virtual-reality

[mortal sierra]

anybody know how well a 1660 super or ti will run vr/is it smooth with good fps? @ me if you have an answer cause im not gonna watch this chat

[haughty thistle]

Depends on what headset you've been eyeing on. It should run VR pretty well on a Gen 1 Headset like the OG Vive or the Rift CV1. You might have to turn down the resolution or graphics settings a bit on headsets like the Vive Pro, Index or Rift S. The Quest 1/2 and HP Reverb G2 however, I'd say are out of the league of that GPU.
Hope that helps ^^

You can still run with the Reverb or a Quest, but keep in mind that you'd have to run at much reduced render resolution, which almost defeats the purpose of going with such a headset for PCVR

[sly falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/647787658986389525/793271250154815498/image0.jpg guess what finally came in!!

those two weeks felt like forever, cant imagine what waiting for the index is like

[dull tide]

I’m looking to play flight sims and HL Alyx. Would ai be better served with the G2 or just going full index.

I’m tempted to go index cause of the better controllers. But the G2 seems to get the win for pure resolution when sitting. I guess I just want to pick out a solid upgrade path

[fluid prawn]

it is pain

i waited for 8 weeks

then when it finally arrived i looked on the steam page for it and it had gone down to 2-4 weeks

[sly falcon]

f

[thick nest]

f

[sly falcon]

I’m ordering an index in may, hope stuff lightens up then

[sly falcon]

For just flight sims and hla a g2 will serve you great

[dull tide]

I convince myself that the G2 would work great then I see this and I'm like "damn that looks nice"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCrwlvL5agY

Can I get the index knuckles and run them with the headset?

G2

[sly falcon]

You will need basestations but yea

[dull tide]

So I have an upgrade path if I want a G2 for now and then get these later?

[sly falcon]

Yea

[uneven mango]

Anyone have the oculus quest 2

[sly falcon]

I think u gotta do some software tinkering to get it all synced up btw

[thick nest]

no it will work out of the box

but though

[sly falcon]

@Oh shit cool

[dull tide]

Looks like it’s going to be $300 + $+280 + $500

[thick nest]

at that point i would conisder just getting a valve index

[dull tide]

And the stations are sold out

Yeah

[sly falcon]

well not if you get 1.0 bases

[dull tide]

Nope, starting bare

[thick nest]

arent these just 5 meters

[sly falcon]

They can be had for 136 brand new

Or 100 if ur willing to go used

[dull tide]

So $280 Knuckles, $600 G2 vs $500 Index

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hp-reverb-g2

I forgot about the FOV on index

[sly falcon]

I’d go index if I was u but it’s ur choice

[thick nest]

and refresh rate

same

G2 still needs some improvements from HP

[dull tide]

The oculus would be so good if It would let me use a non RL account

[dull tide]

I’m 80% going index but I’m considering the opportunity cost

[sly falcon]

If all ur gonna play is flight sims and hla it will probably serve u fine but an index will be soooo much better controller wise

[dull tide]

Aka what options I would have considered otherwise

[sly falcon]

Quest 2 is really ur only other option

[thick nest]

yeah

[dull tide]

Pretty much

G2. Index. Quest 2. And we all will hate Facebook in 18 months

[sly falcon]

Unless u wanna wait for that sketchy decagear thing

[dull tide]

In that HL2 mod he did grabbing items individually looks amazing

[thick nest]

well thats like hating G2 for bad controllers and other wierd issues

[dull tide]

https://youtu.be/Ut1LCd50skc

[thick nest]

its impossible to profit from the quest 2 and they need ads so they take data

[dull tide]

These never took off, did they?

[thick nest]

wdym

[dull tide]

Pretty much, they subsidize the cost via data

[sly falcon]

I can say from experience, the index controllers really are worth it

[dull tide]

I was hoping that at some point we would have a $300 AR/MR experience with second virtual monitor

[thick nest]

immersion vr i think the name was

that app is actually insane

[dull tide]

Most options I see are still in VR. Not AR

[thick nest]

it can do a ton of moniters and show your keyboard

[sly falcon]

We are living a sci-fi movie I swear

[dull tide]

Devs need to work on game balance

I need to reset my skills or restore from a save point 20 years ago

[thick nest]

maybe if i can work on Passthrough

i can maybe give it a try

[dull tide]

https://youtu.be/aem6Sefzqao

02:02 are those knuckle interactions?

[thick nest]

NO WAYYYY

[sly falcon]

Yeah their supported

[thick nest]

NOICE

[dull tide]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=097CMgQChBY&feature=youtu.be

Looks like I’m getting the index. I have a 1070 though who’s seems like it’s basically minimum

[round walrus]

@dull tide sadly the cameras provided with any VR headset are absolute ASS

and even the magic leap isnt much cheaper

and its still lacking that killer app to sell it (maybe industrial that make their own software in house buys it tops)

[dull tide]

Which is why I was hoping that “mirrored display” that Linus used eventually took off. The passthrough in my experience makes it frustrating. Low quality, latency issues

[round walrus]

probably would not.. because AR is about all being wearable. (was this a wearable display?)

[dull tide]

And the video link leads to $20 Chinese crap

[round walrus]

i think VR still has to grow before there will be an actual race for AR

even haptics in VR is still quite struggeling

[dull tide]

What really sucks is the games that would most benefit from decent passthrough/VR are sims with miles of controls

So many calls for being able to mess with toggles in MSFS

https://www.amazon.com/Head-Mounted-Protection-Diasplay-Compatible-Smartphone/dp/B08B3HTWLS

This looks like it work great for Drone flying... if it works

Anyone play SW squadrons in VR? Was thinking of using a XB1 controller on it, but not sure if my 1070 will meet specs

[round walrus]

Those headsets arent usually very good or ergonomic

flip style mounts dont sit properly against face

[dull tide]

Good to know

[round walrus]

yee avoid

[gentle coral]

The funny think about AR, is that it is actually much further along then VR. the AR section of the XR industry is at least twice the value of the VR section. This is also part of the reason that VR hardwear development is so slow, as the best people in the wearable headset industry, and most of the investment is all in the enterprise AR section.

AR has not caught on in the consumer space yet as there are to many compromises with how AR headsets need to work. I could go into a lot of detail as to the exact issues as I have worked on AR and VR headsets.

Passthrough would be a good middleground but most headsets use crappy cameras as if they used good ones the headset would need another data cable to the computer or another proccesing module to just do the processing of the cameras before sending it over the regular return data cable, and that would then need to be processed into the VR headset compositor scene within a single frame which is not easy. The extra hardware for good Passthrough would be about 150 dollars in bill of materials.

Right now the only AR headset I can actually recommend is the Project North star headset from leap motion, as it has the best development community, field of view, resolution, frame rate, cost and integration.

Here is the current main development groups website.

https://combinereality.com/

Here is a video of Half Life Alyx on a project northstar headset.

https://twitter.com/BryanChrisBrown/status/1304902583069351936?s=20

Bryan Chris Brown 🚀 (@BryanChrisBrown)

Half-life Alyx running on #ProjectNorthstar,

Lots of improvements to do with the steamVR driver itself, but it's so cool seeing it progress this far. https://t.co/BP9QtFxLSq

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Twitter · Sep 12, 2020, 9:59 PM

[round walrus]

oh wow

interesting

how much is a north star headset

and where can you buy them

[thick nest]

yeah i agree oculus could have added a good COLORED pass through camera that is good quality

which could have really made AR in VR very easy

and worth it

[thick nest]

looks very promissing

and i think could be finallyyyy a compitetor to the VR market its just been Oculus and valve mostly

besides PSVR ofc

HP isnt really a Valve index competitor tbh its more like a quest 2 pcvr killer

bc if you want hand tracking or good controllers it would be the same price as an index

[vapid depot]

this should work for a quest 2 right?

[thick nest]

yep

[haughty thistle]

Turns out you can use Nvidia Broadcast instead of a Greenscreen to make BeatSaber MR videos...

[dull tide]

Turns out my IPD is 60-62.2

No wonder so many fixed headsets felt so wrong

[spare dagger]

Does anybody know if I can play vr smoothly on a gtx 1060 with 3gb vram and an i5 7400 and 16 gb ram?

[haughty thistle]

The GPU probably has enough horses to run VR on something like the OG Vive or Rift CV1, but might not have enough VRAM to run VR on all modern titles

Generally speaking you want at least 4GB of VRAM for modern VR titles

[thick nest]

well i think you can do it

lowspecgamer has tons of mods for alot of games

that will turn down the resolution and quality

i highly recommend it

he has a youtube channel

he can run half life alyx on an apu

[sly falcon]

apu?

