virtual-reality

[rustic garnet]

Oculus went from hero to villain real fast..

[zinc timber]

the price will stop smaller companies from competing at the lower end

but smaller companies never had any chance to begin with

[haughty thistle]

Subsidizing the price that much through user data is not helping in making more products. That's why Facebook has the budgets section basically for themselves

Not just smaller companies mind you

[zinc timber]

No, if any major tech company like microsoft, apple, google, etc. really wanted to compete at that price, they absolutely would

facebook is just the only one really going after consumer VR

[haughty thistle]

Microsoft wanted to establish a budget section for VR with WMR. Facebook then subsidized their CV1 at the time so hardcore, that none of Microsoft's partners could keep up and the budget WMR Headsets were dead on arrival

[zinc timber]

Microsoft half-assed an attempt, sure

[haughty thistle]

WMR was not half-assed tho

[zinc timber]

as someone with a G2

wmr is definitely half assed

[haughty thistle]

They had a strong network of partners, a good first try at Inside-Out tracking

[zinc timber]

I don't think they've bothered updating the wmr home for quite a while

and it's not like microsoft isn't able to make their own hardware

[haughty thistle]

The problem was that their partners were too scared to go into the risk of customizing the reference design from Microsoft too much

Microsoft focused on the platform, rather then the hardware. You can only do so much at once

[zinc timber]

Microsoft can afford to do more

they didn't want to

[umbral garden]

facebook seems to be managing just fine.

[haughty thistle]

Well, by forcing competitors out of the market before they even become a threat to them...

WMR could've become a pretty nice budget section for VR, if Facebook didn't force most WMR partners to just quit the game early...

[umbral garden]

You said you can only do so much at once, but microsoft is a huge company, and facebook has managed to do the same. So I can't see why microsoft couldnt spend some more time to do both of the portions

[zinc timber]

by producing a superior product?

quest and rift s were clearly heads and shoulder better than wmr

wmr was cheaper, but also worse

[haughty thistle]

Facebook/Oculus lived through the whole development process of VR. They took years to do the I initial development on their platform. Microsoft only really started work on WMR after they stopped their partnership with Oculus year back

[zinc timber]

okay, so?
that doesn't excuse the fact that their product was just not as good

[haughty thistle]

The Rift S and Quest only came to market after WMR was already thrown out of the loop

Yes, compared to even the CV1, the WMR headsets weren't as good. But keep in mind that the CV1 used to be a 700$ product. Then Facebook just hardcore dropped the price a day after the announcement of the WMR platform and their headset pricing to be conveniently right at the starting price of most WMR headests

[zinc timber]

they dropped it to... $600?

[haughty thistle]

It was 700$ at launch, then dropped to 600$ not Long after and dropped to 400$ a day after WMR was announced

[zinc timber]

in 2017 rift dropped to 600 total

and companies dropping price to respond to competition is... business

[haughty thistle]

At 6:04 here: https://youtu.be/VCqfs6yg2XU

I mean, yeah, responding to competition is regular business

But especially in a growing market like VR, and so conveniently timed with the price cut to match, seems kinda suspicious if you ask me. Before the CV1 launched Oculus actually had shown interest in letting other headsets on their platform, but the copyright holder of the lighthouse tracking system had a grudge on Facebook and didn't want them to have access to said tracking system. It didn't take long for Facebook to completely block hardware competition on their platform tho (shortly before the CV1 release). Only Facebook is allowed now to make hardware in the Oculus Eco-System

[zinc timber]

sure, it's their IP

it's fully within their rights to not want other people using it

and whaddya mean, suspicious
it was obviously a response to WMR's announcement

[haughty thistle]

But 400 bucks for a product that probably cost more then that to recoup development and manufacturing cost?

[zinc timber]

if they sell enough of 'em

they'll make the money back

besides, for a company like facebook, the goal is to get people into their ecosystem rather than sell hardware

ecosystems and subscriptions is where the $$$ is at now

rip

wonder what set the bot off there

[haughty thistle]

Apparently I mistyped for and autocorrect made it to w something something ore

[zinc timber]

ah

[haughty thistle]

So Quest 2 is according to Lynx, a VR startup, about 250 bucks in BOM. Include manufacturing and logistics and you're well above the 300 bucks mark

[zinc timber]

is that pricing lynx gets?

or pricing facebook gets?

[haughty thistle]

They took their pricing and speculated about the additional discounts Facebook gets based on their own discounts

They said, depending on how correct they are the BOM could fluctuate between 230 and 300 bucks

The XR2 is not a cheap SOC according to them

[zinc timber]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if q2 was sold at cost

[haughty thistle]

I could even imagine them selling the Quest 2 at a loss and recouping through software sales and user data

[zinc timber]

eh, doubt any loss would be significant

[haughty thistle]

Sony did do this with the PS3, where the entire cost was 200 bucks more then what they sold the console for intially. I don't think Facebook went quite as far, but selling something at a slight loss to scare away competition is a strategy that many consumer think might be beneficial for them, but in the long run is just anti-consumer

[zinc timber]

the goal is not to scare away competition

that's a useful side effect

the goal is to get a super attractive price so people will buy your software

[haughty thistle]

It's a little different with Intel, as they litterally had no one that could compete for a while, but it shows how technological advancements come to a standstill if there's next to no competition...

[zinc timber]

eh, to be fair to intel, their advancement just broke

I assume that if 10nm worked like they expected, amd would basically be relegated to consoles again

[haughty thistle]

At some point this all comes crashing down. But Intel sat on their asses for years before anything really happened

I don't like this kinda monopoly that is building in the budget section for VR. It makes me scared for the future of VR...

Facebook used to work on variable focal lens assemblies for VR. Now that Oculus is basically only left as a name, Varifocal technology rests as a patent by Facebook, and will probably not see the light for a lot longer then initially thought...

[zinc timber]

there are a ton of patents that never make it to market

[haughty thistle]

Verifocal technology does offer a genuine improvement to VR immersion tho. And apparently Facebook had come quite far into making it production ready. But then they abondoned what was thought to be a proper Rift CV2 prototype

[zinc timber]

sure, but they've been talking about it for like, three years now

it's clearly still something being developed

the last time they seem to have talked about it was at a feb 2020 conference

[gray oar]

Has anyone had any issues in regards to streamlabs OBS crashing whenever i have oculus or steam VR open?

because thats the error i get

[haughty thistle]

Are you usin Nvenc encoding?

[harsh niche]

really? do you have like solid colored floors? never once happened to me on my carpet with either my quest 2 or rift s

[haughty thistle]

I have a white carpet with this kinda pattern in it. The pattern is all white, but it's like different types of stitching or something? I dunno. Fact is, I never really had good luck with Inside-Out. I do get it, Inside-Out does offer benefits. But I just don't see any way of how you're supposed to be able to track an entire body just from a headset, without putting on a suit or something...

[harsh niche]

with smart camera placements and more cameras it would be totally possible to track behind the head and underneath the headset to the floor, but people just haven't done that yet

well not behind the head but like behind the shoulder area

almost like a tesla with those cameras on the mirrors that face backwards

but on a headset

[haughty thistle]

The problem with cameras is that they only have a limited FOV and resolution. You can do a lot with cameras, but one limitation they will always have is the minimum distance for them to track. Looking down sights is doable on Inside-Out tracked headsets (pretty well for the limitations of the cameras tbh), but you just never have this problem with some other solution where you're guaranteed to have a certain distance to the observer/orientation point...
That's the same reason why a macro lens can never focus on infinity and one built for focus on infinity can't have things in focus close to it...

[odd pivot]

Damn every time you talk it’s like an essay

Wtf Emanuel

[haughty thistle]

I can also totally understand why Facebook abandoned the CV1 tracking cameras. Because of their limited resolution they could only go so far with the size of a playspace. To stay competitive in that regards with the lighthouse tracking system, they had to either ditch the camera approach, increase the camera resolution significantly or, what they ended up doing, put the cameras on the headset

[odd pivot]

Yeah

I like inside out way better

[haughty thistle]

I'm more used to speaking rather then typing, so I tend to explain more little details others often leave out...

[odd pivot]

Lack of setup and doesn’t need permanent stands or drilling into walls

[odd pivot]

I’m hoping most people talk more than they type

Otherwise that’s just sad

[haughty thistle]

I see the benefits for the general consumer, but as an enthusiast who has no problems with base stations, I'm just not willing to permanently go into the compromises of Inside-Out Tracking

[odd pivot]

Yeah makes sense

But based on what you just said, from a company’s standpoint inside out is the way to go.

Also base stations damn expensive

[haughty thistle]

If even Valve ditches Lighthouse tracking, I'd honestly be willing to go into the enterprise market and get something like an ARTrack compatible headset. Just to keep my Outside-In Tracking xD

[odd pivot]

Yeah

I don’t think valve will

They also tend to target more hardcore fans

They want the best possible experience, not budget and compromises

[haughty thistle]

In case you don't know ARTrack is like the Enterprise hit. Designed to work in areas with many occlusions like in a car. It supports up to 32 base stations (I think?)

