virtual-reality

[latent jetty]

I got Oculus quest 2 how do I test my WiFi if it can handle PCVR wirelessly

[pastel echo]

It's all on your router top tips
5Ghz router: required
Ethernet to computer: highly advised
Network channel: Try a wifi analyzer app to see what's clear for you
Band/Speed: make sure in your router settings you have your 5Ghz connection on the highest speed/band
Line of sight from quest to router: highly reccomended

Next you just have to buy VD and test it, you get a 2 hour of use / 2 week of ownership return window which is more than enough

[latent jetty]

Hmm I think my router should handle it

I'll give it a shot

I can buy VD on the Oculus companion app or do I have to open the headset and buy it from there?

[haughty thistle]

Whether you buy it on the HMD itself or the Oculus Android/iOS App doesn't matter. It'll be connected to your account and you can then download it from the HMD

As of recent you don't even need to flash the patch through Sidequest anymore so that's also really convenient

[rustic garnet]

With all the headsets using camera tracking recently, (Q2, DecaGear, Vive face tracker) are there any that do visual processing in the headset itself? I imagine pushing six raw camera feeds (in the Deca's case) over a single USB 3 is a bit of a chore

[haughty thistle]

The DecaGear has 4 cameras not 6. Besides that, the HMD actually doesn't process the camer a feeds. Instead they're relatively low res to fit into the USB bandwidth

The only HMD(s) that process the position on-board is the Quest (2), as they are standalone, they have to. All other HMDs afaik send the camera feed over USB and then process the images on the PC itself. it saves on the hardware required for the headset itself

[rustic garnet]

No it has 2 cams for face tracking

4+2

And yeah that was my question, do any of them do that.

I guess only need like, idk, 5 bits color depth to detect features

[harsh niche]

does anybody know why vd performs so much worse than link? I would much rather use vd over link for the wireless and better interface, but my frames are just terrible and it stutters a lot. over link it's perfectly smooth

my pc is wired straight to my modem, and my modem is connected to the main "hub" on my mesh system which is right next to the pc in the room where I play

[haughty thistle]

It could very well be the Mesh system interfering with the connection. Mesh systems do all kinds of funky buisiness when it comes to load balancing the network connections. It's fine for regular internet use, but when it comes to specialised high-speed, low-latency applications like VD, the less complex the network is, the better.

[pastel echo]

Modem not router? what is your connections looking like? The ideal set up would be Quest 2 > (wireless) > Router > (ethernet) > PC

[harsh niche]

I could have it connected to my router but I feel that would add extra latency when playing online games, and the speed could possibly be slower

[pastel echo]

What?

Maybe I am missing something but you're saying you feel an ethernet connection to your router would slow you down?

[harsh niche]

no because it has to pass through the router to the modem when I could just go straight to the modem

my mesh system isn't the best

I feel like they are overheating a lot they always are super hot and they have no vents or cooling or anything

but idk

https://www.amazon.com/eero-Pro-WiFi-System-Pros/dp/B071DWXLYL/ref=asc_df_B071DWXLYL/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309807187084&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17826104480397808402&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031507&hvtargid=pla-569239073491&psc=1
this is the one I got

[umbral garden]

The extra latency for online will be negligible. If you pass directly through the router, it will help with VD as that doesn’t need a modem.

[harsh niche]

ic

I’ll try it but I don’t know if that would change my performance

on vd my network latency is fine it’s just the game latency that’s crazy high for no reason

on the vd overlay it says the game is like 15ms (orange, lagging and stuttering etc)

but in steam it says only like 5

it’s just really weird

[haughty thistle]

Sounds like your PC can't keep up with the games. What specs does your PC have?
Important are CPU, GPU (with VRAM amount), RAM.
Besides that, what render scale are you trying to run the HMD at?

[pastel echo]

Oh yeah keep in mind low in VD= .9 resolution medium is like 1.3 and high is something higher

[rustic garnet]

Why is VR so much harder to run than flatscreen?

Even a og rift or vive is only 500x180 extra pixels

and even then, does it even draw all of those? Feels like there's a lot you could potentially duplicate between the eyes

[haughty thistle]

That's because in VR, every single frame has to be rendered twice. Once for each eye. That's what makes VR so much more intensive to run

There are pieces of software to generate a stereoscopic image from a flat rendered image with a secondary deph map, but you'll be missing extra details that are partially occluded

[rustic garnet]

Still only 500*1080 more pixels than 1080p

So how do other factors than resolution affect it

[haughty thistle]

It really is the different perspective that does a lot in terms of the higher load. You're thinking about flat resolution, I'm talking about the geometry and 3D rendering.
Then there's the different overhead with different HMDs due to the tracking (or in the case of the Quest (2), the image encoding), but this mostly affects the CPU. One last thing that does also affect the GPU is the lens correction and chromatic abberation that has to be rendered on top of the flat rendered images to make it not look all distorted in the headset.

Lastly, in VR framerate is only secondary in importance. It's frametimes that make or break the experience in VR. You can have 120fps, but if the frametimes are all over the place, it'll feel more like 10 if that makes sense

[latent jetty]

I just tried out Virtual Desktop and man is it good. 25ms ping is the highest but one problem I have is the graphics
Its a little lower that what I'd get from Oculus link cable is there a way I can improve the graphics ?
I tried increasing the VR bitrate but it hasn't changed much

[harsh niche]

i7 8700k, rtx 2070 overclocked a lot, 16gb 3000mhz ram

it only lags over vd not on link which is why I'm stumped

link is buttery smooth

[haughty thistle]

Afaik, the answer is unfortunately no. If I remember correctly then the image quality on VD was purposefully sacrificed to make the latency more playable. You can try HEVC and cranking the Bitrate as high as it can get, but matter of the fact is, while Quest Link can go up to 150Mbit/s (on the OG Quest) VD is stuck at 115Mbit/s (at least in the case of the OG Quest). On the Quest 2 the individual values might be different (Quest Link on the Q2 for example can go up to 500Mbit/s although many people report issues at these bitrates)

[pastel echo]

But rate and changing render resolution in steam are your only real ways of doing so right now

[twilit ether]

Hey guys! I would like to get a good VR setup for my PC (i7 8700k, GTX 1080ti, 32gb ram) and my current budget is around $400. Should I save up for something like a valve index? Or can i get something with good graphics and controls in that price range?

[harsh niche]

quest 2

$300

plus a third party link cable and the deluxe headstrap and ur good

[haughty thistle]

If you want the best PCVR experience possible, yeah sure, go for the Index. Otherwise, the Quest 2 is right within your current budget and it does do an ok job at doing PCVR. On a similar system (also 8700k, 1080Ti, 32GB RAM) however I noticed on average half the framerate (or even lower) on my OG Quest compared to my Index, so be aware of that

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/MPH1puSnbvA

[latent jetty]

I see

I'll give it a shot later

[pastel echo]

Valve will do anything with the Half Life IP except continue it

Does anyone know any games that can be played in VR and flatscreen? Not talking about VorpX or whatever the heck I just mean like a game I can play VR when I feel like VR and flatscreen when I'm tired and wanna chill

[haughty thistle]

VRChat and McOsu are the first 2 that come to my mind. Apparently you can also play RecRoom in flat mode too

[rough crypt]

I wish that my laptop was link capable

[rough crypt]

You mean like, Elite Dangerous?

(warning it amazing in VR, even at lower res)

[sullen linden]

Megaton rainfall supports it I think

[rough crypt]

Phasmophobia

[rustic garnet]

DecaGear is supposed to release in Q3 for 450 dollars

It's basically the best parts of the Index and Quest combined

The controller literally looks like they cut up a quest controller and put it on the grip of a index controllers lol

[haughty thistle]

It's not guaranteed for the Deca Gear to actually hit it's price target. Hardly believable actually, considering that the 450$ are apparently close to the BOM.
Adding production, logistics, RnD and ultimately shipping, it's most likely either going to bankrupt the startup behind it, or going to be available in extremely limited quantity (like the OnePlus One did in it's hay day, although it also had massive production defects). Last possibility is that it's just not going to happen for that price. Hidden costs could be a required subscription to use the damn' thing or other types of costs that they aren't disclosing yet.
Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.

[rustic garnet]

Yeah lmao if they can actually hit 450 I'll be very impressed

[rough crypt]

Indeed

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/wiQXIiDcVK4

[ashen gulch]

ahoy hoy folks, i need some advice lol, so i need to upgrade my computer to be able to do pcvr and i was wondering which components i should upgrade and which order would be best to do so lol, my system specs are up on pastebin for yall here https://pastebin.com/Jt8hXvT9

there's the system info from both system settings and from the ssytem information popup in steam, thanks in advance!!!

[chilly imp]

As always, GPU then CPU then Ram, you can get ram first if you can find deal for another 8Gb

From my past experiences, amd driver didn't play so well with Virtual Desktop so I would recommend 1070/1080 or 2060/2070, depending on the price lol

[ashen gulch]

ooh ok, perfect, thanks! also that upgrade order guide bit is so handy lmao thanks! i never know which to do lmao

[chilly imp]

Noted that the driver issue was with my 5700xt back in 2020, idk whether they fixed that or not.
580Gb 8Gb can still handle light VR game (Beat saber, etc)

[ashen gulch]

oh right

[rustic vector]

i have an RX580 8GB

it drives my vive perfectly

but thats at a much lower resolution than the quest or quest 2

don't expect to be able to run anything with a 580 more intensive then beatsaber or like, superhot

given the resolution difference

for reference, the quest 2 has 1832x1920 per eye, over 7 million pixels total

vs 2.5 million for my vive (1080x1200 per eye)

[haughty lava]

https://scoresaber.com/u/76561198142159328

linus 1v1 me

[haughty thistle]

Well... That's the physical resolution of the Quest 2. But the actually rendered resolution that is sent down the cable or wifi is closer to what the Index or Rift S would render

[rough crypt]

Beat Linus at beat saber? Challenge accepted I am not there yet but I think I can come pretty close already.