[thick nest]

yeah

[dull tide]

Then again just because you can doesn’t mean you should

Integrated

[sly falcon]

awesome processing unit?

ohh ]

[thick nest]

that means you can still enjoy vr on a budget

[sly falcon]

damn thats insane

[thick nest]

its the integrated graphics

for a 3400g i think

or 3200g

[dull tide]

That’s the meme on the comments section, lol

[thick nest]

i think he got 50fps on half life alyx

imagine what he can do with other games like beat saber

90+ fps probably

[dull tide]

On a cheap MR IIRC

[thick nest]

then you had probably maxed out your headsets Refresh rate

[dull tide]

If there’s one thing that source does well it’s Optomization

[thick nest]

well i would stay away for VRchat with that 1060

[dull tide]

I feel like the killer app for VR right now is VR chat

[thick nest]

but maybe you can find major hacks to disable alot of the stuff

[thick nest]

ik he can play it but at a major sacrifice of shadows good textures avatars realtime lighting etc

[dull tide]

depth perception while trying it on cardboard sold me on VR. even if i didnt have 6dof

[thick nest]

yeah

and i think as long as its playable he can get some of the expierence of playing vr

like i can get that same 1060 3gb get a phone some 3dof controllers or even phones

fire up some software

and play games like google earth

or games that dont depend on 6dof tracking so much

since the Driver4vr app which takes PSVR motion controllers/Joycons/phones and track rotation and tries to make up for positional movement

[spring pebble]

Hey I’m trying to build a computer to play Minecraft vr it will be the first computer I have built

[thick nest]

whats the budget

for the setup

[spring pebble]

My friends have offered me some parts like a i5 7600k

[thick nest]

including the vr headset

[spring pebble]

Would that even be worth buying

I have a quest 2

[thick nest]

oh so whats the budget for the pc

[spring pebble]

Like 600

Ig lol

[thick nest]

thats good i think

[spring pebble]

The cheaper the better tbh

[thick nest]

lol

i'll try

[spring pebble]

Ooo ok what ever that mean lol

[thick nest]

there is one thing tho

GPU prices have inflated a ton

so i would recommend waiting a couple months until everything calms down again

or you can buy right now but like i said its higher than the price you might be paying after a few months

[spring pebble]

My friend is offering me a Nvidia Geforce gtx 1060 3gb EVGA SC Gaming for the low

Could that be good enough?

[thick nest]

no i wont recommend that

you wont even come close to full resolution with that quest 2

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZTKnL

thats the part list for the pc

yes i know i cant go lower without sacrificing the performance and by alot

and its better this way so that you wont have to upgrade in the future

but i would change one thing if your gonna wait a couple months

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdVVfP

[thick nest]

if you wait with this part's list you will probably fit your 600 dollar budget

but that is after a few months

[spring pebble]

Hmmm ok I have a lot to think about

Thanks for you’re help @thick nest

[thick nest]

no problem

also keep in mind you can go used

i've seen 1070's less than 1/3 the price

200 dollars i thin

and used ryzen 5's

[spring pebble]

My friend has offered me a i5 7600k and an ASUS Z270-E motherboard for 150

So I think for sure I want to take that deal cause it seems like a very good deal

U think it could be possible to run Minecraft vr with those parts well?

[nova star]

depends on the gpu

[swift depot]

So, I recently got Valve®️ Index™️ Controllers, and I have small hands, so my pinky will either (depending on what SteamVR wants to do):
Act as my 90% of my ring finger going down, then the other 10% is controlled by my actual ring finger
Register as my pinky, and 90% of my ring finger
Not register at all

Can anyone help me?
Thanks.
(moved from #tech-support )

[thick nest]

yes i would take that

but just lemme check if its supported

yes it should be supported

i would get that with the 1660 super

dammit if the prices werent inflated you could have gotten a 2060

[spring pebble]

Dang that stinks why r they inflated rn?

Lack of supply?

[thick nest]

yeah

[spring pebble]

Ugh idk what to do

I just want to play Minecraft be so bad 😂😂

[thick nest]

i'd recommend buying all the parts

and waiting until gpu prices come down or just buy them all togther

[spring pebble]

Yeah I think I can wait 2 months to play I’ve tried once already

I think I’ll end up buying my friends graphics card for the time being

Thanks again

[thick nest]

i really dont recommend it

your not going to be running at the resolution or full fps

i think 1080 or 720 max

bc 3 gigs isnt much

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HNRcBc

you can probably get the whole system for 600

if you dont need the full 2.2tb i can make 500 but its gonna be cheaper

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g4KwDc

if you get the parts from your friend you'll be right on the budget

[dull tide]

I feel like the best upgrade path is the mix maxer once you got a system

I’m considering min maxing by getting index now and getting a 3080 later. Already got a 3440x1440 120 hz panel

Going to use my stimulus check for it

[azure wing]

Just got a quest 2 - amazing upgrade over the og rift

[steady idol]

psvr or oculus???

[pastel echo]

Oculus

[crisp nymph]

Oculus

[lofty minnow]

any new headsets coming out?

[pale orbit]

DecaGear eventually maybe

[lofty minnow]

is that for consumers?

[pale orbit]

https://www.deca.net/decagear/

$449 if you believe them

may 2021

the headset is real, everyone thought it was fake when word of it first came out, but the question is can they really hit that price point

[haughty thistle]

$449 is pretty much the BOM. There's no way they can sell it for that price considering manufacturing, Logistics, development...

[lofty minnow]

those seem like false promises for 449$

maybe theyll pull off some oculus2 bs

[haughty thistle]

The headset is real, the company is legit, it's just the price that is sketchy AF...

[pale orbit]

or they sell the first batch at that price, it generates hype/reviews then the price goes up to the real thing

[haughty thistle]

Maybe they're running out of funds as we speak, and they hope to be bought by some bigger company like Oculus was way back when...

[lofty minnow]

what are the specs

like fov and res

wait no, ik res

whats the fov

[pale orbit]

2160x2160 per eye

[haughty thistle]

2160x2160 res per eye, Eye and face tracking, Full 5-finger hand tracking controllers

[pale orbit]

90hz

[haughty thistle]

No mention of FOV yet tho

Lenses look to be a similar shape as the Reverb G2

[lofty minnow]

too good to be true

[pale orbit]

it's probably using the same displays as the G2

[haughty thistle]

While the Render does have a slider, presumably for IPD adjustment, the same render also shows basically no room for the lenses to move for IPD adjustment

[pale orbit]

doubtful the lenses are the same as valve helped HP with those

the price is way off yea, the headset is real however

they claim the BOM is actually $200 for them

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/76183/deca-can-actually-make-profit-on-decagear-1-components-cost-200/index.html

[lofty minnow]

any wireless adapter?

[pale orbit]

not stock

they say they will offer one you can buy separate

but then valve made the same claims for index

[lofty minnow]

will it be steamvr supported?

[pale orbit]

it looks like they are basically trying to do what IBM did with the first PC's.

everything in the guts is off the shelf more or less

I think it's only a steamvr headset not wmr

[haughty thistle]

Knowing exactly what the BOM is, still doesn't mean anything for the cost of a final unit. Manufacturing, Development and Logistical costs still have to be factored in. And in many cases these are what make up the majority of a products price. I'm still doubtful they can hit the supposed $449 price mark at a profit...

[pale orbit]

I doubt it as well, but in the small chance they do, it will be "the" pcvr headset to get

[haughty thistle]

Even about that I'm doubtful

[pale orbit]

that all depending on how well it can track/image quality etc

[haughty thistle]

They don't have any sort of proper audio solution built-in (even if it's just built-in speakers like on Oculus, those aren't properly immersive), Inside-Out Tracking continues to be something that I kinda hate to use, there are decent solutions out there, but nothing ever comes as close as a proper Outside-In tracking system and lastly Face Tracking is forth nothing without game support. Seeing how quickly games are implementing support for the G2 controllers, or rather lack there of, makes me doubtful that the "Deca FaceFlow" stuff will be at all useful in many games thoughout 2021...

Even now there are tons of games without support for the Index controllers...

[pale orbit]

I'll wait for vr reviewers to get early samples see what they say

[haughty thistle]

Even then I'd still be doubtful. They could use that as like a last opportunity as a hype machine, only to jank the price up right before release. And even if they deliver for that price, there are many startup products out there that have quickly turned into paperweights because the company behind those products went bye-bye shortly after initial shipments...

But then again, I'm someone who generally doesn't trust startups, unless they've proven to be stable

[mortal sierra]

How well can a 2060 run VR on a quest 2? I've heard better things about it (@ me)

[dull tide]

I like that Facebook is pushing VR.

The fact that they gobbled up Oculus though.

Theres a reason why I dont want to associate my REAL profile with my facebook profile...

I dont know about other people but knowing the internet I hate the idea of gamers and 'IRL' being on the same profile. For one, imagine your boss finding out how much you game.

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, the reason Facebook is pushing the low end of VR so much is because it's a money pool of data for them. Why else do you think they're going so much for the low end market and are also going standalone for consumers...

[dull tide]

remember that shitshow of zucc trying to combine that one hurricane disaster in haiti with pushing VR.

