virtual-reality

[serene stump]

Forgot the minion router is popular for the VR kit https://www.amazon.com/Davolink-Minions-Kevin-Wi-Fi-Router/dp/B0CJXZSLNM?th=1

[vast widget]

yeah, I think it's more expensive than the prism though

or it doesn't ship to where I am, I was looking at it before but decided against it for some reason

[serene stump]

Fair enough

also that was a more general statement for the channel

[vast widget]

ah, I see

[serene stump]

I assume you mean this one? https://www.amazon.com/PRISMXR-Streaming-Compatible-Accessories-Wireless/dp/B0CFDL5Y7F?th=1

It is certainly cheaper then the minion one

[vast widget]

yeah

The site says it ships worldwide (it doesn't), that's why I mentioned Amazon

[serene stump]

Fair enough

I assume facepads aren't compatible between the Quest 3 and 3S?

[vast widget]

I believe not

[serene stump]

That was to the chat in general

[vast widget]

I was looking for one and it said it isn't

[serene stump]

Prism has a bundle with a Quest 3S facepad lol

and yes I own a 512GB Quest 3

Prism lacks the 6ghz band it would look like

That may or may not be an issue dpending on how many wifi hotspots are around you in the 2.4ghz and 5ghz bands

[rustic garnet]

LMAO

[serene stump]

I ain't kidding about it being popular and recommended LOL

[spring ruin]

i just spent a bit of time in vr with menus and games and all and i took it off and now reality feel... weird

jesus

[serene stump]

LOL haven't got your sea legs yet

[rustic garnet]

after long lone echo sessions i remember wanting to grab and fling myself off of walls and such irl

and wanting to use my gravity gloves irl too

[serene stump]

LOL

[rustic garnet]

Sign of immersive game mechanics i guess

[serene stump]

Agreed

[spring ruin]

im sitting in front of my regular pc screen and it just wobbling

rather it appears wobbly

im not really nauseous in a traditional sense

like

the world feels

more 3d

[serene stump]

Yeah been there after a session of Borderlands 2 VR where the floor isn't even in the slightest in game

For aiming in BOrderlands 2 VR I just use the scopes since the crosshair in nromal view is no where where it should be

[native crypt]

Never done this I don't think, but in other games I sometimes try pulling up a finger camera (as if you are doing the framing motion). Only Resonite has that feature

I bet I've dreamt of doing it at least once

[serene stump]

LOL

[serene stump]

Ok that session made me sick to my stomach

And will the room stop spinning please

I assume I still need to tweak the settings to find the right ones for me in that game urk

[gloomy crater]

Welp, so much for "I don't need a Steam Frame, my Reverb G2 works perfectly fine, I can just continue using it until I eventually save enough money for a Frame, so I shouldn't stress about not being able to buy one on launch."

I think the Fates heard me say that, because today I decided to fire up my headset only to find that for some reason, despite it working just fine the last time I used it, my left WMR controller now no longer appears in my bluetooth connections list whenever I try to pair it to my computer. Every time I try to convince myself that I don't need a headset upgrade and can make do with what I have, the headset has a way of proving me just how terrible it is.

[haughty thistle]

Windows Bluetooth has always been kinda janky and problematic. Windows 10 & 11 just put a new coat of paint over the antient and issue-prone stack, and actually made it worse by doing so

It reacts especially bad to switching the bluetooth adapter on the same install. I've had my Switch Pro controller completely stop working on a Windows install just because I had to replace my mobo and didn't wanna re-install Windows. Literally the only fix was to start with a fresh Windows install...
Other issues include Bluetooth devices you can no longer un-pair/remove from the device list, or devices disappearing and you can't pair them again.
Not sure if there are triggers other then switching the Bluetooth dongle, but those were my experiences after that one mobo swap...

[gloomy crater]

Ok it would appear my janky headset gets to live another day

I had to go into my device manager and forcibly remove and disable BOTH controllers from both my device manager and bluetooth connection list and reconnect both of them again, and then unlock them with the oasis driver all over again (thankfully I didn't have to redo my boundary, that would have sucked) but now it appears that they are both working again

Still, it feels like I'm silently being pushed towards getting rid of this thing just so that I don't have to do half an hour of troubleshooting every so often just to use my headset 😭

[rustic garnet]

the cv1 driver crashes my whole pc on startup sometimes ..

doesn't even bluescreen just freezes

[deft horizon]

New Boneworks speedrun record! 7:01

[cedar belfry]

shit's worth more than my PC

[vernal wedge]

What are those?

[cedar belfry]

Vive 3.0 trackers

[vernal wedge]

Oh, huh, that's interesting. Haven't been keeping up with the new VR stuff.

[vernal wedge]

You weren't kidding

[cedar belfry]

shit's been around since like forever

2021

[vernal wedge]

By new I mean since COVID. I know of the Meta Quest 3 and the new Valve Index

That's about it.

Also treadmills

[cedar belfry]

I probably won't get a treadmill tbh

It's not a price thing, it's just impractical, not a lot of games support it and every game's controllers are different so

[vernal wedge]

It seems cool, but definitely pricey. They also have some issues. It will be cool to see it improve. On one hand it's great for someone limited on space, on the other hand that's massive for someone limited on space lmao. So it's for if you're limited on space in a singular room that you're not using for anything else

[vernal wedge]

That is fair

I really hope VR develops more

More games, connectivity, etc.

[cedar belfry]

slowly but surely

we have haptic vests too

tracked gun stocks (via vive trackers)

[vernal wedge]

Those sound cool. Same with the gun stocks. We're finally reaching the VR we saw in shows in the 80's, 90's 00's.

Not at the holodeck yet.

But we're getting there.

A long way from the fucking Virtual Boy.

[cedar belfry]

I think we've reached the pinnacle of mobile devices, like phones and tablets. There won't be any major ground breaking new things because it's matured so much

VR is slowly picking up traction but there needs to be more things to do

We've come a long way since 2014

[vernal wedge]

That's definitely true. As far as I know Half Life Alyx is still the biggest/best single player VR game like that. Like don't get me wrong, there's good games out there. Budget Cuts, Gorn, Blade & Sorcery, Boneworks, Beat Saber and then you have ported games like Fallout 4, Skyrim, Alien Isolation (which is technically a mod since they cut it). But we definitely need more. A lot of the biggest VR games are either closer to tech demos (as fun as they are) or been out for years. All of those games I either own or have on my wish list. I still need to get Beat Saber.

[vernal wedge]

That's definitely true

I remember really wanting a HTC Vive when it first came out.

[cedar belfry]

I'd be lying if I said I didn't like VR

Yes, the Galaxy Watch6 is part of my VR setup. It sends my heart rate to my VRChat avatar via OSC

[vernal wedge]

Damn, hell yeah. I only have the Meta Quest 3 right now. I will probably get the new Valve headset at some point. I haven't played most of the VR games I mentioned yet, I only got the Meta Quest a year and a half ago and I had a bunch of stuff get in the way so I was only playing normal games for the most part.

[vernal wedge]

How does that work?

[cedar belfry]

Honestly, VR probably won't mature for a longg time and I'm all for it. Chances are, if you want a new device or something you could probably make it

[cedar belfry]

OSC. I'm using a PC app called VRCOSC and using an app on the watch called Hyperate

On the avatar, it can receive OSC messages to update a shader or game object

[vernal wedge]

Ah okay. I've mostly only watched VR Chat videos, have used it once or twice.

[vernal wedge]

That's cool though didn't know you could do that.

[cedar belfry]

You can do a LOT with OSC

[rustic garnet]

awesome

[rustic garnet]

whatt thats awesome

[cedar belfry]

if you have an apple watch or sum, even fitbit you can do it

[rustic garnet]

i dont play much vrchat myself its just very technically interesting

what does it do to your avatar?

[cedar belfry]

changes a number on my avatar

RED_SIM shader

[barren zealot]

Oh i bet the amount of lighting sources on your avatar would crash an RTX pro 6000

[cloud temple]

if you have that many vive trackers.... you're into the NSFW VR stuff xD 100% confirmed. and are also a VRchat frequenter which, that alone also proves my point lol.

[cedar belfry]

whattt me? neverr

[golden spade]

Nice.

[real pasture]

rate my 1.42.2 setup

[cedar belfry]

im still on 1.28

we should like

get on multiplayer or something

[gloomy crater]

Huh. I didn't know Multiplayer still worked on 1.28. I was on 1.27 for the longest time, but then they ended multiplayer support for 1.27 so I updated to the newest mod stable version that was out at the time, which was 1.39. Hopefully I'll be able to go another 12 versions before having to update from 1.39.

I don't know if I could ever do multiplayer with internet people though. Too scared of being judged for my music tastes

[real pasture]

more and more maps require vnjs to properly enjoy them (1.40 feature) with maps containing v4 walls slowly appearing too (1.41 feature). just a heads up

[real pasture]

unless you update to at least 1.40.8, uh, no, sorry

you are running a 4 year old version with no support basically

[cedar belfry]

i JUST updated dw

[real pasture]

oh nice

[cedar belfry]

i should get back into vrchat so i can sit in front if a mirror wearing $1200 in vive trackers

[gloomy crater]

The only issue with updating Beatsaber for me is that it's not just a couple hours of updating my own game. It's also taking an afternoon to go over to my sister's house and update her game to the same new version, and then taking a weekend to drive across the state to my mom's house to update hers as well, which she plays on a Quest 2 so the process of updating is completely different for hers than it is on PC. So it ends up being like 3 days of work to get everyone's stuff sorted so that we can continue playing together every time an update is required due to feature additions or mod compatibility ending support.

[cedar belfry]

consider the following: remote desktop and then make 1 drive

Also, BeatTogether (mod) exists

[gloomy crater]

Yeah, Beat Together is how we play multiplayer. I don't think we'd be able to otherwise, what with using so many modded charts and being on different systems and such.

It's at least way easier to update, especially on the Quest 2, than it was back in the day. For me and my sister it's just making a new BSManager version profile and syncing all of the files, but for my Mom's headset, it used to take multiple hours of backing up old files and then deleting, redownloading, and patching the game. Now it takes like half an hour and it's fairly streamlined. The simpler solution would just be teaching them how to do it or walking it through over discord or something, but they honestly just don't trust themselves not to mess something up during the process in spite of its simplicity.

[real pasture]

beat together is so janky, mp+ has always been more reliable in every case

[real pasture]

same as above

yall should try that

mp+ does exist on 1.37, 1.40.8 on quest and on any pc version range from 1.34.2+

[real pasture]

oof that sucks

[golden spade]

What body trackers do you guys recommend?

