virtual-reality

[weak bluff]

Fresnel - uses mature display technology, little light loss but huuuuge
Pancake - must rely on small display panel, large light loss but small

What is the middle ground

aspheric?

[haughty thistle]

Actually Fresnel is the middle ground

Aspherics require even more space then fresnels and also are quite heavy. Making them from plastic helps a little, but you don't get around the fact that an aspheric lens just needs more material then a fresnel lens. Period.

Pancakes don't necessarily require small displays (see Quest Pro and Quest 3), but the lightloss is huge and you will never get around the internal reflections (which can be more distracting at times then fresnel godrays)

Every lens type will always have it's drawbacks. Not one is perfect. You just gotta choose your trade-offs...

[weak bluff]

So Fresnel is quite good for value

[lime token]

I will never be able to use Fresnel again after using Pancake, the loss of sharpness and the small sweet spot just makes it not worth it

[haughty thistle]

Not all Fresnel lenses are made equal. In fact, you can just as much have a tiny sweet spot on pancakes. It's more that making a good fresnel lens makes it quite expensive to manufacturer afaik (since you have to file all those ridges)...
My personal favourite lens type is Aspheric. Just the lack of any glare at all is amazing. If only the headsets featuring Aspherics weren't all so super bulky. I love my Aero, but the weight makes it annoying to use for longer sessions, not to mention the inertia when whipping the head around

[rustic garnet]

Also really hard to get the optics right iirc?

distortion profiles and such

[weak bluff]

So then fresnel have good range of ways to work bit has narrow range of being good

[rustic garnet]

Ugh valveeeee drop the frame alreadyyy

[weak bluff]

Because cheapest mass market fresnel is google cardboard and gearvr

And well there is quest lineup

[rustic garnet]

Those used just spheric lenses actually

[weak bluff]

I never seen how a good Fresnel is like

[rustic garnet]

well there was no official cardboard design really

[weak bluff]

So Oculus Go and GearVR uses different lens?

[rustic garnet]

yeah

a fresnel lens is basically just a spheric lens but cut up

And flattened

so you can make it larger in diameter without making the assembly too deep

[haughty thistle]

You can also bend light with a fresnel lens that would be just unfeasable to do with an aspheric lens, but that fact is honestly rarely used in practice. The flatness does make multi-lens systems without a super deep tunnel possible tho (see Vive Pro 2/Focus 3/Vision or the Index for examples)

technically a pancake lens is a type of multi-lens system using aspheric lenses, but the two lenses effectively act as one lens with a deeper lens tunnel in between, hence why a pancake lens-system is generally referred to as one lens, despite the fact that it's actually two lenses with some partial reflectors and polar-filters in between...

[charred wing]

anyone know any good face gaskets to replace the one that comes with the index?

[cedar belfry]

not off the top of my head but i must say im kinda confused

imo the default face gasket is one of the most comfortable ones

[rustic garnet]

im assuming it's worn out

[haughty thistle]

Last time I checked (which tbf was quite a while ago), you could still get replacement OEM gaskets from Valve. They always ship in sets of 2, so you'd be set for quite a while with just one purchase

The price was also very reasonable at 40 bucks...

[charred wing]

yeah a bit and it soaks up sweat alot

[rustic garnet]

mine has a lot of hairs in it

like in the foam

[steep dew]

Dug out the quest 3 to watch Speed Racer 2008 because I'm broke and can't see it in imax

Surprisingly tolerable

Also, hell of a film

[cedar belfry]

that's me with the bigscreen beyond 2e

so bad that i prefer index

[steep dew]

I don't actually have experience with too many headsets

prior to the quest 3 I had a samsung odyssey PCVR headset because it basically solved the screen door effect that plagued the gen1 vive that I had prior to that

microsoft killing WMR got me to move to a quest

but yeah, speed racer 2008, watch it, it's good

we used to make MOVIES

[gloomy crater]

I was pretty close to being forced to get rid of my HP Reverb G2 when Microsoft killed WMR, luckily like two weeks before Win10 reached EOL the Oasis driver that allows WMR headsets to continue working on Win11 finally went live so I was able to continue using my G2. Although it's been developing some weird audio and video issues recently, hopefully I'll be able to continue using it until the Frame finally releases

[gloomy crater]

I've never watched a movie in VR before, I have been buying DVDs ever since Netflix went to shit, but the only thing I own that can play them is my Xbox. Would be interesting to see what it's like but idk if it'd be worth it to buy a portable DVD player to connect to my pc just to test it out

[steep dew]

I mean

you can just umm

cough

acquire them completely legally

or you know, maybe just a cheap DVD reader for your PC

fortunately for me there's a native plex app for the quest 3 and it works well enough I guess

(seriously you can get a USB DVD drive for like 15 bucks, I just would probably rip the movie and watch off your PC because the read speeds are atrocious)

[little plinth]

It's so good

Because I can totally lay on my back

And look up

[sterile coyote]

It's like holding your phone in front of you when you are laying in bed, except it cannot hit you in the face at mach 10.

Also more immersive.

[rustic garnet]

lol

[grand cedar]

is there anyone from the vrchat community that has base station tracking if u can dm me... need a bit of help with stuff

[native crypt]

I bought a good Libredrive compatible bluray burner/writer.. Mostly for PS3 emulation but you can rip your media, store it on a hard drive.. Even set up a personal media server with it

4k, 3D can be done however it needs a player capable of running it in SBS3D.. Still gotta figure out what I need to do for that myself but it IS possible.

[haughty thistle]

Problem with 4k is, the LGHT ones kinda suck (yes, they're faster then Pioneer drives, but struggle at reading 3-layer discs), and the Pioneer drives being sold rn aren't LibreDrive compatible (thus can't really be used for Ripping)

I'm not saying it's not doable, but yeah... hunting down a Pioneer drive with a firmware from before November 2022 is getting exceedingly difficult...

[native crypt]

BW-16D1HT is what I got. I kinda went through the list of drives provided by RPCS3s quick start guide (which was smaller at the time). Obviously won't fit everyones needs if said needs are an external one or cheaper but its given me no issues

[haughty thistle]

Ah, an Asus one (aka an LGHT drive with a different firmware that get's bricked when trying to flash standard LGHT firmware). While it sounds like I'm making fun of it, iirc it does have some extra features in the firmware that can make it more ideal for certain types of ripping (especially special Audio-CDs)

Personally I got both an LG and a Pioneer drive, since the LG is faster at ripping BDs and UHD BDs, but as I mentioned previously, it does sometimes have issues seeing 3-layer discs, in which case I use the Pioneer (which I also use for DVDs since weirdly it's much faster for those)

[steep dew]

yeah my drive is an LG WH16NS60

[grand cedar]

Hey idk if it’s worth but I’m thinking about getting a quest 3 off fb marketplace

[soft horizon]

VR is definitely worth it (I would recommend buying a like 4m USB 3.2 Gen2x1 or higher cable to use wired ALVR or WiVRn or the like)

[grand cedar]

Not vr lol I’ve been in vr for years

But I have the quest 2 currently I’m just looking towards an upgrade path

Plus where I’m getting it from too

[soft horizon]

Ahh, well a Quest 3 is a big upgrade over a Quest 2

Facebook Marketplace, I am not entirely sure about

[grand cedar]

Okay

I mean if anything

Is there any red flags I should look out for besides just testing the headset my self

[soft horizon]

I don't really think there is any pitfall really if you can physically go buy it

I am tho not sure how to reset it and stuff. Just make sure there is no pin on it

[grand cedar]

Ok

[soft horizon]

Well... or that you know the pin

[grand cedar]

The lady is selling it for $180

It’s 512

[soft horizon]

That sounds cheap

[grand cedar]

she said she was selling it for 250 but lowered it for this week cause she hasn’t gotten a buyer

[soft horizon]

Fair enough

It's about 500 new? 550?

[grand cedar]

No it’s 512 gb

For originally $250 but lowered to $180

[soft horizon]

I mean what would a new one be worth?

[grand cedar]

Lemme see

[grand cedar]

It’s $500-$700 for the 512 gb

[soft horizon]

I see, yeah then it should be fine. Obviously no guarantees lol

[grand cedar]

Yeah I’ll check everything before finishing

I just wanted to see if there’s anything to check for

[rough pelican]

vrchat

and the thing i would like to know is that my gpu should be able to go almost 2ghz

and it does in every other game

but here

it just no

[glossy nimbus]

Put my reverb g2 up for sale, we’ll see if there are any takers. Might as well try and get something out of it.

So hyped for the Steam Frame to not deal with WMR and be able to actually use the headset

[blissful radish]

This is expected performance as you are CPU/memory bound

[gloomy crater]

Same. My Reverb G2 technically still works thanks to the oasis driver, but it's slowly developing more issues like audio and video bugs that I think are just due to age and being worn out so I'm amped for the Frame to come out so I can just have fun playing again instead of troubleshooting for half an hour every time i wanna play something

[blissful creek]

91° with 33% CPU usage is kinda hot

[rustic garnet]

Yeah like a dead aio pump or something

[blissful creek]

That's probably why his game runs like that

The CPU is constantly thermal throttling

[soft horizon]

also 3.2GHz is very low for 35% load

[rough pelican]

Well its a laptop

Maybe its because of that?

Specs:
MSI crosshair 15...

64gb ddr4 3200mt/S
Intel i7 12700h 14c/20t
Rtx 3060 Mobile 6gb
512gb gen 4 nvme
1tb gen4 nvme

And its running on a 1920x1080 100hz Asus monitor

Non vr

[cedar belfry]

most likely the "mobile" part of the CPU

and laptops notoriously overheat with anything you do

[rough pelican]

Umm

Maybe?...

[cedar belfry]

Mobile anything in a laptop means it runs at a lower wattage, which means lower power, lower clock speeds, etc

[rustic garnet]

there's a 6gb 3060??.

[rough pelican]

Cuz in cyberpunk 2077 this thing goes on 2ghz with 100% util

[rough pelican]

Laptop version yes

[cedar belfry]

Also vrchat is hot ass on any system

[rustic garnet]

take off the bottom and clean out the vents and@rough pelican

[rough pelican]

Already did

[rustic garnet]

Thermal paste?

[rough pelican]

Im affraid it uses liquid metal

So I just cant make myself take IT off

[patent flume]

Anyone know how to fix an issue with really low quality sounding glitchy audio while using steam link on quest 3?