"look how much these people are suffering in 360 vision"

[dull tide]

Is there any deals or promotions in the past on ordering an index?

or is the 'get alyx for free' the best of it. or say double dipping into rewards.

[pale orbit]

steamdb says the price has never changed

[leaden ruin]

when i heard oculus was gonna make facebook a required thing i immediatly made a account

didnt have a headset back then

but i wanted to not have a link between oculus and FB account

[gloomy crater]

Wasn't there recent news about a new standalone HTC headset coming to combat Facebook's monopoly on the PC-less VR space? That's the kind of news I'm looking forward to this year

[dull tide]

dang, should have realized that getting a steam vr would result in me getting into a queue. not a 'order and then wait'

[gloomy crater]

Yeah, that's the one thing about getting an index that I wish they would make a bigger deal about telling people. I didn't know until the day I already had all the money saved up, and by the time my order was ready, I had doubled the amount of money I saved

[pale orbit]

well at least you could get a better gpu to drive it then ;p

[pastel echo]

I been using my headsets on 68mm Ipd because it felt right and my friend has a phone app that measured my Ipd as 68 so that was cool justification

[waxen burrow]

yo uh

is this good

good space?

chair for scale

its around 1x1 metres, i wanna know if i can expand it

how can i expand this

btw theres a ladder because i have a loft bed

[thick nest]

i guess you can make it work

i would recommend to put a small mat just to feel where you are without taking off the headset

[waxen burrow]

ok

[zinc timber]

kinda iffy

I'd be worried about the ladder

[thick nest]

yeah same

and gaurdian boundaries

[dull tide]

just placed an 'order' for the valve index and it looks like its a wait list. anyone know how long it might be?

[narrow ginkgo]

21 days I think

[dull tide]

https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-index-stock-check-headset-availability-shipping-countries/

not sure how accurate this list is.

[thick nest]

why is it soooo slow

can you switch shipping methods

like DHL or fedex

[slender bloom]

which GPU is better for VR Sapphire Nitro RX 470 8GB or the MSI Armour RX 580 8GB OC?

[thick nest]

rx580

i think

it should be better

check userbenchmark just to make sure

[vapid depot]

580

[vapid depot]

userbenchmark is the definition of trash

It’s not a reliable source they keep changing their methodologies to get the result they want and will fight reviewers that call them out for it

[slender bloom]

cus i got the 580 but its meant to be VR read y and alot better than the 470 yet its worse on VR

[fathom sigil]

Rip Japan

[pale orbit]

https://www.techpowerup.com/276536/tundra-labs-preparing-to-launch-cheaper-vive-tracker-alternative

[blazing patio]

so MSFS is VR now

thats insane

i thought of that, but never thought they'd add it themselves

[thick nest]

well people had 3080's that cant run itt

sooo its just for people with high high high end pc's

[blazing patio]

ik but its worth a shot at least

i might get 5 fps on my 2070

thats all i need

[thick nest]

all you need before getting a head ache

[gloomy crater]

I have given up on waiting for a 6800XT to come down in price. It's been two months since I've played half life alyx and I'm tired of this horrible GPU. I've decided I'm gonna try and get my hands on a 20 series card so I can use the NVENC encoder. Hopefully the switch from AMD to Nvidia software won't be too jarring.

I hope there aren't any major VR releases any time soon that will suddenly require more than 8gb of vram

[thick nest]

well medal of honor has already been released

so i think you should be ok

[haughty thistle]

Well... as long as you don't have a Reverb G2, you should be fine...

[harsh niche]

i'm just waiting until they do the 12gb 3080 or whatever it was I can't even remember

[gloomy crater]

Man I'm losing my mind over here. I currently run a super old graphics card. I have been 'waiting' for a new card for literal months at this point. If one more person tells me to wait until the new cards drop in price, I'm straight up throwing this PC out the window. I need a new card. There are lots of used RTX2K cards on facebook marketplace in my area, but everyone keeps telling me not to buy them, so I have no idea what to do anymore. Everyone keeps telling me what not to do, rather than what TO do, other than 'wait', which is not an option at this point. It's driving me crazy.

[harsh niche]

or a "3070 super"

[gloomy crater]

I just wanna play VRChat with my sister who I haven't seen in months. This shit is i n f u r i a t i n g

[harsh niche]

I just watch these things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3UlT5UDRC8

[gloomy crater]

So do I. But even if there's stock, it doesn't mean that the card is selling for the correct price. There could be stock for a ton of cards and it wouldn't matter if they're all $1000

[harsh niche]

they make a sound when something comes back in stock so just leave it running in the background

o

usually newegg is the right price, I saw when they dropped some 3080's and I went on there and it was normal

[gloomy crater]

I keep getting told 'just make it to march and you'll be able to order a 6800XT for MSRP off of amazon' but I got my heart ripped out earlier this month because I made a beatsaber compilation video last year, and my grandma liked it so much that she asked me to make another one as a christmas gift. She was asking for the ability to watch her grandson play video games as a christmas gift and I had to look her in the eyes and tell her I couldn't do it because my graphics card can't record and run games at the same time. It destroyed me man. This whole hardware lottery crap is wreaking havoc on my mental health

[harsh niche]

:(

these companies need to get their shit together

it's not like this is a rare occurrence, it happens pretty much every year a new, good gpu comes out

like how could they not see this coming

[pastel echo]

I just got the 2K series cuz fuck it I can't afford a 4K tv anyway. I hope things will go your way soon though @gloomy crater even if times are tough now it will in time find a way to work and you'll have even greater times. Wishing you luck bro hope it'll all come together nicely for you

[haughty thistle]

Well yeah...

The new GPUs are all on nodes so small that they yields just aren't high enough for the Demand that the companies are facing

So it's either wait, be lucky, pay up or get a last generation product

Pick whatever is the best in your opinion

I got lucky, but it was right after Nvidia switched Retail partner here in germany, so not all bots were yet looking for the 3090 on that retailer. Prolly the only reason I was able to get one...

[gloomy crater]

I'm perfectly happy with buying a 2080 super for $525 and selling it for $400 when 6800XTs are available, but everyone seems to think that's the worst idea on the planet and my house will explode if I do it

[haughty thistle]

It's not really too bad. If you're fine with getting an old card, so be it. These cards didn't suddenly get unusable with the release of the new GPUs...

[gloomy crater]

My other option is buying a new case and cooler so that I don't have enough money for a card, so that I can't be tempted.

[harsh niche]

I just hate that even with a 2070 my vr games still stutter and I've tried pretty much everything I can think of to fix it. It's not like it's an old card, and it's not like i'm getting bottlenecked by my cpu or anything, i just don't know. people with older gpu's and the same headset as me don't lag at all and say it's great

i personally would continue saving money while waiting for the gpu's to normalize, and then redo my entire pc, case, gpu, cpu, everything

[haughty thistle]

Might have to do with the Image encoding, the stutters you're facing @harsh niche

[harsh niche]

a guy with a 1080ti (roughly the same as a 2070, maybe a tiny bit better) plays Phasmophobia just fine on the same headset, idk how

[haughty thistle]

The 1080Ti has more VRAM. Did you check the VRAM usage on your system?

[harsh niche]

oh right forgot about that

[haughty thistle]

I know with my G2, I run at above 50% VRAM usage on a 3090 at 100% resolution, so above 12GB of VRAM

[harsh niche]

i'll have to watch that

plus even with a pretty hefty overclock I only got like 5fps more when other people made it out to be monumental

[haughty thistle]

Besides, the 1080Ti is performance wise more on the level of a 2080. The 2070 is comparable to a 1080 non-Ti

[harsh niche]

I mean my fps is fine, i'm not running out of gpu memory, but I just stutter randomly and quite often even on basic games like "I expect you to die"

and by fine I mean maxing out 90

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, probably a bottle neck somewhere between the Compositer and the decoder on the Quest 2

My guess is probably the encoder

[harsh niche]

hm

oh well

unless I want to reset my pc (no lmao) i'll just have to live with it

[haughty thistle]

It could also be Oculus Home, as I did notice the occasional hiccup with my CV1 while running SteamVR

[harsh niche]

I made sure I have oculus home closed out

and I mainly use virtual desktop which I found to look better than link for some reason, less fuzzy

most of the time oculus software doesn't even open when using VD

[haughty thistle]

Hmm...

If you#re using VD, it could also be Network packet loss and whatnot

Well... more likely routing mishaps, but they can appear as packet loss in UDP applications like VD...

[harsh niche]

idk how that could be

I had my pc wired by ethernet directly to my mesh system that's like 2 feet away, 5ghz and all

[haughty thistle]

mesh system
Could very likely be the culprit

[harsh niche]

now I moved my modem upstairs so it's connected into there, idk if that would affect it besides higher latency by like 1ms lol

[haughty thistle]

UDP applications like simple network setups, like PC plugged into Router, target connected to router, Internet connected to router and nothing else

It might be that the Quest sometimes jumps to a different Wifi point and that could cause these stutters

[harsh niche]

oh really

hm

idk if my dad would let me set up another router up here, we have like 4 in the garage

one that isn't mesh

[haughty thistle]

I went as far as top remove my main router from my quest and gave my VD router a separate SSID, to ensure the quest connects to that one..

