapter is the "best"

XD

but its expensive

[soft harness]

My room is @ 19c

[haughty thistle]

PiMax is garbage...

[bleak night]

its got a nice fov

i might need to look into lens replacements for the index

[haughty thistle]

And it's not like O didn't try one. The large FOV is the only positive about PiMax

[sullen linden]

I think mines around 20°C but it's pretty cold outside

[bleak night]

the oem ones are garbage

[soft harness]

Im in south africa outside is 25ish c

[bleak night]

for me, the only positive thing about the index is the fov.

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, the Index has (after Oculus) one of the best VR lenses in a consumer VR headset. Everything else I've tried is either an Oculus Product, or has worse lenses

[bleak night]

and i guess tracking but rhats not saying much

our index has horrible lenses

severe glare around the rims and in the center

rma'd once.. and then valve told us to screw off

[haughty thistle]

Maybe you haven't adjusted your headset properly. I thought so too untile I found out that I had the headset sitting all wrong on my face

[bleak night]

ive tried everything

no matter what position the headset is

its still there

[sullen linden]

Hmm I don't get that much glare

If something bright is against a dark background, yes but not that bad

[haughty thistle]

The Reverb HE has significantly more glare from the outside coming in and the Vive lenses have horrendous god rays, the moment you look at something bright

[bleak night]

this is what i get

it effects anything moderately bright on a fairly dark area

and i have reduced brightness too

130% default caused insane amounts of ot

[soft harness]

I wont have glare my rooms lightsare voice and software controled so if i open a game my lights turn off

[bleak night]

glare isnt from outside lights

[soft harness]

Oh?

[bleak night]

its from the headset itself

[haughty thistle]

It does look amplified in the pictures...

[bleak night]

its not actually

its exactly how it looks

had to tune my camera settings to get it right

[soft harness]

Ok im short sighted i think the screens are close enough to me

[bleak night]

its quite a pain and i dont get why its so horrid

[haughty thistle]

What I get (on my fairly old Index) is something that looks like a halo at the edge when looking at something bright, but it's barely noticable. And then there's a faintly visible ghost image. Both i was able to ignore after a couple of hours in the Index

[bleak night]

my roomate beat alyx on it and had a rough time in dark areas

[haughty thistle]

Trust me, the Reverb G2 and Vive lenses are much worse when it comes to glare

[bleak night]

for me its so bad its almost unplayable for certain things

compared to the quest 2... which may be unfair but

[haughty thistle]

And even the CV1 lenses look bad in comparison to the Index

[bleak night]

quest 2 has none.

absolutely nothing.

[soft harness]

I beat alyx on a friends rig which took here like 7 weeks to do turns out here usb port was broken lol

[bleak night]

and its a uh.. its a jump here anyway

[haughty thistle]

Press X to doubt

[haughty thistle]

Every Fresnel lens has glare. And since the Quest 2 uses Fresnel lenses there is glare

[bleak night]

a bit of that weord orange blue

but.. compared to the index.. quest 2 is miles better

i dont understand why

[haughty thistle]

It just looks different on the Quest

[bleak night]

the rings?

[haughty thistle]

Jup

[bleak night]

i never notice it

index is just... god i cannot stand it

it takes the immersion away immediately

[sullen linden]

Time to test out new base station mounts so I can get them off the tripods

[soft harness]

Im mostly just looking forward to vr minecraft

[haughty thistle]

It's a different type of glare. And just how you got used to the glare in the Quest 2, you will get used to the glare in the Index. It's just how consumer VR works right now.
You don't want glare? Get smoove convex lenses, but those are hella expensive

[bleak night]

the index is hella expensive

though being fair.. i never noticed the quest 2 glare to begin with

[haughty thistle]

Well... The cheapest headset that I can think of that comes with proper convex lenses is the Xtal, which starts at 5k

[soft harness]

I used to have a plazma tv talk bout glare

[bleak night]

huh?

plasma is pretty damn nice

[haughty thistle]

Damn' autocorrect changed Xtal to Crap smh

[bleak night]

welp

im just hoping for a good lens mod

because it felt like a slap on the face.

hell yknow what

the glare on my dk2 was better

everything about the index was great.. except the lenses.

shit now im sad again

im probably gonna see if theres any way to fix the severe glare.

oh yeah.. apparently its almost identical to what the og vive had.

i described it and showed it to a couple friends of mine who use a vive, and they said their vive looks the same

[haughty thistle]

It... Isn't?
The OG Vive and Vive Pro have basically the same lenses. And I already said that the Vive (OG and Pro) have significantly worse lenses when it comes to edge clarity and God rays (glare as you call it)

[bleak night]

idk its just extremely bad here

[haughty thistle]

A camera picks up light differently to our eyes and so it looks worse on a picture in my experience

[bleak night]

im telling you now, those pictures are 1:1

i had to tune my camera settings to make it look exactly how it looks

it gets to where if i look at something bright

[haughty thistle]

Ok, that's not how the Index is supposed to look

[bleak night]

theres a chance the entire lens glows

i know

thats what ive been trying to say anyway

i had an rma already

and it was a little better

[haughty thistle]

Hmm...

