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haughty thistle
rustic garnet
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Oh the fuck

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Although if it's got the same pinout still you can just push in a regular cable and leave half the sleeve out

haughty thistle
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I actually found one on Amazon that fit. I bought that cable for my Bose originally, but I later bought it in a much shorter length for my Vive Pro...

rustic garnet
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Huh

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What connector does the pro use on the hmd end?

haughty thistle
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Only negative is that this cable is only 3-pin, so no mic. The headphone jack adapter in my Vive Pro doesn't seem to get enough power for the mic anyways so... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

haughty thistle
rustic garnet
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You put a usb dac in there?

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Doesn't it have an aux out

haughty thistle
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A tiny one, meant for phones, but yeah. The Vive Pro does not have a headphone jack. It hopped onto that bandwagon very early...

rustic garnet
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How professional...

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Does pro just mean "so expensive only businesses can afford it" now or?

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ahem @apple hmm

haughty thistle
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The included headphones are honest to god garbage. If you ever listened to a cheap phone speaker, this is roughly how the Vive Pro sounds. It has a bit of bass, but other then that it's all treble...

rustic garnet
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Fr?

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That kit costs like 1300 dollars doesn't it

haughty thistle
# rustic garnet Does pro just mean "so expensive only businesses can afford it" now or?

Other then that one mishap, the Vive Pro actually is really cheap for a prosumer headset. It got software for like ambient mode included (to feed in the mic signal through the headphones), it's OLED screens are the most accurate for all headsets officially sold to consumers (even beating out other OLED headsets like the Quest) and it's really easy to find the right settings to wear this thing for hours...

haughty thistle
rustic garnet
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Wait why did you get the vive if you already had the index?

pastel echo
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And tbh I'm doing wireless with Quest2 so it's a bit different but wireless PCVR is freaking epic

rustic garnet
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How so?

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Oh nvm

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Yeah

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I assume it is

haughty thistle
# rustic garnet Wait why did you get the vive if you already had the index?

As Dawreme already said, I got the Vive Pro for the Wireless adapter. It's battery life on a 10Ah battery sucks (only about 2-2.5h), but it's the closest one can get to a no-compromise Wireless PCVR setup right now. The Index with it's super long cable is really great for most games I play, but for VRChat, where I move around a lot, Wireless is such a nice thing to have and that's what I bought it for.
The Quest has quite a bit of compression artifacting going on, and if you look for it, you will notice the latency involved. So that was out of the question for me btw.

rustic garnet
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Makes sense

haughty thistle
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Besides that, I'm a VR-Collector. I might not have as large of a collection as some other collectors out there (VodooDE, TylerOne), but every headset I do buy, I buy with a purpose. I've been playing with the idea of getting a PiMax headset, but the company behind it makes it hard for me to justify the 750€ for the PiMax 5k Super...

lofty minnow
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what vr headsets are releasing this year?

manic wind
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HTC comin out with a headset

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with the way Oculus goin, id be surprised if they didnt come out with a new headset lol

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pimax is releasing a new one too arent they?

pale orbit
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decagear, new vive standalone

rugged solar
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by owning a oculus cv1 am i missing out

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i got the whole shit brand new off fb market for $100

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some bloke didnt know he needed a pc to use it

flat pawn
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..lol

rugged solar
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but to which part

flat pawn
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The last bit

rugged solar
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yeah it was pretty funny fr

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but am i missing out

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like is the higher res per eye actually worth buying a new set?

flat pawn
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You're getting most of the vr experience for sure

rugged solar
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do newer headsets have a less obvious screen door effect?

flat pawn
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The clarity would be nicer for sure, just depends on how much you value it

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Yes

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It's been greatly reduced in just about any newer headset

rugged solar
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like for example, i like zero caliber and h3vr, those are my go-to games when im bored

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when im looking at targets a good distance from me, all blurred

flat pawn
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"missing out" might not be the best way of putting it but

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You're at a bit of a disadvantage

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Like I said, it's up to how much you value the extra features

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You have great controllers and tracking already

rugged solar
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if you were to give me a blunt yes or no, is the price tag on a newer set worth saying f my current one?

the features like tracking and all that dont concern me, i find that i have plenty of real estate and maneuverability with how im set up

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im concerned with resolution or quality

flat pawn
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If you can turn that cv1 back around for the same price you got it

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Then I'd say yeah, do it

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Get a newer headset

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Especially if it won't kill you financially

rugged solar
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stimmy coming thru..

flat pawn
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What else would you spend it on

pastel echo
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If so then yes you would do well to try and just buy a Quest 2 for $300 and even a router and VD to go with it for $400 and in my opinion the experience will be 4X better to match that cost

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If no and you don't intend to then the rift is definitely worth waiting a while longer while other headsets and stuff come out that may be more appealing for the price

ruby ermine
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is vr even worth it?

flat pawn
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VR is awesome

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If you ever get the opportunity to try it before buying it, do it

ruby ermine
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i cant get the chance to try but i know its fun somewhat, i just font know if i am gonna get the most out of it ya know?

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and also what cr is better? the quest 2 or rift s? my friend recently got the rift and he says its amazing but i also hear the quest 2 is good. but its setup is annoying if you waant pc use

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@flat pawn

flat pawn
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If you only plan on using it with a PC then I think the rift s might be better

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They're pretty similar overall

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Quest 2 is technically better

ruby ermine
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ok thanks

pale orbit
manic wind
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between the rift s and the quest 2, theres really no reason to go with the rift s anymore. the quest 2 is getting a 120hz update which automatically makes it better than the rift s, though it does remain to be seen how that feature will actually be used

hushed pond
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kinda suck only for this reason

pale orbit
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it works on the index, just jankey due to how it's positioned

hushed pond
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kinda suck that the eye tracking is only avaialble on a 1600$ headset

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but i will definitly be looking foward for the face tracking on my index

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ill be using duck tape as well

pale orbit
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like she says a 3d printed mount would probably solve most of the issues

hushed pond
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i dont have access to a 3d printer anywhere in my region

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even if there was i woulnt bother when i can just grab some duck tape i already have

gentle coral
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Eye tracking will more then likely come to the next index, or maybe as an addon to the current one via a tobii facial interface plate, as it will be integrated with the OoenBCI stuff valve is doing.

I have still not found out if Valve is going to be releasing a new headset in the fall, or if they are just going to be releasing upgrade kits with the tobii and openbci stuff.

pale orbit
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could do both, addons for the current headset and a new all in one headset

gentle coral
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Though the silicon shortage is affecting the development timeline of quite a few headsets, and increasing the BOM of the current gen headsets quite a bit.

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I expect the cost in parts for the Quest 2, Index, Reverb G2, have all gone up by at least 15%.

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Unless they were smart enough to buy up a ton of future stock of chips they use.

hushed pond
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index has been in high demand for a long time, valve can barely keep up with the demands

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i dont think we will see a new index anytime soon

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i will get those bci stuff one way or another even if i have to shell out for a new headset

haughty thistle
# rugged solar when im looking at targets a good distance from me, all blurred

Sounds to me like you're running your CV1 at default settings. Before shilling out for a new set, I'd recommend trying to adjust the pixel per display overwrite in the Oculus debug Utility. I found setting that value to 2 made the image significantly sharper and clearer.
It is true that with higher resolution screens, you will see more detail, but I'd argue that a good SS is more important for image clarity then a high resolution up until like 4k screens. At that point the pure resolution is enough to hide the slight blurryness and whatnot...

haughty thistle
haughty thistle
agile abyss
livid nova
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im thinking of getting a quest 2 64gb
any thoughts?

haughty thistle
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It's a pretty good headset for the price. Just be aware that you do have to invest more then the base price of the Quest for it to be comparable to native PCVR Headsets in regards to comfort and audio

livid nova
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ye ima get the base model then if i have any issues i will get some better audio/headstraps things

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maybe ill be fine with it

ruby ermine
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for the rift s do i have to use my audio from the headset or can i use my headset if i plug it in the headset?

haughty thistle
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The headphone-jack on the Rift S is only an output afaik. So you probably have to use the included mic, unless you go with a wireless mic (Mod-Mic wireless for example)

dark tusk
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Getting my first vr headset, quest 2, any recommendations on what i should try?

flat pawn
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boneworks

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if you're hooking it up to a pc that is

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beat saber always a good option

manic wind
ruby ermine
haughty thistle
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You could use your own headphones plugged into the headset or PC. Just keep in mind that you have to manually select the output device if you're not using the built-in DAC on the HMD

ruby ermine
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oh ok

haughty thistle
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You could also do a desktop mirror of the audio, but it'll be delayed and it can break the immersion if your headphones don't block outside noises enough

haughty thistle
# manic wind i think it currently allows 90 over the link right?

90Hz is the current maximum on the Quest 2, yes. What I was referring to was with the Bitrate. As with rising refreshrate, you also want to either increase the bitrate or reduce the resolution to not hurt the visual fidelity. We'll see whether or not it'll be made available and what trade-offs will have to be done in order to make it work...

ruby ermine
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i dont think im gonna go fronthe rift s

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cuz i have to order online and i cant wait

haughty thistle
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Well... good luck finding anything in stock right now. Even the Quest 2 is apparently sold out in most places too

ruby ermine
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its in stock at best buy here

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i live in a slowly building up city.

manic wind
ruby ermine
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so its big but not too big

haughty thistle
# manic wind right, 120 may not work at all. I was asking about 90 because that is an immedia...