I mean, whether or not the router supports mesh doesn't matter, the question is rather whether it's part of one or not

[harsh niche]

nono, it would be directly connected to the modem, so it would be- my pc --> modem --> new router --> quest

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, that would be an ideal setup

[harsh niche]

instead of now- my pc --> modem --> back over to the mesh thing next to me --> quest

[haughty thistle]

For most applications Mesh systems are pretty great, but I guess for low latency UDP applications like VD, they are highly in-advisable. So if you can switch it probably will help against the stutters, and if not, then it's probably an Encoder Bottleneck

[harsh niche]

hope it's that

although I just remembered there's a thing that shows now the latency in each step, game, encoding, network, decoding

I can toggle that and try to see what's going on

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, that'll probably clarify things

[pastel echo]

Remembered my dad works for a telecommunications company. Free 5g router in bound

[sullen linden]

Hey all, considering getting a Valve Index. It's kinda pricey though. Is it worth it? Also, is there alternatives with a more attractive price? Trying to avoid facebook/oculus.

[pastel echo]

Do you know what kind of VR content you want to consume?

[lofty minnow]

i miss my vr headset

[pastel echo]

I miss my rift because tracking was epic

[glossy rapids]

does anyone know how to setup Payday 2 with vr?

[sullen linden]

Games, mostly. Beat saber is one of my favorites, (ik, cliched) but I also like some occasional Pavlov, and am looking to do No Man's Sky, MS Flight Sim, and a wee bit of VRChat

[inner oak]

is this ok?

[harsh niche]

what

[sullen linden]

I don't see the issue?

[thick nest]

the circles on the lens?

if so yeah

[thick nest]

well there is the g2 though the controllers are the weak point for it

and also you need a pretty powerful pc to run it

other than that the cheaper option is the quest 2

which is the cheapest 6dof headset yet is verryy bang for the buck

but if your budget is up to valve index

i would just get an index

[gloomy crater]

the problem with the VR industry right now is that sometimes you can't help but recommend the index

If someone doesn't wanna go ultra low end like the quest 2, or wants to avoid facebook data farming, then pretty much your only options are to tell someone to get a G2, in which the buyer is compromising on the tracking quality and the controllers, telling someone to go HTC, which is universally agreed to not be worth the price they're charging, or to go with an Index, which the only downside is the resolution, but other than that is best in class in nearly all categories and overall worth the price

I have big hopes for this year and the Decagear headset, as well as whatever HTC are unveiling at CES

[inner oak]

i love my quest 2 i dont mind my facebook being on it

[thick nest]

yeah i agree

but isnt it just better if i tell him all choices

maybe he doesnt need hand tracking

and that good controller tracking

then a good choice would be the g2

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, the Index is the best consumer option out there (best overall package)
The Reverb G2 is more for people who are more interested in Simulation games, or are willing to get more technical by getting lighthouses and Index controllers
And the Quest 2 is for people who don't mind Facebook knowing their deepest secrets and just want a solution that is cheap and works

I did recently get a Vive Pro and do intend on putting a wireless adapter on it once my next Paycheck comes in, but I gotta say, unless you really want compromise free wireless VR, the Vive Pro just isn't really worth the extra price over the Index...

[thick nest]

we need ltt staff to pin this

so that we dont keep saying the same thing each time somebody askes

[thick nest]

valve needs to get shipping fixed

its the best vr headset on the market

litterally everything else ships faster

oh yeah

its not fun to wait this long

especially when it shouldnt take that long

[haughty thistle]

Well... I regret to inform you, but that's true for all major sought after technology products in recent times...

[thick nest]

well its something they should have fixed right away

probably increased their sales

if they'd do that

[haughty thistle]

Funny enough, when the Index was originally announced, Valve management thought the Index won't sell many units at all. They didn't even intend on giving any teasers and instead originally just wanted to drop the headset as "Order Now" on Steam from one day to the next...

We all know how it actually happened, and they were surprised by both the pre-order as well as Christmas sales. They received multiple times of what they anticipated, and Valve is still playing Catch-Up today from that initial Sales boost on last years christmas

[sullen linden]

Valve Index would be the best option imo, if needed, I can wait in the order queue. I almost ordered it twice but chickened out when steam sent me the “confirm payment details” email. I had an original quest but sold it, so probably not going with Facebook. G2 seems like a good compromise. I’m definitely gonna look into saving up for the Index, it seems like the best option atm.

[haughty thistle]

The G2 controllers are definitely a step-up from the original WMR controllers, but they require native support from games, or they won't work well... Besides that, for social VR applications like VRchat, the G2 controllers are basically the worst option you can take. So depending on your needs, you should probably pick accordingly

It is possible to use Index controllers with the G2, but it's not as good as when you use the controllers with the index, as you loose the Guardian Tragger for the hands...

[sullen linden]

Yeah

I’m definitely going to go with the index if I can scrape together $1000

[odd pivot]

Or just wait a bit for all the new PCVR headsets coming

Cheaper and better

[thick nest]

yeah there is good potiential for vr headsets in 2021

[pastel echo]

Me when the next headsets come out
Hmm rather expensive surely if I wait for when the next VR headsets come out it'll be better and cheaper
Repeat

[haughty thistle]

I wouldn't be so sure. Yes, VR technology is currently advancing at a pace almost as fast as CPUs were in the 90s, but other then Oculus (and maybe in the business sector like Varjo), I haven't really seen any other company push out new VR headsets every single year

Besides, most advances have been made in display technology. Not really a reason for me to upgrade...

then again, I might just grab it if I see a use for it in my collection xD

[flat pawn]

As a rift s owner I'm way more interested in getting an index 2 or other next generation VR headset vs getting a quest 2

[pastel echo]

Sold rift for Quest 2

Some tracking capability was lost but the experience overall is much better

[zinc timber]

also it's like
$500

[haughty thistle]

Well, more like 600$. 300$ for the Index Controllers and then another 300$ for the lighthouses. I'd encourage people to get ones from Valve as they come with a stand/wall/ceiling mount included, as well as a way longer cable and are 2.0 (so do support more then just 2 lighthouses)

Granted, if you can find the 1.0s for much cheaper somewhere else, then that is probably the better option. Where I live, all of HTC's stuff (except the Cosmos elite HMD only for some reason) never get discounted, so 150€ for a single HTC 1.0 lighthouse plus shipping or 160€ for a single Valve 2.0 lighthouse including free shipping...

[harsh niche]

is there any way to fix in the quest 2 my movement sometime like wobbling? maybe I need to turn on more lights in my room, idk if this one lamp is doing enough

[dull tide]

Ordered my index the other day. Is there a way in the steam app to track the order status?

[astral dust]

hey, i want to get a valve index but i have a 1660 super. should i be able to run the index with my gpu or should i upgrade first

my cpu is a 3200g

[zinc timber]

you should upgrade your PC before you buy a VR rig that costs more than your entire PC

[astral dust]

true

what hsould i upgrade first

my gpu?

[zinc timber]

your cpu

[astral dust]

ok

[zinc timber]

3200g is
eh

I'd go for a 3600/5600 and a 3060ti or so, if possible

[astral dust]

ok thanks

can the 5600 run on a b450 mobo?

[zinc timber]

not yet, probably

it depends on your board

[astral dust]

i have a msi b450 a pro max

[dull tide]

Speaking of. A 3700x with a 1070 with a valve index playing Half Life Alyx should be doable for now, right?

[zinc timber]

that'll be fine

alyx runs on most things

[dull tide]

Been trying to get a 3080 for a while but skipped 2000 series like everyone else

[zinc timber]

although I assume you're using a quest 2 or something?

might be a bit harder to drive an index or whatever

[dull tide]

Index, but I’m mom maxing bit by bit

Mostly decided on that due to the precision of the controllers for FPS/Gunplay games

Otherwise I’d have gone with Reverb G2. Plus I hear that launching games through index is a while lot easier than anything else

Apparent theirs build quality issues with index so far?

[zinc timber]

yeah, knuckles build quality seems to be hit-or-miss

[dull tide]

I figured that I can claim a warranty, or scalp resell it if I don’t get it

At this point it feels like I should get it cause opportunity cost and I might not be able to play the games I want later

Squadrons, HLA, other VR. Might as well play now, and throw a video card at it later if needed

Still having “orderer’s remorse” cause the G2 is a thing.

https://youtu.be/-NBMdcUTC2M

https://youtu.be/FwLEdXCvpCI

These are the videos I watched a day before pulling the trigger. Still looking through the subreddits. I bet there’s strong opinions over any VR influencer

[zinc timber]

nah
index is a better experience overall, unless all you do is sims

[dull tide]

Yeah I’m not set. Only did 3dof so far

Way Infigure it G2 is best for primarily sit, while index is better for room.

