virtual-reality

[pliant leaf]

Which the answer is no

[toxic wasp]

i never asked for "better to buy X"

[pliant leaf]

It won’t work forever it will work as long as you actively work with it to make it run games

[toxic wasp]

so however long i want, which in theory is forever, no?

[devout trail]

Youll learn soon enough. Go get a Q1 and figure it out yourself.

[pliant leaf]

This

[toxic wasp]

am tempted.

[devout trail]

No do it.

You try to shove it down everyones throats that its the best idea theres just soo much reason to do it. Then do it.

[toxic wasp]

ill keep yall updated post EOL if i do, im deciding between a Nugget ARM Laptop and a Q1

[devout trail]

Since a q2 is "too expensive" lol

No dont....we dont care lol

[toxic wasp]

i never said that anyone should do as i do, that you said yourself. all im trying to say is "i dont see why it would stop working with the shit that already works if you dont update, and if it somehow stops working, id like to know how" which to this point, hasnt been properly answered, all ive gotten is "the drivers that are gonna be in the newer meta pc app are not gonna support the old headset", to which i said "just use the older meta app then, steam still will recognize the old meta app, because why shouldnt it, its just providing a openvr connection anyway. whatever thats after the openvr connection (old meta app, new meta app, trinusVR, iVRy) doesnt particularly matter, except for controller layouts, which can be solved via button remapping"

[devout trail]

Bud youre too worried about what EXACTLY I type EXACTLY how I type it. Read between the lines. Just go buy the Q1 and do your own thing. You will get a realistic understanding of how it works on your own accord.

[toxic wasp]

sorry, but im not gonna read between the lines, as im not going to treat this as a school poetry understanding session.

[devout trail]

No its called common sense and not taking everything as word for word.

[toxic wasp]

not to mention that reading between the lines causes missunderstandings

[devout trail]

Misunderstandings to the simple minded that is. Thats the point.

[toxic wasp]

sorry that im german, i like to take stuff exact and accuratly.

ill admit, im not good at social interactions, so what?

[devout trail]

Ok, irrelevant. Just go get your Q1 and be happy dude.

[toxic wasp]

likely going to

unless im going to get the arm laptop but oh well

[little plinth]

So what happened here

[honest sphinx]

Well you see

https://tenor.com/view/twho-hours-later-sp-funny-gif-18933136

the end

[devout trail]

I can wrap DLLs to make a Quest 1 last forever!

[rapid otter]

This is thing is insane.

[little plinth]

Good now use it to fire a 5000RPM gatling gun

[toxic wasp]

once again not what i said. stop putting your own imagination and twists inbetween my words. i said i used "dll" wrapping and kernel development stuff to get vulkan to work on older non supported OS's. quest 1 wont need anything of that kind to get working, just some basic anti update measures.

[pliant leaf]

And I can say Linux buzz words I googled 30 seconds ago to make a quest 1 work with the meta app!

[devout trail]

It was a joke, genius......smh....

[toxic wasp]

if it wasnt for server rules id share some source code, but the acceptablility/legality is questionable.

(atleast in this servers view on stuff. its perfectly fine from a purely legal standpoint where i am)

[pliant leaf]

bro i never asked for that

i simpily made a joke

[toxic wasp]

a joke would imply there being a punchline, and there are two ways i could be wrong. 1) im a german and i dont get the joke/or it isnt funny enough for me to laugh, or 2) there is no punchline.
either way, whatever..

[pliant leaf]

the punch line is that the things we are saying are what you were doing lol

[toxic wasp]

Except they werent?

But believe whatever you want, im not going to bother arguing any further, just not worth my time

[sullen linden]

Bro is deep diving with Reddit level sophistication on a punchline he'll remember for 2 hours hehe

[pliant leaf]

bro got a phd in punchline physic

[sullen linden]

Nah fr

[pliant leaf]

that but he never graduated from "when you ask a question to people who know what there talking about dont argue it and actually listen class"

[sullen linden]

Why are you both arguing about a joke

It's a joke, your call if you like it or not.

[pliant leaf]

im not arguing a joke lol

[weak bluff]

seems it should be similar so its all preference

[outer aurora]

yall think psvr2 with the pc adapter will be any good

ignoring the fact that it wont use eye tracking, hdr, and other stuff

its still a pcvr headset with no compression and OLED display, good refresh rate for about $500

With inside out tracking

[weak bluff]

Yeah I think so

If you already have Index its the cheapest production OLED you can upgrade to

[outer aurora]

yea i think it might be a good option

[outer aurora]

with or without index honestly, i have a quest 2 but even with a pcvr ready pc, using link cable or airlink compresses quality and i dont gaf about standalone atp

especially with the new mixed reality gimmicks

[sullen linden]

I just want to get a good pcvr headset

that’s not 700-809

[weak bluff]

You can buy Quest 3

[sullen linden]

That’s what i plan to do

Just gotta get paid

[sullen linden]

I meant the other bloke haha

[pliant leaf]

Oh lol mb sorry I thought you meant that to me

[sullen linden]

No need to apologise

Damn why is everyone here so apologetic

It's so nice

[real pasture]

except the times where people argue for no reason about old hardware and make fun of someone whos trying to ve unique

[soft gulch]

welcome to the internet™️

[real pasture]

cough the situation that took place 12h ago cough

[hollow zenith]

Would these specs run VRChat well? i5-13400F, 16GB 3600Mhz RAM, RTX 4060

[real pasture]

yeah, it will run it decently enough

[outer aurora]

Yea I just want native pcvr support

Without compression 🥺

Do yall think pancake lenses are all that compared to frasnel

Or fresnel idk

[little plinth]

Pancake lense give more clarity boost than native can dream to give

On similarly priced headset that is

[hollow zenith]

I went for an i7-13700, 32 GB DDR5 and RTX 4060

[rustic garnet]

the gpu is the weakest link still

[hollow zenith]

Hey, I'm upgrading from a laptop

I7-13620H, RTX 4060 Mobile, 32 gb ddr5

I get decent frames on vrchat already but I need that extra oomph

Ykwim?

[weak bluff]

there is nothing you can upgrade other than new laptop or PC

if you are on Meta Quest try Oculus Killer or VD to free up performance

[sullen linden]

What this person said ^

I used my Quest 2 for the first time in a year and a half, and man i regret going to a cv1. The resolution is so much better, Sadly my quest 2 is a crap shoot

[hollow zenith]

That's what I meant

I'm buying a new PC

[little plinth]

Budget first

Or else the answer would just be the typical 7950x3D 4090 128GB RAM kind.

[weak bluff]

same experience when i switched to Rift S

then i tried to move from AMD to Nvidia and artifact got way less

[sullen linden]

yea

I’ve used both and i like Nvidia more than AMd gpu wise

I will forever use AMD cpus

[eager mesa]

excuse me but i have a slightly strange and specific issue regarding my experience in VR

for context, i have an rx 7600xt and i use quest link with cable to connect my quest 2 to my pc, the issue is that when i play something like vrchat, there is something in between oculus, steamVR and vrchat that is forcing Vsync-half on forcing my fps to half the refreshrate and it's bothering me because it doesn't allow for my graphics card to push out enough frames and also makes my gpu utilization less than normal, i didn't have this issue when i first got the 7600xt and it's a recent issue i've been having.

[weak bluff]

combinations of Asynchronous Timewarp, Asynchronous Reprojection and Asynchronous Spacewarp

when your PC is capable lets say generate 85fps the computer will process differently to make motion better into 72fps to reduce motion sickness

your PC is already working as hard as it can

make sure you are not on power saver mode or have CPU bottleneck

your frames being forced into 90, 72, 60, 50, 45, 40 frames is probably asynchronous reprojection rather than Vsync https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_reprojection#:~:text=Asynchronous reprojection is a class,the headset's target frame rate.

it extrapolates multiple frame into 1 frame to reduce motion that could make you sick at least in theory it should help

your game will mostly always run at headset refresh rate (if your Quest 2 is on 120Hz, it always run 120fps even tho game does not run 120fps) thanks to Asynchronous Reprojection so your headset cant run at half refresh rate and this is explained by LTT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvqrlgKuowE

[little plinth]

ASync will never go beyond half your panel's refresh rate

in case of Q2 if 120hz is enabled it'll be 60fps at best

it trades latency for smoothness

60fps Async (so 120fps on the display) will feel smoother than 90fps native but it will feel more sluggish

[eager mesa]

the thing is that like sure, when i'm running at like 20fps it doesn't feel as terrible as it would normally but i'd rather be able to reach my refresh rate, do you know where i can turn off Async?

[haughty thistle]

Never confuse ATW with ASW!
ATW (or Asynchronous Time Warp) is meant to reduce latency by reprojecting the last frame in 3D space, so that camera movement always happens at the refreshrate of your display. VR even goes a step further and tries to predict headmovement, so that the image is in the correct location for where the head is by the time the image is displayed. Without ATW, VR would still be as much of a vomit machine as it always was in the distant past (90s)
ASW (or Asynchronous Space Warp) is meant to smooth out motion. SteamVR calls it Motion Smoothing for a good reason. It's basically what a lot of cheaper TVs do when they claim to have super high refreshrates: it's basically just motion interpolation. Tho combined with ATW to keep latency low.

ASW indeed reduces your actual framerate, because for good ASW you want a predictable and stable framerate. If your PC already can't hit the 90fps or whatever your headset needs, then it halves it to keep that consistent FPS. If your PC can't hit the half fps target, then it reduces the target down to a third of native (so 30fps for 90Hz as an example)

ATW does not reduce your framerate, and is in fact forced on with pretty much every headset these days. Let me reiterate: you do not want to disable ATW

The problem is the naming. I like to call "ASW" motion smoothing, as it's basically just that, while ATW, which is what Linus was talking about in the video above, goes by many different names. LTT decided to go with Async Reprojection, which sadly is also how SteamVR used to refer to motion smoothing, and Varjo still is doing so. It is not what is discussed in the video above.

