virtual-reality

[little plinth]

and VD detects the link speed at like 1.2Gbps

so i just use 150mbit HEVC

instead of 400mbit + H264+

[wind egret]

Can anyone remember what Facebook event was going on when surprise Valve dropped their VR announcement? Feel like it was about 10 years ago

[sullen linden]

a

[lime sparrow]

hey i need some help with something specific. i have a HTC Vive 1.0 base station and the diffuser lens fell out and i cant find it at all. is there any good alternatives that would work?

[haughty thistle]

Diffuser lens? You mean the black translucent front piece or the actual fan lens on the rotating mirrors?

[lime sparrow]

If you open up the base station and look at the rotating optical lens there is a white piece that helps the laser diffuse and actually work. On mine the Y axis one doesn't have its lens. And I'm wondering what would be a good alternative for it.

[haughty thistle]

Ok, so it is the actual fan lens (calles so as it fans out the otherwise small circular dot from the laser into a line)
I don't think you can easily replace it with something else. The original one should be keyed and if you can find it, you might be lucky with gluing it back in, but people had mixed results with that

If that fan lens is turned just a tiny bit it can already mess with the tracking, hence why you want the one that was originally there...

[lime sparrow]

Yeah I assumed.. im probably gonna replace it with one on ebay

[weak bluff]

Opening base station is like opening a hard drive its easy to get damaged

[bold knoll]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/INIU-Virtual-Transfer-Separate-Charging/dp/B0BRQHN5MY/ref=sr_1_3?crid=397SE6RJITEZ0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.DLM24A8uJGkBI5KATTx3CrPi59yEDgJvyDK7pE-2puDl6FEBcj7bmixHe70IwF2zeXleuiF2VCvDuvNQ4R38Dh8lcCO0hL_XkYfmUJ8aAdFw5vR-d2XbCHhnSym_uPtim_MgzAD_9N4ytx-JL_HgGpV9WXUyeLMqZWgpR9SblDlAI9r24ZLSUS1zwDf-b1AUL3QxVod1AsxJVTDStnLa-EsuInvh6iSjLig6lJc0SKk.tcQjLMOGE78FzpCE8DSuiLO9CVXMvaul9n9n24CCpPs&dib_tag=se&keywords=iniu+oculus+link+cable&qid=1726410453&sprefix=iniu+%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-3 is this a good link cable for the meta quest 2?

[weak bluff]

it should be

[bold knoll]

u know any others?

[weak bluff]

A working cable is not expensive this should work

There are 2 main type of cable the fiber one sold officially by meta and some 3rd party is thinnest and copper one sold often by 3rd party

This i believe is copper

Copper is thick, will work fine

[rich sapphire]

Hey yall, just ordered a quest 3, My current PC is running a rx6800 Ryzen 5600 and 32GB of ram, I know AMD struggles with encoding compared to nvidia but would my PC be able to run PC VR

[next osprey]

Yes lol you should have no issue running vr

[rich sapphire]

Awesome thanks, Also would you recommend getting a link cable or would wireless sufice, I have a decent router but it wouldnt be dedicated to just VR

[next osprey]

I personally just like the reliability of a link cable

I would reccomend the kiwico 5 meter one, just cuz its worked for me at least. Also the kiwico headstrap and the amvr controller straps for comfort

[rich sapphire]

awesome thanks alot!

[next osprey]

No prob, I've had my q3 since it came out

[acoustic tide]

I like the AMVR facial interface personally, and yeah it's a little expensive but the Bobo S3 Pro was a real nice halo strap + battery pack that could easily be swapped.

[next osprey]

I havent bothered changing the facial interface on the quest 3, its good

[acoustic tide]

I really didn't personally like it, plus the AMVR one increases my FOV a little so y'know.

[solemn meadow]

https://x.com/Flat2VR/status/1835712757338976609

Flat2VR (@Flat2VR) on X

System Shock Remake VR Mod Out Now!

Experience one of the greatest, most influential games ever created in full 6DOF VR. Modder Ashok has worked hard on adding:

•🎮 6DOF motion controls
•🕹️ Motion controller gestures
•🧩 Improved object interaction
•🏃 Roomscale support &

Twitter · Sep 16, 2024, 4:10 PM

[next osprey]

Idk q3 one is good

[real pasture]

i also have a bobovr s3 pro, and its soo good, the fan on the front actually does help imo too

in thinking of also getting the amvr facial interface and knuckles-like controller straps in the future

the default facial interface isnt as comfortable imo

[next osprey]

The knuckles straps are so good, have been using something like em for at least like 2 years now

[rustic garnet]

wait you have a quest 3 why are you always trying to get steamvr running on the most anemic hardware 😭

[real pasture]

why not lmao

[rustic garnet]

i mean i guess

[tulip hatch]

so i have an idea for an ltt video;

xr headset, vs tv and/or monitor, vs projector (and maybe portable ie phone, portable display, laptop, tablet, etc);

with the assumption being its a single person's experience (if you want a group you could probably rent a local theater once a month at a certain point and get the advantages that come with that), and all of them have headphones for audio and you're comparing purely each price range to the best of each experience has and how well each compares at each price range in terms of quality experience;

maybe throw in monitors too, though obviously they would have an advantage over most tvs due to sitting distance expectations;

what i'm currious about is the rought price point atm where xr is superior to what you can get with traditional visual hardware;

it'd also be interesting if you factor in the specific advantages of xr like portability or motion based features, and/or the specific limitations like if you got an xr that's locked down vs open source xr options;

to me the biggest selling point of xr is stuff like a house full of monitors or the spacial aspect of xr allowing you to have lots of windows instead of 1 single one strapped to your face;

so i think it would be interesting to see the strengths and weaknesses of each kind of set up, and why people would want an xr depending on their use case;

you could even thow in used tablets into the comparison, since for the price you can get a really solid portable display nowadays for at the same or cheaper prices than most xr set ups;

i also think that it would show that xr isn't great because its the top experience on any 1 use case, but because its able to do all of those kinds of displays in 1 device;

[weak bluff]

ambitious but i dont think ltt take suggestions here

[next osprey]

Wdym anemic

[rustic garnet]

didnt you see this???

And the like

she tried to run beat saber on a school computer with like a kinect too i think

[real pasture]

yo guys have you tried out the Vaporeon headset on beatsaber?

its really good

[next osprey]

Ayo

[acoustic tide]

https://www.vive.com/us/product/vive-focus-vision/overview/

lmao, what a joke.

genuinely embarassing that the displayport mode won't be able to charge it while playing even.

[weak bluff]

lol

[acoustic tide]

like don't get me wrong, this might be an okay solution if it has pancake lenses, and you spend the money on spare batteries (which are $100 each) and the battery charging dock, and slap a vive tracker on the top of it to use it with everything else base station powered

[weak bluff]

but it has 2 USB c port

fresnel lens tho

im fine with it but still

[haughty thistle]

It will. The adapter kit includes a powerbrick

[weak bluff]

1.2k euro

[acoustic tide]

okay, well.

[haughty thistle]

It's not like the Focus 3 that required it's own dedicated PSU for the bats

[weak bluff]

where is the psu?

in headset?

wait they put PSU in back of headset?

[acoustic tide]

it's swappable batteries like the focus 3

and seems to use the same facial tracker too.

(not 100% sure on that one but seemingly)

I genuinely think this headset is still a hard sell.

[weak bluff]

um well if you see HTC history they often do this

sell a hard to swallow headset that is not bad but never good value

they never intended to sell a lot so might as well sell at high price

[acoustic tide]

if it was any closer in price to the quest 3 they could definitely argue more, but since especially the displayport cable kit isn't included (other then the pre-order promo) doesn't bode well for me even.

im sure since basically all the hardware is older compared to the competition it'll be fine on launch software wise

[weak bluff]

if they really sell it at price of quest 3 they will be always out of stock lol

they arent making many of them so they dont care droppign prices

they make money selling headset not selling games

[acoustic tide]

not at the price, but like- maybe 600-750 range?

[weak bluff]

well then they wont make much money

[acoustic tide]

and dammit man.. include base station tracking support.

[acoustic tide]

I know their money comes from actually selling units, not software, but at this point they need to rebuild brand value more then profit on another overpriced headset

[weak bluff]

no you misunderstand

their brand only has growing

they have nothing to lose

you think selling overpriced headset is bad but its not bad for HTC

[acoustic tide]

with products they don't want to support?

