virtual-reality

[coarse forge]

but i was in vr for like 2 months and i never left the steam looking for any other programs for vr

[haughty thistle]

Revive, as the name suggests, was originally developed for the OG Vive to play Oculus exclusive, back when the Touch controllers didn't exists. But now you want a headset with a few more inputs then just a touchpad to use Revive

[coarse forge]

hmm that sounds pretty nice but i dont really have that option anymore cause ive been stuck with as far as i know a dead headset

[haughty thistle]

Big oof

[coarse forge]

you know what ima uninstal and reinstall the oculus program and if that works ima cry

[carmine wharf]

oh boy

fuck oculus software

[coarse forge]

yeah but its what we oculus users have to go through

[carmine wharf]

yep i deal with it almost daily

[coarse forge]

finnally i can fuck people up on TTT pavlov!!!!!

[vagrant breach]

Hoping to finally get into VR, anyone got any recommendations on what headset to get? Should I get something like the Quest 2 or save up a bit more and get something like the Index?

[coarse forge]

dont get the rift cv1

alot of them have been heavily used and they dont make cables for them any more and a used one can go for 80 usd

i saw a brand new one on ebay for 300 usd

[plush wolf]

my rift s has been fine but

i had a weird glitch where the headset controllers wouldnt go on

it was fixed by replugging all the cables

I also noticed that in order for steamVR to display bounderies you have to start the oculus program THEN steamvr THEN the game

[gentle coral]

Yep every headset uses proprietary cables with custom wiring other then the OG vive.

I might try making an adapter so that you can use a USB cable, hdmi cable, and or displayport cable when the headset cable eventually breaks.

[pastel echo]

I'm a pretty big fan of my Oculus rift but to be fair I bought it brand new 2 years ago : P

[gentle coral]

I just need to find the pinout of each headset connection, and find out who can get me the connectors for inside the headset (most of them use a licensed connection port, where it is illegal to openly sell stuff using that connector without a licence).

I know the connector that the valve index uses is from mellanox and requires a licence.

[night gale]

save up for either an HP Reverb G2 or Valve Index

unless you want to deal with facebook's BS

[rapid mural]

Hey guys

so there is this guy selling oculus games over a 100 for $75 he says they are on a google drive and I can install them on my quest is that legit?

this is the link to the page

should I trust him

[carmine wharf]

sus

[frozen plank]

I wouldn’t do it he probably just pirated them if it’s not a scam.

[carmine wharf]

^

[rapid mural]

ooh

[carmine wharf]

if you got it the account would probably be banned

[rapid mural]

I see

I asked him how he did it and he said it would ruin the point of buying them

[frozen plank]

As expensive as the games are on oculus, I’d just recommend buying them officially.

Yeah no

Don’t do it

[rapid mural]

okey guys thanks for the help

appreciate it

[frozen plank]

Good luck!

[tough wraith]

Going to be getting the Quest 2 for me and my sister

I owned a Rift S before, but sold it before the facebook account debacle

Going to be using my mother's account

just cannot compete with that price

[frozen plank]

I wouldn’t recommend pirating but if you’re going to do it anyway just save the money and find them online. Don’t give that guy money. It’s practically a scam.

[acoustic gate]

Anyone know a decent cheaper (450usd max?) pcvr headset? I can't think of any that isn't the oculus rift (s) and idk anything about the oculus quest 2

I wanted to get the hp reverb g2 but I can't get money for that

[gentle coral]

If you are fine with used, then a vive, or WMR headset would be your options.

[acoustic gate]

But what about the oculus quest 2, should I avoid that entirely for pcvr? Since it's 350 in my country

[lone plover]

is it a good idea to get the oculus rift s for 300€?

or do i buy a quest 2

i only play pcvr

[flat willow]

That depends on how you feel about Facebook

[gentle coral]

Rift s is much better for PCVR

[flat willow]

It's not though

[lone plover]

i have an account but i dont use it

i dont like having my data harvested tho

[flat willow]

That's what you'll be signing up for with the quest 2. It's part of the reason it's so affordable

[gentle coral]

RIFT S is native PCVR and does not have the overhead issues that the Quest 2 has.

[lone plover]

uhm

so

[flat willow]

Quest 2 doesn't have overhead issues if you have a decent PC

[gentle coral]

Also both headsets require facebook

[lone plover]

does facebook get data from rift

oh

[acoustic gate]

What I am rather scared for is that the rift s will fail for me without any warranty

[lone plover]

i dont like the concept of a 2in1 headset

i will never use it on the go

i cant afford anything else and i despise the HTC vive controllers

[gentle coral]

@flat willow to be comparable to a rift S you would need a 2060 or so. As the overhead when playing steamvr games is very high. And if you have good eyes the compression is noticeable. (Though the 90hz and better resolution is nice).

@lone plover If you don't like the vive controllers, just get a used vive and the index controllers

[lone plover]

vives are expensive in finland

uhh so

[gentle coral]

Then WMR might be the only other option

[lone plover]

i have a 2070s and a ryzen 7 3700X, is that good enough for most vr games

[gentle coral]

Oh definitely

[lone plover]

nice

ill try looking for a second hand vive

and buy index controllers

though my playspace is only really good for inside out tracking

so

i dont know

thats why i wouldve thought the rift s is the best option for me

are they reliable?

comfortable?

[gentle coral]

I would check back in here later as there are some other very active channel members who can also give you good info.

Your computer is probably just powerful enough that the Quest 2 would be slightly better that the rift s, now that full 90hz and full resolution support is added.

[lone plover]

im not sure about the quest 2 seeing as i cant get a second hand one thats as cheap as the rift s

because thats 449€ with the link cable

[gentle coral]

Its been a long time since I tried on a rift s, and I still haven't tried on a Quest 2 since covid.

[lone plover]

when i can get a full rift s set for 350€

my buddy tried both and told me he couldnt really tell a difference

woah

[gentle coral]

I think you are looking at the 256 GB quest 2, check the 64GB model

[lone plover]

they dont sell that here

i found a vive used for 280€

not bad

i'd have to rearrange my living room to support the tracky things

and buy index controllers

but

its usable

[gentle coral]

Really? That is weird i would expect the 64GB Quest 2 to be more likely to be sold.

[lone plover]

i looked for it

couldn't find it

hey

found one

it costs 350€

too much

id rather get the vive and index controllers

[gentle coral]

It would also give you an upgrade path to the index in the future.

[lone plover]

indeed

and facebook wouldnt harvest my information

next thing you know theyll be shoving tailored suits down oculus users' throats

[gentle coral]

Yep

[acoustic gate]

so is a rift s still worth it you would say?

[lone plover]

i found a good deal on a vive

otherwise, atleast in finland yes

[haughty thistle]

If you can get your hands on a CV1, don't mind the scarcity of replacement parts and also don't mind the lower resolution, it probably is a better option, if you have the space to put up the cameras

[lofty minnow]

no

please

please dont get a cv1

[gentle coral]

Cv1 would still be a great headset if the parts were easy to get. Very comfortable, great controllers, great tracking with 3 sensors. If facebook actually cared about PCVR, they would still be producing the CV1, or would have released the CV2.

[sly falcon]

how will an index run on 80hz on a gtx 1650 6g

[gray reef]

It most likely won’t, and also as far as I’m aware, all 1650 variants are 4GB cards, not 6

[sly falcon]

ye I think mines 4g idk tho gotta check the box

[sly falcon]

it probs will not work but im gonna upgrade my gpu anyway

[sly falcon]

nah pcs are for hardcore enthusiasts everyone knows that

[gentle coral]

Forgot to post this earlier but it looks like Sega VR finally got emulated.

https://gamehistory.org/segavr/

[carmine wharf]

Virtual boy was ahead of its time

[gloomy crater]

I run an index on an RX550 and it doesn't run too bad as long as you don't mind occasional lag spikes and playing at lower resolution

Can't really run at higher than 90hz and sometimes you get stuttering in menus, though, but it's far from unplayable like how it was when I tried to use this card to run SteamVR through oculus link.

[zinc timber]

Why are people buying $1000 headsets for their $150 gpus

[gentle coral]

Funny thing is virtual boy wasn't actually ahead, considering the Sega headset came out first. And there were actually a few dozen VR headsets in the 90s.

But in terms of success, virtual boy destroyed the competition.

[gloomy crater]

I didn't. I paid $650 for the index kit. I paid $70 for the GPU. I intended to have bought the Index to be used with a 6800XT, but we all know how that turned out

I ended up having to spend the money I had saved up for the 6800XT on an unexpected occurrence. and with me unable to be formally employed, I'll probably still be using my RX550 for at least another few months, maybe even until black friday 2021 depending on where I can get a job, or who'll take me.

[zinc timber]

ah
good luck

[pastel echo]

I'm so freaking happy my dudes

I was about to drop bands on a new PC because Blade and Sorcery is my favorite game and it's been getting harder and harder to run

but recently the long awaited (honestly I thought it would never come) performance update came and it works now

I have literally zero reason to stop using my 980 now this is truly a wonderful occasion

[gentle fjord]

Meanwhile

Upgrades internet to gigabit, gets wifi 6 router with 5GHz

Immediately connects PC to Ethernet and my Quest 2 to 5GHz wifi

Tries VD

“Streaming performance will be degraded”

Oh well

[digital scaffold]

I'm stuck waiting until Unifi Wifi 6 is in stock.

[gentle fjord]

At least I downloaded HL2 in under a minute

[digital scaffold]

I should probably get a UDM pro first, though.

Gigabit on a USG isn't fun.

[gentle fjord]

???

[digital scaffold]

It only "supports" up to like 300mbps

Without IPS.

It's actually okay with a fan strapped onto it.

[gentle fjord]

I mean

I got speeds of up to like

On Ethernet

[digital scaffold]

Yeah, I get closer to like 500-700 over ethernet with the USG.

[gentle fjord]

And then this is on my iPhone via 5GHz band

[digital scaffold]

But with a gigabit-compatible router I got closer to like 950.

[gentle fjord]

[digital scaffold]

Wow

[gentle fjord]

Ah

This is on a fucking router Centurylink provided free of charge

Hopefully that means it’s good

[digital scaffold]

my phone gets 8

mbps

[gentle fjord]

[digital scaffold]

laptop gets like 200

Might put PF Sense on my server for now.

