Just got it a couple days ago aswell. Personally, very pleased with the quality of the screen compared to first gen. Tracking has been great as well the guardian system is cool. Linus was being pretty critical in his video.
#virtual-reality
gleaming grove
Well Lower refresh rate is a pretty big deal
pale drum
not really as you dont really notice it
haughty thistle
You do notice it if you have the Valve index and the Framerate suddenly drops more than half
But If you're just using 80Hz, you don't really notice it...
haughty thistle
I've been playing BeatSaber fine on the 72Hz of the Quest. I just have no idea what people complain about both the refresh rate and the Inside-Out tracking...
One of the hardest maps I've finished so far and it only took me two tries to beat it on the Quest: https://bsaber.com/songs/6bd3/
surreal tide
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cloud pier
I got FC on K/DA on the Quest, the same day that I got it.
While I had the CV1 for like 2 years and always missed about 10-20 notes.
The Quest felt smoother to me than the CV1. IDK why of course. It just felt nicer.
haughty thistle
I'm used to my Index so obviously I can tell that the Quest isn't as smooth, but it's still smoother 60Hz
cloud pier
I'd like to try out an Index one day, but for now I'm happy with the Quest x3
I actually changed my PC from ATX to mITX, since I was no longer going to use it for VR.
haughty thistle
Oh...
cloud pier
Could change in the future of course, but for now, I'm keeping it in this smaller state.
haughty thistle
Well, I only very recently acquired a Quest very recently for travelling xD
I haven't really beefed up my PC since I got VR in the first place, but I mean a 1080Ti is still plenty enough for the Index. I wouldn't go any weaker than a 1080 with it though...
willow crypt
i still wanna get index tho, i like to upgrade once and not again for another 3 yers
i got cv1 this year tho and my rig wont support a index rn so that needs an upgrade first
abstract river
The pixel response times on the LCD of the Rift s let it have more or less the same effect as a 90hz oled
hexed notch
Not the pixel response
The strobing
The LCD on its own doesn't cut it
Strobing is what allows the index to be 6x clearer (technically)
Vs all the other methods
sullen linden
my buddy wants an old vive starter kit but it is sold out everywhere we look
or its 800 bucks.
anybody got any ideas?
sullen linden
The old vive is discontinued
abstract grove
can still find them second hand on ebay tho
sullen linden
You have to probably get it used if you want it cheaper
abstract grove
^
sullen linden
Is there a cheap way to get into pc vr?
hexed notch
Sub 500 assuming your PC doesn't cut it yet is hard
candid flax
rich kraken
He did say pc vr
But a budget would be much better to work with tbh
And like list potential hardware they already have
quiet saffron
odd question,
when i run subnautica with the epic launcher, it opens it up in my headset, wondering if theres a way to stop this from happening so i can play it on desktop
surreal tide
Unplug it when you play subnautica
cloud pier
If you’re on Oculus, there should be a runtime you can stop, so OculusHome isn’t running.
And with a command you should be able to bring it back so you don’t have to restart your PC to play VR.
I forget what it’s called. Just search it up xD
You can put it into a batch file, and when you run it it can ask if you want to stop or start the service.
surreal tide
or just have a shortcut to open oculus
cloud pier
It doesn't want to open if the service isn't running. You gotta either start the service manually, or restart the PC.
Here ya go
I think that's the thing I'm talking about
sullen linden
pc is i7-9700k, rtx 2080ti, 32gb ram
haughty thistle
Anyone here having experience with Oculus Quest Link?
rich kraken
If you have the hardware then it's about finding the cheapest price for your region and its about what you want. Like quest has link, buying an original rift will have better tracking, original vive or index have arguable the best tracking and have access to accessories like trackers.
But controllers on vive suck but you can at least buy index controllers down the line, and index 1k usd
haughty thistle
I do have an Index and FBT with Vive Trackers already, I also have a Quest and the required cable. It's just that it complains that it can't output audio to the headset (even though it mirrors my Desktop sound onto the Quest) and after a few minutes the Quest just stops sending the Tracking signal to the PC. I can still look around, but it's just black around the flat, stereoscopic image which was last transferred and the controllers freeze as well. I can't do any inputs, but the audio keeps working
And what I wanted to ask, was if anybody knows these issues and knows how to fix them
rich kraken
probably should've pinged @sullen linden
I was mainly referring to them
haughty thistle
Oh, ok ^^"
sullen linden
my head goes completely numb after playing beatsaber
sullen linden
Might want to get that checked
can you recharge a dry battery from oculus rift s?
its a mitsubishi electric battery
haughty thistle
If you're talking about the included AA batteries: they should be Alkaline, which you can't and shouldn't recharge
sullen linden
it says alkaline correct
i get a headache after a while in vr and when i take of my headset my head feels like my blood suddenly turned cold
gentle coral
@sullen linden what headset. That sounds like a ergonomics issue or a perception issue. Also where does the headache happen. Also have you matched the headset to your ipd.
cloud pier
It also could just be too tight, Reginald.
sullen linden
Lenovo explorer
Headache happens after like 10mins of playing
I think im gonna not have it aa tight
sullen linden
I would understand if you felt sick but yeah if you're getting a headache my first guess wold be that you didn't adjust it properly
sullen linden
The ipd?
rapid bear
yes @sullen linden
haughty thistle
The IPD on the Lenovo Explorer is fixed. Afaik it's 63.5mm
green crypt
there is a sofware adjustment tho that does almost nothing but it does change things slightly
haughty thistle
It SW-IPD-Adjustment changes the pre-distortion on the rendered image to make it look more natural for someone looking through the lenses not straight through. It does help against certain types of nausia
sullen linden
I think my thingy was just too tight
Or maybe my little ickle brain is confused.com
meager python
Thoughts on the Oculus Link cable that turns the Quest into a PC-Powered headset?
bitter pewter
I just got an HP Reverb and the Windows Mixed Reality Portal is not installing the drivers
It says it is but it sits there with no disk or network activity
sullen linden
finally got.my livingroom situated to where I can actually use VR again
been almost 2 months >.<
twilit sage
Question about Onward: how the hell do you pick up the drone?
sullen linden
Once you put it in the air I don't think you can pick it up anymore
haughty thistle
@bitter pewter, WMR Portal is a bit weird when installing. Sometimes it works right away, but not always (sometimes when it freezes, you have changed the default App installation location in Windows)
Since it has been more than 15 hours since you asked here, I'd suggest to just play around with rebooting, relaunching the utility and unplugging the headset. For me it worked after the 3rd try...
bitter pewter
@haughty thistle I returned the headset. Normally I'd play around more but HP offers no support of any kind for their own headset, which is completely unacceptable.
I ended up getting an HTC Cosmos to skip WMR Portal entirely. Thanks for the suggestions though.
green crypt
the cosmos is worse in tracking
haughty thistle
*way worse
sullen linden
in theWMR home there is weird shadows around the edges of my FOV
I think its just a driver thing tho
gentle coral
Reverb is theoretically thebest WMR headset but it would benefit from better tracking (like all WMR headsets). Also if your computer can push the nessasary data for a reverb, then you should be able to run a Valve index. Though you definitely lose portability.
If portability and power is important then the Quest is really great once you also get the link cable.
willow crypt
if there was a system like nolo but actually decent and worked with all headsets including full body tracking for like less than 200$ would people get it?
gentle coral
Yes and no. If the controllers were as good as the index controllers then it would be great.
I also think going the module route that valve is doing would be great for people who want to expand their kits, or run public VR arcade setups like I do. I want extra controllers to separate charging time from play time.
Also platform agnostic would be great for developers and players.
young marten
They would and I have nolo working with full body* already using D4VR
willow crypt
i am just figuring out the project and seeing if it is worth pursuing, as for tracking it should match the index as it works on the same principle
bitter pewter
I would've gotten an Index but it's backordered to March pretty much
willow crypt
well... my pc has decided it cant do vr anymore without lots of stutters
updated drivers to new 2020 adreneline no better
bitter pewter
What's your graphics card and CPU?
willow crypt
rx480 red devil, 6600k oc 4.5ghz
bitter pewter
It might be a combination of a lower end graphics card and the 4 thread CPU
The i5s run into a lot of stutter issues
willow crypt
the 480 is still fine imo
btw check #tech-support for the afterburner graph
but yeah cpu needs upgrading anyway
bitter pewter
Have 8 or 16gb memory?
willow crypt
16gb
willow crypt
yeah, thats my thoughts
but i dont wanna be without my vr until march
well i dont wanna have to avoid useful tasks that i need to do (well need is subjective) because this thing cant do it
bitter pewter
What are you waiting until March to do?
haughty thistle
I saw someone earlier praising the Reverb as being the best WMR headset. Bets overall WMR headset is actually thew Samsung Odyssey, as it it the only one with customized, more ergonomic controllers and IPD adjustment
The Reverb on the other hand is the best VR headset for Simulation, since there you do need as much detail as you can get
bitter pewter
I had such a bad experience with WMR that I'm just going to avoid it for now
I was going to use SteamVR more anyways
haughty thistle
But yeah, in general, my Recommendation list looks like this:
Sub 400?
EU: Used Market
US & Korea: Samsung Odyssey or Used Market
About 400?
IPD within 68-60mm range: Oculus Rift S
IPD outside that range: Oculus Quest
Over 400?
You can wait: Save up for an Index
You can't wait: Look at recommendations for "About 400"
General overwriting factor is:
You don't have a VR capable PC?
You can wait: upgrade your PC and look at previous graph
You can't wait: Oculus Quest
void grove
gentle coral
@willow crypt I recommend not using the same tracking for full body motion capture as for headset and controllers. That limits a lot of ways to wear clothes, and large trackers like the vive pucks are terrible compared to true motion capture suits like the smart suit pro from rokoko and others.
Inside out full body motion capture will drop below 500 dollars quite soon. Imu drift for synchronized sensors is almost a solved problem. Especially if you have a hierarchy of sensors.
@haughty thistle Your right about the ipd and slightly more ergonomic controllers. But also it is still using a halo headmount which causes some people issues. That's a reason to try out many different headsets.
I have yet to compare released versions side by side. (I usually end up trying the developer versions of these headsets at conferences which often have different parts.)
Though I have also heard that samsung has a better support team then quite a few of the others as they have an active vr hardware development department (though it might change as they phase out gear vr completely.
gentle coral
Anyone here try Panasonics new VR glasses headset?
Also anyone else here who has used a VRgineers Xtal headset (their 8k or 5k one)? If so what did you think.