[weak bluff]

because they arent tryign to sell a lot

they are just trying to sell

[acoustic tide]

look, if it has a somewhat decent mic, ill be impressed.

[weak bluff]

their goal is to sell headset that makes money not sell headset to build market share

say you want to make headset to sell in market

you can either

1. Sell a mass market headset
2. Sell high end but high profit margin

well Pico tried 1 and failed

[acoustic tide]

keep talking i got things to do lol have fun

[weak bluff]

HTC, Bigscreen, Pimax are the 2

[real pasture]

if htc wants to be high end, why not use pancake and oled/micro oled?

[weak bluff]

Man i wish i know

Even their spec decision does not make sense

I guess because they are going to want to put weight in the back for battery so they want front heavy so fresnel it is

Fresnel is not that bad anyways

Because when LTT reviewed Vive Pro 2 they said HTC purposely added weight to balance so fresnel cooooould be intentional? For budget and weight reason?

[dense cave]

HTC has WiFi7 and Wigig 2 dev kits
They could have used that tech to make a wireless desktop VR headset with only 2ms latency(DP to slice encode streaming back to DP in hardware)
But nooo let's make a Pimax Crystal thing

[gloomy crater]

Hasn't the pimax crystal still not gotten the wireless it said it would when it came out, even after all this time? it still says on the product page that wireless streaming via wigig is still 'planned' for 'in the future'

I briefly considered buying the crystal because it's one of the few headsets with Aspheric lenses, but after tax and the face plate it needs to work with base stations it would have ended up being over $2k. Then they released the crystal light which got rid of a bunch of features and is available for cheaper, but even the lighter model is still heavier than my current headset. Just seems like an overall failure of a headset, at least in terms of price to performance

[pliant leaf]

How is the wield vr stock

[weak bluff]

at this point we need universal displayport wireless vr adapter

https://x.com/Ridge_XR/status/1833962437621788889/photo/1

Ridge (@Ridge_XR) on X

Over the past 10 months or so, I've been working on a Wireless Adapter/x86 Compute Puck for any DisplayPort headset, mainly the @BigscreenVR Beyond. It's not ready for release and won't be for a while, but it's good enough to at least show off a bit.

Twitter · Sep 11, 2024, 8:14 PM

this person is making one

and its quite awesome

there is video of it working in tweet

[rustic garnet]

How interesting

[next osprey]

Quest 4 better have displayport smh

[solemn meadow]

https://x.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1837202932594270434

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley) on X

VR games that have already secretly pushed Android ARM builds onto the Steam Store are ran via Waydroid (androidARM to LinuxARM)

VR games that do not have an ARM build on Steam (windows x86) are being translated/emulated via ProtonARM and FEX

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 6:51 PM

[weak bluff]

Could it mean quest exclusive on steam?

[solemn meadow]

deckard afaik

[weak bluff]

Valve is cooking everything for a wireless deckard

[mortal briar]

my quest 3 is no longer pick up the usb 3.0 on my asrock b550m pro4 it was before but i updated chipset could that be the cause or is there a fix ?

[mortal briar]

ugh so annoying why is it only picking up usb2

i wish i had a usb a to c

[high mountain]

what does this error code mean, it doesnt show up on google or sonys site as an error code

solved it

[mortal briar]

I got a a to c adaptor coming I think it's the cable so I'm going to get one from Amazon and not Ali express probably the cheap cables are not holding up

[little plinth]

Wew turns out even i get vr fatigue

Haven't touched my set in a while

Starting to get a little dusty

[pliant leaf]

whats a good q3 gun stock under $200

[iron scroll]

to my knowledge it's related to low bluetooth strength for some reason the controllers have really weak antennas

Does anyone know if it would be possible for a standalone headset to make its usb c port a dp alt mode compatible thing and still be able to retain normal usb data as well? I'd assume its possible because it would just act like how a monitor does that has a usb hub.

[cold shard]

Yes, but in such a case they would only have 2 lanes of DP. It would require multiple high speed switches to be in place to redirect the signals in the headset. If they bypass the SoC and switch the DP signal directly to the display, they would lose access to low latency camera passthrough.

[weak bluff]

If manufacturers add that capability yes. See pico neo 3.

[haughty thistle]

Nope. While USB-C was invented as both a client and host port, it was not designed for a device to act as both simultaneously on a single port. The only exception to this rule is USB PD, which can be active while a device is also acting as a host (example a docking station for a laptop; laptop acts as a host with DP/USB data while also receiving power through PD)

Unless you mean if a headset can receive both DP and USB data from a PC, in that case yea. If the headset receives a DP signal it act's as a client to the PC, hence why it can communicate with the PC, but it cannoth independently then communicate with other devices over it's USB-C port, as it's now in "client mode" so to speak.
If a headset has multiple ports tho, then ofc it can still communicate with other devices acting as the host. Vive's Focus 3, Focus Vision and XR Elite all have a second USB-C port for their face tracking module which'll still work, even if the headset is acting as a client for a PC...

(this also applies to PCVR streaming over USB btw and not just DP Alt-mode)

[severe veldt]

Has anyone got AVP working well with steam vr yet?

[weak bluff]

You can with ALVR

[severe veldt]

I tried that with Cyberpunk. It wasn't great. Is there a controller solution?

[weak bluff]

Yes. You can buy two Base station 2.0 and knuckles controllers

[cosmic monolith]

Hey guys, i heard the initial setup for the pimax crystal is not very fun, how bad is it to get started with using it?

[rustic garnet]

And these https://www.surreal-interactive.com/

[next osprey]

"and where did that bring you? Back to me"

[severe veldt]

I wonder if the quest pro controllers would work without a quest headset. They seem great with inside out tracking.

[next osprey]

Dont think so

[severe veldt]

Dang. Meta needs to get out of their own way. They should be pushing to make spatial computing happen, not worried about being the last man standing.

[next osprey]

Why would they make software so their competitors can take advantage of tech they made?

Thats just stupid

[severe veldt]

Correct. I may be stupid. But DBAA.

opinion disclaimer: my theories are my own and do not represent the views of third parties. they are formed by the mixture of my experience and my stupidity.

I think Meta has a problem. They've put in multiple billions into a PA and have yet to find proof that spatial computing can be comfortable enough for mass adoption beyond the most hardcore enthusiasts, and kids, apparently. At this point, they need Apple to succeed, and faster than they would on their own. A rising tide lifts all boats. And that my brother, aint stupid yo.

Thanks for attending my ted talk.

[next osprey]

"Spatial computing" is some marketing bullshit apple coined lol

[severe veldt]

nah. we were using it back in the day.

it isn't a new apple thing.

[next osprey]

Meta cares a bit about some mixed reality content but they mainly do gaming

[severe veldt]

Google called it immersive computing. same thing.

[next osprey]

I genuinely couldn't give less shits about "spatial computing"

[severe veldt]

👍

[next osprey]

A virtual keyboard is never going to be usable lol

Thats the end of it

[severe veldt]

Cool.

Do you work in the XR space?

Or an adjacent industry like gaming?

[next osprey]

What lol

[severe veldt]

Err let me rephrase

Do you currently make a living working on VR or AR tech?

[next osprey]

People are never going to be comfortable using a keyboard that isnt there physically

[severe veldt]

Or do you make a living in the video game industry?

[next osprey]

I do not need to have 10 years experience in vr making to have that opinion

[severe veldt]

Ya you definitely don't

I just wanted to know if others value your opinions on 'if spatial computing is possible' enough to pay you for them.

[next osprey]

Even apple in their infinite stupidity realized nobody was gonna use a virtual keyboard over a normal one and lets u connect a macbook keeb to ur vision pro

[next osprey]

Ok mr high and mighty lmao

Must be fun at parties

[severe veldt]

Dude. you called me stupid for floating an idea for controllers lol.

[next osprey]

I said the idea was stupid (for meta to do to be clear) not that you were stupid

[severe veldt]

Maybe being called stupid at parties is fun for you. But it is a symptom of why everyone thinks the internet is a dumpster fire. Because it is full of hot trash.

opinion disclaimer*

[next osprey]

I said an idea was stupid and now you are calling me hot trash lol

[severe veldt]

When you call people's ideas stupid, you are calling them stupid. I hope you learn that before it impacts your career.

