virtual-reality

[autumn remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQk1nt7eGZk

[umbral garden]

Got my first headset

[pastel echo]

Richie's Plank Experience was by far the most "wow this is crazy" first VR experience

Just have someone to watch the person trying it lol

[cursive fog]

Yee! I didn't show it to this person, he to slow son xD

[cursive fog]

eeeehhhhhhhhh, maybe just frightening for seniors 😅

[sweet halo]

Is ltt going to review hp reverb g2

[pastel echo]

I did not interpret seniors as older people haha

[cursive fog]

oohhhh xD Language barrier from my side. sorry XP

[pastel echo]

pretty sure that's on me specifically because I've helped (highschool) seniors specifically experience VR

[distant spade]

Nice, I'm gonna be hopefully adopting my first headset soon aswell.

[umbral garden]

Haven’t played any games but it seems nice so far

[distant spade]

Not sure what I'm gonna get yet, everyone keeps recommending quest 2 but the whole banning thing and the fact you have to have a Facebook account is not very comforting especially when I have some of the worst luck ever, definitely gonna get banned.

[umbral garden]

BTW the store has a Black Friday sale going on on some of the big games so if you’re definitely gonna get one I would recommend picking up some games now

Well I had a Facebook account anyway (that I barely use, but it does have friends and posts and stuff, so I’m not scared about getting banned), so it wasn’t really an issue for me

[distant spade]

Can I buy games like, through my phone with Google Play currency?

[umbral garden]

Creditcard and PayPal only I believe

Let me check

[distant spade]

Damn nvm then

Someone told me about prepaid visas, could do that.

[umbral garden]

No PayPal?

[distant spade]

I'm 15, I have a PayPal but no credit card.

Only have cash.

[umbral garden]

Hm I see

[distant spade]

Cause if I could do through Google play balance, I could just buy a crap ton of Google play cards and just buy away, but I can also do the same with a prepaid visa.

The main game I'm gonna be playing anyway is beat saber and I don't think beat saber is ever on sale.

Obviously gonna play other games, I was mainly gonna use it as a pcvr. With my budget tho, quest 1 is probably all I'm gonna be able to get. I can either upgrade my PC and get quest 1, or keep my weirdly speced PC and just have quest 2.

Only pcvr headset I've tried before was a vive and that seemed good enough for me and I believe the vive has a lower resolution than even quest 1 so I think quest 1 is more than enough for me anyway. I've heard that the regular strap with quest 2 is very uncomfortable and that buying elite strap would be a good investment which makes it a bit more expensive.

[haughty thistle]

If you go with a used headset anyways and you're fine with Facebook, what's stopping you from getting a Rift CV1 or Vive? The Vive is probably the more expensive of the 2 options, but it's a good entry into the lighthouse tracking system. The CV1 on the other hand is probably in total the better of the two headsets. Just that it requires either an Oculus Account (if you have one) or you'd need to create/use a Facebook account...

Both the Vive and CV1 have the same screen resolution. The CV1 has better controllers then even the Quest 1, so there's that

[distant spade]

Quest 1 and cv1 sell for about the same used. I liked vive, but they sell for like 600 CAD, the cheapest I've seen was I think 350 CAD.

While the cheapest cv1 I've seen was 175CAD and cheapest quest 1 I've seen was 220 CAD. The quest 1s stand alone would be kinda useful incase I wanna let's say bring my headset to my grandmas house while she'll probably complain to me that VR helmets gives you cancer or whatever cause she's the type that believes most of the things she reads on Facebook.

Sorry, the grandma part wasn't necessary, but the portability aspect of the quest 1 would be useful.

[sly falcon]

vives price has gone wayyy down you can get full sets for like 300 bucks max nowadays

[distant spade]

Not where I live in Canada anyway.

Controllers alone sell for like 250 CAD

There is a couple sets selling for 400 but they're farther away

Cheapest one I see is 300, pretty sure it's a good 7 hour trip (3.5 hours there, 3.5 hours back) tho.

Many range from 400 upto 900.

[sly falcon]

Jesus! I can get a full set for the controller prices here in the US

Hell thats the only reason I bought one

[woeful plover]

What is the best budget, easy to set up headset? I'm looking at the Oculus Rift S. I DO NOT WANT A STANDALONE! PC-Driven headsets are better.

[sly falcon]

rift S all the way, but the q2 can do pcvr as well so thats better in literally every way

[pastel echo]

Yeah PC driven headsets are better... if you're not on a budget lol

[sly falcon]

Yea i agree, vive user here, but the value of the quest beats out the rift S any day

[woeful plover]

Thanks for you help!

[thick nest]

yeah

the thing is that oculus probably will stop making pcvr headsets

and the rift s already stopped getting support

[sly falcon]

Yeah, quest will rule out the rift, sad to see it go but I figured they would do something like this

[pastel echo]

Should I sell my Rift CV1 while I have the chance or hold onto it as a gift for my girlfriend

I've been debating whether I could maybe sell it and buy a second quest 2 but I have 3 sensors and it's all in perfect well taken care of condition and can run on lower end hardware so I dunno

The tracking on the Rift CV1 is absolutely fantastic, really can't beat the sensors

[gentle coral]

@cursive fog

Response to question from this morning i forgot to send

the experience you are thinking of is called The Blu.

A few experiences I would recommend are any of the Google Spotlight Stories (pearl, son of jaguar, sonaria, special delivery, rain or shine, back to the moon, piggy, on ice, age of sail). These are all free and really well made.

Some other experiences I recommend are
Tiltbrush
Apollo 11 HD
Buzz Aldrin: Cycling Pathways to Mars
Conscious Existence - A Journey Within
The Dawn of Art

@pastel echo I think holding onto the CV1 is more useful, as even if it dosent get used much, it will hold its value for a while, then become a collectors item. Also it is great for any game that requires OLED's great black levels.

[pastel echo]

Oh I didn't even realize my Rift had OLED lol

blacks do be not burning my eyes though

[gentle coral]

Though I would also ask your girlfriend what headset she would prefer (if the second quest 2 was going to be for her).

I am going to keep a cv1 around almost fully because I can use it to compare to other headsets. As I am still waiting for a headset that is a step up in every aspect compared to modern first gen headsets. The only one that is almost a complete improvement is the Index (LCD vs OLED, and cost the only downside).

[pastel echo]

Hmmmm I'll keep it until I find out how I like the quest 2

I have light sensory issues as a result of a concussion a while back and it will be a fun experience learning whether the LCD panel gives me brain melting headaches or not

[austere sleet]

Well, sending in my left controller for the second time.

Anyone else having issues with Valve Index joysticks, or am I just some kind of brute?

[zinc timber]

seems to be a common issue

[austere sleet]

Shame. I had hopes for this being a quality product

[haughty thistle]

The Index is a quality product. The problem with the thumbsticks on the Index is in some regards similar to the Nintendo Joy-Con thumbstick issue: miniaturization. These things are built so tiny, that the mechanical parts have no hopes of actually withstanding the forces applied to them in real world use. If you know how to handle them carefully, you'll probably will have a long lasting thumbstick, but sadly, that's not how most people handle their stuff.
One thing that was found out is that the click on the Index thumbsticks is like the kill for them. So best you re-assign any game controls using the thumbsticks to something else like the touchpad press

My left Index controller for example hasn't shown any issues, and last time I had to replace it was back in October last year. Same applies to my right controller, but that I had to replace a couple of times earlier this year due to unrelated issues...

[pastel echo]

Oof

yep gonna not get the index on this alone

I'm pretty heavy on my thumbstick usage so that wouldn't be it for me, I was kinda trying to convince myself not to spend the money so this did it

[austere sleet]

I should say, That's specific to the thumb-stick CLICK. So if, for example, you're like me and you play hotdogs, horseshoes, and hand-grenades, and you're playing take and hold and constantly mushing the left stick click, it's going to wear out pretty fast.

If you're just using the thumbsticks without the click, it should be OK.

So I guess the answer to my question was a little of both: I'm a bit of an oaf, and other people have similar issues, because they are also probably oafs.

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, Tl;DR: if you want you thumbsticks to last, don't use the click and don't go mayham on them. With the latter I mean, like hammering the thumbstick and the likes of that

The Index is a great headset, and you wouldn't get this experience form any other headset. Besides, if you really want to, you could just use the Vive Wands with the Index headset...

[pastel echo]

I want this to be me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qubRHhqLAzg

[haughty thistle]

About this... I'd suggest watching this video before you try it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am26VnN9z98

[pastel echo]

That's crazy bro

the sun however does not shine through my head into the lenses

even if it did just play at night with an IR light botta bing botta boom

[haughty thistle]

Still, when putting the headset on or off, or when holding it in your hand, it is exposed, so be weary of that

[pastel echo]

Though I do recommend an inexperienced user never attempt to use the headset outside

Lol I actually thought about this though

If I really wanted to play in a situation where there was risk of direct sunlight my plan to carry a cover with me and put it over my head before taking the headset off

in reality though I'll be playing after sun set

might find a way to strap the IR light I mentioned to my chest

[haughty thistle]

If you do intend on playing in darkness with your Quest, I'd suggest mounting the light statically. I can certainly imagine that the Tracking system can't cope with the moving shadows...

[pastel echo]

That's a good point hadn't considered the shadows end of things

[cursive fog]

Thank youuuu!