I tried NASA's previous 5k one when they brought it to the public VR dev setup I run in San Francisco. It was really clear and had great foveated rendering. The auto ipd was cool but also a bit of a gimmick considering the weight it added. Overall it is a great headset but front heavy as all heck.
twilit sage
@sweet crag lmao usable for what
You won't have any controllers and you will only have one camera
Meaning limited tracking
Pair that with a low resolution as well
green crypt
not a use get a used wmr headset for double the price it's better
sweet crag
Does anyone know a good wmr headset for less than 150
willow crypt
@gentle coral thanks for the advice, I was just considering it as a project to see if I could get close to something half decent and 500usd is still alot of money for most people, this system would be less than 100usd to make so the pricing would be considerably less and ofc its a bit more hacky but what doesn't start like that?
haughty thistle
Vive Trackers do work fine for most people, and if you already have / are about to get a SteamVR tracked headset anyways, it's 300 + Straps and you're done. With other solutions you usually have to install additional HW or the tracking isn't as good. Vive Trackers are just the way to go right now (since that inside-out tracked solution still needs a special flooring and doesn't track the feet, but the legs instead)
willow crypt
i already have a rift cv1 im thinking of developing a low cost 3d tracking system that works separately to the vive system so it works with every headset
surreal tide
Is there any use for full body tracking right now besides looking cool in VRchat?
willow crypt
Erm... Not getting shot in pavlov
sweet crag
Can I use a wmr headset with steam vr
sweet crag
Thanks
haughty thistle
Last time I used a WMR headset, you needed to install this in addition to SteamVR: https://store.steampowered.com/app/719950/Windows_Mixed_Reality_for_SteamVR/
I don't know if this is still the case, but I wanted to mention it
green crypt
looks like it's needed still it manages the display rendering only tho
sweet crag
I'm struggling to find a cheap wmr headset does anyone know a name of a good cheap one
haughty thistle
Many WMR headsets have been discontinued sadly. The only ones I know that are still being manufactured are the Acer OjO 500 (don't get this one, it's too overpriced), the Samsung Odyssey+ and the HP Reverb. The Reverb isn't all that cheap 'cause of it's screens. So if you are looking for a VR headset that you can still get new it's either the Samsung Odyssey+ or the Oculus Rift S, depending on what's cheaper. The Samsung one is also not sold in Europe btw.
Other than that, if you can find one, the Lenovo Explorer and the Dell Visor have been regareded as the best WMR headsets that were not all custom designs like the ones I mentioned earlier, but they have both been discontinued afaik
The Original Acer model (the one that Linus reviewed) seemed to be the worst of the WMR headsets, and I can't really recommend it. The original HP model (the VR1000 or however it was called) also seemed to be a good headset, although it did have a slightly smaller FOV compared to the Dell and the Lenovo offering. I can't say anything about the Asus model, since it was only in manufacturing for a breif time, and didn't seem to sell a lot
autumn tangle
ipd adjustments dont exist on wmr either
haughty thistle
The Samsung ones have physical IPD adjustment
haughty thistle
Samsung Odyssey plus. It has a physical dial at the bottom to adjust the IPD
Motorized IPD adjustment i've only seen on the XTAL and the StarVR One
See this Dial: it's for the IPD adjustment
gentle coral
@willow crypt I think I wasent clear enough. You could definitely make something like nolo for about 150 dollars but only 3 sensors. 500 dollars is for 12 to 20 point imu body motion capture.
@haughty thistle. Most Imu's based systems dont heed any external hardware tracking and do not need a special floor. Also if you want more then 12 trackers then vive pucks get quite bulky, the way they hang from clothes is not useful for high accuracy tracking.
haughty thistle
I was talking about FBT for the home consumer like for VRC. Pretty much all games that do support FBT right now only support 6 point tracking:
Head, Hands, Hip & Feet
Yes, if you do want to do motion capture, there are better systems out there, but they either don't interface with Consumer software like SteamVR or don't track in realtime in the first place
willow crypt
yeah im not talking about full mo cap type thing, but the actual modules are very cheap but again its just an idea
haughty thistle
SteamVR Tracking HW draws quite a lot of power so the batteries have to be accordingly sized. That is, from how I understood, what makes the Vive pucks so large. Yes with current technology, you could make them in theory pretty small, but you would still need to solve the power issue. There are mocap suits, which just use white-reflective balls and kind-of security camers to track the balls, but those setups are setup in special rooms which don't reflect an aweful lot of IR light, so that cameras can see the balls easier. They are also using loads of camers to always have the balls in vision, so that the tracking doesn't go off. Yes, the suit is cheap, but the rest ain't
I think the Vive pucks really are the best compromise we have right now for 6-Point tracking, followed by Nolo
And the Vive pucks do work with any headset, you just need to run the SteamVR lighthouses at the same time
willow crypt
yeah i was thinking a central core maybe backpack type thing with wires, its not pretty but if youre putting modules on, youre not exactly concerned about looks
yeah the pucks are just crazy expensive is what ive found
gentle coral
@haughty thistle I am not talking about opptitrack suits that is an outside in tracking system and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Imu tracking is completely different technology
true, you need to mod games to get anything really nice above 6 sensors (currently only useful for streamers, or developers.) Steamvr integration is definitely a problem right now though, running a separate unity system to override and update the tracking is annoying (when it even works).
haughty thistle
Overpriced top be precise. You can make ones on your own for 30€ + a battery bank
willow crypt
yeah im pretty much just thinking if youve got a headset tether, you can probably add a data cable for the other trackers on there
haughty thistle
Do you know how much you move your feet and hands compared to your head? a lot more
willow crypt
yeah... why is that an issue?
its just theoretical but cables arent difficult to manage
haughty thistle
You will get tangled in the cables. I've seen people who have their Vive trackers and controllers plugged into a USB hub on their back and that is then connected to the USB port in their headset. it does work, yes, but is a cable mess and can restrict your movement a little
willow crypt
yeah its not the best experience, but its less than half the cost of the competition
and gets you 90% there
idk it would require testing and may just put an 18650 or smth on each module
gentle coral
@haughty thistle if you are worried about cable tangling and cable over strain that can be solved by not using usb cables. And using a suit with cable channels. That is why I mentioned rokoko's suit.
haughty thistle
And about the IMU tracking, watch this Video and you'll get why all Inside-out headsets are using cameras to find their position in the room additionally, but this is more processing intensive, and thus draws more power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q_8d0E3tDk
haughty thistle
For many people who are willing to work with a soldering iron are fine with cabeling and a little bit of a janky solution, the Vive Tracker DIY are probably the best bet
gentle coral
@haughty thistle that video is very old and drift has been solved to quite a degree.
haughty thistle
It's still a major issue with IMUs
It's just the noise + the drift that you get, because you can#t encode truely analoge movement with just a digital signal. There will be always drift. you can midigate it to some deegree but never solve it
willow crypt
you can get 12dof imus now with magnetometers inbuilt
those should help fix the drift significantly
haughty thistle
magnetometers only fix the rotaional drift, but not the positional drift
willow crypt
still helping
and if you have 3 imus, you can attempt to have them compensate
but again would need testing
if in doubt chuck more imus at it
like boosters really...
haughty thistle
All of that is alleviating the issue to some degree, but if you do want true, non-drift positional tracking, the device will always need to orientate itself at something stationary. And with our current technology there are only two ways afaik: With a basestation placed in the room overseeing the device position and the device orientating itself against other objects in the room like a table or Chair
Maybe one day we have magnetometers that can detect the earths magnetic field so accuratly that it can be used as like a GPS. Then true accurate IMU tracking will be possible, but we just don't have this yet
gentle coral
I dont know what suits you have tried but many company's in the space today have less than a millimeter of drift. And if you have one true refrence module that all the others can refrence then you can solve most of the issues.
You are definitely right that you need a reference frame. But if your headset is set as the refrence frame (one imu master set on the headset itself) then the headset becomes the position recalibration system.
Also if you back it up with cellular triangulation you should get millimeter accuracy pretty quickly.
willow crypt
didnt think of using one as a reference tho
so they all are based off of that
but that wouldnt fix drift tho
haughty thistle
Well, if this is all so easy, then tell me why this technology isn't out there yet?
willow crypt
i dont think
because this sector isnt a huge market
and most companies dont want to invest in making hardware that they wont sell large amounts of
haughty thistle
Drift is a major issue that we just can't solve right now.Even with your frame of reference, there's still going to be drift, since an IMU technically speaking doesn't have a frame of reference
willow crypt
if we could get accurate velocity measurement
then would only be one intergration
so manageable drift
haughty thistle
The more accurate the acceleration data is the less drift you have, that is true
haughty thistle
But the consumer accelerometers (the ones that are affordable basically) all have just not enough data to work with. And the bigger your playarea is / the more you move around, the more noticable the drift gets
willow crypt
yeah,
hang on... if the inside out tracking works, why cant we just apply the same thing to other modules
right imu tracking...
haughty thistle
it is quite processing intensive and this comes with quite the power draw
willow crypt
true, but i feel that once you get the initial system working its easier to optimize from there
haughty thistle
The Vive Trackers already have a small battery life for the capacity the battery has, and those have to orientate themselves against base statioons, which is less intensive to compute
willow crypt
also any kind of visual tracking is gonna be power intensive
haughty thistle
There is actually a company working on something like that
Mentioned in this Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjpKyelaiZM
willow crypt
why do the trackers have to compute anything, just transmit gyro + accel data and power the ir leds
haughty thistle
But that orintates itselfs on a special capet and it costs ~600
willow crypt
yeah thats a little expensive
haughty thistle
SteamVR tracking is technically speaking inside-out. The Lighthouses sweep the room with IR lasers and the trackers/headset pick up that laser and can compute their position since the lighthouse position is known in the room
willow crypt
huh... why
outside in would be a far more efficient system
triangulate the leds for orientation and distance
heck, could be reflectors on the pucks make em unpowered
would be more intensive but its a pc it can do it
haughty thistle
A true outside in system again has the issue with the limited data from the camers. Actually the way that Valve did it with the Lighthouse systems is afaik the best possible solution, since you can have an infinite amount of devices in the tracked area all working simoultaniously
willow crypt
yeah simultaneous tracking would be interesting
haughty thistle
It does require every device to be powered though
willow crypt
but i feel that you could probably put 2/3 cameras in each lighthouse as the ir light only needs one per lighthouse
haughty thistle
But it isn't limited to any camera resolution or anything, and the pc doesn#t have to compute data that isn't even needed
willow crypt
each camera depending on fps could do multiple trackers
and res ofc
probably 120hz 720p would work
haughty thistle
SteamVR tracking is processing-wise the most efficient system, and each device doesn't need a uniquely IR look for the cameras to distinguish between them after one got lost
willow crypt
true hadnt thought of different ir looks
but that could be done by number of reflectors in the middle or smth
haughty thistle
There are true outside in systems that can work with all points looking identically, but they use a heck-ton of camers to always have the dots in view
And with those you are limited with how fast you can move, before the tracking gets wanky
willow crypt
yeah you need fast update times
gentle coral
A few of the devs I know around San Francisco using a few of these style systems while walking and exercising and the data is quite accurate. (At times scary accurate)
Market size for vr is quite small compared to the animation and film sector (which also pays more for the same devices).
Stuff exists it just is companies not wanting to give it to consumers due to low margins.
Same with better vr headsets. It would be very simple to double the power of the oculus quest while only adding about 50 dollars in parts (if they move the battery).
True that steamvr is technically inside out. There are ways you can can even trick the current system into seeing greater then 16 lighthouses. I think it will be an even better system once their solid state lidar version comes out. Once you are able to remove the moving parts lighthouses will drop in price quite a bit.