[rough crypt]

Scoresaber seems to be in amogus style for the day

[rough crypt]

https://scoresaber.com/u/76561198320010730
I once was #280 of my country but then my only VR capable laptop broke down, then they released the scoresaber mod again for the quest. But they disabled the score submissions recently and am now waiting for the next BMBF update.

[indigo sequoia]

Thx for the information

[rustic vector]

Except no

That used to be the case when the quest 2 just came out

When using oculus link now everything is rendered a native resolution

[haughty thistle]

It still isn't?

If you take a look into the Oculus Application and look at what the 1x Renderscale is (aka what it encodes and sens over the cable) it's about 1600xSomething, it's actually lower then what the Index renders, as you also have to factor in a % overhead for lens correction and whatnot

If you actually believe they somehow managed to fit as much data as a DP1.4 cable can carry over a big standard USB 3.0 cable then you are poorly mistaken

[teal star]

No but we did for a USB 4.0 CC3G3 Type C Cable

Now when is it going to actually appear in something Hmm

[haughty thistle]

The thing with USB is that it can have some nice high speeds, but you have to also keep in mind that it works on a fundamentally different basis. Unlike a Video connection like DP which is meant to transfer all this data with as little latency as possible, USB is not meant for low-latency applications.
Besides that, the Quest 2 only supports USB 3.0 speeds max. So a software update won't help anyways...

[sullen linden]

Virtual Desktop is the way to go!

[haughty thistle]

Even more latency, yaay!

[sullen linden]

I don't experience much at all latency, in fact I can't even feel it. Prob. bc I have an access point in my room. I get an amazing experience using Virtual Desktop than USB with extremely low latency, and it's wireless! I don't see any buffering either. Correction: Wireless Access Points + Virtual Desktop is godly.

[haughty thistle]

One can achieve a lot with standard Wifi and USB. But a connector can only be really good at one thing, decent at a bunch of things and only mediocre at all things.
I'm a rather latency sensitive person, and with my overkill 5GHz Router setup, the latency on VD is barely acceptable. It all just feels so jello-y and unprecise

[sullen linden]

OOF! I get an exceptional experience with godly internet and VD, so I couldn't relate.

[haughty thistle]

It might be good enough for most people, but never good enough for all

[sullen linden]

It's flawless for me! I would never go cabled again bc of how wonderful it performs with no buffering.

[haughty thistle]

The onyl Wireless Solution I've tried that was good enough for me to actually be useable is the Vive Wireless Adapter, but it's software kinda sucks and likes to crash every so often :/

[sullen linden]

Have you connected your PC to Ethernet? That would help than PC connected over Wi-Fi.

[haughty thistle]

But at least it's basically as if the headset is plugged into the PC directly with DP

[haughty thistle]

Bruh. I tried even connecting my PC up directly to the Router (and not just to the switch between it and the Router) and it didn't help

[sullen linden]

Hmmm idk then! Sorry.

[haughty thistle]

I tried it with a Fritzbox 7490 (the last-gen Top-End router from AVM). There's no way it's because of the Network

[sullen linden]

Oof I hope it gets resolved for you soon~

[haughty thistle]

I hope the Vive Wireless Adapter get's fixed soon. 'cause the compression on the OG Quest makes it look almost worse then the CV1 in terms of image clarity

[young marten]

Your status though...

[sullen linden]

Darn it!! I'll remove it~ lol

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/CEB85Lx-Wxc

[pastel echo]

I missed out on the beat saber talk

Is it a brag to say I was once 3rd in the world for Hard on crab rave?

[vagrant ledge]

probably gets asked quite often, but is there any little things that tend to be forgotten when setting up a VR space?

i wanna make sure i have everything ready

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VQZYN3M/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AN3HMS2D505PT

i was told this are worth getting

[chilly imp]

Depend on your VR play space, if you have a large play area, move and turn around alot then it a recommended buy

[vagrant ledge]

yeah i have a 9' x 9' space for VR

ended up ordering a couple different things

[rustic garnet]

If you have a set with external tracking, get some wall mounts

Are you doing it in a dedicated room?

[vagrant ledge]

ended up ordering these

i think the index lighthouses come with mounts

[faint gull]

i'm ordering gun mods for my VR

so i can play pavlov better

[pastel echo]

I really want the magnetic ones

[long granite]

anyone know how much a valve index vr kit costs in Canada after tax etc?

[pastel echo]

At minimum $5

[ashen grove]

is a Ryzen 7 2700x or a Ryzen 5 3600 better for VR?

[gray reef]

3600. I’d go with 8 cores personally, but for just gaming, the 3600 is faster

[haughty thistle]

It really depends on what headset you wanna go for. The Quest for example, due to the video encoding happening on the CPU, one with a bit more cores might be advisable (i.e. the 2700X), but for all other headsets the faster clocks of the 3600 should be beneficial @ashen grove

[tawny narwhal]

Is upgrading from a i5 8400 to i7 8700k for VR worth it?

[haughty thistle]

If you have a good enough cooler and plan on overclocking it, probably

The additional threads would in no doubt help in regards to the tracking and whatnot

[hushed pond]

1152$ for headset+controllers.
Idk about full kit

[harsh sky]

well in the us its 1000 usd for the full kit

so convert that to cad

[sullen linden]

can you really watch 😳 on your vr headset?

asking for a friend

[haughty thistle]

I've got no experience with 🍆 and VR, but from what I've heard, that is a possibilitiy

[cinder merlin]

quick google search would answer your question

[sullen linden]

oh shit just found furry 🍆 game with one google search

[pastel echo]

Install the Firefox browser

Good for all kinds of content but 😈 works too

[sullen linden]

if you want to know the name of the game i can dm it to you

[sullen linden]

nice ama try that

[alpine prairie]

Quest 2 vs Quest purely for racing games

Assetto corsa, American truck simulator stuff like that

I can grab a quest 2nd hand for about 100-150 Canadian

But the quest 2 is about 380 retail here

[gray reef]

Imo, if you’re going the oculus route, the resolution of the Q2 is worth the extra money. Plus it’s way lighter, and, while this will vary from person to person, I found the stock Q2 strap to be much more comfortable than the Q1

[bleak night]

anyone know why id be getting constant frame drops every 5 seconds?

[haughty thistle]

If you haven't updated SteamVR or your GPU drivers, I'd advise trying that before going any further.
If you already did this, then may I know what headset you're on and what hardware you got in your PC?

[bleak night]

i have

im using a valve index, 5800x, 3080 ftw3, both watercooled in a custom loop

64gb ram with synchronized fabric clock

[bleak night]

my roomate has the same issue on her pc, 3600, 3070, 32gb ram

[haughty thistle]

Hmmm...

Do you get these framedrops in all vr games or just one/a few?

[pale orbit]

weren't people complaining about early drivers for the 3000 series as causing stuttering near release?

[bleak night]

in almost all games

steamvr home being one that always shows stuttering no matter what

can active extenders cause any latency? roomate only ever noticed it after we got a third base station

oddly im getting severe stuttering every so often now

steamvr settings arent... too high id say?

[soft hound]

That's about the same settings I run on my Index, and I usually don't have issues, at least, not for extended amounts of time. It might just be an occasional split second spike in frametimes, but that's about it

[bleak night]

odd

on 144 hz, im getting severe motion blur and rubber banding.. dont get whats up ::/

hmm even on 80hz, i still get rubber banding, and what looks like v-sync issues

[void grove]

Is it worth modding the Rift S with the Deluxe Audio Strap? 🤔

[alpine prairie]

Just grabbed my quest 2

320 Canadian it was 80 under retail and it was still sealed

[gentle coral]

Do you have any background applications open that are being rendered (visible chome window, OBS, etc). Those not being minimized can severely affect vr at times (especially as some app updates change how they render stuff, and make GPU divers go a bit wonky for a while tella new update somewhere fixes it. OBS caused similar things for me when in specific recording settings.

Some background apps can also cause issues (the tray items would be ones I definitely check)

[alpine prairie]

I dont need the oculus link cable to play on my PC right?

Can I just use a Type A to Type C?

[bleak night]

nope, chrome was minimised and only had a search open

just updated my nvidia drivers and gpu firmware

il see how performance is after i restart

[bleak night]

as long as its usb 3.0

or ALVR

ALVR uses wifi instead, and can be better than link at times

[gray reef]

USB 2.0 works, it’s just not recommended by a long shot for the Q2. It’s fine for Q1

[thick nest]

Congrats!!

[thick nest]

you could but thats too short

as Sylva said you can use ALVR as a free way to play PCVR

[bleak night]

it does require using software that can install unofficial apps, but thats easy to use

i forget the name

[thick nest]

as long as its long and not a usb 1 cable it should work fine
at 72Hz that is..