The 90/80Hz controversy was blown way out of proportions imo. You will notice a difference in a side-by-side comparison, but it's nothing that is going to bother like 99% of the users. The Quest 2 afaik uses the same lenses as the OG Quest/Rift S, so there shouldn't be any differences. The physical resolution of the screen is better, but the Quest 2 runs at a render (and encoding) resolution comparable to the Rift S, so you won't get any extra detail, just less SDE, a more blurry immage ('cause it's upscaled) and a higher performance impact ('cause it has to be compressed and send over USB/Wifi).
The main benefit that I saw with the OG Quest over the Rift S was it's physical IPD adjustment, and that is still true to some degree with the Quest 2, except that it's not as clear-cut. The Quest 2 only has 3 IPD settings, and if you're unlucky and fall directly in-between 2 settings, you're never going to have a great experience as even the "IPD hack" with slowly moving the lenses in-between 2 settings can cause noticeable distortions on the image. But I do agree, that some "IPD adjustment" is better then none

manic wind
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yeah I agree about the 80 vs 90 debate

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i never really noticed the lack of frames when using my Rift S. it looked good to me

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i wasnt aware about the way the Quest 2 encodes its image though, thats interesting

haughty thistle
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If you run standalone, the Quest 2 can run at it's native panel resolution, just not on Link/VD. This is probably because of limitations on how fast the SOC can decode the incoming image (or maybe a willing limitation on the PC side to keep the load in check? I dunno)

manic wind
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so the Rift S does still remain a better choice if you are strictly using it for PC VR

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I have to think the value of the standalone experience outweighs that, but it does depend on the user

haughty thistle
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*If you fall in the limited range of the IPD

manic wind
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right, that too.

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Rift S has no IPD adjustment so if you are out of that range, it's a no go

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( a big reason why i bought my Index was IPD adjustment)

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i do hope they can make a standalone VR headset that is PCVR capable that rivals the Index soon 🙂 maybe that HTC..

haughty thistle
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If you already have a decent PC, the Rift S beats out the Quest 2 comfort out of the box, and doesn't require any additional investments to use it with a PC. Besides that it's also easier to run, so for PCVR I'd argue that the Rift S is still a better budget option. But I know many other Enthusiasts disagree with me here "BeCaUsE StAnDaLoNe!!1elefen". If you want PCVR, I hate to say, but the Quest 2 kinda falls behind here...

haughty thistle
# manic wind i do hope they can make a standalone VR headset that is PCVR capable that rivals...

HTC did announce a standalone headset for this year. But they also said that it's not supposed to rival the Quest 2. We'll see what come out of their labs later this year. If they can make a pricepoint of let's say 600$ and make it compatible with the Vive Pro/Cosmos cable harness, it's going to be a stellar deal. Especially because you could make it a proper PCVR headset with the right cable or even the Vive Wireless Adapter

flat pawn
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do you think it'll come with new controllers?

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I'm not really interested in using the old wands

haughty thistle
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Probably not. HTC has shown that they want to get away from the wands with the Vive Cosmos. They probably didn't see the reason to invest into developing a new controller for the lighthouse tracking system and just stuck to the wands until they don't have any more lighthouse compatible headsets

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It's just a guess of mine though...

flat pawn
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they want to move away from the wands but don't want to develop a new controller

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you can't do both of those things at once lol

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would be cool to see any other controller compete with the knuckles

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maybe something with a little better build quality and a new feature or two?

manic wind
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i appreciate the insight Chickenbread, I learned something new 🙂

flat pawn
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better battery life?

haughty thistle
flat pawn
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yeah, like the wands

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which are lighthouse tracked, no?

haughty thistle
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Yup. The wands are lighthouse tracked

flat pawn
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so when you say they want to move away from the wands does that mean they want to move towards inside out tracked controllers?

manic wind
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i think the goal with VR now is to move away from tracking devices, and use inside out tracking

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though perhaps for full room scale (large spaces) tracking is still superior?

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when I used my Rift S I was surprised at how effective the inside out tracking was. I never felt like I was getting any errors with movements

flat pawn
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same here

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it's just that you'd need to rely on an external system if you want full body tracking

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unless controllers start having cameras too? idk

haughty thistle
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For the general consumer, there's no real reason to use external base stations of any kind for VR. All your hand and head movements can be measured by a set of internal sensors, including cameras.
If you want to track other parts of your body like your feet or hip, at that point, having an external vantage point with a tracking base station is kinda required. Multiple if you want to turn around

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The problem with handing camera feeds is that it's a lot more resource (and power) intensive then a small little IMU. So unless we find some breakthrough energy efficient camera processor, I don't think we'll see cameras on controllers in the near future...

gentle coral
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There will be many option for full body tracking in the near future, right now a decent IMU based full body tracking system is at about 1000 dollars for a 10 point tracking suit. It should go down in price pretty quickly as XR and immersion tech becomes more popular

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IMU drift, and IMU sync were problems tell a few years ago, but now there is well known methods for minimizing the drift, and low latency wireless sensor communication is pretty much solved.

gentle coral
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If anyone here is wondering what HTC's new standalone headset might be like, remember that this would be their third Standalone VR headset, and their second standalone 6 DOF one.

Their current issues are making their tracking better and making good controllers, as the screens, lenses, and ergonomics in their headsets are generally pretty good.

If you never heard about HTC's first two standalone headsets, the Focus, and Focus Plus, don't feel to bad, they ended up not really being advertised to consumers as they were very much business targeted headsets.

The last time I think i tried a vive focus was with the Nordictrack VR bike (buying the exercise bike comes with the Vive Focus headset).

If you wonder what a VR bike is, here is a link to an article about the Nordictrack one.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nordictracks-vr-bike-is-a-fun-workout-if-you-dont-puke?amp=true

PCMAG

With the NordicTrack VR Bike, you strap on an HTC Vive Focus, grab the game controller-like handles, and start peddling to make your way through a game. We tried it out at CES.

rustic garnet
rustic garnet
livid nova
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did anyone hear of the omni one

its their first consumer omnidirectional treadmill
u can buy the non consumer omni on ebay but its crazy expensive cuz no one sells it
its coming out mid 2021 i cant wait even tho i cant afford one

haughty thistle
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I dunno... Someone on reddit mentioned a number of issues with their "Demo video" and how it was faked. Besides that, th actual consumer version of this treadmill is supposed to require a subscription and will only work with the Pico Neo 2 with a special firmware as shown in the video. Only the Developer version is supposed to work with standard PCVR headsets

livid nova
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it was a non consumer version in arcades

livid nova
livid nova
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haughty thistle
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There is also the Kat Walk C which is intended for home use with any PCVR headset

sly falcon
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imagine an affordable vr treadmill

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how far are we away from that

sly falcon
pastel echo
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I like the quest 2 experience better, I like the open speaker audio better.
I like the wireless / link experience better for everything I do. And the standalone experience is pretty amazing as well

manic wind
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as with anything, YMMV 🙂

pastel echo
manic wind
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yep, thats what ive recommended to her

sturdy oak
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crisp nymph
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probably

sturdy oak
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Should I be worried for what port to put it in? Because the laptop has nVIDIA optimus so it can switch from the igpu to the gpu.

sly falcon
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which headset btw

sturdy oak
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No idea, but maybe a quest 2

sly falcon
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if its a q2, it just plugs into the usb c port so in that case you shouldnt have to worry

sturdy oak
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There’s more than one usb c,

manic wind
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that laptop will be a great VR machine

sturdy oak
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I just want to make sure that the gpu is going to be hooked up to the vr headset instead of the igpu

sly falcon
sturdy oak
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Thanks!

sly falcon
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np

gloomy crater
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Beat saber messed up big time

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Tons of the best art maps are wall based, and Chroma just removed their light show functionality because the beatsaber team implemented zen mode to be a vanilla replacement for it. The issue? zen mode disables obstacles

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So yeah. Any wall maps you have, you now have to play them with the notes enabled because if you turn on Zen mode, the walls will disappear. Absolutely amazing problem solving beat games. great job

sly falcon
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amazing -_-

gloomy crater
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and the "helpers" in the PC-Help channel of the official Beat Saber Modding Group Discord range from uncaring to completely useless. I'm just in there trying to find a mod that will disable notes and bombs like the old light show mode and legit three times, OFFICIAL HELPERS FROM THE SERVER have been like 'just use zen mode'

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Like, either I genuinely can't get them to understand the fact that zen mode disabling walls breaks all my maps and I need another solution, or they understand my issue and just tell me to suck it up and deal with the notes flying passed my face while I try to enjoy the art and animations

sly falcon
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speaking of beat saber, how do i do custom songs again? its been so damn long that i forgot

gloomy crater
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On PC, there's just a folder in the game directory that you drag and drop the song files into, and it works by default with no mods unless the song you're trying to play is dependent on certain mods, in which case those are required. On quest it's more complicated.

sly falcon
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oh wait lol i see the folder, when i went to do it yesterday it wasnt there for whatever reason

manic wind
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its that easy!? dang

dapper folio
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pull the trigger on index full set for $800 or wait for the next new thing

gentle coral
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The Omni One looks a lot better then their old Omnidirectional treadmills, and the Kat walk C looks very nice as well. The problem for me is the tethering system can break a bit of immersion and does restrict movement a bit.but both will be great options until larger tetherless Omnidirectional treadmill systems become much cheaper. Right now I know if I wanted to build my dream Omnidirectional treadmill it would cost at least 10k just to build.