Also it is sad there are so few third party steamvr controllers, the on device sensors are so cheap.
willow crypt
so imu in tracker is probably a good idea just for times between frames
haughty thistle
^ You basically just described how the Oculus Touch controllers work on the Rift S and Quest
They use IMUs to track the position and use the cameras in the headset to keep the sensors in check
willow crypt
yeah... thats how i would do it
and its the same tech so its proven and can work great
also alot less battery intensive for an imu and leds vs computation
haughty thistle
But you need the devices in view of the cameras. It works well for your hands, since they are in front of your face mostly anyways, but for FBT, i just don't see a completely inside-out tracked solution for FBT anytime soon
Except ofc when the trackers use cameras themselfes
willow crypt
that is true, possibly a hybrid system is needed
haughty thistle
So like the Rift S with Vive Trackers?
willow crypt
so outside in for head and hands, then inside out for feet and idk for hip?
haughty thistle
Other way around, you mean
willow crypt
maybe
like the head and hands tracked like the rift
then the feet and maybe hip tracked like the quest
maybe
idk im gonna try beat saber again see if my stuttering has magically stopped like it started
somehow i dont think those stutters are supposed to be there...
sweet crag
Is the gear VR any good bc I can get for 10 euro locally
haughty thistle
GearVR = Phone VR = 3DOF VR = bad VR
In a nutshell, 3DOF VR doesn't track your heads position at all and this can make people sick. Way more so than other "sickening-factors" like low frame rates or a badly adjusted headset.
green crypt
only use of the gear vr is to take the lenses and put them in a vive
burnt lichen
@green crypt what
green crypt
people mod the lenses on the htc vive with gear vr lenses as they have less godrays
burnt lichen
I happen to have a gear vr and htc vive should I do the mod?
burnt lichen
@green crypt
green crypt
search on youtube you need to 3d print an adapter and you can do it
cloud pier
@quiet saffron Hey I found the batch file I made to manually stop and start the Oculus runtime service.
I'll DM it to you if you want.
quiet saffron
Oh aighty
urban raptor
Looking into getting into VR mostly to play blades and sorcery any recommendations for like £300
twilit sage
People that do no research and just ask in places like this piss me off, at least tell us more of what you're looking for and what you have already checked out...
your only options are used Rifts or WMR headsets.
true pebble
you guys think going 3700x over the 3600 would help with microstutter noticeably in VR?
twilit sage
Not really, no
A platform change or changing your GPU might help with that. What are your current specs anyway?
I'm running a 2700X with a 2070 Super and I don't really get any microstutters, it depends on the game/app I guess
sullen linden
Vr is a heckin beesechurger
true pebble
4790k and a 1070ti, I don't have a vr setup yet
I'm probably going 3700x to "future proof" for Star Citizen, or upgrading when the 4000 desktops come out
so really it's 3600 now and upgrade later, or go 3700x
I'm hoping the single core performance will go up a fair bit on the 4000 series side.
twilit sage
3600 will be just enough, I dont think SC will utilise the 8 cores
And you shouldnt expect that. The perf jump from 1XXX to 2XXX was 10%
true pebble
not in its current state, but they say they're going to keep optimizing for newer hardware and it's looking like the name of the game going forward will be core count over clocks
twilit sage
3600 for gaming, 3700X for gaming and productivity tasks like PS and Pr
true pebble
I'm looking more for frametime consistancy than raw FPS average increase
I might just be really sensitive to it right now though, my cpu can chugg in modern titles
I've had to stop playing BFV
twilit sage
As I said, I don't think 2 extra cores will do much extra for you but you should probably do your own research on this as I don't know too much, just talking from experience here.
true pebble
gotcha, I appreciate it tho
twilit sage
Oh yeah 4th gen CPUs are getting a bit old
true pebble
really glad I went for the hyperthreading
twilit sage
BFV has been neglected though, so no surprise there
true pebble
I'm convinced anyone who tells you 4 cores is enough for gaming doesn't have a monitor with >60hz refresh rate, or doesn't know the difference between FPS drops and lag
which the latter is VERY common
twilit sage
Most games won't use more than 4 cores as they're not optimised for it.
But the extra cores can help with background tasks.
Anyway I gotta go, good luck!
true pebble
I'd say any "AAA" title in the last two-three years can benefit from it for frametime consistancy
peace 🙂
willow crypt
games are becoming more and more multithreaded
also, the beat saber stutter is apparently a bug rather than a performance issue
although i believe better components do help just dont eliminate it
so my 6600k is like, 30 seconds: stutter
7700 is like 10 mins: stutter
true pebble
I do think there's some wisdom in going 8 cores because games are optimized for the 8 cores in consoles, but I have yet to see a large difference on paper. anyone that reviewed the 3700x said go 3600 for gaming unless you're a heavy multitasker.
whcih, considering I have chrome open all the time and iCUE running in the background, might be warranted.
willow crypt
its very rare that most people will be only gaming tho
youll probably have music, discord, yt maybe
true pebble
chrome, speedfan, EVGA's OC software, discord...
true pebble
right. also they test these CPUs on fresh Windows installs
I love the testing that shows what it's like on a PC with a few years of garbage in the OS
sullen linden
Hi hyun here with te leage a legends
twilit sage
Are you having a stroke
shadow wraith
How is VR nowadays?
gleaming grove
Good 🙂
haughty thistle
Very Good
gentle coral
Getting better every few month. We are starting to enter the late 90's in terms of VR game releases. Soon we might get one AAA VR game a month that has more then 8 hours of content, and 2 popular VR indie games per month.
Also hardware will finally become accessible to the general consumer in the next three years.
young marten
sullen linden
Don't forget boneworks
sullen linden
do you need to buy songs for beat saber
haughty thistle
No. You do hav a bunch of songs already included with the game, and there are tons of custom songs out there which are all free and most of them now work without mods as well
sullen linden
anyone wanna buy me beat saber?
haughty thistle
It's a 30$ game. So where's the problem in buying it yourself?
willow crypt
or just have a freind who rarely uses it just lend it to you on steam library sharing
abstract grove
anyone have a list of gpu benchmarks for vr (building a second portable vr rig for a vive)
willow crypt
run vr on it, benchmarked
abstract grove
....
I don't have the gpus on hand for that otherwise I would've done that and posted it
sullen linden
bruh chek my rad gamer skilz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkaDtdGMaNg
ill stick with VRchat untill i get enough money
willow crypt
well, it depends on your headset so there isnt really a simple way to do it
abstract grove
I did say a vive, not a vive pro
sullen linden
dont you hate it when people say HTC vibe
unironically
like they actually think thats what its called
abstract grove
htc make vibrators?
and they aren't technically wrong... It's the equivalent of full-naming a person
twilit sage
vibe check
sullen linden
htc vibe check TM
sullen linden
I find it more annoying when people say vive index
willow crypt
i say vive instead of rift far too often
young marten
rift index
rich kraken
htc mixed index
young marten
void grove
HTC Rift Index Odyssey
gentle coral
cardboard glass blade gear go
PSVR varjo xtal Pico index vive
pimax odyssey quest daqri cosmos daydream
hololense reverb rift explorer visor
8k VR mixed reality S + pro 1
Soon someone will be able to make a rap only using XR headset as words.
And that doesn't even include the old 80s and 90s headsets.
void grove
🤔
haughty thistle
Using VR without some sort of on-the-head audio? Blasphemy!
green seal
Wtf are those lights
haughty thistle
WMR controllers?
young marten
playing without the safety straps makes me cringe
void grove
I dropped a touch controller during the Microsoft store demo for the rift s. 
the straps are actually important.
I was playing beat saber
haughty thistle
I'm pretty sure OP meant something different, but I like how we collectively are ignoring that and are complaining about other things xD
void grove
I can't even watch the video rn.
sullen linden
WMR is underrated
haughty thistle
WMR was great to show what is possible with good software in terms of Inside-Out, bit it also showed that for good Inside-out you need more than 2 cameras
Oculus did M$ homework and delivered an Inside-Out tracking system like WMR, just with a greater FOV for the controller tracking. And HTC just took all the ideas from WMR and threw them out the window
young marten
I bet someone wanted to push color pass through without knowing how it would make tracking worse at htc
Idk what they were thinking though tbh
sullen linden
i rarely even notice my controllers loosing trackiung
haughty thistle
What kind of games are you playing tho?
The tracking issues on the Cosmos is most noticable in shooters, where you put both of your hand behind each other and in games where you put your controller behind your back. As the controllers have to be almost entirely within your view unobstructed and when they loose tracking and come back into view, it generally takes about 2 seconds to regain tracking on the controller. It's ridiculous, considering that WMR takes only about .3s to regain and Oculus about .1s in worst case scenarios. I can't say any numbers, but you can obstruct the Oculus and WMR controller way more too, before they loose tracking. Yes, the tracking Ring on the WMR controllers is significantly bigger, but the same just opposite is true for the Oculus controllers with their ridiculously tiny tracking ring
willow rain
does anyone know how to get lone echo working with revive
worked fine until i got the new update
now it shows a hardware error thing on my tv screen
while in the headset im still in the main menu only problem is that clinking on stuff does nothing
sullen linden
hey ive been debating on whether or not i should get Boneworks. I have a Rift S and have been playing V for a year or two by now. What are your suggestions?
Boneworks is hands down the best vr game I have ever played. And since you've been playing vr for a year you should be plenty used to it to play boneworks comfortably. @sullen linden
vestal panther
i loved boneworks and highly recommend it
spring mantle
Shall i get a rift s for hl alyx
I want a quest because i can take it about
But there is bitcrunching when on pc
bc its usb c
and not dp
haughty thistle
Honestly either is fine. The Rift S is the better VR headset in terms of image sharpness, FOV, Comfort, Godrays (pretty much non-existent on the Rift S, still noticeable on the Quest), and as you said: Performance. Quest Link however doesn't take up a lot of performance, since it's using the HW image encoder on the GPU to encode the image
haughty thistle
I'd say go for the Rift S if you can use it. I'd advise against the Rift S if your IPD is not between 60 and 68mm
sullen linden
60.5 mm gang gang
haughty thistle
I feel like I'm a rare case of larger than usual IPD with my pretty much exact 67...
quiet saffron
What's the average IPD?
haughty thistle
Somewhere inbetween 63.5 and 64mm. But it's closer to 64 than it is to 63.5 afaik
gentle coral
There is a table with the ipd
Male ipd mean is 64
Female ipd mean is 61.7
This is why good headsets need at least 58 to 68 ipd adjustment (software or hardware, with software being less useful as most current lenses always have a sweet spot and no matter what software you use it will not fill that gap as you are mainly changing the sweet spot of the screen rather then the lenses.
I am lucky I have a 65 mm ipd
haughty thistle
Standard deviation of 3.4 for males, so I'm right at the outer edge of more standard IPDs
willow crypt
but vr headsets dont have distance for individual lenses yet
but thats due to one single screen
not 2 micro displays
1280x960 oled micro displays...
fancy they are, good colours are
gentle coral
Most headsets now no longer have single displays, most are canted 2.4 to three inch displays.