[next osprey]

Its almost like a random fucking discord conversation isnt the same as a professional conversation

Crazy

[severe veldt]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I said the internet is hot trash.

I don't know if you're hot or not. It doesn't matter to the conversation.

[next osprey]

I apologize for having opinions you dont like

[severe veldt]

I don't dislike your opinions!

I just don't agree with them. That's ok. Try not to take people seeing the world differently from you as a personal attack.

Also, if people treated conversations with strangers more professionally. Maybe the internet wouldn't be as bad as we feel it is.

I'm trying my best to treat you professionally. With the exception of a few jokes I wouldn't throw out at the office.

But anyways. Off topic.

[severe veldt]

Ya. virtual keyboard doesn't work. I can think of at least 10 different solutions to text input that don't use the current virtual keyboard.

[next osprey]

You made snarky comments about if i specifically worked in the xr space as if i cannot have an opinion about vr without working in it, you insinuated nobody values my opinions, you insinuated i am hot trash, you made some weird comment about me being hot or not (???)

Like if you want to call me stupid just fucking say so

[severe veldt]

The question about the source of your opinion was legit to understand how seriously I should take them. The hot or not reference was obviously a joke. I sincerely apologize to you if I came across as snarky. I was trying to be real.

I don't think of people as stupid or not, and I dislike when people call other people stupid.

opinion disclaimer*

But back to virtual keyboards pls.

[next osprey]

I dont want to continue talking to you lol

You are snarky and insincere

[severe veldt]

Probably for the best.

If anyone has got qpro controllers working with other headsets. I've love to know how!

[next osprey]

Again, didnt call you stupid, i am saying that giving their tech to other companies would be a stupid decision

[severe veldt]

except for when it isn't.

[next osprey]

Not sure what you dont get there

You can disagree with that opinion sure

But dont claim im calling you stupid

[severe veldt]

I personally can't predict the future impact of a quick ramp up of apple in the VR gaming space would have on the industry overall. it could lead to meta earning quite a bit more in the long run.

if meta is bailing on the Pro line. they should open up their controllers like Google did with Stadia. Buy some valuable good will with the early adopters.

opinion disclaimer*

[rustic garnet]

mr computing/workflows are only ergonomically impractical without (currently) offering anything that can't be done with extra monitors but that's not an inherent problem with the concept

[rustic garnet]

this is really stupid what does it matter

[severe veldt]

I use a physical keyboard when I am coding on an HMD. I don't know why people would try to use a virtual keyboard for it.

[severe veldt]

They had such a strong opinion I thought they might be a VR dev. If they were I would have dug deeper into their prediction to try to understand it.

[rustic garnet]

who cares if youre a vr dev

apple and everyone else trying to push vr for productivity is gearing it for spreadsheet boys

(and girls)

or video meeting boys&girls

[severe veldt]

i mean. one problem with truly anonymous chats is that you don't know if a market prediction is coming from a high school student or an industry vet. so i kind of care before i change my opinions.

[rustic garnet]

Ultimately the user of a product should inform it's design anyway

the users are the ultimate authority

[severe veldt]

100% agree with you

but i wouldn't trust a user's guess that 'spatial computing will never happen because virtual keyboards suck'.

i would trust a researcher if they had solid arguements.

[rustic garnet]

that is reductive yes

But

[rustic garnet]

What does wearing a headset offer over having multiple monitors

[severe veldt]

Are you interested in my opinion on this?

[rustic garnet]

yes

Why do you think i asked

[severe veldt]

Sweet! I just said that for cognitive priming.

Alright. Imagine you are floating weightless in space.

Really put yourself there in your mind.

Let your body get into the most comfortable position.

Now magically create the highest quality display you can imagine. hdr. high refresh. fast switching. black blacks. stereoscopic. maybe varifocal. throw in eye and hand tracking.

now in your mind. position that monitor at the perfect distance, perfect size for comfortable usage.

layer on some stellar spatial audio.

Q: What does wearing a headset offer over having multiple monitors. A: The above experience.

[weak bluff]

It sucks to say this but that does not exist yet

There are different approach with various degree of quality

[severe veldt]

I'll be honest. This is my experience with a Lovesac Bigone and lightseal-less avp 😂

[rustic garnet]

That is not a use case

that's just

marketing speak

[weak bluff]

There is Quest 3 with improving productivity features but its a VR headset. There is Rokit which is expensive and worse specs.

[rustic garnet]

how does the quest implement this better than monitors

and importantly how does it help

how does it help productivity

[severe veldt]

After DK1, DK2, Rift, Quest2. I stopped buying Meta products.

[rustic garnet]

whatever

not important

[severe veldt]

So i can't answer your question about quest.

[rustic garnet]

how does an avp implement this better than monitors

[severe veldt]

Did you imagine the experience I described? imo that is a better experience than monitors.

opinion disclaimer*

[weak bluff]

I would wish to use headset for monitor but I do not want to use VR headset for that. It is like using Tablet as books instead of kindle or paperbacks.

[rustic garnet]

We dont have this experience tho

[weak bluff]

Its not great long term

[severe veldt]

I do?

[rustic garnet]

and what does it functionally offer that's superior to large touchscreen monitors

[next osprey]

For 3500 you could get a bunch of monitors and a computer

[rustic garnet]

"floating in a vast space weightless" okay pal with the 2kg headset strapped on

[next osprey]

With 2 hrs battery

[severe veldt]

Are you open to the possibility that you are completely wrong?

[next osprey]

Its an exaggeration

Though actually that is the average

So nvm

2/2.5 hrs

[rustic garnet]

I literally said i can understand the ability to have unlimited amounts of reposeable screens or whatever can be an advantage but the ergonomic implications right now are too bust to make up for it

[severe veldt]

The dongle battery allows any headset to temporarly become wireless. When I'm using it for work the battery is plugged in. They made bad design decisions, but the battery on the belt thing wasn't one of them.

imo*

[next osprey]

How do you even plug the headset into the wall actually

[severe veldt]

The battery has a usb c port.

You plug it in when you sit down at your battlestation.

[next osprey]

Oh wonderful you are degrading the battery the whole time

Unless theres passthrough

[rustic garnet]

never use the word battlestation again i beg

[next osprey]

Lol

[severe veldt]

I like to give Apple engineers the benefit of the doubt, and assume they are smart enough to make it pass through.

Also for the price, it better be.

[rustic garnet]

apple engineers are really good

factually

[next osprey]

Apple doesnt have a particularly good track record with batteries

I cant really find anything that says it has any sort of charging passthrough

That would be a toggle anyways

[severe veldt]

Sorry. You plug it in when you sit down at your skibidi desk.

[rustic garnet]

it got even worse!

[severe veldt]

go off king.

🙂

[rustic garnet]

that's not a skill issue tho

[rustic garnet]

or wait wdym

[severe veldt]

Ya I concede Apple might choose to make me replace the battery over time. Honestly I'm not too fussed about that issue right now.

[next osprey]

Ehhh i dunno apple batteries just have horrible degredation

[rustic garnet]

lithium cells will swell if you abuse them that's user error

[next osprey]

No battery passthrough on a $3500 device is a bit silly

Especially when you need the battery to use it at all

[rustic garnet]

idk why they would disclose that

[next osprey]

?

[severe veldt]

Being worried about batteries is like worrying about how many watts a 5090 pulls. Sure, its going to hurt your pocket book, but you didn't buy a 5090 as part of your retirement plan.

[rustic garnet]

apple doesn't like treating their devices like electronics

they "just work"

[severe veldt]

everything is a subscription.

with the exception of BIFL products*

imo*

[next osprey]

?

The battery is literally essential for the use of the device, its 200 dollars

To replace

They decided to not add a normal port

So you have to buy batteries

[rustic garnet]

i mean like

[next osprey]

Its an intentional design choice

[rustic garnet]

if i can add battery charging passthrough on an arduino project im sure apple will managae

[next osprey]

?

[severe veldt]

I don't think people buying a 'Pro' device are worried about $200 replacement batteries.

I wouldn't expect an SE device to have a $200 "most over engineered battery you've ever seen".

Assume we ever get an SE device.

[next osprey]

That doesnt make it ok lmao

[severe veldt]

I hope other HMD manufacturers go with the belt battery to get more weight off the head.