[sullen linden]

[vagrant breach]

So I was thinking of getting the Oculus Quest 2 and use it with my PC, however I noticed that the link cable uses type C which I don't have on my PC, so would it still work if I use a type C to type A adapter?

[haughty thistle]

Quest Link only uses a USB 3 connection, so yeah. It works flawlessly with a C to A adapter. Only thing to keep in mind: USB Type-C connectors generally have a higher power delivery, so your Quest Battery might still drain when using an adapter to Type-A

[vagrant breach]

Ok will most likely go for the Quest 2 with the link cable via a type A adapter, thanks

[fathom sigil]

you can buy a non-link cable too, cheaper but depending on the cable

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, also some cable don't work, others do work, but break early, etc. The best Link cable is the official one. It's lighter weight, more flexible, etc

[vagrant breach]

Will most likely stick to the official one then

[supple crater]

I'm deciding to go big or go home by buying a valve index after I finish my pc build but I need some help figuring out minimum specs cause I've had a continuous streak of "technically it could work on these specs"

I can send my pcpartpicker list if you'd like

also ping when this gets an answer please

[carmine wharf]

CenturyLink = not good

[gentle fjord]

@carmine wharf well it’s better than Comcast

We haven’t experienced any drops in connection since we switched 3 years ago

[carmine wharf]

Lmao we pay $70 a month to these clowns for 15mbps and not only is it out daily they didnt even bother giving us a router with enough range to cover our house

[sly falcon]

Made my wands a lil charging station

[vagrant breach]

Finally ordered my Quest 2! It's gonna be my first VR headset, so anyone got any game recommendations for it?

[pastel echo]

Echo VR is pretty cool if you don't mind the try hards

[covert tree]

i bought an odt back in june and im expecting it next month

[carmine wharf]

Superhot vr, job simulator, beat saber

[balmy adder]

i hate scalpers

they try to make it look like a good price by bundling stuff that cost them little to make but in reality you're paying $100 extra for it

[covert tree]

a cable and 4 microfiber/glasses cloth is like $15

what a bunch of scum

[sullen linden]

Even with this new star wars game im tempted to get rid of my quest 1

[frail grove]

New star wars game

I played vader Immortal on my rift s but there is a new one

[coarse forge]

yo i dropped my oculus cv1 and the right eye stopped working the day after i get the (used) 110$ cable and im starting to think that self induced eternal sleep aint half bad what should i do

[coarse forge]

ive probably spent close to 500$ on the damn thing and i used to make around 50 bucks a week and now i dont make anything

why the hell cant a 500$ investment not survive a 2-3 foot drop

[carmine wharf]

Because its designed to be light not durable and they assume you won't be careless with your $500 investment??

It sucks that it broke but don't blame it on the manufacturer

[coarse forge]

nah i should blame the manufacturer the fact that i have to buy used cables for a perfectly fine device that almost 500 dollar investment would be only under 400$ i took the L cause of facebook hates us

[sly falcon]

ive never dropped a headset, but googolplexion is right, they dont design them to be durable, they dont expect them to be dropped

[carmine wharf]

Bro I dont see why you need a cable after dropping it lol

[sly falcon]

I mean if it was ceiling mounted it might

but even thats unlikely

[carmine wharf]

Is the cable even replaceable on the cv1

[coarse forge]

no i mean if i they didnt stop making a damn cable cause they need to shit out newer shittier products i wouldnt be hurting as much

yeah but they dont make them anymore so the resellers control the market

[carmine wharf]

This is true, they shouldn't have ended support for the cv1

[sly falcon]

they should have made a higher res version of the cv1, that would be great

[coarse forge]

i saw a brand new inbox cable for 300 usd

[carmine wharf]

Still no clue why headset cables are so expensive

A third party index cable is like $200

Its not like its fiber

[coarse forge]

high speed goofy hdmi cords i guess i mean there not that complex are they?

[carmine wharf]

Its pretty much just copper, sleeving, and connectors

[sly falcon]

I mean they need to be higher quality but still not an excuse for them to be that expensive

[carmine wharf]

I still don't know what makes a cable high quality

[sly falcon]

the sleeving is harder to break

I think thats it

[carmine wharf]

All they can really do is make it thicker

[manic cypress]

If it's known to be a good quality cable, when it's durable and has a good insulation as well as a nice input or output

[sly falcon]

for example, if you get a really low quality eithernet cable, and you flex it like a youtuber flexes their supreme, it will crack

[coarse forge]

its slightly thicker than your average cord and then theres the pet protection version and thats basically cheap plastic tubing

[sly falcon]

but with something like a vr headset cable, it will not

[manic cypress]

Yeah

[pastel echo]

Anyone got any reccomendations for a VR capable laptop under $1500 if possible wanna get an oculus quest 2, would like to use link if possible

Can't do a PC because I might be living in a trailer for the next year

[thick nest]

how the hell did i just find a usb 1 usb c cable

[gentle coral]

Many of the official cables headsets use are fiber. Also due to having to bundle USB, power, and display all in a single cord that is much longer then the official spec usually allows for any of those connections, costs add up fast. The actual cost of the cable manufacturering, R&D, and testing would be probably close to 20 million. These cables also often use licenced proprietary connectors on the headset end to stop third parties from making the cables. Those connectors alone could easily add 5 dollars to the cost.

VR headset cables are annoying complex sometimes. Its one thing I like about the OG vive and its standard connectors. But it did add quite a lot of weight to the headset.

Also its not that headsets aren't built robustly, they are actually pretty sturdy overall (they are designed for head on impacts quite well), it's more that a few parts in it are very sensitive and can break or be disconnected when hit in the wrong way.

Also they are usually designed to break in a specific was so as to minimize the chance of it injuring the user.

Though that doesn't mean that these companies don't skimp out in the end on materials and everything that can save them money, or make them more in the long term.

Though if you really wanted both a super sturdy and light weight VR headset you would need to use carbon fiber, magnesium, and other really expensive materials for the headset. Also the way the layers of parts would be put together would be much more rigid.

[gray reef]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-m15-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-max-q-1tb-ssd-prism-gray/6403815.p?acampID=0&cmp=RMX&irclickid=XvAScgTD%3AxyOWkA0MdV3iVCmUkEw2qxorUPhzI0&irgwc=1&loc=PCPartPicker&mpid=79301&ref=198&refdomain=pcpartpicker.com&skuId=6403815

I don’t have one, but the reviews I’ve seen on it are all great, and it’s from a really nice line of products, plus it’s a pretty good deal (for a laptop)

[pastel echo]

That's definitely a main contender

I really like the look of it

What do you think of this laptop? https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/gaming-laptops/alienware-m15-r3-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m15-r3-laptop/wnm15r320s?ref=p13n_system_pdp_eol&c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&configurationid=ed1c16eb-a86a-4473-a0b5-b897eabaeb5c#features_section

[gray reef]

That ones pretty good too, but I think the 2070 in the Zephyrus machine probably makes it a better pick, although if you need the extra CPU horsepower, the Alienware laptop is also really great

[meager nest]

what

the

f

[young marten]

I never trust random screen shots you can always edit that stuff

[haughty thistle]

It's probably about certain metals inside like the electronics

[young marten]

There's hazardous materials in a lot of things

don't chew on your cables

[haughty thistle]

Nothing you should be worried about. The EU has very strict laws about this (like with products not even coming to market, unless deemed safe), and the Index is sold here as well

Because Facebook knows everything

Ever used WhatsApp, or know someone using WhatsApp? Then there's your answer

That#s how Facebook makes their money, by collecting and selling data about their users

[young marten]

@frank zephyr idk where you found that

nvrm

[haughty thistle]

And best thing: if they can capture your behavior in VR, they can reliably identify you anywhere, at any time, as long as get movement data of your hands and head. They can also collect much more accurate information about how your react to certain ads...

VR is amazing, but the data that can be collected in the wrong hands, can mean death to privacy...

Ever heard of Sarcasm?

[young marten]

oh just wait it'll die more given enough time

[harsh niche]

bro have you never seen that label before

like 50% of things I buy have that

it means there's a microscopic chance you will get cancer or cause reproductive harm or whatever

[hushed void]

How, and why?

[zinc timber]

I can guarantee that if you buy an index you'll die

you'll also die if you don't buy an index, though

[haughty thistle]

To Quote Sega:

It's so realistic, people will hurt themselves using this VR device

||No joke, that was their official reason to abandon the Sega VR headset for the Genisis||

Nahhh

The Index is so realistic... Buddy, you better be careful not to smash your hands into a wall

Not really

The Index is built like a Tank

It's the analog stick that has a flawed design, and the cable routing for the main tether that also has a major flaw in it

Other then that, the Index is pretty difficult to break honestly

Eh. I was talking about the point where the cable exits the headset itself and is then attached to the headstrap

The cable has so little room to move, that if you pull the headstrap up, you kink the cable, which is not good for an optical cable like the Index is using...

[zinc timber]

https://babeltechreviews.com/vr-wars-the-rx-6800-xt-vs-the-rtx-3080-15-vr-games-performance-benchmarked/

As expected, the 3080 is usually a bit better in VR

[regal breach]

I need to build some kind of cable bungee for mine.

I'm thinking something like a microphone stand with the cable hanging from roof height, allowing it to droop all the way down nearly to the floor then back up again.

[gray reef]

I’m pretty sure it’s the invisible light beams that the Bay Stations emit (maybe UV?), but I could be wrong

[sullen linden]

pretty sure they use IR light which would'nt hurt i think

even if it was actually emmitting anything it'd have to pass FDA and all that so its gonna be less than a phone

given the fact you probably carry a phone in ur pocket everyday thats alot more likely to kill you than a couple base stations in the corners of your room

[carmine wharf]

Why would It have to pass through the food and drug administration

Its not a food or a drug

[sly falcon]

yeah its called the FDA for a reason lmao

[carmine wharf]

They would maybe have to get tested by the fcc since they are Bluetooth, but I dont believe there's a government organization that deals with devices that emit light

[sullen linden]

Has anybody tried VR on Linux?