[outer aurora]

What is oculus killer?

[eager mesa]

i understand, thank you

[sullen linden]

Basically stops oculus and makes your headset a steam vr headset (Kinda)

[outer aurora]

I just looked it up... does it only effect the headset when running link or does it revamp the headset entirely?

[sullen linden]

Link only

i’m pretty sure

[outer aurora]

oh okay

there is also the new-ish steamlink software available on quest 2 and 3 which has massive performance upgrades over oculus link

not sure if oculuskiller is still better than that

[sullen linden]

not sure i haven’t used it yet

[outer aurora]

I would reccomend it if you use pcvr regularly. Night and day difference as opposed to oculus link

[haughty thistle]

The benefit you have with wired link is: way lower latency at way higher bitrates. At least in my experience. Sure, even on a USB cable is the Quest beaten by basically everything else with a native DP in, but it beats running it over any Wifi connection. Wifi just sucks for the purposes of VR, and Meta (also Guy Godin with VD and Valve with SteamLinkVR) just shoehorned it in because people don't care for anything except getting rid of the cable

Personally I don't understand the universal hate that people seem to have for the cable in VR. Sure, it is an annoyence, but I just don't really see the benefits outweighing the downsides of Wifi based wireless PCVR tbh... (same applies to the Nofio adapter for the Index btw)

[outer aurora]

speak yo shit cuh

you tell em

[little plinth]

no cable is simply better for immersion

the marginal improvements of using USB over WiFI is not worth the hassle of cable

my wifi 6 router is still one of my best QoL purchase for VR

Blade and sorcery and pavlov especially

[haughty thistle]

I don't really think that a cable is a bigger immersion breaker then a big bulky box on your face
For me as long as the cable is long enough it doesn't get in my way, it's not an immesion problem for me

I'm not saying that wireless is stupid, no far from it, I just think the way it's done currently is just wrong. We had a 60GHz Wireless solution for VR, and other then an overheating issue (due to 0 active cooling in the receiving end) it was pretty much perfect...
I'm talking about the Vive Wireless Adapter ofc. Technically the wireless backbone in that system is actually just a wireless USB 3.0 system, with a USB GPU by DisplayLink for powering the video side of it, but because it brought it's own USB controller (meaning it could actually use the full 5gbps promised by USB 3!) and because it has it's own dedicated link on a barely utilized Wireless band, it could actually run at full 5gbps all the time. That seemed to be plenty of bandwidth for at least the 2880x1600@90Hz that the Vive Pro 1 required

[little plinth]

they do get in your way that's the issue

a pulley system is a shit ton of effort

and it also locks you in one playspace

[haughty thistle]

Never used a pully system

They just break your cables, by actively pulling on them

[dull tide]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XsVcXA2k5oU?

[haughty thistle]

Ok, but those were mostly just shooters

outside of that, well we do got some actual game IPs in VR. The number one game on the GameBoy actually does have a VR spin-off: Tetris Effect VR 😉

[pliant leaf]

Quest 3 or pico 4 for msfs and some stand alone and other pcvr games

[pliant leaf]

Update: I decided to get the quest 3

[weak bluff]

Meta basically has dominant standalone library

[thin dragon]

Bro 500$ + accessories is crazy expensive thats the issue for me

These compatible w kiwi design headstrap??

[sullen linden]

you can find a quest 3 for cheaper

i found one on facebook for 390

[eager mesa]

i use cable simply because i want to play for as long as possible without losing a lot of battery, heck i even gabled 15$ on aliexpress for a special charging link cable

[little plinth]

that's what my little backpack and a 20k mAh battery is for

still less hindrance than a cable

[eager mesa]

ye sure but i also don't have a large playspace nor a good router, sure it's wifi 6 but it's the cheapest possible one (if you know routers, you damn know that D-Link sucks ASS)

[little plinth]

i used to run a 10m ethernet setup
so cable length is not an issue at all and it's still shit

the amount of times i need to break immersion to use my leg to kick the cable around

rapid spins in blade and sorcery? good luck

5 minutes of pavlov and you accumulated enough spin to be a coil

without cable i can do so many crazy moves in B&S to actually feel like a badass

[eager mesa]

i mostly play vrchat sitting at my desk lol

[real pasture]

people think the cable is an immersion breaker is because there is always that cable on your back or in front of you that you keep feeling on your body, plus being wireless means you can spin in one direction for as long as you want, because there is no cable that will break because of that
sure, you do get the compression and latency, but for most people that are pro-wireless this isnt a deal breaker, and they just want to be as immersed as they can, and latency or compression isnt an annoyance to those people

[real pasture]

ouch

[pliant leaf]

I LOVE THE QUEST 3!! I just returned my quest 2 and went to microcenter and got the q3

[old fjord]

I bought the quest pro right before the quest 3 was announced... starting to have buyer's remorse, especially with the recent q3 exclusive games

the eye tracking is the only thing keeping me from considering selling the quest pro and buying the quest 3

[pliant leaf]

What’s good about eye tracking? It’s crazy overrated

[barren anchor]

Fr

[gloomy crater]

Aren't the quest pro controllers also better than the Q3's? You'd think that would also be a reason to keep the pro

[little plinth]

Yea, unless you use it for dynamic foveated rendering it's literally just a show off feature.

[pliant leaf]

No they are practically the same

[gloomy crater]

Huh, I thought the QP controllers had that crazy internal camera thing where the controllers track themselves to eliminate obfuscation and the Q3's just used traditional LED tracking but that's probably just something I heard a while ago and took as fact

[pliant leaf]

No it’s the same as qp

The q3 controllers would have the halo if that was so

[devout trail]

Incorrect. Jay is correct the pro controllers have the cameras and self tracking whereas the Q3 controllers are tracked by the headset itself. Theres plenty of youtube videos and spec pages comparing the two. Even on metas own page its visible on the controllers themselves.

[outer aurora]

Which was honestly a pretty smart workaround imo

[weak bluff]

QP cant even do foverated rendering

in PCVR

[outer aurora]

Thanks to meta’s horrible PCVR support

Not only have they not updated the software since the rift s days, they even removed the quest home from link

Steam is doing their job better than them

[amber sleet]

well when isn't valve better than someone 😭

[outer aurora]

When it comes to making a game in under 10 millenniums 😭😭😭

But yea valve does it the best

And meta honestly does software super horribly

Such good hardware development just for bad support and focusing on the Metaverse

[pliant leaf]

Steam deck oled is crying rn

ally x emerges

[amber sleet]

im experiencing hissing with my iems connected to the quest 3

and thats after getting a replacement

[pliant leaf]

Get a adapter it fixes it

Quest 3 just dosent have the best headphone port

A adapter will fix it

They are like $5

[amber sleet]

i tried running it through my portable dac it didnt work all to well either

to be fair that was before my replacement

[pliant leaf]

Hm

[amber sleet]

ill try that in a sec

[pliant leaf]

Is it notworking or just hissing?

[amber sleet]

it works theres just hissing included in everything i press on the menu

[pliant leaf]

I haven’t tried iems on my q3 but on my q2 they won’t work

[amber sleet]

it gets annoying after some time

[pliant leaf]

Yeah try a adapter

Should fix it

[amber sleet]

and in games i dont experience that stuff

tried running it through my dac it still poopie

[amber sleet]

@pliant leaf could you recommend me some adapters?

[pliant leaf]

Idk any exact ones

Just any cheap Amazon one with good reviews

[weak bluff]

no i think it has to do with latency

foveated rendering require really low latency

Quest Pro being non native guarantees impossible to do in PCVR

[little plinth]

Or else you end up out of focus all the time

If you move your eyes a lot

Anyway what are some good simulator games

That are not flight

I already got them

Except job sim i already know that one

I'm wanting somethings like working in a power plant

[weak bluff]

tried powerwash sim?

[little plinth]

Saw it but seems boring

Not like controlling a power plant sounds fun either, but it's kinda my thing kek

[weak bluff]

eurotruck sim

beamng

[little plinth]

Got no wheel

[thin dragon]

guys im thinking of returning my quest 2 for 3 is it really that worth it

500$ + accessories + games is like close to a 1000 which is crazy

[weak bluff]

why do you want quest 3

[haughty thistle]

SteamLink does foveated encoding. Sure, it still is no native PCVR headset the Quest Pro, but it does actually improve the perceived image quality in the outer areas.
All Quest PCVR solutions utilize foveated encoding, but SteamLink is the only one to use the Quest Pro Eye Tracking to move the foveated area around to where you're looking, meaning no perceived quality loss towards the edges of the FOV.
Plus, Foveated Rendering is basically extra render performance for free (for games that can be modded to use it) and for Social VR, like VRChat, it does make your facial expressions significantly more lifelike 😄

[thin dragon]

I ask if its worth it

[weak bluff]

exactly and its not worth if you dont have good reason

like do you need AR features

does your game have better content with it

btw Quest Pro eye tracking foveated encoding at best reduce encoder quality penalty, performance wise is no difference

[thin dragon]

in my region quest pro and quest 3 is same price

[thin dragon]

Well doesnt oculus 3 have better performance and quest 2 will be cut off soon

[weak bluff]

you have 3 more years for Quest 2

if you call that soon

plus security update until December 2027

[hollow zenith]

is anyone available to call? i need some help with something

[haughty thistle]

Don't ask to ask. What's the problem?

[hollow zenith]

figuring out what cooler to get to replace the crap stock intel cooler i was provided in my prebuilt

I assume i should replace that, as this is going to be a VR PC

but i just cant figure out if the space i have will be enough for another cooler

[devout trail]

Youd want to ask about that in the tech support channel. That looks like a prebuilt HP or similar and usually those dont adhere to regular socket specs as they mostly use proprietary parts. I would look for your model # and check around any tech or support pages that tell the actual spacing of your cooler and what it can be swapped out with.

