virtual-reality

[acoustic tide]

So we can't say it's a choice unless you already own a PSVR 2 for your PS5

at least half of them cost literally half of what the PSVR 2 costs

[little plinth]

It's the only viable good oled headset the rest are garbage or costs 3x

[little plinth]

766 for index kit is not half

WMR ones are on their way to becoming paperweight

[acoustic tide]

At least half^

[little plinth]

And they all also have significantly worse specs

[acoustic tide]

Also gamestop sells them for $600. Full kits.

[little plinth]

gamestop being a physical store means access is way different

[acoustic tide]

PSVR 2 doesn't have finger tracking.

[acoustic tide]

Can be shipped brother, its website only

Sometimes stores have stock

[little plinth]

ship to japan

PSVR2 is sold globally

people who are considering PSVR2 want a GOOD OLED and is clearly willing to spend 500
why would they get a significantly worse oled headset like the odyssey.

if price is the only factor then we all should still be playing on a Rift S by now

[acoustic tide]

Because they'll spend $200 dollar max and still be happy? If oled is all they exactly want.

[little plinth]

they want a good oled

They don't want JUST OLED

[acoustic tide]

Then don't buy a PSVR 2 because the OLED 2 won't be enjoyed with the small range the Fresnel lens.

[little plinth]

i hate fresnel

but your view of fresnel is definitely

exaggerated

also the odyssey is literally also fresnel

[acoustic tide]

I am waiting for my Index in the mail today because I want my FBT not to be a pain. I definitely think its a managable thing, because there are other features I'm trading for.

[acoustic tide]

But costs less then half of a new quest 3 used.

[little plinth]

People who are considering PSVR2 don't want to get a 250 bucks headset

which are worse in every metric

with this logic every quest 3 buyer should just get a quest 1

hey it's cheap

[acoustic tide]

Quest 2's locally for me are commonly 120-150, not a bad value.

Isn't a doorstop as your WMR headsets will be :)

[little plinth]

i don't own wmr

[acoustic tide]

The ones you talk so negatively about yet don't own, which will have the same issues the PSVR 2 has, relying on sony for software which they will inevitability drop actually working on in a short period of time I'm guessing.

[little plinth]

i don't need to own it to know it's worse in every metric

it's all obvious

in what metric is the odyssey better than the psvr2

other than price

[acoustic tide]

Hm.. All the issues are already laid out so well, so you'll not have as badly of a buyers remorse.

:)

[haughty thistle]

Personally I found the PSVR2 Fresnel lenses to beat the socks off any Pancake optics currently in use in VR (that be Pico 4, Quest Pro/3 or Bigscreen Beyond)
Pancakes cause tons of internal reflections that will annoy the heck out of you...

[acoustic tide]

You know what, let me edit my message there. "Trust me. It ain't worth investing in a unfinished solution.."

Considering Sony assumed you would have a working Bluetooth adapter, the omission of eye tracking capability for foveated rendering. What else am I missing?

[haughty thistle]

Eye Tracking was a licensing problem

The Bluetooth thing, it's understandable, since most PCs these days have bluetooth, and in the PS5, it would just use the one inside the Console, so why should the headset have one?
Tho I do have to agree that the controllers are incredibly picky about what adapter they wanna work with

(Also, Windows deals absolutely terrible with multiple Bluetooth adapters, so including one in the adapter box would've caused more issues then it fixed)

[acoustic tide]

Hm- interesting. My problem is at the price it doesn't make the most sense to buy it as a PCVR headset. If it was half that, sure. Because inevitability the Quest 2/3 works way better in this situation even with a $20 dollar link cable (though would rather suggest virtual desktop, since Oculus Link is a rolling piece of garbage) or Steam Link for free. I know it is one of the only "affordable" OLED HMDs but opinion on OLED display quality is opinionated at best. (Also because subpixel arrangement is almost more important then contrast ratio in a lot of games). In the end, I really see three routes anyone should go, at all.

Budget: Quest 2 around $150~ (they go for even less locally for me)

Most Versatile: Quest 3 $500 or less (see them sometimes around low $300 locally)

You want FBT Badly to work without issues: Used or Refurb Index full kit (GameStop sells them for $600, i've seen full kits as low as $350 locally, but would air with caution for left knuckle drift and battery issues primarily)

Money is not an issue: Bigscreen beyond, pay someone to install an eyetracking kit, FBT tundra trackers with either knuckles or some other hand tracking solution that fancies you.

Also in the money is not an issue, if you want zero mods, you could go for a meta quest pro.

Not a bad solution either, primarily for eye and facial tracking.

[little plinth]

You said it yourself, OLED is subjective

You might not think oled is worth the money

but a lot do

[weak bluff]

OLED is nice I like when I can enjoy dark games with actual darkness

[haughty thistle]

I don't have the Quest 3, but between the Quest Pro and PSVR2, I'd take the PSVR2 any day of the week for image quality. It has better dark performance (and not just from the OLED, compression really does a wrecky on the darker grays), it's brighter and has overall a nicer image...

Lots of the vision problems people have with dark content in VR is often due to the compression the Quest adds for PCVR...

Also, the Bigscreen Beyond... sorry... I have one, and it's good for the use case I bought it for, but for average gaming... it's actually kinda trash. Sorry for the Bigscreen lovers out there, but the compromises this headset does for being compact just aren't worth it. The glare is unreal on it...

[acoustic tide]

there isn't an end all be all headset, but I think the best you can tell people is to choose their sacrifices, or wait.. For deckard.

But this is the problem, we can't tell people to wait, we've been waiting for years, and if no one is buying headsets, companies aren't going to make new headsets.

The funny thing, on quest 3 is I didnt have glare issues, rather it felt a slight bit smudgy but obviously it wasn't

[weak bluff]

oh dear another dose of deckard copium sniffs

(im not showing hard feelings)

happens so often this meme is too outdated

why even bother buying anything just wait there will be a better product

and then again

[haughty thistle]

slightly smudgy
Bro, that’s called glare…

[acoustic tide]

Sorry. Yeah, I didnt want to assume it was glare so I said as I saw it

Rather say exactly my perspective then assume something it isn't.

[acoustic tide]

The problem is that if no one buys anything, but says they'll buy the next thing, its hard to say that they will actually buy it when it does eventually come. Exact reason companies don't go off simply from "yeah bro I'll buy it when it comes out". Why Tesla preorders are bull, at worst they see the cybertruck be a pile of crap and take their preorder back lmao

[haughty thistle]

Any form of pre-order is bull

[glacial nymph]

Oh ok

Meaning $300?

[acoustic tide]

Before falling out of stock, quest 2 went down to $200

[weak bluff]

it was $299 at release, then it raised to $399 then $299 again then finally $199

and now out of stock

[glacial nymph]

So do you think the 3S will start at $299 or $399

[weak bluff]

too early to tell but likely 299

[acoustic tide]

Between $199-299 depending on how desperate they are.

[glacial nymph]

That’s what I was thinking

[glacial nymph]

Alr
But idk if the benefits of the 3S would justify the price increase over the 2

[acoustic tide]

3S will have the same SOC as the 3, color passthrough cameras. But same display and lenses as the 2.

[weak bluff]

upgrades dont have much for PCVR the most notable is AV1 encoding

[acoustic tide]

It would be worth it long term.

[acoustic tide]

Other then longer term software support

[glacial nymph]

Alright

[weak bluff]

yes quest 2 will have 3 years of update left

which is around when Quest 4 is out

[acoustic tide]

If they even make a 4. Meta has been cutting big out of their team and game devs.

[glacial nymph]

So by that point couldn’t I get the quest 3S for $199 most likely?

[weak bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

no guarantees

[glacial nymph]

Alright
I think I’ll just wait, it’s only 1 more month anyway

Thanks for your help!

[weak bluff]

np

[glacial nymph]

Oh also I can’t seem to access Facebook marketplace
Idk why

I used to be able to but not anymore

[pliant leaf]

It’s not known when q3s releases

[glacial nymph]

Sounds about right

[pliant leaf]

That’s quite literally a guess

Only thing we know that’s decently likely is that the price will be $300 starting

[glacial nymph]

True but it’s only a month
I could wait to see
And they already have their marketing stuff

[little plinth]

All front facing cameras

I wonder how tracking will be

Pico Neo 2 experienced tracking problem from the lack of cameras facing up

Or facing down

[pliant leaf]

Yeah the lack of tracking will be interesting

[weak bluff]

It will be as bad as quest 3

[haughty thistle]

There are two to the sides it looks like in the pics...

two little black circles, and I doubt those are headphone jacks...

[little plinth]

Oh I'm blind

[copper shuttle]

If anyone uses FullBody Tracking in VRChat, can you recommend me a USB hub to plug my vive tracker dongles into? Trying to find one but everyone seems to have conflicting info. Looking for firsthand experience.

[haughty thistle]

Preferably a USB 2 hub, as in some cases, the USB 3 lines can cause problems for the 2.4GHz dongles. Then you want a hub that can do MTT. Whether a hub has it is rarely advertised, and in some models (like the very popular slim Anker USB 3 hub on amazon) it can be luck of the draw whether the unit you receive has MTT or not...
Lastly, it seems like it is important for the dongles to have the same orientation. If you plug them in side by side in a USB hub, where the ports are next to one another on their short side (like in the Anker hub mentioned above) that does seem to work, turning them any odd angle or aligned not on the short side can cause interference as well...