[thorn fox]

Bought a new open-box Rift S today.
Seller said he only pulled it out of the box and never actually used it, still had the packaging on the headset to prove it. Paid $100 for it

Hooked right up and works well

[native crypt]

Man I almost miss mine if I didnt dislike it (or its software) so much and my controllers worked fine

Odd seeing the black slimmer looking controllers after using the quest 2s for so long

[gray dome]

that's the one I have. I'm pretty happy with it aside from the software and the audio jack

[gloomy crater]

Reason '#3462 why I cannot wait for the steam frame to come out: My shit is currently PINK!!!

[golden spade]

I think you should see a doctor about that.

[gloomy crater]

driver issue, had to rollback like two version releases. simple fix this time, but it isn't always. one day soon it'll be broken for good i fear

[kindred socket]

bros led screen is cooked

[haughty thistle]

In german we got this saying "Alles durch die rosarote Brille sehen" (seeing everything through a set of pink-tinted glasses); roughly means "to look at everything overly positive".
No one ever said you should take that literally dude

[cedar belfry]

POV your VGA cable is loose

[barren zealot]

LEAN VISION

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-lean-i-love-lean-meme-broly-dragon-ball-super-dragon-ball-super-broly-gif-24908426

[barren zealot]

In english it's just "rose tinted glasses" referring to the perception that the past was better than the present

[native crypt]

Was it not?

[weak bluff]

despite all that

its still meh...

[native crypt]

I forgot vive was even doing anything ATP. Other than discontinuing the face tracker

[sly river]

Ooh discounted 3.0s

[little ledge]

Does anyone know of some decent controllers that work with steamvr base stations that are not vive wands or knuckles?

[cedar belfry]

gripvr

[cedar belfry]

When I pair a controller, please for the love of fuck just pair to the headset not my Vive dongles PLEAASEE I BEG

[sterile coyote]

Bro is the purple man.

[weak bluff]

maybe future eoz glove controllers

no good alternative

flipvr from shiftall, pimax sword, etee but they all have bad reviews

[sly river]

yeah it feels like the knuckle controllers are the only like good controller for lighthouse based vr still which sucks

1 generation of lighthouse hardware from valve and they dropped it

[rustic garnet]

oculus did the same thing

and wmr only got one generation overall ..

[lime token]

Lighthouse based headsets create a high barrier of entry for VR, its more cost effective to use SLAM based systems.
The improved accuracy is just not worth the increased complexity

[rustic garnet]

idk if it's more expensive per se but setting up base stations in your room is definitely a barrier for most users

[weak bluff]

Blame facebook they canned Rift CV1 successor

[sly river]

I mean the original vive had an msrp of $500 twards the end of its life its only real downsides where the controllers and the amoled displays

[indigo sequoia]

To me it's not just accuracy

Things like the bigscreen beyond can't exist without lighthouses

[sly river]

true not to mention some people have built out a lighthouse based setpu and don't want to switch away from it at this point

I want to keep with it but there is less and less stuff coming out for it now

[indigo sequoia]

Yeah same, just being able to change one thing or the other independently is huge

[scarlet fern]

is 3D = VR?

[real pasture]

no

3d is 3d, vr is vr

[fair spoke]

They both use multiple renders to target an individual eye but VR usually means have head tracking and other motion controls rigged to track your body and use as input with output strapped to your face

Perceived 3D typically relies on blocking one image going to one eye and blocking another image going to another eye rather than separate physical displays, they definitely have some overlap but wouldn't consider 3d displays VR unless include at least some kind of body tracking. Square is a rectangle but rectangle isn't necessarily a square kinda situation, all VR is 3D but not all 3D is VR.

[haughty thistle]

VR means it's a head mounted display, with two separate images (one per eye)

Doesn't even have to include any band controllers even. As long as the rendered perspective is tied to the users head rotation, and the screen is head mounted, it is usually considered VR. A fixed screen with one image per eye is 3D

[thorn fox]

Bought Half Life: Alyx a couple days ago, best VR game I own by far

[weak bluff]

vr headset are however capable of watching 3D video

however as 3D media died along cinema its hard to find new stereoscopic media

[haughty thistle]

Actually, VR headsets are probably one of the best ways to experience 3D content. Perfect image seperation and overlap

[native crypt]

I kinda love boneworks a little more. For sure one of the more polished ones though. that said it has a couple of the worst unpatched issues ive seen, theres a reason I haven't finished it

[gloomy crater]

Later this year Boneworks is going to be getting a big patch that will migrate it to a newer physics engine and add/change a bunch of stuff. Whether to wait until that patch drops to finish it is up to you. that being said, they're most likely going to be waiting until after the Frame launches so that they can work on stuff unique to that hardware to be included with patch 789

[brisk viper]

whats the best pcvr headsets at the moment/coming out this year? had a quest 3 since launch and i really dont like the OS and metas bs, wanna get a new one by christmas, saw a bit on the pimax ultralight heatset or the bigscreen beyond 2 both look good

[rustic garnet]

valve's new headset is supposed to come out this year

ram crisis is making that uncertain though

[brisk viper]

yeah it looks interesting, for me though i dont value its standalone features, however its foviated streaming does look interesting

[rustic garnet]

I think it's gonna be great for desktop vr too

Probably the best wireless implementation on the market

[brisk viper]

yeah but a decent part of its cost is its standalone hardware

[brisk viper]

its a good point

i do mainly use my q3 wireless with steamvr

[rustic garnet]

You need a chip to stream encoded video anyway

and like if your options are that and a bigscreen that thing also costs like 1k usd for just the headset no

[brisk viper]

im prettt on the fence between do i want a good wireless headset, or an ultralight tiny hadset, something like beyond or dream air

[brisk viper]

the deckard is likely to cost 1k

i doubt it will be under 900

[rustic garnet]

we literally know nothing about pricing

they said like "we would like to price it lower than the index" or whatever

[brisk viper]

well the index was 1k, the rest of the market seems to agree a headset of its performance is around that 800-1000 mark, and it has 16gb ram

[brisk viper]

yes i dont think they want it to be 1k but i think they will be forced to because of ram pricing

obviously i have no idea and cant predict future

and dont get me wrong i love my quest 3 hardware, optics are incredible and screens are sharp enough, but its a pos

constant tracking issues, OS bugs etc

[indigo sequoia]

I would 100% prefer a beyond

It's just not in the same league, but it costs twice as much

As what will probably cost the frame

[cedar belfry]

i personally would only recommend the beyond if you already have a lighthouse tracked system or have the extra money to build a new one

i like mine, i just wish it was a tiny bit brighter

[weak bluff]

you can get good standalone headset and very good GPU

if you want precision tracking attach tundra tracker to headset

[brisk viper]

questing on eye tracking based foviated rendering, is it still the case where its on a per application basis weather that possible performance increase with eye tracking foviated rendering is possible? or will it apply to any app launched in vr

are the best controllers still index knuckes with 2 or 3 base stations?

[serene stump]

https://www.androidauthority.com/x-by-xreal-ar-glasses-3671446/

[serene stump]

Then you have XR glasses

[weak bluff]

yes

foveated rendering require the game to have some sort of rendering pipeline that can render only specific part high details

it will always be per game and not all game comes with something like that as standard

many games dont support anything past fixed foveated rendering

mods that do support it relies on games that support such features such as games that support Variable Rate Supersampling VRSS

[brisk viper]

awh

sucks

[patent flume]

Anyone know how to fix glitchy sounding audio while using steam link on quest 3? If I use quest link over WiFi it’s fine

[brisk viper]

thats strange though, if it was implemented into steamVR would that meean every game would benefit from the performance gains?

[weak bluff]

no because steamvr does not render the game

[brisk viper]

awh

looking at the pimax dream air SE rn, its the same res, displays and similar optics for almost half the price of the beyond 2e, i wonder why i havnt seen nuch talk about it

[weak bluff]

because pimax have terrible reputation in the past

bad bad bad QC and warranty service

they promised improvements recently but that remains to be seen

[brisk viper]

😔

[rough pelican]

vrchat...

[real pasture]

normal

[rough pelican]

ts also normal?

[rustic garnet]

Show per core utilization

On the cpu

[blissful creek]

Spicy CPU

93° with 43% utilization is really hot

[rough pelican]

Well It is a laptop

Sooo

[blissful creek]

It's still really hot

That's why your performance is so bad

Your cpu is throttling constantly

[rustic garnet]

What cpu is it

[rough pelican]

Intel i7 12700h

14c/20t

[rough pelican]

Well what could I do with it?

[real pasture]

liquid nitrogen

dont actually

[blissful creek]

Maybe repaste it

Clean your fans

[rough pelican]

i did both

[blissful creek]

Maybe the heat pipes are damaged

If not

Bad design I guess

[rustic garnet]

Can you show the per core utilization

[rough pelican]

i didnt take a pic of it yesterday so its not utilized that much

[rustic garnet]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/132228/intel-core-i712700h-processor-24m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz/specifications.html

[rough pelican]

Umm?

[soft hound]

Yes, that's normal
VRChat will never use 100% of your CPU, since it will always be limited by the slowest thread
So if one thread is slower because it is doing heavier calculations (for things like animators or physics), the engine will have to wait for it before it can start rendering the next frame
Also, the more materials being rendered, the worse the performance, as there will be more and more draw calls for the CPU to handle

Even with my 5800X3D, I'm usually <60 FPS in public lobbies, and will be entirely CPU-limited

[steep dew]

Repaste your laptop

[weak bluff]

Hiding avatar really helps with vrchat performance

[hollow glacier]

is the valve index good

[rustic garnet]

its pretty old

if you can get a deal sure

[shrewd cipher]

Virtual/Mixed Reality
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
Vive, Oculus, <insert random kickstarter headset>, they're all pretty fancy.