[haughty thistle]

If you want the best in tracking quality: Vive 3.0 Trackers
If you don't mind a few firmware issues for a little bit of saving for similar tracking quality: Tundra Trackers
Not sure about the tracking quality of FluxPose, but those seem to be a pretty intresting option coming up, otherwise the default answer is Slime Trackers.

I wouldn't recommend anything outside of the 4 I mentioned. Older Vive Trackers (1.0 & 2.0) have terrible battery life, are huge & heavy. But they do still have the same good tracking quality, so they are an option if you find them for really cheap, it's just you might be better off with Slime Trackers in most cases 😬

[golden spade]

Yeah, just checked availability and prices, Slime VR it is.

In a couple of months.

[golden spade]

Probably more than a couple.

I want!

[real pasture]

you can also take a look at the butterfly trackers:
https://slimevr.dev/smoldc

[golden spade]

Those are the butterfly trackers.

[rustic garnet]

Wait you dont even need a headset ??

[real pasture]

these are also for pure mocap so yes

[rustic garnet]

Then how does the kinematics tree know where the origin is

[real pasture]

most likely they have their own system for all that

[rustic garnet]

no way theyre integrating the acceleration data that becomes way too noisy way too fast

Probably just assuming the feet are stationary then

[haughty thistle]

They're prolly gonna center the IK around the chest tracker if you don't have a headset

Makes more sense then centering around a foot

Chest or Hip is actually pretty common anchor point for IK animations

[rustic garnet]

But the chest tracker doesn't have absolute positioning

Also this is forward kinematics

If you have angles known and are calculating positions its forward if you have positions known and are calculating angles its inverse

[cold shard]

No, it's still inverse. IMUs produce relative cartesian coordinates and orientation, they do not produce joint angles.

[rustic garnet]

IMUs produce acceleration measurements

And angular velocity

[cold shard]

Which are integrated to produce relative cartesian coordinates. I've built written this kind of software before lol. Just look it up, there's bazzilion papers on the inverse kinematics models for IMU systems. It's inverse

[rustic garnet]

Which you can integrate to get relative orientation and estimated coordinates but they do not produce ground truth coordinates

im literally doing my degree project on this rn

[cold shard]

oof, and you aren't aware of this at this point? that's shocking

[cold shard]

this is why you perform SVD during a calibration pose to put all the trackers into the same cartesian space based on a human kinematics system. Then the calibrated cartesian coordinates of each tracker use inverse kinematics to produce joint angles

[rustic garnet]

https://docs.slimevr.dev/slimevr101.html

It literally says forward right there

Cmon

[rustic garnet]

You don't know what you're talking about

[cold shard]

oof, you got one-guy'd. That's not how 99.999% of IMU systems function
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-33021-7
https://opensimconfluence.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/OpenSim/pages/53084203/OpenSense+-+Kinematics+with+IMU+Data
https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/130808/1252627372-MIT.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
https://nmbl.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/An_open-source_and_wearable_system_for_measuring_3D_human_motion_in_real-time.pdf

[rustic garnet]

Ok but thats the OneGuy we're actively talking about

Just stfu

[rustic garnet]

Second result on google for "imu inverse kinematics" btw did you even read it

And this is a research paper from literally a month ago

So no it is not industry standard

[cold shard]

"this"? I listed three papers. Two are from 2021. This is the industry standard methodology

[rustic garnet]

this just means they're using a numerical solver for the positions

You actually didnt read these lmao

[cold shard]

I skimmed them to confirm that my understanding was correct, which it is. These papers very clearly describe inverse kinematic models. If you are failing to understand that, I don't really know what to tell you

[rustic garnet]

Show me where please

[cold shard]

good luck with your degree. I concede it's possible that slimevr has created novel approach to estimate joint angles and use a forward kinematic model, but that is not even remotely what is industry standard. I don't feel like reviewing slimevr source. code to confirm if some wiki page is even correct or just some misunderstanding. Papers for IMUs go back decades using IK

[cold shard]

Are you blind

[rustic garnet]

rude

If its so obvious show me

[cold shard]

I literally screenshotted one of the paper's model. That's why I asked if you're blind. It was half serious

and uhh.... yep it uses IK. The docs author was a non-dev volunteer contributor that just didn't understand the way slimevr actually works.
https://github.com/SlimeVR/SlimeVR-Server/blob/main/server/core/src/main/java/dev/slimevr/tracking/processor/skeleton/HumanSkeleton.kt

let me know if you find the forward kinematics

unironically though, I do love seeing alternatives approaches to this

[cunning condor]

how can I make my quest 3 collect as less data about me as possible and maybe secure it more to attacks etc.. ?

[zenith zodiac]

I would recommend using a fake account, opting out of as many things as possible and make up a reason your data can't be collected for AI

but it needs to be a good reason

also you can use a vpn, the ones that don't give you free Netflix are cheap, free or even self-hosted

[weak bluff]

The paid way is to buy enterprise version which does not collect data but it costs like $799 and mandates enterprise license

[zenith zodiac]

something tells me the enterprise license is a paid subscription

[weak bluff]

Oh and it's a 2 year subscription yes

Quest 3 is essentially cheaper because you are the product after all

[zenith zodiac]

at that point I might seriously consider the open source projects out there

[weak bluff]

Or Steam Frame

[zenith zodiac]

when it comes out

but honestly idk if I'll be able. to afford it, literally haven't had a job for some time

[real pasture]

if it still works on later software versions, private quest lets you set up your quest without a meta account

[cunning condor]

anyway to make that meta account do less tracking on you? I made a separate account just for my VR and disabled data collection options but not sure what more I can do..

[real pasture]

like i said, private quest lets you setup a quest device with no account

no account = no telemetry

[cunning condor]

oki

I’m not
super concerned as I play my VR once in a blue moon anyways and I have to manually setup my space again as I disabled the option for them to collect my spaces

[native crypt]

Only way I know is to block the headset from wan, blocking all related servers via adguard, pihole or other dns traffic filter

At least that's what I do with mine. If I block it from wan entirely though it will have more bugs with the UX so I'm just blocking servers

[zenith zodiac]

that's a little extreme but understandable

[native crypt]

The amount of pings it sends to facebook is insane. I had a chart with it at one point when I was running pihole

And that was it setting on the floor, idle

[zenith zodiac]

haha, I'm in danger

[native crypt]

#public-chat message

[weak bluff]

You could run it in dedicated router with no internet i guess

For a limited time it will work

[deft horizon]

https://youtu.be/-AZx01VvXaU?si=2_CooiJwtAziliLy

[native crypt]

I think I'll have to replay that once I get the steamframe

[gloomy crater]

I'm currently replaying Bonelab myself (Kinda sucks that you basically have to wipe your save in order to replay the campaign but whatever) I'd maybe wait until Bonelab patch 789/Boneworks 1.7 (they're the same patch but for the two different games, moving to a new engine for both, etc.) comes out to replay either one because there's gonna be a bunch of tweaks and stuff that should make physics interactions and player movement feel a bit better. Chances are good the patch will be out before the Steam Frame anyway, but some people are saying SLZ might be waiting to get their hands on the Frame themselves so they can bake some foveated rendering stuff specific to the Frame into the patch before it goes out, in which case it'll probably be a while after.

YOOOO I had no idea that glitching the gun by putting a mag in while ejecting it to get it stuck floating below the gun and then putting it on your back to make yourself fly through the air was an actual speedrun strat lol. Me and my sister found that bug by accident during the pandemic and then I totally forgot about it

[deft horizon]

It's a really good time saver on levels like Streets and Tower.

[native crypt]

Oh god.. I hope boneworks doesn't feel too different

I love that engine as it is, at least the physics. Also 2D nullbodies lame

SLZ could be waiting for the heat death of the universe though atp, their release cadence is worse than.. Hell basically any game, indie or not these days

[rustic garnet]

just like the real half life

[native crypt]

Remember when DeadFM was gonna be a thing lol

[deft horizon]

Yeah 😭

[gloomy crater]

DeadFM is still in production, it's just slated for release after B-Side

Hall of the machine King is the one I'd say don't count on it releasing in the next decade

[native crypt]

I was so excited about the studio man. Bonelab shattered any expectations I had for the studio. In the opposite way Boneworks did it

[gloomy crater]

Yeah I really wasn't impressed with bonelab, but it was mostly just mismanagement of expectations. To make a comparison, it's like expecting half life 2 and getting gmod instead

[deft horizon]

What's B-Side?

[native crypt]

Its not even like that, I understood that the game was going to be propped up by the modding community but the release of the SDK was just so limited. And still is.

[rustic garnet]

as in bonelab sucked?

I havent played it

[gloomy crater]

Originally, there was supposed to be one game that was both the story driven sequel to boneworks, and also a modding utility for allowing people to make stuff for the marrow engine, but when they realized it would be too ambitious, they separated that game into bonelab, which contained the modding platform centric stuff, and B-Side, which is supposedly coming out next and is going to be the story driven sequel to boneworks

[native crypt]

Yeah kinda. I like the concept, but boneworks already had the foundation for 80% of this stuff already

[deft horizon]

I'm hoping it'll be good. BoneLab I genuinely did enjoy. The story and all. I wonder how B-Side will tie in. And how all of it will tie into DeadFM

[native crypt]

The things that changed, graphical fidelity got lower and there's a proper SDK that exists from the devs and a body switcher.

[deft horizon]

BoneLab's story missions were more linear. Less open-ended than Boneworks's missions were.

[native crypt]

Which in itself eh. Its basically just a demo/tutorial for the body switcher and the default "forms"

[deft horizon]

Hoping they make some sniper stuff for B-Side or DeadFM.

[native crypt]

I just want to feel how I felt when I played Boneworks again

Sniper missions would be kinda sick though

[gloomy crater]

I replay boneworks once every few months or so. I find new stuff pretty much every time. But I'm weird in that I'll replay the same game over and over again just because the gameplay is fun. I've played a game called a story about my uncle dozens of times because the gameplay is simple and relaxing, so boneworks is just the fun game I play if I'm bored even though I've completed it multiple times before.

[deft horizon]

How about expanding the vehicle stuff?

[native crypt]

Meh. Maybe as an option, idk if I'd want it to be mandatory

Its about the physics mostly

I want physics based puzzles for sure

[deft horizon]

I would love that.

Maybe some that also involve timing (AKA utilizing the slow mo button?)