Really it's a lot of experimentation as to what works in your space...

For example, this is what had worked for me:

[copper shuttle]

I've been looking at USB hubs on amazon but yeah....I see no mention of MTT at all.

[haughty thistle]

The hub is laying on the plastic frontpanel of my Amplifier with the dongles hanging in mid-air in front of it. That is important, you don't want the dongles to be touching or too close to a large metal surface either...

[copper shuttle]

I'd love to get a large hub to free slots on my actual computer and to have my dongles all in on area to manage. Currently I have 3 of the 2.0 trackers. And one is plugged directly into my computer, and the other 2 are plugged into their cradles further out and spaced apart. No issues at all when it comes to tracking. But with 5 of the 3.0 trackers on their way, I need to figure out some way to get more dongles available, lol. Sucks they don't advertise MTT or not..

[haughty thistle]

In most cases these hubs use different hub chips internally depending on the week of manufacturing. So like this Anker hub it can have MTT or it does not. There is a thread in the VRCFT discord about these, but I believe in a lot of cases they all have the same problem where you just cannot rely on the hub always having an MTT capable chip. My recommendation is to just make use of Amazons return policy. Grab a couple of different hubs and keep one that according to USB Tree View supports MTT on it's USB 2 hub. MTT is not a thing on USB 3, so if the hub supports USB 3, check the USB 2 hub entity for MTT support

[copper shuttle]

See? Even more conflicting information now...some say USB 3 is problematic, others say it works just fine for them and to not listen to people who say that

[haughty thistle]

Generally speaking, it's advised to have a hub dedicated for your dongles plugged directly into the PC and not anything else in that same hub(-chain). It can mess up the timing and by extension the tracking. Having that Steam Controller dongle in the same hub worked for me, but I also never tried using the Steam Controller with FBT, so there's that...

[copper shuttle]

Steam Controller?

[haughty thistle]

USB 3 can work fine, but generally speaking you want to avoid USB 3 ports for 2.4GHz Wireless Dongles in general. USB 3 signals interfere with 2.4GHz signals and if the hub chip doesn't shield/turn off the USB 3 lines when a USB 2 only device is plugged in you will have issues

[haughty thistle]

That 4th dongle in the pic I sent earlier

[copper shuttle]

Ohhh, that old haptic controller they made

[haughty thistle]

With the 2 big circular trackpads, yes...

[copper shuttle]

So I gotta scour amazon for a USB 2.0 hub. And with 5 trackers incoming, I need one large enough. Not some basic 4 port. x_x

[haughty thistle]

Fun-fact, the reason why the next hub size after 4 port is 7 port hubs is because a 7 port hub is literally just 2 hubs chained together. Even if the hub only has one hub chip, it's internally one hub plugged into another xD

But yeah, good luck finding a hub that aligns the ports like in the pic I sent earlier. Likely you won't find one. In that case you will wanna use the little dongle cradles that come with the Trackers (I assume you're getting Vive Trackers). The benefit of these dock cradles is that they already isolate the dongles from USB 3, so with those it doesn't matter if the hub is USB 3 or not

[copper shuttle]

So maybe just get 2 of the 4 port hubs?

[haughty thistle]

2x 4 port or 1x 7 port doesn't really matter?
Either way you'd likely have to use the dongle cradles with those. The method of jsut sticking them into the hub and calling it a day iirc only really works for up to 4...

[copper shuttle]

Yeah, getting vive trackers. So they all should have their own cradle.

Plus they say having them too close together introduces tracking issues

[haughty thistle]

That really depends on your environment. For some it's fine (like in my case) for others it causes issues

It couldn't hurt to try, but if you run into problems try spacing them out

Just make sure to have them all facing the same way. Apparently that is one massive reason for people to have tracking issues

[copper shuttle]

So if I'm using the cradles, it doesn't matter if it's 3.0 or 2.0. Does MTT still matter then?

[haughty thistle]

MTT always matters

It's how the hub bundles and sends the packets back to the PC

[copper shuttle]

Ahh...so that's still luck of the draw then x_x

[haughty thistle]

Like I said, make use of Amazons return policy

Some hubs actually do advertise MTT support, like this Waveshare industrial grade hub:

[copper shuttle]

So then this should definitely work then, right?

Just that, then each cradle spaced apart, and I should be golden, no?

[haughty thistle]

That hub should work, yeah...

[weak bluff]

why does that printer style usb port exist

[haughty thistle]

Because oled USB was jank

You could genuinely short out systems by just hooking two PCs up to one another using USB. Hency why there is full-size USB A and B, then came mini A and B (tho only B is really common) then micro A and B (again, B way is way more common) and now we got C.
The Idea is that A is the host and B is the client. Mini and Micro A are in a way the early USB C as they were only really found on smaller devices that often can act as both the host and client...

The Big ports were meant for desktop sized devices like a printer or external 5.25" drive, since they are mechanically a lot more robust, whereas mini and micro were meant for portable devices

[little plinth]

Micro A is a thing?

[weak bluff]

i saw micro a before

on old old nokia

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, they're incredibly rare, because many device makers rather opted to violate the standard and handle mini/micro B also as a host port...

[copper shuttle]

Of course the guaranteed MTT hub won't arrive for a while. So either I wait pay more and wait longer, or try my luck at ordering some Anker ultra slims, lol

[copper shuttle]

Ok...so I followed the VRCFT discord to their discussion of MTT USB hubs and which are like...."approved" to have MTT. I find a list of chips that supposedly support it?

However nowhere in the amazon listing can I find anything listing MTT

[zenith creek]

https://www.amazon.com/Elektron-Overhub-7-port-USB-3-0/dp/B016CM8QVO/

[dense pagoda]

is quest 2 ok or should i order quest3

i dont think $500 is worth it if i dont use it with pc vr

suggestions?

i can get an old quest 2

for free, since my relative doesnt use it

is a quest 3 really that better than 2?

any suggestions?

[rustic garnet]

The q2 is still great why even ask if you can get it for free

[pliant leaf]

It’s night and day

I have both

The lenses are 100000000x better

That’s not counting the many other features

[dense pagoda]

yes i read about the new pancake lense

lens

[pliant leaf]

Yeah

[dense pagoda]

but $500 is a lot

[pliant leaf]

They are not even comparable to the q2 lenses

[pliant leaf]

Get a used one

[dense pagoda]

i can get a quest 2, my brother doesnt use it much

[pliant leaf]

How much for

[dense pagoda]

he got it a while ago

so he'd be just gicing it away to me

[pliant leaf]

Then do that and in a month ish if you really like it get a quest 3

[dense pagoda]

im not in the us actually

[pliant leaf]

You can still get a q3

[dense pagoda]

so it's hard to find genuine quest

[pliant leaf]

How

Is Amazon not there?

[dense pagoda]

its there but the seller is sus

i wanted to get q3

but it seems expensive rn

[pliant leaf]

Where are you at? What country

[dense pagoda]

i dont even have a pc to use it for pc vr

india

but rn my parents are in the us

so they can get it

[pliant leaf]

Stand alone is a thing

[dense pagoda]

yeah that's there too

i think i'll just get my bro's old q2

for now

[pliant leaf]

Yeah

[dense pagoda]

the first vr i used was google daydream lol

q2 would be leagues better haha

maybe this black friday q3 would go down in price, just hoping

[dense pagoda]

what do you play, watch on quest usually

?

[pliant leaf]

Tactical assault, beat sabor, the climb 2, and soon I’ll be no lifing hitman vr reloaded lol

All that is standalone only pcvr I play is Microsoft flight sim

[dense pagoda]

oh man i so want to do msfs

but i dont have a pc

i just play it on xbo

xbox

[rustic garnet]

It's really not that big of a deal

like

they're both vr headsets and one is FREE the other is 500 bucks

any vr headset is better than no vr headset but a q3 is not 500 usd better than a q2

[pliant leaf]

Hence why I told him to take the free one

[pliant leaf]

Imo it is

[copper shuttle]

Means my USB hub is good for MTT, yeah?

[haughty thistle]

Yup, that means it has MTT

[copper shuttle]

Woo! $16 for 8 ports. I'd say that's a success then

[tiny sonnet]

Not sure if anyone else has had this problem trying to help a friend. They have a VIve Pro eye and occasionally it seems it starts to constantly unplug and replug itself in windows, between 7:42-8:21 it unplugged and replugged in 134 times, they say when it happens that the screen will go grey as well, any ideas?

[haughty thistle]

Sounds like a bad cable. Had a USB 3 extension once that did a similar thing, but only when connecting a USB 3 device to it...

[weak bluff]

vive pro eye is an expensive relic

if its near broken it can be sold for profit

[haughty thistle]

HTC doesn't have stock for VP1 cables all that often anymore

But they do still stock it every now and then

Otherwise, I think the VP2 cable is also an option, but it's like twice the price with 0 benefit for VP1/VPE users...