There is the small chance that it does fit regular coolers and any cooler thats listed support for that socket might fit. Youd have to double check all that before you buy a replacement cooler.

[weak bluff]

Why not check temperature before deciding replacing it

Maybe the only issue is replacing thermal paste

[outer aurora]

never a bad idea to replace stock coolers

but ik what u mean

[weak bluff]

But also changing cooler when it already runs well won't improve

Saying this as someone replaced Core i3-9100F stock cooler and it never hit 70°C because its too overkill

[sullen linden]

Best vr gunstock? (Quest 3 preferably under $100-90)

[weak bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/iVRy_VR/status/1799716454566416438

looks like its PC job to make it work except HDR

VirtualLink is current only way to connect eye tracker

[outer aurora]

whatever looks the coolest

jk

the Magni Stock is pretty good

https://www.amazon.ca/Magni-Stock-Controller-Adapter-compatible/dp/B0BLBTTGGH/ref=sr_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Qvr8-DtWJ7p4LdYCOJpc3mlgFKY-zwBRCEXkAtCdwe3Fr4pT3M_znntJdPehe5VuioGvkdfe4tD-peizFZ0aJqzZTOMZJsXCe0FnDaqhd3HVMb6RGuE9DFi8D7copZN-63IBA5RfDACFcckAOjWCyjq3kvBPqN090PUJ6v-vNVU8s-TqtvPiRXZrWHWwBRVtcFC7DqHy6lr-vF11Dn8rl5PqZWaVCIE-ugvY0qBFTP_0I-MlcTUSLXp_cvW0exPoq_rPQDLO2NP59EvmlQVPOZqUcJqui8gQfYdZmWx0_bY.QdFid0Jpai6aezgI4mwPgFhRYRRUIvVLli5Kz5duVcg&dib_tag=se&keywords=protube+vr&qid=1717998963&sr=8-2

[sullen linden]

I was looking at the magni but wasn’t sure

[weak bluff]

PSVR2 driver released https://store.steampowered.com/app/2772740/BETA_iVRy_Driver_for_SteamVR_DEMO_PSVR2_Lite_Edition/

Steam

BETA: iVRy Driver for SteamVR DEMO (PSVR2 Lite Edition)

What is the iVRy Driver for SteamVR (PSVR2 Lite Edition) DLC?• It is the DEMO version of the iVRy Driver for SteamVR with PSVR2 support.What is iVRy (PSVR2 Edition)?• iVRy is a Virtual Reality headset driver for SteamVR for your Sony PSVR2 headset.What does that mean?• Want to play PC VR* (Virtual Reality) titles without having to buy another VR...

Its headset only demo

[vestal pewter]

I got Supernova on Expert+ on thursday with very low effort but when I tried it today, it took me like 20min to finally get it again and I had a worse score. Maybe it was cause I watched 6h if Trackmania before and got a lil dizzy from it haha

[sullen linden]

Just beat boneworks and i loved it

might get bone lab now

[gloomy crater]

just a personal warning. I also loved boneworks, it's one of my favorite VR titles, but I found bonelab disappointing

If you're expecting just the base game content in bone lab to be as good as it is in boneworks, maybe temper your expectations. The campaign is roughly half the length and mostly serves as a tutorial for a lot of the features that make the game a good sandbox to mod stuff in.

There's still a lot to do in terms of repeatable content like time trials and other sandbox modes in the base game, it's just the campaign itself that's much shorter, and there's a lot more emphasis on user generated content like custom models and other stuff. Do with that what you will

[sullen linden]

yea ik the campaign is shorter, but i liked the modding section, It took me 3 days to beat the boneworks campaign since i play other games, but yea even thought the campaign is shorter i think its worth it

i’ll get it when it’s on sale though i feel like bone lab is worth 20 dollars not like 50

40* my bad

[pliant leaf]

What are some vr games I gotta get for my quest 3

I like shooters and things like beat savor

I kinda want a shooter with a campaign

[sullen linden]

Half life alyx

Boneworks

Into the Radius

[little plinth]

boneworks still absolutely destroyed my vr legs even after it being relatively strong

like wew

[weak bluff]

dont play half life alyx first

everything else gets boring

also suggest to play half life 1 and 2 before alyx

[gloomy crater]

Yeah, it's better to have the context of the wider universe of half life before playing HLA just so that things are less confusing, but I really like how people with no prior exposure to the half life franchise can still enjoy half life alyx because not knowing the story really has no effect on gameplay

I'll be honest, I played half life alyx first and then went back to play the older half life games after that and outside of getting the story in the wrong order, it didn't affect my experience in any of the games by very much

[rustic garnet]

yep

[rustic garnet]

yep

[toxic wasp]

Got the Quest 1, and so far, its amazing.

A lil pixelated, but tbh, that works out, my eyes are shit anyway, so i barely notice that in the menues, and ingame i dont at all

Haven't tried it with glasses yet

Ofcourse updated apps struggle

Vrchat as example doesn't wanna load, and if it does, it takes forever

Questcraft.. doesn't launch fully, ill ask for help in their discord

As far pc games in vr, i havent tested that, but there are some interesting options to go about that

I havent yet used the oculus pc app

I disabled all autoupdates

[sullen linden]

Why the quest one?

[pliant leaf]

Why

[pliant leaf]

Bro we told you not to quest 2 is so cheap used

[pliant leaf]

What did you expect it’s a quest 1 there’s a reason we all told you not to get it

@weak bluff wait till you see this…..

[pliant leaf]

It won’t work

[devout trail]

It will still work as a PCVR headset just fine. It has just lost most of its standalone support and new app releases.

[pliant leaf]

Even pcvr won’t work for much longer

[devout trail]

There’s no mention of it losing that support whatsoever. If you can still hook up an original rift you’ll be able to use a quest 1.

That’s basically all it will be useable for once support is truly dead. It’ll be used as a pcvr headset until parts and availability become nonexistent.

[little plinth]

Quest 1 is not that expensive so i guess it's worth using while its alive
But if for you it's at a level where you need to consider quest 1 or 2
definitely get the 2 instead of buying a soon-to-be-brick device

[haughty thistle]

Some people just want OLED over everything

[little plinth]

They definitely did not get Q1 for oled

[haughty thistle]

What do I know

The Quest 1 also has proper IPD adjustment, not this BS that Meta tried with the Quest 2...

[little plinth]

imprecise IPD on fresnel

[pliant leaf]

Q3?

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but the Q3 is also much more expensive lol

If your budget is say 100-200 bucks, then there aren't many options with proper IPD adjustment. Most of them require setting up some sort of base stations

[little plinth]

Pico 4

if pico adopts horizon OS it'll be lit

[devout trail]

Ooh that would be sweet! Definitely something other than quests would be most welcome!

[pliant leaf]

You do know the pico 4 isn’t far from the price of a q3?

[little plinth]

hell you mean isn't far

pico 4 is 300

quest 3 is 500

[pliant leaf]

It’s $400 vs $500

[little plinth]

it's 300

[pliant leaf]

Find me where it’s $300

[little plinth]

where at least where i live

amazon de is below 400eur though it's more expensive there a little

thanks to eu

though that means that same effect is on the quest

resulting in the same 200 difference

311 US

[pliant leaf]

Amazon in us for me says $425 for pico $495 for q3

[toxic wasp]

Cheaper, by a long shot. Paid 50€ for a 128gb model

[toxic wasp]

Updates usually only bring chaos, and i prefer to manually update if i update at all.

[pliant leaf]

Bruh

[toxic wasp]

50€ vs 240€ is a difference im not willing to pay for.

[pliant leaf]

No

[toxic wasp]

I actually git vrchat to load, it just needed to reboot

[pliant leaf]

It’s $100 for a used quest 2…..

[toxic wasp]

I actually have half life alyx running and working

[toxic wasp]

Exactly. It makes no sense for old driver that are confirming to a old standart to suddenly stop working, especially if you dont update that side.

[toxic wasp]

And older version of single player games. Like superhot vr, beatsaber offline, and jobsimulator as example.

[toxic wasp]

It was one of the selling points for me, i did not mind the lower resolution and lower refresh rate from earlyer tests, and i preferred the nicer color details.

[pliant leaf]

Bro has never seen a good looking vr display

[toxic wasp]

My budget was like 80€ top-top. And its worlds better than cardboard vr, and i love it already.

[little plinth]

well yea

a rotten food is better than feces better

[toxic wasp]

Where. Quest 1 64GB in my area sell for 100€ in decent condition. Considering i got a 128gb version, with no stick drift, and the only issue being a small crack that i can easly fix in the ring, 50€ is a steal.

[little plinth]

i think i'm spoiled by my pico's 2500px display
i can't stand anything lower than a quest 2 display and fresnel lens anymore

waiting for the day i can get something better than that

but prob have to shell out $1k

[toxic wasp]

Bro, my eyes are toast. I have -2.0 vision. The screen almost looks perfect to me lmao

[little plinth]

prescription is a must

i'm a -2 too

with 1.75 cyl

[toxic wasp]

The only thing my sister complain about was small UI-Texts, which i can agree

[little plinth]

absolutely wont play without the prescription

[toxic wasp]

Tbh, i dont have many issues seeing far in VR, i think it has to do with how practically close the screens are to my eyes, andthat everything is on a singular plane (the 2d screen)

Perhaps ill notice in slower paced games.

[little plinth]

you never tried so you don't know what you're missing

at least use glasses

i used to use glasses in vr before i got the prescription lens

[toxic wasp]

Probably. I might try the glasses adapter thingy that came with it, but idk if i prefer the washed out look over seeing the pixel gaps of the screen, idk tbh. It might just work out

Btw wdym with prescription lens?

Like contact lenses?