Long term a much better option will be full motion arm systems.

Like this one

https://newatlas.com/vr/holotron-virtual-rreality-haptic-exoskeleton/

Though this specific tech is still at least 5 years out from being all that viable even for an arcade. (At least at the current pace.

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gentle coral
gloomy crater
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Yeah, I bought a barely used launch unit and I'm just waiting for one of the problems they had back then to pop up

red onyx
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whats the cheapest vr hedset

livid nova
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rift S / Quest 2

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same price but rift needs pc quest dont need pc

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@red onyx

red onyx
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i got 5900x and 3090

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i need cheap vr now.

livid nova
red onyx
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500 bux

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ur shittin m

livid nova
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its 300$

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@red onyx

red onyx
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500bux

livid nova
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u good bro

void grove
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Damn they're selling leftover Rift S stock for 300?

gloomy crater
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I'm really tempted to buy a Rift S. Just, like, to have it. It was kinda the beginning and the end of Oculus' PC dedicated inside out tracked HMD series. I really don't have the money to just have hundreds-of-dollars pieces of electronics just sitting around (I say eyeing an RX570 in the corner people would easily pay $500 for right now) but maybe one day I'll have the money to just have a Rift S and OG Vive to keep around for the memories

haughty thistle
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For me personally, the Rift CV1 is more of a collectors piece then the Rift S. The latter isn't really an Oculus Product at all and was hastily put to market as a stop gap until Quest Link was ready.
It's still a better option for PCVR the the Quest, but only really if you don't want to mod stuff and fit into the supported IPD range

livid nova
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rift DK2

livid nova
haughty thistle
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If you have the additional Space required and don't mind the lower res screens, the CV1 is still a better purchase IMO. Yes it's older, yes it doesn't have standalone capabilities, BUT: it does have better included audio, it's controllers sit just perfectly in your hands and it can be had for cheaper then even the Rift S. And I'd argue that good SS (supersampling) is much more important then less SDE...

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The Quest 2 as a PCVR headset has the opposite of SS. It upscales the image as it's only rendered at a resolution comparable to what the Index or other 1440p headsets render and then has to upscale the image to fit it's higher res screens...

warm geyser
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i got a quest 2 and was trying to use oculus link, but it keeps saying i am connected via usb2 when its a usb 3 cable

pale orbit
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make sure your plugging into a usb 3+ port and not a 2.0 one

warm geyser
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its plug in a 3.2 port

haughty thistle
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Some cables don't play nicely with the Quest and will downgrade the connection to USB 2.0 speeds. Same goes for some USB controllers.

warm geyser
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hmm i tried 3 different cables all rathed for usb3 . works a usb3 on my other devices

rustic garnet
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Doesn't link always use usb 2 because it's faster to compress

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Or something

haughty thistle
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Nope. USB 3.0 is recommended because it has a more stable connection at the speeds used by Link

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THe OG Quest is indeed stuck at speeds that can be handled by USB 2.0, but the Quest 2 can run at up to 500MBit/s if your PC can handle it. 500MBit/s is well beyond the 180Mbit/s that USb 2.0 can transfer

sly falcon
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it appears the knuckles have gotten way less back ordered

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1st order took 2 weeks, my rma units took 2 days

warm geyser
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just notice this but in ocullus it says the tranfer speed is 380 mbps but still says connected via usb 2 -_-

haughty thistle
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That's weird...

pastel echo
uneven lichen
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Is the HTC vive good?

sullen linden
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It was in like 2016

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Get quest 2

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Or somethin

lofty minnow
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is quest 3 releasing this year

pure token
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I bought a Quest 2 two days ago. I've been enjoying it since. I was told to stay away from the Cosmos / Cosmos Elite because of their poor tracking. Kinda sucks because I was hoping they were good.

livid nova
lofty minnow
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when??

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Q1-Q2?

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or

livid nova
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idk but not 21

gentle coral
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I am guessing fall of this year will be quest 3 or the quest 2 Pro. They want to release a headset every year (do the smartphone model).

haughty thistle
# uneven lichen Is the HTC vive good?

Depends on what you value in a VR headset. If you want something that is easily upgradable or fixable if something breaks, then the Vive is one of the best options out there. Otherwise, there are other headsets on the used Market that are better and often cheaper

uneven lichen
haughty thistle
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The G2 itself is a nice headset, but it's controllers suck even more then the Vive Wands. If you don't need the controllers good. Otherwise, I'd recommend you go with a different option...

sullen linden
#

@haughty thistle I have a 20,000 mAh power bank - would that work well with the quest 2?

sullen linden
haughty thistle
uneven lichen
#

@haughty thistle @sullen linden either that or an index

sullen linden
#

yea

uneven lichen
#

But

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Problem with index

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Is that it's like the 30 series

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never gonna come back in stock is it

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So that's why I'm more to reverb

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Cause I can buy that from official store but can't go for index cause steam is sold out

haughty thistle
#

The Index is the better package tho. And I've read somewhere today that Valve has caught up quite a bit. Unlike GPUs, you can reserve a spot in the waiting line and recently that has been not much more then a couple of weeks. If you waited this long to jump into VR, I'd argue you could wait another few weeks...

uneven lichen
#

I'm waiting to get rid of this shit XD

uneven lichen
haughty thistle
#

You pay once it's your turn. Valve can't really give you an estimate beyond what it says in the store. So once you put yourself on the waiting list, there's nothing more but to wait for an Email from Valve. Once it's your turn, you have 7 days to order it.
That's at least how it has been with my Order back after release and also earlier in 2020 when the Index first was sold out...

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For example, in the German Steam it gives an estimate of 2 Weeks to order

uneven lichen
#

Hmm

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UK it doesn't

haughty thistle
#

Ohh....

uneven lichen
#

But I'll sing up since I'm getting paid next Friday

haughty thistle
#

That's a problem... Valve had issues with UK boarder control ever since Brexit...

uneven lichen
#

Welllll

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See my issue and why I want a valve but can't get one

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Literally same price as hp reverb

haughty thistle
#

They ship European orders from the netherlands, and apparently boarder control Fees have been so large, that Valve first wants to make some sort of agreement, and all Index shipments to the UK have been halted in the meantime

uneven lichen
#

Welp

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fuck me then XP

haughty thistle
#

Not even Valve knows how long this'll take...
So the G2 might really be your only option for now...

uneven lichen
#

Any other £700 vr headsets?

haughty thistle
#

PiMax has some headsets out there too... But I haven't seen their sets with Lighthouses and Index controllers in stock in a while

#

Otherwise, the only remaining option I can think of is the Vive Pro. Don't get the Vive Cosmos Elite as it's not as good as the Pro...

uneven lichen
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8k pimax?

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Nvm £1400

#

Am I better buying hp and getting vive controllers later?

uneven lichen
#

Remember I'm used to quest and find index controllers weird

haughty thistle
#

The G2 controllers are usable, but they are only slightly better them the OG WMR controllers. In terms of Games support, they try to emulate the Oculus controllers, but more often then not, games will have issues with the button mapping. VRC is a prime example of a game not really working with the G2 controllers

rugged solar
haughty thistle
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PiMax also has the Artisan, which is kinda their Index competitor btw

uneven lichen
#

Oh artisan is cheap

haughty thistle
#

Remember that you need the set with lighthouses and controllers, or the Headset will only show a gray screen

uneven lichen
#

Oh no

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What is vat

haughty thistle
#

Tax

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Sales tax to be specific

uneven lichen
#

oh

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Also lighthouse?

haughty thistle
#

It's the name of the Basestation used by the SteamVR/Lighthouse Tracking system

uneven lichen
#

OK can I ask then

haughty thistle
#

You'll need them for the Index, Vive Pro, PiMax headsets

uneven lichen
#

Do u have links so I'm buying correct thing

sullen linden
#

I get my first ever VR headset tomorrow - yay

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Quest 2

lofty minnow
#

brexit 🤡

uneven lichen
#

Yup

zinc obsidian
#

What are some decent/recomended specs to run an htc vive

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Original

haughty thistle
#

1060 or equivalent GPU with at least 4 GB of VRAM and a recent CPU with 4 cores (something 4th Gen Intel or newer)

proud lodge
#

whats a good game for vr on pc? I have an oculus rift s

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I have an rtx 2080 and 3700x so I should be able to run mostly everything'

rotund wave
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the gorilla game

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this

proud lodge
#

wut is this

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lmao

rotund wave
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idk i dont have a vr

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but i saw it on tiktok and it looks fun

proud lodge
#

is it free?

rotund wave
#

yes

proud lodge
#

lemme check it out rq

rotund wave
proud lodge
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this is ridiculous

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im getting it]

rotund wave
#

no

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i wish i could get it too

proud lodge
#

my oculus is about 20 minutes from being delivered

rotund wave
#

cool

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is that like the best one

proud lodge
#

no the index is the best

rotund wave
#

ok

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i want it now

#

time to sell ps4

proud lodge
#

but it is $1000

rotund wave
#

time to sell kidney

proud lodge
#

thats why I got a rift s

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$300 is better

rotund wave
#

wow that a big price diff

proud lodge
#

ikr

rotund wave
#

but i probably wont buy it in a year

#

so the price will go down

proud lodge
#

it came out for 4-500

rotund wave
#

bruh

proud lodge
#

yeah

rotund wave
#

do you get full body traking

proud lodge
#

do you have a computer to run it?