I heard the Valve Index worked well, but I haven't really seen any coverage of other headsets 🤷

[celest flame]

@vagrant breach 64GB OR 256gb version? looing into buying one myself and idk if I will need the onboard storage

[supple crater]

I'm deciding to go big or go home by buying a valve index after I finish my pc build but I need some help figuring out minimum specs cause I've had a continuous streak of "technically it could work on these specs"

[vagrant breach]

@celest flame 64

[pastel echo]

why 64? I was thinking of picking up the 256 myself for the future proof when games get bigger

[vagrant breach]

Costs less, plus I doubt I'd be buying too many large oculus only games, and just mainly play games from my PC

[pastel echo]

fair

[gentle coral]

California cancer warnings are on anything that has trace minerals that could possibly be harmful or could in a high dose raise the risk of cancer. (This is literally everything). But if it goes above a certain amount it needs that warning on the product packaging to be sold in California. Also it literally says why on the screenshot.

Other things that have chemicals that that warning applies to (all cooked food, coffee, alcohol, all clothes, water, air).

It is a really outdated set of rules and warnings that really needs to be redone.

Many manufacturers just put that warning on their stuff to stay safe from California getting angry and not allowing that item to be sold.

If California could put a sticker on the sun saying cancer risk it would.

The extremely common occurrence of that warning actually has hurt its original goal of being a warning.

[haughty thistle]

A fair warning about Oculu- I mean Facebook VR headsets and their platform: https://twitter.com/CixLiv/status/1320475459830697984?s=19

Cix (@CixLiv)

1/ Important VR PSA #3: 👉 @oculus @FBRealityLabs blocks, breaks, and kills successful VR companies.
The story of @yur_fit:

• Blocked from the @oculus store
• Broke by firmware updates 4x
• Attempted to poach CTO 4x
• Copied by "Oculus Move"
• More stories soon 👇
  #antitrust

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[haughty thistle]

Well, back then, when FB bought both WA and Oculus, it seemed like they genuinely tried to keep them seperate, just under one roof. Yeah, they pushed the old leaders out those companies and replaced them with Pro-FB guys, and now all that still exists are the names

Although WAs E2E Encryption is at least more reliable then what Telegram is doing, with unencrypted caches, and sending each keystroke in the input field to central servers, etc.

It still leaves a sour taste, thinking it's part of FB and nothing more then a name anymore...

There's this old saying: a person can change, a corporation requires legal action or business issues to change...

M$ did actually moved on from their money greedy practices of "Copy, Dominant, Destroy" and now seemingly make products people actually want for totally OK-Prices. Too bad they have telemetry everywhere

But then again, M$ hasn't bought a single company since they moved on...

(not afaik)

That's true...

I hope people will realize how bad the Facebook issues has become for VR, before it's too late.
But I guess any effort will be fruitless, just how it's been with Apple and their App Store...

One glimmer of hope I see is that many VR Enthusiasts and Influencers (like Thrill and Eric) have stated that besides their initial review, and maybe a few follow-up videos, they haven't touched their Q2

And videos, like that glorified Ad ||about the Q2|| from LTT certainly don't help on that regards...

The problem is, PCVR is, and will continue to be expensive. SteamVR is the dominating market on PC, and Valve is really the only manufacturer besides Facebook that can subsidize a PCVR headset through software sales. Valve however has stated that they will continue to focus on the Enthusiast market

I personally don't have a total problem with Facebook ruling over Oculus. I mean, I recently purchased a used CV1. My main problem is that people see the price of the Q2 and the specs and then wonder why all the PCVR offerings are so much more expensive

It makes people less interested in PCVR, and those who still want to will only ever receive a degraded experience, because Quest Link frankly just doesn't hold a candle to a native headset, even to this day

It's a dark pattern of sorts that makes people more likely to waste their money on a closed Eco-System and lock themselves in it in some ways...

I mean... The OG Quest is gonna be locked out of new games sooner then later. There are already games that will be Q2 exclusive, or only offer limited features on the OG Quest. Effectively making that headset useless in some cases...

From what I've heard, making games Oculus exclusive doesn't give you the full bounty anymore. It's just when you make it Q2 exclusive when you still get the full amount of exclusivity compensation

I'm just laying facts on the table. Nothing more, nothing less...

I'm not saying that FB is good for the VR

What I meant with that previous statement was: I honestly couldn't care less what corporation is behind what brand. As long as they don't try to influence the entire market, I'm fine with whatever

I have an Android phone and use Google services extensively, I use WhatsApp and have an Office365 subscription.
I do care about my privacy, but in cases where I can't prevent it, I at least want to know what's happening with that data in a transparent and user controllable way

I haven't touched my OG Quest in months. I'd still use it with Link on Lan-Parties if those would ever happen again. But at home I have litterally 0 use for it. My Index is basically better in every regards

My honest opinion is that FB can dissapear in a dumpster fire, but considering people, that'll never happen :/

I'm a supporter of open markets, I want to actually own the device I bought, Hardware and software wise. That's the reason I've been avoiding iPhones and whatnot. Any sort of closed Eco-System preventing you from doing whatever, is a big no-no for me

Google has been locking down Android recently as well, which I can't really do anything against. I still use APKs, self-signed ones. But the PlayStore Danger Signs really show that they don't want that.
They want control, to make the user what they want. Once they got that down, the user is willing to spend more money every year, for new stuff because your old stuff doesn't work anymore

Google allows 3rs Party stores on Android. But if you install any App, that hasn't been signed by Google, there's a large Play Store warning saying "This App might be dangerous", and you have to tap like 3 different buttons to agree...

And ofc, Apps that don't meet PlayStore requirements will not be signed by Google

That includes Stores afaik

Besides that PlayStore warning, there's also a warning on how APKs can damage your device (in general and with every App install) and you have to manually allow any 3rd Party store to allow installations

Install a custom ROM

Take Windows for example: it's relying on developer certificates, and common sanse

I do agree with you that security is more put forward on Android the. On Windows, but I personally think that "PlayProtect" Message for apps that have no Google certificate goes a little too far imo

Oof

I do agree, people do be stupid

See: people like to not own their device aka iPhones and Quest Headsets

Or, they just destroy it and blame it on the manufacturer

I've seen people willingly turn off the DSP, and safety chip in their JBL speakers to get "more bass". Yeah, too bad your frying the speaker coils that way...

Tbh that is also kinda the fault from JBL, as that mode is more meant for servicing. Making it only available through a certain USB or Bluetooth command would've gone a long way of saving tons of JBL speakers from early death

Hah! The manufacturers actually have to pay a fee to get the PlayStore on their devices lre-installed

[carmine wharf]

Wonder if one of those minidex fan things is worth it

[haughty thistle]

Android is free, the PlayStore is not

[carmine wharf]

I kinda like the led one its cool but nobody watches me while I do vr

[haughty thistle]

Ive thought about that Index fan module as well, but I personally think a fan on either side of the trunk is probably better

[carmine wharf]

Not talking about the fee for apps..

The fee for apps is like $10 isnt it

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, let's turn back to VR in here xD

PlayStore fee for apps is 30% of all sales. Meanwhile for the manufacturers it's a certain % of their phone sales I think

[carmine wharf]

So like how does a minidex fan module even work? It looks to just suck air out of solid plastic which doesn't make sense to me. People say it cools their face on the back of the headset somehow?

[haughty thistle]

It about Index fan mods, there are these faceplate replacements that take in 2 40mm Noctua fans and then blow air right into the mesh plastic on either side of the Frunk. It sounds like a better design to me

[carmine wharf]

Hm

[haughty thistle]

The Frunk has a few slits at the top to let air pass, but I don't think it's going to make a big difference

[young marten]

oh I thought people would put a centrifugal fan in the index frunk because of how it looked

[haughty thistle]

I mean... It does make sense if you already have a charger at home, then why include one in the box. The scummy thing is that they simultaneously switched the non-lightning end to Type-C so you can't continue to use your old charger

[carmine wharf]

really all apple had to do was use a normal lightning to usb A cable in the box

[young marten]

This space

[carmine wharf]

i dont see any slits in there for air

[haughty thistle]

It's at the top of that space. So exactly the side you can't see

[carmine wharf]

oh

[carmine wharf]

ah

[haughty thistle]

And left and right of that space, there are also tiny holes. The open spaces at the side are roughly 40mm in diameter

[carmine wharf]

whats that green up there

[young marten]

[haughty thistle]

Idk

[carmine wharf]

is that a part or does the board have lights on it for some reason

[young marten]

some light I have no clue though

[haughty thistle]

I've never seen that on my Index tbh

[carmine wharf]

hm maybe its so they can test the boards in factory?

[young marten]

there's a red one next to the green light too

[carmine wharf]

yeah id guess its probably used to test boards

[haughty thistle]

It must be a newer addition to the Index then. I don't think mine has any hidden LEDs inside

[carmine wharf]

does valve test everything they ship out or only parts

[haughty thistle]

It's probably like they do it in phone production. They randomly pick units and test them on certain things, and if they pass, the batch can be shipped oit

[young marten]

I turned out a light to see it more

[carmine wharf]

thats weird

you can see like cables and stuff in there

[young marten]

I can't even see that when looking at it now. I had my camera on long exposure mode to see the cable well.

[carmine wharf]

what could those cables be for

oh that could be where the pc connects to the headset

idk im no engineer

[young marten]

could be a few things

i'm gonna get a photo with my dslr

[carmine wharf]

im just confused because usually a bundle of cables like that would be a ribbon cable

wat

it is a ribbon cable?

[young marten]

interesting

I guess this is a blower fan for a little airflow. Idk though

[carmine wharf]

no

i dont know what that is, but it looks to have something to do with either ipd or eye distance adjustment

[young marten]

yeah it looks like that

It seems like it would spin and push those two wedge things apart for the ipd movement

[carmine wharf]

yeah thats what i thought

yeah thats definitley what it is

its got the thing on the bottom connection to the ipd adjustment

just trying to think of why there are springs there

[young marten]

probably to keep the lenses in compression wanting to move in

that spinning thing would only want to separate the lenses

just a guess though

[carmine wharf]

they must be some weak springs

[young marten]

those lights are some where on there

[carmine wharf]

would it be theoretically possible (even if impractical) to mod a display similar to the reverb g2 into the index

[young marten]

idk that mod might take a lot of effort but that's another thing I really have no clue about

[haughty thistle]

It's actually built pretty sturdy. There are a few design flaws that hurt it's longevity tho, like the cable being bent to much at the point where it comes out the headset

[carmine wharf]

i believe it activates zen grenades and squishes cans

the grenades maybe not but the cans yeah

[midnight sonnet]

Hi all, kinda new here in the community. What’s the consensus for a VR newbie with a 2070 Super? Index (generally, better motion tracking, better refresh rate) or Reverb G2 (generally, better image resolution/quality). I don’t think I’d want to buy a complete G2 with Index controllers for a first time purchase. I’m not sure if a 2070 Super would be bale to keep up with the resolution of the G2.