[bleak night]

but still severe glare

and valve said screw off basically

[haughty thistle]

Have you whiped the lenses before and if yes, what did you use?

[bleak night]

i have, tried with the lens wipe it came with

eyeglass cleaner

even iso

only once with iso

[haughty thistle]

The eyeglass cleaner (and possibly even the iso) was a mistake. VR headsets have special coatings on their lenses to reduce glare and make them more durable, but these coatings easily dissolve with many types of cleaning agents

[bleak night]

the glare was still there with the dry cloth first anyway

[haughty thistle]

There's a reason why it says

Only clean with a damp cloth

Hmm...

[bleak night]

the eyeglass cleaner did nothing to change the glare

nor did the iso

both looked the exact same

[haughty thistle]

I really don't know then...

[bleak night]

i mean hell our quest 2 we use 99% iso to wipe the lenses down

and it looks way better still

has scratches galore too

so im not too sure either

only reason we dont use the quest 2 instead is because link looks like a 480p video no matter what

and tracking isnt... great

il be trying to get alvr working with internal wifi so we have true wireless vr

just to do some stupid stuff. id need dongles though

[haughty thistle]

My experience with ALVR was either potato image or heavy latency. VD works a lot more like link in that regards, but it's still slightly worse then link

It's not like I predicted this, buuut... I kinda predicted this: https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/1381603552318038016?s=19
We'll see the new Vive headset very soon. 11 & 12 May in fact. Just like with the Trackers, they dropped the cover just a few weeks after the first teaser

HTC VIVE (@htcvive)

Mark your calendars.

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Twitter · Apr 12, 2021, 1:42 PM

[hollow stirrup]

cringe

[celest creek]

If it isnt cheaper than the quest 2, or has insanely good specs... It's probably not going to sell well

[haughty thistle]

HTC already said they didn't want to position this headset as a Quest 2 competitor.
They might try and make a high-end Standalone headset (kinda what the Vive Focus is except a bit more consumer oriented?)
But you guess is as good as mine...

Based on this picture (posted by HTC on their own Blog mind you), it looks to me like a compact headset, maybe with a wide front side (so possible larger then standard FOV)
https://blog.vive.com/us/2021/04/09/vr-headset/

[pale orbit]

one of the vr youtubers apparently knows quite a bit about the new vive headset, to the point he couldn't say the price other then like an index or just below it

and a quest 2 on steroids spec wise

so say $800

[haughty thistle]

Sounds exactly like a Pico Neo 3 competitor. Pretty much what Tyler said in his video about ViveCon...
We'll see what HTC is going to bring to the table, but 800 bucks for a new Headset would be nothing new for HTC (considering that both the OG Vive and Vive Cosmos started at that price)

[celest creek]

By standalone, they're meaning as in like a quest, not like just a wireless headset right?

i kinda wonder what the OS is gonna be like

[pale orbit]

yes standalone like a quest

probably using the same XR2 soc

it'd be nice if unlike the quest however they had the option for a full display port + usb pcvr hookup if one wanted

instead of the compressed usb 3 on the quest

[haughty thistle]

To justify the higher price point, it's most likely going to have more beefy cooling for that XR2. But I do agree with Whelm regarding the Native PCVR support.
It would be super cool if it had the regular Vive Cosmos/Pro cable connector and you could just buy a Vive Cosmos cable harness to connect it up to a PC or install a Vive Wireless Adapter onto it for compromise free Wireless PCVR.
Ngl that's kinda my dream headset. Native PCVR, support for the Vive Wireless Adapter (or another purpose-made wireless VR solution that doesn't impact on the experience) and ofc standalone capabilities

[pale orbit]

beefy cooling will let them run the XR2 at spec at least, or maybe even slightly oced

in the quest2 it's downclocked a ways afaik due to lack of cooling

[haughty thistle]

Yup. While the OG Quest had the 835 overclocked to deliver any usable performance for VR, the XR2 in the Quest 2 is significantly underclocked and volted in order to not cook the SOC

[flat pawn]

which pimax did you try?

[sullen linden]

hey guys

can somebody help me?

im next to buying a quest 2, but i have never had a fackebook account and im creating one, im not an adult yet, so im scared that puttin my real age may prevent me from buying some games (the ones that have the pegi18+ ratings, like shooters or horrors or other games), but im also afraid because i know that facebook banned some people for having a fake name so i dont know what will happen if i lie on my age

any help?