(60 vs 120 bucks)

[weak bluff]

why why HTC does this

reminds me of how HTC sell base station for $200 while Valve sell for $150

[haughty thistle]

The VP2 cable does have updated electronics inside to handle DSC properly anad actually passthrough the hadnshake. If you use a VP1 cable on a VP2, and set the VP2 to run at a DSC resolution, the DSC signal will be corrupted and you just get pink noise on the screens. Hence the need for the new cable

Otherwise I think the two cables are identical. But they decided the new active extension components inside the new cable required double the price for some reason

And btw, the only visual difference between the cables is that the VP2 cable uses an ever so slightly darker plastic and has a little tag attached to the linkbox side of the cable. They're otherwise visually identical lol

[weak bluff]

confusing

[little plinth]

https://x.com/PICOXR/status/1823298452144447704

PICO XR (@PICOXR) on X

Prepare to be amazed by the PICO 4 Ultra!
The all-new PICO headset is here to transform the way you interact with technology. Save the date - August 20th - for the PICO 4 Ultra China Launch.

Twitter · Aug 13, 2024, 10:00 AM

No longer just Pico community copium

though only china launch on 20th

global launch idk

[rustic garnet]

I thought they were shutting down pico?

[little plinth]

Meta fanboy propaganda

[next osprey]

Tried the pico 4 last week, bad facial interface, terrible controllers

[little plinth]

the controllers are about standard

for facial interface i'd argue the quest 2 is worse

but both are bad

i use the amvr replacement face interface

[next osprey]

Idk, fit way worse on me

[next osprey]

Then the quest 2 and 3 controllers must be way above average then, cuz the pico 4 controllers sucked

Lens clarity was... Meh

Especially for pancake lenses

[little plinth]

It's leaps and bounds against Quest 2 garbage fresnel

[next osprey]

I mean, better than fresnel is a kinda low bar lol

Anyways, only thing i dislike about my quest 3 is quest link for pcvr. Even then, once its working it tends to be fine

[weak bluff]

They never said they are shutting down Pico but they laid off a lot and shifted focus away from cheap consumer

[little plinth]

idk what they're expecting lol

considering they don't sell in the US

[haughty thistle]

I'd argue against that

[little plinth]

what are the pico execs thinking

[haughty thistle]

All pancake optics I've experience so far (including the Quest 3/Pro ones) look worse to me then the best Fresnel optics have to offer (aka Oculus Go/Rift S/Quest 1/2 lenses or the ones in the PSVR2)

[weak bluff]

They tried until gov intervened then withdrew

[haughty thistle]

The grays instead of blacks from the panels hide an aweful lot of glare these pancakes have, and the Quest 3/Pro lenses have the added "benefit" of making the edges a poopy brown colors 🙃

[next osprey]

Huh

[next osprey]

What lol

I have no idea what ur talking abt

[haughty thistle]

Enabling localdimming on the Quest Pro makes the glare what feels like a 1000x worse. The glare was legit more annoying then that in the Bigscreen, and the bigscreen is known for bad glare. Prolly a big part there was the blooming from the low dimming zone count tho

LCDs just don't get as black. It's especially noticable if you go between an OLED and an LCD based headset. The only LCD-based headset where "black" actually felt like black comparing to an OLED headset was the Reverb G2, but oh well... soon to be a paperweight... thanks M$...

[weak bluff]

And they are planning local dimming on quest 3

[haughty thistle]

Do the panels even have the capability?

[weak bluff]

Idk

Nvm it's just called adaptive dimming not local dimming

[next osprey]

I mean i think the panel is the main issue not lenses. Also glare is basically not there if you are actually playing something

[weak bluff]

new cheap high quality finger tracking coming soon https://vxtwitter.com/jasonleongtw/status/1823725029085106227

[real pasture]

not gonna be a paperweight if you are still on w10 :)

or if you dont update your system

[weak bluff]

Yeah until 2025

[rustic garnet]

is that just the crap "smart" tvs do where they just fuck around with the brightness on the fly depending on the scene

[rustic garnet]

woah chat almost like we're all different people with different shaped heads and hands

[pliant niche]

I've been daily driving the Index for about 6 months, while it's not bad, I had one issue where the headstrap on the right hand side decided to break, but I will say the panels look a slight bit better than the Quest 2 but the Quest 2 does have a bit more clarity besides for the lens distortion

[next osprey]

I mean i specified my head lol

[feral gulch]

For anyone using amd 7900 series, what vr headsets yall on? Thought about changing to a quest 3 but it seems no amd 7900 support?

[weak bluff]

there is support it will work

if you get message it does not support it is known that you can ignore it

Virtual Desktop works with it best

[feral gulch]

They just don't have it listed on the site for some reason then

That's what i found.

[haughty thistle]

Those at the bottom, that's the Radeon HD series...

Those are antient...

Anything Radeon RX is supported

[feral gulch]

I.. must be blind. Ok lmao

I just saw a lot of issues earlier in the yr about it so was concerned

[haughty thistle]

The video encoders on AMD cards aren't great in general, hence why people generally recommend Nvidia cards for PCVR on standalone headsets

[acoustic tide]

Virtual desktop is probably the best solution to stream pcvr content to your standalone headset hands down at this moment.

I have really been enjoying my index HMD, yet not even like 20 hours in using, my brand new knuckles on one of the triggers makes a squeaky noise which isnt present on the other one.

Maybe not even 10 hours

Other then that gripe- using it as a desktop viewing device in steamvr isnt the best, definitely behind the quest 3 with a good virtual desktop connection even, tracking is way more accurate due to using base station tracking though. But in vr the resolution/lenses aren't as big of a deal to me.

[acoustic tide]

Ironically saying from using both index and quest 3, 2 and 1 in the past. Index is just the least painful to just pick up and get going. Of course while it is MSRP the most expensive and using external tracking isn't as convenient but it simply just works so often, especially since I FBT. But my worry now is I could be in the future traveling for work so I might have to use a standalone headset so I may have to go back to being a quest-head. (My major problems on quest stem from hand position tracking just failing, and I did have a overheating issue before. But the passthrough was nice, and having side loaded android apps was neat!

[pliant niche]

I just love the Index for the simplicity of calibrating with the Vive 3.0 trackers

Because with Quest you have to use the OVR Space Calibrator

[acoustic tide]

I used the quest 3 with FBT vive trackers. I moved to index for the better tracking and ease of use.

[pliant niche]

Same, just click the button on the headset then boom, SteamVR launches

[primal cliff]

After charging my headset for an hour to full I use it for 10 minutes while charging and it’s already dead

Is this a get a new headset kind of issue

[haughty thistle]

Sounds like a dead battery. Have you always used the headset plugged in while playing VR?

[primal cliff]

Yeah quest 2 battery never lasts over 40 minutes for me brand new

I’ve went through 2 headsets now

[haughty thistle]

That doesn't sound right

[primal cliff]

None have really been good on battery

[haughty thistle]

Even on wireless it should last at least 1.5 hours...

[primal cliff]

The wireless is 40 minutes and charging lasts however long I have it plugged in

Until today

It lasts 10 minutes 15 at most when yesterday I was using it just fine

Could storage space being heavily taken up by bonelab be contributing because I didn’t have this issue until I started installing mods for bonelab

[weak bluff]

try playing without PCVR see if that happens

[primal cliff]

Battery drains both normally and in pcvr

[weak bluff]

if you just bought it might consider RMA just describe support what u have

[primal cliff]

My headset is about a year old now might be past that point

if it does come to replacing the battery does that normally work well?

[weak bluff]

it should work but replacing battery is tricky because disassembling it is complicated

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, all the Meta Quest headsets are like a jigsaw puzzle inside...

Not really something to repair for a beginner

[primal cliff]

Better than buying another I guess

Or I cave and buy a pcvr only headset

Because I rarely use the standalone

[primal cliff]

I fixed it by uninstalling bonelab

Hm

[primal cliff]

I’m not entirely sure if I’m doing something wrong or not

[serene stump]

https://www.androidauthority.com/meta-quest-hdmi-link-launched-3472502/

REQUIRES a Capture card and doesn't support HDCP

[next osprey]

I mean does it just work thru steamvr and not need any other bs? If so hell yeah

Nvm i misread

[serene stump]

Doesn't the Quest work on pc normally?

[next osprey]

Lol

[next osprey]

On pc? Yes. Work? Sometimes lol

[serene stump]

Or was that a different standalone headset?

[next osprey]

You gotta use metas horrible app

Then steamvr

Its an extra layer cuz the port on the headset doesnt have displayport or anything like that

[serene stump]

Hence the Capture card

I have a HDMI only catpure card so that leaves me out of the loop

Internal capture card for my PC NOT one of those usb based ones

https://www.meta.com/experiences/7452106424824357/?intern_source=blog&intern_content=meta-quest-hdmi-link-launch app in question

May as well list it as a capture card support app

[next osprey]

Yeah all this does is let u stream ur gameplay in headset onto a tv or smth?

I think?