[bleak night]

well, usb 1 cables are usb 2 cables

[thick nest]

well i've seen usb c to a cables that dont transfer data

[bleak night]

the only difference is the usb.... i forget the name

that would just be a charging cable then

[thick nest]

yep

[bleak night]

usb 1 is a data transfer type... thing

[thick nest]

so you gotta check the description to make sure it transfers data and is a usb 2 cable or higher

[bleak night]

shouldnt have to, as long as its a data cable its fine

but usb 2 isnt.. great is all

[thick nest]

um i tried older verisons it didnt work

[bleak night]

old versions of..?

[thick nest]

USB

[bleak night]

id imagine thats usb 2

since usb 1, 1.1 and 2 are all on the hardware side, and not the cable o. o

all just 4 wires

[thick nest]

um there technically is but there is no device that supports it

so its usually just made for charging

[bleak night]

what?

[thick nest]

there are usb 1 cables

its just that no devices at the time wanted to use it

thats until usb 2 came to life

[thick nest]

.

[bleak night]

usb 1.0 is just a usb controller version.....

[thick nest]

1.1*

[bleak night]

can you show the "usb 1" cable?

[glass wagon]

USB 1.0 did was a thing before USB 1.1

[thick nest]

"with virtually no USB 1.0 devices making it into the hands of users"

[thick nest]

you can google that if you want to

but anyways usb 1.1 is the one you want to avoid

[glass wagon]

Yes I know USB 1.1 was more successful

[thick nest]

yeah lol

[bleak night]

1996?

[glass wagon]

USB 2.0 was much better because 480mbps is much faster than 12 mbps

[bleak night]

i have a pc from 1997 that has usb 1.0 then

its... litterally the same, used usb 2.0 devices fine

was super slow, but worked fine

[thick nest]

lmao

[bleak night]

its just a controller version

[glass wagon]

There is a speed difference and usb 3.0 had more pins if I remember correctly

[bleak night]

usb 3 did

usb 1, 1.1 and 2.0 did not

[glass wagon]

This is true

[bleak night]

all used 4 pins, in an A housing

[thick nest]

yeah

[bleak night]

and all usb 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0 cables transfer data at the rate of the controller

[thick nest]

usb 3 has tons of pins

compared to usb 2 and 1.1

[bleak night]

usb 1.0 cables are usb 2.0 cables

[thick nest]

wut

[bleak night]

yeah

its just 4 wires...

nothing in the cable at all besides pin to pin wiring

[thick nest]

USB 1.0 specified signaling rates of 1.5 Mbit/s (Low Bandwidth or Low Speed) and 12 Mbit/s (Full Speed)

[bleak night]

thats the controller

not the cable

if both ends support 2.0, the cable does not matter

[thick nest]

if the controller only supports those speeds then there has to be a cable that has those same speeds

[bleak night]

1, 1.1, and 2.0 cables have no differance

at all

[thick nest]

usb 2 probably came after that came out

sooo

[thick nest]

yeah

that proves my point

[bleak night]

what?

[thick nest]

im not saying that they are different im just saying that they DO exist

[bleak night]

but the cables are the same

[thick nest]

ok

[bleak night]

thats all ive been saying

[thick nest]

wow

so

we

[bleak night]

so you do not have to check

[thick nest]

just wasted 10 mins

[bleak night]

my brain hurts so much

[thick nest]

im in class

[glass wagon]

So you agree good 

[thick nest]

yep

[bleak night]

whats with the object boxes i keep seeing

[glass wagon]

Object box’s ?

[thick nest]

probably an external emoji

[bleak night]

\

[glass wagon]

Oh that’s my fucking phone I don’t know why it does that

[bleak night]

huh..

[thick nest]

can you send a picture of the emoji

[bleak night]

im trying to find the usb predecessor

[glass wagon]

The iPhone keyboard is fucked and apple hasn’t fixed it

[bleak night]

this thing

[glass wagon]

I am going to see if this fixes it

[glass wagon]

What is that

[bleak night]

the forte VFX1

[glass wagon]

Oh ok

[glass wagon]

You mean the parallel port or RS 232 serial port

[bleak night]

the left plug

its a special plug

i gotta find what it was called

access bus...?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACCESS.bus

[glass wagon]

I don't Recognize that connector

[bleak night]

A.B

[glass wagon]

Ok interesting

[bleak night]

huh.. i squared c

I²C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzJ-P2lcKaY

damn...

vr on ms-dos

[haughty thistle]

About your stuttering issue:
Although I don't think it should be a problem with a 3080, maybe check your VRAM usage and see where that falls in.
Each monitor that is plugged in will always draw a bit of VRAM (for the framebuffer), so if it is like in the 80-100% range, maybe unplug a monitor or reduce the render resolution and see if that helps

[bleak night]

only using one 1080p monitor

il check vram usage later

iirc it used 7gb last time i checked..

but around that time it was smooth

and i think i was using a quest 2...

[haughty thistle]

If nothing else works, one thing to try out is uninstalling the driver with DDU and then re-installing the newest driver

[bleak night]

i just did that too

[haughty thistle]

Oh?

[bleak night]

yeah, i used ddu to purge it all before trying last time

[haughty thistle]

Huh...

[bleak night]

flashed the latest evga XOC vbios too

checked updates and everything

running off an nvme drive too, seperate fron the OS nvme

[haughty thistle]

You said that your roommate didn't notice it before you added a third base station. Maybe try running without that one and see if that improves things. Tracking generally shouldn't affect game performance, but it's a thing to try ('cause maybe one of the lighthouses is not properly syncing or something)

[bleak night]

hmm.. i do have the base stations on different channels since then

12 14 and 16 iirc

skipping a channel each to account for crosstalk

il try tomorrow

[haughty thistle]

The channels just mean as what ID lighthouse they identify to each other. There are up to 16 channels aka up to 16 lighthouses per tracked area. So the channels shouldn't affect things, but it's a thing to try

[bleak night]

hmm.. could go back to 1, 2, 3 and see

[haughty thistle]

Usually one lighthouse should always show up with "Channel 1" as that's the root lighthouse marking one corner of your playspace

[bleak night]

there is an active extender inline

[haughty thistle]

It shouldn't affect things, but just another thing to try if that improves things

[bleak night]

oh thats the old 2 lighthouse setup too

il check more tomorrow and see whats up.

[pastel echo]

@bleak night how did you secure to pop corn ceilings?

[bleak night]

drilling holes and using pop anchors

[pastel echo]

Ah I didn't consider that because my condo is dumb and has the heating systems in the ceiling

Thank you though for the answer

[bleak night]

np

i should sleep

[crisp nymph]

replacement arrived~

[pastel echo]

Hecka yeag

[thick nest]

Ayeeee

[rustic garnet]

Is the HP Reverb in your budget?

[slim thorn]

ordering an index with csgo skin money soon to upgrade from my Q2

[pastel echo]

Do people still do CSGO skins seriously? Last time I kept up is when I dumped all my nerf AWPs in 2017

[cursive fog]

Does skinning it not degrade the sensors ability to see the light the lighthouses pump out?

[pastel echo]

He sold CS:GO skins to help afford the cost of the Index

[cursive fog]

ooohhhhhhhh, i'm a derp 😅

[pastel echo]

Oh wait

does that mean I can buy an index with Steam Wallet funds?

[sullen linden]

i believe so

[pastel echo]

My TF2 inventory is looking very quirky all of a sudden

[rustic garnet]

Haha lol

[hushed pond]

yes you can use steam wallet fund but you may have to contact steam support to be able to

steam support need to flag your account as able to use steam funds for hardware purchases

[thick nest]

WUT

thats a tech tip

[pastel echo]

Wait a minute

that means I can use CS:GO gambling to buy an index

but also I can use normal gambling to buy an index

hmmmmm

[thick nest]

lmao

we need somebody to make a video about this

[pastel echo]

HEY GUYS WELCOME BACK TO $1 to 1 Index. This is part 54 and yes last episode i did lose my 888 dollars by betting it all on 0 in roulette but we are gonna get it back boys no worries

[thick nest]

lol

[young marten]

[bleak night]

yoooo ballisticng is getting a switch port... and a new dlc pack

yoo sweeeeeeeet

[merry walrus]

Quick question. Looking to get a VR by end of the month, Rfit S or Quest?

I'm gonna be playing mostly games like Beat Saber, Minecraft VR, VRChat with friends etc.

I don't like wireless very much (I know, I'm stupid) so having to charge a VR headset seems annoying for me. But if i were to get one, is the battery life good? Also is using it linked to the PC via a cable reliable?

My PC is budget (Ryzen 5 3600, AMD 570) so would the Rift S or Quest even be capable of running on my PC? SteamVR Test says it was capable, but I'm not sure how accurate it is.

[pastel echo]

Link is reliable but requires a little adjusting to be ideal

Battery life is fine

Quest 2 is in theory the better option but the rift s is a good buy if it has benefits you are seeking

[merry walrus]

They'll cost around the same price for the most part

Honestly might go for the Quest 2 but the Rift S seems more for what I'm looking for (no battery life, wired only (don't care for wireless play), PCVR only gaming.