[next osprey]

Just because "oh if you can afford 3500 dollars its fine if you have to keep buying 200 dollar batteries"

[next osprey]

The issue with the belt battery is the cable

Easy to snag on when playing games

And thats not particularly comfortable either

[rustic garnet]

yeah sure businesses want to do maintenance and have downtime on their devices

[severe veldt]

That hasn't been my experience. But I've been using tethered HMDs almost exclusively.

[next osprey]

Having to wear a belt while playing plus extra weight on one side

.7 pound battery

They honestly could have fit the battery in the headset if they didnt use a shit ton of heavy metal

Its heavier than a headset with the battery built in

Without the battery pack

[severe veldt]

Why not have a light headset without the battery weight added back to it.

[rustic garnet]

Right this is what pisses me off

[severe veldt]

100%. Glass and metal for a HMD was horrid choice.

[rustic garnet]

About apples design philosophy

[severe veldt]

Hopefully they get it right on the consumer version.

[next osprey]

They didnt make it light tho

[severe veldt]

Agreed.

[next osprey]

Lmao i dont get why people are still using this defense as if they didnt clearly market it for consumers

They know people will buy anything they release

[rustic garnet]

right??

[next osprey]

Lol

[severe veldt]

$3500 was a "dont buy this v1 product" price.

imo*

[rustic garnet]

yeah sure guys professionals are the ones buying glowy fans

[next osprey]

Being expensive doesnt indicate who its for, the marketing is meant to indicate who its for

[severe veldt]

why can't pros enjoy color?

[rustic garnet]

missing the point on purpose i see!

[next osprey]

Why cant normies enjoy an apple vr headset marketed towards them?

[severe veldt]

imo. they were taking a page out of the HoloLens book. Apple just didn't want to call it a dev kit.

It is not a fully baked consumer product.

[severe veldt]

They can? Nothing stopped enthusists from buying the DK1.

[next osprey]

Well you said its not for consumers

[severe veldt]

I backed it because I wanted VR to happen. Not because I was going to make a product on it at the time.

I'll be honest. That was half the reason I got the brick heavy HMD. Voting with dollars.

[next osprey]

Was the dk1 marketed using videos of a family using it?

[rustic garnet]

the vp is much different from the dk1 are you dense

[severe veldt]

What does DK stand for?

[rustic garnet]

what does this mean

two can play

[severe veldt]

Why call me dense? Seriously. Who throws a shoe?

[next osprey]

Development kit... Aka not even remotely relevant

[severe veldt]

Basically I don't think their first product was meant for mass adoption. Just early adopters, devs, businesses.

opinion disclaimer*

I think Big Screen's HMD is better pound for pound.

[rustic garnet]

the bigscreen could be literal cardboard quality and still better by weight lol

[severe veldt]

cardboard is light. that's an advantage in value/weight comparisons.

though. google cardboard was a false start imo. people don't want to use their phones for VR.

[rustic garnet]

yeah and im saying the apple hmd is so monstrously heavy

[next osprey]

The vision pro is literally like double the weight of the quest 3 including the avp battery (which is necessary for operation)

[rustic garnet]

i think it pretty evenly split the people who tried it into those who could see the vision and extrapolate what the experience would be like with better dedicated hardware and those who dismissed the entire concept because of the faults of a literal milk carton

[severe veldt]

Agreed

So meowcat, did I convince you at all that HMDs can be better experience than physical monitors?

[next osprey]

Lmao

[rustic garnet]

lol no

[severe veldt]

lol dang. i tried my best.

[rustic garnet]

maybe in a future where they're actually glasses sized

[severe veldt]

Hopefully!

[rustic garnet]

hffggg.... Everything reminds me of horizon zero dawn ....

[severe veldt]

As long as the laws of physics don't turn out to be a bitch.

[weak bluff]

Its late but babble face tracker sale in on fire now

https://babble.diy/

[severe veldt]

Snap announced new AR glasses? Is there anything to be hopeful for?

[rustic garnet]

the snaptacles are back?

[severe veldt]

They went full cybertruck.

[rustic garnet]

HOW did they get spectacles.com!

single word dot com url

wtf is snap os

[severe veldt]

probably bought it through an alias corp.

I swear I had a pair of old 3d shutter glasses that looked exactly like those.

[rustic garnet]

oh yeah they look horrendous

[severe veldt]

Found them.

He thicc.

[weak bluff]

But what is that for

[next osprey]

Nvidia wanted to expand the ways in which they could extract money from consumers

Similarly to apple

[weak bluff]

Yeah but what is it's use case

[severe veldt]

The top one is 3d shutter glasses that allow you to play stereoscopic 3d games with an Nvidia card. The bottom is snap's new AR glasses.

[ashen sand]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[next osprey]

Why r u using vulkan lol

[severe veldt]

What's wrong with vulkan?

[next osprey]

Its experimental, aka less stable

[severe veldt]

ah

[next osprey]

He is asking about crashes...

[rocky spruce]

Has anyone overclocked the quest 2 or 3 in here?

[next osprey]

Uh why would you want to?

[rocky spruce]

Why not?

It will only improve standalone performance, so why not.

[next osprey]

Overclocking tends to significantly increase heat, and standalone headsets have pretty limited cooling capacity

I doubt overclocking would give particularly good returns too

[rocky spruce]

From what I've seen it can. At least on the quest 2. I have like 3 headsets, so figured I'd try it on one.

And the extra heat is minimal.

[next osprey]

I havent really heard of any practical usage of overclocking for standalone headsets

[rocky spruce]

Just wasn't sure if someone in here had any do's or months with their experience.

[next osprey]

Plus a lot of games have a capped framerate anyways

[rocky spruce]

If you use sidequest you can bypass that when oc'ing.

Again, extra heat, but not so much as to throttle

From what I've researched.

[next osprey]

I dunno, ocing tends to not be particularly worth it in general especially in recent years

Could be a fun little project mabye

Probably not particularly practical

[rocky spruce]

That's kinda what I had in mind. I enjoy tinkering.

Certain games saw as much as a 30% boost, like walking dead for one.

But again, only if using it as standalone, and not with link

[next osprey]

Walking dead looks and runs plenty good on q3 imo

[severe veldt]

Sometimes if the overclocking hacks are good enough. The manufacturer will release an update, like when the quest 2 got a refresh rate 'update'.

Which is the limit to overclocking I dabble in now. Whatever the manufacturer discovers are worth it.

[next osprey]

Quest 2 got a few performance upgrades in its lifetime

[rocky spruce]

True

[next osprey]

As they experimented with how high they could clock the chip

[rustic garnet]

how would one even do that

[next osprey]

Technically u can mess with it in dev mode

[ashen sand]

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[next osprey]

How?

[ashen sand]

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[serene stump]

Quest 3S leaked with a $300 price point apparently

[ashen sand]

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[serene stump]

Decker which will be ARM based apparently and that is why Proton is getting ported and up and running on ARM now

I shall be keeping an eye on Quest 3S myself as it may very well be my first VR setup

Since everything else is easily $500+ at this point in time

[next osprey]

https://www.meta.com/quest/quest-3/refurbished/

Personally would look into this vs the 3s

But yeah the 3s would probably be serviceable for a first headset

[rustic garnet]

oo IR floods nice

[grim widget]

HOW

I was thinking it was gonna be like$400 or something

[rustic garnet]

that honestly makes sense bc like looking at the steam deck performance/power consumption i cant see an x86 mobile vr device happening anytime soon

[severe veldt]

BeamNG is still being developed? I'm out of the loop!

[little plinth]

Fkn Pico could've made the 3s DOA with the ultra but priced it higher than the 3

[serene stump]

Quest 3 shoved into a Quest 2 pacakge basically is how they are doing it by the look of things

[serene stump]

$450 yeah no

[serene stump]

Yeah Vavle has the Index for their PC headset and a cheaper arm based one for solo usage would be great

[next osprey]

Its way better than the 3s :p

Just offering an option

[serene stump]

$200-$300 is honestly where I am looking for one. To bad the Quest 2 isn't sit5ting at $200 anymore and has gone back up in price. At this rate the 3S would be a better option then the 2 at the same price

[rustic garnet]

index is rly rather dated ..