[serene stump]

No got that backwards

[next osprey]

Yeah i see

Pretty lame

[serene stump]

it is HDMI INTO the headset

[next osprey]

Yeah i got it

Thats lame

They were so close to letting us fucking direct connect

But nooo

Its for fucking 1080p video lol

[serene stump]

Low latency 1080p@60 video

I may as well keep my HDMI Splitter(stripper) around

for removing HDCP

[next osprey]

So lame

[serene stump]

The one reason I got a splitter in teh first place was becuase Sony has HDCP active for PS3 games and thus I can't capture gameplay for those without the stupid thing

at least at anything higher then 480p

considering I could use composite for video out but yeah

HDMI was simpler but restricted

[weak bluff]

Note that what headset receive is not full HDMI and the fact that capture card is involved means image is compressed

[haughty thistle]

Plus the capure card thing will only get you a flat image. With a bit of luck it can receive stereo 3D from like a 3D Blu-Ray but that's about it. It does not enable PCVR over HDMI or DP for the Quest...

[rustic garnet]

well yeah because that would require a hardware change

the usb port simply doesn't have the bandwidth

[weak bluff]

picture of nothing

there is no headset

[haughty thistle]

Just a plastic shell…

[serene stump]

https://www.destructoid.com/meta-indefinitely-delays-gta-san-andreas-vr/ Wasn't aware this was even a thing

[next osprey]

Sadly

I hope they make it displayport next headset

[weak bluff]

unlikely

[next osprey]

I know, but i can hope

[weak bluff]

its not in Meta interest to do so it would conflict their interest

[next osprey]

My phone has displayport :(

[acoustic tide]

where did you find this image?

[weak bluff]

somewhere on twitter

[next osprey]

What is this

[weak bluff]

Decagear

[next osprey]

Whats that

[weak bluff]

Its a vr headset that never released and scammed people who preordered it

[next osprey]

Fun

[weak bluff]

The product, design exist but never sold and shipped to any customer

Company is probably bankrupt

[little plinth]

People who want displayport is a loud minority.

It's never gonna happen again

[next osprey]

I mean... Anyone who uses a quest with a pc definitely want it to be displayport

[haughty thistle]

The design existed, and some effort went into the Face/eye cam stuff, but afaik no known working headsets ever existed...

We do know from one of their videos that they had a sort-of headgear with two cameras to develop the ET/FT stuff, so for all we know, that ET cam clip they showed in the initial unveiling could've been from that...

[rustic garnet]

what was this thing called i remember it

[rustic garnet]

oh yeah

[rustic garnet]

I dont think it was a scam they just didn't get off the ground

They did release that hip tracker thing no?

[weak bluff]

they literally scammed people preordering it what r u talkign about

they took money

[rustic garnet]

isn't that like every indiegogo

i mean i dont think it was a scam from the start? they wanted to make the product no?

[haughty thistle]

No. With Indigogo, you provide dev capita for a product that might not happen otherwise. They explicitly took 10$ pre-order deposits (which they later requested to be a full purchase deposit) and then just ran.
A Kickstarter/Indigogo campaign is not a pre-order...

[cold shard]

I'd personally consider it a scam. The supposed "rough pricing" of components was laughably below the actual cost of the components. Less than 1/4 to 1/2 the real price at the highest possible order quantity. Even now 4 years later, $20 for a 2160x2160 90hz LCD panel is not realistic. Unless you're okay with junky unreliable low brightness crud from unknown manufacturers on Alibaba.

[weak bluff]

Thats why they hiked the price but instead of fulfilling order they just ran away

[little plinth]

https://www.picoxr.com/global/products/pico4-ultra/specs

The product page has appeared

Just like the name, it's a better pico 4
XR2 Gen 2, 2x RGB Pass through and 1x Depth sensor in addition to the existing cams.
12GB RAM

WiFi 7

[weak bluff]

Its like Pico 4 with Quest 3 specs

[haughty thistle]

Basically...

[little plinth]

the OS itself is significantly improved though

it also runs android 14 now

[haughty thistle]

They had the announcement in Chinese only so far

So no guarantee it'll actually ever ship outside of China

Given how little they've engaged recently in even Europe chances are it'll stay China domestic...

They had plans for a US launch, but those were cancelled after the poor sales in Europe and they even pulled funding for Western games to be brought to the platform, hence why JD VR went from originally planned as a Pico exclusive to becoming a Quest exclusive...

[next osprey]

So a quest 3 but without good lenses gotcha

And no games

[little plinth]

tell me you don't own a pico 4 without telling me

pretty much 90% of the games are there

[haughty thistle]

I've had a Pico 4. The lenses are crap

[next osprey]

Ive tried it lol, it sucks

I have a quest 3, i use it a lot, i tried the pico 4, the lenses are ass

[haughty thistle]

Plus it's super uncomfortable if you don't happen to have an asian head...

[little plinth]

oh the pico 4 ultra's OS also gives access to android's default launcher

you pretty much can use it as a phone

that's neat

[haughty thistle]

A friend of mine also tried one, the lenses were digging into his cheeks. He said he didn't even bother with the controllers. just immediatly took it off again...

[next osprey]

You can do the same with the quest 3

[little plinth]

Meta's OS is significantly more locked down

[next osprey]

You can do phone stuff

[little plinth]

Pico's OS is free enough people literally port beat saber to it

[next osprey]

Dev mode :/

Duh

[little plinth]

it's like comparing android's rooting and iphone's jailbreak

[next osprey]

Not rlly

[haughty thistle]

Pico OS also runs like garbo. It was definetly running at less then 50% render res and was buggy as all hell

[next osprey]

Oh yeah i noticed that when i tried the 4

[little plinth]

i'd take an OS that allows me to do whatever over looking slightly better

[next osprey]

The resolution in the base os was insanely bad

[little plinth]

plus that's the pico 4

[haughty thistle]

Honestly tho, I don't care about Standalone at all. Because it'll always run like crap anyways

[little plinth]

which got limited by the XR2

[haughty thistle]

My bigger problems with Pico are their hardware...

[next osprey]

The quest 2 looked better lol

In the menus

[haughty thistle]

And their seemingly inability to make something that works for headshapes other then... their's...

it's the same with Pissmax

[next osprey]

Pissmaxxing

[little plinth]

you're going to get a third party face interface anyway, same with what people do on the quest

[haughty thistle]

These, sorry for the term, Chinese can't seem to comprehend there are people with other face shapes...

[next osprey]

Woah woah woah

Chill

[little plinth]

that's racist mate

[next osprey]

Yeah dont say that

I dont like the facial interface either but no need to be racist about it lol

[haughty thistle]

It's not just the facial interfaces

It's the entire strap

[next osprey]

It does fit weird yes

The rear part of the strap just doesnt hold at all

The quest 2 and 3 basic strap suck but at least they fit

[haughty thistle]

And as mentioned, not just copmplaining about Pico here. Pissmax has the same issue. Except they somehow also manage to make the most heavy headsets in existence for no apparent reason other then "Our build quality is way higher then necessary while still using the cheapest most brital plastics we could find!"

[haughty thistle]

And they're replaceable

[next osprey]

Is the pico 4s not?

[little plinth]

literally a Ti Super

[haughty thistle]

Worst is still like the Quest Pro and Pico 4, where it's uncomfortable and you can't replace the strap...

[little plinth]

wtf is the naming

[haughty thistle]

Nope. Battery is inside the strap. It's part of the HMD

[next osprey]

Oh lmaoo

Thats a fumble ngl

[little plinth]

slightly easier to fix since you don't need to disassemble the HMD itself

[haughty thistle]

On the Pissmax 8k X you can at least replace the strap still, but with the Crystal you're stuck with whatever garbo they provide...

[little plinth]

still difficult

and i don't think you're finding the pico's replacement battery anywhere

[next osprey]

Yeah lol

[haughty thistle]

And let's not be gentle on Meta, the Quest Pro ain't comfortable either

[next osprey]

please valve, we know you are making a new headset cmon

[next osprey]

Honestly the quest 3 facial interface is pretty solid

[haughty thistle]

How is it that no VR company can manage to make comfortable headsets anymore. The Index was super front heavy and digs into the Cheeks, the Quest is also all front heavy and comfort sucks out of the box and official straps, Varjo does... whatever they're doing, but it certainly ain't good for long VR sessions, Pissmax does their crappy Vive Pro knock-offs...
Really, the most comfortable headsets I've tried to date are the Rift CV1 and StarVR One. The Vive Pro get's a pass, but needs a different facial foam. Bigscreen rides on the nose too much but the low weight does somehow still make it comfortable again...

[next osprey]

The quest 3 is pretty solid imo

[haughty thistle]

We had good comfort, but it was all sacrificed in the name of "FEATURES!"