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just the hands

rotund wave
#

yeah i have a ludachrist pc

proud lodge
#

whats in it?

rotund wave
#

idk sum electronics

proud lodge
#

nice

#

same

rotund wave
#

yeah

proud lodge
#

nice

#

you could definitely run vr

rotund wave
#

ig its good

rotund wave
#

you think it could run hl alex

proud lodge
#

you are like only one step down from my pc

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for sure

rotund wave
#

what

proud lodge
#

I have one step up on the cpu and graphics card

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other than that very similar computers

rotund wave
#

its like 1.5 years old

turbid mango
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me with a 1060 😐

rotund wave
#

and i didnt want to spend like 5k

proud lodge
#

ikr

rotund wave
#

cause my monitor is expensive enough

proud lodge
#

I bought my 2080 when pricing was normal

rotund wave
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and keyboard

proud lodge
#

I built my monitor

rotund wave
#

nice

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is it out of wood?

proud lodge
#

I bought a broken one and swapped the panel

rotund wave
#

and how much did that cost

proud lodge
#

$200 for an $800 monitor isnt too bad

rotund wave
#

a*

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yeah and the panel was

proud lodge
#

it was like $60 for the broken monitor and around 150 for the new panel

rotund wave
#

how much

#

yeah so like 150 dollars cheaper

#

math

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bad

#

me

proud lodge
#

600 dollars cheaper lmao

rotund wave
#

oh

turbid mango
#

gg you spent more on a panel then i did on my entire monitor lol

rotund wave
#

mans still running on the cube monitor

proud lodge
#

I have a 4k60 panel and a 1440p 144hz monitor

rotund wave
proud lodge
#

do you have nvidia?

rotund wave
#

yeah

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it has a sticker

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that says nvidia

proud lodge
#

right click the desktop and select nvidia control panel

rotund wave
#

ok

proud lodge
#

should be in change resolution

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it will say (native) next to the original

rotund wave
#

4k

proud lodge
#

nice

rotund wave
#

i think

proud lodge
#

1440p

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technically 2k

rotund wave
#

bruh

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3k

proud lodge
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3840x2160 is 4k

rotund wave
#

oh so its not 4k

proud lodge
#

nope

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but 1440p is still really good

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thats what one of my monitors is

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lol

rotund wave
#

what happened to my fps

proud lodge
#

wdym

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what happened

rotund wave
#

acidentally put it on 24 hz

proud lodge
#

lmao

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yeah dont do that lol

rotund wave
#

i have 1 tb of space :0

proud lodge
#

I have... a lot

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2.1 TB free

rotund wave
#

why IS MY INTERNET donwload speed ONLY 1 MB/s

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when in speed test its 9

proud lodge
#

oof

rotund wave
proud lodge
#

what launcher is that

rotund wave
#

im downloading genshin

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impact

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maybe cause my tv is runninh

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you should also downlaod

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brchat

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vr

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chat

soft hound
proud lodge
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true

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but in general it is referred to as 2k

spring mantle
#

hey im having an issue with quest link where i will most of the time get audio stutters, ive tried everything from oculus tray tool to driver updates and none of them have fixed the issue, but when i take the headset off and it's screen is off but its still sending audio over the usb the audio crackling will stop, do you think this could be a bandwidth issue since im using a usb 2.0 cable

#

ive been trying to fix this issue for months now

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sometimes, just sometimes itll work fine

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and i dont know what is making it work on those times

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and i dont think its the ryzen bios issue since this is a 400 series board

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please @ me if you know thanks

pale orbit
pastel echo
sullen linden
ashen grove
#

Would a Ryzen 5 3600 and RX 6700XT run a Valve Index well?

flat pawn
#

yes

ashen grove
#

ok

spark pawn
#

In this video I’m asking where I should put my lighthouses and showing my room

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If anyone knows, screenshot the 2 corners I should because I have no idea

haughty thistle
#

My gut feeling tells me above the bed and above the window. It would ensure that you have enough distance to at least the lighthouse above your bed.
But if you intend on getting fullbody tracking in the future, it might be wiser to choose the other combination with one lighthouse above the door and the corner above the cloth hanger. Then you'd not have as large of a blindspot behind the bed.

Generally speaking you'd probably want the first combination I mentioned ^^

fickle zealot
#

1080p is 2k

spark pawn
haughty thistle
spark pawn
#

Hopefully someday I can buy another base station if they ever come back in stock

pastel echo
sullen linden
#

i get my quest tomorrow - any games you recommend other than beat sabre and onward?

pastel echo
#

Pavlov Shack is free to sideload and is fun as hell on Quest 2

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I also enjoy Pistol Whip

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and Superhot VR you can beat before the 2 hour return window is up but if you plan on sharing Quest 2 with friends and family it's worth keeping

#

If you have friends Eleven the table tennis game is really fun if you like ping pong, really good ping pong physics too no joke

sullen linden
pastel echo
#

You can buy it on steam and have Pavlov shack on quest for free. That's what I do

sullen linden
#

Sounds cool

pale orbit
inner oak
#

game recomendations ?

dull tide
# spark pawn

Do you have a iPhone? You can use magicplan to map out your room

strange jewel
turbid mango
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has anyone changed their quest 2 refresh rate settings while connected to a pc, and if so was performance affected? and also are you able to change it back?

pale orbit
#
rotund wave
#

one day the oasis is gona be real

sullen linden
#

ITS LITERALLY INSANE

soft harness
#

Are there rgb vr sets?

sullen linden
#

No XX

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XD

soft harness
#

Darn

#

Whats better the oculus quest 2 or the vive pro?

haughty thistle
#

Index and PiMax

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The Vive Pro has the benefit of being upgradable with the Vive Wireless Adapter.
The Index has the super awesome off-ear speakers, a high refresh rate and extremely good comfort.
The PiMax headsets (5k Plus, 5k Super, 8k, 8k X) have a super wide FOV.
So all three of the high end options have their own Plusses. It just depends on what you value the most

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Oh, and if you really need RGB, you could install some RGB light into the frunk of the Index 😉

livid nova
livid nova
soft harness
haughty thistle
livid nova
#

quest 2
wireless headset or wire
standalone
300$

psvr
300$
wired
needs ps4/5
good comfort

index
1000$
best wired headset for PCVR
needs a pc
best speakers and comfort

Pimax
good at FOV/RES/HZ
expensive
wired
uses same accesories as index

#

also if ur buying from PiMax use amazon
cuz there website takes 10 months to ship and amzon takes a day

flat pawn
#

if money was no object which pimax headset would you get

#

looks like the 8k one has a lower refresh rate but higher resolution

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vs the opposite on the 5k models

#

how impactful is the difference in clarity between the 5k and 8k in practice?

haughty thistle
flat pawn
#

that's what I was leaning towards

#

I can't imagine the difference between 5k super and 8k native being life changing anyways

#

not as much as the huge difference in refresh rate at least

haughty thistle
# livid nova also vive pro sucks tbh if u want a vr headset ur best options are quest 2 psv...

Well... The included controllers are basic, but they are compatible with almost all games on Steam. Besides that you can just swap out controllers for the Index ones.
The OLED panels of the Vive Pro have some noticable benefits, like better contrast and colors. Due to its higher resolution, the Pentile matrix isn't as noticable either.
Besides that, the Vive Pro has one Ace up it's sleeve: the compatibility to the Vive Wireless Adapter. Almost Compromise-Free Wireless VR

haughty thistle
flat pawn
#

convenient that the best option is far from the most expensive

livid nova
#

5k super cuz ur pc is not good enough for 8k

flat pawn
#

it isn't?

livid nova
#

also more then 5k is barely a differnece

flat pawn
#

so is there any PC that can run the 8kx?