I assume both handle glasses comparably.

[carmine wharf]

well honestly depends on what you prefer really

youd probably be able to drive the g2 with your 2070 super, but id honestly go with the index. imo the extra resolution of the g2 isnt as good as the extra fov, refresh rate, tracking, and hand presence of the index

[midnight sonnet]

Probably not racing. Beat Saber, Pavlov, others I come across like that.
Yea refresh rate and tracking seem like bigger pluses. No news of the Index coming down in price anytime soon, huh?

[carmine wharf]

overall from what ive heard, the index is way more immersive, just lower resolution

[midnight sonnet]

Thanks! The better immersion is probably what I’m going for.

[carmine wharf]

so you would get a full g2 vs a full kit index?

like youd get the index controllers not just the headset right

[young marten]

I went index because of the fov and I didn't jump on the pre order things for the G2 anyway

[carmine wharf]

yeah honestly fov is a really awesome thing in vr

[midnight sonnet]

I’d do research into if the benefits of the Index tracking station things, and how much they’re needed.

The option I’ve heard is that using Index controllers on the G2 helps, but I have no VR gear whatsoever, and you can’t buy a G2 w/o its controllers

[carmine wharf]

as for the glasses situation, you can get prescription lenses for either headset

[carmine wharf]

i dont know how exactly, but for a g2 with index controllers you need 2 base stations and the controllers, and you need the g2 controllers to calibrate them, so it would end up costing almost as much as an index full kit and be a lot more complicated to set up

[midnight sonnet]

I agree. For someone with the existing hardware it makes sense. But for a newcomer, buying all that up front is a hassle.

[carmine wharf]

And the g2 uses windows mixed reality portal, which does use some overhead processing power over just steamvr by itself

[midnight sonnet]

Sounds like Index is still a champ. Thanks!

[carmine wharf]

The g2 does have its advantages for sim games

Like for racing or flying when you want to be able to read dials and switches lol

But for playing games like you listed, index definitely

[young marten]

Yeah that g2 knuckles combo is around $200 over Index Full kit price.

[carmine wharf]

closer to 2.5 months

thats just letting them know you are interested

it doesnt actually order anything until you pay them

cancel it if you dont want it lol

all that will happen is you will get an email in a few weeks if you dont cancel asking you to pay

[sullen linden]

did you order it with like gift cards lol

[gloomy crater]

how hot is the index supposed to get during regular operation? I play without the plastic cover on so that it can get more airflow but sometimes it gets hot enough that I can feel it radiating off the front

[fair meteor]

probably a dumb question, but if i buy the quest 2 version of beat saber. can i play it through link to use the performance of my PC or do i need the steam version for that

[zinc timber]

you would need the PC version

[fair meteor]

hmm alright, but what's with the cross buy thing i keep hearing about?

[carmine wharf]

cross buy is when you buy something on the quest store and get it on the oculus pc store as well

beat saber is not cross buy

[fair meteor]

ohh ok

considering just buying beat saber twice then

not sure though. i might buy it through the quest store first

[carmine wharf]

buy on steam first

theyve got a better refund policy

for if you dont enjoy it

[fair meteor]

oh i've tried it before and i really enjoy it

[carmine wharf]

still

[fair meteor]

hmm alright

also, has anyone used a usb A to type c adapter with link before? made the mistake of ordering a link cable without a USB c port on my pc so i found an adapter and ordered it

i just hope it'll work

[haughty thistle]

As long as the Adapter Supports USB 3.0, you should be fine...

[pastel echo]

Some games will offer the opportunity to buy a game once and have it on oculus PC and Quest

Beat saber decided not to do that

https://twitter.com/beatsaber/status/1202161100692819968?lang=en

Beat Saber ⁷ (@BeatSaber)

@ARoyalLoner We decided not to do cross-buy for the base game because Quest is a new platform and porting the game took a significant amount of time. All players who purchased Beat Saber Music Packs through Oculus Store will have all their packs available as a cross-buy.

Twitter · Dec 4, 2019, 9:41 AM

kind of annoyed about it myself because I have the game on steam but it is what it is

[abstract zodiac]

anyone made the jump from cv1 to index? i'm looking into upgrading this christmas

[supple crater]

im jumping from laptop to desktop and index

[zinc timber]

G2 has arrived

Surprisingly light

[sly falcon]

nice, how is it?

[zinc timber]

Haven't gotten it up yet, gotta clean my room up

The interface is pretty thin, though
My glasses have to squeeze through the foam

Like you can see how the legs of my glasses are contacting the foam

I see what people mean by isolation, though
In my room with lights on, it's pitch black

[olive zinc]

A friend of mine is trying to play Phasmophobia on his new Valve Index VR. However, the game is FPS limited to 75Hz. Any idea why?

His GPU is a RX 5700XT for reference

[gloomy crater]

what's it set at in the SteamVR settings?

[olive zinc]

120 Hz, my bad for not mentioning that.

He's trying another VR game to see if it has the same issue. I don't have any recent experience with AMD cards so I can't help him on that front

[zinc timber]

G2 controllers are definitely the weakest part of the experience

Have only used them for like ten minutes, but compared to the rift S, the tracking volume is noticeably smaller, haptics are a lot weaker and ergonomics are meh

[sly falcon]

why is it that when I record the inside of a vr headset I get a pristine image but whenever I capture a monitor it looks like im using 5 different screen door filters?

[gentle coral]

Got my G2 this morning

Had to clean my vr space, but will be plaything soon

[young marten]

[gentle coral]

I might try streaming to one of the voice channels

Cleaned my space and got a new desk stup going

I will need to put off green markings on my greenscreen at some point as it is to flat for the cameras

On the headset

[zinc timber]

huh
it's like $550 to get two lighthouses and a pair of knuckles

[gentle coral]

Yep, knuckles and lighthouses are expensive.

It will be a long time tell they really can make the lighthouses much cheaper as they have a very complex lidar style scanning beam inside.

I was seeing 95% GPU usage while setting up the headset and 50% CPU. My 1070 maxq will not be happy in many games. Might undercolock it instead of run my normal overclock until I get my new laptop cooler finished.

Also need to cable clip my good mic and headphones to the cable to my headset and finish my extra 5 meter extension.

This is my old home headset

With my custom extension

But as I plan to use my G2 while at events, I need a much longer extension.

[haughty thistle]

The difference in Visual Quality is massive. I've recently got a CV1 for a number of reasons as a second headset next to my Index.
Lens technology has come a long way. Oculus is know for good lenses, but the ones on the Index are clearer and cover a larger FOV. The resolution is also a massive difference, it just feels more lifelike in terms of image sharpness

Also seeing all these people getting their G2s delivered, while Europe is still waiting for it's first batch makes me both excited and dissapointed...

[zinc timber]

I mean, given the number of issues the first batch is having it's probably for the best

[haughty thistle]

It could just mean that the first batch issues get delayed. Official statement is that the first Europe batch just wasn't shipped, but I've also heard reports that it was sent in the wrong region and now Europe has to wait for the second batch...

[thick nest]

i love how the quest 2's link system can be extended very easily
like i had a usb extender and boom 3 more meters

and unlike the psvr if the cable breaks you can replace it not just throw away your intire vr headset

im pretty sure you can change the cable with the G2 too

[zinc timber]

weird issue with g2, though
a lot of people are getting error 7-14
I am too... on the rear usb-c port
My front usb-c port works flawlessly

[haughty thistle]

You can replace the cable on pretty much all headsets. The problem is getting one that works. As pretty much all PCVR headsets use proprietary connectors for one reason or another

[sullen linden]

I just got my shipping notification :DDD

[haughty thistle]

The Vive uses standard connectors on the headset end, but this added weight and complexity to the headset

[zinc timber]

don't really want to spend $550 on base stations and knuckles
but the haptics on the g2 controllers are so incredibly shit
I can't tell if my unit is fault or not

it's really hard to tell if I hit something in beat saber

[haughty thistle]

I was genuinely surprised how strong the haptics on the CV1 Controllers are. The haptics on the Index are of a more natural type, as they're not just on or off, but the CV1, man that's some strong vibrations...

So you're not giving me all that much hope about the G2 controllers 😬

[zinc timber]

the only other headset I've owned is the rift S

when I hit a block in beat saber, it was pretty obvious

with the G2, it's iffy if I hit it or not, and even when I definitely did hit it, the haptics are barely noticeable

like, the tracking is fine

but the haptics are just bad and ergos are eh

headset itself is wonderful, though

[thick nest]

psvr haptics were crappy too bascially full vibrations all the time lmao

[gentle coral]

Hopefully I can fix my windows update issues and get in vr soon

Been 4 months of an annoying error.

[zinc timber]

ooh, forgot elite dangerous was free on epic

[gentle coral]

Controller ergonomics i would give a C+, buttons B, main trigger C-, side trigger D-, stick D, battery access C.

I am most disappointed by the side trigger as it is in a bad location for people with medium to large hands as it starts to far forward, and is to soft. I expect I am going to be accidentally pressing it a lot. It is the only part I found fundamentally worse in every aspect compared to the original WMR controllers. Though the main trigger is also very soft.

I will probably 3d print some controller mods to help fix the issues in ergonomics. At least until I get some index controllers and base stations.

[zinc timber]

as someone with asian hands, the controller is a bit large

can't really comfortably get the side trigger and the thumbstick at the same time

hmm
yeah, looking at the controller rn the side trigger position and size is a bit crap

I think a large part of the issue is how the trigger actuates

the point closes to your finger, and where my finger presses down is where the hinge is, so it's pretty hard for me to push it down all the way

so rather than a natural gripping motion, I have to sort of extend my middle finger towards my wrist

[gentle coral]

I have stupid large hands for my size (I can palm a basketball if It is even slightly grippy). Both the main trigger and the side trigger are on my second joint of my finger.

If I want to hold it properly there are massive gaps all over the place, and my grip on the controller becomes very weak.