[next osprey]

Slap a new strap on it and its very comfortable

[haughty thistle]

You still got over 500g all in the front

[next osprey]

If meta made a pcvr only headset with similar stuff it would be even better

[next osprey]

Yeah, but its closer in so it feels less front heavy

[haughty thistle]

For a good comfortable, long session experience you'd want maybe at max 600g, and those need to be very well balanced (center of gravity somehwere inside the skull)

[little plinth]

reading the promotional page... they're definitely going after the AVP

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, like a Beyond... but with actual big screens

[next osprey]

Oh wait actually the pico 4 i tried is the 4e

[little plinth]

no real difference other than eye tracking iirc

[next osprey]

Yeah

Eye and face tracking

Not that i got a chance to use that

[little plinth]

which is useless since there's no proper pcvr support

[next osprey]

Yeah lol

[little plinth]

probably gonna upgrade to pico 4u since i want the MR shit. mainly because it's compatible with my existing prescription lenses and AMVR face interface, both of those easily adds over $100 if i need to make a new one

[next osprey]

Oh yeah the pico 4s passthrough was so awful

Even worse than what i remember the quest 2s being like

[little plinth]

definitely not lmao

[next osprey]

Mabye im just spoiled by the quest 3

But it was definitely terrible

[little plinth]

it's not even comparable
yea it's not great compared to 3 but to the garbage black and white of Q2

it's not even close

[next osprey]

Im not talking about color vs no color

[little plinth]

i know

[next osprey]

It doesn't matter if there's color if theres an insane amount of warping

Barely usable

[haughty thistle]

Better then the Quest Pro passthrough, tho the Quest Pro is stereo and Pico is mono

[next osprey]

But uh yeah mabye im just spoiled by how good the quest 3s passthrough is

[little plinth]

The ultra got 2x RGB and depth sensor now so i can't wait for the comparisons to come out

[haughty thistle]

Funny enough, the best passthrough I've personally tried is the one on the PSVR2. It's all B/W, but stereoscopic, sharp and has no funky warping going on like on the Quest headsets...

[next osprey]

The psvr2 one does look pretty sharp

[little plinth]

but i mainly want the AVP like experience tbh

i have 3 monitors at home and i can't handle my laptop's tiny 14in screen when away

[haughty thistle]

You'd prolly only get that on the AVP

[next osprey]

Yeah lol

Unfortunately they are gatekeeping a lot of that tech

[haughty thistle]

The camera array in that thing alone likely cost more then anything Pico would ever release lol

[little plinth]

the 4U is not gonna be as good
but i doubt it's 7x worse

I just need decent multi-screen for my laptop

[next osprey]

Lame

[haughty thistle]

I personally have tried doing work in a virtual space... and honestly... screen quality just needs to get better

Even on my Varjo Aero, I think text clarity still isn't good enough for desktop use...

And that thing has 35ppd peak clarity...

[little plinth]

it's more for mobile use

when you're at home no reason to not use existing monitor setup

but you're definitely not bringing a 3 monitor setup to starbucks

[next osprey]

I think mixed reality monitors are still a gimmick

[haughty thistle]

Still, I'd rather take one screen that I can actually read text on then three that have to run at like 480p to be comfortably readable...

[next osprey]

Theres a reason that the vision pro started popping up on eBay for a solid third off like, a month or 2 after launch

[haughty thistle]

Once text clarity on these things get good enough that it can replace a 1440p screen without causing eye strain when reading text, then I think it can start actually becoming a viable replacement for multi-monitor setups, but until then... yeah, it's a gimmick...

[little plinth]

christ $600 is the price, welp not upgrading to it, defo not worth it

[next osprey]

Lol yeah

Just get a quest 3

[little plinth]

nah

neither

quest 3 ends up above $600 with all the accs

same thing

i have to make new pair of prescription lenses, plus a new strap is a must

and a new face interface

plus had to rebuy VD

easily $150

[next osprey]

Facial interface is fine on the q3

I dont feel any need to replace it

[little plinth]

still need a strap change even if i think the face interface is fine

[next osprey]

449 for the headset, another 30 for a solid headstrap, done

[little plinth]

i don't live in the US

they're still very much firm at 500 here

and prescription lenses are expensive

[next osprey]

Thats still less

[little plinth]

500 + 30 strap + lenses 70

[next osprey]

Lenses are 50 from zenni?

[next osprey]

The pico ultra costs that much without anything

[little plinth]

i already own the shit from pico 4

the lenses and face interface and VD

[next osprey]

Are they cross compatible

[little plinth]

they're compatible with each other

[next osprey]

Ok

Idk man the quest 3 goes hard

I doubt the p4u is gonna have better passthrough

Ig we will see

Or they will release it right before a quest 4 or smth lmao

Which will smash it

[little plinth]

Sept 2

Quest 4 is not for at least another year

[next osprey]

They seem to be a solid half gen behind quest

Like, they release a similar product a year or more after quest does

[little plinth]

The quest is simply not compelling enough for me

and the reason pico 4u is even in consideration is because i already own the accs and software

[next osprey]

Its the same way with me and the p4u

I dont see the point of buying into a unstable ecosystem

They almost like, entirely quit a while back

[little plinth]

I'm not really missing anything from the quest so idrc

[next osprey]

Id rather buy into a company that wont just randomly give up

And yknow, isnt just copying the other major company

[little plinth]

i only want beat saber and i have beat saber there

[next osprey]

Seat baber

[potent parcel]

Anybody know how to get the hdmi link for meta quest to go full screen instead of a smol nub on the corner?

[weak bluff]

You want the window to be bigger?

[serene stump]

The Next quest is going to be the cheaper replacement for the Quest 2 which should be the Quest 3S according to leaks and what not

The price should be about $300 or cheape

I didn't have the money whent he Quest 2 was going for about $200 and everyone has basically sold out of it and either delisted it or are letting third party sellers set the price for them now

[next osprey]

Yeah, its basically just a quest 2 with extra cameras and a better chip tho

[serene stump]

Basically a Quest 3 shoved into the quest 2

[next osprey]

Basically yeah

None of the benefits of the new lenses for you nerds : '(

I think the resolution is the same as the quest 2

[modern lance]

I didn’t realize this channel existed. But I want to play vtol VR, and my current vr headset is an oculus CV1, and I want something with less screen door effect mainly, so should I go with a used quest 3 or a used index?

[pliant leaf]

And pancake lenses which are 10000x better

[pliant leaf]

I’d imagine it coming in between $300-400

[pliant leaf]

What’s your budget

[haughty thistle]

Have you tried them tho? In my experience the glare tends to be more annoying on pancakes 😬

[serene stump]

Quest 2 was $300 so I don't expect the 3S to be any more expensive then that honestly since they need a cheaper option to get people in the door

[weak bluff]

thats why i advocate for headset without controllers and cross compatibility controllers but they probably wont

its a winning move come on Meta

you want people to adopt VR that is the best way to do it

[next osprey]

No, it has freznel lenses, that's the big compromise

[next osprey]

I only see glare when the lenses are like, in a loading screen

[next osprey]

Without controllers is a stupid move unless they actually sold bundles with controllers

[haughty thistle]

I see it all the time. Looks like the lenses are dirty all the time

[next osprey]

Mabye ur lenses are dirty ngl

[haughty thistle]

They are defo not

[weak bluff]

thats the point you use quest 2 controllers with it is the idea

but they probably wont

[haughty thistle]

I wear glasses daily, so I know how to check if a lens is dirty or not. What I see on these pancake lenses is 100% the internal reflections

[next osprey]

It would be horrible publicity to release a headset with no controllers

[haughty thistle]

It's a property of pancakes that, because physics, will forever persist

[next osprey]

Skill issue tbh

I have no such issues

[weak bluff]

the point i mean with headset without controller is for existing quest 2 users

it definitely sucks without controllers

[next osprey]

It would be another variation that would cost more money to package, theres 0 chance lol

[weak bluff]

the goal is to make quest 2 owners upgrade without spending whole set

[rustic garnet]

So fresnels have god rays and pancakes have glare and aspherics have unpredictable distortion

[rustic garnet]

And do what with the old headset? Sell it without controllers?

[haughty thistle]

Yup. No lens is perfect...

[weak bluff]

No use really probably get sold very cheap which is a win for people who want cheap quality headset and win for Meta preventing Quest 2 harming new headset sales

If meta interest is more people adopting AR features then i think this is winning business move for them

But it may not be if manufacturing cost of controller is say $15 then it does not make sense to sell headset at $274

So they are eating bigger loss if they sell at $249

[sullen linden]

how important is this? i don't really want to turn off core iso

[cold shard]

Unfortunately it's for the bluetooth chipset in the HMD that connects to the controllers. I'm not sure if you can re-pair the controllers to any chipset, but you could try that if you have another one

[sick jackal]

guys, i want to buy i VR for gaming, but idk which

[rustic garnet]

Budget?

Pc specs?

[next osprey]

What are ur specs

[sick jackal]

i have rx7800xt and R5 7600

[next osprey]

Yeah, the quest 3 is nice

I have one

I like it

[sick jackal]

you connect it to PC?

[next osprey]

Idk if there's better pcvr only headsets, probably not many at the same price

[next osprey]

Yeah

Occasionally i play standalone but mainly wired in

[sick jackal]

but quest 3 is not a only pc vr right?

[next osprey]

Yeah it can be used standalone too

[sick jackal]

my brother wants to play gorrila tag

[next osprey]

Ok

Cool

You can play that on pcvr too

[sick jackal]

on what headset?

[next osprey]

Any?

Anything that u can connect to a pc and use steamvr

[sick jackal]

so meta quest 3 is pcvr? htc vive too?