#

I have a 6800XT

livid nova
#

a guy with a 3090 said he couldnt get 180fps on the 5k super

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cpu 5950x btw

flat pawn
#

that's an experimental feature though isn't it

haughty thistle
#

The thing is: PiMax marketing is BS. The PiMax 5k is like running 2 1440p screens, so not 5k. And the 8k X (the one that actually has its full resolution active) is like running 2 4k Screens. So not 8k.
The regular 8k is like running 2 1440p screens btw, so you only get the less SDE from the higher screens on that headset

flat pawn
#

honestly I was just more interested in the huge fov

haughty thistle
#

Besides that, the 5k Super is also full of BS. 180Hz only on the lowest FOV setting, but conveniently, that is not mentioned on the Website

flat pawn
#

if the clarity was even a little better than a rift s (which it surely is) then I'm already satisfied on that front

flat pawn
#

what's the max refresh on the highest fov setting then?

livid nova
#

u can do 120hz 200fov which is good enough for me

flat pawn
#

for 5k+

haughty thistle
livid nova
flat pawn
#

super, sorry

#

shitty names

#

I was curious about max refresh on the 5k super while fov is maxed

ashen gulch
#

heyho, quick question, so i have a quest and a pc and i was trying to do pcvr via virtualDesktop right, well it was super choppy, so, question is, with my hardware, which would be the most obvious bottleneck for performance? (hardware spec incoming gimme a sec to write it lol)

drowsy basalt
ashen gulch
#

so my pc spec is an i5-2500 cpu @ 3.30GHz
win10
gtx 750 Ti
8gm ram

ashen gulch
#

i was using virtualDesktop for wireless

#

yeah ik, which would be the most obvious bottleneck, or is it just everything lol

drowsy basalt
#

plus, wireless wont really work iirc

burnt vault
#

Something wonky is going on with my setup. I just got Cable Matters 6 foot extensions cables for USB 3.0 and HDMI, hoping to extend my Oculus Rift setup, but now everything is showing as 2.0 connected, and one of my sensors isn't even showing up (no idea when that started). Am I hitting some kind of USB bandwidth limit on my mobo? If so, that's kinda BS, as I'm not really pushing it, and this is a brand new system.

tawny narwhal
#

is it worth upgrading from i5 8400 to i7 8700k for vr?

burnt vault
#

Would I be able to plug in one of my Oculus sensors into my new monitor that has 4 USB 3 slots, if I plug the monitor USB into my USB 3.2 (5GB, I believe) port?

haughty thistle
# ashen gulch so my pc spec is an i5-2500 cpu @ 3.30GHz win10 gtx 750 Ti 8gm ram

The choppyness you experienced in PCVR is mainly down to 2 reasons:
You GPU can't render the frames fast enoungh and your CPU probably can't encode the images for Quest Link/Virtual Desktop fast enough to send them to your Quest.
A third reason could also be your router, if it's far away or not a decent enough 5GHz router, there's a good chance it can also introduce additional stutters.

Ultimately I'd say your biggest bottleneck is the GPU followed closely by the CPU. I tried to run VR on a 750Ti before and it was basically unplayable. And that was on a headset that natively ran PCVR...

burnt vault
#

I thought USB 3.0 plastic was blue...just plugged a sensor into my case front port, it's registering as 3.

haughty thistle
# burnt vault Something wonky is going on with my setup. I just got Cable Matters 6 foot exten...

The CV1 sensors are known to be extremely bandwidth hungry and are very picky about cable extensions. Basically if it's not a super high quality cable, it probably will default to USB 2.0. Besides that, it is known that the CV1 sensors can sometimes even have issues with the quality of the contacts in a USB port, so trying different ports might give you better results.
To answer your question about USB coloring: According to the specification, yes. A USB 3.0 port is supposed to be colored blue, but not all manufacturers abide by this rule. Especially Case manufacturers often disregard this part of the spec to make their cases more visually appealing. The best way to find out whether or not a port supports USB 3.0 or faster speeds is to look down the connector. On the male end (cable), there should be 5 little spring-loaded contacts visible at the back of the connector. On the female side (case/PC), there should be 5 contact pads right at the front of the connector slightly recessed into the plastic

burnt vault
#

Makes sense on the coloring with case manufacturers.
I have everything showing as USB 3 right now, without the extender, so back to trying that again.

#

Any idea if I can plug the sensor into a monitor and be fine? The monitor has 4 ports, all usb 3, and is obviously powered. I have the monitor plugged into my best (3.2) red USB port, as I was hoping the extra bandwidth would let the hub avoid issues.

#

Somewhat regretting going with a B550 Gaming Edge, vs something with way more USB 3 ports.

haughty thistle
#

Those are 2m passive cables... that could already be slightly too long. I have 2 lengths of USB 3.0 extensions here at my place: one 5m extension I originally bought for Quest link and two that are about 1.5m long. The 5m extension is an active extension and works fine for Quest Link, but refuses to connect a CV1 sensor with USB 3.0 speed. The 1.5m extensions are passive extensions and a bit flakey. They only work on very specific ports on my PC, and sometimes still revert to USB 2.0 speeds.

burnt vault
#

This is only for the headset, BTW.

#

Should have lead with that.

#

The sensors are using default length, just my headset needed extending.

haughty thistle
burnt vault
#

It's a $600 Dell 1440p with bells and whistles, so hopefully solid.

#

But there's like no spec info on the hub, saw various listings not even mentioning they had usb ports.

haughty thistle
# burnt vault The sensors are using default length, just my headset needed extending.

I've actually found that it doesn't really matter whether the CV1 HMD is connected with USB 2.0 or USB 3.0. The reason I guess why it warns you about USB Speed for the HMD is probably because of Power delivery. USB 3.0 has by spec more power to deliver, so plugging in the CV1 into a standard USB 2.0 connector might cause tracking issues as the HMD might dim the tracking LEDs to cope with less power...

burnt vault
#

That's what I was reading.

#

It's also rather common for motherboard manufacturers to seemingly surpass the 2.0 spec for power, you just can't ensure it.

#

So, as long as my sensors are on solid 3.0, I should be good.

#

I'm trying to shift things around now and optimize my port setup - I might just shift it so I plug in my 2 sensors manually each time, at the front of my case.

haughty thistle
burnt vault
#

That way they're not always plugged in, and not taking up ports.

#

Yeah, only have 2.

#

Leaving them in is nice, but not worth the hassle, and damn is VR a USB port hog lol

haughty thistle
#

The Oculus software recommends only having up to 2 sensors plugged into 3.0. Probably to not have a too high load on the CPU for the tracking...

burnt vault
#

I've got a 5900x, I'll be alirght 😄

#

RIP my R9 390 though 😦

haughty thistle
#

It's only really the CV1 that is such a USB hog. All other headsets really only need one USB port (unless you're doing FBT with Vive Trackers)

burnt vault
#

I've got a front and rear USB C that's not being used, which I was hoping could prove useful to solve my limited ports, but the hub I got was too short and can't reach my desk lol

#

That's awesome to know.

#

Thank god

#

I'm borrowing this, so it's temporary, glad to know a future setup is less demanding.

haughty thistle
#

The CV1 Tracking is solid and easy to understand, but man does it require a lot of hardware and cables...

burnt vault
#

Yeah, and like I said, going B550 wasn't giving me a lot of breathing room.

haughty thistle
#

I honestly prefer the Lighthouse tracking in that regards as it's base stations only need a connection to power. But the way that works is borderline black magic...

burnt vault
#

Luckily, this Dell monitor has ports (I didn't know that when planning my build), and has really saved my ass.

#

I've got my Stream Deck, Mic, and Webcam on it now.

haughty thistle
#

I have the USB hubs in my monitors daisy-chained. I've actually ran into bandwidth issues when I got my Stream deck and plugged it into my second monitor. After that, my webcam started acting up lol

burnt vault
#

Hah

#

That's why I'm hoping the hub being in that high bandwidth slot will help avoid potential issues.

#

No idea if I'm pulling that concept out of my ass, but can't hurt to try.

#

I don't have anything else requiring 3.2 bandwidth, so it made sense to give the hub as much breathing room as possible.

#

Holy shit, it worked.

#

Rewired everything, everything is 3.0

#

HUZZAH

haughty thistle
#

Is the hub USB 3.2 Gen 2 tho?

burnt vault
#

That, I don't know, seems like it would be if it has FOUR USB 3.0 ports though, you know?

#

Like, what's the point of 4 USB 3 ports, if you can't support even 2?

haughty thistle
#

Probably not then. Pretty much all hubs only have Output ports of the speed they accept as a maximum

#

The thing is, these hubs are designed with the expectation that you're not hitting the full bandwidth on all connected devices at once

burnt vault
#

It just 3.0 hub

#

Best Buy listing doesn't even mention the damn hub at all.

haughty thistle
#

Stores do be like that sometimes...

burnt vault
#

Yeah, that's fair.

#

What's the most demanding of my C920, Stream Deck XL, and Blue Yeti mic?

#

I find it so hard to find bandwidth information.

haughty thistle
#

Prolly the Stream Deck followed by the C920

burnt vault
#

(that's what I have plugged in now)

haughty thistle
#

Mic's don't really need much bandwith I've found

burnt vault
#

The real issue, is that I don't have a clear-cut way to know if I'm running into issues.

#

Short of it not working, on my end it's binary.

haughty thistle
#

You'll know, once the screen on your Stream Deck starts lagging, refreshing slowly or not reacting to inputs at all. That's the other issue I had, when my webcam was working fine

burnt vault
#

Well, either way, it looks like I've got it mostly figured out. If I do unplug the sensors, and or headset, that frees up multiple ports.

#

I'm still a bit unclear what's happening with my case though, as those front were 2.0 I thought for sure.

haughty thistle
#

Well... apparently your front ports were 3.0 then afterall

burnt vault
#

Yeah lol

#

3.2 even

haughty thistle
#

3.2 Gen1 = USB 3.0
3.2 Gen2 = USB 3.1
3.2 Gen2x2 = USB 3.2

burnt vault
#

Got it

#

So case coloring aside, I've got 2 front USB 3, and an unused C.
My rear has 2 USB 2.0, 2 USB 3.0, a USB 3.2 (the monitor hub), and an unused C gen 2

#

Which is awesome, because I thought I essentially had 3 USB 3.0 or higher, but I actually have 5.

#

A touch more, depending on how capable the monitor is, and what I plug in.