[pliant leaf]

Good price point

If it was out when I got my q3 I think I’d still lean towards the q3 but it’s a very good budget option

[serene stump]

Yeah I am looking at the $200-$300 price range for VR and the 3S will be top of that range

@pliant leaf

[pliant leaf]

id get it

my q3 non S is amazing

[weak bluff]

This must be the worst kept secret

[serene stump]

LOL

I see that 3S listed

[gloomy crater]

Wait, so the 3S is compared to the Q3 as being lower resolution, not having as much storage space, and being less slim, light, and comfortable as the Q3. Does that mean this 3S is basically just a Q2 with a slightly more capable processor and mixed reality features?

Cause if so, that's literally the opposite of what I heard a bunch of people asking for lol. A Q3 with less storage and all the mixed reality stuff ripped out but keeping the small form factor and high resolution would have been a really capable budget headset. But instead they just made the entire headset worse but kept the mixed reality stuff? I'm interested to see how well this headset will sell, or who will even buy it considering it basically just seems to be the Q2, just from the current day generation of headsets.

[weak bluff]

Quest 3S is Quest 2 with same display, same fresnel lens, same strap probably, accessories probably fit

Only difference is AR capabilities and chip

Possibly with Wi-fi 6E support

[pliant leaf]

and better chipset

[weak bluff]

Yes

Same as quest 3

[pliant leaf]

yeah

if it had pancake lenses it would be a no brainer

still by far the best option

[weak bluff]

They probably save a lot of money reusing factory of quest 2

[pliant leaf]

i cant stand frensel since i got my quest 3 lol

frensel are SO bad

[haughty thistle]

The Quest 3s is literally just a Quest 2 with upgraded cameras and processor, yes. Lens and screen assembly is straight from the Quest 2...

[haughty thistle]

Personal preference honestly. I can't stand pancake lenses

[real pasture]

because vr can only run on vulkan in beamng. you cant use directx there

[rocky spruce]

Im honestly trying to see the point of the Quest 3s. With its release, the quest 3 is going down in price, and they are gettign rid of the 128g version, so those models will be even cheaper. Id rather just spend the 50-100$ and get the original.

[weak bluff]

well

if you want a $299 headset

there u go

its for first time vr buyers

[weak bluff]

remember original is out of stock

you cant get $199 quest 2 anymore

[rustic garnet]

wow really? Why even make it then ...

[rustic garnet]

fr

[haughty thistle]

To have a more modern Quest 2 as a cheap entry point

[next osprey]

They already answered that

Looks like metro awakening is really good!! They released a gameplay trailer last night and the embargo ended today, so theres a fair bit of gameplay available to watch

Looks like a great title!

[rustic garnet]

Well doesn't seem like there's much of anything that's more modern about it

[severe veldt]

I have a quest 2 sitting around unused. Should I sell it before Meta drops support?

[haughty thistle]

Literally all the improvements boil down to standalone features and AV1 support for PCVR

[weak bluff]

Quest 3S exist for people who want Quest 2 but did not have before

Im sure it will do that job well

[next osprey]

If you want lol

[severe veldt]

I don't know what I want. I like having just in case there is a good coop game. But I get the feeling it will be ewaste soon.

[next osprey]

Better standalone performance, rgb passthrough and some depth sensing i believe.

And for the same price as the quest 2 was

[ashen sand]

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[next osprey]

What did it change

[ashen sand]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[next osprey]

Neat

[little plinth]

Basically like the p4 ultra. But i wonder how they keep the price at $300
p4u also recycles the P4 display and lenses and even body.

But costs 600 flippin bucks

[rustic garnet]

by selling your data i thought we all knew this

[haughty thistle]

Not just that,. the P4U is also arguably more expensive to make device. It uses two seperate screens and pancake optics

[next osprey]

Pico also forces u to use their garbage headstrap lol

[haughty thistle]

I'm honestly more surprised the P4 wasn't more expensive

[next osprey]

Tbh meta is kinda known for doing the console strat of selling at a loss and making up for it with game and subscription sales

[little plinth]

This is how the pico is so much better balance and weight wise stock lol.
Sure not being able to change it suck but i love the balance of it

[next osprey]

Have u worn a quest 3 vs the pico 4?

Ive tried both

[little plinth]

No but i have used the quest 2

If you're talking about face interface that's a different thing

[next osprey]

That has completely different balancing lol

[little plinth]

Both sucks stock

Both q2 and q3 are front heavy either way

[next osprey]

Quest 3 has a solid stock interface

I have tried the quest 3 and the pico 4

The pico 4 was extremely uncomfortable

The headstrap is really bad

[little plinth]

I hated the quest 2's strap more than anything

[next osprey]

Sure

But you can change it

Lol

For pretty cheap too

[little plinth]

And spend 50 more

Make it heavier too

[next osprey]

Only in the back

Where its a benefit

[little plinth]

significantly heavier overall

[next osprey]

But in the back

Where it balances out

And doesnt feel any heavier

Because its plastic 😭

And again on the back

[little plinth]

Your neck gonna hate you eventually
The combined weight becomes nearly a kilo compared to 500g total.

[next osprey]

What

I didnt say battery strap lol

Who tf is getting a 500g headstrap

[pliant leaf]

Have you tried them?

[little plinth]

I said nearly

[next osprey]

Not even close???

[pliant leaf]

They are un debatably better

[little plinth]

Also if the strap is super light you're not getting any counterbalance which is kinda, breaking the point.

[little plinth]

Unfortunately internal reflection is an issue

I'd take it over fresnel garbage sweet spot and ring artifacts but yea the internal reflection can be unbearable sometimes

[pliant leaf]

I’ve never had that issue

[next osprey]

Its giving some counterbalance

With the quest 3 its not an issue at all tbh

[pliant leaf]

Yeah

On bad pancake lenses yes

Good no

[little plinth]

You must have a skyscraper pillar for a face

[next osprey]

Its the same weight but much closer to ur head

[little plinth]

Because even on pico i have some level of front heaviness despite the balance

[next osprey]

Its ok to have wrong opinions

[little plinth]

The quest 2 straight up painful

[next osprey]

There is some front heaviness sure, but like no shit, you have something strapped to your face???

Its not uncomfortable

For the quest 3

[little plinth]

For you sure

[pliant leaf]

It takes a little getting used to

[next osprey]

The 2 was definitely a fair bit uncomfortable after a while

Defo front heavy

[pliant leaf]

Yeah

[next osprey]

Very

[little plinth]

If even my balanced weight pico has slight front heaviness let alone the 3

[haughty thistle]

Yes. Multiple even. Pico 4, Quest Pro, Bigscreen Beyond. I honestly prefer the fixed position glare that fresnel lenses give over the constantly moving and flipped glare you get from pancakes.
Obv. no glare, which you only get with aspherics, is better, but aspherics also require the longest lightpath making the headsets even larger

[pliant leaf]

The 3 is comfortable and good weight

[next osprey]

I mean its heavier overall

Than the 2 or 3

[little plinth]

Half of that weight is in the back

The center of gravity of the pico is well inside your head while the quest is pretty much on your face

[next osprey]

Ngl i do not get any glare from pancake lenses when im actually in a game, i notice it like, when the screens are off i guess but not at all after

[rustic garnet]

chickenbread has tried literally everything lol

[haughty thistle]

There definetly is and it's imo worse then fresnel glare

At least to my eyes it's worse

[little plinth]

I might get the quest 3 sometime but it's already well into the life cycle I'll prob wait for Q4

[next osprey]

The pico 4 isnt quite as flattened

Ngl

[little plinth]

Which doesn't matter when half the weight is well behind

[haughty thistle]

Due to the way pancakes work there inherently will always be glare. You just cannot have working pancakes without internal reflections...

[next osprey]

I dont notice it at all

So not an issue for me

[haughty thistle]

Good for you

[little plinth]

You'll notice it in the dark

If you don't notice pancake glare you might be legally blind

[next osprey]

I said i do notice it a bit when the screens are off

[haughty thistle]

You'd notice them in any high-contrast situation. Looks like a haze is all over the picture. It's defo worse on the Pico and Bigscreen, but definetly still very much there on the Meta Pancakes

[next osprey]

I think i may have noticed it once or twice in dark scenes? But it certainly wasnt distracting because I barely remember it

I was playing itr2

Night is absolutely pitch black

[haughty thistle]

also local dimming/OLEDs make the issue 10x worse

[next osprey]

Didnt notice a glare much

[little plinth]

I really want a combination of the quest 3 and p4u

[next osprey]

Whys that

What things do u want combined

[little plinth]

Q3 Library, pancake lenses, display
P4U Ram, Binocular overlap, motorized IPD

[haughty thistle]

You'd be surprised how much of the internal relfections of pancakes get hidden by the raised blacks of LCDs... at least obscured to the point you might as well not see them if you don't have sensitive eyes...