And then those 5K displays and other WMR I’m not so familiar with

So that 3200G. IIRC that’s basically have the cores of my 3700x

Oof. 12nm vs 7nm. More cache. HT vs none, double cores. No wonder I didn’t like the G models

[zinc timber]

yeah, zen 2 apus should be decent though

[dull tide]

But thanks to shortages I’ve been looking more and more into i3/r3 equivalents into intel cause even though Intel mobo has a higher MSRP, on price intel seems just as value as AMD.

[zinc timber]

for low end, intel 10100f and 10300f are nice

[dull tide]

I just bought a 10100 for a nas for $80

But F? How much do you really save?

Guy that sold me the 10100 for $80 told me he was selling it only cause his GF got a 3600x

And GN ram a comparison I never flipped through

Oof need to stop talking about hardware drunk

[acoustic gate]

You maybe saved like 25 dollars?

[dull tide]

The F skus must do crap on resale though

F skus iirc are just standard CPU’s who’s iGPUs got phinias Gaged

[dull tide]

https://youtu.be/7M8Tr2uKpFM

Oof tracking drift will probably drive me nuts

https://www.amazon.com/Control-Radiator-Index-Extends-Index-Designed-Electronic-Game/dp/B08CF2RYVY

And that price

[inner oak]

just get a quest 2

[haughty thistle]

Not everyone wants Facebook tarcking their every step...

[zinc timber]

they don't have step tracking yet

you'd basically need full body for that, so maybe the quest 3

[sullen linden]

Wait for more info on the deca gear vr

[zinc timber]

eh... that's kinda iffy

[sullen linden]

It gets released this year

And also thrill did an interview with them

[zinc timber]

just sayin', small startups offering products that sound too good to be true do not have a great track record

[haughty thistle]

They are legit, yes. But the price is hard to belive once you factor in Logistics and Manufacturing...

[zinc timber]

I'd like them to succeed, but I'm not betting money on it

[silver marten]

Does anybody know any good leather VR Mask things for the quest 2

I remember someone telling me to get some some weeks ago but I don't remember the link they sent

Leather Facial Interface bracket

Thats the technical name I guess

Or is the leather going to be worse than the foam

Welp the leather ones are sold out but these come in a 2 pack and are machine washable

https://us.vrcover.com/products/vr-cover-for-oculus™-quest-2

Also sorry for spamming I just thought I would ask here

[dull tide]

Free satellite step tracking. Just open a window

Soon: In an attempt to make a better VR experience, by default your real name will be used in all VR gaming experiences with Oculus Facebook.

[pastel echo]

Anyone got any information on inverting audio in quest 2

Id love if I could just swap left and right

Can't figure it out though

[gloomy crater]

Reminds me of how in the Ready Player One book, they made everyone use their real names while attending online school, and if you had the same first name as someone else, it just got a number after it

[haughty thistle]

I got one of those for my Rift CV1. They are pretty comfortable, but a pain to put on. If you don't like the feel of the fake leather on your face (like I do), then they are a good way of making the fake leather Interface replacement feel more like a regular fabric facial interface.
I don't think they will offer tons of protection for the original Facial interface, seeing that they are completely made out of fabric. So a proper facial interface replacement is still advisable...

[haughty thistle]

Not really tho... I mean, my Smartwatch and Phone can count my steps without even accessing GPS data. All they really need is the IMU data built into every phone

[silver marten]

okay, Do you have any ideas of what exactly I should get then?

[haughty thistle]

Maybe wait for the VRcover Facial interface replacement to get back into stock, and if you don't like the feel of it, you can always get the fabric cover afterwards

With the CV1 they sold the cover with an interface replacement kit all in one box, but I haven't seen them doing that ever since...

[silver marten]

alright I'll wait, I appreciate it Chicken

[harsh niche]

finally got the vrcover off of the oculus site, coming on the fifth

[inner oak]

best way to stream quest 2 to twitch ?

[haughty thistle]

By playing PCVR through Link or VD and streaming that with OBS

[gloomy crater]

For some reason OBS tanks my VR performance, but Relive doesn't

[haughty thistle]

Do you run OBS with x264? In that case that's the reason why. I highly recommend using NVENC for VR streaming as x264 for some reason takes at least 20fps on VR performance for me

[sullen linden]

Ok guys, I think I’ve figured it out. In reference to the discussion we had yesterday, I’ve made a decision. I will buy a Valve Index (or next-gen equivalent) when and only when I reach $1000 in YouTube ad revenue. This will be a great motivator and hopefully encourage me to work harder. Thanks for the advice!

[gentle coral]

@gloomy crater If you use a laptop that is underspecked for your headset, I recommend using x264 low cpu because VR on laptops, can get the GPU pegged at 99% when running my G2, and actually gets a few frames more as it is also right at its temperature and power limit. But if on desktop, i agree with @haughty thistle as freeing up CPU can really help with VR stability. Also if possible close as many secondary programs as possible. I recommend monitoring your steam on a phone or second computer if possible.

[gloomy crater]

yeah im trying to get a 3070 for the nvenc but atm im stuck with this 570

[gentle coral]

@sullen linden hope you get there soon, VR is a lot of fun. And with tundra labs trackers going down in price. I am excited to see more third party tracking options available.

It is quite possible to create a headset cover plate for almost any headset and get it to use the steamvr tracking as near default (requires some driver tweaks from what I have heard, but I would love to use my G2 with lighthouses and index controllers with less then a minute of calibration, and no need to do controller alignment.

Ive started looking deeper into the tundra labs kits and really wish I pre ordered their old dev kits, as it looks really easy to prototype with (at least compared to the original vive lighthouse and tracker dev kits from 2016. If this new kit is even cheaper i will be very excited as it might break the tracker price threshold that valve was going for the past few years and would be a big deal to third party hardware devs.

Also now that I know the tundra labs kits use SPI expansion port for i/o control, I am very excited as SPI is quite easy to use, and expand, and have very low latency and high refresh rates.

[gentle coral]

It would be great if as a group we could write a detailed explination for new VR people and have LTT pin it on this channel. With the number of experienced and new Vr users on this channel I think we could write a great post, answering a lot of the basic questions and concerns. I wish spreadsheets were easier to integrate into posts as a buyers guide based on computer setup would be nice as well.

[sullen linden]

Yes

[harsh niche]

yes

[gentle coral]

I know that discord uses markdown, which i am decent at, it is just a pain get stuff working nicely.

And I think the character limit would be a problem.

[haughty thistle]

Besides, not every Markdown implementation is the same

Discords Markdown Implementation doesn't support tables sadly :/

[sullen linden]

valve index

is nice

[haughty thistle]

[sullen linden]

u guys should

get it

like

i can eat

in vr

without a tracking ring hitting my mouth

pretty poggers if you ask me

[haughty thistle]

You could also just... let the controllers hang down the straps on other Headsets...

[sullen linden]

no

[haughty thistle]

The Index is mainly good for other reasons

[sullen linden]

like comfort aduio refresh rate fov controllers

tracking

and like

it looks cool

and practically 0 sde

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, this.

[sullen linden]

i cant notice it if i try

like the quest 2

[haughty thistle]

Besides, I wouldn't really recommend eating in VR for the sole reason of spreadding whatever dirt on your hands on your VR gear, which is a pain to clean

[sullen linden]

no as in eat in vr

not real life

the index is heavier than the quest 2 yes but the strap balances the weight perfectly

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, after I've used the Reverb G2, I started noticing some SDE on my Index. It's still so low, that it's a non-issue for me, I guess just whatever someone is used to

[sullen linden]

NO

i use the quest 2

ive used a reverb g2

i cant notice it

but reverb do4es look

[haughty thistle]

The Quest 2 really that bad in terms of SDE o.O

[sullen linden]

pretty sharp

[haughty thistle]

Weird..

[sullen linden]

no it has less sde than the index

i cant notice sde on any of them

but some pixelation on the index compared to reverb

and alot on quest 2 compared to reverb

because q2 i dont think runs at native resolution because mobile processor

[haughty thistle]

If you use the Q2 for PCVR it runs at a significantly reduced resolution due to the compression

[sullen linden]

mhm

its not very nice

i wish they wouldve made its usb c

virtual link compatible

so i could get a virtual link to like dp and usb cable

and plug it on in

as good as a native pcvr headset

and same port functionality

[haughty thistle]

Well... DisplayPort Alternate Channel on Type-C connectors isn't as cheap, especially with something as integrated as a VR headset...