[native crypt]

Physics puzzles that include a vehicle? Also could be cool. I mean they did put that hover junkers thing in boneworks so

Maybe a level based on it that's not a racetrack lol

[deft horizon]

That eurobeat was bumping tho

[native crypt]

Don't remember. Don't really remember bonelab music as much as boneworks but I believe it

[deft horizon]

The track for the fistfight section... Absolute banger.

[native crypt]

En opera de ossium, perditus sum
Nulla molles accentus,
Nulla molles accentus

[deft horizon]

Isn't that from the throne room?

[native crypt]

Think so yea

Boneworks felt like less of a tech demo than bonelab tbh. Bonelab does have more polish sure but that's kinda what made boneworks so charming

[rustic garnet]

i just got annoyed at it tbh

like i never felt in control of my virtual body

[gloomy crater]

The bonelab soundtrack has some absolute bangers. Sucks so many of them went unused.

There's a track called take a ride that doesn't appear anywhere in the game but it's included in the soundtrack. It's one of my favorite tracks (along with fistfight fugue as mentioned) and I've been trying to compile a lyric sheet for it but some of the lines are really hard to parse and the poor interpretations in the comments section of the upload don't help in the slightest.

[spring ruin]

just got out of vr and this is the first time im feeling nausea

just a bit of stomach ache nothing too nauseating

[cedar belfry]

throwable tracker

[scenic linden]

how to make steam streaming mic work even tho steam streaming speakers are working, but when i connect trough meta link mic it starts to work

[serene stump]

Definitely an upgraded experience compared to stock strap and face interface

Kiwi faceplate and halo boost strap

[serene stump]

https://www.uploadvr.com/meta-will-learn-from-steam-frame/

[native crypt]

Oh im sure they will

[native crypt]

Man go develop headset ads or smth

[little ledge]

Heys, So I found 3d printable adaptors that allow you to attach the Vive Deluxe Audio Strap to a Bigscreen Beyond.
So I was wondering what the audio quality of that is like on that, especially compared to the audio strap from Bigscreen.

[sly river]

From what I've heard it's good but they recently stopped manufacturing from what I can tell and what I info I could prod from customer support

[deft horizon]

The lesson is: just make a good headset that doesn't have Meta bullshit

I know it'll be successful. Even if it's pricier than the Quest 3, a lot of people will think it's worth the extra cost to not have Meta. The full Steam support is definitely appealing, along with the wireless functionality (they include their WiFi dongle in the box too!)

[native crypt]

Controllers are a huge sell for me. Not having to worry about drift at all, extra inputs to play normal games in VR, swappable AAs and they track fingers.

But it being open really sells it for me

[deft horizon]

I forgot about the full finger tracking

Hopefully we get a game from Valve to demo it all.

[native crypt]

Well most can already be demoed tbh

[neat island]

yeah definitely, just grab some eneloops since those new controllers use aa's

[native crypt]

No current vr games will use the dpad so i wonder how thats handled though

[deft horizon]

That's good at least! So then you can use lithiums to make them last longer

[neat island]

yeah good call, lithiums should last ages in those controllers

[native crypt]

NiMH or bust

[deft horizon]

Maybe something a la Steam Input. Where 2 of the D Pad buttons are remapped.

[deft horizon]

Are there NiMH batteries for VR controllers?

[neat island]

yeah standard rechargeable nimh ones like eneloops work perfectly in them

[deft horizon]

Ah. Rechargeables.

[native crypt]

I have only ever used eneloop pros in my controllers. Rift s and quest 2

[deft horizon]

Lithiums have done me good when I used to have my headset

[native crypt]

First set of 4 lasted me 2 or 3 years

Im never using disposables if i can help it lol. Or its so low drain its not worth using a rechargeable in

Weve come a long way from rayovac. Not that youd know it walking into a walmart

[neat island]

yeah true, plus disposables leak way too often in nice gear

[deft horizon]

That's fair.

[little ledge]

ohhh I actually found this on the forum posted by brutalness. Someone made a kit to adapt the index headstrap to a bigscreen. I am for sure getting that!

https://shop.fluid.so/products/project-beyondex-mod-kit?pr_prod_strat=jac&pr_rec_id=ffea0f55e&pr_rec_pid=7653390712897&pr_ref_pid=7653455855681&pr_seq=uniform

[rustic garnet]

gosh that looks silly

the back cradle is bigger than the display

[gloomy crater]

Welp, an unforeseen life event has freed up $1,200 worth of money that I was planning on setting aside for something else, and I now have to decide whether to keep to my original plan of waiting until next year to buy a Steam Frame and use this money for other stuff in the meantime, or taking this opportunity to instead use this money to buy a Frame on launch.

How long did the controller/thumbstick issues last that were present on the launch index? I'm worried of buying a product on launch that hasn't been fully stress tested by the general population before I buy it so I may hold off on buying one for a few months regardless, but at the same time I'm worried that the chip shortage is gonna lead to scalping and Frames becoming super hard to get your hands on after the inital pre orders go out.

[native crypt]

Different tech for the sticks. They won't drift

Read and understand the specs because they are very good in comparison to a quest and index as far as the controllers go while being a similar form factor to the quest. Also more buttons but different layout than traditional and no top face touchpads

I have a lot of faith in this release having had a decent look at vr technology over the years. Not as decent as the people I watch use them or see reviews from but enough to think this is likely gonna be one of the best midtier enthusiast headsets if not the best if you are coming from standalone already. Assuming you used your steamvr games for streaming at least

My biggest concern is just the controllers layout. Others may be concerned about the OS it runs.. Who that may be idk but i think its a huge bonus.

[rustic garnet]

agree

i fear the presence of a whole gamepad will encourage abstraction of actions to just button presses

[native crypt]

Less concerned about that, not the intent of the buttons I dont think

They still gotta make it work with quest, pico, vive, index, bigscreen, pimax etc

Just the fact abxy is all on one side and I know some games use those buttons for specific hand actions

[little ledge]

oh yeah it is, i just weight the strap by itself and its almost 3 times as heavy as the headset by itself

[haughty thistle]

Makes it surprisingly comfortable btw

[little ledge]

I kinda thought it would too. Do you have one?

I ordered mine the moment I saw it

[haughty thistle]

I built my own before this premade kit was available, so mine's a little different to the one sold above (see pic)
Man, figuring out the pogo-pin situation was a pain, but the comfort was absolutely worth it. I assume the pico amp on the premade kit comes flashed with an EQ for the Index speakers. It's not quite as perfect as the Index (it misses some pseudo-acoustic stuff Valve did), but it's close enough that I'd play Beat Saber on it 😄

I used a Fiio BTR15, which can run the Amp off the internal battery, so that I can still use a Face Tracker on mine. Afaik other solutions (like the Pico Amp or the official Audio Strap) require almost all the power the Beyond's USB port has to offer, so using those with FT is unfeasible
Tho apparently there's some powered hub solutions specifically for the Beyond which allow for external power. Imo if you run a second cable, why not run a dedicated USB 3 cable for the Face Tracker

[young hedge]

how to make steam streaming mic work even tho steam streaming speakers are working, but when i connect trough meta link mic it starts to work...

[sly river]

has anyone here used the gripvr controllers they look like worse index controllers to me but are more expensive.

[sly river]

oh they still havent shipped after over a year

[serene stump]

BLINKS https://www.amazon.com/DualFast-Charging-Accessories-Balanced-Enhanced-Playtime-dp-B0D4TY7TYJ/dp/B0D4TY7TYJ?th=1

They seem to have released a new audio+battery strap

[little ledge]

wait those look bigger then knuckle controllers but they don't even have the finger tracking stuff? just a grip button?

[sly river]

Yup and only 1 they don't even have a squeeze like the vive wands either I feel like they need something else doe what they are

[rustic garnet]

Wdym

Which squeeze

[sly river]

They have just a trigger the vive wand has a trigger and a 2nd button that you can press by squeezing the grip together

[rustic garnet]

these?

It's right there

center frame

[little ledge]

yes

they are worse knuckle controllers and cost 100 euros more

idk why they are a thing

[rustic garnet]

Because knuckles are out of production iirc

[little ledge]

yeah but these where release in the summer of 2025

and i'm pretty sure valve has said they are open to handing over production of those products to a different company but that might just be for the base stations

[sly river]

Yeah almost a good product just twice the price they should be

[sly river]

They want to but they haven't found anyone yet also these don't ship untill next month

[rustic garnet]

Like am i missing something the grip button is in the exact same place as on all the oculus controllers

[sly river]

No these are a worse index controller for way more. They only have 1 back button that is the trigger while others like the index and vive wand have multiple

[little ledge]

I would actually not mind an oculus size controller that works with the steam vr basestations

[rustic garnet]

?? The vive's grip buttons are mapped to the same input

[sly river]

Like the touch thing down them?

[rustic garnet]

Yeah im not pleased with how fractured all these ecosystems are getting

[rustic garnet]

Wait which vive controller are we talking about

I'm thinking wands

[sly river]

Oh wait I read that wrong the grip squeeze is not the same as the triggers

At the base there is a button on either side that you squeeze the controller together

[rustic garnet]

https://www.vive.com/us/support/vive-pro-eye/category_howto/about-the-controllers---2018.html

Number 8

Yes

those are on/off switches

The wands like objectively suck

[little ledge]

Oh yeah even for the first vr controllers I never liked them

[rustic garnet]

The index finger tracking is awesome but this has parity with the oculus controllers which is what like every dev targets anyway

[little ledge]

I'm very glad I started out with a rift

[rustic garnet]

Me too

[sly river]

No they aren't they are just an extra input button

[rustic garnet]

very high quality product

[rustic garnet]

No i mean theyre digital

they dont give an analog signal either theyre pressed or theyre not

[sly river]

Yeah but it's an extra input for grabbing that the gripvr doesn't have

There is just the trigger there is no grab button on them

[little ledge]

Are you talking about the little click at the end on the trigger?

[rustic garnet]

Are we actually looking at the same picture

[rustic garnet]

Oh like the steam controller?

[little ledge]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure the vive wands have that too

[rustic garnet]

ive only tried them once like several years ago

[sly river]

Yes they just have the one trigger I was looking on the website

[little ledge]

Same, I haven't touched them in years

[rustic garnet]

Thats the trigger

[little ledge]

I am so confused

[sly river]

Oh they just don't have the buttons listed correctly... I'm just stoopid

So that's not as bad but they still need to be cheaper for what they are

[little ledge]

And smaller

[sly river]

They are $400 usd they should be priced more like $250 they should be shaper than the index was

[sly river]

I don't mind the size tbh

[rustic garnet]

theyre a complex product i imagine they dont have the same scale of operation as valve

[rustic garnet]

Yeah thats a question of ergonomics

[little ledge]

I don't either if they actually use the space

[rustic garnet]

for large hands

[sly river]

They already have a $400 controller that is way better tho it's the same price as their other lighthouse tracked controller but it's just worse

[sly river]

I gots beeg hands so I like the bigger controller

[rustic garnet]

https://en.shiftall.net/products/flipvr

These?