[little plinth]

custom lenses

[toxic wasp]

Ahh

[little plinth]

that attaches above the vr lenses

[toxic wasp]

Mhm

[devout trail]

But if you can’t use it because those apps on PCVR get updated by the developers it will stop working at some point. I’ve already tried to explain it to you. As standalone apps stop working because they REQUIRE the update that will continually diminish its standalone viability as it’s already apparent. And as soon as a game developer makes their update and it’s only available on the updated oculus app that has removed quest 1 support will render it useless. It’s not there yet on PC so it’s still useable as a PCVR headset until meta removes the drivers but it’s just the same as how an original Xbox can’t use Xbox live anymore. It’s just been completely superseded and upgraded beyond that models capabilities.

[toxic wasp]

Well, ill see what i prefer. Considering i lived on a jank ahh setup with trinityvr and a old smartphone, that barely managed to scramble together a "720p" 40hz playback.. i think im good for now

[little plinth]

yeaaa the problem is not the quality of the Quest 1
it's a decent headset

the problem is the possibility of it becoming vegetable anyday

[devout trail]

Yep it’s definitely still usable. Just the forced obsoletion of course!

[little plinth]

if i were you i'd get a Rift S instead which is close in price

[toxic wasp]

The PCVR games use a old as fuck "VR headset" standart. It hasn't changed (only been added on to) since like 5 years. I can still use the first version of trinityvr and play the newest vr games. So aslong as my headset has a way to provide my PC with those old as fuck standards, it'll work for pcvr. As for Standalone, im not scared to pirate older versions of the offline storymode games that i play that still worked for the quest 1.

[little plinth]

that only applies to native SteamVR headset

[toxic wasp]

I was thinking of the Rift CV01, but considering my PC only got a 1050Ti, having standalone capabilities (even if just for older games or older versions of games) was a pretty major must for me.

[devout trail]

Bud you just keep making excuses as to why it was your “best option”. It’s losing all support and your App Library will only get smaller over time. It’s just facts bud. But as I said before too you’ll figure it out for yourself.

[toxic wasp]

It won't get smaller

Itll be the size its been at now

Excluding online games ofc.

Piracy and side loading got my ass covered on archival purposes.

[devout trail]

Ok stop moving the goalposts. Online offline all included. It will be smaller.

[little plinth]

i mean he's right
if the headset is always in offline mode it'll be okay and be at the same state as it is currently

[toxic wasp]

Im not moving the goalposts, ive said from the beginning that im not interested in online games, and id only play story based games. If youd actually read and listen, you would have noticed.

[devout trail]

Yes I’ve said that too.

[little plinth]

just like how if you got a 2010 android that hasn't been touched for 10 years any pure offline apps still works like it did 20 years ago

[devout trail]

Of course any game installed right now that doesn’t need updating will work. Same as how I can plus in my SNES and it’ll still work….

[little plinth]

anything that requires any resemblance of online connection gets bricked right away though

[devout trail]

But who honestly is going to do that for the entirety of their VR experience……no one.

[toxic wasp]

Exactly. Even file copy and side loading still works.

[devout trail]

Exactly what I’m trying to explain to this dude. He will be stuck in single player only games and that’s it.

[toxic wasp]

Even some online functions like YouTube will continue working

As the YouTube stack barely changes

Which is proven by the xbox 360's youtube app.

It still works to this day.

[little plinth]

PCVR won't be possible that way though

it'll brick when it brick

since unlike the offline apps
streaming apps needs that connection

[toxic wasp]

Why shouldn't it? All i need to do is sideload a quest 1 compatible version of Virtual desktop, and install a quest 1 compatible version of virtual desktop on my PC, and not update either of them. The local communication protocol will work without issues

They dont stream from a server that changed after all

[little plinth]

OpenXR would be your bane

Games are transitioning to OpenXR which old VD does not support

iirc

Still plenty of OpenVR and Oculus runtime game but the popular ones are switching

[toxic wasp]

Last time i checked openXR has been backwards compatible. How else would i use a old as hell trinityVR setup today? (I think trinity/trinusVR was iVry before iVry was a thing)

[little plinth]

Pavlov transition to OpenXR actually temporarily bricked the game for my pico

had to wait for a quick update

[toxic wasp]

Or am i mixing up OpenVR and OpenXR?

[little plinth]

OpenVR and OpenXR is different

[toxic wasp]

Ah, why are they all so crapply named anyway..

Anyway

Worst comes to worst, and ill write a OpenXR compatible tool for the quest 1

[little plinth]

Streaming based headset does not have the luxury of being a native SteamVR

[toxic wasp]

And upload it to Sidequest

[little plinth]

something will brick

even if you update nothing

[devout trail]

lol it’s going to brick. Just accept it dude.

[little plinth]

as long as the game you're playing is updated

so just keep old versions of the PCVR game too

[toxic wasp]

Dude, its only gonna brick if you neglect it. There is no throwing away, just like you can install Android 10 on a Samsung Galaxy S2.

[little plinth]

apples oranges

though

[toxic wasp]

this.

[little plinth]

You can't install the latest horizonOS on quest 1

Galaxy S2 on its original Android 2 can't install any modern app

[toxic wasp]

I don't see why i would need to?

[toxic wasp]

It can

[devout trail]

No it’s bricked because it’s updated lol…..it’s just facts bud. You’d have to stock up on single player non online games. That’s all you get to ever play

[little plinth]

good luck

most playstore apps prevent download even below android 4.0 kitkat

[toxic wasp]

Apps are still required to provide a 32bit armv7a edition most of the times.

[devout trail]

No online use ever. As it’d be denied by the actual game for being unsupported device.

[little plinth]

there were many changes between kitkat and marshmallow android that many apps straight up dropped kitkat

[devout trail]

No they’re not. Most apps have explicitly moved to 64 bit…..

[toxic wasp]

And as i have tested this before, android 10 on a galaxy S2 actually does run the newest version of discord, unlike Android 4.4.4

[little plinth]

that's why i said its apples to oranges

[toxic wasp]

Thats where youre wrong, as most apps are java code anyway.

[little plinth]

the S2 still can install modern android

[devout trail]

Same as why even original iPads can’t download shit on the App Store anymore either…..forced obsoletion same as a stupid S2 lol

[little plinth]

which has access to modern apps

[toxic wasp]

Yes

[little plinth]

Quest 1 cannot install modern horizonOS

[toxic wasp]

iPads are whole different story, that shit could even even download anything to begin with, but lets ignore that

[toxic wasp]

Which i wont need

[little plinth]

Which makes the comparison to the S2 moot

The S2 without updated android (like without updated horizonOS) suffers the same problem

[devout trail]

lol yeah that’s just ignorance on iPads downloading…..was referencing mobile devices

S2 with recent android is just as junk as native.

[toxic wasp]

Well, atleast partially. IF meta is based like they were for the oculus go, some madman might backport newer horizonOS to the quest 1

[little plinth]

Meta and based don't go together

If they are based they wouldn't nuke PC oculus home

[toxic wasp]

Trust me, its a whole different story, ive used a S2 for 2 years from 2020 on..

[devout trail]

No one would want them to….same as why we don’t want to still use windows xp anymore. We’ve moved on to bigger and better.

[toxic wasp]

The API Set of android 10 vs android 4.4 was a massive gamechanger.

[devout trail]

Yeah it’s crap. The phone is slow has no room for storage and bad network support….

[little plinth]

no 4G iirc?

[toxic wasp]

Oh dude, there are plenty of people still rocking XP because it infact didnt get bigger and "better".

[little plinth]

3G is disabled in many countries

[toxic wasp]

-> SD Card with 256GB would like to have a chat

[little plinth]

big SD card requires a solid chipset though

[toxic wasp]

This is the only pain point.

[devout trail]

No there’s not lol…..you’re delirious bud. No one wanted to game, create content or anything requiring power is not using windows xp in any manner.

[toxic wasp]

Or clever drivers, and that it has for sure.

[little plinth]

Uh yeah either way, phones 10x faster is like 50 bucks

[toxic wasp]

Bro, this shows you havent looked into the industrial side of thing once. Youd be surprised how many machines still run DOS.

[little plinth]

there's no reason for self torture

[devout trail]

More machines running Linux than dos…..

[toxic wasp]

This is true.

[little plinth]

XP sure
but DOS straight up no

[toxic wasp]

This however, if youre in a tight situration with money, is not particularly true

[devout trail]

Exactly. You just like to use it to use it. There no real practicality in it. Just your own appreciation.

[toxic wasp]

You haven't looked at Germanys train system then. DOS 5 + Windows 3.11

Yeah

It explains the delays.

[little plinth]

so a small exception

that does not make it relevant

[devout trail]

Cool one train system. 90 percent of label printers use xp…..doesn’t mean rest of the world still wants too.

[toxic wasp]

It still exists, and isnt the only place. Ive seen a gas powerplant, running RETAIL Windows 7. Connected to the Internet, no firewall.

[devout trail]

There’s little industrial uses like that but for the larger and more appropriate scale windows xp or dos are nowhere in sight…..

[little plinth]

That's like saying the world haven't moved from typewriters to computers because there's a small amount of people on the typewriter niche kind of relevant

[toxic wasp]

"one train system" aka -> majority of germanys public transport

[little plinth]

it is one train system though

[toxic wasp]

Split across multiple companys, yes

[little plinth]

it's a single system

still

[devout trail]

lol exactly. Something that was purchased back when it was relevant…..

Show me a company installing and brand new train system with that……

Not happening.

[little plinth]

though there's a difference between buying e-waste in 2024 than simply having not upgraded due to company cost

[toxic wasp]

Anyway. We can agree on the fact that standalone apps will continue to work, aslong as i dont update them to a newer version, that dropped the quest 1, right?

[little plinth]

which is what i'm saying

[toxic wasp]

If so, there is nothing stopping me, or anyone else for the matter, to develop a open source OpenXR capable streaming software for the Quest 1.

With that being said: it wont brick, itll be more work.

[little plinth]

Sure you can try

[toxic wasp]

Yeah.