Index uses these displays
https://www.smart-prototyping.com/Display-for-Project-North-Star-3_5inch-1440x1600-pixels
gentle coral
Yep, I'm the one who predicted those exact sony displays would be used.
willow crypt
theyre popping up all over the place
with the circular optics
is a little weird going from rectangular optics
gentle coral
Those are the sonys
ECX337A screens
They will start using the
ECX339A in the next year if sony can ramp up production and drop the price
ECX 339A specs
1600 by 1200
Hdr
240 hz
.5 inch
willow crypt
well i mean, i dont really want to shell out that amount of money every year
what refresh rate is the 337a?
if its also 240hz then that is very good for some future tech
a 120hz
gentle coral
I think it was 120
gentle coral
I think these need a better display drive to run continuously at their upper limit.
These were orginally made for sonys mirrorless camera lineup as the viewfinder display.
If you go to a best buy and look in any new a series camera it will be using one either the ECX 337A, 339A, 335B (might only be in their video series as I think they were slower refresh.)
The sub and mini LVDS interface they use has a strict upper bandwidth limit currently in their inhouse display boards.
I haven't contacted sony in a while so some of this info might have changed.
gentle coral
The most recent displays I've played with are the index ones since index was copied from the project northstar headset that leap motion developed.
If properly optimized the current index could actually run from any high speed type c phone for basic media (in a 3dof mode). Their display drivers are really efficient and quite customizable if they didn't add any security chips from the northstar version.
willow crypt
yeah for fpv usage there is almost no overhead, just play a simple live video stream
coming from a av in
rich kraken
Ever just
If I had money for wireless I could pile onto the charging.
I think my controllers are at half but I rather charge them instead of later, or have to cut a session short to charge them.
whole fossil
would be cool if you could use the pogo pins for charging it so you could have a dock to rest them on
rich kraken
I wish I knew how to code tbh, I'd like to write a program to add a 3d model to the tracker and strap it to my cat and dog so I know where they are when I'm playing beat saber or something.
There also something I wanted to do that required the use of the pogo pins but I forget what it was.
sullen linden
Do you ever just whack
whole fossil
well I was planing on making something like that for fun to test out my vive trackers, the only issue is you would need to recharge the tracker
sullen linden
@rich kraken Yes
haughty thistle
@sullen linden You too?
sullen linden
Yup
young marten
abstract grove
If I had more of an income...
cloud pier
For pogo pins, you could just get magnetic connectors like the Net Dot Gen3 cables for phone charging.
And just 3d print some base where the controller would slide in.
Those
rich kraken
I bought my trackers second hand that's why only 1 is 2.0
I bought a used 1.0 one on Amazon and they sent me a brand new 2.0 for some reason
I think it was a return.
cloud pier
Oeuf
rich kraken
Since 2.0 devices work with 1.0 base stations it doesn't matter.
Even tho I don't plan on upgrading it just means if I ever do I don't have to buy 3 new trackers.
peak ledge
Having a VR issue, figured I'd drop it here. Everytime I hit the menu button to load a new game, my system freaks out and can't find my headset for a minute or so. The screen goes grey and I can't do anything. Says the base stations can't find it. It's an HTC Vive running on i7 4770K + RX480.
green crypt
games on hdd or an ssd?
peak ledge
SSD
it's not when the game loads, but when I want to get to the steam menu in VR
It kinda crashes for a bit
green crypt
no idea then weird glitch probably
peak ledge
Gee thanks :P
haughty thistle
Have you tried reinstalling the SteamVR USB-drivers?
peak ledge
I have not, haven't done anything yet since I work daily and didn't want to mess with things till I got opinions/suggestions
Where would I uninstall the USB drivers specifically?
haughty thistle
In the SteamVR desktop window, open the menu, hover over "Developer" and then open the Developer Settings. in that window scroll down until you see "Remove all SteamVR-USB-Devices". After responding to the pop-up with yes, you're going to have to wait a bit and then reboot your PC when SteamVR tells you to. Then try again and see if the issue persists
peak ledge
Gotcha, I'll let you know if it works
gentle coral
Steamvr often has bugs so it is a good idea to uninstall and reinstall steamvr. I do it once a month on a heavy use vr machine. But your issue should probably be fixed with just the usb device reset.
haughty thistle
I never had any SteamVR issue that could not be fixed by reinstalling the USB drivers lol
Except for one issue that was actually a bug in that version of SteamVR
peak ledge
Here's hoping!
gentle coral
Most regular issues can be fixed with that, but considering the type of vr that gets run on the machine I take care of (mostly alpha and beta versions of games, as well as special versions of steamvr to run those games). It is faster for me to uninstall and reinstall then to go through the few steps I could take to properly figure out the issue.
sullen linden
when i close my eyes i still see beatsaber
queen ether
yo folks, how ya doing?
i have a bit of a problem with my vr here, it's driving me nuts
heres the thing..
i play 6 hours straight fine, if i play 20min, rest it on the table, take a pee, comme back, the game its fucking gone, it closed, i lost so many times on skyrim just the freaking start that i have got to download alternative start cause i was mad at that same fuck scene all over again for the 10th time
has anyone experienced anything like that?
sullen linden
Oh my
Skyrim vr makes me sick
Its just the graphics and effects and everything
I get good fps though
supple void
queen ether
I can play a lot, without any problems..only when I put it down It closes....someyimes I think...cause I did a test and was waiting in front of it to close with some message... didn't close at all....lol
I'm missing my SkVr tho...just 5mods till now
But I love Vr, I'm not going to 'waste' money on a decent monitor, only vr for now I love fos but I suck big time on it, so no point in doing that's
gentle coral
@queen ether almost all headsets have a setting for head detection. If a headset is taken off it will usually only stay on for a minute or so, then turn off to extend display life (especially oled VR headsets to prevent burnin. It depends on headset but usually you can change that setting in one of the options menus.
soft hound
Yeah, the Vive defaults to turning the displays off after 5 seconds of idle
It shouldn't close the software though, that's rather odd
queen ether
i see, yeah i though that too, to avoid burnin, but closing the game, lolz
thing is, it's mostly skyrimVR related....i it WAS without mods, now i have some...but it did happen right out of the box. Vanilla xperience was nice but..mods make it better ;d
gentle coral
Some mods might be constantly checking for vr display runtime and when that mod dosen't see something it will either crash or stop running which might then force skyrim vr to close.
Might want to check mod load order or find out which mods check for vr as a display instead of steamvr running.
Though these are guesses as I have not had that issue
void grove
void grove
I find it kind of interesting that you could almost use the touch controllers as a regular controller if it wasn't missing a dpad. 🤔
peak ledge
@haughty thistle So far it seems to work, no crashes when I open SteamVR menu! Thanks for the help!
haughty thistle
NP ^^
gentle coral
For anyone here interested in AR headsets (that can do VR as well). Ultraleap (leap motion part), project northstar headset just got steam vr beta support.
https://github.com/druidsbane/openvr-northstar/releases
And since it is inside out tracking, you can do large scale playspaces.
Next time I use my friends I'll let you people know how it is.
safe mason
Anyone remembers which headset linus ended up on a daily driver?
Think it's index but not sure
hexed notch
its index
gentle coral
Linus uses Index
sullen linden
I need to get some cable extensions for vr
These wont bottleneck my my Lenovo explorer right?
gentle coral
Nope, though just make sure what you use is usb 3.
I have been able to extend rift, vive, and WMR all with usb 3 and hdmi extensions. But anything more then 10 feet (which still fails every once in a while). And you will need powered extensions.
sullen linden
Alright thanks
gentle coral
To be safe I would recommend 6 foot extension at most for laptops due to power instability in most laptop usb controllers.
gentle coral
Yes
sullen linden
Ok good
gentle coral
Its 9.84 feet
gentle coral
Mine does, but I've heard many different stories from different people. As long as you buy from reputable brands, and get a good enough hdmi cable you should be ok. I use Amazon basics USB 3m extension, and a cable matters hdmi 2.0 cable, but I also run a lot of the headsets I take care of from a laptop.
AmazonBasics USB 3.0 Extension Cable - A-Male to A-Female Adapter Cord- 9.8 Feet (3.0 Meters) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NH12O5I/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_6bxkEb001FSR8
haughty thistle
I'd still recommend getting active extensions over any passive extension any day. I had different experiences with passive extensions. Some do work fine, but those are usually pretty heavily insulated and thus are pretty stiff. Others only work half the time. However with Active extensions I never had any issues. It's like plugging in the headset directly into the PC
Especially my WMR headset (Lenovo Explorer) was picky about cables. A 2m passive extension cord did not work at all. The max I could get to work was 1.5m
gentle coral
I agree active extensions are much better but can add cost. Though they have gone down in price.
gentle coral
Though finding good flexible hdmi cables is a bit harder, and using a hdmi splitter or powered hdmi extender can be an issue if you dont get a high end one that supports all the nessasary stuff. It took me a long time to find a good one.
fickle matrix
i just bought a dell visor for £200 was that a good deal heard decent reviews about it
haughty thistle
I mean if you got it brand new 👍
As a used headset, I'm not so sure tbh. I got the Lenovo Explorer on sale a year ago for 200€ brand new. (200£ is about 240€ according to Google)
fickle matrix
i was going to get the lenovo explorer but they were going for like £270 used
haughty thistle
Afaik there really isn't any difference between the Lenovo Explorer and the Dell Visor. The differences are limited to the color and the packaging
fickle matrix
i know thats why i went for the dell visor
i was looking at the samsung odyssey+ but that was way out of my price range
haughty thistle
Yeah. I would only suggest going for the Odyssey+ if the higher price compared to the Rift S is worth it for you or it's cheaper than the Rift S. In general the Rift S is the better headset, but the Samsung one has OLED panels, Physical IPD adjustment and way better build-in audio
fickle matrix
i was going to go for the normal rift but then i realised that you have to get tracker things too and its just more hassle than its worth im really only looking to play some VRchat and half life
haughty thistle
With the Original Rift, yes you do have to place those Cameras in the Room and the cables are a mess. I think that SteamVR tracking is still the best VR tracking system in existence however. Only place the two lighthouses in your room, plug them in to power and your good to go. But since they stopped making the OG Vive, cost of entry has significantly risen (Vive ~600€ at the end, Vive Pro 999€, Index 1080€)
fickle matrix
i was looking at the certified used original vive on their website for $350 but i think its only for america
i actually just realised this but i think my room might be too small
its 2m by 3m and half of it is taken up by my bed/desk thing
so i have no room to move
haughty thistle
As far as SteamVR is concerned, a free space of 2m x 1.5m is enough to play Room scale, Oculus on the other hand wants at least a playspace of 2m x 2m. But a good rule of thumb to check if you have enough space for VR is if you can stretch out your arms and rotate around without going over any furniture or hitting anything, you have enough space to play VR
fickle matrix
might have to move a couple things round the main problem for me is i have a bunk bed type thing that i might bump my head into
haughty thistle
I had to restructure my room a bit as well. And from what I heard from others, it's a common thing for people who just got VR for the first time
sullen linden
The new TWD vr game seems pretty good judging from the little amount I've played so far
sullen linden
Best vr game i have played by far
sullen linden
Best one for me is still boneworks
void grove
lol 
sullen linden
Lmfao
wispy wing
Normal songs in Beat Saber feels like the first Superhot level for me
Slow and too simple
Except for the troll levels like Holding On where the normal level is actually Expert+
night gale
so right now which one of the 2 is better in general
oculus rift s
or
oculus quest
void grove
Depends on what you're after, because they're fairly different.
haughty thistle
The Rift S is the better PCVR headset, but the Quest can be used without a PC too.