[sly river]

Yup sane inputs and they flip out of the way when you don't need them

[rustic garnet]

idk if you can judge "better" without having tried them both

like it having moving parts might make it more flimsy and such

sit less nicely in the hand

the expensive part is all the electronics and making the plastic parts not including a single steel hinge pin

So i dont find it strange that they're priced the same

[rustic garnet]

Battery life also

If you have to make space for mechanical parts you cant allocate as much for battery capacity

[viral jetty]

Is anyone using a Meta Quest 3S for PC Steam game VR?

I'm thinking about getting one for playing Superhot or something. I have a Quest 1 I was bought at launch having demoed Occulus Rift at an event and not having a console or PC I could run any games on at the time the idea of a standalone wireless VR console was amazing. But at this point it's old, pretty low res, and the neck and eye strain aren't worth trying to do anything with it. I'm hesitant to get another Meta anything but poking around online it seems like one of the main budget options. I recently built a gaming PC so I'm interested in it now for use with the PC and Steam rather than the stand alone console stuff.

[rustic garnet]

Steam frame soon

soon™

[viral jetty]

That's true although like the rest of Valve's hardware its only a legend until it maybe arrives someday.

[viral jetty]

Allegedly

[rustic garnet]

It's different with hardware to be fair

you cant just delay a hardware release after your manufacturer has already begun production

Well you can

But

ack

Either way i wouldn't buy a new headset until steam frame reviews are in

Besides the quest 3s is ergonomically not much different from the first quest

[viral jetty]

Unfortunate. Better screen at least

I was thinking of keeping an eye out for sales later in the year maybe but hopefully Valve will come through with some concrete news on Steam frame.

[serene stump]

I personally own a Quest 3

Also a a different headstrap then default goes a long way

Mine allows the weight to be spread around my head instead of just cencentrated to a small area

No idea about the default setup on the Quest 1

aka mine has an extra battery in the back adding weight and extending battery life

[fair spoke]

Yea quest 3 or 3S should be fine usually see something like 3GB VRAM being eaten up by the encoding/streaming to headset before even launching a game so do need to have some vram overhead for it to work well

Effectively it can work with 8GB VRAM but very likely need to go low settings for the graphics to keep everything in vram if have 10, 12 or 16GB GPU then can crank up some of the settings

@viral jetty ^^

[viral jetty]

Oh interesting. I think I have 12GB on my Intel Arc B580 so some to work with.

The original Oculus Quest (because they rebranded as Meta Quest but this was actually before that) is just all in front of your head in a single.

It seems a shame all the Oculus branding disappeared in favor of the stupid Metaverse push.

I have Oculus socks somewhere they were giving away at a convention I was at that had a Rift demo station.

I might have finally gotten rid of those actually they were toe socks.

Might be the weirdest branded give away item I've ever been offered.

Socks sure, but toe stocks?

[weak bluff]

Your GPU should be capable of AV1 codec and HEVC which should help making more efficient stream

iirc you need virtual desktop for AV1 if you want to try

I'm looking forward to Steam Frame foveated encoding for more efficient compression

[serene stump]

I need an extra 1-2GB ontop of what a game uses to make use of my Quest 3 for eaxample

[cedar belfry]

FUUUCKK

[cedar belfry]

Welp

This was the only reasonable thing I could do

[haughty thistle]

Ah, you got the special snow filter on your Index

[weak bluff]

A cable with too much responsibility (displayport) have power but it also means the cost of losing it (breaking) is a lot

I learned this the hard way on Rift S

So I bought non native headset

And compensated with everything else

I ditched AMD for Nvidia for better encoder

And soon ima get foveated encoding

[haughty thistle]

Index does have the issue of terrible cable routing. You kink the main tether every time you flip the headstrap up. The little section where the cable get's kinked is the #1 failure point on the Index cable

The G2 (with it's similar headstrap design) fixes that issue by not attaching the cable above the left speaker and only having a loose loop holding the cable in the back. That way the cable can slip through the strap as it's flipped up, rather then being bent in a very tiny radius...
Honestly, the design on the Vive Pro is even better, where the radius get's gentler as you flip the strap up, but as a downside, if you route it too tighly through the strap, the cable will be under stress in use, resulting in yet another failure point 😩

[weak bluff]

If I'm trying to design a planner obsolescence i will absolutely make a major failure point

[haughty thistle]

I hope the cable on the battery pack on the Steam Frame is gonna be user replaceable too. The battery pack sure, it's part of the user-removable strap, so it can be replaced, but it'd suck needing to get a new battery just because the cable connecting it to the HMD broke :/

In general, my hope for the Frame is that Valve applies their user-friendly repair design they learned with the Deck to all parts of the Steam Frame, and not just the controllers (where they already mentioned replacable batteries and sticks)

[sly river]

Yeah the batteries in the index controllers are the main reason I am iffy on buying a set of used ones they could be almost new and have almost no charge cycles or be almost eol and could stop taking a charge a week after I buy them

[haughty thistle]

Eh, don't worry too much about the batteries with the Knux. There's a high chance the USB-C connector would break away from the shell before the battery is so worn that the bat-life becomes unusable...

[brisk viper]

they added option in steam app to pair with steam frame!

[native crypt]

Rift S was my first and last display port bound headset. Unless its USB/Thunderbolt or wireless capable dont see a reason for it, unnecessarily mandatory failure point imo. BSB is cool but Frame exists in 2 years

I don't even have the same rift s I started with, i think I replaced both the controllers under RMA, headset itself too and still had to replace the headstrap, all within like 2 years

Staying amd though, encoder is plenty OK IMO and I'm one of the few dozen Linux vr users

[fresh prawn]

i got gifted a psvr2 because the tip of the usb c is broken and replacement cables are 130+ bucks
realistically can i just take the usb tip off and saughter a new one?

[native crypt]

considering you didnt spell solder correctly in the first place.. unlikely.

Its probably possible but itll take more skill than its worth

Someones DONE it but they likely had experience too

[fresh prawn]

🤷

[native crypt]

I mean hey prove me wrong, but USB C repair isnt an easy entry level

[fresh prawn]

beats spending 130 bucks on a replacement

[native crypt]

I mean yeah, worth at least a couple shots ngl, not like its not already broke
Especially if you already have the tools, its just my assumption you dont

[fresh prawn]

i probably do

[native crypt]

Probably lol

[fresh prawn]

i mean could i not technically just cut it and just solder the cables together of a new usb c?

[native crypt]

I don't believe so no, you'd want to do it at the very end after the controller board I think. I'm not sure if they use optical fiber or just copper

If its fiber and you cut the cable its donezo

No fixing that, good solder skills or no

[fresh prawn]

tinned copper

[native crypt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PSVR/comments/118pjpx/psvr2_cable_replacement/

[native crypt]

Reference image of their before and after

I cant help with the small details or anything but looks like they just removed the shielding from the tip and soldered a new connector there. I think you definitely need that chip on that board either way though, so replacing with a splice of a new cable I dont think is the way to go

[fresh prawn]

yeah

wait

lowk the wrong screenshot

but i can't replace the little board

so i have to solder a new tip in every scenario

i'll figure it out, thank you for finding that thread

[native crypt]

Good luck

[fresh prawn]

thank you

[fair spoke]

Yeah usb-C smd pads are super tiny, even with making boards at home just getting the PCB made without shorts is difficult. Is the type of thing needs to be checked with microscope likely not worth it unless already into making custom pcbs or losing some thousands of dollars device if it isn't done. If can replace the cable it's very likely the cheaper option in this case.

[native crypt]

I mean if it were C to C I'd agree but this is proprietary

Very well could be 5th try and still be cheaper.. Assuming you haven't burned the pads off or smth by then

[fair spoke]

And time valued at 0

[native crypt]

Suppose so

I mean not like you are making money with a Psvr2

Besides, that's like.. 16 hours at federal minimum wage (usd)

Before taxes

[golden spade]

Custom VRChat Model!

[rustic garnet]

is it just the outer metal part that's been crumpled up

[fresh prawn]

yeah

[rustic garnet]

?? Try bending it back into shape first

[fresh prawn]

the internals are like mashed potatoes

[rustic garnet]

So then no to this question

[fresh prawn]

oh

missunderstood it

no but i tried bending it

and fixing it

[rustic garnet]

Wtf happened

[fresh prawn]

my brother was playing with his ps5

and it fell

right on top of that cable

[rustic garnet]

into a trash compactor??

how the fuck

[fresh prawn]

😭

no clue

anyhow i got it for free

and they just bough him a new one

so i'd love to salvage this

[rustic garnet]

if the cable ends connecting to this board are fine it's doable to put a new usb c plug on there

Do you have any experience soldering at all

[fresh prawn]

not yet

[rustic garnet]

i dont think this should be your first experience with it

go find some local repair shop that does component repair

[fresh prawn]

i alredy made a call to a buddy of mine, i'll show him the vr tomorrow

just trying to see if i could do it by myself

[native crypt]

As someone who has finally done their first and second successful controller stick replacements as of last year, definitely build some skill on test pieces first, and get the right tools

[rustic garnet]

Get flux

[fresh prawn]

i'll eventually get to it

[fresh prawn]

?

[rustic garnet]

Yeah you should not attempt this

[fresh prawn]

alright

thank you all

[native crypt]

A high air pressure fan with a carbon filter or vent outdoors/away from you to keep lead/flux fumes from being inhaled, a good tube of flux (think chipquick is a good brand), leaded solder will be easier to work with, solder wick, and my personal recommendation is a pinecil and a couple tips like TS-KU (IMO short tips are more comfortable), ugreen (or LTT) USB cable with a USB C Power Delivery charging brick rated for 65w or higher, copper sponge and a pair of helping hands. Thats basically what I recommend starting with for tools if you do want to get into repair either way. I just advise against doing this as your first repair before you can confirm you actually.. have enough skill. And watch a lot of videos on it, figure out how to tin, keep your tip clean and tinned.. And these are just the tools I use, there might be a better iron to get now than a pinecil, I just like how they do things over there

It looks deceptively easier than it can be sometimes, especially with shitty tools

[rustic garnet]

its so hard with shitty tools

[weak bluff]

You need micro soldering skills

Which needs a lot of practice

I tried myself even with some experience i still fail

[native crypt]

Lots of flux for sure

If I struggle to remove some solder I add more, counterintuitive but it helps the wick catch it

[clear cairn]

i am new to vr can any one suggest some games

shooter ?