[odd pivot]

Holy crap

Why would you want in a car?

[haughty thistle]

I hope so... 'Cause Valve made a statement a while back that made that kinda unclear tbh

[odd pivot]

Hm

Well if inside out gets better

All they need is cameras all around the headset, not just on front

That will fix the largest issue

[haughty thistle]

Car companies like to try out what designs in a car work and what doesn't. With VR and ARTrack they can build a dummy car, to then use a headset to look at the different designs without giving up on the accuracy needed for proper enterprise work

[odd pivot]

Oh I see

[haughty thistle]

Another issue, at least for some enterprises, is that they use VR for 3D modeling. And for that you want as accurate of a tracking system as possible. You think Lighthouse tracking with it's lasers is accurate? Then you haven't seen ARTrack. It's like 10x-20x more accurate then Lighthouse...

Inside-Out tracking is good enough for gameplay and what the casual user might do in VR. But for those who use VR to make 3D art and models, it's just not accurate enough...

This was from a german research team, that checked how accurate the (at the time) current tracking systems were. The Test was to move the controller from close to the headset, to further back and return to the original position. They used a robot to get as accurate of a ground truth as they could:

All values are measured in millimeters

And this was from a far away position to a close position and back:

[harsh niche]

Why don't manufactures put those massive FOV cameras like on GoPros? or even those 180 degree ones they have on the gopro max

[haughty thistle]

Because the more area you're trying to cover through FOV, the less details it captures. And the focal problem will not be fixed by this. You'd still have the issue of much increased inaccuracy closer then the minimum focal distance of the camera

[harsh niche]

well then can't they just put higher pixel density cameras to go along with it?

[haughty thistle]

When increasing the pixel count and you keep the sensor the same size, the actual light each pixel get's is reduced. With digital image enhancements you'd end up getting more noise or latency. You could also prolong the exposure time, but it can lead to other inaccuracy like image smearing and whatnot. Last possibility is to increase the sensor size and lens, which in a headset is more counter intuitive then it helps. (makes the headset heavier and bulkier)
The light amount each pixel gets during a certain exposure time is also why I think the Cosmos tracking sucks so much. The Vive Cosmos uses all RGB cameras, where the image is 3x darker on the same exposure time then compared to a sensor with the same size and pixel count but one that only is black and white. That's the same reason both Oculus and WMR use BW cameras (mostly visible light on WMR and mostly IR on Oculus) rather the full color ones. To get a better contrast without introducing too much image noise or having to prolong the sensor exposure too much

It's basic physics. While phone cameras have gotten quite well in recent years, most of that is thanks to better and better post-processing, which again takes time aka latency

[harsh niche]

ic ic

and have any ones ever tried using lidar or something like how on the iphone and ipad pro use for ar?

[haughty thistle]

Lidar's are pretty expensive compared to cameras

And afaik the one in the iPhone and iPad Pro are both pretty low resolution ones. They would allow for shape detecting, but basically useless when you're trying to track something like a controller with individual light dots

I can see Lidars being used for hand tracking tho...

[olive zinc]

Is there a tier list of recommended budget VR solutions?

I used to not care about them, but now that I play a game or two with support it's grabbing my attention

[flint monolith]

depends on how strict the budget is, Oculus Quest 2 is a great option, but people are having lots of problems linking their facebook accounts and the accounts getting permbanned for no reason, a used Rift CV1 is not a bad idea, it's a physically very robust headset and is compatible with everything, the display is a bit outdated but everything else is great

[olive zinc]

Aight, thanks. Ill have to look around when I get off work

[flint monolith]

also make sure your PC can run VR unless you're going to buy the quest 2

[harsh niche]

your pc needs to be able to run vr + a bit more for the encoding

think the bare minimum for kinda playable vr is like a 1060 but with the q2 you would probably need something a bit stronger like a 1070ti or somethin

[flat pawn]

what are your standards for kinda playable

[harsh niche]

I mean I have super high standards

but most other people would be fine at 85% resolution getting like 80 or so FPS in most games

for me kinda playable is 90fps at 75% res

I just can’t stand stutters or putting the resolution too low

in other news

time for super clean lenses

[unique gust]

Help

[haughty thistle]

Sounds like a typical issue on the Rift S. I only really looked into this way back when the issue first arose on many peoples Rift S. Back then many people were able to fix it by RMA-ing their headset. I don't know if another fix has since been found.
Have you tried all the different USB 3.0 or faster USB ports on your PC?

[flat pawn]

this might sound dumb but

unplug it while it's running

then reboot

then plug it back in

[unique gust]

Ye

[zinc timber]

the worst part about VR is experiencing telekinesis and then having to get up from your desk to grab stuff

[midnight snow]

Anyone know if it’s possible to use a steam library on an Oculus headset?

[flat pawn]

what do you mean

@unique gust did my suggestion work at all btw?

[sleek marsh]

Can somone help me with my oculus quest 2, when I try to play link my screen goes black with 3 dots just loading??

[sullen linden]

do you have the oculus software installed

[sleek marsh]

Yes

I reinstalled it today

[sullen linden]

have you tried rebooting

[sleek marsh]

like on the headset yes i booted it

[sullen linden]

and the computer?

[sleek marsh]

?

reboot it

or restart it

[sullen linden]

wait oculus link is linking to computer right

im a rift s user

[sleek marsh]

yes

[sullen linden]

have you turned the computer off and then on again

[sleek marsh]

when i enable oculus link it just goes black with 3 dots loading

Yes

[sullen linden]

ok

thats weird

[sleek marsh]

mhm

[sullen linden]

i had the infinite loading on rift s but rebooting fixed it

[sleek marsh]

like how did u reboto

my specs are 1660 ti amd 3750

16gb ram

[sullen linden]

i just pressed the off button in windows

[sleek marsh]

power off? or

are my specs vr readyy?

[sleek marsh]

ah ok

just do that and turn it on

[sullen linden]

i use a 1660ti for vr

yes

[harsh niche]

do restart

shutting down and turning back on doesn't do the same thing as restarting

[sleek marsh]

so i just restart

and what if it still does 3 loading dots

[sullen linden]

contact oculus if you just got it

[harsh niche]

maybe try a different port if it's available

[sullen linden]

and that

[harsh niche]

and as a very very last resort you can factory reset the headset

[sleek marsh]

i have a good port

it says that

I tried virtual desktop

and my games were laggy for some reason

[harsh niche]

did you try reinstalling steamvr

[sleek marsh]

no

does steam vr has to do something with the link?

[sullen linden]

it shouldnt as long as it isnt open

[harsh niche]

oh right forgot

[sleek marsh]

mhm

[harsh niche]

was thinking about virtual desktop

because you need steamvr for virtual desktop obviously

[sleek marsh]

yeah

I use virtual desktop

[sullen linden]

oculus software has a virtual desktop

[sleek marsh]

but when I load up a game its laggy

[harsh niche]

virtual desktop lets you play steamvr games wirelessly

[sleek marsh]

yeah

but its laggy

maybe theres a fix?

[harsh niche]

not just look at desktop

idk

what's your specs

[sleek marsh]

1660 ti

amd 3750H

16gb ram

[harsh niche]

yeah your games aren't going to run very well on those specs

[sleek marsh]

its vr readay thi

[harsh niche]

it's because to play pcvr on quest 2 the images are compressed then sent through the cable or virtual desktop to be decompressed

[sleek marsh]

but the thing is

[harsh niche]

and that compressing takes up resources

[sleek marsh]

when it streams on my computer

its good fps and quality

and no lag

but on headsset its laggy

do u know anyone thats good at vr stuf

[sleek marsh]

Hello

@harsh niche @sullen linden

I fixed it by Turing off my amd processor

But I get low FPS

[harsh niche]

turning off your integrated graphics?

[olive zinc]

Good news is, is I have a GTX 1080. I don't think driving will be too bad of an issue, or at least my friend with a 5600xt (roughly equal iirc) can drive VR titles just fine

[harsh niche]

oh good

[sleek marsh]

Can somoen help

when I turn off my amd graphics

my oculus link works

but when I play b&s its laggy cuz of that cpu I truned off

but when my amd is on then the link wont work

[gray reef]

I used a Q1 with a i5 4570 and a 2060 (while recording with GPU encoding, so performs wise effectively a 1660 ti), and it worked absolutely fine. The extra threads of the 3750h can make up for some of the extra compression on the Q2. All in all, not ideal, but certainly not bad at all

[olive zinc]

How's the Oculus Rift CV1?

[gray reef]

Are you asking me?