[pastel echo]

will just depend what I find my living situation to be in 2021, I might end up just having a 10'X10' shed that I can just do wired in

[haughty thistle]

I certainly do like wireless VR, but for me, the trade-offs aren't worth it

Having a Backback is more immersion breaking then having a wire running, using wireless transmission to send the image from a remote point (like the PC on my desk), is either expensive (and requires an overpriced headset alá Vive Pro) or has a drastic impact on image quality and latency, and mounting the wire on a pully system for a sudo-wireless feel has the problem of where to put the headset when I'm not wearing it. My VR room is also my bedroom, and I'd hate to have something hanging off the ceiling all the time...

[sly falcon]

vr backpack is just beta oculus quest

[haughty thistle]

VR backpacks are basically Laptops without a screen and keyboard xD

[sly falcon]

ye

[pastel echo]

well that's why I'm just gonna put a laptop in a custom wire mesh backpack frame

Mainly for Blade and Sorcery but also Boneworks would be cool

[fathom sigil]

All you'd need is duct tape

Duct tape straps, duct tape the hinge closed, duct tape the straps to your laptop

Duct tape the cable so it doesn't fall out

Duct tape your feet to the floor so you don't walk into a wall

Duct tape causes more solves all problems

[gentle coral]

Along side my headset design work, i have been working for a few years on a lightweight wearable computer and with todays thermal solutions i think I would be able to make a wearable computer vest that feels like putting on a slightly heavy coat (5 pounds or so.) And has separate sections for the parts that makes it more comfortable to wear. Depending on the playarea and type if game, backpack computers can be more immersive the a tether. Also there are dangers with teathers for new users (tripping, or choking). Also the cables are the most likely part to break, next to the controller for any headset.

[thick nest]

https://www.amazon.com/CALIDAKA-Replacement-Protective-Sweat-Proof-Comfortable/dp/B08LVW2MPG/ref=sr_1_23?dchild=1&keywords=vr+

can you guys recommend this

it comes with a lens protector too

vrcover's one is out of stock

[haughty thistle]

I'm a little sus about this one. It says in the description that it's for the Quest, but then shows a picture of a CV1 and says Quest 2 compatible on another pic

It also looks like it might cause the same issues as with many of the first gen WMR headsets with the foam in the nose area just pushing your nose closed...

(I'm talking about how the foam extends into the nose area)

[thick nest]

big ooff

okay imma look for another one

wait this is not the only one with these pictures

i found another one with the same thing quest 1/cv1 and then says q2

[haughty thistle]

Probably something mass-produced in China and then just branded under different names. I'd stay a bit weary of these kinda products, as they rarely are of any quality...

[sly falcon]

ive had experience with these kinda things , they are always dumb shit made for pennys

[umbral garden]

Just gave my mother a heart attack by full on punching a shelf lol

[sly falcon]

lol, ive done that so many times my mom doesnt even care

[umbral garden]

I need to get used to the boundaries

So far I’ve really been enjoying my quest 2 tho

[sly falcon]

yeah q2 is pretty cool, didnt get it cause I A didnt have the money and B hate facebook

[umbral garden]

I had an account anyway so I was like “fuck it”

[sly falcon]

ive got a fb account but I still dont like their practices with banning and shit

so I just use it to advertise steamvr things like FBT and Outside in tracking

[umbral garden]

Also, is there any way to know if an application is actually running at 90fps?

[sly falcon]

check how smooth it is

if its smooth its 75 if its smooth AF its 90

[umbral garden]

I don’t know how to tell the difference lol

This is my first headset

[sly falcon]

ok actual awnser, shake the controller, does it look like multiple controllers or more of a blur

idk how else to describe it cause I main a vive so 90hz is my life, i barely use 72

[umbral garden]

Will check in a bit

[sly falcon]

just curious why do u need to know?

[hazy oyster]

How real and impactful are the negative effects of VR headsets on eyes? Any ideas anyone?

[sly falcon]

not very impactful, ive been doing vr for a year, two hours a day and I still dont need glasses

[hazy oyster]

That's encouraging

[sly falcon]

and thats on top of like 6 years of normal gaming

[hazy oyster]

Lol

Either what you are saying is completely true or you have super eyes lol

[sly falcon]

idk everyone else im my family extended included has needed glasses

but my vr friends dont either so I wouldnt say eye concerns are very real

[hazy oyster]

Thanks man appreciate it

[sly falcon]

np

[umbral garden]

I was just wondering because it’s a relatively new feature that was “being rolled out” which, to me, meant that it’s a rolling release and I might not have it yet

I haven’t any issues with the frame rate though so even it was 72 it isn’t a big issue

[sly falcon]

its in experimental

[harsh niche]

it's released

but not for everyone yet

out of beta finally

[sly falcon]

ahh, the only time I used the q2 was like a week after its release at my uncle's

so idk alot outside of basic features like that the sde was near 0

[haughty thistle]

I know for a fact that I probably will never use a Q2. Besides the FB factor, they also probably will never sell the headset over here in germany. I've heard it's due to the fact that companies can't tie a hardware product to a service like Facebook, but I'm not 100% sure on that

[harsh niche]

can't you just buy one off of ebay if you really felt like it

[umbral garden]

Or import one from literally any other country in the EU

[untold hill]

What are everyone's favorite beatsaber levels?

[umbral garden]

Btw does anyone heer have any idea when the quest 2 elite strap will be for sale again?

Because I really want one lol

[sly falcon]

My fav level so far has been supernova, downloaded it as a joke but its actually quite fun to play

[untold hill]

Really? Who's map?

[sly falcon]

the one linus uses, lemme get the file one sec

https://bsaber.com/songs/4a47/ this one

[umbral garden]

I don’t have a cable nor a gpu that can run link so unfortunately I only have the standard maps to play with

[gray reef]

All three songs in the extrasensory series are really good

[sly falcon]

link em, I need some new songs

[gray reef]

https://beatsaver.com/beatmap/fc2e

https://beatsaver.com/beatmap/da60

[sly falcon]

pwogga

[gray reef]

https://bsaber.com/songs/decf/

There are a few more I think, but those are the ones that I’ve played

[gloomy crater]

So far, my favorite map is Jimwarrior's map of Overkill by Riot. Much better than the map that you can buy as part of the monstercat pack

https://bsaber.com/songs/56b8/

[untold hill]

I'm not QUITE good enough yet for some of these, but they are indeed fun

[sly falcon]

im like almost good enough for a few of em, Overkill just kills me tho

[untold hill]

There are pretty large sections I do well, There are just some patterns I'm not quite fast enough with yet

[sly falcon]

I can ONLY do fast, idk why but I trip on slower songs

[haughty thistle]

Amazon France used to ship the Q2 to Germany, but I think most stores just say "this product doesn't ship to Germany" or something. I kid you not, it's like trying to buy something that is illegal in just your country (well in some regards it kinda is, I guess)

[pastel echo]

Hopefully other countries will take a stance against facebook and after they've already collected millions of dollars in data they'll change things to a form that can be allowed in Germany

[haughty thistle]

But besides that I have no interest in the Q2 anyways, because of FB and because Quest Link in general is not good enough for me

[stuck nova]

https://bsaber.com/songs/100f0/ to answer the question of fav bs map

this jams, and the map is super fun

I have like an 88.6% on it or something id have to check

[umbral garden]

Y’all are making me really jealous of having a gpu that can run it lol

[haughty thistle]

In terms of Gameplay my Fav map is this one: https://bsaber.com/songs/deea/
But in terms of Visuals (Wall Map) it has to be this one: https://bsaber.com/songs/c767/

[undone patrol]

My favourite map so far would have to be https://bsaber.com/songs/b51b/

definitely not easy, but still fun
Id also give Honourable mentions to Arche, B L A C K - R A Y and Wizdomiot

[thick nest]

bruh my q2 order is still processing

is that normal

i ordered it yesterday

[undone patrol]

yes

idk about Q2, but index que was, maybe is, about 8 weeks

[stuck nova]

talking about ranked wiz?

pretty fun tbh, i barely practice acc so I have like a 89? on it

The "new" arche is fun AF

black ray is pretty nice too

[clear quiver]

I've been thinking about VR recently and I was thinking what to upgrade. I did the steam VR test, and it said my was capable, but I don't know if that's true. It also said my GPU was capable. I have a i5-3570k and a AMD Radeon HD 6900. Do you guys think I could run VR if I only got a better gpu?

[carmine wharf]

get a better cpu

for sure

[clear quiver]

wait nvm I got it backwards

The test said my CPU was capable

but not my gpu

[carmine wharf]

you need a new cpu and gpu

that i5 is like

very minimum

[clear quiver]

Yeah

My whole build is pretty much just scrap

[carmine wharf]

i looked it up and it says the 6900 is worse than a 950 😳

you cant run vr on a 950 either so

[clear quiver]

Why would steam say the cpu was fine then

hehe steam funni

[carmine wharf]

your cpu is Slightly above the minimum

like within 5%

[clear quiver]

so does that mean the lowest settings on every game and barely above 90 fps

[carmine wharf]

i honestly have no clue

[balmy adder]

I'm so unlucky

got two faulty oculus quest 2s in a row

first time was bad alaising then just a few days ago I decided to file a rma for my rattling left controller and high pitched rumble on right controller, those issues have been there since I got my replacement i think but I only decided to try to get another replacement now because it's bothering me and why not get new ones

[umbral garden]

The i5 might work but that GPU is trash

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, the i5 3570 might work for headsets like the CV1, OG Vive or Index and perhaps even WMR or the Rift S, but it lacks the power for Quest Link for sure

The HD 6900 (nice) is defo too weak for VR. something with at least 6GB of VRAM and the power of a 1060 or higher is recommended for a decent VR experience

The reason I grouped the Index with the Vive is because of the requirements for the Tracking are pretty similar between the two headsets

Always put the headset into context when talking about hardware requirements. I'd still suggest upghrading that CPU for a good VR experience. Even if it might work for a more simpler Tracked headset

[sly falcon]

whenever I shake my vive wand they drift off a bit and then come back? are my controllers just busted or is the basestation miscalibrated

[haughty thistle]

Sounds pretty normal

[umbral garden]

I underestimated how much of a workout beat saver can be

Sweating like crazy 😛

[carmine wharf]

are you sketchy

[umbral garden]

Definitely

[carmine wharf]

ah

[valid viper]

did yall see the new apple product?