#

Thanks for walking me through this, appreciate it~

haughty thistle
#

Glad I could help ^^

sullen linden
#

@pastel echo

#

I just connected my quest to my pc and got this message

haughty thistle
#

Hmm... seems like the Quest is not gettingthe power it expects from a USB 3.0 connection. THat's the only explenation I could have

sullen linden
#

the motherboard website said it was a USB-C 3.0

haughty thistle
#

There ya go. You want a USB 3.0 cable. whether it has a Type-C connector on the PC end doesn't matter btw

sullen linden
#

i meant 3.0

#

its a usb-c to usb-c

haughty thistle
#

The power is probably due to your PC anyways and not due to the cable

sullen linden
#

so what can I do?

haughty thistle
#

Try a different port?

sullen linden
#

I only have 1 usb-c port

haughty thistle
#

Can't help ya with that

sullen linden
pastel echo
full wave
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But USB A 3.X to USB C is good idea, from what i've heard from friends Anker ones are good

sullen linden
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i have a usb 3.0 to usb c adapter - its still the same

pastel echo
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Not for my system, wouldn't be sure about yours.

sullen linden
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@pastel echo my quest visuals are quite blurry - my eyesight isnt the greatest so it could either be that or is it possibly the quest?

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I can barely read some text - then again it is the same with my eyesight irl

full wave
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So i'd say it's not Quest

sullen linden
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A lot of things look blurry

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@full wave i also have trouble casting the quest to my computer and my TV

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the TV never comes up in the options on the quest app

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and it never seems to pair to my brower

full wave
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I don't own Quest so I can't tell how it works. I know for sure you can cast to PC to record, head something something ADB and I know you can use PCVR with it so that's there. But other than that nope, can't help you there

haughty thistle
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About the eyesight thingy, I do agree with amComma. Lenses in VR headsets simulate a focal distance of about 2 meters to your eyes. So if you have trouble seeing things sharply that are 1.5 - 2 meters away, you probably need prescription lenses for your VR headset. I can highly recommend the ones from VRoptician. To get your prescription (basically how bad your eyesight is), you have to go to an eye doctor unfortunately. Although some opticians also do eyesight testing in-house. But it's not something you can determine at home

sullen linden
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Ah yes! I do struggle seeing that far with my normal eyes but my headset is used by many people so I don’t think lenses would be the best of ideas

full wave
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also @haughty thistle I like your pfp

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And for me Oculus is a no-go since facebook stuff. Just, no.

haughty thistle
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Besides, you do probably want to take out the lenses every so often to clean them anyways. Just a bit of water and soap under the sink, and once they're dry, you can put them in again

sullen linden
full wave
thick nest
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also you have to be connected to the same netowrk for the PC option to show up

sullen linden
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i found the coolest way to stream to my friends on discord

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i just wirelessly cast to my browser and stream that

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very cool

pastel echo
sullen linden
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And the casting menu in the quest and press “computer”

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@pastel echo

pastel echo
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Thank you so much

thick nest
sullen linden
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Damn

thick nest
sullen linden
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How else can I stream my quest to the Tv?

thick nest
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you can cast to your phone

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then cast your phone to the tv

sullen linden
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I tried - it was very laggy and quality was poor

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I have an old Xbox hooked up to my other TV so I opened browser in that and casted from there 🙂 @thick nest

lone ravine
sullen linden
sullen linden
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Idk why people always complain about the quests visuals looking trash - to me, it looks astonishing really

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Even pavlov shack which isn’t meant to look the best, looks awesome

gray reef
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The Q1 is fine imo, but having tried out my friend’s Q2, the increased resolution is incredible. Although I didn’t notice much of a difference in smoothness between the two headsets

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I hate FB, so I won’t ever be getting a second headset, so the Q2 isn’t in my future. The decagear looks promising though. 4K resolution without FB at a reasonable price

spark pawn
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Where should I put my base station

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In front of the 3 1 1/2 door is my play space

haughty thistle
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If you intend on facing the window window that is on the wall with the drawer, I'd say the corners I've encircled green. Otherwise, I'd go with the red encircled corners

spark pawn
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The drawer is actually a computer desk

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Also, one of my sensors flashes red

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And there is like a whatever you call like wall heater above the spot you have in green on the desk side

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Also, is it normal that there is like a kinda white light around the edges of my lenses when I wear it? My rift s doesn’t have that

spark pawn
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@haughty thistle

sullen linden
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@haughty thistle there’s a little smudge on my quest lense and it’s noticeable but it can’t be removed by a microfibre cloth, what else can I do?

haughty thistle
# spark pawn Also, one of my sensors flashes red

Red flashing indicates some sort of Hardware failure. Not necessarily severely enough that the devices stops functioning altogether, but definitely a hardware failure. I'd contact Steam Support for a replacement...
Having a space heater in the corner where your Lighthouse is shouldn't be a problem. Just make sure the cable doesn't sit up agains the space heater and you should be fine

haughty thistle
haughty thistle
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I've heard of Index users with clouded lenses a few weeks to months after they used Polywatch, due to body oils being absorbed into the lenses, or seeping in between the dual-lens assembly of the Index...

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And I can only guess that there's a similar protective layer on the lenses of other headsets as well...

sullen linden
lone ravine
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Oh that great news :)

candid temple
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Anyone can link me to a vr set up I can get with 1400

flat pawn
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pretty much anything you want

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if that's USD

carmine wharf
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that can get you an index unless you also need a pc with it

fathom ibex
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Any VR devs interested in making a fps hum I'm trying to get together a team.

fresh quiver
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does the quest 2 virtual desktop jsut stream games to the headset or does it actually run them on the headset?

spark pawn
latent jetty
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I plan on using the Oculus quest 2, does the Oculus link work on the usb c port on my motherboard. (My CPU doesn't have an IGPU)

fresh quiver
spark pawn
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Per application

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But you’d find that from the website of the headset you plan to use

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Because different hardware requires different levels of specs

sullen linden
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@pastel echo

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Im about to install BMBF for my quest 2, will I get banned for it, are there any reports of people being banned for it?

haughty thistle
haughty thistle
sullen linden
haughty thistle
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Facebook has mentioned publicly that activating developer mode on your Quest is strictly meant for developers to test their games, not to modify existing games from the Oculus Store

sullen linden
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That’s on them for allowing anyone to do it 🤣

full wave
full wave
full wave
candid temple
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Dose index have eye tracking

haughty thistle
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Nope. The only Eye Tracking headset sold to consumers at the moment is the Vive Pro Eye

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Besides that, there are basically no games that support eye tracking as of right now

candid temple
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Price diff

haughty thistle
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The Vive Pro Eye is more expensive, comes with inferior controllers and garbage headphones and mic. On the upside, you can upgrade it for 390 bucks with the Wireless adapter and has OLED screens

pastel echo
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One thing I think is stupid about the quest 2 having LCD screen is the bootup menu is a white logo on a black background. Always makes me think my lens have gone to shit

sullen linden
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@pastel echo a lot of people complain about onward having super slow load times and how you can be on a loading screen for 2 minutes - I’ve never had one longer than maybe 10 seconds, new update or is mine just remarkably faster?

full wave
sullen linden
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quest 2

full wave
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ah fair

sullen linden
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Stand-alone

pastel echo
sullen linden
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Load times are fast as hell

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And I’m in love with all graphics on the quest 2

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Resolution is superb

pastel echo
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I freaking love Quest 2

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Probably helps that my Facebook account is a dead meme that doesn't even accurately know who I am

haughty thistle
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They probably do, but they don't want to reveal too much about the data they've collected...

pastel echo
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Well I've blocked their tie ins to facebook business services across all actual browsers for that reason

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It's able to see what I do on Firefox though so I browse that every now and again and send a couple messages on the platform so they don't think I'm a dead account

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Most of Facebooks information actually comes from the Instagram identity profile they have on me which even with my face doesn't tie back to my real life identity unless they access government databases which if they do that who cares about privacy anyway they'd already have everything

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ALSO ALSO If Facebook is doing a good job of navigating my blocks for their data collection they should stop reccomending I add people based off the last time they gathered real data on me via the messenger app 5 years ago. I mean damn facebook no I don't know the 2nd cousin of the delivery driver I added to my contact on accident back in 2015 who woulda thunk right?

haughty thistle
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A big problem with platforms like Facebook is the Meta-Data and the shier amount of people they collect data from.
For example: if Facebook knows your phone number, they can look up who else has saved that number in their phone book and see what kind of information those people have entered. So even if you don't supply your real name, Facebook prolly knows your real name anyways if you've entered your mobile number.
Same applies to pictures, E-Mail Adresses, etc. The concept is called Big Data. No one wants to admit that they're doing it, but it's an open secret that almost every large company does it...

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There's probably not a single human being in the "First World countries" that Facebook doesn't know. A single friend who uses Facebook is enough for them to know at least your name and phone number

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The problem I have with Facebook over companies like Google, is that Facebook tries to actively deny this, and also disregards your privacy settings. Google at least gives you the option to opt-out...

thick nest
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but other than that ez 10/10 but i would like to see hand tracking for pcvr

sullen linden
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@pastel echo do you use VR COVER?

pastel echo
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sad I couldn't get a red one though but I got a black one so it wont look dirty

pastel echo
# haughty thistle There's probably not a single human being in the "First World countries" that Fa...