[olive zinc]

anyone

[gray reef]

Oh, ok lol, you said it right after I did, so I thought you were asking me

[olive zinc]

Rift S would also be $69 more

[distant spade]

Nice

[pastel echo]

Ignoring the screen it was really nice for games

Only complaint I ever had was that dealing with text not made for the nursery book of a giant you might as well be dealing with a dogs ass

The tracking was amazing when configured great, the headset was tough and light, the strap was good, the sound was nice, the default facial interface was foam but it was nice and solid, the cables were simple and compatible with extensions. I mean it just worked

[olive zinc]

Quest 2 looks to have obsoleted the Rift S as well

🤔

[mortal briar]

i have a hp reverb coming.
i was wondering if i can use display port repeaters to have the head set work in an other room about 9.81m
it would be shorter if i could just go through all objects 😛
so i would need a USB repeaters as well

the 6m im getting from the head set is for the room movement 😛

[haughty thistle]

As long as your DisplayPort active repeater works with DisplayPort 1.4, you should be fine. WMR is very picky when it comes to extensions tho, so you might have trouble with some that are even labelled as DP1.4 or USB 3.0. So just be aware of that

[mortal briar]

I'm going for these 2 dp cables

@haughty thistle do you think these will be good enough ?

[haughty thistle]

I don't know about the repeater

The cable should work independently, but there's no guarantee the cable works as an extension cord with the repeater...

[mortal briar]

Ptshh why don't you know everything I need to know :p

[haughty thistle]

As if I have an answer for everything :/

I might know a lot, but since I don't really have the need for extension cables I have no experience with what works and what doesn't

[mortal briar]

lol

all good

[unique gust]

WHY JUST WHY

[formal turret]

😟 oh no

[acoustic gate]

reason why i dont want to buy a rift s anymore

[gentle coral]

I just remembered I haven't tried my 10m extention on my G2 yet, I'll test it today and see how it goes, if it works well i'll post my parts list.

[gentle coral]

From my sources, I heard it was facebook making stupid demands, that made valve not want to spend the effort to help facebook use their tracking method. Facebook was never banned from using the Lighthouse tracking, they had already invested a lot into their own solution, and generally saw steam and valve as competition they did not want to work with (after facebook bought them at least), as facebook doesn't get a cut of game sales from steam games. The only reason you can play steam games easily on a Oculus headset is because steam builds the support into steamvr (at a cost to themselves).

[broken coral]

my pc can do pc vr in a while

just need to buy an i7-3770

3.5ghz edition

[gentle coral]

I agree that outside in will be the standard for high fidelity VR for a long time. ARTTrackbased systems are really nice but stupidly expensive compared to the lighthouses (which are basically simplified lidar units). Outside in systems that aren't camera based are much faster, have lower computational overhead, and can track many more objects, more accurately at once.

The two times I have used ARTTracked headsets, they have been great, but also not noticeably better then lighthouses unless doing really exaggerated movements.

[gentle coral]

I think going for something better or newer the a 3770 would be a good idea. A third gen ryzen, or recent i5 would probably be much better. You want at least 4 core, 8 thread, and core speed can be a slight bottleneck in a few games for running stable.

[broken coral]

i can't just magic a different socket type

[gentle coral]

Oh its an upgrade

[broken coral]

i7-3770 is the best for that socket i thikn

o yeah it is an upgrade

sorry that was kinda rude
edit:i meant this:

i can't just magic a different socket type

[gentle coral]

I thought you were building a vr rig. Yep if you need to account for motherboard, and are either saving for a GPU or VR headset, then it makes perfect sense.

Though third gen will definitely say unsupported on many benchmarks, but I have heard people have gotten it to work fine on some headsets.

[gentle coral]

Thats not your fault, it's intels

[green crypt]

what cpu do you have atm in your board?

[broken coral]

i5-2400

[green crypt]

as with vrchat if you want to play that single core matter the most but all games have diffrent needs in vr

[gentle coral]

@broken coral what GPU do you have

[broken coral]

i just ordered an rx 570 two days ago i know it's not the best

atm i have a gtx 760

i couldn't really afford a better gpu

[green crypt]

at least it's good enough for vr a rx570 tho i know someone who used to run vr on a gtx 750ti

[broken coral]

yeah i just bought whatever i could get for vr

at that price range

[green crypt]

i hope you got the 8gb version not the 4gb

[gentle coral]

Rx570 It should be fine for most games on a cv1, vive, early WMR, or rift s. Though some setting might be a bit low.

[broken coral]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i did not

[serene grove]

the 4gb model can struggle in some games for vr

[broken coral]

i'm fine with turning settings down a bit

[broken coral]

oh no

[green crypt]

frisk what games are you gonna play?

[broken coral]

job sim and vr chat and some other stuff

[serene grove]

its still gonna b playable if u lower settings or resolutions in steam i used to use a 970 4gb and the vram greatly limited my games

but for vrc u should b okay i u use safety

[green crypt]

like i would not run vrchat on a rx570 4gb at all as you need the highest amount of vram you can

[serene grove]

it can b done

with saftey settings and resolution

[green crypt]

yeah use a moddel that is at least medium as those are optimized

[broken coral]

i wouldn't play vr chat that much anyway

[serene grove]

ye

[broken coral]

or at all i don't need to play it

[green crypt]

yeah true the problem is tho most avatars in there are unoptimized as i make content for it

[serene grove]

well no u will b able to

[gentle coral]

It should be ok on most games if you lower the in game textures, or turn stuff down.

My VR bottleneck system is a 1060 3GB, and a i5-7400.

[serene grove]

ik the feeling i make avatars but i like going ham on the meshes and animations so i am one of those optimization issues

the vram is the bottleneck

[green crypt]

you will be able to run it just make sure you do high optimization tho in vrc frisk

[serene grove]

^

[broken coral]

ok thanks

oh yeah i'd also play vivecraft vr minecraft mod

[green crypt]

i hope you have 16gb of normal ram tho as that is also pretty much a must otherwise close everthing you have open that should be good

[broken coral]

i currently have 8gb ..... but i think i will upgrade 2 months after i get vr]

[green crypt]

just close your web browser and only have steam and discord open i would say then and your game

[broken coral]

ok thanks

[gentle coral]

I definitely agree with turning off as much as you can in vrchat and not allowing unoptimised avatars as it will make a big difference.

I have not tested minecraft vr on my bottleneck system.

But yep upgrade regular RAM from 8 to 16 makes a absurd difference in some games, and allows for you to leave a few chrome tabs open.

[sullen linden]

i was playing minecraft zombies yesterday on pavlov and we got to such a high wave that there were so many bodies it lagged my computer

[broken coral]

i don't tend to have other tabs open when i play games other than minecraft anyway

[green crypt]

i would say change settings on your videocard problem is i don't have an amd guide for vr optimazation

[sullen linden]

i dont play any particularly demanding vr games

looking at you fs2020

[green crypt]

the guide i have is only for nvidia settings sadly

[sullen linden]

crashed my steam vr every single time

[broken coral]

i don't get how beat saber is enjoyable

[short tapir]

I hired a cleaning company, just to see how it would work. It was only $100 so why not. When I came back to my Oculus rift s, the cable had been wrapped around the headset and destroyed. Now I need a new cable and it costs $80 Us

For a cable that seems a bit much

[flint monolith]

same, but ive been playing it for 50 hours already and didnt get bored once

[gentle coral]

Unity already supports HDR ray tracing in VR, though it is almost impossible to run without foveated rendering and 4 Quadros in a 2x2 sli / sync card setup (each set of two cards is SLI rendering for a single eye). Also NASA currently is using XTAL headsets so you akso need to render at least 8k or so.

At least at NASA Ames, I got to try their first XTAL headset before they got it , as one of their VR devs came asking for some help with hand tracking before they set it up. They were running it off for a pretty normal Intel HEDT, 2x SLI Quadro system, instead of a supercomputer.

If people are confused about the 2x2 SLI sync setup I am talking about.

Here is a link to the presentation page-

https://developer.nvidia.com/gtc/2019/video/S9891

Some other cool stuff from GTC on VR over the past few years.

https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks-gtc

Here is a few talks from 2020 about VR Ray tracing

https://developer.nvidia.com/gtc/2020/video/s22029-vid

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/on-demand/session/gtcfall20-a21765/

Also you can already run VR ray tracing in minecraft (though it is hard).

[gentle coral]

The cost is because it is an optical data cable which is very expensive at the lengths that a VR headset needs, and it is a custom cableon top of that due to also having a power cable and needing to be split part way down.

[harsh niche]

get the company to pay for it

[dense gorge]

Do you guys thing playing beat saber is plausible on a r9 290x?

[gentle coral]

That would probably be possible as it seems about as fast as a 1060 3GB in theory, so on a rift cv1, or vive it could possibly run 90fps. Though stability might be hard on a card that old.