[umbral garden]

What now

[carmine wharf]

What new apple product

[sly falcon]

?

[lofty minnow]

i just sold my index

congratulate me

pls

i feel bad

jk im getting the g2

cus i value resolution and clarity more

[odd pivot]

Good for you

I also value that, however I have an original quest and I just built a pc

So no upgrades

[sullen linden]

Anyone find a good long cable to use with oculus quest 2. Can't find a good one and original is out

[zinc timber]

Shoulda kept both if you can afford it

G2 works with knuckles and its controllers are easily the weakest part

[pastel echo]

Mann don't tell him that after the fact ☠️

[stuck nova]

[sly falcon]

I would get the G2 but I despise windows mixed reality portal

[zinc timber]

steam integration works fine for me

[haughty thistle]

I intend on basically never use the G2 Controllers. I'm looking forward to mine to ship (apparently I'm in the batch starting to ship on the 10th)

[umbral garden]

I always wonder why you need such a relatively high powered gpu to run link

A 1050ti isn’t supported, but surely that has more power than a mobile chip in such a small form factor

[rustic garnet]

idk if it does

[haughty thistle]

The big problem with Quest Link is that it rendered the PC games at a way higher res then Native to shift the image in case the game can't keep up (SteamVR reprojection like). It also has to encode the Image on the PC, rather then just outputting it to a connected display. This means the GPU needs to be able to render to a virtual framebuffer and expose it to the CPU with enough bandwidth for the encoding to happen quickly enough

Not every GPU that can run VR fine on a similarly speced headset can run Quest Link due to just how Quest Link works

[umbral garden]

I see

I’ll just get a 1060 and hope it gives a similar experience as the quest 2 natively

Actually I can get a 1070, noice

[haughty thistle]

Just keep in mind that the Encoding process for Quest Link is quite CPU heavy, so I'd suggest at least a 6 core CPU for Link

[umbral garden]

I have a ryzen 3100 lul

[sly falcon]

wow just cleaned my lenses for the first timee, its so much clearer lmao

[haughty thistle]

Remember kids: always clean your VR lenses to get a clearer image

[umbral garden]

So the right way to do that is take keys to it, right?

Just kidding, but I don’t actually know

I should probably read my manual

[sly falcon]

glasses cleaner, lightly press it, go in a circle

[haughty thistle]

No! Don't use chemicals on your Headset lenses

Just take a lightly wet microfiber cloth and gently pull it over the lenses in a circle motion

Fresnel lenses are extremely fragile, and many chemicals can damage them

[rare sequoia]

what is the best Vr headset for beginners at the moment?

[haughty thistle]

If you don't mind Facebook knowing the most intimate information about you, the Quest 2

Otherwise, probably a used Vive or OG WMR headset. All being decently cheap options

[rare sequoia]

@haughty thistle can you not simply use some useless FaceBook account created just for the quest?

[haughty thistle]

You can, but Facebook will find you

It's not a question of "if", it's a question of when

[rare sequoia]

and kill me?

fair enough

[haughty thistle]

No, you will get banned, and you basically have a 300$ (or 400$ for the 256GB version), paperweight

Also, all of your purchases are gone as well

[acoustic gate]

But cant you just create a new account? Or will Facebook just brick the headset

[haughty thistle]

I'm pretty sure they're extra careful on Headsets on which the last account got banned

Plus: Scientists have found that with just a few minutes of movement data from a VR Headset, one can reliably identify a person, even if no other information are known, and even if another person of the same household is present in the dataset

[acoustic gate]

That is terrifying

Just makes me doubt more of what headset I want

[haughty thistle]

Here's the article about it: https://www.roadtovr.com/stanford-vr-motion-identity-research/

[acoustic gate]

😬

[pastel echo]

I mean duh

pretty sure my phone could reasonably deduce who I am out of a similar pool of people though

...

Any quest 2 owners wanna talk about accessories?

I got $500 to spend on quest 2 and quest 2 related goods

This my list thus far

I need a good link cabel still hoping something that can be plugged into USB-C or USB a will come abouty

[haughty thistle]

I'm pretty sure it cannot. Your phone knows roughly at what angle you're holding it, and where you touch it and how often you touch it. The front camera is turned off usually to safe power.
A VR headset knows how you're moving (rotation, position, speed) your hands and head. And that just what they've measured there. Oculus headsets know a lot more about how you're holding the controller tho

[pastel echo]

I mean if you wanna get real with it google straight up knows my name and banking details

[haughty thistle]

About Link cables: I can recommend the Anker Power line .9m Type-C to Type-A cable and the Ugreen 5m USB3 extension

[pastel echo]

not sure if I misunderstood what exactly they're going for with can identify you but just about every person on this planet has their life in their pocket

And yet they expect google to somehow be so more kind to their data than facebook

[haughty thistle]

That's because Google is transparent what they're doing with data

[pastel echo]

Facebook's a bunch of assholes but Google has the same capability as they do or better yet maybe they just don't suck so bad at not getting caught

That really doesn't mean anything when we get into the discussions of what the future holds now does it though?

[haughty thistle]

Facebook tries to deny it, and actively ignores privacy settings set by users. I'm not kidding, there have been leaks of such

[pastel echo]

I know

I don't really trust em

but when you get right down to it the data's out there and it's a matter of whether you can go full tilt on securing it or not

I have an android phone and I use Instagram, unless I go off the grid I'm already fucked so what more is a VR headset gonna do to me

[haughty thistle]

That's my problem with Facebook. Not that they collect data (everyone does), but that they put a middle finger to what you allow them to do with the data and use it anyways

[pastel echo]

maybe it'll help em prepare some custom shackles for me when the end of times comes

I'd like if they don't tug on my arm hair too much lol

[haughty thistle]

I don't have Facebook, I don't have Instagram, heck even for WhatsApp I usually use a seperate device...

[pastel echo]

I support you on this

I'm been socially pressured into using Instagram so I'm already a lost cause on that front

[haughty thistle]

Oof

[pastel echo]

Not much to do when everyone you know and love uses the service, odd men out just get left behind

[haughty thistle]

For me personally Instagram is just like TikTok: a place full of A$$es that steal content from other platforms and claim it their own

[pastel echo]

Yeah I mainly use it as a cheap source of memes and a messenger equivalent

[haughty thistle]

My use of reddit in a nutshell lol

[pastel echo]

I wont use messenger though because the last time I put that cancerous malware on my phone it instantly stole all my contact data and didn't forget any of it til earlier this year

I can't remove facebooks data on me so I just do what I can to curve them in the wrong direction

[haughty thistle]

I'd guess they still are holding onto the data, but pretend to you it's not there

[pastel echo]

responding to the suggested friends that I have no clue who they are

ignoring the ones that are real

they still have the data

but if I can make them just a bit more wrong it's the best you can do right?

[haughty thistle]

Be random about it

[pastel echo]

I'm pretty sure AI can break down on random at this point to be honest

[haughty thistle]

If you always say no to friends and always say yes to strangers, their algorithm will pick up on it

[pastel echo]

in some cases they even track how long you hover on certain buttons or if you view certain aspects of pages

Man data is scary

this year has been a really good example of how you can use data and media to sway the public opinion

[carmine wharf]

damn the 3060 ti looks good

[pastel echo]

Honestly though yeah

[carmine wharf]

is the 3070 even worth it anymore

[haughty thistle]

I haven't watched the LTT review yet (or any review actually)

Just didn't had the time yet

[carmine wharf]

it gets slightly more fps on average than a 2080 super

[haughty thistle]

[carmine wharf]

for $399

[haughty thistle]

Dayum'

Welp... At least my 3090 doubles as a Space heater xD

[carmine wharf]

is the 3090 really even made for gaming? i thought it was advertised as basically a cheaper titan card

[haughty thistle]

Nope

It was advertised as the "World's first 8k Gaming GPU"

Straight from Nvidia marketing

[carmine wharf]

but it cant even do 8k 60fps?

[pastel echo]

I mean

[haughty thistle]

In some games, yes

[pastel echo]

does the world's first 8K gaming card have to do 60Fps?

[haughty thistle]

With DLSS in even more games, yes

[carmine wharf]

i mean i could probably do 8k in like fuckin minecraft or something on a 2080ti

they should specify

[haughty thistle]

For me it's more to actually hit 100% resolution scale on the G2 at 90fps

Control with DLSS, Doom Eternal at Ultra Nightmare (without DLSS) just to name 2

[carmine wharf]

well thats kinda the pc spec

[haughty thistle]

You can watch the review from LTT about 8k gaming on the 3090

It's not as impressive as Nvidia made it out to be

[carmine wharf]

too much caps

[haughty thistle]

Oof

[carmine wharf]

why the hell are companies still putting down "minimum specs" that can only do low at 1080p 30fps

[haughty thistle]

Because Consoles

[pastel echo]

I'm not too mad at that tbh

It's not like 30fps is thaaat bad

[haughty thistle]

It wouldn't give a good look to PC gaming if you need a high-end pc for good performance

[carmine wharf]

cyberpunk 2077 did it right, all the specs say what resolution they are and they all run 60hz

[thick nest]

i use my nintendo switch on 30hz all the time i feel the difference it is huge but it is playable

though fast reflex titles it was super noticable

[carmine wharf]

all these are 60fps im pretty sure and they rt ones us dlss

honestly with the switch im fine with 30fps

[haughty thistle]

Can we bring this channel back to VR?
There are other places to continue this discussion

[carmine wharf]

ah true

30fps vr

[thick nest]

death

bascially

[pastel echo]

Yeah I support this

[haughty thistle]

Virtuality and SegaVR say hello

Virtual Boy was 10Hz tho

[pastel echo]

Speaking of VR seriously though not sure what to buy while buying a quest

[carmine wharf]

wait really

[thick nest]

uhh

[thick nest]

wdym

like accessories

[carmine wharf]

i thought the virtual boy was like 30hz??