[zinc timber]

tracking hasn't been an issue
but the controller is bad in other ways

[gentle coral]

Also the stick is way to small

[zinc timber]

idk, maybe the controller is sized for normal Caucasian hands or something

[gentle coral]

Its smaller then the old WMR controller. It is about half the size of a normal Xbox stick. And the texture is terrible for edge control. This means people need to have their thumb over the whole stick to use it, instead of just needing about 30% like most console controllers. I will definitely 3d print a cover for the stick.

Bigger sticks on controllers are better for all hand sizes due to the ability to reach them easier, and use them with only a portion of their finger.

Also the tracking ring is completely identical to the old standard WMR controllers (same light placement, thickness, curvature, etc).

[zinc timber]

on the positive side, the resolution is good enough that I can sort of use the headset at a large monitor

latency is noticeable, though

[gentle coral]

I might see if I can get some extra controllers to hack and make my own controllers. I can definitely tell Microsoft probably didn't have input on the controllers due to all the issues that any of their controller hardware people would pick up instantly.

Having a recent Xbox controller, and both sets of WMR controllers here, I can tell that the Xbox controller designers worked on the old standard controller based on how the triggers and buttons feel.

@zinc timber

Yep resolution is great i only had 1 minute in it before I went back to fixing windows, but oh man I am going to love watching movies in VR.

[zinc timber]

lmao

I didn't take the lense protectors off

this looks better

[gentle coral]

I actually decided I will do a 10 meter extention for my cables, this will be fun to build.

I do all my setup with the lens protectors on and I remember I forgot to take them off a few headsets the first time I used them.

[haughty thistle]

Imagine using CV1 Controllers with WMR. That'd be great

[gentle coral]

Wish I had quick access to an index to compare the faceplates and audio.

Though as long as I can attach this and some eye trackers to my headset I will be happy.

[haughty thistle]

Gotta wait at least 2 more weeks (if not more) for my G2 to ship

I'd be curious to see if I can use my Index faceplates on my G2

[gentle coral]

CV1 controllers would be great.

[haughty thistle]

I was honestly quite hyped about receiving a CV1 to play around with. The old Touch feel really dense. Not in a bad way, just overall hold in the hand, because of the weight being more concentrated, they somehow feel heavier then the actually heavier Index Controllers

But first time holding in the hands, all your fingers just naturally rest on all the controls, while on the Index it's a bit more of a mixed bag in that regards...

[gentle coral]

I miss using a CV1, all of the ones I usually use are being borrowed by friends.

Should have taken one home before covid, or our vive.

Or the threadripper computer

(Soon hindsight will be 2020)

[haughty thistle]

Lens technology has come a long way since the CV1 release. The CV1 image looks slightly blurry. And that is with having the IPD adjusted properly. Could be that just the unit I have has the displays not properly aligned or something, but it looks good besides the God rays and slight blurryness

Could also just be that I'm spoiled by my Index running at 150% renderscale xD

The reason I mentioned a possibile alignment issue, is because the IPD slider feels crunchy AF, and doesn't wanna move easily

[gentle coral]

The chromatic aberration in the CV1 and some other early headsets can sometimes look like blurriness.

Also it is a big pain with all the high fov VR headsets I have tested. Anything over 150 fov with a single or two panels can look quite bad if the lenses are not perfect. I think lenses might finally be where they need to be for 4 panel headsets (I've tried 2, both with over 200° fov).

Oh crunchy ipd in CV1 is definitely not normal.

[haughty thistle]

Yeah I figured so. Forgot to test that while I was checking out the unit before buying

[gentle coral]

This is the 4 panel headset I tried.

https://www.roadtovr.com/panasonics-220-degree-vr-headset-uses-4-screens-crazy-fused-lenses

[haughty thistle]

I mostly intended on this unit to be more of my backup, so I hope the other one coming in today doesn't have that problem...

[haughty thistle]

Looks very interesting. I think LG had shown off a prototype SteamVR headset which was like a fusion of the CV1 and Vive Pro if I remember correctly, but with a unique style of halo strap that tilted in the center rather then at the front. Too bad that was all we've ever seen of that unit...

[gentle coral]

I am sad Panasonic never has shipped any of their headsets, or partnered to make them,, as they make some good designs.

The headstrap on the Panasonic headset was also really cool, you put it on like sunglasses, pressed a button and two tabs on the back closed.

You can see one side of the clamp in this pic

I have yet to try their 2020 headset.

This one

Definitely one of the coolest looking ones.

[haughty thistle]

Looks a lot more glasses friendly then what Oculus has offered for their PCVR units (the Rift S is just dragged along your face, unless you adjust the headstrap or move the headset in the rail)

[haughty thistle]

I do agree. Besides it just being a 3DOF headset, it looks really cool. But I fear that it's gonna stay a concept like the other LG headset I mentioned earlier...

[gentle coral]

Every person who wears it looks really cool

[haughty thistle]

It looks like a pair of wierdly shaped sunglasses ngl

Either that or safety goggles

[gentle coral]

But yep will probably never be released

Definitely welding goggles

Would look great with a face mask.

[haughty thistle]

xD

There's some really cool stuff coming to VR. Too bad most of it will be out of reach for consumers 😞

[gentle coral]

Yep, or will take forever to get low enough cost.

Though I do know a lot of devs like me who will be pushing better features in future headsets. (Better haptics, biosensing, full body tracking, good passthrough, eye tracking, BCI). But all the devices we use for those are still very expensive (often for no reason).

I think one problem is there are very few third party hardware add on developers for the consumer market.

[haughty thistle]

Well there are 2 reasons:
Patents and Greedy-ness

It's difficult to make accessories, if there is barely any market, and every headset requires different tooling

[gentle coral]

Yep

There is no standard, and all of tracking systems use their own stuff. The only one I have seen widely adopted is the streamvr trackers (puck, and a few arcade / gym devices). And the cost of developing for those is actually very low compared to trying to get a oculus or WMR tracking ring onto a third party device.

[haughty thistle]

I think another benefit for the Light house tracking is that each device is only concerned about its own position relative to the lighthouses, whereas on other tracking system, there's one central component tracking multiple things at once, and thus it's quite difficult adding more devices

I've seen Oculus show this off with the Quest tho, where if you have more then one Quest headset in somewhat close proximity, they'll automatically adjust something with the Controllers, so each headset only sees its own controllers

[gentle coral]

If I get my hands on a few of the steamvr tracking dev kits I will probably make a few fun controllers and accessories.

Yep the benefits of steamvr are really good. And the actual tracking chips on the controllers and headset are really cheap.

At volume each piece is under a dollar.

https://triadsemi.com/steamvr-tracking/

[zinc timber]

basestations drive the cost up hard, though, don't they?

[thick nest]

i'd like to see tracking get a standard

or a sdk standard

for game devs

personally oculus's sdk was the best i've tried

[gentle coral]

It literally costs about 300 dollars to prototype a steamvr controller.

Yep the base stations are a different story.

And they had to do this.

I dont have an exact quote, but I have read some of the early documents about the tracking design, and they decided that lowering the cost of developing controllers and accessories was the most important part, and that the lighthouses would be the part that would be a mainstay, so that developers and consumers spend the most on the part that will last multiple upgrade cycles. Also using better parts means better tracking.

[thick nest]

like obviously steam is trying to do that with oculus support but it will take a while for everything to stay on a single platform/store

[gentle coral]

I like using VRTK in UNITY for developing cross-platform stuff. But I akso use the WMR, oculus, Google, and steamvr packages somewhat often.

But OpenXR should help a lot with creating a dev environment standard.

[thick nest]

yeah it helped

[gentle coral]

Oh and Dolby and THX

[thick nest]

i'd look into VRTK never tried it

[gentle coral]

Spacial audio is so important

[thick nest]

yeah it breaks imersion if you get it wrong

[gentle coral]

VRTK is really simple but I haven't tried it since covid started. I need to see what version it is on.

[thick nest]

though i'd imagine tutorials wouldnt be much

[gentle coral]

There were a few big problems a few years ago when steamvr went into 2.0 and the steamvr tracking 2.0 also came out. It happened right when VRTK went from 3.0 to 4.0, and it broke a lot of stuff for about 3 months.

The documentation used to be great (better then steamvr, or oculus). But since then everyone has started to get their ducks in a row.

[thick nest]

nice

i noticed when i started making vr projects that it wayyy more fun than making regular games 2d or 3d

it adds a new layer of immersive-ness you wouldnt get there

[gentle coral]

I actually meant steamvr tracking 2.0 and the 2.0 lighthouses. Steamvr is still in version 1.x

[thick nest]

and new ways to play around with engines

oh ok

[gentle coral]

Right now steamvr beta is 1.15.12

[thick nest]

i gtg now

cya later tho

[haughty thistle]

I hope that the jump to SteamVR 2.X will come with a more Oculus Rift-like dashboard

It's so much better to use

[gentle coral]

But yep developing for vr is a lot of fun. I barely work on non VR games anymore

I think more vr game designers need to be trained in UI in general. When I teach VR game design I need to spend a long time on UI as it seems to be a weak link for many game devs switching to VR.

HLA was one of the first unmodded games I would give an A to in terms of UI and UX. Also I gave Job Simulator A in UX, and B+ in UI. A big part of it is that most of the elements were diegetic spacial UI and UX.

[sly falcon]

bruh I added HLA to my wishlist and its not there smh

why is steam tryna hide it

[haughty thistle]

Dunno

Are you in the Index waiting list?

[sly falcon]

no gonna get it with my knucks but even if I dont planned to buy it anyway and you can only find it by searching HLA steam on google

[haughty thistle]

Weird...

[sly falcon]

oh wait I had mature content unchecked in preferences

yep here it is im dumb

[haughty thistle]

That explains it xD

[sullen linden]

tbh this game is the best.

[sly falcon]

beatsaber? or vrchat furry erping

[vagrant breach]

For the quest 2, if you want to play games running on your PC's hardware, do you have to install the game on the quest or not?

[sly falcon]

you install games on the quest

over link you install on the pc

[vagrant breach]

ok thanks

[flat pawn]

anyone running a 1070Ti in VR?