[sullen linden]

Second

[fading lance]

owo whats this

[dull pike]

forth

[dire estuary]

@fading lance OwO

[sullen linden]

Straight up, no one talking about vr. smh

[dire estuary]

VR cost a lot

[full crow]

lowkey acer mixed reality is the best vr headset ever (issa prank)

[sullen linden]

VR seems to be getting more support recently

[fading lance]

I got an oculus a bit ago, still loving it

[sullen linden]

I don't particularly remember what, but more releases in a wave are coming

[sullen mulch]

I want Oculus Rift

[sullen linden]

oculus sucks from what i've seen

htc vive would be better bet

and i've seen lots of VR since may 2016

custom ak skin for Pavlov VR

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/176547607

[subtle lagoon]

dragon lore when

[sullen mulch]

Vive is not really better

They are both good

Oculus is lighter, more comfortable

Cheaper

[sullen linden]

problem is, who wants to pay facebook?

some people don't want to do anything with facebook

so its either Windows mixed reality or Vive

[sullen mulch]

If Vive was lighter, had a strap system more similar to Oculus, and controllers more similar to touch controllers I would easely go for Vive, but that isn't the case

[fading lance]

I’d love oculus controllers with touch pads tbh

The oculus is $100 cheaper I think, $200 If you want the good strap for the vive

More USB ports needed is kinda annoying, but nothing a usb card can’t fix

Plus you get access to oculus games

Like echo arena

[slow heath]

but is VR

VR ready

[full lotus]

I did have the vive and the oculus for a little while, the vive just sat on the shelf collecting dust

yeah grr facebook etc, but to be honest facebook hasnt intruded into oculus in any way at all

but the headset is lighter, more comfortable, and the display a little better than the vive
not to mention the infinitely better controllers, and the games that you can't get on vive without high-overhead workarounds

[latent creek]

I got to try the Samsung "mixed reality" headset last night. Was excellent

[sullen linden]

@slow heath more like, golden early age

inb4 mainstream fucks it up

[slow heath]

eh, yeah

the niche it's in at the moment is nice

hopefully microsoft doesn't go anywhere with their mixed reality crap

[sullen mulch]

Isnt the screens of vive and rift the exact same? its just the lenses that is different?

[sullen linden]

@sullen mulch different fov and glass, but same res

[dire monolith]

https://www.roadtovr.com/payday-2-vr-beta-now-available-supporting-cross-play-desktop-players/

(A little video to show it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvCNIC_-Cl0

[sullen mulch]

Except for the games Oculus makes themselves, it's only timed exclusives I think?

And there exists games that don't work on Oculus on steam I think?

And the Oculus cameras is IR cameras, not like normal cameras

[dire monolith]

DK2 isn't the same as the CV1

But I can't confirm the CV1 can see the same image from IR trackers.

Ok, good to know! Do the Vive has the same ?

[full lotus]

@gloomy flicker yeah the exclusive games thing I would agree, except its not a case of paying a dev to NOT release on other platforms, the oculus exclusives are games that had their development actually funded by oculus.

for example robo recall was funded by oculus, and is completely free, so its understandeable why it would be an exclusive for oculus

Most of the exclusive games never would have happened otherwise

I know

and yeah exclusives are a bit of a dodgy area IMO, and can be a shitty business practice, but in some cases they can be ok

[sullen mulch]

CV1 cameras see less than DK2 ones

But why not just put something over them when not using them

I have heard that lighthouses might make noises

When they spin

[tacit pelican]

i wish i had vive ;-;

[sullen mulch]

I think at the start the light houses also kept spinning if you didn't turn it of manually? Might remember wrong.

I don't spend money on something because that's what company might win out in the future with a new product. I buy what I think is best now. (Exception is if a company is really close to dying)

[dire monolith]

I have an older Vive and yeah Lighthouses make noises and vibrations, you can hear it when they start but after that it's more quieter. And also you can add the bluetooth driver to turn them off when you don't use SteamVR (and it allows you to update them wirelessly)

[sullen mulch]

If I then get a new product in the future, then I re evaluate what company I get the product from. Maybe it turns out to be another one, maybe not.

I don't lock myself to one brand for the future if I can avoid it

That's why that if I got Oculus Rift, I would probably still get games for it via steam

If possible

[dire monolith]

@sullen mulch SteamVR is fully compatible with the Rift. As far as I know

[sullen mulch]

You can play most VR Games on steam on Oculus, yes

Btw, Steam is collecting data on what you play and stuff too, and I would just put something over the cameras when not using it.

Oculus don't have ads

Now at least

And have no way to link any data to a Facebook user because I do not have Facebook

They can still guess what size your room is and stuff

And I don't think the CV1 sensors is good enough with the filter to make out individual small products in the background that don't spew out its own IR light

[severe needle]

Anyone have any typs on good games for the cv1?

[gentle coral]

Just saw that this thread started, and I am excited to see quite a few people interested in VR, and are having a quite deep discussion.

I do VR development (software, games, and hardware). And have tried almost every platform and can definitely say that there is good stuff coming, though it is not all going to be from big players.

I want to see if I can add any interesting info.

Currently the best headset that is available (hard to get though), is Samsung Odyssey Windows mixed reality. (Though vive and oculus both currently have better tracking.) It will support steam VR in about a month.

Vive and rift have their tradeoffs, I use both on a almost daily basis. Vive has a better development and long term setup efficiency (short recalibration every 10 people),while rift is a better playing experience and short term setup efficiency (long recalibration every 20 people). Using vive pucks is cool but annoying, and TPcast, is good, but is not a great buy, as the next versions of most headsets will either be wireless or be to much for it to drive.

hopes of better VR

Resolution (outlook)
Currently biggest limiting factor for better VR displays is actually the computer's graphics card (yes it is the bottleneck), as some display manufacturing groups can make 8k per eye at 90 fps, but they can't find anything that can push that many pixels. And thus will not invest in manufacturing until it is assured that consumers will have cards that powerful within two to three years (typically large production display fab setup time).

Field of view
This is the current thing a lot of groups are developing (as Linus can attest, Pimax 8k field of view is amazing. And is currently one of the best way to improve VR experiences. If you are playing Pavlov VR with a wide fails of view headset it feels like cheating, because of how much more you can see.

Tracking
For now outside in tracking like the lighthouses and rift cameras, will give the most seamless experience, as inside out tracking like Windows mixed reality loses your hands every time you move your hands out of the HMD cameras. But there is hopeful talk about Windows mixed reality possibly supporting external trackers in the future especially if you they want to compete with vive and rift on gaming.

Color
This is not going to take long, as oled is already in some headsets, and hdr support is already kind of doable in some current headsets.

Spacial audio
This is another thing that will be on the market really soon. Spacial audio specific headphones like Ossics are amazing for increasing immersion. They are also a cheat in most current VR games because you can hear exactly where people are. (It also works in regular games, and will probably be banned in exports for a while once on the market. (You can tell where a sniper is behind you so accurately that it is scary).

Ergonomics
This is something that will take a few more iterations, but will definitely get better quickly.

External stuff
Motion capture is now down to 500 dollars for a low end sensor suit. Biosensor integration is really close.
Logitech is making a VR viewable keyboard (and probably a mouse (for those with who want a quick pointing experience))

Security,
Needs to improve, both vive and rift can make scary accurate depth maps, if you can access and visualise the sensor scan data. Luckily most implementations in games restrict that data only to get device position data, and ignore the rest, and most of the time the data pathway in the games limit sensor data to a few implementations, and not to gather data that is transmitted online, unless you are playing a multiplayer online VR game, and even then, they usually filter out any secondary data unless they specifically ask to use it to improve something like reverse kinematics. (Which is really fun to develop with and understand how they currently predict your body position (example, 70% chance your elbow is in front of your chest, 20% your using your bellybutton to hold your controller, 10% your shoulder comes out your mouth). And inside out data is even scarier (do not walk around your house wearing a hololens unless you are sure you want a high resolution depth map of your house that might or might not now be on a Microsoft server)

Recommended games and experiences

Robo recall
Raw data
Tiltbrush
SuperhotVR
Google earth VR
Rick and Morty VR
Job simulator
Pavlov
Pearl by Google
Fantastic contraption (supports mixed reality)
Superhypercube (now available on vive)
Virtual desktop (best for movies and 360 videos at this time)
And fallout 4 VR is almost here.

Can't wait to see what other people bring up. Even as a dev, there is a ton that is not set in stone, and hearing others opinions is one of the best things out there for improving the next iterations of this type of tech.

[shrewd cipher]

holy post batman

[sullen linden]

@gentle coral That was... a really good read

lol

[gentle coral]

sorry, I sometimes get way to excited on forums, though it's good that you guys thought it was interesting.

[dire monolith]

@gentle coral I can recommand you to try Payday 2 VR Beta, Superhot VR was the best VR game that I've played so far and Payday 2 VR crushed it. (As of roomscale games)

[fluid cipher]

@gentle coral What is ur opinion on Microsoft Hollow Lens

I think that is what it is called

[midnight canopy]

i just seem to have to spend the first 30 mins getting my htc vive to work before i can play 😦

i seem to have to reboot the pc then it says the usb has no power

[gentle coral]

For Sam
Hololens is currently the best Inside out tracking AR headset that is available to buy (Though expensive), in terms of software it is not all that different from a transparent version of Windows, but it is harder to develop apps for it than something like Google glass. I find it uncomfortable due to to much front weight, and is hard to get balanced just right. The tracking is amazing, as with the share function enabled, you can see objects left by past hololens users if someone has used a hololens in that place before. In the bay area, if you visit a hackerspace or programmer hangout, there is a high probability of finding a few floating 3d objects if you had a hololens on

For rowbs
That sounds like driver, check if the lighthouses need any updates, and if they do follow the instructions on how to update the (you have to plug them directly into the computer you have steam VR on. But first try reinstalling steamvr. If that doesent work, chech your system connections. A faulty link box or HDMI cable. Easiest way to check is to plug the vive directly into the pc and have only the power go through the link box. Also make sure vive software (not from steam) is fully installed and up to date.

[old plover]

Anyone know any free games that work well with riftcat?

[void grove]

Has anyone used the Samsung Oddesy?

[full lotus]

I tried it very briefly

the display is very nice, though Im not a fan of the inside out tracking or the windows MR stuff

the controllers glitch out with tracking if they go out of the view of the cameras on the headset

and the windows MR thing is quite frankly a joke

Have a look at linus's video on the Asus headset

its basically all that, just the display is better than the asus one

[void grove]

The SteamVR beta is out. So that's why I was wondering. 😐

But yeah, if even that one has issues with the inside out tracking...

[coral locust]

I'm so hype that this exists

[void grove]

?

[coral locust]

I'm glad to be able to talk about VR in a more accesible way

[void grove]

Ah

😃

[tribal cloud]

Think VR will pick up pace after RPO comes out next year? Lol

[void grove]

RPO?

[lost dew]

Ever since I tried the Vive at the London "have-a-go" centres, I've been wanting to get one so badly

I wish I didn't have to spend money on being alive

Sucks

I think when VR headsets hit sub 300 and use a camera for tracking like the new Acer/Microsoft headset, it will take off

[void grove]

I bought a Gear VR, but returned it because it was too heavy on the nose. 😐

Well, it probably more that the foam was suffocating me.