[sullen linden]

ik

but it wouldve been so worth it if they sold maybe a SKU that supports virtual link

[haughty thistle]

Besides, it would've meant you need either a special USB Cable or a DP and USB capable USB-C port

[sullen linden]

yes

the index has a dp and usb to virtual link adapter

[haughty thistle]

Facebook is not interested in making good VR, they just want to get as many people on their headsets as possible to get their Data

[sullen linden]

gosh darn fb

[haughty thistle]

It does not

[sullen linden]

I remember seeing a page for that

[haughty thistle]

Valve wanted to make such an adapter, but noticed power and USB Issues with VirtualLink and refunded already existing orders...

[sullen linden]

if fb made maybe enthusiast level headsets such as the index theyd get the data of avid vr users

and maybe more people already tied up in oculus ecosystem would buy enthusiast grade headsets

[haughty thistle]

The CV1 showed what Oculus was capable of in the higher end VR section if they actually cared

[sullen linden]

mhm

i still have a cv1

[haughty thistle]

But Facebook basically took over since then...

[sullen linden]

that headset was legendary when the touch controllers came out for it

yeah

Facebook sucks

fb mean

[haughty thistle]

I bought a CV1 long after they stopped producing it, and somehow I like using it more then my Index sometimes...

[sullen linden]

They completely took over oculus, a great vr company, just to get their greedy data grubbing hands on everyone

[sullen linden]

after I use the index for the first time the cv1 felt very cheap light and flimsy

[haughty thistle]

I actually like the lighter weight of the CV1

[sullen linden]

it was something f I would've never expected to think of such a great headset

[haughty thistle]

It still feels very premium non-the-less

[sullen linden]

The weight doesn't matter to me except for the quest 2s default strap like

I was afraid of disaligning a vertebrae

it was so bad

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, the leighter weight the headset is, the less important the weight distribution becomes, but it's obviously still important

But the CV1 is not just lightweight, but also has a decent weight distribution. And honestly the CV1 Touch controllers to me feel less restricting and are better suited for more chill VR experiences

[gentle coral]

The actual cost difference is probably less then 5 dollars as the XR2 soc and board natively supports type C alternate mode. More then likely it actual is possible on the Quest 2 if you jailbreak the headset, and change the XR2 SOC firmware. I actually doubt they changed that many parts off the XR2 board just to make it easier to get Qualcomm to help. (I could definitely be wrong, but I don't give the current Oculus team much credit for good work, or sound judgment (if they are even allowed to have that anymore)).

[gentle coral]

I know that discord just did a big update and I think they fixed some markdown stuff, let me test a table.

[sullen linden]

nope

[gentle coral]

Nope not fixed

[haughty thistle]

Well... Support for DisplayPort Alternate Channel doesn't tell the whole story. Just like with regular DisplayPort you have in and out ports. I don't know the specs of the XR2, but if Qualcomm really just removed the phone parts of the SOC and added a higher TDP for the chip, it might just be DP Out only as a remenance of other Qualcomm chips. But you probably know more about that then I do...

[rotund loom]

Why won't my ps4 motion controller connect

I did the reset thing

[inner oak]

so i have games installed to my quest 2 how do i stream them to twitch

[haughty thistle]

Afaik you can't. At least not with audio

You can use Sidequest to stream the image of your Quest 2 to your PC, but audio will not be transferred

[thick nest]

you can transfer audio through an AUX cable and turn it to. mic input from an app called voicemeeter

[haughty thistle]

As an alternative, you could try streaming it to a Chromecast and capturing that with a capture card, but I heard streaming from a Quest to a Chromecast is messy and works only like 30% of the time

[thick nest]

you can use a browser

not just chrome cast

and you can stream to a phone too

and screen record to twitch

[inner oak]

darn 😦

[haughty thistle]

I haven't gotten streaming from my Quest to my phone working at all.
And since when can you cast to a Browser? That's new to me...

[thick nest]

well you need to be on the same network

[thick nest]

is there something wrong

[haughty thistle]

I am. Casting to phone never worked for me. Even on the Wifi of my relatives it didn't work

[thick nest]

wierd

[haughty thistle]

One thing you can always do with the Quest is recoding. Then you will have both the video and in-game audio. But last time I tried this, it was missing the mic audio, so you'd need to design your own solution for that anyhow...

[thick nest]

this seems like a last resort option

if i were you i would choose the oculus options like a browser or mobile streaming directly to the oculus app

[haughty thistle]

Besides, when you're streaming, you want to keep your chat in view somehow. You'd have to either take your headset off or close the game to look at chat. Neither being a particularly good option

[inner oak]

just wish i could stream it i know i can stream using the pc and the quest 2 but if i wanted to buy a game from the headset i couldent stream other than face book

[thick nest]

yeah so pc vr is way better for. streaming

[thick nest]

well yeah if you dont want to use a different device to. stream it

[haughty thistle]

Not just way better. I wouldn't recommend streaming VR from both the Quest and PSVR. In both cases you're just too limited in terms of what you can do that it's more of a hassle then is worth...

[inner oak]

tryed playing with the oculus link but i cant reposition the view with it but when i used virtual desktop it works fine but more leggy

[thick nest]

but now until oculus makes unknown source apps run in the background twitch is just for using while your on it

[inner oak]

i use to stream with the psvr

tell i sold it for quest 2

[thick nest]

well psvr can stream to twitch and YouTube

[haughty thistle]

Facebook wants you to use their services. They'd be stupid allowing you to stream to a platform other then Facebook...

[inner oak]

the only thing i can think of is streaming to facebook and making it full screen on my pc and using twitch to stream it but that seems like a bad time

[thick nest]

Facebook will never be even close to a main social media app

[haughty thistle]

PSVR puts the Chat like right up your face and longer messages are basically impossible to read. That's what I heard from a friend who has tried it

[inner oak]

psvr never put the chat on screen

[haughty thistle]

[inner oak]

you could have it read it to you

[haughty thistle]

Weird...

I clearly remember seeing that tho...

[thick nest]

dude just use the browser there isnt a difference its just easier since you won't see chat through that way

[thick nest]

yeah he should see it

[inner oak]

ive never had that i even tryed puting it on the screen it only showed on my tv

[thick nest]

maybe theh forgot to put the UI to vr

[inner oak]

i like my quest better tho

[thick nest]

a quest isnt ideal for streaming

the performance sacrifice isnt low yet

well if oculus released one somehow and you are willing to make a sacrifice of losing a ton of your FPS especially when your in VR

[fathom bramble]

i got a 1660 super GPU, Ryzen 5 2600 CPU and 16 gigs of HyperX ddr4 2666mhz Ram. Is this build set for VR.

[zinc timber]

it'll run most vr games

[gray reef]

Everything that’s out right now will run fine

[haughty thistle]

Depends on the headset I'd say. On a Gen 1 headset like the CV1 or OG Vive surely, it'll run most, if not all, games at 100% render scale just fine. But for higher res headsets turning down the render scale might be required in some select titles, and I would not recommend running VR with a Quest 2 or HP Reverb Headset. You'll probably defeat the whole purpose of said headset by lowering the renderscale by a lot...

[sullen linden]

would it run the index

[pale wagon]

index is a lower res, but its closer to 1440, but like an ultrawide or superultrawide 1440

high fov, okay res

1440 x 1600

per eye

at 120hz

the 1660 wont be able to hit that

[haughty thistle]

The Index would fall under this category:

But for higher res headsets turning down the render scale might be required in some select titles

You can run it on a 1660 Super, but turning down the render scaling will probably be necessary to play all games

You will also probably have to run the Index at 90Hz with that card, depending on the game

[lofty minnow]

when are we gonna get to a resolution in which we can read actual text

[sullen linden]

144hz

I have a 980ti and it says no refresh rate below 144hz is supported by my gpus drivers

[sullen linden]

we're already at that point

Reverb g2

Quest 2

[lofty minnow]

2160 by 2160 is readable? ive never tried it

[sullen linden]

very

like text is almost as clear as real text

If not as clear

To me at least

You should watch those in the lenses vids where they do comparisons to text clarity in certain headsets through the lenses

[lofty minnow]

can you link me one of those please

[sullen linden]

Ok

https://youtu.be/ny_OPsxHQmU

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, the G2 looks crazily sharp to me. I can read smaller text just fine already on the Index tho. It's mostly an issue with Gen1 headsets like the OG Vive and Rift CV1

[lofty minnow]

when i had the index it was a pain in the ass to read small text or far text

like the song titles on beat saber were readable but looked nothing like irl text if that makes sense

[haughty thistle]

[sullen linden]

I feel ur pain

[haughty thistle]

You might've had SteamVR set to automatically determine the renderscale for you and it set it to something below 100% perhaps?
Because for me at 100% and higher text is pretty readable...