Basically, if you want to play only, or mostly, PC VR titles the Rift S is generally the better choice. UNLESS your IPD is very far off from what the Rift S has as it only has a fixed IPD of 64mm. Headset manufacturers say that IPDs between 58 an 70 can use fixed IPD headsets, but I beg to differ from my own experience. I have an IPD of 67 (so only about 3mm off) and I would say I'm comfortably at the outer edge of IPDs that should be supported by these headsets
I'd say if your IPD is about 4mm off, you're fine. Any more than that you can try, but I'd recommend to getting a headset with physical IPD adjustment
abstract grove
Imma bout to do something stupid, run H3 off of a pentium g4400 and an rx 480 8gb
wish me luck
abstract grove
so far so good.....
haughty thistle
I mean, I once ran Beat Saber on an i5 4460 & GTX 750 Ti. I had to put the settings all the way down to lowest and ran it on a WMR headset. It barely ran at all, but it ran!
vestal panther
gonna stream boneworks playthrough in games
fleet violet
Is a 5700 XT good for vr? It would be paired with an ryzen 5 2600
hexed notch
2600 is a bit on the low end for a 5700xt
do attempt to upgrade cpu relatively soon after you grab the new gpu
haughty thistle
The 5700 XT is a good VR card, but as Carmonben said, the CPU is a bit low-spec for the GPU. We all know that GPU performance is the most important thing for VR, but the CPU still does a lot of things and there are games which have straight-up similar CPU to GPU load ratios to normal flat-screen games like VRChat
latent tendon
Hey guys I’m looking into some vr gaming, I have a gaming laptop that fits in between the recommended and minimum specs for oculus rift 2, how well do you think it would run? (This is my laptop https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/dell-g3-15-3590-15-6-gaming-laptop-i5)
Also plz tag me so ik someone has said smthn
wispy wing
@latent tendon it should be alright but some games like The Climb might struggle. Beat Saber should run on a calculator and Bonework wants a good CPU
I really don't know if the i5 will handle Boneworks smoothly
My R7 1700 struggles with it
haughty thistle
Another thing to consider is that your Laptop does not have any sort of DP out. You might get Lucky with a very expensive HDMI to DP adapter, but generally I'd recommend sticking to a headset that would work with your device out of the box, like the Oculus Quest with Link (which does not work with your GPU sadly), a WMR headset or the older generation Rift CV1 or OG HTC Vive (the latter two from the used marked)
haughty thistle
Rift S any day. The Lenovo Explorer is good, but I think it's only worth it, if the price is at least 100$/€ less than the Rift S
But, if you have glasses, you shouldn't get the Lenovo Explorer as it's the least glasses friendly headset I've tried
haughty thistle
Well that's what I thought with mine too, until they collected scratches
abstract grove
Verdict on the pentium g4400: playable and stable, Superhot VR was a little choppy at times when you decided to speed run.
H3 would ask for more resources on on the friendly 45 range while using the minigun was moving around hitting stuff at different distances (pointed up there wasn't any other stuttering to care about.)
misc specs are rx 480 8gb, 1x16gb ram at 2133mhz
pallid ore
Anyone here gone through with support cases for Varjo VR-2?
I've been thinking of buying one, but had some issues finding peoples past experiences how they solved issues with the support. 6000 euro is too much to just have go down the drain
gentle coral
I'll ask a friend who reviewed the headset if they talked about support
pallid ore
thank you very much
peak ledge
@haughty thistle So I uninstalled and reinstalled the Drivers and it worked for a bit, but it's doing it again. Every menu press just gray screens my headset and it says 'Make sure your headset can be seen'
gentle coral
@pallid ore
Just talked to my fellow reviewer he did not know about the support side of the headset but said the only headset comparison was the star vr headset, which I've also tried. That means the experience is really amazing and has very good eye tracking.
To quote him
"well its design of a retina display inside an average display is kind of unique. Its high resolution experience definitely goes far outside what Oculus Vive and Index are shipping. Better than Pimax I think, ten we have StarVR which could rival it because I believe StarVR has eye tracking foveated rendering that isn't stuck in the center of the screen. Then there is xtal which is at least on par with Pimax but not doing foveated rendering, and so I think this could be StarVR vs Varjo."
I haven't reviewed the varjo headset yet so I am unsure about the quality of support. I'll make sure to bring it up when I try it.
sullen linden
Why is oculus rift s 80hz while rift is 90? That's pretty dumb
vestal panther
^ reason I still run OG rift
hexed notch
s is much higher res
haughty thistle
Higher Resolutions get harder to render and thus the framerate will drop. Oculus knew this and tried to help the customer by reducing the refreshrate of the headset. IRL you won't notice the difference unless you switch between them side-by-side like you can on the Index
pallid ore
@gentle coral Thank you very much. I had actually missed the StarVR, I heard of it but forgot about it. It's much cheaper, 3k isnt that much to lose so feels much better to buy 
hushed void
#virtual-reality Can anyone recommend any VR headsets? I am looking for a VR headset for game, something that's not over $1000, and is compatible with SteamVR. Thank You😁
haughty thistle
$1000 is a big budget for VR and includes a ton of headsets, but since you are a VR beginner I would not recommend you go spending tons of money on a VR headset. Start it out with something that is relatively cheap, but involves as little Risk as possible.
So depending on your region that's either just the Oculus offering or also includes the Samsung Odyssey+.
With the Oculus Offering it's easy: Since you want to mainly play PCVR get the Rift S, UNLESS your IPD is too far off. The Rift S has a fixed IPD and if yours is to big or small it can make the experience less than ideal. According to Oculus everything in between 58mm and 70mm is supported, but imho it should be more like 60-68. If your IPD does not fall in this range, get the Oculus Quest with a Link cable. It's a bit more expensive and the Visual Quality isn't as good, but the Quest has at least a physical IPD adjustment.
With the Samsung Odyssey+ you get a bit more choice. The Samsung one doesn't have as good tracking, but it basically has the same panels as the Quest. Since it's a native headset, the visual quality is a lot better. The Samsung Headset also has physical IPD Adjustment. But I've heard of reports that Samsungs Anti-SDE layer on the panels can make the image look slightly blurry.
faint dagger
Oh hey, a VR Channel. I own a HTC Vive, is it worth upgrading it yet? The quality on the Vive obviously leaves a little to be desired.
Tried to play elite dangerous on it and the text was so bad 😦
hushed void
@haughty thistle Thank you for your recommendation it is much appreciated, i live in NA Ontario, and i have an IPD of 63 so i think i should get the Oculus Rift S then.
haughty thistle
@faint dagger, depends on how much you're willing to spend for an upgrade and how much expect to get out of that money. If you're fine with the Vive wands, and are only looking for a replacement of the head unit, the Index is the perfect choice. And I can safely say, the ED experience with it is perfect. However the Index head unit alone costs 540€ and is currently not in stock. Other headsets like the Rift S exists, but I honestly wouldn't see them as an upgrade of the Vive personally
faint dagger
I see, do the other wands provide some sort of significant upgrade? I have been very impressed with the tracking on the vive wands, I mean the ridiculous stuff you can do on beat saber kinda shows they work well
haughty thistle
The Index controller aren't as good for Beat Saber as the Index controllers, but for other games that do support the advanced Index features, it's just amazing. The Immersion you get is definitely worth it's 300€ pricetag if you ask me, but then again, the experience is hit-and-miss with games that don't support the Index controllers yet.
faint dagger
I see, interesting
hushed void
Can you connect different controllers to different headsets? that is if your connecting them throw Bluetooth?
faint dagger
funny enough my friend that owns a rift says that the rift controllers are actually best for beat saber, purely down to weight
but then he is doing the ridiculously hard stuff
hushed void
lol
haughty thistle
Yeah, I can understand him. I own a Quest and the controllers are crazy light-weight compare to my Index controllers xD
faint dagger
I'm like yay, I can do K/DA on expert+, I am good at game, he's all "Hold my beer while I do overkill at 200% speed" 😦
haughty thistle
I don't know about how the Oculus Controllers connect, but what I do know is that the SteamVR tracked devices, like the Vive wands, Index controllers and Vive pucks connect through a proprietary 2.4GHz wireless. So using them requires little dongles of which two are build into any SteamVR tracked headset like the Index or Vive. In general, connection is one thing, tracking is another. SteamVR Tracking is the one with the best compatibility allowing for infinite devices within a single lighthouse tracked area, but they need their lighthouses
WMR Controller connect through Bluetooth, but they need a WMR headset to be tracked
autumn tangle
probably bluetooth
gentle coral
@hushed void what type of computer do you have as that will also tell you how much budget you should put into the VR headset vs upgrading your computer.
I agree with @haughty thistle that if this is your first vr headset, it is better to start with a midrange headset like the rift s or odyssey +
Once you get used to vr you will know what you need moving forward.
The next level up is the Valve index at 1000 dollars US for the whole kit.
Also more then likely the next major generation of VR headsets will be fall 2021 or spring 2022. So if you are fine with a three year upgrade cycle then the mid teir headsets will be the best value.
hushed void
@gentle coral @haughty thistle No i am not really a new user to VR, i have try VR before when my friend upgraded his VR headset and gave me he's acer windows mixed reality headset until it over heated and broke 2 months in.
My PC has an i5-4690k @ 3.70GHz CPU, and an GeForce GTX 1080. i have tested my pc if it is was VR compatible, and it is.
Oh and also 16GB of ram
@gentle coral @haughty thistle thank you for your help
hexed notch
thats a bit light on the cpu side for some of the bigger vr games
hushed void
@hexed notch Bit light on the cpu? What Do you mean?
hushed void
@hexed notch My CPU is 6 years old (2014), and it run great. I mean i have 4 screen running at 6,459,040 pixels at once very day for at lest 4years now. Games run great, amazing acuity, on my medal screen almost every game runs at 120Hz with out lag ever
hexed notch
vr is a different can of worms
hushed void
Even when i play VR on the Windows Mixed Realty Headset on full setting i would only get lag when there was a lot of things going on.
hexed notch
in boneworks?
hushed void
Setup right now
@hexed notch No i haven't played that game yet, didn't even buy it yet. Was planning to play it was waiting for it to come out, but then my WMR broke witch lead me asking people for recommendation for VR here.
and people are very helpful
hexed notch
if you just want a recommendation, get the best you can afford between odyssey, s, index
but id recommend upgrading cpu first
hushed void
@hexed notch i wish i could, but it costs too much to upgrade my CPU, all i can mange $1000 and that was set aside for a new VR setup because i really liked playing VR. If i upgrade my CPU then i will need to put in a new motherboard, RAM, and get myself a new case, witch to replace this system and get something better i would need to spend at lest 2k-3k, because my system is custom and make to last under a 10 year warranty, and so far it has not let me down.
hexed notch
cad or usd?
hushed void
Canadian
hushed void
yes if i am going to upgrade i will upgrade fully
hexed notch
🤨
hexed notch
ok if its broken
hushed void
ya it is a bit, the two fans that the front panel was holding broke off and i had to zip tie them to the front
😄
hexed notch
yea nope i specced out a mobo ram cpu upgrade and you cant get both that and a rift s under a grand cad
actually
if you stick with 16gb of ram you can get it to fit
and youd have $90 left over for a case
and i see a few good cases under $90
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/brKpmg
here would be the motherboard ram and cpu id recommend
anyways good luck and good night
hushed void
@hexed notch i appreciate you helping me with the pc upgrades but i think i will not be upgrading my pc anytime soon, or at least until the warranty ends on July 2024, that is if the pc don't kill its self, lol
hexed notch
I mean if the PC kills itself just get it replaced under warranty
Anyways if the Asus wmr headset ran a rift s should run just fine as well
hushed void
@hexed notch Funny story about the Rift S today, i actually went out to all the best buy stores that had it after work at 12, and all the store where all out of stock in all 5 Stores, and funny thing was that they all told me the something "that it was sold out in the morning".
hexed notch
Bad luck
round sail
@hushed void you forgot the maple syrup
peak ledge
My living room desktop is a i7 4770 w/ an RX480 and it runs all of my titles fine. Pavlov, Beat Saber, VRChat, etc
gentle coral
It's when you want AAA game level realism that you need a big CPU and a big GPU. Unity, oculus, and valve all recommend developers optimize for large core count CPU. A major example is that for specialized audio you want at least 1 full true core and at least 10% of the processing budget.