[sullen linden]

tag me if you can

[bleak night]

alvr is supposedly great if you use wifi 6

link is potato image for me

[gloomy crater]

Friend was trying to decide between upgrading his graphics card, and buying a quest 2 for the past few months now. He still can't get a graphics card, so he got impatient and decided on a quest 2. Now he's messaging me asking why it's lagging and having connection issues when he tries to play stuff over virtual desktop. What are some steps I can give him to troubleshoot

[bleak night]

what current card

because that matters

quite alot

[lofty plaza]

Is the quest 2 worth it or should i buy a gaming rig? I want to get into VR but idk where to start and what to start with. And what gpu should i use for vr?

[gray reef]

Quest 2 is good, but there are a lot of PC VR exclusive titles. If you’re fine with not playing those ones, I’d say go for the Q2. Also, keep in mind Zuckerburg will 100% be stealing your data if you go oculus, which depending on how much you care might inform your decision

[lofty plaza]

K thx

[gloomy crater]

He's got an 8gb 480. Sorry i'm late, I was trying to help him and got distracted

I went over there and ran a few tests, and it would seem that most of his issues came from him trying to run VD over a 2.4ghz connection, but we fixed that and set it to the 5ghz network. afaik he hasn't actually tried playing anything since then but the menus and everything work smoothly now

[haughty thistle]

The 5k Super. So their "kinda" flagship HMD that they're positioning as a better Index, but it definitely is not better then the Index (other then FOV)

[flat pawn]

5k super is the one I would be interested in

Damn

I saw one video about it from thrillseeker and he seemed to like it

Do you agree with the points he made in his video?

I'm curious if you had a different experience

[sullen linden]

.

[grim jewel]

Can you do vr on a amd gpu

[thick nest]

you guys still think stealing data will change anybodys mind

[green crypt]

yeah why wouldn't amd gpu's work it depends on what amd gpu tho the lowest is a 470 8gb that you can go on amd

[grim jewel]

I have a rx 5700 xt

Idk ive Never Seen it on AMD gpus

[sullen linden]

I've heard that AMD's drivers sometimes break for VR but that's about it

Should work just fine otherwise

[grim jewel]

Ty

Break?

[green crypt]

i know multiple people playing vr on amd

vr even runs in linux on amd gpu's

[gray reef]

It changed my mind, as soon as I can get my hands on one, I’m ditching my Q1 for a Decagear

[haughty thistle]

I do agree with him on the FOV and the fact that you can easily forget the distortion just as you can forget the black area around the lenses on other headset, but because there's actually something there it does make it all feel much more immersive.
I also agree with him on the audio, that it's absolute garbage. Although the mic was at least a decent compared to the OG Vive and Vive Pro mics.

My main complaint is the entire rest of the headset (what is similar/the same on other PiMax headsets) but also the screen quality.
Not only is the SDE (the distance between the pixels) much more noticeable on the 5k Super then the Index (even though both have similar amounts of detail I'd say), but also the screen calibration and chromatic aberration were all over the place.
The contrast felt like it was pumped to max (so darker colors were way too dark and brighter colors were hard to discern), the image looked very reddish out of the box and the screen brightness wasn't stellar either. Even at 100% the screen felt more close to the Index at maybe 60% brightness. Some of these aspects (the reddish-ness and the contrast to some degree) I was able to somewhat fix, but like with many things: Garbage in -> Garbage out.
To get back to my other problems that are definitely applicable to other PiMax headsets as well:

• There is almost 0 space for glasses. Either you have glasses that disappear in your skull or they will stick to the lenses
• The headstrap held the headset less stable on my head then the rubber bands of the OG Vive, yet simultaneously was less comfortable then that
• The foam on the back was pulling on my hair every time I put on and off the headset
• The foam on the front is rather thin, scratchy and hard. Kinda like the OG Quest facial interface, except maybe a little softer?
• Fitting my own headphones over the headstrap was very tough as those speaker nubbins were in the way. And even with them fitted, there was this weird high-pitched squeaking noise in my left ear cup. Probably some interference from the HMD cable going nearby or the headphone jack having a garbage AMP. The Squeaking is best described as "Styrofoam squeaking but higher pitched"

And this is without mentioning my issues with PiTool not applying settings at times, not detecting the headset while anything else VR related was plugged in (like my Index), not giving helpful instruction as to what the issue could be etc. Most of the 3h that I had this thing out of the box was just getting PiTool to actually freakin' work...
Oh! And I also agree with him on the cable length. Even my CV1 cable felt longer then the one included with the PiMax

[flat pawn]

no room for glasses kinda sucks

but I could get Rx lenses for pimax at least

[haughty thistle]

Afaik there are no lens inserts available for Pimax headsets

[flat pawn]

how long ago was this?

oh really?

[haughty thistle]

PiMax announced lens inserts as one of their stretch goals on their Kickstarter years back, but there are no where to be found on their website

[haughty thistle]

I tested the Pimax earlier this month

You have purchased this article on April 3rd 2021

[flat pawn]

really recent

that's sad, I wanted big fov without downsides

well

without downsides I care about

all those audio issues idc about

I had a mod mic and I'm not upset with headstrap audio

rift s audio I'm fine with

so I figured I wouldn't mind pimax

do others report the reddish/chromatic abberation issues?

brightness?