[coral locust]

RPO stands for Ready Player One

It's a book about VR thats written by Ernest Cline

Steven Spielberg is directing a movie version of it which comes out in March 2018

[boreal musk]

I've enjoyed watching 3D blurays on the Vive... I'll admit that the image quality isn't as good as sitting and watching a 2D copy of the film but I'd take the Vive over a 3D projector any day just for the colours and a more comfortable 3D effect.

As for driving a higher res panel, I'd be OK with having the high res for video playback (presumably not so much to ask) while playing games at a lower resolution, 1080 on a 4k for example, to allow for an easy 4 physical pixels per game pixel.

What mostly gets me irritated is when platforms gain exclusivity on games. Such as Resident Evil 7 VR being a PSVR exlusive for an entire year! and Skyrim VR being a PSVR exclusive for an undisclosed period.... coming to PC hasn't exactly been verified. (To my knowledge) The Oculus exclusivity isn't so much of a problem what with re-vive being a thing but... yeah.

Also, my VR recently became a little bugged. I was getting reprojected frames every second or so. Seemed to go away after I closed both Afterburner and Core Temp. An online search pointed to programs that ping the motherboard for sensor data. Christ knows why that's a problem...

[coral locust]

That sounds pretty cool, I haven't thought of trying a 3D blueray (or bluerays in general) on the vive. Varjo is supposedly going to launch a headset in 2018 for "thousands of dollars".

Exclusivity sucks, but I think it will happen less when developers can afford to make games on all platforms without incentives.

[boreal musk]

3D blurays on the Vive is a bit of an ordeal though. Need to rip it first and then re-encode to SBS or TAB. I've been using FullSBS so I'm not losing half my data in each frame but the program I found to encode them will only burn in subtitles on a FullSBS encode. Also, Vive Video doesn't know what to do with a FullSBS video either. I've been using Whirligig to play them which runs it through VLC, I believe.

I was quite tempted by the Pimax 8K but having only just ponied up for the Vive, figure I can wait maybe another generation before upgrading.

[void grove]

I'm hoping that the LG Steam VR headset releases early next year! 😃

[sullen linden]

Anyone reccomend any Oculus games? Already have a ton but wanted to see if there was anything crazy I have been missing

[void grove]

Lone Echo? 😛

[boreal musk]

Went looking for what exactly the Aorus logo was of, found a description. Got bored, downloaded a sculpting program for the Vive, spent my evening making it a thing... https://skfb.ly/6uDUI

http://www.xtremehardware.com/images/stories/Gigabyte/Z270-Gaming_K5/immagini/AORUS_Logo.png

[gentle coral]

just posted this in the forums, and thought some of you guys might be interested

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/862528-a-vr-viewable-keyboard-by-logitech/

[gentle coral]

found out I reposted this topic in the forum

here is the first thread

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/854563-logitech-wants-to-bring-the-keyboard-into-the-vr-space/?tab=comments#comment-10643790

[dire monolith]

I'd definetly buy a new gen Vive controler with finger tracking, HaptX Gloves would be the best !
https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/20/haptx-gloves-vr/

[gentle coral]

@gloomy flicker it does use the camera (there is no other way to see your fingers while in VR), but it also needs to be seen by the tracking system, so that the camera doesent need to be manually turned on, every time you think you are next to the keyboard. Tracking is absolutly nessasary for pheriferals to be usable in room scale vr. Though I agree it could have benn done better, especially if it was integrated into the keyboard itself.

@dire monolith definitly going to post that to forums,

[gentle coral]

exactly

whereas if there was no tracking you would either need the camera fully on so that when i is in frame it would cause the app to axcess the camera. QR style markers would work, but tracking works better, as the camera can focus on your hands (allows for better hand definition).

[spice depot]

Uh

Hi

[open lintel]

Hey

I got a HTC vive btw

And i love it, onward and pavlov are my favorite games

[sullen linden]

Ooh, is the vive anworthwile investment?

[sullen linden]

I kind of wanna build a seperate pc for my vr room... But I dont wanna spend too much

cause i constantly bring my main rig all thw ay down stairs to my vr room

i have a rx 480 a pcu and fans i can use

and a hardrive

and ram

all i need is a cpu mobo and case

[barren elk]

steam link is 5 usd

[sullen linden]

ok

[barren elk]

use it for your monitor, pc in vr room

[sullen linden]

steam link wont work for vr

[barren elk]

I'm assuming you have vr in one room and normal gaming in another

[sullen linden]

oh now i get u

[barren elk]

pc lives in vr room

[sullen linden]

I like to look at my pc as it is on my desk

[barren elk]

link lives in normal gaming mode

[sullen linden]

and i dont always gaem on my pc i do other things

[barren elk]

print a picture of your pc and put it on the desk next to the monitor

lol

[sullen linden]

lol

[barren elk]

i was about to say the same thing

i just remebered he did that

[old plover]

any way to launch GTA V through TriDef Ignition? It just crashes my steam :/

[open lintel]

omg

guys

Should get this and try to sell my Vive for more than what I've got?

[spice depot]

why not

[void grove]

Too bad I'm too poor.

[willow anvil]

I bought the rift :p

[sullen linden]

When you have the minimum specs for VR in your rig xdd

[prisma furnace]

Vive on sale through Facebook as well, came up in my feed similar to a sponsored post

[pastel panther]

Anyone know some good horror vr games for HTC Vive? Looking for jump scares.

[sullen linden]

fear

[void vault]

Hi

[cinder bloom]

The Vive is on sale on Canadian Amazon atm. You get the deluxe headstrap for free.

[patent totem]

@pastel panther little late but i had to wait the 24 hour grace period to post 😃

http://store.steampowered.com/app/529670/The_Bellows/

Steam

The Bellows

"Of all the things you choose in life, you don't get to choose what your nightmares are. You don't pick them; they pick you." -- John Irving

Recommendations

128

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^ very enjoyable, however very short

[pastel panther]

@patent totem looks cool! I'll defiantly try that. Thanks 😀

[patent totem]

when i say short btw, i mean like 15 mins start to finish short

[sour topaz]

we did it guys
we killed god

http://store.steampowered.com/app/638110/Desert_Bus_VR/

Steam

Desert Bus VR

Desert Bus is back and better than ever! The 1998 Penn and Teller cult hit mini-game is coming to virtual reality, so you can fully immerse yourself in the thrilling eight-hour trip from Arizona to Nevada. It’s almost like you’re driving the ...

[void grove]

wat

[devout mist]

set up the vive and it only took me 15 minutes to smash my face into the wall

[tacit vortex]

Superhot VR is really fun

[dire monolith]

I totally agree.

Did you tried the Payday 2 VR beta ?

[raven vector]

my rift arrived

Its so much fun~~~

[void grove]

o:

I'm jelly

[upbeat fossil]

Paint it bright orange and call it a raft

[cinder bloom]

I bought a Vive!

Anyone know any good titles to play? My Vive hasn't arrived yet, but it should be arriving either the end of this week or begining of next

[drifting iris]

Job simulator

[void grove]

Fallout 4 VR, because it ships with the device. :v

[upbeat fossil]

Subnautica for underwater beautifulness

[sullen linden]

^^ good choice

[cinder bloom]

I've downloaded about 20 titles that were free, of course I will be getting Fallout 4 VR with the headset

I found this.... And its just...
no....

http://store.steampowered.com/app/469990/NEKOPALIVE/

Steam

NEKOPALIVE

WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY A APRIL FOOLS' PRANK, HAS NOW BECOME THE PURRFECT VR SHOWCASE!What's NEKOPALIVE? Why, it's a "cat-certo"! The catgirls of La Soleil take to the stage and step into the spotlight with their very own live concert. Dancing, sing...

Recommendations

1021

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No

[upbeat fossil]

That looks mocapped, and I feel for whoever had to do it

[novel crypt]

whats the cheapest vr headset atm

[sullen linden]

good headset? the rift

some places still have it for $350

^^

mhhm.

[void grove]

Inb4 a male mocapped Nekopalive. :v

[void grove]

This has been posted before, but I highly recommend Desert Bus VR

[sullen mulch]

If I remember right, high end PC VR had sold around 200-400k in total.

But those quality Mobile ones (counting Samsung one, not counting cardboard) have sold 10 million or something.
While cardboard and similar was much more

I might remember those numbers wrong btw

[tropic oasis]

@cinder bloom O_O

[dire monolith]

@cinder bloom I recommend you SUPERHOT VR and Payday 2 VR beta, those 2 are for me the best VR experiences that I tried/played for now

[sour topaz]

@cinder bloom - Also while you're at it:
Hotdogs, Horseshoes and Hand Grenades - http://store.steampowered.com/app/450540/Hot_Dogs_Horseshoes__Hand_Grenades
Space Pirate Trainer - https://store.steampowered.com/app/418650/Space_Pirate_Trainer/
Audioshield - http://store.steampowered.com/app/412740/Audioshield/
Climbey - http://store.steampowered.com/app/520010/Climbey/
Google Earth VR - https://vr.google.com/earth/
R&M: Virtual Rickality - http://store.steampowered.com/app/469610/Rick_and_Morty_Virtual_Rickality/
Tilt Brush - https://www.tiltbrush.com/
Onward - https://store.steampowered.com/app/496240/Onward

Steam

Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades

Do you like hotdogs? How about horseshoes? Hand grenades? (everyone likes hand grenades) Anyway, we got all that, and guns. So if you like cooking, lawn games, and ordnance, this is the VR sandbox game for you.Hot dogs, Horseshoes and Hand Grenad...

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

1309

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Steam

Space Pirate Trainer

Remember those awesome classic arcade cabinets? Imagine if those were immersive... Space Pirate Trainer puts you in one of those; fighting off relentless waves of droids with all the weapons and gadgets you would ever need as a Space Pirate. You ...

Price

$14.99

Recommendations

1474

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Steam

Audioshield

"Audioshield is the most purely joyful time I’ve had with a facebox on" (Alec Meer, Rock Paper Shotgun)"Audioshield: Feels like music-melee Missile Command-and we love it" (Ars Technica)"AudioShield -- a rhythm game -- is HTC Vive's killer app"...

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

1897

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Steam

Climbey

Climbey is a VR-only climbing game!The goal is to climb to the finish as fast as you can, avoiding obstacles and trying not to fall along the way.Features:Physics-powered climbing and jumping controls that are easy to grasp but hard to master!15 ...