I'll dig more into it and decide

[bleak night]

oh yeah.. i need to test that

headset is stationary so its not causing stutter

seems a tad more stable now oddly

hmm.. maybe that fixed it? on 144hz and i dont seem to be getting stuttering anymore

il have to try FBT stuff on vrchat later to figure it out

[manic lion]

Almost ready to upload to vrchat

Just gotta add some more stuff

[soft hound]

That's...a lot of pink, my my

[bleak night]

wish i could make models

[harsh niche]

your gpu isn't the best so the rift s would probably be better

[bleak night]

eh.. quest 2 is probably better

since its also standalone.

and if you canr run pcvr too well, you can fall back to standalone vr

used a quest 2 myself.. and if your gpu isnt the best anyway..

not much of a differance.

link already is really crap for quality on quest 2 so i mean

so tbh. if your gonna get a headset, both are about the same.. one just can be used on its own

[flat pawn]

@merry walrus personally I really like my rift s

I only do pcvr, wire doesn't bother me

It's more comfortable

Smaller fov, comparable clarity

[haughty thistle]

Since Jayden has a decent CPU, I don't think there's going to be much of a difference in most games when it comes to performance. But I did find that the Quest is more heavy on the CPU. So in CPU heavy games like Boneworks or VRchat, the smaller load that the Rift S puts on the CPU will be beneficial, even with a powerful 6 core like the R5 3600 or in my case the i7 8700K

[harsh niche]

8700k gang

[pastel echo]

i7-10875h gaang 🥸

[bleak night]

could benefit from optometrist

a wip tool that fixes the oculus software

[haughty thistle]

The main problem is that for the Quest to be able to run PCVR, the frames have to be compressed and then sent over USB to the headset. The compression of the image is what makes Quest Link as well as VD so CPU hungry

[flat pawn]

I'm sorry what

fixes oculus software?

[manic lion]

@soft hound it's galaxy texture on panosphere

@bleak night it's easy to learn, I can probably find someone to help you

[soft hound]

Ah, panospheres on avatars, interesting

[manic lion]

I promised myself I wouldn't buy alot of rgb or stuff for aesthetics, but I kinda want to get that screen that goes on the front of my inded

Index

And have it say my name

[pastel echo]

Bro

No one will see it

Don't do it to yourself

Or start streaming

The do it to em

[manic lion]

Ooooo yasss

Gamer Girl Harley streaming adventures

Idk 😂

I only play vr unless my Bf wants me to play some pc game with him

[pastel echo]

@manic lion You should look into some Asymetric vr games. It's a real interesting way to combine VR and flat screen for multiple people

Keep Talking and Nobody explodes is an example

[manic lion]

Ah

I kinda was thinking of doing minecraft with my bf

Since I can play windows 10 version in vr

[pastel echo]

Also a sicko mode option

[blazing dock]

anyone have a medium pre built cheaper pc that can run oculus rift

[sullen linden]

I can strongly recommend phasmophobia if you're looking for multiplayer games playable in desktop and vr

[pastel echo]

The game is meh doe

After 4 rounds it's not scary even in VR and feels very eeeeeh, dunking the basketball in VR is fun doe

Also more tools because hands so playing in VR offers actual advantages

[sullen linden]

Idk I was still kinda scared after 50h of playing but everyone is different

[cursive breach]

I just bought an index and have never used vr before, any recommended software I should get before it arrives?

[bleak night]

had someone offer to make an avatar for me, their pc died.

[sullen linden]

SteamVR, OVR Advanced settings and maybe OVR Toolkit or XS Overlay

[pastel echo]

Maybe the scary just wore off for me because me and my friends will jump in and be "BLOODY MARY WHERE YOU AT HOE" and just yell trying to get the ghost mad

I think it'd be scarier if we all agreed not to use the radio

[thick nest]

you should get deez

[pastel echo]

Agreed, even with a quest 2 it still works good with VD

[thick nest]

yep

[tawny narwhal]

i heard someone say that the RTX 30 series was stuttering in VR, is that true?

[harsh niche]

no

just some people

random driver or software conflicts :(

[haughty thistle]

I can confirm. The early 30-Series drivers might have had issues, but those were defo fixed in November, as I never really experienced them when I got mine...

[worn tulip]

that's good to hear. After being without a PC for several months I was finally able to buy a pre-built one (damn scalpers) but haven't had a chance to setup my VR again yet

[latent jetty]

Can a 1660 super

Do Oculus link or virtual desktop?

[haughty thistle]

If you're willing to lower the render resolution and/or graphics settings, then yeah. The 1660 Super isn't really VR capable, but with some tweaks here and there, it should be usable

[green crypt]

the 1660 supper is vr capable tho it's just a 1070 with 2gb less vram tbh

[manic lion]

almost done with my new vrchat avatar

[sullen linden]

Are those springjoints on your hands?

Oh they are, I should probably look a bit closer first before asking...

[thick nest]

it is

i can confirm

i can play on my quest 2's full res in vrchat beat saber gorrila tag rec room and my own games

my fps is super smooth

and you can easily run apps in the background using the gpu like rendering

i rendered a super heavy scene in premiere pro while in vr and it was still super smooth

[thick nest]

and half the price for retail

if you are wondering about my other pc specs they are:
cpu: Amd Ryzen 5 2600
ram : 8x2Gb kit at 3000mhz
and i store my games on a hard drive

[bleak night]

oh, i suggest fpsvr

i used it in one of my screenshots, doesnt cause steamvr stutter

[flat pawn]

@manic lion that has so many colliders, are they necessary? performance is going to hurt

[haughty thistle]

I'd guess the complexity of the hair makes the amount of dynamic bones in that case...
On my avatar the main thing that makes the dynamic bone count skyrocket above the limiter are the tail and the fact that I have "floppy ears" (basically achieved by using multiple scripts with varying gravities for each bone in each ear)

[flat pawn]

you only have colliders in your hands and head though it seems

so you can bat your ears and hair around if you want

and have your hair not clip through your brain

[haughty thistle]

I don't know the reason why Harley has colliders in the legs, but having the colliders higher up in the arms is kinda required if your avatar has long hair and you don't want the hair clipping through the arms. based on the pic, it looks like Harley is using cylindrical colliders ie. only 2-3 colliders per arm, rather then (how it may look at first) 5-6 colliders

But you're right, in my case it's just to play with the tail and ears, and the head collider is only there to prevent the hair from going into my face. The great thing about colliders is that you can program them to only work on certain dynamic bone scripts for better performance. That's why you'll never be able to interact with the dynamic bones of others, as each dynamic bone script is set up to only work with the colliders on the respective avatar

[flat pawn]

tell that to people with modded clients

[haughty thistle]

Those modded clients reconfigure dynamic bone scripts on-the-fly. Aka, they locally modify avatars that they have no rights of modifying in the first place...

[rough crypt]

I always wonder HOW people make such nice things

when realising that I myself need an hour to just draw a crude house and tree (and maybe a rollercoaster )

[haughty thistle]

Everything that I used for my avatar were some freely available prefabs and the circle selection tool in Photoshop

[manic lion]

@flat pawn performance doesn't hurt for me

Plus I have toggles for the hair, so I have different styles, Outfit can change, outfit can come off, wings are on a toggle, there's alot of stuff added

And I still get good performance. I use a index with a i7 9700k and a 2060 oc pro

[haughty thistle]

Well... maybe for your...
The thing is, all of that stuff will be calculated for others as well and it will hurt performance for people with lower end systems. There's a reason why the guys behind VRC keep saying "optimise your $hizz"

[pastel echo]

How to be a menace to society: unoptimize your $hizz

Join low end lobbies

[lone sapphire]

Is the valve worth it.

I really like the controllers

The oculus rift gave ms a seizure cause the quality was so bad

[pastel echo]

This one no

This one yes

The valve index is sounding like something you are definitely going to have to try for yourself if you have an issue with seizures

[soft hound]

Mine's not that much better either

[flat pawn]

it's such a big pain in the ass to make hair look decent in vrchat

solution: have short hair

[soft hound]

Yeah, I have that on some of my models, but this one looked much nicer with longer hair

Doesn't help that there's a million different toggles, some of which also need dynamic bones to look reasonable

[flat pawn]

ooh nice

dark theme for unity

I don't see many people with it

I need to try virtuallens

[haughty thistle]

According to the VRC documentation, there is something in Unity to make cloth more dynamic. Dunno how it works tho...

[soft hound]

The cloth component?

[haughty thistle]

Prolly

[soft hound]

It's really not optimized. It uses per-vertice transformation. So if you have even 3000+ tris on a clothing component, it ends up getting choppier. Though it works really great for skirts, just not everything. Not to mention it is a huge pain to setup

[haughty thistle]

On another note: We SDK3 Boys!

[soft hound]

What is this "Body Wiggle"? All body dynamic bones or something?

[haughty thistle]

Yup

[soft hound]

Beautiful

[haughty thistle]

Exactly that

I also have a public variant of this avatar, but I removed some of the things, like the hand objects and the glasses. Also made it Quest compatible today, man that was a pain...

[soft hound]

Yeah, I had to get mine to be a Quest fallback avatar, which meant it had to be under 10K Tris

I did get it there though, without looking too bad

[haughty thistle]

Mine is stretching all the limits available for Quest Avatars to still show up by default: 20k Polys and 4 Material Slots (3 for my private one as the public one has a credit thingy on)
Might play around with material atlassing tomorrow. I was too lazy to do that today xD

[soft hound]

Fair enough

[haughty thistle]

Oh, and due to the bone count, it would never qualify for a fallback anyways. For that it'd need to rank in as Good or Excellent, but >75 bones will automatically count as Medium

[soft hound]

They bumped it up. It's 10K tris, 90 bones, 1 material slot

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, just saw that too

Mine has 93, thanks to some bones from the hair that I didn't remove...