[haughty thistle]

From what I've heard PiMax HMD displays are all over place, some are better, some are worse. PiMax seems to know this or they wouldn't offer all these display settings in PiTool

But I don't think there would be much variation in regards to brightness.
Also, you have to keep in mind that People like MRTV, VoodoDE and ThrillSeeker all have received their PiMax headsets directly from PiMax, so there is a chance they received cherry-picked units. There's no way to tell ofc unless someone would compare a retail unit directly with a reviewers unit

I might've been able to look over the other faults of the PiMax if it wasn't for the glasses. That alone is an absolute deal braker for me

Other Topic: Facebook did it again, copy a great idea from another developer, block the developers idea from the Quest Store and then publish their own version for free...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z60v-y99NUo

[gilded pilot]

does anyone know the name of the VR game where you parkour across a city to escape a black void. It has a lot of running and jumping and the levels are mainly straight as far as ive seen. Thanks!

[haughty thistle]

I know what you mean, but sadly can't remember the name either...
I've seen it in one of ThrillSeekers videos a while back. I belive it was a Tuesday Newsday...

[gilded pilot]

yea same. I could go back but I dont want to go to far or anything lol

[pastel echo]

When did they block Virtual Desktop from the quest store?

Virtual Desktops' Game streaming just got added to the official quest store version recently even

The article that man uses is even blatantly out of date and wrong

[haughty thistle]

The thing is though... VDs Wireless PCVR capabilities were blocked from the Quest Store for most of it's existence. And the thing he mentions with Liv and YUR are correct. Facebook blocked them from going into the Quest Store and then blatantly copied the idea and called it their own

[pastel echo]

That's fair and fine to say

I just don't like that it's blatantly frame things in such a way that make it seem as if VD is being severely limited intentionally with Air LInks announcement

When in reality alongside Airlinks announcement VD now has official game streaming support and will remain on the store

[haughty thistle]

It's not the first time Facebook has done something similar

[pastel echo]

That's fine but it's not what has happened here

[haughty thistle]

You can't say for certain until the update drops

[pastel echo]

You however are saying it's happened, the guy in video is spreading false information via out of date articles as well

I'm saying what has happened and what the current status is

you and that video are speaking in hypotheticals

[haughty thistle]

In no doubt this is going to reduce sales for VD though.

Why pay 20 bucks for something that I can get for free
is the attitude 95% of regular consumers is. It's called applying statiustics

[pastel echo]

For sure it probably will

I just thinks it's more fair to when discussing something that hasn't happened, don't state predictions as facts

I know I personally wont be using Airlink and will stick with VD because I fucking hate having Oculus software running on my PC

[haughty thistle]

We'll see who's right in a few months from now...

[pastel echo]

Chickenbread you are completely misunderstanding me

you can't be right and I'm wrong in a few months if I'm not disagreeing with you that it can happen

I am telling you right now that you are framing things as already have happened and posting a video which appears to be 2 hours old and yet using articles and information at least 3 weeks old.

[haughty thistle]

That was never my intention. But trust me it's gonna happen...

[pastel echo]

Sure, I don't disagree with you, it is likely. I just don't like the misinformation and presenting predictions as facts or as having already happend.

[haughty thistle]

MRTV has been doing a break as of recent, so I guess that's why he reported a bit late on it. I just saw it in my recommendets and thought I'd share it

[pastel echo]

Well hopefully in time MRTV's processes will be a little more up to date and he will be able to have more accurate information. It will significantly improve the content I'm sure, I enjoyed watching the video otherwise if it had been released 3 weeks ago

[candid bluff]

I think that is stride its on steam

[gilded pilot]

thank you!!

thats it

[bleak night]

i mean, thats the whole thing about alvr

and alvr can outperform vd if tuned right... on a good wifi connection anyway

i wanna run vr on 3dfx hardware

one day...

[pastel echo]

I'm assuming you won't need to tune air link too much

[sullen linden]

Finally, I literally waited 5 months for these after my first set broke

The company doesn't even provide warranty outside the US...

[bleak night]

oh jeez

i use standard ones, planning on modding the trackers to have bigger batteries

[strong bane]

Mod them to have swappable owo

[worthy chasm]

hey guys my wifi is dual broad band and both bands are in the same name how do i know if my quest 2 is connected to it?

[pastel echo]

Check your quest 2?

[haughty thistle]

https://twitter.com/thrilluwu/status/1382814548210647051?s=21

𝙏𝙝𝙧𝙞𝙡𝙡🖤 (@Thrilluwu)

To people that recently bought Virtual Desktop for Quest/Quest 2:

PLEASE DO NOT refund the application because of AirLink. It is extremely useful beyond just PCVR streaming, it’s worth the money AND you’ll be supporting a very solid developer.