Price

$9.99

Recommendations

436

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damn embeds

[dire monolith]

Just put your link between <> like : <link>

[sour topaz]

I did

@dire monolith - It didn't do anything

[dire monolith]

I think this only applies on new messages and don't do anything on edit...

Discord 👌

[mossy cipher]

IDK about H3... I know jack shit abt guns and Im lost in that game lol

Space Pirate is fun, I bought it on Steam and it wokr kinda weird on Rift (I have a Vive back when I bought it)

[cinder bloom]

@dire monolith @sour topaz
I own Payday 2 already, and the VR for that looks awesome.
Obviously Fallout 4 since it will come with the Vive.
Tilt Brush also comes with my Vive.
I got Google Earth VR downloaded ....

Don't think I'd like Climbey, I do well with heights XD

Not sure I'd enjoy Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades.. Just seems like a sandbox full of things to shoot and explode. Which if I got it for free I might play, but without a multiplayer lobby like Garrys Mod I dont see the point tbh.

Onward is early access, which has been very hit/miss in my experience. The description states that it is still in its infancy with not many modes/maps to play on.

IMO, Space Pirate Trainer and Audiosheild kind of feel like the same thing, but one is shooting while the other is blocking. Might go with Space Pirate Traier out of the two.

Superhot VR is on my wishlist already!

Can't buy any games right now, since I just dropped $920 (with 3 year warranty and tax) on the headset, so a little tight for cash atm. Honestly all the free VR titles and the fact that my headset came with Falllout 4 (a game I was going to buy anyways) is why I invested in one now!
Plus, awesome Cyber Monday deal on it

[plush cargo]

quick

htc vive or oculus rift

[cinder bloom]

Vive

Because fuck giving Facebook money xD
But also just better tracking and way better room scale

[plush cargo]

works with steam vr?

[cinder bloom]

Of couse, HTC partnerted with Steam and is their unofficial "official" headset

[weary pollen]

i forgot to try nekopaLive on rift

last time i tried it on phone vr lol

[cinder bloom]

I am not going anywhere near that game

[open lintel]

The new doom vfr sucks don't get it

[void grove]

O: Why?

[void grove]

I'm watching a video on it, and it looks really slow. :[

[shy lagoon]

have any of you tried the vr game "anyland"

[narrow idol]

Anyone ever tried these terrible VR emulation apps that let you play SteamVR with your phone, or even PSVR?

[void grove]

I've tried Riftcraft, it was awful.

[narrow idol]

Trinus and VRidge are the ones I've checked out. They are also awful. I mean, if you can ignore the roomscale thing, VRidge works fine. The moment I wanted to throw my headset was when I tried using Leap Motion for emulating the Vive controllers.

This explains why the Kinect failed, I see.

[nova vigil]

I tried both, they seemed to work, used them for Assetto Corsa and worked alright I guess, if you can deal with shitty resoultionn then its a cheap/free option

[dire monolith]

I used to use VRidge with my Nexus 5X, pretty decent with a plastic Cardboard headset. Except the fact that it was overheating and tracking starts to rotate to the right by itself after 10 mins.
But now that I have the Vive, VRidge isn't a definitive solution for now. (Lets wait and see what they can achieve with the standalone headset from HTC)

[void grove]

I had a Gear VR but I returned it because it was putting too much pressure on my face, and it felt like it was suffocating me. :[

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071K3DK68

[sullen linden]

Is the HTC Vive worth the money

[void grove]

If you're on the fence, I would suggest if there's a demo in your area. :v And I would only suggest getting VR if it's not the rest of your savings. xd

[full lotus]

Oculus rift is better and cheaper IMO

I sold my vive cause after I got my oculus it just gathered dust on the shelf

@sullen linden

[narrow idol]

I'm looking at Microsoft's Mixed Reality myself. They're working with Valve amazingly, so there should be quite a plethora of games with that platform.

[cinder bloom]

The Vive has better tracking than the rift. And much better room scale (which I wanted) IMO.
The Microsoft mixed reality is great for portability, but it has no tracking once your arms are no longer in front of your face (which a few games implement for reloading).

Also the mixed reality doesn't provide the digital "box" for you to play in so you don't accidently walk into a wall.

[sullen mulch]

I have heard that Vive is better tracking if Oculus have 2 sensors OR doesn't place them the best, but if you are 3 they are just as good as eachother

[sullen linden]

Huh everyone I talk to says the htc vive is just better at everything

[ivory parrot]

I like the oculus

vive didnt work with my glasses

also oculus touch

is very nice

its also much much lighter

[sullen mulch]

One thing that is defintly true is that Oculus is more comfortable

[devout mist]

I ordered both the rift and Vive because of free returns

I can't for the life of me figure out why the Vive costs $200 more

Rift is more comfortable, and has better controllers

[scarlet robin]

I went with the vive over the rift after a long time of being a rift fanboy because:
1). The Vive supports Steam VR, meaning each part (controllers, lighthouse, Display, etc.) is interchangable with future varients.
2). The Vive supports the chaperone feature so you can pay less money in wall spackle provided you are careful when you see the blue (or whatever color you set it to) mesh appear
3). The lighthouses are wireless and only require power, no additional USB ports needed

[devout mist]

Doesn't rift have both of those? And yeah the usb ports are annoying

[scarlet robin]

Rift isnt designed using the steam VR ecosystem

thats why the USB ports are an issue

[devout mist]

Haven't noticed any difference between the two in steam vr

But I haven't had the headsets long

[scarlet robin]

with Steam VR compliant hardware, they use IR points to track headset and send the data back to the headset through a wireless channel the headset has bult in. same with the controllers

while the program itself will run on the rift, valve has designed an entire ecosystem for modularity

[devout mist]

I see the walls on the rift that tell you not to go farther. I haven't heard anything about the modularity before, but that's interesting

[scarlet robin]

the new LG 8K headset thing is designed for use with vive wands and lighthouses

because of it

[devout mist]

With the audio strap, the Vive is almost as comfortable as the rift

[scarlet robin]

I dont have the strap yet sadly, $100 for it is too much IMO

the headphones being attached does seem much more convienient though

[devout mist]

Got it for free with the black friday deal. Makes a huge difference

[scarlet robin]

I'll grab one provided I earn enough profit from my current VR game I'm slowly grinding through development for

[devout mist]

Vive seems blurry to me, but I read today there is another adjustment you can make with the Vive I didn't even know about so I'll have to try that

[scarlet robin]

yeah, IPD + focus / distance between lenses and screens makes huge difference

really hard to get the sweet spot

[devout mist]

I played doom vfr for a bit. Pretty regular stutters and I've crashed twice :/

Only 40 minutes in so will give it another go and see if I want to keep it

[full lotus]

The vive doesn't have better tracking than the rift

I couldn't tell the difference when using either

They both worked flawlessly so long as you were In line of sight

The only benefit is that the vives lighthouses are wireless.

But I would take the better Comfort and better display of the rift (plus the infinitely better controllers) over a bit of cable management every day

[devout mist]

I generally agree. The ability to change out one part of the setup without changing the rest is intriguing though. But I kind of doubt you will be able to buy many headsets that do not come with the sensors and their respective controllers as well.

But I would like to move away from the console-like feeling I get from the non upgradability

[raven vector]

Rift is cheaper, but not a 50% off, because you have to buy more extra cable and camer to catch up the room scale experience vive give you. some times there will be game only run on vive. Most of the vive only game do run on rift, But not all.

[sullen mulch]

On Rift, when you set it up, you do move a controller around to mark where the play area can be. It do show where it is in the virtual world. @scarlet robin

@raven vector Rift is still cheaper with extra camera and stuff.
Especially if you get the hard strap thing to Vive to really make it comparable.

[raven vector]

you also need 3 or 4 usb port and a hdmi port on you PC 😛

[sullen mulch]

I know but many PCs have that from what I have seen, as long as you don't use a laptop, have a cheapo mobo, or have lots of other usb stuff

[raven vector]

my PC got a old motherboard and it only got 6 port in the back, keyboard mouse ext harddrive and bluetooth already takes up 4 😢

[sullen mulch]

I have 6in the back and 4 on the front

I think

Would you need to have the hard drive connected while gaming tho? And why do you need Bluetooth?

[raven vector]

for controller~~~

[sullen mulch]

oh

[full lotus]

@raven vector All vive games run on the rift

Plus you don't need to buy extra sensors, two sensors works fine.

Also with vive you have to buy the extra strap thing too

[scarlet robin]

you dont "have to"

I dont have the audio strap, will probably get it to make it easier and faster to put on when I just want to test out a bug for two seconds

[devout mist]

The vive's camera setup is much more convenient. But not $240 (Counting rift 3rd camera and Vive audio strap) more convenient

Vive just needs to drop in price and it will make more sense imo

If it always included the audio strap instead of just during a deal that would help

$460 for rift vs $700 on vive to get equivalent setups and rift controllers are better

[open lintel]

Yep

The vive needs to be AT LEAST $450 usd to be competitive

[stuck crater]

oog

[void grove]

I'd say $450 with the audio strap, but that'll be awhile. :v

Or $500 with audio strap, because that's how much the Samsung Oddysey is.

[scarlet robin]

long term though I'd say the vive will be significant for a longer time thanks to interchangeable hardware

[void grove]

There are other SteamVR headset being made right now. I would kinda wait for Steam Dev Days early next year tbh.

Oh, there might not be one next year. 😐

And SDD 2016 happened in OCT, I thought it was feburary for some reason

I guess I was thinking of GDC,

Which is happening late March 2018

[vivid goblet]

Are you guys forgetting about MR? Yes, I know... I watched Linus' review but... Samsung HMD Odyssey, the high end MR Headset eliminates almost all of the problems. It also has SteamVR support

[stuck ingot]

thoughts on trinus??

[full lotus]

Ok so here's what I found from having both headsets:

Oculus wins:
-Noticeably better display/lenses with much less SDE (At the cost of reduced FOV)
-MUCH more comfortable
-Built in headphones are super handy and actually pretty good too
-Some oculus-exclusive games are some of the best VR games i've played (lone echo is f**king amazing)
-Much cheaper
-Controllers are much much better. Feel incredibly nice to use
-Lots of free games come with it (Robo recall etc)
-Software setup is much easier
-Runs all Oculus and all Vive games (though oculus walled-garden may be off-putting for some)

Vive Wins:
-Much easier to set up for big rooms as you don't need wires for the sensors. However the "vive is better at roomscale" thing is a myth. Both systems tracking is flawless even at big roomscale. Oculus also includes a USB extension so its not too bad to set up. Also if you do opt to get a third oculus sensor then i would say that oculus actually has BETTER roomscale tracking because fewer occlusion issues.
-Slightly better FOV (At the cost of increased SDE)

If/when knuckles come out then I think the vive controllers may be better, but until then I would pick the oculus for the controllers alone tbh

[scarlet robin]

dont forget about ReVive and being able to play oculus exclusives from the vive

(or other headset)

[devout mist]

@full lotus I agree. If Vive dropped in price $100 and included the audio strap it would be more in line with oculus. I don't know if Facebook have just decided to start taking a loss on the rift to sell headsets, but at current prices the rift is just way better value.