I absolutely will

I dont mind work, and i love tinkering on old nonsense

[little plinth]

Creating a streaming app that is usually worked on by dozens in months time is totally different than a little tinkering

[devout trail]

lol exactly. This kid just don’t get it.

[little plinth]

Documentation will be pain too since meta prob already nuked all their outdated ones

[toxic wasp]

So, 50€ for an absolute fun machine, with a fully available SDK? Vs a 250€ version that has slightly longer support? I think its obvious which one id choose, considering i dint value my own time very much. (I have fixed a lot of old core2duo laptops, for the fun of it, and archival reasons.)

[little plinth]

i'm not against you using the Q1

i'm just against the totally unrealistic expectations

[toxic wasp]

They all exists still, and im planning to download them

[devout trail]

lol you just want us to say it was a good idea too. It’s just in fact….not.

[little plinth]

create your own streaming app yeah sure

[toxic wasp]

Im not having any expectations, i know the system is near unsupported, but its just a bit of work for newer games, thats all.

[little plinth]

there's a reason we only have 4 streaming apps

2 of which is by giant companies

valve and meta

1 is VD which has a team of paid developer

the last one is ALVR which has... nearly 100 contributors

[devout trail]

When a developer hardware stops you from using something maybe you’ll get the idea.

But until then you go ahead and enjoy what you still can!

[little plinth]

a bit of work is an understatement

[toxic wasp]

No, but id like you to not spew missinformation. The old standalone offline games will continue to work without any issues, newer pcvr ones might need more work in the future. And perhaps a "hey dude, just so you know, the system is EOL, but enjoy the catalogue of older games" would have been nice.

[toxic wasp]

It really isnt that much.. well it might be for a ordinary person, but i develop a lot anyway, so..

[little plinth]

the "enjoy the catalogue of older games" is literally just a different wording for standalone offline games will continue to work

oh wait i misread

ignore that

either way you're not going to make the next VD

[devout trail]

No misinformation bud. I’ve owned all 3 quest headsets and easily dozens more than you. You just don’t understand how the hardware and ecosystem work and you think you can just somehow brute force your way past the likes of meta and steam developers to somehow claim you’ll be able to keep using the device long after the rest of the world will even bother to.

[toxic wasp]

Yeah, still better than "haha dumbass enjoy your paperweight" which "yall"(most of the people here) said that way.

[little plinth]

haven't said that

just saying PCVR will definitely be bricked in the future

It is not as easy as you're saying to create these drivers

there's a reason WMR is going kapoot (Example)

[devout trail]

lol yes because it’s has nearly essentially become that for people who have actually invested in the VR ecosystem and not tried their first actual standalone headset that’s 4 years old now? Or 5?

[toxic wasp]

Bro, im a low level developer, and honestly, i think i know nore about how drivers work on the inside, so if you would kindly not give your shit into this conversation any longer, id appreciate that. If you do continue, ill block you to not need to deal with your messages.

[devout trail]

Go ahead and block me then bud. You’re not a low level developer. You’re a kid playing with coding software and think you know what you’re doing……you just claimed you’d make a steaming app for the quest. Do it and I’ll buy it.

[toxic wasp]

You in particular havent, yes, but plenty of others have, and its absolute toxic bullshit (which is why im kinda aggressive/defensive)

[little plinth]

any developer capable of creating such advanced software wouldn't be using a quest 1 out of cost just saying

so i doubt

one thing that irks me the most is someone overestimating their abilities x100

but maybe you'll prove me wrong

i won't be continuing it's kinda pointless

[devout trail]

Doubtful

[toxic wasp]

I dont need to do anything for you, as you "buying" my words do not mean anything to me. Id wanna bet that you dont know the littlest bit of assembly, or even C code, but lets put that aside.

[devout trail]

I said I’d buy your streaming app…..please read first. And nope I don’t know a bit of code…..last time I looked was a Borland C++ book in 1999. Couldn’t care less.

Ya know the one you said you’d just make when VD stops working?

[toxic wasp]

Sigh.. have you ever heard of a "hobbiest tinkerer"? Its not about money, else i wouldn't have made XP run modern Windows 7/10 applications, its just about being able to and avoiding ewaste. Its technically still a perfectly fine pcvr headset, and that wouldn't change, if it wasnt for Software support ending.

[toxic wasp]

It would be free and open source, i do not intend to earn money from it.

Donations however, thats something one could consider.

[devout trail]

Good god you really missed that one?!?! Lol smh……

Kids these days man……

[toxic wasp]

What's making you assume im a kid? I mean, the one acting like one are you, as youre being unreasonably aggressive and hateful. And dont come with the nonsensical "gacha pfp". Like, as if a anime, cartoon, game pfp, would be any better.

[devout trail]

It was in rebuttal as in “I’d be the first to eat my words if you actually did it”

But you came back with “oh I’d make it free”

[toxic wasp]

Yeah so? Im german, i take shit litterally. I do suck at social interaction and i miss jokes. Happy?

[devout trail]

The fact you get “defensive” on the internet…..

That tells me you’re a child. Maybe not physically but mentally absolutely.

[toxic wasp]

This whole server is nothing but toxic, in every corner it reeches of salt. If one is not defensive here, id say they are loosing their mind and grasp on reality.

[devout trail]

You’re getting bent over people saying your choice was a bad one. Then you sit and try to claim all these ways and solutions as to how it’s not. It’s just facts bud.

[toxic wasp]

No, i full on knew that the system is EOL

I am full on aware that support would and probably eill drop

And im fullly aware that shit could break.

[devout trail]

Ok stop telling me more reasons.

[toxic wasp]

All im saying is

[little plinth]

yeaaa we're over the quest 1 already

[devout trail]

It sucks it was bad it’s obsolete and it will break at some point. Nothing lasts forever bud.

[little plinth]

we're just saying you're not the next jeff bezos programmer

[toxic wasp]

That a "oh, hey enjoy the quest 1's offline standalone catalouge" would have been nice

There is no reason for anyone to ruin the mood about litterally anything.

[toxic wasp]

I know i aint, but i know how to code shit, and ill get something together if no one else does it.

[little plinth]

making a streaming app that usually gets developed either by hundreds or a giant company, alone
Yeaaaa kinda doubtful
but i'd be happy to be proven wrong, that would mean quest 1 gets more lifetime

[devout trail]

No one has done it because no one wants it…..

There’s no demand. We want better headsets before more apps and support on older hardware.

[toxic wasp]

The ground principle isnt even that difficult, the main issue is video transfer at acceptable speeds. The rest is just confirming to the openxr protocols, and protocols are easy as hell

[little plinth]

yeaa not quite

[devout trail]

We want better tracking, better lenses, higher resolution screens. Plenty more to chase than old app support.

[little plinth]

there are more q1 user than qpro

still active

[devout trail]

lol yeah but we both know the pro was junk

And had an immediate price drop cause it sucked so bad lol

[little plinth]

People haven't made one because they can't

[devout trail]

Even at 500 more would take the Q3 lol

[toxic wasp]

Even if, modders and such will always support older platforms, simply to reach a bigger audience. I mean look at the 3DS modding scene, its still active.

[little plinth]

can't as in
can't do it with a reasonable amount of effort

any more hardcore effort becomes not worth it

[toxic wasp]

Well there is the thing

[devout trail]

Exactly. Just not worth the time or effort.

[little plinth]

3DS has a big amount of users though especially compared to Q1

[toxic wasp]

"not worth it" is dependant on the person making it.

[little plinth]

if you're willing to dump 10k hours to make an app for an EOL headset
you can make 15 thousand dollars in mcdonalds

[devout trail]

And yet none have made one so they all must draw the same conclusion. It’s not worth it lol

[toxic wasp]

Just like most people wouldn't bother getting .Net3.5 to work on windows 95, yet mattkc started it and got it done

[toxic wasp]

I am willing to spend unreasonable amounts of time on it, yes.

I always have done everything in that way.

Money isnt an issue for me either

(Atleast for survival)

[devout trail]

Then buy a q2 lol

[little plinth]

So you get a Quest 1 for some reason?

[toxic wasp]

(buying shit is a different thing)

[devout trail]

He said it was too expensive at first?

[toxic wasp]

I essentially have a endless amount of food and living nessesitys

Money itself is an issue

Not the things needed to buy survival stuff tho (including electricity)

Like, my time is worth nothing

[devout trail]

lol omg this is hilarious…..

[toxic wasp]

I always have dedicated my time to obscure things, and its fun

Like said, why else would i have made windows xp run windows 7/10 apps?

It took me about 2-3 years, but i got there

[little plinth]

do you at least have a github

[toxic wasp]

Ofcourse

I dont have stuff put as public though.

Thatll happen once the stuff is more polished and ready for the end consumer

Currently everything is a "organized mess"

I dont want the first impression of my projects to be bad and complex

[devout trail]

Should make Linux run windows apps! Now that would be some fun!

[toxic wasp]

Thats wine.

[devout trail]

Unless that’s already a thing.

Oh never used wine outside of game testing on a Mac. Sweet!

[toxic wasp]

Im essentially taking pieces of wine documentation and reactos documentation to piece together a legal way to run win 7/10 apps on OS's below that. Mainly targetting XP, but i have structures and compilers ready to go all the way down to win95/nt4.0

[toxic wasp]

Guess what, steamdeck uses archlinux + proton. Proton is a combo of various bugfixes, hacks, and experiemental changes to Wine and DXVK (DirectX on VulKan)

(and well, steams deck UI and gamescope

[devout trail]

Well yeah I already knew that. I’ve got proton on a Ubuntu install just to play around with. Always liked Ubuntu since like 7

Feels very professional and consumer ready but I’d bet not?

[toxic wasp]

Ubuntu was great imo, untill lately. Always preferred Kubuntu though. Got fed up with APT after a while, tried fedora, couldn't get its installer to format my storage device, and went to ArchLinux.. haven't had issues there, exceptthe occasional break here and there, which is usually fixed next update.