Prolly should remove those too...

[soft hound]

So close, yet so far

Yeah, just merge and forget about them

Since dynamic bones are a no-go on Quest

[haughty thistle]

Removing those Bones wouldn't affect anything with the Avatar anyways, so might as well remove them for slightly better performance. But I'm going to leave the Poly count at 20k, as it still looks decent, yet works on the quest... (some blendshapes didn't quite survive the decimation tho)

[soft hound]

Oh dear

[haughty thistle]

Those eyes are supposed to be round

[soft hound]

Did you decimate in Edit mode, through Clean Up, or through CATS?

[haughty thistle]

Through Cats. I used the Smart Decimation to preserve all blendshapes

[soft hound]

Yeah, I'd say to pull the eyes off of the original one, decimate them a little bit, then replace the ones on that one with those ones. That way you'd look a little more....normal

[haughty thistle]

The problem is, I'm a total noob at Blender. I just barely managed to get the hair merged to the avatar. You think I'd know how to pull something like that off?

[soft hound]

It's not hard, just a matter of separating the eye mesh, deleting everything else, then fully weightpainting them onto the low poly version. I can show you if need be, I've done it plenty of times

[haughty thistle]

The thing is... The Rantichi has 2 sets of eyes. One controlled by the eye bones and the second set controlled by blendshapes. These are the ones controlled by the blendshapes (in this case derp eyes). If I have the derp-eye blendshape turned off, then they do look normal

So I don't think it's just a matter of plopping them on and weight painting them...

[soft hound]

Right right

But when you transfer meshes in Blender, and merge them together, it also merges blend shapes, so they should still work (in theory)

[haughty thistle]

Might look into this later. For now, I'll juts gonna go to sleep

[soft hound]

Alrighty, nighty night

[haughty thistle]

Thanks for the pointer tho

[soft hound]

[haughty thistle]

[pastel echo]

VR chat people are weird change my mind

[soft hound]

I can't, since I completely agree

[lone sapphire]

Nothing wrong with being weird

Normal is boring

[pastel echo]

I never said there was

[alpine prairie]

I need some help with my quest 2

I recently bought to do some VR Assetto Corsa

I bought the insignia cable also from bestbuy that is rated for 5gbps

I tried it with the usb type c port directly on my mobo (b450 tomahawk max)

and i got a usb 3 connection but it was only around 850mbps

I bought a Type A to Type C adapter that is rated for 5gbps and the speed didnt change

even with a type c to type c adapter that is rated for 10gbps it didnt change

would I need to buy the pcie usb in order to actually get a playable connection?

usb expansion card^

disregard everything i just said ^ still new to vr and very stupid apparently. the specific port i was using was the one of 2 ports that does not support 10gbps

[rare saddle]

could a 1650s do vr gaming?

[past trout]

Probably not

[rare saddle]

ok

[harsh niche]

it can but not very well

you would have to turn down the resolution a bit

[umbral garden]

Finally gonna have a complete Facebook disciple VR setup this week

I’m going to buy the elite strap

[gusty frost]

Good luck.

https://youtu.be/xeodkZGzQG8 @umbral garden

[umbral garden]

I know.

They say they’ve fixed the problems and are giving two years guarantee so I trust it

[thorny ferry]

There's still stories of breaks occasionally

But thats the vocal minority

With the extra warranty garuntee I'd say its worth it

Myself, my dad, and my stepmom, have all been using elite straps for a while now with no issues

[sullen linden]

I'm trying to resist the urge to buy a second index

[thorny ferry]

Index is just shy of 2 years old

Index has the refresh rate and fov but is starting to get spanked by the competition in the resolution department.

Gaben called wireless vr a "solved issue" in an interview years ago

I would hold out for an index replacement announcement soon

[crude wind]

I heard some news of samsung making like a 1000 or 10,000 dpi screen for vr

Now a headset with that would be very cash money

[pale orbit]

and we have those new valve patents for an index 2

[visual mesa]

Index 2 is either gonna be wireless PCVR with a long ass battery life, or itll integrate BCI like rumors are sayin.

[sullen linden]

I might just buy another one since it would be nice to have 4 base stations for better full body tracking and I could have my old index as backup

[bleak night]

id suggest the halo strap tbh

[umbral garden]

“The” halo strap?

[bleak night]

goquestvr

they produced the first ones

then tons of clones appeareed

[pastel echo]

What if index 2 is a wired Bci solution with a wireless non BCI option

We already know how they feel about modules with the index 1 having the front port for it

So maybe index 2 will kick that up

[pale orbit]

or both, if they made a standalone headset that they bothered to give you both a proper usb and displayport plug in location so you can straight up do proper pcvr

[bleak night]

im getting the the galea once it launches

im going to be developing a uh

i guess pet project?

which even by it existing helps paralyzed/people who have lost their arms being able to play vr

since the whole idea is being able to use the second set of arms i feel as phantom limbs, in vr

[manic lion]

@haughty thistle good thing I don't go public lobbies and all my friends have nice computers

[bleak night]

weird.. ours isnt too bad

the pads on it are extremely soft too, extremely cushy

and holds on pretty well

i have long hair but ita fairly thin..

huh...

front looks a tad different

compared to the vrcover we have, its extremely cushy

almost like a softer memory foam

yeah, we waited ages

since ours was a preorder

and there was a huge queue

maybe

only issue here

i have long hair XD

so it likes to slip a bit

but does try its best to hold on

a bit similar to the index backing i suppose o. o

yeah.. goquestvr had an announcement on their site warning about knickoffs

knockoffs*

i need to see about trying to setup the quest for ALVR

so i can use it over wifi instead.

link isnt too great for some reason

[cursive turret]

What vr should I get? I am thinking of getting a quest 2 because i have a strong pc and the extra portability is nice? Unless there is a better suggestion?

[bleak night]

q2 is decent if you dont mind facebook as a requirement

[haughty thistle]

Soo... I received my PiMax 5k Super today and after playing around with it for maybe 2h (more then half of that was just trying to get the damn' thing to work at all), I packaged it up to send it back. Comfort shitty, cable way too short, PiTool is barely functional and the killing thing for me is that even with my glasses pressed all the way to my face, they still sit up against the lenses.
The FOV is definitely something VR companies should be focusing on more rather then increasing the resolution more and more, but it also showed me that 120/144Hz is the sweet spot for VR refreshrate. The 180Hz on the PiMax is visually almost identical to the 144Hz on the Index. I didn't really see a difference.

As much as I love the wide FOV of the 5k Super, I just can't recommend it :/

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/SNgQEwx-VDo

[distant spade]

Anyone here have a cv1? looking for a cheap way to mount the oculus sensors to the wall. i was looking at something on amazon but the reviews suggest that its poor quality, even for its price. can link it if wanted, dont wanna spend anymore than probably 30 CAD to mount all 3 sensors. ping me

[pastel echo]

@distant spade just get go pro mounts, 3m sticky pads, and some 3d printed adapters

If you're on the cheap just get the 3m pads and stick the sensors straight to the wall

[sullen linden]

if you want a really good map with noodle extentions in beat saber do this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5drnc-O8tg

[opaque fulcrum]

rip me game crashed

I will get this song though

son is the VR channel usually ded or is it just the time of day/night?

[sullen linden]

hello is here anybody specialiued about virtual box ? iam about to install Kali linux and my problem is

[gentle coral]

I'm happy to hear that somebody in this group is going to get Galea for a purpose like this. If you want to get started on your project early, almost everything you need software side is already available to develop with (brainflow) in Unity and Unreal, and there are many people I know who would be happy to help you or give you pointers if you have any questions (I don't know if you work in the neurotech field or are already part of the community). I recommend joining the NeuroTechX community as there is a lot of info that might help you there (also it is a great way to get more detailed news about Galea, and OpenBCI stuff).

The one thing I can say for certain is that you are on the right track with your idea, and it would be possible to do, and people would want it.

At a NeuroTechX SF virtual hacknight last summer we had a company come talk about their VR physical therapy system that they were expanding to allow for home use, and I think they were just starting a trial on phantom limb therapy. I could probably find the livestream if you are interested.

One thing many in the neurotech community want to see is more VR games for people with physical disabilities, especially if it helped them cope or be able to interact with others in games, not just for treatment.

The one issue with the galea is it will not be cheap (at least not at first). Current estimates would be in the 5k to 12k USD range based of estimated specs, but it could drop to 1k by time of general launch if a few things get finished ahead of schedule.

Valve might or might not launch a new headset with BCI and eye tracking, as the OpenBCI and tobii partnerships allow for both add ons (like Galea, leap motion hand controls, tobii eye tracking), and custom solutions (an Index 2).

[rough crypt]

Do you have the ISO/virtual disk installed? (might want to move this to another channel)

Mention me in #off-topic if you still require help, since thats probably the channel where it's more appropriate (I don't see a software or virtual machine channel)

[sullen linden]

ok its fine i fixed it already

[rough crypt]

👍

[bleak night]

oh yeah, im just a random user, and im likely going to save up for the galea, might use neos to end up starting with it

then get help with making controller/tracker emulators

so almost a fulldive setup except without the spinal scariness and sedation

that works in tandom with your physical movements

id love to see others try and manipulate a second pair of arms like i do

cos ihad the idea of doing beat saber with 4 colors, it seems like quite a fun idea

and considering how much my setup cost so far..

i shouuuld end up being able to get the galea without much hassle, mayve end up partnering with a university or something

[tawny narwhal]

so i saw some LTT video where he used GTX 1060 and i3 8100 to play vr and it was good

i have gtx 1060 i5 8400 is that gonna be better, the same or worse?