[pastel echo]

gonna wait on straps and stuff until they get better, but I got a case, rechargable batteries, and I gotta get a link cable

am I missing anything?

[carmine wharf]

good earbuds

[thick nest]

vr cover

[haughty thistle]

I honestly don't know xD

[thick nest]

he can use over the ear headphones too

[pastel echo]

You mean like the facial interface or is vr cover something else?

[thick nest]

yep

[carmine wharf]

why use over ears

[thick nest]

better

[carmine wharf]

iems are fine for vr

[haughty thistle]

VRcover Facial interface replacements

They are much better then their cover thingies

[pastel echo]

I've got a pair of dewalts I'll use for now, but I have $150 budget I can hit so reccomendations are good

[thick nest]

yeah those have the best quailty

[thick nest]

oh yeah get a battery bank

and strap it on the back

2-3 hours aint gonna do you much

[haughty thistle]

Sennheiser GameOne as headphones

[pastel echo]

Definitely gonna find a good one and save it to buy when my VR sickness stamina starts exceeding the battery

[thick nest]

i might get one today

[carmine wharf]

hold up gonna use my orpheus as vr headphones

[thick nest]

found a good reliable one 10k mah and its pretty cheap

[pastel echo]

I did a REALLY BAD job of dealing with VR sickness with my rift CV1 and now it's lower then when I started haha having to build it back up

[thick nest]

im gonna use my Sony gold headset

[carmine wharf]

speaking of headphones

i feel like the oculus quest is like beats and everything else is like sony and bose

[thick nest]

its in white too so it will match the quest 2

[pastel echo]

That's pretty sick

[carmine wharf]

oculus quest they advertise a ton

but nobody else advertises at all basically

[thick nest]

yeah actually

[pastel echo]

To be fair the VR market isn't as big as buying headphones

[thick nest]

bruh the quest ads i've goten

[carmine wharf]

i installed youtube vanced because i kept getting the same annoying push the button quest 2 ad every single video

[pastel echo]

They work though, my grandma asked me if she should get a relative of mine the Oculus quest and I had to tell her that relative is under 13 and can't even make a facebook account let alone understand what it means to use facebook

[thick nest]

the guy keeps talking about how his VRcover is insanly comfortable and stuff

[thick nest]

doesnt oculus have parental mode

[pastel echo]

I've been heavily restricting my data leaks and it's helped with the stupid annoying same ad everytime thing

[pastel echo]

I am not having my grandmother make a facebook account

[carmine wharf]

if you go on r/oculus and look at the complaints from people not wanting to make a facebook account all the replies are people just saying "its not that bad get over it"

its like a cult

[thick nest]

i made my grand parents one

[pastel echo]

I mean really though it's not that bad get over it. If you're someone who complains about needing one do not buy the headset and improve their sales

[thick nest]

big oofff

[pastel echo]

if you complain about needing the facebook account and still buy the headset literally what are you doing

[thick nest]

there isnt really a choice other than the quest

[carmine wharf]

ive seen people who despise facebook but still want to get a quest 2

[pastel echo]

There is a choice called not doing VR

[thick nest]

maybe psvr but that thing sucks

[carmine wharf]

its the only option really

psvr is outdated

[pastel echo]

it's not like VR is THE thing you have to have it's barely aged enough to even be considered real gaming in my opinion

[carmine wharf]

fair enough

[thick nest]

doesnt really matter if data and privacy died years ago

[carmine wharf]

why dont vr headsets or consoles come in different colors man

i want a blue index

[thick nest]

cyan q2

[carmine wharf]

thats a thing

?

[thick nest]

nani

[pastel echo]

because the market isn't big enough to justify producing multiple skus

[thick nest]

wut

[pastel echo]

There are people who skin them though

[carmine wharf]

id skin my index when i get it but itd just look like swiss cheese

[thick nest]

noice

[pastel echo]

I'm just annoyed the quest 2 is apparently plastic white

very annoying to look at, gonna be a beach and a half to keep clean, and it wont feel nice

the quest 1 my friend has is what I'd expect from a quest

[carmine wharf]

i wonder if its possible to 3d print my own index shell

[thick nest]

dbrand

you have to do it

[pastel echo]

dbrand

[carmine wharf]

i love dbrand

[thick nest]

DBRAND DO IT

[pastel echo]

if Dbrand did a quest 2 skin I'd probably even pay $30 for it

[thick nest]

me too

[pastel echo]

might even consider $40 to not look at the stupid white

[carmine wharf]

(though i will admit their twitter goes a bit too far sometimes for my liking)

[thick nest]

what

do they do

[pastel echo]

be weird and edgy to my understanding

[carmine wharf]

yeah but that doesnt bother me

[thick nest]

wait imma check it out

[carmine wharf]

what bothers me is sometimes they just bother people a bit too much and it turns into insults

[pastel echo]

My laptop is coming with a direct purchase Dbrand skin and it's kinda sick ngl

[carmine wharf]

i like the dbrand discord and ive bought a few skins

[pastel echo]

I like that Dbrand offers skins directly to manufacturers

[carmine wharf]

their twitter is just eugh

[pastel echo]

to be fair though

that has you talking about them to me

which is making me even more so inclined to double check if their website has skins for anything I use

[thick nest]

ok yeah

they tried looking normal not formal

didnt work out

[pastel echo]

Excuse me

the what?

[thick nest]

wut

[pastel echo]

Oh

[thick nest]

NANI

[pastel echo]

it links to the MKBHD collab

[thick nest]

ok wow

[pastel echo]

freaking Dbrand pranked my ass and I fell for it

[carmine wharf]

yeah right now isnt the best time to buy dbrand

they are ONLY selling icons right now

btw the cybertruck skins are legit they just arent being sold right now

[pastel echo]

Oh

well Dbrand doesn't sell skins for anything I use anyway

which is a shame because the icons is cool

[carmine wharf]

ikr

[pastel echo]

If they supported the LGv60 I'd be so happy

[carmine wharf]

ive skinned my phone and my switch but they dont make skins for anything else that i own

[thick nest]

i wanted to skin my switch

[carmine wharf]

id love to skin some xm4's or my buds live

[thick nest]

but got a cover instead

way better grip

[carmine wharf]

damn we got off topic again

[thick nest]

shit

vr

[pastel echo]

uhhh dbrand quest 2

good yess

[thick nest]

cyan quest 2 kinda sus

[pastel echo]

quest 2 the dbrand collab kinda quirky looking on that switch lite though

Valve index and I have been seeing some cheap switch lites in my area though 👀

[thick nest]

not sure what happened with switch lite but i dont want to switch conversations

[pastel echo]

Windows mixed reality Not sure what you mean I'm discussing VR?

can't you see my header for each discussion point

[thick nest]

HTC VIVE vr kinda cool tho

[pastel echo]

lol but it sounds like I need still

Facial interface, Link cable, Power bank, and audio solution

I have work arounds for two of those things for now but link cable and Facial interface I do gotta get

[thick nest]

i dont have facial interface yet

vrcover still out of stock

oh yeah my order is still processing

its been 2 days

bruh

[pastel echo]

I kinda want to get the 256GB quest 2 but when I really look at myself in the mirror and ask myself if I'm gonna buy games on oculus that I could buy on steam I tell myself no

[thick nest]

i wont suggest it

quest 2 games are small

[pastel echo]

and 3D movies are something that I can't see myself needing more than one of on the machine at a time

They said that for xbox one

but after the first 100GB game I downloaded 5 more popped up

and now my 2TB drive is looking shrimpy

[thick nest]

no its actually small

like most of the games are 2 4 gb

[pastel echo]

A 5GB game has popped up though hasn't it

that Walking dead game or whatever

[thick nest]

are you gonna buy that game

if no then no

[pastel echo]

It will become standard though surely

just like 80GB is now standard in AAA console games

[thick nest]

i've already downloaded 9 vr games on my pc

[pastel echo]

I guess if a game is all that big I can only buy games on quest 2 that would benefit from wireless

[thick nest]

i think i would download rec room big screen beat saber and a few other games in standalone mode

would use the other space for game development

[pastel echo]

I'm just not gonna have the best internet so deleting and redownloading games wont really be in my wheelhouse

[thick nest]

even though my games are like 300 mb per game

[thick nest]

back them up

on your pc

[pastel echo]

You can do that?