[sleek marsh]

Anyone here know why my oculus link goes black when I enable it but when I turn off my amd processor it works but low FPS

[distant spade]

Xeon l5640, 16gb ddr3 ram, GTX 980ti enough for vr? Looking at getting a cv1 for cheap.

[soft hound]

Is the Xeon overclocked? I know the 980Ti is enough, as I've played fine on a 980

[distant spade]

I don't think you can OC the xeon, or atleast I can't on the board I have.

[soft hound]

Ah, because the max turbo for that chip is 2.8GHz from what I can see, which is far from ideal for VR

[distant spade]

Isn't VR more gpu intensive tho? Like, would it affect performance in a meaningful way?

[soft hound]

Depends on the game. For example, VRChat and Beat Saber really like CPU

[distant spade]

Oh, those are probably gonna be my main games :/

[soft hound]

But that CPU might be a bottleneck in most games regardless. It will likely hold the 980Ti back significantly

Yeah, that CPU doesn't have the single core performance for VR

[distant spade]

It's just for now, supposably getting a ryzen 3 2300x from someone for free once they upgrade to a ryzen 5 3600. But as of right now, my only other cpu option is an i5 2400.

[soft hound]

Though Beat Saber should still be playable

VRChat will struggle

I mean, the 2300X has better single core, but it's still only 4 cores 4 threads

[distant spade]

I can maybe look at getting a new board for cheap and seeing if I can overclock a bit.

[soft hound]

I wouldn't bother, the Xeon is a little dated for VR, might not be worth the investment

[unique gust]

How do I get my PCI-e to work
With oculus set up

[broken coral]

i7-3770 are really cheap as another cpu

[olive zinc]

The 3770 is still pretty strong in older titles

The 2300x would probably be faster though

But as far as I see a 2300x does not exist

[acoustic gate]

It does exist, only for oems tho

[sullen linden]

hey i got a pc with VR ready but idk anything about VR, so what headset should i get

quest 2 ?

[broken coral]

a quest 2 is a standalone headset it isn't used with a pc

[broken coral]

pc specs?

[sullen linden]

3070 + 3700x

any options for cheaper ?

[broken coral]

rtx 3070 + ryzen 3 3700x?

[sullen linden]

wait

the ryzen 7 one

ryzen 7 3700x

[broken coral]

quest 2 is basically the cheapest vr headset i think

[sullen linden]

ok thank you~

[broken coral]

i'd get vive

htc vive

@sullen linden

[sullen linden]

ok thank you

[harsh niche]

vive is overpriced af

[haughty thistle]

Vive Cosmos and Vive Pro maybe. But the OG Vive can be had for 400$ on eBay (if you're lucky), and it's the cheapest way into the lighthouse tracking system. You get 2 1.0 Lighthouses worth 150$ each and get a headset and controller on top for just 100$ more...

[harsh niche]

think an og rift would be better

[broken coral]

it's incompatible with most peoples' vrchat

[haughty thistle]

If your Vive cable breaks, you can just get a long HDMI, USB and barrel plug cable and you're golden. Tie them together and you got your self-made replacement cable. Good luck finding one for the CV1

The CV1 is the better headset between the two, I do agree, but if you intend on upgrading to Index hardware sooner then later, the Vive is the better option, as you can upgrade in pieces, rather then in bulk

[broken coral]

personally, I'm gonna get WMR or whatever headset i can find for cheap and second hand because i can't afford anything better lol

[pastel echo]

It's called oculus link and also you can use an app called Virtual Desktop to achieve wireless SteamVR with Quest 2

[broken coral]

i know

but they're syaing pc vr

saying*

[pastel echo]

Well seeing as you said "it isn't used with a PC" that wasn't clear

You can totally use the quest 2 exclusively for PCVR

[broken coral]

ok

[pastel echo]

It's actually a pretty good experience to be honest

[sullen linden]

What do you mean by this?

[broken coral]

VRChat worlds have to be changed and converted to be used by Oculus and software. Oculus VRChat can't have some stuff, like video players.

[sullen linden]

Just play it through steam?

Back when I had the CV1 I never had a problem

[broken coral]

The reason most people play with a quest is they don't have good pcs

[sullen linden]

What does the quest have anything to do with the rift CV1?

[broken coral]

Wdym

that doesn't make sense

[sullen linden]

Are you mixing up the quest and the original oculus rift

[broken coral]

no im not

how would i be mixing them up?

what shows that i would be?

[sullen linden]

Vrchat worlds don't have to be specially made for the original rift

Only quest

[broken coral]

oooooo i thought they had to be made different for oculus

my bad

it's just the quest they have to be made for

[sullen linden]

Yeah since it requires the worlds to be more optimized

But since the original rift and rift s run off of your pc everything works

[unique gust]

Should I return my ryft s?

I tryed everything

Minus telling oculus

[sullen linden]

Contact support?

[unique gust]

I did sent a ticket to them today

I even done a reboot of windows

Now we wait

I hope mark zucchini steps on a lego

[pastel echo]

Honestly I say return the Rift-S even if it works

[pastel echo]

Here is the breakdown from cheapest option to most expensive for the main headsets in my personal opinion

Used Rift CV1 - Tracking A | Controller A | Gameplay A | Screen C | Upgrade path D-

Oculus Quest 2 (SA/PC)- Tracking B/B | Controller A-/A- | Gameplay A+/A- | Screen B+/B-
| Upgrade Path C/B

Used Vive - Tracking A+ | Controller B- | Gameplay A | Screen C |Upgrade Path A

Reverb G2 - Tracking C | Controller C+ | Gameplay B- | Screen (S class) | Upgrade Path B |

Valve Index - Tracking A+ / S | Controller S | Gameplay A+ | Screen A | Upgrade Path A

Vive Pro (Wired/Wireless) - Tracking A | Controller B | Gameplay A/(S class) | Screen B+ | Upgrade path A/B

Vive cosmos - dog ass tracking, otherwise see above

If anyone has any thoughts on my ranking feel free to say something maybe I mixed some stuff up but in general I'd say Index if you just want PCVR and if you're not paying index money just go Quest 2 if you can accept the Facebook requirement

[sullen linden]

I dont mean to litterally be my name but these stats remind me of Stand stats

Eee I want the g2 but honestly I'd rather just wait till 4k screens get even better in the future

I'm afraid of snapping my cv1 cable

[pastel echo]

I don't watch Anime anymore but I read a lot of Manhua now and they use S class too lol, I'm becoming a koreaboo

[olive zinc]

🤔

How is Gameplay on the Quest 2 lower on PC vs Standalone?

[haughty thistle]

It's already pretty good, but you should also mention lens quality and comfort in there too. It does not cover the crappy rubber bands that come with the Quest/Quest 2 and it also doesn't go into how the lenses on the G2 are a rather sad point about the headset...

[haughty thistle]

Prolly because of the added cable and latency that come in Link mode

[olive zinc]

All I see

I imagine latency wouldn't be all that super terrible, no?

I'm strongly considering the Quest 2 right now actually

[haughty thistle]

Latency isn't too terrible, but if you're someone like me, you notice it right away

[delicate violet]

As someone who has a quest 2 I’d say it’s worth it

[haughty thistle]

For me personally, the latency is a deal breaker for the Quest to be used as a PCVR main headset...

[delicate violet]

I’ve never noticed any

Do you use a 3.0 cable?

[olive zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/599803743491588117/798974001547706388/1280px-VR_headset_per-eye_resolution_comparison.png?width=810&height=456

Q2 has a very attractive resolution

too bad my eyesight is shit

[haughty thistle]

Yep. USB 3.0. and my System isn't a slouch either: i7 8700k, 32GB RAM and a 3090

[delicate violet]

Hm. That’s odd

I’ve never had latency issues

[olive zinc]

What titles do you play?

[haughty thistle]

Remember, when running Quest Link that resolution gets effectively downgraded to about what you can read on the Rift S

[haughty thistle]

Beat Saber, Audio Trip and VRChat

[olive zinc]

Gotchya. I'm looking primarily for Superhot, Phasmohpobia and VRChat. Not as sensitive of titles as Beat Saber for sure

However, you mentioned a resolution downgrade?

[delicate violet]

Oh those are all on the quest nativity expect phasmohpobia

[olive zinc]

[delicate violet]

I dont know if phas. Is one on there actually but I’ve never seen it

[olive zinc]

I imagine not

I think it has to run through SteamVR

[delicate violet]

Yeah

It’s pretty easy to set up

[haughty thistle]

Yep. Since the image has to be compressed, there's a resolution limit as to what can be transferred. According to what I can read so far, the image clarity on Quest 2 Link is comparable to the Rift S

[olive zinc]

[haughty thistle]

And I wouldn't recommend playing VRC on the Quest. The whole experience is just way too limited to be actually usable

[olive zinc]

I mean, come on. If their fancy $70 cable could do uncompressed I would be convinced in that option pretty easily.