[fleet skiff]

it would be better then his but probably not good

[tawny narwhal]

?

but his was good

when i take a steamVR performance test it says ready

[sullen linden]

why kali lmao

[thorny ferry]

Its "technically" capable but you're pushing the limits

Keep in mind VR games have developed and become more complex over time

Also modern headsets have substantially higher resolutions and framerates than older sets

[pastel echo]

If you stick around long enough you'll see it's mostly like 5 of us in different time zones and then other people hop in from time to time.

[gray reef]

The Steam VR performance test is decent enough, but it’s rather dated. I ran it on my potato of a laptop, and it said my r5 2500u is VR ready. That being said, a 8400 will be quite a bit better than a 8100, and a 1060 6GB is adequate for most headsets as long as you don’t expect to be playing HL:A at 4K max settings

[haughty thistle]

1060 =/= 1060
Make sure it's the 6GB variant, as the 3GB variant does not have enough VRAM

[gray reef]

^^^

[thorny ferry]

tfw get vram warnings at 8gb in some games still

[haughty thistle]

VRAM requirements depend on a number of factors. For example, how many monitors at what resolutions you've connected, what render resolution you're running your VR headset at, what resolutions the textures in game and how many are used, etc.
Generally speaking for VR you want at least 4GB of VRAM. For higher resolutions headsets obviously more, but you get the idea. For example on my Reverb G2 at 100% resolution scale, I run at about 55% VRAM usage in most games on my RTX 3090, aka almost 14GB of VRAM. On my Index at 150% resolution it's only about 30% VRAM usage. So VRAM usage doesn't scale linearly and more exponentially

[gentle coral]

The extra arms stuff has been done with robotic arms a few times, but I have not seen anyone of them try having a VR arm. Learning to use a third or forth arm is not easy, and the way current BCI headsets work make it very hard to train the algorithms nessasary to pick out the correct motor function from the different signals.

If you have a university in your area, maybe check if they have a NeuroTechX student club or NeuroTechX chapter, as that is an easy way to get access to their hardware.

I am currently working on a BCI device lending program for NeuroTechX to let people outside of universities and the Neurotech community get access to hardware and knowledge that is usually to expensive for general consumers to buy.

But if you think you can save up for your own galea, go for it. And even if it doesn't fit what you need, BCI device resale value is usually 80% to 90% for about 3 years (depending on how many they actually can make in the first few years).

[toxic wasp]

Uh, if i wanna get into vr for cheap, (around the 200€ lol) what headset should i buy?

(im also in germany if thats important)

(My pc would be fine for vr, already tryed that, tho anyways my system is an Ryzen 5 2600x but without turboboost and an overclocked 1050ti)

[bleak night]

wouldnt have to learn using 4 arms, since i have phantom limb i experience daily

i often try to grab things but end up not moving my arms, very disorienting..

[knotty ocean]

Has anyone seen any reviews/testing of 3080 vs 6800xt with VD on a quest 2 lately? Last I can find on google is back in Nov/Dec, and there have been a bunch of VD/GPU driver updates since then. About to pull the trigger on one or the other after trading in my THICC III 5700xt for $850 to a miner. Particularly curious about latency, so I can think about scaling up the bitrate

[manic lion]

Finished editing and adding stuff, now I'm finally uploading

[gentle coral]

then you would definitely be a good person to develop and test this type of stuff. I think early applications for the Galea Partner program have already been decided.

Also CNET showed some Neuralink stuff today that applies to what we were talking about.

https://youtu.be/2rXrGH52aoM

The second half where the monkey is playing PONG with it's mind is already almost stable on lower end headsets like what the Galea will be. Motor cortex decoding still takes a lot of effort at the moment, but is getting easier by the week.

also virtual limbs in VR is much cheaper then the current gen EEG robotic prosthesis. And will be a good solution until they come down in price and become more accessible to people who need them. Especially as you could use the data from the virtual arm to help with the calibration of the robotic limb. Though there might be an issue where people are fine with letting their virtual arm no-clip through an object, and when they get a robotic arm that might need to be trained out (though if VR BCI headsets soon get stimulation as well, you could lower those chances through reinforcement by stimulation.)

[tawny narwhal]

I have 1060 6gb

[glacial shard]

HI

[pastel echo]

I'll just use my robot arm to punch through walls

[rough crypt]

Ethical pen testing, he's either gonna pen test something, or do a (educational) game like tryhackme or hackthebox.

[manic lion]

My vr stuff so far

And then I have 4 lighthouse 2.0

[sullen linden]

Was there a noticeable improvement in tracking with 4 over 2?

[manic lion]

@sullen linden for me yes

I'm a dancer in vrc

So I move alot and even do hand stands

[sullen linden]

I don't dance but I might get two more then lol

[manic lion]

Ah nice

[sullen linden]

Doing handstands with the index controllers is a pain though since you have to untighten them to put them around your wrists

But like the only reason I want 4 base stations is so that I could cover the area on my bed better since that's usually where I sit when I'm on vrc

And the hip tracker is really easy to cover on accident

[manic lion]

Yeah

I'm either dancing, or laying down with my bf virtually

And we go to a movie world and cuddle

I have phantom touch

[sullen linden]

I've been on the game nearly 4 years and never had phantom touch lmao

[manic lion]

@sullen linden dang

[sullen linden]

I wasn't blessed/cursed depending how you look at it

[haughty thistle]

For 200€, that's tough... Considering the Quest 2 isn't even sold over here (which would be 350€ anyways), you're only left with second hand options.
Getting a 2 camera CV1 at this price in a decent condition might be doable, but will probably take quite a bit of scavenging eBay and eBay-Kleinanzeigen.
What you'd probably want to go for is something like the Lenovo Explorer. It used to be on sale for 200€ at MediaMarkt and thus can be had for quite cheap at times on the second hand market. Other cheap options include the HP VR1000, Medion Erazer VR (this one being identical to the Lenovo one, except for the color scheme), Dell Visor & the Acer Windows Mixed Reality headset

[haughty thistle]

It really depends.
For larger playspace (larger then 5x5m), additional lighthouses can/will result in a noticeable tracking improvement.
For smaller playspaces, the only major benefit you can expect is reduction of blind spots. If you already don't really have any blind spots, there probably won't really be a noticeable benefit. Blind spots can be created by your own body as well btw. This is why for FBT a third or fourth lighthouse can result in a major improvement to tracking

Oh sorry, didn't read the rest of your messages derp
Yeah, if you have issues with your hip tracker getting occluded at times, a third or fourth lighthouse can result in major improvement. You don't have to keep the lighthouse count at a number divisible by two btw. You can just add a third lighthouse to improve the problematic area and call it a day

[umbral garden]

The quest 2 isn’t sold in Germany? That’s weird

[haughty thistle]

Nope. Because of a dispute between the Facebook and the "Bundeskartellamt" (basically the governmental entity trying to prevent monopolies)
Facebook seems to believe that not selling the Quest 2 over here will help them in that court case or something. Most other European stores carrying the Quest 2 won't ship the HMD to german addresses either, which is kinda against EU ruling, but what country even cares about the EU at this point

[umbral garden]

Shill mode activated

[sullen linden]

Yeah I am aware I was just thinking if I buy another index I'd have 4

[rough crypt]

Nice

I am currently waiting till I can uhm, get/build a "new" pc.

After that I might get another headset besides my quest 1, probably a decagear if reviews are good

[sullen linden]

Here's a rough sketch of my apartment. The circles are where I was planning on putting the extra 2 base stations.

[sullen linden]

guys thinking about buying a quest 2, but from amazon its like 450 euros for the 64gb one, is it bad to buy it from the oculus store?

[chilly imp]

Oculus Store is quite nice from my experience

[sullen linden]

hows the facebook thing like?

verybad?

[chilly imp]

You mean the sign in with Facebook thingy?

[sullen linden]

yes

[chilly imp]

If you already using Facebook then it won't make a different, they already know everything about you 🙂

[drowsy basalt]

as I said in tech chat 1,if you don't care about privacy at all and want to let fb intimidate you with ads: yes

[chilly imp]

I sold me Quest for the Vive Pro earlier this year

[sullen linden]

im poor dude i dont have choice

[drowsy basalt]

for example: they will document what you're scared by, if you ever decide to watch the p thing and stuff like that

[drowsy basalt]

same so I didn't buy it

[chilly imp]

Honestly, the Quest 2 is wholesome. Nearly perfect tracking, sharp and 90hz screen and easy to use

[sullen linden]

they know if you watch the po?

[sullen linden]

thats a little bit fucked up

[chilly imp]

The only downside is well, Facebook

[sullen linden]

ikik

[drowsy basalt]

they know everything you do

[chilly imp]

They might join you too

[sullen linden]

but what if im not connected to the internet?

[drowsy basalt]

that's why it's so darn cheap

[sullen linden]

3sum with zuck?