[little plinth]

I already struggle getting an immersive 3d perception on the pico despite it having one of the best overlap, so i really want that overlap from the p4u. But i definitely hate the subpar lenses on the pico

[next osprey]

Sooo what you are saying is its not actually that pronounced

For most people

[little plinth]

The motorized IPD is just a nice to have, also helps with motion sickness having an accurate IPD. For the Q3 side, it's self explanatory why i want the things i listed from it

[haughty thistle]

I would rather say people who just don't care

[next osprey]

Mabye im just used to a bit of glare in my vision, i wear glasses

[haughty thistle]

To me it looks like dirty glasses, since I daily glasses and when they are dirty the effect is very similar

[next osprey]

Im pretty happy to have a thinner headset with a tiny bit of glare sometimes vs a headset double the thickness

[little plinth]

So a combination of the two headsets is the perfect headset

[serene stump]

https://www.meta.com/connect/ "beginning shortly"

[next osprey]

Neat

I forgor abt that

Oh btw, apparently the new metro vr game is good!

[next osprey]

Some content creators got to try it

And they liked it

[serene stump]

Of course you watch it on Facebook LOL

[next osprey]

Theres a bunch of footage atm

[next osprey]

Visuals look great, gunplay looks great, ai seems on par with the other metro games aka crafty and jumpscarey

[little plinth]

If i have to rank all platforms for video, Facebook has to be on the bottom istg

[serene stump]

Zero need to sign in to watch tho

[little plinth]

Youtube > Instagram/X > Facebook

[serene stump]

So that is helpful at least

[next osprey]

Not sure if there is any of the gun building that was in exodus tho

I do know everything is well physicalized tho

Looks like very minimal hud

Most things are just on your body

You can put on ur gas mask and screw on a filter

Its sick

[next osprey]

Looks like a pretty high production value thing

Which im really glad to see because i was looking forward to this game

I was worried it would be something like that hitman 3 quest port haha

[little plinth]

I haven't checked, is it pcvr compatible?

[serene stump]

https://www.meta.com/connect/program/ yeah no lol

[little plinth]

If not it's DoA for me

I'm a firm hater of exclusives no matter who's making it

Sony, epic, whatever

Fuck exclusives

[serene stump]

Basically running beihind compared to what the guide says should be happening

[next osprey]

Yes lol

[little plinth]

Really?

[next osprey]

Pcvr, psvr2, quest

[little plinth]

Thank god

[next osprey]

The metro one yes

[little plinth]

There's still hope in the industry

[serene stump]

Ok there is a count down now

[next osprey]

Im mixed on it. On one hand it typically encourages companies to actually make high quality vr games if they are being paid a bunch to make it, on the other hand it does unfortunately lock it to a specific device. Arkham shadow looks great tho. All the other upcoming ones are on everything tho, alien, behemoth, and metro are all on pc, psvr2, and quest

[next osprey]

Im definitely not gonna make a jab by saying the reason you hate exclusives is because you have the one standalone VR headset that doesnt get any hehe

[serene stump]

First off is the 3S @ $300

[little plinth]

I only play PCVR

It'll be the same if i own any other headset that isn't a meta headset

I should be free to choose what hardware i want

Why should i settle with garbage standalone graphics

[serene stump]

128gb storage for $300

$400 for 256gb

Quest+WIndows 11

[little plinth]

Hah

Elaborate

[serene stump]

Look at your keyboard and it will pair and allow yuou to use the quest as screens

At least with a Laptop not sure if it works on desktop or not

AKA they are working with Microsoft on that feature

[next osprey]

Same but the quest exclusives tend to be pretty well made, the re4 vr game on quest looks fantastic to me

[little plinth]

It's gonna be garbage like all other Microsoft's attempt at making apple like ecosystem

Not much faith when it comes to MS

It'll probably work better if meta just use their app

[serene stump]

Can't quest be used as a standard pcvr headset?

[little plinth]

Yes

Airlink

[serene stump]

That was what I thought

[rustic garnet]

ppl in this server are so quick to call stuff garbage

[little plinth]

Like... The phone link app MS used for android-windows integration.
Somehow mirroring is still absolutely garbage even though my phone and pc is connected through wifi6

[little plinth]

It's Microsoft

If it's just meta I'd have more faith

[next osprey]

Zucc looks like an android trying to disguise itself as a human

In this presentation

[little plinth]

What has Microsoft made in the past half a decade that isn't subpar

[little plinth]

Zucc gotta be AI generated

[serene stump]

Surface products?

[next osprey]

Aut zuck
Aut nihl

Tf does that mean

[little plinth]

Macbooks better

[next osprey]

I mean

[serene stump]

yeah has me confused

[next osprey]

Its latin

Roughly translates to "either zuck or nothing"

[serene stump]

Moved to AI stuff so they lost me lol

[little plinth]

Must've gotten the Microsoft virus

Or is it nvidia's

[next osprey]

Its a spin on a saying "either a Caesar or nothing"/ "either a emperor or nothing"

[next osprey]

Everyone

Everyone is obsessed with it

[little plinth]

Patient zero

[next osprey]

Eventually it'll fizzle out

[serene stump]

Meta AI the crap they are currently pushing on facebook

[little plinth]

As much as meta exclusives sucks, meta is definitely one of the good guys (or should i say least bad?) on the AI side. They're the biggest pusher in open source models

Which is a W

[serene stump]

LOL AI translation for reels now many already have the robotic text to speech garbagte happening

So yeah I don't expect that to work very well half the time LOL

[next osprey]

I hope they eventually push some of their exclusives to pc, at least on their own store

They kinda forgot abt their own app store on pc

[little plinth]

More of an issue on the speech to text part, which is not AI powered. And they have always sucked for the longest time.

[next osprey]

Probably because they arent focused on pcvr anymore

[little plinth]

For the robotic text to speech part, idk why they're doing that since we've had super realistic voice ai for a while

[serene stump]

YEah people are going to contue to use that crappy tech to speech stuff

Lazy people wanting to get those views for money

example those crappy reddit post based reels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl65oaJoVOM

Ok full Quest 3S part of the live stream

[brisk viper]

pretty much just said its exists and moved onto ai

[serene stump]

Yeah basically

[next osprey]

I mean there's not much to say abt it

Its a quest 3 shoved inside a quest 2

[serene stump]

Which is what we figured would happen

How big are standalone vr games these days?

That will dictate which quest I end up with

Are they as annoying as console and pc games these days?

[little plinth]

Forever PCVR loyalist

[serene stump]

128gb should be enough for android at least but not sure about the vr games

[next osprey]

Depends

A few aaa type ones can get pretty big

But its usually around 10gb for most

10-20

[serene stump]

Switch level wouldn't be to bad on 128gb

[next osprey]

Theres a pretty large range of sizes but i dont think i know of any bigger than like 35ish gb

And honestly there are very few that get that big

I did get the 512gb quest 3 tbh

But like, i am also the kinda person who constantly switches between games

[rustic garnet]

god i miss the oculus brand

and the whole era surrounding it

[weak bluff]

Why tf did they remove headphone jack in quest 3s

Man

[severe veldt]

My guess: $

[severe veldt]

Anybody watch Cleo's interview with the zuck?

Gotta say, I love hearing some good naively optimistic futurism. Probably why I like the pre-2000 Treks so much. Way less depressing than <waves hand at everything>.

Those clear casing optical AR glasses are a cheat code to taking my money. Beyond looking neat (imo), I think it hides how thicc they are.

[next osprey]

Cutting costs wherever they can to shove that quest 3 chip and cameras in

Tryna cram the quest 3 general experience into a cheaper box

[weak bluff]

Yeah because they are not willing to pay $0.25 for each headset

Probably cheaper

[haughty thistle]

It's not just the headphone jack that they save, also all the switching integration that is involved with switching from speakers to headphones...
And 25ct per headset is actually a lot in manufacturing...