[delicate violet]

I thought it was fine

[olive zinc]

Oh yeah: Does the Q2 still have the battery time limit while plugged in?

[delicate violet]

Wdym?

[haughty thistle]

The limit on Quest Link is how fast the SOC can decode the image. That's why the OG Quest Link resolution was limited to something slightly below the CV1, and on the Quest 2 about equal to the Rift S

[olive zinc]

In standalone it has a battery life time before it runs out, I assume plugged in to desktop has no limit?

[haughty thistle]

Depends on your PC

My OG Quest (lower power draw) still drains it's battery when linked via cable. After a 4h play session it went from 100% battery down to about 60%

[delicate violet]

My cable can’t charge my quest very well but in theory yes

[olive zinc]

I see

if it's even extended that's nice

[haughty thistle]

I assume a Quest 2 would discharge even quicker

[delicate violet]

You could get the battery backup or a small battery pack

[olive zinc]

I've heard really good reviews of the Q2 from basically everyone who owns it so it mustn't be that huge an issue

in theory*

I was originally deciding between a used CV1 and Rift S, but eventually imho the Q2 kind of obsoleted both

[delicate violet]

If I play for long periods of time the battery is usually low or dead

[haughty thistle]

If you are fine with Facebook knowing your every move while in VR

[olive zinc]

I do have like a 2500 mAh USB battery pack somewhere

They'll ban me for my rampant hornyposting for sure

[delicate violet]

I use a small Anker one plugged into the charger

[haughty thistle]

VR movement data is valuable. You can't really fake your body language and Standford University has already shown that you can pretty reliably identify a person just by how they move their hands and head in VR

[thick nest]

damn this really shows how bad is psvr 😆

[haughty thistle]

Besides, for Advertising they know exactly whether you like an ad or not

[olive zinc]

Google already hears everything anyways

I can be chatting with someone in Discord, and they mention a weird, random ass topic

[delicate violet]

The internet always knows everything you do

[olive zinc]

And next time I click Google search, that random ass topic is the first suggestion

every time

[delicate violet]

Wait that happened to me too

[pastel echo]

Personal Experience: The Quest 2 is damn amazing for what it costs and what you get IF you're okay with the facebook compromise

[delicate violet]

I was talking to my dad about aviation headphones

In person btw

Then I get ads for them

[olive zinc]

[pastel echo]

I got so used to the CV1 cable that I legitimately can't tell I have a cable attatched to my headset when I use Quest 2 Link

[delicate violet]

It was weird as hell

[olive zinc]

come on, make it less obvious at least

at that point, they're just flexing on you

[pastel echo]

I've had a few times already that I had to be Oculus 'linked' to a wall plug and it was freaking epic (how little it impacted me I mean)

[olive zinc]

Ah

I am a pretty big dude, so cables don't bother me much

[pastel echo]

Same but the rift cv1 cable always felt just a little annoying, it caught on things like jeans and shoes

[olive zinc]

Resolution downgrade is rather troublesome when tethered, but that's just another compromise

[pastel echo]

I don't experience that too much personally

the real issue is artifacting in dark areas

[olive zinc]

LCD display?

I mean hell, I can get this thing off Amazon and if I don't like it I have 30 days to return it

[pastel echo]

I will admit that while LCD display is annoying the 3% of the time I'm in a loading screen it's not much different sometimes better when in the actual games or content

Personally I also like that the Quest 2 has a night display mode and goes into orange mode

[olive zinc]

Oh, that's nifty

[pastel echo]

which remains active even in Oculus Link

I will admit it feels silly at first because the whole thing is light in your face but after adapting to it I've used it a few times for late night YoutubeVR usage

[pastel echo]

I think you're entirely right that those things are important to consider the only reason I didn't really bother putting them in is because I feel like it's up to a personal preference to consider things like comfort and the usage of aftermarket accessories or addons to solve any issues with said issues.
In my case for example I'd be outside the norm in preferring the default strap on the Quest 2 because it is comfortable while laying down. someone else might feel different.

TL:DR. Look into the stuff before you buy it, just use my grading sheet to check against the main things people might buy a headset specifically for (I know some people don't care about gaming so that G2 screen is chef's kiss mwah)

[mortal briar]

my hp reverb is not being detected by windows mixed reality.

i have the extra power plug in. and nothing at all

[haughty thistle]

Try different USB Ports

[mortal briar]

have

[haughty thistle]

Have you tried both your USB 3.0 and USB 3.1 ports?

[mortal briar]

yeah still nothing

one youtuber had to get a new cable sent to him i hope i don't don't want to wait much longer XD

[haughty thistle]

Many people on X570 have had issues with their USB ports and were able to fix it by using a USB hub which is then plugged into the mobo

[mortal briar]

i have a b550

asrock b550m pro 4 usb

[haughty thistle]

Have you tried just plugging in a USB hub between the G2 and mobo?

I have a Z370 board and had the same issue and fix on my USB 3.1 controller

So maybe it could genuinely help in your case

[mortal briar]

okay just plugged it in to a hub

still nothing when i plug the head set in i don't here the sound that tells you that something just got plugged in

[haughty thistle]

Just one more question: does the HP logo on the G2 light up?
If not then that could very well mean it's a faulty cable

Oh, and have you connected all cables? DP, USB and Power all need to be plugged in before the G2 is recognized

[mortal briar]

no

[haughty thistle]

[mortal briar]

yeah i do i even have the second power port but still no light

dame this sucks

[haughty thistle]

Contact HP support. Maybe they know more. That's all the troubleshooting I could assist with. Sorry ^^"

[mortal briar]

all good you helped 😄 i did try most of these things but its good to follow steps sometimes XD just in case you skip things XD

[haughty thistle]

You could also look at this: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/reverbg2-faq

It was linked in the HP Reverb Subreddit, so I guess it might help, but I'm not sure

[zinc timber]

Try a front panel usb port

The usb c port on my case works even though the one on my mobo doesn't
B550 gaming edge

Also make sure the cable is all the way in

[olive zinc]

[thick nest]

nice

mine is still lost in usps shipping

[unique gust]

Fuck it Im returning my ryft s

Its broken

And getting a replacement

[formal turret]

you could get a quest 2.....

[unique gust]

no im useing the ryft for vr chat

[thick nest]

no way

i just got a message from the local post office

they got my quest 2

i can pick it up

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[zinc timber]

then just get a quest 2 for cheaper...?

[thick nest]

ALMOST 3 MONTHS OF WAITING

[unique gust]

Both are 300$ plus the quest is worse and I need a link cabe so

[zinc timber]

rift s is 300 now?

good thing I sold mine before q2 was announced

[thick nest]

yep

[unique gust]

Yah

So back to best buy we go to replace it

Cuz I think its broken

[thick nest]

bruh

[unique gust]

Listen I tryed evrathing

Thats why im returning it

[broken coral]

vr sounds pog can't wait to try proper gaming vr not just google cradboard

google crapboard

[tame terrace]

yes

vr gut

vr is super immersive

[broken coral]

im so excited even though it might take me til 2021 to save up for a vr headset

after i buy an i7-3770

[visual mesa]

VR is kinda slow right now.

I'd wait until late 2021

[broken coral]

wdym

[visual mesa]

Bunch of new shit is gonna hit then.

[broken coral]

o wait i see what u mean

[visual mesa]

Decagear will be available, cheaper easier tracking solutions.

[broken coral]

i might wait thanks for saying

[visual mesa]

Yeeyee

[mortal briar]

So I got my HP reverb G2 to be detected but now I'm getting error 1-4 it's telling me to plug the USB to the fast USB 3.0 and I have.
Still not working.
I have a b550m pro 4

Right now I'm updating my Bios to see if that works just hoping the power does not go out because that would suck even more

[visual mesa]

Is it a brand new headset?

[mortal briar]

Yep

[visual mesa]

Like just got it new?

[mortal briar]

Got it today

So bummed

[visual mesa]

And it takes a usb AND displayport?

No 3rd power?

[mortal briar]

Yeah I have the 3rd power in as well

[visual mesa]

Hmmmmm

[mortal briar]

Just updated the BIOS hoping that's what was the problem

[visual mesa]

Not gonna say it's a definite, but I had a similar problem with my index where it was caused by a worn out cord.

But that was a year after I got the thing.

Keep trying different ports before doing anything ballsy.

Hell, even a usb 2 should work for it.

[mortal briar]

Ok kay

Yep still doesn't work tryed all of them even 2.0

I'm going to contact HP this is really unfair lol. While people starving in other countries

[broken coral]

i might nuy a vr headset before an i7 3770

buy*

depends if i find one

[harsh niche]

a while ago when they did the 90hz update they also updated the actual resolution that you run at

and you can crank it if you feel like getting 2 fps

[haughty thistle]

The important bit of information here is "Render resolution"

It's basically like the render res slider in SteamVR

It doesn't mean encoding resolution

And yeah, 3248x1648 is about what I would expect a 1440p-esque display to render for VR with the lens correction factored in and whatnot

Definitely not the native resolution of the Quest 2

[pale orbit]

https://www.tundratracker.com/

https://youtu.be/9NSg3F5edms

[gray aurora]

1.3x is the native Q2 res when using 90hz. I haven't found performance to be an issue myself. My 1070 ran it fine and my new 3060ti runs super well, I SS above native in steam now.