I have a friend who's looking for a GPU that can handle VR and that's the best we have for the price point

300 bucks-ish

wondering if anyone had any insight on it

or maybe even a better option at that price for VR

[sly falcon]

1070 works fine

I use a 1650 for vr which is way lower spec then 1070 ti

[flat pawn]

what games do you play?

and what headset

[sly falcon]

vive OG

[flat pawn]

my friend is looking at the quest 2 for getting into vr

naturally, at that price

[sly falcon]

you dont need a pc for a quest 2

it runs itself

[flat pawn]

you need it to play pc games on it though

which they are interested in doing

[sly falcon]

yes true

ok ill send a screenshot of my library that I run

[flat pawn]

you need a bit of extra headroom on the gpu to get the same performance on a quest w/ link compared to native pcvr if I'm not mistaken

[sly falcon]

yes correct

ive ran these titles on q1 (similar demand to q2) and OG vive and they all work fine on a 1650

[flat pawn]

I see you went for the vr humble bundle

nice

[sly falcon]

yeah its insane value

200 dollars in games I calculated

[flat pawn]

seriously, I couldn't turn it down lol

[sly falcon]

for 17 dollars!!

[flat pawn]

how's no man's sky perform?

[sly falcon]

pretty good on low, keep in mind I use a 1650

[flat pawn]

that should be fine then

[sly falcon]

yea def

[flat pawn]

1070Ti should be able to run everything at at least medium I figure

[sly falcon]

correct

[flat pawn]

gracias

[haughty thistle]

The 1070Ti should be fine for Quest Link. But considering the Q2 has higher requirements then the Q1, reducing the settings or renderscale will probably be unavoidable. On my system, many games ran with about half the framerate on Quest Link compared to my Index (let's say a game ran at between 100 - 144 fps on the Index, then on Quest Link it would be locked at 36fps with motion interpolation). Also: I'd highly advise turning off motion interpolation if you PC is capable of running Quest Link at near 72fps. That way you get a higher refreshrate image 😉

[flat pawn]

I might do that for my own computer, not sure about theirs

I have a rift s and a 1080Ti

and a 5800x

where do I turn off motion interpolation

[haughty thistle]

Last time I checked (but that was when the CV1 was still on sale) it had to be done through the Oculus Debug Tool (Oculus Installation folder/Support/oculus-diagnostics/OculusDebugTool.exe)

Nvm. It's called Asynchronous Spacewarp and you want to set it to disabled to fully turn it off

[flat pawn]

asynchronous spacewarp

what a name lol

[haughty thistle]

Well, Valve calls it "Motion Smoothing"

[abstract zodiac]

what gpu would you guys reccomend for a smooth expreience on the valve index? i currently have r7 3700x/1070ti and i'm thinking of jumping to a used rtx 2080

i'm going to be playing vr simracing (iracing, assetto corsa and dirt rally)for the most part, want to be able to play at a smooth crsipy 120fps with settings medium to low. although higher detail would be appreciated

& @haughty thistle you've set my mind on getting an index now lol

[carmine wharf]

So when you buy the humble bundle thing it gives you keys right

Steam keys

[flat pawn]

Yeah

Definitely jump on it, it's so good

Unless it's over by now

[carmine wharf]

3 days left

I'm only interested in like 2 games from it but $17 is still cheaper than those 2 games on their own lol

[flat pawn]

Exactly

I just went for all of them since I'm willing to give the other ones a chance anyways since I've heard good things

[carmine wharf]

is humble choice worth it

[carmine wharf]

ok well i got the fall vr bundle and ive redeemed zero caliber, saints and sinners, and i expect you to die, but the rest of the games i dont really know about

should i redeem them or should i give them away?

well i watched some gameplay of all the games and i think im gonna redeem them all except for maybe killing floor

damn i wish i knew about humble bundle for their first vr bundle

[sullen linden]

how often do they do vr bundles?

[carmine wharf]

idk

so if i go to a store page on steam for a vr game and it says it supports oculus and vive, but not index, does that mean it doesnt work with the index at all or does it mean its just not made to work with the index so the bindings may be weird

[sullen linden]

probably the 2nd?

unless it doesn't support steamvr

[sly falcon]

at random

[gentle coral]

@abstract zodiac you might want to get a 3070, or Radeon RX 6800 as they are probably a similar price to a used 2080. I would probably recommend the 3070 as it is cheaper and will probably be more stable in VR.

[abstract zodiac]

oh boy that's going to be hard to get, i'm planning on upgrading end of this year or early next year

[sly falcon]

I wanna get into S&S but I keep chickining out smh

[gentle coral]

I am having windows issues with my computer so I still haven't benchmarked my G2. I hope to fix my computer by later tonight. (These issues have nothing to do with VR, just windows update).

[carmine wharf]

ugh windows

i hate that i have to use it

[gentle coral]

If I get in tonight I will probably test (beat saber, vr chat, HLA, superhot, and a few others).

Yep windows can be annoying. I have a very deep rooted corrupt file set related to "sources". Even DISM repair from an external image does not work. If this update repair of windows 10 doesn't work i have to do a clean install. And with 350 GB of apps (other then steam stuff). That would be a pain.

And I have a lot of custom windows macro scripts that will be a pain to remake.

Yep windows install just blue screened.

Guess I will have a long night of windows recreation. And no vr tell I'm done

[gentle coral]

Yep

The log files are pretty clear about the issues. It's also a well known issue.

[sly falcon]

Any vive cosmos owners here that can put in perspective just how bad it is?

[carmine wharf]

well thats pretty cool, was looking at the back of my pc today and realized it has a dual link dvi port

so i can drive a 1080p 60hz display on it with only an hdmi adaptor

now my plans for dual monitors and an index may continue

[young marten]

nice

[zinc timber]

I dunno, I was testing out some vr... Games... Last night and one of them didn't work on 8gb vram

Is that because the game was poorly optimized? Entirely possible.

But it's not like VR games tend to be incredibly polished

[gentle coral]

Yep low vram is one good reason to go AMD

Or wait for Nvidia to release their high vram options

[zinc timber]

Dunno what Nvidia was thinking with those vram capacities

[gentle coral]

That they could have great margins when selling and force people to upgrade sooner

[haughty thistle]

Another reason could be that in the past GPUs haven't really required all that much VRAM

Many 4k Games still are under the 10GB VRAM mark at max settings, so the choice of saving on VRAM kinda makes sense. Unless ofc the VRAM modules are cheap AF, in which case it was just corporate greed

[soft hound]

I mean, technically, the 3080 is in the price range of the 2080 launch, not 2080Ti, so it did get a memory bump. The 3090, which is in the previous 2080Ti price range is all the way up at 24GB. People are just comparing the 3080 to the 2080Ti, when the price bracket for the cards were different to begin with

[zinc timber]

yeah, except the 3080 is a newer card

and it's also the gaming flagship

[haughty thistle]

Remember how Nvidia didn't increase VRAM on the 2080Ti?

[zinc timber]

the 1080ti had more than enough vram

[haughty thistle]

GN had a good Video about why the 10GB of VRAm on the 3080 doesn't matter as much as people think it does

[zinc timber]

similarly, the 2080ti has more than enough vram

for the time

and the power of the gpu

[soft hound]

I mean, Nvidia is marketing the 3090 as the top gaming card, which makes sense, as it is the same price as the 2080Ti was

[zinc timber]

no they're not

nobody considers the 3090 the top gaming card, not even nvidia

[haughty thistle]

You have to keep in mind that 10GM of VRAM is still a lot, and even at 4k max settings, most games don't even come close to that...

[zinc timber]

nvidia markets the 3080 as the flagship

[zinc timber]

yeah, except some games already suffer at 8gb

if you're gonna upgrade your gpu next gen then sure, doesn't matter, whatever

[soft hound]

The whole thing with them was "8K gaming" rather than productivity

[haughty thistle]

Nvidia marketed the 3090 as the world's first 8k gaming card

[haughty thistle]

Are you playing in 4k tho?

[zinc timber]

nvidia's own marketing considers the 3080 the ampere flagship, and jensen refers to the 3090 as a "titan replacement"

[zinc timber]

I've had a game refuse to run on my g2, so sort of?

[haughty thistle]

1440p is still the sweet spot imo, and I'm still totally fine with less that 11. The main reason I have a 3090 is the big 'ol heatsink

4k is still too demanding for VR, so I'd be running my G2 at less the 100% renderscale, just to get the full 90Hz

[zinc timber]

sure

but I still want more than 10gb vram

if a game that was originally designed for probably 2000-series gpus wants more than 8gb vram, I'm not going to trust that 10gb vram will be enough in 2-3 years

really hope AMD will get a DLSS competitor up soon

[haughty thistle]

It took Nvidia almost an entire GPU generation to make DLSS like properly good. At least to the point where it's viable for VR. AMD has been slower then Nvidia adopting these newer features, so we'll how long it'll take them...

[thick nest]

guys

i ordered a q2 but its out of stock and my payment hasnt been through yet should i cancel and get it from oculus.com

im shipping it to a shipping company and it says dec 7 for it to get there

its saying dec 1 for oculus

so im guessing oculus is a better choice here

[pastel echo]

Oof bro thanks for reminding me to order a Quest 2 before christmas sellout

[thick nest]

no problem

[pastel echo]

No clue where you are but I found this

https://www.amazon.com/Oculus-Quest-Advanced-All-One-2/dp/B08F7PTF54/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Quest+2&qid=1606301486&sr=8-3

[thick nest]

im getting the 64 gb model

not the 256 model

[pastel echo]

Gotchu

My bad

[thick nest]

so oculus.com right?/

[pastel echo]

I mean if you can spend same money and get it sooner

why not

[thick nest]

not sure actually

well its a 3 day difference

[pastel echo]

well like the question for you is the hassle of canceling and getting your money worth not waiting 3 days

we'll assume for this question that it will definitely get there on the 7th

For me the answer is no because I would not care so even taking 8 minutes to call my bank is too much hassle

[thick nest]

well as i said they have the cancel button right there

not such a big hassle

[pastel echo]

lol do you just want me to say go for it because you should if those 3 days are days you would have free time

[thick nest]

and my payment is not through

so cancel and thats it bc no refund

[pastel echo]

Oh wait hold on

Where did you order from initially

Amazon?