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Twitter · Apr 15, 2021, 9:54 PM

[bleak night]

im still salty

[bleak night]

i had vd ages back

it was free then too

all it did back then was just... well.. the use it has besides streaming vr

had settings, games, and the 360 photos and videos thing... thats all.. kinda wanna find an old build from back then, around 2015 iirc

wait so it hasnt changed at all..

yeah.

march 29 2016 is when it moved to steam.

[sullen linden]

can someone explain to me, how does the quest 2 have better tracking than the vive cosmos, when the quest has 4 (from what I can see) tiny cameras, and the cosmos has.. well.. 6 big ones

[drowsy basalt]

software

[sullen linden]

could you elaborate?

[bleak night]

from what i see

the average cosmos experiance seems to be what the quest 2 at its worst is

[sullen linden]

how could htc have fallen so far..

[bleak night]

could be because tracking for the quest 2 is done on the headset

[bleak night]

they sell valves own base stations for $50 higher msrp.

so........... they already kinda sucked once it was brought to light

[sullen linden]

isnt the cosmos also tracking itself?

[bleak night]

yeah, though the cosmos tracks via the pc iirc

whereas the quest 2 tracks by itself

[sullen linden]

ooh

thats weird

[bleak night]

quest 2 being a standalone headset, it makes sense

that and.... htc is kinda..

bad at making good hardware designs sometimes

look at the trackers for one

v1 and v2 trackers have a single spot that has issue tracking

v3... they didnt make it all equal.. and it heavily impacted FOV

if they added ONE MORE... and put them to the sides like the first one

it would have a higher FOV.

[haughty thistle]

There are 2 main issues with the design of the regular Cosmos that makes it's tracking so bad.

1. It uses color cameras instead of (near-)IR cameras. Color cameras have 3x the amount of data to process while also giving a 3x darker image.
2. The physical design of the controller tracking ring. Having a dot pattern is much easier for software to detect then a line pattern. HTC however put form over function here and just had to have a line pattern on the controllers to make them "look cool"

The Vive Cosmos Elite tracks similarly well as other lighthouse tracked HMDs. It might be slightly worse considering all tracking dots are at the far front of the HMD unlike others which have those sensor going much further back on the HMD unit

[bleak night]

oh no.. the cosmos uses the tribal glowsticks

[haughty thistle]

You may call it that, but the technical term is "line pattern"

[bleak night]

it looks so bad

[haughty thistle]

Oh and one last thing that I noticed while looking at some pictures of the controllers: there are no tracking markers inside the ring. Both WMR and Oculus have lights on the inside and outside of the rings to ensure good visibility no matter the angle.
No wonder those controllers track so badly...

[bleak night]

they look like bootleg touch controllers but almost like they actually tried to be different

[haughty thistle]

HTC tried to make something new. But they tried to put form over function, and especially when it comes to tracking, it's something you just can't do.
The reason the Touch V1 and V2 controllers from Oculus were black in color was so they could be transparent to IR-light. It made them look sleek and also allowed for good tracking. I honestly have no idea how Oculus managed to get the Touch V3 tracking ring white while retaining good tracking visibility...

[bleak night]

gonna check that right now

i noticed the quest 2 rings are semi clear

only on the outside?

does seem like its just using a semi-clear plastic

yeah

decided to look at a v2 base station while i was at it

[haughty thistle]

Hmm...
It does look like the plastic is doing quite a bit of refraction. The tracking points are not as sharp as I've seen on some older demos with the CV1...
It really makes one think how smart Facebooks Tracking algorithm must be, that it's able to accurately find the center point of each tracking LED when they are this blurry

[odd plinth]

So i'm going all over walmart's website to find one of these Female display configure display port Mini. And The adapter's don't match.... I keep finding one's for HDMI one's but not display one's. Can some one help me out?

😕

[bleak night]

could be it reduces the brightness til it sees just a dot

[haughty thistle]

Go on Amazon and search for MiniDP to DisplayPort

[haughty thistle]

Then how would it see the room to track the HMD?

[bleak night]

could use the top cameras maybe

dunno, depends how smart/dumb the tracking is

considering the uh.. fact tracking breaks every other update

doesnt surprise me.

[sullen linden]

I'm just throwing money at valve at this point

[bleak night]

lets hope your headset usnt as bad as mine

[sullen linden]

It's my second one lol

[bleak night]

oh fun

2 rmas

both bad

got told too bad so sad

[sullen linden]

I'm actually kinda curious to see if there's any difference with my early model and this current one

[bleak night]

mine did

only from looks though

[sullen linden]

I'll try to remember to tell you if I get the same glare problem as you

[bleak night]

sound on the new one was better

[sullen linden]

Hmm

I know they've supposedly improved the controllers

[bleak night]

rma'd my right cobtroller

grinding stick

[sullen linden]

cough rma'd left controller twice cough

[bleak night]

left uhhhh

litteral nightmare...

[sullen linden]

They really don't like you huh

[bleak night]

camera was tuned to show exactly what it looks like

no camera oddities added.