Also unity and unreal are both undergoing major optimization for high core count.
Though this also means that games will run even better even on older 4 core hardware.
But games like boneworks, HLA, skyrim VR, Fallout 4 VR, most driving Simulator style games, and any high frame rate games will really want more cores to balance the load,
hushed void
@round sail Not at this time of the year, maybe in the summer.
For controls I fin it better to get rechargeable batteries with the battery charger for them. So that you don’t waste money on buying new battery’s every time you run out.
haughty thistle
I think both have their ups and downs. The benefit of a AA solution is that you can "recharge" the controller almost instantly, but on the other hand, getting a proper percentage readout is almost impossible with how many different battery formulations are out there, with lithium induced Alkaline, normal Alkaline, NiMH, Zinc Carbon, etc.
round sail
honestly I much prefer controllers with a built in rechargable battery
gentle coral
I think swappable 18650s would make the most sense
sullen linden
I wish I could just swap the batteries in my index controllers like you can with oculus controllers. It's always a pain to wait around until your controllers have charged.
haughty thistle
@gentle coral, yes that would be nice, but also 18650s aren't as consumer friendly as something like a AA battery, so no one will do it sadly 😦
hushed void
I would also like the VR controls to have built in battery’s that can be recharged, but then you would have to stop playing and recharge your controls in long gaming seasons and wait for them to recharge.
I think they should make special battery packs that are swappable and last at list 1 to 2 hours. Like in those old phones where you can swap the battery. What do you guy and galz think?
haughty thistle
But those are again specialized batteries that you can only use in one device and you have wasted space due to the additional plastic layer just like with AA batteries. I just think than, no matter which approach, we will always have to make compromises...
autumn tangle
i charge when i'm done
haughty thistle
^
hexed notch
I forgot to charge my controller so I stuck a battery pack in my pocket and wrapped the cable around my arm up to the controller
Worked just fine
hushed void
Don’t sound very comfortable
hexed notch
🤷♂️
sullen linden
Even though the index controllers have 8 hour battery life I'm always running out of battery
It's even worse with FBT
Seriously considering buying the straps that come with built in powerbanks
hushed void
Anyone have any stream VR recommendations?
hexed notch
Liike games??
gentle coral
@haughty thistle 18650s are extremely common (at least in cities. They are the most common battery type in the world at this point over 10 billion produced per year, AA batteries are getting less and less common. 18650s can also be found for a similar price to AA if you know where to look. But there are volatility issues, especially compared to lithium polymer (which index and vive use. But they have a much smaller charge density, but can also be made in better shapes. Though there is new lithium polymer stuff on it's way that might be quite a bit better. Until then rechargeable AA batteries will be a good option.
gentle coral
Not sure who here saw this yet, but this is somewhat interesting.
https://uploadvr.com/samsung-odyssey-2020-china-design/
Issue is this is a design patent and it's already a year old. Though they might have been waiting tell the oculus headsets came out and a unique release time presented itself. Though I would be very surprised if this headset is actually on track to get launched any time soon, due to the lack of talk about it. Though there has been a large hole in terms of WMR headset news recently.
Though some of the original sources renders look nicer then the ones upload featured
https://www.91mobiles.com/hub/samsung-next-oddessy-headset-design-patent-cnipa/
void grove
Looks like a fly mask
haughty thistle
Looks like a fly head to me xD
haughty thistle
^
gentle coral
Rift s needs a computer so it is not all in one (so quest). If you are talking about all in one tracking (inside out style), then that changes it to depend on games you want to play and your computer
gentle coral
Interesting News
https://www.roadtovr.com/lynx-r1-ar-vr-headset-tease-reveal/amp/
young marten
haughty thistle
I'ma just Copy&Paste my answer from a few days ago when someone with a 1000$ budget asked for help selecting a VR Headset:
Depending on your region that's either just the Oculus offering or also includes the Samsung Odyssey+.
With the Oculus Offering it's easy: Since you want to mainly play PCVR get the Rift S, UNLESS your IPD is too far off. The Rift S has a fixed IPD and if yours is to big or small it can make the experience less than ideal. According to Oculus everything in between 58mm and 70mm is supported, but imho it should be more like 60-68. If your IPD does not fall in this range, get the Oculus Quest with a Link cable. It's a bit more expensive and the Visual Quality isn't as good, but the Quest has at least a physical IPD adjustment.
With the Samsung Odyssey+ you get a bit more choice. The Samsung one doesn't have as good tracking, but it basically has the same panels as the Quest. Since it's a native headset, the visual quality is a lot better. The Samsung Headset also has physical IPD Adjustment. But I've heard of reports that Samsungs Anti-SDE layer on the panels can make the image look slightly blurry.
In general, it's those 3 inside-out tracked headsets I'd recommend. I have tried both Oculus headsets, and their Tracking is noticeably better than what WMR (Samsung Odyssey+ in this case) offers
You might also want to consider the Quest over both the Rift S and Samsung Odyssey, if you are seeking for a headset you can just take with you and set it up within minutes to demonstrate it to friends and such, without having to take a Laptop with you
languid tundra
it basically has the same panels as the Quest
No. The odyssey+ displays are completely different. They are the same resolution, and are both OLED, but that's where the similarities end. The O+ has only two subpixels (superior) while the Quest has three. The O+ has an anti-SDE filter that eliminates screen door effect at the cost of slightly blurring the image. The O+ is also 90Hz vs the Quest's 72.
haughty thistle
Yeah, but they are both using an OLED panel with a PenTile matrix, aka 2 subpixel per pixel. And 2 subpixels per pixel is not superior over 3. it's the other way around, you want an RGB-Strip subpixel arrangement with 3 subpixel per pixel
hey might not be the exact same panel, but in terms of color/pixel denisty/physical SDE, they are essentially the same. And I did mention Samsungs Anti-SDE layer which could be beneficial or a negative depending on your perception of it
sullen linden
Seems like I may need to RMA my index controllers. The left joystick has now started to drift and it has never clicked when pressed forward ever since I got it.
young marten
oof
languid tundra
@haughty thistle the quest uses three subpixels, but the subpixels are dots, not lines. This is inferior to the two subpixel dots of the O+. RGB lines is superior to both, though.
gentle coral
@tired oasis. Having tried many versions of wearable PC, I can say it is s great idea, but everything other then the HP Z VR backpack has been quite flawed. Though the HP one is only slightly better.
I'm currently designing one that uses off the shelf computer parts (first a prototype with slightly modified parts), then go down the custom cooling route, then check how much of a mini itx board I can shave off, same with gpu.
Other then battery it should be no more then 2.5 kilos (fiveish pounds). If there is intrest I'll probably end up commissioning custom parts from gigabyte and a few other places.
tired oasis
That's cool. I actually like the idea of building your own vr backpack pc rather than buying it.
spring mantle
Ok I'll go for a rift s
Tysm
I don't mind Hz
I have tried the quest and it's fine at 72hz I just want good colour
So the link cabel can't do that very well
I wish it had dp on it
But it does not
So a rift s it is
haughty thistle
@languid tundra, if that is true, then tell my why I can still see the PenTile typical color-bleed (orange on one side and cyan on the other) going from top to bottom. This Color bleed would only happen on a 2 Subpixel per pixel basis afaik
pastel hedge
Hey! This is really a long shot, but do any of you know where how I could get an Index while traveling to the USA? I am here for a mouth and hopeful the it comes back in stock... But my problem is that Valve is the worst company for this because I need a USA billing address to buy it on the American store (I am from Brazil, where the Index isnt available, and if was taxes would make it literally unpurchasable... Fun fact, when the PS4 came to Brazil it costed around 1000 dollars), does anyone know a solution? Paying by proxy? Maybe a retail site you know that doesnt mark up the price too much?
haughty thistle
There are companies situated in the US who buy things for you from US stores and then ship it to you. I'm not talking about those who act more like a retail store. I'm talking about those which you contact with like a product link to the store and stuff. Since the Steam Store is such a niche store, not an aweful lot offer purchases from Steam, but I've heard of some who were able to get the Index through one of those "proxy companies" before it was available officially in Canada
pastel hedge
Oh, I didnt know there were companies that offered that service
haughty thistle
I just searched the term and these are a few that came up:
https://www.myus.com/
http://www.borderlinx.com/
https://www.usgobuy.com/
https://planetexpress.com/
Please do note, that I have no idea on how well these services work, as I've never had the need to use one of them. Basically all of these work, by you registering and they give you a real US address, with which you can register on any US online retailer. The package gets send to their warehouse and they will then ship it to your address.
pastel hedge
I will have a look, although I think with the situation with the Index where when it comes back in stock it will probably quickly run out again, idk if the these proxy comapanies would be able to buy iy
Oh wow, Thanks man! 😅 ✊🏻
haughty thistle
Np dude ^^
I've heard of these companies a while ago and thought it's a really interesting niche that these even exist
green crypt
Just check if you need to pay before ordering or after i would say after is better as then your money isn't stuck if it runs out of stock just as you want to order it
gentle coral
I have used proxy shipping, and forwarding systems like those many times (only have experience with Japanese, chinese and European ones). But if you do your research correctly you should find a reputable one.
Here is my experience with a Japanese one called Tenso. ( I only have used their forwarding services so far and not there proxy buy service.)
You sign up, they give you a Japanese address (inside a warehouse). They have guides on how to fill stuff in to different japanese websites. You create an account for those websites and buy what you want, and when it asks for address you put the address the proxy company gave you. Then the items will be shipped to that warehouse, and the forwarding company will notify you that your item is at the warehouse and ask you where you want it shipped to in your country. I'm not sure how good the prices are USA to Brazil, but Japan to USA was typically the same as buying a product once it was available in the USA.