[raven vector]

@full lotus yup most of the vive game run's on rift, just some of them crash~~

[dusky stratus]

Does the vive have a screen door effect?

Only vr I had was the phone ones

[void grove]

The Valve hand controllers only seem good for games that don't involve shooting. Like escape room games, where oculus touch seems like a good enough middle ground.

The SDE on vive is there, but you don't really notice it if you're playing a game that involves a lot of movement, like Space Pirate Trainer.

[full lotus]

You CAN play oculus games via revive but a) instability
B) increased overhead

And yeah I agree, if the audio strap was included, price dropped a bit and once knuckles come out then yeah it will be much more even but at the moment I don't think it is.

@dusky stratus both vive and oculus have SDE, just vive has it worse cause it has the same resolution but a wider fov, so pixel density is lower. Also the lenses aren't as good which doesn't help

But neither of them have 'bad' SDE.

They are both fine, and the only time you'll notice is is on stationary scenes or looking at items in the distance

Both vive and oculus are worlds better than phone VR.

Going from phone VR to oculus/vive is like going from playing euro truck simulator to driving an actual truck

[sullen mulch]

Isnt the screens of Rift and Vive the same, but its the lenses that are different?

or do I remember wrong?

[dusky stratus]

Alright thanks I'm thinking about getting one probably the vive thi

Tho*

[solar pumice]

I would wait until the product in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne0cmvl8GqM&t=865s gets more refined and buy something from that lineup instead of a vive and oculus. The fov on vive and oculus ruins the experience

[dusky stratus]

@solar pumice yeah I've been without a vr so long that I guess I can wait longer

[full lotus]

@sullen mulch the screen resolution is the same, but they are different panels and different lenses.

Oculus spent a HUGE amount of money on r&d for their lenses and it shows. They have non-circular fresnel lenses that work very well.

End result is vive FOV is slightly wider but noticeably worse SDE and blurring at edge of view. Though its not too bad.

@solar pumice That stuff is cool, but at the moment we have only the computer power to run very very basic games on it. Until we have a serious improvement in GPU horsepower I wouldnt consider it.

HTC and oculus have both said they arent planning on releasing higher res headsets at the moment for that very reason

nothing but the highest end systems could run it

current VR is already extremely demanding to run. Even a 1080ti can't run some games at 1.5x supersampling

http://goldiefoxx.com/44401997.png

thats the lenses on the rift. I mean shape and view from a distance doesnt say it all but if at any point you can try both headsets, do

Both headsets are great

But the oculus is MUCH more comfortable, better lenses, better display, better controllers, more games, plus oculus-only features like ASW (Asynchronous SpaceWarp) mean you can run higher end games on whatever hardware you have too

The "8"k vr stuff is cool and once its done will be awesome. But its not going to be a viable option for most people for a long time. Both because the headset itself costs 2-3x what an oculus or vive does, and you NEED a 1080ti to run it on anything but really basic games

[full lotus]

@gloomy flicker there are two versions of the pimax, one which upscales 1440p and one which runs native 2x4k

And in regards to the cost, Im speaking about the whole system, if you have a vive already then yeah cost will be lower, but others will need to buy controllers and lighthouses too

And yeah The oculus walled garden is annoying

but both sides will release next gen hardware eventually, so I dont think it matters too much.

But hey, at least we can all point and laugh at "mixed" reality

[full lotus]

Yeah virtual desktops will be awesome once stuff gets really good

I love bigscreen at the moment for just chatting and watching stuff with people
but its really not anywhere close to being viable for productivity yet

[solar pumice]

@full lotus I made the mistake of buying the htc vive. After a while I started to notice the super low fov and it ruined the experience for me.

[full lotus]

I think the fov on both headsets is fine. Sure you dont get full peripheral vision, but until there are some seriously good lenses developed peripheral vision is going to be a no-go for anyone who isnt immune to motion sickness.
But yeah the FOV could be bigger

[scarlet robin]

I'm having no FOV issues with my vive. I'm running a 6mm VR Cover cover on it so I A: Dont get it sweaty and disguesting, B: Much closer to lenses and much wider FOV

limits my vision by about ~3% on the left and right boarders and top and bottom is not noticeable. Every game I play with it I forget about the FOV issue

[devout mist]

What are some suggestions for viveport games to get

[void grove]

Do you own any other VR games?

[devout mist]

Have dirt rally, the free ones with the rift, tried doom, and have superhot

[cinder bloom]

This arrived in the mail today! :D already setup and played for about 30min before I had to head to bed.

[void grove]

All you rich people and your VR! D: I should be getting a new job early next year, so hopefully by the time the 8K X headset comes out, I should be able to afford it with a new PC!

[cinder bloom]

As was mentioned a few posts up, 8k VR isn't viable for most people since the Gpu hardware to run that doesn't really exist right now for the consumer market at large. Until we see either a HUGE jump to the 1100 GTX series (or whatever they're going to name it) I wouldn't expect that kind of power until the 1200 GTX series release.

[void grove]

I was talking about the Pimax headset, of course I'm going to wait for reviews on the final version of it..

[full lotus]

8k vr is awesome in theory, but won't be viable until GPU's catch up.

I am a huge proponent of VR and the fact that there is so much competition in the market is great. But realistically 8k vr is not ready yet

In a few years yes, hell yeah, super wide FOV and great res? That will be amazing

[vivid goblet]

Windows MR is great but only the Samsung HMD Odyssey.

[void grove]

Rise of the Tomb Raider for SteamVR

[sullen linden]

@void grove haven't you seen Linus review it? It really doesn't look like it would be that good for most vr experienes since it is just 2 4k displays. Also the number requirement for the so called "8k" is a gtx 1080ti system with obviously a good CPU. So if getting the Vive is a "rich people thing" then the pimax is for the "people with holes in their wallets"

Tldr: if you want the best of the best, wait a few years or have some fun w the Oculus and Vive until then

[rapid frost]

Ya know what would be neat

Because one of the focus points of SteamVR destinations involves photogrammetry, it would be neato to get a VR destination of LMG

obviouslly it would take a crap ton of work but

it would be neat

[scarlet robin]

I could do that as a 24 hour UE4 project easily provided colton runs around with a 360 camera and takes photos of the office

[rapid frost]

hm

There's also software like Reality Capture that are designed to take those multiple photos or 360s and compile them into a 3d model, which you could stick inside UE4 or SteamVR Home

[raven vector]

So to anyone that play osu and got a VR. I made this beatmap:

https://youtu.be/5qmKEOqsl4w

[full lotus]

https://www.oculus.com/blog/celebrate-the-one-year-anniversary-of-oculus-touch-with-a-24-hour-flash-sale/

[devout mist]

What games should I grab from this flash sale

[raven vector]

lone echo, I expect you to die, superhot vr

[cinder bloom]

Why are VR treadmills not a consumer thing?
The Omni states it's for commercial only

[raven vector]

Omni tracking is really bad

still need some work befor it can release

[full lotus]

The omni was always going to be a massively niche thing.

hardly anyone will have it so hardly any devs will even consider adding support for it.

I mean dont get me wrong, its really cool, but it will be under-utilised for the same reason that most VR games arent roomscale. Something like 10% of VR users actually have a decent roomscale space

so in order for their games to sell better devs target a bigger market and make games that work well with small play-areas

[dire monolith]

Hey everyone ! I am searching some little games that are good to make family members try VR for christmas. I have a Vive and I'll be using my XPS 15 (i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM, GTX 1050). Do you have any recommandations ? (I already have The Lab and Job Simulator and I'd like to make them try the room scale feature of the Vive)

[full lotus]

@dire monolith google earth VR, Superhot VR, aircar (dunno if its on steamvr or not)

"keep talking and nobody explodes" is great cause you can involve several people at once

[dire monolith]

I already have Superhot VR and KTANE but I wasn't sure if they were suitable for a family dinner ^^

Is Google Earth VR a great VR experience ? I've never tried it :p

[full lotus]

google earth VR is my go-to demo now

its fantastic

[dire monolith]

Ok ! I take notes 😃

[strange tusk]

I’m probs getting a htc vive on Christmas

[full lotus]

Im loving the new oculus dash so goddamn much

Sitting playing elite dangerous, with a netflix window pinned in my cockpit, hell yes

[sullen mulch]

You can do that? Cool!

[dire monolith]

Is there an equivalent for the Vive @full lotus ?

[dire monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQC1xNIc8TY

[full lotus]

@dire monolith no, its part of the oculus core 2.0 that was released to beta yesterday. They basically revamped just about everything about the UI and interaction

[dire monolith]

Ok, thx for the info !

[void grove]

Lone Echo is free if you buy a Rift
Source: The game awards

[dire monolith]

https://youtu.be/8rosV7xGhAU

[dawn geyser]

What's the main difference between Rift and Vive? and which one is best to get in terms of games 😄

[void grove]

The Vive is better at roomscale and the rift has built in headphones that don't cost an extra $100. :V If you want more high quality games I'd get a Rift. Oculus is funding the majory of major VR titles and they'll either come to Rift first or be Rift exclusive.. There is a third-party tool/driver that let's you use the Vive for rift games, but I heard it can cause issues.

[solar wave]

Your mainly looking at tracking accuracy aswell.

The occulus tracking is rather inferior to the Vive's. Ive tried both in person and can personally attest to it.

[void grove]

I think most people can't tell the difference though, but I'd try each one first before buying into it, if you can.

[sullen mulch]

People say how good the tracking of the Oculus matter a lot on how many sensors you have and how well they are placed.

[void grove]

Maybe for roomscale, but if you don't have the space/don't care about it shouldn't really matter.

[sullen mulch]

Biggest difference between Oculus and Vive roomscale I have heard about is that Oculus area is smaller

The max area

But it's large enough for most people that doesn't have a large room to use

[void grove]

Yeah, I heard it's close to 10 ft, I think, before tracking is gone.