[sullen linden]

I have like less than half of that

[bleak night]

im told it aint supposed to look like that at all so idunno

by the way..

if you havent got knuckles duster two grips

[sullen linden]

The what now

[bleak night]

finger tracking still works

[sullen linden]

Less sweaty?

[bleak night]

mostly

more area to grip, plus finger guides

so no more tracking errors

its like a rubber, really comfy

the packaging is....

unfortunate.

[sullen linden]

What's wrong with th... oh

[bleak night]

some uh.. overly friendly dragons

[haughty thistle]

Regarding the different looks between newer and older Index Hardware:
It seems like Valve has tweaked the plastic formulation of the peep-holes for the sensors. Because the only difference between my left controller (received in October 2019) and my right controller (recieved in May 2020) is the color of the tracking dots. They seem more visible to the naked eye on the newer controller

[bleak night]

new headset shows that

i have a new right controller, old left

i got mine uhh

feb

and march i got replacements..... within 2 days

first day using it the strap snapped

because i got pissed about the headset glare.

im bipolar so i tend to have severely swaying moods.

pullef it a bit too tight, which tbf.. was not that tight. if i tightened it a few more times it would have snapped anyway

even then it was just beatsaber

oh yeah.. vr stutter. thats what did it for me. sent me over the edge

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, I can't stand having the straps really tightly. It's quite uncomfortable on the hand. And thanks to the anti-slip pads on the strap, the controller will hold surprisingly well, even when it feels like the controller would just fall if I swing my arm too fast...

[bleak night]

oh it wasnt staying tight for me

[haughty thistle]

Huh...

Never had that issue, but then again I never strapped my controllers that tightly ever

[hushed pond]

looks normal to me, i have about the same amount of glare

[bleak night]

huh?

im told that amount of glare aint right

cos it uh.. isnt having any camera effects added, thats pure what it looks like

[hushed pond]

bruh you should have seen my vive lmao

fresnel ring glare were horrible

[bleak night]

yeah. im told its what a vive looks like

[hushed pond]

i have both vive and index

[bleak night]

quest 2 and index here

quest 2 has almost none

[hushed pond]

coming from my vive using the index was a godsent

compared to the vive glare

[bleak night]

coming from quest 2, index was a letsown

a severe letdown

[hushed pond]

i dont know tho it may look worst on your side than it actualy is

id need to check both headset irl

[frank flint]

I mean, the Index does have a wider field of view.

[bleak night]

dunno but, the last pic above is how it looks in my eyes

[frank flint]

I'm sadly running on a Rift S

[bleak night]

just the entire lens glowing

wider fov is nice

.... if i could see

[hushed pond]

my only letdown of the index were the LCD panel with shitty black level compared to the vive OLED

[bleak night]

sound is... ok

quest 2 was better here

[hushed pond]

wtf? index has the best sound across all headset

[frank flint]

True

[bleak night]

its... not impressing me

tried adjusting as much as i could

[hushed pond]

then your expectation are wayy too damn high

[bleak night]

im just comparing it to the quest 2

[hushed pond]

they just go near your ears without touching

[bleak night]

yeah, my head is weirdly shaped

[hushed pond]

that not a excuse

[bleak night]

bebefirs from the q2 audio setup

benefits*

phone keyboard is terrible.

[hushed pond]

theyre not physicly on your ears there no way you cant put them near your ears

[bleak night]

i know

rhey just sound more rich here

[frank flint]

Is this how your head is shaped then since you said your head is shaped weirdly?

It's a joke

[hushed pond]

i tryed a quest 2 from a cousin and the sound were dogshit

[bleak night]

it really depends on head ahape

ear shape mostly

[hushed pond]

[bleak night]

index presses againat the back if my ears

[hushed pond]

anyway im late for work

cya

[frank flint]

See ya

[bleak night]

quite annoying, but ive adjuated so

ciao hun

[frank flint]

You could adjust them more

[bleak night]

besides making custom spacers

dunno

[frank flint]

Never used an Index, but basing the ergonomics and imagining my head in there, it would probably be okay

[bleak night]

still, quest 2 was just a huge surprise to me

everyone says its shit

i quite enjoyed it

[frank flint]

Quest 2 is kinda garbage not gonna lie

Besides the FOV compared to the Quest 1 and Rift S

[bleak night]

played beat saber, noticed a crackling i never noticed before in a song i played

and it was indeed in the song

[frank flint]

What do you mean?

WHICH song?

[bleak night]

in the audio, in midnite blaze

the audio from the ddr stepmap for stepmania, its ripped wrong

[frank flint]

Is that even a real Beat Saber song?

[bleak night]

custom map

[frank flint]

Oh

Then it could of been just that map

[bleak night]

i had to pop in my ddrmax disc, re-ripped the track

and replaced the audio, sounded great

[frank flint]

You had to replace the audio?

[bleak night]

yeah

[frank flint]

For the Quest 2?