[harsh niche]

you have the 3060ti already?? dang

[pastel echo]

Jealous I am

[unique gust]

im in his streem in vr

[true axle]

anybody else have any experience with the G2?

[haughty thistle]

Well... I got one. What's you're problem/concern?

[true axle]

Mine will occasionally switch audio inputs

[haughty thistle]

Wdym? Lit it switches from the built-in mic to some other mic and back?

[true axle]

no it switches from the headset audio to either my G560 or my monitors

[haughty thistle]

That's weird...

That shouldn't be happening. I'd suggest you contact Microsoft/HP about this, as this is also the first time I heard about this...

[true axle]

apparently only a few of us have this issue

[olive zinc]

So, how's the on board audio of the Quest 2?

[snow bough]

got my new rig for vr uwu

Still waiting for the case anyway so i buuilt it into the old one xD

[harsh niche]

fine

nothing special

nice when i don't feel like wearing headphones

[olive zinc]

Aight thanks

I assume I can just use standalone headphones if I would like to?

Just pop them over the strap?

[snow bough]

yeah

[low crater]

i am ordering my Rift today its gonna be fun when it arrives

[junior jungle]

Warning: most headphones I own are pretty uncomfortable wearing them with the quest

[olive zinc]

Aight, thanks for the heads up

I was wondering if my HD58x's would work but if they don't I do not mind trying another solution if the onboard audio bothers me

It seemed like some pair of Koss headphones were very highly praised and ran at a mere $17 USD

[junior jungle]

So I’ve had my quest 2 since Christmas and it’s my first VR headset, My few issues are;

The way the earpiece is designed it gets In the way of headphones if you try to use them which isn’t ideal (might just be my headset though) and the soft bit that goes on your eyes, my hair sticks to and is a pain to get out and will like tickle your face. I think you can get different ones of those though so might be something to look into if your hair is even close to your face.

[unique gust]

I noticed that I get dizzy a sway in one place when in VR any tips?

[junior jungle]

Other than that it’s an awesome experience, and combined with my Anker usb C cable it works almost flawlessly with PC VR with the exception of it doesn’t carry mic audio from the quest

[junior jungle]

I don’t want to say it but.. don’t sway?

lmao

[unique gust]

No but I get DIZZY

Aka loose a bit of balance

[junior jungle]

Is it in all games cause I find some games the movement is a bit sickening

[unique gust]

I think its motion sickness

[junior jungle]

You shouldn’t get motion sick if your swaying becuase in VR it should look like you are swaying

Unless your playing a game where if you sway the camera doesn’t move with you for some reason?

I’m pretty prone to motion sickness but the only times I feel sick is in games like echo where you are jetpaxking in zero gravity which is awful and has made me fall over some times

[unique gust]

Its motion stick ness your brain cant the difference between RL and VR

[junior jungle]

Like your google search said, you should only feel it when what your seeing differs to what you are feeling

IE if you walk forward, but you still see yourself in the same place as before

But in every VR experience if you move forward your view does too

Otherwise everyone would be vomiting constantly

[spice verge]

the reason why i cant play vr

[olive zinc]

What do you mean about audio?

[mortal solar]

For whatever reason I get absolutely zero motion sickness when in VR

[junior jungle]

Probably due to the bandwidth limitations but no microphone audio from the quest goes to the PC, meaning I have to use either my headset or webcam micorophone

[olive zinc]

So no in-game chat either?

I too purchased the Anker USB cable

[mortal solar]

One thing that can help with motion sickness is to have a fan blowing from a direction you know, so you naturally know how you're orientated

[junior jungle]

It may work for you, but for myself and most people I’ve asked it didn’t so I had to setup my webcam nearby and use its microphone instead

[olive zinc]

[junior jungle]

Yepp

It’s a bit dodgy

[olive zinc]

I'll have to check up

a friend of mine has a friend at work who loves his Quest

But as long as it works in game, I'll be happy

I have a clip on condenser mic that miiiggghhhttt reach

[mortal solar]

I use Quest 2 fully wireless with virtual desktop

super pog

[junior jungle]

I love mine don’t get me wrong, but it’s PCVR is a bit sketchy and should be seen as a possible bonus feature than an expected fundamental feature in my eyes

[olive zinc]

So is Virtual Desktop just an emulator?

[junior jungle]

No it’s a wireless ‘cable’ basically

It just connects to ur pc, I haven’t tried it personally but people seem to like it

[mortal solar]

It mirrors your PC

and has a VR mode

[olive zinc]

I see

[mortal solar]

It's really cool

have to fine tune settings and bit rate a bit but using my wifi 4 5ghz router I get about 40ms latency with 80mbps

at 80fps

[olive zinc]

I do have a 5Gz network solution as this article suggests

[mortal solar]

yes

and you MUST have a wired connection from your PC to your router and you MUST have a direct line of sight to your router

preferably be in the same room as your router

[olive zinc]

I do not have a line of sight

Sadly

[mortal solar]

well

you don't have to have perfect line of sight

but it has to be as good as possible

for decent results

[olive zinc]

Through about ~4 walls or so

[mortal solar]

then yeah no

[olive zinc]

my phone still gets perfect connection, so maybe it's worth trying once or twice

[mortal solar]

nope

the bandwidth required

super high speeds are nessescary

it will work but latency will be greatly affected

[olive zinc]

Is there a way to test peak bandwidth over a wireless solution like my phone?

[mortal solar]

your pc near where you will be playing?

[olive zinc]

Yeah, within ~6 feet

[mortal solar]

ok

[olive zinc]

so link cable is probably best bet

[mortal solar]

is your PC wired to your router

[olive zinc]

yes

[mortal solar]

hmmm

[olive zinc]

over a 1 gigabit connection

[mortal solar]

that's fine

you can use a separate router actually Im pretty sure

So you could have another wireless router coming off of your PC

that you connect to with your quest

[olive zinc]

this is possiblity

[mortal solar]

but anytime you want to connect to the internet on solely the quest

you'd have to switch networks

[olive zinc]

Would a Link cable achieve the same thing, or is this exclusive to VD?

[mortal solar]

wym

Virtual desktop is basically link but wireless

[olive zinc]

oh

I gotchya

[mortal solar]

and slightly lower bitrate

so if you are fine with a cable then no hassle

[olive zinc]

I would prefer a wired solution tbh, but it's cool that it can be done cordless

[mortal solar]

but if you want the freedom of fully wireless

I love it

[olive zinc]

yeah it sounds neat

I just want to test pure peak bandwidth to a wireless device like a phone now

But every result is an internet speed test

[mortal solar]

Try going into your advanced settings

[olive zinc]

too bad my internet is ass

[mortal solar]

what phone you got

[olive zinc]

Galaxy A71 5G UW (Verizon)

[mortal solar]

ok

[olive zinc]

kek

[mortal solar]

go settings

connections

wifi

[olive zinc]

aight

[mortal solar]

go to settings on the network ur connected on

[olive zinc]

ahh I see it

[mortal solar]

are you on 5ghz?

[olive zinc]

Pretty sure*

Lists at 117 mbps

[mortal solar]

then yeah u see it

yeah not the greatest

[olive zinc]

true

[mortal solar]

everytime you reopen it will update speed

[olive zinc]

130 mbps, still pretty mediocre

[mortal solar]

so if you move closer it'll be like 300mbps

right in my room I get 300mbps

that is what would be optimal

[olive zinc]

moving like 2 feet closer boosted it to 156 mbps

[mortal solar]

yep

[olive zinc]

Still perfectly good for my internet usage, which clocks out at a peak theoretical maximum of 6 mbps. Like I'll ever see that though.

[mortal solar]

ouf

[olive zinc]

Thanks Centurylink

According to our modem's line quality analysis we should be able to safely support ~ 15 mbps

[mortal solar]

safely?

what is it a danger to go higher?