In general tho, the Q3S is not meant for you or me. It's meant as an ultra low-end entry-point to VR. Basically for all the kiddies that desperatly beg their parents for a VR headset...

[rich sapphire]

Hey y’all, I recently got a refurbished quest 3 and it’s my first VR headset, I am noticing some sort of tiny lines all over the lense, I can only see them when the lights in my room hit them but they look like a bunch of tiny scratches, is this normal ?

[haughty thistle]

Looks like a scratched lens. Is it visible like a sort of haze in VR?

If not then I wouldn't really thing about it much

[rich sapphire]

I haven’t noticed any visual difference or issues while wearing them

[next osprey]

Gaming

[halcyon comet]

We actually attend the Meta Connecnt and showcase some products this year

[haughty thistle]

I'm sure one thing people would be looking forward to for the Quest 3S would be a USB-C based audio strap, since the Q3S dropped the headphone jack 😄

[halcyon comet]

👀 well, guess what K4 Duo is https://x.com/KIWIdesign_shop/status/1837537458914742709

KIWI design (@KIWIdesign_shop) on X

I can't wait to see them!😎🙌

#KIWIdesign #KIWIdesignvr #6thAnniversary #VR #Quest #Newarrivals

Twitter · Sep 21, 2024, 5:00 PM

[severe veldt]

I wonder if they will demo the AR glasses. If so, try em!

[halcyon comet]

u mean the Orion?

[severe veldt]

Head strap for Quest3S?

[severe veldt]

Ya

[halcyon comet]

I mean, product name start with "K4" are all head straps

[severe veldt]

Ah. Didn't actually read your full question. Looks like headphones.

near field / off ear?

[haughty thistle]

Nice 👍
I'll prolly stick to the Quest Pro for now given the Eye and Face Tracking, but it's good to see that accessory partners are already onto fixing stupid decisions made by meta 😄

[severe veldt]

How are you liking Quest Pro's controllers?

[halcyon comet]

on ear acutally

[haughty thistle]

They're heavier then CV1s and I dislike the softtouch rubber surface, but otherwise I'd rank them similar to Rift CV1 controllers (which to me remain the gold standard for controller comfort)

[halcyon comet]

it was cool, but kinda heavy and bad battery life

meanwhile Quest 3 controller has similar profile, technically worse tracking but I didn't notice

[severe veldt]

maybe you should come up with a rail system above the ear, let people add modular near field tweeters and subs around the ear etc. audiophile hifi for the masses?

[haughty thistle]

The bat life honestly isn't that bad. Even with a 10Ah battery plugged into the Pro HMD your headset will run out before the controllers do xD
At least in my experience that's the case

But yeah, AA bats still remain king. When those are dead, just swap them out

[severe veldt]

Also being able to connect to a wireless subwoofer when you are using headphones would be awesome too. I don't know how many people would use it though. I find myself using headset headphones / speakers a lot when no-one is home.

[haughty thistle]

I never liked the trend of making everything rechargable. I get the convenience factor, but rechargable AAs are actually way better for the environment, as those are meant to be user replacable

[severe veldt]

I just read the Quest Pro controllers need the headset to work well. Dang. Gonna have to wait for good inside out tracking controllers that support AVP (and others?).

[halcyon comet]

its too hard core for average Quest users tbh

[haughty thistle]

Touch Pros work with Quest 2 and 3 too

[severe veldt]

You mean kids? lol. You're right. But sell to the rich before trying to sell to everybody.

[haughty thistle]

Quest Kiddies will never understand the pros of Index-style off-ear speakers and open-back over-ears

That's a company understanding their audience tho. I like it

[halcyon comet]

Meta is selling their devices to everybody, like we have no choice

[severe veldt]

I like AVP's speakers. But I think I prefer the Index's off ears.

Probably something to do with driver size.

[haughty thistle]

This has never been a good practice from a business standpoint tho. When a type of product is not very well established making a halo product first is very understandable, to kinda get people on the hook, but once you're established in a market a halo product barely makes you any profit. Cheaper products with larger margins is where the money maker is... It's business 101, and AMD has recently taken that lesson to heart by cutting the halo tiers in their next gen Radeon GPUs...

Halo-products is the definition of a top of the line product with a high margin, high price and very low sales volume. The RTX 4090 for example is such a halo product

[severe veldt]

I'd say true for HMDs, because content is the final product, and addressable market is a big part of that. But for services, accessories. I would think it is easier to target more niche groups that can afford to buy the higher priced product with less volume. At least, that is a random guess by me.

[weak bluff]

Prediction for Quest 4S: Just Quest 3 with Quest 4 specs lol

same lens same display

[severe veldt]

Is Quest 3S a Quest2 with Quest 3 specs? I haven't compared them.

wrt lens and display*

[weak bluff]

Quest 3S has same display and lens as Quest 2

[severe veldt]

Interesting choice. I wonder if they are doing that to burn down the last of the stock. Makes sense to me.

[weak bluff]

No. More like to save money on R&D and use existing manufacturers

[severe veldt]

Whatever they need to do to offer the lowest price point for S versions. Enthusiasts are probably waiting for Q4 at this point.

More gamers. More games.

[ashen sand]

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[severe veldt]

Are there any upgraded specs over the q3?

[little plinth]

it's a worse quest 3 literally

there is nothing the 3s has over 3 other than price

[severe veldt]

gotcha. sounds like Pixel 8 vs Pixel 8a.

[next osprey]

I mean thats the entire point

[little plinth]

never said it isn't

[next osprey]

Ok

[void grove]

I found a quest 3 elite strap with battery for $50 American.

[next osprey]

Mid

[void grove]

Yeah, I'm probably going to return it and get the Kiwi since it's the same price.

[rancid kestrel]

Does anyone know why my Steam VR room setup doesn't correctly save anymore? The last two times I've used VR the room was rotated and offset from when I did the room setup.

[rustic garnet]

Which headset?

[static carbon]

where does it save that?

[rancid kestrel]

Vive.

Not that it should matter?

[rustic garnet]

The first ones? With lighthouses

If you have an inside out tracked headset they might get confused and lose themselves if the room isn't detailed enough or changes

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah of course, lighthouses are great.

[rustic garnet]

agree 😋

i would probably try clearing the caches and verifying the files ...

But the good ol reinstall usually catches everything

a bit heavy handed though

[rancid kestrel]

I might try nuking config files.

[rustic garnet]

Something like that

[rustic garnet]

No wait steamvr is a separate installation from steam itself right?

[rancid kestrel]

One day I'm going to upgrade to an Index but that's not today.

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah.

[rustic garnet]

Do you have the first ever vive?

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah.

[rustic garnet]

hm yeah

i have the cv1 rift i feel you

[rancid kestrel]

The Index doesn't seem to have a good wireless solution yet.

[rustic garnet]

do you have wireless right now?

[rancid kestrel]

Plus it's expensive.

Yeah.

[rustic garnet]

Nice

I'd just get the knuckles separately first

[rancid kestrel]

I have the audio strap too.

[rancid kestrel]

I have them.

[rustic garnet]

Oh

well

isn't the index hmd showing its age quite a lot by now

[rancid kestrel]

I'm pretty much fully setup minus trackers and a wireless index.

[rustic garnet]

fresnel lenses and relatively low res lcd

and very big and bulky

[rancid kestrel]

I mean, I want to support their hardware and they generally have good support from what I hear.

Time to drive.

[rustic garnet]

fair

i loved the steam controller actually

[next osprey]

Very much so

[rancid kestrel]

The Steam controllers are great for card games.

[void grove]

Is there anything worth using this on?

[next osprey]

Lots of games i like on quest

I dont know what u alr have tho

On a seperate note i finished half life alyx, amazing

[void grove]

The only games I've bought are vader immortal ep 1-3, the climb 2 and Neko Atsume + the few games i redeemed from Quest+.

[next osprey]

Oh when i get some time I'll list off the greats. Quest 2 or 3 tho?