[lofty minnow]

nope

[sullen linden]

yeah I realized one of my friends set the render res to 50% to annoy me

When I was letting him try it

I set it to 100% and im fine now

[haughty thistle]

I run my Index nowadays at 200% and it's pretty clear. Not as sharp as the G2, but sharp enough for me to have no problem switching between the headsets

[sullen linden]

200%

[haughty thistle]

Yes

[sullen linden]

I'll do that when I get a 3080ti

[haughty thistle]

Still less pixels then what the G2 is rendering xD

[sullen linden]

Speaking of how long do u think it'll be till the next architecture

Lovelace

Or hopper

[lofty minnow]

i dont think most pcs can even run the g2 at 100% at constant 90fps

[haughty thistle]

I mean, for the G2 you want at least 14GB of VRAM. on my 3090 it eats up more then 12GB for sure (about 55% VRAM usage on a 3090 is normal on the G2)

[sullen linden]

3080ti has the same number of CUDA cores as the 3090

[lofty minnow]

but 200% on g2 would be like 4k upscaled to 6k right?

[sullen linden]

It'll have 20 gigs of vram

It's releasing in April and hopefully being announced on the 12th

[lofty minnow]

what will?

what are you talking about

[haughty thistle]

I don't think Nvidia will shoot themselves in the knee by making a product that is virtually the same to a much more expensive one. As in true Nvidia fassion the 3080Ti will probably be bottlenecked in some fassion. Lower memory bandwidth, a frequency lock or something similar

[lofty minnow]

OHHH 3080ti

i thot the 3080 ti was actually the 3080 for a second cus of the 3060ti

[sullen linden]

786gb/s

Bandwidth

For memory

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, already a bottle neck in some regards as the 3090 has almost 1tb/s

[sullen linden]

yup

I think I should spend the extra

$500

[haughty thistle]

Besides, I got the 3090 for almost 3 months now which is enough for me to justify the higher price. By the time the 3080Ti comes out, I've probably already made up the price difference in usage time xD

[sullen linden]

ok

I'ma go 3090

[lofty minnow]

can you run cyberpunk 2077 ?

[sullen linden]

Yes

[haughty thistle]

I won't think the differences will be too massive, but I'm pretty sure the 3080Ti will probably be out of the box more comparable to the 3080 rather then the 3090...

[sullen linden]

but

[haughty thistle]

Similar to how the 1070Ti was back in the day

[sullen linden]

CUDA cores and

Vram

[haughty thistle]

The 1070Ti also had more VRAM then the 1070 and more CUDA cores, but was significantly downclocked in order to not cut into 1080 sales.

[sullen linden]

ok

How long do u think I'll have to wait to upgrade

If I get the 3090

[haughty thistle]

Depends on how lucky you get

I got extremely lucky and was able to purchase an FE card shortly after release from the German partner site "Notebooksbilliger". Most likely not all bots were targeting that store so as a genuine customer I got through before all Stock was gone

[sullen linden]

No I Mena before the next architecture launches

[haughty thistle]

Depends on how long this supply shortage will last

I don't have a chrystal ball to look into, sorry ^^"

[sullen linden]

I mean didn't turing last two years

[haughty thistle]

I would guess, seeing how the 2080Ti was in supply shorateg for a solid 4 months after release, I would guess because of the current situation that'll last at least twice as long...

[sullen linden]

I still remember going to bed and turning the tv on and the announcement advertisement for turning coming on that night

[haughty thistle]

But you'll probably be able to get the cards normally before the new Generation drops

[sullen linden]

I think it was 2017 or 2018

Yes when will the new gen drop

I wondet

[haughty thistle]

I think Pascal was released in 2015, no? so that was only 2-3 years as well

[sullen linden]

Some are saying as early as this year

They're gonna turn to MCM instead of monolithic gpus

[haughty thistle]

GPUs only drop every 2-3 years, so I wouldn't worry about the mbeing replaced at the end of this year (unless Nvidia does another "Super" thing)

[sullen linden]

ok

I think it's been more than 7 months since the 3090 launched

[haughty thistle]

It's not ^^

[sullen linden]

How long

[haughty thistle]

The 3090 Launched in October of 2020. So about 3 months

Mid-October to be exact

I got mine at the end of October

[sullen linden]

so the 3090 and 3070 launched at the same time wow

[young marten]

no

[sullen linden]

Ok

[haughty thistle]

The 3070 launched like half a month later

[sullen linden]

Oh ok

But yeah Nvidia said bigger orders will (hopefully) be completed by spring 2021

[young marten]

I got my fe 3070 on lunch day on the best buy iOS app a week before i got my index

[sullen linden]

Cop

[gloomy crater]

If I don't find a way to get a new card into my system for MSRP by February, I might just sell a bunch of my stuff and buy from a scalper. I can only sit on a pile of games and not play them for so long before I go insane waiting for these cards to come in stock for a normal price

[snow gulch]

You can find some discord servers or telegram whatever-they're-called that give stock notifications. You're still testing your luck but it's better than flying blind imo

[plush wolf]

please dont support the scalpers. It sucks to wait but if you buy from scalpers all it does is encourage them to keep cards out of reach.

[gloomy crater]

If I don't, someone else will. The only way to stop scalpers is for the companies to get their shit together and make enough cards so that people can get them without having to turn to buying from scalpers. As the saying goes, you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. and six months with no usable video card is plenty long enough to turn someone into a villain

So, that is to say, if AMD doesn't ramp up production to the point that I can't buy a 6800XT for less than $900, and if there is still incentive for scalpers to prey using this card (which theoretically, there shouldn't be) by February, then it's a sign that this year will turn out no better than the last, and it won't be getting any better any time soon. At that point, it would just be better to face the music and accept defeat than keep pretending that 'if I wait one more month, I'll be able to buy it for cheaper.' At some point, waiting becomes too expensive. Money is theoretically way less valuable than time, because you only have 30,000~ days to live, but you can have a significantly more amount of money. So, if having to pay money means I save time, precious time that I won't ever get back, time that I don't want to be stuck with this shitty graphics card anymore, then I'll gladly pay however much I need to, to whoever I need to. Because money isn't worth as much as time to me

[sly falcon]

knuckles are scheduled to come tommorow

[haughty thistle]

Noice 👍

[gentle coral]

A big problem with graphics cards and most detailed electronics is that current manufacting technology will never meet the demand of a hyped market. Chip making is a slow and expensive process at the moment, and it might be another 10 years tell the next major overhaul of lithography technology that allows for rapid chip production to become stable. Right now the entire world's chip production ability is probably half of what would be nessasary to not have this problem pop up, but because this is hype demand it is not the scale that chip manufacturers should scale to, or then we would have billions in machines and factories not doing anything most of the time. But still cost billions to take care of which then gets passed into the business costs that end up making their way down to the product. Technology production is a balancing act, as to little raises the product price, and to much production ability can also actually raise the price.

We also had a few months of no production at all whitch severely affected the opening launches of many of these products.

Fixing the webstores could help a lot, as well as if scalpers actually got in trouble. Time definitely has a big value and should be considered part of the cost when purchasing things, and it is understandable if prices go up if demand is high and production is low.

But scalpers should still be supported as little as possible as they are a big part of the reason supply is low. Even if they are selling at a good price, they are delaying that stock from reaching a user.

Most of the launch issues this time around are a combination of covid caused issues, combined with an actually good launch of a number of high value (compared to previous generations) computer hardware products, as well as terrible digital webstores being exploited by bots.

[river vale]

I got the oculus quest 2
;D
256gb

[stoic matrix]

fire

[rustic garnet]

My twitter suuuuuuucks

[gloomy crater]

I've heard good things about the room VR game, but I kinda already know how to solve the first three rooms. Would it be worth it to buy the game even though I already know how to solve most of it? Ofc I wouldn't be able to play it until I get a new gpu, but it's on sale right now

[sly falcon]

Finally

[soft hound]

Nice foot

[sly falcon]

lol

wait what

ive been playing vr for 4 hours?!?!?

[vagrant pollen]

derp

[vagrant pollen]

nek minit

[soft hound]

4 hours seems to be the average

I just go until my trackers die

[vagrant pollen]

Me, who can't afford VR:

[sly falcon]

well I got minecraft vr so thats probably why I lost track of time

idk why but it just hits different in vr

[vagrant pollen]

On a completely random topic, have u seen that meme of cat vibing to caramelldansen

*that boi that read status *

[sly falcon]

yeah on the topic of the knuckles, if they start drifting like crazy just angles the bases higher

[vagrant pollen]

y o u. W h a t

[sly falcon]

b

[vagrant pollen]

a

enter

lol #konamicode

[sly falcon]

XD

[unkempt wing]

hey lads, a friend of mine is unable to use the sensors for the HTC Vive on the wall mounts, does anyone know what mount you would need to fit on a tripod. she's unable to use bolts etc since she's unable to damage the walls

[sullen linden]

Any mount that has a 1/4" screw

Most tripods will have that standard screw already but you can't angle the base station up or down so you might need to buy an extra mount for that like I did

[rustic garnet]

You can also use M3 tape or similar

[sullen linden]

That can leave residue on the walls though so if said person needs to keep their walls in a good condition I wouldn't recommend it

[sly falcon]

wierd thing here, whenever I have 2 basestations on my left knuckle freaks out but only when I face a specific direction, and its fine whenever I only have one on, these are 1.0 basestations and are up to date update wise

[sullen linden]

Do you have reflective things in your room?