[next osprey]

You can connect the quest 3 to a pc and play vr, but it can also run without the pc

[sick jackal]

yes i know

[next osprey]

Vive is an entire company

Lol

Typically pcvr only tho

[sick jackal]

so which VR can you recommend?
sometimes want to play standalone and sometimes on pc
and my specs is in my pc is rx 7800xt and R5 7600
and in my brothers is rx 580 and R5 5600

so brothers pc is not really good

💀

[next osprey]

Well, your brother wouldnt be able to run too much for pcvr, not without a gpu upgrade. A quest 2 may be a good idea for him (or the quest 3s when that comes out) so he can still play vr standalone for now but he can still use it for pcvr later after an upgrade. For u idk, i like my quest 3 but i know there's a lot of options for pcvr headsets, you should probably do some research to figure out what matters most to you in a headset

[haughty thistle]

Standalone headsets like the Quest actually kinda suck with AMD GPUs because of the unfortunatly bad video encoders on these cards. The PSVR2 will run you about as much as a Quest 3 and gives you (imo) a better experience

[next osprey]

Idk man i have had no issues with my 7900xt

[haughty thistle]

Compression artifacts are way worse

[sick jackal]

also i can buy a psvr2

i have ps5

but there si no gorrila tag for my brother💀

[next osprey]

I am considering getting a psvr2 but just for the exclusives mostly, a lot of its features dont work on pcvr

I have a ps5 too

[haughty thistle]

The PSVR2 will work with a PC. You just need the additional PC adapter, which is sold seperatly

Plus, since you have a PS5, that actually just about doubled the value since you can use it on both PC and the PS5

[sick jackal]

is on psvr 2 gorrila tag?

[haughty thistle]

Any headset you can connect to the PC can run anything that's available on Steam, including Gorilla Tag. Not sure if it's on the PS5 tho

https://blog.playstation.com/2024/06/03/playstation-vr2-players-can-access-games-on-pc-with-adapter-starting-on-august-7/

Available since August 7th

[sick jackal]

we wnat only one he will play standalone i sometimes too and sometimes on pc

[next osprey]

Ok

Then just snag a quest 3

:p

[next osprey]

It isnt

[next osprey]

I wanna play resident evil village vr ngl

And horizon call of the mountain

[sick jackal]

meta quest 3 is primary for gaming?

[next osprey]

?

Its for gaming yes

[sick jackal]

its not like pear vision pro

right?

[next osprey]

No lol

[sick jackal]

do you know lots of things about gpus?

[next osprey]

What about em

[sick jackal]

if is memory junction temp 90 celcius ok

[next osprey]

Uh ask stuff like this in #1027757333117415424 or tech chat

[sick jackal]

sooo, you dont know? but honestly thank for help with VR

[sick jackal]

wait is gorrila tag on psvr 2?

[next osprey]

No

Its on pc and quest tho

[haughty thistle]

And you can play any PCVR game on the PSVR2 if you plug that headset into a PC

[rustic garnet]

Omg yes i started playing horizon zero dawn recently and i just love the world already 😭

[next osprey]

Forbidden west goes even harder

At least for the world

[rustic garnet]

oh i bet

im trying to stay as spoiler free as possible which is hard when im so curious

and school just started again so now i wont have time to just sit down all night and play

but also bc it's an rpg there's just so much stuff to do 😭😭

if someone asks me to go rescue their brother what am i gonna do say no??

i already have all the cups and i guess im like halfway through the main story maybe?

[next osprey]

Lol

[next osprey]

What about the power cells?

[rustic garnet]

um

three i think?

two to open the door and one of three to unlock the armour

and ive got just a few vantages left but the vantages aren't just vain collectables to me they're cool lore worldbuilding

I feel like we're off topic a bit

[next osprey]

:3

[next osprey]

Nahh

Pff

[rustic garnet]

i suppose all video game worlds are "virtual realities" of a kind

[next osprey]

Lol

[next osprey]

Get a better game

Tbh

Contractors, vail

Either one is good

Contractors has good mods

Contractors has ww2

And loads of mods

Really? I doubt it

Ive played semi recently

And mid

Full of babies

I mean thats a lot of quest games tbh

But vail and contractors are just objectively better

Pavlov is just flooded with lil kids tho

:p its toxic

Uhh idk

Yeah i do

I have so many referrals lol

Why tho

I legit dont have it cuz it was so ass in beta, its exactly the same in the full release

Contractors isnt much like showdown

I mean the ui

Is very different

Theres basically no ui in contractors normally

Lots of modded guns tho

Theres ww1, star wars battlefront, halo, call of duty, there's even some swordfighting games

And ww2 is just base game

Theres cod zombies

Nah theres more popular modpacks

And theres just generally a lot of players

[next osprey]

Oh also tf2

And realistic packs

Star wars, yes, ww1, usually

I do have a referral for that too

And many other games

Underdogs goes hard, need to get back to it

My only recent saved screenshot :/

[rustic garnet]

oh it's horrendous you literally can't play anything in public lobbies without running into bunches of kids

[next osprey]

Yeah unfortunately

[vestal pewter]

I wish I could just remotely update or install apps on my headset. In the app there is something where you can update it but then it tells me to put on the headset and open the app to update it. Why even say that you can update it in the app if you can't?

[weak bluff]

your phone is not the headset so... you need the headset to be on for it to update

its like installing app on playstore from your computer but your phone needs to be on anyways

[next osprey]

You can remote install as long as its not shut down

Updates will happen automatically if its not shut down and has an Internet connection

[vestal pewter]

It is on, I installed some apps earlier today so I guess I'll see if they're on when I get back home

[ashen sand]

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[next osprey]

If you are using airlink/virtual desktop its reccomended to get a router specifically for it, though a solid wifi 6e connection should be alright. Not gonna be as good as a cable tho

[haughty thistle]

Windows Hotspot has some terrible terrible problems for Wireless VR. There are methods of improving it, but you're still going to have a sub-par experience

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[haughty thistle]

The funky D-Link wireless dongle for the Quest 2 doesn't use Windows hotspot, instead the Meta software talks with it directly, hence why it's ok, but any other Wifi module you'd get in or for a PC is no bueno for Quest Wireless

[ashen sand]

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[haughty thistle]

It's more that the Windows hotspot is terrribly optimized. Windows is fine with Wifi and has been for years, but the translation for Windows hotspot basically fully loads your PCs CPU when you try to send as much data as AirLink or VD would...
Hotspots in general are quite messy with package translation and whatnot, so it's surprising it works at all, but yeah, like I said, with the amount of data needed for Air link it's basically gonna fully load your CPU, any router would be more efficient at handling wifi packets then Windows Hotspot is...

[ashen sand]

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[haughty thistle]

(same goes for Gnirehtet which uses Android's VPN feature and a piece of software on a PC to essentially give Windows a way to do USB tethering to Android devices; couldn't get it to work for more then a second on the Pico 4, Quest doesn't even support Android VPNs)

[haughty thistle]

Just get a second router for the Quest. It's the best you can do for Wireless PCVR

Using your already existing Wifi router will likely cause extra latency and dropouts, since then the Quest (which preferably would have the whole Wifi for it's own) now has to fight with other Wifi devices, like your Phone or Smart TV, for bandwidth...

[ashen sand]

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[haughty thistle]

You can plug that via LAN into your existing router and if you don't have enough LAN ports for that, just plug one of your PCs into the new router, they usually have a built-in switch these days...

[ashen sand]

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[haughty thistle]

I think there's existing lists of known-good Wifi 6 and 6e routers for Quest Wireless out there. Tho I'm personally not too deep into that rabbit hole so I can't give you a comprehensive list, but what I do know is that there's this Davolink Wifi 6e router , which is one of if not the cheapest 6e router on the market, that is a freakin' Minion. I'm not making this up, and it's known compatible with the Quest...

[haughty thistle]

Yeah. that would work just fine 😄

[ashen sand]

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[haughty thistle]

Davolink Minions Kevin Wifi 6e router I believe is it's name...

[ashen sand]

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[haughty thistle]

Understandable

[ashen sand]

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[haughty thistle]

That's just a Network switch, not a Wifi AP or router

[ashen sand]

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[haughty thistle]

I can tell you this much about these used enterprise switches, they may be very cheap on a per-port cost on the used market (if you hit the right timing), but they're usually older and not the most powerefficient ones you can get. Just as a fair warning if powerbill is important...

[ashen sand]

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[acoustic tide]

I wouldn't use older enterprise grade gigabit gear because a lot of it can literally be up to 20 years old nowadays at the very least which can impact as said power/heat/noise, but I also consider security (many CVE vulnerabilities for example) and reliability (like it dying). you can find fewer port switches made much more recently for very cheap, or free on local marketplaces for 1 gigabit speeds. but once you start looking into multigig, you will see most gear goes straight to 10gbe since enterprise really didn't deal with anything in between for either SFP(+) or RJ45 except as of more recently for Wifi 6E APs, etc.

the tp link ax3000 (router, not AP) that you looked at for 50 (which currency?) is still using 5ghz for wireless communications which depending on your dormitory can be just as bad as 2.4ghz for overlapping signals from other people. you may really have to go Wifi 6E if you don't want sudden hitches in your stream to your HMD.

if you have an android phone you should grab a wifi analyzer app to see if there is crowded traffic on the 5ghz band like this one below, it can look on any ghz bands your phone can look on (2.4ghz, 5ghz, 6ghz)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=abdelrahman.wifianalyzerpro

[ashen sand]

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[little plinth]

I'm waiting for them pico 4u reviews

See how the XR2 Gen 2 and the WiFi7 handle PCVR

[weak bluff]

You can test your speed to headset using openspeedtest

https://openspeedtest.com/selfhosted-speedtest#Desktop-Mobile-Apps

I tested myself getting 600Mbps at 3ms which isnt great but bearable

[real pasture]

600mbps at 3ms? thats really good wdym

[next osprey]

mid

[river berry]

only apple product ill ever buy

now i finally have a proper strap for my beyond

[rustic garnet]

right wth on wifi that's amazing

[raw gate]

feet

[rustic garnet]

attentive

[tacit zinc]

Sus

[rustic garnet]

wait remind me what's the scoop on wmr theyre removing official support when and can you use them after unofficially

[boreal siren]

linux bare bones computer like headset lol

[gloomy crater]

The official statement is that starting with Windows 11 version 24H2 windows mixed reality will be deprecated and not be functional in future versions of windows. By November 2026, WMR will be completely nonfunctional on Windows 11, not sure about win10 or how that will go once updates for win10 stop.