I'm not sure how the listed companies work (some might do what TENSO does, and others might be actually contacting a USA based person to get it for you (proxy buying).
You can also see if a US friend is able to send you one. This is how I get custom Chinese electronics (I have manufacturing friends in china).
I often use these services to get games, music, electronics and clothes that are not available in the USA.
I might actually get a few Chinese VR headsets at some point that are not available in the USA.
These companies are typically actually extremely large since they are in essence middle men between economy's. They fill massive gaps that Amazon and similar companies have. Also they are typically subsidiaries of larger goods and services companies or are contacted to them.
(Example is that Tenso is one of the major shipping contractors for Rakuten ("the Japanese amazon")).
hexed notch
dont get those Chinese headsets till Corona dies down
gentle coral
I should probably check on my friends in china. Though I already know that the virus has closed down most Chinese pcb manufacturers full stop, as well as a number of Taiwan and Korean ones. And they will probably be closed well after lunar new years ends.
This will delay a good Chunk of electronic hardware (q1 or q2 of most electronic companies will be hit extremely hard for any low stock item).
I would not be surprised if pre order VR headsets are delayed by a month or so. It would be more suprising if nothing changes.
hexed notch
according to strange parts they are extending the spring festival several weeks, and conventions are canceled till summer
proven tundra
Hello, which one of a vr headset is the best for playing beat saber?
haughty thistle
In terms of controllers it's the Oculus Headsets, in terms of the displays it's the Valve Index
haughty thistle
The reason I'd say Oculus Controllers is because of their weight. Lighter controllers can be swung around faster than heavier controllers
autumn tangle
but the vive wands are light
compared to like
wmr
you want light
indecks controller.
haughty thistle
The Vive wands are pretty heavy compared to the Index Controllers and the Index Controllers are noticeably heavier than the Oculus Touch controllers (although not as much of a difference than Vive vs Index)
proven tundra
so oculus is better ?
is the new rift s is good enough for starter ?
haughty thistle
The Rift S is imo one of the best Headsets for beginners, who have not yet tried VR. The Quest is the alternative for people who need physical IPD adjustment or the portability and the Samsung Odyssey is one that I can't decide on whether I should recommend it or not xD
sullen linden
as a vive user i can say the same C: although some people prefer the vive wands for some reason... although I would love to use the oculus/index's ones
more on preference i'd say
but yeah the rift s would win for a beginner, or a quest if u dont have a powerful enough pc
hexed notch
The original oculus wands were nice cause you could hold them however you like
And I found that holding them with the saber pointing almost straight out allowed me to swing faster than normal
The index makes you hold them like sabers which makes me swing harder
However I perform much better with the index controllers simply due to the clarity being so much better (on the headset)
formal timber
Anyone here have issues with the oculus rift s, We're having issues with the games dropping to like 10 fps after about an hour or so of gameplay, Specs of the VR system i7-9700, RTX 2070 super, 16gb ddr4 ram, 700w PSU, 500gb crucial M.2 SSD, Gigabyte z390 UD Motherboard, bequiet Pure Rock CPU Cooler.
sullen linden
Best headset ever frl, I highly reccommend.
gentle coral
@formal timber, do a screen recording of task manager and see if anything changes after playing for a while. You might also want to check resource monitor. Considering the specs of your machine there should be no issue running vr games at the max hz of the headset.
If there is no noticeable change in running processes the it is probably a driver issue for rift s.
soft hound
Is there any specific games causing this?
tulip magnet
i love playing around in pavlov
wispy wing
@formal timber check your thermals too, it might be the CPU/GPU running too hot and throttling itself. I hope you're not running any kind of Intel stock coolers ?
@tulip magnet daaaamn
formal timber
Nah running a be quiet Pure Rock, Of which i believe should be more than enough @wispy wing
tomorrow i will check thermals, Its One of the pc's in my work rn so i gotta get it looked at
wispy wing
Indeed but nobody's safe from forgetting a screw on the cooler (happened to me once)
formal timber
lol yeah i get u
unreal stump
mah dad is getting some sort of vr ready pc with rtx 2060 just for oculus link :p
and yes i am old enough for discord if ur wondering
glacial abyss
imo I would opt for an oculus rift s instead of quest with link
obtuse fulcrum
It just took me 20 minutes to trouble shoot that my VR doesn't work without electricity. I'm smart.
prisma delta
bruh moment
sweet crag
A friend said u can use 4 Wii remotes to use full room tracking is this true (would be utilising it less)
Ir leds
young marten
the best thing about the headset
marble moon
is the valve index good for boneworks
gentle coral
Yes, especially since some boneworks features were designed for index controllers to feel extremely natural.
sullen linden
Index is the best option for boneworks
unreal stump
spring mantle
The index is best for HL alyx yes but I want to play HL alyx but
I don't have £1000
So what tobg5 that is not wmr
To get
autumn remnant
how do i fix 475 error steam vr
gentle coral
@spring mantle depends on your computer. But probably the rift S.
spring mantle
Future specs: 16gb ddr4 3200 Ryzen 5 3600 (OCd) and an Rx 5700
unreal stump
Well down under, we aren't allowed to buy a valve index :/
sullen linden
An American friend of mine bought an index for his friend in Australia and shipped it to him
spring mantle
Current specs i3 6006u Intel hd hd520 12gb ddr4 2133 or 2144 idk
It anit much but it's honest computing
unreal stump
anyone recommend some good headsets i could buy
haughty thistle
Depends on your budget, your current system and a bit on your region as well
autumn tangle
tbh
don't even talk about vr on linucks
gave me motion sickness
some kind of proton delay with motion smoothing
and also the dashboard wont work so that's a big problem
haughty thistle
Yeah, if you want to run VR, you should only run native code as latency is much more important than on Flat, and even those 20-50ms of translation latency can make VR unusable in many cases. So as of right now, SteamVR does support Mac and Linux, but honestly is more of a Demo rather than something you can actually use. like you said: No Dashboard, heavy lag in translated games, basically no native software available, etc.
autumn tangle
i think not even the lab is supported
beat saber was playable
but the motion stuff was trash
and settings literally din't work
haughty thistle
The only SteamVR game I know of that works on Mac for example is Blobby Tennis, and I heard it's absolute Trash xD
sand geyser
question: is there a vr headset that doesnt use proprietary cables? i live somewhere where i CANT and i really mean CANT get cables if mine breaks, i need a headset that uses standard cables. Thanks!
haughty thistle
HTC Vive is pretty much the only one I know. You can completely replace the stock cables with off-the-shelf ones, although the plugs on the headset are pretty deep in and have comparatively small holes, so finding a cable that fits might be tough
haughty thistle
Not as far as I know. Also: The Vive is no longer being manufactured, so new prices are way too high. Maybe check the used market, you might find one that is less than 300$ if you're lucky
haughty thistle
Many headsets don't even allow you to remove the cable in the First place mind you. So having a removable Cable in the first place is a blessing
fringe cliff
Echo combat (Echo VR) is incredibly underrated and only $10. Anyone else that cant get enough of this zeroG with guns multiplayer experience?
bitter ore
Anyone with a GTX 1650 Super with a VR setup?
sullen linden
🅱️eat saber
swift knoll
Anybody here with a samsung odyssey plus?
cloud pier
swift knoll
I was wondering what people thought about the built in headphones on the odyssey plus @sullen linden
sullen linden
they eh
they work
heard mixed things
@swift knoll if you're planning to buy one, don't honestly
buy a rift CV1 used or splash out a bit more for a rift s
swift knoll
I already have an index
I'm just asking what people think
And I have a question about WMR in general, how is the halo style headstrap @sullen linden
sullen linden
mine is comfy
i love my hp
comfier than some other headsets i've used
i'm planning to "upgrade" to a rift s(hand tracking mostly)
and that headset is quite comfy too
swift knoll
The halo style strap has always intrigued me since it seems to have a love hate relationship
The only headsets I've used are the vive and the index, neither of which are halo
haughty thistle
The thing about the halo strap really depends on your head, and whether or not you wear glasses. In general, the mounting of the Index is the better one, since it pretty much allows for any kind of head and also allows for glasses to fit without messing with the fit of the headset (if you can pull the lenses further from the face that is). In the Case of the Lenovo Explorer, there is barely any space in-between the lenses and the eyes, so wearing glasses will scratch them. I don't know about the Samsung Odyssey, but I think the glasses situation won't be better there either, although the Odyssey will fix on my Issue No.1 with WMR and that is the flip-up hinge. Neat Idea, bad execution, worse longevity. Basically, it causes the bottom of the headset to never sit snuggly against your face and with every use the hinge will be a bit less stable. In the two months I had my Lenovo the hinge did loose noticably in stability. The Rift S doesn't have that issue either, but realizes glasses fitting by loosening the tightness against the face, which can introduce light-leak and can cause the headset to become a bit wobbly infront of your eyes. I say "can", because others reported to not have that issue, or it being less extreme on their end
swift knoll
Interesting
autumn tangle
the halo strap for me is yuck
adding a top strap wont help
either dac or three point
swift knoll
Which headset do you have @autumn tangle
gentle coral
I'm also in the halo hate group, as I have massive ears and use high end headphones and it's very difficult to wear halo headsets comfortably.
So far the best headmount I have tried is still the idealens headsets, followed by hololense 2
The weight and pressure balance is really amazing and you can put headphones on before the headset
I know a few other companies are working on this style of headstrap.
haughty thistle
I feel the same. The Audio Solution on the Index might not be the bassiest, but it does sound very natural and that without anything touching your ears or the part around your ears. I think Speaker Solutions like the one on the Index are the future of VR sound with the technology we currently have.
young marten
swift knoll
Huh
gentle coral
I like the solution for index but it is terrible for spatial audio immersion, compared to properly tuned over ear headphones. Though if the audio engineer doesn't know how to do spacialized audio based balance it can cause vertigo. (You morph sounds based of how your head is moving on top of just spacialising the audio.) Though this uses even more CPU. Properly Spacialising audio takes at least 1 full core for simple stuff and I've heard about devs who use up to half their CPU to do high end path traced audio. (It will be nice once a proper nividia audio ray tracer comes out).
young marten
That sounds awesome
spare zephyr
Anybody have any VR setup recommendations?