[olive zinc]

With reasonable signal strength

data corruption

lost packets, the like

But Centurylink has us listed as 1 mile further from the server node than we are, over DSL that's pretty big

[olive zinc]

I was connected to 2.5G pepega

[mortal solar]

pepega

[olive zinc]

5 GHz I hit 351 mbps sustained speed wirelessly

[mortal solar]

you only need a 1 gigabit link

through 4 walls tho the latency will still be bad

[olive zinc]

Ye

[mortal solar]

the speed is good

will deliver frames and bitrate necessary

but having such latency looking left and right will give you ugly black bars

[olive zinc]

Ahh

Wait the hell

My phone, wirelessly got 63ms ping

On an internet speed test

My wired 1gbps desktop got 105ms

[harsh niche]

wdym? link does carry over mic audio from the quest you just have to change the input to "oculus device" or something like that

[olive zinc]

Why is my hardwired desktop worse in terms of internet latency than my phone

using the same internet but wireless

yeah, consistently 60-65ms vs 100-105ms

[harsh niche]

wtf

why is it so high

is your router bad or something

[olive zinc]

I'm wondering

[gray aurora]

Make sure the Ethernet cable is cat5e or greater

[olive zinc]

All cables are Cat5e, with the exception of my to-wall connection which is a short Cat6 cable

My PC is connected through a router in the basement afaik however

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/y2y9C0E2kPk

[olive zinc]

So for the Oculus Link, anyone have details on the Monoprice C to C cables?

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=301&cp_id=30107&cs_id=3010701&p_id=38813&seq=1&format=2

The 6 foot version can easily handle adaptive super fast charging on my phone for reference

[pastel echo]

For why though?

[olive zinc]

Granted, that's power transmission and not data integrity

Curiosity

[pastel echo]

It says usb 2.0 so automatic no

[olive zinc]

ahh

Didn't see that

[pastel echo]

I use this cable

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FY1VPV4?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

It's pretty amazing

I have links for USBa adapter and cable extension too if desired

[olive zinc]

ahhhh I see

I ordered the Anker Powerline cable Oculus reccomended

I'll keep the Powerline, as I don't have a USB C port on the front panel of my case

[pastel echo]

That's fair, I prefer the c to c cable because I also use it to charge my quest 2 while it's in the case

And then I use an adapter if I need to use with Usb-A

Still bummed I can't buy a quest 2 elite strap with battery without paying for the stupid carrying case though

I have a case already and I love it

[harsh niche]

https://www.amazon.com/PartyLink-Type-C-Compatible-Transfer-Charging/dp/B0893RJHYV/ref=sr_1_2?crid=X3HTHTWI40GL&dchild=1&keywords=partylink+16ft+5m+usb+type-c+cable+oculus+quest+link&qid=1610682934&s=electronics&sprefix=partylink%2Celectronics%2C446&sr=1-2

i use this one

comes with 2 velcro cable things too so really handy to situate that, i use it to bunch up my headphones cable

[pastel echo]

I looked at that cable, chose mine because of the lower profile angle port

I get really nervous about port stress and port damage

My phone is the first USB-C device Ive regularly used and the USB-C port is loose and trashy, probably never gonna trust another USB-C port again

Micro USB never broke on me

(Yes I'm aware that this is the opposite of everyone else's experience but phobias are not rational)

[gentle coral]

@AestheticVibess#3231 many people get motion sick when playing VR, here are some very common reasons.

1. Playing for to lonk while still new to VR (your first 10 hours of VR should be in gradually increasing session length starting at about 15 minutes). Getting VR legs takes time.

2. If there is high latency, low frame rate, and high frame time variability, can cause your brain will freak out from the jerky movement and visuals, and that can cause severe motion sickness.

3. Putting on over ear headphones can help a bit as it dampens your balance sensitivity which can lower the chance of balance issues, as you end up relying on visuals more.

4. If you headset is very out of focus (IPD), or too low resolution that can cause your other senses to be heightened to compensate which make you more sensitive to movement.

5. How you move in VR can severely affect your balance as there are many ways to move (teleport usually causes less motion sickness then smooth motion).

6. Fans can help a lot with understanding position.

---

For the conversation about using virtual desktop connection. The internet speed between the quest and the router does not matter, and the only time internet matters is between router and computer if you are doing an online VR game. What matters is the latency between your computer and the router, and the router to Quest latency and bandwidth.

I would say you want to be within 10 feet of your router, and make sure you are using the 5 Ghz band of wifi. If you can't move your main wifi / internet router, I recommend getting a second wifi router just for use with your quest (a 70 to 90 dollar wifi6 router would be best).

To set this up, plug this second router into your main one and put it in your room where you play VR (might be a long cable). Or if your computer has multiple 1Gb ports plug it into the second one and then use that.

An even cheaper option ($50ish) if you have room in your computer is to get a wifi6 add in card, and create a PC Hotspot, and connect directly to that. (Though there have been issues I have heard with getting this to work correctly, though support has been improving very quickly the past few months from what I heard).

[sullen linden]

When you play games that pump your adrenaline and get you more immersed, your brain will adjust

What sucks is that you will never get used to people trying to punch you,because your brain thinks everything that is happening IS happening

Like so many times I scream when someone sneaks up on me in padlov or someone stabs me

Seeing my friends die from a 9 year old with a sniper rifle changes a man

Also if you have the room for it take VR small steps in vr

even if it's a big play area

[waxen burrow]

yo whats up with my cat wanting my company whenever im in vr

but then whenever im not in vr she just doesn't give a shit about me

[sullen linden]

lmfao, same with my dog

[waxen burrow]

like I remember she kept bumping into my leg while im in VR and right as i take my headset off she looks and me and then walks out of my room

[sullen linden]

I swear to god I've played like mario kart in vr chat

but when Vr chat glitches and spins you in circles if fucking makes me vomit

its endless movement with my. brain trying to process somthing that I didnt expect

It's so weird

@waxen burrow I almost punched my parents robo recall

[olive zinc]

Weak USB C vs Strong uUSB

Because the V vs Chad meme is apparently banned here

[olive zinc]

That cable does look pretty lit... Hell, if it works I may cancel the order for the Anker cable for it. The 90 degree bend is an attractive touch, and I think I have leftover Velcro straps / twist ties to attach the cable to the headset. Yes, I would like those links please.

I do have a Type C port on my rear Motherboard I/O that can handle 10 Gbps, USB 3.2 Gen 2

If you do link them, please @ me. I'm going to bed for now.

[azure tangle]

Hey guys I want to get into vr what should I get

For cheap ish

[junior jungle]

It doesn’t on some cables

[pastel echo]

@olive zinc

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083XXLW77?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00P0ES0YE?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[pastel echo]

Jokes on you I got for USB-A when extending

Realistically if you're plugging into the back of a computer you want to find products that can help achieve 12-16 feet of cable protruding from the front of your desk

Yo

Check this out though, maybe keep the power anker cable or buy my cable twice and use this

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S292X2V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_JLvaGbT6E77EY?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[broken coral]

screw all your fancy vr im gonna go buy a virtualboy

[mortal briar]

so after trying to get my reverb g2 to work.
HP is sending someone in one business day me think ahh good tomorrow then. nope forgot its Friday so i have to wait 2 days, why cruel world XD :P.
so i got the head set to well work ish but windows mixed gives off error 4-1 i tried it on another PC same thing was relieved it was not my new PC.
you would think with a 1000 product there would be testing before they would ship them out.
it took me like 6hr to get someone sent out granted the person wanted me to go through every single test that i have all ready done.
and still though it can't be the usb of the device.
but i think the guy was just waiting for the people above to give Approval but ehh now i hope on Monday i get to have a go at 2k x 2k res
and play all the games 😛

[haughty thistle]

Saturday is not considered a business day where you live?

[mortal briar]

Australia

if it then nice 😛

[haughty thistle]

Here in germany, while the general public is working Mon-Fri, Saturday is still a business day as postal services still work and shops have open

[mortal briar]

in ausie every thing is open at sat and sun but its still not business days

[haughty thistle]

Interesting

Every country is so different to one another...

[mortal briar]

yeah it would be good if every country would be the same XD but people be people XD

well im just going to play on Samsung Odyssey plus for now XD

[olive zinc]

USB-A would be acceptable, I have 2x 3.0 front A ports.

[thick nest]

lets goo bois im picking up my q2 this sunday

since they are closed on weekends

[olive zinc]

[dry dove]

I may sound dumb when I say this

But

Rift S > Quest 2

Im not saying the quest 2 isnt good

But PC link is awful

[thick nest]

does rift s have wireless pcvr

does it have 90 hz or amazing resolution

ok it might be better with tracking but not my a large difference

does rift s have hand tracking and pass through

does it have full standalone capability with nice hardware

can you change face covers for good ones

can you adjust ipd manually

[harsh niche]

it does have pass through but you can’t tap the side like the quests

[lyric cedar]

yeah

[gloomy crater]

So I've finally been able to play Half Life Alyx again now that I have my 3070, but I keep getting this weird thing where my screen turns orange or grey for no reason and I have no either open a menu or move around to get it to go away? Also, if I make the mistake of bringing up the steamVR desktop while it's in this grey or orange state, my frame rate drops to almost nothing and I have to restart steamVR

It's like what happens when you clip your head through a wall in the game, but most of the time when it happens I'm literally standing in the middle of the open area and suddenly my vision disappears for no reason, sometimes mid fight

[flat pawn]

@dry dove how much have you used each?