[rustic garnet]

Half life alyx

[fair spoke]

Yeah half life still probably the best full VR game. Fan of the "I expect you to die" sort of virtual escape room game but fun environments and pretty calm/chill game. Beat saber good way to dip in without getting fully acclimated to VR and fun somewhat aerobic exercise.

Oh in shooters "super hot" pretty fun too world only moves when you do but strategy shooter

[real pasture]

beat saber also really good for amazing lightshows and vivify stuff (visual part of beat saber is also a fun part of it, especially with the latest osts)

[fair spoke]

If you hadn't noticed already majority of the games you can preview first too which is good to make sure the game doesn't make you super nauseous right away, but takes probably a few weeks of using VR on and off to get "VR legs" where no longer get motion sickness feeling except maybe in extreme cases. Good to try stuff for few minutes and take off headset when start feeling woozy at all let yourself "reset" then try again. Once get used to it problem becomes in VR for so long the headset gets hot and starts cooking your face.

[sly river]

The VR metro game is really fun and the moss games are really cute as well

[brisk viper]

forefront VR is great

it’s got large maps, active players, regular updates and is fun

• attack helicopters and tanks

[native crypt]

SP Shooters: Boneworks, Bonelab (if you liked Boneworks.. more modding focused though), Vertigo Remastered less combat focused, more exploration and world building but a great game imo, Vertigo 2 has more combat though I'm struggling to enjoy it as much, Into the Radius is a good survival shooter that recently got a sequel, Tales of Glory 2 is mil themed but more satirical, Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades

MP Shooters: Escape from Tarkov is basically your Call of Duty title and multiplayer only I think, No Mans Sky is a dated but decent enough experience, Rumble is a multiplayer game where you can basically earthbend using different combos of movements and takes a bit of skill, Contractors, Zero Caliber (2) and Onward are military themed shooters

Melee combat: GORN is old but gold, Tales of Glory looks pretty budget and is satirical but I had a lot of fun with it, Blade and Sorcery apparently just got flintlocks you can imbue with magic and has good mod support

Rhythm: Pistol Whip is a more tailored experience without mod support but very satisfying, Synth Riders has a good amount of gamemodes and a ton of community songs, Beat Saber, Audica is sort of Beat Saber but with guns and less songs, Thumper is a game where you are basically a beetle on a rail and you are fighting gods or something..its good

Misc: Wanderer is a decent puzzle escape room game, I Expect You To Die fits there but its a seated experience, Budget Cuts is a stealth game focused on puzzles with portals and scavenging and an essential imo, Skyrim VR while old still holds up and has really good mod support, basically any SKSE mod works in VR as well but I recommend having experience modding before doing all that, STRIDE and STRIDE: Fates are Mirrors Edge style games where you do lots of parkour and a bit of shooting, Preydogs UEVR can make any Unity Engine game work with a headset

Lot of my favorites or at least notable mentions over the many games ive played.. I love Distance as well, kinda like doing parkour but with a car. Nitronic Rush is its prequel and isnt on steam (yet..?)

[haughty thistle]

My personal favourites remain Red Matter 1 & 2. Both are puzzle exploration games with a story line that continues from 1 to 2 (so best play them in order). 2 has some mild shooter elements towards the end, but nothing too crazy...

[native crypt]

Somehow I still dont have the first one

Maybe because I wanted to play it with wands or something lol. oh sick it actually uses your controller model

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, when I first played RM1 I did so on Vive Wands, but they later made an update that fixed Knux support (they now behave as CV1s, but have a proper custom model). Did a second playthough to try that out and also get all the achievements 😄

that reminds me, I should prolly do another playthrough at some point

[sly river]

finally got an index to upgrade from my vive. itll be so nice to have better controllers

I just now need to decide if I want to get something like the facefocusvr for eye and face tracking or if I want to wait because eventually end game for my vr setup is a bigscreen beyond as the headset

[balmy lintel]

There’s a portal 2 VR port, it’s pretty fun if you don’t mind the jank, but if your new to VR you may not be accustomed to the odd frame pacing that comes with these types of ports

[rustic garnet]

And portal specifically can be a motion sickness nightmare even on flat screens

for some

build up to it

[balmy lintel]

Fair

I’ve been doing VR for years so I’m basically immune to motion sickness now

[sly river]

i've never gotten motion sick in vr other than starwars squadrins how anyone thought that was a good idea for vr beats me

[sly river]

Does anyone else have issues dining cables short enough for the battery pack straps? I know for the 3.0 trackers they aren't really necessary like it was for the 1.0 and 2.0 ones but it's nice to have for when I forget. I just keep killing cables by hitting them on stuff or when I am laying in bed

[rustic garnet]

could probably get something like this?

[sly river]

Maybe if there was an a to c but it isn't perfectly aligned

[rustic garnet]

Do they need to be perfectly aligned

[sly river]

Depth wise the usb a on the strap sits a couple cm deeper than the USB c on the tracker

[golden spade]

Not my best decision.

But I'm excited anyway.

[rustic garnet]

I say it's a good decision

[cloud temple]

This may be a random question, so im playing with my PSVR2 hooked up to my pc via the official sony adapter box. Headset works. Controllers pair-ish. I bought this cheap asus bt adapter so i can pair them. But tbh its kinda rubbish, anyone know a better BT usb adapter ? 5.4 bt maybe or newer/higher ?

[blissful isle]

😎

[native crypt]

I mean I wish I had them

Giving up on lasers

[cedar belfry]

fuck the bigscreen beyond I WANT THIS
https://youtu.be/wMKCUU5VWI4?si=agXr7Vnn2KxfVp3h

[haughty thistle]

I've read plenty of reviews that say that thing should've stayed a prototype or smth

Apparently Pissmax Crystal Super isn't just better in the specs, but actually more usable

[cedar belfry]

i dont really like pimax because it's huge but for me personally FOV isn't much of a concern

i prefer refresh rate over resolution

[haughty thistle]

The Somnium is one of the biggest headsets on sale right now, even dwarfing the Crystal Super tho

[cedar belfry]

is it smaller than the index? this is what im mainly comparing to

[haughty thistle]

Nope. Bigger. Much bigger

I'm not sure I can find the picture again, but I saw someone post a picture in another server with the Somnium next to a crystal Super, Varjo Aero and Index, and it was the biggest of the bunch...

I have a Varjo Aero, and it's already on the bigger side of what I'm personally willing to put up with...

[cedar belfry]

in the pictures it looks quite small

but in fairness it has a lot to offer so id expect it to be bigger

[haughty thistle]

To be absolutely fair, every headset has it's trade-offs. For me personally tho, after having used a Varjo Aero as a daily driver for 2 years, I'm done with large heavy headsets. Anything over 700g is too heavy. And that basically includes everything that's native Lighthouse tracked except the Beyond rn

A well balanced 800-900g headset might not feel bad for the first few minutes, but an hour in you will absolutely feel the weight and it will be getting uncomfortable

A big size will only emphasize that, as the weight is further away from your face, so swinging your head around is also a big no-no with these

[weak bluff]

Not to mention somnium the company behind is a shady crypto metaverse company that i don't know what could get accidently signed up for

Just late last year they attempted to contact multiple vrchat artists and when they got rejected they tried guilt tripping those artists

[cedar belfry]

that's shitty and i wont support that but on paper the headset looks really good

[weak bluff]

Sigh there are great headset on paper but sometimes you don't realise whats wrong until you wear it

Its common regret with HTC and Pimax headsets

Decagear is such a good headset - on paper (does anyone remember that anymore lol?)

[haughty thistle]

Ah yes, the Scamgear
I get that there was actual intend and goodwill behind the project originally, but at the price, it was never gonna happen...

[rustic garnet]

Lmao

[gloomy crater]

So am I understanding this correctly: the Dongle that the Steam Frame comes with creates its own Wifi 6 Network that it uses to stream to the Frame, even if you yourself don't have Wifi 6 internet? I ask because I currently have Wifi 6 at my house, but am going to be moving soon and am going to have to downgrade my internet and likely lose Wifi 6 in the process, so will the Frame and its Dongle still be able to work at max speed even if you have regular 5G? Or will those streaming speeds only be possible if you have Wifi 6 coming in?

[uneven charm]

Wifi 6 is part of your router, which should be separated from the modem in most setups...

of course some internet plans come with a modem-router that handles everything for you when setting it up...

[rustic garnet]

The dongle is p2p as far as my understanding goes

[native crypt]

I imagine its like an Archer USB dongle but with less setup

And less flexibility for that matter but I guess we will see

But no, you do not need a WiFi 6 capable router, the dongle will handle that

[little ledge]

Just finished putting the beyondex together. It is unbelievably comfortable

[rustic garnet]

That looks lovely

[little ledge]

it's genuinely amazing. I forgot how nice it was to not have the speakers right on your ears and it feels a lot nicer to put on or off.

I got the kit from https://shop.fluid.so/

[haughty thistle]

It's 6GHz Wireless that it uses, not Wifi 6 (which is 5GHz)

There's two ways Valve could've tackled this, either they started with a bog-standard Wifi 6e protocol and then modified it just enough so other 6e capable devices couldn't see it (i.e. what Nintendo did for the Wii U Gamepad protocol), or Valve could've made their entirely custom protocol that is acting within the Wifi 6e bands. However given how it's illegal in some jurisdictions to just do willy-nilly stuff within the 6Ghz bands allocated for Wifi, I think the modified Wifi 6e case is more likely... 2.4GHz is an open band in all countries, while the 6GHz bands are only open in some countries and hard-allocated to Wifi in others...

[cedar belfry]

may i introduce you to this
https://www.studioformcreative.com/product-page/bigscreen-beyond-interface-x1-b-elite-kit

[little ledge]

lol yes I have seen those. I ordered some other stuff from them and I thought I ordered that cushion too. but my dumb ass just ordered the replacement padding for it and not the actual plastic bit that connects to the headset......