[drowsy basalt]

I guess the data is saved locally then or you have to be connected

[chilly imp]

Goshh I wish there is a Quest competitor, or at least something like a Valve Index but actually available

[drowsy basalt]

the problem with non standalone ones is you have to spend like 2k on a good pc

[sullen linden]

i have a good pc but the pc ones are still 2x the price

[drowsy basalt]

yeah that's also a thing

[sullen linden]

how much is the index?

[drowsy basalt]

1k msrp afaik

[chilly imp]

$1000 MSRP, but we all know how good MSRP on Ebay is

[sullen linden]

there isnt another good vr in that pricepoint, probs why facebook has everybody

[drowsy basalt]

yeah

most people don't care about privacy anymore

[chilly imp]

The Cosmos tried to do the same, but failed

[sullen linden]

i care but to make another 400 i have to wait like 6 months its not worth it

[chilly imp]

I guess just go with the Quest 2, enjoy the experience and wait for another option

[sullen linden]

probably what im gonna do

[drowsy basalt]

yeah that's sadly the only option if you aren't patient enough to wait probably years for a competitor

[sullen linden]

this summer il try working some small jobs maybe for the next winter i'llhave some money

for now quest 2 it is

[chilly imp]

There are only HTC and Valve are the big player, I doubt Valve would make a Quest competitor though

[sullen linden]

oh no its zuck

[gray reef]

Decagear is only $450. It’s not standalone unfortunately, but assuming it’s not a scam, I’m definitely going to be jumping ship and grabbing one. Screw FB

[gray reef]

I’m here to collect your data

[drowsy basalt]

but they want a standalone

[sullen linden]

i cant wait to give fb 4 cameras in my room

[gray reef]

Ah, I didn’t read very far back

[sullen linden]

i dont want a standalone

im ok with both

[chilly imp]

Then go for the HP Reverb G2

[drowsy basalt]

well should've said that earlier

[gray reef]

Meh tracking though :/

[drowsy basalt]

yep it's a good one

[sullen linden]

my problem isnt having the pc, its only about the cost of the vr

[chilly imp]

The tracking is fine, until you go ham on Expert+

[gray reef]

Fair enough, but that’s my favorite thing to do in VR lol

[chilly imp]

I used the G2 for about a week, the tracking is useable and a lot better than the Cosmos

[sullen linden]

if i have 300-400 euros what vr can i buy if not the quest? (it hasnt to be standalone)

[chilly imp]

Rift S or HTC Vive

Both are used option though

[sullen linden]

rift s i saw it pretty bad

[chilly imp]

The G2 is about $600, so your best bet is to wait for a sale

or get an used one if you comfortable with that

[sullen linden]

vive used how much circa?

[chilly imp]

It depends where you live, maybe search on a marketplace

In NZ, I can find a full package one for about $300-400 NZD

If you decided to go for the used route, make sure to get the replacement foam

[toxic wasp]

Hm okay, so the market didnt change much.. well, then i guess i will look into those mixed reality headsets since those work with steam too as far as i know.

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, there isn't much software available for WMR specifically. Using them with SteamVR is even encouraged by Microsoft

[haughty thistle]

On the used Market you can surely find older WMR headsets as well as used original Vives for that price, if all you want is to avoid Facebook

[sullen linden]

sorry im a bit new on the matter, what the difference between normal vr and mixedrealitiy?

[haughty thistle]

Well... WMR is just Regular VR with a confusing name

Generally speaking Mixed Reality (or MR for short) usually refers to having a camera image with virtual elements overplayed and falls under the category of Augmented Reality (or AR). Virtual Reality (or VR) on the other hand is completely replacing what you'd normally see with a virtual environment and everything

@sullen linden

[sullen linden]

so... whats the difference in the experience

[drowsy basalt]

in vr you're somewhere else and in me you're still in your house

basicslly

[haughty thistle]

WMR is the tracking and software eco-system made by Microsoft. Think of it like how Oculus has it's own eco-system, just from Microsoft.
Microsoft never made their own WMR Hardware (unless you include the Holo-Lense), so all headsets using the WMR tracking system were made by other companies like Lenovo, HP, Dell, Acer and Samsung

[drowsy basalt]

example: in vr you're fighting grievous on kamino and in mr he's in your house

@sullen linden

[sullen linden]

sounds cool?

[drowsy basalt]

yeah but vr has more games but also requires more processing power

[sullen linden]

i have a 3060ti, processing power isnt a problem

price of headset is

[drowsy basalt]

spent everything on the gpu?

anyways mr is more expensive afaik

[haughty thistle]

Most WMR headsets are pretty similar, being basically the reference hardware in a different shell, but there are subtle differences between each one.
For example Dell and Lenovo moved the lenses a bit closer to the Users face so their WMR headsets have a bit of a larger FOV, while HP mounted the headphone jack on the bottom side of their first WMR headset.
Since then most WMR headsets have been discontinued except for vastly different the Samsung Odyssey+, HP Reverb G2 (the newest WMR headset to release) and the Acer Ojo 500.
To give you a bit of context: Samsung used OLED screens in all of their WMR headsets, while the HP Reverb line of HMDs all have super high resolution 2160x2160 resolution screens in them. This makes these headsets more expensive

[sullen linden]

yeah i spent like 1300 on the pc, but i got in vr later and didnt have much money left

[sullen linden]

so normal vr is less expensive?

[drowsy basalt]

yes

at least all I've seen

[haughty thistle]

Yup. AR headsets are quite expensive...

[sullen linden]

but there isnt a decent vr (even used if still good in 2021) for like 400?

[haughty thistle]

There are

[sullen linden]

and they are?

[haughty thistle]

The HTC Vive can be had used for about 400 bucks. Then there's the major backlog of now discontinued headsets using WMR (Lenovo Explorer, Dell Visor, HP VR1000)

[sullen linden]

is the vive still good in 2021?

[haughty thistle]

And if you decide to go with Ocul- I mean Facebook, there's the still really great Oculus Rift CV1

[thorny ferry]

Can i ask why not quest?

[sullen linden]

but that isnt chained to having a facebook account right?

[sullen linden]

quest is soo good, but... facebook

[haughty thistle]

The OG Vive and Rift CV1 might have quite low resolution screens compared to other headsets, but they both are still pretty great in their own regards.
The CV1 having still one of the best Controllers out there, while the Vive is a pretty cheap entry into the Lighthouse tracking eco-system

If you don't already have an Oculus account, all Oculus hardware will require a Facebook account, sadly

[drowsy basalt]

that's why they're trying to avoid oculus

[thorny ferry]

If its a data thing dont worry, FB already has all your data whether you have a FB account or not

[drowsy basalt]

no

[haughty thistle]

The great thing about the Vive is, if you have one you can upgrade to Index hardware relatively cheaply. As by that point you already have the lighthouses, all you need are the 300$ Index controllers to make your experience so much better

[drowsy basalt]

they can get even more by analyzing what you do in vr

[haughty thistle]

The thing is: Facebook can collect much more data through VR then they ever could through a website or App

[sullen linden]

i found a og vive kit for 439 from france, better that or the quest 2 for the experience?

[drowsy basalt]

for example if you watch the p thing and what kind you enjoy, what you're scared of etc.

[haughty thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgFWq0-Oj-I

[sullen linden]

the problem with something like that isnt them knowing, is if the share it

[drowsy basalt]

they sell your data to advertisers and others

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/R9f7WD0gKPo

[drowsy basalt]

you probably heard of the latest data leak where they posted account data if 550M people online accessible to anyone?

[haughty thistle]

Basically, with enough movement data, they can identify you reliably. And you wouldn't even know...

[pale orbit]

once they get the eye tracking and face tracking in as well they will be able to really ramp up data collection on you

[drowsy basalt]

who ghost ping pong'd me

[pale orbit]

everything you see they will be able to track the smallest facial or eye muscle movements to correlate to what you see (ads, videos, games)

[haughty thistle]

Someone posted a message (probably with a ping) and the bot immediately deleted it...

[sullen linden]

my bad

wrote something that the bot deleted

og vive vs quest 2, what are the differences?

[haughty thistle]

The Quest 2 is standalone, has better controllers, less SDE.
Both are pretty similar when it comes to the included headstrap.
The Vive has the better tracking, better overall image quality and is easy to upgrade piece by piece to better hardware.

[drowsy basalt]

one you get tracked and one you get tracked out of life
quest has higher res afaik
vive better tracking

[pale orbit]

better fov as well?

[sullen linden]

how do you mount the cameras for the vive? you have to drill holes in the wall?

[haughty thistle]

Could be? I think the Vive is somewhere around 110° FOV while the Quest is closer to 100°

[sullen linden]

and sorry whats sde?

[haughty thistle]

The Vive doesn't use cameras. They are lighthouses with 2 spinning lasers in them. It is recommended to mount them high up above head level for the lighthouses to get a proper view of things. Whether that be on a wall, the ceiling or on a shelf doesn't matter. The mounting should be solid though due to the moving parts inside.
While not really recommended, when I got my Vive I initially juts put the lighthouses on desks in opposing corners of my playspace and it worked just fine, as long as I kept distance to those corners

[sullen linden]

on a shelf could be good?

[haughty thistle]

Screen door effect. It's best described in how much black area there is in-between the pixels. Higher resolution doesn't always mean less SDE

[sullen linden]

ah ok got it

[haughty thistle]

As long as you can angle it down to your playspace, yeah

[sullen linden]

ok, il think about it thanks a lot for the help and the information

[hexed cave]

@sullen linden I use the quest 2 and I’m very happy with it. I play all my PCVR games wirelessly using virtual desktop. I have a wifi 6 router and have my gaming rig connected via Ethernet and latency hasn’t been an issue.