[thick nest]

yeah

[pastel echo]

OH

Wait for Amazon

Amazon Customer support and return policy and everything else is so worth waiting a little longer

I've had such an amazing time with amazon customer support and the return / refund policies that I would never trade that for anything a product company offers

[thick nest]

wait i pressed cancel and it says press again to cancel

bc i didnt pay yet

[pastel echo]

I don't know what you're saying but if you can keep the amazon order I am telling you amazon Customer Support is worth waiting a little longer

I love them

[thick nest]

yeah

[pastel echo]

I've even had amazon just give me money and never ask for my items when requesting refunds before

[thick nest]

what im saying is when you order an item thats out of stock your payment doesnt go through until they get a restock

[thick nest]

damn

yeah amazon support is the best

[pastel echo]

I didn't know they did that, sounds like you should just sit on it because you're basically in a queue then unless you don't think it would sell out while you weren't looking

[thick nest]

i checked the bank and no payment went through

the est for the restock is in december

and oculus has it in stock

[pastel echo]

I think I should get the 64GB model to be honest because I'm gonna get a gamer laptop for doing link

[thick nest]

yeah me too

[pastel echo]

but 256 is so tempting on a non upgradable storage device

[thick nest]

i already have a beefy system

[thick nest]

me too but link and possibly backups would be ideal

[pastel echo]

I mean if I could offload games onto a physical drive even that'd be enough to assure me

[thick nest]

yeah me too

[pastel echo]

to my understanding though you can't transfer native quest files

just sideload stuff

[thick nest]

im gonna cancel and order from oculus gimme a few mins

[pastel echo]

lol why'd you decide to do that?

[thick nest]

i think sidequest would have a feature like that

oculus is faster with shipping

would arrive here 5-6 days before amazon would

[pastel echo]

Haha okay, hopefully it doesn't need any returns or anything

you'll probably get a better response for broken things specifically though

[thick nest]

true but i live in the middle east

for me to ship there i'd have to pay 100+ dollars

[pastel echo]

ooooooh

very relevant detail, if you're paying so much money I see wanting it quickly

[thick nest]

and i can fix it here or send it with a friend

ok gimme a few mins

[pastel echo]

Mannn people discussing the 64Gb vs 256Gb models online all have some good internet

talking about constantly just deleting and redownloading games

[thick nest]

yeah im tempted too

[pastel echo]

like bro can I get some of that bandwidth damn

[thick nest]

a tip would be to store videos/ pictures on a pc

what does this mean

[pastel echo]

It believes that your address is a business

like a company of sorts, it may think they can't ship it to you because you aren't a person but a business

[thick nest]

does DHL count

[pastel echo]

I have no clue how things work in the middle east

I just know what commercial address means

[thick nest]

its a shipping company

bascially like ups but way faster

[pastel echo]

I know that but I have no clue how shipping to you will work

sorry can't help you I'm gonna order mine on amazon to California

[thick nest]

yeah thats gonna arrive in 2 days lmao

[pastel echo]

actually no

it would arrive in 12 hours 😎

[thick nest]

lmao

ok i ordered it

[gentle coral]

Also Amazon timelines can be very weird. I have only had maybe .5% of my items delivered late, but about 30% delivered early. A few items that said I would get them in 3 months got to me in under a week.

Also on the note about vram, is that 6GB, 8GB, 10GB, and 11 / 12 GB was fine up until 2020, but it will not be fine going forward. This is because most upcoming games will have much higher level textures by default, and much larger assets. A big part of this is due to the consoles being launched, and most AAA games are designed to be optimized for consoles and then just have extras for PC. But if your consoles always have more VRAM then your PC VRAM, the pc one will become a texture and asset downgrade. AMD saw this and it is probably part of the reason that all their cards have 16GB of ram. Nvidia knows this as well and it is why they will probably come out with high VRAM versions.

[pastel echo]

what you're saying makes me so sad

[gentle coral]

16GB will become the new target for game developers when optimized for high settings. That means that in the future any game that was optimized for consoles will probably run better on AMD cards then on Nvidia cards.

This current fight between AMD and Nvidia will probably come down to VRAM, in the same way AMD vs Intel was a fight over IPC.

[pastel echo]

Just this year was the first time my 4Gb of VRAM is no longer enough and why my GTX 980 has finally met it's end

Gonna go RTX 2070 8GB which should last at least 3-4 years

[gentle coral]

I don't even need to look at the GDC, or IGDA game dev survey to know that console dev numbers are going to be really high these next two years.

Mainly in the AAA space, but also Microsoft and Sony have completely changed their strategy to get console ports of PC games over the past 3 years, and with the new generation of consoles being glorified SFF PC's it will be even easier. I expect it to take most PC games less then a week of work to port to PS5 and XBOX Series X.

Also I am expecting many game devs to start getting AMD computers as they could probably clock the GPU, CPU, RAM, and storage to act like a console during development. And if you can test games on a regular PC without having to constantly compile it and put it on a console you can save a lot of time and money.

If I had enough money I would get an AMD rig that is as close to possible to the new consoles, and a threadripper / 3090 machine for asset creation and testing

Now that I think about it, if I had the money some of my friends had to get Teslas and stuff, I would rather build a bonkers game dev and media room.

[thick nest]

i upgraded my game dev system to a 1660 super hopefully that should do it

using my old mx 130 was a nightmare

[leaden ruin]

im gonna upgrade to a 2060 OC 6G for my VR

[thick nest]

rendering took hours for a mobile game

my current build takes 2-5 mins normally

and the thing is that the price difference is 100 dollars

vr is an easy task now with this gpu

my fans wont go to 100% at all

in vr

one thing that would make my expierence better tho is that direct storage is supported by 10/16/20 series gpu's i know nvidia would make money of it but still

bc unity takes 30+ mins to import a project

sometimes an hour

[flat pawn]

ouch that's terrible

what cpu do you have?

[crystal shadow]

minecraft vr.

[old pumice]

I just got my OC2 and was trying to find the archery game on Steam. I do think it holopoint

[iron cradle]

cheese

[haughty thistle]

Highest FOV out there, with an SDE comparable to the Q2 and HP Reverb, but with a forced 75% max renderscale (as to not put a too large load on your PC)

@frank zephyr

[thick nest]

i had an i5 8265 u now i have a ryzen 5 2600

[thick nest]

my cinebench score tripled

[gentle coral]

Yep a big reason I want a 3090 and a threadripper system is because of the unity speeds for compile and baking stuff. A few of the vr projects I currently develop would take 20 minutes to compile on my 8750h, 1070maxQ. And another takes 10 minutes just to open. It is so lucky that I can test VR games inside of unity

Also with the blender being constantly updated (2.91 came out today) with great features that can leverage the power of cards like the 3090, I think it is time for me to upgrade.

I have been putting off rendering some 8k VR cutscene animations for far to long.

[fathom sigil]

3090 more expensive than my entire setup

[haughty thistle]

The 3090 is the second single most expensive product I've ever purchased, right behind my car...
1.5k really is a lot of money

[young marten]

[sullen linden]

Can I play on oculus link on oculus quest 2 without logging in to facebook?

[carmine wharf]

Nope

Well, maybe if they get the jailbreak working. But for now, no

[gloomy crater]

well that went well

my family member's GTX 1080 finally arrived today, so I spent the afternoon using DDU and swapping graphics cards, and we finally got to play VRChat with all 3 of us together

[distant spade]

Is Oculus Cv1 a good budget VR option? I'm too poor for quest 2, otherwise I would already have a quest 2 being shipped to my house as we speak.

Just looking to play mainly beat saber.

OG Vives still sell for 400CAD+ so that isn't an option.

Quest 1 (if I'm lucky), cv1, or WMR are the only things in my budget. Will eventually get something better, this is just for now

There just isn't many options, the majority of VR Headsets that are posted on my used market is psvr, Oculus go, and phone "VR" headset things.

[gray aurora]

Just wait and get a better headset

The cv1 is not worth buying at all, it's far too inferior to the quest 2 to justify the price.

[distant spade]

So wait another year or 2 till I can afford quest 2?

Well quest 2 is 400 for me and I can get a cv1 for half, or if I'm really lucky, a quarter of that.

[carmine wharf]

What version of android do the quest and quest 2 run

[sly falcon]

damn just realised that my face has been touching my lenses, time to switch to thin face

good thing I realised b4 it did any perminant damage

[gloomy crater]

Also, said family member who bought the 1080 is getting great performance over virtual desktop, so I'm glad we didn't go out of our way to buy a cable. Plus now they don't have to deal with launching the oculus software every time they wanna play something

[stone plinth]

any good headset recommendations for desktop users if we cant get a hold of the index?

[gentle coral]

Cv1 has only two downsides and that is resolution and lenses. It has better controllers, tracking, comfort, audio, and performance then the Quest 2.

And that it is hard to get replacement parts (though that is true for most headsets).

I would only recommend buying one if the seller can show it working

[haughty thistle]

About replacement parts on the CV1, if you have the money, you can get 2 for the price of a single Quest 2 256GB. That will cover you in terms of replacement parts, plus gives you four cameras. It is not supported by Oculus, using four cameras, but I've noticed Tracking in larger playspaces was much better with 4 cameras over 3 cameras

But I do agree with Py here, the CV1 is definitely a first Gen product and has some downsides that you would not have with current headsets. But due to its lower resolution it's much easier to run and would allow you to have a larger budget on your PC, and the Controllers are amazing

[gentle coral]

Yep if you can get 2 you are set. And 3 and 4 camera setups are really great

[turbid basalt]

still waiting for the Pimax 8K to drop pricing

4K per eye and huge FOV + RTX 3080 = awesomeness

[pastel echo]

Yeaaaah

Would a 3080 really be able to push that?

[gentle coral]

Probably not, as getting anything to run at even 8k 60 requires the 3090, and DLSS 2.1

Though it definitely depends on the game

I think right now it is possible to create an 8k per eye VR headset, but don't think any graphics card could run it for 4 years at least (unless crossfire, and SLI get fixed).

Also I just saw that vulcan now supports native Ray tracing. I am excited to see how well it works if I get my 3090 soon.

[acoustic gate]

Is it possible to just play steamvr without Facebook on the quest 2? Or would I still need to wait for a jailbreak

[haughty thistle]

Another thing to note with PiMax headsets is that they have quite a bit of lens distortion around the edge of your FOV

[leaden ruin]

yay my rift s is coming tonight

[sullen linden]

what vr headset would y'all recommend a makerspace buy, I'm lookin for something not only solid quality yet affordable, but something really easy to clean between users. Are there any headsets with completely detachable headbands and faceplates or w/e they're called? Like on the quest two, can I buy extra straps and form face things and easily switch them out w/ clean ones, or does it take like 2+ minutes, or can you not even disassemble it?