[devout trail]

It just “looked” the best when I first tried getting into Linux. Now I just try apps or games here and there to see how it’s been faring over the years. Still wishing for some real Linux VR support but most here say that’s just never gonna happen too.

Apparently AMD hasn’t updated their VR software stack in years? And something else I heard was a bigger issue.

[toxic wasp]

Linux VR.. yeah thats gonna take a while.. although i wonder if BeamNG supports VR on Linux.. theyve been doing a lot of Linux related work, even adding a vulkan renderer and a native executable.

[outer aurora]

sorry if my question is dumb but why is linux so popular in the tech community

[devout trail]

Yeah heard is been taking awhile since basically launch lol. Figured just not beg enough demand to get people working on it.

[toxic wasp]

Well, one madlad managed to get VR working performantly on a older Raspberry Pi.. i wouldn't be surprised if that stuff could help

[devout trail]

Linux lets you do all! Windows NO!

[outer aurora]

like performance wise?

or is it more of a code type beat

[devout trail]

No more of use cases. Linux can be adapted to just about anything 🙂

Much more versatility and customization outside of official channels too.

[toxic wasp]

Servers, full control, wider hardware support (usually), oftentimes better performance (and hogging less PC Resources for itself), even if running through wine and dxvk, many directX 11 games will run 3-8% faster on Linux.

[outer aurora]

oh thats cool

i just searched it up it seems to be an extremely versitaisle OS

[toxic wasp]

It has its fair share of issues too though, anticheats on the kernel level are a big no for it.

[devout trail]

I’ve never had better performance on my Linux install. Usually about 85-95 percent equal performance though which I’d say is great!

[toxic wasp]

Technically, linux is just the kernel, the core of any OS/Distribution basing on Linux. There are a lot of flavors. To name a few: debian, ubuntu, linux mint, Fedora, archlinux, Gentoo (the latter two being more complex to use at first)

[toxic wasp]

It really depends on the games youre playing.

BeamNG as example runs at 50% performance for me on my 1050ti

CSGO 1 however ran at 290 fps on windows, and i got 350fps on Linux

[devout trail]

I’d have to actually check. I’d bet most were dx12 games or had support for vulkan

Doom 2016 ran the exact same lol 😂

Vulkan doin work lol

[toxic wasp]

Possible. Ive heard they are slowly catching up with DX12 stuff, but arent yet there in comparison to DX11

[toxic wasp]

Yup.

[devout trail]

Well kinda lol it’s doom it’s runs on anything basically lol even close to max settings too

[little plinth]

it's really nice that roblox bolstered their VR support

[toxic wasp]

Ah, also, if youre strongly cpu bottlenecked, running through wine and dxvk will hurt, especially if youre running through the scenes the first time.

[little plinth]

now even non vr specific roblox games can be played in vr mode

[devout trail]

Oh Jesus my kids told me on that. Roblox in VR dad!

Then 20 mins later…..can we get some robucks

lol addictive

[little plinth]

there's no real vr alternative for a realistic reactor simulator

so roblox vr is my last hope

[toxic wasp]

However gpu bottlenecks should relatively often lead to better performance

[toxic wasp]

Roblox is like.. the engine everyone hates, but subconsciously loves due to its vast amount of things it can do.

[devout trail]

Right! Man if there was a VRchat made in unreal or unity or whatever I’d be on it all day. I just can’t get past the darn Lego/baby looking aspect of everything.

But that game def looks interesting

[little plinth]

roblox does not have inherently need to be lego

this spaceship game is roblox

[toxic wasp]

I.. kinda wanna dare you to play natural disasters in vr.

[devout trail]

Yeah I know they all aren’t like that it’s just the simple low poly count style graphics and stuff that turn me off from it.

[toxic wasp]

I doubt it'll be convincing, but I'd guess it could be something.

[toxic wasp]

I wonder, do you feel the same about superhot?

[little plinth]

idrc about poly personally

i'm all about shaders

and lightings

[devout trail]

A little. I like Roblox better because it’s got the creation aspect like no other Vr game out there.

It’s the best sandbox creation tool anyone can use.

[toxic wasp]

Kinda same, aslong as the mood is fitting, i dont mind low poly

[little plinth]

uh yeah it's a literal game engine

it's roblox as a platform that makes it great
roblox studio itself is garbage if you compare to something like unity

free servers

[devout trail]

Yes sorry should have italicized the “anyone” as I meant like for any age.

Like my 12 year olds been working on a game he says for over a year yet I haven’t seen a bit of it. But he wouldn’t be able to tell you what an hdmi port looks like lol

Despite plugging and unplugging one almost daily

[toxic wasp]

Hey just a quick question about quest 1 compatible software, which pcvr streaming software work or worked with it? I know of Virtual Desktop and AirLink(iirc?), but is there anything else?

[devout trail]

Those are the only two I use. There’s steam link now too? Or I’m not sure if that one works with q1.

[toxic wasp]

Its available for download for it

[devout trail]

I am not sure you be able to see on the q1 yourself! See if it’s there if it is get it now.

[little plinth]

roblox models can look really good if people really put effort into it

[toxic wasp]

I don't know if that steamlink is just like the android app tho, aka like "just a 2d screen" thing, instead of being vr compatible

[devout trail]

Ok see how that’s looking good! Where the fhhk are all those games? Or did YOU just make that lol

[little plinth]

Q2 above only

[toxic wasp]

Yeah, ive seen some Roblox demoscenes, they can be crazy, iirc, one had raytraceing? Or atleast something simmilar

[devout trail]

Damn…..see that’s what I hate.

[little plinth]

it's a small game

players there are mostly regulars

[toxic wasp]

Why would the quest 1 offer to download steamlink then?

Does it simply have no checks?

[little plinth]

200 player peak kind of game

[devout trail]

Yeah can be small but is it fun? Do you want to play it repeatedly? That’s the itch I like on games.

[little plinth]

It's war thunder

but space

[toxic wasp]

I mean, if it doesnt, then ill download it anyway, just to see what happens lol

[little plinth]

including the grind
though you can't buy your way to max tier (cough WT cough)

[devout trail]

I don’t know if it was q2 or 1. But it should actually block you from installing it on the q1 if it’s not available I just lose the download button when they’re not supported.

[devout trail]

Like where the price tag is

[devout trail]

Ok snap I’m gonna try that out. 500+ hrs don’t lie!

[little plinth]

it's grindy

hence the 500+ hours

[toxic wasp]

Huh.. well then it might work on a quest 1.. it did have a download button iirc.

[little plinth]

but it's like WT

idgaf if it's grindy

i'm getting them ships

[devout trail]

That’s what I’m talking about! I love borderlands/destiny 2 looter shooter or just looter games. If it’s got grind I’m game!

Thanks!

Stacking ships be the grind too! Stacks on stacks!

I stack emblems and triumph score…..that no one probably ever checks or sees anyway lol

[toxic wasp]

Okay, this isnt meant to be hate or mocking or anything, but my brain went and understood this as:
"ah yeah i like shooting things and looting them after. Well.. if i dont have to shoot them, and can just loot them, thats even better"
And for some reason, thats funny to me

[devout trail]

I mean that’s essentially true too

[toxic wasp]

Beautiful.

[devout trail]

And still funny lol definitely happens in destiny 2 every time I play.

But that games just an unoptimized mess. Single threaded lighting 😂

[toxic wasp]

That reminds me that i should still download and test out destiny 2.. i have it, but never played it

[devout trail]

Looting with ease is always funny and enjoyable

[toxic wasp]

It cant be worse than modern modern games, can it?

[devout trail]

As always if you like shooters worth a shot. Some dislike the space magic aspect of it but that combat is just spicy

Umm it causes issues with a lot of CPUs lol

AMD had to do bios updates specifically for destiny 2 lol

[little plinth]

VR multi monitor is garbage ngl

[devout trail]

Really?

[toxic wasp]

I don't hate shooters, used to play csgo and rainbow six, some gta aswell.. haven't touched anything in the likes for a while though

[little plinth]

it's just not comfortable wearing a bucket on your head just to use more monitors

[devout trail]

Just not clean enough image

[little plinth]

i end up buying 2 extra actual monitors

and it's a much better experience

in clarity

and comfort

[devout trail]

Ooh ok I see. Yeah the comfort gotta get at ya after a couple hours?

[little plinth]

i'm fed up in an hour

[devout trail]

Oof ok what about VorpX? Anyone tried that on older games to play somewhat VR?

[little plinth]

garbage

UEVR is a thing

[toxic wasp]

Ah yeah, using vr for more screens seems cool, but the weight.. and well, unless youre 10 centimeters away from the virtual screen, itll ofcourse be lower quality than a normal screen.

[devout trail]

Yeah but does it just apply to almost any game like UEVR?

[little plinth]

VorpXed games just suck

might as well play flat

[devout trail]

Well I am agree lots did suck…..

But man world of Warcraft WAS world of Warcraft when vorpxed

[toxic wasp]

Ah which reminds me, I wanted to check out quest crafts requirements

[devout trail]

That was just amazing after setting up all the controls and gestures lol

Waving staff to cast spells did get tiring after a bit lol

But man the immersion! lol

[little plinth]

java minecraft vr is peak

[toxic wasp]

Welp, yall, was nice chatting, even if the start was bumpy, i hope yal have a good day

[devout trail]

Java Minecraft? Just in the launcher or where you get that?

Kids will wanna see that lol

[toxic wasp]

Yes, true, and ill need to learn how to set this up. Be it standalone or pc bound, or java or bedrock, i dont particularly care tbh xD

[devout trail]

I may try it too lol I’m digging Minecraft dungeons

[toxic wasp]

Standalone questcraft is supposed to be king

It uses vivecraft and pojaylauncher lib as far as i understand

[devout trail]

Standalone always worse than full PC power. 🙂

[little plinth]

wait

quest craft is java based

[toxic wasp]

Obviously.

[little plinth]

not just a bedrock port?