No real news as to whether or not third party efforts will allow you to continue to use WMR features after the proposed cutoff date as of yet.

[rustic garnet]

yeah how about windows 10 ... I wouldn't touch windows 11 with an 11 foot pole 😋

[weak bluff]

Windows 10 will work just fine

alternatively you can use Windows 11 23H2 until November 11, 2025

[haughty thistle]

WMR is only unavailable starting with Win11 24H2, tho even using an older version of Windows, you won't be able to download the runtime starting in 2026 I believe?

[acoustic tide]

I haven't directly tested it, but I am very confident I could get WMR to work on Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021, I would use power shell to manually download everything needed for WMR and the benefit of the specific version is it will be supported by Microsoft with security updates until 2032.

[weak bluff]

yesnt

Windows LTSC does have long support

but

its not for consumer so it does have missing features you might need

it will also not get feature update in a long time

[acoustic tide]

Nothing you can't fix with powershell

[acoustic tide]

What features? Recall? Lmao

You can manually get the uwp and resources you need for WMR and just roll like that.

I mean, can't say anything from windows 11 I sorely miss on 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC

[weak bluff]

that does not matter cuz LTSC already has those

also you arent suppose to be able to buy its license

its designed for hardware that wont change in years

there wont be improvement for a while as long it is stable

ofc i like to use it but only for secondary machines

also if things break, googling solution may be harder

[rustic garnet]

Cant you just keep it on a usb

[weak bluff]

Windows features varies for example 23H2 has: new file explorer, windows backup, taskbar grouping, new volume mixer, 7zip and rar support, ...

[acoustic tide]

1. And Microsoft expected everyone who bought WMR in the last few years to just roll over, meanwhile og vive users still are rolling.

2. Do you constantly upgrade your PC on a bi monthly basis?

3. If you are on hardware that has been released within the last two years, you could use the preview LTSC 2024 builds from OEMs, but if you are on for example Ryzen 5000 / RTX 30 Series, you'll be more then fine on LTSC 2021.

4. What "improvement"? You want more Microsoft slop pushed on ya? I don't see much of anything on Windows 11. (Also don't lie, I am on LTSC 2021 and after updating I had the new windows backup.)

5. I have a strong feeling in the future more people will be talking about it as it'll be 10 LTSC 2021, Windows 11, or Linux for VR/Gaming in general.

[weak bluff]

look im not here to argue tell us how that wmr goes

[acoustic tide]

I don't have a WMR headset to directly test with, but I would be more then willing to try to get it to work on an LTSC build if one were borrowed out to me to document the process on my free time. Would find it as an important resource for the few who still like their HP Reverb G2's

(And write out how basically)

[haughty thistle]

Nope. The WMR runtime can only be installed when setting up a WMR headset for the first time on a Windows install and it will always download the runtime from the internet. So once M$ turns off the download servers for that, WMR is officially gone...

[rustic garnet]

What why lmao

Follow up question can you spoof the server

[haughty thistle]

Prolly not given it's likely checking for the SSL cert...

[weak bluff]

Sounds like how Samsung does with GearVR

[rustic garnet]

hey gang has anyone experienced different levels of motion sickness with different headsets

and any ideas what that might be caused by?

[weak bluff]

you can get car sickness meds as temporary solution

adjust IPD to perfect, balance weight

ocasionally take breaks

adjust comfort with snap rotation, reduce motion

get fast PC, balance quality and framerate because poor quality image with high framerate is also bad

[rustic garnet]

that was not my question

faffing about with a wmr headset rn as opposed to the cv1 rift i usually use

they're both 90 hz and the tracking quality seems good enough to not cause issues in itself

But im thinking the latency might be a little higher bc the extra camera processing and the lcd panel having slower response times

and my ipd isn't quite right and the lenses have slightly less fov i think

And also the lenses of course have a different distorsion profile that im not used to

[rustic garnet]

But overall im quite impressed by how good the experience is considered how cheap and charmingly simple the hardware is

and as a steam controller fan i appreciate the touchpads lol

Real bummer there's no built in audio tho bc wearing bulky headphones over it is not particularly comfy

[weak bluff]

Well if you want lowest latency, Rift CV1 have lowest display latency but no one should get that anymore

If you wnat good position tracking, install vive tracker on headset

[rustic garnet]

oh my goooooood reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it

[weak bluff]

When you say this i thought you are trying to compare tracking latency and response time?

Sorry

[bitter axle]

i have a weird issue. i am using a quest 2 and i tried out 360 video players on both pcvr and via quest directly.

what i noticed is that videos that surpass the visual quality on the quest itself either crashed the video player after a few seconds, or ran fine with an automatically downscaled version of the video

on pcvr tho, the video player ive tried (heresphere) slows down the frames by a lot when playing videos with too big of a resolution

is there another video software or a setting to consider on pcvr that makes those videos playable? or do i have to manually convert it to the quests maximum resolution for every video i download?

[weak bluff]

try Steam 360 video player https://store.steampowered.com/app/613220/Steam_360_Video_Player/

Steam

Steam 360 Video Player

The Steam 360 Video Player allows SteamVR compatible VR headsets to playback Steam 360 Video content that can be found on the Steam Store. Once installed, you can find 360 videos on the Steam store.The Steam 360 Video Player is currently in Beta. More information about the 360 Video Beta can be found here.Update: An early test for Non-HMD playba...

this is a very basic player

[bitter axle]

i tried it but it doesnt play local files

it only plays files that are built into the steam library

basically just an embed player for steamvr

[weak bluff]

have you tried this? https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/250820/view/2898585530113876153

it can play local media

[real pasture]

can anyone help me run steamvr on this?

||joke post btw||

[rustic garnet]

what the flippy doodle is that

[haughty thistle]

Looks like Winlator (Windows application emulation on Android phones)

[next osprey]

I wanna do that ngl

My phone could probably run some older PC games pretty well lol

[haughty thistle]

People have gotten Fallout 4 at lowest settiungs running... 30fps on a Snapdragon 8 Gen2

[next osprey]

I have a snapdragon 8 gen 3 with active cooling

[haughty thistle]

The clip that I saw (no idea from when it was tho) said that Winlator didn't yet have a driver for the Adreno GPU in the 8 Gen3, or at least they couldn't get it to work... this ofc could've long since been changed...

[weak bluff]

Windows arm to x64 emulator?

[haughty thistle]

The other way around. Win x86_64 to Android Arm emulation

Tho it does some simpler translation to. iirc it takes DX instructions and translates then straight to VK for Android...

[next osprey]

Well there are games in vulkan arent there?

Lol

Idk

I dont know much about emulation

Why are we in virtual reality

Oop

[real pasture]

because i posted a video of trying to run steamvr on winlator

[next osprey]

Yeah

Ok

[next osprey]

Do you have any idea if its been updated to work?

[haughty thistle]

Dunno

Do I look like the Google Assistant or Siri?

[next osprey]

:(

Sorry

[haughty thistle]

I mean... it was a fair question, but I think I already made kinda clear that I didn't do a whole lot of research about it lol

[next osprey]

:(

[rustic garnet]

oh lmao why would you wanna run steamvr on that

[next osprey]

Why wouldn't you smh

[rustic garnet]

blaaarrrgghhh im really excited for future haptics tech

everyone is always talking about how good their headset is and how many pixels it has and how little sde it has and how wide the fov is and how crisp the lenses are

But at the same time everyone is just using the same controller layout that oculus figured out 8 years ago

i so badly wanna be able to reach out and actually TOUCH stuff

[bold knoll]

I have a meta quest 2 and I want to link it to my pc with the link cable but I don’t have a usb c on my motherboard, what can I do to fix this without sacrificing too much cable speed

[next osprey]

Do you have a usb c on your case?

[bold knoll]

nop

[next osprey]

You probably should have checked if you have the correct port on your pc before buying a link cable... There are plenty that are normal usb

[bold knoll]

i didnt say i bought it

[next osprey]

Ok then

Get a link cable that uses usb on the pc side

[bold knoll]

are the other ones as fast as the original one?