[sullen mulch]

I think Oculus was about 2,5-3 m square

[void grove]

Oh, the oculus wiki on reddit says, 7x7ft. 😐

[sullen mulch]

While Vive was 4-4,5 m or something

[void grove]

Vive is 15x15 ft, but I heard you can extend them farther and won't lost tracking, but SteamVR doesn't support it.

[sullen mulch]

I wouldn't have space for more than what Oculus can do anyway

And I bet that's true for a lot of people, especially in Europe

[dire monolith]

SteamVR also supports like 15 lighthouses for larger scale tracking

[void grove]

Yeah, there's the amount of items you can have for SteamVR, but not that many games support that right now.

[sullen mulch]

Isn't Oculus supposed to too? Or was that a thing that is supposed to come later

But not yet

[void grove]

I heard oculus only support like 2 extra stuff besides the touch + headset

[sullen mulch]

Then it was a thing they said was going to work in the future or something

[void grove]

Maybe when Santa Cruz comes out.

[sullen mulch]

For What I know it might have been cancelled

I don't know

[void grove]

Oh, looks like Santa Cruz is going support a similar tracking system to what the Rift uses now, because they were using Touch controllers for the demos.

They look really simular from a distance, but they're different.

[dire monolith]

I hope that HTC will launch Touch like controllers for the Vive (or any 3rd party manufacturer, if it's done correctly)

[void grove]

Yeah, the hand controllers that Valve is developing doesn't look like they would be good for combat based games.

Oh, they have something to grab onto. I didn't think there was.

[dire monolith]

The Valve Knuckle controller, I didn't remember the name of this project : https://www.vrheads.com/valve-knuckles-controllers

[cyan drum]

is an 8' x 5' play area ok for the vive?

[full lotus]

Why do people say oculus tracking is inferior to vive? Both of them work flawlessly and if anything I'd say oculus was MORE accurate

Also the oculus max area is NOT smaller

@void grove

@cyan drum yeah thats plenty for most stuff. You wont be able to play stuff that NEEDS a big room, but tbh 99% of VR games are designed with smaller playspaces in mind

[cyan drum]

ok

[full lotus]

The only game I play regularly that it helps to have a big playspace is echo arena but thats oculus only anyway

other than that everything works in small playspaces fine

[cyan drum]

I could try and setup revive @full lotus

[full lotus]

You can do yeah, just its not ideal because a: echo arena controls are wonky AF on revive and performance is worse

[cyan drum]

yeah. I will mostly be playing games like https://i.imgur.com/U3k4NPK.png

[full lotus]

Get Rec Room VR if you haven't already

free and so much fun

also google Earth VR

[cyan drum]

I have bigscreen, and yeah google earth my dad wants to play around with that

[full lotus]

Landfall is super fun too, its like command and conquer but in VR

though it may be oculus only, I can't remember

[cyan drum]

https://i.imgur.com/xenSNrn.png

[full lotus]

Try the paintball on that

its surprisingly addicting

[cyan drum]

ok

is it multiplayer with other friends w/ vives? Rec Room?

[full lotus]

Yeah its multiplayer with both platforms

[cyan drum]

so my friend can be on vive, me on vive, and another friend playing on his oculus lol

we will never have to go outside!

• cant you play any game in a big room like a living room?

[full lotus]

99% of games are designed for small playspaces where you can stand up and maybe take a step in any direction. Cause the vast majority of people dont have huge playspaces.

The only games I know of that actually really benefit from roomscale are echo arena, one of the experiences in "the lab", and then some games like robo recall (oculus only) or rec room its nice to have more playspace but not necessary at all

roomscale VR isnt really a big thing

cause no devs make stuff for it cause hardly anyone has it and so no one will buy their games

its like SLI support, no devs add support for it cause hardly anyone uses it so sales wont increase

[cyan drum]

oh the lab, its like the best game that is free.

https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks/graphics/vrsli

I remeber the first game was the lab and I petted the dog. Then when my friend was in VR i threw stuff at him.

[full lotus]

Best game that is free on vive anyway

Lone echo is free on oculus now

Which is like, the best VR game I've played ever

Robo recall, echo arena and a bunch of others are free on oculus too

[cyan drum]

https://i.imgur.com/C0GfAqV.png

[full lotus]

Bigscreen is great

[cyan drum]

from seeing my friend setup vr it isnt hard for the vive anyways

compared to him and the room. That play area isnt big enough https://i.imgur.com/nEDcXoz.png

[full lotus]

It depends

If your play area is 8x5ft but with walls on some of the sides, that's actually a much smaller play area than an 8x5ft but only with tables etc in the way

Cause you can swing your arms over them

[cyan drum]

8'x5' with 1-2' away from the wall

[void grove]

Will the vive still detect your positon if you're in "standing mode"?

[dire monolith]

I think it still does

[void grove]

Because my legs buckled using a Rift and I think it was due to my position not being track when I moved slighty.

[dire monolith]

So yeah, Vive still tracks it

[void grove]

[full lotus]

Sounds like you had a bad sensor or something

Only time I've had tracking shift on me was when my little brother knocked over a sensor

[void grove]

It was at a Best Buy. :V

[full lotus]

No idea

[void grove]

Well, I'm not 100% why that's my legs buckled, but they did. :<

[cyan drum]

@full lotus I dont have siblings and the base stations are up high on the wall

[full lotus]

If the tracking shifted then yeah I can understand why your legs would buckle, mine would too, all I'm saying is that is not a normal issue and there was something wrong with that best buy setup

Once tracking is setup on both they are almost identical. With 3 sensors the rift has less occlusion issues but tracking itself both are perfect

[cyan drum]

how long are the usb cables that come with the vive? for base station

[void grove]

The base stations don't plug into the pc

[cyan drum]

no to the wall

[void grove]

Oh. 😐

[cyan drum]

lol I shouldve said power cables not usb cables

[void grove]

it's 8 feet long or 2.5 meter

Sauce: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/48a85k/lighthouse_power_cable_length/

[cyan drum]

ok so it might be long enough

[full lotus]

personally the main 2 reasons I sold my vive were the controllers (Which hopefully will be resolved when knuckles comes out but still) and the SDE is noticeably worse

[cyan drum]

https://i.imgur.com/YpmaLhY.png WOW! this would be handy...

[devout mist]

Yeah I still have not managed to get the Vive to not be blurry on the edges

And the grip buttons on the vive are uncomfortable

Wish I could have the rift headset and controllers with the vive lighthouses

[full lotus]

its not really possible to get the edges perfect due to the lenses

[cinder bloom]

I've had zero issues with my Vive.
My gf can't even use a Rift without getting nauseous, but she can use my Vive fine.

[sullen mulch]

Weird

I have heard at least one person that is the other way arround

[void grove]

I've never suffered from motion sickness. I must be lucky.

[full lotus]

I got motion sick on both when I first started using VR but after a while you get used to it

[cyan drum]

I didn't get sick when I first tried the Vive at my friends house, although I almost broke one of his controllers w/ the fan...

[full lotus]

I think it depends on the game you're playing. The ones where your character doesnt move, or only moves when you move about in your actual room (or just teleporting) are fine

Its the stuff like google earth VR or racing sims that got me cause everything else is moving but you dont feel anything so your brain is like "WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON"

[full lotus]

Plus some people are just super susceptible to motion sickness. I used to have it really bad, like, would struggle to sit in the back seat of a car

[scarlet robin]

I get motion sick when there is nothing below my feet, but after a while you get used to it. Rickie's Plank Experience is where I got it the worst, not afraid of the heights, just the way your move gets me motion sick

[cyan drum]

lol

[cyan drum]

https://i.imgur.com/cRBka28.png enough or more?

[scarlet robin]

Onward & H3?

H3 being Hotdogs, Horshoes, and Hand Grenades

[dire monolith]

@cyan drum You should put SUPERHOT VR way upper in your wishlist, definetly one of the best VR experience available atm IMO.

[cyan drum]

I'm not going off of order... I just add it to wishlist and click add to cart for all of them and buy lol

why isnt there an easy way to add all to cart

@dire monolith

[dire monolith]

Enhanced Steam Chrome addon allows you to add a product to your cart from your wishlist

[cyan drum]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/496250 or http://store.steampowered.com/app/488310

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Eleven: Table Tennis VR

The ultimate Table Tennis simulator. Play opponents in online multiplayer or practice against the advanced AI. With physics designed to be as real as ever achieved in a Table Tennis simulator, you will forget you are in VR.

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[full lotus]

save some money for revive and oculus games

robo recall, lone echo, echo arena

those are three of the best VR games i've played

[cyan drum]

ok... I asked for 90$ then I have more money that I can use soo....

[full lotus]

Those three games are free if you have an oculus, though if not (ie if you're doing it through revive) im not sure how much they are

I think about £30

[cyan drum]

ok

[devout mist]

I think they come free with purchase of oculus right now, not free with oculus

I only get motion sickness in games where you move independent of your head like driving games

Or lucky's tale

[full lotus]

Robo recall and echo arena have always been free when you bought touch or oculus+touch. They gave you a code when you bought them.

Lone echo only just got added to that though

[sullen linden]

@full lotus mine just showed up in my library ready to install when i got my rift+touch

[full lotus]

Nice!!!

[sullen linden]

I have been trying to get payday to work

but evertime i launch it

even in vrHomne

vrHome

it just launches like it normally does

[night kettle]

anyone here know of any good star wars vr apps (or star wars like) i have played trails on tatonee, driod repair and light blade

[novel crypt]

is the best sale on vr the newegg 400$ rift?

[devout mist]

Pretty sure that is standard price

But I like newegg because they don't charge me taxes

And if you have a shoprunner account (I get one free through an Amex credit card) you can get free 2 day shipping on a lot of items

[cyan drum]

https://youtu.be/T1Wzgm8DkkU I want to do this

[dire monolith]

Fallout 4 VR is out ! Can't wait to have the "demo"

[cyan drum]

lol

I wish all VR games had demos

steam refunds are ok but they take so long to do

[dire monolith]

I'd prefer to just have to pay 15€ for a VR DLC, I've already have the game (collector edition, preordered, 130€) so why would I buy it again ?

[cyan drum]

oh! ...

rip

just like superhot

[dire monolith]

Yeah... But I bought Superhot VR, and it's great. But just look at Payday 2, they offered a free VR update (as the last update for the game tho).