[flat pawn]

@sullen linden you can order silicone covers that'll fit any headset you buy

Easily swapped out/cleaned

For like 15 bucks

Here's an example

https://www.amazon.com/VR-Cover-Silicone-Oculus-Quest/dp/B086YC2YJ6/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=vr+cover&qid=1606414012&sr=8-5

[sullen linden]

Oh that's perfect, thanks. I'll probably go for some covers and a quest 2

[flat pawn]

Stay safe

✌️

[sullen linden]

You too!

[haughty thistle]

The benefit of these silicone covers is that you can use them with any headset. So, if having to use a Facebook account doesn't suit you well, these covers are available for other headsets too 😉

[fallen tulip]

[turbid basalt]

The Pimax "8K" is not true 8K, it's just 2x 4K UHD. Also I believe there is an option to render at lower resolutions and have the HMD upscale internally. So the RTX 3080 is def. enough horsepower to push that at 75 Hz

https://eu.pimax.com/products/vision-8k-x?utm_source=NA_Site&utm_medium=autoredirect&utm_campaign=Geo_Country_Redirect

1440p per eye mode sounds nice

[carmine wharf]

The pimax isn't true 8k

Its far easier to drive than an 8k display

Bro he litteraly said that above me

I need to scroll down before I say anything

[gentle coral]

@sullen linden it can depend on the type of makerspace or Hackerspace. I run a VR setup at a Hackerspace in SF, and we have a number of different headsets. The most used one is Vive, as the parts that break, or get worn down most often (facecover, headband, cable, controllers), are easy to replace.

I would recommend making a specific Facebook account for the headset that is tied to the space (i think you can use a facebook page (the one for the makerspace), as what links to the Quest 2.

If there are game developers at your makerspace I might recommend a PCVR headset if you have a good gaming computer in the space. Otherwise the Quest 2 is fine.

Definitely get a good headstrap, and maybe some sort of protective casing for the headset and controllers to increase their durability.

And get some extra faceplates.

You will be surprised how rough people can be with headsets when they are new to VR.

And if the area you want people to use the headset in doesn't have good barriers, I recommend building a boxing ring like area out of pvc tubes, and pool noodles.

Here is a picture of my friend running one of our VR setup at Maker Faire Bay Area 2019.

Also foam floor tiles are great for helping when people fall.

Running VR setups is a lot of fun, but safety can be hard to build into the experience.

The next setup I will build will be a combination of a few different setup designs I have made. With greenscreen walls, foam noodles behind it, a netted entrance, greenscreen foam floor tiles, and softbox lighting.

I might make more of the parts fully custom if I can, the hardest is making custom nets.

[acoustic gate]

Guys I wonder, if you are gonna use the quest 2 for steamvr and your fake facebook account gets banned for not a real person or something, can you just make a new one and use that again and so on?

[haughty thistle]

I'm pretty sure FB is going to be extra careful with accounts logged into a headset on which an account already got banned

I'd still advise staying away from using a Fake account for the Q2. Even if you exclusively use it for PCVR

Besides, there are PCVR headsets out there (on the used market), that are cheaper then the Q2, have a native connection, so they don't require as strong of a PC AND don't require an FB login in the first place...

[acoustic gate]

The problem is there aren't any used headsets for a decent price here, I can only find the original oculus rift for 350 and the vive for 400 and higher, I was thinking of the rift s but i am still always unsure about it and the g2 is just too expensive

[sly falcon]

what about that shit ALMR

the blue one

[rapid mural]

Wait do I need to link a credit card to activate developer mode?
they say before you didn't have to but now its a requirement

[sly falcon]

thats bullshit, idk why you need

[acoustic gate]

almr?

[sly falcon]

asus mixed reality headset

[rapid mural]

you talking about my questions?

[sly falcon]

ye

[rapid mural]

oh okay so It is true right?

[sly falcon]

I didnt need to do that , idk why you do need to, I did it back in 2019 tho

[acoustic gate]

530 euro's new and none used

[sly falcon]

wow, its 200 bucks here

[rapid mural]

would you say there is any risk in that?

[sly falcon]

well I trust oculus but you can always sue

[rapid mural]

alright ty

[gentle coral]

Almr is not a name of any headset, and if you mean the Asus Mixed Reality headset, it would be called the Asus WMR headset. As there is also the Acer WMR headset, and many others.

I dont remember if I tried the Asus WMR headset, but WMR is ok for people new to PCVR who don't know if they enjoy VR. But I would never pay more then 300 for a new or used WMR headset (other then the HP reverb G1 or G2.)

Then again my WMR headset was a free developer edition (worse build quality then any of the regular WMR headsets)

I remember back when they were super cheap for new WMR headsets.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/1/22/16920452/microsoft-windows-mixed-reality-headsets-sale-amazon

That was in January of 2018

Finally fixed my computer so I should get into VR with my HP Reverb G2 later today

My 1070 maxQ laptop will probably stab me for trying to run stuff at G2 native resolution.

[zinc timber]

G2 controllers are usable

They're not great, but tracking seems to be alright

[flat pawn]

Never pre order

Dude, you're getting an index

[haughty thistle]

About ALMR, I think he was referring to the name given by Linus to the light blue Acer WMR headset (not the Ojo 500)

From this video: https://youtu.be/VCqfs6yg2XU

[thick nest]

wow i got f-d oculus doesnt ship to DHL/USPS etc and amazon orders are being delayed to january 1st

[gentle coral]

That is the Acer Windows mixed reality headset. I have the earlier developer model with an even worse headstrap (Microsoft gave them out for free to developers.)

In the video he says AMR a number of times (sounds like amur, or amer), and later writes Acer WMRH. There are a few points where the audio does sound like ge is saying ALMR, as the transition from the a to m sound has your tongue go through almost making an L sound.

That video still has one of the best descriptions of the confusing WMR branding scheme out there.

I also find it funny that people often think the WMR headsets are lower resolution then the vive or CV1, just because for most of its time it was the cheap option. WMR headsets were also super portable compared to the vive and rift cv1.

[sly falcon]

tbh avoid that headset at all costs

and yeah I just realised he does call it AMR not ALMR

[fair meteor]

Hey, so i just set up link on my quest 2, but the oculus app says "no headset audio"

and the Oculus Virtual Audio device does not show up in windows for me

it did when i had my friend's rift S plugged in

and it did show a bit after that, but now it doesn't show up at all

[gloomy crater]

so uh

the other day when my family member's new graphics card got here and I said that virtual desktop was working like a charm? I think I might have said that too early

it was just fine for playing VRChat, but as soon as she tried to play something where latency mattered, it all went to shit. She couldn't figure out how to get her computer to run off the 5Ghz band while connected via cable, so she was stuck at 2.4Ghz which made the latency terrible. So she had to switch over to a wifi connection to get the PC onto the 5Ghz band, at which point virtual desktop yelled at her for not having her computer connected via cable.

Then, the latency got better once both the headset and the PC were running 5Ghz, but for some reason virtual desktop would just refuse to display the game as it's supposed to be displayed, instead choosing to show her the desktop itself with the game running on it. This would force her to close the game and relaunch it, and this happened roughly once every fifteen minutes

She's now contemplating buying a cord and eating the $20 she lost on buying virtual desktop. Disappointing

[junior rampart]

look at all those chimkins

[flat pawn]

is this on the quest 2? @gloomy crater

[gloomy crater]

no. quest 1

[gloomy crater]

the weird thing is that when we were playing VRChat with the quest and PC on the 2.4Ghz band over wire, she never had this issue in the 2 hours straight we were playing. As soon as she switches to wifi to connect to the 5Ghz band to reduce the latency, this weird framing issue starts presenting itself

[gentle coral]

When you mean over wire, do you mean ethernet, because if so, the computer does not care about 2.4, or 5 Ghz as that doesn't matter for ethernet. If you have a good wifi router, you should be able to log in to it and prioritize the quest to use 5Ghz and demote other devices to 2.4. Or you can set up your router to have two separate wifi networks (a 2.4 and a 5Ghz network). Then make sure you are logged into the 5Ghz network and the router is in the same room as where you are playing VR.

[gloomy crater]

Yes, I meant over ethernet. I was just confused because one PC connected via ethernet listed the connected network as being 5G, while another PC connected to the same router via ethernet had the connected network listed as 2.4. I was trying to figure out why one PC listed as connected to the 5G and the other listed as connected to the 2.4. But now, for some reason, after doing lots more testing, even though both devices aren't listed as being connected to the same network (the quest is still connected to the 5g network, and the PC is still saying it's connected to the 2.4 network) like the virtual desktop page says it has to be, it's still connecting even though they aren't listed on the same network. So I guess it's fixed now? I have no idea what changed between last night and today but it seems to be working now, even though by VD's spec document, it shouldn't be

[gentle coral]

I think it might be because when connected to ethernet it will say it is connceted to whichever network that router has set as the primary (which is usually the 2.4 Ghz network), as ethernet actually sends data over a very different set of frequencies then wireless does, so it just says if is connected to the primary network on that router.

[harsh niche]

sometimes my game launches and VD shows the game on the desktop, there is usually a button in the virtual desktop menu that says "switch to vr mode". if that's not there then idk, try opening games through the virtual desktop menu instead of steamvr sometimes that makes a difference

[humble mauve]

@gentle coral I own that headset lol not the greatest but it works kinda

[gentle coral]

Do you own the developer version or the public version?

It says development edition on the top

And the headstap is a slightly modified version of a cheap snowboard boot strap.

[gentle coral]

Finally fixed my computer i will start testing my Reverb G2 later today

[gentle coral]

I reinstalled windows, took an entire day to reinstall everything and configure settings in a ton of apps

[night gale]

sometimes the only way to fix a problem is to re-install the entire OS, which was something that needed to be done way more often in the win9x days

[cursive fog]

What's some good experiences to show seniors in VR? I got Google earth and some parts of The Lab. But there was like one with a giant whale and such, right? I mostly am just looking for something where they can sit and experiences something they never could get to see otherwise

[sly falcon]

ive shown my grandma beatsaber, aint to good on an idea but she liked it

[fathom sigil]

my grandma would turn in her grave at the thought of such advanced technology

[young marten]