I thought quest didn't support transfer of native quest files

and quest games

[thick nest]

you can access the quest 2 as a drive

in windows

look it up

https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&client=opera-gx&hs=pMB&sxsrf=ALeKk01txcCFKSyk57YD_Hu1QUbtl-cRIg%3A1606837508507&ei=BGXGX8G4HuGd1fAPrJSwiAI&q=backing+up+the+quest+to+a+pc&oq=backing+up+the+quest+to+a+pc&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECAAQRzoECCMQJ1C0EViLF2CLGWgAcAN4AIABiAKIAcYFkgEDMi0zmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCMABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjByp-XkK3tAhXhThUIHSwKDCEQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#kpvalbx=_CWXGX8rRC4TfxgONg6HACw16

[pastel echo]

Thanks for giving me a link to googling the same question I googled haha

[thick nest]

lol

[pastel echo]

but I did find info that confirms it while you were doing that

[thick nest]

noice

[pastel echo]

Or rather

soem guy on reddit said you can store APK files

[thick nest]

ok

[pastel echo]

I find that kinda hard to believe because the APK file is what makes it easy to pirate but how can you not trust random redditors

[thick nest]

nope its an apk file

when you build a game(export ) it becomes an APK

this is from expierence

[pastel echo]

I meant I don't think you can move the APK off the quest

[thick nest]

through sidequest

[pastel echo]

Hmmmmm I'll just believe it and get the 64GB

[thick nest]

how do you load beat saber or game onto the quest ho lol

[pastel echo]

I have a friend who games very similar to me so I'll just ask him if he feels the 256GB is at all necesarry if I might have 1 movie stored on it at a time MAX

[thick nest]

and games on sidequest are APK's

[pastel echo]

yeah I know it's android based

[thick nest]

ok

[pastel echo]

I just assumed it'd have protections against taking oculus quest games off

like a protected or hidden folder or something

I'm sad that Sidequest will get official support because it will make pirating much more difficult but I'm also excited to see sidequest get official support

To be honest I wouldn't pirate quest games though because I think VR developers deserve the support

it's more of a stance based on the freedom of the user

[thick nest]

yeah

as a developer i would make all my games free

i hate that feeling when you see a game that you like then see the price tag

[pastel echo]

True, but I also understand the need

I just wish Demo's were more popular in modern day

I find it really odd I had played more Demos on my PS2 then I see these days

[thick nest]

bruh even though i worked about full 12 hours per day for 5 months i made it free

[pastel echo]

I don't know man you gotta have at least some sort of income tho

maybe not for VR apple picking 3D

[thick nest]

like a touch of ads or nah

[pastel echo]

but for games like Blade and Sorcery

I fully support the cost

Mans finally came out with the performance update so Imma be buying it again in January

[thick nest]

linus released the 3060 ti review

[pastel echo]

watched it

liked it

[thick nest]

me too

[pastel echo]

I may get a free 7.1 surround sound headset with my laptop purchase

if I do I'll use that with my quest 2

My plan is to just have a short aux cable for quest and a long aux cable for computer

and move the headset around

[thick nest]

i got a ps gold headset in 2018

its still working normally

bruh still after 2 years that surround sount effect is pretty cool

ok imma go get the power bank now

[pastel echo]

damn don't get free headset because I got liquid metal and windows 10 pro

but I think pro comes with less bloatware so it's all good

oh nevermind

[thick nest]

nani

[pastel echo]

it comes with more when you're not actually planning to use any of the pro features

oh well

[thick nest]

wdym

[pastel echo]

I need exactly none of this

[thick nest]

you talking about windows right?

[pastel echo]

I just wanted a liquid metal VR ready PC with good specs

[thick nest]

me too

[pastel echo]

didn't even notice the deal I got signed me up for all this pro stuff

[thick nest]

why liquid metal though

[pastel echo]

Thermals

issa laptop

[thick nest]

not really that big of a difference

get a laptop fan cooler

[pastel echo]

On laptops it do be mattering though

[thick nest]

its like 20 dollars

mine helped a ton

[pastel echo]

Here's the thing though

[thick nest]

temperatures went 20 c down

[pastel echo]

it was on sale and came out to around the same price as not having liquid metal

[thick nest]

oh ok

[pastel echo]

the only thing I lost out on was free headset, mouse, mouse mat, and HDMI cable

which if we're being really honest here I don't NEED any of that I just would of liked the headset

[thick nest]

ok

what was the headset

[pastel echo]

https://www.eluktronics.com/Eluktronics-Professional-Gaming-Headset?gclid=CjwKCAiA8Jf-BRB-EiwAWDtEGjv03pHlXo9G0Ea5qv8hnLa11sKDbMwbtejZBeHxo8bqLSZQEXbxaRoCcxUQAvD_BwE

[thick nest]

you sure this is "Professional"

[pastel echo]

It would have been free lol

[thick nest]

or "Gaming Headset"

[thick nest]

well yeah actually lol

thermal paste would've been more value lol

[pastel echo]

All in all not getting this crap attatched to my order saved me $200 and got me liquid metal

However I do admit it also means I have upgrade the ram and storage myself but that's what totaled it out to the same price minus the extra crap that I probably don't need

I mean why would I need their mouse mat when I'm gonna buy the LTT one

Also I have a headset company using me to farm five star reviews so I'll just use the cheaper headset that company gives me for free

[carmine wharf]

"ultimate gaming bundle"

all you ever need is a usb C cable, mouse, mousepad, and headset

[pastel echo]

I'd say the 4 things in that set are useful

but I do own all 4 of those things

so who cares haha

[hasty hornet]

Guys what do you think of my Oculus Rift CV1?

[haughty thistle]

The CV1 is still a pretty great headset

It compared to the OG Quest for PCVR, the CV1 beats the Quest in all but two areas: ease of setup and SDE. But in any other way (including image sharpness) the CV1 beats the OG Quest. This ofc could've changed with the Quest 2 (I don't have any hands-on experience with it), but generally speaking, if you have an older Oculus Account, a really good option imo

About the way you're storing it: as long as that shelf space doesn't let in the sunlight from the window through the back, the CV1 should be fine being there

[thick nest]

@pastel echo i got the power bank

its 10k mah

for 14 dollars

with usb c fast charging

and wireless charging

and they added small suction cups to hold the phone to the power bank so that it could charge wirelessely

[rustic garnet]

Isn't that just 10 amp hours

Kilo and milli cancel each other

[thick nest]

10000mAh

[rustic garnet]

Yeah

milli- means a thousandth

10000/1000 ah

=10 ah

[lofty minnow]

i cant afford that though i would've loved having the g2 and the knuckles cus ⭐ fingwes ⭐

[haughty thistle]

To be totally honest, I'd rather be stuck with the CV1 and it's low resolution and Gen1 lenses, then having to deal with the G2 controllers. One of my main games is VRChat, and from what I've heard, it's barely playable with the G2 controllers as Gestures are a lot harder to do...

Remember, the G2 controllers don't have any capacitive sensing. Something that is basically standard on all other VR controllers (even the Vive Wand touchpad, if that counts)

[lofty minnow]

yea i saw the review from thrillseeker but i dont play vrchat, i mostly played boneworks and stride

[unreal bloom]

Help. I'm getting pinged for no reason.

[lofty minnow]

mute the server

[unreal bloom]

for no reason

[lofty minnow]

hmm

how

[thick nest]

oh ok

[umbral garden]

I just realised

The stickers that come on the quest 2 leave so much residue

It’s insane

[pastel echo]

Got the link my guy?

[thick nest]

yep 2 cables

my payment is now processing for shipment

finally

[harsh niche]

what stickers? I don't remember any on mine

[pastel echo]

Bro no I meant the link to your battery pack

Web link

[thick nest]

oh ok

one problem tho

this company only exists in my country

you'll think thats its not reliable but trust me it is

they make pretty nice quality stuff

way the normal age

https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Charger-Anker-PowerCore-20100mAh/dp/B00X5RV14Y/ref=sr_1_19?dchild=1&keywords=eq+power+bank&qid=1606893795&sr=8-19

this thing is on sale

pretty nice and 21ah

[umbral garden]

The protective ones that are on the lenses

They had disclaimers on them

[harsh niche]

oh, I didn’t notice the residue at all

though I did wipe it with a microfiber towel later the day I got it

[haughty thistle]

That doesn't sound normal. These lens protective stickers should peel off residue free, as they usually don't use glue at all, but rather a type of microstructure on the "stickers" that is sticky in nature...

I don't know about the Q2 tho, so it might be that they actually cheaper out and used actual glue. In which case you might have a production defect...

[pastel echo]

Just placed the order for the quest 2

Right after deciding I'd get the 64 instead of the 256 and spend the money on more accessories they sold out on Amazon with no restock listed

256 for me it is 😎😎😎

[thick nest]

noice

guess what

the payment went through

[gentle coral]

Anker is a very well known brand for battery banks and is available in many countries, so you don't need to worry.

Also I recommend using the mAh rating as that is the industry standard nomenclature (in terms of marketing). So 10000 mAh would be the easiest thing to say, as it is what people would search for online. Even though you are correct that that is the same as 10Ah.

I will be making some vr headset stickers soon for the headsets I use, I really wish I could go in and use the vinyl cutter I have access to. I'll post how they turn out at some point.

Also Anker products are highly recommended by many VR headset makers (i have heard from people both at oculus and HTC that they are one of the first brand of cables and batteries that they usually try to make sure work, as many devs use Anker during development and testing).

[umbral garden]

See for yourself: https://youtu.be/H-ZODDVHJSk (also yes I filmed vertically sorry not sorry)

Looks easy enough to clean off though

[gentle coral]

For those who haven't heard, Varjo just launched their new headsets, the Varjo XR-3 and VR-3. The new specs are great, and make most other vr headsets look quite sad in comparison if they hold true to what they are saying.

https://varjo.com/products/xr-3/
https://varjo.com/products/vr-3/

I hope I get to test these soon as I missed the time to test their previous headset.

The only thing I hate is that they require a subscription for software updates on top of the extremely high cost.