And that's why you should focus on minimizing your data leaks and keeping it contained within what is reasonable. I'm sure facebook has a database that records the name [My name] and can associate that to the people who have that name with the number I use. They also have a user profile tied to [my facebook account] and the data that comes with that including my VR usage and friends I have on there. and a separate user profile attatched to my Instagram that can track who I'm connected to that has all those 3 profiles under the same individual. But until facebook finds it profitable to put the time into connecting those dots for everyone their gonna keep making money off serving relevant ads to all those 3 individuals that I represent based off their different habits and data instead of consolidating it into just me. And when they find it profitable to do that consolidation I can tell you that not owning a quest 2 isn't gonna be the stand one needed to take to stop it. By that point you need to be off grid or a hermit to avoid something like that

sullen linden
pastel echo
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Are you sure they aren't sending you just a replacement facial interface?

sullen linden
pastel echo
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I thought they had another type of foam pad that was a different material

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Oh haha

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I shoulda said my skin got irritated haha it really is just a VR Cover, oh well I don't mind sending money to the VR Cover guys

sullen linden
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@pastel echo i think it’s against TOS to talk about this but oh well..

How safe would it be to download/pirate say a Super Hot APK and put it on the quest via side quest?

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There’s always a chance of being banned but I’ve not seen any reports of it

pastel echo
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If you were to do such a thing you would want to take your efforts to block facebook telemetry and potentially put some other limitations on your quest to remain safe

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as far as "safe" Facebook has the ability to see what's on your quest and the source of such things

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you make your own calls, personally I don't even mod Beat Saber on stand alone

sullen linden
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@pastel echo I feel like it’d be safer to pirate a game onto my pc and run via link through steam VR

sullen linden
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@pastel echo what is the recommended cable speed for link? I’m ordering a new one soon as the one I’ve currently got doesn’t work with my pc as I only have usb-c 2.0 port (I’m getting a usb 3.0 to usb-c cable instead) and it only runs 380mbps.

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I tried an adapter (usb-c to usb) and plugged it into a 3.0 port but still doesn’t make a difference. Could it be a cap on my computer or is the adapter 2.0 rated?

pastel echo
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It could be all of those things

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If you have a USB 3.0 port

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Then you'll get USB 3.0 speeds

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you're gonna need to double check that your cable, adapter, and port are usb 2.0

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HOWEVER I can suggest that you should try flipping the end of the cable plugged into your adapter over

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I have adapters that only do USB 3.0 when the USB-C end is oriented correctly

sullen linden
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The cable is rated usb-c 3.0 to usb-c 3.0 I believe

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My usb-c port is only 2.0 so it doesn’t really work

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I’ll check what the adapter is rated at tonight

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but it’s just a usb to usb-c

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It didn’t work though when I plugged the usb into a 3.0 port so it could be the adapter

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although it could be a cap on the computer

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Is there anything in the bios @pastel echo that could limit it?

pastel echo
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Like I said the USB-C orientation

sullen linden
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I hope it’s not the orientation - one of the ends is a right angle

haughty thistle
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Besides what Dawreme said, the speed at a certain point also isn't really relevant either. 180Mbit/s is all you need for Quest Link as a bottom floor, and the highest Quest Link can go is 500Mbit/s.
But as stated by me earlier, many people can't even get close to 500Mbit/s before their CPU or some other link in the chain craps out.
So 380Mbit/s is plenty enough...

sullen linden
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Just looked on the website I got the adapter from - it is a 2.0

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I may purchase a usb 3.0 to usb c adapter now - would that work and provide good speeds or is it a hit or miss?

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@haughty thistle it won’t let me change to anything other than 72hz refresh unless I got a better cable/usb 3.0

haughty thistle
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That's weird...

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380Mbit/s is way above the USB 2.0 speed and north of what's required for 90Hz afaik...

sullen linden
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I’m going to try this - I could always just send them back if they don’t work and buy a new one

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Just ordered it, I’ll try it when it arrives and report back on my findings 🙂

pastel echo
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If that one doesn't work try this one

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That's the one I used before I started using VD

sullen linden
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@pastel echo isnt 3.0 more stable that 3.1 as far as link goes?

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Might be wrong

pastel echo
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I have no idea what so ever

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I just know that adapter works for me perfectly. if the one you ordered doesn't work then you can try the one I linked

sullen linden
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I’ll check if it’s available in the UK, thanks 🙂

haughty thistle
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An Adapter stating USB 3.1 Gen2 compatibility only means that it's compatible. It depends on the devices you connect it with, whether or not that additional speed is used.
As a matter of the fact: Quest Link doesn't even use most of the USB 3.0 bandwidth, so you should be golden

sullen linden
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Cheers, thank you!

sullen linden
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thats what I see in the software

haughty thistle
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I think that's just Oculus being stupid tbh

sullen linden
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@haughty thistle I got all panicky earlier and i was playing some link and it was SUPER laggy and shit - turns out i had my ethereum miner running and using 100% usage haha

haughty thistle
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First Video comparing the first Prototype of the Tundra Tracker to the new Vive Tracker 3.0 is out: https://youtu.be/dotEGANd2Tg

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sullen linden
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@pastel echo @haughty thistle

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the adaptor just arrived

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ayyyy!

worldly lily
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How would I adjust the joystick deadzone on a quest 2

solid compass
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Can i run half life alyx with a ryzen 5 3600 16gb of ram 1050ti and a quest 2?

haughty thistle
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The 1050Ti will probably hold you back in terms of what resolution the game will run at, but HLA is known to run decent on hardware that isn't even considered VR ready (like the 1050Ti or 960)

solid compass
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Ok I’m probably gonna run it at all low settings and 720p should that work?

haughty thistle
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HLA scales the resolution the game is rendered at automatically to up to half native resolution, so you won't really have to adjust that setting. If the performance is too low, you can always adjust the setting even lower

solid compass
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Ohhhhhh ok gotcha

sullen linden
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@pastel echo I’m on software V26 on my quest, yet I still don’t have messenger whatsoever.. any reason why that you could think of?

gray ruin
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Quest 2

pastel echo
lofty minnow
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dude i really want a pcvr headset but i dont wanna get the g2

lofty minnow
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is the oculus quest 2 worth it over the rift s for pcvr?

pastel echo
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Yes imo

lofty minnow
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should i get it or should i wait for a new budget vr headset on the market?

pastel echo
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You'll be waiting a while for something that matches the price point

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Get it and return it if you're not convinced. If you wanna go crazy get a good router and learn about VD too

lofty minnow
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i have a 5ghz router in my bedroom

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so i think i can use vd

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idk the wireless nature of the q2 and the price point are really compelling to me

lofty minnow
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how are the lenses on the q2

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do they have noticeable god rays or glare?

gray reef
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I’ve got a Q1, but from my very limited experience with my friend’s Q2, not really. I’d probably get a response from an actual Q2 owner tho

pastel echo
lofty minnow
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no i've only had an index

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never had a wireless headsetg

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well i mean if you don't count phone 'headsets'

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lol

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what does 'the lenses are good when you are actually doing something ' mean

hushed pond
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proly like glare or sumthing that arnt noticable when you are busy playing instaid of focusing on lense issue

lofty minnow
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is it worse than on the index tho?

hushed pond
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idk

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i only have a vive and index

pastel echo
haughty thistle
# lofty minnow is it worse than on the index tho?

I've never tried a Quest 2, so I don't have a direct comparison, but in my experience, the lenses on Oculus headsets tend to be quite a bit better compared to the ones on other headsets. If I had a tier list for how good the lenses a VR company makes it's kinda like this:

  1. Oculus
  2. Valve
  3. HTC
  4. HP
    n/a: PiMax, Microsoft (initial batch of WMR), Samsung
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During the 2-3 weeks that I used to own a Rift S, I was quite happy with the quality of lenses, more so then on my OG Quest. But both are already really good

thick nest
sullen linden
lofty minnow
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any people that own the q2 here?/

umbral garden
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I do

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Lenses are fine, I don't really notice any glare or god rays (in my limited Vr experience). They do fog up a lot though

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it takes quite a while for it to warm up

lofty minnow
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how is the oculus link and vd experience ? @umbral garden

umbral garden
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Link is fine, I guess. I've only tried it with scanner sombrero (which worked great) and assetto corsa which worked but promptly gave me motion sickness so I had to stop.