[cedar belfry]

it's fiinee

[little ledge]

though I'm pretty sure the universal fit cushion from big screen should start shipping pretty soon. but they have been saying that for like 6 months now lol

[junior raven]

Ooooo cool~

[haughty thistle]

Beyondex 2e + X1-B is peak VR imo

Yes, the FOV doesn't rival headsets like the Pimax 8k X or similar, but man... the comfort is just peak

[cedar belfry]

working on creating a better camera system for vrchat

[hollow coral]

Just needs eye tracking, and then they'd be perfect for pc gaming 😋

[cedar belfry]

how tf are you planning on getting eye tracking in such a tiny footprint

[hollow coral]

It's called technological advancement >.>

[cedar belfry]

the smallest thing with ET right now is the bigscreen beyond

[hollow coral]

A man can dream 🤷‍♂️

[cedar belfry]

yoink
privilege revoked

[hollow coral]

Keep dreaming 🤭

[haughty thistle]

There are sunglasses with eye tracking hardware inside, which are used for research purposes in real retail stores. Tho those have very unsigtly arms and stuff sticking out, just to get the required distance on the cameras to do the eye tracking properly...

lemme see if I can find a pic of one...

Ah, nvm. last time I've seen those been a while...
But you'd still have the issue that the ET hardware on these takes up the space that is already used up by the screen and lens assembly on these wearable screen glasses. But even if you had eye tracking in there, the actual usability of these for anything outside of gaming and "movie" watching on the go is questionable. an FOV of less the 80° is questionable for VR use-cases. Not to mention the translucency of everything dark

[hollow coral]

Noted 👌

[little ledge]

You made your own beyondex right?

[haughty thistle]

Yupp. Used a 3D printing service to get the adapters printed, then soldered my own cabeling for the speakers. The only thing I'm not super happy with is the headphone jack I ended up with, but that one's on me. I wanted to use a Fiio BTR15 so it's internal battery can power the amp and the Beyond's USB power is available for my face tracker. It's unfortunate that the BTR15 uses a 4.4mm balanced jack, and there's barely any options for those

[serene stump]

Trying to play something like this in VR has me going NOPE https://store.steampowered.com/app/3554630/VMX/

Steam

VMX

• VMX utilizes advanced VR controls and a custom physics system to deliver precise, true-to-life bike handling. Tricks are performed entirely through your physical gestures, creating an authentic and immersive riding experience that mirrors real life.

  …

Price

$13.49

[little ledge]

would it be ok if I dm'd you about some more details. I am not super happy with the audio quality of the version I have so I thought I might try your way

[little ledge]

oh I am getting that right away. just because I wanna know how they did the steering. I've played around with steering wheels in vr before but they never feel nice because you don't actually feel the wheel

[serene stump]

VMX utilizes advanced VR controls and a custom physics system to deliver precise, true-to-life bike handling. Tricks are performed entirely through your physical gestures, creating an authentic and immersive riding experience that mirrors real life.

Is what they say about controls

[haughty thistle]

Sure, but what you can do regarding the audio quality obv. depends on what amp you have. The Picoamp has other capabilities then my BTR15 and so on 😄

[haughty thistle]

[cedar belfry]

that's just insane

[sly river]

wow that is a big difference lol. I am still debaiting on planning an upgrade to bigscreen or not

[native crypt]

More like yes

[native crypt]

Didnt you just upgrade? Or still considering

Yeah 2 weeks ago lol

Ain't my money. Wish it was I guess

[native crypt]

[LVRA] https://wiki.vronlinux.org/

Wonder if that's windows or linux being run on that

Might be the only one for a long time running that game in that config

[sly river]

Index was more of a stopgap upgrade I wanted index controllers and something other than my vive and someone had a basically new index full kit for like $500 so I got it

I am mostly deciding if I want to kit it my index headset with face and eye tracking or wait for a bigscreen then get the eye and face tracking for that

[native crypt]

Im no financial advisor but Id probably do the latter

I mean babble is babble but eye tracking is another story

[sly river]

That's what I was thinking but I'll see because there is now a full face and eye tracking kit for the index for $160

And a babble is only $100 which is nothing compared to a bigscreen 2e

[native crypt]

You know my stance on the whole thing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/870437077727195166.webp?size=48&name=steam&lossless=true

[sly river]

I am loving the index but my pc can barley drive it in linux sadly if I get a bigscreen I'll have to turn the resolution down or upgrade again because I mostly play VRchat and any world with a video player kills preformance

I'm still figuring it out

[native crypt]

ProtonGE RTSP just got an update

[native crypt]

And if you are using steamVR.. refer to that. Actually refer to it anyway if you havent

[sly river]

I tried it it didn't hurt but it didn't help some worlds are fine tho so I think it has to do with the video player used

[sly river]

oh I know its one of my bookmarks

[cedar belfry]

ETVR?

[sly river]

Face focus VR

It sold out on first round of pre-order and next one opens in like 2 months so I gotta wait on it

[cedar belfry]

really

[soft horizon]

Interesting, I have no issues driving a Quest 3S with ALVR in wired mode with a 5950X and 7800XT

And iirc the resolution is basically the same

Nvm, it’s actually quite a lot higher on the quest. However, I mostly play Beat Saber, but I also played Half-Life Alyx at Ultra at 120FPS

[real pasture]

vrchat is like the heaviest VR game possible, try running it in lobbies of 10-20 people for real world performance and 30-50 for maximum stress

[golden spade]

Yeah, I got 60FPS on my 9070XT.

In VRChat.

[soft horizon]

I have done that once and yeah 60 is luxury

[real pasture]

i only get 60+ fps when im by myself in a highly optimized world

🥲

[cedar belfry]

i can reach 144 in most situations, full lobbies and all enabled avatars

[rustic garnet]

good for you ...

[cedar belfry]

IF my render resolution is set to 100x100

[sly river]

Yeah VRchat is the issue beatsaber it runs fine but I don't play a lot of beatsaber most of my VR time is in VRchat

[rustic garnet]

Beat saber runs good on anything

[sly river]

Yeah fair

[golden spade]

I need to buy Beatsaber.

[sly river]

its fun and there are a lot of great comunity maps

[cedar belfry]

which community are you talking about

[sly river]

beatsaber

I play mostly custom maps

[cedar belfry]

yeah yeah i get that

acc, speed, tech, challenge, ranked, etc

there's like a million sub communities

[sly river]

I know I mostly just scroll beatsaver for maps myself

[cedar belfry]

i just install better song search

do you have beatleader or scoresaber?

[sly river]

ah I need to mod mine but since I am in linux it feels like it would be a pain

[cedar belfry]

so you're just a player, you're not really part of any corner community

[sly river]

basically I just play whatever I find

I want to mod it so I can stream it to my friends with my vrchat avi and fbt

[real pasture]

if you do end up playing great community maps, i highly suggest this playlist
https://beatsaver.com/playlists/739639

[cedar belfry]

my USB controller is having trouble keeping up, wouldn't know why

[sly river]

Lol I bought a pcie one and use extentions so the dongles can be infront of my case they seem to work better it also helps I have like 5 front pannel 3.0 ports

[cedar belfry]

I'm about to do a board and case swap I swear

Currently running ITX

[sly river]

Ah im running in a tower 500 so all my "rear" IO is on top which also helps

[cedar belfry]

isn't that case like a million dollars

[sly river]

No it was like a couple hundred

[cedar belfry]

maybe I'm thinking of the wrong case idk

[sly river]

It's the thermaltake case that looks like a fish tank

[sly river]

Also since you have a lot of trackers you would probably know is there bad wireless interference with that many I have 4 now but I am thinking about doubling and a had a friend tell me when you have more than 5 of the vive trackers you start to get interference between them

[cedar belfry]

the way i have it set up, I haven't noticed anything

just space them out

[sly river]

Okie I will probably start getting myself a few more then I kinda want some elbow and knee trackers not that I do much more than just movies in VRchat atm

[sly river]

Also cute avi btw

[cedar belfry]

thankiess! roadie by skamps

[sly river]

Ooh nice

[cedar belfry]

im getting these tomorrow, can't wait

[sly river]

Ooh those look sick

I'm glad to finally get index controllers it's so much nicer than the vive wands

[cedar belfry]

the vive wands suck ass

[sly river]

Yeah I was stuck with them for a about a year but recently got myself a used index

The index controllers are still the best ones imo

[cedar belfry]

real

[sly river]

Other than the battery issues

[sly river]

Am I good to add you? You seem cool and I'd like to hang in VRchat sometime

[cedar belfry]

i don't play vrchat much

[sly river]

Oh okie

[cedar belfry]

ill do bs tho

[sly river]

Ooh I wanna get multiplayer setup on that

[rustic garnet]

The vive pucks have one receiver each right?

that feels like a really impractical design decision to me

[cedar belfry]

yeah

[rustic garnet]

didnt linus have trouble with like this exact setup

[cedar belfry]

the nekoreceiver fixes this

[rustic garnet]

neko .. 🐈

[cedar belfry]

that's because he's stupid and doesn't know how to do RF design

[rustic garnet]

a bit rude

How do you mean

id think most of the rf engineering goes into designing the pcb and such but what the fuck do i know

[cedar belfry]

the reason that i spaced them out the way i did is because it's 2.4GHz, and you generally don't want them all crammed up against each other, things WILL get weird. It also helps to change the channels of them, so they don't interfere with each other

[rustic garnet]

https://youtu.be/we7PysQbOvc

This was 5 years ago has there been a hardware revision since

[cedar belfry]

those are 2.0 trackers

[rustic garnet]

and yours are

[cedar belfry]

3.0

[rustic garnet]

Does the extra half inch really make all that much difference

[cedar belfry]

yes

think of it like a crowd of talking people and they're all talking at once. the closer they are, the harder it is to understand a single person. if they're spaced out, you can focus on a specific person more easily

[rustic garnet]

No i know

I just thought i heard the new ones were better at not interfering with each other

[cedar belfry]

i don't have 2.0s to test but physics can be weird sometimes

[fair spoke]

Yeah signals like other EM waves follow inverse square law so even a bit of distance change can be drastic fall off for signals/noise, GPS modules on quadcopters often need to be mounted as far as possible from other electronics even if it just means an extra cm or two of distance can be enough to reduce emi (radios for gps are on different frequency from the cam vid stream and radio control streams, 1.1-1.5GHz for GPS, 5.8GHz for video typically, 2.4GHz for control link).

[cedar belfry]

check out this shit

[alpine sandal]

i would guess its awesome for social games, but what about action based ones

are the joystick and buttons just an attachable thing

[fair spoke]

Can have both hands for hand things and joysticks/physical buttons for stuff like moving around or guns is just extra inputs you can map to stuff

Leap motion sensors can get individual digit tracking pretty good too but needs to be fixed location relative to your hands so gloves with sensors where doesn't need to be in view of any receiver is a nice idea

Would want em extremely breathable though my hands already get sweaty while playing even without gloves and I'm a skinny person

[fair spoke]

Need Johnny Mnemonic style with air gaps

Also ice-T for background technobabble

[rustic garnet]

Do they have any kind of feedback?

like even just vibration

[cedar belfry]

yea!