[pastel echo]

He linked an anker because the brand he actually uses is the country exclusive one

[gentle coral]

But they are cheaper then their previous headsets while also being much better.

[pastel echo]

Hmmm you got 2023 me interested with these

[gentle coral]

@pastel echo oh, I wondered if that was the case, it just sounded like he was going to link the country exclusive one.

[pastel echo]

I wish he had

Not much I could do to aquire a battery from the middle east anyway though 🤷

[gentle coral]

My friend really liked the Varjo VR-1 when he tried it in 2019. I will see if we can get a review unit at some point.

Sadly I don't have a computer that can run the new Varjo.

[umbral garden]

Well geez it’s a 3k headset

Of course it embarrasses other ones that are 1/3rd the price or less

[gentle coral]

The XR-3 is the really interesting one.

I definitely want to know the electronics brand from wherever @thick nest is, as I know a lot of people who travel a lot, and I have been trying to build a good list of brands in different countries for buying different items on trips.

@umbral garden you would be surprised how often the price does not match the quality. Case and point HTC Cosmos.

[pastel echo]

I find the highest quality goods are either overpriced and well known or underpriced and completely unheard of beyond the few who need them most

[gentle coral]

Varjo might actually be on its way to being the first truly well built profesional XR headset. And their only VR competition is the XTAL.

But in XR I don't see any competition with them at all except maybe the Vive Pro Eye, which they absolutely stomp in featureset.

I really need to get more headsets to compare side to side.

[thick nest]

its called EQ they make power banks covers speakers earbuds headphones and cables too i think

and mice and keyboards

[gentle coral]

Cool thank you I'll add it to my list

[thick nest]

what i just searched the website and found gaming chairs

by them

nanii

and backpacks

[gentle coral]

This article does a good job of explaining the varjo's unique type of screens. And a lot of other details.

https://www.roadtovr.com/varjo-xr-3-vr-3-announcement-specs-release-date-price

[umbral garden]

I’ll be interested when I can actually buy one 😛

[thick nest]

and mouse pads

[thick nest]

quite pricey for a vr headset

[gentle coral]

Now I do dislike their marketing as the only human eye resolution headset.

"The world’s only human-eye resolution (over 70 PPD) mixed reality headset with the widest field of view (115 degrees) guarantees the most naturally immersive mixed reality experience ever constructed."

As resolution in our eyes is not a fixed thing.

[thick nest]

the shouldnt compare it to other vr headsets like the q2 with is a %10

of the price

i think this will explode in the vr arcade area

[gentle coral]

Don't you mean 10%

[thick nest]

oh yeah wait

[gentle coral]

Or tell me where you found a 2.99 dollar quest right NOW

[thick nest]

oculus.com

best buy

and i think walmart had it too

micro center had it im not sure

[gentle coral]

Those are 299.99

[thick nest]

oh ok

lol

[thick nest]

ali express

and wish

[gentle coral]

I was making a joke on your Q2 being 0.1% cost of Varjo.

[thick nest]

yeah i know

[umbral garden]

Alright I’ve read the article and that is pretty cool

[gentle coral]

I definitely agree that headsets like the Varjo will make sense for high end arcades.

When I tried the StarVR beta unit at IMAXVR in LA I was sold on the high end VR arcade idea.

The only problem is pricing, and getting good games that people come back for. Many VR arcades don't work since you can't usually save your progress, or only have 15 to 20 minute "gamified experiences".

Also it needs to be in enough arcades that you can have competitions with other arcades around the world.

This also extends to VR esports competitions which are a mixed bag right now (due to both covid, and since Oculus was a big proponent of them but is now separating itself from PCVR).

An old article about the State of VR Esports. Though also a great introduction to it.

https://www.vrroom.buzz/vr-news/sports/whats-ahead-vr-esports-2020#:~:text=VR esports combine the best,offers a level playing field.

The segmentation between oculus and PCVR will definitely hurt the ease of getting into VR esports as it will end up being two completely separate groups (which it already was for some games).

[rustic garnet]

you usually can't save your progress
Maybe they could do something like a member card or something that identifies you and loads the right save

[haughty thistle]

Hmm... On the video it looks like the lenses were damaged by chemicals actually. If you can't clean it off with a lightly wet towel, then you should RMA your headset

[umbral garden]

Will try to clean it off

Doesn’t look like damage to me though

[haughty thistle]

Like I said: on the video
Ofc it can look like residue or something. You know, on a picture you're kinda missing a whole dimension...

[umbral garden]

Fair

[thick nest]

get a micro fiber cloth

put some water on it

and clean it

that should do the trick

just a bit of water

a touch to be exact

or just enough to remove the residue

[trim fractal]

anyone know if the new Valve VR headset is worth it?

[sly falcon]

IMO, Yes but it depends on what you are looking for in a vr headset

[haughty thistle]

The Valve Index is worth every penny imo. But you always have to keep in mind, whether it's worth to you spending 1k on a device that you're going to use however much you intend on using it for...

[trim fractal]

thats all i needed to hear, it was between the rift s and index

or the vive pro but lets be honest does anyone even have that anymore

[sand pewter]

true

[sly falcon]

used or bust on the vive pro its overpriced AF

[sullen linden]

i think the major selling point of the index for me at least is the controller

i like how you can use the index controllers with the vive

[sly falcon]

thats just steam being nice, I love steamvr

[thick nest]

and the 144hz refresh rate and fov

[umbral garden]

Used a microfiber cloth and it all came off easy

But now I do notice a lot of clouding lol

[haughty thistle]

You mean the lenses fog up?

[umbral garden]

Guess I’ll have to get some better sealing headband things

[umbral garden]

Yes

[haughty thistle]

I never had any Headset lens fog up on me funny enough. And I am a pretty heavy sweater (my guess why two right Index controllers died on my is because of sweat intrusion, but no official word on that)

[carmine wharf]

full kits now ship in 4-6 weeks

for the index

[umbral garden]

It’s my breath in this case

And also appears to only be the right lens

That’s a shame, sold out :(

[mighty thicket]

Hello

Could someone please help me

Been trying to setup my rift s for hoursn

Was so hyped fuck man

Someone help please

[flat otter]

sorry bud idk

[mighty thicket]

Please help

[sly falcon]

RMA ur rift s @mighty thicket I think its defective

[lofty minnow]

i feel you man, the knuckles strap stinked a lot after a beat saber session

[thick nest]

big ooffff

rip

RIft S

[gentle coral]

@mighty thicket if you have tried all your USB ports and double checked that the USB drivers, and oculus software are up to date, and it still says not detected then it might be a cable issue, which I would definitely RMA.

[thick nest]

try the usb ports at the back

[gentle coral]

I just finished my 10m PCVR extention cable for my G2.

[thick nest]

damnnn

thats hella long

hehe

i got a usb 2 extention i found at home connected it to my pc and checked the connection it was great

the extention itself is about 4-5 meters

[gentle coral]

Took forever to get five cords properly into the cable sleeve (displayport, displayport power, USB, USB power, and a 4 pole mic/ headphones extention.

[thick nest]

yeah big ooff

hopefully im gonna use virtual desktop or other wireless sulotions

bc my headphones are wireless and i want it to stay clean

[gentle coral]

I am so annoyed that the G2 doesn't have a 4 pole 3.5 mm jack. For my game play recordings and chatting with people I require my nice headphones and mic.

[thick nest]

really??

i hate when i see 2 pole ones

i hate having to use a splitter

i mean joiner

[gentle coral]

My older VR headsets all have 4 pole, so I can run my mic and headphones off of one port.

[thick nest]

it does work as both

yeah i see headsets like that

i dont have any like that

what is the 4th pole for

[gentle coral]

Any mic / headphone combo jack is 4 pole.

[thick nest]

mine is 3 poleas

poles

and its a headphone mic combo

[thick nest]

ohhhh

i see ones with 5 poles

not 4

forgot to count the one at the end

[gentle coral]

Each black bar represents a break between poles (common pole order frome left to right is mic, ground, right, left)

A 3 pole combo would either be single channel or have no ground (both would be very bad).

Also got a few more headset mics so I can keep one attached to each headset.

Been using V- Moda stuff for 10 years and I love their quality and fast service.

Also I prefer this mic over most other options (modmic, split out lavaler mic) since it works with most headphones, and doesn't require any extra cables. Also a few reviews have said that this has equivalent or better sound then the modmic, for quite a bit less.

https://theinventory.com/head-to-head-to-head-with-three-add-on-headphone-mics-1826085068

My next V-Moda purchase will definitely be their studio headphones. I also plan to get a good achromatic (uncolored) dac and amp for doing VR audio mastering for some experiences. Probably one of the THX AAA line of products.

I definitely recommend people try using a mic that is better then the built in one on most VR headsets, it makes a world of difference in any social VR situation or any time you are streaming VR games to twitch or YouTube or wherever.

I'll also give an update later if the 10m cable extension works.

[haughty thistle]

Doesn't the G2 come with a relatively decent mic already? Why need a seperate Boom mic, if the one included is already enough?
It's not like the Vive Mic...

[gentle coral]

No VR headset has a mic that is as good as a decent real plugged in mic.

And I have not talked with my friends in vrchat to check the mic quality

[haughty thistle]

I noticed, no matter how good your Mic, VRC will crush it down to somewhat of a potato quality.
With a few friends we tested this: one with a high quality XLR-Setup, one with an Index, one with a Vive and lastly one with a gaming headset. A seperate person to record everything. Everyone sounded basically as if they had the same mic, except for the Vive dude...