[sly falcon]

nothing reflective

as I said, it works fine whenever I take either one of the bases out of the equation

[sullen linden]

Hmm hard to say then, I just moved and when I set up my index again I was wondering why my tracking was all over the place but then I realised I had not yet put curtains in front of my windows lol

[sly falcon]

I was thinking it could be some communication error

[sullen linden]

You could try changing the channels the base stations are operating at

[sly falcon]

that mightt actually worj

it worked fine for a few seconds then I got a sync error probs cause im not using a sync cable

it was on b and c and then I made it a and b

ill have to get it tommorow, currently almost 12 rn so cant

the sync cable I mean

[sullen linden]

ok

s basically

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729467856969793556/795523528458895390/unknown.png

i dwnladed some songs through mod assistant

but none f them shw up

[steady idol]

psvr or oculus

I need to know

or wait for psvr 2??????

[pastel echo]

if between PSVR and Oculus the quest 2 is a better buy

[signal snow]

i finally played a game that made me feel like VR was worth it

superhot

all the games i have played have just been recreations of stuff you can do irl

but superhot is, well, superhot.

slow down time

be pro

are there any other games like that?

superpowers, reality bending?

damn it would be really nice if Control was VR

[zinc timber]

in spice and wolf vr you can talk to a girl

[haughty thistle]

Channels B and C are used for optical sync and Channels A and B are used for cable syncing. For using only one 1.0 Lighthouse, you're supposed to use Channel A. That's at least according to the SteamVR documentation

So the reason A and B don't sync to each other is because one of the 2 lighthouses are expecting a sync signal to come in through a cable. If the B and C combination gives you a green light on both Lighthouses, Syncing is not an issue and shouldn't be the problem

[pastel echo]

Yeah right liar

[lone glade]

I want pavlov on the quest so baddd

[thick nest]

dude its on side quest

im not sure if its free there actually

but i think it was free last time i checked

[pastel echo]

It's free called Pavlov shack

Will be free until the full game is ported as I understand it

[vagrant breach]

So if I installed a game on my Quest 2, how can I then also install that game on my PC and play it via the link from my PC?

[haughty thistle]

If the game supports Cross-Play, go into the Oculus Store on the PC, search for the game, and if it supports Cross-Play, you should see a download button. If it doesn't support Cross-Play (like Beat Saber) you will have to buy the game for PCVR again

Buying games on PC, I recommend purchasing games for SteamVR/Steam if available, as you will be able to play the games on other headsets natively in the future, if you ever decide to switch away from Oculus. If you buy them in the Oculus Store, you might not be able to play them on other headsets, and even if, it's usually a much worse experience, as Revive has to emulate Oculus Controllers

[vagrant breach]

Lovely so if I wanted to play it from the PC I have to buy it again... how lovely

Can I play the headset version though but still have it use my PCs hardware somehow?

[haughty thistle]

There is not. Some games like "The Climb" that support Cross-Buy, but many don't for either higher profits, or in thinking that most people won't play on PC anyways...

[mortal briar]

Any games that look really realistic.
I'm looking for games to use to wind down and just explore.
Not looking for fighting games.

Please @ me

[hushed pond]

the solus project

@mortal briar

[odd pivot]

@mortal briar the climb?

[hushed pond]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/313630/The_Solus_Project/

Steam

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Price

$9.99

Recommendations

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Metacritic

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[mortal briar]

Okay ty I'll look into them

[gloomy crater]

man I forgot you needed to install the oculus program to run VD

I was just trying to test my current GPU's performance in some VR games via virtual desktop, but it keeps yelling at me that I need to have the oculus program installed, which I can't do because I don't have the login info for the account on this headset

[haughty thistle]

I think the reason Oculus is required is because VD uses the compression algorithm that Oculus usues for Link? I'm not sure, but fact is, that VD drops you right into SteamVR and you have to use Revive to play Oculus titles through VD

[sullen linden]

what is a ok pc for valve index?

[haughty thistle]

I'd say you want at least a GPU with similar power to a 2070 and a modern CPU (so not like first gen Core i, more like 4th gen or newer) with 4 cores. Depending on the game you might want to have a more powerful GPU or CPU, but this should allow you to run the Index at 100% resolution and 120Hz/144Hz in a good number of games

Lower power machines should be fine too, just know that you might have to run the headset at 90Hz or a lower render scale depending on the Game

[sullen linden]

well the max money i can use is 650 to 700

[haughty thistle]

What System do you currently have?

[sullen linden]

hold on gtg if you want just text me or just wait or me to get back i dont care

and i have no pc

[haughty thistle]

Oof

[gloomy crater]

Fs in chat for my Index PC with a 3900X and a 4gb 570

Anyways I got the login info for VD so we all good

If this testing goes well, I might be able to convince the person that owns this account to let me borrow a GTX 1080 until cards restock

[haughty thistle]

You'll definitely have to look for used parts with that price range. A 1660 Super should be fine for the start, but turning down the resolution will most likely be required, and you probably also only want to run the headset at 90Hz. I can't tell you what currently good prices for used PC parts are, but it's probably the only route possible for your budget 😬
@sullen linden

[gloomy crater]

Okay so I have one more thing I need to test but I can't: I need to make sure this setup works well in Skyrim VR but I don't have a copy so I'll have to ask here and just hope that someone has this fringe setup:

I need to know if a 4gb RX570 running Skyrim VR over virtual desktop to a quest 1 will perform well, but I have no way to test it

[sullen linden]

@haughty thistle

Back

I am willing to go to 1000$ than if need be

Anyone here?

@mortal briar

[sly falcon]

these are lies

ecs dee

mine shipped in 2 days

[sullen linden]

Dam

[sly falcon]

came 2 days later

[sullen linden]

I got the kit but it’s going to take it says 3 mouths

Sad

I just need to get a pc for it now can you help?

[sly falcon]

probably

[sullen linden]

I am willing to go up to 1000$ us

[sly falcon]

id go with a i5 10 something with a 1060, minimum to run an index

[sullen linden]

Btw on iPad 4 so if my texting is bad it’s becux I am use inv a iPad form yearssss ago

[sly falcon]

yeah, ive used old ipads to text, theres a PETA to type on

[sullen linden]

But I really want a pc to be able to run games on pc and I will be running some games that will make my pc work very hard like half life

The vr one

[sly falcon]

hold on lemme get open pcpartpicker

[sullen linden]

Ok ty

[sly falcon]

HLA isnt actually that hard to run

[sullen linden]

And I will be streaming sometimes

[sly falcon]

I run it off my 1650

[sullen linden]

When I am use it be

Vr*

[sly falcon]

ima try to get 3000 series in here, just to maximize performance

[sullen linden]

God this auto correct is makeing me so mad one time it made me text I like your tits when I tried to say tie like I hate it

[sly falcon]

what kinda memory speed would u use

[sullen linden]

Ummm I don’t know what do you think

[sly falcon]

judging by the fact that u dont know ima just go with 3600

[sullen linden]

Ok

By how big the # is I will just think it’s good

[sly falcon]

yeah its good

I use the speed below it and it works fine for vr

[sullen linden]

Are you going amd or intell?

[sly falcon]

amd

[sullen linden]

K

Sorry for texting so bad iPad and auto correction

SEE THAT LAST BIT I HATE IT

[sly falcon]

im assuming ur good with windows 10 home

[sullen linden]

Yea

The laptop I have is a chrome book and I know I don’t. Want to use that thing as a os

[sly falcon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KfBCMv ok so this is 16 bucks over budget but it should be fine, id run it by someone in #tech-chat-1 before pulling the trigger

[sullen linden]

Ok thank you sir or woman I don’t know

[sly falcon]

np

[sullen linden]

Btw I know how to get a free windows so I don’t need that on there

Just letting you know

[sly falcon]

k

[sullen linden]

I have windows 10 pro on a usb I love it I used it on my laptop

Ok bye now

[gloomy crater]

I'm confused about the priceless 3070

[sly falcon]

oh yeah, might wanna change out the GPU im pretty sure its out of stock

[gloomy crater]

Everything else except for the GPU totals to $1016

[sullen linden]

so what do i get for gpu?

[sly falcon]

im lookin

[sullen linden]

oh thank you

[sly falcon]

gonna try to go for a 2060 or something a bit lower

[sullen linden]

yea i was going to say like a 2070 or 2080 could i do that?

or too much for money ?

[sly falcon]

yeah I think

[gloomy crater]

this is my submission

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FsGQLP

$1012 if you can find the GPU in stock

[sly falcon]

probably better then mine

yup much better

finally fixed my final tracking issue, popped a blanket infront of my poster and its golden now

[sullen linden]

ahaha

wow