[bleak night]

just an ogg file

beat saber

[frank flint]

:/

[bleak night]

map files are all the same on pc or q2

but still, idunno

quest 2 has really good audio, the issue is being able to hear it

for me its bassey, has alot of.. space?

dunno. that and the lens quality is all i can really compliment

besides that.... eeeeh

neither are amazing

both have flaws

... one cost a grand

another cost 3 4ths less

not including the third base station.

valve refuses to help anymore either.

so oh well then.

[haughty thistle]

Oculus Quest Audio is quiet, muddy and just sounds bad... Oh, and the mics pick up any audio from the Quest speakers when you turn them to a reasonable listening volume.
Index no such problems. It might not have as much low end as other solutions, but at least it has a good high end, goes really loud and has an overall good sound signature.
If you think the Quest audio is good, then your also one of those people who likes to crank the "Bass Boost" in an EQ to max imo (the latter just mudding the audio to be nothing but low end)

[pastel echo]

No I just think it's a open air speaker that is exactly what you pay for which is pretty deec. Much rather have that and add my own audio solution when needed then some built in solution that could or could not be crap

[bleak night]

oh i dont, i do slightly boost the bass when i use my sennheisers, due to being open back

for me the differance between the q2 and sennheisers werent too different to keep using the sennheisers for beat saber, only reason i did was for privacy and sound reduction

barely reduced it

[drifting nymph]

would my friend be good with these specs for quest 2 link? i wanna know because ive heard here that it can be pretty cpu intensive.

he has a ryzen 7 3700x and an rx 5700 xt and 16 gb ram

i wanna know because hes interested in getting into vr

[compact flare]

sounds good to me

i might consider a ram upgrade soon, maybe a GPU in a year or two

[bleak night]

from what ive seen, its more or less designed to use multiple in the same room

[opaque fulcrum]

anyone wanna saber?

[drifting nymph]

h u h

[opaque fulcrum]

beatsaber

[drifting nymph]

oh

ye

[opaque fulcrum]

njce7 is room

beattogether room

[drifting nymph]

oh

i dont got that downloaded

[opaque fulcrum]

bq2mq normal serve5s

[drifting nymph]

server notmfound

does like what region your in matter

[opaque fulcrum]

i think I am running an unupdated saber game oops

I'll have to figure that out

[drifting nymph]

oh

[opaque fulcrum]

does gamignhappen in vr here often at all?

[drifting nymph]

idk

i dont see much ofd it

[opaque fulcrum]

sadness

[haughty thistle]

I have tried this with the Quest 1 and a friend before and it worked flawlessly.
Each Quest only saw its own controllers and the tracking was not impacted as far as I could tell...

[thick void]

Not sure if it has been posted previously (I only just came across it), but I have a real need to share it, just thought it was super cool. A young student is designing and engineering VR haptic gloves.
https://youtu.be/nmP8iGaPbeI

[bleak night]

neat

[toxic wasp]

Ive sawn it hehe, works neat but kinda bulky. But hey! Diy.

[thick void]

I am quite keen to see his next iteration, in all reality those servos can be as small as a regular joystick depending on how much design goes in. I wouldn't mind 5 joysticks poking out at my wrist, I suppose they could then also act as the trackers then at that point..

[indigo sequoia]

Hey,

150€ for a used htc vive is a good price ? With base stations, controllers and DAS

I have a wmr hp vr1000 but I can't really get it to fit nicely on my head so....

[haughty thistle]

There are people who would pay 150€ for a DAS alone, so go for it I'd say ^^

[indigo sequoia]

Noice, I bought it

I was searching for a vive headstrap (or a DAS) for my WMR at the start, and yeah when I saw that I thought "it's worth just for the base stations and the DAS"

[scenic ruin]

help

[vocal crown]

Worth getting quest 2 if I have quest 1? Don't need the standalone part that much, I mainly play with the link cable. Just curious if spending 450$ justifies the better display + refresh rate. Never had anything else than quest1, so. I'm just worried that facebook will ditch the headset in 6 months again, just like they did month and a half after I got quest 1 . Other than that, I do not mind the Facebook ecosystem.

[ivory parrot]

Im also thinking about quest 2

I have OG rift and am trying to pick between quest 2 and index

idk about facebook watching me sleep, amazon already does

[pastel echo]

Index if you don't want standalone

[vocal crown]

Im worried about index getting replaced soon, there have been some patent leaks. It's an old headset too. Plus I dont feel like splurging 1.2k on a headset with 2 base stations, its kind of out of my budget

I was deciding between Reverb G2 and Quest 2. Thing being, Reverb G2 has meh tracking and I'm not that keen on the controller design. They seem janky.

Oculus quest 2 is really nice, but I'm worried it's not going to be a significant upgrade from the Quest 1. I'm basically going to be paying 450$ for better refresh rate, better display (but worse FOV) and some accessories like the elite headstrap which improve comfort. Is it worth it though? I don't know. That's why I'm curious if anyone made the switch from Quest 1 to Quest 2.