[toxic wasp]

Yes

It uses pojavlauncher

[little plinth]

yea i got one on my tab

[devout trail]

Yeah but mods supported on standalone too?

[toxic wasp]

Yes

[devout trail]

Extra shaders?

[little plinth]

it's java

it works

pojav has the same minecraft directory layout as desktop do

[toxic wasp]

It by default uses some optimisation mods and such via fabric

[devout trail]

Yeah just never know these days….apple says their MacBooks have thunderbolt but yet only have half lol

[little plinth]

i got a plethora of mods in my tablet java install

even with shit ton of optimization mods

and SD865 chipset

it still only got 60

in flatworld

[devout trail]

That would be nice to try again. Never got the regular oculus app one working years ago.

[toxic wasp]

For me, it doesn't really matter, as my server runs geyserMC.. so bedrock and java can play. Only legacy console edition cant, sadly.

[toxic wasp]

Wait holdup

You had a snapdragon 865 and got only 60fps?

What view distance?

[little plinth]

12 chunks

with sodium, lithium, starlight, immediatelyfast, ferritecore, etc

[toxic wasp]

Ob my poco f1 (sd845) at 8 chunks on fast graphics i got around 120fps

With like

Stock Minecraft

[little plinth]

what version though

[toxic wasp]

I tested 1.12.2 and 1.19.4 iirc

1.19.4 was about 10-20 fps less

[little plinth]

that makes no sense, the 865 is faster

something is wrong with my install

[toxic wasp]

Exactly why im confused

Perhaps pojav doesn't work well with sodium.

Pojav supplys its own java and opengl bindings and drivers iirc after all

One thing i hate about pojav gotta be its control editor tho.. i can't get it to save the layout.

[little plinth]

what % resolution do you run

[toxic wasp]

On mobile? Iirc 100%, dont think i ever changed it or can change it.. everything looks sharp too

And sorry for the late answer, just looked up vivecraft itself, and it also pointed me to a few things to look for pcvr/steamvr emulators

[little plinth]

maybe sodium actually caused the opposite effect

though maybe my graphics settings are just too ambitious

[toxic wasp]

I personally run pojav at 5 chunks + 30fps cap + fastest graphics

[little plinth]

12 chunks fancy unlimited 💀

[toxic wasp]

I dont need it to be pretty, i want my battery to last + not cook my phone

[little plinth]

the tablet got 7k mAh so i'm not too worried about juice

[toxic wasp]

Well ok yeah

On a tablet its fair game

[little plinth]

My phone has an exynos, theoretically equivalent to the SD865 but....

it's a furnace

thermal throttles faster than intel

[toxic wasp]

My phone comes in about 4400mAh iirc, but like.. im usually out for a while if im out, and like.. i don't always charge my phone.. so yeah, i usually tweak stuff for battery life ehile maintaining a reasonable enjoyment level

[toxic wasp]

Liquid nitrogen to the resque

Whats funny, if i overclock my SD845 and don't allow it to throttle, itll sit around 95C 💀

Although itll not throttle, but actually place "delays" in-between, to artificially force the applications to slow down and let the chip cool down, which is fascinating in my opinion

And heh, my current daily is a Pixel 6a..

Aka Google Tensor.. aka Exynos

And yes, this thing gets warm if you do multiple things

Hotspot + 5G + camera is like a death sentence

Which is why i limited my pixel to 4g, its fast enough anyway, and saves juice

But yeah, ill head out for today

[weak bluff]

Im cool with you so tell me how PCVR goes with Quest 1 nowadays

[real pasture]

i deleted my message cuz it was cringe

[violet badger]

Hey, just hoping for some vr enthusiasts help The latest quest update seems have broken some things. Most of them are fine but the height thing is awful. All the games think I'm about 10 ft tall I just bought the first Vader immortal game and I literally can't play it because the only way I can be in the cockpit for the opening scene is by literally laying on the floor I've reset my boundary manually about 10 times by now and it just doesn't do anything (edited) The only games I can play are the ones where I can manually reset it.

[little plinth]

is there like some kind of accessory that gives me buttons on my arm

something that looks like this

but keyboard buttons

i need it to access shortcuts and stuff

[toxic wasp]

So uh, anyone know quest airlink?

Specifically, how do you set the render Resolution in pixels per eye?

Because in ALVR, if i set the Eye render and Transmission to 1400x1600 per eye (screen resolution of the quest 1) i get around 45-55fps in a specific area.

However via airlink, it seems to want to render at a higher Resolution

As my framerate drops to 35fps

In the oculus app, it seems to also render at a slightly larger Resolution than it should i think?

[rustic garnet]

holy shit im starting to think this guy is a troll

that or 14

[rustic garnet]

hubris goes crazy 😭

[rustic garnet]

😭😭😭😭

[toxic wasp]

Believe what you want at this point, i dont care anymore, if anyone doesnt want to believe, then thats their issue. Im stating what i know, and im not gonna bother trying to fix stupid. I will however mention that i do work in the IT scope of things, and have worked as a System Integrator for quite some time, and thus have seen a shit ton of out of date systems still being used to this day.

[rustic garnet]

sounds like something someone living with their parents (a child) would say

[toxic wasp]

Or someone who has a working partner that spoils one rotten.

And given that i work in IT, most of the times i dont gotta do more than start some updates, and occasionally fix something that broke during an update. Most of my days are free.

Especially since the company offering those services to other companys is relatively small, which makes it align with the money stuff.

[rustic garnet]

Industrial deployments are nowhere near on the same playing field as consumer machines?? They're not comparable at all

and the quests are consumer devices no doubt about it

no matter how much people try to push them for like 3d modeling and architecture and such

[toxic wasp]

For the point of comparison that was happening at that stage of the conversation, the quest was not even relevant anymore.

[rustic garnet]

yes it was?

or like

tangentially

You were saying people still use old tech (such as the quest) and then brought up fucking train interfaces as an example

[toxic wasp]

It was the starter of the whole debacle, sure, but the part about "even the industry still use old af OS and devices and driver, and yet they dont stop working locally just because they hit EOL" was not directly in comparison to the quest, atleast not in a way that consumer or industrial would have made a difference. A industrial device that relies on cloud computing or similar would obviously stop working in its full capacity if the company behind that industrial machine stopped the servers. Yet all the local connections would still flawlessly work, aslong as the surrounding software isnt updated.

The same way that the quest would stop receiving updates from the quest store, or the ability to download games onto the standalone part, without side loading

Consequently however, side loading is the part that completely saves the Quest1 and essentially ensures that it doesnt die out/becomes a full brick. It will at most be more troublesome to get things working.

To which extent that "troublesome" might be, i do not know yet. Looking at ALVR, it seems to not need a lot.

[rustic garnet]

youre not special for working in tech you know that right

[rustic garnet]

you seem to think you're on a different level than literally everyone else

[toxic wasp]

Yeah, im not special, thats why this stuff even works in the first place. It doesn't change that it is possible however.

And im by no means "better", but i do know how to make stuff, even on a low level based thing, like many other developers.

The one thing that is different however, is that unlike most other people, i do not just buy a new thing, no, i make my own adapters, "hacks" and such, to get the old thing working again anyway.

An offtopic example would be a Windows95 compatible Webserver.

[rustic garnet]

dude no offense you should look into an autism diagnosis like genuinely it's not a bad thing i have it too

[toxic wasp]

Most developers would at MOST bother with Windows XP, more likely 7/8/10 though, but i like to challenge myself and go down to the oldest stuff i can manage

[toxic wasp]

I have, came back negative, same for adhd. The suspicion was always there, but all tests have strongly shown that it's not the case. I just dont value my time, and i value old technology too much.

I do however suck at social interactions, so there is that.

On an another note, whats up with people hating on people who try to make older things work with the new stuff?

Anyway.

[toxic wasp]

Bump. I still would like an answer for that, as i still dont have a solution to this.

[weak bluff]

Render resolution is always higher than headset display resolution because image have to compensate image distorted from lens curving the picture

Hence Quest 1 resolution is 1440x1600 per eye but it needs to render at 5408 x 2736 resolution in order to take full res of display

This makes rendering VR always difficult because it has to render extra sharp for less sharp image in the eye

It will render higher res regardless of air link or not

[outer aurora]

Yea people underestimate and misunderstand how demanding vr is

It’s actually insane how many pixels it renders 😭

[little plinth]

Definitely overkill tbh

My pico 4 renders at 5044x2522 and it looks absolutely crisp

[haughty thistle]

There should be an option for resolution in the desktop Oculus app. Should be under devices when you click on your quest in the sidesheet...

[toxic wasp]

So its essentially rendering at a higher resolution to have a better approximation of the pixel the lens should show to counteract lens distortion, okay.. funnly enough, using the alvr settings i mentioned, i seem to get a better, clearer picture, than using oculus's airlink settings, which technically should render at a higher resolution..

Although, wouldn't it be smarter if the game's "camera" compensate for the lens distortion and render the pixels in the direction that the lens would distort them to?

[toxic wasp]

Whats funny, is that the default 1x settings from the oculus app, show roughly 3200x2000 or something along the lines of that (i dont have the accurate values in my head right now, but its way less than 5000)

[toxic wasp]

Yes, i did find that, but the lowest it goes to is "1x" and it shows a resolution thats bigger than the internal screen resolution

I personally would like to render and transmit at EXACTLY screen resolution, due to performance reasons

Which i can achive via ALVR, but not airlink for some reason

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, because of necessary rendering overhead. For one you do need to render extra to account for resolution loss in the lens distortion correction, plus because it's a Quest it has to render some extra on top so that when you move your head to fast you don't immidiatly see a black bar at the edge...