[next osprey]

The kiwi design one is solid

[next osprey]

You are gonna reach the limits of the headset port before you reach the limits of the cable

Unfortunately the quest does not have a displayport

[bold knoll]

alright

thank you

[next osprey]

Okie

I use the kiwi design cable and it works fine

I have a 7900xt lol

Ugh i wish the quests had displayport

I mean cmon not even on the quest 3

[bold knoll]

u mean so u can plug in the quest to the gpu?

[hollow crypt]

probably what does the quest have?

if mini hdmi you could probably make it work

[next osprey]

Not necessarily, its so you can actually push full resolution over the cable properly

[next osprey]

Usb 3.0 lol

Its just a usb c port with 3.0 speeds

[cold shard]

The XR2 doesn't have much in the way of serial receivers. Just 3 PCIe gen 3 lanes and the USB 3.1 host. One PCIe lane is already taken by the WiFi chip. Do you know if that's a gen 1 or gen 2 USB 3.1 controller? Qualcomm's "fact" sheet doesn't specify and I don't own a q3 to check

[weak bluff]

Quest 3 only uses USB 3.0/3.1 Gen 1/3.2 Gen 1 if you need to know what specs it uses

[cold shard]

The best they'd be able to implement is a pair of HBR2 lanes with those PCIe lanes, but it would require an external PCIe DP sink. If that USB controller is gen 2, that's barely an upgrade

[weak bluff]

USB speed does not matter if it is not hooked to PCI-E lane

[cold shard]

Ah, then that would be a good doubling of bandwidth. 5Gb to 10.8Gb. though really more given that you don't actually get 5Gb through USB 3.1 gen 1 in reality

[weak bluff]

if they really wanted displayport they wouldnt open PCI-E access rather just direct displayport

[weak bluff]

nono they are all max 5Gbps

all those names i mentioned

they are all 5Gbps

[cold shard]

There is no displayport sink on the XR2. Only DP sources. They would need to attach a PCIe DP sink to the available PCIe lanes on the xr2

[weak bluff]

idk about that

but quest headsets made no effort exposing displayport

[cold shard]

I do know about that. Unless you're suggesting Qualcomm has a secret DP sink on the XR2 they're not telling people about. They list every other interface (albeit lacking specificity with respect to generation)

[weak bluff]

no idk if they do

[cold shard]

The XR2 fact sheet is public if you want to look for yourself

[weak bluff]

besides do you really need displayport to connect to main computer if its main goal is to go to display

[cold shard]

Even with desktop driving the render, the XR2 is still being used for all the XR processing. They'd have to replace a bunch of Qualcomm IP with software components if they bypassed the XR2 and went directly to the display. They certainly could do it given they did before they went standalone, but idk if they would.

[weak bluff]

what

[cold shard]

As in camera passthrough. Ig they could feed that stream to the desktop over USB and combine it there just like a regular headset.

[weak bluff]

idk where you got information that they need to replace qualcomm IP with different software component

true or not, that isnt an issue knowing Pico did it

Pico has standalone headset with displayport capability its called Pico Neo 3

[cold shard]

Part of the XR2 is "free" IP integrated with the ISP for low latency camera passthrough. It would be very strange if they didn't use it

[weak bluff]

There is nothing difficult preventing meta from releasing displayport capable headset. Meta just don't want it.

[cold shard]

Given the scale of meta that is true. I'm only pointing out that it's not trivial due to the lack of a DP sink. None of what I've mentioned are insurmountable challenges, but I always hear the thing is sold at a loss so I can't imagine they want to add further engineering costs

[weak bluff]

its not about engineering cost the cost of adding it is cheap its just Meta has been suffering from people buying headset for purpose of free games or PCVR only

their PC store is dead, they don't benefit from giving good reason to use PC

their PCVR support via Link is an afterthought and their goal is to convert PCVR users to buy standalone games

Meta makes money when people buy standalone games not when people use PCVR. Unless they sell games on PCVR too, they may consider.

or just make streaming experience better

[rustic garnet]

Oh okay then ig it makes sense

[little plinth]

Considering how mid the sales of the neo 3 link was

[next osprey]

No idea, i have a quest 3

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[weak bluff]

what is that

[next osprey]

Wifi probably

[weak bluff]

as in 1.3Gb? 1.3 band?

1.3 product name?

[next osprey]

No idea

[devout trail]

1.3 as in 1.3gbps speed common on AC or AX routers

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[weak bluff]

Am i wrong i don't see 1.3 gbps as standard only 1 Gbps, 2.5Gbps

Anyways can you say the full router name like manufacturer and model that would be more helpful

But anyways, any router with Gigabit ethernet and 5Ghz wifi 5 will work well

[devout trail]

Wireless speeds not wired. Like how you see AC1300 or AX3000 on a router name. The number usually represents the theoretical max speeds the router can push across both 2.4 and 5ghz bands simultaneously.

Wifi 5 is labeled as AC

AX is 6/6e

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, theoratical max speed in an RF silent chamber, with only that single AP and one client connected at like 10cm distance...
Those are speeds you will never ever see in the real world... and as you said, these companies bend the truth even more by claiming the combined Wifi 4n AND Wifi 5ac speed, which no client can use simultanious anyways... (yes, there's Wifi 7 MLO, but if the router or client isn't Wifi 7 capable, you won't be getting MLO)

[weak bluff]

Oh wireless yeah that make sense

Im pretty sure crappiest 5Ghz Wi-Fi 5 always have more than enough bandwidth

But how well it connects depends on other factors

[haughty thistle]

For h.265 Wifi 5 is fine (as long as the Quest is the only device on that Wifi 5 AP and no other APs are on the same channel nearby), but if you want h.264 at more then 180mbit (so it's not poopy but remains lower latency) you'd want 6GHz...

[weak bluff]

so wifi 6E or higher then

[haughty thistle]

Personally I'd stick to h.265 anyways as it's way easier to drive then high bitrate h.264 and the latency penalty isn't that bad...

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[acoustic tide]

5Ghz works with both Steam Link 350mbps, and H265 250mbps on VD.

I am on a WiFi 6 Access Point with dedicated band (5ghz) and it is perfectly fine at full resolution @120hz.

The AP I use is the Netgear WAX214 if interested, yet it's discontinued now.

(Note they really shouldn't have discontinued it, it is still really relevant and useful for 90% of home and business users.)

It does hit 1gig over wireless fine.

Though I will state.

if your 5ghz band spectrum is pretty crowded, you really should get 6ghz for wireless vr, as there is no way to remove traffic from different WiFi devices using the band without asking your neighbors to lower their antenna power (which they probably won't do) or move.

Unfortunately if you are quest 2/1 or non 6ghz enabled HMDs, you are SOL in that case.

[haughty thistle]

I was talking spedcifically about Wifi 5, not 5GHz in general...
Wifi 6 is just protocol improvements over Wifi 5, since both are on 5GHz, both are limited by the same band speed restrictions. Tho while the protocol improvements don't mean any real improvement in max speed or latency, it does mean the Quest can load the Wifi more efficiently. The rated speed of Wifi is mostly a lie anyways...

I'm not even sure the Quest 2/Pro can do more then 150Mbit/s on anything that's not h.264. I think the XR2 Gen1 tops out at 150Mbit/s for those codecs anyways...

[weak bluff]

you mean bottleneck is mostly how much bandwidth headset can decode?

might explain why i never top 500Mbps speed test and hover peak 130Mbps

[haughty thistle]

The actual video decoder might be limited to 150mbit/s as a bitrate for anything that's not h.264, but when it comes to wifi speed limits, that's all just how well your RF environment is. In general tho, rated speeds of Wifi are mostly a lie. Yes, in theory under the upmost of ideal conditions you could potentially get that speed, but those ideal conditions consist of 1 Wifi AP and 1 client in an RF silent chamber, with basically 0 other RF signals floating around. You cannot replecate those conditions at home...
So realistic speeds are usually half or less then the rated speed, plus actually loading the wifi with data means the latency will spike up, even if you just have one device connected, sooo.... yeah... Wifi just sucks for VR...

[whole fern]

Hey do any of you guys use TTSVoiceWizard? Somebody was trying to convince me that it has a trojan that activates after like a year, but like thats not usually how virsues work right?

[haughty thistle]

If it's a proper trojan it might have a sleep time to maximize install base before activation

(Definition of a trojan is an application that actually does what it advertises, but brings hidden malware with it as well; hence why it might want to delay activation)

[weak bluff]

but since H.265 uses more processing power doesn't it get worse quality when bandwidth is not an issue

[haughty thistle]

Yesn't

You need quite bit higher bitrate with h.264 to get comparable image quality to h.265

how much depends on your encoders and decoders, but general rule of thumb is 1.5 - 2x more bitrate is required on h.264 to get similar image quality to h.265...

[little plinth]

idk if it's my router or XR2's limit but i struggle to push past 150mbit

my router should be able to push 400mbit easily

at least when doing an iperf test on my phone

[haughty thistle]

Do you have anything else connected to the router? If so then there's your answer...

AirLink/VD/ALVR/Steam Link are also super sensitive to spikes in latency. While your wifi might be easily able to push 400 at any latency, the Quest will not use that if it means that the latency will be half a second...

VD measures my Wifi at 833mbit/s max, but will not use more then 180mbit/s, so yeah...

[little plinth]

only the headset is connected via wifi