[cyan drum]

I was like, lets get superhot. Then I wanted a Vive and I was like... lets wait

[dire monolith]

VR version is A WHOLE LOT better than the normal version

IMO

[cyan drum]

yeah

it would seem so

[dire monolith]

I have both. VR version is one of the best VR experience available.

[scarlet robin]

Personally I'm rather fond of the 2 hours I spent doing and re-doing the budget cuts demo

someone please do give me an update on how Fallout 4 VR is and if its worth it though

[cyan drum]

I threw stuff irl when my friend was playing it

am I a mean friend?

[scarlet robin]

No

[dire monolith]

@cyan drum Just doing a funny joke

[cyan drum]

throw harder stuff next time?

[dire monolith]

@scarlet robin Depending on when the "demo" will be available, I could tell you when I'll have it !

[cyan drum]

then agian I almost broke a controller by jumping up and hitting the running celing fan..

[scarlet robin]

Its obligatory to hand the controllers to the demo-ee when they are behind your back, proceed to randomly grab the controllers while they are ingame, and aquaint them with VR for the first time by loading up Rickies Plank Experience

[cyan drum]

I didnt get hurt the vive almost did...

I'm gonna be like, dad you wanted to play the vive: so do Richie's Plank Experience!

[dire monolith]

@cyan drum A friend nearly broke a controller this weekend, was giving punches in SUPERHOT VR, but there was a wall... Controller just got a scratch, he just punched his hand on the wall by protecting the 145€ controller lol

[cyan drum]

https://i.imgur.com/UoDjDk1.png for those who cannot affor a vive right away lol

@dire monolith ouch...

[dire monolith]

He's fine tho

Just a bit of pain

[cyan drum]

that had to hurt though...

[scarlet robin]

When your starting them up your mousing over all the things in the VR section of your library and every "launch" button just leads to Richies

[cyan drum]

lol

[dire monolith]

It's 1AM and I have to wake up at 7AM to go to school so I should go to sleep ^^'
Bye everyone !

[cyan drum]

oops you said Google Earth VR? sorry I clicked on plank experience

[dire monolith]

pls sthap gaben

[scarlet robin]

"So this is what The Lab looks like? I thought it would be more, you know, valve-y" "yes yes this is the lab, just step into the elevator and hit the top button to go to longbow" "but it says plank" "thats because someone had a typo"

[cyan drum]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/517160/Richies_Plank_Experience/ just watching the video scares me...

Steam

Richie's Plank Experience

Are you afraid of heights? Take an elevator to our plank that’s sits 160m high (525 feet) above the ground, then dare to walk to the end! Richie’s Plank Experience was made to demonstrate virtual reality to our friends and family. It’s a...

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$7.99

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"Richie’s Plank Experience was made to demonstrate virtual reality to our friends and family." and a way to loose friends and family

[dire monolith]

I'll save some money for the holiday sales on Steam

And hope there will be some VR games on sale

[cyan drum]

hope

Im gonna wait to buy Project CARS 2...

[cyan fulcrum]

@cyan drum is that the game that makes people fall on their face and break the Vive?

[scarlet robin]

Yes

Infact, let me get that reddit video really quick

[cyan drum]

yes

[scarlet robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHDn26UX4aw

Welcome to richies plank experience

[cyan drum]

https://i.imgur.com/LNrqJ7M.png

[scarlet robin]

Star of the show right there ^

[cyan drum]

https://i.imgur.com/l8oVwvg.png

RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFsMYRsWglA

https://i.imgur.com/4BTNtrd.png close enough close enough

[scarlet robin]

Close enough. The right answer was Flux Capacitor, which they got a few of the letters of like the O and F, but close enough.

[cyan drum]

lol

I hope my mom or dad dont come in randomly recording me in vr

[scarlet robin]

Especially if your playing Holopoint or The Lab, both of which will mean your either really sweaty or half naked and a bit sweaty

[cyan drum]

lol

[strange tusk]

anyone thinking on getting fallout 4 vr?

[opaque slate]

doesn't have a vive
wants FO4 VR

muh

[devout mist]

played fallout 4 vr for about an hour and a half now. Game is really blurry

And it still has the same issues the original fallout 4 had with dialogue obviously

But seems like it will be pretty fun

Not sure if it is worth $60, but I got it for free with the vive

[devout mist]

Forums had me disable high dpi scaling and then run my monitor at a higher resolution. Helped slightly, but game is still a blurry mess

[dire monolith]

A livestreamer said he had to set supersampling at 5x

[full lotus]

5x

wtf

He should probably give NASA their computers back

[devout mist]

Might try that later

Right now I have my monitor at 5k, high dpi scaling off, and with or without taa it is really blurry

[full lotus]

How the f**k can you run the game at 5x supersampling without 10 titan V's anyway

[devout mist]

Maybe it isn't

And it just made him feel like it helped

Other people were saying the steamvr ss settings did nothing

[full lotus]

I was gonna say, thats the equivalent of trying to render FIFTY TIMES as many pixels

[devout mist]

wouldn't it be 25?

[full lotus]

yeah sorry brainfart, just got up and havent had coffee yet XD

but still, too many damn pixels XD

[devout mist]

Indoors it isn't blurry

But once you are outside, everything outside of a room's distance looks terrible

[full lotus]

I dont know how the steamVR supersampling works but i've got a 1080ti and with oculus I run 2.0 supersampling for not so demanding stuff and 1.5x supersampling for demanding games like lone echo et

I mean, its always going to look somewhat blurry, just cause of the actual res of the display

unless you mean it looks a lot blurrier than other VR stuff

[devout mist]

yeah in comparison to other vr stuff

[full lotus]

ah ok

[devout mist]

before I made any changes, felt like 240p

[full lotus]

yeah game issue then I guess

But hey its bethesda, I dont think they know what a finished product is

[devout mist]

game runs on the rift, but using the ui with the touch controllers is a nightmare

[full lotus]

Gotta meet those arbitrary release dates set by the suits, bugs can be fixed later right?

[devout mist]

or never fixed

[full lotus]

yup

[devout mist]

and left to the modding community

[full lotus]

dishonoured 2 I was super hyped for and it was unplayable for 2-3 weeks after release

[devout mist]

motion and general feel of the game is good so far

Well except the stars are below the clouds

And using big guns with one hand feels wrong

I've played up to where you kill the first deathclaw

dogmeat is still an idiot

and conversations are still bland

But those are problems with the base game too

[full lotus]

Im going to wait for it to get cheaper. I was never really all that into the base game so while VR will of course make it more enjoyable I dont really want to pay for it again at full price if I might stop playing after a few hrs

[devout mist]

yeah I don't really think I'd pay $60

But got it with the vive

Feel like they should have at least discounted it for people who own the original game

[full lotus]

Yeah it shouldve been a purchaseable add-on for the base game imo

[dire monolith]

That's the same for me :p

[full lotus]

@devout mist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybrgENAaaAw&feature=youtu.be

[dire monolith]

Game developpers should stop using TAA, it's the worst AA ever made. Everything is blurry AF, FXAA is way better even if it's a bit more aliased.

[sullen mulch]

FXAA is the the most common one

[devout mist]

@full lotus yeah I did all of that. Brought me from a 240p feeling to a 720p one

[strange tusk]

What graphics card and processor you using?

[devout mist]

1080 ti and 7700k at 5.1ghz

And 4x dsr on my resolution brings it to 5k instead of 4k

It is playable. Just the distance is a mess

And there is flickering that happens sometimes in game

Also sometimes there is pop in. Like the distance will just be white and as you walk forward it will show up

Happened inside of the building the minute men are in at concord

[full lotus]

Yeah from all the complaints its definitely an issue with the game itself not anyone's PC

[stoic geode]

@devout mist 5.1 GHZ

HOLY BALLS

[strange tusk]

yeah it's just the game

[full lotus]

@stoic geode about 25% of 7700k's will reach 5.1ghz

[stoic geode]

@full lotus huh i didn't know that

[full lotus]

4.8GHz - top 100%

4.9GHz - top 91%

5.0GHz - top 62%

5.1GHz - top 24%

5.2GHz - top 4%

And with a good motherboard, delidding, liquid cooling etc you can normally goa bit further too

[stoic geode]

nice

[devout mist]

Yeah I run 5.1ghz 1.42 volts no avx offset

In gaming usually stays low 60s or high 50s

[full lotus]

Thats a fairly high daily voltage though

[devout mist]

It is fine. If it dies then I'll have a reason to upgrade

It goes down to 1.408 on load

[full lotus]

If your temps are ok its fine. Its just that a LOT of 7700k's wouldn't be able to push that voltage unless you delid

7700k thermal performance is very hit and miss depending on how lucky you get with TIM application

[devout mist]

Yeah it is delidded. Cooled with a 280mm aio with noctua fans

[full lotus]

Ah that will be why

yeah that voltage is no issue if its delidded

[devout mist]

Silicon lottery usually recommends anywhere from 1.4 to 1.45 volts if you buy a prebinned cpu

[full lotus]

Yeah with decent cooling 1.45 is fine, but on a non-delidded CPU that could get real toasty

Im gonna miss my current 6700k when I upgrade

[devout mist]

Before delidding, I hit above 80C in games with only 1.28 volts

To be fair I also changed my fans and spaced out my front panel

[full lotus]

http://goldiefoxx.com/Fq458210.png

[devout mist]

So gains aren't all from delidding

Custom loop?

[full lotus]

4.8ghz, 1.38v, 23 deg under load XD

yeah, custom loop, delidded with conductonaut both Die->IHS and IHS->Block

[devout mist]

Yeah with an aio the water temps will be higher than that

But you have less radiator space most likely and it uses aluminum

[full lotus]

Yeah, but they do cost about 5x less so theres that XD

[devout mist]

Yeah. Every time I think of doing a custom loop, I find somewhere better to put the money. Storage, games, monitor etc

[sullen linden]

@devout mist 5.1 and low 60's under load? dam im 4.8 with about 73 under load w an evga 280 clc (no delid)

[full lotus]

http://goldiefoxx.com/discordinVR.mp4

[solid knot]

My 6700K hits 5.2Ghz but the voltage is far too high for my liking 1.38v is too much for me when at 4.5-4.7 I can run between 1.25v and 1.28v.

I delided mine and then glued the IHS back on with superglue.

Then had to redo it all so I took the IHS back off and replaced the thermal compound I used with liquid metal.

Yes, it is totally posible to recover after a stupid amount of superglue was used to glue the IHS back to the substrate.