[toxic wasp]

And from what i could tell, the middle still looked more than sharp enough, perhaps the edges a little bit more blurry, but they are blurry even in the normal quest home thingy

[haughty thistle]

Every headset renders a higher res then what the physical panels have. Lens correction accomodation usually requires about 1.4x the res in both horizontal and vertical res. And again, some extra on top for the quest to account for the encoding/transfer latency

[toxic wasp]

I have yet to see a black bars at the edges via ALVR or Airlink, unless i get low FPS in a game/have the mbit/s set too high for my network to handle.. i dont know why it is like that.

[haughty thistle]

If you'd do that then you'd have a much more mushy image because A. encoding looses a significant amount of image quality and B. as said before you loose about 40% of resolution just from the distortion correction

[haughty thistle]

Because both ALVR and AirLink will always add those extra pixels. If you set a lower render res it will scale both down. Meaning if you render say 2000 pixels at 1x then say 100 pixels at each edge is designated for the latency correction. If you then scale the render res down to 1000 pixels, it will still force 50 pixels at each edge for this correction, just blown up to the same virtual size...

[toxic wasp]

Well apparently i dont notice any difference of that.. not to mention the distorion is there anyway, so i might aswell turn that off if i could (i don't even look at the edges of the screen, anything gets blurry there, even in standalone mode)

[haughty thistle]

Matter of fact is, 1x render res, even if higher then the panel res, is what is needed to be rendered for native panel res on device

This is true for every headset, the Quest and other standalone headsets just need to add a bit extra on top, becuase they aren't PCVR headsets. Just a hack-job

If you don't like that, then go ahead and build your own VR headset

[toxic wasp]

Yes 1x render res per eye, so two "windows" of 1400x1600 pixels should be enough (plus minus a few pixels for having a buffer, which is obvious)

[haughty thistle]

Again, you loos about 40% of pixels from the lens correction

You don't wanna use a headset without lens correction

If you don't believe me, go ahead and try a Rift DK1 or a Varjo Aero with VB 3.4. Those have no lens correction going on afaik

[toxic wasp]

Why does the headset do the lens correction, and not the games rendering engine? Like it might aswell just render the correct pixels to begin with, no?

And i mean not by just rendering overly large images and then "bending" them

[haughty thistle]

Because of how complex the lens correction is and very dependent on the headset, it's much easier to do it as a shader in the compositor pipeline

[toxic wasp]

Just shoot the "ray" (if we use raytraceing terms) in the right direction-

[haughty thistle]

Trying to change that now would make newer devices completely incompatible with any existing game

[toxic wasp]

Ah, so essentially developers being lazy

[haughty thistle]

Nope

[toxic wasp]

And backwards compatibility

[haughty thistle]

You'd have to rework the entire renderpipeline not just on the game engine, but the GPUs themselves for what you proposed to work

[toxic wasp]

Although backwards compatibility could be held by "if no lens geometry is provided by the headset, assume that the headset will correct on its own"

[haughty thistle]

Rasterization isn't fully raycasting

[toxic wasp]

Yes, ofcourse, but couldn't you just shoot multiple smaller resolution cameras and align them as a grid?

[haughty thistle]

If you'd want to do what you proposed today, you'd have to run the game fully raytraced. Goodluck getting that to work at a playable framerate

[toxic wasp]

That would take away a bunch of overhead

Okay, anyway.. mind answering one last question?

How does ALVR at the lower resolution (where i apparently loose 40% of pixels to lens correction), look better than 1x Airlink?

[weak bluff]

you may have placebo effect or ALVR is not showing render res

[toxic wasp]

Like im genuinely curious

[haughty thistle]

That's basically raytracing already bruv

[toxic wasp]

No, thats 9 cameras going at 520x520 going per eye, instead of 1 camera going at 1560x1560?

[toxic wasp]

Youd need to do way less lens correction that way

[haughty thistle]

Where's the bloody difference? It still has to do full ray tracing for every pixel in the image

[toxic wasp]

No im talking about rasterisation

Take a normal vr headset, and instead telling the pc to render 2 eyes

Render 18 eyes

At a really low resolution

Piece them together at the correct angles for the lens

And send em to the headset as 2 eyes

[haughty thistle]

Doing the rendering distortion with rasterization requires a heck of a lot of changes to the rendering pipeline. It'd require a complete rework of existing engines

It's just not feasable

[toxic wasp]

So developer lazyness. Cus you just said it would technically be possible

Even if it requires a own engine

[haughty thistle]

Maybe technically but good luck building something flexible enough to cover every possible lens shape

[toxic wasp]

Ok, thank you.

[weak bluff]

you cant blame developer laziness even when its possible it should not be done at least not today

[toxic wasp]

Thats all i wanted to know

[weak bluff]

it can be possible but it does not directly means its developer laziness

[haughty thistle]

The effort in relation to the performance benefit is just way too high. Plus, it's not even proven if that effort would even be worth it

[toxic wasp]

I mean i gain like 40% of fps if i render at a lower total resolution aka no lens distortion correction.. i think thats pretty major.

[haughty thistle]

A shader is dead simple to write and compute. Having to rework the engine to change effectively the PoV and FoV of every single pixel could very well pull the GPU out of it's heavilky parallelized compute scheme into a serial one leaving you with even worse performance then you started

Just because some things can be done, doesn't mean it makes sense to do so

The shader approach has another benefit, not just makes it porting flat games to VR much more simple, it also makes development of hardware more easy

It removes the consideration of hardware from the game dev and put's it on the hardware dev as it should be

[toxic wasp]

Why would it be serialized by rendering multiple windows/eyes at once? You can run 1 game at 4k ez, just like you can run the same game 4 times at 1080p ez (ignoring cpu load and vram stuff due to running a singular game 4 times a lot if sandboxing would happen)

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but that game doesn't have to render a bazillion viewports, each a pixel in size...

[toxic wasp]

Honestly, if the protocol that would handle lens distorion is even remotely smart, it would tell the game where to place what camera.

[haughty thistle]

Lens distortion correction schemes are very complex. A lens has a complex shape. Effectively every pixel has to have a different perspective on the game. Plus it doesn't even adress CA, which has been solved in shaders for ages now...

[toxic wasp]

No, not a bazillion, thats too many. Like said, 9 cameras per eye at something like 400x400 pixels per camera is enough to make lens distortion unnessesary, and if its still nessesary, it would loose you less pixels in general.

[haughty thistle]

I think you greatly underestimate how complex the distortion shapes are for modern VR lenses...

Like I said, basically every pixel has to have it's own perspective

[toxic wasp]

You can still apply that lens correction thing ontop of the pieced together thing, or atleast a modified version, to fix the full image. But due to that the distorion is already slightly fixed, the pixels wouldn't just disappear due to being stretched and squished.

You wouldn't loose 40% of pixels, just 25% or something.

[haughty thistle]

Part of the overhead is needed because the blue channel is scaled up and the red one is scaled down lol

[toxic wasp]

To go back to the very first question, Is there a way to tell airlink to render at a lower resolution than 1x?

[weak bluff]

yes actually

[toxic wasp]

Or is telling steamvr to render the game at a procentage the only way?

[haughty thistle]

There is the Oculus Debug tool, but I'm not sure if it's overwritten by the UI these days

[weak bluff]

its in oculus software or meta pc software whatever its called now

[toxic wasp]

Oculus Debug Tool involved?

[weak bluff]

i believe you can do that in the software you use for air link

[toxic wasp]

The oculus app?

[weak bluff]

yeah

[toxic wasp]

That wont let me go lower than 1x, only higher

[weak bluff]

then it may auto detect based on your pc capability

[toxic wasp]

Yeah, 1x is at the very left for me

I cant seemingly go lower than that

Ill try to put a screenshot into here once im at my PC

[weak bluff]

then steamvr i guess

altho stream res is same as oculus software

[toxic wasp]

I think i prefer Airlink cus it feels smoother in the sense of tracking? But ALVR plays smoother, but tracks slightly more stuttery

[toxic wasp]

Hm.. i guess ill try that again.. last time it seemingly did nothing, even at 40% resolution scale

Not even sure if it changed the appearance or frames

Well either way, thanks for the explanations and for the help, i appreciate it

[weak bluff]

lots of things differ in VR from flat screen

the basics of lens distortion solution commonly used today https://smus.com/vr-lens-distortion/

[haughty thistle]

Ah. Might be a Quest 1 thing. Iirc AirLink on the Quest 1 doesn't actually run at native res lol

That'd be 1.1x, which incidentally is also the highest value

[toxic wasp]

Well ig ill use ALVR.. its gonna likely be supported for longer for quest 1 anyway, and supports openxr..

I don't mind more control

[haughty thistle]

Btw. these methods assume the most basic type of lens distortion. But modern VR lenses (especially pancake lenses, but also fresnell and aspheric lenses) have more complex distortion patterns

[toxic wasp]

Moderns VR lenses are from what device?

Aka does the q1 count?

[haughty thistle]

Yup

Basically everything from the CV1/OG Vive and onwards

[velvet star]

yo anyone wana be on my Podcast?

[vestal pewter]

I think I have started to adjust to motion in VR even though I haven't played many motion-heavy games lately. I booted up Population: One for the second time ever and started a solo Battle Royale and could play through the entire ~10min and only felt dizzy enough to want to quit afterwards but way less dizzy than I would have felt a few weeks ago

[dull tide]

My first real VR game was HLA so I felt that eased me into it. Lasted 2-3 hours after some practice. A fan really helps

[pliant leaf]

How long does it take for meta to accept my return request I bought a game a couple hours ago played for 15 min and submitted a return

[sullen linden]

It was fun while it lasted

[pliant leaf]

Rip

Sadly even the quest 2 is on its way out the door now

[devout trail]

Definitely not…..still sold on meta and in stores and probabaly still the best entry option out there.

[pliant leaf]

yes but they are already not releasing games for it

it definitely still has life in it tho

[devout trail]

It’s nowhere near its end of life yet. What games aren’t releasing for it?

[pliant leaf]

Hitman 3 vr reloaded, Batman arkam shadows

[devout trail]

They’ve even said support will still be around for years after it stops being sold.