[cedar belfry]

gesture

and yea they're breathable

[native crypt]

Need

[cedar belfry]

you probably don't

[native crypt]

Yeah I mean Steamframes probably gonna be just fine for me. But doesnt stop me from wanting them

[sly river]

That's sick I want some now XD

[alpine sandal]

oh...

[cedar belfry]

that doesn't mean you can't add buttons though

you could make like, an insert for the glove and have it wrap around

this is more or less for game devs and mocap designers

[alpine sandal]

mocap designers makes alot of sense now

[cedar belfry]

I have a lot of cool tech and a shitload of XR/VR equipment. I actually use quite a bit of it for productivity

[cedar belfry]

I didn't buy this mouse for shits and giggles, I actively use it for macros and automations

Tomorrow I'm getting a streamdeck XL

[sterile coyote]

Nice.

[upper prairie]

Has anyone else had this error with ALVR before? It's the only way I can use my headset and it's started coming up with this error every time I launch SteamVR and try connecting my Quest 2.

[fair spoke]

Means some other process is bound to the same port looks like windows dialog (not on Linux) that right? Should be able to use netstat in admin command prompt or can search for how to check for process bound to port in power shell, once have the PID can see in task manager or task list what is currently using the port and either kill it off/terminate the process or decide what to do from there.

If run this in command prompt should show you the process ID/PID

netstat -aon | findstr :8082

then: tasklist /FI "PID eq THE_PID_YOU_SAW_ABOVE" to see what the process executable is bound to the port, you can then use task manager or taskkill /F /PID THE_PID_HERE_AGAIN to kill that process or see if it has a parent process that spawned/maintains it and kill that off

[real pasture]

the fix is to let alvr unregister its driver every time steamvr shuts down, as the steam client has decided that its gonna hog it now, and that makes alvr fail for some reason (it keeps thinking steamvr is still running despite that not being the case, and a byproduct of this is none of alvr settings will apply in that session)

[upper prairie]

I figured out that it works every so often, I just have to restart it a few times and it’s stable once it starts successfully

[fair spoke]

8080 is pretty common as alternative to using port 80 for web service things to bind to (so don't need admin for the process to use the port, below 1024 are admin/system only) 8081 or 8082 sometimes used to avoid port conflicts with other common stuff, but broadly speaking OS typically only allows one process to bind to a given port number on a given IP (associated to an interface)... sometimes things will be setup to take "next available" from 8080 going up too it just depends on what's in the service's code... haven't used ALVR but broadly speaking the port binding issue is generic

sounds like some process must be hanging in the background and still holding the socket/port open but hard to guess without running here and digging in more

[neat comet]

so i havent played vr in about 5 months.... busy busy.... same settings, checked everything, why is steamvr using drastically more idle vram even with home disabled than before?

im hitting 90+% usage both vram and overall on my gpu in contractors, and i used to hit maybe 70-85% max in the main menu room, and 6-7gbs max at HIGHER settings.

so.... has something changed to make steamvr an even bigger hog in recent updates?

i had everything tuned to maximize performance and visuals in every game, now it feels like i have about 40% less power to work with in the same application.

it SEEMS like the steamvr runtime doubled its performance impact, leaving alot less room for games to utilize hardware.

im NOT upgrading my gpu to get the same experience i had last year in the same games. atleast give me some incentive, not the opposite.

like im all for having to upgrade because some new technology or feature, or something.... but it kinda feels like theyre stealing your performance and selling it back to you with alot of "feature" updates that nobody asked for

[rustic garnet]

Check render resolution

[neat comet]

oh i have, 2008x1989 per eye.... exactly the same as i had that speecific game running before, but it was maxed out with way less vram and overall usage. now i have to decrease settings to get worse performance.

tried a few others, my hardware usage is way over the stable with overhead i had running buttery smooth 5 months ago. even games that never updated like the forest. so it has to be steamvr

i have non dynamic per game settings, so its not a change in mathmatical scale.

and desktop games remain unaffected, so that leaves steamvr or virtual desktop as the culprits

neither of which i changed settings on, but updates may have broken settings or added features i dont need.

its not that i cant play games.... its that i really dont like seeing 2-3gbs of vram usage in steamvr non-home grid enviroment... thats not right.

i heard motion smoothing, despite me using a quest device can still consume more vram than usual lately... and haps is having problems again.... for awhile i heard haps was essential for vr in windows 11 now, but is it encountering the same problems again with windows updates and vr?

i should upgrade my gpu when it makes sense again, but i shouldnt be having a worse experience with the same hardware in the same game 3 years later. XD

with no updates

ask for literally nothing: recieve software handicap

[rustic garnet]

haps?

[neat comet]

gpu scheduling

its on because windows 11 benefits when it doesnt have bugs, but im wondering if it can cause vram issues yet again years later

in vr specifically...

[rustic garnet]

Have you not used the kit for three years

[neat comet]

no, about 5 months... but general usage and vram has gone WAY up under the same scenario.... i didnt change anything before playing said games, aside from steamvr and vd updates

thats why i assume the only changes made must be the culprit somehow

im sure i can figure something out.... ngl tho, i always spent alot of time tuning my games and vr setup to maximize... so this is undoubtedly extremely irritating. id expect this upgrading and pushing the limits, but not to have the same experience but worse XD

big straight shot to the nuts when ram prices are rediculous, and both gpus and ram are high, yet the same old games require MORE of it for no reason XD

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-frustrated-mad-upset-gif-17923398

im hoping its just some stupid setting i missed that got reset

i dont want things to just run and work at a high res, i prefer to maximize clarity and distance in vr.... its kinda what makes the experience, so its something i hate to compromise on when ive already had it working for years.

[dusty escarp]

Vr hardware requirements are so whacky

[neat comet]

yea, they keep getting higher for the same games..... like im NOT upgrading because the runtime became less optimized forcing me to have a worse experience in a game i played 4 years ago lol

thats redundant..... that forces me to spend more to maintain 0 benefit.

what about new vr games? to play them at what i consider to be acceptable levels you need to have over 20k in rainy day money.

[rustic garnet]

yeah we get it

[neat comet]

considering your name youre also not forced to respond

all things considered i think you can agree its pretty jank still.

have a lemon to sour your bitters

[rustic garnet]

It is

[rustic garnet]

What's that supposed to mean btw

[neat comet]

words formed into a random sentance XD

[rustic garnet]

oh like tin can has so much sentiment

Idk try rolling back virtual desktop

Check the encoder settings

Gpu driver version

[neat comet]

yea i think i should again, some encoders really suck and im sure i didnt change it, but i could be mistaking h260 codecs

and not seeing the obvious

[rustic garnet]

Refresh rate on the headset?

[neat comet]

theres alot of gpu driver version issues too, i havent updated but that could ALSO be the problem yes

[rustic garnet]

they added 120 hz support right

[neat comet]

90hz, i dont go beyond because that has issues.

[rustic garnet]

Though that probably shouldn't increase vram

[neat comet]

vram being huge, capped at 90 its smooth, 120 is minimal in comparison to 60-90

when you run so much random new tech like trackers, vr bridges, new runtimes that run over other runtimes to work with the game and the headsets os..... on top of homebrew and other tweaks.... updates really get you in a pinch

they dont account for eachother

my refusal to update nvidia drivers is probably a key component now that i think about it, but id better check steamvr forums for the rec version, and vd.

cause the newest drivers were HIGHLY reccomended against

same problem, high temps, overvoltage and high usage.

man, i thought of all the not obvious problems, but im now realizing i havent checked my driver version or been notified in a long time... maybe i accidentally updated to the card crippling driver.....

30 series issues

aaaaaaand you were right!

i had it suspended, but it unsuspended itself as i never shut my pc off

gotta rollback

i had it locked at 566.36, and yea it was not and it runs better now lol

caught my attention with that because i remembered i wasnt harassed about updating for months. so obviously it was updating without my knowledge.

it was current date drivers, nty.

thanks, i didnt think of that

the answer was in plain sight

[cedar belfry]

aint no way

[haughty thistle]

Do you by any chance have HAGS enabled?

[sly river]

Me when I want to watch YouTube in VRchat

[rough pelican]

me when i play vrchat

[cedar belfry]

no

[haughty thistle]

"only" 33W and 43W on your 2 GPUs? What kind of GPUs are you running?

[golden spade]

Only 28% usage?

What GPU do you have?

[rustic garnet]

47 fps too

[weak bluff]

rather, what CPU do you have

it can be CPU bottleneck

[native crypt]

I mean 85°C isnt fantastic for under 50% workload

[rough pelican]

i have an rtx 3060

[rough pelican]

i run the 3060 wich is the top one
gpu2 is the integrated graphics
and i have an intel i7 12700h

all this in a 14/15 inch laptop

[rough pelican]

may have found the limit

jeez

[cedar belfry]

that's nothingg

[rough pelican]

i know lol

[soft hound]

VRChat can be.... rough
Highest I've seen was like, 54GB, but this is the only one I have a screenshot of
Nothing like seeing it eat over 40GB of RAM, and over 20GB of VRAM

[rough pelican]

what the frivk did you even dooo?

[soft hound]

An excellent question
I genuinely do not remember (this was years ago)
Probably at some big rave event with 60+ people or something

Nothing like loading 60 avatars + world into memory

[rough pelican]

idk when i loaded 57 avatars and furry hideout the max memoryy was around 20-23 gigabites

[soft hound]

Well yeah
VRChat has since updated the limits on avatars, so they can't exceed 500MB uncompressed size
Back when I took that screenshot there was just.... no limit
Avatars could utilize multiple GBs of memory alone

That image was from 2021

[rough pelican]

okay maybe yes? (i started playing on 2025)

[sly river]

most I have had was like 30 at a meetup of all the people who wanted to who use my avi base my internet couldn't handle it sadly

[cedar belfry]

what the fuckk

[weak bluff]

This is just limitation on all front

VRAM maxed out, cpu thermal peaked, single thread probably peaked

6GB VRAM is criminal

Use avatar culling!!!