Some were bassy-er and others where more tinny, yes, but in overall quality, there was virtually no difference in what VRC made out of it

[fair meteor]

Looking for some new vr games to play. Any suggestions? (Right now I have beat saber, the Vader immortal games, espire 1, pistol whip, boneworks, blade and sorcery and some other games with vr support like phasmophobia)

[umbral garden]

Superhot is pretty fun

Don’t touch anything is also fun and a bit creepy

[pastel echo]

Super hot can be beaten before the steam return window is done

Built in demo lol

[haughty thistle]

Virtual Virtual Reality is a really cool one. Too bad it's basically a one-time play :/

[thick nest]

ofc gorn

[frigid adder]

having some minor irritations with my display port needing to be unplugged and replugged every time i start up my pc, any ideas on how i can work around this problem ^^;

[carmine wharf]

Stop using windows

Thats really the only fix I know of

[frigid adder]

.> so drop the OS that is a base requirement. gg

[carmine wharf]

Windows sucks and it sucks that we have to use it

[frigid adder]

well we do, so saying not to use windows is both a troll move and a dick move

[haughty thistle]

I had a weird issue with a certain DP cable I have. Dunno why, but when I use it with the mDP connector on my monitor, my PC has troubles booting. Maybe try another cable?

[carmine wharf]

It was a joke, sorry it didn't come off that way

[pastel echo]

I understood the joke, maybe a language barrier was at play

[odd pivot]

Bruh oculus is being dumb. I installed software on my pc, then when it runs it says it can’t connect to oculus service even though I have it downloaded lmao they need to fix installer, many people have this issue

Still can’t fix it though

[harsh niche]

wait can you use one of those splitters/joiners on the quest? or does all of the software not know to transmit that port instead of the mic

[haughty thistle]

I think the Quest only has a 3-pole headphone jack (aka only left and right audio, but no mic support)

[ashen badge]

Is it possible to make glasses via software only so that person sitting infront of a pc/ mobile don't have to wear his glasses?

[haughty thistle]

It's a physical issue. Not much that can be done with software in that regards.
Instead of having to wear glasses, you could also get a pair of Lens adapters for your headset

It's basically like glasses, but instead of putting them on your head, you put them on your headset

[ashen badge]

That's what Idk about or I couldn't think of

if I somehow manage to render the graphics correctly is it possible ? I mean what's the limitation there

isn't it basically putting virtual lens ?

I just can't do the math to figure out angle using which the image will fall in the person's retina

because in case of glasses we wear them so close to eye

in case of virtual glasses is it doable?

[sullen linden]

It's a physical lens focusing issue so I'm pretty sure even if you had everything lined up it'd still be blurry

As someone that doesn't wear glasses I can't really say what it's like

[ashen badge]

if blur blur cancels out that would be something then, just have to figure out the how part

well leaving this idea aside, can we make it in physical world

say a person is not wearing his/her glasses and now everything is blurry to him

can we make light effects and distance effects to a particular object in such a way that he can see that object clearly

[thick nest]

which headset are you thinking about

[ashen badge]

no no it's idea that can we make software/virtual glasses so that no one will have to ever carry/wear glasses

[haughty thistle]

This isn't possible. If someone who doesn't wear their glasses, the only other ways they can see anything in the real world sharp is by either looking at something at a very close focal point (like holding up a phone in their face) or by putting on contact lenses. Optical focus is physical, and can't be mitigated through software.
The only way I could think of being able to use a VR headset without having to wear glasses is if the focal point on the screen through lenses is more similar to an object a few centimeters away. But this will add tons of eye strain to regular people, which is why the focal point through the lenses is similar to focusing on an object about 2m away and still is a physical mitigation, not a software one

[harsh niche]

dang

[neon radish]

do you think i should a get a quest 2

[odd pivot]

Yes

Simple answer

@neon radish

You should

Amazing headset but it’s up to you if you want to pay that much money

[umbral garden]

Yuck

Just played a sweaty session of superhot and the sweat has gotten into the head band :(

[odd pivot]

Sad sweaty boi

[haughty thistle]

For PCVR there are much better options out there, but they all are more expensive then the Q2. If you're fine with Facebook knowing every ins-and-outs of you and your movement patterns, etc. The Q2 is an awesome headset for it's price (if you don't factor your privacy as part of the price)

[umbral garden]

Can confirm

I love the quest 2

Only issue I have is that the battery life is a little short but that can be fixed easily

[neon radish]

ok

what good games are on the quest 2

[umbral garden]

I only have three lul but I’m really enjoying them: Beat Saber, Superhot and Please, Don’t Touch Anything

Oh yeah and I’m mad that you can’t multitask :p

[thick nest]

well its not running on a pc

6 gb of ram

they'll need all of that

[odd pivot]

what good games are on the quest 2
@neon radish every vr game ever? With link at least but by itself it has a ton, just look it up I’m not going to list them all.

[coarse rover]

Different options, not better per se. The G2 has a bunch of launch issues (and is a WMR headset, so major tracking issues) and the Index has worse res than the Quest 2. The Quest 2 can also be used wirelessly, has hand tracking, and has panels that can run at 120hz (not implemented yet). With a DAS upgrade, it competes directly with both the G2 and the Index and wins in almost every way.

[sullen linden]

quest 2 coming soon

am happ boi

[thick nest]

that's actually a pretty good explanation

though it doesnt win in almost every way

i'd say its close

but not that good

maybe im wrong

bc mine hasnt arrived yet

[sullen linden]

i 'd hazard a guess to say they're all good

but all have their own optimal use cases

[zinc timber]

With a DAS upgrade, the Q2 is still worse for more competitive games than the index, or if you just play games that happen to benefit from high refresh rates, and it still looks worse than the G2. It sounds worse than either, if you care about that.

It's close enough that it's a great option, but I would hardly call it better

[gentle coral]

It would be interesting to see quest 2 overclocked screens at 120hz, i am guessing it would be like like index 144, where many screens would have lower life, or might not push it stability. Also battery life would be very low. And also even if the screens are higher resolution then the index, a standalone VR headset will never look as good as a full PCVR headset, since everything is rendered with worse textures and models since the headset can't run the games at the same level. Immersive games are always better on PCVR.

Also I am expecting that overclocking the quest 2 screens will need chroma subsampling.

Also the tweet that everyone is quoting isn't expressly about quest 2.

John Carmack-
"Important point: Don’t just default to the highest frame rate available, or your app will likely run poorly if we release 120 FPS support. With only two headsets, you should explicitly test different resolution / framerate / rendering feature sets."

He doesn't say support for what, though the likely guess is Quest 2, since a few reports have said that they tested Quest 2 up to 120hz (though might have been different screens.) He could mean a future headset, or just even software support for the desktop app.

I think I will look into what screens quest 2 is using, and their true max settings.

I have yet to personally try the Quest 2, but know enough but the internal specs that I know what has to be taken out of games to get it to run at even 90hz on Quest, and Quest 2.

Though I think the next few gens of standalone VR will get much better.

[sage saddle]

thinking how we are very near Ready Player 1 in terms of VR, completely wireless vr headsets, haptic suits, Facebook controlling you with the oculus quest 2 like IOI

[zinc timber]

eh
at least a decade off

[gentle coral]

We have the tech, but only in labs, and or it costs way more then a person usually wants to spend on anything otger then a car or house.

I would say probably $40000 dollars for the setup the main character had in his van.

And in 10 years it might only cost $4000 dollars or so.

I think I found the screen that Oculus modified for the Quest 2 (I have not confirmed it, but it seems likely).

https://www.panelook.com/VS055QUM-NH0-6KP0_BOE_5.5_LCM_overview_43073.html

its a BOE 5.5 inch 3840x2160 LCD that runs at 90Hz. They probably then cut it down to 3664x1920 which gives their 1832x1920 per eye resolution, or just turned off some of the center and edge pixels.

The throughput the screen can do at its native resolution and frame rate, and its modified resolution and at both 90 and 120 hz.

3840x2160x90= 746,496,000 pixels per second

3664x1920x90= 633,239,200 pixels per second

3664x1920x120= 844,185,600 pixels per second

I also expect that the driver chip that Oculus is using can push full 4k 120, which would be.

3840x2160x120=995,328,000 pixels per second

So if Oculus has modified the screen enough, then it is possible that it can push 120hz. If I had the money to rip apart a quest, I could probably test he screen independently on a MIPI display test-bench my friend made.

[gentle coral]

also these are probably the screens in the HP reverb G1 and G2 (I think the older higher contrast one is actually the one from the G1, and the newer lower contrast one is on the G2). The timelines for the production timeline for the screens makes sense in both cases. Also with the much better optics that valve helped design, there is still a chance that even with a lower contrast screen you can still have higher contrast due to better lenses, less distortion, and more balanced pixel brightness per pixel.

older high contrast one-
https://www.panelook.com/LS029B3SX06_Sharp_2.9_LCM_overview_41940.html

newer lower contrast one-
https://www.panelook.com/LS029B3SX06A_Sharp_2.9_LCM_overview_43937.html

[gentle coral]

So far while testing my G2, I have found only game bugs in Raw data, and beat saber. The Raw data issue is almost game braking as at any resolution setting from 10% to 150% it seems to be stuck at 13ms frametime's, I need a bit more time to check a few things. And in Beat saber I have noticed a bug that if my resolution is over 1500 x 1500 per eye, frametime's will spike to 90ms and crash the game right when it launches.

Also has anyone else noticed that the default 100% render resolution is 3164x3100 per eye. I immediately put it down to 60% or 2452x2400 per eye so that I can at least get into games before my GPU freaks out. I will give info on my per game resolution settings once I do more testing.

I am using fpsVR to check my frame times and GPU usage. Will record some graph data once I get everything playable.