[ivory parrot]

why index

what advantages does it have

[pastel echo]

Quest 2 way better than Quest 1, but facebook will likely do a headset over year

[vocal crown]

Right, but does the "way" better justify paying 450$? Or would you recommend just holding out? Worried that i'll be disappointed with the new performance 😄

@pastel echo

[pastel echo]

How much do old ones sell for in your area?

@vocal crown

[vocal crown]

I don't really need to sell. Quest 1 will go to my younger brother so that he can bully others online with his demonic screeching probably. Quest 2 costs 399 euros for the 64GB model in my area. A 100 euro markup from the original price.

• Elite strap is 70ish

[pastel echo]

Well see if you're planning on giving it to your brother I see the value as still relevant because you're not paying so much to upgrade as you are gifting yours and getting something else

For 500 I don't know if it's worth having over the quest 1 though

In my case the Quest 1 looks booty, a bit too slow, and gave me a headache

The quest 2 on the other hand looks exactly the level I want at minimum even standalone, works pretty darn good, and doesn't give me a headache

[vocal crown]

Not necessarily, I can just keep on using this one. It's just a what if scenario 😄

[pastel echo]

So I don't regret spending $600 on quest 2 and accessories

I got a 256Gb model

[vocal crown]

One thing about quest 2 is the IPD, as mine is roughly 66

[pastel echo]

I had a full kit Rift that I upgraded from

[vocal crown]

I dont really need that, because apart from beat saber for my dad I only do PCVR via Link. Speaking of which, Airlink looks amazing 😄

[pastel echo]

PCVR Quest 2 way nicer

[vocal crown]

Comfort as well... Damn the quest 1 sucks. My forehead is always sore after 1-2 hours.

Do you have the elite strap / elite battery strap by any chance as well?

[pastel echo]

My friend does, I don't need it, the default is comfortable for me

He says it's pretty epic

[gray reef]

I found the Q2 default strap to be adequate in my limited experience with it. Much better than the default Q1

[vocal crown]

Username checks out, lol

[pastel echo]

Do you have the ability to return the quest 2 if you don't like it Lavenza?

[vocal crown]

Because I'm also in a dilemma where I dunno if I get the base elite strap or the battery strap. The battery makes the setup heavier and I dont really need it (because link charges the headset for me as I play), but I imagine it would provide some nice counter-weight to the heavy front?

[pastel echo]

Don't get the dumb battery strap and I will say why

You can just attatch a battery to the non battery strap

[gray reef]

You caught me! I’m just an oculus bot advertising for their products, no free will 😔

[pastel echo]

But on the battery strap when the battery goes bad it's done the end new strap time, oh you wanna play without it? Too bad it's integrated

[vocal crown]

I'd say more no than yes. It would be a pain, but I assume possible.

[vocal crown]

hehe. Thanks for the response though!

[pastel echo]

Hmmm see the thing with quest 2 and VR in general is on paper you can probably stick with quest 1 yeah

But when you try it for yourself you may understand like me why the quest 1 is no longer an option

Especially if you find the Quest 1 making you uncomfortable

[vocal crown]

Well that is the thing. If you feel like damn, quest 2 is a nice change from q1. I don't mind shilling money. + some VRCover accessories.

In any way I do appreciate the input, been trying to ask for such a long time at this point. So thank you for your time.

Being a quest 2 user yourself, do you find the FOV bad? Ive heard people complain about it

That being said I probably wouldnt even notice as I did not have a headset like valve index / pimax.

[pastel echo]

So like I'll be real with you in menus and stuff it bugs me because my eyes wander and I always get binocular effect too

BUT

As soon as I'm doing anything no issues

[vocal crown]

I mean overall, do you have any downsights with the headset?

[pastel echo]

Hmmmmm

Facebook for sure

[vocal crown]

Yeah well, that apart

I don't mind Zucc mining my data, everyone does it at this point. Privacy is a myth.

[pastel echo]

Uhhh the speakers are a mix to some but I like them being on the strap and open the rift speakers were annoying to me

I mean if you're getting the elite strap no complaints there

[vocal crown]

Would get the elite strap and just put my wireless headphones on top, thats what I do with Q1

[pastel echo]

Fuck man honestly when you're not trying to compare it against me much more expensive headsets I really don't that I haven't already said

I don't like facebooks software not auto connecting to my router just because it doesn't have internet

[vocal crown]

Yeah, that's the thing. Like it's 350 euros. It's not a huge hit. I have 700 saved up, so I was considering this and reverb g2

[pastel echo]

The reverb g2 is booty cheeks

[ivory parrot]

How is the link

like is it just a typec cable

[vocal crown]

But the tracking seems to be a hit and miss for many. Also don't like the design of the controllers. They look janky.

[ivory parrot]

how long can cable be

[pastel echo]

Link is good active USB 3.0 cable with type c end

Length doesn't matter as long as it's active