I'm looking to get into VR (primarily for beat saber, blade and sorcery, etc.) but have no idea which headset to get without breaking the bank
Any tips or recs would be appreciated
hexed notch
Define breaking the bank
spare zephyr
tryna keep things under or around 300
which is kinda unreasonable for anything above mixed reality
hexed notch
what does the used market look like near you?
spare zephyr
I dont really know what to keep an eye out for, but I'm around some major cities so should be some stuff
gentle coral
Rare to find full 6dof headsets under 300, even used rift or vive since those are now only available second hand or from third parties that still have stock.
spare zephyr
What would be a more reasonable route? Just wait until vr is cheaper?
swift knoll
The rift is is around 400 new, you could probably find it for 300 used. The samsung odyssey plus is $229 but it has some problems. Those are basically your only options @spare zephyr
You could get a used rift cv1 or vive but those won't be as good as these newer headsets
spare zephyr
thanks for the advice 🙂
haughty thistle
@gentle coral, while it might not be the best that is possible in terms of spatial audio immersion, I feel like the immersion is better on the Index than on other headsets, since, as I said, you don't have anything touching your ears or the surrounding area. It's ultimately everyone's decision, but if I remember back to the days of my using WMR with my own supplied over-ear headphones, the experience definitely wasn't as immersive. And everytime I see people, who haven't tried the Index mind you, say that the open design of the Index speakers is a deal breaker for them, I kinda chuckle a bit. During the Summer my father sometimes cuts some wood with a hydraulic press in our backyard, which is directly across the wall of my playspace. I can barely hear him doing anything while the Index is playing audio, even more quieter background music can easily overpower the usually very loud hydraulic press sounds radiating throughout my room...
sullen linden
The speakers on the index are extremely good audio and comfort wise
I also got the new versions of the index controllers and it seems like they have fixed the problems with the joysticks
Pretty glad I decided to RMA my controllers
young marten
worthy heron
Should I get a quest or should I save up for a better computer for the rift s?
heady radish
@worthy heron what games you want to play
also, would you consider a gtx 1050ti to be VR ready?
void grove
worthy heron
I have an rx 580 and an old i7
sullen linden
@heady radish a 1050ti is gonna struggle and I'd recommend upgrading before getting into vr for the best experience
You can probably play with it but low fps can make you sick if you're prone to motion sickness
gentle coral
@haughty thistle, I definitely agree that they are currently the best first party solution for VR audio, and I am amazed that you have met anyone who considers the open design of the index a deal breaker, I mean they are removable if need be. And their solution will probably be copied for quite a few more headsets. There are only a few released headphones and VR earbuds that are better immersion solutions, but due to price or availability, they are not a great upgrades yet (spend the money on upgrades to you vr computer). A big part of the main issues is there are very very few spacial audio people currently working at game studios. Almost no games have been released with high level spatial audio. Based off the reddit AMA for HLA, Valve will be using their higher level spacial audio features.
But until most VR games start using advanced spacial audio there will be no reason for over ear headphones or vr earbuds to replace the off ear ones index is using.
Another problem is many headphones currently have to much pressure which does affect a difference aspect of immersion (headset presence). The off ear design is one of the best ways to lower headset presence ( also properly balanced headsets, or just wearing the headset correctly).
hexed notch
idk about you but i found the index has perfect spacial imaging
haughty thistle
^ same
gentle coral
What do you guys mean by spacial imaging?
hexed notch
if a dude in boneworks stumbles into an object which makes noise outside of where i can see it, i can still locate it fairly accurately from just the sound
hushed void
I finally got it!
hexed notch
noice
void grove
swift knoll
@hushed void enjoy VR!!
gentle coral
@hexed notch that's the first time I've heard someone call (ambisonic field) "spacial imaging".
But I definitely understand what you mean now and that is definitely what you should be able to do in VR.
The fun thing about ray traced audio and physics based spacial audio is new abilitys you gain by using more of the bodys audio perception. You can listen to things on the other side of a door, Perceive a sniper's location just from audio, listen in on conversation, and much more. Shooting a gun in a metal factory should scare the crap out of people, clashing swords should sound amazing, driving a car should sound like driving a car (that one is a sore spot considering the audio engineer who showed me what is nessasary to properly simulate a cars audio would take up well over 50 percent of a current gen computers processing budget) .
You can do all this with current audio, but it is actually not all that immersive once you have tried the proper stuff.
In my opinion When properly done, it feels like cheating, and it makes as big of a gameplay difference as higher resolution or higher framerate.
But until something like the index costs 500 dollars for everything, visual quality is paramount (devs choose devices based on cost and accessibility, not on audio quality (and most of the audio issues are able to be solved in software)).
hexed notch
Besides the index, my best experience with audio positioning has been with earbuds and standard hrtf
Also have you had a peek at nvidia's cuda accelerated audio raytracing? @gentle coral
Mental stuff
Csgo has been nearly perfect for me
gentle coral
@hexed notch, I'll check, that might actually be a result of me and others pestering nivida at GDC last year to do ray traced audio. At least If it is what I think it is.
gentle coral
Ooh the vrworks implementation, yes I know it. Last year I was trying to see if they were going to use the ray tracing cores in RTX to do that (especially since ray trased visuals for VR are nearly impossible unless you have a DGX-2). But yes that demo is great.).
scarlet pollen
Quest or Rift S?
i already have a pc but like the idea of wireless and portability
hushed void
@scarlet pollen Rift S, just because it has good quality and it has good speakers and mic, i have bin playing on the rift s for a day and i thing its amazing
hushed void
Display: Fast-switch LCD 2560×1440 (1280×1440 per eye) @ 80 Hz
Camera: 5 cameras
Mass: 499 g
swift knoll
@scarlet pollen quest, you can use it with your PC and standalone
haughty thistle
The PCVR experience on the Quest is tuned down visually significantly. If you do want to mainly palyy PCVR, the Rift S is the better headset
twilit sage
@scarlet pollen Rift S as it is the dedicated PCVR headset. If you don't see yourself using the wireless function then don't bother with the Quest.
swift knoll
@haughty thistle the difference isn't significant. the quest also has an OLED display, the only downside to it is the 72hz refresh rate, which isn't far off the rift S' 80. The quest is more versatile because of the internals. Sure, the rift S is "better" if you are only playing PCVR, but the quest is a better value and the more versatile headset
the quest's only disadvantage is the comfort (which can easily be fixed by a DAS mod) but if you don't want to mod it you can add a counter-weight that will help a lot
the choice in the end is up to you but if i was in your position I would choose the quest
@hushed void
young marten
Tracking volume of Rift s is also bigger
swift knoll
only by a bit
hushed void
thank you, but i already bot the rift s
haughty thistle
The reduction in video Quality on Quest Link is significant, and a factor many people kinda forget
haughty thistle
Even though the Quest has a higher physical resolution, that doesn't change on the fact that the entire Image + Tracking data has to fit in a 5Gbit/s stream, which is significantly less than what just DP 1.2 can do
I've tried both and the Rift S is a lot better in visual quality. In terms of PCVR quality I would compare the Quest with Link to the CV1 and the Rift S is much closer to other current Gen headsets like the Index
FOV is another thing, where the Rift S shines. I have no Idea how Oculus did it, but with the same sized Lenses the Rift S has a noticeably bigger FOV than the Quest
Not to say that Quest Link is unusable or bad, but for just PCVR, the Rift S is just plain better (except ofc your IPD is outside the 60-68mm range)
wise patio
anyone know where i can get a replacement left controller for wmr?
sullen linden
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sullen linden
RMA the controller?
wise patio
rma?
echo timber
Return Merchandise Authrization, you do normally do this when you buy merch and it breaks while still under warranty, the company should fix/replace it for you
void grove
Humble Store is having a VR sale. https://www.humblebundle.com/store/promo/vr-sale
void grove
haughty thistle
#hype
surreal tide
@wise patio yeah, good luck with that
Me and many others have been trying for years
Apparently none of the companies want to bother with offering replacements
You might have some luck on eBay tho
But that's your best bet
void grove
Wow, that sucks
hexed notch
depends on the game
also dual boot
gentle coral
The linux vr community is somewhat small, as you are in two gaming niches on top of each other. Very few game devs even know to think about that issue. Even at GDC and major VR events almost no devs even talk about linux.
Definitely do your research into which games natively support steam VR linux.
haughty thistle
The only VR Eco-System that supports Linux rn is SteamVR, and thus only native SteamVR headsets (Vive, Vive Pro & Index) work on Linux
gentle shuttle
Hi, Beat Saber has been a little laggy lately for me, specifically loading into the game and loading songs and lower frames when trying to play songs in general. It's never really done this since I installed a wireless network adapter. I have an RTX 2060 and an AMD Ryzen 5 2600x if that helps. Edit: Looks like I clicked the optimize button in Geforce Experience and it set the Antialiasing to 8x. I switched it to 2x and it looks like it's running smooth again.
high summit
Any recommendations for a high end headset?
hexed notch
Index?
swift knoll
@high summit index or vive pro if you want wireless
high summit
Ah ok
gentle coral
We might finally start getting more third party steamvr peripherals, as the dev price just went down, and hardware has been streamlined
trail oak
that sounds like good news for VR
young marten
Thanks for the good vr news Pyconaut.
unreal stump
do u guys think the quest can handle hand tracking while on oculus link?
spring mantle
it does have a small bit of lag that is finr for shooters but not beatsaber so get beadsaber on the quest store
ive done recsrch i do not have one
what is up with my spelling today
also i could get a quest now, or i could save till dec get a pc and then get a quest next year. i need your input.
cloud pier
I vote Quest first. Just also make sure you have a bit saved for games too.
spring mantle
i have £415, oh and btw my specs
are
intel i3 6006u 4threads 2ghx no boost
intel hd 520
and 12gb ddr4 2133
so yeah
that means i am in dire need of a pc
that can run, well, anything
and a quest it £400 and that leaves £15 for games
it is a laptop i got for school when i was 12 and i have had it ever since
cloud pier
Ahh. Well then my vote is now to save up some more for the pc, and Quest later.
Also look at seeing if you can get a used Quest. If you go that route, make sure it's in really good condition. Look for scratches on the lenses, dents on the controllers, and stains on the headset.
spring mantle
k
green crypt
Well get a pc and you can then get a pc vr headset in the Future
spring mantle
waiting for big navi and zen 3 so navi 10 and zen2 go down in price
green crypt
If you can get like 200pounds more you can get a vr ready system and pc vr in the Future
cloud pier
I upgraded my system to Ryzen 5 first gen for just a few hundred. Doesn't include the gpu, case, storage, or psu. But it was still a nice upgrade x'D
spring mantle
so i can lower my budget/fit better stuff in it with the 850 budget im aiming for
green crypt
850 is a good pc for vr yeah and other things
spring mantle
i dont use it as a laptop, under the monitor stand it is. and its hard to get out
it is under the monitor stand**
i mostly want a mid-high end system with lost of storig (10tb of hdds, and one 256gb ssd to boot)
cloud pier
Oh god why so much storage? xD
spring mantle
i succ up storig fast
with games
we got used 2 terrabytes on an xbox one + external drives in a year or so
cloud pier
I have a 1tb hdd, a 237gb m.2 pcie drive for boot (and programs I want fast) and then a 223gb ssd for games.
spring mantle
if i could run games i sure the 1tb i have would be full
cloud pier
I don't play many games anymore x'D
spring mantle
i mean i have used 300gb and these are like old 2gb games
cloud pier
At least, not big ones
spring mantle
i fill my library fast bc steam has some good offers
sometimes you can get like 3 games for the price of one
or if 10+ years old about 10
cloud pier
I just get games when I want / think I'll play them
spring mantle
and i can only run 10+ year old games if i want to play at med setting 1080p
cloud pier
These are what I have installed right now
Though from Steam, the only games I've been playing are Borderlands 2, and Garry's Mod x'D
I should uninstall like half of these.
spring mantle
these are mine
the one game where i get a stable 60fps is hl and opposing force and blue shift
cloud pier
You def should get the PC first, and try out some of the more modern / bigger games