Into the radius, the walking dead saints and sinners, contractors, resident evil 4, iron rebellion, demeo, bonelab, asgards wrath 2, compound, vail, tactical assault vr, dungeons of eternity, star wars tales from the galaxys edge (only if its on sale tho), espire 2, underdogs, beat saber, paint the town red, battle talent, blade and sorcery nomad, assassins creed nexus, breachers, genotype, superhot, sweet surrender, red matter 1 and 2, the light brigade, iron man vr, green hell, medal of honor above and beyond, kill it with fire

@void grove

[next osprey]

Ok then

You're welcome

[void grove]

Oh i was asleep. But thanks. 👍

[next osprey]

lol

[static carbon]

Vr yay

[next osprey]

3s if this is just ur first headset

3s is gonna be fire

[weak bluff]

Quest 3 also got price drop and is good too

[next osprey]

Well, its the same price with more storage

[weak bluff]

128GB model gets a limited $70 price drop

[next osprey]

Neat

Idc

I alr own a quest 3

[gloomy crater]

I was hoping to wait it out until Valve releases their next headset, but I believe I'm experiencing a cable failure on my Reverb G2 and I'm not about to spend money buying a new cable for a WMR headset that's gonna be a brick soon.

I'll be playing a game when all of the sudden the displays in the headset just turn off, completely black, even though I can still hear the audio from the game, and the game is still playing on my monitor. I can see my hands moving around in the game on the monitor but when i put on the headset, the screens are just black. I have to jiggle, push, and pull on where the cable is plugged into the headset to get the picture to come back and it's getting really annoying.

[weak bluff]

soulds like audio and USB function survived but not displayport from damage

[haughty thistle]

Could also be something related to the powerdelivery to the display backlights

Tho it'd be very weird for that to have dedicated lines in the HMD tether,,,

[rustic garnet]

i figure there's just one set of power lines considering it's all powered by just one usb 3 port

[haughty thistle]

Nope. Reverb G2 requires an HP Laptop charger be plugged into the box on the cable

They originally planned to have the supplemental power optional when using the G2 on a USB-C plug, but after they noticed in early testing that PD on USB-C was very hit'n'miss on PCs they decided to rework the cable and make supplemental power mandetory. Also had the positive benefit that it made the headset also work when plugged into a USB hub...

[rustic garnet]

....

So does it take all the power from the charger then

can't really imagine that putting two power supplies in parallel would be particularly convenient

[rustic garnet]

bc then there's still just one set of power lines

[haughty thistle]

From what I understand yes. It's a 45W brick, but I doubt it actually needs that. It's more likely that was the lowest Wattage powerbrick HP had in their lineup

[ashen sand]

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[rustic garnet]

anyway i like this camera array a lot more than the standard q3

Dont they have the exact same panels and lens assembly??!

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, I don't understand this either

All the specs point at it being the exact same lens/screen assembly...

[rustic garnet]

Maybe they mean ??? Higher render resolution?? Like supersampling?

But then can the new chip even push 4x the amount of pixels

[rustic garnet]

Purely aesthetically i like the q3s camera array more than the base q3

those three slits look like a star wars villain or something ..

This looks like cute freckles hehe

or some manner of insect

[next osprey]

It means the passthrough is much higher resolution. Unclear ad sure, but absolutely accurate

[weak bluff]

I thought they mean render resolution

Pass through resolution make sense but weird to use

Quest 2 pass through is almost useless

[next osprey]

Nope

Lol

[next osprey]

Yeah, quest 3 passthrough is much much better

[next osprey]

Obviously not lol

Its poor wording but u gotta apply at least a lil logic

[weak bluff]

Its poor wording on purpose

[next osprey]

I really dont agree lol

Anyone with a few brain cells would know the 3s does not have quadruple the screen resolution

The context also matters

And the context is mixed reality

It says nothing about screen resolution or game resolution

[next osprey]

Its a big selling point, its a massive improvement over the basic passthrough of the q2

The 2 main selling points other than the price is the updated chip and the better passthrough

[haughty thistle]

It's prolly poor wording on purpose. I wouldn't put it past meta to use questionable marketing to boost sales...

[rustic garnet]

How many brain cells does the average consumer have

[next osprey]

Well considering you and another person was 100% convinced they were claiming a 4× headset resolution, 0

[limber forum]

Goood Evening

i would like some advice here please

Im currently playing vrchat alot

i havea i9900k
16 gig ddr4 2666
SDD 512
RTX 3070

butstil still when i am in vr i get stuck at 30 FPS and my vr headset is using display port Valve index 144hz

[next osprey]

Vrchat has strange issues with locking framerate, its the game not the pc

[rustic garnet]

none of us were convinced of that which is why we were so confused 🙄

And we're definitely above average informed in vr lol

[next osprey]

Then you would know that the cameras are a much higher resolution for passthrough

And thats what they are referring to

Obviously

[thorn patrol]

Hello everyone, I cannot play MSFS 2020 on my PC. My specs are
Ryzen 7 3700X
RTX 3060
16 gig ddr4

I mean, I can, but it lags like crap

[haughty thistle]

MSFS is already extremely hard to run flat

VR it's double so. From what I understand you need like a 3090 at minimum to play that game in VR at a decent resolution and framerate...

[next osprey]

I should try it

[weak bluff]

looks like your PC is sticking at 30fps due to asynchronous timewarp trying to keep latency low and consistent

seems right for such heavy game

[next osprey]

Vrchat aint that heavy its just extremely poorly optimized sometimes

It also seems to randomly set a framerate cap

[weak bluff]

the frame is purposely targeted to keep frame smooth and low latency its standard in every VR game

[next osprey]

I have literally never experienced what vrchat is doing in any other game

Vrchat caps me at like, 30fps or 40fps for absolutely no reason

Other games stay at the 90 i set them to

[haughty thistle]

...great I keep forgetting that the shorthand for who are get's blocked here <.<

anyhow, as I was saying, in the case of VRchat, the problem is with unoptimized user content, not the game itself. So blame lazy users, not the game devs...

[next osprey]

Even with no user content it caps itself low

I have tested in the damn home world with a default avatar on and the game caps itself at 30

Its the devs fucking with stuff

[weak bluff]

lol

me in a no content world

[rustic garnet]

No bc idgaf about mr tbh

[next osprey]

Well mabye there is a setting somewhere that is locking shit

Because i cant find it

[haughty thistle]

Worlds also are subject to being unoptized like crap

The VRC default home is somewhat optimized, but not the best I've seen

[next osprey]

Again, it caps itself between 30 and 60 at random regardless of world

[haughty thistle]

I highly doubt that, unless you were to be running like a Pimax 8k X at 200% render res or smth

[next osprey]

Nah

Every other game runs amazing

Only vrc has this issue

[haughty thistle]

I run on a Varjo Aero, native res, easily get 90fps in decently optimized worlds on my own

[next osprey]

It just wont even let me go above 60

Half the time its stuck at 30ish

Capped

[haughty thistle]

If you have that big of a problem in every world, then maybe it's your own avi that's not optimized

[next osprey]

I already said

I've tried with the super basic ones too

Like the defaults

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, could be some setting is borked on your end

It certainly isn't normal

[next osprey]

I cant find anything in vrc settings

[haughty thistle]

There's some stuff that only can be applied through launch options (it's a unity thing and out of control from the VRC devs)

[next osprey]

Launch options?

Lol

Idk why it would default to this shit tho

[haughty thistle]

There is an FPS cap that is always on and set to your hmd's refreshrate. Could be that for some reason on your headset that reads 60fps

Wait... are you using a Quest?

[next osprey]

Yes

Every other game works fine at higher refresh rates

I have in fact made sure the refresh rate is set properly

Its set to 90hz

[haughty thistle]

[next osprey]

Half life alyx runs at ultra 90hz

Steady

Everything runs at ultra 90hz

[haughty thistle]

HLA is no benchmark. If you system can't run it it just reduces the render res until it does

[next osprey]

Except vrc

[next osprey]

Render rez is at max lol

[haughty thistle]

And I highly doubt that, because there's VR games that even on a 4090 just run like crap

Hitmen 3 is an example, that game runs like poop in VR

[next osprey]

I guess i haven't played those ones then lol

[haughty thistle]

You can't overwrite it for HLA tho

[next osprey]

Ran alright for me, a few frame drops and a bit fuzzy but its not a great port

[haughty thistle]

It bypasses whatever render res settings you have in SteamVR

[next osprey]

Idk i set it to like 1.3

Smth

Either way everything runs good except for vrc

Vrc runs like it did when i was on standalone lol

Most of the time

I havent seen it go over 60

It just makes no sense