[olive zinc]

Ahh, the Quest 2 only support 5 Gbps anyways

No loss plugging it into a 5 Gbps port over a 10 anyways

So getting a 10 Gbps cable just sounds like a nice bit of extra insurance

Nothing wrong with overbuilding

[haughty thistle]

Ngl the tappic mechanic on the Quest is quite bad. It always registers when I plug in or unplug a headphone jack and it only works less then half the times I try to trigger it manually. I honestly prefer the "Press home button twice" gesture over the "Double tap the headset and hope that it worked" gesture...

[pastel echo]

Only issue is power but a guy like me is gonna buy all the stuff anyway because I love cables

[olive zinc]

Power?

[pastel echo]

Well depending on your usb port you'll either be charging, nothing, or decharging

[olive zinc]

Ahh

[soft hound]

Yeah, you need roughly 2A+ to keep the Quest from dying while using it

[pastel echo]

I got powered usb ports and thunderbolt so I'm either charging or stand still depending on the port

[olive zinc]

I need to consult my motherboard spec sheet then

[pastel echo]

You have to see what'll happen, the usb c port might even be better than the A in this regard

[olive zinc]

Only issue is I'm at work

Only 2 or so minutes left on break

Asus does not specify amperage on their site

x570 TUF Gaming Plus for reference

[harsh niche]

never once happened when i plugged anything in

[flat pawn]

I have no problems with the double press home button shortcut

works pretty well

[short fossil]

Nice

just remember not to mess with your FB account, otherwise they'll be after you lol

[pastel echo]

Man's been waiting on this quest 2 for over a month

[olive zinc]

Using phone to front panel, measure charging rate isn't working out

only reporting 1.6W

[pastel echo]

At least it'll decharge slowly

[olive zinc]

yeah

Which is acceptable

It's a Quest 2, which I've heard can be quite the glutton for power.

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/5Ri7ktV9InY

[pastel echo]

Velcro clutch

[harsh niche]

is that a battery?

was thinking about doing that on my elite strap with a little battery thing to help with the balance and neck strain

because it's front heavy, i have to keep my head level and after maybe 20 or so minutes of play my neck starts hurting or cramping up and whatnot

[pastel echo]

Yes

My method is velcro wrap on battery and base strap for holding it in place and then velcro strap to hold it to the strap

in the vertical orientation I don't need the straps because it's fabric which holds the velcro

In my case I might use vertical more because my battery pack is big and heavier than the quest 2 itself so having it horizontal adds too much wobble

[thick nest]

i already made an oculus account and i linked it to my Facebook

[thick nest]

almost 2 months

i remember telling usps customer service that the mail guy could have swam here and delivered the package faster lmao

[pastel echo]

Ah 2 months sounds right, I knew you were waiting when I originally ordered mine

and when mine arrived in the mail

and when I got it 2 weeks later

and now you're boutta join the facebook shill data giver upper army 😎

[thick nest]

lmao my data is getting stolen left an right

even without a q2

we get ads about literally everything we buy or see

not even joking

everything

especially Twitter

then google ads

then facebook which is unlikely

but damn Twitter got everything on us

[pastel echo]

Oh not me

[sullen linden]

twitter got me banned for somthing they never even told me

Deadass unsure if I should be happy I'm. barnes or pissed I am

I'll just use this time to not. e controlled by others stupid opinions that are unfiltered and thought out

Anyways is the reverb g2 tracking bad?

[sullen linden]

what did you rate it again

I wanted to know if playing padlov,beatsaber,and all that is okay?

[pastel echo]

The tracking's main problem is drops and inconsistency at times

so pavlov not sure because it can have issues when approaching near the headset and around hips or such

Beatsaber will probably be just fine imo

Since I don't own a G2 and just did a bunch of research and keeping my ears open I highly reccomend searching things like "Reverb G2 tracking" or 'Reverb G2 tracking fix?' or even 'Reddit Reverb G2 tracking issues' stuff like that to look for people with your use case

Specifically that reddit search

lots of results with specific issues

@sullen linden

[haughty thistle]

So about Beat Saber Tracking on the G2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qat6WddMuJI&t=21s
Other then that, the Tracking is probably good enough for most games, but I wouldn't recommend it for more social games like VRChat...

[pastel echo]

That "good enough" is why I ranked it at C

[haughty thistle]

The G2 can't track the controllers anywhere near the hip, but it does try to keep track of the controllers through IMU tracking for like a second after it looses sight of them in the cameras

So reaching bethind your back or to your hip is fine, as long as you quickly pull the controller back into the camera FOV

[pastel echo]

Is there a reason wireless communication can't occur to give more accurate out of volume prediction

[haughty thistle]

IMU tracking in general is not so great. Even with the most precise sensor you can only make imperfect predictions. But the IMUs commonly used in consumer electronics just plainly aren't good enough. Just think of what happens to Vive Trackers when they loose sight of the lighthouses...

[pastel echo]

I'm thinking more so a level of communication that says "hey just wanted to let you know I haven't moved enough to be traveling at the speed of light in front of you, still probably just behind his back"

[haughty thistle]

Oculus greatly improved on IMU tracking by using AI to predict movement, but that comes at the cost of processing power. Besides, even AI can't make perfect predictions. So that's why even Oculus still needs to use cameras to keep the controllers in check. But it allows them to run the cameras at 30/25fps, compared to the 60/50fps found on WMR and Cosmos tracking systems (at least afaik)

Talking about protocols, funny enough the Watchman protocol is designed to be easy to process (for lower latency), have small packet sizes (to reduce transport lantency) and to contain all information to make the tracking work (IMU and sensor data).
Data is encoded bi-directional, each tracking packet comes with the IMU data at the front, then the time-offset for each sensor that sensed a pulse in order of pulse detection and at the end is information for when the pulse started in the internal clock and packet size. It's a highly optimised protocol. The PC then has to make sense of the data. It's impressive how much thought went into all of this...

WMR uses plain Bluetooth to transfer controller data. But it does come at a number of costs. Like for example the controller has to process it's IMU data on-board. That and the light ring are the reasons why WMR controllers are so power hungry

[thick nest]

there is just not enough data

[gloomy crater]

man I NEVER get motion sick in VR but every time this stupid orange screen bug happens it makes my head hurt and I feel like I'm about to fall over even though I'm sitting down. It's honestly ruining my enjoyment but it's never happened before until just this past week

[thick nest]

did this happen with other vr headset

and is it for specific games

and also is your connection drivers etc all figured out

[olive zinc]

So IPD is the measure of how distant the lenses are on the Quest 2 correct?

I have a pupil index of 66, should I use IPD 2 or 3?

[harsh niche]

i measured my ipd at 63.5 but for some reason the first setting looks sharper to me

so i would say the second one

[olive zinc]

A lot of Rx lens inserts need you to specify the IPD of the Q2, so I'm worried if I pick the wrong one I'll be fucked

[harsh niche]

idk about those i don't wear glasses or have the special lenses

[olive zinc]

can I be you

[harsh niche]

lmao

[olive zinc]

I massively lose resolution past 3/4 of a foot

[harsh niche]

dang

[olive zinc]

widmovr recommends a setting of 3, I might try that

too bad inserts are like $70 USD

[thick nest]

big ooff

[pastel echo]

I mean an accelerometer would be enough to inform my headset that my controllers did infact not teleport in front of me and start floating away to mars

[haughty thistle]

I personally would much rather recommend using the lenses from VR Optician. Much higher quality inserts and lenses, are easier to clean and actually give you the whole FOV as a sharp image (unlike the Widmo Lenses which are apparently often shaved off at the sides to keep them low-profile)

[gloomy crater]

aw heck. I actually fell over and broke something in my room because of this bug. I thought that it was being caused by the chair I was sitting in was occluding my headset from one or both of my base stations, so I tried playing HLA standing up and the glitch happened, my screen turned orange for like fifteen seconds, and with nowhere to base my sense of space off of, I lost my balance, fell over, and landed on this plastic bin I have. totally smashed it. I'm scared to play again tbh. I think I'll stick to beatsaber and vrchat until I can figure out why I keep getting this glitch

[haughty thistle]

I know that with the Vive Wireless adapter, the screens turn different colors to indicate certain error states of the wireless connection. For example, I get like a dark blue screen when an error occurs that often requires a restart of the Wireless PC software to fix, while a gray-ish blue-ish screen indicates loss of wireless connectivity to the antenna (for example when I turn face first to the antenna and look up)
Lighthouse tracked headsets show a gray screen when they loose sight of all lighthouses. But I never heard of SteamVR showing an orange screen... Seems like some sort of hardware defect if you ask me.

[olive zinc]

I'll take a look, thanks

[olive zinc]

After some research I have decided to go with VR Optician. Lit.

Too bad their production time is listed as 4-5 weeks, not including shipping