For those who don't know I am running my G2 on a laptop with a 1070 MaxQ, i7-8750H, 32GB ram. I have some special undervolts (CPU) and overclocks (GPU) applied as well as Liquid metal on the CPU and GPU.

[haughty thistle]

The higher Res of the G2 in SteamVR is probably because SteamVR factors in the resolution loss when the lens correction kicks in. It's like a certain % of the resolution getting lost there, so my guess is that that's why it's set to be >3000p per eye. Also WMR might play a role here, as any non-native SteamVR headset I noticed like to render a way higher res then required. At least that's the case with Oculus, where not even a render mask is supplied, so SteamVR has a purposefully bad performance

[gentle coral]

Let me check my other WMR headset to check the render scale offset from the real resolution of the headset.

[haughty thistle]

The first thing I know happens for certain as my Index also shows up with >1500x1500 per eye at 100% renderscale. The second thing is definitely true for Oculus, but I'm not sure to what degree it applies to WMR, if at all...

[coarse rover]

Ahh, this is really interesting. I haven't been able to find anyone who knows what the screen is that they used for the headset and this panel does seem to fit the bill. They definitely cut down the OG panel, due to IPD adjustment delays.

[coarse rover]

Nor did I call it better, all I was saying was that with a DAS upgrade you would win in many ways, like hand tracking and portability. The Quest 2 loses in the most important areas (such as refresh rate and resolution), but still manages to strike a good balance between the two, while also adding extra features. What headset is perceived as better to use (excluding price and fragility) depends solely on the individual who is using it, and considering the price the Quest 2 is being sold at, I would only recommend for someone to buy a headset other than a Q2 if they already had a Q2.

[zinc timber]

wins in almost every way.
basically means better

[haughty thistle]

The Q2 might have an On-Paper higher resolution, but you will never see this resolution in PCVR applications. That's because the Encode resolution for Q2 Link is still hard coded at a lower then native resolution. This is to keep latency and compression artifacts in check

[coarse rover]

That's not true at all, you can supersample on Link actually

[haughty thistle]

SS is not the same as native resolution

It will render the image at a higher res, but the scale it down to the Encode resolution to send it over the cable

Plus Latency is still there on the Q2 in Link mode. Many people might not be able to notice it, but I'm one of those for whom this is an absolute deal breaker. It's barely low enough to not make me sick, but it's definitely noticable for me

[coarse rover]

oculus link got out of beta a couple weeks ago

[haughty thistle]

Latency is what makes VD unusable for btw

[coarse rover]

It is much better in terms of latency and compression

[haughty thistle]

As if I hadn't tried it yet...

[coarse rover]

Do you have v23?

[haughty thistle]

I have an OG Quest, and many of the Link improvements work for both OG as well as the 2

I haven't noticed a difference. And yes, I am on v23

[coarse rover]

On both the Oculus app and the Quest itself?

You need both for it to work better

[haughty thistle]

Latency hasn't improved, image sharpness, slightly. The main difference I'd say is that compression artifacts are reduced

I have both. My OG Quest is running v23, and the desktop app was updated before I even noticed...

[coarse rover]

Are you using a USB 3.1 cable?

[haughty thistle]

Uhhh... Yes?

You think I'm stupid?

[coarse rover]

The cable that comes in the box is USB 2.0, most people with the OG Quest will use that, giving them issues.

[haughty thistle]

I have the Oculus recommended 3rd Party Anker cable and a high quality USB3 extension from Ugreen. Never gave me any Trouble. Headset shows up as connected via USB3 and has a green dot

[coarse rover]

Have you tried it w/o the extender, most people in your position should not experience those issues, could be something wrong with the extender.

[gentle coral]

@coarse rover it takes a while to find some info, but my experience in designing VR i have found some ways to learn what hardwear is inside of most headsets

[coarse rover]

What VR design have you done?

[gentle coral]

Ive assisted on a few open source designs, and a few unreleased headsets. I do pre seed work for startups for free. In essence I give everyone I can an even playing field to design the best headsets they can. As there is not enough headsets for good competition, thus we have the current situation of standalone being fully controlled by Facebook, and PCVR being to expensive.

A few of the headsets I've worked on
Project north star,
Atmos VR,
KURA AR.

[haughty thistle]

Sorry for the late reply. My Anker cable is the .9m variant to reduce any issues with the cable being extended. I've also tried my passive 1.5m USB3 extension (used for my WMR Headset back in the day) and also once used my Index as a preliminary extender. All the same experience

I'm just very sensitive to Latency I guess...

[haughty thistle]

Oh boy... The story around Facebook and their VR dominance thiccens...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-03/facebook-accused-of-squeezing-rival-startups-in-virtual-reality

[gentle coral]

The compression on quest and quest 2 is quite noticeable on high fidelity VR experiences and games. Many of which are not native to quest, even some of their exclusive games like Robo Recall look better on WMR or index PCVR then they ever will on the Quest 2.

Also the thing I hate is that a five dollar part difference would have allowed the Quest or Quest 2 to use displayport over type c and you could get the full PCVR experience. If they did that, then there would be no reason to recommend anything else until you get to index or higher level headsets.

[thick nest]

they can enable the mode for oculus link with usb 3.0

they wouldn't make the battery life less than an hour

It has to be through link

or else battery's fully dying will be a common issue

psvr advertised itself as a 120hz vr headset while it cant even run 120 most of the time

on ps4

[gentle coral]

Running Quest 2 at 120hz over link will probably require a 3090 as you are talking about more pixels per second then a HP reverb G2.

G2 native= 2160x2160x2x90= 839,808,000 pixels per second

Quest at 120hz = 3664x1920x120=844,185,600 pixels per second

and you then have the encoding and decoding on top of that.

The only way that is even remotely possible is to run the Quest 2 at a lower resolution and increase the compression speed which will lower the fidelity quite a bit further.

The PSVR had different modes to run stuff at either 90 or 120 hz. It was selectable by the developer usually. It would probably be similar for the Quest 2.

Also many of the articles said that they didn't do 120hz due to battery life. But now they have a battery headstrap.

One thing that might happen for Quest 2 is for Facebook to switch to a different encoder and hardwear decoder (the XR2 in the Quest 2 has way more options then the 835 in the Quest 1).

Though that would also require a better computer as well.

Theoretically someone could make a intermediary encoding asic mini computer for quest link. This could improve the fidelity a decent amount by separating the encoding from the rendering computer, allowing both to be done at full value.

It still wouldn't be the same as native PCVR, but it would probably be better then what can be done by a single computer.

[gentle coral]

@haughty thistle that article is very good, I was wondering when it would happen, I definitely might get involved since I know many people who have had this happen to them.

Also what happened to Yur is why I tell so many people not to get venture capital, and why I don't usually help venture backed startups. They literally only care about money, they will happily kill companies ourselves them if it means they make more money. It is their job after all.

The issue with selling at below cost is a bit harder, as every headset maker has this option, and game developers actually like it because it increases user base, as more people can afford the headset. The problem is that Facebook is the only one who is doing it right now.

At GDC 2019 me and a large number of VR devs, and educators had a roundtable with people from many of the big VR hardwear makers (Oculus, Valve, HTC, Microsoft, Sony, etc). And we told them to all sell at below cost to help increase the accessibility of VR to average consumers, and that it would also increase the developers interested in developing on the platforms.

We did warn them that if there isn't competition at anumber of different price points ($100-$300, $300-$500, $500-$700, $700-$1000) there would become a monopoly at each price point and that would end up hurting the industry due to segmentation. As it was easy to see that the level of experience would probably be different for headsets in each price bracket. Thus devs would probably focus on one end or the other if the market isn't diverse enough that making games have different quality levels is worthwhile.

We are in that situation right now partly due to facebook, and partly due to the fear and laziness of the other big electronics manufacturers. And due to venture capitalists activly lovering the chances of many startup from succeeding (being bought out by the main player in an industry is better for the venture capitalist than the company succeeding and then competing with that big player in most situations). This loops into the issue of companies like Facebook, Apple, Google, Amazon, etc, buying up companies to lock down IP.

Not everything in this situation is fasebooks fault alone, but they are active in making it much worse.

A lot of these issues mirror the video game console market, and phone software market issues.

The only reason I spoke up about selling at a loss at that roundtable is I expected Microsoft, and Sony to also play the game since they have the most experience selling high end electronic entertainment products at a loss and recouping it in software sales.

We also mentiond that if they lower software sales cut to 15% and don't restrict users to first party stores and headsets, they would get way more users and devs.

Consumer VR is both in a great and terrible position right now.

[gloomy crater]

wow I'm major dumb. It took me this long to start poking around in my SteamVR settings. I know that the resolution scales to the max performance of your GPU, which is why my graphics currently look like crap bc of my RX570, but I now know that when I get my lenses and my 6800XT, I can manually increase the render resolution

[umbral garden]

They had a battery strap

[thick nest]

or a 3080

you can get the frame rate if you have it set to a lower resolution

like 1440

like the original quest

that would helo

help

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but then it's trying to compete with the Index, in which case the Index wins in basically every way as the Image on there is uncompressed, the audio and included strap are leap years ahead and the Lighthouse tracking system is both more accurate and offers a better overall tracking volume (literally anywhere in your room at any time). The only 3 points in which the Quest 2 would "win" would be that it's roomscale setup is quicker, that it can run games on it's own and that it's cheaper...

The Q2 will never be the "Index Killer" as some users or reviews have portrayed...

[thick nest]

well thats if you remove everysingle frustration you have to deal with getting an index

breaking cables

controller drift

light houses failing

and delivery time

8 weeks!!

well personally i would do all of that

bc its kinda amazing