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I don't have VD

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Now you mention it I should charge up my q2 again. Haven't played on it for a while

pastel echo
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Definitely a lot better if you have wireless headphones to go with it

lofty minnow
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is 5ghz good for vd?

acoustic gate
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You also gotta look at your internet speed itself, 5ghz doesn't say a lot

lofty minnow
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it's about 700-1000 mbps

soft hound
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Well 5GHz in general should be enough, given you are close enough to the router. Chances are the Quest itself will cap out on the transfer speed it can handle before your router does, as long as it's a decent router, and you are close to it, with a good line of sight

lofty minnow
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is the 64gb enough?

pastel echo
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You guys are kinda wrong about a few things

pastel echo
# acoustic gate You also gotta look at your internet speed itself, 5ghz doesn't say a lot

@lofty minnow Internet speed is completely irrelevant. Your router can have a couple different factors to consider but the main things is
5Ghz router required
Ethernet to pc is highly reccomended
Higher bandwidth speeds are better but in theory any router that handles 866 or near it will be okay.
And yes the 64Gb quest2 is enough if you aren't buying a ton of big games or downloading a bunch of content onto it

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I have the 256 and I don't think I've even used 15 yet

haughty thistle
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Also of note is that Wifi 6 is just a bunch of protocol improvements and is not 6GHz, WiFi 6 still uses 5GHz.
Regular 5GHz is plenty enough for VD. As Dawreme said, any router capable of 866Mbit/s is enough. 866Mbit/s can be achieved by a ton of 5GHz capable routers and even my old FritzBox 7490 can do that...

pastel echo
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Oh and if you go tp link avoid their AX routers unless you wanna jump through hoops

rustic garnet
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hey gang, i just realized i still have all my oculus app installs on my hdd, but when i try to manually run the .exe files from the file explorer it quits, saying im not entitled to the game. is there any way to get the save game files and such into a new game install?

haughty thistle
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Depends on the game how they save the user data. Some do it in the installation folder, but most nowadays save user data in the App Data folder

dull tide
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I'd say the biggest weakness of Quest 2, other that FB, and the stock strap,... and the IPD.... Is the smaller FOV

rustic garnet
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what's its fov?

rustic garnet
haughty thistle
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I absolutely agree with Mobius about the FOV part. It's just so much more immersive to actually have a large part of your FOV covered by the headset.
From all the headsets I own, the Index is the only one that has an actually immersive FOV with only some of my own Field of View cut off at the sides. The G2 is slightly better then the rest, but not by a significant margine. It's quite sad imo that the Industry is focusing on the wrong parts: Resolution, Refresh rate, SDE.
I do agree that all of these increase immersion as well, but nothing is as effective as a larger FOV imo

rustic garnet
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i know, i was asking how many degrees it is

haughty thistle
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The Quest is listed with 100° as the FOV. But the actual number always depends on how you're wearing in, how far in your eyes are on your face, etc...

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100° is actually one of the smaller listed FOVs on an HMD. The OG Vive was listed with an FOV of 110°, which is actually what most HMDs have these days (G2 114°, Index 110°-130°)

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The best way to know approximately the FOV that you have in your headset is by using an application called "TestHMD". It's 4 bucks on itch.io

lone depot
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Best VR for flight sims? I don't have a budget. I was looking at the G2 but just wanted to get another opinion or two :)

haughty thistle
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The G2 is the best headset you can get for simulation games, as they often don't make use of the hand controllers

lone depot
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yeah that's what I was thinking. thanks

sullen linden
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@pastel echo could you help me quickly please

pastel echo
sullen linden
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I used sidequests file manager and it worked fine

dull tide
dull tide
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Increasing resolution probably seems like a more fun, and easier challenge than FOV.

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That and resolution just seems more marketable

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Resolution probably getting marketed harder as they seem to be pushing VR headsets as the new mobile workstations, when what we really need is MR/AR with 6DOF

haughty thistle
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Other then the used maket, you'd only get the Quest 2 in the 64GB configuration for that money

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If you want some recommendations from the used Market, you'd might be able to find an original Oculus Rift CV1 for that money. While it's does require an insane amount of USB Ports, it's honestly better then the Quest 2 in all regards except resolution, lens quality and well... standalone capabilities.
Don't get me wrong the Quest 2 is a really good headset for the price. but unless you swap out the headstrap, throw in some additional headphones and a cable or router, it's never going to be as good as some other alternatives out there

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64GB of storage. It's plenty enough for games

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No problem ^^

bright gulch
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Thinking of buy the oculus quest 2 is that good with game selection?

gray reef
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As long as you don’t mind Facebook collecting your data, Q2 is probably the best all around headset at the moment. Low cost, great specs, decent PC VR, and obviously, stand alone capabilities. I personally however couldn’t be paid to get a free one, as for a variety of reasons, I absolutely despise FB, despite my username

sullen linden
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The annoying thing about consumer VR is that there's a lot of places where Oculus is your only real choice

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The Index just plain isn't available in Australia, for example. Unless you wanna pay someone an insane amount for an import

gray reef
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Fingers crossed for Decagear to be a smash hit 🤞

sullen linden
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I'm a little pissed about the Q2 though. I bought Rift S, took a month to arrive

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Then literally a week later the Q2 got announced

gray reef
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Ouch 😬

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Rift S is still a good headset though

sullen linden
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Though honestly if there was a way to use the Index Knuckles with a Rift I'd be set

gray reef
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I’m pretty sure the Decagear is meant to have Knuckles-like finger tracking controllers, which is pretty great

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I really hope it doesn’t flop

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FB needs some competition

sullen linden
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I just wish Valve could pump out more of the Index. Or hell, even a cheaper version. I'd scrap my Rift in a heartbeat for a scaled down Index. I don't need high res or high refresh rates.

glossy cape
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i bought a oculus when my laptop couldnt actually support it

sullen linden
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Which one?

glossy cape
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rift s

rustic vector
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I just upgraded my vive lenses to gear vr ones

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Damn does that ever make a difference, its seriously mind blowing

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like the lack of godrays and colors/blacks make me seriously consider using it over an index (at least for like beatsaber)

pale orbit
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yea it's a shame all headsets can't just come with glass lenses as stock but I realize the problems with doing that over the existing type

rustic vector
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There really is no comparison, the fresnel ones in the vive for example

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they're just shit

pale orbit
pastel echo
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Took me a minute to realize what was wrong with locomotion

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Then it struck me that Ive just learned over time the muscle memory to move the joystick in ways that feel natural

haughty thistle
# gray reef I _really_ hope it doesn’t flop

The only problem that I see with the DecaGear is the price. They might be able to buy all the parts for their headset at that price, but as soon as you start to consider the logistics and manufacturing, that price get's very hard to achieve. And that is not even considering any sort of profit margin and development costs...
And even then it's not a perfect competitor, seeing that the DecaGear will not have any standalone capabilities and still costs a solid 150 bucks more

lofty minnow
sullen linden
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@pastel echo my quest just started making a buzzing noise - I’m presuming it’s the fan

I shook and banged the back a bit and it seems to have stopped quite a bit but is still noticeable..

What do I do?

thick nest
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damn why do you always get the hardest problem

sullen linden
thick nest
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you gotta give it back to support if you want it fixed

sullen linden
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But my poor quest 😦

thick nest
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the bearing is probably a bad one

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did you throw it or smth

sullen linden
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Not at all

thick nest
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hit it?

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dont hit it b

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but

sullen linden
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I took it to my girlfriends house in the case, booted it up and the fan started

thick nest
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did you hit it

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i see

sullen linden
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not in the first instance

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I did when it started making a noise

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then it stopped - kind of

thick nest
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damn it might have either made the fan loose or the bearing is broken

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because you cant really fix a fan without getting at it

sullen linden
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I don’t see how it can just suddenly do that though @thick nest

thick nest
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though it can only be that

winged kettle
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Guys, there is a 30% coupon on Oculus store, I got Virtual Desktop, Half Life Alyx in WiFi, it is just fantastic !

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Rtx voice ON ? 🤣🤣🤣

thick nest
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well the fan wont go that loud

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@sullen linden it may have been too hot

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so can you rest it then try again after 30 mins

sullen linden
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In a cold room

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Cold start

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I hadn’t used it for hours

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@thick nest

thick nest
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i see um it could be the fan

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can you contact live support

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that is they might have to ask you to give it to them for repair

sullen linden
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possibly - I’ve seen many people report this and they just get a replacement @thick nest

haughty thistle
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If the fan was making noises and now doesn't, there's a good chance the fan is now broken. Does it still make like a fan noise when turned on?

sullen linden
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It sounds like a piece of plastic from a manufacturing error is just catching as it spins

haughty thistle
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It might be ok, but I'd still recommend contacting Oculus Support

sullen linden
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I’ll check it when I get home from my girlfriends house

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but, it is spinning when ice cold - I thought it only came on when hot? @haughty thistle

haughty thistle
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Nope. The XR2 is getting quite toasty under load, and running a VR Display already is quite a decent load on it's own. It is rumored that Oculus is underclocking the XR2 to keep the heat output in check (aka you're not getting the full XR2 performance on the Quest 2)

sullen linden
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@haughty thistle @thick nest @pastel echo idk what’s going on today - first the fan, now two squeaky battery doors on my controllers

pastel echo
thick nest
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so thats not much time considering you should get a 100% good quest model

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usually you dont want to tell them that you hit it or something

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rather that it started doing so

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@sullen linden

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so that they dont stop fixing it to put it on their user

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and so that they fix it for free

sullen linden
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@thick nest @pastel echo ive fixed the issues with my current one with some easy solutions but I don’t think it’ll last thst long.

I would request a replacement, but then I’d be risking getting even more faults

thick nest
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well if you dont think the problem is big enough you can wait

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but if you wait this will hold this against you if it becomes worst

sullen linden
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I’ve got a 2 year warranty on my quest, they have to replace it considering it wasn’t my fault.. right?

thick nest
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at least thats what i gathered from the info you gave me

sullen linden
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yeah, I just turned it on yesterday and the fan went to shit..

Even if it’s out of warranty, I’ve reported it to oculus on both Reddit and via email so technically they should still replace it

thick nest
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yep