[sullen linden]

Ehh my wifi really sucks, in stuck with link

[candid bluff]

if the valve index base stations are out of stock and I buy the full kit will there be any problems ?

[pale orbit]

https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/1380566474318749722

HTC VIVE (@htcvive)

Now that the accessories are out of the way, let's get down to business.

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Twitter · Apr 9, 2021, 5:01 PM

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HTC VIVE (@htcvive)

@TheMysticle 🤠 https://t.co/gMU5vLct62

Twitter · Apr 9, 2021, 5:05 PM

[haughty thistle]

Considering how long it took from the 3.0 Tracker teaser till release, we might be close to seeing a full reveal at least of HTCs next Vive Headset...

[chilly imp]

You will need an active HDMI to DisplayPort adapter for the Index to work

[pastel echo]

Or have a laptop with a display port

[sullen linden]

Oculus quest or oculus rift

What!?

It’s discontinued

Why?

[tawny narwhal]

Does anyone know if 60 FPS minimum for VR is good?

cuz the game i want to play is 90 fps but drops to 60 sometimes

[gray reef]

I’m perfectly happy to play at 30 lol. It just depends on your tolerance, I just so happen to have an iron stomach, so as long as it’s a consistent 30, I’m happy. Frame drops are what’ll get you though

[tawny narwhal]

okay, but i once played a VR game for hours without feeling sick at all

not even after that

[gray reef]

If you’re fine with it, then I’m not sure why you asked lol. It’s all just subjective

[tawny narwhal]

ok sorry

but i played that VR game on standalone quest

[gray reef]

No, it’s completely fine, I was just saying that if you’re happy, then it’s all good

[sullen linden]

When you've been in a vrchat world with sub 40fps for hours you really start appreciate anything over that lol

[haughty thistle]

For pure PCVR, I'd say the Rift is the better option... Even if the hardware was discontinued

[iron skiff]

the cables are really prone to breaking

[haughty thistle]

Every cable breaks if you aren't careful with it

Optical cables more so then copper cables...

Or rather, I should say that Optical cables are more fragile then copper ones, but copper cables break more easily due to material fatigue (for example if you bend it back and forth at the same spot)

[celest creek]

anyone wanna do modded beat saber multi

[pastel echo]

You can do modded multiplayer?

how do you do that?

[celest creek]

you using pcvr or quest?

[pastel echo]

I use both

[celest creek]

lemme send a link

https://github.com/Assistant/ModAssistant

this is what i use

then in it, you make sure beattogether is a selected mod

that allows custom songs in multiplayer

https://github.com/Zingabopp/MultiplayerExtensions

you also want this

[pastel echo]

Turns out I never ordered VRcover

I just had a random charge from hong kong at the same time I thought I did

IN reality I guess I got to the paypal page and just didn't hit confirm

that was a month ago

🥲

[celest creek]

thats a rip

@pastel echo what hmd you got?

[pastel echo]

Quest 2

It's okay though because now the color I want is in stock so I ordered it today

[celest creek]

oh nice

[olive delta]

In a couple on weeks im gonna build my pc so i'm also thinking of buying a VR set, is there someone who can help me by telling me which one is worth buying?

[drowsy basalt]

depends

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, really depends on your budget and what you wanna play.
For simulation games that don't require hand presence (example FS2020 or ETS2), then the HP Reverb G2 is the one to get.
For games that require Hand Presence you'd want to get the Index, if you have the money to spare. If you don't then you'd have to decide whether you want to give Facebook insight to your movement patterns and room or if you're fine with getting an older headset on the used market...

[bleak night]

anyone know how to get knuckles going with the quest 2

or use onboard wifi working with alvr

quest 2 controllers cause severe hand pains for some reason now, recovered from an injury and cant use the quest 2 touch controlers

[frozen spindle]

Is there any new VR gear comming out within the next couple of months ?

[pastel echo]

Deca I think

[frozen spindle]

How does it look ?

[pale orbit]

spec wise it will be one of the best headsets

[pastel echo]

If it costs what it supposed to cost, it will be the best headset on the market in theory

[frozen spindle]

When is it set to come out ?

[pastel echo]

May

[frozen spindle]

Does it look like it's going to be sold out immediately/availible in europe ?

I've been addicted to VR stuff recently and really want to get into it

[pale orbit]

everyone is waiting for some early sample reviews from vr places before going all in

[frozen spindle]

I won't have the budget until june anyway

[pastel echo]

Here's a picture that I like looking at

The only real product in the companies belt thus far though is the Deca Move, which for a $70 item with a 3D printed shell seems to be getting amazing support from purchasers

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/zVo9eCWNRE4

[pastel echo]

(The deca move is a hip tracker that allows for directional movement based off where your hips are facing, similar to real walking)

I might buy it to be honest, I don't care about it in most games but in shooters like Pavlov it'd be a very big game changer

[frozen spindle]

I need to test out to see if I get motion sickness before going into more heavy duty stuff, but if I don't I'll get going all in

[pastel echo]

Oh you will get motion sickness

The important thing is to know that you need to adapt your body to it

It's like a tolerance or a muscle that you build up

[frozen spindle]

Like there are certain rollercoasters I can't do anymore, Star Tours for example

And if I'm not driving any left or right turns give me a tiny bit of nausia. If I'm driving there's absolutely no problem tho

[pastel echo]

Yeah you'll find your comfort zone of course, I'm just letting you know that when you get into VR it will not be a no sickness or all sickness thing. You will find out your tolerance and need to build it up if it's not enough for you

When I started VR I had a tolerance of about 3-5 hours no the rift, and by thinking that the solution to raising it was to just "push through" I ended up making it so bad that looking at a VR headset made me want to throw up

[frozen spindle]

Guess I'll buy a bucket with my first headset

And some canada dry

[pastel echo]

Or or or

Do what you're supposed to do and what I did to get my tolerance back up to decent

when you feel even a bit sick just stop playing

take a break go outside if you need to or get that canada dry

come back later

[pale orbit]

blow a fan on you

[pastel echo]

^True, that helps your body adjust to direction.
Also placing a mat or something that feels different from your floor in the center of playspace will help too

[frozen spindle]

Better yet, get someone to blow me

True VR

[pastel echo]

That may not help your body adjust to direction though

[frozen spindle]

What's the minimum gear required for a bon-a-fied VR setup ?

Like not occulus quest

[pale orbit]

depends on the headset all comes down to resolution you are trying to push

plenty of people with stuff like rx 580's and original vives/rifts and so

[frozen spindle]

Oh I'm not worried about computer specs

The people I follow have worse PC gear than me

[pastel echo]

Minimum gear, VR headset

[frozen spindle]

Really ? You can feasibly try it out with only an HTC vive headset ?

[pastel echo]

I mean yeah, I'm gonna assume you have the rest of the kit too for that example

[frozen spindle]

That's what I'm asking

What's in the kit

[pale orbit]

if all you are doing is sims you just need the headset + lighthouses if that's how the headset is tracked

if it's tracked by cameras on the headset you only need the hmd

[pastel echo]

Typically, Headset, controllers, and a tracking tech. In the case of vive/index/etc you'll want lighthouses. Rifts come with Oculus sensors, and Inside-out have cameras in em so they don't need external tracking

[frozen spindle]

What does the deca use ?

[pastel echo]

Inside out

also these are pretty cool if your ceilings support them

[pale orbit]

deca will have a wireless option to boot

[frozen spindle]

Yeah I'll be going wireless

[pale orbit]

but also the ability to plug in directly

[frozen spindle]

Do inside out headsets also support lighthouses for their controllers ?

I imagine the controlers and the headsets are treated seperately

[pale orbit]

no but if you want to spend the money on lighthouses and index controllers it's possible to make it work

it's finicky however

[frozen spindle]

hmmm ...

[pastel echo]

Only bother trying to mix and match headsets and controllers after you've come to a point where you have an issue without doing so

[pale orbit]

the deca controllers sound like that will have basically most of the same features as the index ones

they basically merged the oculus and index controllers for their design

[frozen spindle]

Yeah, I'm just asking the first questions that come to mind, I'll forget most of this, but at least it'll be in my brain so I don't have to learn it, just remember

[pastel echo]

Just no behind the back usage, which I've only noticed being a problem for me in beat saber where I had a bad habit of hitting blocks as they passed me instead of infront of me

[frozen spindle]

VR headsets use a USB-C port, correct ?

Because my GPU has no other output ports left

[pale orbit]

displayport and usb combo in most cases

[frozen spindle]

Oh I need two ?

[pale orbit]

usb-c or not doesn't really matter, plenty of usb c to a plugs

you just need a port that provides the bandwidth

[frozen spindle]

What's the bandwidth needed ? I have to look up what the port provides

[pastel echo]

You have original 2000 series card @frozen spindle ?

[pale orbit]

depends on the headset again, I think they are all just usb 3 anyways

[frozen spindle]

I have an RTX 2080S, I forget which brand

Found it, ASUS ROG Strix

I may actually be out of USB A ports on my PC tho, I might need a PCI-E adapter

[pastel echo]

That usb-c on your card, you can plug an adapter into it that provides displayport and usb

[frozen spindle]

Alright cool

Anything else you'd like to advise me on ?

I can't think of any more questions right now