[sly river]

Anymore I hang out with 4 or 5 people max so luckily it's a non issue now though I have been tempted to see how far my 7700xt could push in VRchat with a bunch of people

[rough pelican]

hmm

i narmally hang out with 2 ppl max

[sly river]

As we watch youtube and stuffs and just hang out and talk mostly it's nice

[rough pelican]

but sometimes when avali meetups are happen i go right away

and there like 15-30 people with kinda big avis

[sly river]

Yeah

[weak bluff]

hide avatar that are too far from you

[rough pelican]

who are you sayin this to?

cuz yk

there are many ppl

after 10:30

of playtime in vrchat

mostly nonstop

because unity is kinda bad

memory leaks

[soft hound]

Eh, not necessarily the case
Entirely dependent on the world you're in, and the avatars currently loaded
A lot of people have no idea how to optimize textures to reduce VRAM usage in Unity
And with 6GB of VRAM, your laptop will effectively switch immediately to using RAM for textures, which can add up quick
I'm usually around 20-30GB of overall system memory usage while playing VRChat, since all Udon scripts, avatar components/controllers etc will load into there
VRChat used to suffer from memory leaks (like with my screenshot earlier), but I've found it to be much more reasonable nowadays

[rough pelican]

well in my homeworld

with this avi that i use

when i log in its around lik 5-6 gb

of ram

and the more i play the less fps i get

i still think that its memory leak, but it could be anything

then

[soft hound]

I'm not sure if VRChat has since changed how memory clearing works, but it used to be that any avatar that got loaded into memory would remain loaded, even after the person changed out or left, and wouldn't clear until you changed worlds either once or twice
I do believe they made it clear sooner, but there still might be previously loaded things in memory
Try hopping to a couple of different lightweight worlds, and see if that clears out the memory or not

I might do some experimentation with this next time I'm on, though I usually only stay for a max of 3 hours at a time, not 10.5

[rough pelican]

Well

I went into like 8 different world but the memory did not clear

[weak bluff]

thats why i said use avatar culling

it auto hides for u in certain distance

[rough pelican]

Yea

I was using it but I had problems with it

[weak bluff]

Lol

Vrchat is giving anti unoptimised avatar enforcement

[native crypt]

Lol. Yea show my avi as a bitcrushed piece of shit, please so i don't have to use my optimized avi

Latter parts a given NGL.

Oh yay also means when i update my textures I don't have to bother with my optimized one gg

[cedar belfry]

i might have to do something about my 300k triangle avatar

and also because my avatar will happily eat up a whole gig of vram

[haughty thistle]

[weak bluff]

Use texture compressor it will significantly reduce vram usage without quality reduction

It will however not reduce triangles

[haughty thistle]

As long as tools like these do sensible things like texture atlasing and packing, I'm fine with these. But I have seen tools that reduce download size only to blow up the avatars per frame performance cost significantly by doing funky compressions which are then decompressed in the shader per frame. It's improving the apparent performance rank by actually doing the exact opposite

Same thing goes with these "avatar protectors" that randomize vertex positions and fix those up in a shader, terrible performance impact, and whatever "protection" those introduce are relatively easy to reverse. Ya got the key right inside the shader or network synced over OSC

[swift timber]

I just jumped in on the vr stuff and bought a quest 3.
Now i am looking for a good vr link cabel.
But when i google i find 100 of cabels from cheap to expansive.
Any recomandations.
I want to use it mostly for vr sim racing.

[haughty thistle]

As long as it's 5m and USB3, you're good. Pretty much all the 3rd party cables you'll find are all copper, so not really much differentiation other then cable surface and some might use different gauge wire (thicker cable = lasts longer; thinner cable = less stiff)
The official link cable is expensive, but it's also using optics for the data side, so the cable is rather thin and still lasts longer then most third party solutions.
Last thing to consider are power injection cables, if you wanna play for longer then say... 3-4 hours in one session. Those take power from an external powerbrick to charge your Quest while in VR. Most PC USB ports don't deliver enough power to cover the entire power draw of the Quest (some do, it's really draw of the luck)

Ultimately, you have decide what kind of cons you're willing to take up on...

I'm sure most people only ever tried one or two cables, so you prolly won't find any comprehensive comparison lists out there. The cable I have is from Kiwi design. It seems pretty decent quality, comes included with some cable management clips, but is also on the thicker side of cables

[little plinth]

All that fancy shit just to be tethered when a cheaper wifi 6 router is better movement wise

(Can still charge with a power bank)

I know it sucks because I used to run power injected cable

Wifi all the way

[haughty thistle]

I do agree that Wifi (using Steam Link or Virtual Desktop) is the preferred solution... that is assuming your budget can account for a dedicated Wifi Router. I'd prefer a cable any day of the week over sharing my Quest Wifi with other devices

[golden spade]

I use a WiFi 5 router for my VR stuff.

[little plinth]

With how expensive good link cables with decent distance and power injection are...

Routers are pretty cheap

Reminder that you don't even need full routers, wireless access points are cheaper

[haughty thistle]

You can get a good cable for like 30 bucks, meanwhile any router that isn't just an old hand-me-down (and thus free) is at least 60 bucks or more...

That differrence on a budget can mean one or two games more or not

[golden spade]

I mean if they paid for a Quest 3 they can probably afford a cheap router or access point.

And get some actual maneuverability.

[cedar belfry]

call me weird but i prefer tether

[golden spade]

Weird.

[real pasture]

not alone

i mean, i do have a good wifi setup, but id rather use VD for wireless rather than anything else, and because i have a rooted quest3 perma stuck on v78... yea cant use it

thanks meta for allowing apps to force you to update your quest fw

plus i like how many options ALVR gives you

[lime token]

It sucks that Meta forces apps to require a recent version of the Quest OS when they release an update

Its the whole reason why VD can't support old versions of the Quest OS

[native crypt]

I'm still on like v73 on my q2 lol.

Only use Wivrn which does have a crashing issue I'm sure is totally unrelated

[native crypt]

Apparently freexr redistributes the VD app so updating is unnecessary

yes you still need to pay the devs to use the app

Their github repo has a link to the community if you wanted to check that out (ALVR is good too of course)

[real pasture]

im also aware of that, however i already find ALVR to work quite well and if it aint broke dont fix it

[soft horizon]

I also use ALVR on Linux with a wired connection to a Quest 3S that has been completely cut off from the internet.
To update ALVR I can also just use Sidequest or the like, but ALVR gets updates very rarely

[real pasture]

or adb install alvr_client_android.apk

[soft horizon]

ohh yeah and I think alvr does that on its own as well

[real pasture]

true but i never trust it does lol

[golden spade]

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[haughty thistle]

Just send the Trojan/RAT/Token-Stealer directly. Would have a higher chance then whatever this is...

[golden spade]

They got hacked!

[soft horizon]

They are aware. It's a joke

[golden spade]

I was continuing my original message.

[soft horizon]

Ahh ohh I see lol sorry

[golden spade]

It's alright, makes sense you saw it like a response.

[deft horizon]

I miss my Quest 3.

[cedar belfry]

the bigscreen beyond and bsb2e are so unbelievably shit

[haughty thistle]

I like my Beyond 2e

[rustic garnet]

say whaaaatt

[blissful radish]

How many VRs is too many

[real pasture]

999

you can set up so many lan parties with these, provided they all work
or your own vr arcade

is that an aero and vr-3? or are they both aero's? (two headsets on bottom right

[haughty thistle]

That looks to be a VR-1 or VR-2 on the right with an Aero next to it. Varjo only used a completely flat front on the VR-1 and VR-2, tho I'd lean with this one towards VR-2, since the first one had a more mirror-like finish.
The VR-3 had sensors on the front for the hand tracking, which the Aero lacked, hence why the one next to the (probably) VR-2 has to be an Aero

So many Pissmax headsets tho. And you can't really tell them appart at a glance. One has a Vive DAS strap, one has a fabric Strap, one has no strap and the rest all seem to have DMAS or KDMAS straps...
But nothing too unusal... except the StarVR One XT 👀

[cedar belfry]

@rustic garnet
I don't like the IPD adjustment, the software is half-assed, I don't like that it's max refresh rate is 90hz, OLED is dim regardless, the ET doesn't work half the time, the quality control is absolutely shit, the support team blatantly lies to the people who bought their product, they didn't specify that the halo mount was a pre-order

My right lens came with a scratch or a nick, and it's annoying

Since the headset is so smol, sometimes tracking is an issue

loosen the headstrap too much? oops! unplugged headset by accident (audio strap)

[blissful radish]

Varjo Aero and VR 2 Pro. I have a VR 3 coming though

[haughty thistle]

Oh, they absolutely did say the halo-mount was pre-order. Tho I did follow the Beyond 2 since it's announcement, but haven't kept up with it since I got mine

And to be absolutely fair, I don't even have their audio strap. Their audio solution just never interested me with it's on-ear headphones (I despise on-ears with a passion)
Production defects happen, and everyone will get at least one product with a production defect sometime in their life. No QA is perfect

[cedar belfry]

nowhere on the website did it say that

[cedar belfry]

No QA is perfect, but if you actually look at what people are saying in their community, and it's basically the same thing, "x thing doesn't work" or "came defective" it becomes pretty clear that Bigscreen doesn't care

[haughty thistle]

Remember, someone who's had a bad experience is much more likely to speak up then someone who's had a good experience...

I do concede that the small size of the Beyond does pose challenges for tracking. But be honest, camera based tracking has it's own challenges, and you'd want at least 4 cameras on a headset for that... which the Beyond doesn't really have the space for in it's current form-factor (it would have to be bigger for cameras)

Do I agree that they stuck with LH tracking? Not fully. While I do appreciate the seemless integration with the Knux and trackers, it's size is really pushing what you can get away with in a headset, and probably even too far :/

[rustic garnet]

you need like a tiny hex key to adjust the ipd right

The refresh rate and dimness are limitations of current oled technology no? or at least limitations of the off the shelf components that are available iirc

or were at the time at least

[rustic garnet]

theyre a very small and very new company

[rustic garnet]

the first one not having any ipd adjustment was so egregious

[cedar belfry]

yeah and i cant get the left side to catch at all

[cedar belfry]

yes and no

i think it's a time-based thing

[haughty thistle]

The 2 is really what the 1 should've been tbh. They did minimal changes to account for customer feedback and this they could push it out so quickly.
The SeeYa panels are prolly the biggest issue with this headset, but all uOLED panels which solve these issues and/or go higher res are way more expensive and/or came after the original Beyond launch.
Pancakes will always drag down panel brightness significantly. A theoretical maximum efficiency is at around 12.5%, plus you have to keep in mind that the duty cycle on the panel drags down the brightness even further, so suddenly a panel that can output 4000nits doesn't seem so bright through the lens. But this is an issue with all pancake headsets that aren't using an LCD with an omega bright backlight... And even on those the brightness might seem limited compared to say a PSVR2...